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AMystic3434
22nd November 2013, 00:24
I am shocked

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/21/sylvia-browne_n_4317470.html

Tesseract
22nd November 2013, 01:17
Incredible piece of character assassination, that article.

Snookie
22nd November 2013, 01:38
I'm not familiar with her. Are there any well known predictions she made that did come true?

Earth Angel
22nd November 2013, 02:39
this is so weird, just yesterday out of the blue I was thinking about her and how she had been kind of heartless on Montel telling parents ' she's dead honey' and how often she was proven wrong. .....she didn't come across as having much warmth I found when delivering such heartbreaking news.....and now I read today that she died yesterday !! and as the article says her legacy is riddled with false predictions ! maybe I will be the new Sylvia Browne!

Kalamos
22nd November 2013, 02:44
..........

conk
22nd November 2013, 17:04
... God rest her soul.

And forgive her for being a fraud and liar.

transiten
22nd November 2013, 18:34
I took a mediuimship course and wrote a reiew of her book "The other side and back" where i was extremely critical towards her fundamentalist view on her mother as a dark entity who would always "leave from this earth out the left door" in an endless loop reincarnating as a dark entity never evolving to the love of God-pages 236-37. Talking about unresolved childhood issues, she should have seen an empathic psychotherapist or maybe another empathic psychic...

Roisin
2nd December 2013, 16:23
... God rest her soul.

And forgive her for being a fraud and liar.

She would not have become famous if she was not good at what she does.... believe me, if she continuously made bloops like that one time when telling that mother that her kidnapped daughter was dead when she, in fact, was still alive, over and over again right from the get-go, no one would know who Sylvia Browne is today. That kidnapped woman was, most of the time, chained to a dungeon wall for 8 long years. When someone is in that position, the only way they can psychologically survive something like that is by "going somewhere else" in their mind hence why Sylvia was probably picking up her vibes as floating somewhere out there in the astral realm... that's why she was picking up that she was dead. For that young woman, being chained to that wall resulted in her "going out of her body" to survive it. So is it surprising that Sylvia said she had died? No, not really. Not in this particular case.

At any rate, when it comes to psychic stuff, it's a hit and miss game and making wrong calls just comes with the territory. It's the nature of the beast. But rest assured, there are some out there who are much better at targeting in on things and "getting it right" than others who claim to have the same abilities. And it's those ones who eventually become known to the greater public and Sylvia Browne was one of them. Unlike most of those who claim they have psychic abilities, Sylvia Browne put herself on the line and continuously demonstrated her abilities in public venues. She didn't just go around telling everybody that she had abilities in this area ... and then expect everybody to just take her word on it and leave it at that. Instead she continuously did public demonstrations to lend proof to the fact that she had them. I myself have always admired her for doing that and when she was confronted on things she was wrong about... she always owned up to them. She was never afraid of being wrong about something because if that were the case, she would not have been out in public like she was all the time doing demonstrations in the first place!

She never had it easy though and part of that had to do with her age and that she was not exactly easy on the eyes. She also had that deep sort of gravely voice too but her saving grace was her sense of humor that would pop up every now and then when she was on the Montel Show. I for one will miss her. RIP Sylvia Browne! You gave it your ALL and at the end of the day, that's ALL that matters!

Carmody
2nd December 2013, 17:49
Agreed.

for the rest, raining disdain down on her...Do not judge psychic sensitivity so harshly. If you don't know it, how to be it, how to live it, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, or how it works. to speak so strongly, in a position of authority, when you really don't know squat.

It is very much a "can't tell you of the matrix, you must be and see the matrix", to 'get it' situations.

I have no negative or positive things to say here, I'm neutral. To see the derision being so positive and full of itself, from outside a place of knowing - that is of concern. For all of us.

conk
2nd December 2013, 18:51
Agreed.

for the rest, raining disdain down on her...Do not judge psychic sensitivity so harshly. If you don't know it, how to be it, how to live it, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about, or how it works. to speak so strongly, in a position of authority, when you really don't know squat.

It is very much a "can't tell you of the matrix, you must be and see the matrix", to 'get it' situations.

I have no negative or positive things to say here, I'm neutral. To see the derision being so positive and full of itself, from outside a place of knowing - that is of concern. For all of us.

I'm certainly not judging psychic's harshly. One of my dearest friends was a psychic for the police department. She was amazing. My ex-wife was an incredible psychic and OBE expert. My child has experiences that would curdle your shorts. I'm not talking out of my azz. I sort of know "what the hell I'm talking about"

lunaflare
2nd December 2013, 19:02
We all have psychic and intuitive sensibilities. Sylvia Brown found her place with the general public- right place, right time, so to speak. Many say she simply made money from her talents. Many say she gave hope, healing and ultimately some peace regarding their death and loss. This is the way it rolls in the world. She wrote many books and inspired and assisted many in the oft times debilitating process we call grief. At least she made the "Otherworld" topical...
she played her part.

Carmody
3rd December 2013, 17:45
We all have psychic and intuitive sensibilities. Sylvia Brown found her place with the general public- right place, right time, so to speak. Many say she simply made money from her talents. Many say she gave hope, healing and ultimately some peace regarding their death and loss. This is the way it rolls in the world. She wrote many books and inspired and assisted many in the oft times debilitating process we call grief. At least she made the "Otherworld" topical...
she played her part.

That is my point. For all the derision thrown at her, she did humanity a service. to deal with the subject, in the public eye.

For example, this Illuminati-kardashian thing. Say what you will, but in such a off balance environment, the initial forays of the topic, into the public eye, are naturally .....not going to be perfect. They will be as flawed as the environment that the subject touched upon, resides within.

In the environment of the public eye, and that mindstate, her presence was just about all that can/could be managed (potential for happenstance).

IMO, do not imagine that something more directed, pure, and real would emerge in that public world,as it did not. It simply did not, for all the chances and opportunities that exist now and in the past...it did not. No other 'psychic superstar' emerged, that was more real, more centered.

Many others emerged but did not gain audience that she did (and her pile of published books). The mental state of the public eye would not allow for that.

If you think about it, such people as she was raise the alarm in people's minds, to open them to the ideas... and then it is up to others to capitalize on that 'emergent awareness'.

johnf
3rd December 2013, 22:23
That is my point. For all the derision thrown at her, she did humanity a service. to deal with the subject, in the public eye.

For example, this Illuminati-kardashian thing. Say what you will, but in such a off balance environment, the initial forays of the topic, into the public eye, are naturally .....not going to be perfect. They will be as flawed as the environment that the subject touched upon, resides within.

In the environment of the public eye, and that mindstate, her presence was just about all that can/could be managed (potential for happenstance).



The world recieves teachers that it is ready for.
I think that Slyvia was an example of an early wave that gravitated towards the material.
Time marches on and the lowest common denominator is both less ready, and more ready for real truth, and real growth.

More shall be revealed, at least to those that cultivate open hearts and minds.

jf

sigma6
4th December 2013, 06:30
Her ex-husband believes she is a fraud as well, having been married to her from 1959 until 1972:

"It's difficult to get involved with her, I try to get her out of my mind as much as possible, but the evil that she spews out there, and the damage she does to people - unsuspecting people that are in crisis situations - is just atrocious."

Gary Dufresne, Browne's former husband of 13 years http://stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/in ... snes.shtml

Predictions

Although Browne has made many public predictions, scientific skeptic James Randi says her accuracy rate has been no better than educated guessing. Among her claims were:

That Bill Clinton was falsely accused in the Lewinsky scandal – proved incorrect.
That Bill Bradley would win the 2000 U.S. presidential election with the Reform Party coming in second – he did not and they did not.
The "hiding in caves" of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein – Hussein was found in a "spider hole" in the ground near Tikrit and Osama bin Laden was hiding in a mansion in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
The death of bin Laden – later revealed by the Central Intelligence Agency, and later by his 2011 killing, to be incorrect.
[actually I'd say she got this one right... as per Steve Pieczenik] although she may have never known this...

A guilty verdict in the 2005 child molestation trial of Michael Jackson– Jackson was acquitted of all charges.
The cure and prevention of breast cancer by the end of 1999

Janet McDonald, an author of books for young adults, describes her experience receiving a psychic reading via phone, for which she paid Browne $700. Browne predicted a "really long life" for McDonald, who died of cancer at 53 just over four years later.

On September 3, 2001, Browne stated on Larry King Live that she would accept the James Randi Educational Foundation's $1,000,000 challenge to demonstrate supernatural abilities in a controlled scientific test. James Randi stated in 2007 that Browne had not contacted him and no longer wished to reach him.

A January 2007 episode of Anderson Cooper 360 featured Linda Rossi, Browne's business manager for 35 years, and James Randi. Randi proposed a test where Browne would provide readings for ten sympathetic people, each of whom would then identify their own reading among the ten. Rossi declined on Browne's behalf.

A detailed three-year study of her predictions about missing persons and murder cases, by Ryan Shaffer and Agatha Jadwiszczok for the Skeptical Inquirer, has found that despite her repeated claims to be more than 85% correct, "Browne has not even been mostly correct in a single case." The study's authors collected Browne's televised statements about 115 cases and compared them with newspaper reports that are believed to be factual. They found that in 25 cases where the actual outcome is known, she was completely wrong in every one; and in the rest, where the final outcome is unknown, her predictions could not be substantiated. The study indicates that the media outlets that repeatedly promote Browne's work have no visible concern about whether she is untrustworthy or harms people.

Investigator Joe Nickell believes modern day self-proclaimed mediums like John Edward, Sylvia Browne, Rosemary Altea and James Van Praagh are avoiding the Victorian tradition of dark rooms, spirit handwriting and flying tambourines as these methods risk exposure. They instead use "mental mediumship" tactics like cold reading or gleaning information from sitters beforehand (hot reading). Group readings also improve hits by making general statements with conviction, which will fit at least one person in the audience. Shows are carefully edited before airing to show only apparent hits and to remove anything that does not reflect well on the medium.

(OP's Note: That kind of deflated me and I stopped following John Edward on You Tube and had nearly forgot all about him until Sylvia Browne was brought up. She and John have done shows together in Vegas and Atlantic City for years. I have also heard from sceptics that John uses "spotters" in the audience lines waiting to get in to his show. These people clandestinely mill around recording people's conversations prior to being let into the studio or conference. It's helpful information being fed into the green-room to John. Word on the street is also that he is a very mediocre Ballroom Dancer at best.)

Browne's performance scheduled for Halifax, Nova Scotia, on April 1, 2011 was cancelled "due to unforeseen circumstances." It was later confirmed that she suffered a massive heart attack while in Hawaii on March 21, 2011.

Sago Mine controversy

On January 3, 2006, Browne was a guest on the U.S. radio program Coast to Coast AM with George Noory. At the start of the broadcast it was believed that 12 of 13 miners trapped by the Sago Mine disaster had been found alive. When Noory asked Browne if she had had any psychic premonitions regarding the men — if she had felt "that this was a very gloomy moment and that they might have all died?" she replied, "No, I knew they were going to be found." Later in the program it was revealed that the earlier news reports had been an error, and only one of the men was believed to have survived. At this point, Browne contradicted her earlier statement, stating that "I don't really think there's anybody alive", and, "How crazy for them to report that they were alive when they weren’t!" Browne later argued that she had never specifically stated that the miners would be found alive, only that they would be found, and that she was referring to the bodies of the dead miners being found. In the October 3, 2007 episode of Coast to Coast, Noory identified this incident as the reason he has not invited Browne back to the show.

The Montel Williams Show

Browne was a weekly guest on The Montel Williams Show for many years. In episode known as "Sylvia Wednesdays," she took questions from audience members asking for advice about health, love, and finance, as well as information about deceased or missing loved ones. In 2000, Brill's Content "examined ten recent Montel Williams programs that highlighted Browne's work as a psychic detective (as opposed to her ideas about "the afterlife," for example), spanning 35 cases. In 21, the details were too vague to be verified. Of the remaining 14, law enforcement officials or family members say that Browne had played no useful role."

In 2002, Browne told Gwendolyn Krewson that her daughter Holly, who had been missing for seven years, was living in Hollywood, California and working as an exotic dancer in a nightclub. In 2006, dental records were used to positively identify a body found in 1996 in San Diego, California as that of Holly Krewson.

Browne stated that Ryan Katcher, a nineteen-year-old who disappeared during the night in November 2000 in Illinois, had been murdered and could be found in an iron mine shaft a few miles away from the Katcher home. Katcher was later found in his truck in a pond in Illinois and had died of drowning.

In 1999, Browne told Audrey Sanderford that her six year old granddaughter Opal Jo Jennings had been taken from Tarrant County, Texas to Japan and forced into "slavery" in a town she named as "Kukouro" or "Kukoura". No such town exists in Japan. In August of the same year, Richard Lee Franks was arrested and charged with Jennings' abduction and murder; he was convicted the next year. Jennings' remains were found in December 2003, and autopsy revealed that she had died from trauma to the head within hours of being abducted.

In 2002, Browne told Lynda McClelland's daughters that their mother had been abducted by a man with the initials "MJ" and taken to Orlando, Florida but that she was still alive. McClelland's body was found buried less than two miles from her home in Pennsylvania. The man charged and convicted for the murder was David Repasky, McClelland's son-in-law. He had been present for the reading.

In 2003, Browne claimed that eleven year old Shawn Hornbeck had been abducted by a very tall man with long black dreadlocks and a blue sedan, and that his body could be found near two large, jagged boulders in a wooded area about 20 miles southwest of Richwoods. Her claims led to numerous people calling in with tips regarding possible spottings of the rock formations Browne had mentioned. Hornbeck was found alive four years later, having been abducted by a white man with short brown hair who drove a small white Nissan pickup. Browne told the New York Daily News, "I'm terribly sorry that this happened, but I think my body of work stands by itself. I've broken case after case... I think it's cruel to jump on this one case in which I was wrong."

In 2006, Browne told the fiancée of murder victim Robert Hayes that he had been robbed by a man at a casino for his poker winnings and that there was video evidence. However, police later revealed that Hayes was having an affair and was robbed by the woman and three other people in a setup at an ATM. There were no press reports about him going to a casino or playing poker. She predicted the crime would take a "good two years" to resolve, but the case and trial happened within a year of Hayes's death.

In January 2007, Anderson Cooper reported on Browne's 2003 claims and interviewed the Hornbeck parents, Randi, and Browne critic Robert S. Lancaster. Browne declined to be interviewed. Hornbeck’s parents, Pam and Craig Akers, reported that in order to “talk to [Browne] additionally,” they would have had to pay her standard fee. Craig Akers recalled the standard fee as $700 for one hour. Browne’s business manager issued a statement denying that Browne has ever charged a fee for her work on a missing person’s case.

In August 2007 ,the Montel Williams Show was awarded The Truly Terrible Television (TTTV) Award for peddling pseudoscience and superstition to its audience for every episode that has showcased Sylvia Browne. Other winners have been Psychic Detectives, Paranormal State and SciFi's Ghost Hunters.

In June 2008, Ofcom ruled that ITV2 "breached standards with a repeat of the Montel Williams Show in which a 'desperate' couple were told by a psychic their missing son was dead - even though he turned up alive last year." The ruling concerned "breaching rule 2.1 of the Broadcasting Code, which relates to protecting viewers against offensive material."

On December 29, 2009 at the Gibson Amphitheater at Universal Studios Los Angeles, skeptic and mentalist Mark Edward approached the microphone during the question portion of Sylvia Browne's show and said he had been hearing voices in his head, they were giving him the names...Opal Jo Jennings...Terrence Farrell...Holly Krewson and the Sago Miners. Browne could not tell that he was lying and explained that the voices were his spirit guides.

Legal issues and criminal convictions

In 1992, Browne and estranged husband Kenzil Dalzell Brown were indicted on several charges of investment fraud and grand theft. The Superior Court of Santa Clara County, California, found that Browne and her husband had sold securities in a gold-mining venture under false pretenses. In at least one instance, they told a couple that their $20,000 investment was to be used for immediate operating costs. Instead, the money was transferred to an account for their Nirvana Foundation for Psychic Research. Browne pleaded no contest to securities fraud and was indicted on grand larceny in Santa Clara County, California on May 26, 1992. Browne and Brown received one year probation each. Dalzell's disposition included "County Jail 4 months with credit for time served of 21 days," while Sylvia's included 200 hours of community service.

Maia Gabrial
4th December 2013, 18:45
Her books came to me at a time when I needed that knowledge the most. Sad that she's gone.

No psychic is 100% accurate. No exceptions....
The problem with Earth humans is that they ALL have archon implants in them which interfere with their reception. No exceptions.... This should be incentive to get them removed as soon as possible....

Carmody
4th December 2013, 20:00
Browne's performance scheduled for Halifax, Nova Scotia, on April 1, 2011 was cancelled "due to unforeseen circumstances." It was later confirmed that she suffered a massive heart attack while in Hawaii on March 21, 2011.

Still one of the best signs ever:

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