The Guts and the Glory of the Georgia Guidestones

[Bright Garlick]

Thanks to longlegs for reminding me of something I've been wanting to share for a while.

I admire the folks who were behind the Geogia Guidestones !!!

The messages on the stones are in my view wise and come from a place of compassion for the Earth. Note the repetition in the last message. What seems to upset most people is what THEY imply from the first message. But really is that such a bad target ??? It's the how we get there that is really the issue, not the numbers themselves. As for the rest of the messages, I can see nothing to critique.

It is perhaps only fear of what we project onto these messages and their creators, that is of greatest concern to me.

There is a guts and a glory in my eyes in the message and the maker of the stones.

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

6. LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES IN A WORLD COURT

7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE."


http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

http://www.wired.com/images/multimedia/magazine/1705/Wired_May_2009_Georgia_Guidestones.pdf

http://leahandmark.com/blog/2009/06/15/georgia-guidestones/

What we see as evil, must first have passed through the veil of our own projections and our own ignorance !

[Curt]

Hi Bright Garlic,

Who do you feel was behind the writing of the Georgia Guidestones?

Do you feel these guidelines were given to the writer(s) of the guidestones by off-world intelligences?

Thank you.


Thanks to longlegs for reminding me of something I've been wanting to share for a while.

I admire the folks who were behind the Geogia Guidestones !!!

The messages on the stones are in my view wise and come from a place of compassion for the Earth. Note the repetition in the last message. What seems to upset most people is what THEY imply from the first message. But really is that such a bad target ??? It's the how we get there that is really the issue, not the numbers themselves. As for the rest of the messages, I can see nothing to critique.

It is perhaps only fear of what we project onto these messages and their creators, that is of greatest concern to me.

There is a guts and a glory in my eyes in the message and the maker of the stones.

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

6. LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES IN A WORLD COURT

7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE."


http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Message.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

http://www.wired.com/images/multimedia/magazine/1705/Wired_May_2009_Georgia_Guidestones.pdf

http://leahandmark.com/blog/2009/06/15/georgia-guidestones/

What we see as evil, must first have passed through the veil of our own projections and our own ignorance !

[OMG]

I guess the main "evil" thing is what happens to all the other people on earth who aren't included in the 5000,000,000? Something would seriously need to happen to get the population down to that number. Basically, only two things could happen.

1. TIME
2. Some massive calamity, intentional or not (or some Divine or Alien type rapture event)

Also, as a side note:

Who created the guide stones and why the secrecy? Especially if you consider the cost of them as this implies someone or some group with a LOT of money. And those with lots of money now days are often seen as TPTB who only have their own best interest in mind.

A open and wise society frowns upon secrecy when it pertains to social relevance's. This of course doesn't imply the negation of personal rights, freedoms and sovereignty. However, social avenues should be held to accountability with check/balances.

[Eram]

Hi Bright Garlic,

I'd like to argue that it is not the number of humans that creates a problem, but the way these humans live and behave.

If we were to implement other ways of feeding, ways to grow crops, ways to create energy (which are already available at this very moment), ways we govern society, then I see no reason why earth couldn't accommodate 50 billion people or more ans still be in harmony.

[childs hood end]

maybe the stones are not for us... maybe its a guide for the next generations of humanity... maybe were past fixing and the stone builders know this.
:eek:

[Taurean]

I can't help thinking that Fukashima and the BP oil disaster are attempts to destabalise this planet for ALL life forms.

[AriG]

I tend to agree with OMG. These stones are either the creation of one very wealthy Georgian, or a collective endeavor. Whomever is responsible was the beneficiary of the raping and pillaging of the earth and now they have the gall to dictate our choices to offset their exploitation. They made the bed and they want us to lie in it. The guidestones are more PTB dogma. We need to move beyond the dynamic that seeks to control and dictate the direction of the human race. No one entity or special interest has the right to determine how we will continue to evolve.

[Lifebringer]

I have to say I don't agree with the people who did the stones. I say this because you see islands popping up to accommodate populations to come or that are already here. The technology today allows for this expansion and the green trades can correct the shortages of food and water. I don't think the Divine creator has their zest for killing to achieve this number in various nations they deem the population needs to be curbed in. If they weren't so greedy with their million or more acres with only two people living in mansions, there would be plenty of space. How about all the cemeterys that carry the dead for centuries, in ritual burial services, that take land from the living? it's why I thik of cremation instead. When I'm done here, i'm done here and would seek to live on another planet with sanity and no discriminatory properties in their lives. What about all the lab meds with side effects that bring on more disease in other parts of the body for top cost to the patients health, with ONLY profit in mind. I don't think Christ taught that to them, but I have an idea, who has.

Anyway, I agree to disagree, and we all won't know until it's finished.

[guayabal]

I think it is just a scarceness mindset manifesto, with false premises and built to control us... it's the brainwashing machine's main program.

[Aryslan]

Bright Garlic, you are most certianly entitled to your opinion. I highly disagree - most of the worlds problems are due to corruption, greed, and not enough love. I could sit here and argue the finer points all day long, but that would serve no purpose.

[happyuk]

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE"

That's the only message I have a real problem with.

Tell me, how do you reduce a population from 7 billion to 500 million if not through genocide?

Two facts need considering also:

1. the carrying capacity of the planet if far far far more than fearmongers would have you believe.
2. The number of children per family has declined by an astounding amount, even in countries like Bangladesh, and continues to decline.

What we see now is the inevitable increase in the number of adults which will also eventually undergo a similar stabilization.

[Hervé]

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE"

That's the only message I have a real problem with.

Tell me, how do you reduce a population from 7 billion to 500 million if not through genocide?

[...]

I don't know why but, for some reasons, individuals who read that statement keep missing the implication it contains:

"MAINTAIN... UNDER... XYZ..." basically it implies never to let the population go over that number... which means that the original left-over population grows from far below that limit number... that is, far below 500 millions!



What bugs me with the first guideline (Maintain humanity under 500,000,000....) is that it indicates a repopulation to be maintained below that number... that means the starting number could very well be 0 (zero -- implying a new seeding from elsewhere) or a few 1000s or may be a few millions but, in any case, from somewhere below 500 millions.

That's a total wipe out!

Yet, there is the assumption that the remaining people or new incoming ones would be able to read/decipher those inscriptions... unless it's to be used as some sort of Rosetta Stone by future archeologists as a starting point to unravel a fossilized Vatican library?

The other interesting thing is it doesn't advocate the interbreeding dear to the aristocratic or religious bloodlines, to the contrary.... And the rest of it is actually in the face of the current NWO advocates and their agenda: seen any evidence of just courts lately? Useful officials? Promotion of truth? Etc.

[happyuk]

Amzer
Good point! I'd not thought of it in that way.

[Orobo]

Hi all,

Wow, strong sentiments all over the webs about these stones.

I haven´t seen the possibility mentioned that by bringing the world together as one, spiritual growth/awakening-wise, the collective decision could be made to let the numbers of inhabitants go down.
By choice. Let people live their lives and die at the end of it.

As the awakening to a higher conscience nullifies the impacts of religion, and thereby the woman-as-a-hatching machine directive...As does the end of poverty that will be a reality by then ( the lots of children as a pension idea ends for sure).

No genocide necessary.

No one seems to know the source for the stones, so no one can judge. All is projection/fear/fill in your other void motivation-based.

There´s also good folk with money. The stones could be a bold statement by them. Who knows.

Maybe suspended judgement is an idea?

It is even not sure how many people this ball is holding at the moment. Or is it?

Love, O.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

The entire world population could fit in the state of Texas and it’d only have the population density of New York City!

People freak out all the time about how we’re overpopulating Earth and we’re all going to die, because we can’t sustain ourselves. There isn’t enough land to produce enough food to sustain us, let alone have any space to move around at all. There are 6.8 billion people on Earth. Calculations show that if we wanted to make everyone in Earth live on a space that had the same population density as New York City, we could fit everyone in about 666,265 square kilometers, which is less than the size of Texas!

So, every man, woman, and child could fit pretty comfortably within the perimeter of the state of Texas. Not only does that leave the other 49 United States open, but it leaves all the other countries clear and open, too. So, it is pretty safe to say that we have enough space, the entire world except Texas, to farm and ranch for our food supply.

Would water be a problem, though? It's calculated that we need 350 billion liters of water per day to properly hydrate 6.8 billion people. It seems like a lot, but the Columbia River alone could produce that amount in less than a day. By the way, the Columbia River is the U.S.’s fourth largest river. So, again, that leaves the rest of the world’s water supply open and ready to serve. So, we’re not really overpopulated. We just need to be better at managing our resources.

Read more at http://www.omg-facts.com/Interesting/The-Entire-World-Population-Could-Fit-In/55348#EVyp4D6gkxLE9eS4.99..........

[Gardener]

Good thought che, much like Gurdjieff wrote his book 'Beelzabub's Tales to his Grandson' (us).

maybe the stones are not for us... maybe its a guide for the next generations of humanity... maybe were past fixing and the stone builders know this.
:eek:

[Wookie]

I find it hard to take any advice from anyone/thing that can't come up with a way to accommodate more than 1/16th of the current population. Rather than give up the modern amenities, get rid of most of the people? Seems reasonable, most of them don't have anything anyway what are they going to miss if wiped out?

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[AriG]

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE"

That's the only message I have a real problem with.

Tell me, how do you reduce a population from 7 billion to 500 million if not through genocide?

Two facts need considering also:

1. the carrying capacity of the planet if far far far more than fearmongers would have you believe.
2. The number of children per family has declined by an astounding amount, even in countries like Bangladesh, and continues to decline.

What we see now is the inevitable increase in the number of adults which will also eventually undergo a similar stabilization.

Ha! This reminds me of a recent conversation my husband and I had at a dinner party. One couple is ex-military. The husband started banging on about population control and my husband piped up, quite loudly, in front of about 20 other couples with ..... " Sounds good XXX, so when are you going to kill yourself ?"

[AriG]

Hi all,

Wow, strong sentiments all over the webs about these stones.

I haven´t seen the possibility mentioned that by bringing the world together as one, spiritual growth/awakening-wise, the collective decision could be made to let the numbers of inhabitants go down.
By choice. Let people live their lives and die at the end of it.

As the awakening to a higher conscience nullifies the impacts of religion, and thereby the woman-as-a-hatching machine directive...As does the end of poverty that will be a reality by then ( the lots of children as a pension idea ends for sure).

No genocide necessary.

No one seems to know the source for the stones, so no one can judge. All is projection/fear/fill in your other void motivation-based.

There´s also good folk with money. The stones could be a bold statement by them. Who knows.

Maybe suspended judgement is an idea?

It is even not sure how many people this ball is holding at the moment. Or is it?

Love, O.

Well, I have to disagree with you O. Those guidestones were erected to incite strong emotional responses, with the presumption that the stone's commissioner has the right to dictate the future of the planet. Yes, there are plenty of good folks with deep pockets, but a truly good philanthropist wouldn't sink to terroristic threatening. IMHO of course.

[seehas]

i dont understand why most people interprete something evil into the guidstones? guys please dont jump on every feartrain there is...

an elite insider that knew about a "bad timeline" for planet earth, could have build them to help the few surviving humans on this planet to be informed how not to do the same mistakes again.

a message written into stone can be decoded even after thousand of years, microchips, harddrives and books will be gone long before that.

[seehas]

maybe the stones are not for us... maybe its a guide for the next generations of humanity... maybe were past fixing and the stone builders know this.
:eek:

so lets hope the masses will be able to read this message, since most of the messages our ancesters tried to leave behind got removed by our shadow goverment.

[AriG]

Most people interpret the Georgia Guidestones as evil because...... they were erected recently and are asking humanity to hold population to a figure that is unattainable with over 7B world population and counting. The only way that directive could be followed is to either cull the existing population, wage war, cause environmental disaster resulting in mass death toll, induce a plague, or sterilize 90% of the world's population within reproductive age. With the advent of life elongating technologies, the only solution is the continued rape of the planet or the murder of billions of people on earth.

The message isn't evil, necessarily. The ACTION steps required to achieve the mandate is what is evil.

If the AHOLE who erected the Guidestones had a modicum of intelligence, he/she/it/they would have provided a timeline for achieving their idea of nirvana versus their dictate. As it "stands", this symbol of elitism poses a threat to anyone with a conscience, a soul, the capacity to love one's brethren, or a desire to make a difference in this convoluted chaos.

[sigma6]

I tend to agree with OMG. These stones are either the creation of one very wealthy Georgian, or a collective endeavor. Whomever is responsible was the beneficiary of the raping and pillaging of the earth and now they have the gall to dictate our choices to offset their exploitation. They made the bed and they want us to lie in it. The guidestones are more PTB dogma. We need to move beyond the dynamic that seeks to control and dictate the direction of the human race. No one entity or special interest has the right to determine how we will continue to evolve.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you... Bless you... your mind is capable of seeing the situation in its entirety, and caught the subtle undertones... And Eram is right too, we don't have to rape the earth and spew billions of tons of toxic waste into the environment, this is done solely for the benefit of a teeny tiny percentage of the population, the same bunch that put those stones... they go by various last names like ... oh say ... Rockefeller, Rothschild, Warburg, and now etc, etc.... Corporations could be structured to recreate what they damage, reseed what they cut and clean their own pollution, at a fraction of the cost of all the money spent on military hardware... everything could be processed in a sustainable fashion IF THEY WANTED TO... and if it was MANDATED... The entire population of the world right now could fit into the State of Texas... And Free Energy could turn the entire planet into a paradise... nothing wrong with those words, but it depends who you put in charge to implement them... the stereotypical schoolbook version of Hitler could be given those 'instructions' ... Have you considered that maybe he was trying to do exactly that... and why there is always a pocket of sympathizers for him, because they were looking at the long term goals of what he was trying to achieve... But there is no doubt what the short term implementation would look like... and that means 90% of the population needs to be buried under the ground to create fertilizer.... any volunteers...

The elites have built up a level of technology using the entire human race as their slaves... in otherwords WE BUILT IT... and now they want to blow off 90% of their staff... isn't that big of them...

[gripreaper]

Here's how I read it.

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

So, since the human genome was manipulated and only two strands of DNA were left active, and the ability to reproduce against nature was engineered into this manipulation so that we could be used as slaves, we are now supposed to reduce down to fewer than 500 million and be in balance with nature?

2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

How do we do this without activating the other 80% of inactive DNA strands which we are indigenous to, and live within nature as the rest of the animals do? Its egregious that we were altered against nature and now some glorious eliteist with a conscience is going to tell us to quit f'king around and get in balance? Fitness and diversity? So, all you lazy bastards need to get busy and do whats right.

3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

Gee, how is it that there are so many dialects, when the original dialect depicted in the hieroglyphs held both hemispheres of the brain in balance, as well as the sound, tone and color of the requisite frequency? Who took this original language and divided it into the many dialects?

4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

This is based on the premise that human nature is fundamentally out of control and is aggressive and self aggrandizing. Nothing could be further from the truth if we had not been manipulated, hybridized, and programmed into a paradigm of scarcity and competition. True empaths do not operate within such a paradigm. Choosing reason as the absolute mandate for behavior is fallacious while ignoring the full spectrum abilities of the complete soulful human who is fully integrated and has access to all of the upper Siddhis abilities and is NOT just ruled by the five senses.

5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

This is laughable. Just courts, fairness? The premise is that one human has harmed another and therefore, based on some moralistic relativism, there needs to be adjudication to mete out justice in order to what? Bring the universe back into balance? To properly distribute the resources equitably? To punish the perpetrator and to make whole the victim? Should the court be Common Law, Admiralty, Chancery, Commercial? What kind?

7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

Makes sense, but how does this fit into the alleged paradigm? Can we somehow reduce the number of bureaucrats down to an acceptable amount who will malevolently rule the underclass in an equitable fashion? So we don't need to be told how to mow our lawns? Wrong paradigm still.

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

Oh good, now it’s time to bring in balance in a paradigm of scarcity and control. Good idea. We need to decide who does what in a equitable distribution of labor. Anyone want to scrub those toilets?

9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

Really? Sure am glad someone wrote this down to remind me. I should meditate and sing KumBaYa with my friends.

10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE."

Haha! Yea, all you slaves need to quit screwing up the planet at the elites behest, and quit acquiescing to your own slavery, and competing against each other for scarce resources, killing each other for survival of the fittest, cause the competitiveness to support the global elite and their nefarious agendas is killing nature! You paying off debt by cannibalizing nature is screwing things up! Stop it!

This “guidestone” is the most narcissistic, elitist bunch of bullcrap, in my humble opinion, which has ever been cast in stone. Utter balderdash and propaganda. The very term "guidestone" implies we need to be guided, by someone or something which is of higher authority, probably in some hierarchical pyramid structure who is at the top, who sees all things and has a long term picture view and knows how to control those self aggrandizing corrupt humans!

So, maybe its a good idea to exterminate 6.5 billion of the useless eaters and save the cream of the crop? Then, why not kill um all and develop a new hybrid by manipulating the current DNA and splicing it with aliens, who can breathe air with heavy metals and eat crap food and will just obey without complaining, and who don't like to F'k? The clean genes could always go into hidey holes while the extermination is taking place and emerge with their new hybrid slaves who don't complain.

They forgot to put THAT on their guidestones.

[wolf_rt]

I thought that i was obvious that this has been left for future generations. That is how it is worded. And it seems blindingly obvious that putting a monument up with 'maintain humanity under 500,000,000' is not going to have any impact on the 7 billion people who are being sterilized as we speak...

[Darla Ken Pearce]

The thing about these guide stones ~ the "deal breaker" are items 1 & 2. These two are nothing but a call for genocide and no decent person would sanction such a thing under any circumstance. The 2nd item while less drastic than the first opens the door to selective breeding and would require population control not too different than what has happened today with secret sterilization programs sponsored by the U.N.'s WHO and TPTW (the powers that were).

Let Earth decide how many children she nurtures, there is bounty enough for all. It is the few that hog resources and take more than their fair share that is choking her too death with their endless wars, greed and avarice. The other items on the guide stones pass the smell test and are good things that would benefit the Earth.

There is a certain arrogance and lack of compassion that sets this monument apart. The secrecy factor indicates it didn't come from higher Galactic sources.

[ceetee9]

My problem with the Georgia Guidestones is not only that nearly every statement is an edict of control, but that it was written in secrecy by who knows who, for who knows what actual purpose, and with no details as to how the edicts are to be accomplished and with no way of finding out how the author(s) intended to accomplish these goals—no matter how lofty they may seem on the surface.

Don't forget that the way the controllers control us is by dangling a few truthful and/or reasonable carrots to get us to bite at what they're peddling without paying attention to the garbage and ultimate goal of the control mechanism (law, regulation, statute, etc.) that they wish to put in place. More times than not, we learn about all the negative issues and real intent of these wondrous “rules” after they are enacted.

For example:


1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATUREHow do they propose to do this? Who decides how it is done, by whom, and when? How is it enforced? What happens/happened to the other 6.5 billion people living now? Who determined that 500 million people is the magic number the Earth can sustain in balance with nature and where is the data to support this statement—especially since the Earth has been supporting many times that number for hundreds of years and is supporting 14 times that number currently; albeit not in the manner we'd all like to see.



2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY
Again, who determines how that is done? How is it enforced? If this is just a “guide” what are the ramifications if the “guide” isn't followed, and if it is critical to ensure that edict #1 is achieved (which I think any reasonable person would have to agree it is) what are the penalties for those who don't adhere to it? What is meant by “improving fitness and diversity?” Is this accomplished through genetic engineering?



3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE
Who decides what that “living new language” is? How is it enforced? Are all current languages and cultures discouraged and/or dropped? And exactly how does a language unite humanity? Without question having a common language that everyone spoke would make communication with each other easier and better, but language, in and of itself, has no properties (that I'm aware of) that cause people to think, act and behave in the same manner; much less cause them to “believe in” the same things which, if it did, might actually have a uniting effect.



4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASONNow here we see a clear statement of intent. Our passions, faith, traditions, and “all things” will be “ruled.” That should give all of us a warm and fuzzy. Right? I think we can all ask many pertinent questions as to where, when and how these “rules” will be implemented, what the penalties are for not following the “rules” and who gets to determine and enforce the “rules.”



5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTSAh yes, just like we're being “protected” now with “fair” laws and “just” courts. Even though we haven't managed to achieve this lofty goal in thousands of years, magically, we are led to believe, the new regime, err, gestapo, um, tyrants, I mean, benevolent leaders will guarantee that this will occur. I want to see all the blueprints for this one. How about you?



6. LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES IN A WORLD COURTNow we're getting to the real agenda behind these guidestones, IMO—One World Government control. So when a nation's internal rule(s) don't gel with the World Government (which one would assume you would have to have to have a World Court) does the nation's rule(s) stand or does the World Court step in and “lend them a hand?” This is a joke in my estimation. We already allegedly have “sovereign” nations, but the UN and US (at least) can't seem to keep their fingers out of any nation's pie that doesn't serve their needs or desires. So, again I say, if we can't make this work now, how on Earth are we going to make it work in the future? Oh yeah, by making a sweeping general statement and don't worry about the details.



7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALSYou mean like we've done so far? This statement incorporates two words that succinctly describes its worth—petty and useless. Is anyone beginning to see a pattern here?



8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIESWho determines what our personal rights and social duties are and what the “balance” is? What if we disagree? Again, I want to see the blueprints. While this simple statement (like many of them) may sound reasonable at first glance, but once you start asking even simple questions about the non-existent details; such as who determines what rights and social duties are envisioned or how they are defined and to be enforced and by whom, one begins to see that these are just more controls and manipulations (perhaps stated in more palatable terms) that are to be given a wink and a nod by todays consumers with the implementation details left to those who know what's best for us all. In other words, it's just more of the same crap we've been spoon fed for thousands of years by the powers that be, but just dressed up in a new suit to look different enough for us to go back to sleep safe in the knowledge we will now be treated fairly, justly, and equally. Oh, wait, I haven't seen any statements yet about equality. Hmmm... Maybe I haven't read far enough yet.



9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE
A beautiful statement and I couldn't agree more. Is this one the clinching carrot to get us to bite on the rest of the control statements? If you think about it, wouldn't this one statement be about all that would be needed to create a world where we all live in peace and harmony with each other and nature and with abundance for all—provided, of course, you could get everyone to agree on it and live by it?



10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE.
Again, I couldn't agree more. But is it not the controllers who are the most malignant form of cancer on this planet?

Is it not the controllers who send our children to fight their wars, build their factories and corporations, create the laws that all but they have to live by?

Is it not the controllers who keep us at odds with one another through their manipulative political, educational, and religious institutions?

Is it not the controllers who “allow” us to have some nature preserves to give us the illusion they care about nature and the planet while their corporations and puppet governments pollute the air, water, soil and food supplies and destroy millions of acres of rain forests while they themselves own hundreds, if not thousands, of acres of the most beautiful real estate on the planet?

Is it not the controllers who suck trillions of dollars from their hard working and brainwashed slaves through taxes, energy, medical, pharmaceutical, insurance and telecommunication corporations (to name just a few)?

I'm sorry, but for me the Georgia Guidestones are nothing more than a tip of the hat from those who rule the world and intend on continuing to rule the world long after whatever catastrophic event and/or nefarious means they have up their sleeves to get the population down to a manageable (read: more easily controlled) level. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but, for me at least, the hand writing is on the stones.

[turiya]

Chris Thomas wrote:
The population has been dropping radically.
From a high of around 7.4 billion in 1996, the total world population has, at the start of 2011, dropped to around 3.8 billion and is continuing to fall. Yet, despite a virtual halving of the world's population, most have not noticed and/or even continue to believe that we have a rising population.
Synthesis by Chris Thomas (page 136)

turiya :cool:

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

:suspicious:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

[gripreaper]

Chris Thomas wrote:
The population has been dropping radically.
From a high of around 7.4 billion in 1996, the total world population has, at the start of 2011, dropped to around 3.8 billion and is continuing to fall. Yet, despite a virtual halving of the world's population, most have not noticed and/or even continue to believe that we have a rising population.
Synthesis by Chris Thomas (page 136)

turiya :cool:

Uh, this does not lend credibility to Chris Thomas. How does he figure this to be true?

[wolf_rt]

Uh, this does not lend credibility to Chris Thomas. How does he figure this to be true?

Thats what i thought at first, but how would we know?

[Becky]

The thing about these guide stones ~ the "deal breaker" are items 1 & 2. These two are nothing but a call for genocide and no decent person would sanction such a thing under any circumstance. The 2nd item while less drastic than the first opens the door to selective breeding and would require population control not too different than what has happened today with secret sterilization programs sponsored by the U.N.'s WHO and TPTW (the powers that were).

Let Earth decide how many children she nurtures, there is bounty enough for all. It is the few that hog resources and take more than their fair share that is choking her too death with their endless wars, greed and avarice. The other items on the guide stones pass the smell test and are good things that would benefit the Earth.

There is a certain arrogance and lack of compassion that sets this monument apart. The secrecy factor indicates it didn't come from higher Galactic sources.

I love this comment - I think Mother nature would be a better judge than the 'elite' on how she can support everything/one that lives on/within her.

[Orobo]

Well, I have to disagree with you O. Those guidestones were erected to incite strong emotional responses


with the presumption that the stone's commissioner has the right to dictate the future of the planet.


Yes, there are plenty of good folks with deep pockets, but a truly good philanthropist wouldn't sink to terroristic threatening. IMHO of course.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply.
I see three things that are in yóur head. How do you know this? It does not say this anywhere. No threats, no presumptions.
I understand your reaction, but don´t see these. I see assumptions.

And yes, mother earth can deal with a lot. The 500.000.000 peeps line is not the earth talking here. That doesn´t make it evil or anything.

Curiosity matet with suspended judgement is my tune so far. Fear and assumptions, presumptions etc do not help. ;)

Love O.

[blufire]

I support and agree with Bright Garlick’s statement in his OP.

There is very strong research behind the very distinct possibility that John Lennon is behind the Georgia Guidestones. See these 2 threads:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42567-We-Need-to-Depopulate-the-Earth/page9&highlight=georgia+guidestones

Starting at post #166 by Jorr Lundstrom (who I miss greatly)

. . . . and this thread about the man John Lennon and the Guidestones

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57937-What-do-you-think-of-John-Lennon-s-Imagine&p=659619&highlight=georgia+guidestones#post659619


My personal opinion is the Georgia Guidestones are literally just a ‘guide’ to follow after the earth’s next ELE (extinction level event) and/or as we continue to go through the current 6th mass extinction. We are not and will not be exterminated by the ‘elite’.

We are experiencing currently a ‘natural cull’ by Mother Earth. It is always interesting to me that most feel that when mother earth eliminates or limits the human population that it is somehow a pleasant or beautiful process . . . . which is far from truth.

Think people what the Mother would ‘use’ to reduce a species (humans in this case). Some are a natural result of the current over population and some natural events are cyclical that occur through time.

I will continue my opinion on this thread of mine:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63899-The-New-World-and-Civilization--the-messages-from-my-Contact-as-a-child-

[turiya]

Chris Thomas wrote:
The population has been dropping radically.
From a high of around 7.4 billion in 1996, the total world population has, at the start of 2011, dropped to around 3.8 billion and is continuing to fall. Yet, despite a virtual halving of the world's population, most have not noticed and/or even continue to believe that we have a rising population.
Synthesis by Chris Thomas (page 136)

turiya :cool:

Uh, this does not lend credibility to Chris Thomas. How does he figure this to be true?

Get a grip, reaper...

And you give the gov't & its "official" population figures credibility???
You need a good brainwash, imo., cuz you seem to be forgetting about the incoming carbon taxation scheme? All based on too many people using up too many resources... creating too much CO2

On the contrary, it gives a whole lot of credibility to Chris Thomas. We seen how the government falsifies the "official figures" in many areas, "official" employment figures are a lie, "official" economic inflation figures are lie, "official" global warming figures are a lie, etc. Now why do you believe the "official" government figures on population being other than another lie ???

Chris says he has be born 'hard-wired' connected with the Akashic.
See the thread Update on Human Evolution by Chris Thomas... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas)
From that thread is Post #2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas&p=670207&viewfull=1#post670207), scroll down and Chris Thomas writes:

Along with climate change, we have the myth of a rising population. Official government figures state that the world population is about 7 billion and rising. This is a lie.


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/GMO_CROPS_IN_COMPARISON.png
GMO CROPS IN COMPARISON


The main reason for this lie is so that GM crops need to be grown to feed the world. Apart from the fact that GM crops are increasingly failing and eating them is causing new diseases (Morgellan's disease) in both humans and animals, the real reason is again fear. So let us look at the real figures. Virtually every country has reported a population drop over at least the last ten years.

Western countries are shutting schools due to lack of pupils, in other words, the birth rate is extremely low. Every western country is having to bring in migrant workers just to sustain the current workforce levels. Many eastern European countries are now virtually empty of people as the population has left to work in other countries. Most non-western countries have dropping populations due to famine, wars and mass vaccination programmes.

So how can we have a rising world population?According to the Akashic, the world population peaked at 7.4 billion in 1996. Since then it has been rapidly falling to the point where it is currently between 3.8 and 3.9 billion and it is continuing to drop.

The reason why people are starving in many countries is not too many mouths to feed but too much land has been given over to the growing of crops for bio-fuels, so much so that many countries cannot grow enough food to feed their people – world food prices have risen by an average of 35 percent since the planting of bio fuels began (figures from The Friends of the Earth).

turiya :cool:

[donk]

My problem with the Georgia Guidestones is not only that nearly every statement is an edict of control, but that it was written in secrecy by who knows who, for who knows what actual purpose, and with no details as to how the edicts are to be accomplished and with no way of finding out how the author(s) intended to accomplish these goals—no matter how lofty they may seem on the surface.

Don't forget that the way the controllers control us is by dangling a few truthful and/or reasonable carrots to get us to bite at what they're peddling without paying attention to the garbage and ultimate goal of the control mechanism (law, regulation, statute, etc.) that they wish to put in place. More times than not, we learn about all the negative issues and real intent of these wondrous “rules” after they are enacted.

Agreed, this is the most important point of all of this, I think.

If it was benevolent, it would not be done in the dark. There would be no questions, mystery, speculation ....emotional manipulation.

If the intent was somehow initially benevolent, he/she/they screwed it up by using the most malevolent of methods: darkness, keeping us ignorant

To revere that behavior is to continue the same old story...the biggest reason we have all the problems in the first place: real information, truth, is hidden from us by those who feel they should keep and transmit it as they will, while we remain only worthy of what crumbs they choose to leave us.

"Guts and glory"? Of hiding behind anonymity? I respectfully disagree

[turiya]

In support of Chris Thomas' credibility:
The following article points out the decrease in birthrates, seemingly, across the board, especially with countries like Brazil, India, Mexico, etc...
Add to this, it appears nobody keeps a census/record on death rates.

a cross post from another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65793-How-to-reduce-the-human-population&p=762769&viewfull=1#post762769)...


About That Overpopulation Problem (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html)

Research suggests we may actually face a declining world population in the coming years.
By Jeff Wise

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/130108_FUT_BabiesNursery.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg


The world’s seemingly relentless march toward overpopulation achieved a notable milestone in 2012: Somewhere on the planet, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates, the 7 billionth living person came into existence (http://blogs.census.gov/2011/10/31/the-world-population-at-7-billion/).

Lucky No. 7,000,000,000 probably celebrated his or her birthday sometime in March and added to a population that’s already stressing the planet’s limited supplies of food, energy, and clean water (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2012/04/heat_resistant_seeds_ecological_agriculture_growing_food_after_climate_change_.html). Should this trend continue, as the Los Angeles Times noted in a five-part series (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2012/04/heat_resistant_seeds_ecological_agriculture_growing_food_after_climate_change_.html) marking the occasion, by midcentury, “living conditions are likely to be bleak for much of humanity.”

A somewhat more arcane milestone, meanwhile, generated no media coverage at all: It took humankind 13 years to add its 7 billionth. That’s longer than the 12 years it took to add the 6 billionth—the first time in human history that interval had grown. (The 2 billionth, 3 billionth, 4 billionth, and 5 billionth took 123, 33, 14, and 13 years, respectively.) In other words, the rate of global population growth has slowed. And it’s expected to keep slowing. Indeed, according to experts’ best estimates, the total population of Earth will stop growing within the lifespan of people alive today.
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And then it will fall.

This is a counterintuitive notion in the United States, where we’ve heard often and loudly that world population growth is a perilous and perhaps unavoidable threat to our future as a species. But population decline is a very familiar concept in the rest of the developed world, where fertility has long since fallen far below the 2.1 live births per woman required to maintain population equilibrium. In Germany, the birthrate has sunk to just 1.36 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/21/germany-birthrate-low-falling), worse even than its low-fertility neighbors Spain (1.48) and Italy (1.4). The way things are going, Western Europe as a whole will most likely shrink from 460 million to just 350 million by the end of the century. That’s not so bad compared with Russia and China, each of whose populations could fall by half (http://webarchive.iiasa.ac.at/Research/POP/proj07/index.html?sb=6). As you may not be surprised to learn, the Germans have coined a polysyllabic word for this quandary: Schrumpf-Gesells (http://www.focus.de/kultur/medien/debatte-die-schrumpf-gesellschaft_aid_215090.html)chaft, or “shrinking society.”

American media have largely ignored the issue of population decline for the simple reason that it hasn’t happened here yet. Unlike Europe, the United States has long been the beneficiary of robust immigration. This has helped us not only by directly bolstering the number of people calling the United States home but also by propping up the birthrate, since immigrant women tend to produce far more children than the native-born do.

But both those advantages look to diminish in years to come. A report issued last month by the Pew Research Center found that immigrant births fell (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/11/29/u-s-birth-rate-falls-to-a-record-low-decline-is-greatest-among-immigrants/) from 102 per 1,000 women in 2007 to 87.8 per 1,000 in 2012. That helped bring the overall U.S. birthrate to a mere 64 per 1,000 women—not enough to sustain our current population.

Moreover, the poor, highly fertile countries that once churned out immigrants by the boatload are now experiencing birthrate declines of their own. From 1960 to 2009, Mexico’s fertility rate tumbled (http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/26/opinion/passel-cohn-mexican-immigration/index.html) from 7.3 live births per woman to 2.4, India’s dropped (http://www.un.org/Depts/escap/pop/journal/v10n4dn.htm) from six to 2.5, and Brazil’s fell (http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-12-29/world/35286762_1_fertility-rate-demographic-shift-silva) from 6.15 to 1.9. Even in sub-Saharan Africa, where the average birthrate remains a relatively blistering 4.66, fertility is projected to fall below replacement level (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html) by the 2070s. This change in developing countries will affect not only the U.S. population, of course, but eventually the world’s.

Why is this happening? Scientists who study population dynamics point to a phenomenon called “demographic transition.”

“For hundreds of thousands of years,” explains Warren Sanderson, a professor of economics at Stony Brook University, “in order for humanity to survive things like epidemics and wars and famine, birthrates had to be very high.” Eventually, thanks to technology, death rates started to fall in Europe and in North America, and the population size soared. In time, though, birthrates fell as well, and the population leveled out. The same pattern has repeated in countries around the world. Demographic transition, Sanderson says, “is a shift between two very different long-run states: from high death rates and high birthrates to low death rates and low birthrates.” Not only is the pattern well-documented, it’s well under way: Already, more than half the world’s population is reproducing at below the replacement rate.

If the Germany of today is the rest of the world tomorrow, then the future is going to look a lot different than we thought. Instead of skyrocketing toward uncountable Malthusian multitudes, researchers at Austria’s International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis foresee the global population maxing out at 9 billion some time around 2070. On the bright side, the long-dreaded resource shortage may turn out not to be a problem at all. On the not-so-bright side, the demographic shift toward more retirees and fewer workers could throw the rest of the world into the kind of interminable economic stagnation that Japan is experiencing right now (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opinion/sunday/without-babies-can-japan-survive.html?_r=1&).

And in the long term—on the order of centuries—we could be looking at the literal extinction of humanity.

That might sound like an outrageous claim, but it comes down to simple math. According to a 2008 IIASA report (http://webarchive.iiasa.ac.at/Admin/PUB/Documents/IR-08-022.pdf), if the world stabilizes at a total fertility rate of 1.5—where Europe is today—then by 2200 the global population will fall to half of what it is today. By 2300, it’ll barely scratch 1 billion. (The authors of the report tell me that in the years since the initial publication, some details have changed—Europe’s population is falling faster than was previously anticipated, while Africa’s birthrate is declining more slowly—but the overall outlook is the same.) Extend the trend line, and within a few dozen generations you’re talking about a global population small enough to fit in a nursing home.

It’s far from certain that any of this will come to pass. IIASA’s numbers are based on probabilistic projections, meaning that demographers try to identify the key factors affecting population growth and then try to assess the likelihood that each will occur. The several layers of guesswork magnify potential errors. “We simply don’t know for sure what will be the population size at a certain time in the future,” demographer Wolfgang Lutz told IIASA conference-goers earlier this year. “There are huge uncertainties involved.” Still, it’s worth discussing, because focusing too single-mindedly on the problem of overpopulation could have disastrous consequences—see China’s one-child policy.

One of the most contentious issues is the question of whether birthrates in developed countries will remain low. The United Nation’s most recent forecast (http://esa.un.org/wpp/Other-Information/faq.htm#q6), released in 2010, assumes that low-fertility countries will eventually revert to a birthrate of around 2.0. In that scenario, the world population tops out at about 10 billion (http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jun/14/global-population-10-billion-worry) and stays there. But there’s no reason to believe that that birthrates will behave in that way—no one has every observed an inherent human tendency to have a nice, arithmetically stable 2.1 children per couple. On the contrary, people either tend to have an enormous number of kids (as they did throughout most of human history and still do in the most impoverished, war-torn parts of Africa) or far too few. We know how to dampen excessive population growth—just educate girls. The other problem has proved much more intractable: No one’s figured out how to boost fertility in countries where it has imploded. Singapore has been encouraging parenthood (http://www.forbes.com/sites/currentevents/2012/10/16/warning-bell-for-developed-countries-declining-birth-rates/) for nearly 30 years, with cash incentives of up to $18,000 per child. Its birthrate? A gasping-for-air 1.2. When Sweden started offering parents generous support (http://www.nkmr.org/sv/), the birthrate soared but then fell back again, and after years of fluctuating, it now stands at 1.9 (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/rawdata_2127.txt)—very high for Europe but still below replacement level.

The reason for the implacability of demographic transition can be expressed in one word: education. One of the first things that countries do when they start to develop is educate their young people, including girls. That dramatically improves the size and quality of the workforce. But it also introduces an opportunity cost for having babies. “Women with more schooling tend to have fewer children,” says William Butz, a senior research scholar at IIASA.

In developed countries, childrearing has become a lifestyle option tailored to each couple’s preferences. Maximizing fertility is rarely a priority. My wife and I are a case in point. I’m 46, she’s 39, and we have two toddlers. We waited about as long to have kids as we feasibly could because we were invested in building our careers and, frankly, enjoying all the experiences that those careers let us have. If wanted to pop out another ankle-biter right now, our ageing bodies might just allow us to do so. But we have no intention of trying. As much as we adore our little guys, they’re a lot of work and frighteningly expensive. Most of our friends have just one or two kids, too, and like us they regard the prospect of having three or four kids the way most people look at ultramarathoning or transoceanic sailing—admirable pursuits, but only for the very committed.

That attitude could do for Homo sapiens what that giant asteroid did for the dinosaurs. If humanity is going to sustain itself, then the number of couples deciding to have three or four kids will consistently have to exceed the number opting to raise one or zero. The 2.0 that my wife and I have settled for is a decent effort, but we’re not quite pulling our weight. Are we being selfish? Or merely rational? Our decision is one that I’m sure future generations will judge us on. Assuming there are any.

posted by turiya :cool:

[Delight]

people either tend to have an enormous number of kids (as they did throughout most of human history and still do in the most impoverished, war-torn parts of Africa) or far too few. We know how to dampen excessive population growth—just educate girls. The other problem has proved much more intractable: No one’s figured out how to boost fertility in countries where it has imploded. Singapore has been encouraging parenthood for nearly 30 years, with cash incentives of up to $18,000 per child. Its birthrate? A gasping-for-air 1.2. When Sweden started offering parents generous support, the birthrate soared but then fell back again, and after years of fluctuating, it now stands at 1.9—very high for Europe but still below replacement level.

The reason for the implacability of demographic transition can be expressed in one word: education. One of the first things that countries do when they start to develop is educate their young people, including girls. That dramatically improves the size and quality of the workforce. But it also introduces an opportunity cost for having babies. “Women with more schooling tend to have fewer children,” says William Butz, a senior research scholar at IIASA.

I have been VERY curious for many months about the real population number. We have no way of knowing...(well I am assuming) as we cannot each count the world or even the city populations? Coincidentally, in my personal life, many people have died in the last 5 years. Personally i know very few infants taking their places. I see a re-distributuon of people but I cannot tell if there are fewer number or more?

As to the Georgia Guide Stones (not too far from where I live), it's a very cool mystery and as far as I am concerned, nonthreatening. The stones call for thinking. If I had erected them, I'd be pleased that people notice.

[Carmody]

Here's how I read it.

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

So, since the human genome was manipulated and only two strands of DNA were left active, and the ability to reproduce against nature was engineered into this manipulation so that we could be used as slaves, we are now supposed to reduce down to fewer than 500 million and be in balance with nature?

2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

How do we do this without activating the other 80% of inactive DNA strands which we are indigenous to, and live within nature as the rest of the animals do? Its egregious that we were altered against nature and now some glorious eliteist with a conscience is going to tell us to quit f'king around and get in balance? Fitness and diversity? So, all you lazy bastards need to get busy and do whats right.

3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

Gee, how is it that there are so many dialects, when the original dialect depicted in the hieroglyphs held both hemispheres of the brain in balance, as well as the sound, tone and color of the requisite frequency? Who took this original language and divided it into the many dialects?

4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

This is based on the premise that human nature is fundamentally out of control and is aggressive and self aggrandizing. Nothing could be further from the truth if we had not been manipulated, hybridized, and programmed into a paradigm of scarcity and competition. True empaths do not operate within such a paradigm. Choosing reason as the absolute mandate for behavior is fallacious while ignoring the full spectrum abilities of the complete soulful human who is fully integrated and has access to all of the upper Siddhis abilities and is NOT just ruled by the five senses.

5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

This is laughable. Just courts, fairness? The premise is that one human has harmed another and therefore, based on some moralistic relativism, there needs to be adjudication to mete out justice in order to what? Bring the universe back into balance? To properly distribute the resources equitably? To punish the perpetrator and to make whole the victim? Should the court be Common Law, Admiralty, Chancery, Commercial? What kind?

7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

Makes sense, but how does this fit into the alleged paradigm? Can we somehow reduce the number of bureaucrats down to an acceptable amount who will malevolently rule the underclass in an equitable fashion? So we don't need to be told how to mow our lawns? Wrong paradigm still.

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

Oh good, now it’s time to bring in balance in a paradigm of scarcity and control. Good idea. We need to decide who does what in a equitable distribution of labor. Anyone want to scrub those toilets?

9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

Really? Sure am glad someone wrote this down to remind me. I should meditate and sing KumBaYa with my friends.

10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE."

Haha! Yea, all you slaves need to quit screwing up the planet at the elites behest, and quit acquiescing to your own slavery, and competing against each other for scarce resources, killing each other for survival of the fittest, cause the competitiveness to support the global elite and their nefarious agendas is killing nature! You paying off debt by cannibalizing nature is screwing things up! Stop it!

This “guidestone” is the most narcissistic, elitist bunch of bullcrap, in my humble opinion, which has ever been cast in stone. Utter balderdash and propaganda. The very term "guidestone" implies we need to be guided, by someone or something which is of higher authority, probably in some hierarchical pyramid structure who is at the top, who sees all things and has a long term picture view and knows how to control those self aggrandizing corrupt humans!

So, maybe its a good idea to exterminate 6.5 billion of the useless eaters and save the cream of the crop? Then, why not kill um all and develop a new hybrid by manipulating the current DNA and splicing it with aliens, who can breathe air with heavy metals and eat crap food and will just obey without complaining, and who don't like to F'k? The clean genes could always go into hidey holes while the extermination is taking place and emerge with their new hybrid slaves who don't complain.

They forgot to put THAT on their guidestones.

I hear you Grip.

But.....

Perhaps the message was for them. For the elitists.

To the elitists who are screwing up and screwing over the mass of humanity:

Get it straight, or your presence will be cancelled. down to the last genetic trace.

No more incarnation, no more record, no more chances. You are ****ing done.

Acquiesce in totality, and you'll be lucky of some aspect of who you are remains, in this dimension or the next.

The is no free ride, there is no cheating this, there is no way out.



My posting is getting a bit peckish today... but there are reasons for that.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=767384&viewfull=1#post767384

For the so called elites - the bottom, middle and even the upper echelons, there is no real separation; if there is connection, at all.... responsibility and reflection remains.

[T Smith]

Every directive begins with a verb. Which implies action. Albeit the subject and object of this action are absolutely passive, ambiguous, and at best left to interpretation.

This is the main issue I take with the Georgia Guidestones. Who is the subject? Humanity at large? Or some controlling elite? Perhaps some controlling non-human force? Whom is the object? Are they one and the same? Does the non critical observer simply assume subject and object are one in the same?

This dynamic is very ambiguous. Put another way, who is to effect the action verbs, to maintain, to guide, to unite, to rule, to protect, to let, to avoid, to balance, to prize, to be? Who is to determine what course is even necessary to effect such action? Is this left to subjective interpretation of an ever elusive subject? Which again leads us back to the question, who is the subject?

I don't take issue with the directives by themselves. Who can argue that each one of them is not a noble tenet to help guide our species' to achieve a harmonious and symbiotic relationship with this planet? However, I often marvel how many of these directives might materialize in an organic way given an end to the prohibition of free energy and an abolishment of the yolk of slavery.

[MargueriteBee]

I think depopulation can happen naturally. Out of 12 women who live the closest to me, 11 did not have children, and neither did I.

[gripreaper]

Chris Thomas wrote:
The population has been dropping radically. From a high of around 7.4 billion in 1996, the total world population has, at the start of 2011, dropped to around 3.8 billion and is continuing to fall.


Uh, this does not lend credibility to Chris Thomas. How does he figure this to be true?


Get a grip, reaper... You need a good brainwash, imo. Chris says he has been born 'hard-wired' connected with the Akashic.

Ah, OK. Must have missed how the population dropping in HALF in the last fifteen years or so was due to Chris’ ability to read the Akashic. My bad….:rolleyes:

I should have also noticed how resources are piling up at all the loading docks and shipping channels, and how corporate inventories have quadrupled in the last couple years too. Maybe I should also notice how half the homes in my neighborhood are empty, how all the homeless shelters are empty, and…:eek:


Every western country is having to bring in migrant workers just to sustain the current workforce levels.

Yea, with 350 million people in the US, about 25% of them elderly and another 25% children, that leaves a workforce of 175 million people. Now, since over 91 million eligible workers in the US are NOT working, I guess I can see how one would need to import workers.:noidea:

But the real clincher that did it for me, while I was waiting in line to fill up my car with biofuel, I noticed all the body bags piled up and down the sidewalks in every town.:sarcastic:

Oh, and don’t forget, John Lennon commissioned the Georgia Guidestones…

[ceetee9]

This is the main issue I take with the Georgia Guidestones. Who is the subject? Humanity at large? Or some controlling elite? Perhaps some controlling non-human force? Whom is the object? Are they one and the same? Does the non critical observer simply assume subject and object are one in the same?

This dynamic is very ambiguous. Put another way, who is to effect the action verbs, to maintain, to guide, to unite, to rule, to protect, to let, to avoid, to balance, to prize, to be? Who is to determine what course is even necessary to effect such action? Is this left to subjective interpretation of an ever elusive subject? Which again leads us back to the question, who is the subject?

I don't take issue with the directives by themselves. Who can argue that each one of them is not a noble tenet to help guide our species' to achieve a harmonious and symbiotic relationship with this planet?I can argue with each one of them and I did. This is exactly how we've been controlled for who knows how long. Nobody in their right mind would buy into statements that come outright and tell you you're a slave, incapable of taking care of your own life and, thus, need to be controlled and this is how we're going to do it--at least, I hope no one would. They HAVE to make statements that appear to be benevolent so they can get you to buy into the messages they are putting forth.

As you stated, who is behind the edicts and what is their ultimate goal? Yes, many of the edicts sound good (and are given no explanatory comment as to how they will be achieved), but given the fact that we've always had rulers who, out of the goodness of their enormous heart, would "show us the way" there is no doubt in my mind that this is just more of the same "trust us, we will take care of you" garbage.

IMHO, we have everything we need to take care of ourselves and our families with little to no need for any leaders to "guide" us onto the correct path. And by that statement I don't mean to imply that each of us can do everything that we need to do to survive in a comfortable and easily sustainable way with no help from others--unless, of course, we wish to regress to our Neanderthal days (and even then it would not be easy). But rather what I mean is, if we choose to take responsibility for ourselves and our species (rather than abdicating our responsibilities to "authority figures" like the majority of society has done for centuries) then we have a very good chance at living very comfortably and in peace and harmony with each other and nature. I doubt there are many who would argue that we haven't arrived there yet because we just haven't found the right leader(s) yet to bring us to the "promised land"--at least, no non-religious person would.

No, it would not necessarily be easy to achieve nirvana as it will take a paradigm shift in our thinking to achieve. But that is only because we've been brainwashed to believe in, and adhere to, everything we've been taught since birth (i.e., to be good little slaves, I mean, citizens) so that we may live the "good" life.

I truly feel sorry for those who believe they don't have the intelligence or ability to think and do for themselves. And, for me, this is why we have the world we currently live in. The majority have bought into the programming and are ready, willing and able to believe more in the "authorities" and "experts" then themselves. This is truly sad and our downfall--IMO.

How can we wake these sleeping masses so we can ALL enjoy a peaceful, harmonious, and beautiful world is the $64,000 dollar question. I wish I had the answer.

[Delight]

I admire the folks who were behind the Geogia Guidestones !!!

The messages on the stones are in my view wise and come from a place of compassion for the Earth.
It is perhaps only fear of what we project onto these messages and their creators, that is of greatest concern to me.

There is a guts and a glory in my eyes in the message and the maker of the stones.

"1. MAINTAIN HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE

2. GUIDE REPRODUCTION WISELY - IMPROVING FITNESS AND DIVERSITY

3. UNITE HUMANITY WITH A LIVING NEW LANGUAGE

4. RULE PASSION - FAITH - TRADITION - AND ALL THINGS WITH TEMPERED REASON

5. PROTECT PEOPLE AND NATIONS WITH FAIR LAWS AND JUST COURTS

6. LET ALL NATIONS RULE INTERNALLY RESOLVING EXTERNAL DISPUTES IN A WORLD COURT

7. AVOID PETTY LAWS AND USELESS OFFICIALS

8. BALANCE PERSONAL RIGHTS WITH SOCIAL DUTIES

9. PRIZE TRUTH - BEAUTY - LOVE- SEEKING HARMONY WITH THE INFINITE

10. BE NOT A CANCER ON THE EARTH - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE - LEAVE ROOM FOR NATURE."

What we see as evil, must first have passed through the veil of our own projections and our own ignorance !

I feel love for what you see in the monument.

I want to start with the last guideline about cancer.
cancer is the eternal manifestation of proliferation without purpose. It is what the "archons" represent. That is why i do not see cancer as a fearsome enemy but calls for communication in the body with all the cells so every aspect regains it's "consciousness". To be a cancer is shamed needlessly because it serves to call forth our PRESENCE as aware cooperative members of life.

Then the guide number 9 moves next to speak of ideals. I feel that is what we miss when we see everything as trivialized. I cannot imagine the emptiness of feeling no ideal to draw us forward. We have to take the symbols back, take the meanings of the "words"and make them full for life to thrive....We have to speak the words!!!! We have to act from the ideals because what is in spirit is spoken and acted out in form. make this count and then the rest will follow.

See how everything gets first legalistic then more grounded as it gets formed. If we are immersed in our own purpose creating with I AM, we behave in relationship.

What if I revealed now...the guidestones are the teaching of the ancient Euchee nomads. They were the medicine men and traders who crossed the world with the original teachings in their packs. These words were whispered, sung and danced by the flower warriors.

Imagine yourself sitting between your grandparents. they are teaching you what they learned had been useful. They say" these are the teachings we have to give you. Now you will write the new wise teachings wen you have a grandchild like we have you." These grandparents love you dearly.

The words are inscribed in Elberton georgia in local hard marble. Iimagine the monument was erected by the hoard of treasure the Yuchees left in the North Georgia foothills. Dahlonega gold paid for that marker. It is a modern ancient archeoastronomy site our very own grandparents left to us.

Mysterious it is! overlighted by the ancient ones: Nûñnë'hï or immortals, the "people who live anywhere". The magic is that it is an ethos stone and will reveal our beliefs to our very own mind. The Yuchi swords cutting to the quick of what matters the warriors see will themselves in the ideas.

One will meditate on the ideas and turn one to another and ask questions. They are guides only but were meant as sincere help.

We cannot go wrong if we find our purpose and feel our devotion to our ideals (and Gaia is intimately feeling of us as we feel)It does not matter that the ideas were twisted up. Our innocence was stolen but now we can have a new communication with the world.

[turiya]

Ah, OK. Must have missed how the population dropping in HALF in the last fifteen years or so was due to Chris’ ability to read the Akashic. My bad….
Apology accepted...

http://beta.fool.com/media/images/user_5086/worldpopulation_large.JPG

UN Calls for Population Control as Global Birthrates Decline (http://www.lifenews.com/2011/05/11/un-calls-for-population-control-as-global-birthrates-decline/)
5/11/11

ASIA:
http://advisorperspectives.com/commentaries/images/Capture_532.JPG

THAILAND:
Bearing the consequences of population policy in Thailand (http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2011/12/29/bearing-the-consequences-of-population-policy-in-thailand/)
December 29th, 2011

UKRAINE:
Ukraine's Population in Rapid Decline (http://blog.euromonitor.com/2012/05/ukraines-population-in-rapid-decline.html)
May 11, 2012
http://euromonitor.typepad.com/.a/6a01310f54565d970c0163057165bb970d-pi

JAPAN:
Population suffers biggest annual drop yet (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/08/28/national/population-suffers-biggest-annual-drop-yet/#.Up_7wSdiQwo)
August 28 2013

GERMANY:
Germany Fights Population Drop (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/world/europe/germany-fights-population-drop.html?_r=0)
August 13, 2013

RUSSIA:
http://www.putin-itogi.ru/cp/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/image1.jpeg

SPAIN:
Population drop in Spain a bad omen for Europe (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/population-drop-in-spain-a-bad-omen-for-europe/article11533946/)
Apr. 25 2013

CANADA:
Quebec Census Population Numbers Show Continuing Demographic Decline (http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/04/quebec-population-census-canada_n_1401693.html)
04/ 4/2012

BRITISH COLOMBIA:
School population to drop for 2013/14 (http://www.biv.com/article/20130828/BIV0117/130829934/school-population-to-drop-for-2013-14-academic-year-ministry)
Aug 28, 2013

ROMANIA:
Romania’s population dropped by 539 people in July 2013, a smaller drop than June (http://www.romania-insider.com/romanias-population-decrease-slows-and-consumer-prices-slightly-drop-statistics-show/106248/)
September 11, 2013

BOLIVIA:
Where Have All the Indigenous Gone? Bolivia Sees 20 Percent Drop (http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/tags/population-drop)
8/12/13

INDIA:
India’s plummeting birth rates illustrate the coming population decline (http://ktwop.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/indias-plummeting-birth-rates-illustrate-the-coming-population-decline/)

LATVIA:
Latvia struggles with 'demographic disaster' (http://www.france24.com/en/20120522-latvia-emigration-population-brain-drain-economy)
22/05/2012

BULGARIA:
Bulgaria's Population Declines by 164 People a Day (http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=153666)
September 15, 2013
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ngczZkrw340/TG7V6dM29YI/AAAAAAAARHw/u7o-Xj4e9tI/s1600/bulgaria+population.png

PUERTO RICO:
Puerto Rico's population drops as economy wobbles (Puerto Rico's population drops as economy wobbles)
Sep 10, 2013

ESTONIA:
Estonia's population decline and the supposed accompanying problems (http://news.err.ee/v/society/eb0cf5e3-a0e4-4e4e-94ec-fedeaf70d349)

NEW BRUNSWICK
New Brunswick sees population drop (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-sees-population-drop-by-almost-1-000-1.1869370)

TASMANIA:
State records another population drop (http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/1586016/state-records-another-population-drop/)
DEC 5 2013

U.S.:
White Share of U.S. Population Drops to Historic Low (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-13/white-share-of-u-s-population-drops-to-historic-low.html)

CHINA:
China's working-age population drops in 2012 (http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90778/8099054.html)
January 19, 2013
http://fxcharter.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/c6c2977c73_China-20Pop-202-0.jpg

EUROPE:
Fertility Decline in Western Europe (http://www.pop.org/content/fertility-decline-in-western-europe-1727)

TIME MAGAZINE ARTICLE:
Overcrowding? Nah — the World’s Population May Actually Be Declining (http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/11/overcrowding-nah-the-worlds-population-may-actually-be-declining/#ixzz2mZb3m6wt)
January 11 2013

US HONEY BEE PRODUCING COLONIES:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vInL62774lk/T6PLlN9e9VI/AAAAAAAAANw/1uJ7lX0mqvw/s1600/US_bee_decline1.jpg


ARTICLE SOURCE (https://www.google.com/#q=population+drop&start=0)
IMAGE SOURCE (https://www.google.com/search?q=population+drop&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=KP6fUsTwHMegyAG30ICYAw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1143&bih=681&dpr=0.9#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=4GAaR3jyV3XUoM%3A%3Bq_XTkZ3P7YQJLM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fadvisorperspectives.com%252Fcommentari es%252Fimages%252FCapture_532.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.zerohedge.com%252Fnews%252F2013-04-27%252Fjeremy-grantham-fall-civilizations-and-our-last-best-hope%3B640%3B349)

turiya :cool:

[Rosieposie]

Hehe I think a small, kind and intelligent population with a beautiful planet buzzing with life to explore, nurture, create with and exist with is ideal in my mind. I'm sure the world can hold a large population but personally i detest cities and love the idea of free spirited people with a long life span and a truly abundant life. I don't agree with control agendas and believe everyone should be self empowered with respect to natural laws (like not imposing your will on others) so I am not entirely sure about the tone of the guide stones which sort of implies humans need to be controlled instead of guided to self discovery. But hey they have people thinking as I am sure is the purpose of the thread so that can't be a bad thing!

[OnyxKnight]

I admire the folks who were behind the Geogia Guidestones !!!

You are admiring deluded masonry in that case.

[Kalamos]

..........

[observer]

For the content of turiya's comment #45, please click-on the forwarding icon.

A look at the depopulation chart found at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_decline) closely matches the list of countries you have chosen to cite as examples in your comment supporting Chris Thomas' proclamation of a nearly 50 percent ! drop in global population, turiya.

With just a glance at the Wikipedia Chart, one will see the leading cause of decline in these cited countries is due to shifting populations, i.e. emigration, and low immigration. Low birthrates are also cited in that chart. These conclusions are confirmed by clicking on many of the links which you provided in your comment.

These statistics have nothing to do with declining global population. They are region-sensitive data.

Just a glance at the World Population Clock (http://www.census.gov/popclock/), will clearly indicate an ever-growing population.

It would appear Mr. Thomas' reading comprehension skills are somewhat lacking in his interpretations of these alleged Akashic Records.

[observer]

Since there appear to be some members supporting the idea of population control - eugenics (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics) by any other name - I nominate all those in favor of depopulating the planet as guardians of the "depopulation switch".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVhE3Muh3co

Who gets to choose ?

[OnyxKnight]

I agree with observer. Those who want less population, and support that ridiculous objective - have one kid. Better yet, have no kids. Show how much you want that. Otherwise you'd be just hypocrites with spare time to rant on an idea you do not comprehend.

[thunder24]

I agree with observer. Those who want less population, and support that ridiculous objective - have one kid. Better yet, have no kids. Show how much you want that. Otherwise you'd be just hypocrites with spare time to rant on an idea you do not comprehend.

or they could just quit breathing, to help the rest of us out...

[turiya]

For the content of turiya's comment #45, please click-on the forwarding icon.

A look at the depopulation chart found at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_decline) closely matches the list of countries you have chosen to cite as examples in your comment supporting Chris Thomas' proclamation of a nearly 50 percent ! drop in global population, turiya.

With just a glance at the Wikipedia Chart, one will see the leading cause of decline in these cited countries is due to shifting populations, i.e. emigration, and low immigration. Low birthrates are also cited in that chart. These conclusions are confirmed by clicking on many of the links which you provided in your comment.

These statistics have nothing to do with declining global population. They are region-sensitive data.

Just a glance at the World Population Clock (http://www.census.gov/popclock/), will clearly indicate an ever-growing population.

It would appear Mr. Thomas' reading comprehension skills are somewhat lacking in his interpretations of these alleged Akashic Records.

Thanks for your comment, Observer.
I find it quite amusing when I find so many shout out & lambaste the PTB conspirators for attempting to promote a eugenics (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics) agenda & then turn around and use their very own tools that are used (in this case a computer generated World Population Clock (http://www.census.gov/popclock/)) to brainwash the unthinking public masses to show just how the world is so overpopulated.


In an unconscious state, one will more than likely be acting as an agent of those they are attempting to appear to fight against.

Cheers - turiya

P.S. A Gary Null trailer...

DEATH BY MEDICINE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNDL4M4qC4

[Robin]

This post is directed towards specifically onawah and turiya or anybody else who follow Chris Thomas. I'd love to hear everybody's input on this, however:

I know about the thread on Chris Thomas (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58865-An-Update-On-Our-Evolution-by-Chris-Thomas). I check in on the thread when it is updated out of curiosity and to keep an open mind...though I do not take his words into much consideration as fact. I notice that those who frequently comment in his thread bring his revelations and Akashic readings into other threads...which I welcome and appreciate. But we should be careful.

I just want to reiterate that we all should not reach final conclusions from anybody, but rather look at what they say and see if we can discern anything relevant and apply it to the jigsaw puzzle of truth.

I think that those who read the Akashic records--or claim to read the Akashic records--should be reviewed and analyzed differently from, say, contactees such as Simon Parkes and researchers such as Zecharia Sitchin. I say this because Sitchin transcribed the Sumerian tablets from an objective standpoint, though may have embellished the story too. Simon, and other contactees provide subjective experiences and we must take their word...it can be rather easy to discern whether somebody is fabricating a contactee story, in my opinion.

But the Akashic records...oh my. There are so many people who claim to be able to read the Akashic records...and perhaps they all do! I think the best, most concise definition of the Akashic Records is from this website (http://spiritlibrary.com/spiritual-entities/akashic-records). The Akashic records are...

an energetic imprint of every thought, action, emotion, and experience that has ever occurred in time and space.

Looking at this definition, the Akashic records are everything that was, is, and will be. Quantum physics has a remarkable amount of evidence to suggest that the universe is infinite. There are an infinite amount of timelines an individual can go on, and likewise, humanity can go on.

That being said, lets bring up Chris Thomas and Andrew Bartzis. Chris Thomas claims that Bartzis is incorrect. Well...why can't Chris Thomas be incorrect? Resonating with information does not mean something is true!

To be honest, I think that they can both be right and wrong. And why not? I would assume that tapping into the Akashic records is a very difficult thing to do that may lead to some wrong turns and misunderstanding to those who do not possess the right faculties of the mind to read them.

It could be that:

They are both correct giving the infinity of the universe. Both Chris and Andrew are tapping into the Akashic records and seeing two different timelines of time/space and space/time relating to Earth and humanity.
Both are purposely misguided by entities.
Both are misguided out of naivety.
Both have some parts right and some parts wrong.

To summarize my point, I think that the Akashic records can be read from many angles and directions given the infinite nature of the multi-universe we are part of. It is possibly to tap into different timelines in points of time and space.

Perhaps Chris Thomas is looking at a different timeline than we are currently on now....which may explain his claim that Earth is inhabited by 3-4 billion humans. In this case...he would be incorrect, though unknowingly and justifiably.

:yo:

p.s. I also posted this comment on the thread: How The Anunnaki Prevent Disclosure (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=768130&viewfull=1#post768130)

[OnyxKnight]

One needs to know what timeline he/she is reviewing and commenting on, because if everybody assumes one person being right about their time spent on Akashic Records readings, and then another fella appears with a different story, conflict situations happen. The larger public loses the most for it. Conflicting stories don't help. They just make people less likely to believe any kind of story, and in sense, make desired negative impact on disclosure and awareness.

[Rocky_Shorz]

One needs to know what timeline he/she is reviewing and commenting on, because if everybody assumes one person being right about their time spent on Akashic Records readings, and then another fella appears with a different story, conflict situations happen. The larger public loses the most for it. Conflicting stories don't help. They just make people less likely to believe any kind of story, and in sense, make desired negative impact on disclosure and awareness.

heheh...

sorry dude so many are trying to paint a bleak picture ahead, but maybe it is the brush if positive yang is stronger than the negative, the future looks incredibly bright, and if all I hold is a brush for a brilliant future for this world...

none of they neysayers can paint a picture we can't paint over.

I invite all who have a picture needing repainting, we are the gifted, we paint deserts green when it is important.

We have gathered to change this world, it is time, and it is us...

[OnyxKnight]

I invite all who have a picture needing repainting, we are the gifted, we paint deserts green when it is important.


See, there's this awesome genetically modified bacterium (not the bad GM stuff), that can munch on sand grains and produce humus as a byproduct that an also be used for ...


Nevermind.



I'll save this for some random post in Futuretalk.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so this humus created by sand becomes nutrients so a desert can become a green crop productive area...

I like it...

[OnyxKnight]

so this humus created by sand becomes nutrients so a desert can become a green crop productive area...

I like it...


You got the basic, gist of the idea ;). That could be our "brush".

[Robin]

Chris Thomas wrote:
The population has been dropping radically.
From a high of around 7.4 billion in 1996, the total world population has, at the start of 2011, dropped to around 3.8 billion and is continuing to fall. Yet, despite a virtual halving of the world's population, most have not noticed and/or even continue to believe that we have a rising population.
Synthesis by Chris Thomas (page 136)

turiya :cool:

Hi turiya,

I think that the real population of humans on Earth would be rather difficult to fabricate and keep secret, but I will still keep an open mind about it.

My only issue with Chris Thomas's claim is that he seems to be the only person to make the claim. Conspiracy theories are normally backed by people from different backgrounds who all come to the same conclusion independently. If the theory is not backed up by many people, especially people who specialize in the area of interest, then it should not be stated as fact.

Why have there not been others to make this claim of a smaller human population size? There are tons of scientists, sociologists, and other researchers who specifically tackle issues such as human population. There are even many amateur researchers who look into these matters objectively and report it to the public at large.

Why hasn't anybody else made this claim? Or am I missing something...?

;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

when I was in Phoenix, in front of my home was a small mountain, a burnt hunk of sand and rocks...

it made me sad...

in the spring, while I watched the mountains, the rains came, the wettest year in memory...

the mountain turned green...

I imagined the whole desert as green...

then went back to San Diego and Phoenix toasted...

can the will of change really be that strong? do we really need chemicals to change our environment, if it is something we can do with our will?

why won't the governments pay to have the gifted join them to bring life to deserts?

I guess an Indian rain dance doesn't look good on the books... ;)

[turiya]

This post is directed towards... anybody who follow Chris Thomas. I'd love to hear everybody's input on this, however:


This thread is called The Guts and the Glory of the Georgia Guidestones. It seems to me that this is not the time nor the place to be going off-topic in the direction that you would like. if you want to express an opposing opinion on the matter of the Update on Our Evolution by Chris Thomas thread, then I would say it would be better to create a thread yourself - maybe call it: The Chris Thomas Material - A Contrary View. We could get into it there... such things, for example, as: the Akashic records events, it doesn't predict future events, as you have been misled to believe.

Cheers - turiya :cool:

[OnyxKnight]

It seems to me that this is not the time nor the place to be going off-topic in the direction that you would like.

Sorry, we keep forgetting only you hold that privilege :). Fortunate that we have you here to remind us from time to time that we forget our place.


if you want to express an opposing opinion on the matter of the Update on Our Evolution by Chris Thomas thread

As far as I can see, and Sam can correct me if I'm wrong - He made a comparison between Chris Tomas' claims of current world population of 3-4 billion people and the topic at hand, which also deals with the overpopulation problem/solution stigma the Georgia Guidestones hold. If the correlation escaped you maybe you could reread the post again rather than accuse Sam for off topic discussion.

I know evasion tactics when I see them :). If you don't want to answer, just say so, no small kitties are gonna die :loco: .

[Robin]

This post is directed towards... anybody who follow Chris Thomas. I'd love to hear everybody's input on this, however:


This thread is called The Guts and the Glory of the Georgia Guidestones. It seems to me that this is not the time nor the place to be going off-topic in the direction that you would like. if you want to express an opposing opinion on the matter of the Update on Our Evolution by Chris Thomas thread, then I would say it would be better to create a thread yourself - maybe call it: The Chris Thomas Material - A Contrary View. We could get into it there... such things, for example, as: the Akashic records events, it doesn't predict future events, as you have been misled to believe.

Cheers - turiya :cool:

I really meant no offense. :o

My thoughts were leading up to my final point in my post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65690-The-Guts-and-the-Glory-of-the-Georgia-Guidestones&p=768127&viewfull=1#post768127):


Perhaps Chris Thomas is looking at a different timeline than we are currently on now....which may explain his claim that Earth is inhabited by 3-4 billion humans. In this case...he would be incorrect, though unknowingly and justifiably.

I'd rather not start a whole thread going against Chris Thomas. I just want to make it clear that we need to look at information critically.

I also never said that the Akashic records predict future events...I specifically said that they hold an infinite amount of timelines.

:focus:

[Bright Garlick]

I don't believe in the Akashic Records (no matter how popular it is), so in my mind anyone who claims to have that kind of connection is delusional. I am not a fan of any of Blavatsky bastardized ideas or any of the other clones who regurgitate 19th-20th century Theosophy and it's spin offs. The Akashic Records is right up there with the Great White Brotherhood and Ascension. Crap ! Fodder for the new age ! Older Theosophy and Theosophia - well that's a different story.

I'd be curious about whether people have to say about the wisdom of GS messages and their practicality. Not that I don't also enjoy diversions !!! Especially from entomologists who like hobbits ! ;-)

Referring back to the original title, I also think as a monument of someones individual or collective thoughts/beliefs, the stones took a whole lotta Guts and like Stonehenge there is something Glorious about them ! It seems a real shame to me that nut cases graffiti NWO etc all over them. As an artwork, they are splendid ! Imagine how RC Christian must have felt knowing how much the stones would be hated and misunderstood ? That took a **** load of courage and faith in the goodness and wisdom of SOME human beings.

[Maunagarjana]

I don't believe in the Akashic Records (no matter how popular it is), so in my mind anyone who claims to have that kind of connection is delusional. I am not a fan of any of Blavatsky bastardized ideas or any of the other clones who regurgitate 19th-20th century Theosophy and it's spin offs. The Akashic Records is right up there with the Great White Brotherhood and Ascension. Crap ! Fodder for the new age ! Older Theosophy and Theosophia - well that's a different story.

I'd be curious about whether people have to say about the wisdom of GS messages and their practicality. Not that I don't also enjoy diversions !!! Especially from entomologists who like hobbits ! ;-)

Referring back to the original title, I also think as a monument of someones individual or collective thoughts/beliefs, the stones took a whole lotta Guts and like Stonehenge there is something Glorious about them ! It seems a real shame to me that nut cases graffiti NWO etc all over them. As an artwork, they are splendid ! Imagine how RC Christian must have felt knowing how much the stones would be hated and misunderstood ? That took a **** load of courage and faith in the goodness and wisdom of SOME human beings.

Bright, I know you are a Buddhist, so you ought to know that what are referred to as the "akashic records" in Theosophy are actually a part of Buddhism as well. Except it is referred to as the alaya-vijnana - meaning "storehouse consciousness". Look into it, my friend, and perhaps you may think differently.

[turiya]

I don't believe in the Akashic Records (no matter how popular it is), so in my mind anyone who claims to have that kind of connection is delusional. I am not a fan of any of Blavatsky bastardized ideas or any of the other clones who regurgitate 19th-20th century Theosophy and it's spin offs. The Akashic Records is right up there with the Great White Brotherhood and Ascension. Crap ! Fodder for the new age ! Older Theosophy and Theosophia - well that's a different story.


Well now, since you have opened up the off-topic subject matter a little more with your own post, I will interject something that you seem to be uninformed about, BG. Namely, the Theosophist Movement was not the origin of the term 'Akashic'. Akashic is a Sanskrit term that means 'record'. So to refer to the Akashic as being the 'Akashic Record' is using a redundant terminology - it as if saying: 'record record'.

The notion that there existed an 'Akashic' originally came out of ancient Tantric Teachings... way before the Theosophists entered the scene.


In the ancient literature of Tantra, they have a very strange idea which the Theosophical Movement introduced again in the contemporary world. It was the idea of akashic records. Akash means the sky. The Tantra idea is that anyone who is enlightened creates vibrations which are recorded by the sky itself because those vibrations are the treasure of existence. And Tantra treatises indicate that there are methods by which you can listen to those records. But there has been a great calamity… People destroyed those records. (Emphasis mine.)
Source (http://www.oshorajneesh.com/download/osho-books/world_tour_talks/The_Path_of_Mystic.pdf)

However, I do agree with your sentiments regarding Madame Blavatsky & the Theosophist Movement, and especially with what they did, and tried to do, to Krishnamurti...

cheers - turiya

[observer]

Since this thread has gone off-topic including a comment by the OP, I will repost a response to Samwise's earlier comment #54:


For the content of Samwise's comment #54, click-on the forwarding Icon.

I replied to Sam's comment over in another thread, because I didn't want to derail the content of this discussion concerning the Georgia Guidestones.

Concerning the Akashic (*See Note Below):

The content of my reply to Sam from, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=768153&viewfull=1#post768153):

Hi Sam, thanks again for your continuing interest.

I think you have hit the nail right on the head when you say:

"To summarize my point, I think that the Akashic records can be read from many angles and directions given the infinite nature of the multi-universe we are part of."

The best explanation of just what the Akashic Records may be is described in Quantum Physics as The Field of Infinite Potential, A.K.A. The Quantum Field. I do believe we are speaking of exactly the same phenomenon (semantics).

Quantum experiments have demonstrated that electrons (a quanta of mater) are a wave-form until they are collapsed into matter, by an observer. This would hold true for all mater as these same quantum experiments have produced the same results the world over.

Since we all exist within a field of infinite potential, and since we all perceive our realities in very much the same way, it only follows that something is controlling the hologram in which we reside, otherwise you would see an apple, and I would see an elppa - a bit of intended humor.

The members may wish to review these concepts further, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56913-What-controls-the-hologram).

Accepting this as a fact, one then must consider that everything an individual perceives from this Quantum Field in the form of mental images, is very likely manipulated. The technology behind Telepathic Manipulation was discussed earlier within this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65207-How-The-Anunnaki-Prevent-Disclosure&p=755329&viewfull=1#post755329).

Further, there is nothing, other than the reports of psychic individuals, over the history of Humanity, to verify there are any sort of Akashic Records, although I would stipulate the potential for this possibility is as infinite as the Quantum Field. So, it is very likely that everything that ever was, is somewhere within this field just as everything that can ever be.

When the Global Elite use the technique of Remote Viewing, they use an entire team of psychics to view a 'target'. The reason for this is obvious. Five different viewers will get five different 'readings'. By focusing on a single 'target' the moderator can then synthesize the results and possibly come-up with some solution.

I continue to maintain that all telepathically implanted thoughts, are manipulated. That is simply my personal conclusion....

In summery concerning the Akashic:


No two individuals will ever get the same 'reading' from a Field of Infinite Potential.
It is the responsibility of each individual to determine if any message interpreted from the Akashic/Quantum Field is accurate - for themselves.
To use a third party's interpretations of the Quantum Field as evidence in any debate is reckless.


* Note:

Thank you turiya for your most informative historic explanation of the Akashic. I will refrain from the use of the term 'Akashic Record' in the future....

[donk]

I think it would take more courage and faith for the individual or collective commemorating their thoughts/beliefs with the "beautiful" & astronomically aligned art work to have "signed" their work rather than obscure it in the darkness of anonymity.

I think someone smart enough to design and create the monumental would have been able to foresee these "negative" reactions to their carefully chosen words...

[OnyxKnight]

I'd be curious about whether people have to say about the wisdom of GS messages and their practicality.

I'd say the same thing you said about those who trust in the Akashic material or have claimed to have accessed it - delusional.

It doesn't sound right when its pointed at you, does it?

[turiya]

* Note:

Thank you turiya for your most informative historic explanation of the Akashic. I will refrain from the use of the term 'Akashic Record' in the future....

Well, there has been plenty of "water that has gone down the Ganges" since that terminology has been put in use by the West (Theosophists), as most use the redundant phraseology, so, it is at this time well-referenced that way. Just for those "linguistically minded" souls out there... is why I made a point about it.

Surely, don't make such a life-style change according to what I say, my dear observer friend... your freedom is yours to do, &/or say, what you would like, in any way your like.

cheers - turiya :cool:

[Jake]

Hello, all. :) For those of you who may have missed it, BrightGarlick also started a valid discussion about population control. It can be found Here... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65793-How-to-reduce-the-human-population) I do feel that touching base on the 'population' issue is relevant to this discussion also, though I do not feel that population is the only implication of the existence of the Stones themselves. I have heard that the Stones in Georgia were put there by Ted Turner... If that is the case, then I cannot take them seriously,,, AT ALL... However, we simply do not know.

I would love to see more supportive comments towards each others opinions. I think we are all doing fine here. We can accept a level of engagement that does not need to result in any sort of disrespect for anyone else. These are strange times. With regards Chris Thomas,,, there are ongoing discussions regarding this material. Again, population is part of this discussion, and Chris Thomas has put himself out there, so I don't see any reason for anyone to get too upset if his words are challenged. It is how we discourse that is going to show our quality. Just another piece of the puzzle.

Back to topic, please.
Jake .