Letter to Bright Garlick

[Cristian]

Letter to Bright Garlick




Hi,


Your Embracing the Shadow thread prompted me to write this words.

I’ve seen this for some time – this point of view- that everything that is evil out there comes from our inner projection.

Discussing philosophical issues is usually interesting and worthwhile. However you must have realized that this view of reality flies directly in the face of threads like Horus Ra or Vivek’s latest thread for example.
So either all this evil comes from our inner projection into the matrix and our collective thought forms or, you are mistaking and there is indeed something foreign, alien that has taken us over.

Getting this one wrong will have very unpleasant consequences for humanity.

Dwelling into the eternal who knows….nobody really knows and playing endless philosophical mind games can be really distracting.

You wrote:

Many folks here on PA for example, talk about demons, archons, bad aliens, and all those evil powers that be - completely oblivious to the projections that are coming from within.

I will say some are aware of the projections from within and are also aware of the foreign evil that infected every corner of our reality.

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you, Cristian!

Your words above means a lot, with a double emphasis on this sentence -


Getting this one wrong will have very unpleasant consequences for humanity

Good energies and good health to everyone ~

[ulli]

I still have not reconciled this dilemma you describe.
And you are quite right...it really opens more questions than are answers out there.
To avoid getting myself distracted by playing philosophical mind games I constructed two shelves inside my mind...
One is for the projection/shadow theory, and the other is for the "pure evil does exist" theory.

Until now I have made little progress in my attempts at reconciling these two paradigms.
The only explanation I could come up with is that until now (by 'now' I mean the second half of the 20th century)
most people have had little understanding of concept of shadow, unless they were acquainted with Jung.
So the process of the individual integrating is still new and hopefully ongoing.
The greater shadow, the one that belongs to the collective, which is humanity as a whole,
would be the next phase, and may take the rest of the 21st century to accomplish.

If humanity as a whole were to be compared to a human body then the head would be represented by the politicians and leaders of humanity's vast religious institutions.
And it is that head that is still fragmented, that has no concept of individual integration.
It seeks no connection with the shadow (the rest of us) other than by kidnapping innocent children
and experimenting on them in their vile manner.
They are often individuals who stood on the public stage,
who were forced to smile when they may not have felt like it,
and have never had a chance or find the time to confront their own inner shadows.
So they have this in common, and thus formed a group of like-minded people...
united only in their need to commit these evil acts, just to make themselves feel complete.

So we are their shadow, and they are ours.
Integrating this shadow from our end means embracing what they stand for, which is mainly our power.
It's time to hit the streets and take Occupy TPTB to a new level.

[Lifebringer]

You would have to think with the knowledge hidden by these individuals, that they too would form focus groups to combat what we do. I mean the creation of all the deceit was conceived by them, then the creation of the revelations of the hidden truths are there for us to put forth. Truth always wins over a lie, because it is just that, fact, truth and will always be that.

Lies are created to deceive, and some have done just that to obtain power around the world at the expense of many, many lives.

Thanks for putting me back in that frame of mind, that allows for an answer to your questions or comments. I'm good with the answer, because once again, it is truth and fact.

[Christine]

In the briefest of posts right now…

I have reconciled this by understanding both aspects to be true. I am aware of my shadow self and the more I deal with it and separate the True Being I am from the shadow layers the more aware I become of the other influences around me. I never was attacked psychically or astrally until I started to clean up my shadow in all seriousness. It is the same as our daily lives is it not?

We meet someone who is kind and wonderful, who embraces us and empowers us, we are heartened and glad. Or we meet someone who is ruthless and cruel, who tricks us and dailies with our finer feelings only to find out we were betrayed. Both types of encounters can be either… only via acts of great discernment and by KNOWING THYSELF would you be able to determine if it is a projection of SELF or other.

To me reality is layers and dimensions… only knowing (an ongoing process, never ending) who you are, where you are and determinate of where you are heading can you say one or the other… .. .. maybe this doesn't help but having clearly experienced both aspects I don't have a problem in accepting that our reality includes being the projector and receptor of an infinity of realities. Our minds do limit us at the line of where duality exists.

[Hervé]

"It has been usual for men to think and to say, ‘Many men are slaves because one is an oppressor; let us hate the oppressor.’ Now, however, there is among an increasing few a tendency to reverse this judgment, and to say, ‘One man is an oppressor because many are slaves; let us despise the slaves.’ The truth is that oppressor and slave are cooperators in ignorance, and, while seeming to afflict each other, are in reality afflicting themselves. A perfect Knowledge perceives the action of law in the weakness of the oppressed and the misapplied power of the oppressor; a perfect Love, seeing the suffering that both states entail, condemns neither; a perfect Compassion embraces both oppressor and oppressed.

"He who has conquered weakness, and has put away all selfish thoughts, belongs neither to oppressor nor oppressed. He is free."

From:As a Man Thinketh, by James Allen.... 've been attempting to clarify this confusion in various posts between the "It's all in your mind" stance from the psycho... logists and the "It's all real" of the experiencers...

"It's all in your mind" proponents are, unfortunately, not too far off whether one considers implants, post hypnotic orders, perceptions (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57078-Are-the-aliens-really-demons....&p=653785&viewfull=1#post653785), behaviours (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59804-My-Almost-Zero-Success-At-Awakening-People-Advice-Needed&p=683950&viewfull=1#post683950), etc., along with the reality that some memories (past incarnations or in-robotnated) -- when triggered -- become realler than real, actual reality...

In short, that field has been confused and muddied beyond mud-slides or lahars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahars)...

Since the whole thing hinges around perceptions, whether manipulated [or not]* by self or others... the only way to bring some sanity to the confusion is to be able to answer the following questions (or similar):


To follow up on my earlier (on topic) post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54685-How-safe-do-you-feel-posting-your-truth-on-the-Avalon-Forum&p=621899#post621899), there are a lot of other things interfering with one's own past emotional traumas...

... things like telepathic wars amongst the different human and ET factions, the AI interferences by same from satellites, people's "angels" and "demons" as well as "hitchikers/inserts," the field gets pretty much muddied out.


Accordingly, asking oneself the following questions might help in getting a much clearer field of vision and/or perception:

Who or what is doing the perceiving?

What exactly is being perceived?

Where exactly is it perceived to be coming from?

[araucaria]

The thing is, evil is tolerated in the free will district of a good universe – it is not the other way around, and it doesn’t work both ways. You cannot say good is tolerated in the free will district of an evil universe because good is not tolerated at all, and neither in fact is free will, beyond saying ‘You will do my free will’. Taking ‘good’ to mean positive and ‘evil’ to mean a false positive, there is no such thing as an evil universe because of its falsity. Evil cannot but remain a relatively local phenomenon; it may seem close to getting out of hand, but ultimately it cannot prevail, because the part cannot become the whole.

Likewise, there is an inner projection process, but it is only part of the story, and ultimately only a minor, local part. We need to deal with it, but we also need to get beyond it before it turns into just another trap. This trap may be seen in terms of karma: karma as a zero sum calculation, which it is not. Every positive does not require an equal and opposite negative.

The exercise, as intended, of free will is a (the) way of banishing the shadow from both within and without. The fact that the ultimate exercise of free will involves willingly handing it over, to whatever one calls one’s supreme being, and vicariously to others, is what also enables evil elements to steal or otherwise claim it for themselves. This is what makes the choice we all eventually have to make so difficult. It is a free will choice to abandon free will, but between good and pseudo-good. The answer is to listen to the inner self, and observe and go beyond the limits to the inner projection process.

[Finefeather]

Hi All
Everything we know and perceive and experience as 'evil' is from the mind...no where else...where else could it come from?

What is not been realised is the part played by the mind in the manifestation of 'evil' by the ones we think are 'evil'...the ones we class as external to our own 'good' consciousness and experience.
It is a catch situation...there are 'evil' entities out there simply because their minds are manifesting it, hence their actions...and it effects the 'innocent' by way of confrontation...the typical Horus-Ra story.
It is a bit like living amongst a group of 'bad' people...where their actions are considered 'normal' until they mingle with a different socially directed group.

It should therefore be expected that some major differences in thinking, hence action, could still be considered 'normal' by those caught up in what others may consider to be 'evil'.

How do we determine what is good and what is bad then?...By determining the unity which results in the collective we are a part of...unfortunately we have a long way to go yet in the realisation that life has an infinite amount of permutation.

Freedom is only attained by obedience to the Laws of the Cosmos and of Life, so it is best to take cover when confronted by a falling rock...rather than calling it evil ;)

Why is it that we can consider the actions of, say, a flesh eating animal, like a lion, as it rips it's prey apart in the wild, as normal...yet when we are the prey...it is 'evil'?

Take care now
Ray

[RMorgan]

Hey brother,

For me, this is rather uncomplicated.

If you believe in the premise that there are other forms of intelligent life in the universe, and if you believe in the "as above so bellow" maxim, then you can reconciliate this dilemma.

In my opinion, our human philosophical problems are not attached to our human nature itself, but with intelligence. Any other intelligent being, race or entity would eventually ask the same questions and live trough the same dilemmas.

Just like most of us tend to gravitate between "good" and "bad", eventually picking a side or choosing to accept both as part of our natural selves, other beings or entities very probably do it as well.

So, since the universe is so immensely vast and encapsulates all sort of manifestations of the phenomena of life and existence, there must be extreme "goodness", extreme "evilness" and everything else in between...Ultimately, it's eternally struggling for balance, just like we do.

The main question is: Are these other external entities and beings interfering with our lives? There's no way to know with 100% certainty.

However, if there are, these entities might be "good", "bad" or simply neutral.

Anyway, we must admit that we all tend to blame others for our problems, specially the "devil" or similar constructs. If there's the real devil or something similar, I don't really know. All I know is that, in the vast majority of cases, we create our own devils so we can artificially blame someone or something else for our failures. This is a very serious problem and the consequences are everywhere around us.

I remember watching an interview with an exorcist priest a few years ago. He said something like "Most of the times, when I perform the rite of exorcism, I just help people to get rid of their own demons"...I believe the truth regarding this subject goes along these lines...

Raf.

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by FineFeather: "Hi All
Everything we know and perceive and experience as 'evil' is from the mind...no where else...where else could it come from?"

I understand this is a Philosophical and spiritual truth, but allow me to respond to you in an earthly way (For a change) - Tavistock institute, CIA, Royal House, Mossad, Dulce, Livermore Labaratories, Area 51 and everywhere on this planet where Satanic rituals are taking place, also when two young juveniles attack and rob an older and defensless person.

Let's not diminish Evil when we can recognise it, even though we are very scared from this word. We feel powerless against it. It is very true we will be much closer to our own 'freedom from the Matrix' when we are able to take the higher perspective and have the deeper understanding of how it came to be. And I absolutely agree that the mind has quite a lot to do with it, But please let's also consider that the mind is a manipulted construct that was initially limited and put there by - well, some controlling deeds of others (you can call it evil if you like : ). There are many factors that create this reality, it is obviously the sum of our manipulated minds, as is our approache to the world and to life in general (soul development), as is our awarness and consciousness, our connection with the heart, compassion and so forth. The Dreamer Dream the Dream. But the dream is done by a lot more than just the mind. We are also allowing this reality to exist just the way it is and contributing to the continuation of this creation by turning our gaze from this painful place called ' evil', sometimes by simply denying its existence, or by completely blaming ourselves.
As collective, we are the sums of our parts and we need to see what else is out there besides our own point of views, what other tastes, what other grand perspectives, what other creators are on the field with us and not ignor them.

They are just the same as we are, they are looking for ways to express themselvs the best, the only difference is if it is done with regards to others or not.

There are layers within layers to this truths. Usually, within the Alternative community when we consider 'Evil', we hurry to fly to the higher provinces of the spiritual realms and apply a complete self responsibility on ourselvs which is good, it is embedded within the understanding of what true unity is.
When someone is not at all connected to their spirit self and relate only to the flesh, they crumble infront of evil deeds in dread and point a finger outwards.

We can not 'attack' spiritually (only) who and what does not understand this language.

In our world (3D going higher) we need to find solutions which combine all worlds -"The whole is the sum of it's parts.." - we need to solve our own dual fear first, by acknowledging the same thing we feel an aversion from. By seeing it but not being swapped by it, by looking at it and reacting in a different way than it expects us, by showing it ourselves, by finding compassion towards it, by being assertive towards it.

Then it will dissolve ~

[Ilie Pandia]

If we are truly infinite awareness with no beginning and no end, then whatever happens on Earth, while it looks dramatic and "real" it is just a game in the "eye of the perceiver". Therefore: there is no good or evil going on. Only perception of a range of experiences. With this perspective not even the Satanic rituals are bad since nobody is really hurt or killed.

Now, I have started this post with an IF, because I don't know if that is true or not, but it seems to be a common belief of Avalon.

So let's be complete and decide: either we are divine immortal indestructible essence and then nobody really dies or suffers OR the suffering and destruction is in fact real, but then let's stop pretending we are immortal and divine essence. We cannot have both at the same time. You can either take full responsibility or none. I see no middle way.

And so the thing that remains to be realized is WHO/WHAT are You really? While you ponder this question keep in mind that your perception of reality happens in your awareness. "Reality" is a signal decoded by your so called brain. There is no world "out there"... Everything happens inside of You, even the satanic rituals. (Notice the capital You. By that I mean the awareness that is decoding this reality right now and I do not yet know if is is infinite, divine or immortal).

(This is much better explained in "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot and "Butterflies are Free to Fly" by Stephen Davis.)

[Flash]

powerfull analysis Ulli


I still have not reconciled this dilemma you describe.
And you are quite right...it really opens more questions than are answers out there.
To avoid getting myself distracted by playing philosophical mind games I constructed two shelves inside my mind...
One is for the projection/shadow theory, and the other is for the "pure evil does exist" theory.

Until now I have made little progress in my attempts at reconciling these two paradigms.
The only explanation I could come up with is that until now (by 'now' I mean the second half of the 20th century)
most people have had little understanding of concept of shadow, unless they were acquainted with Jung.
So the process of the individual integrating is still new and hopefully ongoing.
The greater shadow, the one that belongs to the collective, which is humanity as a whole,
would be the next phase, and may take the rest of the 21st century to accomplish.

If humanity as a whole were to be compared to a human body then the head would be represented by the politicians and leaders of humanity's vast religious institutions.
And it is that head that is still fragmented, that has no concept of individual integration.
It seeks no connection with the shadow (the rest of us) other than by kidnapping innocent children
and experimenting on them in their vile manner.
They are often individuals who stood on the public stage,
who were forced to smile when they may not have felt like it,
and have never had a chance or find the time to confront their own inner shadows.
So they have this in common, and thus formed a group of like-minded people...
united only in their need to commit these evil acts, just to make themselves feel complete.

So we are their shadow, and they are ours.
Integrating this shadow from our end means embracing what they stand for, which is mainly our power.
It's time to hit the streets and take Occupy TPTB to a new level.

[greybeard]

As has been alluded to and keeping it simple.

At this "time" we live in a world of duality so we need the opposites in order to choose the highest choice the seeming individual is capable of making.
Others suffering gives us the opportunity to show compassion.
Evil gives the chance to forgive without condoning,

People on the whole do the best they can given the circumstances and their conditioning.

Every disaster finds people digging deep into their pockets to support those in need.
We rise to the occasion.

Ultimately we leave this world unscathed by all the "good and misfortune" that has been our earthly lot.
Hopefully we have benefited from these experiences.

Some come back, NDE, like Anita Moorjani to share their experience.
Bright did an excellent "conversation" as opposed to interview with her.
Eben Alexander and Dannion Brinkley worth listening to on U tube.

Yes we are eternal,- "One without a second."

Eckhart Tolle said "There never was any one there to do anything to you"

One trait of enlightenment is complete absence of the "I" thought.
Another is non-location.
There is a song with the words "Every where and no where baby that's where Im at"

However its all very real here and we must do as best we can to mature spiritually.

On Earth the lessons abound.

Chris

[Flash]

To my ex husband, I am evil. To my daughter, I am an angel. But who am I, from my own view point. I do think that most if not all is our projections, collective, and individual.

The shadow is in us, otherwise we would not even see it in others. We have just chosen not to act on it, yet the thoughts are there and some others are picking them up and acting on it. We project shadows again and again, as we do in movies for example, we get our minds collectively to act on it, to assimilate it. If we project love again and again, we get our minds to act on it collectively, some others pick it up and act on it too.

Our lives are not even a blink in the universal live of one's soul. What will that blink bring? How will it allow for actions and reactions? What choices will it provoke? Will it allow for balance? How much effort will be allowed or necessary to integrate light and shadow?

All this has in fact very little importance, in one's eternal consciousness. The soul will take up wherever ones' life has left it. Yet, it may have major impact, depending on choices. And there is a few choices that are a sure way to evolve - along the universal laws.

As I understood Finefeather, those choices may sometimes be important and are without judgments. They are sign posts for evolution, depending on where you are at at any given stage in evolution. You may embrace the shadow in one life to embrace the light in another one, all part of evolution. No judgment.

But I am convinces there are paths that are much more fruitfull to the soul and the creators within us. The discovery of these paths through trial and error, wouldn't it be the plan?

Peace to all (thinking that way brings me peace).

Flash

edit: often, when I feel miserable, i try to remember that this life of mine is not even a blink for my soul. No true importance, if i do not learn now with this life, I will learn with other means or lifes. I also try to remember that without the lessons, the slap on the wrist sometimes, I may not understand the errors I make on my path, and that without others making errors for me to see, I may not have an opportunity to learn easily (I am thinking here of my thread on pedophilia) on avoiding similar errors and on correcting the situation altogether. It awakens my consciousness in a few words.

Our shadows, very well represented by PTB, are tremendous teachers in power handling versus other forces.

[Delight]

we are divine immortal indestructible essence and then nobody really dies or suffers OR the suffering and destruction is in fact real, but then let's stop pretending we are immortal and divine essence. We cannot have both at the same time. You can either take full responsibility or none. I see no middle way

IF we are divine immortal indestructible essence, we can experience anything, even the responsibility of what it feels like to be in pain. Everywhere we have scads of "real" examples of people describing (in their divinity) this suffering. So what is the point?

For me the point is that I am that responsible for a created experience. I appreciate what it feels to have pain in words like: ache, agonize, ail, be affected, be at disadvantage, be convulsed, be handicapped, be impaired, be racked, be wounded, brave, complain of, deteriorate, droop, endure, experience, fall off, feel wretched, flag, get, go through, grieve, have a bad time, hurt, languish, sicken, smart, undergo, writhe (http://thesaurus.com/browse/suffer).

Having taken these experiences on and personally finding them unsatisfactory, and in my Divinity of ability, I then experience what in the face of pain is meant to aid, alleviate, assist, comfort, help, relieve. That does not quite cut the mustard. What else?

In full responsibility knowing how powerful is my ability to work in the illusion and questioning any further use to me of pain, I move on. This different way is quite unknown generally and the growing edge. I am sure I have an idea of some attributes: enjoy, enthuse, comfort, culture, soothe, sing, play, bless, regenerate.

But shadowy impediment seems to block my way. In black aspects of what I have not forgiven and golden aspects of what I have not owned, I stall. Yet, I am convinced of the reality of the creative nature of my being and its unlimited potential. Will that deter me forever?

I believe this is the drama I am in as my little human self. As I get closer to the truth, the shouting gets loud.

The quantum age has begun where we have yes/no, not yes/not no, yes and no, not yes and not no and every possible permutation of a presentation. This is just not simple arithmetic. It is not permanent but what IS THIS ABOUT aside from theory?

"Butterflies are Free to Fly" by Stephen Davis has a metaphor where first one is sitting looking at the movie screen believing it is real. Then the watcher realizes it is a movie and gets up and walks down an aisle. There are groups at the back of the theatre talking about movies. One wanders from group to group where all different discussions take place. At the back of the theatre, a big red exit sign is placed over a door.

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[sheme]

I'm just doing the best I can , keeping my thoughts under control not allowing any garbage to enter through my eyes or ears if I can help it. Just me dismissing all negative creations of my fellow beings don't acknowledge it and it does not exist, stay high -like attracts like.

EVERY THOUGHT, PLAN, GOAL, OR IDEA HELD CONTINUOUSLY IN THE CONSCIOUS MIND MUST INEVITABLY BE BROUGHT INTO REALITY BY THE SUPER-CONSCIOUS MIND.

[Bubu]

some very good thought or shall I say word play. Really enjoyed it.

Some highlights as to what comes to my understanding.

"If humanity as a whole were to be compared to a human body then the head would be represented by the politicians and leaders of humanity's vast religious institutions.
And it is that head that is still fragmented, that has no concept of individual integration.
It seeks no connection with the shadow (the rest of us) other than by kidnapping innocent children
and experimenting on them in their vile manner."

If humanity as a whole is to be compared to a human body, then the evolution (understanding) of the individual comes first from the body and not the mind. Hmmmm does it rings with the;"listen to your instinct and not your mind or trust your guts".


"It's all in your mind" = it does not exist. But since it exist in your mind then it exist (in your mind). On the context of anything can only be real if the mind can perceive it then something is only real to those who can perceive but not to those who can't. everything exist and don't at the same time.


"Anyway, we must admit that we all tend to blame others for our problems, specially the "devil" or similar constructs. If there's the real devil or something similar, I don't really know. All I know is that, in the vast majority of cases, we create our own devils so we can artificially blame someone or something else for our failures."


How about my problem about chemtrail should I blame it to myself. I was caught by a sudden "immune suppressing downpour (chemtrail rain)" while riding my bike. The following day I caught a cold (after more than 3 years). Ahhh perhaps I should blame my self for being caught in sudden downpour.... but wait how about if nobody sprayed chemtrail. Well I guess I should just do something about this. rather than cry over spilled milk I make more milk instead. But this does not mean that the elite (devils) do not exist, they do exist but I shall not resort on blaming, rather do something about it.

A friend ones said. "It's correct that's why he did it because if it's not then he would not have done it".

I should go now it's getting boring. I just realized that talks like this will produce nothing but the joy of exchanging idea, nothing more. No consensus no conclusive decision thus there is no cause for a common action to evolve.

I enjoyed the exchange of ideas. Thanks

[Kindred]

There is no evil... only ignorance, fear and restriction. Period. (a-la Seth - "Seth Speaks", by Jane Roberts)

This always bears repeating... we continually forget the basics.

From chapter 17; Probabilities, the Nature of Good and Evil, and Religious Symbolism

“…the soul stands at the center of itself, exploring, extending its capacities in all directions at once, involved in issues of creativity, each one highly legitimate. The probable system of reality opens up the nature of the soul to you. It should change current religion’s ideas considerably. For this reason, the nature of good and evil is a highly important point.

On the one hand, quite simply, and in a way that you cannot presently understand, evil does not exist. However, you are obviously confronted with what seem to be quite evil effects. Now, it has been said often that there is a god, so there must be a devil – or if there is good, there must be evil. This is like saying that because an apple has a top, it must have a bottom – but without any understanding of the fact that both are a portion of the apple.

We go back to our fundamentals; You create reality through your feelings, thoughts, and mental actions. Some of these are physically materialized; others are actualized in probable systems. You are presented with an endless series of choices, it seems, at any point, some more or less favorable than others.

You must understand that each mental act is a reality for which you are responsible. That is what you are in this particular system of reality for. As long as you believe in a devil, for example, you will create one that is real enough for you, and for the others who continue to create him.

Because of the energy he is given by others, he will have a certain consciousness of his own, but such a mock devil has no power or reality to those who do not believe in his existence, and who do not give him energy through their belief. He is, in other words, a superlative hallucination. As mentioned earlier, those who believe in a hell and assign themselves to it through their belief can indeed experience one, but certainly in nothing like eternal terms. No soul is forever ignorant.

Now, those who have such beliefs actually lack a necessary deep trust in the nature of consciousness, of the soul, and of All That Is. They concentrate upon not what they think of as the power of good, but fearfully upon what they think of as the power of evil.

The hallucination is created, therefore, out of fear and of restriction. The devil idea is merely the mass projection of certain fears – mass in that it is produced by many people, but also limited in that there have always been those who rejected this principle.”

In Unity, Peace and Love

For all there is, is LOVE

[Kalamos]

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[sandy]

Observing and learning from my human experience is becoming more of a fun thing as the years pass. My sense of gratitude for this lifetime of suffering and joy has wisened me in more ways than one :) and where I'll end up I don't know for sure. I think being curious about it all is part of what is called human nature and for the most part, I'm more excited than fearful anymore on this roller coaster of life.

[Ailith]

We are all a Universe unto ourselves and collectively One...Universe...I am having such an experience in this lifetime with all the joys and sorrows...and I accept that they are all of Mine and the Universes' making...thank you all for speaking...I love listening and appreciate your sharing...

[Ernie Nemeth]

The black goo enthralls all it touches or lets be touched by its name. It is foreign, insatiably invasive and utterly evasive. It thinks in sheets. It acts as one yet has no motive, no ambition, no impulse. It spreads thinly, ever thinner over all the world. Viscous tendrils reach, seeks.

Unsure of the reference.

During various stages in my life I have blamed God, the devil, God again, Satan, the ego, George Bush and Stephen Harper, then the devil, God and the ego again. I am presently considering whether despite all the apparent interference I might not be the most likely suspect to lay most of the blame on. If there is some sort of outside interference it must act contingent with my expected responses. So, the best way to counteract any such foreign intervention is to be unpredictable, creative, independent and self reliant. Course, if I could truly be those things I'd have no one to blame anything on anyway, pretty much. As the oracle said to Neo, "It is a pickle..."

[Cristian]

@ Ilie and greybeard

One thing comes to mind . The Project Camelot interview with David Icke.

He said something like , yes we are all pure awareness having an experience. So yes, it is all a game...but the question is, what future game you want humanity to play? What future game you want for your children?

So if we are playing this game can we try to make it a pleasurable experience? How about we stand up for humanity and for our future for a change?

Loading level 12...Humanity back to love and awareness ...PLEASE WAIT... ;P

[Ilie Pandia]

@ Ilie and greybeard

One thing comes to mind . The Project Camelot interview with David Icke.

He said something like , yes we are all pure awareness having an experience. So yes, it is all a game...but the question is, what future game you want humanity to play? What future game you want for your children?

So if we are playing this game can we try to make it a pleasurable experience? How about we stand up for humanity and for our future for a change?

Loading level 12...Humanity back to love and awareness ...PLEASE WAIT... ;P

Hi Cristian,

The way I see it there is no contradiction between David Icke and what I wrote (in fact he was the fist one to suggest to me the holographic nature of our experience and how everything actually happens "inside" of our awareness).

As David Icke says, if you want to change the movie you do not shout at the pictures on the screen. You need to have a chat with the projectionist. Who or what is doing the projection?!... that is the question! We stand up, be we stand up in awareness. We solve anything there is to solve inside ourselves first. I think that's the way to change the movie that's being projected.

PS: I just realized something. The writings of David Icke are good way to have a look at your shadow/dark self. He exposes that front and center.

[Cristian]

Ilie,

As Christine and others suggested , being in a process of inner change, trying to embrace your shadow ---> this things get noticed by external forces , forces that do not want to see you changing the projection. This is the core issue.
When you try to apply Gandhi's "Be the change you want to see in the world" you see something out there fighting against you. That is the realization of both problems. You fight yourself and then you fight something else . What is that something else? That is my question.

[Ilie Pandia]

The only answer I can give right now (w/o any proof and subject to change at any time) is that the "something else" is still You (perhaps the unconscious you, the rejected you.)

[miqeel]

So let's be complete and decide: either we are divine immortal indestructible essence and then nobody really dies or suffers OR the suffering and destruction is in fact real, but then let's stop pretending we are immortal and divine essence. We cannot have both at the same time. You can either take full responsibility or none. I see no middle way.

And so the thing that remains to be realized is WHO/WHAT are You really? While you ponder this question keep in mind that your perception of reality happens in your awareness. "Reality" is a signal decoded by your so called brain. There is no world "out there"... Everything happens inside of You, even the satanic rituals. (Notice the capital You. By that I mean the awareness that is decoding this reality right now and I do not yet know if is is infinite, divine or immortal)

Thank you for this.
I like thinking about this idea a lot, and would like, for my own comfort, share some of my thoughts.
Lets just say, that there is no way to ultimately define consciousness because consciousness defining itself enters an infinite loop. In my mind, Alan Watts and Robert Anton Wilson explain it best - but again it is my opinon. Personal experiences may wary.

The whole question of consciousness, is very likely the result of self-directed self-organisation of matter, that we call evolution. At some point the matter became self-organised enough that the electrical impulses of the brain gave way to the awareness, that is the knowledge of ones existence. As the time, progressed, the self awareness gave way to inteligence, which started to ponder upon itself.

If one ponders long enough, one starts asking these amazing questions, one of which is the nature of good and evil.
But in that sense, this question is also posed by the awareness, usually to try and explain away the suffering and pleasure we experience. And anyone will explain this, within the framework of their own consciousness, programming etc.

In my mind, these questions are self defeating. (again, personal experiences may vary). Self defeating - that is to say, they aim at explaining reality, from within - which is usually difficult to do.
Good and evil are just concepts, that are associated with experiences of different people. A native in Papua New Guinea will see cannibalism as good practice, in his frame of reference, me however, not so much. Thus personal experiences of good and evil will vary also.

The suffering is usually caused by our skewed concept of time - that everything exists in the future, rather than now. The pleasure is always present. Being more present may result in less suffering.

And by suffering, I mean the resistance against the reality, which means, THAT, WHAT IS.



I would say, many more people live in the future (or the past) rather than now. Living in the future will most of time result in fear, and fear will result in suffering (this is the best way I can think of explaining it). This applies to people here on this forum also. I have been a member for a little while, and have seen that for some, the IDEAS they hold dear are most ever important. Conspiracy theories (which I also accept), metaphysics, and such, are all the endgame to them. To me they are just the process. I dont hate people in power, because in their reality what they do is good (for them). Hatred towards them only antagonises the voice in my head.

What to do then? (again, that is in my reality)

1. Realise that reality is. For instance, if the forever talking voice in your head shut up for a little, the meat-robot that you believe carries YOU (capital you, living inside your head) would carry on the same. The cells would not stop working, breating digesting etc would carry on. You would feel hungry the same, horny the same, tired the same. The only thing that would happen, would be that the voice in your head would not try to explain it to you, in terms of past and the future. Life would carry on

Of course it is not easy. The penalty for the degree of complication of our brain is the existence of this voice. This voice can realise that, and become more helpful than harmful, but that takes placing ones self in this infinite look of asking about consciousness. By the way, (Alan Watts, again,) this infinite consciousness examination loop is meditation (the way I experience it)


So, I guess, to the core of this threads topic- what is evil? I dont know. For instance I dont have the experience to assert that it is a result of higher power. It very well may be. Conversely, I dont know if it is a result of human nature - it very may well be also. I (again, personal) accept it is a part of my reality.

I also strongly believe, that long-term it will subside and go away, one way or another.


Thanks for reading, it is by far my longest post so far, and I hope at least one of you got some enjoyment from reading it.

M

[AutumnW]

We get hung up on concepts that involve outside, versus inside, mind 'in here' as opposed to mind 'out there.' And we can't help but struggle with it. We're meant to struggle. If we reach any firm conclusions we develop a belief system around the conclusions--and every belief system has a shadow component.

For example, once we become 'awake' to the idea that there may well be some external force manipulating us mentally, we have to depress the shadow aspect of ourselves that wants to label anyone outside of that belief system, as ignorant, asleep, etc... etc... Once we are 'awake' to karma, the shadow aspect in ourselves unites with the shadow of that belief system and we can abrogate all responsibility to help others in distress, because they 'chose their fate,' according to the laws of karma.

We can adhere to the belief that fear, almost exclusively, is the root problem of suffering and that constraints on the personality should be avoided. The shadow of that belief system unites with our limited logic and we can become Aleister Crowley-like. Those who cause intentional distress, are let off the hook, to a point, because they are, 'acting out of fear.' Those who are in pain and suffering the tortures of the damned can be condemned for not keeping their fear under control.

There is no belief system, including the Jungian one, that encourages an examination of the shadow, that cannot be reworked into a belief that is destructive to the self and others.

What we have to do is to retain philosophical, theoretical flexibility, not take our opinions too seriously. We have to be able to think and feel on our feet, resist rigidity in thought, and have compassion for others. Because being human on this planet is one tough gig.

[Cristian]

Sometimes I wonder if you guys realize that you are taking the easy way out.

I also see that, for the most part, the followers of the “all evil comes from within” dogma are well educated individuals that seek to enhance their spiritual awareness . I get it , it feels right and it makes sense. I too was into this idea some years ago. And I still don’t think it’s a wrong concept…but I do think it’s not the whole picture.

Ever wonder why most of the users of this forum that posted disturbing experiences involving various entities came to the conclusion that there is indeed an outside influence at play?

Why do you think they cannot accept that evil as their inner projection?

Humans can act in various ways. Contrary to general opinion, I think most people are genuinely kind and decent. Something doesn’t add up. How can we be at a personal level decent human beings and so ****ed up as a whole?
It is my strong belief that LEFT ALONE , humanity can be so much more. I don’t think that the reality we are living in is the sum projection of only each and one of us.

Now, I can try to explain in detail why I feel this outside evil is something alien from humanity. Why the energy they are projecting is so strange and not of this world. Don’t know yet if I want to go there or not :(

[greybeard]

The main part of the illusion is separation.
Spiritual teaching says Remove the obstacles that reinforce separation = ego, and leave the world to God.

Quantum physics is proving that time, space and separation is a non truth.

We can in reality only work effectively on our self/ego to remove these barriers to Truth.
I equate ego with shadow self from a spiritual point of view.
Every advance we make, "personally", automatically lifts the collective consciousness and is therefore is very practical in easing the suffering of "others".
As for non human entities-- yes there is the lower astral and all the negative influence they have on the collective and individuals.
Every spiritual teacher has said in their own words "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing"
Just dont be attracted to the external that promises so much and gives heart ache and pain after a brief period of pleasure/gain.
Jesus was tempted by the devil with material gain--ie rule the world.
The ego is acquisitional, enough is never enough.

Its ok to have material things and work towards having a better more comfortable life.
The problems arise when we equate possessions with happiness.
Very often relationships are based on "You are supposed to make me happy" My wife.= ownership= possession.
Then we are possessed. Owned by our wants needs and desires.
Enlightenment is a desire-less state.
One can be very satisfied with relatively little.
True joy is not based on anything external.

Yogananda said "The darkness comes from the same place as the light"
Freewill is ours.
If we want to see a better world we have to chose wisely.
We can release the shadow self, its not what we ultimately are.

Chris

[araucaria]

Sometimes I wonder if you guys realize that you are taking the easy way out.

I also see that, for the most part, the followers of the “all evil comes from within” dogma are well educated individuals that seek to enhance their spiritual awareness . I get it , it feels right and it makes sense. I too was into this idea some years ago. And I still don’t think it’s a wrong concept…but I do think it’s not the whole picture.

Ever wonder why most of the users of this forum that posted disturbing experiences involving various entities came to the conclusion that there is indeed an outside influence at play?

Why do you think they cannot accept that evil as their inner projection?

Humans can act in various ways. Contrary to general opinion, I think most people are genuinely kind and decent. Something doesn’t add up. How can we be at a personal level decent human beings and so ****ed up as a whole?
It is my strong belief that LEFT ALONE , humanity can be so much more. I don’t think that the reality we are living in is the sum projection of only each and one of us.

Now, I can try to explain in detail why I feel this outside evil is something alien from humanity. Why the energy they are projecting is so strange and not of this world. Don’t know yet if I want to go there or not :(
The problem is that while we accept that there can be no separation in the all-that-is, that it is an illusion, there are separatists who do not and who are living in that illusion. Hence from the standpoint of all that is, perceived evil is inevitably immanent, whereas from the finite standpoint of us individuals, who have very largely a non-separatist outlook, evil transcends our personal experience. We therefore also feel separation, despite ourselves, from those who would be separate: this is the backlash they are causing. We feel our all-that-is to be threatened to the extent that there is the suggestion of something else in addition to all that is, which of course is patent nonsense.

This is why the battle is to win back whomever can be won back, leaving us to view the total separation of those who would be totally separate to be an illusion, zero loss, and no separation. Or, to put it another way, when we raise our game, such entities will simply disappear. The mathematics are simple enough: let x equal all that is; then x+0 = x, and x-0=x.

We are here to make a choice, but it is like my having three apples and zero bananas and suggesting you try a banana. Totally bananas ;)

To try and see this in alternative concrete, physical terms, take the astronomer Tom Van Flandern explaining how a total vacuum cannot exist. Note: ‘substance’ is here taken to include the dynamic aether.

To emphasize the point that true void implies non-existence, we are asserting that every point in the perceptible universe is at every moment of time filled with contiguous substance at some infinitesimal level. If substance could be imagined to become absent anywhere at any time, time there would cease and the perceptible universe would collapse until the ‘void’ was filled. Put another way, a particle reaching one edge of a ‘void’ would skip instantaneously to the opposite edge, just as if the ‘void’ had zero dimensions, because there is no substance to mark the passage of time inside the ‘void’, and no absolute time without substance (…) in the Meta Model, substance and existence are interchangeable. Where there is substance, there is existence, and vice versa; and where there is no substance, there is no existence, and vice versa. (Dark Matter, Missing Planets… p.18) There is the common saying, to the effect that Satan’s greatest achievement is to have made people think that he doesn’t exist. I think even C.S. Lewis, author of The Screwtape Letters, takes this view. In one sense, he’s dead right. But in another, on the contrary, Satan’s greatest achievement is to have made people think that he does exist. :)

Sure, this sounds highly counterintuitive, for Satan as we know is the ultimate materialist. But think about it for a moment: it makes good sense.

[markpierre]

There's nothing bigger or more powerful than you are. If you want or need evil masters to run or hide from,
you got um. It suggests a certain resistance to responsibility, but oh well. You do get over it.


added; The only answer I can give right now (w/o any proof and subject to change at any time) is that the "something else" is still You (perhaps the unconscious you, 'the rejected you'.) Ilie Pandia (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?998-Ilie-Pandia)

That's how big and powerful you are.

[ulli]

@auraucaria
I'm finding more and more that your posts address stuff that is happening in my 3D reality in a most uncanny way.
The existence or non existence of evil really does boil down to what each one of us believes.
I honestly cannot say that I have experienced evil first hand.
Whatever I saw...it was me at that time, that attached that label.
Upon further reflection I would admit that the behavior I had witnessed
was no more than a brief moment of human weakness.
But this is not the case with others who are becoming hardened in their conviction that evil not only exists,
but is all around them.

Here in Costa Rica which was once 99% Catholic, the influx of protestant
churches has created a bigger rift in the population than the two-party political system or soccer affiliations.

The status quo Catholics think the exodus from their church is a threat to the fabric of society.
The irony here is that these more modern Protestant churches were the first to bring up the concept of an ever-present Satan, but all of a sudden the Catholic priests have also begun to see demons and Satanic people everywhere,
so this labeling is being done by both sides now.

If someone wants to drop out of church-going altogether, and start to associate with someone like me
who is never seen in church except at weddings and funerals,
then they run the risk of getting told by both sides that they are completely in the clutches of Satan.

At this very moment I'm having to help a young local person (who was once my therapist/analyst) to figure out this dilemma, as her parents (who she still lives with) see her excursions into psychology as evil.

Also her not sharing every detail of what her clients (me) tell her drives them to some pretty strange maneuvers to needle her with manipulative and hurtful comments, and they are always telling her that she is possessed.

What complicates matters even more now is that my husband, who would rather stay out of it all, is their family doctor.
So here we have a situation where neither dogma (oneness versus separateness) is enough.

Respect of self means living up to one's highest ideals, and respect of others means the same, yet that's where it becomes complicated as these two cannot be ever identical.

Just to clarify further- when respecting others, one must take into consideration that they might not yet be ready to relinquish all their privacy, and yield to one's own dogma of oneness, that they are not yet willing to see everyone else in a positive light, nor regard other's motives as squeaky clean.

However, focusing on Satan instead of God in a religious community can be powerful stuff, and then Satan will tend to pop up everywhere, even if only as a thought form that was created by the collective mind. But to those individuals he has real hooves and real horns and a real tail.

[greybeard]

Ilie,

As Christine and others suggested , being in a process of inner change, trying to embrace your shadow ---> this things get noticed by external forces , forces that do not want to see you changing the projection. This is the core issue.
When you try to apply Gandhi's "Be the change you want to see in the world" you see something out there fighting against you. That is the realization of both problems. You fight yourself and then you fight something else . What is that something else? That is my question.

That something else is a mind projection--or if you prefer a judgemental thought.
We have expectation of how the other should act and behave.
With thoughtless awareness everything is as it is---so good and evil dont even come into it.
It just depends on the level of consciousness.
There is that which promote life and that which definitely does not---that is not a judgement just an awareness that its best not to associtate with lower vibration. Its all comes from one vibration but different levels of expression.
A good example is water. It can be steam, all the way down to ice.
Ice can become liquid can become steam.
Lower heavy dense vibration does not have to stay that way, everything has potential to change for the "better" or "worse"
Its perception as well.
A warm day in Iceland would be considered chill on the equator.
So good and evil means different things to different people in the illusion.
The advanced souls sees it differently--without judgement it is as it is.
They would not however put their hand in a furnace.
There is a "discernment" that is beyond mind and thought.
What ever spiritual level a person is at is their truth and they have little choice but to act accordingly.
You dont go down the Getto shouting I am God and so are you --I love you all.
You would get parted from your money and possibly your life rather rapidly I suspect.
Balance, balance--discretion, discretion. Be aware.
Chris

[Bright Garlick]

Cristian - thank you for your wonderful letter ! It's not everyday I get my own "public letter". I have enjoyed this thread immensely and am glad to see that it has led to the question of "what is evil ?" - a question worth it's own thread ! I shall let others speak for me. My ears are wide open ! ;-)


Letter to Bright Garlick




Hi,


Your Embracing the Shadow thread prompted me to write this words.

I’ve seen this for some time – this point of view- that everything that is evil out there comes from our inner projection.

Discussing philosophical issues is usually interesting and worthwhile. However you must have realized that this view of reality flies directly in the face of threads like Horus Ra or Vivek’s latest thread for example.
So either all this evil comes from our inner projection into the matrix and our collective thought forms or, you are mistaking and there is indeed something foreign, alien that has taken us over.

Getting this one wrong will have very unpleasant consequences for humanity.

Dwelling into the eternal who knows….nobody really knows and playing endless philosophical mind games can be really distracting.

You wrote:

Many folks here on PA for example, talk about demons, archons, bad aliens, and all those evil powers that be - completely oblivious to the projections that are coming from within.

I will say some are aware of the projections from within and are also aware of the foreign evil that infected every corner of our reality.

[mosquito]

.... I'm having to help a young local person (who was once my therapist/analyst) to figure out this dilemma, as her parents (who she still lives with) see her excursions into psychology as evil. ....

What complicates matters even more now is that my husband, who would rather stay out of it all, is their family doctor.
....

Oh what a tangled web we weave ! (enter Brian Rix, stage L. sans trousers) Chuckle chuckle ;)

[Bright Garlick]

:kiss: :p :hail:

There is no evil... only ignorance, fear and restriction. Period. (a-la Seth - "Seth Speaks", by Jane Roberts)

This always bears repeating... we continually forget the basics.

From chapter 17; Probabilities, the Nature of Good and Evil, and Religious Symbolism

“…the soul stands at the center of itself, exploring, extending its capacities in all directions at once, involved in issues of creativity, each one highly legitimate. The probable system of reality opens up the nature of the soul to you. It should change current religion’s ideas considerably. For this reason, the nature of good and evil is a highly important point.

On the one hand, quite simply, and in a way that you cannot presently understand, evil does not exist. However, you are obviously confronted with what seem to be quite evil effects. Now, it has been said often that there is a god, so there must be a devil – or if there is good, there must be evil. This is like saying that because an apple has a top, it must have a bottom – but without any understanding of the fact that both are a portion of the apple.

We go back to our fundamentals; You create reality through your feelings, thoughts, and mental actions. Some of these are physically materialized; others are actualized in probable systems. You are presented with an endless series of choices, it seems, at any point, some more or less favorable than others.

You must understand that each mental act is a reality for which you are responsible. That is what you are in this particular system of reality for. As long as you believe in a devil, for example, you will create one that is real enough for you, and for the others who continue to create him.

Because of the energy he is given by others, he will have a certain consciousness of his own, but such a mock devil has no power or reality to those who do not believe in his existence, and who do not give him energy through their belief. He is, in other words, a superlative hallucination. As mentioned earlier, those who believe in a hell and assign themselves to it through their belief can indeed experience one, but certainly in nothing like eternal terms. No soul is forever ignorant.

Now, those who have such beliefs actually lack a necessary deep trust in the nature of consciousness, of the soul, and of All That Is. They concentrate upon not what they think of as the power of good, but fearfully upon what they think of as the power of evil.

The hallucination is created, therefore, out of fear and of restriction. The devil idea is merely the mass projection of certain fears – mass in that it is produced by many people, but also limited in that there have always been those who rejected this principle.”

In Unity, Peace and Love

For all there is, is LOVE

[mosquito]

I think I'll post what I want to say here, rather than on Bright's thread.

What's the shadow ? It's whatever we are not aware of within ourselves. It isn't necessarily "bad", it may be that you are unaware of your capacity for compassion and selfless service. If you want to get a clue as to what's there, there's always Ayahuasca, or alternatively, here's an exercise for you, but prepare to be challenged. We've all (probably) done the self-help type of stuff where we list our good qualities, well now for something completely different:

Get 2 pieces of paper. On the top of one, write "I am not ...." and list everything that you are not, all the things that disgust you and piss you off about humanity. On the top of the other, write "I would never ....." and write all the things that you would never do or be.

Then it gets hard, because in order to truly become conscious and free, you have to be able to embrace all of those ghastly qualities, contemplate doing them (Note in very big letters - I am not advocating doing anything harmful or illegal), contemplate what it would be like for you to be or do those things, without judgment (difficult !) and then realize that the reason that you aren't a mass-murderer, for example is because you choose not to be.

An example from my personal history, just to clarify things a little. I have never been a "bad" person, and always thought I was above doing bad things. When I lived in Peru a few years back, my situation deteriorated to the point where I had no money. Literally no money. I remember laying in my hammock contemplating my last 70 centavos: "do I use it as a bus fare to get to work, either today or tomorrow ? Or do I buy a glass of orange juice to sustain myself ?" I then tried to think of how I could turn my luck round, and contemplated everything, including various illegal and morally questionable trades. And I chose not to do any of thoose things, but the point is - I acknowledged my ability to do them, which required me to acknowledge that, contrary to my years of being Mr Nice Guy, I was perfectly capable of acting against my own moral beliefs.

Another thing you can do to get a handle on your shadow is to look at what annoys you, or what people you most dislike, and then look at their qualities. Is it bankers ? Politicians ? Whatever. The qualities in those people are the qualities in your own psyche that you have consigned to the shadow, the "I am not" section.

There isn't one person on this planet inhabiting a white skin who does not contain in his or her ancestry - murder, rape, child-abuse, genocide etc. Denying it's there doesn't make it go away. Putting more people in prison doesn't make it go away. Owning it, looking at it and embracing it is the way we, as a species heal, along with a communal consensus that such and such behaviours are not what we choose to adopt.

OK, what about "external" evil. My view, and I might be wrong, is that the evil "out there" springs from our own personal and collective shadow. And there is also our propensity, nurtured by Judaeo-Christianity, to project it all onto a devil.

Please read what I said carefully, I'm aware that it could be misinterpreted.

[Chester]

Letter to Bright Garlick




Hi,


Your Embracing the Shadow thread prompted me to write this words.

I’ve seen this for some time – this point of view- that everything that is evil out there comes from our inner projection.

Discussing philosophical issues is usually interesting and worthwhile. However you must have realized that this view of reality flies directly in the face of threads like Horus Ra or Vivek’s latest thread for example.
So either all this evil comes from our inner projection into the matrix and our collective thought forms or, you are mistaking and there is indeed something foreign, alien that has taken us over.

Getting this one wrong will have very unpleasant consequences for humanity.

Dwelling into the eternal who knows….nobody really knows and playing endless philosophical mind games can be really distracting.

You wrote:

Many folks here on PA for example, talk about demons, archons, bad aliens, and all those evil powers that be - completely oblivious to the projections that are coming from within.

I will say some are aware of the projections from within and are also aware of the foreign evil that infected every corner of our reality.

I discovered through my experiences and the Horus-Ra thread that I had a choice. Either I am "in" the matrix and thus in a position such that the Archons have their way with me or the Archons (all dark forces, my "shadow beings"... in fact any form of evil) is actually within me.

Both have been true. For most of my life, the former totally dominated. Now, I simply see these beings as within my own psyche.

By taking this latter point of view, I have now made the following decisions -

I decided to no longer "feed" the energies that I used to make readily available to these "constructed beings."

I consider the creative force that plays a roll in my current experience as responsible for these beings and that the deepest part of me created this creative force - speaking metaphorically, Sophia (of Gnostic creation mythology). Following this metaphor, Sophia created (along with Phelete), the Anthropos which is the prototype human being. She also created the Archons according to the myth. That makes these Archons, step siblings... metaphorically.

My primary solution is to not provide the food which those who study the Archons suggest the Archons strive to "eat" - my negative emotions / energies.

My theory is that if we all did this, the Archons must get used to a different type of food (and keep in mind the saying, "You are what you eat") or, if they are unable to continue to exist, they pass into our past as some species die off.

In addition, I cast the out the Universe this thought... "That if it be possible, like Pinocchio, that the Archons could set aside their deceptive ways then perhaps they might somehow grow their own soul. Thinking that if they are able to do so, then we would enjoy a completely new dynamic between us.

The key to viewing the dark forces as within us is that the viewer then has no choice but to take responsibility for their experiences and interactions with these beings. I simply got sick and tired of the drama.

And guess what? It has virtually gone away - no more negative demonic experiences in my life at all whatsoever. My only sadness is that it looks like each of us must accomplish this individually. I wish we all could.

[Kalamos]

..........

[Chester]

In other words... both points of view are true yet whichever of the two you rest in, whichever of the two you abide by, the one of the two that rules in the back of your mind...

Whichever one you own determines what owns you.

I asked myself what was acceptable. That non-ensouled, thought created beings own me? Or that I own my experience? I chose the latter. Then, after taking back my experience, I have sought what may be the best possible set of solutions for us all. I present it every chance I have.

Just doing my part like so many here on Avalon. What a great place!

[Kalamos]

..........

[TraineeHuman]

In the physical world, we certainly don't live in a world of Truth and divinely wonderful harmony. Everything is by and large half truth, half not. At various -- many -- times and situations also an extreme imbalance of "not". Everything in this physical world is by its nature perverted, or at best only inadequately connected in some way to the Light of the Divine.

Let me explain. The physical world, and other worlds like it, have actually been "created" by (or within) an inferior Intelligence. A well-meaning Intelligence, but a little bit dumb, and quite ignorant, in comparison to the Divine. This is not one of the worlds "created" by Source. This is Mordor. And you came here probably because you are Frodo or one of his friends or companions. And take care, of course, that you don't by some misfortune unwittingly become Gollum!

In such a world (or half-world), the satanic slaughtering and all the murderousness and so on are indeed caused by the influence of certain very powerful beings in the astral world. It's not a "natural" result of the inadequate level at which the physical world itself exists. Rather, it's an extreme perversion. That perversion comes ultimately from beings some of whom formerly were Divine beings. They are indeed in opposition to the Truth and the Divine. They have an explicit agenda of opposition to the Truth. And to try to convince everyone that their total falsehoods are the truth. "War is necessary, or inevitable. So is the Fed, and all forms of abuse etc etc etc etc." Er, thanks, Mr Gollum.

There are also benevolent Gods. They live in a higher realm. It's where "the Fall" has not happened. The Fall is a fall out of a perception of sameness -- of all things and beings as being essentially the same in their inner nature, though with outer individual differences.

The higher Gods are more powerful than their opposition. You may well be wondering, then, why don't they all just come down from their Olympus and neutralize all the nasties forever? Well, it's not quite that simple. Basically, this is because good in itself simply has no relationship with evil in itself. That fact puts limitations on even the powers of the greatest benevolent Divine beings -- within this imperfect world. That's the whole reason why the bad guys are all hanging around in the astral worlds, near to and interpenetrating with this world. (Well, they're all wearing shackles as well, as far as I know.)

The only way they can have any power over your spirit directly is by successfully selling some of their falsehoods to you as being the truth. "Greed is good" (thanks again, Mr Gollum) is a great example of such a falsehood. Some yuppies etc of course actually believe deeply that that's the truth. Of course, the nasties will still have an indirect effect on you because e.g. you probably need to buy compromised food, and so on.

The more you can get in touch with true awareness and your pure intuition and other higher or positive things, the more the positive beings and forces will be able to help you. Do it enough, and in your own life the influence of the positive forces will outweigh that of the negative. Any time you meditate properly (with some psychic protection set up), for instance, you're tuning in to some good guys or forces, whether you realize you are or not.