Wound Healing W/Out a Doctor

[yiolas]

Hi Guys,
I found this product which appears to might come in very handy to have on hand when no other medical assistance is around. This product is usefull for the following:
Suggested Use:
DermaWound: Post-Burn Ulcers;Non-Healing Lacerations; Traumatic Ulcers; Spider Bite Ulcers
Amputee Stumps; Chronic or Re-occuring Wounds. (No refrigeration.)
http://www.progressivedoctors.com/


1. Rapid Pain Relief.
2. Rapid Flushing of Infection from chronic and acute wounds.
3. Rapid decrease in inflamation and erythema (swelling & redness).
4. Bacterialcidal activity against a broad range of microorganisms, including
resistant bacteria (i.e. MRSA, VRE, e. Coli), viruses & fungi.
5. Rapidly pulls out Osteomyelitis in exposed bone.
6. Requirement for skin grafting is eliminated, even with large areas of tissue damage. This will be a result of natural skin island formation on the healthy granulation
tissue with subsequent covering by epithelium.
7. The Wounds heal without a scab - from the outside, in - and from the
bottom, up. Edges of wound will "feel" and appear to be "pulling" together.
8. Minimal or no major scarring. Very few Keloids, even in dark skin.
9. Relatively painless therapy due to the water solubility of the product.
This results in non-adhereance of the dressings to the wound with subsequent decreased requirements for analgesia.

[MargueriteBee]

Thank you Yiola this looks really interesting. I have a friend who gets boils a lot I will send the link to him.

[Ross]

Thanks Yiola, good info!

Peace

[pugwash84]

Sounds quite good. I saved it in my favorites list thankyou.

[witchy1]

Excellent find Yiolas thank you. It looks like a good dose/blend of natural products:
Ingredients:
Domestic & International Patented and/or Patent Pending Proprietary Formulations:
Original Formula: Poly-Saccharide Blend; Povidone-Iodine USP; Poly-Mineral Blend;
Citric Acid; Dibasic Sodium Phosphate; Nonoxynol-9; Glycerin; Carrageenan; Silica;
1-Octadecanol; 1-Hexadecanol & Purified Water.
Original Hypo Allergenic Formula: See above; Minus Povidone-Iodine, Nonoxynol-9 & Benzocaine.
Venous Stasis Formula: See above; + Benzocaine USP.
Venous Stasis Hypo Allergenic Formula: See above; minus Povidone-Iodine & Nonoxynol-9;
+ Benzocaine USP

[yiolas]

I'm glad you guys agree that it might be a handy product to have around.

[lightblue]

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and for smaller cuts/injuries (by kitchen knife and similar) tried and tested is st john's wart infused in good grade oliive or other oil...get a plant flowers (very common plant, dried is perfectly good) and infuse it in oil by letting it sit for some 4 weeks in a dark glass bottle away from the day light...when the oil has turned RED, means it's ready to use.. store in in a dark cabinet...IT WORKS WONDERS...heals superficial woulds/cuts in no time...i always have it.


for burns and scolds - crack an egg open: apply a generous layer of yolk on the affected area as soon as accident happens... it will take the pain out and you won't even develop blisters... it's amazing how quickly it works...:yes4: l

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[witchy1]

MMS for superficial burns - gone in a flash

[Janos]

Oil of Oregano. Useful for a wide variety of things, including healing cuts and skin issues, can also be taken internally.

[ThePythonicCow]

I use Manuka Honey for healing of small wounds. It is made by bees feeding on the flowers of the tea tree plant (source of the well known 'tea tree oil').

[Arrowwind]

Manuka honey can be quite effective even for very serious wounds that refuse to heal... even MRSA.
I really like silvadine cream for ulcer wounds but requires an RX. But if you go to mexico stock up.
And lugols iodine is what is called for if there is serious infection too. Educate yourself on Lugols iodine
it is essential for any home medicine kit.. for many many condiitons. My doctor tells me of breast cancer cured
with lugols alone...

Personally, I am not too impressed with what is in the Dermawound product and it would only be called for wounds that are difficult to heal in such situations like pre-exisitng disease like diabetes, vascular disease.
and such.. I would not use it for serious infections... it will not cut the mustard..... and this type of product is generally for the elderly who are comprimised with vascular issues.

[Arrowwind]

All wound healing kits should have sutures for deeper wounds and steri strips. Steri strips can be used on many wounds that some docs would routinely stitch. To get them to work well you need some stuff called skin prep so they stay on longer.

Also pick up some tubes of neomycin triple antibiotic ointment.. Now a very few people are sensitive to this stuff, but most are not. The reason to have this is that it works very well for all kinds of eye infections. Apply at night only for pink eye. Some infections may require 2 x day.. its down side is that it is greasy can blurrs the vision because of it... but it works just as well as a prescription eye antibiotic. Always treat infections for at least 3 days after all symtoms are gone and things seem clear. Colloidal silver rinses to the eyes 2 to 4 times a day can be effective too.

Bacitracin is a good choice for skin wounds as it will kill staph.. and even most MRSA will succumb to it if it is applied as soon as the wound happens... so it is a good preventative for serious infection. I would not be without it.

Lugol's iodine will take care of most topical local wounds.. but it will burn if put on full strength. Cut a 5% lugols solution 50 50 with water for topical wounds. It will kill topical fungus and cure some eczemas, which are likely fungus too. Do a search crow's lugols iodine. He has good articles on its use on his site. All physicians used it once upon a time before the advent of antibiotis. I cannot stress enough how important it is to have as a part of your surival kit

[FJMcD]

Arrowwind, was it you that I read on one of the many posts that I'm trying to get through who has helped people with propoer MMS1 and MMS2 usage/dosage? Do you know who could help me with that. I have ordered the book and it should be arriving in the next couple of days.

Thank you all for such wonderful loving words that I find everywhere I look.

Frankie Jane

[LiveFree]

Please don't think of this as a stupid question but do you put the honey directly on the wound? Or is it ingested? Or both? Thanks!

[Arrowwind]

I would not count any longer on Jims book for proper dosage info unless the book has been updated... and I have not heard that it has been... just consider it a donation to his project. Go to Jims website for the most current info.

www.jimhumble.biz (http://www.jimhumble.biz/)

There you will learn everything you need to know about how to use MMS in its many applications.

I am not that familiar with MMS2 having not used it and I tend not to recommend or counsel on too many things that I have not used myself.

I am going to be traveling, leaving in about 8 days for several months so will have limited internet access so if you want the best personal advice on using MMS I would join this forum.. I generally hang out here a lot but I know there are several people on this forum who are very experienced with mms1 and some with mms2 who can answer your questions... for individual personalized concerns.. but please read Jims website because it tells the best for all the generals on their uses.

www.natmedtalk.com (http://www.natmedtalk.com/)

[bilko]

livefree
You apply it directly to the sore or burn, read this for a better explanation.
Use raw honey.
http://www.dermnetnz.org/treatments/honey.html

[Arrowwind]

Please don't think of this as a stupid question but do you put the honey directly on the wound? Or is it ingested? Or both? Thanks!

You put it directly on the wound, daily until the healing starts to show and drainage decreases significantly. Always change dressings daily or twice a day or even more if a wound is draining a lot.. ... keep applying it until the wound is fully healed.

To rinse a wound choose noraml saline....salt water, its a good choice. It should be sterile, boiling for 5 minutes does it, cap it in a steril bottle. make new every 24 hours.

Then when it starts to look better you can decrease dressing changes to every other day, then to once every 4 days, etc. But I am really into looking a a wound daily because if it takes a turn for the worst you want to know as soon as possible.. often just peeking under the dressing is sufficient in many cases... its a judgement call.

Other honey besides manuka is known to work but it needs to be raw first and formost, and then organic if you can find it.

[TWINNICK]

I will use honey or even raw sugar to heal wounds or cuts, works very well (bee's aren't dumb) and if you mix a little cinnamon with it and have a table spoon once or twice a day I read somewhere it has an anti viral anti bacteria anti parasite effect on your system.

I carry a good collection of sawing needles and poly thread and 100 yards of dental floss in my kit, these are very strong and can be used to stitch yourselves up(or someone else) if you have to. I would also run some honey on the thread before I started stitching to help with antiseptic/healing.

..Nick..

[Arrowwind]

Sterile suture kits are not hard to buy on line. For deep wounds with internal stitiches you need cat gut thread... I think thats kind of an old term but it suture thread for internal suturing

Always steri strips are safer for wounds not so deep as opposed to suturing.. you can purchase long ones on line and cut to length

[LiveFree]

Thanks for the info everyone. I have always heard that raw honey was a good antibiotic substitute. I will have to look around here locally and see what I can find. I'll recommend it to my sister as well. She's a nurse (with an open mind :))

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks for the info everyone. I have always heard that raw honey was a good antibiotic substitute. I will have to look around here locally and see what I can find. I'll recommend it to my sister as well. She's a nurse (with an open mind :))
Yes - honey works. Manuka, which you can find on-line from New Zealand, is especially good.

I think of it this way: honey has much concentrated nutritional value, but is stored by bees without refrigeration for long periods of time inside their hives. So they must be adding something to it that keeps it from going bad.

I once burnt my wrist. I caught my metal watch band in my car battery terminal. The watch band links were welded together from the instant heat. I could see my bare wrist bone. Fortunately no critical nerves or tendons were fried. All I ever did was apply honey to the wound and a bandage. It started healing up right away, and within three weeks, I could no longer tell which wrist I had fried without looking under the light closely.

[TWINNICK]

Yes - honey works. Manuka, which you can find on-line from New Zealand, is especially good.

I think of it this way: honey has much concentrated nutritional value, but is stored by bees without refrigeration for long periods of time inside their hives. So they must be adding something to it that keeps it from going bad.

I once burnt my wrist. I caught my metal watch band in my car battery terminal. The watch band links were welded together from the instant heat. I could see my bare wrist bone. Fortunately no critical nerves or tendons were fried. All I ever did was apply honey to the wound and a bandage. It started healing up right away, and within three weeks, I could no longer tell which wrist I had fried without looking under the light closely.


HI, Manuka is good but any honey is just as good. and no you don't need any treatment for honey to make it last longer.Bee's now what there doing LOL.

I believe I saw a story once a while back about someone finding a clay pot of honey in a pyramid that was said to be 5000 years old, it was candied, but when they added some mild heat to it it returned to its natural runny self and was perfectly good to eat.

Tea tree oil is another good antiseptic/anti viral/anti bacterial as well, or you can just plonk some leaves into hot water and you have a nice brew(which is were it got its name from) The tea tree, its an old bushies treat. Back in the gold rush days thats all some people had available to them for making a cuppa tea, I believe the Ozzy Aboriginals taught the new comers quite a few things about the bush foods and medicinal properties of many plants and herbs and even grubs and insects.

The tea tree is quite common in Australia as is Manuka honey and there are many other cures and fixits from Mother Nature.

If you want to see some good stuff about all this just look up THE BUSH TUCKER MAN. he's an Ozzy ex Major from the Australian army who's job was to go off into the bush in far north Australia and gather info from the local Aboriginals about what bush foods and remedies were available to use for our troops if we needed to know. It was such a success that they turned it into a t.v series. You can get a 4 dvd pack from the ABC shop,its very educational to say the least.

You can eat every wild grass seed on the planet apparently, not to mention a lot of insects are rich in protein and carbs and vitamins and minerals with no bad fats, although it might be an aquired taste LOL.

If I had to I would eat insects to keep myself alive( didn't Elija keep himself alive by eating wild honey and locusts).

The Aboriginals would treat snake bite victims by burying them up to there neck in soft sand to imobalize the whole body under a nice shady tree and sit with them for days and let them sip water, just so the poison would only travel slowly through the circulation system so they had a much better chance of coping, apparently it was quite an effective treatment which says a lot because out of all the most deadly snakes in the world most of them are here,LOL.

..Nick..

[Dennis Leahy]

I'm lucky to have a certified herbologist in my part of the world, and she collects wild herbs, tree parts (bark, roots, leaves, needles, etc.), and lichens from our local boreal forests to make some of her medicines. (She also teaches others how to make them.)

I know this will probably not be valuable for those outside the US (and maybe Canada) as shipping would be too high, but her products are very inexpensive and very effective.

I love the "Boreal Forest Triple Antibiotic Salve" (which is also anti-fungal.)

Pam Thompson is her name, and her little cottage industry is called Giving Ground (http://www.givingground.com/index.html)

Dennis

p.s. I have a friend that got a terrible outbreak of exzema and nothing the doctors prescribed would help, but Boreal Forest Triple Antibiotic Salve did

[slvrfx]

raw sugar to heal wounds or cuts

..Nick..

Love this thread. We need to teach others.

Ive been into alternative healing my entire life. Used mostly natural methods raising my children, whom I mostly had at home, without even a midwife. (Hospitals close by as a precautionary.)

The sugar, even plain white, is excellent for healing wounds that have become infected. I believe it's because white sugar, has had the enzymes destroyed in the processing, so it 'seeks' it out. I read about a man who had gangrene when he was in the outback alone, and couldn't get medical treatment. He made a poultice out of sugar and saved his leg.

Ground cayenne pepper will stop bleeding, almost instantly. This is one I have had a lot of experience with.

Cayenne is also good as a poultice to draw out toxins. Had a friend whose 4 yr. old had stepped on a rusty nail, in an area where they had there small farm animals...she cleaned it immediately but within a day, it got to where the veins in the foot, and starting to go up the leg, were turning black. She used the cayenne poultice and it cleared it up within hrs. (Her mom was an herbalist, so she knew a lot about herbs.)

I am aware of herbs that can remove tumors and even combat the BIG-C, which is NOT big to me since I've seen too many success stories.

I'm 62 and free of any health issues, as are all of my grown children (who were NOT vaccinated).

(Sorry if I offend anyone who's a professional healthcare worker, but really, it works, and why can't I spread it as much as all those paid-ads on TV are doing.)

IT'S ABOUT CHOICE.

If anyone has particular questions, PM me. I will direct you to specifics.

[baggywrinkle]

Love this thread. We need to teach others.

The sugar, even plain white, is excellent for healing wounds that have become infected. I believe it's because white sugar, has had the enzymes destroyed in the processing, so it 'seeks' it out. I read about a man who had gangrene when he was in the outback alone, and couldn't get medical treatment. He made a poultice out of sugar and saved his leg.

...

(Sorry if I offend anyone who's a professional healthcare worker, but really, it works, and why can't I spread it as much as all those paid-ads on TV are doing.)

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Hello,

I am a health care worker (pharmacist) and I can vouch for the sugar.

Syrups are made with a sugar content greater than 70% to inhibit bacterial and mold growth.

I had a customer many years ago who would pack an abcess in his cattle with dry sugar with good success.

It works as an osmotic dessicant literally sucking the fluid out of living organisms.

[ThePythonicCow]

Pam Thompson is her name, and her little cottage industry is called Giving Ground
Thanks, Dennis. My son has begun learning the healing arts. Earlier this week, he mentioned to me that he hoped to study herbs as part of this.

[TWINNICK]

Another very old story I heard(have not tried it yet, but I will) is to pack a wound or cut with a spiders web, to stop the bleeding.

I've been told that it works very well.

Native Australian bee's don't have a sting, so you can gather their honey and larvae for food and the wax cones can be used for repairing items, even be used just for something to chew on.

It would be very pure honey and good for all honey's great medicinal purposes.

..Nick..

[Icecold]

Hi Twinnick, the plant 'fennel' will do the same thing. I've used it on myself in the past. Laid on a wound and bandaged, will stop bleeding and speeds up wound healing. Fennel grows wild in many places.

[TWINNICK]

Just remembered another one which I have used heaps of times over the years, I used to get cuts on my fingers in the workshop (jeweller) and was so into what I was doing and didn't want to stop doing what I was doing because of a band aid or bandage.

You need to hold very small pieces sometimes, so I would superglue the wound shut, wait until it dried(a couple of minutes ) and then keep on working. It never fails to work and lasts through a couple of washes or showers with out any scrubbing of course and if you have to,you can add more super glue .

Cyanoacrylate (spelling) is the stuff but I have used other types. Pasco superglue is what I have in my first aid kit now.

I believe super glue was invented during the Vietnam war, I have read somewhere about it years ago. A mash doctor in Vietnam got in contact with a scientist he knew back in the USA and asked him to come up with something quick setting to hold cut and severed veins and arteries closed so he could get on with fixing other parts of wounded soldiers instead of the long time it took to stitch them up(micro surgery not really being an option in a hurry).

So after a few trial and errors they came across a formula that actually did what they were trying to achieve. Super glue was born.

..Nick..

[TWINNICK]

Hi Twinnick, the plant 'fennel' will do the same thing. I've used it on myself in the past. Laid on a wound and bandaged, will stop bleeding and speeds up wound healing. Fennel grows wild in many places.


Hi Icecold: Yes thanks for that, its everywhere. See it all growing wild by the side of the roads.

I just learnt something new, more to add to my memory banks me calls the grey matter. LOL.

..Nick..

[sister]

Another very old story I heard(have not tried it yet, but I will) is to pack a wound or cut with a spiders web, to stop the bleeding.

I've been told that it works very well.

Native Australian bee's don't have a sting, so you can gather their honey and larvae for food and the wax cones can be used for repairing items, even be used just for something to chew on.

It would be very pure honey and good for all honey's great medicinal purposes.

..Nick..

Hi Nick,
Just want to say that my dad fell off a ladder when he was very young and his grandmother packed his wound with spider web. It did in fact stop the bleeding, and when my grandmother (his mom) later took him to see a GP, the doctor told her that most of those old-time remedies really do work.

--sis

[sister]

Saw this today on the Survivalist blog and wanted to share: How to Make and Use Spruce Pitch Salve http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/survival-homestead/spruce-pitch-salve/

Some uses, according to the author:
Use on spider and other insect bites and stings
To prevent or cure infections of ugly scrapes
As a natural, safe and effective underarm deodorant
As a lip balm and hand cream to help kill germs and prevent illness
To increase circulation and speed healing of a sprained ankle
It makes homemade soap smell fantastic!

[Carmen]

I haven't any of the posts on this thread, I'm responding to the title. My family and I have been learning about remedies for injuries and healing in difficult times and are learning and collecting medical type supplies.

This week I was faced with my pregnant having been caught in a wire fence and most of the flesh taken off the front of her leg!! Nasty! She has lost a front flexor tendon, but is putting weight on the leg tenderly. With the idea in mind that there may not be vets available in the future I thought I would allow it to heal by itself with the aid of manuca honey. I have used this on horses very successfully. Anyway, I'm not the best of nurses being rather squeamish so ended up getting the vet in on Easter Sunday!!$$$$$. He gave her all the necessary shots and bandaged the leg. That evening I met a cattle rancher from Canada, and after describing my poor mare, he said to take off the bandages, hose her leg with cold water two or three times a day, and throw powdered lime onto the wound. He reckons thats all they do with their working horses and wounds heal fine, with no proud flesh. Sooo, this is what I have done. If this works the way this Canadian rancher said it will, it's a very cheap and effective healing remedy, that doesn't need costly or unavailable vets

[Richie_asg1]

What I find interesting is that the Ancient Egyptians treated bad wounds as follows: - 1. Slap a piece of raw meat on the wound to stop bleeding. 2. Apply a thick layer of honey, finally, when closed, apply a poultice of mouldy bread.
I would like to know how they developed or knew about this, and why it took so long for the west to discover penicillin.

I don't propose to know the full biochemistry of their system, but I presume the red blood cells of both the meat and body part would clot quicker in proximity to the wrong blood type. Honey as we know is a good antibacterial, and the mouldy bread contains penecillin.
I used to keep bees, and there is a product called propylis which is a redish brown and used by the bees as glue. Mixed with a small ammount of alcohol it becomes tincture of propylis - and is excellent at covering mouth ulcers.

[shadowstalker]

I'm glad you guys agree that it might be a handy product to have around.
Any info or product that keeps me from seeing a doctor is handy product

[Simonm]

If you cut yourself out in the woods with no FAK, you can use a Birch Polypore fungus (google it) as a temp self adhesive dressing. If, in your provisions you have Honey, then that is the perfect antiseptic to use on wounds. It kills germs and aids healing.