HELP-METH-The Failing System-I NEED ASSISTANCE

[Sidney]

I recently moved into a Duplex where I believe there is meth cooking being done in the other end of the structure or the attic.

I smell the fumes.
I have physical reactions to these fumes.
I have called the Local task force, they say they will look into it
I have filed a complaint via the FBI tips website
I have put a call into the District Attorney in my county
I have contacted my landlords, and they are willing to help any way they can, however the laws to protect the landlord from forgiving a lease, unless there is direct proof.

So far, nothing has been done. (its been 3 days since my first call to authorities)
My original call was taken with interest, but I have ongoing concerns/questions regarding MY rights to a safe place to live. However I feel I am being ignored and will soon have to abandon my own home.


After researching online, it seems that the laws are set up to benefit the drug cookers.

As a tenant in a structure that is not owned by me, I have no rights.

The police in most cases say they cannot just come knocking on someones door for "no reason".

NO REASON????????????????? REALLY how about a family of humans and animals being poisoned. Is that not reason enough? I find this to be a deliberate attempt to our further assault on law abiding citizens.


If you have a gas leak, or a CO2 alarm go off, they come and evacuate a building. Why are there not electronic detectors available for this. It would be easy peasy to find a meth lab if something like this existed. The alarm sounds, the police come make a sweep, either they find a contaminated living space or not.

I am frustrated and thoroughly pissed off at this point. I will have to abandon my home, and continue paying rent. Because there are no laws in place to protect the tenant.

I have ordered a swipe test kit to test my area for contamination. If it is positive, the landlords are responsible for cleanup. However that does not fix the ongoing problem and potential hazard of a spontaneous explosion.

Meth has been around LONG ENOUGH for there to be viable solutions/help in place for the many victims of second hand meth. There are laws in place regarding second hand cigarette smoke. What a EFFING JOKE. But nothing to protect innocent people/children/and animals from meth toxicity. Unbelievable.

I can only assume this is a deliberate system set up to assist the criminals ever flowing income.

What can you do? Send prayers and positive energy my way, I have been through so much in the last year, now I have this to contend with. I really am at my wits end.

I have arranged for my daughter to be elsewhere, until I can figure out my next move, but as for me, I have nowhere else to go.

I have discovered through researching just the last couple days, that this is a HUGE problem in the United States, especially in the midwest. And the utter negligence toward the environmental impact of such, is IMO one more weapon against humanity.

There is a huge percentage of rentals that are contaminated. If you are going to rent or purchase a home, buy the swipe test and give yourself a piece of mind. I wish I had known about this when I was looking for a place to live. My God. The cruel lessons we have to learn.

Any advice that could help me to get these perps busted would be very appreciated.

[Flash]

You have your own solution: a gaz leak, the alarm goes off. Get a detector for gaz leak and have it put near their cooking place by the building owner, and let the alarm go off. Make sure the police and firemen understand they have to look in that place in particular. Usually, they will be glad to do so, unless their own family or friends or money are involved. We did that for a building nearby, but through building laws and repair laws.

The problem arise if the cooking tenant feel the hot soup. They often have their lab explode to leave no trace before police get there. On the other hand, other competing gangs often have a lab explose as well, so better it be caused by you guys setting alarms off.

Police cannot intervene unless they have proofs. For this, they need enough Manpower, and they make an inquest that goes on for months, collecting proofs, and hoping neighbours will help. Some of my neighbours have been threatens by drug dealers because they though they were snitches, which was not the case. We were all snitches, dozens of houses. We went a longer route because teengager prostitiution was also involved and we wanted the girls safe.

In other words, let firemen and police in to go through, by law, all the places in the building including and mostly the lab. A fire alarm or gaz detection is surely the best. Then, they inadvertently discover a meth lab, they can get rid of it and sue the owners in court. Otherwise, not much can be done.

[TargeT]

call the police and tell them there is a domestic disturbance at the residence in question, tell them you heard screams, fighting then silence.. tell them you are afraid some poor woman lost her life or is in danger of doing so, sound a bit dramatic, ham it up ....

OR :

you heard screaming next door then gunshots.


ever hear that you shouldn't yell "rape" when being raped, you should yell "fire" ?

this is kinda like that.. your a smart one, use that brain, unfortunately it will be to manipulate people into doing what you want... but hey, when the slaves fight back I don't begrudge them using the system of their masters to their own benefit.


Also: how do you know it's meth, what signs are there or evidence that you are worried about?

if it's really a meth lab, then the "cook" is probably an addict or at least user as well, the lights will be on all the time (these people don't sleep) and there will be other signs, if this is the case you can narrow in your police manipulation even more to greater effect.

[Flash]

Fine, Target's ideas are fine too, just don't let the met cooks know it comes from you.

[Sidney]

call the police and tell them there is a domestic disturbance at the residence in question, tell them you heard screams, fighting then silence.. tell them you are afraid some poor woman lost her life or is in danger of doing so, sound a bit dramatic, ham it up ....

OR :

you heard screaming next door then gunshots.




ever hear that you shouldn't yell "rape" when being raped, you should yell "fire" ?



this is kinda like that.. your a smart one, use that brain, unfortunately it will be to manipulate people into doing what you want... but hey, when the slaves fight back I don't begrudge them using the system of their masters to their own benefit.


Also: how do you know it's meth, what signs are there or evidence that you are worried about?

if it's really a meth lab, then the "cook" is probably an addict or at least user as well, the lights will be on all the time (these people don't sleep) and there will be other signs, if this is the case you can narrow in your police manipulation even more to greater effect.

The signs are all there. Secretive, windows all covered, they take their garbage elsewhere to dispose, strange traffic, and I smell it. The smell is a no brainer. it simply cannot be anything else. Sketchy looking people going in and out, but I NEVER see the tenant that actually supposedly lives there.

Oh did I mention that I can smell it. And it is making me sick. All my symptoms match the listed meth exposure sympeoms. I am going to do the urine test too to see if I am officially contaminated. Not sure is a small amount will show up, but if there is enough in the air to make me sick, it may show up in my urine.


There is no gas in my building. everything is electric. So the gas alarm won't work. But the smoke alarm is an option. :)

[Flash]

you can put a gaz alarm where there is no gaz, more of a proof if it starts

there must be detectors that ca be brought to the police, air sample, etc. As long as they have proofs not collected by them without warrant, but from complaints, they can act. If the firemen are involved, better because they are by law authorize to enter apartment by force if there is fire danger.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

the Methademic is not an easy one to deal with. Meth addiction is very powerful and meth users will do anything to keep using it, hence why they make it.

Do you have access to the attic ? How long is your lease ? these are the first two things id be worried about. Secondly please do not let the Meth addicts know its you making the complaint. Do they know ?

I can tell you now you are in a possible situation if you don't play your cards right.

N

[Crystine]

Are there ant children in the building? Call whatever office where you live amounts to children's protective services.

[Sidney]

None at the perps house. Only mine. :(

[TargeT]

The signs are all there. Secretive, windows all covered, they take their garbage elsewhere to dispose, strange traffic, and I smell it. The smell is a no brainer. it simply cannot be anything else. Sketchy looking people going in and out, but I NEVER see the tenant that actually supposedly lives there.

Oh did I mention that I can smell it. And it is making me sick. All my symptoms match the listed meth exposure sympeoms. I am going to do the urine test too to see if I am officially contaminated. Not sure is a small amount will show up, but if there is enough in the air to make me sick, it may show up in my urine.


There is no gas in my building. everything is electric. So the gas alarm won't work. But the smoke alarm is an option. :)

There isn't any single odor that would be a tip-off for meth production, but several chemicals waft distinctive odors, not like you would want your house to smell. Examples of odors from a meth lab might be a sweet ether smell, acrid chemical fume, ammonia or cat urine odor, or rotten egg sulfurous stink (depending on the method of cooking).

some people are just weird, what you've listed so far doesn't seem (from my reading text on a screen) overly conclusive.. though obviously I'm missing 90% of the puzzle ;)

you see meth labs don't actually contaminate with "meth" at least, not mostly... it's mostly the improper handling of the various other chemicals used... so testing yourself for meth won't be very effective.

[Billy]

I think the authorities should take this seriously. But you may have to be more patient while they do their investigations. this will take more than 3 days. Monitoring their comings and goings and Gathering proof before they strike.

phone again and ask if they are following up on your previous communications.

Hope it works out. Be careful.

[Sidney]

The signs are all there. Secretive, windows all covered, they take their garbage elsewhere to dispose, strange traffic, and I smell it. The smell is a no brainer. it simply cannot be anything else. Sketchy looking people going in and out, but I NEVER see the tenant that actually supposedly lives there.

Oh did I mention that I can smell it. And it is making me sick. All my symptoms match the listed meth exposure sympeoms. I am going to do the urine test too to see if I am officially contaminated. Not sure is a small amount will show up, but if there is enough in the air to make me sick, it may show up in my urine.


There is no gas in my building. everything is electric. So the gas alarm won't work. But the smoke alarm is an option. :)

There isn't any single odor that would be a tip-off for meth production, but several chemicals waft distinctive odors, not like you would want your house to smell. Examples of odors from a meth lab might be a sweet ether smell, acrid chemical fume, ammonia or cat urine odor, or rotten egg sulfurous stink (depending on the method of cooking).

some people are just weird, what you've listed so far doesn't seem (from my reading text on a screen) overly conclusive.. though obviously I'm missing 90% of the puzzle ;)

you see meth labs don't actually contaminate with "meth" at least, not mostly... it's mostly the improper handling of the various other chemicals used... so testing yourself for meth won't be very effective.

YOu are wrong. Meth production contaminates EVERYTHING in its path. I have been researching this and if you saw what I see and smell, you would also know what I know.

The dude coming in and out of there is EXTREMELY paranoid. They have their windows all blacked out. Who does that??? They sneak around removing their garbage elsewhere.

There are two garages between my apt theirs. the only way I would ever hear or smell anything from anyone is if they were in the attic.
These are nice apartments and the attic space is just an attic. I hear them up there at all hours of the night,(this is people OTHER than the tenant that rents the apt), that person is NEVER there.

The smell, smells like burnt ether. It is toxic and I AM being poisoned. I live in an area where meth labs are not uncommon. Poverty is on the rise, as is crime and alternative ways to make income.

If meth is being cooked in the building, the fumes penetrate wallboard, wood and insulation. Meth molecule is smaller than pollen, it gets in EVERYTHING. It costs tens of thousands to do cleanup. THE PRODUCTION AND USE OF METH DOES CREATE CONTAMINATION. I dont know where you get the idea that it does not directly contaminate.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Meth labs stink up a place for months after its gone.

So Sidney did you see my questions ?

[Sidney]

I think the authorities should take this seriously. But you may have to be more patient while they do their investigations. this will take more than 3 days. Monitoring their comings and goings and Gathering proof before they strike.

phone again and ask if they are following up on your previous communications.

Hope it works out. Be careful.

Hi Billyji - I have called three time in the last 2 days, to get more information. No phone call back. Im sorry, but a dangerous situation like this, a 2 minute phone call could relieve me of some of the burden that i face at the moment. My landlords have also tried to contact them, and they also are being ignored. The thing is, we are all suppose to be on the same side. Between the landlord and me and the authorities, if we keep in communication at least initially, we together could set up a plan. Plant some cameras, SOMETHING. Doing nothing, does nothing.

[sheme]

Call the fire brigade and tell them you can smell volatile gas/or carbon monoxide tell them your symptoms. In UK they would turn up.

[golden lady]

Sidney this sounds an awful situation. Sorry i have No solutions. Officialdom does seem to take its time. You say he's parnoid so I am concerned about you and yours safety so please don't do anything rash and take matters in to your own hands.
Thinking of you take care. X

[Crystine]

Lots of advice for you. Maybe one will work. Try health department or maybe animal control. (Something similar) tell them there are rats in the attic.

[TargeT]

If meth is being cooked in the building, the fumes penetrate wallboard, wood and insulation. Meth molecule is smaller than pollen, it gets in EVERYTHING. It costs tens of thousands to do cleanup. THE PRODUCTION AND USE OF METH DOES CREATE CONTAMINATION. I dont know where you get the idea that it does not directly contaminate.

I lived in a high meth production area, worked with counter drug and my mom is an addiction councilor. when I said the meth is usually not the direct contaminant; my statement is pretty accurate, it's the nasty chemicals used in cooking that are dangerous; Methamphetamine in it's pure form is actually not that bad for you... good luck finding it anywhere close to it's pure form however; these back-yard-chemists put some pretty crazy **** into their mixes & its usually highly toxic.

if they are in the crawl space & it's shared... why not pop up there sometime you are sure no one is home, snap a couple of photos? if you hear them up there that's probably the area they are using.

Just a bit of devils advocate here though:

I dispose of my trash myself & I've had my windows covered in tinfoil before.. and I never cooked meth.. now, I didn't have some acrid chemical smell permeating my house either; don't assign emotion to my posts, I'm very neutral right now just trying to make sure all your bases are covered, which sometimes involves a bit of explanation on your part which make make you feel defensive, I'm just trying to help you exercise the complete thought process, the ideas/questions I'm bringing up will probably come up again.

another warning: shared crawl spaces /attics are a common "break in" path, especially when the judgmentally impaired (aka addicts of any form) are involved. it would be worth investigating the crawl space just to verify if it is indeed connected or not with no barrier.



I think the authorities should take this seriously. But you may have to be more patient while they do their investigations. this will take more than 3 days. Monitoring their comings and goings and Gathering proof before they strike.

phone again and ask if they are following up on your previous communications.

Hope it works out. Be careful.

Hi Billyji - I have called three time in the last 2 days, to get more information. No phone call back. Im sorry, but a dangerous situation like this, a 2 minute phone call could relieve me of some of the burden that i face at the moment. My landlords have also tried to contact them, and they also are being ignored. The thing is, we are all suppose to be on the same side. Between the landlord and me and the authorities, if we keep in communication at least initially, we together could set up a plan. Plant some cameras, SOMETHING. Doing nothing, does nothing.

next time you call, tell them you want a police report number & the name of the assigned officer... unfortunately you have to know how to speak bureaucrat with these agencies sometimes...

and remember this: The "officers" are there to actually protect corporate interests, you are not a corporate interest, you are a source of income to "officers" (even if they (the officers) do not fully understand this, it is how all their policies are written and how they actually work) So, approach it from that mind set and it's a bit easier to tackle, you just have to get them to understand that an asset is in danger of loosing it's monitization for the "officers" & they usually respond quickly (that's why i suggested the domestic violence route, they have to respond to certain situations, suspected drug cooking is usually not one of them).

[Vitalux]

I recently moved into a Duplex where I believe there is meth cooking being done in the other end of the structure or the attic.


Move to a new apartment.

Until you moved in, there was no problem. :noidea:

[RunningDeer]

Don't pay the rent, they'll kick you out. Health trumps credit score especially with your lyme's disease. If you are worried about financial repercussions put your rent check in escrow until something is done. "Get out" is what I want to say, but I know that's easier said than done. First months, last months, references, etc.

Let the landlord know that you and your family are experiencing failing health symptoms. Will his/her insurance cover for your medical cost? Bogus, but will make him/her think you are not worth the trouble and release you from your lease.

Is there a way to find out the name of the homeowners insure company? If they knew there's potential for fire/explosion hazard, people will take action. Hit them in their pocketbooks.

[Sidney]

If meth is being cooked in the building, the fumes penetrate wallboard, wood and insulation. Meth molecule is smaller than pollen, it gets in EVERYTHING. It costs tens of thousands to do cleanup. THE PRODUCTION AND USE OF METH DOES CREATE CONTAMINATION. I dont know where you get the idea that it does not directly contaminate.

I lived in a high meth production area, worked with counter drug and my mom is an addiction councilor. when I said the meth is usually not the direct contaminant; my statement is pretty accurate, it's the nasty chemicals used in cooking that are dangerous; Methamphetamine in it's pure form is actually not that bad for you... good luck finding it anywhere close to it's pure form however; these back-yard-chemists put some pretty crazy **** into their mixes & its usually highly toxic.

if they are in the crawl space & it's shared... why not pop up there sometime you are sure no one is home, snap a couple of photos? if you hear them up there that's probably the area they are using.

Just a bit of devils advocate here though:

I dispose of my trash myself & I've had my windows covered in tinfoil before.. and I never cooked meth.. now, I didn't have some acrid chemical smell permeating my house either; don't assign emotion to my posts, I'm very neutral right now just trying to make sure all your bases are covered, which sometimes involves a bit of explanation on your part which make make you feel defensive, I'm just trying to help you exercise the complete thought process, the ideas/questions I'm bringing up will probably come up again.

another warning: shared crawl spaces /attics are a common "break in" path, especially when the judgmentally impaired (aka addicts of any form) are involved. it would be worth investigating the crawl space just to verify if it is indeed connected or not with no barrier.



I think the authorities should take this seriously. But you may have to be more patient while they do their investigations. this will take more than 3 days. Monitoring their comings and goings and Gathering proof before they strike.

phone again and ask if they are following up on your previous communications.

Hope it works out. Be careful.

Hi Billyji - I have called three time in the last 2 days, to get more information. No phone call back. Im sorry, but a dangerous situation like this, a 2 minute phone call could relieve me of some of the burden that i face at the moment. My landlords have also tried to contact them, and they also are being ignored. The thing is, we are all suppose to be on the same side. Between the landlord and me and the authorities, if we keep in communication at least initially, we together could set up a plan. Plant some cameras, SOMETHING. Doing nothing, does nothing.

next time you call, tell them you want a police report number & the name of the assigned officer... unfortunately you have to know how to speak bureaucrat with these agencies sometimes...

and remember this: The "officers" are there to actually protect corporate interests, you are not a corporate interest, you are a source of income to "officers" (even if they (the officers) do not fully understand this, it is how all their policies are written and how they actually work) So, approach it from that mind set and it's a bit easier to tackle, you just have to get them to understand that an asset is in danger of loosing it's monitization for the "officers" & they usually respond quickly (that's why i suggested the domestic violence route, they have to respond to certain situations, suspected drug cooking is usually not one of them).

No Crawl, House is on a slab. Attic is accessible only to them, not me. I would have to break the law in order to get a peak. I could drill a hole and stick a snake cam, but I risk being found out by the perps if I do that. they are up there most of the day. I have no way of knowing when the coast would be clear to do it.
I would be risking my life. The landlord however is on my side, and he does have rights as a building owner. I am just in a panic because this is all new to me, and I already have health problems, and now this. I know things don't happen over night. When your kids are in danger, the fight or flight kicks in and doesn't go away until they are safe. All I would really like is a phone call, to let me know that x y and z are being done etc. But No communication is an insult. I have paid taxes all my life, and when you need help from the system it is never there. Frustrating.

[Nasu]

Ask a friend to call anonymously to the PD giving a tip about a woman held captive at that address for years....???...x... N

[Sidney]

I recently moved into a Duplex where I believe there is meth cooking being done in the other end of the structure or the attic.


Move to a new apartment.

Until you moved in, there was no problem. :noidea:

You know how much it costs to move? I am exhausted, because I just got moved in. It is my right to have a safe place to live. I am not going to let the CRIMINALS do this to us. I dont have two thousand dollars to put down on a place to move to. If moving was a viable option, thats what I would do, but I am going to fight for what is right, first.

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Don't pay the rent, they'll kick you out. Or put your rent check in escrow until something is done. (Health trumps credit score especially with your lyme's disease.)

Let the landlord know that you and your family are experiencing failing health symptoms. Will his/her insurance cover for your medical cost? Bogus, but will make him/her think you are not worth the trouble and release you from your lease.

Is there a way to find out the name of the homeowners insure company? If they knew there's potential for fire/explosion hazard, people will take action. Hit them in their pocketbooks.

Paulal, that is a GREAT idea. Insurance companies will cover their A** every time.

[Sidney]

the Methademic is not an easy one to deal with. Meth addiction is very powerful and meth users will do anything to keep using it, hence why they make it.

Do you have access to the attic ? How long is your lease ? these are the first two things id be worried about. Secondly please do not let the Meth addicts know its you making the complaint. Do they know ?

I can tell you now you are in a possible situation if you don't play your cards right.

N

Hi Nanoo, sorry I missed your post first time around. I do not have attic access. And, yes, my greatest fear is retaliation. and I know I cannot expect instant solution. I have to "play my cards right", like you said. I am afraid to be here, but I am afraid to leave too. However, surveilance cameras are on my grocery list.

[TargeT]

Don't pay the rent, they'll kick you out. Or put your rent check in escrow until something is done. (Health trumps credit score especially with your lyme's disease.)

Let the landlord know that you and your family are experiencing failing health symptoms. Will his/her insurance cover for your medical cost? Bogus, but will make him/her think you are not worth the trouble and release you from your lease.

Is there a way to find out the name of the homeowners insure company? If they knew there's potential for fire/explosion hazard, people will take action. Hit them in their pocketbooks.

Paulal, that is a GREAT idea. Insurance companies will cover their A** every time.

it's good to hear that your landlord is on your side, but if nothing is happening that's not going to help the situation at all...

if the police manipulation route is distasteful and you cannot access the attic (very very rare that this is the case, there' usually an access port somewhere, in a closet or bathroom or somewhere) then perhaps you need to lean on your landlord a bit...

you could tell her/him that if something satisfactory is not done you will do what paula said about escrow and/or be purchasing one of these: http://www.pureairpurewater.com/product/33/Chemical_Indoor_Air_Quality_Test_Kit_with_Professional_Certified_Laboratory_Analysis_Written_Report_ and_Consultation out of the cost of your rent (and of course will pay him back should the results come back negative, which is unlikely from what you are saying). At this point you will have actual evidence that is admissible in court (something "officers" love... they want the easy home run), at this point you don't have any real tangible evidence; so you need to either lie and get police to investigate (chemical smells will tip them off) or provide evidence, which an air test with sky high acetone levels is a very very strong indicator of illegal activity, and a definite positive indicator of dangerous living conditions (and a route to getting free of your lease & deposits).

you've got a few options here it seems...


surveilance cameras are on my grocery list.

a cheap web cam or two with long USB (or the wireless type) are pretty darn cheap and a great idea :clap2:

[Sidney]

For the record. I do not have proof that they are cooking meth. I have known this all along.
But through my research, I conclude that there is good reason for me to believe, that this is what is going on.

My symptoms are, rise in body temp
fever
burning nose
dizziness
racing heart
headache
itching where skin is expose to air
itching throat
and the symptoms only occur during the presence of the stench seeping through the ceiling
my cats are sneezing

If nothing is done, then I will have no choice but to vacate the premises. But I am counting on that not happening. I have to go for now, to get my kids things to temporarily move her out. (yes its that bad)

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Don't pay the rent, they'll kick you out. Or put your rent check in escrow until something is done. (Health trumps credit score especially with your lyme's disease.)

Let the landlord know that you and your family are experiencing failing health symptoms. Will his/her insurance cover for your medical cost? Bogus, but will make him/her think you are not worth the trouble and release you from your lease.

Is there a way to find out the name of the homeowners insure company? If they knew there's potential for fire/explosion hazard, people will take action. Hit them in their pocketbooks.

Paulal, that is a GREAT idea. Insurance companies will cover their A** every time.

it's good to hear that your landlord is on your side, but if nothing is happening that's not going to help the situation at all...

if the police manipulation route is distasteful and you cannot access the attic (very very rare that this is the case, there' usually an access port somewhere, in a closet or bathroom or somewhere) then perhaps you need to lean on your landlord a bit...

you could tell her/him that if something satisfactory is not done you will do what paula said about escrow and/or be purchasing one of these: http://www.pureairpurewater.com/product/33/Chemical_Indoor_Air_Quality_Test_Kit_with_Professional_Certified_Laboratory_Analysis_Written_Report_ and_Consultation out of the cost of your rent (and of course will pay him back should the results come back negative, which is unlikely from what you are saying). At this point you will have actual evidence that is admissible in court (something "officers" love... they want the easy home run), at this point you don't have any real tangible evidence; so you need to either lie and get police to investigate (chemical smells will tip them off) or provide evidence, which an air test with sky high acetone levels is a very very strong indicator of illegal activity, and a definite positive indicator of dangerous living conditions (and a route to getting free of your lease & deposits).

you've got a few options here it seems...


surveilance cameras are on my grocery list.

a cheap web cam or two with long USB (or the wireless type) are pretty darn cheap and a great idea :clap2:

Landlord is going to come over to check the leaky roof this weekend. He needs attic access for that :)

[Snowflower]

Make sure you have documentation about the complaints you have filed, then move out and do not pay rent. File lawsuit against them before they file for lease violation, and have yours "failure to provide safe living space". Do not follow advice for false call to police because that could backfire against you.

[Snowflower]

PS. Your life and health is more important than a contract or rent money. Don't sit there trying for help while being sick - get out first, then try for help. Health trumps "right."

[Sidney]

Make sure you have documentation about the complaints you have filed, then move out and do not pay rent. File lawsuit against them before they file for lease violation, and have yours "failure to provide safe living space". Do not follow advice for false call to police because that could backfire against you.

Yes I have been keeping documentation of all calls. Time date, duration etc. Also documenting all coming and goings next door, and noise, smell, when it starts, and the direct coordination of the smell with my immune response to such.

Sux, I could be enjoying my life right now.

Also, if nothing is done, i will get the media involved.

[jagman]

So sorry to hear about this situation Sidney. It sounds like It's time to fight fire with fire Sidney.
Meth heads are notoriously paranoid when they are tweeking or cooking. Just use your imagination
Sidney. If they have to dump their batch down the toilet a few times they will start cooking
somewhere else. Unfortunately this will not stop them from smoking it in their residence.
Remember they are very dangerous when their in these altered states.
Stay safe Sidney.

[Sidney]

I also want to note, that we have regular garbage pick up here. She has a garbage can, and even took it to the curb once, (I looked in it, it was empty) so that cans trip to the end of the driveway was for show. people don't hide their garbage for no reason.
People also don't hang out in attics for no reason either. Like I said, these are pretty nice apartments. If your hanging in the attic, something is up.

[Crystine]

Well Sidney, after so much advice......the solution has, perhaps been provided. Rain. A leaky roof. In the nick of time. Remain hopeful.

[Flash]

getting the media involved???? Very risky, you will have to go public and will be a retaliation target. Also, there is thousands of these labs in every city, unless there is an explosion or murder, it is not that interesting for the media.

Get out of there, get the fireman in, get the insurers in, but please, keep being anonymous. YOu have at least 20 ways to go in the previous posts, take the ones more suitable to your situation but protect yourself first and foremost. you children need you. These drug addict on meth ARE dangerous people, really dangerous. You would protect yourself against polar bears or tigers right? You are in the same spot right now if you confront by leaving your name and adress in any possible way. Anonymous is the rule here.

[Sidney]

Well Sidney, after so much advice......the solution has, perhaps been provided. Rain. A leaky roof. In the nick of time. Remain hopeful.

Agreed, rain may be the saving grace. Love your avatar BTW.

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getting the media involved???? Very risky, you will have to go public and will be a retaliation target. Also, there is thousands of these labs in every city, unless there is an explosion or murder, it is not that interesting for the media.

Get out of there, get the fireman in, get the insurers in, but please, keep being anonymous. YOu have at least 20 ways to go in the previous posts, take the ones more suitable to your situation but protect yourself first and foremost. you children need you. These drug addict on meth ARE dangerous people, really dangerous. You would protect yourself against polar bears or tigers right? You are in the same spot right now if you confront by leaving your name and adress in any possible way. Anonymous is the rule here.

Thank you for that. You are correct. I change my stance regarding the media. I will keep it to myself :) BIg Hug

[Guest]

Sidney,

I wish you well and good health. You need to get out of there.

Call your local Fire Dept. they have a HazMat dept. Hazardous Material. and tell them you smell noxious fumes coming from and out of the apartment next to yours. They have to investigate.

But get out of there.


Love

Nora

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Ok all i can advise you is what i would do.

First write a letter of complaint to the land lord sent registered mail. In the letter tell them there is a serious problem with description ( brief ) if there is nothing done in the next 7 days you will file to dissolve the rental agreement and leave.

I would then pack and start looking for another place to live. You have no control over their situation but you do have control over yours. Dont make your self a target.

Look for a new place , have a good snif around to make sure there aint no meth labs.

thats your best solution.

N

[spiritguide]

Straight up call the county health department and tell them that you have toxic fumes in your apt. and you would like an inspector over to tell you if it is safe. They get paid for this and should have air sampling equipment. Just tell them it seems to be coming from your attic area. They get or should get monies from the feds in conjunction with the federal clean air act. Put it on the health department and if they find illegal conditions they are mandated to report it to authorities for corrective action. Don't ask for help, file a complaint, they have to follow up on complaints. If you act ignorant of meth and its symptoms and they find a lab then you get off the snitch hook. Tell them you think it is a high concentration of formaldehyde or it smells similar. Always give authorities a chance to be heroes they move faster thinking it is their idea. lol Just my two cents.

Peace!

[Billy]

I think the authorities should take this seriously. But you may have to be more patient while they do their investigations. this will take more than 3 days. Monitoring their comings and goings and Gathering proof before they strike.

phone again and ask if they are following up on your previous communications.

Hope it works out. Be careful.

Hi Billyji - I have called three time in the last 2 days, to get more information. No phone call back. Im sorry, but a dangerous situation like this, a 2 minute phone call could relieve me of some of the burden that i face at the moment. My landlords have also tried to contact them, and they also are being ignored. The thing is, we are all suppose to be on the same side. Between the landlord and me and the authorities, if we keep in communication at least initially, we together could set up a plan. Plant some cameras, SOMETHING. Doing nothing, does nothing.

I am not sure about your government rep's where you are, In the UK my next step would be contacting my Local MP and demand a reply from the police through his office. By Law in the UK the MP has to carry out your request and respond within 21 days. The landlord could also contact the local government rep.

I do not recommend spinning any tales to attract the attention off the police or fire brigade ect, This could backfire on you.

If your family is now fine, Go stay with a friend for a few days, Keep calm and truthful.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hm, sorry to hear you are in such a bad situation Sid, I can relate, my neighbors are junkies and twenty people a day ( at least) walk in and out and up and down the stairs, leave the shared front door open ( 6 apartments in the building), bikes get stolen, wrappers ( gnomie mail), lots of noise and arguments, dealers, ammonia stench, empty baggies on the stairs, markings in the hallway to show the customers the way up, blah blah the whole shebang.

Went to the housing department 3 times, they told me "hey man, you just live on their route", they do not take my word for it, they have to build up a case first, that means I have to do it FOR THEM, meaning that in that case I am not only bothered by all of the above, including dumbasses so sh!tfaced and high as giraffe@ssy that they cant even find the correct doorbell and wake me up three times a night, sometimes I ring their doorbell, barge in and try to pick a fight, which scares the hell out of them to be honest, on their on ground in a room full of people who just look at me like they just got caught, which is true, after that its usually quite for a week or so but then the whole crap starts all over again, they cant help it, I also have to make notes standing in front of a peephole to check who and how many at what time they get visits ( I know I can be somewhat of an @sshole but now I have to be STASI and I hate that, I am more confrontational and rather be smack bang in your face than a rat) so they own my life basically, so housing tellsl me to go to the police, so I did, twice, they cant help either, this is because of the shared front door to the apartments, they posted once for half a day and they know their faces and names already but they can not see through a wood front door who they are going to visit, so, f@ck me twice eh, I actually work with youth with behavioral issues, the homeless and drug addicts and psychiatric clients, but 9 hours a day is plenty good enough for me, so when I am of work I often feel the urge to throw Molotov cocktails despite my humongous heart, this whole issue has led to a burnout, so I am at home currently to enjoy the whole frigging show and hope they overdose to spare the rest of the world a lot of trouble and money, since they are on welfare I already pay their bills and dope, but enough is enough, some people cant be helped and they sure as hell aren't going to help themselves, they rather kill as much others by selling them sh!t that will end their lives sooner as well ( no insight or conscience left), I might just sound a little bit harsh here, I understand, but I have already heard so many many stories it doesn't really affect me that much anymore, if they want to talk and help, make an appointment, when I am at home, they can go screw themselves, they should stop being a drain and stop complaining about the injustice in the world, I have been an addict, got over it and it isn't all that special either. Life isn't fair at all, we all have to work with it.

Well whooptidoo, that was nice;)

Hope your issues get resolved soon Sid, peace of mind and feeling safe in your house and life is very important. Don't let them blow you up, better yet DONT blow yourself up over this either, I am serious here. Best of luck.

Edgar

[Crystine]

A lot of dark came up on several forums today. Hopefully there will also be an appropriate amount of healing for those of you that are in distress. My good thoughts and prayers go out to all members, and especially those who are facing trouble at this time.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

If nothing is done, then I will have no choice but to vacate the premises. But I am counting on that not happening. I have to go for now, to get my kids things to temporarily move her out. (yes its that bad)

Throw an anonymous note in their mailbox, write, 'Unfriendly greetings from Shallow Grave restaurant, you are cooking on our turf' sign it with 'Chef"

See if that improves the air quality in your house.

[Carmody]

If I was there.

I'd dress up differently, with clothes from the local place where used clothes are sold at low prices.

Then, I'd go to the local hardware store, or one far away ..and buy a can of florescent pink, or something suitable...ketone based spray paint. Something that is really hard to wash off. Automotive spray paint.

And, when it is known to be very quiet..3am or what not... write, in big letters..METH LAB..all over the front of that given town house.

Go home via a circuitous route, dump the can..and then get rid of the clothes.

But, that is my choice, my way of doing things. You have at least one young person to take care of, from what I gather. which changes the risk evaluation equation.

As a single person, for me (if it was my personal situation).... it is, to me, an acceptable risk.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

If i was there.

I'd dress up differently, with clothes from the local place where used clothes are sold at low prices.

Then, I'd got the local hardware, or one far away ..and buy a can of floursecent pink, or something suitable...ketone based paint. something that is really hard to wash off. Automotive paint.

And, when it is known to be very quiet..3am or what not... write, in big letters..METH LAB..all over the front of that given town house.

Go home via a circuitous route, dump the can..and then get rid of the clothes.

But, that is my choice, my way of doing things. you have at least one young person to take care of, from what I gather.

As a single person, for me (if it was my personal situation).... it is, to me, an acceptable risk.

Teehee, very nice your sneakyness, hehehe, awesome;), I like that.

[ghostrider]

talk to your local news people , they love the inside scoop , it will force the police to do something , they hate bad press ...

[Sidney]

Straight up call the county health department and tell them that you have toxic fumes in your apt. and you would like an inspector over to tell you if it is safe. They get paid for this and should have air sampling equipment. Just tell them it seems to be coming from your attic area. They get or should get monies from the feds in conjunction with the federal clean air act. Put it on the health department and if they find illegal conditions they are mandated to report it to authorities for corrective action. Don't ask for help, file a complaint, they have to follow up on complaints. If you act ignorant of meth and its symptoms and they find a lab then you get off the snitch hook. Tell them you think it is a high concentration of formaldehyde or it smells similar. Always give authorities a chance to be heroes they move faster thinking it is their idea. lol Just my two cents.

Peace!

I did call the health dept. They said thats not their job, call the police. HA Pass the buck is the fastest game in town when it comes to meth. Nobody wants to deal with it. read this. This is why things don't get done. They have cut the dope task force budgets because of crimes like this. Dated Oct of 13.

By Chris Dettro (chris.dettro@sj-r.com)
The State Journal-Register
Posted Oct 31, 2013 @ 10:31 PM
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The former secretary and grant administrator for the area drug task force has pleaded guilty to embezzling more than $43,000 from the group over an almost six-year period beginning in 2005.
Pamela S. Watts, 45, of Riverton is scheduled to be sentenced Feb. 18 by U.S. District Judge Sue Myerscough after pleading guilty in federal court to a three-count information last month. Watts waived indictment by a grand jury and pleaded guilty to two counts of wire fraud and one count of embezzlement.
Watts was employed by the Central Illinois Enforcement Group, a drug task force composed of local and state law enforcement officers assigned to combat drug trafficking in Sangamon, Logan, Morgan, Mason and Christian counties. She was the only employee of the task force.
The officers primarily work undercover and use confidential sources to buy drugs to gather evidence and information to arrest drug dealers.
The officers are provided with vehicles, computers and credit cards for use while engaged in official business.
The CIEG is funded in part from a U.S. Department of Justice grant, and between Oct. 1, 2005, and Sept. 30, 2011, received more than $800,000 under the grant program.
The Sangamon County Board is responsible for administering the expenditure of grant funds to CIEG.
CIEG also received money from the sale of seized assets and from fine money assessed by state courts in criminal cases against people convicted of drug offenses.
It maintained separate bank accounts for grant funds, forfeiture funds and court fines. And maintained several credit card accounts to pay expenses for CIEG officers.
Watts’ duties as secretary and grant administrator included managing CIEG’s bank accounts, Sam’s Club account and VISA credit card accounts, plus submitting invoices to the county board requesting the payment of expenses with grant funds.
The information charging Watts said she submitted invoices and obtained grant fund payments for personal items including a $1,228 Dell laptop computer, children’s school supplies and shipping costs for Federal Express packages.
She wrote checks to herself from the court fines account and wrote checks for the account for various items including mortgage payments, bank overdraft fees, restaurant bills, concert and baseball tickets, school supplies, items from a winery, swimming pool equipment, steaks, a Sony PlayStation video game, gasoline, oil and flowers.
She also wrote checks drawn on the state and federal forfeiture accounts for her personal benefit.
Watts used VISA credit cards of CIEG officers who were no longer assigned to the group and had returned the cards to her, court documents said. In one instance, she used the credit card of an officer who had retired from the Illinois State Police to buy restaurant meals, airline tickets, St. Louis Cardinals baseball tickets, Rod Stewart concert tickets, two unlimited ride passes at the Illinois State Fair, a guitar with built-in amplifier and a speaker. She also used the credit card to buy merchandise from Victoria’s Secret, MC Sports, Penny Lane and various service stations, court documents said.
The penalty for wire fraud is up to 20 years in prison, and the penalty for embezzlement is up to 10 years.
According to the plea agreement between Watts and the government, prosecutors will ask for a sentence at the lower end of the federal guidelines as determined by the court at sentencing.
Assistant U.S. attorney Gregory Harris is prosecuting the case, which was investigated by the Illinois State Police, FBI and the U.S. Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General.
Watts is free pending sentencing.
Contact Chris Dettro: 788-1510, chris.dettro@sj-r.com, twitter.com/ChrisDettroSJR


Read more: http://www.sj-r.com/top-stories/x450315524/Ex-drug-task-force-secretary-admits-embezzlement#ixzz2lRH7D2Qe

[Mu2143]

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[Crystine]

Shake their dust from your shoes. Get out of Dodge. This may not be your battle.

[Sidney]

Update, ok so last night was BAD. I was up all night due to breathing this crap. Heart racing etc. Also another weird symptom, swollen gums. Met with landlord this morning, could not access attic due to her not being there (she failed to answer door, she or whoever is there at the time). So landlord came in with window screen to make it appear as if he had an excuse to come over here. Well I did need the screen, but thats besides the point. Had a long conversation with him, they (the landlords) are a young couple with 2 small kids, and they are devastated that this is happening. He has an aquaintance with some local law enforcements, and is going to give them a call and get someone else on our side. Coincidentally, since he was here this morning for about an hour, I think they are paranoid, and I have relief from the fumes, first time in a week that I can actually breathe.

So, I am thinking, if the neighbors are paranoid as most meth users are, then the key to them not smoking/cooking is to let them know regularly that they are being watched. I am going to post signs outside stating "Surveillance cameras in use, Smile" :) And every time she pulls in the driveway, I will make it a point to find an excuse to go outside where she is, that should make her/them uncomfortable as hell. I will not go down without a fight. I will not be forced to move from this home I have made for myself and my child. These meth heads WILL STOP their activity.

I feel so much better knowing that my landlords are on board, and its true, power in numbers. So we will see how long my fresh air lasts. Not going down without a fight. :fencing:

[Vitalux]

I feel so much better knowing that my landlords are on board, and its true, power in numbers. So we will see how long my fresh air lasts. Not going down without a fight. :fencing:

Great to hear that progress is being made.

The number one rule in which I live my life by, is never :nono: do anything to anyone else that you would wish to not have done to you.
In my opinion, you have already made several complaints and done your part as a member of society.

Anything further, could be viewed as harassment on your part :boink:. If the authorities view in anyway that you are harassing them, you might very well find they will abandon any attempt at helping to bring resolution to your problem.

Just as much as you believe that they are cooking Meth, you could also be wrong as well and they could be doing some other form of hobby that might not be illegal.

Quite frankly, some of the suggestions that other members have suggested to you, I have find shocking to come from a site that is suppose to be composed of spiritual and enlightened people. :suspicious:

Perhaps sometimes I might say things that people do not wish to hear, but it is from my heart and only said with love. :yo:

[Sidney]

I feel so much better knowing that my landlords are on board, and its true, power in numbers. So we will see how long my fresh air lasts. Not going down without a fight. :fencing:

Great to hear that progress is being made.

The number one rule in which I live my life by, is never :nono: do anything to anyone else that you would wish to not have done to you.
In my opinion, you have already made several complaints and done your part as a member of society.

Anything further, could be viewed as harassment on your part :boink:. If the authorities view in anyway that you are harassing them, you might very well find they will abandon any attempt at helping to bring resolution to your problem.

Just as much as you believe that they are cooking Meth, you could also be wrong as well and they could be doing some other form of hobby that might not be illegal.

Quite frankly, some of the suggestions that other members have suggested to you, I have find shocking to come from a site that is suppose to be composed of spiritual and enlightened people. :suspicious:

Perhaps sometimes I might say things that people do not wish to hear, but it is from my heart and only said with love. :yo:

I take it that everyones living situation is different. What may work for one might not work for another. I also make it clear to the authorities that I spoke with, that I understood I have absolutely no proof, but told them everything I have observed, and my symptoms etc. Its in the hands of the law now, but that said, if it continues, I will continue to find my own way to prove what they are doing. My landlords are motivated by the fact that the structure they own could have tens of thousands of dollars worth of damage, that they will not be able to continue to benefit monetarily from renting it, if it is found to be toxic. So they have a big motivator. Yay- Like I said, I tried to re-contact the task force several times all carefully documented, because I do have more questions regarding other possible sources of the fumes. So no one is going to pin any harrassment charges on me when they are blatantly negligent with not returning phone calls.

[Daozen]

Quite frankly, some of the suggestions that other members have suggested to you, I have find shocking to come from a site that is suppose to be composed of spiritual and enlightened people.

Perhaps sometimes I might say things that people do not wish to hear, but it is from my heart and only said with love.

Spirituality is not about rolling over meekly and taking it from every bully you meet. Sometimes you have to fight.

Especially if your health is at stake.

I'm not sure what I'd do in this situation, but none of the suggestions I've seen are too bad.

[Vitalux]

Quite frankly, some of the suggestions that other members have suggested to you, I have find shocking to come from a site that is suppose to be composed of spiritual and enlightened people.

Perhaps sometimes I might say things that people do not wish to hear, but it is from my heart and only said with love.

Spirituality is not about rolling over meekly and taking it from every bully you meet. Sometimes you have to fight.

Especially if your health is at stake.

I'm not sure what I'd do in this situation, but none of the suggestions I've seen are too bad.

:crazy:



Then, I'd go to the local hardware store, or one far away ..and buy a can of florescent pink, or something suitable...ketone based spray paint. Something that is really hard to wash off. Automotive spray paint.

And, when it is known to be very quiet..3am or what not... write, in big letters..METH LAB..all over the front of that given town house.


The above statement suggestion would be considered in most societies to be illegal and morally wrong :nono:. Damaging the townhouse would only cause anguish and financial hardship for the property owner, in my humble opinion.

[sian]

realize i'm late here Sidney, i wish you all the very best and hope everything comes right for you. be safe, that's all that matters :hug:

Sian

[Flash]

Get off your high horse vitalux and come back down to earth for gosh sake. Since when do you consider those who willingly lose their souls and harm dozens rights before a mom's and good citizen rights? Well in Canada may be where criminals rights are always higher and respected while regular citizens are constantly crushed. Pierre would be proud of uour consideration for the exclusive rights of criminals

[Sidney]

realize i'm late here Sidney, i wish you all the very best and hope everything comes right for you. be safe, that's all that matters :hug:

Sian

Thank you for that. Much love and appreciation. Safety first, always.!!!!! :grouphug:

[grannyfranny100]

Why have you not gone to the police station and talked directly to the police? Your complaint will be taken much more seriously than a phone call. Make sure to take your child a long for impact. They know all the important questions to ask you. Then they probably need to do surveillance to have probable cause to search the place and perhaps need to talk to their informants, too. This is not some TV program where everything is solved in an hour.

I was on a grand jury for a meth lab case. They didn't enter the place until they had forces with them in haz mat attire. Calm down and take some anti-anxiety meds. I think you will feel lots better if you give the process first hand attention with the police about what needs to happen, how long it will take and ask them advice about how to protect your family.

You are going to look like a fool if the neighbor is an artist using the attic as a studio and the fumes are from artist materials. You could be right but freaking out isn't going to help.

[Sidney]

Why have you not gone to the police station and talked directly to the police? Your complaint will be taken much more seriously than a phone call. Make sure to take your child a long for impact. They know all the important questions to ask you. Then they probably need to do surveillance to have probable cause to search the place and perhaps need to talk to their informants, too. This is not some TV program where everything is solved in an hour.

I was on a grand jury for a meth lab case. They didn't enter the place until they had forces with them in haz mat attire. Calm down and take some anti-anxiety meds. I think you will feel lots better if you give the process first hand attention with the police about what needs to happen, how long it will take and ask them advice about how to protect your family.

You are going to look like a fool if the neighbor is an artist using the attic as a studio and the fumes are from artist materials. You could be right but freaking out isn't going to help.

Calm down and take some anti-anxiety meds. LOL You're kidding right?? I am being poisoned, and you think putting more chemicals in my body is the thing to do.

And further more, I don't care if I look like a fool. And trust me, the neighbor is NOT an artist, and the attic is NOT studio worthy. I didn't physically go to the police because it is an hour away. I went to the state police that is the drug task force. The local drug task force. If you read the thread, you would know that I already know things don't happen overnight, my complaint was that no one can bother to call me back to answer a few questions. I am not going to the county police, because I know from past experience, and others past experience that they are not trustworthy. Im sorry, thats the way it is. Your entire post, feels personally condescending, and this is not a situation that can be sugarcoated.

Calm down and take some anxiety meds??. Um NO THANKS.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hello OP, I noticed you mentioned the FBI webform;
they don't seem to take it very seriously;
I would call their local office,
also have you tried the DEA hotlines?

Also ATF has been involved in meth busts. (at least back east)

[Vitalux]

Get off your high horse vitalux and come back down to earth for gosh sake. Since when do you consider those who willingly lose their souls and harm dozens rights before a mom's and good citizen rights? Well in Canada may be where criminals rights are always higher and respected while regular citizens are constantly crushed. Pierre would be proud of uour consideration for the exclusive rights of criminals

Thank you Flash :yes4:

I take it that if having moral integrity means being on a high horse than, I'm honored.:whoo:

All I have stated is that is, in my opinion, its' not right to damage other's private property by spraying derogatory slogans on it with paint.
Nor is it right in my opinion to harass other tenants by going through their garbage or stalking their movements.

How could society function effectively if every time a tenant had an issue with another tenant or landlord they were encouraged to take matters into their own hands and start to damage other's personal property. :noidea:

[Sidney]

Who said anything about stalking movements? I agree, that the spray paint is a bad idea, as this would only cause damage for the landlords to be responsible for, and it would also create unwanted attention to me. As for surveillance, with meth addicts, they will do just about anything. I don't feel very good about being able to leave for a couple days, and if I have a break in, I would like to get it on film. If I felt the authorities were doing their jobs, then I wouldn't have to take matters into my own hands.

My goal, is not to have the neighbors thrown in jail, or make enemies. My goal is to have a safe place to continue raising my kid. My goal is to not lay awake all night with a pounding heart from being POISONED. My goal is to not fear my cats will die. My goal is not not have to move again. These are my rights. And my neighbor does not have the right to poison my air. Period. I do not care what other people do in the privacy of their own home, but if it is endangering me and my family, that is where I make it my business. If she wants to smoke her way to her grave, none of my business. But if there is a ticking time bomb, waiting to explode under my roof, and poisoning my home environment and also leaching into the ground water if they are washing chemicals down the drain, then it is my right as a human being to involve myself and find a solution.

[Carmody]

Discernment is Key, Vitalux.

Rule of law is a nice idea, but it is also a yoke for the sheep of society, the sheep that attempts to reside in each of us.

I used to keep a fairly up to date criminal law code book around, to look up laws (in the given country I'm in). Might need to beak a law some day. Never know. A good idea to know what the 'legal' ramifications are.

Now, IF..one were to inject incomplete thoughts and emotions into such a statement, one might be horrified to find this out about me. If one was a thinking person, then they could understand the simplicity and clarity of such a thing. Laws are in place for those who do no understand boundaries, and/or do not desire to follow and work within those boundaries. The situation is more complex than it is simple. Until clarity is reached. Then it becomes very simple, again.

I also count on the reader to understand what I'm saying and to exercise some form of thought on these matters. To dumb it down too far is to allow the sheeple aspect of despotism into the equation, in the dogmatic over use of rule of law (one of the great and potent cornerstones of things like despotic communism, and despotic fascism) to end up dictating reality to the populace in such an overpowering way that it is frozen, in a death of fanaticism, and dogmatism. Ie, rule of law as religion. One must be very careful here.

Something to peruse:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36950.htm

[blufire]

Good Lord folks . . . . .

Sidney just bake a pie and take it to your neighbor to say howdy and that you hope to get to know her better since you just moved in. Find something or anything you may have remotely in common and chat about it. Make her a friend not an enemy.

Mention to her that you have concerned about the fumes or smells and ask her if she has smelled the same. Then share with her kindly and without accusation what symptoms you have been having and that you are thinking of calling the landlord to see if he can find where the fumes are coming from. Say something innocent or naïve like ‘I wonder if this is what natural gas smells like when there is a leak’. Ask her what she thinks you both should do.

Include her in the solution. . . . . .and stop going through her trash.


And why is this thread in the 'solar activity thread'?

[Carmody]

Good Lord folks . . . . .

Sidney just bake a pie and take it to your neighbor to say howdy and that you hope to get to know her better since you just moved in. Find something or anything you may have remotely in common and chat about it. Make her a friend not an enemy.

Mention to her that you have concerned about the fumes or smells and ask her if she has smelled the same. Then share with her kindly and without accusation what symptoms you have been having and that you are thinking of calling the landlord to see if he can find where the fumes are coming from. Say something innocent or naïve like ‘I wonder if this is what natural gas smells like when there is a leak’. Ask her what she thinks you both should do.

Include her in the solution. . . . . .and stop going through her trash.

See, all kinds of ways to handle it.

My personal solution, if it was just me there, no kids and it really was a meth lab and the legal arm of things was not working, then I'd move forward with something like or exactly like my proposal, with not a single qualm. It, to me, being the Occam's razor kind of action, in order to begin the resolution of the of the scenario. But I said this already, in my original post, if the words were interpreted as written.

[blufire]

I think for me and in this day and time we have nearly lost entirely the ability to relate to people face to face. We have lost the art of sensible mundane conversation and communication unless it is done via texting, twittering, forums, emails etc.

Also, we want everyone else (other than ourselves) to handle our problems for us or things we don’t like or are uncomfortable with.

Sidney has involved a bunch of other people and agencies on a ‘suspicion’ that her neighbor is cooking crack or meth or whatever.

Once in an apartment I lived in while in college I begin to notice very nasty pungent smells coming from my neighbor below me (shared ventilation systems). It made my eyes water and burned to back of my throat. Come to find out she was from India and loved very strong curry and other spices. We solved the problem by her not turning on the fan over the stove and opening a window with a fan that blew most of the fumes out. Plus I became a big fan of Indian curries!

I would like to point out that I could see a thread from Sidney’s neighbor (were she a member) that would/could be along the lines of Please Help . . . my neighbor turned me in to the police and landlord and got me arrested and kicked out of my apartment because she thought I was making meth”

I would not have jumped to such intrusive methods unless I knew absolutely for certain something of this magnitude was happening.

[Sidney]

Good Lord folks . . . . .

Sidney just bake a pie and take it to your neighbor to say howdy and that you hope to get to know her better since you just moved in. Find something or anything you may have remotely in common and chat about it. Make her a friend not an enemy.

Mention to her that you have concerned about the fumes or smells and ask her if she has smelled the same. Then share with her kindly and without accusation what symptoms you have been having and that you are thinking of calling the landlord to see if he can find where the fumes are coming from. Say something innocent or naïve like ‘I wonder if this is what natural gas smells like when there is a leak’. Ask her what she thinks you both should do.

Include her in the solution. . . . . .and stop going through her trash.


And why is this thread in the 'solar activity thread'?

HI Bluefire, I tried to make friends with her the week I moved in. She was not at all interested in being friendly. My landlord has gone over there twice so far this weekend, and she does not answer the door.
Two weeks ago, I knocked on her door, because someone in her driveway left their lights on and I didn't want them to get a dead battery. Didn't answer the door then either even though I could see her shadow on the other side of the blinds.

If you read what I wrote you would know that I made it very clear to the authorities that I had no proof that I was basing my concern on the information that I had. I did not tell them that my neighbor was cooking meth. I said, I have a suspicion that it could be happening as I have ruled out many other possiblities one at a time.

What I would really llike is for someone of authority to come to my home and smell it for themself, to help me identify the odor, and where it is coming from. That to me seems like a very simple request. That is what I wanted to ask the officers when I called.

Thanks for the support anyway though.

PS, this is the last time I am going to defend myself here.

I don't know how i got this in the solar, but I can tell you when I posted this thread, I was suffering terrrible symptoms from whatever I have been breathing, so I will blame i t on dead brain cells. I'l have the mods move it. My bad.

PSS I didn;t go through her trash. SHe has no trash. The winds were blowing her cans all over the yard so I rolled it back to where she keeps it and I noticed its not being used. The lid was off, I saw in it. I would not rummage through someones trash.:rolleyes:

[Sidney]

I think for me and in this day and time we have nearly lost entirely the ability to relate to people face to face. We have lost the art of sensible mundane conversation and communication unless it is done via texting, twittering, forums, emails etc.

Also, we want everyone else (other than ourselves) to handle our problems for us or things we don’t like or are uncomfortable with.

Sidney has involved a bunch of other people and agencies on a ‘suspicion’ that her neighbor is cooking crack or meth or whatever.

Once in an apartment I lived in while in college I begin to notice very nasty pungent smells coming from my neighbor below me (shared ventilation systems). It made my eyes water and burned to back of my throat. Come to find out she was from India and loved very strong curry and other spices. We solved the problem by her not turning on the fan over the stove and opening a window with a fan that blew most of the fumes out. Plus I became a big fan of Indian curries!

I would like to point out that I could see a thread from Sidney’s neighbor (were she a member) that would/could be along the lines of Please Help . . . my neighbor turned me in to the police and landlord and got me arrested and kicked out of my apartment because she thought I was making meth”

I would not have jumped to such intrusive methods unless I knew absolutely for certain something of this magnitude was happening.

Firstly, its against the law to evict someone on a hunch. YOu need solid proof. And BTW, I did my research, and have followed instructions on what to do if you suspect this sort of activity. Which I did. I contacted the appropriate division. After that initial call, I had some questions regarding how I can get someone here to help me identify. Someone who knows the smells involved in this directly could tell me, thats not meth, or that could be meth smell. And what if it is something in my apartment, maybe the tenant before me smoked and left residue on my walls ceiling and maybe that is the source, and how can I find out for sure. I have ordered the kits in order to test my own environment for that.

So its not the furnace. I and the landlord checked that out thoroughly.

And ever since the landlord was her, the smell has ceased. So I can't invite him over to smell it until it happens again. When he can get into the attic we will know more. But I can assure you, it is not food that is cooking. I really am not an idiot.

The system is broken. There is no enough money to allow a good routine if steps to help the people like me that are getting sick from fumes, to help identify the source. And its not like I can call and say, ok at 2 oclock come over and smell it. Usually between 10 pm and 4 am is when it is REALLY BAD. I don't have an answer right now except that I am scared, I don't feel well, and I am worried for my child and my animals. I am deeply sorry if I have offended anyone.

[Flash]

Raise your hands those who have been caught in similar situation in the past X years (up to 50 for some of us).

I would never ever ever try to make friend with a meth addict. This is a sure way to get stolen, to get begged for money at 3 am, to have drugs offered to my kid, and then to have myself accuse of sending them the cops even if I did not.

You want trouble in your life, make friend with drug addicts when they are still addicts (once out of the nightmare, they are different people altogether, another story then).

I ended up with a neighbour reverting to drugs after many years being clean, years in which I have known her. Since she reverted, it has been an endless row of problems for her daughter, for the pimps she would get home and would want the daughter (I had to get the kid out with child protection, for once, they were truly needed and efficient). She is still years later banging my door at 3 am for money. Which I do not give.

Blufire, your solution is ideal with regular ordinary non addicted folks, of with marihuana folks, great, but not with meth addicts.

Those who had problems with addicts, raise you hand. Your advice may be helpful.

And if there is little girls or boys with them who are being pimped, please, get involved with the police to save the children who pays with their body and soul for the grown ups addiction. I have seen this as well. And yes, the police was around (we were a whole street who did not want our little girls to be agressed or intrained prostitution - when you see the addicted pimps looking at your daughter on the balcony from top to bottom, little pity is left).

Unless you have teenagers or kids caught within it Sydney, the police will be slow to intervene. You are on your own, unless they brake in your apart.

[RunningDeer]

Those who had problems with addicts, raise you hand. Your advice may be helpful.

We lost sibling #8, "B" to drinking, several years back. Each of us helped in our own way either, financially, a place to stay, and some enabled her with alcohol. No accountability was expected because she knew who to go to with sad puppy-eyes.

I’d drive two states up on Sunday to support her in recovery and therapy. After three months into a one year program, that a family member pulled some big strings to get her in, she signed her self out. "B" called a taxi and her first stop was to a bar.

A brother took her in, and the same behaviors continued. That was my line in the sand. She knew how much to push and with whom. In the end "B" died alone. We surmised that she was reaching for the phone because she was found on the floor by her bed.

I only had one question I’d asked myself: What action steps is B taking to care and to empower herself? The answer was a nada, only make believe promises. Illusions of us believing her lies.

PS: I love my Sister. She’s around.

Advice? My realization is: You cannot help someone that doesn't want it. A pickled brain cannot see it. Catch-22.

[Sierra]

Get off your high horse vitalux and come back down to earth for gosh sake. Since when do you consider those who willingly lose their souls and harm dozens rights before a mom's and good citizen rights? Well in Canada may be where criminals rights are always higher and respected while regular citizens are constantly crushed. Pierre would be proud of uour consideration for the exclusive rights of criminals

Thank you Flash :yes4:

I take it that if having moral integrity means being on a high horse than, I'm honored.:whoo:

All I have stated is that is, in my opinion, its' not right to damage other's private property by spraying derogatory slogans on it with paint.
Nor is it right in my opinion to harass other tenants by going through their garbage or stalking their movements.

Sidney is not going through their garbage. Sidney is not stalking. Actually if I were a decent landlord, I'd WANT attention drawn to the issue (that HAS been brought to the attention of the authorities) (AND scrupulously ignored). As well, it is far far easier to paint over paint (the idea was more a suggestion to think outside the box like say blasting a record with police sirens to see if rats come scurrying out), than tear down, and rebuild a facility used to produce meth. At least, you don't have to wear a hazmat suit to paint, if one is discussing "damage".

The system is broken, terrifyingly broken, and there is no point pretending it isn't. Nothing moral about this situation.

Sidney, be careful. I'm so sorry you are living with this. I'd move if I were you, just saying. Not too many people tangle with meth makers in any form, and win. You may be right you have the right to be safe, but being poisoned or dead while right is no good.

I find it encouraging that she has temporarily stopped cooking, with the attention of the landlord on her. Perhaps she will be the one to move ... It is what I am intending for you. :)

Sierra

[conk]

Prayers for you Sidney. Find comfort in knowing these kind of people don't stay in one place very long. I hope you have the strength to outlast her. Blessings, Conk.

[Sidney]

Prayers for you Sidney. Find comfort in knowing these kind of people don't stay in one place very long. I hope you have the strength to outlast her. Blessings, Conk.

Thank You. I hope Don't die in my sleep before I can get moved. This REALLY SUCKS> Although the police are beginning to be proactive in helping me "get it done". It is actively ongoing almost daily now, so It should not take long. Once we get a valid sniff test from the cops, then they can go in.

[grannyfranny100]

Has the landlord connected with his friends at the police force yet?

Sometimes eyeball to eyeball contact is much more advantageous that impersonal phone calls, emails and other more recent modes of communication even if it is a 1.5 hour drive each way. Other times one just has to admit that life isn't always fair and you must do what you have to do like move out if the situation is bad news. Often Spirit moves us in directions that seem unfair but holds many pleasant surprises once accomplished.

Often I have felt as if Spirit has hit me over the head with a baseball bat to get my attention. I felt I didn't deserve another crisis in my life. I had to stand back, get calm and be open to opportunities that were there for me to accept. As we float down the river of life, spirit is above and can see the unknown rapids ahead and steer you in directions to avoid an even bigger but unseen crisis.

Good luck on getting clear on this.

[Sidney]

So police came out this morning, and I was told as soon as I start to smell it to call and they would come out and smell, of course I did around noontime smell the stench, symptoms all came with it, called the police, he came, and low and behold, he can't smell a thing. #@(*%)$#(
Its up to landlord at this point and he of course cant come until tomorrow to go up and check. OMG I am so frustrated.
I have also been thinking of any other possibilities like maybe there are animals in the attic peeing and perhaps coming into contact with something electrical, which pee ammonia + heat source could cause fumes, or insulation smoldering might cause fumes. I have made all these suggestions, besides the meth-lab possibility, also possibility that prior tenants of my unit cooked meth here, which i got the labs for that today, did all the swipes and will go back out tomorrow to the lab, takes 7 to ten days to get results back. I am sooooooooo tired of having crisis to deal with you have NO idea. %)*#)(@ seems to follow me. I feel like in the end, I am the burden. Hate Hate Hate it.

[Vitalux]

The system is broken, terrifyingly broken, and there is no point pretending it isn't. Nothing moral about this situation.

Sierra

I can relate that in your reality the system is broken, however in my reality the system is quite balance and functioning well. That is the incredible thing about Source and "here".

In this moment, I can also feel that for myself, I am no better or no less than anyone else, rather it be a beggar, a drug addict, God, or any-other living soul.
Therefore, I try and respect all equally. :canada:

[Guest]

Vitalux this thread is about the welfare of Sidney and her daughter. Something is going on in her environment that is unhealthy and possibly dangerous. She knows this and the people that could help her aren't responding. She's turning to PA for support and possibly sort this out.

Sierra is a fine person and darn good moderater.

You're right noone is above or better than another, but your post is beneath you.

[Sierra]

...however in my reality the system is quite balance and functioning well.

I am startled but happy for you that you think the system is balanced and functioning well... That would inevitably mean you are oblivious to what Sidney is going through, and that would explain your focus on the letter of the law rather than the spirit.

Maybe instead of stressing Sidney further when for her, reality is already stressful, it would be kind of you to go hang on another thread where a potentially life threatening or excessively violent situation is not waiting in the wings.

Sidney, hang in there. Still intending she moves away, quietly and quickly. :)

Or it's backed up smelly but harmless plumbing overflow from the factory down the road...

Sierra

[Conchis]

Write your neighbors a letter telling them that you are about to take up the art of glassblowing and will have a high temp open flame going nearly all of the time from this point on and wanted to let them know in case there were any safety actions they needed to take on their part. I'm sorry to hear of all of this going on with you. Maybe there is some other explanation and I hope for your sake there is.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Sounds like a horrible situation Sidney, and isn't it just typical of the system that those who abuse it are seemingly protected, and those who are adversely affected just keep on suffering! I really feel for you.

I know you said it would be difficult to do, but I think I would seriously consider moving out, just to GET OUT of there. Are you sure that is not possible? It has to be. I know you said you worked hard to make it a home, that it was your home, and you would let no one drive you out of it (this I certainly understand), but it has to be worth thinking about.

I really admire the fight you have put up so far. But with the slackness of the system (I may even say complicity of it), you have to ask yourself the question: will you in any way profit from this fight after all the time/energy/money/health spent in the effort?

Another possible way to look at it: Perhaps take this as a sign from the Universe that this isn't a good place to be after all, and there is another place waiting for you somewhere which is better. The only thing keeping you there at the moment is Wilfulness, and a desire to 'not give up'. But moving out (even if it was to stay with a friend or relative for a while), wouldn't necessarily have to mean you have given up. It may be just a matter of 'I get the message.'

But hey I'm not there and not in that situation so don't of course know the ins and outs of it, but whatever the case and whatever you decide, my thoughts, prayers and positive energies are with you. All the best!

[Sidney]

Sounds like a horrible situation Sidney, and isn't it just typical of the system that those who abuse it are seemingly protected, and those who are adversely affected just keep on suffering! I really feel for you.

I know you said it would be difficult to do, but I think I would seriously consider moving out, just to GET OUT of there. Are you sure that is not possible? It has to be. I know you said you worked hard to make it a home, that it was your home, and you would let no one drive you out of it (this I certainly understand), but it has to be worth thinking about.

I really admire the fight you have put up so far. But with the slackness of the system (I may even say complicity of it), you have to ask yourself the question: will you in any way profit from this fight after all the time/energy/money/health spent in the effort?

Another possible way to look at it: Perhaps take this as a sign from the Universe that this isn't a good place to be after all, and there is another place waiting for you somewhere which is better. The only thing keeping you there at the moment is Wilfulness, and a desire to 'not give up'. But moving out (even if it was to stay with a friend or relative for a while), wouldn't necessarily have to mean you have given up. It may be just a matter of 'I get the message.'

But hey I'm not there and not in that situation so don't of course know the ins and outs of it, but whatever the case and whatever you decide, my thoughts, prayers and positive energies are with you. All the best!

If I had a couple thousand dollars to rent another apartment, that is what I would do. Monetarily, I just got moved in, and the funds are dwindling quickly. I also already have chronic lyme/fatigue problems. I am absolutely exhausted to the point that I am feeling physically-emotionally-financially spent. Thanksgiving is in two days I was suppose to travel to see family, who doesn't understand the bulk of my situation and have gotten absolutely NO empathy from them. I have a child that has not even begun to recover from the turmoil of the last 18 months of hell we have endured from our last crisis.

So yeah, my options are VERY limited. If I didn't have a kid and animals, I would be more than happy pitching a tent in the woods. Literally, I would prefer that.
But I am responsible fpr others and the challenges just keep on keepin on. I am sorry, but at this point I really hate life. I am living moment to moment right now.

And since my landlord sat on his a s s and didn't come yesterday to go and check things out, this morning, the neighbors garbage can happens to be GONE. So if there was any evidence to be gotten, its long gone now. So another strike against me, it truly is unbelievable the negligence. And yes I am documenting everything, as this is not over until its over.

The one thing that can work in my favor, is anger. It is a stronger emotion than melancholy. I am mad as hell, and I am not going to effin take any more $)(@ from anyone.

So there.:):wizard:

[TargeT]

The one thing that can work in my favor, is anger. It is a stronger emotion than melancholy. I am mad as hell, and I am not going to effin take any more $)(@ from anyone.

So there.:):wizard:

Ahh anger, the bed fellow of fear (but then, so is melancholy, eh?) just be careful as you dabble in the "dark" energies ;)

your landlord has a requirement to give notice before entry to his/her tenants living area, but it's only like 24 hours or so... he should have given notice already, used his key and gone in to access check for leaks; if she/he is not aware let them know.

"Knocking" on the door is not the best procedure.

[Sidney]

The one thing that can work in my favor, is anger. It is a stronger emotion than melancholy. I am mad as hell, and I am not going to effin take any more $)(@ from anyone.

So there.:):wizard:

Ahh anger, the bed fellow of fear (but then, so is melancholy, eh?) just be careful as you dabble in the "dark" energies ;)

your landlord has a requirement to give notice before entry to his/her tenants living area, but it's only like 24 hours or so... he should have given notice already, used his key and gone in to access check for leaks; if she/he is not aware let them know.

"Knocking" on the door is not the best procedure.

It was the cops that did the knocking. And the county police told me directly that landlord can go in without notice if after 24 hours tenant fails to respond to notice.

Landlord went in today, after tenant has had LOTS of time to ditch any evidence. Of course nothing was amiss.. Landlord did however find burning rubber smell coming from my clothes drier. And the drier is only vented into the attic, so all that moisture for god knows how many years is up in the insulation, and it could be deadly mold spores!!!!
I will have to get that checked out, although the smell I have been smelling is not a burnt rubber smell. And I don't do laundry in the middle of the night, so that does not explain the noxious fumes coming in at 2 am. Landlord I felt acted like I am just a P I A.

I can tell you, one of the ceiling fans that I am testing for meth, had a thick sticky residue all over it. GROSS And since these are non smoking apartments (right) of course the prior tenants didn't do it. (I am being sarcastic). Seriously though, I am not exhibiting all these symptoms from a vivid imagination.

Anger does serve a purpose in life sometimes. It helps to create adrenaline, that puts the body into action for survival. And I AM in SURVIVAL situation. Depending on what or where these fumes are coming from, the possibility exists, that death could occur. People die from fume related issues in apartment buildings all the time. Its just not important enough to make front page or even second third.

[TargeT]

Seriously though, I am not exhibiting all these symptoms from a vivid imagination.




well....

as to that statement.. I happen to believe (not necessarily in your case) that it is absolutely possible to suffer symptoms from mental states, I think negative emotion is physically harmful and my thoughts are backed up by years of science (via placebo studies, Epi-genetics, health / mental studies).

if you haven't been exposed to this topic yet it's worth looking into; our health, our gene expressions; our lives are heavily influenced by environmental & mental state inputs.

did the attic get checked also?

[Sidney]

Seriously though, I am not exhibiting all these symptoms from a vivid imagination.




well....

as to that statement.. I happen to believe (not necessarily in your case) that it is absolutely possible to suffer symptoms from mental states, I think negative emotion is physically harmful and my thoughts are backed up by years of science (via placebo studies, Epi-genetics, health / mental studies).

if you haven't been exposed to this topic yet it's worth looking into; our health, our gene expressions; our lives are heavily influenced by environmental & mental state inputs.

did the attic get checked also?

I don't think my imagine created my daughters lung inflation that happened overnight either. This thread is not about my mental state. Its about a toxic home. Period.

Actually, yes, the discovery was also that the dryers are vented straight into the attic. So 20 or more years of moisture buildup, might be a contributor to this. It is not up to building code for a rental. So I plan on forcing the mold testing issue. I trust my own instinct over law enforcement and landlords, as in todays world, most people are looking out to only benefit themselves.

My goal is not to make someone spend a huge amount of money for a hunch. I only want to live in a healthy safe environment.

Something is making us ill.

He said there is not signs of people being up there. And nothing larger than mice due to lack of movement of the blown insulation. Mice and or chipmunks can and do make an ungodly amount of noise for their size. With cats, I won't ever have a problem indoors with that. :)

It still does not explain the fumes radiating from the walls or whatever at 2 am, when I shut the furnace down at night, and no laundry etc. That will be determined by the fire department IF it happens again.

Still the possibility of a meth test being positive. The landlor (male) stated the prior tenants were post graduates and that he highly doubted that they did any smoking or cooking, however his wife had already disclosed to me that they were HUGE partiers and that there were all sorts of people in and out of here and that she never could even determine exactly how many people had actually lived here. LOL So he is caught in one instance of stretching the truth.

All I know is that something is making us have immune response. And it could very well be a mold problem. I still just do not know. I also cannot keep pointing the finger at the neighbor if there was no signs of humans in the attic, although, I can't just forget the suspicious behavior that I have seen displayed there.
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[TargeT]

All I know is that something is making us have immune response. And it could very well be a mold problem. I still just do not know. I also cannot keep pointing the finger at the neighbor if there was no signs of humans in the attic, although, I can't just forget the suspicious behavior that I have seen displayed there.
t

you could just be more sensitive to what ever is growing in the attic; I'd say all this together would be enough to confidently ask the landlord for your deposit back, or risk legal action due to not having his house to code and posing a health risk to you and your daughter.

I didn't mean to get you defensive about my epi-genetics material above, just mentioning one of the topics I've read a bit on ;)

[Sidney]

All I know is that something is making us have immune response. And it could very well be a mold problem. I still just do not know. I also cannot keep pointing the finger at the neighbor if there was no signs of humans in the attic, although, I can't just forget the suspicious behavior that I have seen displayed there.
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you could just be more sensitive to what ever is growing in the attic; I'd say all this together would be enough to confidently ask the landlord for your deposit back, or risk legal action due to not having his house to code and posing a health risk to you and your daughter.

I didn't mean to get you defensive about my epi-genetics material above, just mentioning one of the topics I've read a bit on ;)

No worries, I knew what meant. :)

It just seems like suddenly this has started happening. In the last two weeks. Could be fumes from burning rubber mixed with whatever else is happening in attic might, combined be causing some sort of toxic chemical reaction.

And truthfully, I probably am turning into an alarmist because of the many challenges I have faced in my life already, and over reacted. :p:eek:

Maybe I should rethink granny fannys recommendations of anti anxiety meds. LOL

Valerian to the rescue

[Sierra]

This is from: http://chemistry.about.com/od/medicalhealth/f/What-Does-A-Meth-Lab-Smell-Like.htm

What Does a Meth Lab Smell Like?
By Anne Marie Helmenstine, Ph.D., About.com Guide

Question: What Does a Meth Lab Smell Like?
No one wants to live next door to a meth lab, but how do you know if there is one in your neighborhood? One way to detect illegal drug production is to look for trash associated with the supplies and chemicals used for cooking meth. There might be a "Beware of Dog" or "Keep Out" sign and boarded windows. Another big giveaway if you suspect illegal drugs are being made is by their smell.

Answer: What sorthttp://chemistry.about.com/od/medicalhealth/f/What-Does-A-Meth-Lab-Smell-Like.htm of smell are you looking for? There isn't any single odor that would be a tip-off for meth production, but several chemicals waft distinctive odors, not like you would want your house to smell. Examples of odors from a meth lab might be a sweet ether smell, acrid chemical fume, ammonia or cat urine odor, or rotten egg sulfurous stink.
Meth Lab Chemicals

There is more than one way to cook meth, but if you see or smell these chemicals together, they might indicate a meth lab.
acetone
isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol or Iso-Heet fuel treatment)
methyl alcohol (wood spirits or Heet fuel treatment)
lye as in Red Devil lye
crystal or liquid iodine
mineral spirits
bleach
anhydrous ammonia
sulfuric acid (car battery acid)
hydrochloric acid (muriatic acid)
matches/match box strikers (for red phosphorus)
cold tablets containing ephedrine or pseudoephedrine
white gas
lithium (from lithium batteries)
trichloroethane (solvent for gun cleaning)
sodium metal or rock or table salt
ether (starter fluid)
toluene
Since these chemicals give off unpleasant and toxic fumes, you might see some sort of ventilation intended to blow the vapors out of the building, like a chimney or fans. Don't expect to see smoke or any visible sign of "cooking."
Meth Lab Trash

Meth labs tend to be secretive, so you may see drawn shades or paper or foil over the windows, a guard dog and a "keep out" sign. Watch for these types of products in the garbage:
paint thinner
antifreeze
plastic soda bottles with holes or tubes at the top
acetone
drain cleaner
brake fluid
reddish stained coffee filters
used rags
broken lithium batteries
cold tablet packaging
Because trash says a lot about a person's activities, a meth lab might break the garbage up and put some of it in with a neighbor's trash.
Meth Lab Signs

Other signs of a meth lab could include dead spots in the yard, since spilling or dumping these chemicals would kill grass. Because meth production involves the use of flammable chemicals, people cooking meth tend to smoke outdoors, away from the building. Occupants of a meth lab might seem secretive and shy, yet entertain a lot of visitors.
What To Do If You Suspect a Meth Lab

If you think you've come across a meth lab, there is a right way and a wrong way to deal with it. The right way is to play it cool and avoid alerting the cook to your suspicion. The wrong way is to go snooping, accusing or trying to handle it yourself. Here are some steps to take:
Call the authorities and explain why you think you've come across a meth lab. Follow their instructions.
Don't touch anything. Especially don't open any containers, which may contain toxic or reactive chemicals. Don't turn on or turn off any electric switches. Just quietly leave the premises.
Don't light a match or a cigarette or anything that might ignite flammable chemicals.
Touching chemicals can give you a chemical burn or poison you. Similarly, breathing in the fumes from a meth lab can harm your health. If you can smell the fumes, you are still too close, even if you have left the immediate property. If your yard or home smell bad, remember, this can harm your health.

[Flash]

my little finger tells me you may have had or still have a meth lab Sydney. In any case, someting is wrong in your environment, do not blame yourself in order to keep a cool head to see what is going around.
while writing, my cat does not stop pushing me to be pet. lol

[grannyfranny100]

Sounds like your venting here is lowering your anti-anxiety level without meds. Kudos to you. Have you ever been to an allergist? Might help.

People use to think my cat allergies were all in my head until I visited someone I didn't know with a friend, didn't see a cat or litter box and got my symptoms. They did have a cat. Went to a Catholic wedding and had to leave the church when the priest walked up the aisle with the little smoking purse. Someone told me it was vanilla. Went out with a fellow who wore a bear skin hat in his military unit. Allergy reaction ended that relationship. Every time I tried to improve my eating habits I felt like ****.

Eventually gave up on regular medicine and went to an MD who practiced NAET. I was allergy to chicken and turkey, couldn't absorb B vitamins, and a zillion other things plus my thyroid was half dead. I'm a red head with curly hair, fair skin and blue eyes. In other words, I am one big recessive gene and I am glad I didn't reproduce and pass it on.

I do know how allergies can really zap one especially when one is going through lots of stress. So I hope you can resolve some of your allergies while you are going through this calamity.

[Flash]

I am sorry you did not pass on your genes fannygranny, I love little red heads, blue eyes and faire skin. My grand father was very red head and I can see red streaks in my daughter's hair (she is very light Brown or dark blonde).

[Strat]

First things first, really sorry you're having to go through this. Nobody should have to. Secondly I'm not judging anything, just asking questions:

1 Do said folks carry anything with them to and from the car? Like a backpack or whatever.
2 Is the back and forth traffic to the house involving the same vehicles or different?
3 Why do you say these folks look shady?
4 Could you take a pic of the 'thick sticky residue' you found on your fan. Also how does it smell? (I imagine horrendous)
5 Have you seen a doctor? (for the symptoms, not anxiety haha)

I'm hoping for the best. I'm not sure where you live so I can't speak about how to handle suspected drug manufacturers in your area but in general any confrontational approach will put your face on a milk box. High level distributors rent out nice houses in nice communities because everyone expects the old house with peeling paint and iron barred windows to be the drug house.

The general rule of thumb in a house used for manufacturing/distributing is don't **** where you eat. They want you to be chill, they'll leave you alone. If you start pushing they wont ask questions. They'll do what they do. These folks involved may have had horrendous upbringings and have zero empathy.

One idea to try (no idea if this would work) is to see if you can find some kind of way to neutralize the chemicals. Call a chemist (or whoever) and simply say there is a chemically smell, you don't know what it is but it's causing you harm. Or you could try the "I know this sounds crazy" route then just ask if you could hypothetically mix baking soda and water and run it through a humidifier or something. I dunno, not a chemist. You gotta be creative.

Just found this, check it out looks like it will be a lot of help
http://www.methinyourhouse.com/

[Daozen]

I wondered if this situation has been resolved?

Cheers

[grannyfranny100]

I am curious about any improvements, too!

[Sidney]

I am curious about any improvements, too!

Hi, Thank you for reminding me to update this!!

Nothing 100% resolved. Because my landlord gave her 48 hours advance notice of him having access, she had plenty of time to get rid of any evidence. After several police cars coming and going, I think it forced her to move her business elsewhere. I would have liked to have caught her red handed but that didn't happen.

Of course by the time landlord went to inspect, there was nothing there. She now keeps her garbage can in her garage. That never happened before.

I trust my own gut in knowing something no good was going on over there, and above me in the attic. I have ears eyes and sense of smell that I believe over someones failure to show any physical evidence. I almost wonder if my landlord could have been party to it, due to his absolute failure to act quickly. I was standing right there when the cops told me he did not need her permission to go into the attic through the garage, yet he chose to wait 2 effing days. If I owned a rental property and was alerted that something illegal and dangerous might be going on, i would have been checking it out immediately, so I have a huge red flag waving in that regard,,,,ultimately I will never know.

My apartment has been fume free for a couple weeks now. I did do a meth swipe test on my walls to make sure it wasn't coming from my own surroundings, and it came back negative. I spoke on the phone with the lab, and asked many many questions, and I feel they are a reputable lab, servicing many law enforcement and state agencies around the country, so I trust their tests to be accurate.

I have eliminated other possibilities one by one by having things checked out. The only way these fumes could be getting in here is through the wallboard and/or the gaps in the ceiling fixtures. The police have actually been cooperative, and I understand they have to follow specific protocols in order to line up a bust, or even get a warrant.

I feel that based on some history that is public record, the cops had reason to believe me, and did not treat me like an idiot. Right now I have no choice but to "ride" out my lease and hope the activity does not start up again.

Unreal the things we have to live through sometimes. Thanks to all of you who gave me support, on the thread and through private messages. Many Many hugs to you all.:grouphug:

[Sidney]

First things first, really sorry you're having to go through this. Nobody should have to. Secondly I'm not judging anything, just asking questions:

1 Do said folks carry anything with them to and from the car? Like a backpack or whatever.
2 Is the back and forth traffic to the house involving the same vehicles or different?
3 Why do you say these folks look shady?
4 Could you take a pic of the 'thick sticky residue' you found on your fan. Also how does it smell? (I imagine horrendous)
5 Have you seen a doctor? (for the symptoms, not anxiety haha)

I'm hoping for the best. I'm not sure where you live so I can't speak about how to handle suspected drug manufacturers in your area but in general any confrontational approach will put your face on a milk box. High level distributors rent out nice houses in nice communities because everyone expects the old house with peeling paint and iron barred windows to be the drug house.

The general rule of thumb in a house used for manufacturing/distributing is don't **** where you eat. They want you to be chill, they'll leave you alone. If you start pushing they wont ask questions. They'll do what they do. These folks involved may have had horrendous upbringings and have zero empathy.

One idea to try (no idea if this would work) is to see if you can find some kind of way to neutralize the chemicals. Call a chemist (or whoever) and simply say there is a chemically smell, you don't know what it is but it's causing you harm. Or you could try the "I know this sounds crazy" route then just ask if you could hypothetically mix baking soda and water and run it through a humidifier or something. I dunno, not a chemist. You gotta be creative.

Just found this, check it out looks like it will be a lot of help
http://www.methinyourhouse.com/

Hi Strat, I apologize for the delay in answering your post, I somehow missed it.

Many signs were there

Variety of cars coming and going. Blinds drawn 24/7, and/or blacked out. I have not once seen her blinds open, not one time in 4 months. There is one guy that stays over there sometimes that appears EXTREMELY paranoid. I have not experienced the level of people being anti social, ever. Disposing of their trash elsewhere. Burning chemical smells.

Does this make them guilty? NO

But it not only makes us ILL, but uncomfortable on many levels. We will move when the lease is up, or sooner if I can warrant a good reason for breaking the lease.

[Flash]

Did you tell your landlord you would move. If he is not in with his met tennants (because I believe you have seen right), he may be disappointed to lose a good tennant for keeping bad ones. He may also be afraid of them.

And, if you do tell him, tell him as well that most good tennants who have left may not have told him the real reasons, not to be in trouble, but your guess it that most leave because of the met smell and the numerous people going in and out of that place, making the whole building extremely dangerous to live in.

[Sidney]

Did you tell your landlord you would move. If he is not in with his met tennants (because I believe you have seen right), he may be disappointed to lose a good tennant for keeping bad ones. He may also be afraid of them.

And, if you do tell him, tell him as well that most good tennants who have left may not have told him the real reasons, not to be in trouble, but your guess it that most leave because of the met smell and the numerous people going in and out of that place, making the whole building extremely dangerous to live in.

The landlord knows full well how upset I am over all this, and he couldn't care less. He treats me like I am just a burden for complaining. So as far as I am concerned I will be more than happy to not give him any more of my money. In fact, after this is all said and done I may end up suing him for negligence. Because there is much more that I have not even talked about here. They have done absolutely no upkeep here whatsoever. pathetic.

[GreenGuy]

Sidney, I've read all the way through this thread and I really feel for your situation. I haven't had anything to add to what fellow Avalonians have offered. I'm glad the situation seems to be mostly resolved. When I lived in Dallas, a family moved into the rental house across the street from us, and it soon became apparent that they had a meth lab going. They kept up a front with the neighbors but the signs were there...unpleasant smells, blacked-out windows, constant traffic, etc. And it was a doubly despicable situation because they were using their minor children to do the dealing since if they got busted, they wouldn't be thrown directly in jail.

Of course the neighbors became upset, called the police, and started documenting. It took more than six months before the situation got resolved. The police said they didn't have enough evidence, in spite of people providing them with photos, logs of traffic including license plate numbers, etc. Eventually though, they rounded up the whole family. I don't know what happened to them.

On the other hand, when a single woman on the block had a breakdown and fired a small pistol into her ceiling, it wasn't 20 minutes before thirty or forty SWAT team guys were crawling all over the neighborhood. Our tax dollars at work....:whistle:

[Sidney]

Sidney, I've read all the way through this thread and I really feel for your situation. I haven't had anything to add to what fellow Avalonians have offered. I'm glad the situation seems to be mostly resolved. When I lived in Dallas, a family moved into the rental house across the street from us, and it soon became apparent that they had a meth lab going. They kept up a front with the neighbors but the signs were there...unpleasant smells, blacked-out windows, constant traffic, etc. And it was a doubly despicable situation because they were using their minor children to do the dealing since if they got busted, they wouldn't be thrown directly in jail.

Of course the neighbors became upset, called the police, and started documenting. It took more than six months before the situation got resolved. The police said they didn't have enough evidence, in spite of people providing them with photos, logs of traffic including license plate numbers, etc. Eventually though, they rounded up the whole family. I don't know what happened to them.

On the other hand, when a single woman on the block had a breakdown and fired a small pistol into her ceiling, it wasn't 20 minutes before thirty or forty SWAT team guys were crawling all over the neighborhood. Our tax dollars at work....:whistle:

Thank you for the kind words GreenGuy. It is truly pathetic the priorities in our country as far as tax dollars. If they stopped the war machine( which I am very aware will never happen), all these problems could be managed very quickly. It is just shameful.

[grannyfranny100]

I served on a grand jury once. It was our duty to decide whether they had sufficient evidence for a trial against a probable meth lab. The lab was located in a modest single family house in a nearby small, quiet town.

There was a lot of work to gain evidence, track down accomplices, use undercover cops to scope out the key players. It can be months and months of work and coordinating between police, county sheriff offices, state and federal agencies and legal departments. The "euraka" bulb went off in my head. There was nothing in my everyday life or news articles to prepare me for everything the police go through.

Part of the investigation was developing charts and educational materials for those of us serving on the grand jury so we could make an educated decision. Eventually all things pulled together and they raided the place. People had to be wearing haz mat outfits for the raid. This was a lot of work to close down this one meth lab. A toddler running around in diapers was one of the rental house occupants......

I am sad for what may or may be going on. But look at it with some empathy for what goes on behind the scenes. Plus this gal isn't going to want to stay if she was doing something wrong. Then you could move in that place and convert the attic into play room for your daughter as she grows: fort, tent, arts and crafts.

It's called turning lemons into lemonade. Just an idea to let roam in your mind and factor in with all the subtle nuances that have not been conveyed to us.

Best wishes in 2014

[Sidney]

I served on a grand jury once. It was our duty to decide whether they had sufficient evidence for a trial against a probable meth lab. The lab was located in a modest single family house in a nearby small, quiet town.

There was a lot of work to gain evidence, track down accomplices, use undercover cops to scope out the key players. It can be months and months of work and coordinating between police, county sheriff offices, state and federal agencies and legal departments. The "euraka" bulb went off in my head. There was nothing in my everyday life or news articles to prepare me for everything the police go through.

Part of the investigation was developing charts and educational materials for those of us serving on the grand jury so we could make an educated decision. Eventually all things pulled together and they raided the place. People had to be wearing haz mat outfits for the raid. This was a lot of work to close down this one meth lab. A toddler running around in diapers was one of the rental house occupants......

I am sad for what may or may be going on. But look at it with some empathy for what goes on behind the scenes. Plus this gal isn't going to want to stay if she was doing something wrong. Then you could move in that place and convert the attic into play room for your daughter as she grows: fort, tent, arts and crafts.

It's called turning lemons into lemonade. Just an idea to let roam in your mind and factor in with all the subtle nuances that have not been conveyed to us.

Best wishes in 2014

LOL, my daughter will be graduating high school in a couple years, but did you realize that Meth residue can cost tens of thousands of dollars to get cleaned up. The toxic chemicals are absorbed into wallboard, and wood, and usually have to be COMPLETELY removed, and rebuilt in order to be safe.

I plan to move when the lease is up, and pray to god I can find a single family home to rent. And as soon as my daughter graduates, we plan to leave the area anyway. i was naive. I thought nothing could be worse than the poltergeist activity we had in our former home. HA Silly Me. :rant::noidea::crazy:

[Daozen]

Glad the situation is at least partially resolved now, Sidney.