Coldest winter in 1,000 years on its way

[irishspirit]

After the record heat wave this summer, Russia's weather seems to have acquired a taste for the extreme

Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years

The change is reportedly connected with the speed of the Gulf Stream, which has shrunk in half in just the last couple of years. Polish scientists say that it means the stream will not be able to compensate for the cold from the Arctic winds. According to them, when the stream is completely stopped, a new Ice Age will begin in Europe.

So far, the results have been lower temperatures: for example, in Central Russia, they are a couple of degrees below the norm.

http://rt.com/prime-time/2010-10-04/coldest-winter-emergency-measures.html#

[Celine]

As personal experience...I have found the winters have been getting milder... with more precip...


at least in this part of the great white north...

[irishspirit]

Celine,

Last winter here was cold, real cold. Started getting cold in September and lasted right through to FEB!

Hopefully, this year won't be to bad.

Irish

[pyrangello]

If the chemtrails are being used for the weather, they may be taking effect. Right now here in northern michigan were 2 -3 weeks ahead , pumpkins are done, acorns have dropped and leafs are falling , early early.

Last year gardens were horrible here unless you had your stuff in a greenhouse then it was growing like crazy.

Chemtrails out yesterday were some I've never seen before . Check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV4a49MecBA&feature=player_embedded

[irishspirit]

Pyrangello,

I hear you there friend.

I have seen a number of reports of that happening in places.

I have heard stories of snow fall already this year, was to early for that.

I cannot remember where I heard this, but we have been told to prepare for snow earlier than normal in NI this year.

I will get the source for that.

I have no doubt that some of this is down to Chemtrails. However, the Golf Stream, I feel, is playing its part in that also.

Although, we are having quite a nice day here today. :rolleyes:

[Steven]

2008 was the coldest year of the century. Now with all that ashes in the atmosphere, from fire and volcano, it'll only get cooler.

Namaste, Steven

[irishspirit]

I see oil and gas prices going through the roof AGAIN this year!

[Carmody]

When people begin to break the binds that hold them..the bindings must tighten and increase the tension, lest the bound break free. The stretching tight between the given perils must increase. It helps maintain the concentration on the fears of dissolution in the physical sense.

[Swami]

Next winter will start in July 2011, at least thats what I've heard.....

This winter, I dont know, but there's a cold in my bones. I felt the same last last year and we got a strong winter.....

[Eric J (Viking)]

Pyrangello,

I hear you there friend.

I have seen a number of reports of that happening in places.

I have heard stories of snow fall already this year, was to early for that.

I cannot remember where I heard this, but we have been told to prepare for snow earlier than normal in NI this year.

I will get the source for that.

I have no doubt that some of this is down to Chemtrails. However, the Golf Stream, I feel, is playing its part in that also.

Although, we are having quite a nice day here today. :rolleyes:

Hey Irish

I have been following the weather reports across Eastern and Western Europe and have noticed that for the next 6 days in Moscow the average temperature will be approx 9.5 degrees. In UK it will be 16.1 degrees.

So as per various articles with regard to the Gulf stream stopping I'm not so sure at the moment...although we have had a crap summer and it does seem to be colder earlier this year... but the pattern is still not reflecting as per moscow temperatures as stated in a few articles.

Early days I suppose!

viking

[irishspirit]

Viking,

I agree. It is reather warm here today also.

However, it was very much like this last year. Then from know where, the cold weather struck. Last year, I used almost £600 pounds of Gas in the winter alone!

I would normally not even use that within a year, not alone a season.

That said, I am really hoping for the best.

[Fredkc]

Ok, I am coming out of my hole to make a prediction!

I can tell you exactly what is going to happen, next year.

What we'll have is 365 days of something no one expected...
Weather!!

Fred

[Zook]

Hi irishspirit,


After the record heat wave this summer, Russia's weather seems to have acquired a taste for the extreme

Forecasters say this winter could be the coldest Europe has seen in the last 1,000 years

[...]


Fear not ... the warmest humans in 10,000 years are on their way!
(At least ... I'm hoping that's the case.) :boxing:

[Dale]

I live in Michigan, about 15 minutes east of the lake.

If there's one thing West Michigan is known for, it's our absolutely unpredictable weather.

In my most humble opinion, predictions are sometimes right, but predictions about the weather are almost never right.

[irishspirit]

I live in Michigan, about 15 minutes east of the lake.

If there's one thing West Michigan is known for, it's our absolutely unpredictable weather.

In my most humble opinion, predictions are sometimes right, but predictions about the weather are almost never right.

Hi Dale,

I would have to agree.

On most days here in Belfast, we can pretty much get the four season in one day, sometimes, at the same time.

Whilst I would agree that the weather is hard to Predict now a days, I 5think that this can be put down to Chemtrails, or whatever else they are doing to play with the weather. On days gone by, it was pretty stable weather predictions for most.

Irish

[Humble Janitor]

I've survived plenty of harsh winters. I will have no problem surviving this one, even if I have to claw my way through snow and ice to get to safety.

[Beth]

Sounds like more work for me, frozen split pipes :p

[Caren]

Hey there Beth, I can just see you now with that blowtorch! :)

[Beth]

Hey there Beth, I can just see you now with that blowtorch! :)

LOL, used it today, caren!

[Mluck]

Welcome to Canada LOL, 10 months of winter 2 months of summer

[irishspirit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_P-kUrTuj8&feature=player_embedded

[astrid]

We are in summer here in Aus, but its more like winter, global warning what a joke !!
All very concerning stuff, if the jet stream has indeed stopped , we are all in for some rough times.

[Fredkc]

Before everyone panics, starts building 'survival igloos' and all, it might be helpful to look into how many times the Gulf Stream has temporarily shut off before. It has happened before.
Fred

[astrid]

EXACTLY FRED... onto that one right now!

I have a friend in Canada who watches weather very closely, i have consulted him on this and so far i have the current NOAA data on this situation...

Here are the links for various depths, these show vertical velocity as well.

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/viewer.shtml?-natl-temp-200-small-rundate=latest

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/viewer.shtml?-natl-cur-500-small-rundate=latest

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/viewer.shtml?-natl-vcur-1000-small-rundate=latest


Note that none of the Atlantic or mid Pacific to all depths is below Zero, usually it is below freezing, zero

And according to my "weather man" it's never stalled in the Atlantic , only in Gulf in June, then it merges with constant Atlantic current in Nov. when the temperatures come closer together between hot and cold eddys but this year the hot eddy in the gulf was full of oil and corexit
The Atlantic is now full of oil at all depths .

Also new info seems to point at huge leaks now in the Gulf
a new eddy formed over Macondo well huge. ( i will look into this last bit further to confirm current GoM situation)

BUT.....NEVER stalled.

will post more soon....

[Kulapops]

Thanks for the vid Irishspirit... however my heart sank when I heard it was Bill Deagle one... seems he likes to hang around disaster of one form or another...

I looked this up on the BBC website, oit reflects the authenticity of the mechanics. An interesting point that the deepwater operation may alter the mechanics of this, but I think it was changing anyway.

For anyone's interest...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/climate/impact/gulf_stream.shtml

The Gulf Stream
The world's oceans move constantly. Ocean currents flow in complex patterns and are affected by the wind, the water's salinity and temperature, the shape of the ocean floor, and the earth's rotation.

The Gulf Stream is one of the strongest ocean currents in the world. It is driven by surface wind patterns and differences in water density. Surface water in the north Atlantic is cooled by winds from the Arctic. It becomes more salty and more dense and sinks to the ocean floor. The cold water then moves towards the equator where it will warm slowly. To replace the cold equator-bound water, the Gulf Stream moves warm water from the Gulf of Mexico north into the Atlantic.

The Gulf Stream brings warmth to the UK and north-west Europe and is the reason we have mild winters. Without this steady stream of warmth the British Isles winters are estimated to be more than 5C cooler, bringing the average December temperature in London to about 2C.

At the end of the last Ice Age, when the ice sheet covering North America melted, the sudden increase in fresh water reduced the salinity of the north Atlantic surface water and therefore less 'dense water' sank and moved towards the equator. This reduced, or even shut-down completely, the warm Gulf Stream. Temperatures in north-west Europe fell by 5C in just a few decades.

Recent observations have shown that since 1950 there has been a decrease of 20% in the flow of cold water in the Faeroe Bank channel between Greenland and Scotland. This is one source of cold dense water that drives the density-based component of the Gulf Stream. There may be an increase in flow from other cold water sources, but, if not, it could be the start of the slow down of the Gulf Stream.

The IPCC believe it is very likely that the Gulf Stream will slow down during the 21st Century but very unlikely it will undergo a ‘large abrupt transition’. The average reduction predicted by the various models used is 25%. This slowing will have a cooling effect but the temperature will still increase in the region overall.

It suggests that the British Isles, especially western regions, will see a significantly smaller temperature increase than other areas of land mass.

[Rocky_Shorz]

getting up to 90 today, don't see why everyone is complaining about the cold...

Let's try the North Atlantic Current...

http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/aofs_images/large/aofs_cur_nowcast_natl.png

The animation didn't come through, here is the link
North Atlantic Current (http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/ofs/viewer.shtml?-natl-cur-0-large-rundate=latest)

the main heat for Europe comes up through Africa...

http://www.grida.no/_res/site/Image/series/vg-climate/large/32.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

now I know many of you have seen me post these pictures many times but let's think for just a moment what it might mean...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=3188&d=1292109552

what would the effect be to our planet if we shut down the heat from leaving the sun every day even for a short amount of time?

Florida is expected to hit 23 degrees...

buy some orange Juice, looks like this could affect all produce coming from Florida...

[sygh]

Can't help but wonder how the Gulf spill affects all of this.

http://www.thomhartman.com/forum/2010/12/has-bp-oil-spill-impacted-gulf-stream