Canada plans to bury Nuclear Waste Near Lake Huron

[Bob]

Insanity it appears is not just limited to the US.

The town of Kincardine in Canada's Ontario is among several small communities hugging the shoreline in southern Ontario’s Bruce County, which has miles of sandy beaches popular with tourists – particularly from Toronto, about three hours southwest. The downtowns are lined with shops, restaurants, parks, museums and woodsy footpaths. It is a beautiful place.

BUT

A publicly owned Canadian power company wants to entomb waste from its nuclear plants 680 metres below the surface near Lake Huron.

The loudest objections are coming from elsewhere in Canada and the US – particularly Michigan, which shares the Lake Huron shoreline with Ontario.

“Neither the US nor Canada can afford the risk of polluting the Great Lakes with toxic nuclear waste,” US Reps. Dan Kildee, Sander Levin, John Dingell and Gary Peters of Michigan said in a letter to a panel that is expected to make a recommendation next spring to Canada’s federal government, which has the final say.

Some of the strongest support comes from Kincardine and other communities near the would-be disposal site at the Bruce Power complex, the world’s largest nuclear power station, which produces one-fourth of all electricity generated in Canada’s most heavily populated province. Nuclear is a way of life here, and many residents have jobs connected to the industry.

It is a billion dollar project. How about that. Risk the environment, the water across two Countries, mess with our children's children's future for thousands of years to come.

Stupidity obviously can cross borders with the greatest of ease.

So go figure.. Pollute the water for 100,000 years and keep jobs in the nuclear industry. Eh?

ref: http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/fabrication/news/kincardine-locals-support-proposal-to-bury-nuclear-waste-125193?utm_source=CMO&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CMO-EN11262013&e=1v1M3s0q27W6x08yM2vx

ref: http://www.opg.com/power/nuclear/waste/dgr/ Ontario Power Generation


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[soleil]

i live (t)here.....****....

[avid]

We have the same problem in West Cumbria, as Sellafield Nuclear Reprocessing Plant is there - taking on the worlds waste in the most beautiful (but geologically unsound) place in the UK. The County Council democratically rejected proposals to bury very deep in the area - due to unsound geology. Government moved the goalposts to local councils only - promoting jobs et al (utter rubbish), so this is supposedly a NATIONAL issue - it's being focussed by the government to local as Sellafield plant is near and handy. We have to transport the waste wherever necessary, regardless. Cumbria Lake District National Park is one of the most beautiful places in the world. It's not viable geologically, economically to the locale, so why are they forcing us into a 'done deal' when there are sounder areas (who of course are NIMBY), but not as sensitive to tourism/travel/economy as our struggling area.
https://www.facebook.com/3WeeksToSaveTheLakes

Actually - the national geological survey suggested one of the safest places was under the Houses of Parliament - go rods - go!!!!

[Carmody]

Brown's gas breaks down radioactive waste. See the video listed on this forum and see the formula of how it is done.

My experience in these matters: firsthand, personal. personally performed the same experiment as the Canadian government did, which is who is in the video.

If one disbelieves, they can find out if it is true and transmutation is true, for about $6000.

Which is a very small fee to pay, to find the truth and to save the world from nuclear waste.

$6000 is for a brown's gas generator, one that can do the work, as in easily transmute a few pounds or more of radioactive waste per day.

(Google 'eagle research' Brown's gas generators)

Thus, the fact that Canada wants to hide nuke waste when their Chalk River Research center* knows very well that this whole thing can be stopped by getting rid of the waste directly, and simply.

Forever, with no risk, and no loss. For pennies on the dollar.

(#Canada's version of 'Los Alamo nuclear labs')

The Chalk River Research people..... are the people in the video!!!!!

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Oh, Bye the bye..Los Alamos is also well aware of this technology. so they don't have a waste problem but they also refuse to use the technology. even though this mess with fukushima exists and we are seemingly trying to have the same thing happen in the USA.

My information source regarding their knowing:

PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.

So, in essence exactly ~WHO~ is blocking this information and technology from getting out and being used to end this 'nuclear terror'?

the government offices of Nuclear research in Japan are also very well aware of all of this.

Again, exactly ~WHO~ and ~WHAT~ is blocking this from happening?

[Carmody]

@avid:

Oh yes. Brown's gas breaks down the vast majority of complex chemical waste as well.

Brings it down to a complete zero value. Harmless. and, not one bit of effluent of any kind during the process of breakdown. Hell, you could breathe the air coming off the exhaust pipe.

[Carmody]

. bump.

[Hervé]

[...]

So, in essence exactly ~WHO~ is blocking this information and technology from getting out and being used to end this 'nuclear terror'?

[...]

Rephrase the question into an answer...

... "terror" it is... to be entertained, maintained... ALL over the place!

Some school of thoughts calls 'em "Merchants of Chaos" or "Merchants of Fear"... and "Nuclear Waste" has a very deep, profound impact on the human psyche on Earth.

This post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=529642&viewfull=1#post529642) (<---) might give some kind of inkling as to why this is so?

[Flash]

We are the ones to decide if we are continuing with the mafia behavior running this world.

It is the same as mafia on a grand scale. So the question is WHO want to keep it running with fear and WHY (other than money)? AND, DO WE ACCEPT IT?

Up to us really.

Carmody, how do you move the 100 IQ average from their sitting as ses? Makes me weep too.

[avid]

I sent all the past PA's links - Brown's Gas et al via pm - to https://www.facebook.com/3WeeksToSaveTheLakes. Apparently they are in contact with Canada and the USA. Hopefully we have been helpful. However:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/revealed-uk-governments-radical-plan-to-burn-up-uks-mountain-of-plutonium-8967535.html


A radical plan to dispose of Britain's huge store of civil plutonium - the biggest in the world - by "burning" it in a new type of fast reactor is now officially one of three "credible options" being considered by the Government, The Independent understands.

However, further delays have hit attempts to make a final decision on what to do with the growing plutonium stockpile which has been a recurring headache for successive governments over the past three decades.

The stock of plutonium, one of the most dangerous radioactive substances and the element of nuclear bombs, has already exceeded 100 tonnes and is likely to grow to as much as 140 tonnes by 2020, bolstered by a recent decision to include foreign plutonium from imported nuclear waste.

Ministers had pledged to resolve the plutonium problem in a public consultation but are sitting on a secret report by the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) which is believed to confirm that there are now three "credible options" for dealing with the plutonium stored at the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing plant in Cumbria.

more on link - and more idiocy!!!!

The other main source of info into what the people of Cumbria are doing is the recently instigated https://www.facebook.com/CumbriaTrust?hc_location=stream which was put in place to ensure all legalities are being monitored. Invaluable in the discourse with the Government-instilled bodies who 'strong-arm' decisions - despite the apparent pretence to have proper discourse NATIONALLY. The bias towards forcing the burying of nuclear waste near Sellafield needs no reading between the lines - it's blatant. The Cumbria Trust are advising and helping us, but the legalese is horrendous. So sad - so unnecessary....

[Bob]

Some websites reporting on the Ontario Power Generation company's waste burying plans..

http://www.stopthegreatlakesnucleardump.com/ "Would you bury poison beside your well? Ontario Power Generation is planning to bury radioactive nuclear waste beside Lake Huron"

PRESS RELEASE
City of Toronto Joins Call to Stop Proposed Nuclear Waste Dump beside the Great Lakes
TORONTO, ONTARIO November 14, 2013—A growing number of communities, organizations and citizens are opposing Ontario Power Generation's plan to build an underground nuclear waste dump (a Deep Geological Repository) approximately 1km from the shore of Lake Huron. Public hearings on the matter were closed on October 30, 2013 by a Joint Review Panel and a Federal government decision is expected in 2014.

"Today the City of Toronto unanimously passed Councillor Mike Layton's motion for a resolution opposing OPG's proposed nuclear waste repository. Toronto joins Mississauga, Oakville, London, Hamilton and many others organizations, citizens and communities in Ontario, Michigan and Ohio in formally opposing OPG's plan."

[sigma6]

Dumping waste in Huron, if it contaminated it would flow through all the other lakes, what a bunch of morons to choose that location. That entire area of Canada is completely waterlogged, at least bury it in solid land mass.

[Bob]

Dumping waste in Huron, if it contaminated it would flow through all the other lakes, what a bunch of morons to choose that location. That entire area of Canada is completely waterlogged, at least bury it in solid land mass.

Hi Sigma and the Group -

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The power company's Bruce Nuclear Generating Station that has been creating the wastes had earlier in the year decided it was going to "recycle" its radioactive old steam boilers by shipping them through the Great Lakes and off to a company in Sweden who has the capabilities of "safely" melting them down, extracting the radioactives and disposing of them safely..

Guess Ontario Power didn't want to try to bury these 16 contaminated generators in the same place they want to bury the other waste off Lake Huron.

Here is what they look like:

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/queenspark/2013/07/29/plan_to_ship_nuclear_waste_through_great_lakes_shelved/steam_generator.jpg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.jpg

The officials at Bruce Nuclear Generating Station have been in "discussion" with the People of First Nation who are along the shipping path of that current batch of radioactive wastes.

It seems to me then First Nation holds a very strong say in what happens in the shipping of radioactive wastes.

Possibly someone in the forum knows who can be talked with about the current plans of Ontario Power to bury radioactive waste along the Nation's water sources?

The current window for the shipping permits has "expired", but Bruce officials have said candidly, that they DO intend to ship their 16,000 tonnes of waste after discussions are completed..

However, “Our position hasn’t changed,” says Chief Clinton Phillips, who holds the environment portfolio for the Mohawk Council of Kahnawà:ke. “The Mohawks will continue to stand in solidarity with the overwhelming majority of people, Native and non-Native alike, who live along the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence. We are greatly disturbed that the Canadian government, under C-38, could conceivably sweep environmental issues under the rug with little or no opportunity for public input. This is irresponsible, insidious and, most of all, it sets a very dangerous precedent.”

The more these uranium reactor companies feel impunity operating dirty reactors and easily disposing of the wastes that they are creating, the more waste will be building up, somewhere.

It is and has been insane to run a dirty uranium reactor. Until these companies switch to clean virtually waste free thorium reactors, this uranium waste issue will continue to build, and these companies will continually try to look for PRECEDENTS having been previously set.

A precedent being "set" creates an arguable point that can be used to justify WHY they can do what they want to do again.. If you let them do it once, you have let them potentially do it forever.

ref: http://www.torontolife.com/informer/random-stuff-informer/2011/05/17/bruce-power-won%E2%80%99t-be-shipping-radioactive-waste-through-the-great-lakes%E2%80%94for-now/

ref: First Nation info - http://canadians.org/media/water/2012/23-Aug-12.html

[Bob]

@avid:

Oh yes. Brown's gas breaks down the vast majority of complex chemical waste as well.

Brings it down to a complete zero value. Harmless. and, not one bit of effluent of any kind during the process of breakdown. Hell, you could breathe the air coming off the exhaust pipe.

Carmody hi - I'd like if you could do a very brief over-view of the Brown's gas solution as applied to the 16,000 tons of waste that Ontario Power has and wants to ship through the Great Lakes for recycling..



[...]
Brown's gas breaks down radioactive waste.
See the video listed on this forum and see the formula of how it is done.

My experience (ed:"Carmody") in these matters: firsthand, personal.

personally performed the same experiment as the Canadian government did, which is who is in the video.

If one disbelieves, they can find out if it is true and transmutation is true, for about $6000.

Which is a very small fee to pay, to find the truth and to save the world from nuclear waste.

$6000 is for a brown's gas generator, one that can do the work, as in easily transmute a few pounds or more of radioactive waste per day.

(Google 'eagle research' Brown's gas generators)

[...]

How long would it take to remove the radioactivity (I assume you are talking transmutation) of those 16,000 tons, and where does the extra energy go when a heavy uranic or transuranic element or isotope has to be dealt with?

What is the end stable "non-radioactive" element or elements [produced by the "Browns Gas + Thermite + Radioactive Waste"? The claim is radioactivity is gone.. and something transmuted, it to what?

I agree with you very much, without a solution, Uranium reactors will continue to create massive quantities of waste and it will need to "go" somewhere.

I know existing CLEAN disposal technology for radioactive uranium fuel is to put it into a thorium-uranium breeder reactor.. that disposes of the plutonium over time, but those reactors are not anywhere near where the dirty simple uranium reactors exist.

Therefore there are massive quantities of wastes being generated and putting wastes anywhere near a water supply is not only insane - it is a crime against humanity and all life.


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Bruce Power Station


http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/ontario/2009/07/23/bruce_power_drops_plans_for_new_reactors/bruce_nuclearplant.jpeg.size.xxlarge.letterbox.jpeg



New waste dump proposed location


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PS - Carmody, I went to google and researched the link you wanted us to look for - Eagle and Browns Gas (BG) and looked at the guy's recipe he explains on that page,

which he says is add equal mix of iron (oxide?) plus aluminum dust to and an equal amount of radioactive waste and heat in a neutral browns gas flame (torch) until the mixture explodes... er, eh? explodes? He says the "explosion" in the thermite mixture induces the transmutation.. (er...) I have a lot of disbelief on that transmutation statement..

the link: http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/node/456

Would you care to explain all that to people in plain English how it could be possible and why one would spend 6000$, the amount you mentioned in your post, at first to prove this out?

Where does the energy go from the stepdown reaction?
Freeing up binding energy is kinda like "going nuclear"..
Where does the "explosion components, ie gas" go from the reaction?

here is the "quote" source material from his page:


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Thermite reaction:
Fe2O3 + 2 Al → 2 Fe + Al2O3 (iron oxide (rust) plus aluminum (dust) equals free iron plus aluminum oxide

The browns gas reactive substance is H-O-H (hydroxy) -

How does that evoke inducing transmuation?

Uranium equals U and Plutonium equals Pu and Zicronium cladding for fuel rods equal Zr, and there would be a whole host of other transuranics.. and Carbon Boron etc.

[Hervé]

Until Carmody shows up:


"Rhode's gas, Brown's gas, Yule Brown, George Wiesman, Eagle Research, Dennis Lee" as search parameters on the web.

See this forum and the Wade Frasier Thread. That thread and it's links would get people up to speed on what goes on with such technologies.

... and:


Following up on my post above about Brown's gas:




Is Browns Gas practical?


People have developed generators, welding torches, and even car engines. One person drove around in a car for two years now using only water and a couple of batteries.


"When we run out of fuel (water), we go into the gas station and grab the hose and fill it up again. No money is ever paid for gasoline! We are now good for another 1,000 miles".

You can use implosion technology to decay radiation. Yull has a way, using Browns Gas to disintegrate radio active products and decreases their toxic decay "half life" process from millions of years to only seconds!!! - Why are scientists not using these principles to eliminate toxic radiation waist? "I don't know..." says Brown.



Yull discusses how the energy tycoons are only interested in getting money.



"Taking care of the world is secondary to them, money is first". The politician turns a blind eye, and continues to bury this poisonous toxic radiation from the nuclear generations plants. A machine that could eliminate radiation waste is only $100,000 (as compared to millions to just seal it and bury it). Where are their minds?

From: http://nottaughtinschools.com/Yull-Brown/Free-Energy-Interview.html




10) Directing the flame at Cobalt-60 radiation was reduced by 70% in the sample.
11) Directing the flame at Americium the radiation was reduced 96%.



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Here is one avenue on how it could be done that's more along your field of interest (from what I gathered, but I could be mistaken):


[...]

Thanks to Dr. Deagle for sending this out:

"We have the capability of generating scalar radiation...you can compare radiation to what's called ion cyclotron resonance...and if you have the resonant frequency of say a specific ion like calcium, magnesium, sodium, and you set it up to the non-radioactive ion resonance of an element that's in the same periodic table as the radioactive element, it shatters off the radioactive and then increases the rate of decay of that element. In other words, it can actually speeds up the decay so that it can become non-radioactive. In other words, we can take an isotope that might take 200 years to be gone, and you actually can setup a satellite over that area blasting a scalar radiation signal down for the normal non-radioactive isotope so it doesn't affect nature adversely, but if there's a radioactive isotope, it'll increase it's decay, so instead of it's T1 half being, let's say, 40 years or 60 years, it might be 20 days..."
-- Dr. Bill Deagle

[Carmody]

brown's gas in an electrical arc/flame/plasma. it is the ion cloud of atomic re-combination. from a higher level, down to a lower. Tthe mixture (in situ test subject or dut) has to be totally liquified so it can happen on the quantum level. (brown's gas as a lever/fulcrum/crowbar)

The electrical function is like that of a spinning top, a complex multi-axis vortex flow, that is of the same atomic electric charge level/shape/vibration of that of hydrogen-oxygen, I'm not sure which element is the dominant condition here. Evidence seems to point to the hydrogen being the culprit. Thus.. we have the spin off of the exact signature of electron stripping of electrons from hydrogen to that of being a ionized plasma.

Since it is a primary or 'original' complex angular component, right at the highest electrical potential bonding levels, not just in value but position, like a 'primary resonance' that all elements cascade down from..then it can be used.

It's not just an electron, as no such thing exists, the electrons are 'shot out of' a specific condition and state, in their moment of separation. It depends on where they came from, what they were separated from. In this case, hydrogen that has been, at the individual quantum level, bonded to oxygen atoms. The 'freed' electrons come from, or are cast out from, a specific complex angular vortex oriented or polarized state.

When the correct conditions are reached, it is a cascaded function, the gentle 'pop' of the overall radioactive mass, down to a lower state. Not an explosion, but that of a firecracker. See David Hudson's works on ORME's to get a second angle and look at what is going on. (the 2011 video, he gets technical)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IgYp4Noz90

Then, it is modified, by a suitable 'landing pad, or destination filter' (modifying complex angular component), for the high level energies that have been added to the uranium. This 'specifically tailored condition'....is the addition of the quantum level mix of aluminum and iron. They are integral to the quantum atomic cascade, in this situation.

Also look at the works of Dr. Joe Champion, regarding transmutation. He originally used a thermite-ish technique, to enact an electrochemical transmutation sequence/cascade... and and has now moved almost wholly to an electrical technique.

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Then we come to the statement about aluminum slowing dark matter energy by a factor of approximately 2x, as stated (verified through large amounts of experimentation and proofing) by Kozyrev.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online/20-the-divine-cosmos/95-the-divine-cosmos-chapter-01-the-breakthroughs-of-dr-na-kozyrev

Also that dark matter detectors, in cutting edge physics... are constituted of Aluminum and Tungsten.


A technique used by the Cryogenic Dark Matter Search (CDMS) detector at the Soudan Mine relies on multiple very cold germanium and silicon crystals. The crystals (each about the size of a hockey puck) are cooled to about 50 mK. A layer of metal (aluminium and tungsten) at the surfaces is used to detect a WIMP passing through the crystal. This design hopes to detect vibrations in the crystal matrix generated by an atom being "kicked" by a WIMP. The tungsten transition edge sensors (TES) are held at the critical temperature so they are in the superconducting state. Large crystal vibrations will generate heat in the metal and are detectable because of a change in resistance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakly_interacting_massive_particles

In the Brown's gas technique of radioactivity reduction, we see a clear correlation and combination of all these techniques. something we used to call 'transmutation'. Alchemy.

When really.. it is just simple quantum sciences. There's no mystery here.

[Carmody]

Oh yes.

In the given atomic equation, we need a great equalizer. A great equals sign, in order to grease the situation, or equation. a moment of equivalence.

Brown's gas, due to the high electron energy of the HHO mix, when it cascades down into original states, and sheds the electron that is at the high hydrogen bonding state/level, brings EVERY element or combination thereof, to a state of conductivity, and no more.

In the case of simpler (pure)elements, it brings them to a fluid state, which is a QUANTUM FLUID STATE, so their electron orbitals are free flowing, compared to their solidus state (no polarized lattice locking-they are broken free). They are bought to the liquid state, and no more. Thus, copper, gold, iron, silver, aluminum, no matter what it is, silicon, whatever...when mixed together in a browns gas flame EACH INDIVIDUAL ATOM of each type, will freely mix at their EXACT individual liquidus temperature no matter HOW different they are.

Thus, if it was osmium and aluminum, each would be in a single combined fluid mix, where the Osmium atoms are at 3,027 °C, and the aluminum atoms are at 660.3 °C. All at the same time, in the same spot, right next to one another. this is not a flame, brown's gas, it is a hydrogen originated energy level, of electron flow, it is an electron arc of specific orientation and type.

Read that again, if you did not get it, folks.

[Carmody]

Why no explosion?

well, you are bumping and exchanging states, not 'breaking them completely open' which is what a nuke weapon is all about.

In this case, you get a 'pop' of change. Not a boom.

However, until it is more well understood, I'd say do a small bit at a time. it might be possible to process a hundred pounds a week, with a small set up, costing no more than a few hundred thousand dollars, even with unions involved and whatnot..

Processing a hundred pounds a week,and then enlarging on that, could neutralize quite a lot of radioactive waste, in a fairly short period of time.

The extra take-away from this is that transmutation is EASY..and thus, no possibility of 'reptilians wanting us for the gold and the mining' is possible, when you can make just abut any element from any other, if you apply the basic science. That story dies a death of sorts and then we can move beyond it.

Scientifically, ramifications wise, for an unaware and un-advanced society (dynamite monkeys (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051116150949/uncyclopedia/images/2/2d/Dynamite_monkey.jpg)) this is a very dangerous area. But we are up against a very serious problem set that needs to be resolved, in multiple ways.

We cannot allow elitist high functioning sociopath killers, and their appointed minions and controls... to dictate the breadth and scope of human function and existence. Thus this stuff finally has to be thrown out into the street, regardless of their desires and directions. Those who are attempting to control and steer humanity have shown themselves to be a bigger problem for humanity than humanity is to itself. There is a difference between intelligence as a means to help humanity and intelligence used to steer humanity in a crude and violent way that is self serving.

This is a very messy time for humanity and we'd best wake up and get our realities on straight.

[Bob]

What would be good to see in a standard controlled test is to perform standard simple weight measurements for verifying mass changes. A volume of material "going someplace" means the information for quantity of radioactivity "present" or not present is no longer accurate as the starting point volume and ending point volume is no longer the same.

That is a first level procedure used to look at the starting points - any chemist knows weights and volume measurements have to be done. Not doing that is sloppy science.

Observation for their hypothesis - If there is no transmutation (no different non-radioactive elements were formed), but the "radioactivity" just stops, and there is no weight loss (from the stuff being vaporized, or blown away) that the starting and ending weight remained constant, that would be something to be impressed with -

BUT

Without controls for ensuring that weight is not accidentally or inadvertently changed (by being blown away or boiled away by the torch) any data about quantitative radioactivity changes (decreases) is suspect especially with microgram amounts of starting substance. If quantity changes have happened, meaning the starting substance total volumetric radioactive charge changed, that is simple physics, no magic there. The stuff boiled, sublimed (into a gaseous residue and evaporated), or was absorbed into the container.

(Americium) has a Melting Point: 994.0 °C (1267.15 K, 1821.2 °F)
Boiling Point: 2607.0 °C (2880.15 K, 4724.6 °F).
Am-241 half life 432.7 years

A Hydrogen-Oxygen torch flame temperature there abouts is: 2500°C or 4532°F or higher depending on the Oxygen (is it more ozone-like or is it more ionically stable) So getting a solid temperature cannot just be assumed without using an optical pyrometer looking at the torch tip and sample temperature.

So, was an optical pyrometer used on the sample and torch tip during the "experiment" to determine the flame tip temperature on the contact point with the Element? Taking a temperature reading is again good science. It would also show if we are seeing subliming (evaporation from solid to gas), or boiling, or absorbing into the container containing the Americium.

What was the starting microgram amount of such atomic radioactive element? Where did it come from, a Smoke Detector? A smoke detector may contain perhaps 1/5000th of a gram. That is pretty darned small. How was it handled? One smoke detector or many? if that was the source of the Americium?

Americium is not uranium nor is it plutonium, and it has nothing to do with what a FUEL ROD waste is. The weight of a spent fuel rod is thousands and thousands of time greater.

What was the ending microgram weight amount of such?

This is a VERY simple test to see if the stuff was boiled away, or blown away from the torch flame, or melted into the crucible or container used to contain it.

Telling me that the total count (either with a geiger counter or scintillator) changed could simply be material boiled off. Where was the torch application? Was there a crucible of some sort to contain the Americium? Was the Americium absorbed by the crucible? Again, no data on that.

What detector was used?

What weight scale was used?

How was the gas that "boiled off" contained, captured and weighed?

What was the error of the experiment?

What chemistry was used to see if transmutation happened?

Everything that was "disclosed" in the "test results" presented leads me to believe it was boiled or the microgram sample physically blown away, up the fume hood, transferred to the walls or otherwise lost due to a procedure which allowed for "lack of precision" handling of microgram amounts. The comment about "swipe from the walls" leads me to believe inadequate containment.

Unless all the starting weight and ending weight can be totally accurately accounted for, and the resultant treated "residue" chemically or isotopically spectrally analyzed for a different elemental product there is no transmutation proof, and that result claimed of radioactivity substantially diminished is most likely bogus due to inadequate containment and accounting of the heated radioactive substance. Not accounting for weight change from boil-off, blow off, or sublimation and assuming a same weight saying lower radioactivity is therefore inaccurate.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXYnAQQ_bE4‎
Extracting Americium from a Smoke Detector chamber (most likely this is where the radioactive substance was obtained from). The amount is micrograms, typically 200 micrograms. It is easy to loose that amount of material with sublimation, boiling, or blowing it away with the physical flow of a torch.

Practicality - basically zero is the likelihood that even if that browns gas (BG) "treatment" did work computing the amount of time with reasonable amounts of energy needed would preclude practical treatment.

But let's for evaluation purposes give the benefit of doubt that actual transmutation has happened, that radioactivity has been reduced substantially, and just use their experimental data..

Canada NOW needs 16,000 tons of radioactive waste to be treated and the radioactive removed. That is the real world issue that needs to be addressed, black and white.

If we look at the "experiment" that was performed as "proof" and 10 seconds was needed of torch exposure to reduce 1/5000 th of a gram. How many 1/5000th's intervals are there in 16,000 tons? Dividing that up - 1 ounce is equal to 28.3 grams, 16 ounces in a pound, and 2000 pounds per ton, then 32,000 pounds of waste need to be addressed.

1/5000ths of a gram is 0.0002 grams or 200 micrograms and 10 seconds of treatment time is needed according to the "experiment".

How many .0002 grams chunks are there to make up just 1 ounce? 28.3grams divided by .0002 equals 141,500 chunks.

SO to treat one ounce of actual radioactive waste based on using the browns gas experimental data "results", we need an energy exposure of 141,500 times over 10 seconds. That comes to 14,150 chunk-seconds treatment time to deal with ONE OUNCE. How many minutes is that?

For one ounce treatment that is 14,150 chunk-seconds divided by 60 (amount of seconds in an hour) = 235.84 hours lets work that into days. 24 hours in a day, so how many days in 235.84 hours or 9.83 days per ounce of continual exposure to the torch flame.

Running the treatment equation then on a real amount of waste needed to be addressed for the Canadian waste problem...

9.83 days per ounce for "treatment", how many ounces in 32,000 pounds (16 ounces in a pound) so converting all those pounds to the ounce equivalent to determine total time needed, 512,000 ounces are present needing treatment, then 512,000 times 9.83 days gives us 5,032,960 days of running the browns gas torch on the real life waste to render it inert..

How many years is that? 5,032,960 days divided by 365

13,788.93 years running the browns gas torch on the waste to render it inert..

ref - torches, gas temperatures - http://superieur.deboeck.com/resource/extra/9782804171278/mcquarrie_interC.pdf

From the quote above asking why isn't browns gas being used to reduce the actual quantities of waste?

Gee.. lemme look at my calendar and compute the cost of energy for almost 14,000 years..

I think I see why they are not using this - it must be it is not efficient (even if it were proved to actually work).


You can use implosion technology to decay radiation. Yull has a way, using Browns Gas to disintegrate radio active products and decreases their toxic decay "half life" process from millions of years to only seconds!!! - Why are scientists not using these principles to eliminate toxic radiation waist? "I don't know..." says Brown.

That claim that Browns gas can be used for Decommissioning fuel cores - real small cores weigh from 28 kilograms to 254 kilograms for some of the larger Chinese reactors. 8959.59 ounces for the big core and 9.83 days per ounce for "treatment". That comes to 88,072.7697 days to deal with one big core. (241 years)

ref: cores, reactors - http://www.ne.titech.ac.jp/jinzai-hitachi/pdf/hust_rd_manufacturing_method.pdf

[Carmody]

Bob, you are coming from your science background.

At this point, this methodology and knowledge base of yours.... has no experience in the field, in this area.

It really is that simple.

"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

- Albert Einstein.

I'm trying to engage in debate, but that felt more like attack.

Do you have a solution? No?

Then don't slam a potential answer that has been offered...instead.. move toward expanding it, not tearing not down. if that requires proofing, then step into it, but don't substitute what looks like derision covered up in er...myopia on the single data point..

When one has only a single position of knowledge to work form, the trick it to turn the chessboard around and move toward proofing and expanding something as opposed to attacking it. The scientific method as it has been taught is a bunch of pretentious egoistic horse****, and it hobbles itself from the get go.

And that, my friend, is the difference between genius and a plodder. To move the self to the new location, so the thing can be seen from multiple angles, and it's truths can be discovered. To not wait for providence, but to inject the conditions required for extrapolation, into the equation. This requires a change in the self. The essence of alchemy is exactly that.

[Bob]

Why no explosion?

well, you are bumping and exchanging states, not 'breaking them completely open' which is what a nuke weapon is all about.

In this case, you get a 'pop' of change. Not a boom.[...]

Processing a hundred pounds a week,and then enlarging on that, could neutralize quite a lot of radioactive waste, in a fairly short period of time.
[...]

There is a difference between intelligence as a means to help humanity and intelligence used to steer humanity in a crude and violent way that is self serving.

This is a very messy time for humanity and we'd best wake up and get our realities on straight.

Thanks for the explanation. I did tho run the mass to "treatment" numbers. According to the fact sheet repository for Chem Bio Warfare, http://www.cbwinfo.com/Radiological/radmat/am241.shtml
the amount of Americium in a typical smoke detector, " The average modern smoke detector for use in the home contains about 1 microCurie of Am-241 (about 0.000 000 29 grams) although detectors for certain industrial and commercial application contain more (as much as 50 microCuries)."

If that is the case my numbers were really giving the benefit of doubt by about 689 times LESS time, instead of 14,000 years to process the current waste that Canada has to deal with, it would be more like 9,655,172.41 years - totally irrational to assume browns gas can work according to the "experimental" procedure shown: http://www.svpvril.com/BGtest.jpeg
in the link above: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65868-Canada-plans-to-bury-Nuclear-Waste-Near-Lake-Huron&p=766200&viewfull=1#post766200

A solid experiment, monitoring temperature, weights and accurate total radioactivity per unit volume, and a final chemical analysis on the residue should show one way or another. As-IS I feel there is insufficient standard procedure data based on what has been shown or "explained".

[Carmody]

Then engage in the work yourself.

As usual, that is what it comes down to.

Note the tone of my prior post, I read it before you added your last.

I gave you more than enough frameworks to look into it yourself.

And no matter how you may feel about the one specific thing, or data point... the area involved is a HUGE doorway, which a thousand different things can cascade through.

[Bob]

Bob, you are coming from your science background.

At this point, this methodology and knowledge base of yours.... has no experience in the field, in this area.

It really is that simple.

"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

- Albert Einstein.

I'm trying to engage in debate, but that felt more like attack.

Do you have a solution? No?

Then don't slam a potential answer that has been offered...instead.. move toward expanding it, not tearing not down. if that requires proofing, then step into it, but don't substitute what looks like derision covered up in.

When one has only a single position of knowledge to work form, the trick it to turn the chessboard around and move toward proofing and expanding something as opposed to attacking it. The scientific method as it has been taught is a bunch of pretentious egoistic horse****, and it hobbles itself from the get go.

And that, my friend, is the difference between genius and a plodder. To move the self to the new location, so the thing can be seen from multiple angles, and it's truths can be discovered. To not wait for providence, but to inject the conditions required for extrapolation, into the equation. This requires a change in the self. The essence of alchemy is exactly that.

Just run the numbers by the "experiment" quoted. Who cares if transmutation happened or not, if alchemy happened or not. The point is what I said, run the time needed to address the amount of typical waste. The time needed is not practical based on the "evidence" presented. Nothing more than that.

[Carmody]

You don't know that. You looked at single aspect of one test and began the process of tear down and dismissal. based one ONE data point, of ONE experiment. I gave you the ability to sift through hundreds of other data points, with the openings provided.

I will not engage you further. It will not be fruitful.

[Bob]

Back on topic, the issue is Canada plans to dispose of the radioactive waste from a plant that is located on Lake Huron. They have assorted wastes that need to be handled. They have no doubt as has been pointed out, seen that there are people claiming that radioactive waste can be neutralized by an alchemic-transmutative process.

It has been suggested that there is a conspiracy that they are not using alchemic-transmutative processes to neutralize the radioactive waste. Running the numbers using the data provided in the alchemic-transmutative process "experiment" it shows that the amount of time and energy needed to deal with the quantity of waste is excessively long (the numbers have been pointed out in earlier posts in this thread).

It is my assumption that they have run the numbers themselves and there is no conspiracy present, the numbers just say, it is impossible to deal with the time needed to process the immense quantities of waste.

Canada will then as will the others who have reactor wastes needed to be handled proceed to deal with it in the ways they have.

[Bob]

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1492777!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg

Ontario it appears has decided to not rebuild some of it's reactors. But is it the desire to minimize waste, or something else?

"Costs have fallen since the province first paused its plans to build two new reactors in 2009, when the estimated price was said to be as high as $26 billion.

"The costs have come down, but they have not come down enough to justify us building new nuclear when we have a very comfortable surplus," said Chiarelli.

"It is not wise to invest billions and billions of dollars in new nuclear when the power is not needed."

"The Progressive Conservatives said backing off on the new reactors was proof the Liberals have given up on getting Ontario's manufacturing sector back on its feet, which would drive up demand for electricity. "There is no clearer indication that this government has tossed up the white flag to say that the jobs aren't coming back, and that is incredibly concerning to me," said PC energy critic Lisa MacLeod. "We know that if the economy is to pick up, we're going to need those nuclear reactors."

"The New Democrats welcomed the decision to kill the new nuclear builds, but said the government should have made it before it gave companies millions to help with applications for the new reactors. "It's a good development," said NDP energy critic Peter Tabuns, "but I just wish it had come sooner before we spent $26 million giving these nuclear companies cash to prepare their tenders."

"The Society of Professional Engineers accused the Liberals of political interference in the long-term energy plan, and said no decision on new nuclear builds should be made until competing options have been examined by the Ontario Energy Board."

There is a plan to INCREASE natural gas burning (instead of Coal or Nuclear). And to increase HydroElectric. There is discussion of wind power nearby Bruce Atomic power station.

ref: http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2013/10/10/if_not_new_nuclear_plants_whats_ontario_plan.html and
ref: http://www.transcanada.com/6110.html - TRANSCANADA gas fired power plant - "... to develop, own and operate a new 900-megawatt natural gas-fired power plant at Ontario Power Generation’s Lennox Generating Station property near the village of Bath in eastern Ontario."

"Ontario Power Generation is beefing up its hydro-electric capacity.
"The biggest project is expanding capacity on a series of power plants on the Lower Mattagami River in northwestern Ontario, which will add 438 megawatts to the system.

"OPG also just carved a new tunnel through the escarpment at Niagara Falls to feed more water to the Queenston generating station. The tunnel should add about one per cent to the province’s power output — enough to supply a city the size of Kingston."

ref: http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-kills-plan-for-2-new-nuclear-plants-will-rebuild-existing-reactors-1.1492006#ixzz2mMH0dDBi

[Bob]

http://www.nuclearwaste.ca/

An informative website that explains a lot about Canada's nuclear waste burial policies.


http://www.web.net/~nwatch/nuclear_waste/CANDU_fuel_bundles.jpg

http://chanlo.com/images/waste1-1.jpg

As you can see above, Canada is looking at many communities for radioactive waste burial sites, not just the single site under Lake Huron..

UPDATED: From the Nuclear Waste dot Canada website,

"What is the nuclear industry looking for?
The nuclear industry - under the banner of the Nuclear Waste Management Organization (NWMO) - is looking for a community willing to become the "host" to all of Canada's nuclear fuel waste - approximately 50,000 tonnes to date.

"The NWMO plan is to place the waste deep underground. It includes the option of centralizing the waste in temporary storage at the site selected for a geological repository while research is still underway and prior to the site having been fully investigated."

Again, the small amount of waste from the Bruce Nuclear power station for recent disposal, only 16,000 tons dwarfs the total amount that Canada has to deal with.

50,000 tons is no small amount to deal with. Apparently, I believe that is why they are looking for a location similar to the US Yucca mountain site. It is assumed that if they cannot find a single site, they will go with the plan to distribute it in as many sites as they can.

"The concept of burying nuclear waste failed an environmental assessment review in Canada. The NWMO’s “Adaptive Phased Management” is based on Atomic Energy of Canada Limited’s 1988 “concept” of burying nuclear waste in the Canadian Shield. After a ten year review – which included 13 months of public hearings – the review panel concluded in 1998 that the AECL concept had not been demonstrated to be safe and acceptable."

[Rocky_Shorz]

make it simple, I've been saying it for a while, Brown's gas isn't magic, it is from taking 2 metal plates and putting a charge to them under water to create HHO which is captured through a bubbler, what is in that bubbler is what is being called brown's gas, Brown made it known, which is why it is called a Brown's Hydrogen gas generator... Not, Brown Gas as in a color... the waste is water, and with slight modification to the engine, can power a Prius with water protection on the engine, turning wind generators to power a neighborhood... Inverter not included... ;)

or you could spend $1,000,000 for solar for the same amount of energy water provides for free...

smack bubblers have been around for years to modify cars and motorcycles for cleaner and faster performance feeding the mixture in through the air intake.

it burns with low compression, so engines need to be modified to run off water...

anyone in Japan or Canada with stainless steel plates, electricity and water can make HHO gas...

that's why the hydrogen vehicles were pulled off the drawing board, we could drive for free...


Brown's gas breaks down radioactive waste. See the video listed on this forum and see the formula of how it is done.

My experience in these matters: firsthand, personal. personally performed the same experiment as the Canadian government did, which is who is in the video.

If one disbelieves, they can find out if it is true and transmutation is true, for about $6000.

Which is a very small fee to pay, to find the truth and to save the world from nuclear waste.

$6000 is for a brown's gas generator, one that can do the work, as in easily transmute a few pounds or more of radioactive waste per day.

(Google 'eagle research' Brown's gas generators)

Thus, the fact that Canada wants to hide nuke waste when their Chalk River Research center* knows very well that this whole thing can be stopped by getting rid of the waste directly, and simply.

Forever, with no risk, and no loss. For pennies on the dollar.

(#Canada's version of 'Los Alamo nuclear labs')

The Chalk River Research people..... are the people in the video!!!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oh, Bye the bye..Los Alamos is also well aware of this technology. so they don't have a waste problem but they also refuse to use the technology. even though this mess with fukushima exists and we are seemingly trying to have the same thing happen in the USA.

My information source regarding their knowing:

PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.

So, in essence exactly ~WHO~ is blocking this information and technology from getting out and being used to end this 'nuclear terror'?

the government offices of Nuclear research in Japan are also very well aware of all of this.

Again, exactly ~WHO~ and ~WHAT~ is blocking this from happening?

[Bob]

Green Peace studied the Canadian Nuclear waste management plan, and noted that the Darlington Reactor site has a production of wastes which will take on average 2.5 million years to decay to safe levels. Much longer than the Bruce Power Plant wastes. Darlington is seldom talked about. I am beginning to see why.

The Green Peace report also notes:


The isolation period for waste from new generation reactors will increase to 2.3 million years from one million years before radioactivity approaches that of natural uranium;
Environmental and human health consequences will significantly increase in severity if there is an accident or terrorist attack involving higher burn up nuclear fuel;
More toxic fuel waste will increase costs of managing waste, including costs of interim storage, transportation and long-term storage in a repository; and
Despite billions of dollars in research internationally, there is no technologically proven or universally acceptable long-term repository for fuel waste in operation anywhere in the world. The cost of repositories is speculative.

“By ignoring the increased costs to future generations for managing radioactive waste, governments are subsidizing nuclear power today, undermining green power and preventing the development of cleaner and cheaper green energy,” said Stensil.

ref: http://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/campaigns/Energy/end-the-nuclear-threat/Resources/Fact-sheets/What-you-need-to-know-about-Darlingtons-reactors/

ref: http://www.greenpeace.org/canada/en/recent/Impacts-of-dangerous-new-radioactive-waste-unassessed-Greenpeace-report/#a0

What does Canada's Darlington Reactor and Fukushima have in common?

"Does the Darlington’s nuclear station design meet modern international nuclear safety standards?

"No. Darlington’s CANDU reactors share a design flaw with the Chernobyl RBMK reactors. It’s called ‘positive reactivity.’ Most international safety regulators shun reactors designs like that but Canada's nuclear safety regulator has continued to allow positive reactivity because all Canadian reactors in operation have it.

"The four Darlington reactors also share one containment system because OPG wanted to save money. Such sharing of safety systems would not be allowed if International Atomic Energy Agency safety guidelines were applied to Darlington. In the event of an accident at more than one reactor Darlington has a limited ability to contain radiation releases.

"Does Ontario Power Generation believe a Fukushima or Chernobyl-scale accident can happen at Darlington?

"Yes. OPG believes nuclear accidents like the Fukushima accident are possible here in Canada.

"That’s why OPG has asked for the special legislation – called the Nuclear Liability Act - which protects them from compensating victims in the event of an accident."

ref: http://www.greenpeace.org/canada/stopdarlington/ (STOP DARLINGTON REACTOR)

ED NOTE: Alex Paterson - Media & Public Relations

c: (416) 524-8496
alex.paterson@
greenpeace.org

the group has researched all possible alternatives for dealing with RadioActive Wastes, the only solution that can work is to combine the radioactive fuel-like byproducts with thorium/uranium and "burn such up" in thorium-uranium breeder reactors.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/512321/safer-nuclear-power-at-half-the-price/ from MIT

General Atomics (I had a few posts with Tesla_WTC on this reactor in a different thread), has a design, and TransAtomic's design produces 20 times as much power for its size as Oak Ridge’s technology.


http://chanlo.com/images/energyamp1.jpg

That means relatively small, yet powerful, reactors could be built less expensively in factories and shipped by rail instead of being built on site like conventional ones. Transatomic also modified the original molten-salt design to allow it to run on nuclear waste.

That means burning up the wastes.

AND having IMMENSE quantities of clean low cost energy, with the new reactor systems.

Granted this is not micro-sized off-the-grid Thorium Powerpacks, but it is along the mindset of the megawatt and gigawatt power needs of existing massive country-sized power systems. These are lower cost energy production systems than the dirty uranium-plutonium based reactors that have been creating the thousands of tons of wastes worldwide.


With these designs megawatt and gigawatt systems being setup as a thorium-breeder, potentially they can run for up to a 30 years without needing new fuel nor creating new uranium based wastes.

Atomics are really 10's if not 100's of times of more energy OUT than energy in. A small amount of fuel as pointed out puts out more energy than all the fuel from Saudi Arabia for hundreds of years.

And a way to burn up all the spent DEPLETED URANIUM.

Does anybody think it's sensible or smart to burn one's water, or burn hydrocarbons for fuel? Safe reactors, not stupid plutonium reactors are workable if low cost cleaner energy is desired.

http://www.ga.com/energy-multiplier-module - this reactor burns up nuclear waste cleanly !

http://www.kusi.com/video?clipId=9174595&autostart=true - a video

and the writeup explaining how Nuclear waste from Uranium dirty reactors can be cleaned up AND produce immense amounts of clean energy

http://www.ga.com/websites/ga/docs/em2/pdf/EM2_presentation.pdf

YA that sounds like a real solution to me.

With not only perfect clean up but a way to get immense clean energy out in sufficient quantities to run industry and countries.

[Rocky_Shorz]

thanks for the smile Bob,

Did I ever mention I used to drink beer with an engineer from G.A. that was looking for a true clean energy solution, I've met a lot of great minds over the last 30 years since my dreams started bringing me true clean energy solutions... ;)

G.A., time to shut the military wing finding ways to blow a gnat off a monkey's butt from 100 miles without hurting the chimp... That means nothing in a warless world, get the answers you have to clean up this world rolling, and I mean by yesterday...

what are we doing about the California sized mass of radiated material floating towards the West coast, can it be pulled to the surface and burned clean from the same procedure?

[Bob]

[...]
G.A., time to shut the military wing finding ways to blow a gnat off a monkey's butt from 100 miles without hurting the chimp... That means nothing in a warless world, get the answers you have to clean up this world rolling, and I mean by yesterday...


see http://www.ga.com/alternative-energy

GA has a lot of involvement in alternative energy, energy clean up projects. They STILL build some amazing KILLER DRONES (see my link under the Robotic Predator Drones).

They are a corporation - the mind of the corporation is scarcity manipulation, make money. If the Board is "Green oriented" the projects come out that way. If the project is energy oriented and being green and cleaning up the wastes at the same time, as they say, with their new Energy Multiplier reactors, the world can have ALL the energy it needs or wants, without the wastes, and inside of 100 years ALL the transuranic wastes can be cleaned up, not BLOWING THEM APART as suggested in earlier posts in this thread, but converted into useful energy - megawatts of useful energy. Economics plus politics. Mindset awareness..

The forum is about sharing issues bringing folks up to understand what is happening in PLAIN ENGLISH, and coming up with solutions which DON'T require years and years of experimenting, but come up with workability NOW.

CANADA the subject of this thread needs solutions NOW to deal with massive amounts of wastes. Let's stay on topic. They are going to bury the wastes or transport the wastes to other countries to deal with it, and risk contamination during an accident if the shipment is lost. Those are the points of this thread. Appreciate it :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

can someone please call GA and ask how much one of these units delivered and installed would cost for Huron Canada?

I have $40,000,000 in bitcoins to invest... ;)

[Bob]

can someone please call GA and ask how much one of these units delivered and installed would cost for Huron Canada?


Physical Address:
General Atomics
3550 General Atomics Court
San Diego, CA 92121-1122

General Business and Media Inquiries phone (858) 455-3000 fax (858) 455-3621

reference to GA page:
http://www.ga.com/energy-multiplier-module

Direct contact to the Energy Multiplier Module, with EMAIL address
Lisa Petrillo
Communications
Energy and Advanced Concepts
Lisa.Petrillo@ga.com

Link to a VIDEO on the Energy Multiplier module - WHY BLOW UP your waste (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65868-Canada-plans-to-bury-Nuclear-Waste-Near-Lake-Huron&p=766394&viewfull=1#post766394) when you can convert it to clean useful massive amounts of virtually FREE ENERGY, and not have any million year waste problem :)

http://media.ga.com/video-library/energy-multiplier-module-em2-video/

[Bob]

11 Dec 2013 - Give us your Radioactive Waste !

"An environmental group wants more transparency on potential shipments of high-level nuclear waste from Canada and Germany to Savannah River Site, saying the U.S. Department of Energy has not given enough information to taxpayers and advisory boards."

Canada has asked the US Savannah River Site ("SRS") to take radioactive material.. The Site has also received a request from Germany to receive its radioactive carbon reactor core waste..

"New materials being considered for disposal would be moved from the Juelich facility in Germany to SRS, where they would be processed at the South Carolina site’s H Canyon facilities, said Tom Clements, the southeastern nuclear campaign coordinator for Friends of the Earth."

" The Savannah River National Laboratory at SRS has conducted research this year on the waste, and results will be considered when making a decision, Maxted said at a Tuesday meeting of the nuclear materials committee of the Savannah River Site Citizens Advisory Board. On Thursday, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission will discuss Canadian waste imports to the U.S. In a letter cited by Clements, a coalition of German environmentalists said the waste should stay in Germany where a new storage facility should be built. The waste does not pose a threat because it is not suitable for nuclear weapons, they said."

Each of these sites is trying to dispose of dangerous uranium based waste, from Uranium based reactors. Instead of burning it up on-site, with the proper reactor, these older facilities insist on using the archaic methods of shipment, some type of chemical extraction, then burial of the remainder of unrecoverable material.. Friends of Earth points out it is quite possible that the depleted Uranium would be converted into depleted uranium weapons, again a terrible use, wasteful, toxic and insane..

ref: http://beta.mirror.augusta.com/news/metro/2013-12-10/environmental-group-opposes-nuclear-waste-shipments-srs?v=1386709666

"The AVR German reactor fuel consists of 152 large casks holding about 290,000 highly radioactive graphite balls, originally containing some US-origin highly enriched uranium. Before moving further with any consideration of bringing this material to the Savannah River Site, an Environmental Impact Statement must be prepared, including description of how it would be processed and the final disposal of it. German media has reported that shipping it to the US could cost 450 million Euros ($600 million), which is the real reason that SRS is interested in taking the waste (not nuclear non-proliferation). "


http://www.manitoulin.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Bruce-Nuclear-Generating-station-300x336.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

or sure, let's just fill an oil tanker with it and have Ahmadinejad pop up in a mini sub to torpedo it and wipe out the rest of the world's oceans and give a reason to go kick butt in Iran...

try again dorks, burn it clean, save our oceans and stop the wars...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Bumped for those interested in current technologies we should be using