Online focused intent actions - Could your energy be intercepted and used for unintended purposes?

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Well, this is a serious thread.

First, I'd like to say that I learned the hard way that the internet can be used as a vehicle to conduct psychic attacks and inflict physical and physiological damage to people.

I understand that, the same way the internet can be used to transmit data, like these words that I'm typing right now, it can be used to transmit much more than that...It also conducts a great deal of emotional charge.

It sounds crazy, but when you're connected to the internet, most likely you're connected to something else as well...Something I don't completely understand yet...

No wonder why they are desperately trying to splay all internet data to a single place...No wonder why they're doing whatever they can to keep everyone connected the whole time...

This NSA spying issue, leaked by Snowden, is not about the data itself...They wouldn't spend all that money and resources just to read your emails...99,9% of all emails and personal internet data have no use for intelligence purposes at all and, obviously, even if it did, they don't have enough personnel to analyze and process all this gigantic amount of data in order to get something useful out of it...I believe the online spying issue is just a distraction.

Anyway, let me get to the point...

I often see online focused intent actions on the internet, mostly in forums like this. You know, people sit in front of their PCs and voluntarily and simultaneously send their energies to something or someone, for several purposes...

The thing is, most of us are aware of our potential in terms of psychic energies, but also, most of us have absolutely no control about where, during such online collective focused intention actions, our energy is really being directed.

The question is, could something or someone, intercept the energy generated during such kinds of efforts, and utilize it for his own purposes? Or worse; Could someone deliberately organize and manage such focused intent events, just to take advantage of it?

When you voluntarily connect this emotional, psychic and energetic part of yourself to the mechanisms of the internet, you're also opening yourself so that someone or something could actually connect to you...I must be aware of that, for your own good.

The internet is practically a brand new resource for us...We're not yet aware about the complex relationships which exist between us and this technology. Cyber-vampirism is just one out of many possible scenarios that might develop from this.

I've been conducting a research about this subject for quite some time...I still don't know where exactly it will take me, but so far, everything indicates that what I'm taking about is not only possible, but it's already taking place.

So, for now, I'd like to advise everyone to be careful while on the internet...Try not focusing 100% percent on the screen in front of you, and most importantly, keep your spiritual shield up and running.

Specially, be careful if you're involved in one of those online collective intent actions. I have serious reasons to suspect that, most of the times, your energy isn't going anywhere near where it was originally intended to go. Most importantly, when you voluntarily open this door, you're opening yourself for whatever else may come and reach you through it as well.

As always, I'm interest to know what you think about this. If you have more data to complement my studies, I would highly appreciate it as well.

Cheers,

Raf.

[ljwheat]

Good topic, and deserves really close awareness on Avalon forum.

I have noticed this taking place by individuals and a few topic’s with a fish hook headline.

This would be a good question for a few moderator’s to pipe in on -- as they have over the years dealt with this first hand, (energy vampires) that feed on negative emotions thrown at them after causing a thread out burst of their own making and then playing the innocent victim.

I can think of two X members no longer with us, who on a daily bases would drive people nuts trying to pour out there hearts to explain or help these energy vampires out to no avail as a new topic would take its place when the first ran its course, or moderators or Bill would end it.

A mole, troll, energy vampire, agitator, what ever name is given dose not matter. The engineered topic or thread is the easiest way for this to take place.

The more focused the attention we give to this and other topic’s is energy. When it takes on the negative, slant or twist is when the greatest amount of energy is sent.

Lol the movie “Monster Ink” in a comical way illustrates this in a entertaining way. But I believe you have hit on something that who ever is behind this energy theft, dose not want it known, or disused. Or its derailed by a off topic post, meant to do just that kill it before we can get to the bottom of it. Like you said this is very serious, it affects our health and mental abilities.

I for one am very sensitive to these verbal attacks and trickery tack ticks. Especially when I put my heart and soul into giving my energy to a thread or topic I enjoy or believe in. Good Job Rmorgan I do hope this thread will shed do light on a bigger scale before some one tries to derail it or steer it in another direction.

Stephen King’s “Tommy Knockers”

The “Matrix” both give a glimpse of this energy use and theft.

As this is the can of worms, (they?) do not want us talking about.

[Bubu]

Hey folks,

It sounds crazy, but when you're connected to the internet, most likely you're connected to something else as well...Something I don't completely understand yet...

Raf.

Like what I have said in answer to your past post, energy sound or any kind is sent in an spherical manner as in to all direction therefore can be intercepted by an indefinite number of receiver.

to answer your question. Yes energy can be intercepted otherwise we won't be communicating this manner. And therefore can be manipulated.

My question. if somebody has the capacity to intercept the focus intent of a small group why would he bother doing so when "energy is present anywhere in space in unlimited quantity" Nikola Tesla.

You're correct my friend. The computer is a tool use against just as anything that is popular to us as I have said in my recent post beware of anything that you love because it will be use against you. The trick is to use it wisely. As I often tell my children" use technology wisely for your own benefit and not allow yourself to be use by it.

[Heartsong]

As I read through titles on this forum I notice "flavors" or "smells" that are unhealthful to my stability. Sometimes I'm tempted to get into the fray but mostly now I just go on to something else. I don't think the people who initiate such energy sucking/amplifying threads are aware of what they are doing. Thrill seekers they are.

[sheme]

The key to interception of energy is intent, Just like the piano tuners fork strike a C and you will make the other C's vibrate, if you are high only high will intercept, it is a Law.

[naste.de.lumina]

It is very interesting that angle of view.
I agree with sheme about intent.
For achieving high frequency energy, this being only high frequency.
So the deliberate induction of negative energies lower frequency are much larger.

[Shannow]

a few years ago on Screamforme.com, we witnessed a number of "battles" between two people who were fairly "duking it out" with words, images, and obvious intent, not just internet discourse.

And watching it play out, it was "leaky" for want of a better phrase...

[Anchor]

> Online focused intent actions - Could your energy be intercepted and used for unintended purposes?

Specific to "focused intent actions": the energy I move, follows my intent and not the intent of another person.

The only way to "intercept" that particular energy and use it for purposes that I do not intend (unintended) is to trick me into intending in accordance with your intent.

It is why discernment is so important and taking the time to measure and weigh your actions against the source of truth within you.

[donk]

My question. if somebody has the capacity to intercept the focus intent of a small group why would he bother doing so when "energy is present anywhere in space in unlimited quantity" Nikola Tesla.

Maybe the intent and/or emotional energy of a handful of humans is stronger (more useful) and/or more easily manipulable than any other kind of energy

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Just fixing a misconception here.

Some of you believe that to fall victim of one of those entities or persons, you must previously be fearful or vibrating in low frequencies. This is absolutely wrong.

A lot of negative entities prey on the energy of love and other positive emotional charges. Human psychic vampires are known to make their victims fall in love with them, so they can drain such powerful energy.

One of the basics of psychic energy manipulation is that such energy can be converted; As an example, if you're suffering a psychic attack, you could either deflect the attacker's negative energy or absorb and convert it to positive energy.

The same goes for the contrary situation; You could send positive energy to something or someone, and this positive energy can be intercepted and either be used for other purposes as it is or converted to negative form.

Tracing a parallel with gasoline, the fuel itself doesn't care if it's used by an ambulance to save lives or by a bomber plane to kill people. Once your energy leaves you, it's out there to be used by whoever is capable of capturing it.

So, do whatever you can to keep your energy with you.

I advise you to be careful about believing that just by being a positive and good person you're immune to psychic vampirism. It doesn't work like that. It takes years to learn how to protect yourself from such things.

Anyway, going back to the central subject...

Lets say the purpose of one of those online focused intent actions is to divert or ease a storm that's happening thousands of miles away from you. Do you think you really have the skills to focus your energy with the precision required to hit a target so far away? Most people can't effectively use their psychic energy to hit a target that's only one yard away from them.

However, a skilled and well trained person can join one of those sections and easily intercept and redirect this energy to himself...In fact, once such person detects your energy signature, he can keep draining you for an extended period of time.

Let alone the most important factor, which is that the internet infra-structure itself has been used to drain people's energy and direct it to just a few specific locations, where this energy can be used for experimental purposes.

You can choose to believe me or not, but I really suspect that the internet has been used as a vehicle to conduct psychic parasites, similar to computer viruses, but they attach to people's energetic field instead.

That's it for now.

Raf.

[christian]

My question. if somebody has the capacity to intercept the focus intent of a small group why would he bother doing so when "energy is present anywhere in space in unlimited quantity" Nikola Tesla.

Why would beings create a slave species when they wouldn't really need one? Lust to do so? Fear of scarcity? I'm not sure why it's happening, but I'm fairly sure that it is happening.



The key to interception of energy is intent, Just like the piano tuners fork strike a C and you will make the other C's vibrate, if you are high only high will intercept, it is a Law.


Some of you believe that to fall victim of one of those entities or persons, you must previously be fearful or vibrating in low frequencies. This is absolutely wrong.

A lot of negative entities prey on the energy of love and other positive emotional charges. Human psychic vampires are known to make their victims fall in love with them, so they can drain such powerful energy.

Some of our predators are highly able, I think, they have the ability to access quite high frequency ranges, whether they do it themselves or with technology.

But I do think that true love is really beyond what they can corrupt. But who gets there? Sometimes people think they got it, but when it's really put to a test it comes out that they weren't where they thought they were.

I don't think that angelic, Christlike energy can be corrupted, it can't be captured or twisted. It can be imitated, however, tricking people into giving their attention and energy to an imposter. That's very real and happening all the time.

What you described, Raf, about psychic vampires making their victims "fall in love with them," this is hardly real love, I believe. It's more like blind infatuation, like when advertisements get the better of you.



Lets say the purpose of one of those online focused intent actions is to divert or ease a storm that's happening thousands of miles away from you. Do you think you really have the skills to focus your energy with the precision required to hit a target so far away? Most people can't effectively use their psychic energy to hit a target that's only one yard away from them.

However, a skilled and well trained person can join one of those sections and easily intercept and redirect this energy to himself...In fact, once such person detects your energy signature, he can keep draining you for an extended period of time.

I absolutely think that we have the ability to divert or ease storms, for example. The thing with the precision is that our thoughts are self-aware, we send them out like conscious envoys, not like bullets without a brain.

Of course, they can be intercepted and redirected. I think it's important to be aware of that and be on the lookout while doing this kind of energy work where you intend to remotely influence something.

[Anchor]

Some of you believe that to fall victim of one of those entities or persons, you must previously be fearful or vibrating in low frequencies. This is absolutely wrong.

Opinion stated as fact. However, broadly speaking I agree with it. Anyone can be deceived if they are not careful.


A lot of negative entities prey on the energy of love and other positive emotional charges. Human psychic vampires are known to make their victims fall in love with them, so they can drain such powerful energy.

Love is neither negative of positive. I think you are confusing things a bit here. Love is something that exists and its going to exist if you are of a negative disposition or positive one. (For example Love of self/"negative" vs. Love of others/"positive").

Love can be used to deceive. Manipulative lovers exist in great numbers.


One of the basics of psychic energy manipulation is that such energy can be converted; As an example, if you're suffering a psychic attack, you could either deflect the attacker's negative energy or absorb and convert it to positive energy.

Energy is neither positive or negative - the qualities you are ascribing to positive and negative are simply the work that the energy is doing, and the work happens because of intent.


Lets say the purpose of one of those online focused intent actions is to divert or ease a storm that's happening thousands of miles away from you. Do you think you really have the skills to focus your energy with the precision required to hit a target so far away? Most people can't effectively use their psychic energy to hit a target that's only one yard away from them.

I agree there are problems here but not for the reasons you state. Firstly I have seen a lot of people have different ways of trying to effect the outcome. What I have seen is that many people do not use the method of focusing on the desired outcome (in faith), but rather try to pull all the strings they think is necessary to bring about the desired outcome. Attempting to divert a storm is a good example. I don't think I have the skills you mention, but I don't need them for the way I work.


However, a skilled and well trained person can join one of those sections and easily intercept and redirect this energy to himself...In fact, once such person detects your energy signature, he can keep draining you for an extended period of time.

I think this is conjecture. Skilled and well trained people can do all sorts of things; but the only way that a vampiric entity can take your "energy" is if you let it. Unfortunately the modes in which this can happen can include you unconsciously letting such a thing happen (say you were attacked by subliminal suggestion). A lot of the methods of psychic self defense are the kinds of ritual (working) that aims to stop that by undoing any such consent and usually a ritualized askance for help in the protection from high "positive" beings.


Let alone the most important factor, which is that the internet infra-structure itself has been used to drain people's energy and direct it to just a few specific locations, where this energy can be used for experimental purposes.

You can choose to believe me or not, but I really suspect that the internet has been used as a vehicle to conduct psychic parasites, similar to computer viruses, but they attach to people's energetic field instead.

I think the problem with the internet is that people are suggestible and are open to all kinds of deception, trickery through suggestion.

Every time there is some thing to "worry" about it gets a lot of attention. Elenin/Niburu you name it - its been done. I expect some of them are completely made up. Skilled and trained people can get people on the internet running around in circles and can get people in the necessary states of fear such that further manipulation (via suggestion) is easier. We have seen compelling information here on this forum that suggest that this is not only done, but done using teams of paid shills and professional bloggers.

One only has to look at the fuss Charles caused on this forum to see another way this can work out. In my opinion Charles was an exceptionally good con-man - not even actively psychic at a conscious level (in my opinion) - he knew how to lead a focus of intent though, that's for sure. Some of the hysteria levels got so high it actually caused psychic manifestations that appeared to some to be rather like what they assumed an attack might be like - and so "they were attacked". This was so pronounced at one point you may as well have said it was a "psychic attack" since the effects were the same. Same thing happened lots of times in the history of this forum in different degrees.

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Your sig states: The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence - Aldous Huxley.

I have evidence, but it is evidence seen by me for me. I cant share it. What evidence are you going on? Is it shareable?

[SilentFeathers]

Hey Raf, the internet has changed basically the whole human species to some extent, tied in with other technologies such as wi-fi and wireless, radio and microwaves etc., even those secluded primitive tribes deep in the jungles are in some subconscious or possibly conscious way are sensing it too IMO.

On some level or to some degree, this is how I feel about it and what I think is going on....

Brainwave and Thought Pattern Manipulation - AI Technology And The Invasion Of Our Minds (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55549-Brainwave-and-Thought-Pattern-Manipulation-AI-Technology-And-The-Invasion-Of-Our-Minds)

[Curt]

Raf, great topic. And one I know virtually nothing about.

It would be helpful for me, and maybe for others, if you would explain the mechanics (metaphorically speaking) of how this works.

I understand you're still actively exploring this subject- and that you're still trying to nail things down. So, it's understandable if you don't have a full picture yet. But any preliminary theories based on your experience, with concrete examples, would be very helpful.

I remember you suffered an attack several months ago, and I'm sure it left you with some pretty specific insights.

If you are able, it would be great to hear how your current understanding has been shaped by that experience in particular.

[Old Snake]

Well,

Here we go, in the nineties there was this couple Van biese and Rauscher, they did research @ Haarp related stuff especially Low frequency stuff
(They were in the Haarp program!)
like brainwaves,They even developed a very sensitive sensor and what
do you know,she was one of the originators of the global coherence initiative, wich looks quite "green"and for the good of all.
The other side however is : they can monitor these energies and ofcourse manipulate, redirect etc.
The sensors they use are very expensive because they use exotic cores.

One thing I cannot swallow is a haarp-scientist turning benevolent.

Old Snake

[ljwheat]

Posted by RMorgan (here)
Lets say the purpose of one of those online focused intent actions is to divert or ease a storm that's happening thousands of miles away from you. Do you think you really have the skills to focus your energy with the precision required to hit a target so far away? Most people can't effectively use their psychic energy to hit a target that's only one yard away from them.


It was over 15 years ago that I participated in a experiment, threw a joint effort listening to a guided mediation with Art Bell and his guest that had similar abilities of directing energy of intent and focus and wanted to try his skills on a much larger scale.

At the time this took place their were hundreds of wild fire’s consuming northern Florida, It had not rained here for months dry as a bone, and absolutely no rain in the forecast for the foreseeable future.

This guy over the radio, had everyone that was listening to stop what they were doing to meditate on visualizing Florida as an object by scale laid out just before them, mentally extend our arms straight out on either of us, and to visualize the moister in the air above and around Florida as being loose and spread out over a very large area….

To then visualize our arms slowly coming together skimming that moisture together into a tighter more condensed area over Florida, and see it coming together and smothering the fire’s.

That same hour of focused combined energy of thought guided by and directed by one individual. Put the fire’s out in northern Florida.

The next day news casters in that area, didn’t have an explanation for the rains on that early morning, but were thanking the powers that be for this God send that help fire fighters put an end to the expanding fire’s, calling it a miracle.. And knew nothing of this early morning experiment over a radio show from New Mexico. This joint mediation only lasted 10 min. but I continued over the next hour or so repeating it to myself..

I was working the swing shift as a floor supervisor from 12 midnight to 8 am. Art Bell talk show on AM radio is were I was first introduce to people Art interviewed like Bob Lazar, Ed Dames, Alex Jones, Alex Collier, a hole gambit of alterative topic you just didn’t hear on normal out lets.

So when Camelot came along I was well in tune with this side of the fence that all in all the general public doesn’t know even exists.

[RMorgan]

Raf, great topic. And one I know virtually nothing about.

It would be helpful for me, and maybe for others, if you would explain the mechanics (metaphorically speaking) of how this works.

I understand you're still actively exploring this subject- and that you're still trying to nail things down. So, it's understandable if you don't have a full picture yet. But any preliminary theories based on your experience, with concrete examples, would be very helpful.

I remember you suffered an attack several months ago, and I'm sure it left you with some pretty specific insights.

If you are able, it would be great to hear how your current understanding has been shaped by that experience in particular.

Hey Curt,

Lets talk about the mechanics behind the phenomena.

Basically, it's something like: signature detection > visualization > manifestation > attack/defense.

Signature detection is nothing new...Traditional magick practitioners know that to connect to an individual's energetically, you have to find out his signature, which is as unique as fingerprints. The best ways to find out one's energetic signature is to collect something that belongs to him, maintain visual contact or manage to make him voluntarily give it up.

We're all born with very basic energetic shields to protect us from regular electromagnetic interference. This shield is not enough to protect from elaborate attacks, though. Once you "broadcast" your signature during one of those online focused intent events, it's out in the open; Anyone with enough skills can detect and connect to you.

Visualization is a way to give shape to energy, which is abstract, so you can work on it. After some years of practice, visualizations leave the realm of imagination enabling the psychic to truly manifest fully functional energetic shapes to help him with his tasks...

Think about the Green Lantern comic hero, only on a psychic level; He manifests whatever shape he wants through his alien green ring...

Something similar happens to psychic attackers; Very often, they drain people's energy by manifesting tentacles or similar shapes on the psychic level, through visualization. Then they use such tentacles to reach and drain his victims. Depending on the level of skills, one can create, visualize and manifest quasi-independent entities to conduct his work for him. I believe those "shadow spiders" I used to deal with are a similar kind of entities, on a much bigger scale, though.

The same technique is used to created sophisticate psychic shields. You give shape to your own energy to fit this purpose by visualizing such shape and then, with enough practice, manifesting it...After a while, it becomes natural, like breathing.

I was involved with psychic vampires when I was a teenager and learned a lot from them. It's important to notice that not all psychic vampires are bad. Most of the time, it's a condition; They're born like this...From that point, they're free to choose what path to follow. Basically, it's a condition where a person can't keep his own energy; It leaks constantly, so they need to drain energy from others to live...There are a lot of psychic vampires out there who aren't even aware of their condition, in fact.

Some of them choose to drain energy from crowds, taking negligible amounts of energy from lots of persons without harming anyone. Others find people who volunteer to give them part of their energy. Others are aggressive types who enjoy draining people's energy until exhaustion or worse.

Anyway, I lost contact with those guys, mostly because it was not really my thing...I just learned what I could and moved away to pursue my own path. To be honest, we had a band and I was invited for another band and accepted...Bands are good for this kind of people, you know, a lot of people looking at you, voluntarily connecting with you.

Recently, I met one of them once again. He's a cool guy; Very intelligent and aware. He's got a really beautiful family now. Impressively enough, he was the one who started this conversion about the internet being used as virtual roads to conduct attacks and drain psychic energy. People really concentrate in front of their computers and gadgets, reaching a hypnotic like state, which broadcasts their signature and leaves them open to such things.

He said something interesting to me. I don't know if it's true or not, though. A sign that a psychic connection has been established is when one stops blinking for abnormal periods of time while connected to the internet. Personally, this used to happen a lot to me in the past.

He also talked to me about entities, such as "shadow spiders", being used massively as energy collectors...The conversation was pretty interesting. His hypothesis was in general very similar to mine.

According to him, the internet has been used to collect people's energy mostly to feed an oracle like AI entity, who's able to see into the future and calculate the outcome of any strategy in real time....I always suspected about the AI thing, but not about the oracle part, though. Really interesting stuff that's worth investigating further.

Anyway, Curt. Back to the "zapping" episode which happened to me here a while ago. I believe it only worked because it caught me by surprise. Before it, I never thought the internet could be used for such purposes. It was an eye opening thing, really.

After that, I've detected several similar attempts, but since I was aware of it, they didn't work.

It's important to say that the "zapping" thing and the global scale internet psychic thing are different animals. Currently, I'm convinced that whoever was behind that personal attack, he is a regular guest, most likely an active member. I suspect he or she, or mostly probably them, is still here, because I constantly feel his energetic signature lurking around.

I suspect I actually know who they are, but I will not accuse anyone without knowing for sure...Don't even bother asking me via PM; I wont answer. This is serious stuff...Even if I knew for sure, I think I'd rather leave them alone.

Well, that's it for now. Let me know if you have any questions.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Heartsong]

Good Mornin' Raf.
Prayer is a potent directed intent. Is a prayer in anyway protected from entities they might steal the energy?

[naste.de.lumina]

I think prayers should not overlap with physical laws of action and reaction.
So if prayer is not done correctly, can hinder rather than help.
If prayer emits shortage, you get back shortage. Low vibration.
If prayer emits despair you get back despair. Low vibration.
Intent is mental.
Feeling is heart.
The heart is 5,000 times more powerful than the brain electromagnetically.
So intent without feeling does not help much.
The ideal then is to think (intention) and feel united in a common goal in prayer.
In my opinion the best is the prayer of gratitude(thinking and feeling), it emits high vibrations, so it is what you receive back.

[RMorgan]

Good Mornin' Raf.
Prayer is a potent directed intent. Is a prayer in anyway protected from entities they might steal the energy?

Hello my friend,

What I can say is that, if you're praying to a specific entity, you'd better be sure that it really is what you believe it to be.

As an example, I could say that the Roman Catholic church and doctrine had manipulated people along the centuries to believe that they are worshiping and praying to a benevolent entity, while, the way I see it, it's quite the contrary...A lot of religions perform "satanic" rituals in plain sight, disguising them as benevolent.

This is life. A lot of important things and values are subverted to persuade people to do things that they wouldn't do if they were aware of what they really are.

So, sure...In my opinion, if you want to pray, pray. Just be careful not to say any specific names to evoke any specific entity and make sure you're not following any specific religious doctrines during your prayers.

Sometimes people pray and worship objects like the Cross, without really being aware about its true nature...What good results could come out of using an object that clearly represents death, blood and suffering , as a vehicle for your prayers? If Jesus had died in an electric chair or guillotine, wold people pray for it as well? It doesn't make any sense...

Just be careful with involving any religious doctrine or any entity's name in your prayers, unless you're absolutely sure about what it really represents.

Anyway, don't take my words very seriously. Just tune with your intuition and use it as your guide...That's the best guide you can possibly have, if you're really tuned to it. I'm not in position of teaching anyone about anything. I'm just exploring some ideas and concepts in this thread; That's all.

Raf.

[Mike]

energy is certainly big currency in this universe - perhaps the biggest and most sought after. and I have a feeling humans are the easiest targets. thus, energy vampirism.

truthfully, I walk the line between regarding it as a serious threat, and also thinking perhaps it's an overly esoteric explanation for something that might be quite pedestrian. for example, how can one discern between tiredness or everyday fatigue and energy vampirism? if such a thing truly exists, it's vital we become aware of it; but if it doesn't, at least not in the way we think it does, we may cause and experience unnecessary paranoia.

I've heard many people I respect speak of energy vampirism as a very real thing, both as something they've been the victim of and as something they could perform if they so chose. and yet, I've never experienced this - at least not that I'm aware of. I'm either hopelessly unaware of such things, lovingly protected from such things by some benevolent force, or...perhaps I'm looking in the wrong direction. in other words,"psychic vampirism", being such a fancy phrase, perhaps it has me expecting demonic entities emerging from creepy portals when I should just be looking at the people around me. everybody has an energy sucking friend or 2, a friend who walks into a room and immediately everything gets *heavy*. this I have experienced. it's very real. it's just that the term "psychic vampirism" has such evil and malevolent connotations that one might expect something a bit more dramatic than this.

as far as focused intent groups - I think they are largely benevolent. mostly good. regarding them as otherwise, on the risk/reward scale of things, may be more dangerous than the actual vampirism we're discussing. what I mean is, I fear if we become overly paranoid we'll seize up, become emotionally and spiritually paralyzed. I think intent *can* be manipulated if one is tricked into supporting a cause that at first appears benevolent but at it's core is not; but if one is clear and focused, and one knows exactly what he/she is trying to accomplish, then the road will be smooth and bump-free. I dunno - maybe I'm being naïve. I'm very open to that possibility, but this is the way I see it.

it's ironic - i've practically begged for a psychic experience - good or bad - and have experienced virtually nothing. I've said this before and i'll say it again: I have so little faith that anyone can affect me in any way psychically that I'm perfectly willing to hand out 50 Chinaski voodoo dolls, pins and all, to the first 50 people that hate me enough to prove me wrong:). i'll even chant creepy incantations to prepare if that'll help! i'll read from the devil's bible! you name it!

I am open to all possibilities, however, and hope with everything I have that some of our focused intent experiments are effective. but the power/energy required to manipulate all that energy negatively, if it is indeed possible, would seem to make attaining it a wash. my 2 cents.

[RMorgan]

Hey Mike,

Man, are you sure you've never met someone who leaves you exhausted just by being next to him? Think about it.

This is the most common kind of psychic vampire; They aren't even aware of their condition and don't drain people's energy on purpose.

I could bet most people crossed paths with such kind of people at least a couple of times in their lives.

You're right. Discernment is always fundamental.

I guess, once you really know yourself, you become aware about the difference between regular everyday tiredness and tiredness that might be connected to some certain activities or persons...

Some people, places and activities leave you exhausted for no apparent reason...One should always pay attention to these kinds of situations, in order to avoid them.

Anyway, I'm glad you haven't experienced any major psychic attack episode yourself. It's not something pleasant.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Mike]

Hey Raf, oh man, I absolutely have had a few energy draniers in my life!;) Without a doubt. I can think of 2 or 3 just off hand. I believe that's what I wrote - I'll have to reread it.

I'd love to hear more about your experience man.

[Octavusprime]

Raf,

This whole thing seems like a "damned if I do, Damned if I don't" situation.

So many believe that intent is the driver of personal destiny. Through prayer or positive thought, one can actually effect the physical universe/personal reality.

You are saying that we as people cannot accurately focus our intent and that this intent is widely broadcasted for anyone or anything to catch and use as they see fit. How are you so sure that we cannot pinpoint our intent to the desired target? I mean, yes I agree if you focus on an idol that has meaning other than what you were thought to believe it to have, then ones energies could be misdirected. How would a focus group that is directing its positive intentions at say redirecting a hurricane be endanger of unintentionally beaming that good will at a malicious entity?

The entity knows your "signature" and can just drain without your consent?

How do you identify that you are being drained?

How do you stop it if it is occurring?

You got the gears churning on this one. Thanks.

Cheers!

[nonesuch]

Intentional psychic vampirism or, to invent a cooler contemporary sounding term, "deliberate criminal energy extraction" usually isn't noticed by those who are not psychically aware, precisely because they're not.

Chinaski, I wouldn't wish for you what you jokingly wished for yourself in regard to needles and dolls. Its like George Bush ignorantly bragging, "Bring it on!" without a clue of what he was invoking or the absence of awareness he displayed with such pride.

Though you're about 1000 times brighter and more entertaining than our former President, you're not experienced in the area of psychic phenomena by your own admission. You wouldn't want what you've asked for in jest, but its there for the taking regardless of your belief.

If your words held more power, I'd guess you might have already had a bad day, but your happy-go-lucky nature (see the first card of the Major Arcana in the Tarot), open heart and psychic harmlessness are your protection. If a vampire snuggled up to you offering gifts in exchange for a little 'pick me up,' you'd probably feel sorry for them, offer them some of your abundance of good energy for free, and be on your way, none the wiser. Keep up the good work because it protects you to a great degree from the very experiences you say you'd love to have.

[Mike]

Hi Nonesuch, I think you're right in many respects - I've often thought that perhaps as far as psychic phenomena goes i'm a bit of an idiot savant....I can easily see myself tripping over the psychic vampire and falling just in time to miss the blade of the grim reaper.;). Ive seen many many psychics, but only 1 has been accurate; and that one psychic told me that I was heavily protected spirituallly. Perhaps that accounts for my luck, if you want to call it that.

Raf, I just reread one of your posts, and you specifically asked members not.to inquire further about your "zap" experience...and here I was asking you for more info in my last post! Sorry brother!;). I missed that initially.

[Rocky_Shorz]

if you are passing energy for good, healing or peace, it isn't the energy dark beings feed on...

they feed on Anger and Hatred, their source, racism and religions who preach war and inequalities to others...

if a being is with us and needs healing so bad he would draw from the collective, we would give him our energy freely, no need to ask or apologize...

the moment you are "told to think" it was stolen, it brings up a non intentional defensive anger, allowing your healing energy to change and be drawn by a bloodsucking leach...

our bodies are surrounded by energy that instantly refills when it is used...

understand and you will never be drained, it's not possible, if you are tired and need to sleep, it isn't from someone taking your energy, it's because you need rest...

I try to help hold down the fear in this area, you are all space age spiritual beings tucked into a model T ford and told some day, you'll be able to upgrade to a Chevy?

and how is that better?

we are Spiritual Rockets that can cross billions of light years in a thought, then pop back without losing our breath...

some conscious minds aren't ready to meet their Spirit, doesn't mean it won't happen, just not yet...

fear in energy sharing, opens the door you want to stay locked...

it's simple, don't worry and it won't happen...

you are all, that good...

[Octavusprime]

This all reminds me of this quote I saw the other day.... Can rejection of fear based thoughts be protection against psychic assault? Nothing to fear but fear itself.

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[RMorgan]

Raf,

This whole thing seems like a "damned if I do, Damned if I don't" situation.

So many believe that intent is the driver of personal destiny. Through prayer or positive thought, one can actually effect the physical universe/personal reality.

You are saying that we as people cannot accurately focus our intent and that this intent is widely broadcasted for anyone or anything to catch and use as they see fit. How are you so sure that we cannot pinpoint our intent to the desired target? I mean, yes I agree if you focus on an idol that has meaning other than what you were thought to believe it to have, then ones energies could be misdirected. How would a focus group that is directing its positive intentions at say redirecting a hurricane be endanger of unintentionally beaming that good will at a malicious entity?

The entity knows your "signature" and can just drain without your consent?

How do you identify that you are being drained?

How do you stop it if it is occurring?

You got the gears churning on this one. Thanks.

Cheers!

Hey Octavus,

Yes. I'm saying exactly that. People are aware of psychic energy, but most of them have no idea about how it works. As always, it's not wise to mess with things you don't understand.

For instance, I can say that, to effectively direct psychic energy to, lets say, divert a storm, one must have the experience and skills of a very seasoned remote viewer, so he can direct his focus accurately to the exact location of the storm and start working from there.

As I said before, it's all about visualization. Taking visualization from the imagination realm to the manifestation realm is extremely difficult.

Basically, you have to imagine something strongly enough until it becomes real; It's an extremely complicated process, mostly because it involves so many abstractions.

Lets continue using the diverting a storm situation as an example...Think about HAARP and the extremely complex fundamentals behind it. How much energy is necessary to create a storm through such equipment? The point is, an equivalent amount of psychic energy would be necessary to divert a storm, and not only that; this energy must be directed with GPS precision.

If it was that simple, I mean, just imagine a storm and think about it dissolving, the US or whatever country involved in weather manipulation would've been using psychics instead of extremely expensive equipment for such tasks.

The fact is, to summarize, most of us are aware of psychic energy, but we're not quite there yet in order to use it with the same precision as we use our hands...Not even close.

About energy signatures; Yes. Draining can absolutely happen without consent. Once someone detects an energetic signature, he can simply keep draining. However, it requires a tremendous amount of skill and concentration to find the same signature again from a distance, unless, of course, the same signature comes bouncing in your face once again.

Regular psychic vampires usually can only drain while keeping visual contact. On the next level, he can keep draining if he's got a personal belonging of his target, to establish the link; This demands a great deal of skills, though.

Back to the importance of visual contact; Seeing the target helps, but it's not the seeing that establishes the link itself. It's just a facilitator. The core factor to establish a link is communication. As an example, in forums like this, I'm reading what you write and you're reading what I'm writing. Communication is established and, if desired, can be used to establish a connective link.

To sum up, whenever there's communication, there are many levels of exchange, including the psychic level.

So, how do you identify a possible attack...

First, you must be tuned to your own energetic field all the time. Most people just tune to it while meditating and then forget about it for the rest of the day. It takes quite a deal of work to become conscious about yourself all the time, but it can be done.

Once you are tuned and consciously aware of your energetic field, you can perceive its normal every day fluctuations, and, of course, you can also perceive when something is not quite right.

As I said, it's not easy. There are many distractions on everyday life that can disrupt your self-awareness focus...Most of us engage in auto-pilot mode several times during the day. Self-awareness is the exact opposite of auto-pilot; It's being aware of what happens to you, within you and around you, all the time.

As to how to stop a psychic attack. Obviously, to stop it, you must be aware that it's happening. Unfortunately, in the vast majority of cases, people only realize that something is wrong after it happened.

As to prevent it, the best way to do it is to build a strong psychic shield. It requires a lot of focus to build it at first, and even more focus to maintain it. After a while, it becomes second nature, though; You just think about it and it's there.

Envision a sphere blue light originating from the area where your heart is. Think of this as your own energy. It is your protective energy being utilized. Every time you inhale, this expands.

As it grows, it pushes out any residual negative energy in you. Imagine it growing until it is big enough to contain you and you are inside it.

Take some time seeing yourself inside this sphere of light. Visualize that even when you open your eyes and end the practice, this ball of light is still surrounding you, giving you the protection you need.

When ready, take a deep breath and open your eyes slowly. Feel your protective sphere around you, shielding you from anything psychically harmful. Do this exercise whenever you feel that you require protection.

In time, it will be easier for you to place a psychic shield around you. It will take less and less effort than the first time. As you get more used to the creation of a psychic shield, you can further your skill by creating additional layers to the shield or altering its shape for different purposes.


Hi Nonesuch, I think you're right in many respects - I've often thought that perhaps as far as psychic phenomena goes i'm a bit of an idiot savant....I can easily see myself tripping over the psychic vampire and falling just in time to miss the blade of the grim reaper.;). Ive seen many many psychics, but only 1 has been accurate; and that one psychic told me that I was heavily protected spirituallly. Perhaps that accounts for my luck, if you want to call it that.

Raf, I just reread one of your posts, and you specifically asked members not.to inquire further about your "zap" experience...and here I was asking you for more info in my last post! Sorry brother!;). I missed that initially.

Hey Mike,

It's normal, mate. One of my best friends is just like you... :)

He deeply wishes to experience something "paranormal", but so far, it never happened to him...He trusts me 100% when I say something is wrong, though.

Anyway, psychics are another deal...Honestly, I'm yet to meet a true psychic, you know, someone who can see into the future and this kind of stuff. I've met some quite good "cold readers", though.

I'm quite reluctant to use the term "psychic" myself...It's quite a worn out word, charged with misconceptions.

The way I see it, the so called "psychic field" is just our natural electromagnetic field. It performs functions that are yet unknown to science, but science knows its there.

I see it as just another organ. It's part of our natural structure.

Man, you misunderstood my previous post. Feel absolutely free to ask me about the "zapping" episode. Just don't ask me about who do I believe to be behind it, because I have my suspicions, but nothing concrete; It would be unfair to accuse someone without knowing for sure.

Cheers,

Raf.

[donk]

How would a focus group that is directing its positive intentions at say redirecting a hurricane be endanger of unintentionally beaming that good will at a malicious entity?

I don't think there's a danger in this as you stated it. I feel there's a lot more danger in an entity or being using and redirecting the energy for their purposes. As to "malevolent", everyone thinks they're "good" usually...I don't think the worry is the gnarly literal monsters that just get off on devouring people/energy...the real concern (to me anyway), are the agenda 21 types , those we call the illumanti...the hidden elite that think they know what's best for us, or pretend they do while actually they wanna control or drain or us. The "ends justify the means" type usually operate on what they consider a benevolent level. I don't think the danger is in the lack of precision, it's just that those that lack the adeptness to be precise are maybe projecting something much more easily manipulated or redirected?

Another consideration is to bring this idea to our favorite place "where science and spirituality meet"...aside from the esoteric end, perhaps we should bring technology to the picture? We speak of exceptional people and technologies as seperate things, but we know groups and agencies try to reverse engineer any ability they can find & get their hands on, do we really think they can manipulate the weather, but not people that are able to manipulate the weather?

It seems a lot of times the truly aware know where they are intertwined, but no one wants to consider that there exists any tech or knowledge in the hands of those that'd hide it, for whatever purposes? It's easy to think in black and white, we're programmed to associate a vampire with a monster, we're conditioned to seperate seemingly complex ideas, it's how they're used against us IMO

[Robin]

I found an interview of Lady Gaga that may shed some light on what is being discussed in this thread. I think that it is very telling about how the Illuminati controls celebrities and how celebrities literally feed of of the energy that is being directed at them. Lady Gaga talks about how she receives energy from her fans, and I can tell that she really doesn't want to be controlled by the Illuminati. She has no other choice just like the rest of the puppets.

I took the time to transcribe the part of the interview that is relevant here. I think that you, Raf, are really onto something here. I think that we all are capable of absorbing energy, and it does not have to be fear-based. I think that once we stop giving attention to these people, they simply will not have anymore power over us. Starting at 22:30...

Lady Gaga Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtTbGt0pOkc)


LG: But actually when I go on stage, you can't imagine the energy of all of those fans

Interviewer: When you are talking about your reaction to your fans...we've been talking to some of the fans that have been making these video diaries and they're obviously, they love you. I'm interested in your relationship towards your fans because every artist has a lot of fans and you know, they have a certain relationship. Your relationship seems to be particularly intense.

LG: It is

Interviewer: What do you get from them, I mean not just when you're performing, but when you see them outside the hotel, when they talk to you?

LG: Well, I choose to receive their love. And because of that it's become very intimate over the years. I think that, you know, maybe in your suggestion that my relationship with my fans is different than some...other pop artists. I think some of it is because there is a separation between them and the work for some people...that what I'm doing here, and what is happening here, are two different things. But because I've studied even Stanislavski since I was eleven years old, you know, I have a sense of...I have a sense. So because of that I'm aware of their energy all of the time, and I receive it...so I NEED it for my work. I can't survive as what I've become without them, because they've injected this love into me that carries through into every single moment of my life, and for me to separate and compartmentalize my work from them is dishonest, and that's what I'm learning working with Jeff, and working with Marina, and working with Bob.

You know working with Jeff is very intense because you see his pure joy in creating, like a child. I mean, he loves it so much. And this is what I am so inspired by because then you make it accessible for everyone to know that if you love something, and then you apply the discipline, and then the EYE for the theatricality of it, whatever it may be, and then the integrity of the message for me which is what Jeff is all about.

It's then that something really magical can occur. That's when the moment happens. That in explainable moment.

Interviewer: I don't mean to interrupt that, sorry. When you are, uh, leave the...

LG: Didn't mean to interrupt.

Interviewer: (laughs) These things happen, you know. You've got a lot to say.

LG: I don't know, do I? I might sound total sh**. Your ratings will go down...I don't even know why you put me on this show.

Interviewer: (laughs) When you go out of the hotel, and you see the fans, you present yourself in various ways. And those are very different looks perhaps on what you would get on Artpop or something on X Factor. It's like another world that you're creating.

LG: Well I think that it's important that you be intelligent about your audience when you're communicating with them, because walking out of a hotel is not the same as performing on X Factor. You have to consider all of the variables. It's not the same canvas. When you're leaving the hotel and it's just me and my fans and the Paparazzi, you know, it's a different thing.

And also I always stay in this hotel now, so it's become a stage for me to leave. So I've become more acquainted with it, and they probably love it as well because, you know, they're able to see me truly in my element. There are a lot of things you don't see. The Corporate musical world is terrifying...I hate it.

Interviewer: Why do you hate it?

LG: Because they try to tell me what to do...the entire time.

Interviewer: Even now?

LG: Yes, of course. I became a pop star because of my incessant drive and my love for creating. And then you're faced with this sort of choice. Am I going to go left or right and am I going to allow these Corporate projectionists drive what I do? And, it's tormenting...for me. It's actually physically painful. So I had to just decide if I am going to allow that and allow people to project things on me..and..and..and do that.

And I've decided that the only people I'm going to allow to project things on me are Marina Abramovic, Jeff Koons, and Bob Wilson, because I'd rather be their vehicle than allow myself to be controlled by Corporations and things that really don't know what the fu** they're doing. And it's poison, and it's the death of art, and it's killing young people, because, you know, it's just like fast food. You know? It might taste good at first, but after you eat it for many years, you might get really fat or sick and die. So...I just want to feed my fans with food.

[Robin]

I'd really like to hear opinions correlating the topic of this thread and musicians. Why are some musicians controlled by the Illuminati but other similar musicians not? Would the Illuminati suck all of the energy at every rock concert, for instance, even those concerts with bands not controlled by the Illuminati?

Or do they target bands that elicit a certain emotion that is just the right vibrational frequency? I wonder if love/adoration (the Beatles, Lady Gaga...) and fear (never-ending wars) are on the same vibrational frequency...:noidea:

I have some researching to do. More later...

[Heartsong]

It seems like they target the young and insecure or perhaps just the insecure. These people are shuttered away from unbiased counsel and have week support systems. Perhaps performing is the only thing they feel they can do. I notice they have more success with individuals that large groups. They haven't taken on any symphonies to my knowledge.