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xidaijena
30th November 2013, 08:59
Please see below pictures.

xidaijena
30th November 2013, 09:04
The Second Home was set up in April, 2009. The 1st branch of the Second Home was located in Anning City of Yunnan Province. After four and a half years of construction, it has already become a land of idyllic beauty.

BEFORE

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Now

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See more here:

Contrastive Photos : Before and After the Building of All 3 Branches in the Second Home (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6675&page=1&extra=#pid21944)

Mike Gorman
30th November 2013, 09:04
Why are the local people so angry about you being there-can't you get the police to help you, the authorities to defend your rights to the land?

xidaijena
30th November 2013, 09:11
The 3rd branch of the Second Home was established in June, 2011. After two and a half years of constructiuon, it has also become a beautiful place where is full of green trees, colorful flowers, and lots of birds singing.

It was forced to close by the local governments from April to November of 2013. No feedback was given nor action taken during the six months when the road leading to the third branch was vandalised, the power and network cables were cut, and part of our gate was pulled down.

In November of 2013, under the threat of forty local villagers and local government bureaus, the forty members who lived in the 3rd branch were forced to withdraw, beginning on the ninth and finishing on the nineteenth.

Before

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Now

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See more here:

Contrastive Photos : Before and After the Building of All 3 Branches in the Second Home (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6675&page=1&extra=#pid21944)

xidaijena
30th November 2013, 09:17
The 4th branch of the Second Home was set up in August of 2011. For two and a half years, we have devoted all of our human effort, material resources, and money to transform this wild land into a real paradise. It has hosted many foreign visitors from fifteen countries around the world.

Beginning November 30, 2013, and continuing through today, we are being forced to close down by the local governments, with no written legal documents.


Before

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Now

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See more here:

Contrastive Photos : Before and After the Building of All 3 Branches in the Second Home (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6675&page=1&extra=#pid21944)

xidaijena
30th November 2013, 09:33
Why are the local people so angry about you being there-can't you get the police to help you, the authorities to defend your rights to the land?

Thank you for asking, dear. They think we will be a big threat to the society and will do something illegal in the future. They didn't believe and couldn't understand what the community is. They just try all means to dismiss us. It's not the centre govenments' decision but local governments'. When we share the news about the 3rd branch on the Internet, because there were no pics, the policemen couldn't and didn't want to help us.

But now we have pics in the 4th branch, and one of our sisters was hurt by them, there came 4 policemen to see the situation this afternoon. There's no result for the local policemen didn't want to help us. So this is why I need your help here to spread the crazy matter so wildely to let Chinese President Xi Jinping know and solve it!

Milneman
30th November 2013, 10:30
We can do nothing. I'm sad to say that, but it's the truth.

Your government has repeatedly oppressed those it considers threats, that it considers dangerous to its continued existence. The reality is the people of your country must initiate the change from within. And this is going to be hard. But how badly do you want it?

If what I've read follows true, it's time for the Asian spring.

I really...really...hate to say this, given how desperate your situation is. Remember 1989. Remember Tibet. You are the next Tibet.

I pray the Blessed Mother will watch over and protect you.

***edit***

Just to point out a very obvious fact. If you're posting from inside The People's Republic of China, the government will be reading what you're sending, and what we're sending back in return. Just saying.

wisky
30th November 2013, 11:55
But now we have pics in the 4th branch, and one of our sisters was hurt by them, there came 4 policemen to see the situation this afternoon. There're no result for the local policemen didn't want to help us. So this is why I need your help here to spread the crazy matter so wildely to let Chinese President Xi Jinping know and solve it!

You are certainly serving humanity well, but from the controllers' perspective, what you are doing is a threat to their control system. In their shoes/mind: What if more people follow your ideas and start building their own eco village. Remember the game of them is called ultimate control. Spreading the matter wide MAY NOT be a wise idea/decision from my humble opinion. Letting your president know MAY cause you more new troubles than solving your existing one. If I were you, I will stay low profile, do your job, but be a street smart, try getting along well with different parties(including local officials), and let time and chaos passes.

After the storm is over, you and your villagers will thrive!

mosquito
30th November 2013, 12:29
You need to be careful, there are obviously forces at work here that don't want your community to flourish. As a foreigner in China, I'm VERY well treated; in nearly 6 years, I have NEVER witnessed anything untoward, and am only aware of the unpleasantness that goes on here via some friends. I don't know the fullness of your situation, and can only suggest that if your occupation of the land is 100% legal, and if your community leader hasn't done anything to antagonize a local official, then I'd like to believe the police should help you. It seems that the people attacking you are "local" people, but from the photos, they do not look like local peasant farmers to me ! If they are, they don't resemble any of the countryside dwellers I encounter in Sichuan. Is there a possibility they are government people mascarading as locals ??

I don't know. But it certainly seems as though there is much more going on here than a simple dispute with a village community. Does your community leader have any influential contacts ? Have you taken legal advice ?

Good luck, 小心啊!

CD7
30th November 2013, 13:05
My heart goes out to you xidaijena and all the people living in your community...its an extremely frustrating situation--<3 <3 <3

Bill Ryan
30th November 2013, 13:10
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My sincere thanks indeed for sharing this important story -- from the other side of the world from many of us! I'm very glad you are here with us on Avalon. The perspective you can provide can help us all a very great deal.

There's some evidence to suggest that communities like yours are regarded as potential threats by authorities in almost every country. Avalon member giovonni (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45-giovonni), who lives with James Gilliand on his ranch community ECETI (http://www.eceti.org), in Washington State in the Northwest USA, will be happy to tell the story about how James's community was also attacked by local authorities with an apparent agenda to take him down.

Giovonni reports regularly from James' ranch, on this thread:

Up At The Ranch And Beyond (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond)

It's almost like a kind of religious persecution, that's been going on for thousands of years in every culture. If you are 'different', and are seeking to live your life according to different principles, values and beliefs, that's always a threat to the control system of the state. It's seen throughout history, and it's a kind of archetype: that's also why that very theme is at the center of the storyline of so many Hollywood movies (the most recent of those is The Hunger Games). Everyone recognizes it. It's always there.

I wish you well in everything you're doing. It feels important, and it also feels very important that you're able to thrive and succeed in your vision. We salute you and all your friends. Please let them know that there are people now in Australia, Europe, the Middle East, Africa, India, and both North and South America (and other places too!) who are all supporting you.

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The above image is taken from the movie The Hunger Games (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1392170/). I can't know if you have seen this in China. The heroine, Katniss Everdeen, makes a three-fingered salute to the millions that are watching her in the televised fight-to-the-death contest -- inspiring a revolution as she does so.

christian
30th November 2013, 13:49
Like a pack of jealous hyenas! :mad2:

I'm very sorry to hear this. Thank you for your efforts, Jena, you're stellar!

It may surprise many, but homeowners' rights seem to be quite well protected in China, judging by what happened in the case of a man who owned a building right where a highway was supposed to be constructed (http://metro.co.uk/2012/11/22/highway-built-around-house-in-china-whose-owners-refused-to-move-539906/). He had the right to keep his house or be compensated. Eventually he agreed to the latter (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9717218/Chinese-home-surrounded-by-highway-demolished.html).

If there's vicious people from the local authorities against you, maybe then it's appropriate to let the central government know that local authorities are abusing their power, which would be something that the central government would not want. – 天高皇帝远

In a case like yours, you just gotta think strategically, because being in the right morally doesn't help you when push comes to shove. You gotta see who could have an interest in helping you or who could have an interest in pushing back those who attack you. Find out what leverage you have, who your allies could be, very pragmatically, and go for it, gently but firmly.

Good luck, always! :hug:

Nasu
30th November 2013, 16:10
Thank you for posting this, like Bill said your vision and situation are special, the work you do is important, thank you. I do not know the locals as you do, nor do I have the understandings that you do, regarding the local political or cultural environment, but I do have one small piece of advice, for what it's worth.

Your old countryman Master Zi or Sun Zu pointed out that if you are weak yet occupy a central position, either geographically or mentally, you should put great effort to make ally's and friends! Make ally's of your neighbor wherever you can. If one or two remain firmly against your position, with work and time, they will become the minority.

Let your enemies plot, while you focus your intentions instead on helping people OUTSIDE of your community, with the support of your wider community you undermine their strength.

Together we are stronger. Love to you, your family and your mission...x... N (holding up one hand with three finger salute)

ghostrider
30th November 2013, 17:15
The show of force is designed to spread fear into your peaceful environment , the ptb do not want people to be free , or peaceful , and especially organized in living , growing food , depending on yourselves ... The mention of their statement you have ten days , now your group will have sleepless nights and live in fear of what may or may not happen ...Peacefully protesting and standing your ground will openly show the governments tyranny and insanity to the world ... we wish you all the best in your struggle to live and be free ... we can spread the word , the one thing leaders fear the most , being treated like celebrity , shinning the light on them , making them famous around the world ...thus exposing their dirty deeds ...

Nanoo Nanoo
30th November 2013, 18:49
Hello Xidaijena


While i empithise with your situation whats needed right now is to effect fast counter measures to ensure your safety.

Firstly what is being done to repair and fortify your front gate ? If it can be kicked in so easily then you may risk a return attack.

Secondly how many men do you have in your community ?

As part of your community do you learn self defence ? Any sort of dicipline to encourage strength and confidence ?

What i can see is a long narrow path to your front gate ? this is good , its important to make the front door hard to get into. This will bide you time in future and also act as a deterrant.

Its no use relying on police etc .. half of these mean are possibly off duty police officers.

Either way i would put in an official complaint with photos and lodge it at your local station then lodge one with your local UN civil rights station.

Dont rely on them to help ,assume they will do nothing, in the mean time fortify your home to make it less of a target.

N

blufire
30th November 2013, 20:36
Jena, I first want to apologize to you for what I am about to say. I challenged you on this thread of yours: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65259-A-Spiritual-Community-in-China-Seeks-Urgent-International-Help

And I am going to challenge you again.

I also want to be clear in saying that I do believe you and the people in your community, that have lived and worked side by side these past few years, are innocents and victims.

There is little doubt in my mind that this solely and I mean solely comes down to money and who put up the very large sums of money to buy this land and all the very expensive and extraordinary improvements and infrastructure.

You said:

Hearing the noices, everyone run up to the gate. We emphasised again that without any offical or legal paper they are not allowed to enter into this land. But they didn't listen to us and the children were frightened and cried. They entered and announced the land belongs to them and they are coming to take the land back. When seeing some of our people took photos, they shouted to us, tried to take our cameras rudely.

Finally we drove them away and they said we should move out in 10 days. Of course we won't do that and let's see what will continue the next!

These men said the land belonged to them and that you had to be out in 10 days . . . . and I bet they are more than correct.

I do not feel this has much to do with the ideals you have about your eco village and living in harmony with each other and who you call the Creator.

Jena you and the other community members that have lived there the last 2 or 4 (?) years and have done an incredible amount of work to make your community as beautiful as it is today, but in my business/logical mind I keep coming back to who paid all the money for the land, building materials, utilities, equipment etc. to outfit these communities? In the US, what I see in your pictures and on the website this would cost several million dollars. Who had this much money to fund all that has been done in such a short amount of time?

Somewhere on the website I read that the community members surrendered all their earthly possessions to the founder of the organization (I think). I doubt seriously if you and the others in your community had very much in any type of fashion and especially not monetary.

So who contributed all this money to build these communities? You and the others supplied large amounts of sweat equity . . . . who supplied the cash?

I think whoever that is wants their money back . . . . .

I know that I really make people on the forum angry because I have thrown cold water on other ‘community projects’ that have been posted on Avalon . . . one being: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50385-An-Opportunity-to-Live-in-Ecuador

I feel strongly that if we are to create truly NEW way of living that are self sustaining, abundant, equal for all, spiritual and all the other we have discussed over the years on this forum, then it truly needs to be NEW and cutting edge and against all other parameters that are so deeply engrained . . . . the main one is money and the huge gulf between those who have and those who have not.

So Jena . . . look down the road of who has the money, where the money came from, where all that money went and exactly who is going to be out in the cold upcoming winter in 10 days . . . just you and the other community family and do you get back what you gave when you entered the community life and/or compensated for all the years of work you and the others have done?

sheme
30th November 2013, 21:47
I was only thinking today that China's roll in the New World order, was ,after all the recent disclosures about clandestine eugenics and population control happening in the rest of the world fairly outstandingly honest - at least the Chinese authorities were up front and let the people know what the plan was - one child for every couple. I am sure if the authorities know what is happening they would assist you.

Doesn't China have a kind of magistrate that travels around sorting out peoples disputes? We had a TV program or 2 here in the UK which showed this service at work, it seemed fair, I was impressed.

I hope corruption and simple minded greedy people fail in their 'take all agenda'. May the Chinese Dragon rise up and stop corruption in it's tracks.

Do not fear or be sad -for your gardens will go where you go, the illusion of Heavenly garden will leave when your community leaves. The usurpers will inherit nothing but the weeds of envy and greed. Peace to you all.

I believe communities like yours are the way forward.

Milneman
30th November 2013, 22:01
You need to be careful, there are obviously forces at work here that don't want your community to flourish. As a foreigner in China, I'm VERY well treated; in nearly 6 years, I have NEVER witnessed anything untoward, and am only aware of the unpleasantness that goes on here via some friends. I don't know the fullness of your situation, and can only suggest that if your occupation of the land is 100% legal, and if your community leader hasn't done anything to antagonize a local official, then I'd like to believe the police should help you. It seems that the people attacking you are "local" people, but from the photos, they do not look like local peasant farmers to me ! If they are, they don't resemble any of the countryside dwellers I encounter in Sichuan. Is there a possibility they are government people mascarading as locals ??

I don't know. But it certainly seems as though there is much more going on here than a simple dispute with a village community. Does your community leader have any influential contacts ? Have you taken legal advice ?

Good luck, 小心啊!

Mari, what's the general feeling among the people about the situation in Tibet? Is it the same as the government policy we hear about here on this side of the Pacific? Like...do they recognize the government elected Panchen Lama, do they know about the imprisonment of the actual Panchen Lama? What about the Dalai Lama? You've got a really unique perspective on this and I would GREATLY appreciate your observations on this!!!

blufire
30th November 2013, 22:16
I was only thinking today that China's roll in the New World order, was ,after all the recent disclosures about clandestine eugenics and population control happening in the rest of the world fairly outstandingly honest - at least the Chinese authorities were up front and let the people know what the plan was - one child for every couple. I am sure if the authorities know what is happening they would assist you.

Doesn't China have a kind of magistrate that travels around sorting out peoples disputes? We had a TV program or 2 here in the UK which showed this service at work, it seemed fair, I was impressed.

I hope corruption and simple minded greedy people fail in their 'take all agenda'. May the Chinese Dragon rise up and stop corruption in it's tracks.

Do not fear or be sad -for your gardens will go where you go, the illusion of Heavenly garden will leave when your community leaves. The usurpers will inherit nothing but the weeds of envy and greed. Peace to you all.

I believe communities like yours are the way forward.


I do not agree sheme that this community is an example of the way forward.

I have way too many red flags and unanswered questions about this community and its founders and supporters.

I will have to say the pictures of the upset children made me very angry. These children are obviously being used to promote an emotional reaction. They were lined up and pictures taken while they were scared and upset. These children should have been nowhere near this type of highly charged dangerous adult situation. Period.

sheme
30th November 2013, 22:33
In my reality your truth blufire is not important to me, your path may be different to mine, you stand with a different perspective and you must see what is in your personal view and what turns you on.

The service to eachother community is where the future points from my perspective, mutual support, physical help, shared child guidance and care is the way forward.

We are all responsible for the future and we must all follow our personal intuitive perception ,with encouragement from like minded souls. We are each other, children are the responsibility of us all.

These children are some of the luckiest children in the world in my opinion.

Violet
30th November 2013, 23:01
Can the story be brought to the attention of our own local newspapers?

Milneman
30th November 2013, 23:11
In my reality your truth blufire is not important to me, your path may be different to mine, you stand with a different perspective and you must see what is in your personal view and what turns you on.

The service to eachother community is where the future points from my perspective, mutual support, physical help, shared child guidance and care is the way forward.

We are all responsible for the future and we must all follow our personal intuitive perception ,with encouragement from like minded souls. We are each other, children are the responsibility of us all.

These children are some of the luckiest children in the world in my opinion.

I wonder if the people who first saw Jonestown thought that about the children in that community.... just sayin.

These kids don't have a choice. I'm sorry, I agree with Blu here. I've looked deeper into this and I just cannot rationally believe this is on the up and up. Beyond red flags. This is escalating into something very dangerous in a country that is notorious for crushing this kind of thing relentlessly.

I do not trust this situation. I have reason to believe that this group is not behaving with rational control of this situation or for that matter, ANY situation, and it is not going to end well.

Or, alternatively, the Chinese government is putting this up to see just how we'd react to a situation like this. Possible? Yes. Likely? Well....hmmm...

Which isn't to say I don't like you sheme! I do!!! I just don't agree with you on this. (in best Stewart Smalley voice) And that's......okay. ;)

sheme
30th November 2013, 23:13
China and America are facing each other off right now- about recently declared protected Chinese Airspace-America ignored the air space ban, we await the Dragons response.

We must not poke the Dragon with this little stick the consequences may be a straw too many, better to stroke the Dragon and get him to roll over for a belly tickle.

Milneman
30th November 2013, 23:20
China and America are facing each other off right now- about recently declared protected Chinese Airspace-America ignored the air space ban, we await the Dragons response.

We must not poke the Dragon with this little stick the consequences may be a straw too many, better to stroke the Dragon and get him to roll over for a belly tickle.

"As the dragon rolls over the Weeger, the Dalai Lama, the Panchen Lama, the SOVREIGN Nation of Tibet, three rocks in an ocean that may have mineral wealth associated with them, Falun Gong, independent media, gay and lesbian rights, ecological rights (smoke is progress! smoke is progress!), an actual free-market economy...the dragon rolled over how many millions to make steel? How many more during a revolution of culture because the dragon had an itch that needed to be scratched...when the dragon starts to roll over on us, do we keep tickling?

Again...I like you! Tremendously! I just...disagree!

sheme
30th November 2013, 23:35
Like I say The Dragon is the Dragon - upset the Dragon and be destroyed- at least you know where you stand! Upset America/The West- and you have a heart attack, or the building you stand in is powderized, you are forcibly feed poison your kids are sterilized, you are mind manipulated.

China is far from perfect but at least it wears it's paranoia on it's sleeve.

Respect.

Octavusprime
1st December 2013, 00:09
You say the local government and surrounding villagers are the ones who have a problem with your community. Why? You haven't said what it is they object to. Do they disagree with your philosophy? Do they have a problem with some part of your social order? Do they find your community a threat to their way of life?

Perhaps they fear what they do not understand. It may be beneficial to invite your neighbors and local government officials to your land. Show them that there is nothing to fear.

Secrecy often encourages rumors and conspiracies. By easing their suspicions you may actually gain supporters for your cause.

Just a thought.

Cheers!

Bubu
1st December 2013, 01:09
Like Blufire I kept asking where the funds came from. If the community started from scratch built by the members then I will have no trouble of reconciling things. I agree with Blufire look into this matter and you might be able to make the correct decision. If you want you can share us your finding. You see when someone is deep in a situation, with panic perhaps she tends to overlook things. So maybe people here can provide wise input. We really want to help you out of this as many here aspire a community such as yours. Your success is an inspiration to us while your failure may discourage many.

mosquito
1st December 2013, 03:09
China is far from perfect but at least it wears it's paranoia on it's sleeve.



Precisely ! Hypocrisy is far from non-existent here, but it pales into nothingness when compared to the US and the UK. I have orders of magnitude more freedom here than I would in the UK. But I'm a foreigner, I'm treated with respect, courtesy (and curiosity which can get annoying !).

Like I said before, I obviously don't know the whole situation with Jena's community, but I feel certain there is more going on here than meets the eye.

Stay safe.

Bob
1st December 2013, 04:47
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65259-A-Spiritual-Community-in-China-Seeks-Urgent-International-Help&p=755333&viewfull=1#post755333

There is a relevant earlier thread started by xidaijena (Hello to you) that appears to contain very valuable and informative dialog

ED: Another thread started by xidaijena may be helpful to review as well:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65196-Please-give-us-your-kind-advice-The-Real-Battle-Between-Civilization-and-Barbarism-in-China&p=754340&viewfull=1#post754340

sigma6
1st December 2013, 05:36
HI xidaijena (had to copy and past that! lol)

Thank you for sharing, I didn't know you lived in a commune. The pictures were very heartwarming and inspiring (the building) and seeing the tears on the young children's face was heartbreaking.

I am completely with Bill on this, there IS a weird trend. It is almost as if they have a special meter and can measure if there is too much positive energy. Small communities of people who live in harmony could and would create that kind of harmony, I know that sounds crazy, but that is what it feels like. I mean what difference does it make if your family is 4 or 5 people or 10 people? or 20 people? There is something very evil operating here.... Either that or jealous people (who work in the government, get wind and have an agenda...)

Communes make a lot of sense and should be considered the wave of the future. They make sense from an efficiency point of view and from an economic point of view. They have the potential to create prosperity and security.

Anyhow I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here, but have you contacted any kind of legal representative to look at the contract that you had? To at least start there, of course beware which type of lawyer you get, you must be very cautious and always aware that if you do not feel comfortable with a any particular one, to kindly tell them very politely that you would like to think over their advice and get back to them... NEVER let a lawyer take control of YOUR DECISION making ability, or scare you like an insurance salesman...

It would be interesting to know from a lawyer's point of view, what the legal interpretation is first. Oddly that seemed to be missing, and also I am not sure what it is like over there, but don't pay anything up front to any lawyer when you are just sharing your information and asking what they can do for YOU. Treat them like any other business man who WANTS YOUR BUSINESS... Over here lawyers make people roll over and bark like circus animals and pay them to just look at them... (why... I don't know... but I think it must be part of their training, which is keeping secrets, and enriching themselves...) None the less you at least need to know what is going on from their point of view... (not that you have to agree...)

Please keep us posted...

yuhui
1st December 2013, 07:12
China is far from perfect but at least it wears it's paranoia on it's sleeve.




I really hope it is true.
But where there is power and money, there is corruption, in china, corruption is in the systems of everything.
The country is not ruled by laws, but power. And worst things happen in darkness.
We can not hear them because of the cover ups by people who do not wish them to be heard.

Airwooz
1st December 2013, 09:15
I can tell these guy were government hired gangsters... Maybe you should set up more cameras around the area in order to collect evidences, you gonna need them one day.

xidaijena
1st December 2013, 14:17
We can do nothing. I'm sad to say that, but it's the truth.

Your government has repeatedly oppressed those it considers threats, that it considers dangerous to its continued existence. The reality is the people of your country must initiate the change from within. And this is going to be hard. But how badly do you want it?

If what I've read follows true, it's time for the Asian spring.

I really...really...hate to say this, given how desperate your situation is. Remember 1989. Remember Tibet. You are the next Tibet.

I pray the Blessed Mother will watch over and protect you.

***edit***

Just to point out a very obvious fact. If you're posting from inside The People's Republic of China, the government will be reading what you're sending, and what we're sending back in return. Just saying.

Hi dear, because of the strong faith in God (the Greatest Creator), we, chanyuan celestials of Lifechanyuan, would never feel desperate. Life on Mother Earth is just a short journey to have fun. We treat all these crazy events as interesting games to play. The physical body isn't what we truly are. Yes, we know the governments are seeing us very carefully including the centre governments. They just wait and see what we will do when facing such a calamity. I don't know what the next game for us to play is, either. But I'm very sure that we can't be the next Tibet. Our time ( the time we leave Mother Earth) has not come, we still have some missions in the coming era.

You can help us by signing the petition and if you knows media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world.

Thank you for your mental support, that's enough for us. Hugs to you.

jackovesk
1st December 2013, 15:22
You know what's funny?

The 'Chinese' people are far more 'Awake' than that of their supposed foes the 'Americans'...

Everyone's calling out for (Яevolution) in America...

My bet is on the Chinese people will beat them to it by a long shot....:yes4:

Due mostly to the Chinese who educate themselves in Western Countries, going back to their motherland and realizing just how badly suppressed they have been under an 'Elite - Corrupt Communist' rule...!

Of course not to forget those 'Elite Rules' apply to us Westerner's as well, but to a lesser degree...:noidea:

Magnus
1st December 2013, 17:37
It's great that we have emoticons to express our feelings, otherwise the language would easily get nasty :mad2: X100

Good luck to your community, my heart is with you!

toad
1st December 2013, 19:49
Similar to what is happening with Falun Gong what a bummer

Milneman
1st December 2013, 23:58
Hi dear, because of the strong faith in God (the Greatest Creator), we, chanyuan celestials of Lifechanyuan, would never feel desperate. Life on Mother Earth is just a short journey to have fun. We treat all these crazy events as interesting games to play. The physical body isn't what we truly are. Yes, we know the governments are seeing us very carefully including the centre governments. They just wait and see what we will do when facing such a calamity. I don't know what the next game for us to play is, either. But I'm very sure that we can't be the next Tibet. Our time ( the time we leave Mother Earth) has not come, we still have some missions in the coming era.

You can help us by signing the petition and if you knows media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world.

Thank you for your metal support, that's enough for us. Hugs to you.

Question, love.

Did the petitions help the Dalai Lama, or the people of Tibet?

I'm feeling I could get a lot of flack for what I'm about to say, but it needs to be said.

I don't think you're with the Chinese Government. To quote Tolkien (Samwise you're going to love me for this lol) "I would think the enemy would look fairer and feel fouler."

You began this group in a country that, as has been pointed out in this thread, wears it's intentions on its sleeve. In other words, you knew the risks that were involved before you started doing what you are doing. And that takes courage, and for that I will say well done.

However. There are children involved in what you are doing. Being responsible adults, all things being equal, means that the welfare of these kids has to come first regardless of the political/social/religious/spiritual goals of this group!

If you're going to continue to do what you're doing, in my opinion you have an ethical and moral responsibility to make sure these children are safe first and foremost.

And above all else, you need to really, really, really, really, really understand this!!! Nothing we do outside of China is going to help! Your government will NOT respond to petitions from outside sources! It will not work. No amount of wishing and hoping is going to make it work. It is practically impossible! I'm not being pessimistic here! This is the way it is. This is the way it really is. No philosophical mind bending, no political wishing this is going to get better.

I know you group believes that people who don't believe what you're doing will just discourage it from happening. You need to stop thinking about what you think is going to happen and start looking at what is REALLY going to happen.

*flame retardant pants on*

You made your bed, now you have to lay in it.

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 02:25
If I were you, I will stay low profile, do your job, but be a street smart, try getting along well with different parties(including local officials), and let time and chaos passes.

After the storm is over, you and your villagers will thrive!

Hi dear wisky, yes, you are so right. It's also the worry of local and centre govenments.

But from the speeches of Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping on 18th CPC National Congress, we are inspired by his words such as “the people’s yearning for a better life is our goal”, “respect the people’s pioneering spirit”, “the general public cannot be bullied”, “we need to firmly rely on the people”, “people-oriented”, “everything is for the people”, and so on.The decision made on the Third Plenary Session are also inspiring. We seem to see the prospects of the “beautiful China” and our community. Now all these things happened in our community are all controlled by the local govenments.

Today One of our brothers once lived in the 3rd branch of our community, he wrote an article that those villagers who came to our home to ask us to move out from the 3rd branch every day feared our reprisals and told us plainly that they were hired by some people to do all these things. Those people paid them more than 100 RMB per day, these villagers were very poor and just needed those money to make a good living. These villagers hoped us not to hate them. It's the local govenments' decision to dimiss our community without any legal documents.

We want to stay low profile, but they want us to die! As I said before, there're 150 people living here, and most of them had sold out their properties in the outside world, they won't and can't go back to the outside world again. Many of them live in our community with their whole famiy. What we say and do are within the scope of Chinese constitution and laws, we never violate Chinese laws or commit crimes. We never do harm to nature and other people. We never oppose to Chinese government. We are neither a religious nor a political organization. So we need Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping and centre govenments to give us a feedback about this crazy event and our community.

If he says that we shall dismiss our community, that's no problem, we will do it without any complaints. But now he still doesn't know this matter and the local govenments want to take over our community and dismiss all of us with illegal and crazy methods.There's no way for them to do so! We will protect our community with our lives and fihgt with them by civilized ways.

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 02:46
You need to be careful, there are obviously forces at work here that don't want your community to flourish. As a foreigner in China, I'm VERY well treated; in nearly 6 years, I have NEVER witnessed anything untoward, and am only aware of the unpleasantness that goes on here via some friends. I don't know the fullness of your situation, and can only suggest that if your occupation of the land is 100% legal, and if your community leader hasn't done anything to antagonize a local official, then I'd like to believe the police should help you. It seems that the people attacking you are "local" people, but from the photos, they do not look like local peasant farmers to me ! If they are, they don't resemble any of the countryside dwellers I encounter in Sichuan. Is there a possibility they are government people mascarading as locals ??

I don't know. But it certainly seems as though there is much more going on here than a simple dispute with a village community. Does your community leader have any influential contacts ? Have you taken legal advice ?

Good luck, 小心啊!

Hi dear mariposafe, agree with you. Our community was created in 2009, and has been in Yunnan Province for about 4 years.The police knows us very clearly and we do have a very good relationship between them. I have lived here for 2 years, and saw many nice policemen coming and chatting with us. We also have many oversea visitors, their impression to the policemen were nice, too.

From our full story of the whole event (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6611), you can see that just from this year, something very powerful began to dismiss our community. I don't know why they want us to move out in such a time, either. Or does that mean the new era (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4194&extra=page%3D1)will come soon? BTW...I'm a believer in 2012 and the coming era (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4194&extra=page%3D1). ;)

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 02:53
My heart goes out to you xidaijena and all the people living in your community...its an extremely frustrating situation--<3 <3 <3

I can feel you in my heart, dear.

BTW...can you offer your moral help us to sign and spread our petition on Avaaz to save our community?

Chinese President Xi Jinping: Save China’s Largest Ecovillage!

http://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Chinese_President_Xi_Jinping_Save_Chinas_largest_ecovillage

The event is continuing and anytime it could be getting more serious since they already destroyed the power cable of our 4th branch. We're now using generator for publishing the news here.If any of you knows media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world , please do tell us:

Email: lifechanyuan@sina.cn ( contact: Tongxin / Conglong / Ailian)

Thank you very much! Hugs.

Anchor
2nd December 2013, 03:07
Hi dear, because of the strong faith in God (the Greatest Creator), we, chanyuan celestials of Lifechanyuan, would never feel desperate. Life on Mother Earth is just a short journey to have fun. We treat all these crazy events as interesting games to play. The physical body isn't what we truly are. Yes, we know the governments are seeing us very carefully including the centre governments. They just wait and see what we will do when facing such a calamity. I don't know what the next game for us to play is, either. But I'm very sure that we can't be the next Tibet. Our time ( the time we leave Mother Earth) has not come, we still have some missions in the coming era.

You can help us by signing the petition and if you knows media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world.

Thank you for your metal support, that's enough for us. Hugs to you.

Would you please consider asking Avalon directly for help in a more metaphysical way ?

If you do can you please confirm:

1) what it is that you actually want to happen - you envisioned outcome

2) that you have the consent to represent your group in this way and that you may permit us to act on their behalf

Avalon may be able to help you in a more effective way than signing petitions.

--

May the light you clearly already have be multiplied and spread.

Rocky_Shorz
2nd December 2013, 03:27
from most of your web pages is written...


I am from China. I go around with some important information on the coming new era - Lifechanyuan era after 2013 for those lucky ones!

Xuefeng (Deiform Buddha),the messenger of the Greatest Creator, sincerely following Revelation ,commit himself to the foundation of Lifechanyuan in the mortal world and implementation of all religions will return to the origin-the Greatest Creator, for the purpose of redeeming the living beings and "gathering ripe crops" who 100% believes in Jesus Christ and Buddha.

I'm not sure everyone understands what this mission statement means...

Xuefeng who brought Buddhism back to China over 1000 years ago, has committed himself to building these types of communities?

mentioning Revelation and gathering ripe crops of Buddhist and Christians...

how does the purple robe "Grand Master of the True Enlightenment" relate to Revelation and end times?

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 04:14
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My sincere thanks indeed for sharing this important story -- from the other side of the world from many of us! I'm very glad you are here with us on Avalon. The perspective you can provide can help us all a very great deal.

There's some evidence to suggest that communities like yours are regarded as potential threats by authorities in almost every country. Avalon member giovonni (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?45-giovonni), who lives with James Gilliand on his ranch community ECETI (http://www.eceti.org), in Washington State in the Northwest USA, will be happy to tell the story about how James's community was also attacked by local authorities with an apparent agenda to take him down.

Giovonni reports regularly from James' ranch, on this thread:

Up At The Ranch And Beyond (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond)

It's almost like a kind of religious persecution, that's been going on for thousands of years in every culture. If you are 'different', and are seeking to live your life according to different principles, values and beliefs, that's always a threat to the control system of the state. It's seen throughout history, and it's a kind of archetype: that's also why that very theme is at the center of the storyline of so many Hollywood movies (the most recent of those is The Hunger Games). Everyone recognizes it. It's always there.

I wish you well in everything you're doing. It feels important, and it also feels very important that you're able to thrive and succeed in your vision. We salute you and all your friends. Please let them know that there are people now in Australia, Europe, the Middle East, Africa, India, and both North and South America (and other places too!) who are all supporting you.

The above image is taken from the movie The Hunger Games (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1392170/). I can't know if you have seen this in China. The heroine, Katniss Everdeen, makes a three-fingered salute to the millions that are watching her in the televised fight-to-the-death contest -- inspiring a revolution as she does so.

Hi dear brother Bill, it's my big surprise to see your warm and encouraging words to my post and community. Thank you for creating such a nice spiritual forum here. I like it very much, though we also have an English forum, yours is far more attractive.

Thank you for your sharing, I will ask giovonni about the story, yes, I have checked his post and ECETI, I will see more later. Quite agree with you, new thoughts are always full of challenge to the old and narrow ones!

Yesterday, they damaged our waterpipe and our sisters went out to fix it today, but they destroyed it again and broke another waterpipe just after we finished and went home! How dare they are! Wow, they really want us to die now!( I will post some pics later)

Though the situation becomes worse and worse, all of us here are very well for we have strong faith in God. When hearing and seeing all your mental supports here, all that I can say is that thank and praise God. I didn't watch the movie, but I like the image very much! Thank you very much.

I hope more kind people will know the whole event happened in my community through your great forum, and I hope God will give us enough peace and courage and time to protect our community which is the beautiful wish for all human beings.

May God bless us! Hugs to all of you here!

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 04:51
Like a pack of jealous hyenas! :mad2:

I'm very sorry to hear this. Thank you for your efforts, Jena, you're stellar!

It may surprise many, but homeowners' rights seem to be quite well protected in China, judging by what happened in the case of a man who owned a building right where a highway was supposed to be constructed (http://metro.co.uk/2012/11/22/highway-built-around-house-in-china-whose-owners-refused-to-move-539906/). He had the right to keep his house or be compensated. Eventually he agreed to the latter (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/9717218/Chinese-home-surrounded-by-highway-demolished.html).

If there's vicious people from the local authorities against you, maybe then it's appropriate to let the central government know that local authorities are abusing their power, which would be something that the central government would not want. – 天高皇帝远

In a case like yours, you just gotta think strategically, because being in the right morally doesn't help you when push comes to shove. You gotta see who could have an interest in helping you or who could have an interest in pushing back those who attack you. Find out what leverage you have, who your allies could be, very pragmatically, and go for it, gently but firmly.

Good luck, always! :hug:

Hi dear christian, thank you for your kind words, oh, I see that pic, very very interesting. They surrounded by highway demolished? I don't hope to see such things happened in my beauitiful community for we are not building on highway. :p

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02415/china_2415939b.jpg

You guess sooo right, there're vicious people from the local authorities against us. This is why we try our best to spread the events on the Internet. We feel so sad of Chinese people's indifference.

So can you offer your moral help us to sign and spread the our petition on Avaaz to save our community?

Chinese President Xi Jinping: Save China’s Largest Ecovillage!

http://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Chinese_President_Xi_Jinping_Save_Chinas_largest_ecovillage

If you know media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world , please tell us:

Email: lifechanyuan@sina.cn ( contact: Tongxin / Conglong / Ailian)

Thank you very much! Hugs.

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 05:09
Hi dear, because of the strong faith in God (the Greatest Creator), we, chanyuan celestials of Lifechanyuan, would never feel desperate. Life on Mother Earth is just a short journey to have fun. We treat all these crazy events as interesting games to play. The physical body isn't what we truly are. Yes, we know the governments are seeing us very carefully including the centre governments. They just wait and see what we will do when facing such a calamity. I don't know what the next game for us to play is, either. But I'm very sure that we can't be the next Tibet. Our time ( the time we leave Mother Earth) has not come, we still have some missions in the coming era.

You can help us by signing the petition and if you knows media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world.

Thank you for your metal support, that's enough for us. Hugs to you.

Would you please consider asking Avalon directly for help in a more metaphysical way ?

If you do can you please confirm:

1) what it is that you actually want to happen - you envisioned outcome

2) that you have the consent to represent your group in this way and that you may permit us to act on their behalf

Avalon may be able to help you in a more effective way than signing petitions.

--

May the light you clearly already have be multiplied and spread.

Hi dear Anchor, thank you for your quick and great advice, yes, I do really hope Avalon can help us in a more effective way. Yes, we can confirm, can you give me some e-mails? I can ask our sisters and founder Xuefeng to contact them and confirm more detailed. Thank you sooo much. Love & Hugs to you!

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 05:59
Thank you for posting this, like Bill said your vision and situation are special, the work you do is important, thank you. I do not know the locals as you do, nor do I have the understandings that you do, regarding the local political or cultural environment, but I do have one small piece of advice, for what it's worth.

Your old countryman Master Zi or Sun Zu pointed out that if you are weak yet occupy a central position, either geographically or mentally, you should put great effort to make ally's and friends! Make ally's of your neighbor wherever you can. If one or two remain firmly against your position, with work and time, they will become the minority.

Let your enemies plot, while you focus your intentions instead on helping people OUTSIDE of your community, with the support of your wider community you undermine their strength.

Together we are stronger. Love to you, your family and your mission...x... N (holding up one hand with three finger salute)


Hi dear Nasu, thank you for your advice, but now it's not we who make ally's of our neighbor but the vicious authorities of local government. Just now(About 1:44 pm in my place) there came about 10 people to kick and break the asbestos in front of our gate very quickly, running and shouting at us. They want to scare us. How crazy they are! We just took some pics of the broken asbestos.Their ridiculous behaviors reminded me of those naughty kids in my childhood.

If you know some media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world , please do tell us, we need it urgently:

Email: lifechanyuan@sina.cn ( contact: Tongxin / Conglong / Ailian)

Thank you very much! Hugs.

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 08:30
we can spread the word , the one thing leaders fear the most , being treated like celebrity , shinning the light on them , making them famous around the world ...thus exposing their dirty deeds ... .

Your words make me smile, dear ghostrider. Thank you for your spreading, that's a great help for us now. Yes, we will shine our light very brightly to expose their dirty deeds. May more peace and courage be given from God. Hugs to you!

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 08:59
Hello Xidaijena


While i empithise with your situation whats needed right now is to effect fast counter measures to ensure your safety.

Firstly what is being done to repair and fortify your front gate ? If it can be kicked in so easily then you may risk a return attack.

Secondly how many men do you have in your community ?

As part of your community do you learn self defence ? Any sort of dicipline to encourage strength and confidence ?

What i can see is a long narrow path to your front gate ? this is good , its important to make the front door hard to get into. This will bide you time in future and also act as a deterrant.

Its no use relying on police etc .. half of these mean are possibly off duty police officers.

Either way i would put in an official complaint with photos and lodge it at your local station then lodge one with your local UN civil rights station.

Dont rely on them to help ,assume they will do nothing, in the mean time fortify your home to make it less of a target.

N

Hi dear Nanoo Nanoo, thank you for your kind advice. Yes, you're so right. We have already fortified our front gate and some brothers watch it very carefully. We have 17 brothers and 35 sisters living in my branch (the 4th branch). Well, I had learnt some defence in the outside world. But we will only use civilized ways to fight with them. If they really want to dismiss us by force, may be we will lose our physical bodies. But I believe God will protect us to continue the mission in the new era.

BTW...Can you offer your moral help us to sign and spread the our petition on Avaaz to save our community?

Chinese President Xi Jinping: Save China’s Largest Ecovillage!

http://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Chinese_President_Xi_Jinping_Save_Chinas_largest_ecovillage

The event is continuing and anytime it could be getting more serious.Today, those villagers broke our waterpipe in 3 times and won't allow us to fix again. So does the electric power. They do really want us to die now!The policemen said they can't stop those villagers for we are not a legal company.We're now using generator for publishing the news here.If you know media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world , please tell us:

Email: lifechanyuan@sina.cn ( contact: Tongxin / Conglong / Ailian)

Thank you very much! May God bless us! Hugs to you!

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 09:30
So who contributed all this money to build these communities? You and the others supplied large amounts of sweat equity . . . . who supplied the cash?

All chanyuan celestials contributed all this money to build these communities, including those who are in the outside world. No, I didn't contribute much money to my community for I'm too young and have less money by myself. The one who supplied large amounts of sweat equity and money is our founder — Xuefeng.


So Jena . . . look down the road of who has the money, where the money came from, where all that money went and exactly who is going to be out in the cold upcoming winter in 10 days . . . just you and the other community family and do you get back what you gave when you entered the community life and/or compensated for all the years of work you and the others have done?

I stiil want to say, dear blufire, you have no idea about what the importance of our community or our dream is.

xidaijena
2nd December 2013, 09:40
I was only thinking today that China's roll in the New World order, was ,after all the recent disclosures about clandestine eugenics and population control happening in the rest of the world fairly outstandingly honest - at least the Chinese authorities were up front and let the people know what the plan was - one child for every couple. I am sure if the authorities know what is happening they would assist you.

Doesn't China have a kind of magistrate that travels around sorting out peoples disputes? We had a TV program or 2 here in the UK which showed this service at work, it seemed fair, I was impressed.

I hope corruption and simple minded greedy people fail in their 'take all agenda'. May the Chinese Dragon rise up and stop corruption in it's tracks.

Do not fear or be sad -for your gardens will go where you go, the illusion of Heavenly garden will leave when your community leaves. The usurpers will inherit nothing but the weeds of envy and greed. Peace to you all.

I believe communities like yours are the way forward.

Hi dear sheme, I'm not very sure about whether the centre authorities will assist us or not for they still didn't give us any feedbacks now. I hope they will. Yes, we know many Chinese magistrates' e-mails and media contacts, we had sent e-mails, called but no feedbacks, either.

Thank you for your kind words, we still have faith in God. Yes, we also believe the future of our commmunity or communities like us are so wonderful in the coming era. Hugs to you.

Anchor
2nd December 2013, 10:23
Hi dear Anchor, thank you for your quick and great advice, yes, I do really hope Avalon can help us in a more effective way. Yes, we can confirm, can you give me some e-mails? I can ask our sisters and founder Xuefeng to contact them and confirm more detailed. Thank you sooo much. Love & Hugs to you!

You may not have not understood everything I said.

I don't speak on behalf of Avalon.

I speak on my own authority and the certainty that some agree with my words - these people will make themselves known if they have not already.

I know Avalon has been very effective in making changes in the world so I was asking you if you want a similar effort made.

I am and will be happy to be involved in an effort to help you guys with a team of the willing to co-ordinate a focused intent based on envisioning among a team in as coherent a way as possible. When I get involved in this way I require two things: To clearly understand what you want, to ensure freewill of all of your group is respected, also I will also only act in a manner that I know is safe.

I have sent you a private message that expands on this clarification and with my contact details.

There is a reason you came to Avalon, many of us here sense it. I would like to see that your efforts are met with gentle but awesome powers for safe and effective change that we all may wield.

You call yourself celestials - I think this is wonderful. Many here I would call the brothers and sisters of sorrow, wanderers through time and space who heed the call of those who sorrow and come to give aid.

I expect those brothers and sisters on this forum understand the sorrows contained in your story but we at the same time we are also observant of the tremendous light you bring forth.

We too, each in our own way are celestials and I would like to think that many of us can help you - and if I can help rally some coherent effort for you, I will do it.

I look forward to meeting you in the light.

Anchor..

blufire
2nd December 2013, 10:37
Jena, does your founder and leader, Xuefeng, live in the community? Why is he not the one going out to confront these men and helping you and the others. You have said nothing about him being directly involved. I would think as your founder and spiritual leader he would be there protecting you and especially the children since in10 days you are to be without a home.

To be living without water and electricity especially with winter upon you must be terrifying especially when you have so many older and children in your care.

Thank goodness you must have a good well for water and they haven't damaged this yet and you must have a good generator or solar system for your power. . . . After all you still can use your computer.

As China's best example as an Eco village I'm surprised that these adversary's cutting your power and damaging your water lines is even an issue. I have built 2 completely self sustaining Eco balanced farms and the first things I concentrate on is my own water and power ability. After all this is what being 'eco' means.

And by the way. . . . I think I have a pretty good idea exactly what your community is about.

Violet
2nd December 2013, 10:45
I'm a bit worried about my previous suggestion being (ab)used to play out the communist-versus-the-rest-of-the-world-card and that's probably not the message your community wants to get across. That's the risk though when asking help from the big ones, abuse.

I was also thinking of the following: why don't you invite other communities or people from outside China, maybe even from Avalon to come and visit you in great numbers on a returning basis. Tell them to bring obvious cameras and when the people that are monitoring you will notice this international attention you're getting, they might be a bit more hesitant to attack you so suddenly again in the future.

blufire
2nd December 2013, 11:40
Hey Jena! Since your community is known as one of China's biggest and best example as an ecovillage you and the others must be busy working your greenhouses and/or insulated growing tunnels. I couldn't find anything like this on your websites or forum.

Feeding your community sustainably and year round must be a priority. I would love for you to share or direct us to the area on your websites how you are accomplishing this.

I would like to learn from your example as China's Ecovillage.

blufire
2nd December 2013, 12:16
I am well aware that I am making people upset and angry by challenging ‘Jena’

But ‘she’ is now soliciting emails and contact from people and not only does this include members on Avalon but the thousands of guests that come to this forum.

I feel there are way too many questions and red flags surrounding this ‘community’.

I am just asking that if anyone chooses to contact these people via private emails that you be extremely careful. Do not send money. Do not get involved until you are 100% positive you know exactly with who you are in contact.

I personally do not believe for an instant that ‘xidiajena’ or ‘jena’ is this sweet young woman in the avatar.

Go on all the websites and forum connected with this organization . . . dig deeper people.

Come on Avalon . . . you guys are way more savvy than this . . . .

Anchor
2nd December 2013, 13:08
Come on Avalon . . . you guys are way more savvy than this . . . .

If the lifechanyuan can't dodge a few obviously loaded questions such as the ones you are asking then they wont be able to hold the commune together.

Instead of dancing around your point and being condescending with it, perhaps you could just come right to that point and actually spell out your concerns.

Or do you think you are the only one that can see the potentials at play here and feel we all need to be lead slowly to realization?

Anchor..

jackovesk
2nd December 2013, 13:31
Hi dear Nanoo Nanoo, thank you for your kind advice. Yes, you're so right. We have already fortified our front gate and some brothers watch it very carefully. We have 17 brothers and 35 sisters living in my branch (the 4th branch). Well, I had learnt some defence in the outside world. But we will only use civilized ways to fight with them. If they really want to dismiss us by force, may be we will lose our physical bodies. But I believe God will protect us to continue the mission in the new era.

BTW...Can you offer your moral help us to sign and spread the our petition on Avaaz to save our community?

Chinese President Xi Jinping: Save China’s Largest Ecovillage!

http://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Chinese_President_Xi_Jinping_Save_Chinas_largest_ecovillage

The event is continuing and anytime it could be getting more serious.Today, those villagers broke our waterpipe in 3 times and won't allow us to fix again. So does the electric power. They do really want us to die now!The policemen said they can't stop those villagers for we are not a legal company.We're now using generator for publishing the news here.If you know media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world , please tell us:

Email: lifechanyuan@sina.cn ( contact: Tongxin / Conglong / Ailian)

Thank you very much! May God bless us! Hugs to you!



Thank you for posting this, like Bill said your vision and situation are special, the work you do is important, thank you. I do not know the locals as you do, nor do I have the understandings that you do, regarding the local political or cultural environment, but I do have one small piece of advice, for what it's worth.

Your old countryman Master Zi or Sun Zu pointed out that if you are weak yet occupy a central position, either geographically or mentally, you should put great effort to make ally's and friends! Make ally's of your neighbor wherever you can. If one or two remain firmly against your position, with work and time, they will become the minority.

Let your enemies plot, while you focus your intentions instead on helping people OUTSIDE of your community, with the support of your wider community you undermine their strength.

Together we are stronger. Love to you, your family and your mission...x... N (holding up one hand with three finger salute)


Hi dear Nasu, thank you for your advice, but now it's not we who make ally's of our neighbor but the vicious authorities of local government.
hey want to scare us. How crazy they are! We just took some pics of the broken asbestos.Their ridiculous behaviors reminded me of those naughty kids in my childhood.

If you know some media people who can report the event happening in our community, such as oversea medias, newspapers, websites or any medias that can spread such an event to the world , please do tell us, we need it urgently:

Email: lifechanyuan@sina.cn ( contact: Tongxin / Conglong / Ailian)

Thank you very much! Hugs.

G'Day xidaijena...:)

2 things that concern me greatly....

1. Asbestos is (DANGEROUS) & (LETHAL) if you inhail the broken particles. Best to (KEEP AWAY) from it especially when its broken...:yes4:

2. Avaaz is definitely (NOT) to be trusted, it is a SPY :spy: Organisation...:yes4:

wisky
2nd December 2013, 13:32
But from the speeches of Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping on 18th CPC National Congress, we are inspired by his words such as “the people’s yearning for a better life is our goal”, “respect the people’s pioneering spirit”, “the general public cannot be bullied”, “we need to firmly rely on the people”, “people-oriented”, “everything is for the people”, and so on. The decision made on the Third Plenary Session are also inspiring. We seem to see the prospects of the “beautiful China” and our community. Now all these things happened in our community are all controlled by the local govenments.
..........
If he says that we shall dismiss our community, that's no problem, we will do it without any complaints. But now he still doesn't know this matter and the local govenments want to take over our community and dismiss all of us with illegal and crazy methods.There's no way for them to do so! We will protect our community with our lives and fihgt with them by civilized ways.

Hello sis. I really need to say: Namaste. You are indeed a courageous spiritual warrior.

Words are merely words, no matter how beautiful they are. Discernment will be your only sword. Many of your leaders have made many encouraging and ambitious speeches through out the last few decades. Then what? More inspirational speeches come and yet social development is not being guided in that utopian direction, as promised. And truly, if you study recent history of China really well, what happened in last few decades really make people with normal mindset drop their jaws.

I will re-iterate, to achieve your mission, you need to be smarter. These powers that be, with very special mindset, are very good in playing chess and manipulation. I really wish your president is not one of the them that we here talked about a lot. But my intuition is telling me what that could be or could not be.......

"The Great Utopia
What has always made the state a hell on earth has been precisely that man has tried to make it his heaven. F. Hoelderlin"

All the best, may the force be with you, good luck!

Gardener
2nd December 2013, 14:49
I understand what blufire is saying, and I do not consider the residents in these homes as in any way responsible for a scam. When I saw the beautiful place they had made, they had turned a dismal tract of land into a most desirable place for themselves and their families. I wondered how it had been financed.

According to xidaijena all these people put their financial possesions into the project and one 'founder' put a big lump of cash. Am I correct?

Now this improvement to this tract of land has increased its value incredibly, and if someone was sharp enough to use these people to develop the land, and contribute money into it too, someone with a psychopathic pathology might see this as an opportunity to capitalise on the goodwill of a trusting people. Throw them off the land pretending to be local people and council, and take back an already developed site with great value.

I would be investigating the founder.

Sierra
2nd December 2013, 19:16
I am well aware that I am making people upset and angry by challenging ‘Jena’

I personally do not believe for an instant that ‘xidiajena’ or ‘jena’ is this sweet young woman in the avatar.

Come on Avalon . . . you guys are way more savvy than this . . . .

I find this so annoying. blufire, you have said yourself, you make no judgements whatsoever on the ethics or morality of a position (re the dreadful Monsanto).


I no longer judge or process information from a ‘good’ or ‘evil’ labeling . . .no light or dark. . . no dualism. I am sitting flat in the middle of the road. All I Know and understand now is only clear if I stay very balanced and unpolarized. Our human dualistic nature keeps us confused, unbalanced, chaotic and fearful.

Sooo ... Suddenly you have judgements to make? Criticisms to share on a commune that seems to completely negate your position on GMOs?

I think your well known Monsanto agenda is driving your position of condescension, hostility and negativity towards these farmers. (Oh and you dislike and criticize Bill's Ecuador project as well)

Since you insist on parking your discriminatory abilities at the door, thank goodness you are the boss of YOUR discernment. ONLY..

Sierra

Violet
2nd December 2013, 20:01
Come on Avalon . . . you guys are way more savvy than this . . . .

If the lifechanyuan can't dodge a few obviously loaded questions such as the ones you are asking then they wont be able to hold the commune together.

Instead of dancing around your point and being condescending with it, perhaps you could just come right to that point and actually spell out your concerns.

Or do you think you are the only one that can see the potentials at play here and feel we all need to be lead slowly to realization?

Anchor..

I think Blufire was genuinely trying to be polite. He could've also called us a bunch of dumb idiots for picking up on this story so easily, to give an example.

blufire
2nd December 2013, 20:53
I find this so annoying. blufire, you have said yourself, you make no judgements whatsoever on the ethics or morality of a position (re the dreadful Monsanto).

I would like for you to point this out to me in my posts or threads. These are your and several others projections on to me.



think your well known Monsanto agenda is driving your position of condescension, hostility and negativity towards these farmers. (Oh and you dislike and criticize Bill's Ecuador project as well)

What exactly would my “monsanto agenda’ be? Other than I have stated clearly that I do have a controversial personal opinion of where this technology may be taking global humanity and why we (at this current time) depend on it and will be and are moving away from this dependency. My position is neither negative or positive when it comes to looking logically at what may be happening around us with something as massive as biotechnology.

I have no condensation, hostility or negativity toward any farmer whether organic or conventional. I am an organic farmer and have worked closely with conventional farmers when in Kansas. I see both as people trying their best with what they currently understand and know what to do. You are the one that hates the conventional farmer . . . not me!

The only hostility or hatred I have seen over and over is yours and others on this forum toward me regarding this topic (monsanto) and solely because I don’t row the boat in the same fashion as most do on Avalon.

Bill’s Ecuador project???? What project would that be??? He has a friend (Christine Breese) that has been working building a community for the past year or so but I had no idea he had any kind of interest in it other than she is a personal friend and he was supporting her endeavors.

Did I question things on that thread about this Christine’s community? You betcha. When I see people who can pay larger sums of money get to sleep in the really nice accommodations and those who can contribute no money and only work to earn their keep get to sleep on the floor of a building you bet I speak up and cry foul!

I see these people as the same in every way and if it were my community their accommodations would be exactly the same no matter how much money they had and if the wealthier has the attitude they should be treated better because of their money then they would be seen the door straight away because I have NO time for people with that kind as attitude and expectations.

When are we going to STOP the paradigm of the haves and have nots?

Regarding this china ecovillage . . . I wish it truly were a full blown self sustaining ecologically balanced community that we could learn from, but it is very far from it as far as I can see. They do not have their own power or water source. They do not the ability to raise their own food year round . . . etc. How is this an eco/green village? Do I believe Jena and her fellow villagers have worked incredibly hard to make their community beautiful and a happy place for them to live . . .absolutely.

It is the founders and whoever put up the millions of dollars the last 3 or 4 years that question solidly. Jena and the others are about to get kicked out of this village they gave all their personal possessions for and worked tirelessly (without monetary compensation) all these years and are about to be kicked out with winter upon them. I feel they have been used as some form of slave labor!

How much do you want to bet this eviction will not include the founder or those in the upper ranks?? Only these people who have nothing and no where to go except out in the cold and what really infuriates me is there are older folks and children in this group!

This is about money and extortion I suspect. . . . Jena and the others turned this piece of ground into a beautiful garden and community and therefore worth much more than what it was a few years ago. So they get kicked out and it is sold to someone else for large sum of money and I wonder who pockets this money?

I don’t even think Jena or any of the others truly know what is happening beyond their garden walls . . . but I bet the “founder” does.

I feel these people have been abused, lied to, manipulated and victimized and NOT by the chinese government.

I just want no one else (PA members or guests) to be manipulated and victimized by what appears to happening on the other side of the world from me.


PS Sierra, I have asked you this before and I am asking again, please stop pulling sentences out of my posts and taking them out of context to try to reinforce your own personal agenda against me.

Anchor
3rd December 2013, 02:58
I think Blufire was genuinely trying to be polite. He could've also called us a bunch of dumb idiots for picking up on this story so easily, to give an example.

What leads you to the assumption about the dumb idiots part except the way the posts were worded?

Here is what is bothering me in this - and its not blufire (who I thought was a she, but that is irrelevant !). Blufire can say whatever blufire wants to but my point is that it is better done directly and without talking down to the rest of us - especially when trying to get a point across to someone who is not a native speaker.

Also, every single time, and I do mean every single time, someone comes up on this forum with what looks like a plan or in this case, an actual ongoing plan for a great service to others based community / paradise - it gets attacked, sometimes quite viciously on this forum as being in some way fraudulent and a scam - with NO evidence and a lot bias, prejudice and assumptions.

Of course its possible that this is happening but its just a guess at this point - one must consider all the angles.

So, lets just say, that the people in this community are being mislead, that is indeed a problem, but hammering on that problem right now is not the main thing.

Has anyone stopped to think that if it were possible to somehow protect the community and prevent it being reclaimed that any such planned fraud (based on increased land value) would in fact fail? The perpetrators could even be revealed - with the core group intact.

Well if you didn't consider that possibility - please do so.

Bad things happen in this world and they can often be transformed to good things given enough time and energy.

Are we here to help people who need it or are we hear to grandstand about how clever and worldly wise we are ?

Sierra
3rd December 2013, 03:07
What lead you to the assumption about the dumb idiots part except the way the posts were worded?

Every single time, and I do mean every single time, someone comes up on this forum with what looks like an plan or in this case, an actual plan for a great service to others based community / paradise - it gets attacked viciously on this forum as being in some way fraudulent and a scam - with NO evidence and a lot bias, prejudice and assumptions.

Exactly. It gets very shilly after awhile...

Shezbeth
3rd December 2013, 03:41
<sigh>

I agree with essentially everyone. I appreciate Blufire (and others) for bringing an air of cautious skepticism to this scenario, as for the overwhelming majority of 'us' it is an intellectual visualization. Because it is so, the 'truth' of the matter (whether all this is a scam or not) is indeterminable. Until verified, I will continue to assume that the information provided/presented is (more or less) true. I suggest that (barring further information) participants to the discussion join me in this as - worst case scenario - time is spent hoping for the best in one form or another.

Visualizing so, I can do little more than commit attention and energy positively toward Jena and those whom she is espoused (in a communal sense) to. I also hope that some ninjas happen by because, while they might have something snarky to say about having not anticipated these types of misfortunes, they're not likely to sit idly by.

Anchor, your post in particular alluded to the many ways above and beyond petitions and money by which Avalon might assist in the situation; Among other things, Avalon is rife with psychics, metaphysicians, et al.

I do not think that the situation at Lifechanyuan is hopeless, but I also do not think that failure is not necessarily inevitable, especially with some of the explicit/implied forces working against.

Any sneaky lawyer-types in the wings?

yuhui
3rd December 2013, 04:42
I don’t even think Jena or any of the others truly know what is happening beyond their garden walls . . . but I bet the “founder” does.

I feel these people have been abused, lied to, manipulated and victimized and NOT by the chinese government.

I just want no one else (PA members or guests) to be manipulated and victimized by what appears to happening on the other side of the world from me.





I agree.

There are a lot of people abused, lied to, manipulated and victimized by the chinese government. And there are a lot of them fighting persistently.


I searched for more infor about this org “lifechanyuan” (生命禅院) and its leader xuefeng (雪峰) in Chinese websites and social networks. However, I could not find any information about this incident at all, except on lifechanyuan’s Chinese bbs.


1.Here is a statement from their leader xuefeng (雪峰) saying that the local government’s measurements to demobilize members are illegal.
http://fachuan.net/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=31868

http://fachuan.net/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/03/085517y197bi3nrlsz1l19.jpg

(Date: 2013/11/19 )


2. Their Petition on Chinese forum
http://www.newoasislife.net/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=31790


3. Post by their leader xuefeng (雪峰) claiming his slogan is “have all the beauties in the world”
http://fachuan.net/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=26044

http://fachuan.net/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201205/23/233806uusxv0s0kxxz7x0s.jpg

I really worry about people who truly believe in some kind of mixed up beliefs in communism, buddha, jesus and even president Xi……do they have any basic critical thinking?

And I worry about these children involved most. How to save them?

mosquito
3rd December 2013, 05:35
I've been debating whether or not to say anything - but I don't think Blufire should be alone in voicing concerns, so ...

First of all, I sincerely wish Jena and this community success and continued trouble-free living, I want to make that clear.

When she first appeared on the forum, last year, I read her post and thought what a wonderful sounding community, just what I'm looking for, and not too far from where I am. So I followed the link to the LifeChanYuan website, and there was something there I really didn't like. Oh well, not to worry - each to their own, I believe in freedom for everyone to live as they please, and if the members of this community are consensually living like that - fine by me.

Fast forward to this year, and the recent events. When Blufire stated that she'd had a look at the website and had some concerns, I though I knew what was coming, only it didn't. Puzzled, I had another look, and the information which had disconcerted me last year had been removed. What information ? Without going into the details, which I can only remember from one quick look, suffice it to say it concerned sexual liberty, especially in relation to the liberty afforded the leader, Xue Feng.

Now let me reiterate - I'm all for freedom so long as it's consensual, and it's none of my concern what relationships people get involved in. But as has been pointed out, there are children involved here, and they have to come first. Also, there are a lot of people on this forum now being drawn into this story, and while my wishes for the community remain strong, I agree with Blufire, use some discernment.

If my suspicions are correct, (and they may not be), the community's previous open advertisement of its' attitudes toward fidelity attracted the notice of someone in the government, or in the wider community. This IS NOT about communism vs Buddishm or Jesus. It's about the rejection of deeply entrenched Chinese customs and beliefs and family values. I might be wrong, but I'd be grateful if Jena could enlighten us as to her community's sexual beliefs.

A lot of people here have given some very sound and sincere advice, and I thank you. But you need to be aware that a contract in China is generally not worth the paper it's written on. I can only scratch the surface of Chinese culture, there is layer upon layer that I cannot hope to fathom, but what I do know is that what counts here is relationships. Xue Feng would never have been able to build his community without clout, which means knowing someone in power. Needless to say, the wheels would have turned much more smoothly with the aid of money. If Xue Feng has since then seriously pissed someone off, all the lawyers in the world wouldn't be able to recover the situation. Again, I can only guess, but with the recent change in power, there has possibly been a local level change which has dramatically altered the community's standing with the government.

I'd be grateful if YuHui or someone could confirm what I say about the cultural issues, or correct me if I'm wrong.

Again, I sincerely wish for a peaceful and happy resolution to this.

yuhui
3rd December 2013, 06:23
I've been debating whether or not to say anything - but I don't think Blufire should be alone in voicing concerns, so ...

First of all, I sincerely wish Jena and this community success and continued trouble-free living, I want to make that clear.

When she first appeared on the forum, last year, I read her post and thought what a wonderful sounding community, just what I'm looking for, and not too far from where I am. So I followed the link to the LifeChanYuan website, and there was something there I really didn't like. Oh well, not to worry - each to their own, I believe in freedom for everyone to live as they please, and if the members of this community are consensually living like that - fine by me.

Fast forward to this year, and the recent events. When Blufire stated that she'd had a look at the website and had some concerns, I though I knew what was coming, only it didn't. Puzzled, I had another look, and the information which had disconcerted me last year had been removed. What information ? Without going into the details, which I can only remember from one quick look, suffice it to say it concerned sexual liberty, especially in relation to the liberty afforded the leader, Xue Feng.

Now let me reiterate - I'm all for freedom so long as it's consensual, and it's none of my concern what relationships people get involved in. But as has been pointed out, there are children involved here, and they have to come first. Also, there are a lot of people on this forum now being drawn into this story, and while my wishes for the community remain strong, I agree with Blufire, use some discernment.

If my suspicions are correct, (and they may not be), the community's previous open advertisement of its' attitudes toward fidelity attracted the notice of someone in the government, or in the wider community. This IS NOT about communism vs Buddishm or Jesus. It's about the rejection of deeply entrenched Chinese customs and beliefs and family values. I might be wrong, but I'd be grateful if Jena could enlighten us as to her community's sexual beliefs.

A lot of people here have given some very sound and sincere advice, and I thank you. But you need to be aware that a contract in China is generally not worth the paper it's written on. I can only scratch the surface of Chinese culture, there is layer upon layer that I cannot hope to fathom, but what I do know is that what counts here is relationships. Xue Feng would never have been able to build his community without clout, which means knowing someone in power. Needless to say, the wheels would have turned much more smoothly with the aid of money. If Xue Feng has since then seriously pissed someone off, all the lawyers in the world wouldn't be able to recover the situation. Again, I can only guess, but with the recent change in power, there has possibly been a local level change which has dramatically altered the community's standing with the government.

I'd be grateful if YuHui or someone could confirm what I say about the cultural issues, or correct me if I'm wrong.

Again, I sincerely wish for a peaceful and happy resolution to this.



I agree.


Chinese customs and beliefs and family values are deeply entrenched. And they are much more important on the surface/outside, "saving the face" is much more important than everything.

Maybe that's why on their forum, their leader claim their female and male members live in separate houses?


I think I have already mentioned before that power rules this country instead of laws.......it's a disaster

xidaijena
3rd December 2013, 08:39
I don’t even think Jena or any of the others truly know what is happening beyond their garden walls . . . but I bet the “founder” does.

I feel these people have been abused, lied to, manipulated and victimized and NOT by the chinese government.

I just want no one else (PA members or guests) to be manipulated and victimized by what appears to happening on the other side of the world from me.





I agree.

There are a lot of people abused, lied to, manipulated and victimized by the chinese government. And there are a lot of them fighting persistently.


I searched for more infor about this org “lifechanyuan” (生命禅院) and its leader xuefeng (雪峰) in Chinese websites and social networks. However, I could not find any information about this incident at all, except on lifechanyuan’s Chinese bbs.


1.Here is a statement from their leader xuefeng (雪峰) saying that the local government’s measurements to demobilize members are illegal.
http://fachuan.net/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=31868

http://fachuan.net/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/03/085517y197bi3nrlsz1l19.jpg

(Date: 2013/11/19 )


2. Their Petition on Chinese forum
http://www.newoasislife.net/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=31790


3. Post by their leader xuefeng (雪峰) claiming his slogan is “have all the beauties in the world”
http://fachuan.net/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=26044

http://fachuan.net/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201205/23/233806uusxv0s0kxxz7x0s.jpg

I really worry about people who truly believe in some kind of mixed up beliefs in communism, buddha, jesus and even president Xi……do they have any basic critical thinking?

And I worry about these children involved most. How to save them?


“have all the beauties in the world”

So you want to save us? Just because our founder said so, dear Yuhui? Yes, It was said by our Guide Xuefeng that he wanted to have all beauties in the world in the Second Home for we hope more kind and soft women will have high dignity and safety in the world through living in the Second Home. Why? Because in our community, Lady first is a must-following rule! No men can hurt any women here. About 60% living members here are female ones. We respect and love founder Xuefeng very highly because we treat him as close friend, brother, and father.

You can read this article to know more about the high state of women in our community:

The Reversal of Heaven and Earth, Respect for Women —New Value of Chanyuan

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2808&highlight=the%2Breversal

He is the spiritual guide for us. He is the messenger of God, all chanyuan celestails living here are not average people. To find Lifechanyuan and living in the Second Home is not easy as living in a big family or community. I will share more about the importantce of Lifechanyuan, and what I think of it.

You want to save these children? How? Can you give them high dignity in the world? Can you give them a warm and free home without any worries about food, clothing, shelter, transportation, birth, aging, illness, and death? Have you ever asked and known how happy these women feel in the Second Home? Or can you see what their happy smiles mean? :p

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201210/10/091049akwdfgw3dz113zgd.jpg

xidaijena
3rd December 2013, 09:05
Puzzled, I had another look, and the information which had disconcerted me last year had been removed. What information ? Without going into the details, which I can only remember from one quick look, suffice it to say it concerned sexual liberty, especially in relation to the liberty afforded the leader, Xue Feng.

Now let me reiterate - I'm all for freedom so long as it's consensual, and it's none of my concern what relationships people get involved in. But as has been pointed out, there are children involved here, and they have to come first. Also, there are a lot of people on this forum now being drawn into this story, and while my wishes for the community remain strong, I agree with Blufire, use some discernment.

If my suspicions are correct, (and they may not be), the community's previous open advertisement of its' attitudes toward fidelity attracted the notice of someone in the government, or in the wider community. This IS NOT about communism vs Buddishm or Jesus. It's about the rejection of deeply entrenched Chinese customs and beliefs and family values. I might be wrong, but I'd be grateful if Jena could enlighten us as to her community's sexual beliefs.

Hi dear mariposafe, do you mean this article:

"Freedom of Emotional Love and Sex Love—the Culture Building of the Second Home"

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2795&highlight=emotional%2BLove%2BSex%2Blove

Yes, you're right, emotional love and sex love in our community are free. It is the rejection of deeply entrenched Chinese customs and beliefs and family values. This is why we call it as:

The New Life Mode of Human Being Has Come into Being

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4000&extra=page%3D1

I like it because it's my nature to love all people not one or several people. Why we called as celestials? Do you think those celestials or angels will have marriage or family? When I know who I really am, I won't and couldn't love only one people, because we are all one. You can't accept this? Have a read about the book of Coversations with God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversations_with_God), you will understand more about Lifechanyuan & the Second Home. I have said that chanyuan celestials are not average people. This is also why we are facing such a calamity but none of living members would leave.

Violet
3rd December 2013, 09:41
[QUOTE=mariposafe;766594]
I think I have already mentioned before that power rules this country instead of laws.......it's a disaster

Just for that last sentence, I'd like to point out that we're having that problem too, increasingly, unfortunately.

mosquito
3rd December 2013, 10:05
Thank you so much for clarifying Jena. Openess like this is much better when you are dealing with foreigners like us, and now the forum members are much better able to understand your community, which is a good thing. And I largely agree with you, my only wish is that everyone who lives this way does so willingly.

Maybe my hunch was right, that the outside community feel threatened by your lifestyle, you know better than I do how your society reacts to unconventional behavour ! Don't rule out the possibility that one of your members' family might be behind the attacks.

Take care and be safe.

Anchor
3rd December 2013, 10:25
I looked at the wikipedia article xidaijena linked above for Conversations With God and was struck by this

"In Friendship with God, Walsch writes that God presents four concepts which are central to the entire dialogue: We are all one.
There's enough.
There's nothing we have to do.
Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way."


May the light of truth prevail in the hearts of all.

Personally, I hope the power and water gets fixed soon ;)

Peace&Love
3rd December 2013, 12:31
You are all beautiful people! Be strong! Nature is love. If we love nature, it will nurture us. I also have large compost, watching the steam of heat coming out of it while mother earth turns it back to fresh ground is an amazing and reviving feeling. Thank you for sharing.

Bill Ryan
3rd December 2013, 12:44
think your well known Monsanto agenda is driving your position of condescension, hostility and negativity towards these farmers. (Oh and you dislike and criticize Bill's Ecuador project as well)

Bill’s Ecuador project???? What project would that be??? He has a friend (Christine Breese) that has been working building a community for the past year or so but I had no idea he had any kind of interest in it other than she is a personal friend and he was supporting her endeavors.



Clarification: that's correct. Christine Breese's website is here.

http://umsonline.org/ecuador/UMS-Campus-Spiritual-Retreat-Center.html

Regarding the questions asked of Jena's project, about which I know very little, it strikes me that there's a certain amount of unpleasantness being shown here for reasons that are not easy to understand.

1) If an Avalon member asks for help or at least requests a chance to express themselves because something unwanted and hurtful has happened in their lives, we should offer support and understanding. These are my own strong values and I would very much like this principle to be upheld.

2) Avalon is a virtual but wholly international community. We have members from many dozens of countries in every part of the globe. There's a wonderful opportunity here for all of us, especially those of us who may not have traveled much or who speak other languages, to learn about other cultures, worldviews, and ways of living. (How many of us speak Chinese as well as xidaijena speaks English? And how many of us have ever visited China or have any real qualifications to make any informed comments about the culture there at all?)

3) It's crystal clear to me that anyone who aspires to be trying functionally and practically to create a better world, or examples of a better world, and has made significant and risk-laden personal commitments to do that, should be supported and not criticized as if they're somehow doing something out of line.

We need more people in the world like xidaijena, and we're privileged to have her in our Avalon community. Any new visitor to Avalon might be forgiven for thinking that they can see a certain degree of xenophobia and myopia on this thread.

4) To me, some of the responses to xidaijena have appeared offensive and in direct opposition to Avalon's values. Her own replies here so far to one or two fairly barbed comments and questions have done her great credit.

5) There can be all kinds of reasons for human beings doing anything at all that seems violent or freedom-restricting. Students of world history will know full well that for thousands of years there's been an ongoing battle between the vectors of personal freedom and the vectors of control and suppression. This continues today as strongly as it ever did in the days of Chairman Mao, Attila the Hun, or Herod the Great. China, despite its recent very successful conversion to a western-style economy, is not yet well-known for championing human rights.

Here's what it all boils down to, in my opinion:

If we don't do all we can to stand for and support those of us who are here this lifetime to continue that mission, Planet Earth will be lost pretty much forever and we may all just as well start to plan to reincarnate somewhere else next time round because the battle is lost. We have to get this right this time. Every action counts, even posting a response on the forum. It all adds the balance of energy, in one direction or another.

http://projectavalon.net/Earth-in_the_balance.jpg

blufire
3rd December 2013, 22:23
Regarding the questions asked of Jena's project, about which I know very little, it strikes me that there's a certain amount of unpleasantness being shown here for reasons that are not easy to understand

Bill, you have admitted you know very little of Jena’s project and so I ask you to trust some of us who have put a great deal of time in trying at least to get a basic understanding with what is happening with these gentle people.

Anchor stated above:


Also, every single time, and I do mean every single time, someone comes up on this forum with what looks like a plan or in this case, an actual ongoing plan for a great service to others based community / paradise - it gets attacked, sometimes quite viciously on this forum as being in some way fraudulent and a scam - with NO evidence and a lot bias, prejudice and assumptions.

I agree Anchor that this does happen. I also agree that more often than not I am flat in the middle of it and this is largely because this is one of the areas I am most driven. I am constantly searching for a new path or paradigm to finally get it right.

As you said Bill, we need desperately ‘this time’ to get it right! We have got to find the key to unlock this elusive door that leads to productive balanced communities. But sadly and frustratingly I have yet to find a model that is not a repeat of a handful of unsuccessful ways of forming a community.

And Jena’s is no different. It makes no difference that she is Chinese and this is happening in China. What is happening is simple human nature with added flavor of her customs and heritage.

Bill you said:


1) If an Avalon member asks for help or at least requests a chance to express themselves because something unwanted and hurtful has happened in their lives, we should offer support and understanding. These are my own strong values and I would very much like this principle to be upheld.

The following I am asking in great sincerity . . . . . Jena has come to this forum and has very openly told her story. I see in this situation (after reading a great deal on websites and forum) that great harm could and more than likely will come to these people.

So after understanding this do I SIMPLY offer support and understanding or do I state more clearly what I see is (most likely) going to happen to these people and especially the children?

Do we use what we see after looking closely and try to understand with each community that comes to Avalon so we can then understand which parts are an utter failure and which we can use to find the key to open paths to successful communities?

With all the complexities of Jena’s community and their beliefs I can still put all those aside and give you one massive failure of her community and it has nothing to do with the values or beliefs of her commune or that she is Chinese.

This is a small part of what I undestand from readin on the websites and forum and I am simplifying. Her founder or someone with the authority of the 4 branches of Lifechanyuan signed a contract to lease raw land for 19 years. When I read this part my heart just fell for her and the others and it makes me furious that no one caught the absurdity of such a contract. Whether in the US or China this is simply bad business and incredibly naïve.

So the contract is signed and the people who have given every worldly possession and quit their jobs and left their families began laboring in building the beautiful gardens and homes in the four different ‘branches’ They increased the value of this raw land greatly.

They have lived there for 3 or 4 years and now the landlord with who they have this 19 year lease contract (simplifying here) sees how much more valuable his land is.

There evidently is no sound recourse to get their money back or to be compensated for the improvements. Not to mention even if they lived there for 19 years did they really think they would get to live there forever at the same price? Any businessman after these 19 years would say okay here is the new contract for the next 19 years and it would be at an outrageous price unless there was a clause in the first to regulate subsequent contracts . . . . . but even this does not matter.

The landlord and/or the outside villagers now covet this land and the beauty and productivity and they want it back. (Remember I am setting aside all the other complexities of Jena’s commune and their beliefs) The 19 year contract is nothing and I mean nothing but a piece of paper.

Because the following is happening and this happens in every nation across the planet. The landlord and outside villagers will make it so horrible for Jena and her community to remain living there. It is no fluke that their water and power are being sabotaged so close to winter. These outsiders will continue to harass. threaten and take them to court and cost them handfuls of money until they will have no other choice other than to abandon their community and leave with nothing.

My advice to Jena is to leave now and to go back to her biological family because it will only become more dangerous for her to live there. They are too meek and peaceful to show any kind of self protection.

So what have we learned here with this community?

And I would bet my farm that the only place this thread will go from here is something along these lines . . . . . . .

There (usually) would be post after post on how horrible the landlord and outside villagers are . . . cruel, evil, low density. We will be trapped in this place forever . . . who can we ever get to a place of abundant living and peace for all when we have these evil elitist and cabal blocking every path and on and on and on and maddeningly on.

No one will ever or at least have yet to explore the fact that (as in this case) Jena and her community’s plight and eventual downfall is of their own doing. The founder or whoever signed a 19 year lease contract and proceeded to do tens of thousands of not hundreds of thousands of improvements without a thought of what would happen down the road. Remember I am saying nothing of all the other complexities of their beliefs and behavior. Very poor business decisions were obviously made in this situation.

Here’s a couple of my suggestions . . . . hire a lawyer who is tough and has no problem nailing down an iron clad contract that has only your best interests at heart and buy a fully trained guard dog that has no problem ripping a new asshole in anyone who would come on your property to destroy water and electric lines or do personal harm.

So yes I am fully aware I look at this much more logically and pragmatically, this is who I am. Others here on this thread offer emotional and sympathetic support. Others project good intentions, love and hope and I am with them fully in this type of effort.

I hope and pray I am wrong in my belief that in the next few months Jena and the others will be driven from their home and with nothing.

So my heart goes out to Jena and especially the children. But my heart also goes out to this forum and the guests who come here because I believe if WE TOO continue to hold to the same repetitive constructs and actions that we will not make it either.

mosquito
4th December 2013, 02:07
There's a wonderful opportunity here for all of us, especially those of us who may not have traveled much or who speak other languages, to learn about other cultures, worldviews, and ways of living. (How many of us speak Chinese as well as xidaijena speaks English? And how many of us have ever visited China or have any real qualifications to make any informed comments about the culture there at all?)

Indeed, and in case you haven't noticed, I've lived in China for nearly 6 years and during my time on this "wholly international" forum have attempted to paint a different picture of the country to the one brainwashed into the collective psyche of the majority. Response ?
Disdain and occasional outright hostility, which is why I no longer bother.

Am I in a position to make "informed comments" on Chinese culture ? Yes I am, I'm immersed in it and studying it. And should you care to read my post, you'll notice that I freely admit to only being able to scratch the surface, and I then ask for a Chinese member's confirmation or correction.

I agonized for days about posting what I did, and did so because I think the full facts should be out in the open, which they now are.

If Jena wishes me to delete my post, I will. But it's for her to ask me, not you or anyone else Bill.

Actually this whole story is a lesson for us all. If we wish to start "alternative" communities, we must be prepared for a backlash, not just from our governments, but from the wider community too.

mosquito
4th December 2013, 02:15
....So my heart goes out to Jena and especially the children. But my heart also goes out to this forum and the guests who come here because I believe if WE TOO continue to hold to the same repetitive constructs and actions that we will not make it either. ...

Here here to the whole post, especially this.

Blufire is one of the people on the forum who is doing what most of us aspire to. Her advice should be heeded.

I've also tried and failed many times. I too want to get it right.

Let's hope Jena's community can be saved.

gripreaper
4th December 2013, 02:35
There is very little information in regards to the actual legal structure of the property, who owns it, who has equitable rights to it, etc.

Until this information is forthcoming, we can only speculate. If it is a lease, leases can be broken, and often are. Terms of a lease are typically unilateral and in favor of the lessor, and the rights of the lessee are ambiguous and very often not spelled out.

If the lessors want to capitalize on the good graces and hard labor of the community, they surely could without much effort. Most courts would favor the lessors.

Abhaya
4th December 2013, 04:00
There are no perfect communities....... But there may be one perfect for you.

Any society that preaches this.
Ours is not a better way, ours is merely another way."

Is a winner with me personally

778 neighbour of some guy
4th December 2013, 09:34
I hate to say this but the whole village and their happy happy inhabitants looks like a model actors village, the likes of Hollywood would be jealous of, I have the odd feeling this community is solely created for reasons unbeknownst to all of us, this feels even scarier than Jonestown to me, it has a very orchestrated feeling, I cant help feeling like that, to me it just does, and 'for all the beauties in the world' , wtf does that mean, especially when this phrase goes accompanied with an image of the founder surrounded by women, is this a communist Hugh Hefner disguised as a spiritual leader, is it a sanctuary for all the unwanted women/girls in China, a clever on line vacation destination with a possible bride attached, what the hell?

For all I know its a village filled with future brides for whoever can afford it, last thing I heard the Chinese economy is not doing all that great for the average Joe or whoever there, so I cant actually blame anyone participating, I went to check out the links on those webpages, next thing you know I get bombarded with requests for applying to Chinese dating sites, seriously, an effort to create a better and greater community should be applauded, but this one makes the hair in my neck stand up. It looks like its staged for the outside world, and I have no clue why, a communist spiritual society, I cant even begin asking questions, I have to many and almost none of them are nice or pretty.

Sorry.

Here is what I really think.

piVnArp9ZE0

Anchor
4th December 2013, 14:12
Well this thread has prompted me to get something off my chest.

First to state I am going to help the community that has asked for it in a generic manner for the highest and best outcome. As you may have read earlier I wanted to do more and while I did get an answer from xidaijena, it was not clear that I had the permission to do otherwise, nor was I given a specific brief for a vision - AND THAT IS OK BY ME - this is my way and I am happy with it - freewill is sacrosanct.

I respect xidaijena and I see her light and the light of her other-selves - and my God that light is bright!

I see the seeds of true new paradigm thinking in the 'second home' and in what I have so far seen of the 800 values of the lifechanyuan. I have read some and will probably read the rest of as it is an interesting collection of ideas. I find the spirit in the initiative powerfully resonant and commanding of attention. I don't need to read the lifechanyuan forum to see what is going on with this situation - but I did anyway and its pretty interesting.

While many here have observed and documented the "old paradigm" problems the second home branch faces (and I have never said these are wrong or disagreed with them), its just I refuse to focus on a bad outcome.

My way is not of the old paradigm. I do not believe it is appropriate to solve "old paradigm" problems with "old paradigm" techniques, because the old paradigm product will be just that and it will die along with the rest of the old paradigm. As has been noted, it is likely to fail anyway.

That which will survive with us will only survive in the new paradigm and new paradigm thinking is required to solve both old paradigm and eventually new paradigm problems.

I expect that the "new paradigm" as seen from the perspective of the old stalwarts of the old paradigm is an "etoilated" realm they don't understand properly. If they did they would not look back to the old ways. To them, the unawakened, they see the new paradigm "celestials" as living in a fantasy, impractical, improper, hippy dippy, wishy washiness, naive, silly, stupid and easily misled people that have no hope against their manipulation. These old stalwarts are of a bygone age and simply do not know who they are messing with. (Or actually they do, hence all the efforts at suppression - that will ultimately fail).

If you are having a problem building a community and you are stuck in old paradigm thinking I have reached the conclusion that you simply do not have a chance anymore. Stock up on your guns and food, build your rat hole shelters. You will all die by the swords that you live by.

If you are building a "new age" community (new paradigm community, based on 4th density positive values) in an old paradigm world (3rd density duality) - you will OBVIOUSLY face immense challenges and solving them will be done by reckoning with the old paradigm forces in a way that will seem to them miraculous . This is the challenge of the dual activated starseeds and wanderers of today.

And yes it SERIOUSLY TICKS ME OFF that Avalon often appears work against people who are trying to get help with operating in a new paradigm way.

So much so I say things I later regret.

Sorry.

Those of us, and I assume xidaijena is included in that set, who have touched that 4th density positive realm sufficiently to know, absolutely for sure what we are - do not exclusively live here in this 3rd density duality realm - we know we are immortal in our home realm. There is thus no fear of death. I know I am not the only one on this forum in this group, so I say WE.

They, we, you and I are all here because it is important at this time to do be so.

I am confident that while our 3rd density human component parts (bodies) will suffer and express frustration and do all those things that we do as 3rd density creatures - the awakened ones, when they can remember to remain tuned, do not fear the old paradigm challenges IN ANY WAY and as they are more awake to their mission and purpose and nothing will stand in their way - even though it looks bad, great things will be achieved.

The challenges then whilst they are practical, serious and difficult, are all symptomatic of the extreme times we live in and the ever approaching thinning of the veils between the 3rd density duality and the 4th density positive realms expressed by this planet at this time.

Everything happens for a reason.

To a truly awakened seeker the challenges and suffering are no matter - because life is lived in the moment, in abundance and in faith.

Sadly not all seeds that fall in the fertile earth grow. Some grow and are trampled down. With enough care skill and group effort though - the gardens will finally grow. This can be the story of the celestials and the seeds they so which grown into communities of the new paradigm.

It will happen.

In conclusion:

I feel that the point of this thread was to ask for help but I wont participate in online petitions. Sorry.

I will focus for the highest and best outcome for the community - either in its current form or in the form to come - and it will come. No old paradigm powers can stop this from happening. If this all, that is what I am writing, sounds wishy washy, illogical nonsense and a waste of time - just move on (or ask me questions).

If you are scared or worried that my energy (or the energy of those that join in) will be intercepted and misappropriated against my will - fear not, it cannot happen.

Anyone who wishes to join me can do so at any time or place of their choosing for as little and as long as you like - time is irrelevant.

My humble last request is for the naysayers is please to stop focusing overly much on your expected/predicted undesirable outcomes that none of us wish to see - despite the fact that we must at some stage acknowledge intellectually that such a thing if course possible and supported by the valid thinking/analysis that has been done. Know that you have done a good job in defining the old paradigm suffering potential - but lets not make it worse.

Even if you do carry on doing that and focusing this way within your perspective of fears, doubts and other such old paradigm thinking - controlled by the prison rules you live under; I do not think you have the power to really change things that much - but it will reduce the efforts you could be expending in the new way. Those old paradigm forces have exponentially less potential to change things than the powers of next higher realm where the methods of visualization and focus operate fully.

Focus on what you want not on what you don't want - or are worried may happen; if you are worried, you lack faith and you are not living in the moment. If this sound like you and your own plans and initiatives for a new way ahead are always failing - read this post again and elevate yourselves to the new paradigm by making those choices and developing the awareness.

Call on all the help from the angelic realm (or whatever that means to you - higher help) and help will be given.

Be safe.

Love from Me to You all together with my humble blessings and gratitude for your tolerance to this longish post.

Anchor..

xidaijena
4th December 2013, 14:16
I agree.

Chinese customs and beliefs and family values are deeply entrenched. And they are much more important on the surface/outside, "saving the face" is much more important than everything.

Maybe that's why on their forum, their leader claim their female and male members live in separate houses?

I think I have already mentioned before that power rules this country instead of laws.......it's a disaster

Hi, dear yuhui, The female and male members living in separate houses are very good for individual privacy. I like and enjoy it very much.There' no direct connection with "saving the face". It's also a good protection of female ones living here. Make female members feel safe and free.:p

Bill Ryan
4th December 2013, 15:21
I find this so annoying. blufire, you have said yourself, you make no judgements whatsoever on the ethics or morality of a position (re the dreadful Monsanto).

I would like for you to point this out to me in my posts or threads. These are your and several others projections on to me.



[Mod hat on]

OK, how about this:




I personally do not believe for an instant that ‘xidiajena’ or ‘jena’ is this sweet young woman in the avatar.



Do you realize how disrespectful, hostile, negative, unpleasant and insulting that is? Are you even capable of putting yourself in anyone else's position? (Viz. that of a young woman who comes from a very different culture and speaks a different language, has dared to live her life very differently from most, is experiencing serious practical difficulties, and is openly asking for support and encouragement from fellow humans half way across the world?)

And instead of what she asks for, what do you give her? A great example of just how nasty and distrusting some people are: as if she's not just experienced exactly that already, as she reported.

Jena KNOWS what the human race can dish up. She doesn't need any more of that here. Avalon can do better than that.

Her situation has actually got very little to do with you. You specialize in criticizing and deconstructing everything you can -- and then, when you realize you've gone too far, covering up with nice comments that are disingenuous and wafer-thin. In my strong opinion, you should stay out of this thread: if you have nothing helpful or sincerely pleasant to say, then just be quiet.

:focus:

Abhaya
4th December 2013, 17:00
I think the fact that Jena is simply on this forum at all gives maybe the greatest credibility to her community. While there are of course fundamentalist crazy cult communities, I don't think u will find many of their members on these pages. The reason being that the open minded thinking, that permeates here at PA, simply could not mesh with the kind of unbalanced cultists thinking, which would almost always have some rigid "my way is the best and only way" dogma. In fact it has already been shown by anchor that part of her communities values are that they don't think they have the best way but simply another way. One that works for the people there. This is the kind of statement that is not likely to be in any unbalanced community.

Plus we have no proof of any mistreatment of anyone women or children. So I think all the people so readily jumping to this conclusion, Some admitting that it's only based on a gut feeling from a few pictures, are being quite rude.

Put your self in Jena's shoes and think how some of these posts most be hitting her in the midst of all the chaos. I think she needs nothing but support. Even if it is some elaborate conspiracy by the leader to attack his own village (which is very doubtful and takes some imagination to begin with) the fact is she is under attack and I think those who can help in the way anchor can should get on board. I know I will try my best. ( not that I'm qualified!)

No offense meant to anyone.

Limor Wolf
4th December 2013, 18:02
In support of what was already said by Ancor and Bill, something really strange is happening here. Some of the members responses to this request for help and sharing appear as if they sense a certain threat coming to themselves.
An in-depth search of what this threat might be has left me with no answers..
There is no relevence to what are our personal views on this way of life or another or on anyone else's choice of living. It is not ours, and we weren't requested to pack our bags and move there or voice our oppinions towards it.

So far, Xidaijena has shared her personal and communal encounters as of late which are a bit of a struggle at this time and simply did (with much grace) what most everyone else would have done in her shoes and it is to ask to spread the story far and beyond so it might help the Ecovillage community to survive.

Now, do that if you want and don't do it if you don't.

This community do not seem to represent violence, do not seem to do with anything that is against human rights as far as I can tell, and do not seem to hurt anyone or anything, moreover, they do not appear to coerce their belief on anyone else, they did not request us for money, did not mention even in one word what they themselves do right as opposed to others doing wrong, and they seem genuinly happy.

Trying to fault this group of people in such circumstances and especially with an ad hominem attack is a little untasteful (Intentionally not repeating the extremely rude accusations here) as well as overlooking what was the intent of the OP here in Avalon as it was expressed.

'Live and let live' is not only a worn proverb, if only we could respect this little part then we would already be existing in a far better world.

Where is the threat?

Why not save our energies to more worthy causes and if something appears as if it is not quite right, then here is an interesting challange for us to voice our concernes in a more respectfull and considerate way

Sometimes politness is worth a lot in our world, but love and caring for what happens to another in it's simplest and most basic meaning appears to be a far out reached goal.

It is worth working on, however. I know that I have a lot more work to do myself

will we ever get there?


Best of energies and well wishes to us all, to jena and her community ~


Limor

blufire
4th December 2013, 20:08
I find this so annoying. blufire, you have said yourself, you make no judgements whatsoever on the ethics or morality of a position (re the dreadful Monsanto).

I would like for you to point this out to me in my posts or threads. These are your and several others projections on to me.



[Mod hat on]

OK, how about this:




I personally do not believe for an instant that ‘xidiajena’ or ‘jena’ is this sweet young woman in the avatar.



Do you realize how disrespectful, hostile, negative, unpleasant and insulting that is? Are you even capable of putting yourself in anyone else's position? (Viz. that of a young woman who comes from a very different culture and speaks a different language, has dared to live her life very differently from most, is experiencing serious practical difficulties, and is openly asking for support and encouragement from fellow humans half way across the world?)

And instead of what she asks for, what do you give her? A great example of just how nasty and distrusting some people are: as if she's not just experienced exactly that already, as she reported.

Jena KNOWS what the human race can dish up. She doesn't need any more of that here. Avalon can do better than that.

Her situation has actually got very little to do with you. You specialize in criticizing and deconstructing everything you can -- and then, when you realize you've gone too far, covering up with nice comments that are disingenuous and wafer-thin. In my strong opinion, you should stay out of this thread: if you have nothing helpful or sincerely pleasant to say, then just be quiet.:focus:

Hey Bill, I was just wondering if you missed my post #76 on this thread . . . . . .


As to this part of your post:

In my strong opinion, you should stay out of this thread: if you have nothing helpful or sincerely pleasant to say, then just be quiet.

:blink:

This statement took me right back to the exchange between you and I on this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65473-Who-really-is-Barack-Obama-THIS-APPEARS-TO-BE-THE-TRUTH.&p=759189#post759189 specific posts #125, #177, #208

This is a small bit from my post #177 on that thread


So you tell me Bill and the other perceived leaders of this forum . . . . am I being disfellowshipped and/or shunned and/or told to keep my mouth shut.

So I guess I am being told to keep my mouth shut . . . . . not sure if I have ever seen this on the forum before.

:blink:



Out of respect and request, I will not post on this thread again.

To Jena . . . I sincerely hope and pray you find resolution and you are able to stay in your village. I hope and pray that you, the other villagers and especially the children are tucked under a wing of protection and peace.

Abhaya
4th December 2013, 21:08
I find this so annoying. blufire, you have said yourself, you make no judgements whatsoever on the ethics or morality of a position (re the dreadful Monsanto).

I would like for you to point this out to me in my posts or threads. These are your and several others projections on to me.



[Mod hat on]

OK, how about this:




I personally do not believe for an instant that ‘xidiajena’ or ‘jena’ is this sweet young woman in the avatar.



Do you realize how disrespectful, hostile, negative, unpleasant and insulting that is? Are you even capable of putting yourself in anyone else's position? (Viz. that of a young woman who comes from a very different culture and speaks a different language, has dared to live her life very differently from most, is experiencing serious practical difficulties, and is openly asking for support and encouragement from fellow humans half way across the world?)

And instead of what she asks for, what do you give her? A great example of just how nasty and distrusting some people are: as if she's not just experienced exactly that already, as she reported.

Jena KNOWS what the human race can dish up. She doesn't need any more of that here. Avalon can do better than that.

Her situation has actually got very little to do with you. You specialize in criticizing and deconstructing everything you can -- and then, when you realize you've gone too far, covering up with nice comments that are disingenuous and wafer-thin. In my strong opinion, you should stay out of this thread: if you have nothing helpful or sincerely pleasant to say, then just be quiet.:focus:

Hey Bill, I was just wondering if you missed my post #76 on this thread . . . . . .


As to this part of your post:

In my strong opinion, you should stay out of this thread: if you have nothing helpful or sincerely pleasant to say, then just be quiet.

:blink:

This statement took me right back to the exchange between you and I on this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65473-Who-really-is-Barack-Obama-THIS-APPEARS-TO-BE-THE-TRUTH.&p=759189#post759189 specific posts #125, #177, #208

This is a small bit from my post #177 on that thread


So you tell me Bill and the other perceived leaders of this forum . . . . am I being disfellowshipped and/or shunned and/or told to keep my mouth shut.

So I guess I am being told to keep my mouth shut . . . . . not sure if I have ever seen this on the forum before.

:blink:



Out of respect and request, I will not post on this thread again.

To Jena . . . I sincerely hope and pray you find resolution and you are able to stay in your village. I hope and pray that you, the other villagers and especially the children are tucked under a wing of protection and peace.


There are times when we are unfairly told to be quiet.

Then there are times when we have in fact gone to far and should in fact be told to shut up.

Learn from it and stop acting like a victim yourself.

When we make mistakes and admit them this is a great time to grow.

Violet
4th December 2013, 21:31
So Jena, I've been wanting to ask you about the granddaughter thing.

The only "relative" connection I knew so far was that we be the children of God. When you say granddaughter you're skipping one generation. In my perception that looks like distancing yourself from God somewhat, but I think that's probably not what you mean...

What does it mean? :p

Billy
4th December 2013, 22:21
In support of what was already said by Ancor and Bill, something really strange is happening here. Some of the members responses to this request for help and sharing appear as if they sense a certain threat coming to themselves.
An in-depth search of what this threat might be has left me with no answers..

Best of energies and well wishes to us all ~


Limor

When someone constantly emits a conflictive energy, it is a sign of great insecurity within self. Being insecure within can make you feel threatened by others. This can cause conflict within self, but being in denial it is projected outwards towards others.

An example is this thread. The people who broke into Xidaijena's community feel insecure and threatened which manifests conflict. Looking at some posts here, Some Avalon members also. Bullying tactics come into play. Respect for others goes out the window.

It is all Mirror reflections of self.

My thoughts.

Be at peace.











http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Conflictive

1. A state of open, often prolonged fighting; a battle or war.
2. A state of disharmony between incompatible or antithetical persons, ideas, or interests; a clash.
3. Psychology A psychic struggle, often unconscious, resulting from the opposition or simultaneous functioning of mutually exclusive impulses, desires, or tendencies.
4. Opposition between characters or forces in a work of drama or fiction, especially opposition that motivates or shapes the action of the plot.
intr.v. (kn-flkt) con·flict·ed, con·flict·ing, con·flicts
1. To be in or come into opposition; differ.
2. Archaic To engage in warfare.

Realeyes
4th December 2013, 22:45
I don’t have time to post much, and I don't want to derail this thread topic, yet due to what has occurred here on this thread, I wish to share something; I will be as brief as possible and hope it is useful to some. Please know I write these words with love from an outsider’s perspective of the dynamics I have been observing recently.

Firstly I would like to send my thanks to Bluefire who has mentioned her attentions will go elsewhere, yet I suspect with human nature it is likely she may return to read follow-ups, so will hopefully see this post too.

As I understand it, how we respond to the world tells us a lot about ourselves and mirrored by opportunities of 'why' we may get certain reactions occurring from others. For myself, anytime something ‘repeats’ itself, I take a step back and go within to see what it is that is hidden from my sight/understanding/knowingness about my nature. A repeat means to me that I missed the opportunity of gleaming a new understanding the first time around and the opportunity arrives in this repeat now. I have a choice, deny it/bounce it back, or embrace it to realise the truth it beholds and turning it into wisdom.

Sharing opinions and insights that encourages growth, expanded truth, inspiration or assists others to discover their own unique path is what I believe Avalon is all about – Marching towards the New Paradigm (whatever that means to each individual). We are all journeyman finding our feet where no one knows the WHOLE TRUTH – yet - that is until we 'Arrive', re-remembering we are all conscious co-creator gods.

How a post is styled and expressed in a post involves much more than the way the words are strung together and orchestrated, they reveal a conscious intent and energy that is also readable. Posts that are loaded with trip-up questions, or certain tones or connotations, or twisting and misdirecting, or pointing fingers and delivered in a adamant ‘rail-roading’ technique hammering an opinion that bleeds onto so many threads (...taking a breath.....), well such styled posts reveal a story more about the person composing them than the person or topic they were directed to. ‘Rail-roading’ (as I understand it) is an emotional dominant force (3rd Chakra) far removed from a neutral conscious awareness that is unconditionally loving, constructive in many ways to inspire greater evolutionary change and deeper discovery of Spiritual Self. Love raises the tide for all boats.

I Know that when I am in that complete neutral space in my heart centre or higher, I will share my piece as best I can that is lovingly constructed to inspire. It matters not either way if my seeds of wisdom were heard or not, or disregarded and judged – because it was ‘given unconditionally’ and coming from a ‘Timeless state of Consciousness’ – an opportunity placed out there for a point in Time. Seeds will spark and grow in their own time.

'My business' is observing my thoughts, intents and how I respond to the world. I remember a particular dark night of the Soul where I realised how we humans on an unconscious level from very young crave ‘Attention’ and can dance many faces to extract the attention from people, places, things, times and events – it is an addiction, it makes one feel alive having someone else’s energy focussed on oneself no matter if it is given in high regard or dislike. Attention is all about molecules of emotion and a substitute for one’s Spirit. And unfortunately until we truly reach that neutral state of mind and 'sustain it', it is a constant vigilance to observes one’s true intents and the type of responses we are setting up checking if they are truly unconditional or feeding an emotional habit - and correct when needed and bring it back to neutral. We are all learning as we go...

As I understand it, the moment I make a judgement, blame, point, criticise, dominate, demand, conclude, control, whinge, etc, etc I have slipped from that neutral state and now swinging the pendulum of polarity consciousness and forgotten that we are all Unique god sparks - re-discovering our unique truths and spiritual journeys of awakenings and enhancing upon them as we unfold.

I had a friend who played the tyrant one moment when the situation suited her (calling it her god power) and the next a victim if she wanted someone to do something for her (playing the helpless woman). It took me 10 years before I finally saw the manipulating game and how it worked and now that I saw it clearly it really annoyed me, I had been totally hoodwinked and now watching other people being duped by the same old moves. It is interesting watching the subtle stages of how realisations build upon themselves and how they affect the emotional body and our thoughts. Anyway, this irritation was getting the better of me.

Then I worked going inward on myself over this situation; looked closely in the mirror with the focussed intent to truly understand why I gravitated to this; what attitudes within my nature was I blind to or living in complete denial of? To cut the story short; it involved really observing myself, lots of raw truthful owning, lots of reflection and lots of my forgiveness towards others and also myself; loving myself into life, allowing others to love themselves into life 'their' way - thus all this was bringing home to self my fragmented energy turning it into wisdom and a deeper connected Love for ALL.

A year later I had the opportunity to observe my friend play out her tricks to feed the daily cravings needing attention; I had no inkling of irritation or any other type of emotion – that at first surprised me; After some time, I got it, then silently sent unconditional love to all involved in this scene understanding they were having opportunities just like I had had to learn a deeper aspect of themselves – all was meaningful. :hug:

Realeyes
4th December 2013, 22:50
Hi Jena,

I posted some time ago on another of your threads – you are already aware that you and your community are in my loving focus each day and you also have others too on PA doing the similar focuses.

We hear you sisters & brothers!

God Speed Realeyes :grouphug:

http://www.free-meditation.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/world-in-hands.jpg

mosquito
5th December 2013, 01:31
Well this thread has prompted me to get something off my chest.......

That's an incredibly profound post John, thanks.

Sierra
5th December 2013, 01:48
I don’t have time to post much, and I don't want to derail this thread topic, yet due to what has occurred here on this thread, I wish to share something; I will be as brief as possible and hope it is useful to some. Please know I write these words with love from an outsider’s perspective of the dynamics I have been observing recently.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65982-Crazy-China--Forty-People-Broke-into-the-4th-Branch-of-Our-Community-Without-Any-Lawful-Documents-&p=767528&viewfull=1#post767528

Your observations re dynamics/repeating patterns is spot on. (And I doubt anyone considers you an outsider.)

Thank you. :)

Sierra

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 05:48
Can the story be brought to the attention of our own local newspapers?

I hope so, dear Violet. They came again just now and much more rudely and viciously and crazily! I'll share the pics later.

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 06:07
Like Blufire I kept asking where the funds came from.

Hi dear Bubu, please forgive me that I didn't and couldn't reply all of your posts very quickly for the situation becomes much worse for us. All living members here are protecting ourselves and trying our best to spread the events to Chinese central governments. There came a group of people at 1:00 pm just now. They were very rude to us. I will share more pics later.

If you want to know more about the funds, you can see more from this link:

How Does Your Community Finance Yourself? -- Reply to Marion Le Failler


http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=5628&extra=page%3D1

BTW...I'm so sorry that my English is not very good. I want to reply and answer all your questions, but I have little time to think and express it very accurately and quickly. :p

Rocky_Shorz
5th December 2013, 06:16
Hi Jena, I guess my question was buried in discussions so thought I would ask again a little on your beliefs, January 25th 2013, it the 400th day after the Mayan Calendar ended and known as the Day of New Beginning.

We are a community of the gifted, and more than willing to help when we understand what we are helping.

Can you explain briefly of what you are looking forward to in 2013 and why those associated with your community are the lucky ones? thx


from most of your web pages is written...


I am from China. I go around with some important information on the coming new era - Lifechanyuan era after 2013 for those lucky ones!

Xuefeng (Deiform Buddha),the messenger of the Greatest Creator, sincerely following Revelation ,commit himself to the foundation of Lifechanyuan in the mortal world and implementation of all religions will return to the origin-the Greatest Creator, for the purpose of redeeming the living beings and "gathering ripe crops" who 100% believes in Jesus Christ and Buddha.

I'm not sure everyone understands what this mission statement means...

Xuefeng who brought Buddhism back to China over 1000 years ago, has committed himself to building these types of communities?

mentioning Revelation and gathering ripe crops of Buddhist and Christians...

how does the purple robe "Grand Master of the True Enlightenment" relate to Revelation and end times?

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 06:30
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65259-A-Spiritual-Community-in-China-Seeks-Urgent-International-Help&p=755333&viewfull=1#post755333

There is a relevant earlier thread started by xidaijena (Hello to you) that appears to contain very valuable and informative dialog

ED: Another thread started by xidaijena may be helpful to review as well:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65196-Please-give-us-your-kind-advice-The-Real-Battle-Between-Civilization-and-Barbarism-in-China&p=754340&viewfull=1#post754340

Thank you for sharing, dear Bobd. Hugs.

Rocky_Shorz
5th December 2013, 07:00
you need to understand in America we read of Cults all the time, always negatively, yes community living is a dream for many at Avalon, but you are keeping very quiet about...


The Noah's Ark for 2012 is Lifechanyuan !The founder of Lifechanyuan is Guider Xuefeng who is the messenger of the Greatest Creator(God), and the incarnation of Jesus Christ and Baddha Sakyamuni. He came here to gather the ripen crops...


Why we shall believe in Mr Xuefeng ?

Because Guide Xuefeng is the only one who can truthfully explains the origin of the universe, the mystery of LIFE, and the true meaning of life by the integration of Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, and Buddhism, Taoism, science, Mao Zedong thought ; He is the only one who can show the view of 36-dimension space,especially the real vision of the perfect Thousand-year world, the immortal Ten-thousand-year world and Buddha-the Elysium World to human beings based on the interpretation of Time, Space and direct a bright and wonderful future for human beings. He is the messenger of the Greatest Creator and an angel sent by Jesus Chirst to harvest the ripe crops at the end of the world...

now if you came to Avalon to say Jesus Christ and Buddha's incarnate needs our help saving your community...

We would have many questions like why doesn't he turn the local village's water into wine and knock them all out?

as I said you have joined a gathering of the gifted, so we understand, but also know why you are getting the negative attention, because of your exposure on the web...

what's known doesn't always have to be shared with those outside of your communities.

what you are advertising is you have a cult who's owner is God-s right hand angel and he's coming to kill his followers and take them away...

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 07:05
Anyhow I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here, but have you contacted any kind of legal representative to look at the contract that you had? To at least start there, of course beware which type of lawyer you get, you must be very cautious and always aware that if you do not feel comfortable with a any particular one, to kindly tell them very politely that you would like to think over their advice and get back to them... NEVER let a lawyer take control of YOUR DECISION making ability, or scare you like an insurance salesman...

It would be interesting to know from a lawyer's point of view, what the legal interpretation is first. Oddly that seemed to be missing, and also I am not sure what it is like over there, but don't pay anything up front to any lawyer when you are just sharing your information and asking what they can do for YOU. Treat them like any other business man who WANTS YOUR BUSINESS... Over here lawyers make people roll over and bark like circus animals and pay them to just look at them... (why... I don't know... but I think it must be part of their training, which is keeping secrets, and enriching themselves...) None the less you at least need to know what is going on from their point of view... (not that you have to agree...)

Please keep us posted...

Hi dear sigma6, they don't give us time to ask lawyers. They just want us to move out very quickly by force. Our contract is legal one, but they said it was illegal.


When the last group of brothers and sisters to leave from the 3rd branch were stopped by government representatives and asked to sign a contract termination agreement. This agreement was not drafted by us. The main content is that, “both parties have discussed and reached the agreement. The Second Home is willing to cancel the lease contract without getting any compensation.” This is ridiculous, as we are being forced to leave our home, how is possible we want to leave our home voluntarily? However, they did not allow our brothers and sisters to leave when the agreement was not signed. Our answer was, “We refuse to sign the agreement if we are not compensated ¥4,000,000 RMB for a property into which we had invested a value of double that amount. Besides, what is point in asking us to terminate a contract which you have always insisted is illegal and invalid anyway? If you want to force us to sign the agreement, do you believe that I (one community representative) will knock my head against the wall and die in front of you?”.

~ " Forty Brothers and Sisters Withdrew From the 3rd Branch Safely Today" on Nov 19, 2013

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6571&extra=page%3D1

Now we are using every minute and every second to protect our lives and our community. I'm now still using generator to publish the news here, but I don't know whether my physical body is fine or not tomorrow.

We live every day as the last day now. The local governments won't help us for they just try their best to dismiss us. The only thing we can do is to protect our lives and wait for the final decisions of Chinese central governments. May God bless us.

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 07:21
I personally do not believe for an instant that ‘xidiajena’ or ‘jena’ is this sweet young woman in the avatar.

Well, dear blufire, I do really, really, really admire your high spirit of skepticism. :p BTW... thank you for your nice words to my true avatar though you didn't believe it is me. ;)

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 07:45
This is about money and extortion I suspect. . . . Jena and the others turned this piece of ground into a beautiful garden and community and therefore worth much more than what it was a few years ago. So they get kicked out and it is sold to someone else for large sum of money and I wonder who pockets this money?

Oh, dear bluefire, tks for sharing your detailed thoughts. I still want to say, I don't like to use my mind to see people and everything but my heart. My true feelings will tell me the truth. :p

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 08:24
[QUOTE]My advice to Jena is to leave now and to go back to her biological family because it will only become more dangerous for her to live there. They are too meek and peaceful to show any kind of self protection.

I hope and pray I am wrong in my belief that in the next few months Jena and the others will be driven from their home and with nothing.

So my heart goes out to Jena and especially the children. But my heart also goes out to this forum and the guests who come here because I believe if WE TOO continue to hold to the same repetitive constructs and actions that we will not make it either.

Thank you for your kind advice and thoughtful sharings, dear blufire. I know what you worry and all your thinkings. I won't leave my community. I said to you before that to find Lifechanyuan & the Second Home was not my will but God's. It's God's love to me to live here. Lifechanyuan & the Second Home are the Ark for me. When finding Lifechanyuan & Guide Xuefeng in 2011, I knew my true life is beginning under God's great love.

You can have a read about my true story from:

My view on the prediction of 2012 & How I Found 2012 Noah's Ark

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2150&highlight=2012

Thank you for your time and attention to my community, hugs.

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 08:43
I hope and pray I am wrong in my belief that in the next few months Jena and the others will be driven from their home and with nothing.

So my heart goes out to Jena and especially the children. But my heart also goes out to this forum and the guests who come here because I believe if WE TOO continue to hold to the same repetitive constructs and actions that we will not make it either.

Oh my, is that you? Dear blufire?

I thought you were a man. :p

Your avatar is so beautiful that I can't believe it was that you are keeping saying and asking on the topic of our community's funds. How sunny your avatar's smile is! Hugs to you, dear beautiful sister though I can't agree most of your replies.;)

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 09:05
If Jena wishes me to delete my post, I will. But it's for her to ask me, not you or anyone else Bill.

Actually this whole story is a lesson for us all. If we wish to start "alternative" communities, we must be prepared for a backlash, not just from our governments, but from the wider community too.

I have no rights to delete your posts, dear mariposafe. It's your free will. :p

We know it's the high pressure of the local governments to do all these things to us, but their behaviors are very rude and illegal. I also hope they can give us time to wait for the decisions of central governments. I do really hope we can peacefully solve all these problems. May God bless us. However, tks for all your time and attention to my community. Hugs.

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 09:14
Regarding the questions asked of Jena's project, about which I know very little, it strikes me that there's a certain amount of unpleasantness being shown here for reasons that are not easy to understand.

1) If an Avalon member asks for help or at least requests a chance to express themselves because something unwanted and hurtful has happened in their lives, we should offer support and understanding. These are my own strong values and I would very much like this principle to be upheld.

2) Avalon is a virtual but wholly international community. We have members from many dozens of countries in every part of the globe. There's a wonderful opportunity here for all of us, especially those of us who may not have traveled much or who speak other languages, to learn about other cultures, worldviews, and ways of living. (How many of us speak Chinese as well as xidaijena speaks English? And how many of us have ever visited China or have any real qualifications to make any informed comments about the culture there at all?)

3) It's crystal clear to me that anyone who aspires to be trying functionally and practically to create a better world, or examples of a better world, and has made significant and risk-laden personal commitments to do that, should be supported and not criticized as if they're somehow doing something out of line.

We need more people in the world like xidaijena, and we're privileged to have her in our Avalon community. Any new visitor to Avalon might be forgiven for thinking that they can see a certain degree of xenophobia and myopia on this thread.

4) To me, some of the responses to xidaijena have appeared offensive and in direct opposition to Avalon's values. Her own replies here so far to one or two fairly barbed comments and questions have done her great credit.

5) There can be all kinds of reasons for human beings doing anything at all that seems violent or freedom-restricting. Students of world history will know full well that for thousands of years there's been an ongoing battle between the vectors of personal freedom and the vectors of control and suppression. This continues today as strongly as it ever did in the days of Chairman Mao, Attila the Hun, or Herod the Great. China, despite its recent very successful conversion to a western-style economy, is not yet well-known for championing human rights.

Here's what it all boils down to, in my opinion:

If we don't do all we can to stand for and support those of us who are here this lifetime to continue that mission, Planet Earth will be lost pretty much forever and we may all just as well start to plan to reincarnate somewhere else next time round because the battle is lost. We have to get this right this time. Every action counts, even posting a response on the forum. It all adds the balance of energy, in one direction or another.

http://projectavalon.net/Earth-in_the_balance.jpg

All that I can say is to thank you for your open mind, welcome and understanding, dear brother Bill. Hugs.:hug:

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 11:15
Well this thread has prompted me to get something off my chest.

First to state I am going to help the community that has asked for it in a generic manner for the highest and best outcome. As you may have read earlier I wanted to do more and while I did get an answer from xidaijena, it was not clear that I had the permission to do otherwise, nor was I given a specific brief for a vision - AND THAT IS OK BY ME - this is my way and I am happy with it - freewill is sacrosanct.

I respect xidaijena and I see her light and the light of her other-selves - and my God that light is bright!

I see the seeds of true new paradigm thinking in the 'second home' and in what I have so far seen of the 800 values of the lifechanyuan. I have read some and will probably read the rest of as it is an interesting collection of ideas. I find the spirit in the initiative powerfully resonant and commanding of attention. I don't need to read the lifechanyuan forum to see what is going on with this situation - but I did anyway and its pretty interesting.

While many here have observed and documented the "old paradigm" problems the second home branch faces (and I have never said these are wrong or disagreed with them), its just I refuse to focus on a bad outcome.

My way is not of the old paradigm. I do not believe it is appropriate to solve "old paradigm" problems with "old paradigm" techniques, because the old paradigm product will be just that and it will die along with the rest of the old paradigm. As has been noted, it is likely to fail anyway.

That which will survive with us will only survive in the new paradigm and new paradigm thinking is required to solve both old paradigm and eventually new paradigm problems.

I expect that the "new paradigm" as seen from the perspective of the old stalwarts of the old paradigm is an "etoilated" realm they don't understand properly. If they did they would not look back to the old ways. To them, the unawakened, they see the new paradigm "celestials" as living in a fantasy, impractical, improper, hippy dippy, wishy washiness, naive, silly, stupid and easily misled people that have no hope against their manipulation. These old stalwarts are of a bygone age and simply do not know who they are messing with. (Or actually they do, hence all the efforts at suppression - that will ultimately fail).

If you are having a problem building a community and you are stuck in old paradigm thinking I have reached the conclusion that you simply do not have a chance anymore. Stock up on your guns and food, build your rat hole shelters. You will all die by the swords that you live by.

If you are building a "new age" community (new paradigm community, based on 4th density positive values) in an old paradigm world (3rd density duality) - you will OBVIOUSLY face immense challenges and solving them will be done by reckoning with the old paradigm forces in a way that will seem to them miraculous . This is the challenge of the dual activated starseeds and wanderers of today.

And yes it SERIOUSLY TICKS ME OFF that Avalon often appears work against people who are trying to get help with operating in a new paradigm way.

So much so I say things I later regret.

Sorry.

Those of us, and I assume xidaijena is included in that set, who have touched that 4th density positive realm sufficiently to know, absolutely for sure what we are - do not exclusively live here in this 3rd density duality realm - we know we are immortal in our home realm. There is thus no fear of death. I know I am not the only one on this forum in this group, so I say WE.

They, we, you and I are all here because it is important at this time to do be so.

I am confident that while our 3rd density human component parts (bodies) will suffer and express frustration and do all those things that we do as 3rd density creatures - the awakened ones, when they can remember to remain tuned, do not fear the old paradigm challenges IN ANY WAY and as they are more awake to their mission and purpose and nothing will stand in their way - even though it looks bad, great things will be achieved.

The challenges then whilst they are practical, serious and difficult, are all symptomatic of the extreme times we live in and the ever approaching thinning of the veils between the 3rd density duality and the 4th density positive realms expressed by this planet at this time.

Everything happens for a reason.

To a truly awakened seeker the challenges and suffering are no matter - because life is lived in the moment, in abundance and in faith.

Sadly not all seeds that fall in the fertile earth grow. Some grow and are trampled down. With enough care skill and group effort though - the gardens will finally grow. This can be the story of the celestials and the seeds they so which grown into communities of the new paradigm.

It will happen.

In conclusion:

I feel that the point of this thread was to ask for help but I wont participate in online petitions. Sorry.

I will focus for the highest and best outcome for the community - either in its current form or in the form to come - and it will come. No old paradigm powers can stop this from happening. If this all, that is what I am writing, sounds wishy washy, illogical nonsense and a waste of time - just move on (or ask me questions).

If you are scared or worried that my energy (or the energy of those that join in) will be intercepted and misappropriated against my will - fear not, it cannot happen.

Anyone who wishes to join me can do so at any time or place of their choosing for as little and as long as you like - time is irrelevant.

My humble last request is for the naysayers is please to stop focusing overly much on your expected/predicted undesirable outcomes that none of us wish to see - despite the fact that we must at some stage acknowledge intellectually that such a thing if course possible and supported by the valid thinking/analysis that has been done. Know that you have done a good job in defining the old paradigm suffering potential - but lets not make it worse.

Even if you do carry on doing that and focusing this way within your perspective of fears, doubts and other such old paradigm thinking - controlled by the prison rules you live under; I do not think you have the power to really change things that much - but it will reduce the efforts you could be expending in the new way. Those old paradigm forces have exponentially less potential to change things than the powers of next higher realm where the methods of visualization and focus operate fully.

Focus on what you want not on what you don't want - or are worried may happen; if you are worried, you lack faith and you are not living in the moment. If this sound like you and your own plans and initiatives for a new way ahead are always failing - read this post again and elevate yourselves to the new paradigm by making those choices and developing the awareness.

Call on all the help from the angelic realm (or whatever that means to you - higher help) and help will be given.

Be safe.

Love from Me to You all together with my humble blessings and gratitude for your tolerance to this longish post.

Anchor..

Oh, it's really a longish post, dear Anchor. But I like it very much. Thank you for your kind advice and help, as what I said to you in the private message, I'm waiting for this one:

Planet X as MONSTER Persona Captured on Stereo Ahead

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/19204660kdnu9neug9zvit.png

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6623

Why do we have strong faith in God and our community? Because I believe the new era will come soon. You can have a check about this link to know how important Guide Xuefeng & Lifechanyuan is to me.

How To Prepare for The Coming Changes & NIBIRU (Planet X)?

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4194&extra=page%3D1

I said my vision is quite different from my other sisters and brothers living in my community. It's because God let me know a little about the true situation in the coming calamity from some of my special friends. I have faith in God and the coming era for God saved me and gave me the chance to remember who I really am in Lifechanyuan.

My vision is to hope we can peacrfull solve the problem in my community now and have enough peace & courage to get through the coming change. As chanyuan celestials of Lifechanyuan, our vision is to build 256 branches of the Second Home around the world and spread Lifechanyuan values to all those people who are alive in the coming calamity. It's why Lifechanyuan was born in China and created the special community —the Second Home.

It's my mission and my own belief.


I feel that the point of this thread was to ask for help but I wont participate in online petitions. Sorry.

It's okay, dear Anchor. I don't know whether the petition wil help us or not, either. To be honest, I feel so grateful that all of you here pay a lot attention to my commmunity and kindly shared all your thoughts on my posts. I appreciate it very much.And that's enough for me, I mean, seeing all your kind support and love to me and my community, I feel so warm in my heart. That values a lot. I see God and Jesus' love in all of you. Hugs.

Realeyes
5th December 2013, 11:15
You can have a read about my true story from:

My view on the prediction of 2012 & How I Found 2012 Noah's Ark

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2150&highlight=2012

Thank you for your time and attention to my community, hugs.

Dear Jena,

I have just finished watching the below video that you linked to your personal story – thank you. I have tears of deep love in my eyes as I watched your beautiful communities and vast acres of vegetable and fruit cropping fields all shining forth Nature’s joyful blessings upon you all. Every plant and creature shone in your created Haven thriving in the harmonious loving energy you have injected and created there.

The video is 27 minutes of pure joyful, happy, smiling and intelligent spiritually minded people and children all living as one big family supporting each other – how beautiful! I really feel this video should be watched by everyone before concluding any suspicious thoughts about your way of life – and see how you all celebrate life in every moment of your days in all that you do where your souls shine through. Every brick, patio slab, tree and plant has been lovingly created and tended. Those of us caught up in the ‘rat race’ rarely get just a glimpse of this joy and peacefulness in our waking days – your days are consciously present every moment from morning into night. Blessed are you.


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As I see it, you are all part of the New Frontier, showing examples of humanity living on this planet peacefully together united, and allowing a space for soul reflection and spiritual reconnection to Source. A lifestyle that respects and appreciates all life and expressions and how humans really can flourish when living and working together alongside with Nature; embracing Nature’s timetable oppose to man-made false time that fills up our daily precious time and minds with dross/materialism/survival and lack of Spiritual fulfillment.

Watching the video it is clear that your communities have achieved so much, created a harmonious paradise that works for you all. Well done! :clap2: This is such an achievement, and one of the most beautiful communities I have ever seen. Life is meant to be a celebration, a nurturing and soul-full evolution re-awakening and re-remembering our true essence of who we ALL truly are; even Life Source celebrates such progressive unconditionally loving expressions.

These are difficult challenging Times we are all living in – with long term global calculated fixed agendas intended to squash anything that promotes communities and true relationships that naturally promotes humanities evolutionary growth.

Unfortunately such draconian agendas are against peaceful evolving living standards and now knocking at your doorstep. I know it must be very distressing for everyone in your community, shaking the foundations of the paradise you have all so lovingly created. It isn’t fair that people are herded to live the very opposite of why their souls chose to be reincarnated – this will change in the Future, humanity will once more embrace ‘Natural Law’ of the Universes that celebrates soul-full spiritual creativity. I have great hope.

For those who are the first way-showers of this ‘change’, they have the soul strength and courage filled with great love in their hearts to persevere with the ‘great dream’ – they are the brave spiritual warriors who bring about this momentous movement of spiritual change – but it will not be easy, the path gets very rocky before it balances out into evenness for others then to walk.

I am reminded back 20 years ago when I did a lot of campaigning to save a 26 mile stretch of land that contained ancient woodlands, wildlife habitats and ancient historical sites from being bulldozed for a road. I camped at weekends in one of these ancient woodlands, connected to the Nature of this beautiful place surround by old wise trees watching their energy fields communicate to all life around them; the family of swans, water rats, foxes, rabbits, voles to the very tiny like rare snails. This woodland’s essence touched a part of my soul.

Hundreds of men eventually arrived some months later and in one day they flattened and trashed everything without an afterthought of care. They did not even take heed when the wildlife (swans) even attacked them to stop. The men were blinded in their perceptions believing man was the master of Nature.

YET the point I wish to make is when I visited the trashed landscape the next day; on the surface the land and all life had been devastated, yet the essence of Nature that dwelled there was singing joyfully still – huh? It confused many of us how Nature would sing at this heartbreaking scene we were seeing with our eyes. But it was us humans that were not ‘really seeing’ – we had to still our minds and shift into our heart becoming dimensionally minded, then we were able to ‘see’ how all the trees and wildlife were still there, it all still existed in another dimension unblemished and Mother Nature was rejoicing humming a song to us in the breeze for all the selfless loving intentions over so many months we had tried to preserve this land’s natural habitat. From Nature’s perspective humans were beginning to wake up and that small step deserved to be celebrated. It was not a failure.

All those ancient woodlands and habitats were sadly destroyed by this new road – yet government policies were changed after this because of the huge human campaign that shouted ‘there had to be a better way’. A decade later government retracted their greener policies – today others campaign for these policies to change – the march continues a generation on.... Spirit will not be broken.

Doing things a better way and walking the example is spot on for these Times we live in. There will be numerous tumbles along the way as the force against such evolving movements are strong – however, nothing is stronger than an awakened Soul connected with our SPIRIT. These are the Times were our Spirit intentions will become stronger, we are the way-showers, the foot soldiers that pave the way for a brighter future where humanity will flourish and spiritually evolve – it is humanities destiny.

No matter what is thrown at you, it is important to remember within your souls the long term focus, holding the beautiful dream – we are co-creator gods and whatever we focus on places the focus in destiny to manifest. These Times are the challenging birthing pains that lead to this new exciting horizon. Please take care of yourselves, life is precious, you are all soulfully precious – it is important that you live to tell the tale to others, sharing the beauty and wisdoms of how life can really be lived harmoniously together.

My deepest love I send to you and all your dear brothers and sisters in these challenging changing times. You are in my daily focus prayers. Bless you for even finding a way to keep us updated here on Avalon.

Godspeed :grouphug:

Realeyes :hug:

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 12:26
To Jena . . . I sincerely hope and pray you find resolution and you are able to stay in your village. I hope and pray that you, the other villagers and especially the children are tucked under a wing of protection and peace.

Thank you for your prayers, dear beautiful sister. We will surely protect our children. May peace from God be with us all the time. Hugs.

blufire
5th December 2013, 12:39
Jena please remove my picture from your above post. This is on my private profile and not for public view.

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 12:49
They came again this afternoon...


Dec 5, 2013


The Bandits Came again!(4th branch)

At around 13:15 PM, the bandits from the village came to our community again!Around 20 people stopped their van 100 meters away from our gate. Some of them came and stood viciously in front of the gate. They kicked our gate violently and shouted at us, threatening us that “10 days” deadline is very close and we must leave soon. We fought back verbally and refused to open the gate. Other four to five people stood outside on the road, throwing big stones onto our fence; those stones broke the fence and fell down into our home. Our solar water heater was damaged by the stones severely too and it does not function any more.


The incident was recorded. Please see the photos first.

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/162345d9r7aawrmpmzmvrq.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/192231a0j311qe3jer2r10.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/1930131gduzkymiyhgkeyh.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/1931025n3rzc2vz4wcin9l.jpg

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/164057jwjhlh6h8wohh1lj.jpg

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/164204g1777mj6j0nxd8jn.jpg

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/162452jli2zgqelxsd22qa.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/193622o9h1bbq1oopgyoao.jpg

He was threatening us :" 10 days is closer, you must leave quickly."

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/164450knjjowfoxl4ysopx.jpg

Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6629&page=1&extra=#pid21732

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 12:52
Jena please remove my picture from your above post. This is on my private profile and not for public view.

Sorry, dear sister, I remove it now, you are very beautiful. I'm so sorry to bother you. :p

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 13:00
Dec 5, 2013


The Bandits Came again!(4th branch):


They threw big stone from outside road,more than 1.5 kg weight

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/163459yn7q8do2zko77m45.jpg

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/163522onnt37rvv2x12rv7.jpg

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/162728o6oi77oat1n48vnu.jpg

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/162856j0p0bcb88gfbpp0f.jpg

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/163044z25t2b7gkp2ok9jo.jpg

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/163334lgscs19egjc6pczo.jpg

Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6629&page=1&extra=#pid21732

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 13:25
These are the links of two vedios about today's afternoon:


Part 1

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjQ0MjM0ODM2.html

Part 2

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNjQ0MjAxNTg0.html

Or you can watch the videos on our website:

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6629&page=1&extra=#pid21732

Here comes the 2 videos on YOUTUBE, but it's not very clear.:p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJM2QsoMpJg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByW2ED04IiQ

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 13:48
So Jena, I've been wanting to ask you about the granddaughter thing.

The only "relative" connection I knew so far was that we be the children of God. When you say granddaughter you're skipping one generation. In my perception that looks like distancing yourself from God somewhat, but I think that's probably not what you mean...

What does it mean? :p

Hi dear Violet, please have a read of Lifechanyuan values:

"5、The Relationship in Emotions

Though we were not created by the Greatest Creator directly, the source of life came from the Greatest Creator. Nothing would have existed without it.

If there was no Greatest Creator, there would be no God or Evil. If there was no God or Evil, there would be no human beings. That is to say, there would be no human beings without the Greatest Creator.

As far as “the blood relationship” is concerned, the Greatest Creator is the father of the God and Evil. The God is the father of the human beings and the Evil is the uncle, which means the Greatest Creator is the grandfather of human beings.

Jesus called the Greatest Creator as the Father because he was created by the Greatest Creator. However, if human beings also call the Greatest Creator as the Father, we would put us in the equal position as Jesus, which has violated the relational ethics. Because Jesus and other God created us as required by the Greatest Creator, the Father of human beings is the God, instead of the Greatest Creator.

From the perspective of relationships, the Greatest Creator is our grandfather while Jesus and other Gods are our fathers, and Satan and other Evils are our uncles. The celestial being is the senior life form of human beings and the Buddha is the highest life form of human beings.

The grandfather always loves the grandson. Also the father always loves his son. If we respect the grandfather and do not anger him, we will have a bright future. Even when father and uncle punish us, if we get the love and favor from our grandfather, the father or uncle would have to let us go because they respect the Greatest Creator."

~Read more: Eight Relationships Between the Greatest Creator and Humans

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=371&extra=page%3D2

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Know more about the origin of humanity:

"In about 1,600,000 years ago, in order not to let the earth become idle, the Greatest Creator designed a life structure himself, which is the draft version of current humans. He then gave the “design paper” to Jesus and let him to implement. The helpers of Jesus, celestials, started to make new lives according to this design. In order to receive the energy of the Greatest Creator sending from the universe, also to accumulate energy for creating this special new life and speed up the process, they built many laboratories in the place where now is Egypt. These “laboratories” are exactly the well-known pyramids of Egypt. Because of the lack of experience and some steps were missed, the first lives they made were monkeys, and then after were apes, of course, this wouldn’t please the Greatest Creator, so they continued testing and making. The first group of human they successfully made are the black men in Africa, and the second group are native Indians in America, the third are the white men in Europe, Egypt and North Africa. When they finished producing three groups of human, they started to evacuate, and in order to avoid Satan creating difficulties again, they destroyed everything around the Pyramids before they left, which is also why Sahara is a desert today.

But, where do most people in Middle East come from except Egyptian?

They are the descendants of Adam and Eve as what says in Bible, they were created by another god. This god knew that his “rival” started to create humans on earth. He created a secret garden of “Eden” in about 7,000 years ago at Jerusalem, and made Adam and Eve, after they were created, he destroyed the“Eden” to avoid the attention of his “rival”.

This is why Cain was afraid that “everyone that findeth me shall slay me”. Who was he afraid of? The humans created by another god.

This is why his god still protected him even Cain killed his brother. (whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold)

So today’s conflicts between Israelite and Palestinian are actually the conflicts between brothers and are family affairs.

And let’s now talk about East Asian and Southeast Asian, they were not created by any god at all, they were the embodiments of dinosaur. At about 7500 years ago, when the pair of dinosaur knew that celestials created human on the earth, they sneaked from the sea, and changed into human form, started to propagate along the Yellow River, and the descendants gradually spread all over Asia. One of the groups went upwards, crossed the Pamirs to India; they want to mingle with the descendants of Adam and Eve to avoid the punishment of the Greatest Creator again.

This is why Chinese people always say, “China is the hometown of dragon, and Chinese are the descendants of dragon.”

~from The Origin of Humanity - Celestials Creating Human

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6143&extra=page%3D1

Read more about the origin of Humanity from here:

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=199

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Not very easy to believe, but it's really so interesting. I like to read the origin of humanity very much.

xidaijena
5th December 2013, 13:55
Hi Jena,

I posted some time ago on another of your threads – you are already aware that you and your community are in my loving focus each day and you also have others too on PA doing the similar focuses.

We hear you sisters & brothers!

God Speed Realeyes :grouphug:

How beautiful you are, dear Realeyes! Hugs & Love.

Realeyes
5th December 2013, 14:03
Jena I am so sorry with what has happened today; your photos show these men being very determined.

I am very concerned for you all.

I understand you are trying to get reporters involved with your case. Is their anyone in China, perhaps a highly respected celebrity that could help assist and make it known to the public what is happening with your communities? Perhaps such publicity would at least stave off the attacks while the central government looks properly into your case.

I am sure you are all very upset and shook up right now with today's events. My heart and love go out to you all.

Please think carefully with foresight about all options and prepare for whatever may come - this also includes having a ready packed rucksack if it unfortunately means you have to leave swiftly like with what happened to the 3rd group. Hopefully you will not need it, but best to be prepared for all outcomes.

Godspeed sister

Realeyes :hug:

Agape
5th December 2013, 15:00
Dear Jena ,

thank you for this beautiful idea .. beautiful people .. place you have built . It's what I see was the 'Creators Plan' for this wild planet ( in those specific terms ) , to be transformed to a garden .
What a contrast to grey hectic stressed up life in cities, tons of dust and smog and homes like little prisons where all fear their safety, where giving and receiving becomes so difficult as ruined by the idea of money .
Truly , no one should ask to 'posses' what does not belong to them , whether it's land , natural resources , things they did not build or create with their own hands and can't ever use. Why everyone does not share with others the same way, with love ,
it's what this world is missing .


The most paradoxical question comes to my mind and one I encountered so many times when individuals or even groups decided they want to do something really good, live fine, in peace and harmony with nature ...

are you allowed ?

Knowing the Chinese government is very tough in their refusal of 'free philosophies' , free life styles, religions , movements , is your community registered with the authorities in such a manner that you would be left in peace ,
ensured protection ?
Who are the 'barbarians' attacking your gates and threatening you have to leave ?

Are they in legal authority ? Anything to do with ownership of the land ?

I understand that dealing with money sounds very unfair in your situation but is there any way to settle the situation legally ?

You're asking for international help which I pray you will receive but how can we see , from far away ..to the exact legal situation between you and the government .
Is it money that is missing or even agreement ?
Do you have a lawyer among you who would understand this part well enough to set up defence and not lose the case ?

I know exactly how you feel ...

moving to another place or running away from armed troops on the day 10 would be very traumatic for all of you ,
and if they are threatening you , they will come. And even though we can be 'celestials' in our pure hearts , we still carry on the burden of this earthly body around and till we do we have to deal with others .

I wish you are protected by saints and sages , Buddhas and Angels and all the good powerful forces in the Universe .


Please be careful. Keep safe. It'd be a tragedy to see you being detained and imprisoned by that infamous government for stepping on their achy toes.



Hugs

:angel:

Abhaya
5th December 2013, 15:11
Well I can tell these attackers are confused..... Just look at that guys blue hat! That's the worst hat I've ever seen :p

Not to make overly light. Still sending my best wishes your way

panopticon
5th December 2013, 17:46
Hello Jena,

Thank you for introducing us to your beliefs and eco-village.
I am sure that everything will work out as it is supposed to.

If you don't mind I wish to ask a few questions about Chanyuan beliefs (I am unsure if that is correct, so to be clear does Chanyuan refer to the beliefs and lifechanyuan to the living of those beliefs in the communal setting or the name the practitioners have given themselves or something else completely? Does Chanyuan translate as something like 'lovely hope' or am I off the mark there too...).



Planet X as MONSTER Persona Captured on Stereo Ahead

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/05/19204660kdnu9neug9zvit.png

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6623


In the above link to the lifechanyuan forum the Zeta's are referenced extensively.
Does your community view that they are a reliable source of information?



Why do we have strong faith in God and our community? Because I believe the new era will come soon. You can have a check about this link to know how important Guide Xuefeng & Lifechanyuan is to me.

How To Prepare for The Coming Changes & NIBIRU (Planet X)?

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4194&extra=page%3D1


Is it a general belief of the Community or of Xuefeng (as he sort of alludes to here (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3157&extra=page%3D1)) that 2013 will end in cataclysm?

Finally, if I understand it correctly, the process for enter into 'The 1000 Year World' (as outlined by Xuefeng here (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=54&extra=page%3D1)) can only be accomplished by the death of the physical body:


1) The Location, Size and process of Entering the Thousand Year World

Starting from the Earth, it takes us about 16 minutes’ time (the Negative Universe Speed, about 960 light years) to reach the Thousand Year World. Its size is about 10 times that of the Earth. At the moment when the flesh body dies and human consciousness disappears, another consciousness is born. Suddenly you will have the feeling of weightlessness, or floating. In fact, you are now in the Space Tunnel where you don't have fear. Instead, you have the pleasant, easy and wonderful feelings. You see no object, jus the beams of color lines running backward. When you are about to reach the Thousand Year World, you can dimly see there is a colorful bridge in the distance. At the moment when you see the colorful bridge, you will lose your consciousness again and fall into the “sleep”. When you regain your consciousness, you will first hear attractive celestial music. You open your eyes and find yourself lying in the arms of fairy with the kindly people cheering around you. They are celebrating your birth which means you are in the Thousand Year World.
Source (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=54&extra=page%3D1)

In other words 'The Thousand Year World' is the first heaven and a similar process is required for entry into 'The Ten Thousand Year World' or Second Heaven (here (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=55)) or 'Elysium World' (Buddha Land) with its 10 continents (here (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=56)). There is no way for a chanyuan celestial to access these regions via the Rainbow Body (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_body) (similar to the research (http://francistiso.com/Rainbow_Body.html) by Rev. Francis V. Tiso [audio lecture (http://noetic.org/library/audio-lectures/the-rainbow-body-phenomenon-with-father-francis-ti/)]) as practised by adept Dzogchen practitioners and Bonpo at a time of their choosing rather than waiting for physical death?
Is this correct?


Finally a video that I think you put up on Youtube as an introduction to Chanyuan as opposed to the eco-villages (not sure if you've posted it before):

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Again, thank you Jena for introducing us to Chanyuan and the eco-village/s.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Rocky_Shorz
5th December 2013, 21:22
many here at Avalon are chuckling out of all of our members, I am the only one you ignore...

a messenger of God would not have had an accident in 2003, his car would have hopped over the other one...

a messenger of God is kept humble, and not have millions to invest in multi million dollar developments.

I call your leader forward, to join us at Avalon and share all of his universal wisdoms, he will be dealing with those who know answers.

Bill, Anchor and many other here have said they are all for your community, but we are talking about a leader who wants to spread his vision around the world for prophet... and I mean that just how it sounds. we have the power to sweep your problems away, but I am bowing out on this one, your leader is responsible for all of your pains...

for you, I send warm healing and forgiveness, you will feel it as you read this message, I am sorry, but he isn't who he says...


you need to understand in America we read of Cults all the time, always negatively, yes community living is a dream for many at Avalon, but you are keeping very quiet about...


The Noah's Ark for 2012 is Lifechanyuan !The founder of Lifechanyuan is Guider Xuefeng who is the messenger of the Greatest Creator(God), and the incarnation of Jesus Christ and Baddha Sakyamuni. He came here to gather the ripen crops...


Why we shall believe in Mr Xuefeng ?

Because Guide Xuefeng is the only one who can truthfully explains the origin of the universe, the mystery of LIFE, and the true meaning of life by the integration of Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, and Buddhism, Taoism, science, Mao Zedong thought ; He is the only one who can show the view of 36-dimension space,especially the real vision of the perfect Thousand-year world, the immortal Ten-thousand-year world and Buddha-the Elysium World to human beings based on the interpretation of Time, Space and direct a bright and wonderful future for human beings. He is the messenger of the Greatest Creator and an angel sent by Jesus Chirst to harvest the ripe crops at the end of the world...

now if you came to Avalon to say Jesus Christ and Buddha's incarnate needs our help saving your community...

We would have many questions like why doesn't he turn the local village's water into wine and knock them all out?

as I said you have joined a gathering of the gifted, so we understand, but also know why you are getting the negative attention, because of your exposure on the web...

what's known doesn't always have to be shared with those outside of your communities.

what you are advertising is you have a cult who's owner is God-s right hand angel and he's coming to kill his followers and take them away...

Milneman
5th December 2013, 21:36
I am well aware that I am making people upset and angry by challenging ‘Jena’

But ‘she’ is now soliciting emails and contact from people and not only does this include members on Avalon but the thousands of guests that come to this forum.

I feel there are way too many questions and red flags surrounding this ‘community’.

I am just asking that if anyone chooses to contact these people via private emails that you be extremely careful. Do not send money. Do not get involved until you are 100% positive you know exactly with who you are in contact.

I personally do not believe for an instant that ‘xidiajena’ or ‘jena’ is this sweet young woman in the avatar.

Go on all the websites and forum connected with this organization . . . dig deeper people.

Come on Avalon . . . you guys are way more savvy than this . . . .

Isn't that an example of a violation of our community guidelines, blu?

4. SELF-PROMOTION

Everyone joined this forum to discuss our material, not to hear others showcase theirs. Members who insist on promoting / showcasing themselves, their own websites, philosophies, products, services or other unrelated teachings will be unsubscribed.
Links in your signature that point to any website which offers products or services for purchasing are not permitted, If you want to promote a product or service that relates to the mission of Project Avalon please ask a Moderator before you post.

Just sayin. I agree with you so far, and I'm only a few posts in past where I left off...I needed a break from this...muck. lol

Rocky_Shorz
5th December 2013, 21:55
I'm starting to wonder if she put me on ignore, can someone reply to my last message?

Milneman
5th December 2013, 22:14
Why, why do I feel I have to wade into this. I've taken a few days to process this entire thing.

Reason I think I get so uppity is because I love you guys, and I feel protective of this place and the people who've really helped me these last weeks. It's an emotional response. But it also can cloud my judgment, so I'm going to step out of that as best I can and assess the situation.

Let's say you live on a cul-de-sac, with your significant other, and your two children. One day, your children come home and tell you about a new neighbour who's moved in named Jesus. He's a carpenter by trade, goes fishing every once and a while, but seems like a really ballance, really thoughtful, really nice guy. You talk about this with your significant other: the kids seem to have really changed over the last few weeks spending time with Jesus! They're more well mannered, they offer to help out more, they treat you and each other with respect...you're thinking, this Jesus guy is really something!

And then.....

One night at dinner, the kids start telling you that Jesus says he existed before time, and has always been. They tell you Jesus says he will come back at the end of time to judge the living and the dead, among other things! Surprised you spit your peas and carrots over the table? :)

Why do we make that judgement, that gut reaction of "what the heck! that's insanity!" It's because even though most of us here at Avalon have common beliefs, we each have a very different set of world views, and ideas within those world views. So we're each looking at this situation through our own set of glasses, as it were, and some people are seeing this eco village, some people are seeing the violence that's being documented, some are seeing the flags about dollar signs, etc etc etc.

One thing that nobody seems to notice though....we're still thinking about Lifechanyuan. And that's the real point I think.

I don't wish pain, or suffering, on anyone. I don't think any of us do. We want to see a world that's better, we all want to be part of that change, and we don't want anyone pointing fingers at us saying we're part of the problem, right?

So, let's take an honest look at what this group is about. If it fits your world view, and your beliefs, support it any way you can. If it doesn't, don't. I don't need to raise it up or knock it down. I will let them speak for themselves. After all, I think they say it better than anyone here could.

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Regardless of Lifechanyuan, you guys have made a difference in my life. You really have. I'm going to modify my reactions...but I'm human, and I guarantee I'm going to mess up. Just sayin. I've been protective because like I said...I love you guys. I love this group. Jena's part of it too. Maybe, through some act of co-incidence she's reading/seeing something she needs to see.

You guys are my heros.

Milneman
5th December 2013, 22:17
Hi Skippy. I'm not ignoring you. Done. :)

skippy
5th December 2013, 22:23
Why, why do I feel I have to wade into this. I've taken a few days to process this entire thing.

Reason I think I get so uppity is because I love you guys, and I feel protective of this place and the people who've really helped me these last weeks. It's an emotional response. But it also can cloud my judgment, so I'm going to step out of that as best I can and assess the situation.

Let's say you live on a cul-de-sac, with your significant other, and your two children. One day, your children come home and tell you about a new neighbour who's moved in named Jesus. He's a carpenter by trade, goes fishing every once and a while, but seems like a really ballance, really thoughtful, really nice guy. You talk about this with your significant other: the kids seem to have really changed over the last few weeks spending time with Jesus! They're more well mannered, they offer to help out more, they treat you and each other with respect...you're thinking, this Jesus guy is really something!

And then.....

One night at dinner, the kids start telling you that Jesus says he existed before time, and has always been. They tell you Jesus says he will come back at the end of time to judge the living and the dead, among other things! Surprised you spit your peas and carrots over the table? :)

Why do we make that judgement, that gut reaction of "what the heck! that's insanity!" It's because even though most of us here at Avalon have common beliefs, we each have a very different set of world views, and ideas within those world views. So we're each looking at this situation through our own set of glasses, as it were, and some people are seeing this eco village, some people are seeing the violence that's being documented, some are seeing the flags about dollar signs, etc etc etc.

One thing that nobody seems to notice though....we're still thinking about Lifechanyuan. And that's the real point I think.

I don't wish pain, or suffering, on anyone. I don't think any of us do. We want to see a world that's better, we all want to be part of that change, and we don't want anyone pointing fingers at us saying we're part of the problem, right?

So, let's take an honest look at what this group is about. If it fits your world view, and your beliefs, support it any way you can. If it doesn't, don't. I don't need to raise it up or knock it down. I will let them speak for themselves. After all, I think they say it better than anyone here could.

LD8xDnDb1Go

Regardless of Lifechanyuan, you guys have made a difference in my life. You really have. I'm going to modify my reactions...but I'm human, and I guarantee I'm going to mess up. Just sayin. I've been protective because like I said...I love you guys. I love this group. Jena's part of it too. Maybe, through some act of co-incidence she's reading/seeing something she needs to see.

You guys are my heros.

Great post Milneman. Keep on posting and messing up. Appreciated :)

Rocky_Shorz
5th December 2013, 22:36
smiles...

I take on Hitler truths...
I take on the Vatican, the dang pope sits in my chair...
a million died after God's messages, not to prove to anyone who I am, except me...
a pain you never understand, but can only share with those who listen
an hour after looking into Pope B's atrocities and saying time for change here in this forum, he retired, an hour later the Vatican was struck by lightning confirming God is pissed. They say this is the last pope, one really isn't needed, the split between sunni and shia is done...

"the Will of God is Peace" is their first and only commandment...

it is time to unite the middle east, and as King David II through divine destiny, I call for world peace, we have grown up, wars are no longer an answer...

Bankers, too large to fail, are the world enemies

let them crash, people are the only valuables in this world

nothing else matters...

we care for you and all of your children that are part of your community, but we create changes for the better.

maybe this is meant in moving forward...

If a man of God stepped forward, and waves his hand, the ones attacking your community would suddenly feel a peace they have never experienced before, why hasn't your leader joined you?

Milneman
5th December 2013, 22:39
Maybe he's at the dinner table, cleaning up the peas and carrots everyone is spitting out. :D

Sorry...I couldn't help myself. Bad Milneman. No cookie. Go to your room.

Anchor
5th December 2013, 23:07
I'm starting to wonder if she put me on ignore, can someone reply to my last message?

Sometimes even english people can't understand you and so I don't rate the chances of a chinese with english as a second/third language :)

Rocky_Shorz
5th December 2013, 23:27
I'm starting to wonder if she put me on ignore, can someone reply to my last message?

Sometimes even english people can't understand you and so I don't rate the chances of a chinese with english as a second/third language :)

just cause yall down under don't hear my words, doesn't mean you don't feel my love...

dude, you've helped in changing the world, all I can do is smile and bow to your awesomeness... ;)

Violet
5th December 2013, 23:39
So Jena, I've been wanting to ask you about the granddaughter thing.

The only "relative" connection I knew so far was that we be the children of God. When you say granddaughter you're skipping one generation. In my perception that looks like distancing yourself from God somewhat, but I think that's probably not what you mean...

What does it mean? :p

Hi dear Violet, please have a read of Lifechanyuan values:

"5、The Relationship in Emotions

Though we were not created by the Greatest Creator directly, the source of life came from the Greatest Creator. Nothing would have existed without it.

If there was no Greatest Creator, there would be no God or Evil. If there was no God or Evil, there would be no human beings. That is to say, there would be no human beings without the Greatest Creator.

As far as “the blood relationship” is concerned, the Greatest Creator is the father of the God and Evil. The God is the father of the human beings and the Evil is the uncle, which means the Greatest Creator is the grandfather of human beings.

Jesus called the Greatest Creator as the Father because he was created by the Greatest Creator. However, if human beings also call the Greatest Creator as the Father, we would put us in the equal position as Jesus, which has violated the relational ethics. Because Jesus and other God created us as required by the Greatest Creator, the Father of human beings is the God, instead of the Greatest Creator.

From the perspective of relationships, the Greatest Creator is our grandfather while Jesus and other Gods are our fathers, and Satan and other Evils are our uncles. The celestial being is the senior life form of human beings and the Buddha is the highest life form of human beings.

The grandfather always loves the grandson. Also the father always loves his son. If we respect the grandfather and do not anger him, we will have a bright future. Even when father and uncle punish us, if we get the love and favor from our grandfather, the father or uncle would have to let us go because they respect the Greatest Creator."

~Read more: Eight Relationships Between the Greatest Creator and Humans

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=371&extra=page%3D2

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Know more about the origin of humanity:

"In about 1,600,000 years ago, in order not to let the earth become idle, the Greatest Creator designed a life structure himself, which is the draft version of current humans. He then gave the “design paper” to Jesus and let him to implement. The helpers of Jesus, celestials, started to make new lives according to this design. In order to receive the energy of the Greatest Creator sending from the universe, also to accumulate energy for creating this special new life and speed up the process, they built many laboratories in the place where now is Egypt. These “laboratories” are exactly the well-known pyramids of Egypt. Because of the lack of experience and some steps were missed, the first lives they made were monkeys, and then after were apes, of course, this wouldn’t please the Greatest Creator, so they continued testing and making. The first group of human they successfully made are the black men in Africa, and the second group are native Indians in America, the third are the white men in Europe, Egypt and North Africa. When they finished producing three groups of human, they started to evacuate, and in order to avoid Satan creating difficulties again, they destroyed everything around the Pyramids before they left, which is also why Sahara is a desert today.

But, where do most people in Middle East come from except Egyptian?

They are the descendants of Adam and Eve as what says in Bible, they were created by another god. This god knew that his “rival” started to create humans on earth. He created a secret garden of “Eden” in about 7,000 years ago at Jerusalem, and made Adam and Eve, after they were created, he destroyed the“Eden” to avoid the attention of his “rival”.

This is why Cain was afraid that “everyone that findeth me shall slay me”. Who was he afraid of? The humans created by another god.

This is why his god still protected him even Cain killed his brother. (whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold)

So today’s conflicts between Israelite and Palestinian are actually the conflicts between brothers and are family affairs.

And let’s now talk about East Asian and Southeast Asian, they were not created by any god at all, they were the embodiments of dinosaur. At about 7500 years ago, when the pair of dinosaur knew that celestials created human on the earth, they sneaked from the sea, and changed into human form, started to propagate along the Yellow River, and the descendants gradually spread all over Asia. One of the groups went upwards, crossed the Pamirs to India; they want to mingle with the descendants of Adam and Eve to avoid the punishment of the Greatest Creator again.

This is why Chinese people always say, “China is the hometown of dragon, and Chinese are the descendants of dragon.”

~from The Origin of Humanity - Celestials Creating Human

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6143&extra=page%3D1

Read more about the origin of Humanity from here:

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=199

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Not very easy to believe, but it's really so interesting. I like to read the origin of humanity very much.

Okay, Jena, thanks so much. I'll try to read the whole text soon, just a small question on first sight.

Why did the Greatest Creator (which I take to be the God in "God's granddaughter") create another God(s) and
a) have them share names. They're all Gods, just different Gods on different levels, but all Gods essentially;
b) expects to then amidst all created Gods still be the only and/or greatest God?

Isn't that needlessly complicating matters? Does it have a deeper purpose?

I'm aware that the answer may just lie in the text you've provided, if so then you don't have to copy it, but just tell me and I'll go looking for it later on but this was just a first idea that came up right now. Either how, thanks for your time and you are giving it away so freely in your difficult situation.

Has anything beneficial been reached yet by your efforts online?

Anchor
6th December 2013, 01:54
just cause yall down under don't hear my words, doesn't mean you don't feel my love...

Never questioned it for a moment.

Rocky_Shorz
6th December 2013, 02:56
Jena, offer the village a 1% land tax, they say it is worth 4M so offer 40,000 a year to the local economy in exchange for privacy and expansion permissions.

xidaijena
6th December 2013, 03:08
Hi Jena, I guess my question was buried in discussions so thought I would ask again a little on your beliefs, January 25th 2013, it the 400th day after the Mayan Calendar ended and known as the Day of New Beginning.

We are a community of the gifted, and more than willing to help when we understand what we are helping.

Can you explain briefly of what you are looking forward to in 2013 and why those associated with your community are the lucky ones? thx

Hi dear Rocky, this is what I'm waiting for all the time, and maybe so are some Chanyuan Celestials. (Not all chanyuan celestials believe and hope to see the calamity coming.)

Planet X as MONSTER Persona Captured on Stereo Ahead

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6623

Guide Xuefeng also waits for the big change. He saw some situation which once shared with us. And I was luckily told by some of my outside friends who could see some special situation the same as Guide Xuefeng shared.

How To Prepare for The Coming Changes & NIBIRU (Planet X)?

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4194&extra=page%3D1

I need to tell all of you here, all these things are my own belief, I said that I was saved by God, and God let me know a little about it, I feel so grateful about all these things. But whether it's true or false, I don't know, either. Only God knows that day. :p

panopticon
6th December 2013, 03:10
Why did the Greatest Creator (which I take to be the God in "God's granddaughter") create another God(s) and
a) have them share names. They're all Gods, just different Gods on different levels, but all Gods essentially;
b) expects to then amidst all created Gods still be the only and/or greatest God?

Isn't that needlessly complicating matters? Does it have a deeper purpose?


This follows fairly well Chinese Buddhist religious cosmology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology). In particular the inclusion of "buddha lands" (usually referred to in Chan and Daoism as "pure lands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_land)") as part of the Mahayana tradition (of which Chan Buddhism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Ch%C3%A1n) is a part) seems to be, at least in part, inspiration for the various Chanyuan texts I've read so far.

The use of the "Greatest Creator" is a twist in the traditional viewpoint, as I understand it, however this is easily understood by replacing the Judeo-Christian understanding of a personified deity with the Daoist/Chan conceptualisation of "Tao" or "Dao". It is interesting though as the notion of a first being, or personified primal essence, is not part of Chinese culture, again as I understand it, and I think this shows the influence Western dogma has on developing belief systems. Notice in the Chanyuan literature the use of Jesus, Buddha, Muhammed and a number of uniquely Judeo-Christian biblical stories (in particular the story about Noah is prominent as is a reliance on aspects from Revelations).

I hope all is well with Jena and she can get back and explain her personal understanding of these things as the practices of this group are unfamiliar to me and I may be misrepresenting certain aspects due to my knowledge of other systems.

As a Permaculture advocate I admire the work that has been done and the use of Mollison and Holmgren's systems. Good to see one of the Panya Project (http://www.panyaproject.org/) members showing plant guild development in one of the lifechanyuan village development videos as well as the Konohana Family (http://www.konohana-family.org/for-non-japanese-speakers/) eco-village project out near Mt. Fuji. There are a lot of projects like this going on around the world and while I don't understand the details of the belief system underlying this particular group I appreciate that they are part of a wider movement, occurring around the world in many developed and developing countries, that's always good to hear about.

-- Pan

Rocky_Shorz
6th December 2013, 03:32
Dear Jena,

the celestials you've known are nothing compared to the ones you just met...

By making that offer, you are giving the village more than they expected and passing on the blessings you have all been given through being who you are.

this will give you time to get national support...

xidaijena
6th December 2013, 03:35
Things become worse in my branch. Frankly speaking, it's the fist time I experience such kind of thing in my 25 years on Mother Earth ( I mean this lifetime).

When watching all these crazy events and those villagers' rude behaviors, I was a liar if I tell you that I had no fear. Though I have strong faith in God, I'm still too young to peacefully face. But I don't hate them or feel very angry with them. I just hope we won't be hurt very badly, and hope more peace from God will come into our and these villagers' hearts. Including the local governments.

I'm so grateful that all of you here are staying with me. And my beloved sisters and brothers are living with me.

Below things in my heart are very sure:

The big change will come soon.
Our community will win at last.
None of us who are living in the community now will leave Mother Earth before the big change comes.
The new era is very wonderful.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Now I need more positive energy to tell my ego to be fearless.

Share some nice quotes to encourage myself . Hugs to all of you here. :grouphug:

http://i.imgur.com/z5a8bTY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/4Xegog4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ilty0YGl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FhQburS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gfoSFozl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pFFCsDT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/S72n3Gj.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/G97esWT.jpg

xidaijena
6th December 2013, 04:06
Jena, offer the village a 1% land tax, they say it is worth 4M so offer 40,000 a year to the local economy in exchange for privacy and expansion permissions.

It's one of their excuses, dear Rocky. Things are much more complex. Thank you for your advice, but we won't do that. :p

xidaijena
6th December 2013, 04:11
Dear Jena,

the celestials you've known are nothing compared to the ones you just met...

By making that offer, you are giving the village more than they expected and passing on the blessings you have all been given through being who you are.

this will give you time to get national support...

It's not in accord with our values. We won't do that, and now we don't have enough money to offer them for we are a nonprofit community. These villagers were hired by the local governments. :p

Rocky_Shorz
6th December 2013, 04:15
ignorance can never be fought by thought...

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Dear Jena,

the celestials you've known are nothing compared to the ones you just met...

By making that offer, you are giving the village more than they expected and passing on the blessings you have all been given through being who you are.

this will give you time to get national support...

It's not in accord with our values. We won't do that, and now we don't have enough money to offer them for we are a nonprofit community. These villagers were hired by the local governments. :p

your leader has the funds to save the village...

he is now connected to Avalon and being pulled here for answers...

Rocky_Shorz
6th December 2013, 04:40
40,000 is ~$7000

foreigners will pay to visit

yes it is great to offer visitors from around the world to visit for free, but what you offer is special, what people will pay to experience.

offer a special week where the "Master" will be visiting every few months for visitors to pay to be part of the community...

the village is looking for a benefit for you being there, so give them one... money is all they want, if not 40, make it 20, $3500 isn't that much to continue your wonderful community.

http://i.imgur.com/pFFCsDT.jpg

xidaijena
6th December 2013, 04:49
Has anything beneficial been reached yet by your efforts online?

Till now, there's not yet. Just keep spreading. :p

There're many Gods, but only one Creator.The Greatest Creator creats all the lives for fun. The universe is a big playground for all of us and living beings to play. Read more about what I have shared and if could, have a read about Conversations with God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversations_with_God), it has a lot common with Lifechanyuan Values. I like it very much, and it' helps me to have a better understanding of Lifechanyuan Values.;)

Have a nice day! Hugs!:hug:

xidaijena
6th December 2013, 05:00
40,000 is ~$7000

foreigners will pay to visit

yes it is great to offer visitors from around the world to visit for free, but what you offer is special, what people will pay to experience.

offer a special week where the "Master" will be visiting every few months for visitors to pay to be part of the community...

the village is looking for a benefit for you being there, so give them one... money is all they want, if not 40, make it 20, $3500 isn't that much to continue your wonderful community.

http://i.imgur.com/pFFCsDT.jpg

Interesting idea, but we won't do that. We won't let our visitors pay for us especially now. Thank you very much, dear Rocky.

Violet
6th December 2013, 07:39
40,000 is ~$7000

foreigners will pay to visit

yes it is great to offer visitors from around the world to visit for free, but what you offer is special, what people will pay to experience.

offer a special week where the "Master" will be visiting every few months for visitors to pay to be part of the community...

the village is looking for a benefit for you being there, so give them one... money is all they want, if not 40, make it 20, $3500 isn't that much to continue your wonderful community.

http://i.imgur.com/pFFCsDT.jpg

I suggested something similar at the beginnings of this thread, only mine was no-fee.

Also targeted at foreign visitors but not with the intention of contenting the locals, rather to attract foreign attention and in doing so safeguard personal security.

Violet
6th December 2013, 07:44
Has anything beneficial been reached yet by your efforts online?

Till now, there's not yet. Just keep spreading. :p

There're many Gods, but only one Creator.The Greatest Creator creats all the lives for fun. The universe is a big playground for all of us and living beings to play. Read more about what I have shared and if could, have a read about Conversations with God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversations_with_God), it has a lot common with Lifechanyuan Values. I like it very much, and it' helps me to have a better understanding of Lifechanyuan Values.;)

Have a nice day! Hugs!:hug:

Okay Jena, will have to read that because from a Western point of view a God that creates other Gods for fun...If you look at how people with "different" Gods deal with each other, fun is kind of...not a word that would describe that situation best.

But I hope I will indeed be able to gain more understanding of your life view and your community after I read this book. Till then, be safe, thanks again and a nice day to you too.

Rocky_Shorz
6th December 2013, 07:54
when a community is getting thrown out, answers are what is needed, forget formalities, if you say ooh we'll never charge a visitor, but with no income you are being tossed from your homes, ask from those who can afford, and offer to those who can't. I am giving you what you asked for, an answer on how to save your community. give a what if type of offer, and see what they say.



40,000 is ~$7000

foreigners will pay to visit

yes it is great to offer visitors from around the world to visit for free, but what you offer is special, what people will pay to experience.

offer a special week where the "Master" will be visiting every few months for visitors to pay to be part of the community...

the village is looking for a benefit for you being there, so give them one... money is all they want, if not 40, make it 20, $3500 isn't that much to continue your wonderful community.

http://i.imgur.com/pFFCsDT.jpg

I suggested something similar at the beginnings of this thread, only mine was no-fee.

Also targeted at foreign visitors but not with the intention of contenting the locals, rather to attract foreign attention and in doing so safeguard personal security.

Realeyes
6th December 2013, 12:30
I have just finished reading all the latest members posts and see there are a number of interesting questions about Jena’s community philosophies and beliefs.

The internet is a wonderful communication system but sitting comfortably at one’s computer can at times be very impersonal and can make us behave so differently from how we would behave speaking face to face in the moment. I am just wondering about ‘timing’ here. For example, I know for myself if my neighbours house was on fire and they were rushing about with buckets of water, I would not think it was the right timing to go up to them and ask them to explain their beliefs about the universe.

Re-reading the title OP of this thread, Jena and her community are right in the middle of having their eco community threatened by angry villagers who she believes are working for some kind of local government body. I do understand the legal issues are not clear and other issues too. Yet what is clear in her posts, videos and photographs is that the whole community in these last days has been under attack, their property is being purposely vandalised, the community is shaken up, frightened and possibly facing much uncertainty and fears of being evicted with nowhere else to go.

I am sure Jena is very willing and happy to answer all these questions and share an in depth explanation to their communities philosophies, yet right now as I see it there are more important and immediate pressing situations requiring her attention such as how to keep her and her brother and sisters ‘safe’ and a roof over their heads. She has already said they have cut off their power supply and she is using a temporary generator for short usage each day to post on Avalon.

Please have a heart.....and see what it is like walking in her shoes in this day not knowing when the next attack will start and where they maybe tomorrow.

Jena and her community are all human beings; they have feelings too just like you and me and are gentle folk living in an eco community against the odds of the country policies they live in. As I see it all religions have cracks and holes in them, but I don’t personally go around poking at everyone’s faith because it is different to my opinion. No matter what the beliefs - if those who gravitate towards it gives them purpose and joy in their life and harms no-one, who cares what someone holds in their mind – and how does it suddenly become someone else’s business to dream bust it? If one accepts the concepts of reincarnation – it is likely we have all followed numerous religions in our lifetimes.

Please know I am not having a go at anyone directly, I am just asking for a little reflection and ask yourself 'if' you were in her shoes right now with so many uncertainties threatening the paradise they have worked so hard to create – how would you feel by some of these posts contained on this thread – would you find them supportive or hammering the nail in the coffin further?

I think the best way to end this post is to refer back to what Bill wisely wrote some pages back.




.....Regarding the questions asked of Jena's project, about which I know very little, it strikes me that there's a certain amount of unpleasantness being shown here for reasons that are not easy to understand.

1) If an Avalon member asks for help or at least requests a chance to express themselves because something unwanted and hurtful has happened in their lives, we should offer support and understanding. These are my own strong values and I would very much like this principle to be upheld.

2) Avalon is a virtual but wholly international community. We have members from many dozens of countries in every part of the globe. There's a wonderful opportunity here for all of us, especially those of us who may not have traveled much or who speak other languages, to learn about other cultures, worldviews, and ways of living. (How many of us speak Chinese as well as xidaijena speaks English? And how many of us have ever visited China or have any real qualifications to make any informed comments about the culture there at all?)

3) It's crystal clear to me that anyone who aspires to be trying functionally and practically to create a better world, or examples of a better world, and has made significant and risk-laden personal commitments to do that, should be supported and not criticized as if they're somehow doing something out of line.

We need more people in the world like xidaijena, and we're privileged to have her in our Avalon community. Any new visitor to Avalon might be forgiven for thinking that they can see a certain degree of xenophobia and myopia on this thread.

4) To me, some of the responses to xidaijena have appeared offensive and in direct opposition to Avalon's values. Her own replies here so far to one or two fairly barbed comments and questions have done her great credit.

5) There can be all kinds of reasons for human beings doing anything at all that seems violent or freedom-restricting. Students of world history will know full well that for thousands of years there's been an ongoing battle between the vectors of personal freedom and the vectors of control and suppression. This continues today as strongly as it ever did in the days of Chairman Mao, Attila the Hun, or Herod the Great. China, despite its recent very successful conversion to a western-style economy, is not yet well-known for championing human rights.

Here's what it all boils down to, in my opinion:

If we don't do all we can to stand for and support those of us who are here this lifetime to continue that mission, Planet Earth will be lost pretty much forever and we may all just as well start to plan to reincarnate somewhere else next time round because the battle is lost. We have to get this right this time. Every action counts, even posting a response on the forum. It all adds the balance of energy, in one direction or another.

http://projectavalon.net/Earth-in_the_balance.jpg

mosquito
7th December 2013, 04:42
Feeling very downhearted that this thuggery is still going on.

Sending you and everyone in your community love.

Realeyes
7th December 2013, 11:42
Dear Jena,

I hope you and your community are well, we have not heard from you for a day – are you able to update us on your situation?

I have been thinking about your situation and if I remember rightly your community has been around for at least 3 years. I am just wondering how your community has engaged with the local villagers over these years. Have you had open days, where the locals are able to see all the wonderful permaculture you have managed to achieve on the land? Has your community ever bartered your produce with the local villagers where you can support each other for example swapping fruits for grain?

Open communication normally resolves many misunderstandings. I am sure if the villagers could see all the wonderful peaceful work you have done to the land and how this eco community could benefit the villagers too, perhaps greater peace between you all could be obtained.

I understand that your community’s philosophies maybe too futuristic for the villagers old belief systems, so perhaps such knowledge would be best not to be shared too in depth, keeping it at first condensed more on lines with examples of how humans can live self-sufficiently off the land peacefully in a joyful community spirit where every person is counted, loved and respected.

Perhaps some of the local farmers would love to hear your knowledge on permaculture inspiring the farmers of different ways to produce their crops that is harmonious to the land. Sharing knowledge about the greater nutrition your produce has due to no pesticides and chemicals used as you have companion grown with different plants allowing nature to be the natural deterrent to pests etc. There is so much your community could share with the villagers that would benefit all.

The villagers that have been harassing you are all men. Where are all the women of the neighbouring village? Is anyone in your community friendly with the women of the village and perhaps suggest inviting every villager to come and have an evening of fine home grown food, music and dancing together. An evening to really get to know and relate with each other. Perhaps even suggest that this welcoming gathering can occur more often where relationships can build, each person arriving with a little offering of their own produce to share in the open meal together.

One of the downfalls of many communities is that they close themselves off from the neighbouring dwellers and unfortunately human beings can be superstitious in nature, and anything that is deemed secret or hidden raises suspicions and fears. If there is any way to bridge this gap and show the villagers that you mean them no harm that you respect all human life and peaceful living together where everyone can help support each other in so many different ways - such acts may make a difference for the betterment of all.

Wouldn’t it be lovely if your community could turn this all around, even at this late stage of development where the villagers support your community and its survival?

I am just wondering where your leader is in all that is happening right now? What advice and support is he giving to your community? Does he have solicitors working on the legal side of the land lease? Is he at hand to speak to the villagers that come to your gate? Is he trying to negotiate and reason with the villagers? Has he elected a spokesperson to liaise between the villagers and the authorities? Such acts of intentions would also hopefully steer the situation towards a more peaceful result.

I send you much love and you all are in my thoughts.

Realeyes X

xidaijena
7th December 2013, 14:22
Dear Jena,

I hope you and your community are well, we have not heard from you for a day – are you able to update us on your situation?

I have been thinking about your situation and if I remember rightly your community has been around for at least 3 years. I am just wondering how your community has engaged with the local villagers over these years. Have you had open days, where the locals are able to see all the wonderful permaculture you have managed to achieve on the land? Has your community ever bartered your produce with the local villagers where you can support each other for example swapping fruits for grain?

Open communication normally resolves many misunderstandings. I am sure if the villagers could see all the wonderful peaceful work you have done to the land and how this eco community could benefit the villagers too, perhaps greater peace between you all could be obtained.

I understand that your community’s philosophies maybe too futuristic for the villagers old belief systems, so perhaps such knowledge would be best not to be shared too in depth, keeping it at first condensed more on lines with examples of how humans can live self-sufficiently off the land peacefully in a joyful community spirit where every person is counted, loved and respected.

Perhaps some of the local farmers would love to hear your knowledge on permaculture inspiring the farmers of different ways to produce their crops that is harmonious to the land. Sharing knowledge about the greater nutrition your produce has due to no pesticides and chemicals used as you have companion grown with different plants allowing nature to be the natural deterrent to pests etc. There is so much your community could share with the villagers that would benefit all.

The villagers that have been harassing you are all men. Where are all the women of the neighbouring village? Is anyone in your community friendly with the women of the village and perhaps suggest inviting every villager to come and have an evening of fine home grown food, music and dancing together. An evening to really get to know and relate with each other. Perhaps even suggest that this welcoming gathering can occur more often where relationships can build, each person arriving with a little offering of their own produce to share in the open meal together.

One of the downfalls of many communities is that they close themselves off from the neighbouring dwellers and unfortunately human beings can be superstitious in nature, and anything that is deemed secret or hidden raises suspicions and fears. If there is any way to bridge this gap and show the villagers that you mean them no harm that you respect all human life and peaceful living together where everyone can help support each other in so many different ways - such acts may make a difference for the betterment of all.

Wouldn’t it be lovely if your community could turn this all around, even at this late stage of development where the villagers support your community and its survival?

I am just wondering where your leader is in all that is happening right now? What advice and support is he giving to your community? Does he have solicitors working on the legal side of the land lease? Is he at hand to speak to the villagers that come to your gate? Is he trying to negotiate and reason with the villagers? Has he elected a spokesperson to liaise between the villagers and the authorities? Such acts of intentions would also hopefully steer the situation towards a more peaceful result.

I send you much love and you all are in my thoughts.

Realeyes X

Hi dear sister Realeyes, I'm very okay today. Sorry to reply you late. I saw all your replies from my e-mails, but didn't have time to read very carefully.

Today, another unhappy news came to us, and this is Guide Xuefeng's new article:

A Request and Appeal of Life and Death

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6648

I just finish updating this post here and on my website.

150 Lives Are on the Verge of Death: Crazy Events Are Happening in Yunnan, China

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6647&page=1&extra=#pid21783

I'm trying to look for more foreign media or foreign journalists in China. We called some Chinese media and journalists, they told us that they couldn't help us for the fear of the power of the authorities.

Thank you for sharing your nice idea, dear sister. I like it very much, I know it could help the villagers know more about us. Yes, though we didn't make very close relationships with the villagers for we (the 4th branch) are located in the deep of the montain. Few people live near us. While our 1st branch is located in the villages, when lots of pears are grown in our orchards, we often share many with those villagers. We get along very well with them.

Guide Xuefeng is our founder, he is our spiritual guide. He lives in my branch. When those bad things were happened in our 3rd branch, he came there alone and spoke to the villagers. When seeing those villagers were so crazy, he asked us to keep silent when facing them again. When these crazy villagers came to my branch, Guide Xuefeng was with us all the time. We won't let these villagers touch our Guide for they want to hurt him, they know Guide Xuefeng is very important to us. Some of them asked our sisters and brothers more than 3 times that if Guide Xuefeng has a car accident or no longer stays with us, what will we do the next? So we will try our best to protect Guide Xuefeng. Guide Xuefeng is always trying to he trying to negotiate and reason with the villagers, he wrote many articles to share with them. But they are now very crazy and controlled the dark forces.

Oh, I'm so sorry, dear sister, it's time for me to get off line. It's 10:22 pm now. Thank you for your love, I will keep it in my dream.

Hugs to you. :hug:

Realeyes
7th December 2013, 14:45
Dear Jena,
Thank you so much for updating us, I know you must be very busy your end doing all that you can to preserve your communities. Thank you for the latest links.
I wish you sweet dreams tonight.
Love & Blessings
Realeyes :hug:

panopticon
9th December 2013, 03:56
G'day Jena,

The 10 day deadline for the #4 village has now passed.
If you are able, can you update us on the current status of the various communities and your personal situation (a link to an update on the lifechanyuan forum will suffice if time is an issue).
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

xidaijena
9th December 2013, 04:56
G'day Jena,

The 10 day deadline for the #4 village has now passed.
If you are able, can you update us on the current status of the various communities and your personal situation (a link to an update on the lifechanyuan forum will suffice if time is an issue).
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Hi dear panopticon, tks for your time and attention to my community, here is the link of the updating news:

The Largest Ecovillage in China Suffers A Heavy Blow! "Beautiful China" Becomes Empty Talk?

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6647&page=1&extra=#pid21783

I will also update the post here in the afternoon. Hugs!

panopticon
9th December 2013, 06:12
It appears from this link (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6651) I followed on your forums page that the regional forestry bureau is saying that you are using the land for other than what is permitted under its zoning.

It is fortunate that sometimes these things can be resolved (I notice that the option of appeal is available to the #4 branch) however given that it appears the local Government do not want your group in the area I'm not seeing any option for you other than moving to a new location. If they don't "get you" with this attempt/tactic they will simply change to another one.

How are the proceedings going against the other 3 villages?

That is the greater concern because it appears that someone or group in the central government has taken a dislike to the lifechanyuan community and are endeavouring to disband it.

Best of luck and I look forward to your update on the current situation.

-- Pan

xidaijena
9th December 2013, 06:43
That is the greater concern because it appears that someone or group in the central government has taken a dislike to the lifechanyuan community and are endeavouring to disband it.

-- Pan

I think it's not very easy for all governments to agree a new life style existing in their country especially which is a big threat to their controlling system.


How are the proceedings going against the other 3 villages?

We once have 3 branches of our community, the 3th was forced given up. Now there're only 2 branches in China. Today there came a secretary and 2 directors to the 1st branch to talk about the contract, they just personally came to tell us to do some preparations. They also said that we never violate Chinese laws or commit crimes and never bring any troubles to them, we felt very grateful for their kind words. We also promised that hope they will give us more to wait for the decision of central governments.

Thank God, till now, everything is going peacefully, though we still didn't get any practical supports from the outside world.


Best of luck and I look forward to your update on the current situation.

Thank you for your wishes, dear Pan. I will keep updating news here. Hugs. :hug:

Limor Wolf
9th December 2013, 06:58
Dear Jena,

I wonder if by any chance you contacted David Icke's TPV channel (The People's voice)?

Just in case I wrote this to them, but here is the link if it is your wish to write to them yourself

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/

You and your community are in my thoughts

May the force be with you ~

Love,

Limor



Dear TPV,

Thank you for your marvelous work. You help restore our faith in human beings.

I would like to bring to your attention the story of the Ecovilleges in China, these are four villages which represent a new way of life of apparently peacful living with nature and in a loving and respectful community which are now facing great difficulties from the chinese government. They need any help they can get in broadcasting it out.

Will you please be able to take a look?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65982-Crazy-China--Forty-People-Broke-into-the-4th-Branch-of-Our-Community-Without-Any-Lawful-Documents-

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6647&page=1&extra=#pid21783

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tsxezctz5Y

If you are interested in getting in touch with Xidaijena who is also a member in the Avalon forum I will be most willing to pass her your mesaage

Many blessings and all our good energies to you ~

panopticon
9th December 2013, 07:02
We once have 3 branches of our community, the 3th was forced given up. Now there're only 2 branches in China.

Thank you for clearing that up for me Jena.
I assumed because you were living in the #4 branch that there were another 3.
While it may not be the appropriate time to ask, so feel free to ignore this question if you want, what was the reason the 3rd branch was 'given up'.



Today there came a secretary and 2 directors to the 1st branch to talk about the contract, they just personally came to tell us to do some preparations.
Do you mean by this that you are all preparing to leave the eco-community?



They also said that we never violate Chinese laws or commit crimes and never bring any troubles to them, we felt very grateful for their kind words. We also promised that hope they will give us more to wait for the decision of central governments.
I too hope you are given more time until a decision is handed down.



everything is going peacefully.

At least that is good news, especially when children and the elderly are involved.

-- Pan

xidaijena
9th December 2013, 07:32
Dear Jena,

I wonder if by any chance you contacted David Icke's TPV channel (The People's voice)?

Just in case I wrote this to them, but here is the link if it is your wish to write to them yourself

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/

You and your community are in my thoughts

May the force be with you ~

Love,

Limor



Dear TPV,

Thank you for your marvelous work. You help restore our faith in human beings.

I would like to bring to your attention the story of the Ecovilleges in China, these are four villages which represent a new way of life of apparently peacful living with nature and in a loving and respectful community which are now facing great difficulties from the chinese government. They need any help they can get in broadcasting it out.

Will you please be able to take a look?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65982-Crazy-China--Forty-People-Broke-into-the-4th-Branch-of-Our-Community-Without-Any-Lawful-Documents-

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6647&page=1&extra=#pid21783

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tsxezctz5Y

If you are interested in getting in touch with Xidaijena who is also a member in the Avalon forum I will be most willing to pass her your mesaage

Many blessings and all our good energies to you ~

Oh, that's so nice of you, dear Limor. Thank you very much! I will also ask our sisters to send e-mails to them! Hugs to you! :hug:

xidaijena
9th December 2013, 07:48
what was the reason the 3rd branch was 'given up'.


What Happened and Are Happening in Our Community:

June 13, 2012 The Public Security Bureau from Chuxiong city conducted a sudden investigation of the 3rd branch without notice. They claimed that they had received reports of illegal activities taking place within the community.

A pair of police officers interviewed each member and asked many questions, including the community founder’s name, the member’s home address and national identification number, how the community finances itself, the level of freedom that community members enjoy, our spiritual values, how children are educated, and the like.

They also checked every one’s room and the data in the personal computer. The police officers used three video cameras to record the entire investigation.

June 15, 2012 The Public Security Bureau informed our community founder Xuefeng, that the investigation was a legal process and that all members of the 3rd branch were free. They also asked for our support in any future investigations.

Mar 6, 2013 We were notified by local Village Committee that the government was going to reclaim the land that the 3rd branch occupied because the local villagers had insufficient land on which to live, but no formal written notice was presented.

Founder Xuefeng then wrote to the committee, explaining that as long as everything was being done through the legal process, we would be ready to support any decisions of the government.

Why Did the Damaging Event Happen? -- the Background of the 3rd branch Event on Mar 6 ,2013

Mar-April 2013 There were a few negotiations between the community and village representatives, but no agreement was met. We bought the property at the price of 540,000 RMB. According to the contract terms, if any party breaks the contract, the other party would receive compensation equal to ten times the contract value, also counting in the investment that was put on renovation and new buildings, we asked for a total compensation of only 5,000,000 RMB. But the village representatives did not agree and also said we can take new buildings and roads with us.

Apr 25, 2013 The road leading to the 3rd branch was vandalized, and power and network cables were cut.

The Road was Damaged , Power and Telephone Lines Had Been Cut Off in the 3rd Branch

May 17, 2013 The wall of gate was pull down.

Note: During the last six months, we have reported the above incident to local police station. They came and investigated the case, but gave us no feedback and took no action to satisfy our complaints.

The Gate Wall was Pushed Off after the Last Damage of the 3rd Branch

Nov 05, 2013 A group of people claiming to represent the Village Committee and other government bureaus, but without proper identification, came to the 3rd branch and called Xuefeng to tell him come to a meeting in Chuxiong city immediately.

On the same day, they informed us that our important guest Michiyo, the president of GEN Asia and Oceania should not visit the 3rd branch.

Urgent Notice: The 3rd branch of the Second Home Faces Another Disaster

Nov 06 -07, 2013 Xuefeng met with local village representatives who claimed that the lease contract signed between our landlord and us was invalid and that they wanted to reclaim the land. No photo or video recording were allowed during the meeting. After the meeting, they disassembled the gate to the 3rd branch and took it away.

Nov 08, 2013 In order to avoid any possible physical harm to community members, we decided to give up the property of the 3rd branch and agreed that we would move out before November 23. Government and village representatives then announced that the lease contract was cancelled immediately and that we would not be given any compensation. They also required all residents to go home and that they not go to the other branches.

We are Going to Lose the 3rd branch and the Second Home Is Facing a Calamity

The Subsequent Report of the Event of the 3rd Branch -1

The Subsequent Report of the Event of the 3rd Branch - 2


Nov 09, 2013 A bus was sent to the 3rd branch by police and they contacted the families of community members and told them that Xuefeng is a big cheater and that the families should take their relatives back home immediately. They also told people that they were coming to save them.

On the same day, We decided that Lifechanyuan will apply non-violent noncooperation when facing representatives from any government departments.

Withdraw From Chuxiong and the 3rd Branch No Longer Exist


Nov 11, 2013

One Value I Want to Share With the City Affairs Bureau

Nov 16, 2013

The Second Home of Lifechanyuan in China Seeks Urgent International Help

Nov 19, 2013 Forty members safely withdrew from the 3rd Branch and were transferred to the other two branches.

Forty Brothers and Sisters Withdrew From the 3rd Branch Safely Today

Nov 21, 2013

Photos of the 3rd Branch Before Our Final Withdrawl/Shenxian celestial

Nov 22, 2013

The Disbandment Measure to the Brothers and Sisters in the Second Home is Illegal

The Content of Nonviolence and Noncooperation of the Second Home of Lifechanyuan

Hi dear Pan, please read the full story and links on #1 post.



Do you mean by this that you are all preparing to leave the eco-community?

No, we will hold on to the community with our lives.

xidaijena
10th December 2013, 12:45
Dear all, I feel much peaceful and relaxed today. They are now using lawful documents to dismiss us from Yunnan Province. Much safer to us. We are also trying to compromise with the local governments to peacefully and legally solve all these events. We hope they can help us to register and show us a way to exist. May God bless us. Hugs to all of you here.


This is my happy life in my beautiful community, miss those happy and peaceful days very much:

I began to live in my community on July 1, 2011. I lived in the 1st branch for 3 months.

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/10/191552gb8gtgtwi3zxbjgz.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/10/192812hprnn88u7wzpkehe.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201108/30/10553501odzy11ldw5101q.jpg

Then I came to the 3rd branch and lived there for one year. I love it best. It was so sweet, natural and beautiful.

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201210/19/1714012zrd3mq2h3uzh0c2.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201210/19/172537ai1pfb11f1mbk1oh.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201210/19/172514nmyeym1xgz8zyyw6.jpg

See more here:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4305&extra=page%3D1

I came to the 4th branch in Sep, 2012 and have lived here for about one year. (I once went back to my hometown for 4 months.)

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201308/09/145732i1o3o5o15oo551es.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201308/09/1459068t14p417h1w9ziti.jpg

http://2013life.com/new/data/attachment/forum/201311/23/130722guk9ldxdk22p29hi.jpg

See more here:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=5989&extra=page%3D1


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After experiencing darkness, I cherish light much more. Praise God.

Anchor
10th December 2013, 22:16
Thanks for this update.

I am with you, together with others here, in our thoughts every day trying to help this get resolved peacefully.

xidaijena
11th December 2013, 07:25
Thanks for this update.

I am with you, together with others here, in our thoughts every day trying to help this get resolved peacefully.

Thank you very much, dear brother. We know many of you are with us all the time. I decide to share some kind posts here on our Chinese internal webiste. Because many of living chanyuan celestials in our community can't speak English nor read English very well. Now I have time to share all your love with my sisters and brothers in the Second Home. Maybe I can also share their replies here with all of you. I'm so grateful to God that all of you here make me feel we are already one big family in our heart. Hugs to all of you. :grouphug:

xidaijena
11th December 2013, 08:19
Hi dear all, the news has already updated both on #1 post and my website:


Dec 09, 2013

The 1st branch: Three representatives from local Village Committee came and told us that in the last four years, we never do anything against law or make troubles to villagers, but we need to get ready to leave the place, they suggested us to:

1. Estimate the compensation amount we expect to get
2. Check where else we can move to in China

We replied that as long as we are advised by central government that we are an illegal organization, we will leave the place immediately, but now, we do not plan to leave because we did not breach the lease contract or do anything illegal.

The whole conversation was conducted in a friendly atmosphere.

Dec 10, 2013

The 4th branch: Representatives from Lincang City Forestry Bureau came again and issued us a penalty decision letter saying that we must pay a fine of 168,012 RMB within the next fifteen days, and the property must be restored to its original condition within the next two months. If we do not agree, we can apply for a reconsideration within 60 days, or file a lawsuit in local court.

Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6647&page=1&extra=#pid21783

xidaijena
11th December 2013, 10:23
Thank God! Just now a Beijing-based reporter for AFP (L'Agence France-Presse) contacted me that he wants to come to see the situation in our community.

We really welcome more foreign reporters in China to our community, if anyone who knows those reporters, please tell me, thank you very much, hugs to all of you here. :grouphug:

Our official e-mail: lifechanyuan@sina.cn

My personal e-mail: da007wz@sina.com

Realeyes
11th December 2013, 10:27
Hi Jena,

Thank you for updating us with the latest official developments regarding your communities.

I have re-read your update yet left slightly confused. The representatives say 1st branch must prepare to leave, decide compensation and look for another area in China. I do not understand why they say this, what is their meaning and reason backing these words? They say you have done nothing unlawful, caused no trouble with the villagers etc. If you have NOT broken any laws, and live within the lease contract rules, why do you have to prepare to leave? It makes no sense. I wish you all the very best with appealing with central government and hope that they see what a benefit you are to the local environment and villagers.

I am wondering regarding your 2nd branch if there is a way to appeal to the official body, showing your photographs of how you have turned a wasteland into an Eco environment that enhances the land and its beauty that does not 'take' but rather 'promotes life' sustainably in harmony with Nature.

These are pictures taken from your communities website.


http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/09/1228305k4hpvdh3amm68hd.jpg

As to branch 2: The original land prior to your community arriving, already had at some point in time a type of agricultural farming activity upon it with the long large building and was disused and the land turned to waste land. To my eyes, all you have done is dismantled the long old building and added the little sleeping quarter buildings on the exact site, extending only a little more than the original occupied land. Have you calculated the cubic feet of the original building and then compared this to what cubic feet of buildings you have now? This may be helpful in your appeal.

No trees seemed to have been felled, you simply made use of the open land and built upon what was already there improving the site, and its value creating small sleeping quarters for all whom work on the land growing crops. I am wondering if the land lease was just for agricultural purposes only, and due to people living on the land this is what the license lease did not agree to? Have you been able to go through carefully what the lease for branch 2 permitted? This would be useful in order to appeal and discover why they are wanting to fine you so much. What is it that they believe you have supposedly 'damaged' to receive such a high fine?????

The more you can understand 'what' the officials are complaining about, will help you when you apply for 'reconsideration'. IF the officials are able to see with your many photos and perhaps even a guided tour of your community showing them all that you have done improving and creating a harmonious eco community that works alongside with Nature, 'enchancing' rather than 'taking', perhaps you can change their minds. Explain to them that growing crops organically and naturally by hand power (opposed to heavy industrial machinery) requires more farmers to tend the land.

Do you have a team in your community that is working on this who know how to present all your efforts in a positive way that enhances the local environment. The more positive proof you can offer to the officials, the better these appeals will hopefully go towards your favour.

Jena your last set of photos are beautiful, thank you for sharing your timeline. It is clear that you all are very joyful of life, peaceful within your souls, people that really love and relate with each other and have many happy memories of living this 'new' way. Memories are precious and can never be stolen. ;) You all hold gold within your memories.

Like many others, your communities remain in my loving focus prayers.

I so truly hope you will be able to convince officials that living sustainably working alongside Nature is something humans have done as gentle farmers since time began. Technology although it has many benefits, it has sadly becoming all too consuming leading humanity astray from our connected relationship with Nature's natural environment, ways and seasons. Since the western industrial age our Earth has been ravaged of its sources through greed, this is not sustainable - Humanities Future is on a thin thread, lifestyles have to change if our children's children are to have a beautiful world to live in. If you can appeal to the officials via their humanity, pure reason, and also long sight for their children's children's futures and the ongoingness of humanity living upon this Earth, perhaps you will make sense to them.

Keep up the great work, the Future needs people like you. You all have many skills that will assist others, especially on how it is possible to live in harmony upon this world peacefully together where true relationships and communication between people and the land is possible.

Godspeed
Realeyes X

:wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

xidaijena
11th December 2013, 10:38
Hi Jena,

Thank you for updating us with the latest official developments regarding your communities.

Hi dear sister, it's time for me to get off line to learn values from 7 pm to 9 pm (time in my place is now 6:37 pm), I will reply you after learning values. Hugs.:hug:

xidaijena
11th December 2013, 14:14
Hi Jena,

Thank you for updating us with the latest official developments regarding your communities.


I wish you all the very best with appealing with central government and hope that they see what a benefit you are to the local environment and villagers.

I hope too, may God bless us. I remember your advice before, that's so useful to us. Now our Guide Xuefeng also decides to build a good relationship with the villagers.



Have you calculated the cubic feet of the original building and then compared this to what cubic feet of buildings you have now? This may be helpful in your appeal.

We did it and we had built more buildings, that is the fact.


Have you been able to go through carefully what the lease for branch 2 permitted? This would be useful in order to appeal and discover why they are wanting to fine you so much. What is it that they believe you have supposedly 'damaged' to receive such a high fine?????

Do you have a team in your community that is working on this who know how to present all your efforts in a positive way that enhances the local environment. The more positive proof you can offer to the officials, the better these appeals will hopefully go towards your favour.

They just find more excuses to dismiss us. We have arranged some brothers and sisters who are good at negotiation to solve it. The longer it lasts, the better we are.

Thank you for your kind and encouraging words, dear sister.


If you can appeal to the officials via their humanity, pure reason, and also long sight for their children's children's futures and the ongoingness of humanity living upon this Earth, perhaps you will make sense to them.

We will try our best to do that. But hope God gives us more love energy.



Keep up the great work, the Future needs people like you. You all have many skills that will assist others, especially on how it is possible to live in harmony upon this world peacefully together where true relationships and communication between people and the land is possible.

Thank you very much, dear sister. We will keep up our community forever. :hug:

BTW... dear sister, do you have FB? Can you add me?

https://www.facebook.com/xidaicelestial

xidaijena
14th December 2013, 07:46
Notice: Accept Government's Directive to Dissolve the Second Home of Lifechanyuan

Xuefeng
12th December 2013

(Translated by Kaer and Conglong)

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/14/084627p7x9u39l77qbf373.jpg

The Government has explicitly told us that the Second Home of Lifechanyuan must be dissolved. We will implement this government directive from today.

We wish to thank all friends in China and overseas who care about the Second Home. Thank you for all the love you have shown and efforts you have made to help us, you may stop now as the Second Home no longer exists.

All Brothers and Sisters of the Second Home, please note that I failed to bring you happiness, but brought you troubles and tribulations. I kneel down before all of you and ask for your forgiveness.

There is no single soul in the universe that is being mistreated. All is running in Tao. This is not the government's fault, nor is it the fault of the Communist Party, nor is it the fault of the local government, but the arrangement of Tao. Please do not resent or blame anyone, we accept the arrangement of Tao.

Please keep a beautiful soul until we die. Please still revere the Greatest Creator, revere LIFE and nature. And maintain the harmony among people, the harmony with society, and the harmony with nature. We have never hurt anyone or any other life being, please still keep this spirit.

We pray for the government to give us enough time to find homes and settle the survival matter of 150 members including the seniors and kids. Except for the relevant government department, please do not send other government officials to give us more pressure. We also pray for the government to persuade the villagers not to harass us or make more destruction, please let us leave quietly and in an orderly manner to go back to our home town.

We pray that if possible, the government will persuade the villagers to reconnect the electricity at the 4th branch because we need it now.

All permanent residents of the community, please let us live in peace and with calmness. We are one of the most civilized group in the world. In any case, we will not do anything extreme, and we believe the government will ultimately and properly solve everyone's survival issues.

As for me, I will be the last to leave.

Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6654&page=1&extra=#pid21826

Anchor
14th December 2013, 08:20
I am very sorry to read of the fall of one of the "outer" manifestations of your "celestial" community.

We all know that China is not fertile ground for challenging ideas of this kind and new ways of living. My impression is that China, like many other governments round the world, views "unregulated" spirituality as a threat to the system of government currently in place, but nature has shown us time and time again, it can be overcome.

The seed has been planted, and the shoots have grown - cut short before maturity.

The root's of the "second home" are metaphysical, transcending time and space. I am convinced that this plant will spring forth in unexpected ways later and carry on with further transformations of the nature of our reality.

This was not a failure.

Many of you will move on and continue to inspire.

I remain focused on a peaceful resolution.

Anchor..

------

About five weeks ago, along the driveway into my farm there was Acacia tree which became diseased and fell. It was only about 12 years old.

It was a bit sad to see it go, but we cleared it away leaving a stump. We thought we may plant some other shrubs there later when we have more time.

Yesterday we noticed that five little baby Acacia's had sprouted in arc about two meters from the stump of the original one!

Of course, this made us happy.

Seems that this is the way of things - somethings have to go to make way for even more and even better things.

Milneman
14th December 2013, 10:21
Here's an idea....why not try starting a branch outside of China!

Say...in Nepal?

Worked for Tibetans escaping the kind of imperialism you're encountering. Just sayin.

xidaijena
15th December 2013, 06:09
http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/15/1355590el04zlxzcxljv6u.jpg

Yesterday we received a notice from 1st branch landlord and the local Town government. They noticed us to leave before Dec 20. The landlord said he wrote the date on Jan 30, but the local town government changed the date to Dec 20, which means they want 70-80 people of 1st branch to leave in 5-6 days. They don't promise to give us any compensation. Even when we agreed to leave, they still push us every day. There is no laws or constitutions in their eyes, and we will not cooperate with them anymore!

xidaijena
15th December 2013, 06:15
I am very sorry to read of the fall of one of the "outer" manifestations of your "celestial" community.

We all know that China is not fertile ground for challenging ideas of this kind and new ways of living. My impression is that China, like many other governments round the world, views "unregulated" spirituality as a threat to the system of government currently in place, but nature has shown us time and time again, it can be overcome.

The seed has been planted, and the shoots have grown - cut short before maturity.

The root's of the "second home" are metaphysical, transcending time and space. I am convinced that this plant will spring forth in unexpected ways later and carry on with further transformations of the nature of our reality.

This was not a failure.

Many of you will move on and continue to inspire.

I remain focused on a peaceful resolution.

Anchor..

------

About five weeks ago, along the driveway into my farm there was Acacia tree which became diseased and fell. It was only about 12 years old.

It was a bit sad to see it go, but we cleared it away leaving a stump. We thought we may plant some other shrubs there later when we have more time.

Yesterday we noticed that five little baby Acacia's had sprouted in arc about two meters from the stump of the original one!

Of course, this made us happy.

Seems that this is the way of things - somethings have to go to make way for even more and even better things.


Thank you for your inspiring words and sharings, dear brother. Today our Guide Xuefeng declares that we WILL NOT dissolve our community! The battle is continuing! May God give us more courage and love to protect our legal and human rights! Hugs to you!

xidaijena
15th December 2013, 06:20
Here's an idea....why not try starting a branch outside of China!

Say...in Nepal?

Worked for Tibetans escaping the kind of imperialism you're encountering. Just sayin.

We don't have enogh money to do that, and the visa is a big problem.:p

Milneman
15th December 2013, 12:09
Here's an idea....why not try starting a branch outside of China!

Say...in Nepal?

Worked for Tibetans escaping the kind of imperialism you're encountering. Just sayin.

We don't have enogh money to do that, and the visa is a big problem.:p

Don't need a visa if you're claiming yourselves as refugees escaping religious persecution.

Just sayin.

panopticon
15th December 2013, 13:23
http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/15/1355590el04zlxzcxljv6u.jpg

Yesterday we received a notice from 1st branch landlord and the local Town government. They noticed us to leave before Dec 20. The landlord said he wrote the date on Jan 30, but the local town government changed the date to Dec 20, which means they want 70-80 people of 1st branch to leave in 5-6 days. They don't promise to give us any compensation. Even when we agreed to leave, they still push us every day. There is no laws or constitutions in their eyes, and we will not cooperate with them anymore!

While I admire Xue Feng's decision I do not understand how this follows his own directions:


1. Never fight against the government; never participate in any activity disobedient to the government; never fight against any powerful people in any field; never fight against the boss of the company; be reserved, not display gallantry in front of people; remember that we are the humblest chanyuan celestials, we are the weakest men and we are the most useless people in the world.
Source (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=935&extra=page%3D2)

This confuses me as Xue Feng clearly directs that this is the primary life style example of Chanyuan Values and he states:


Any ignorance of Lifechanyuan Values would incur troubles immediately. Personal promise is not something everlasting, they may turn hostile suddenly.
Source (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=935&extra=page%3D2)
I agree with the evaluation above and think that he has summarised what might occur quite well.

Within the 'Eight don’ts to be a Chanyuan celestial' it states:


5. Do not attack any government, political party, religion, or other organizations and individuals.
Source (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=602&extra=page%3D1)

How does this reconcile with Xue Feng's present course of action?

I ask as I have read in depth the beliefs of your group and particularly admired the above directives when I read them.

The course of passive acceptance to what occurs is a very difficult path but following the ever changing flow of Tao places us all who follow this path within the ever changing tapestry that is Tao. To fight against it is something Lao Tzu said was not appropriate action. Instead, be as the river and move as the river moves to avoid harm. Be accepting of all things as they occur. Anything less is pointless.

I am not trying to argue against Xue Feng's chosen course of action merely trying to understand how this reconciles with the Values and life style examples he has given as the guide of your community.

-- Pan

Agape
15th December 2013, 15:05
The course of passive acceptance to what occurs is a very difficult path but following the ever changing flow of Tao places us all who follow this path within the ever changing tapestry that is Tao. To fight against it is something Lao Tzu said was not appropriate action. Instead, be as the river and move as the river moves to avoid harm. Be accepting of all things as they occur. Anything less is pointless.

I am not trying to argue against Xue Feng's chosen course of action merely trying to understand how this reconciles with the Values and life style examples he has given as the guide of your community.

-- Pan



Hello Pan,

I'm not sure that Jena will necessarily agree but theirs has to be the case of 'passive resistance' rather than 'passive acceptance' .

They probably know the best what kind of government they're dealing with . I think it's better than , say , in North Korea but all kinds of religious groups, spiritual movements, artists and intellectuals who oppose and challenge opinions of Chinese communist government are hunted down , locked up often without trial , for years . If not worse .
Sent to re=education camps though those were promised to be dissolved this year .

The people at the top are mostly hard-core atheists , whatever it means . It's a great shame and pity that in this ancient country and culture that saw the birth and teachings of Confucius, Lao'tze , Buddha and many other sages ,
their current leadership adopted primitive 'faith' in 3D communist manifesto and dragged the cultural and national pride of its people down to gulags and mud of torture .

Their government not only does not tolerate spiritual movements , they often persecute them in very inhumane manner and does not allow any international humane rights groups to intervene .


The Lifechanyuan people are indeed very lucky if they ran such a rare community for 10 years and are still here and alive . I admire their strength and courage and hope that their peaceful effort and power of resistance against the barbarianism of this world will continue ..till all of us can 'live and let live' .

I don't think they want more actually ..



:yo:

Realeyes
15th December 2013, 19:21
....The Lifechanyuan people are indeed very lucky if they ran such a rare community for 10 years and are still here and alive . I admire their strength and courage and hope that their peaceful effort and power of resistance against the barbarianism of this world will continue ..till all of us can 'live and let live' .

I don't think they want more actually ..



:yo:

Such wise beautiful words Agape - thank you for expressing this wise loving foresight.

Milneman
15th December 2013, 20:57
Couple of questions!

1. Does the Lifechanyuan group pay taxes to the government, or are you exempted? There's some pretty detailed articles on Chinese tax law that I've been going through and I'm just curious: if someone outside of China donates, is that money you receive exempt from taxes?

2. I know that the leadership in the group is vague intentionally, but there must be someone who is in charge of keeping financial records. Are these records available for the public to view, as they are with a lot of non-profits here in the west?

3. When the group disbands, as it's been ordered to by the government, what's going to happen to your assets, and the people in your community? Do they get their money back or what?

OnyxKnight
15th December 2013, 21:01
The amount of money you are collecting up from people - you might as well move to the Hamptons. You might even convert Paris Hilton to join you. Just sayin'

panopticon
16th December 2013, 02:00
Hello Pan,

I'm not sure that Jena will necessarily agree but theirs has to be the case of 'passive resistance' rather than 'passive acceptance' .

They probably know the best what kind of government they're dealing with . I think it's better than , say , in North Korea but all kinds of religious groups, spiritual movements, artists and intellectuals who oppose and challenge opinions of Chinese communist government are hunted down , locked up often without trial , for years . If not worse .
Sent to re=education camps though those were promised to be dissolved this year .

The people at the top are mostly hard-core atheists , whatever it means . It's a great shame and pity that in this ancient country and culture that saw the birth and teachings of Confucius, Lao'tze , Buddha and many other sages ,
their current leadership adopted primitive 'faith' in 3D communist manifesto and dragged the cultural and national pride of its people down to gulags and mud of torture .

Their government not only does not tolerate spiritual movements , they often persecute them in very inhumane manner and does not allow any international humane rights groups to intervene .


The Lifechanyuan people are indeed very lucky if they ran such a rare community for 10 years and are still here and alive . I admire their strength and courage and hope that their peaceful effort and power of resistance against the barbarianism of this world will continue ..till all of us can 'live and let live' .

I don't think they want more actually ..


I agree with you Agape.

If you noticed I was asking direct questions as to how this present course of action was reconciled against the Values as described by Xue Feng in relation to his guidance on Life Style for Chanyuan Celestials which I admired so much.

It has nothing to do with my beliefs or thoughts on appropriate action, which I view Xue Feng is doing btw, but rather how this course of action is being reconciled against such strict guidelines in relation to non-resistance as directed by Xue Feng in his guidelines as community leader.

It is very easy for a group to say "We shall not resist, we shall always do what we are directed to do" and then say "We shall resist passively" when situations turn against them. What I am asking is how, and if, this change is being explained/justified internally.

Oh, and don't forget that part of lifechanyuan is the integration of Mao Zedong's teachings. That's clearly stated by Xue Feng here (lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3080).

-- Pan

Anchor
16th December 2013, 02:46
While I admire Xue Feng's decision I do not understand how this follows his own directions:


I'll be interested in what xidai says, but my guess is that xuefeng's allegiance and commitment is with the "pure" government ideal, and not the local corrupt guys who are not representing that ideal in a way that can be respected.

I think that one cannot have a firm grasp of the tao and not understand that sometimes you have to kick some ass :)

panopticon
16th December 2013, 02:57
I think that one cannot have a firm grasp of the tao and not understand that sometimes you have to kick some ass :)

I agree 100% Anchor.

-- Pan

panopticon
16th December 2013, 05:38
Found this on the Lifechanyuan forum from Xue Feng which explains the rationale:

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The Solemn Declaration: the Second Home is Not Going to Disband (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6660)
Xuefeng, 16th December, 2013
(Translated by Ailian)

The local government wanted to disband us, considering of the life safety of all the brothers and sisters, and one of Lifechanyuan values that is always being cooperating with the government, therefore we decided to voluntarily disband. Before voluntary dissolution we requested the local government to give us some time and reasonable compensation. However, the local government did not give us enough time to leave. On the contrary, they asked us to move out within six days. Do not say a company could not move out within six days, even for ants and bees to move home, I am afraid they could not move within six days.

It is very clear that either the local government is inhuman or they are telling us in another way that is we can stay.

Is it necessary to closely cooperate with the local government that is inhuman? To closely cooperate with the inhuman government, we ourselves would become inhuman and evils.

The behind mastermind of the persecution we have been suffering are all local government. All the things such as vandalized road, cut off power and water source, pulled down the fence, tore down the gate, gathered a crowd to attack us, damaged the solar panel, and forced the party A of the contract to terminate the contract with us are all hatched with secrecy by the local government. Such a government with the nature of violence and gangland has lost the nature of a government, it has become a local gangland.

Therefore, I solemnly declare that the Second Home is not going to disband.

Source (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6660)

Nanoo Nanoo
16th December 2013, 06:39
Xidaijena

Have you made an official press release about this matter ?



N

sigma6
16th December 2013, 08:51
Anyhow I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here, but have you contacted any kind of legal representative to look at the contract that you had? To at least start there, of course beware which type of lawyer you get, you must be very cautious and always aware that if you do not feel comfortable with a any particular one, to kindly tell them very politely that you would like to think over their advice and get back to them... NEVER let a lawyer take control of YOUR DECISION making ability, or scare you like an insurance salesman...

It would be interesting to know from a lawyer's point of view, what the legal interpretation is first. Oddly that seemed to be missing, and also I am not sure what it is like over there, but don't pay anything up front to any lawyer when you are just sharing your information and asking what they can do for YOU. Treat them like any other business man who WANTS YOUR BUSINESS... Over here lawyers make people roll over and bark like circus animals and pay them to just look at them... (why... I don't know... but I think it must be part of their training, which is keeping secrets, and enriching themselves...) None the less you at least need to know what is going on from their point of view... (not that you have to agree...)

Please keep us posted...

Hi dear sigma6, they don't give us time to ask lawyers. They just want us to move out very quickly by force. Our contract is legal one, but they said it was illegal.


When the last group of brothers and sisters to leave from the 3rd branch were stopped by government representatives and asked to sign a contract termination agreement. This agreement was not drafted by us. The main content is that, “both parties have discussed and reached the agreement. The Second Home is willing to cancel the lease contract without getting any compensation.” This is ridiculous, as we are being forced to leave our home, how is possible we want to leave our home voluntarily? However, they did not allow our brothers and sisters to leave when the agreement was not signed. Our answer was, “We refuse to sign the agreement if we are not compensated ¥4,000,000 RMB for a property into which we had invested a value of double that amount. Besides, what is point in asking us to terminate a contract which you have always insisted is illegal and invalid anyway? If you want to force us to sign the agreement, do you believe that I (one community representative) will knock my head against the wall and die in front of you?”.

~ " Forty Brothers and Sisters Withdrew From the 3rd Branch Safely Today" on Nov 19, 2013

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6571&extra=page%3D1

Now we are using every minute and every second to protect our lives and our community. I'm now still using generator to publish the news here, but I don't know whether my physical body is fine or not tomorrow.

We live every day as the last day now. The local governments won't help us for they just try their best to dismiss us. The only thing we can do is to protect our lives and wait for the final decisions of Chinese central governments. May God bless us.

Excellent reasoning, you are correct to deduce the contract is valid, this party is obviously aware of the legal implications of what they are doing. btw avoid the idea of refusing, what you are doing is perfectly legitimate and correct. It's called a counter offer. Absolutely ACCEPT their offer (legally this shows good faith...) ACCEPT their offer on the condition of that it is done in exchange for 4,000,000 RMB. That way if it every gets to a court. It is not YOU who is REFUSING. This will put the other party in DISHONOUR in a court setting. I have a feeling the Chinese court is based on commerce and contract as well. It would be good to show a ledger or record of all the monies paid and work done. Hopefully your leader or someone wise has kept a record, a journal or a history of this. I wish you well in your goal.

On a separate and more personal note... I also agree with Grip, many groups that share esoteric belief systems, even though they are very well financed and practiced world wide, they have learned from experience to keep some things private, if only to protect it and themselves. At the very least you may want to practice discretion. There is no need to put yourself into the range of an opponent's attack, unnecessarily. I believe it says somewhere in the bible it is good to be a live dog then a dead lion. I am sure this is in many faiths too.

panopticon
17th December 2013, 03:11
More on the situation from Lifechanyuan (Xuefeng has said in the thread (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6661) this was posted in that they have hired lawyers to represent them in the court system):

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Be Careful of the Local Government Plots (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6661)
By Xuefeng. 16th December, 2013.
(Translated by Ailian)

In recent years, in order to eliminate the Second Home, the local government has done everything possible to collect evidence in an attempt to show that we are a cult or illegal organization. In last year, more than three hundred and fifty police officers have visited our community to carry out investigations and searches. They did not find evidence that the Second Home has done anything illegal or committed any criminal activities. Also, we never opposed the government or the Communist Party, or national leaders and we never damaged the environment, created social disorder or harmed the interests of the country. Therefore, they were unable to show that we are a cult or illegal organization.

After finding no criminal behaviours to convict us of, the local government instigated local villagers attack us. They forced the party with whom we signed the contract to terminate the contract by using several kinds of excuses. The local government has pressured us by threat, intimidation, temptation, rumour, all in the name of carrying out their responsibilities, and they dispatched manygovernment departments. Meanwhile, they also mobilised secret police from the security ministry of Linzhou City in Henan province, where many of our members come from to come to our community and attempt to force our members to leave by using threats. Their purpose is to drive us away from Yunnan province by doing everything possible.

We originally decided to dissolve our community as a result of this huge pressure. However, the local government did not give us a reasonable time to carry out their orders. On the contrary, they ordered us to move out within six days. This is inhuman and pushes us too far. Therefore, we decided not to disband.

So what the government will do next?

They will persuade and force local villagers and outlaws to come and attack us.
They will use government departments such as the forestry public security bureau and state land administration bureau come to tear our houses down or impose fines by coming up with excuses.
They will look for reasons to call us a cult or illegal organization.
They will attempt to assassinate us.


An unfeeling and unreasonable government can do all kinds of bad things. People around the world please continuously watch the development of this issue.

Source (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6661)

Agape
17th December 2013, 03:15
I agree with you Agape.

If you noticed I was asking direct questions as to how this present course of action was reconciled against the Values as described by Xue Feng in relation to his guidance on Life Style for Chanyuan Celestials which I admired so much.

It has nothing to do with my beliefs or thoughts on appropriate action, which I view Xue Feng is doing btw, but rather how this course of action is being reconciled against such strict guidelines in relation to non-resistance as directed by Xue Feng in his guidelines as community leader.

It is very easy for a group to say "We shall not resist, we shall always do what we are directed to do" and then say "We shall resist passively" when situations turn against them. What I am asking is how, and if, this change is being explained/justified internally.

Oh, and don't forget that part of lifechanyuan is the integration of Mao Zedong's teachings. That's clearly stated by Xue Feng here (lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=3080).

-- Pan


You know .. Tao is said to be like a Water .. it flows where it's needed the most . People aspire to stand at high places and attain perfection ..
at the end they discover that perfection and standing at high places are transient in human world .

So also leaders can't hope that their orders will be followed unless they're adjustable to circumstances. Tao respects the laws of Nature, so does wise man .

Personally, I understand resistance is as natural as our biological and also mental immunity .
Without immunity system we would be eaten by microbes in no time because this is Planet Earth. This is not the Heaven and can't be practically changed to it without really sophisticated methods .

Many subconscious, unwilling human ( but also animal , not to speak about plants ) reactions actually happen due to allergens in the environment , including natural environment .

I really admire XueFeng's noble idea but he's starting to look as alien to mankind as I do in his statements .

The best chance he can win is that the central government will call him a cook and let him go .

Maybe they will start smiling after all .

Any spiritual path followed to extreme ends in a trench . It's sort of like wanting to follow the Bodhisattva precepts to the point when you go to the streets and give all you have to beggars , homeless etc., that's suppose your country does have them, if not find one with real needy people , they'll take all you have till you end up among them stark naked .
It's considered an extreme approach by most people who say it's better to develop strategy on how to take care of the needy people and stay in good health .

I value freedom a lot, freedom of mind first of all, freedom to leave things behind included .

Perhaps they could board that long train to Tibet and find a municipal council that would actually allow them to establish such community .


I'd also advice them all to leave Mao'tze and that very destructive period of human history behind without pretence . To leave all pretences behind is more difficult than to assimilate them .

It's like..if you really want to reach Stars you need to leave those earthly personalities and admiration to them aside . Governments and such things are mostly of no use up there so why giving them so much attention down here either .


Wishing them safe journey ..


:angel:

panopticon
17th December 2013, 03:25
You know .. Tao is said to be like a Water .. it flows where it's needed the most . People aspire to stand at high places and attain perfection ..
at the end they discover that perfection and standing at high places are transient in human world .

So also leaders can't hope that their orders will be followed unless they're adjustable to circumstances. Tao respects the laws of Nature, so does wise man .

Personally, I understand resistance is as natural as our biological and also mental immunity .
Without immunity system we would be eaten by microbes in no time because this is Planet Earth. This is not the Heaven and can't be practically changed to it without really sophisticated methods .

Many subconscious, unwilling human ( but also animal , not to speak about plants ) reactions actually happen due to allergens in the environment , including natural environment .

I really admire XueFeng's noble idea but he's starting to look as alien to mankind as I do in his statements .

The best chance he can win is that the central government will call him a cook and let him go .

Maybe they will start smiling after all .

Any spiritual path followed to extreme ends in a trench . It's sort of like wanting to follow the Bodhisattva precepts to the point when you go to the streets and give all you have to beggars , homeless etc., that's suppose your country does have them, if not find one with real needy people , they'll take all you have till you end up among them stark naked .
It's considered an extreme approach by most people who say it's better to develop strategy on how to take care of the needy people and stay in good health .

I value freedom a lot, freedom of mind first of all, freedom to leave things behind included .

Perhaps they could board that long train to Tibet and find a municipal council that would actually allow them to establish such community .

I'd also advice them all to leave Mao'tze and that very destructive period of human history behind without pretence . To leave all pretences behind is more difficult than to assimilate them .

It's like..if you really want to reach Stars you need to leave those earthly personalities and admiration to them aside . Governments and such things are mostly of no use up there so why giving them so much attention down here either .

Wishing them safe journey ..


Well said Agape, well said. :clap2:

xidaijena
17th December 2013, 04:50
While I admire Xue Feng's decision I do not understand how this follows his own directions:


I'll be interested in what xidai says, but my guess is that xuefeng's allegiance and commitment is with the "pure" government ideal, and not the local corrupt guys who are not representing that ideal in a way that can be respected.

I think that one cannot have a firm grasp of the tao and not understand that sometimes you have to kick some ass :)

Your guess is so right, dear brother Anchor. You understood us very much now. Hugs.

xidaijena
17th December 2013, 05:01
Xidaijena

Have you made an official press release about this matter ?

N

We had contacted many, but till now there's no response from them. The reporter of AFP spent 3 days in our community and left today, he thought our community is a very special place and really hoped we can continue this new life style. He will ask his editor about whether he can report our community.

xidaijena
17th December 2013, 05:22
Having Read some posts here, but I'm uploading pics and looking for more lawyers to come to our community.

Share some beautiful pics here, it was snowing yesterday. It's very unusual in Yunnan Province. It was also my first time to see such amazing snow scenes in my 24 years on Mother Earth.

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/16/2150304tac2t2nhncaahtm.jpg

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Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6662

xidaijena
17th December 2013, 05:25
http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/16/220518iwxgpxmlghmhaicj.jpg

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Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6662

xidaijena
17th December 2013, 09:15
The Local Government Broke Their Word and Pushed Us Too Far

Xuefeng

15th December, 2013

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/17/160405o5meob4gplexda5b.jpg

The disbandment measure carried out by the local government is itself illegal. What they did is inhuman. Considering the life safety of all the brothers and sisters, we had agreed to disband and we had asked local government to give us some time and reasonable compensation. However, today the landlord of Fenghuang Xia, which is part of the first branch in Anning city, informed us that they are going to terminate the contract with us. Moreover, they want us to leave on twentieth of this month and they will take the land back on the twenty first and start operating it then. Previously, the landlord had requested that we leave by the thirtieth of January, which is Chinese New Year's eve, the grandest festival in China, however the local government changed the date to the twentieth of this month. They have pushed us too far!

We have to leave within six days, they are backing us into a dead corner!

We are being given absolutely no pullback!

Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6659&page=1&extra=#pid21867

xidaijena
17th December 2013, 09:17
The Solemn Declaration: the Second Home is Not Going to Disband

Xuefeng

16th December, 2013

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/17/160326en0z4feydtasetsa.jpg

The local government wants to disband us, and previously, considering the life safety of all the brothers and sisters, and one of Lifechanyuan values that is always cooperating with the government, we decided to voluntarily disband our community of around 150 people. Before voluntary dissolution we requested the local government to give us some time and reasonable compensation.

However, the local government did not give us enough time to leave. On the contrary, they asked us to move out within six days. It is impossible for any group to move out within six days, even ants and bees, I am afraid they could not move within such a short time.

It is apparent that either the local government is inhuman or they are telling us in another way that we can stay.

Is it necessary to closely cooperate with a local government that is inhuman? To closely cooperate with the inhuman government, we ourselves would become inhuman and evil.

The behind the scenes mastermind of the persecution we have been suffering is the local government. All the things we have endured, such as vandalized roads, cut off power and water source, a pulled down fence, torn down gate, a crowd which attacked us, damaging our solar panel, and finally forcing the party with whom we signed our rental contract with to terminate the contract with us were all backed in secret by the local government. Such a government which uses violence has lost its status as a government, and has become little more than a local mafia group.

Therefore, I solemnly declare that the Second Home is not going to disband.

Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6660&page=1&extra=#pid21875

Realeyes
17th December 2013, 09:30
Dear Jena,

Thank you for uploading your beautiful photos of your community playing in the snow joyfully – kudos to you all, what grace you hold within your hearts despite the developing circumstances you are being presently challenged with. Your community spirit is really quite extraordinary and an inspirational example of unconditional love walking in motion. I do so hope your community’s story is published in the media far and wide around the world.

I live in the northern hemisphere so snow is common here, where generally people perceive snow as an inconvenience where the tick-tock of the rat race machine has to halt as Mother Nature reminds us to slow down, to reflect inwardly and dream a bigger Dream.

Metaphorically speaking I see snow as a heavenly blessing. Every single snowflake is unique, glistening in its sacred uniqueness like a heavenly blessing white blanketing the land with pure love and healing – Each snowflake is a living reminder mirroring the infinite quantum potentials of the Great Void/Source/ISness/God.

Jena, I know you are very busy, yet I wonder if you have had time to contact Sonia Poulton from ‘The People’s Voice’ about what is happening to your community? I am sure she would be most interested to hear from you, she can be contacted via email directly from her website http://soniapoulton.co.uk/ and does a daily broadcast show about what is happening currently around the world in regards to injustices happening to good people who are being trodden down by the ruling establishments. Another way to grab her attention would be to phone in ‘live’ during one of her shows http://www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/ a number of people have already done this where she has asked them to email her with more details so she can include the topic in greater detail in another show.

Your community remains in my focused prayers.

May God speed you all with enlightened wise foresight, inspiration and compassion that will assist you to overcome these present challenges and continue (wherever that may be) shining your light.


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http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/photos/w031224a130.jpg

http://sevaeunplugged.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/snowflake.jpg

The Future as I see it, is about a spiritually awakened Humanity thriving with love in their hearts and souls, joyfully celebrating and supporting each and everyone's Uniqueness.

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transiten
17th December 2013, 10:46
xidaijena, I'm not posting much these days but i'm thinking of you and your struggle for freedom.

I'm going home for Christmas - a Green one - normally it's snow in Sweden this time of the year but the global changes due to our whole Galaxy entering an area with higher particledensitiy for 2000 years will as i've understood it bring about deep changes within the Source/Torsion/Unified/Matrix Field.

I wish You and your Community a Happy New Timeline whatever tribulations you together with many pple on planet Earth are going through at the moment:grouphug:

panopticon
18th December 2013, 05:19
For those who are following this I came across the following on the Lifechanyuan website from Xuefeng.

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I Want to Ask Nine Questions to Yunnan Provincial Government (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6666)
By Xuefeng (Translated by Conglong) December 16th, 2013


Have the following behaviours violated Chinese laws?
Damage the road, cut power and telephone cables, damage water pipes, push down fencing wall, disassemble the gate of a private property, forcibly grab personal cellphone, damage solar panel, harass people at night, and besiege a group of civilians? If yes, why don’t you take action?

Is Yunnan an independent kingdom? Do central government’s policy and guiding principles not applied to Yunnan? If yes, why local government does not follow them?

Should the government be involved in the contracts between Chinese citizens? If not, why you government want to force our landlords to terminate lease contract with us?

You have practised forced disbandment, which has violated the article 37 of Chinese Constitution –The freedom of citizens of the People's Republic of China is inviolable.
Do you not understand the law? If yes, why you knowingly violate the law?

You have forcibly installed a software in our computers, has this behaviour violated the humans’ communication freedom granted by Human Rights Act of the U.N and Chinese Constitution? Please give us an explanation.

In front of a group of lawful citizen, you have alternated among intimidation, threat, temptation, and lies. Do you think “Might is right”?

Central Chinese government is advocating that government should adhere to the philosophy of people-oriented, so what philosophy do you adhere to?

Why you do not present any written document when you carry out the disbandment plan? You have come to our community to investigate and collect evidence, why you did not allow us to take photos? Why you did not present your work ID and relevant documents?

You have come to reclaim the lands which are still under contracts in the name of land expropriation, so why you do not present any official documents until now?


Source (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6666)

xidaijena
18th December 2013, 09:20
These days, Guide Xuefeng wrote some articles about challenging the corrupt governments. Tomorrow there will come 3 lawyers to our community. Last night, one of our sisters searched the info about the vice governor of Yunnan Province, she recognized it was the man who called Ding shaoxiang that asked her about many questions of the disbanding of our community on Jan 8, 2013. Guide Xuefeng wrote a new articles today to declare that this guy has a very important bearing on all those unhappy things to our community. And just now, our waterpipe was cut off into 34 pieces by them. I think they are very angry now. We are still doing some translations about the new articles.

Thank you for your kind words, dear sister Realeyes, no, these days we chatted with Tom (who is the Beijing-based report for AFP), we hope he can help us to public the event of our community. So I didn't write to ‘The People’s Voice’ , I will do it these days. It's really not very easy for me to write well in English, but I will try. Yes, from the beauty of snowflake, I can tell God's love is with us all the time. This is why all of us are full of gratitude though facing such a difficulty in the freezing winter.


The Future as I see it, is about a spiritually awakened Humanity thriving with love in their hearts and souls, joyfully celebrating and supporting each and everyone's Uniqueness.

It is, and we call it as Lifechanyuan Era. The pics are very amaizng and beautiful.



but the global changes due to our whole Galaxy entering an area with higher particledensitiy for 2000 years will as i've understood it bring about deep changes within the Source/Torsion/Unified/Matrix Field.

I wish You and your Community a Happy New Timeline whatever tribulations you together with many pple on planet Earth are going through at the moment:grouphug:

Hi dear transiten, thank you for your kind mental support to me and our community, we can feel that. I think so, too, especially when seeing those dark forces in China. They are very powerful. When communicating with those lawyers and media people, I feel shocked that it is common in China. I really hope the peaceful new era will come soon. Thank you for your nice wishes, I guess this New Year will be very important in my lifetime.

Thank you for updating our news, dear Pan. They broke our waterpipe again this afternoon. And tonight I will be on duty to protect our community with a brother. Hugs to all of you here. :grouphug:

Bubu
18th December 2013, 10:40
The Noah's Ark for 2012 is Lifechanyuan !The founder of Lifechanyuan is Guider Xuefeng who is the messenger of the Greatest Creator(God), and the incarnation of Jesus Christ and Baddha Sakyamuni. He came here to gather the ripen crops...


Why we shall believe in Mr Xuefeng ?

Because Guide Xuefeng is the only one who can truthfully explains the origin of the universe, the mystery of LIFE, and the true meaning of life by the integration of Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, and Buddhism, Taoism, science, Mao Zedong thought ; He is the only one who can show the view of 36-dimension space,especially the real vision of the perfect Thousand-year world, the immortal Ten-thousand-year world and Buddha-the Elysium World to human beings based on the interpretation of Time, Space and direct a bright and wonderful future for human beings. He is the messenger of the Greatest Creator and an angel sent by Jesus Chirst to harvest the ripe crops at the end of the world...


what you are advertising is you have a cult who's owner is God-s right hand angel and he's coming to kill his followers and take them away...[/QUOTE]

After reading through my conclusion is: The village is deliberately created to be destroyed and possibly make money from it too. This is how the cabal operates. Your leader has connections all the way to the controllers of earth humans. It's not just the local government. Why would they do it? Well you see alternative community is on the rise, so what will happen if this became the taboo? The cabal loose control. Thus they create a community and destroy it to serve as warning to others. The quote above clearly shows what kind of leader you have, since it is very clear that only a swindler can make such an extravagant claim. My heart goes out to the victims (community) of Lifechanyuan village. I have shared your flight and ask friends to share it as well. Sincerely hoping that your community makes it through, to show that alternative communities can survive such attacks but it can only be possible with the help of millions of people. Thus I am asking fellow avalonians to support the cause of this village. People in this village are victims just like you and me.

Jena please look into your leader, he is the culprit he is using you and your community.

Bubu
18th December 2013, 11:03
did your leader tell you to post this and ask help from alternative forum like avalon? I bet he did because we (AC) is the primary target of this scare and they wanna make sure that we see it.

panopticon
18th December 2013, 11:18
did your leader tell you to post this and ask help from alternative forum like avalon? I bet he did because we (AC) is the primary target of this scare and they wanna make sure that we see it.

G'day Bubu,

Jena has been a member here for quite a while and posted about her community from time to time long before their recent "difficulties".

It seems natural to me that as her community is being systematically targeted by the State she would ask us, as a community, for assistance/advice.

The purpose of this thread, as I understand it anyway, is to up-date on what is happening and ask for any thoughts/ideas on how they should proceed. Admittedly, much of the advice given hasn't been viewed as appropriate but that is understandable given they have a particular vision and are trying to stay on target with that vision.

Please refer to Bill's post earlier in this thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65982-Crazy-China--Forty-People-Broke-into-the-4th-Branch-of-Our-Community-Without-Any-Lawful-Documents-&p=766689&viewfull=1#post766689).

-- Pan

Milneman
18th December 2013, 11:26
Not good. Not good at all.

Bottom line peeps: if we can't be on the ground, we need to start praying and/or sending whatever good stuff we can over there.

Jena: get the children out of there to somewhere safe, and do it soon. Please.

Anchor
18th December 2013, 13:39
> we need to start praying and/or sending whatever good stuff we can over there.

Certainly - if you didn't start already start now. If you did keep going :)

Keep doing what you do, "sending" "praying" "focused intent" "envisioning" whatever you want to call it or whatever method - whatever it is you "do" keep doing it.

xidaijena
19th December 2013, 03:32
did your leader tell you to post this and ask help from alternative forum like avalon? I bet he did because we (AC) is the primary target of this scare and they wanna make sure that we see it.

No, he didn't know this until I told him. We spread much more info on Chinese forums. But only few Chinese people are brave enough to share their thoughts. Why I post here is just to share what happened and are happening in our community, and hope more people will know the true situation in our community.

In my opinion, I also want to know more about God's love from all of you here. All Your kind mental supports are very important for us to comtinue our mission in the new era. Our hearts feel disappointed when seeing the indifference of many Chinese people.

Yesterday, after Guide Xuefeng wrote a new article which was declared that Ding Shaoxiang, vice governor Yunnan Provincial People’s Government, has led the disbandment of the Second Home, our 3 Chinese websites were blocked in the night. Now we are all using special tools to spread Chinese articles.

So we just hope you will know me or our community before we are disappeared on Mother Earth.:p

xidaijena
19th December 2013, 04:02
[QUOTE=Rocky_Shorz;768060]After reading through my conclusion is: The village is deliberately created to be destroyed and possibly make money from it too. This is how the cabal operates. Your leader has connections all the way to the controllers of earth humans. It's not just the local government. Why would they do it? Well you see alternative community is on the rise, so what will happen if this became the taboo? The cabal loose control. Thus they create a community and destroy it to serve as warning to others. The quote above clearly shows what kind of leader you have, since it is very clear that only a swindler can make such an extravagant claim. My heart goes out to the victims (community) of Lifechanyuan village. I have shared your flight and ask friends to share it as well. Sincerely hoping that your community makes it through, to show that alternative communities can survive such attacks but it can only be possible with the help of millions of people. Thus I am asking fellow avalonians to support the cause of this village. People in this village are victims just like you and me.

Jena please look into your leader, he is the culprit he is using you and your community.

It's the desicion of Yunnan Provincial People’s Government. The reason is the one who called Ding Shaoxiang that misused his power to possess our 3rd branch and disband all our community in Yunnan, China. Why? Because he is the vice governor of Yunnan Provincial People’s Government. I didn't believe it until yesterday after Guide Xuefeng declared that it was him who has led the disbandment of our community, our 3 Chinese webiste were suddenly blocked in China at the same time in the night.

All articles are in Chinese, our sisters are translating now. Hope some of you here can read a little Chinese. I want to share two important Chinese articles with you first:


This is the info of Ding Shaoxiang on Baidu.

http://baike.baidu.com/subview/2184641/9086613.htm?fromId=2184641&from=rdtself

This is the dialogue with our sister —Yixian and Ding Shaoxiang on Jan 8, 2013 in the 3rd branch of our community. From the dialogue, we can tell he had already planned to disband us very early.

"今天与来访人员的聊天简要
逸仙草
2013-1-8

将近5点,我在屋里上网,公安人员陪同一群来访者,看到我在房间,就与我聊天,那位与我聊天的老者非常和蔼亲切,像长辈关心晚辈一样的问话。

问:你的杯子里泡的什么?
答:罗汉果。
说:看来你们的罗汉果种植成功了啊。
答:是的。
问:你们导游允许你们上其他网站吗?
答:导游不管这些,百度一下想上什么网站就上什么网站。
问:你来多久了?
答:这里1年多。
问:之前呢?都在哪里?
答:我是第二家园刚开始没多久就来了。
问:你是怎么找到生命禅院的?
答:通过网络。因为找一些解决家庭烦恼的资料,偶然间找到的。
问:你家里还有什么人?
答:我离婚了,女儿跟前夫。
问:没想过带女儿来家园?
答:想过,但前夫对女儿看得很重,我要带女儿走他会做出极端的事。
问:你离婚了就没想过再组成一个家庭?
答:不想,已经知道婚姻家庭是怎么样了。
说:人总归要有一个家的。
答:这里就是一个大家庭啊,比一般的小家庭好多了。
说:你们把这里当成一个大家庭了,那就是说只要把家园建好了你们就好了。
答:是的。
问:来了之后回去过吗?
答:回去过两次。
问:费用呢?
答:每个人的情况不一样的,如果家里经济条件比较好,就自己负担,如果在家园久了又比较困难家园给,我的是家园给的。
说:不太理解。
答:家园是靠每个禅院草奉献出来的,也就是说每个禅院草对家园的付出大于在家园的获得,家园才能存在发展,不可能总是对家园索取吧。
问:我不是政府的,只是好奇,所以来了解一下,我也想创建一种这样的生活呢。我有一个问题,如果老了生病了怎么办?
答:过这种生活一般很少生病,如果真生病了家园管。
问:你有没有想过,万一政府取缔你们怎么办?
答:不会的,请给我们一个理由。我们一没有给当地的居民带来麻烦,二没有破坏大自然,取缔我们干什么。取缔了第二家园,你们能给我们一个更幸福的生活和生活方式吗?
问:那假如,我是说假如,市里或村里要征用这里的土地,就是说你们不能在这里待了,怎么办?
答:那按程序来,我们住的地方都是租来或买来的,像这里就是买下来的,政府征用土地总有一套程序吧,我们也是政府的公民,总不能因为我们的生活方式与你们不一样说赶就赶吧,政府又不是强盗。(都笑)
问:如果时间久了,发生打架斗殴偷窃的事怎么办?
答:偷窃的事没有过,倒是有一次,一个刚从世俗来家园的禅院草,世俗习气还很重,有次喝了点酒,打了另一禅院草一拳,被导游逐出家园一个月,其他没有了。我们是为了同一个信仰到一起生活的,都是勤劳善良真诚的人, 干嘛要打架偷窃呢。
问:如果政府要了解你们,把你们管理起来,比如说去登记办理居住证什么的,怎么办?
答:我们积极配合。这里的公安和民警经常来调查的。(有人纠正说是了解,笑。)
问:政府也想把你们规范管理,可是没有相应的制度啊。
答:可以制度创新呀,第二家园是新生事物,可以用新的办法管理第二家园啊。
说:好,那就不打扰你了,我们走了,我就是想了解了解。
答:好,有什么想了解的尽管来问啊。

2013-1-8"

Source:http://www.newoasislife.net/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=31788&extra=page%3D1

This is the new article Guide Xuefeng wrote yesterday, he has declared very clealy that it was Ding Shaoxiang who is the vice governor of Yunnan Provincial People’s Government leading all the disbandment of our community.

"云南省副省长丁绍祥与第二家园遭受的迫害有关

雪峰

一个温馨祥和的大家庭,一个中国最大的生态社区,一个共产主义实践社区,一个全球生态社区GEN成员,一个日本木之花社区分支——第二家园,一没有扰乱社会,二没有违法乱纪,三没有犯罪、四没有破坏生态,五没有反 对共产党,六没有反对社会主义,七没有反抗政府,八没有出卖国家和民族利益,为什么连续遭到迫害?为什么被逼出了家园?为什么不法分子断路、断电、断电话线、断水、推倒围墙、拆掉大门、砸坏太阳能热水器、推搡儿童 、聚众围攻、强抢拍照手机、夜晚骚扰就没人敢管?为什么与家园签订合同且一直保持非常良好关系的房东们一个个前来非要跟我们解除合同?且都那么害怕?为什么非要把第二家园兄弟姐妹们遣散逼出云南?为什么能调动河南 省林州市的公安国保积极参与遣散工作?为什么能调动云南地方的公安、国保、森林公安、民政局、计生委、国土资源局、城建局、村委会等部门给我们全面施压?为什么为了遣散我们竟敢使用威胁、恐吓、利诱、编造谎言、逼 迫等违法和不人道的方式?为什么说政府要征用我们合同租用的土地而迟迟不出示政府文件?为什么政府工作人员来调查不出示文件和身份证件?为什么不让我们拍照?为什么就这么肆无忌惮?

谁有这么大的胆量和能耐敢于藐视宪法和法律,敢于藐视习主席的指示和中央的改革开放大政方针?

我们不得不说,这一切与云南省副省长丁绍祥有关。

丁绍祥于2013年1月8日在云南省公安厅一位处长和其他警员及楚雄市公安人员的陪同下来第二家园在楚雄市的三分院一趟,说他“不是政府的,只是好奇,想了解了解。”

在这次“想了解了解”的谈话中,他问过两个问题,1、“万一政府取缔你们怎么办?”2、“假如,市里或村里要征用这里的土地,就是说你们不能在这里待了,怎么办?”

事情很明白,今天家园遭受的迫害与丁绍祥的这次“了解”有关,楚雄市的三分院遭到了“政府征用土地”被逼出家园的结局,安宁市和临沧市的另外两个分院遭到了正在实施遣散的结局,这是早已谋划好的。

哪干嘛非要跟第二家园过不去?干嘛非要跟一群自食其力勤劳善良的国家公民过不去?

这恐怕与楚雄市的声誉有关系。

2012年6月13日,在楚雄市副市长和公安局副局长的带领下,100多公安干警和十几位楚雄市政府部门人员突然围住了三分院,三部摄像机同时进行全方位拍摄,理由是,有人举报说我们在进行非法活动,所以来检查, 检查结果,一无所获,结论是“你们是自由的。”

此事我当天晚上写了文章向全社会公告。

本来想“破获一个重大非法组织活动”邀功请赏加官进爵,没想到“偷鸡不着反蚀一把米,”“癞蛤蟆过门槛,既碰屁股又碰脸,”这口恶气怎么出?

有招!

丁绍祥原是楚雄彝族自治州党委书记,且在任六年,现在当了副省长,靠这个强大的关系势力把第二家园消灭掉,就能出这口恶气。

所以,丁绍祥来了。

那么,已经把我们赶出了楚雄市,干嘛不放过安宁市和临沧市的两个分院?因为,第二家园在云南存在一天,干的丑事就无法彻底地遮掩,只有把第二家园从云南全境消灭掉,才可以高枕无忧。

现在清楚了,只要云南省副省长丁绍祥在位一天,对第二家园的迫害就会没完没了,甚至会变本加厉。

但可以肯定的是,对第二家园的迫害越是厉害,丁绍祥倒下的速度会越快。

2013/12/18"

Source:http://www.newoasislife.net/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=32028

xidaijena
19th December 2013, 04:09
Not good. Not good at all.

Bottom line peeps: if we can't be on the ground, we need to start praying and/or sending whatever good stuff we can over there.

Jena: get the children out of there to somewhere safe, and do it soon. Please.

We are doing all the time. We will try all means to protect them.

Good or bad? Only God knows. :p

xidaijena
19th December 2013, 04:10
> we need to start praying and/or sending whatever good stuff we can over there.

Certainly - if you didn't start already start now. If you did keep going :)

Keep doing what you do, "sending" "praying" "focused intent" "envisioning" whatever you want to call it or whatever method - whatever it is you "do" keep doing it.

We're doing it, too. Hugs.

Bubu
19th December 2013, 05:22
did your leader tell you to post this and ask help from alternative forum like avalon? I bet he did because we (AC) is the primary target of this scare and they wanna make sure that we see it.

G'day Bubu,

Jena has been a member here for quite a while and posted about her community from time to time long before their recent "difficulties".

It seems natural to me that as her community is being systematically targeted by the State she would ask us, as a community, for assistance/advice.

The purpose of this thread, as I understand it anyway, is to up-date on what is happening and ask for any thoughts/ideas on how they should proceed. Admittedly, much of the advice given hasn't been viewed as appropriate but that is understandable given they have a particular vision and are trying to stay on target with that vision.

Please refer to Bill's post earlier in this thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65982-Crazy-China--Forty-People-Broke-into-the-4th-Branch-of-Our-Community-Without-Any-Lawful-Documents-&p=766689&viewfull=1#post766689).

-- Pan

Thanks Pan. Saving the village is priority but it's only superficial. first aid if I may there is a deeper matter that needs to be address so that it may not happen again. Stay on target? standard?

How do we create the solution if we do not know the problem.

xidaijena
19th December 2013, 05:26
[Dec 18] One of our Main Water Pipe was cut into 34 Parts

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/19/12573304k0q4kqnel7j4qf.jpg

This afternoon, around 3:30 pm, our branch director and another brother went to check the source of a main water pipe which offers the life water for all members. Then they found the it was destroyed badly by someone, and the pipe was digged out along the road and cut into 34 parts. According to the earth around and the pipes they left, it should be done in this morning or early afternoon.

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/18/215229ec6o2xle0pxp0o4m.jpg

http://2013life.org/new/data/attachment/forum/201312/18/171443tx85ue1m8wi7mlmu.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/18/215352h898bdwrdg9rccmm.jpg

Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6667&page=1&extra=#pid21901

Bubu
19th December 2013, 05:36
And By the way how this act (destroying the community) would benefit Ding Shaoxiang

So it's there happening, what else can we do than to get the people/victims to safety. Pray send something anything we can do. And then we we will be fools not to do something to prevent the cycle of oppression from repeating. The Lesson, If you wanna make an alternative community let it's anchors be on each every member and not on some leader that have an extraordinary extravagant claim. I supposed a loving leader will find joy in loving not in being exalted.

Maybe Blufire is not very far from the truth after all.

xidaijena
19th December 2013, 08:22
The Vice Governor of Yunnan Province, Ding Shaoxiang, is Related to the Event of the Second Home

Xuefeng

(Translated by Conglong)

December 18, 2013

The Second Home of Lifechanyuan - a harmonious big family, the largest ecovillage in China, a community that practises communal way of living, a member of Global Ecovillage Network (GEN), a branch of Konohana Family in Japan,

1. has never done harm to the society
2. has never violated law and discipline
3. has never committed any crimes
4. has never destroyed natural environment
5. has never opposed to Chinese Communist Party
6. has never opposed to socialism
7. has never opposed to Chinese government
8. has never betrayed to the interests of its nation

Why such kind of a community has suffered persecution? Why our people were forced to leave their home? Why nobody dared to intervene when vandals came to damage our road, cut power and telephone cables, damage the water pipe, push down the fencing walls, disassemble the community gate, broke the solar panel, shove children, besiege community members, forcibly grab personal cellphone, and harass us at night? Why our landlords who used to have good relationship with us were so scared and wanted to terminate contracts with us? Why we have to leave Yunnan Province? Why someone can organize the Public Security Bureau and Safeguard Team of Linzhou City, Henan Province come here to carry out the disbandment plan? Why someone can call local Public Security Bureau and its Safeguard Team, Forestry Bureau, City Affairs Bureau, Family Planning Commission, National Land Resource Bureau, City Building Bureau, and Village Committee to give us high pressure? Why people dare to use inhumane means such as threat, intimidation, lies, and force to disband us? Why nobody showed us any official documents while saying this is government expropriation? Why government representatives came to investigate but did not show their work ID? Why we were not allowed to take photos? Why these people act recklessly?

Who are so powerful and bold that ignores Chinese constitution and laws, and ignores the instruction of President Xi Jinping and central government’s policies?

We have to say that this is related to the vice governor of Yunnan Province, Mr. Ding Shaoxiang.

On January 08, 2013, He came to the 3rd branch located at Chuxiong city with the company of a head of Provincial Public Security Department and some other police officers, and said that “I am not from government, I just came to see and know more about your community out of curiosity.”

He asked two questions in the conversation of “knowing more about the community”:

1. What is your community's plan if the government disbands your community?
2. What will you community do if Chuxiong city or the village wants to take the land back?

It is very clear that the persecution is related to that visit of Ding Shaoxiang. The forced disbandment of the 3rd branch, and the current difficulties the other two branches are currently facing have been long planned.

Why local government has to make difficulties for the Second Home and a group of diligent and well behaved citizens?

This could be related to the fame of Chuxiong city.

On June 13, 2012, under the lead of the deputy mayor of Chuxiong city and deputy director of City Public Bureau, 100 police officers and more than a dozen government officers came and besieged the 3rd branch with the excuse that it was reported there were illegal activities. There were three cameras shooting the process of the whole investigation. However, the investigation result was that nothing illegal found, and we were told “You are free.”

I wrote an article announcing the news to the society that night.

They originally expected to get a job promotion by finding and disbanding a big “illegal organization”, but to their surprise, they end up with nothing. So how should they vent their spleen? There is a solution!

Ding Shaoxiong used to be the secretary of the party committee of Chuxiong Yi Autonomous Prefecture for six years, and now he is the vice governor of Yunnan province. If they use this strong power to disband the Second Home, their spleen can be vent. So he came.

They have forced us to leave Chuxiong city successfully, why they still want to disband the other two branches? Because as long as the Second Home exists in Yunnan province for one day, the scandal they did cannot be covered. Only when the Second Home disappears in Yunnan, they can sleep well without anxieties.

Now we know that as long as the vice governor Ding Shaoxiang is still in his position, the persecution will be no end but even more severe. But when it becomes more severe, the day of his resigning will be nearer.

Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6669

xidaijena
20th December 2013, 03:30
Dear Jena,

Thank you for uploading your beautiful photos of your community playing in the snow joyfully – kudos to you all, what grace you hold within your hearts despite the developing circumstances you are being presently challenged with. Your community spirit is really quite extraordinary and an inspirational example of unconditional love walking in motion. I do so hope your community’s story is published in the media far and wide around the world.

I live in the northern hemisphere so snow is common here, where generally people perceive snow as an inconvenience where the tick-tock of the rat race machine has to halt as Mother Nature reminds us to slow down, to reflect inwardly and dream a bigger Dream.

Metaphorically speaking I see snow as a heavenly blessing. Every single snowflake is unique, glistening in its sacred uniqueness like a heavenly blessing white blanketing the land with pure love and healing – Each snowflake is a living reminder mirroring the infinite quantum potentials of the Great Void/Source/ISness/God.

Jena, I know you are very busy, yet I wonder if you have had time to contact Sonia Poulton from ‘The People’s Voice’ about what is happening to your community? I am sure she would be most interested to hear from you, she can be contacted via email directly from her website http://soniapoulton.co.uk/ and does a daily broadcast show about what is happening currently around the world in regards to injustices happening to good people who are being trodden down by the ruling establishments. Another way to grab her attention would be to phone in ‘live’ during one of her shows http://www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/ a number of people have already done this where she has asked them to email her with more details so she can include the topic in greater detail in another show.

Your community remains in my focused prayers.

May God speed you all with enlightened wise foresight, inspiration and compassion that will assist you to overcome these present challenges and continue (wherever that may be) shining your light.


https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXPbIFGQKF1UcmcvdFpTI8BPro6T9BWs_o_PVWbjjcjxOMGwGj

http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/photos/w031224a130.jpg

http://sevaeunplugged.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/snowflake.jpg

The Future as I see it, is about a spiritually awakened Humanity thriving with love in their hearts and souls, joyfully celebrating and supporting each and everyone's Uniqueness.

http://sharememe.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/hd-snowflake-wallpapers-13502-hd-wallpapers.jpg

Hi dear sister, I've contacted Sonia yesterday, and she hoped us to speak with her on her show. I've asked our sisters to contact her soon. May God bless us. Thank you very much. Hugs.

Realeyes
20th December 2013, 08:13
Hi dear sister, I've contacted Sonia yesterday, and she hoped us to speak with her on her show. I've asked our sisters to contact her soon. May God bless us. Thank you very much. Hugs.

Dear Jena, thank you for this update; Sonia (from The Peoples Voice) is a very unconditionally loving compassionate woman and may also be able to suggest some solutions or key people for you to get in contact with. An interview with her will really spread the word around with what challenges your community is facing right now.

Your community has been in my long focus since dawn this morning. I focus that God/Source will guide your community in the best possible ways in these next few days, where you all remain safe and that some solution and extra time is given so this situation can be resolved peacefully for the betterment of all. I pray that the local government leaders awaken this day with a warm and loving open heart with the inspiration of a gentle shepherd's mind seeing clearly the best and fairest direction for the Chinese people to thrive upon China's ancient lands.

xidaijena
20th December 2013, 14:06
Hi dear sister, I've contacted Sonia yesterday, and she hoped us to speak with her on her show. I've asked our sisters to contact her soon. May God bless us. Thank you very much. Hugs.

Dear Jena, thank you for this update; Sonia (from The Peoples Voice) is a very unconditionally loving compassionate woman and may also be able to suggest some solutions or key people for you to get in contact with. An interview with her will really spread the word around with what challenges your community is facing right now.

Your community has been in my long focus since dawn this morning. I focus that God/Source will guide your community in the best possible ways in these next few days, where you all remain safe and that some solution and extra time is given so this situation can be resolved peacefully for the betterment of all. I pray that the local government leaders awaken this day with a warm and loving open heart with the inspiration of a gentle shepherd's mind seeing clearly the best and fairest direction for the Chinese people to thrive upon China's ancient lands.

Oh, dear sister, how kind you are, I really don't know how to express my thanks to you and those who also pray to God for our community now. Though the physical distance between us is a little far, all what you have done to us warms my heart very deeply and make me feel we were already sisters and brothers long time ago. Thank you very much. I will also send my pray and vision about the wonderful future of our community and the new era to God. Hope sister Sonia will know more about about our community in order to help us spread the news.

These days, 3 lawyers talked with us and shared some thoughts on our community. The result is not very optimistic because our contracts in the 3rd and 4th branch are not valid. Engaging in legal proceedings will be a disadvantage to us and need a lot time. However, we will try anyway to protect our community. Guide Xuefeng also decides to write an article about how important our community is to China and all human beings in order to invite more journalists or other media to come to our community. The more people know us, the better our community will be. May God bless us.

Hugs to you, dear sister.

Realeyes
20th December 2013, 14:24
Big hugs and love I send to you too dear sister!

I am posting this beautiful song 'Sweet Harmony' to you and your community.

qlErcSMUtBU

xidaijena
21st December 2013, 04:26
Big hugs and love I send to you too dear sister!

I am posting this beautiful song 'Sweet Harmony' to you and your community.


"Is it right or wrong
Try to find a place
We can all belong?
Be as one
Try to get on by
If we unify?
We should really try...

All this time
Spinning round and round
Made the same mistakes
That we've always found
Surely now
We could move along
Make a better world?
No it can't be wrong

Let's come together
Right now
Oh yeah
In sweet harmony

Let's come together
Right now
Oh yeah
In sweet harmony

Let's come together
Right now
Oh yeah
In sweet harmony

Let's come together
Right now
Oh yeah

Time is running out
Let there be no doubt
We should sort things out
If we care
Like we say we do
Not just empty words
For a week or two

Make the world
Your priority
Try to live your life
Ecologically
Play a part
In a greater scheme
Try to live the dream
On a wider scene

Let's come together
Right now
Oh yeah
In sweet harmony

What a beautiful song, dear sister! I like it very much! Let's come together right now in sweet harmony! I will share it on my website soon, hugs to you!

Rocky_Shorz
22nd December 2013, 02:32
I love the pictures of your village in snow...

now let's bump minds to figure out how to get media attention...

we need a better headline than peaceful farming community is getting picked on by Chinese thugs...

scandals bring attention, but the wrong kind...

religion would get people to glance, but we need something HUuge...

ETs make contact with small farming village in China, they are prepared to interviene to protect the ancient treasure showing Christ and Buddha visited 2000 years ago and will soon return on one of their crafts...

xidaijena
22nd December 2013, 02:37
Hi dear all, I want to ask you a question:

Many of you will have a long holiday during Christmas, right? So if we are now sending e-mails to foreign media, they will see it or reply it after their holidays, right?:p

I really have no idea about the foreign holidays.

xidaijena
22nd December 2013, 02:43
I love the pictures of your village in snow...

now let's bump minds to figure out how to get media attention...

we need a better headline than peaceful farming community is getting picked on by Chinese thugs...

scandals bring attention, but the wrong kind...

religion would get people to glance, but we need something HUuge...

ETs make contact with small farming village in China, they are prepared to interviene to protect the ancient treasure showing Christ and Buddha visited 2000 years ago and will soon return on one of their crafts...

Wow, dear Rocky, we are just think about how to try our best to get media attention now.

This is a new article written by Guide Xuefeng and translated by our sister — Ailian. I'm waiting for Grandpa Kaer to edit:

Invitation to Media, Experts and Scholars Come and Experience the Communism Life

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6672

Or can any of you give us some good advice to get more media attention? Thank you very much. ;)

xidaijena
22nd December 2013, 02:56
This is an example I decide to send e-mails to get media attention.


"Dear ****,

I'm Jena from China. I'm a living member in a communistic community — the Second Home of Lifechanyuan in Yunnan, China for 2 years. All living members here are called as Chanyuan Celestials. And my chanyuan name is Xidai Celestial.

The Second Home is a harmonious big family, the largest ecovillage in China, a community that practises communal way of living, a member of Global Ecovillage Network (GEN), a branch of Konohana Family in Japan.

We have never done harm to the society
We have never violated law and discipline
We have never committed any crimes
We have never destroyed natural environment
We have never opposed to Chinese Communist Party
We have never opposed to socialism
We have never opposed to Chinese government
We have never betrayed to the interests of its nation.

There are one hundred fifty permanent residents in the Second Home. The oldest is eighty-six, and the youngest is five. The majority of the members are females. The Second Home has been existing for four years, and we actually have realized the below wonderful dreams:

1. Let each person do his best and give what he needs.
2. No one pockets anything found on the road, and doors are unbolted at night.
3. No marriage and no nuclear family.
4. Elderly are looked after properly, and children are well brought up.
5. There is no rules or commandments. Paradise management is realized here.
6. The record of criminal, quarrel, and fighting is zero.
7. Money is not needed within the community, and the environment is just like Xanadu.
8. Everyone is worry-free about food, clothing, accommodation, transportation, birth, ageing, sickness, and death.
9. Everybody is happy, joyful, free, and blessed. People rarely get sick.
10. People live in harmony with people, society, and nature.

This is our community's website and two videos made by ourselves, you can have a check to know more:

New Oasis For Life — the Second Home of Lifechanyuan

http://www.the2ndhome.org/2ndhome/Welcome.html

Video 1: Made by me in Aug 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tsxezctz5Y

Video 2: Made by Tongxin Celestial in April 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8THPaIi5Co


Now something bad are happening to us:

Our people were forced to leave our community.

Nobody dared to intervene when vandals came to damage our road, cut power and telephone cables, damage the water pipe, push down the fencing walls, disassemble the community gate, broke the solar panel, shove children, besiege community members, forcibly grab personal cellphone, and harass us at night.

Our landlords who used to have good relationship with us were so scared and wanted to terminate contracts with us.

We have to leave Yunnan Province.

Someone called local Public Security Bureau and its Safeguard Team, Forestry Bureau, City Affairs Bureau, Family Planning Commission, National Land Resource Bureau, City Building Bureau, and Village Committee to give us high pressure.

They use inhumane means such as threat, intimidation, lies, and force to disband us.

Nobody showed us any official documents while saying this is government expropriation.

When government representatives came to investigate, they did not show their work ID.

We were not allowed to take photos. These people act recklessly.

On Dec 17, 2013, we found that the whole event is related to one of the vice governors of Yunnan Province by recognizing his face on internet. On Dec 18, 2013, one of our main water pipes was cut into 34 pieces and our 2 Chinese websites were banned in the night after we announced the name of vice governor online. The websites can only be accessed by using proxy server.

You can see the whole event with pics, videos and articles from this link:

"The Largest Ecovillage in China Suffers A Heavy Blow!'Beautiful China' Becomes Empty Talk?—A community with 150 members is on the verge of disappearing. Bad events are happening in Yunnan, China."

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6647&page=1&extra=#pid21807

Now our beautiful and peaceful community with 150 members is on the verge of disappearing. The governors of Yunnan Province want to disband our community in 3 months. We have asked some Chinese lawyers to get professional advice, but the result isn't very good to us because they say our contracts have many legal loopholes. Engaging in legal proceedings is a disadvantage to us. So now we need more moral supports from media to save our community.

I hope and very appreciate you to give us a chance to share our story on ***** . We value it very much, hope you can help us.

I do love my community very much, may God bless us.

Best wishes and look forward to hearing from you soon.

Jena (Xidai)

I also want to add some of our community's beautiful pics in the e-mail. What do you think of this? Can any of you give me some better advice? Thank you very much!

panopticon
22nd December 2013, 05:29
Jena, I wish you luck.

I'm a tad busy at the moment but here are a couple of sites on how to write a press release:

http://www.australiacouncil.gov.au/resources/reports_and_publications/subjects/marketing/how_to_write_a_press_release_in_one_easy_lesson
https://www.oxfam.org.au/act/diy-campaigning/make-your-mark-in-the-media/writing-a-press-release/
www.huffingtonpost.com/zach-cutler/press-release-tips_b_2120630.html
http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Press-Release

If you are writing for a Western media outlet don't, I repeat don't, use terms like Communism or communistic.

You will probably be ignored straight away with that in the headline/opening sentence.

I'll have a look when I get a bit of time later and see if I can throw something together that will give you an idea of how you might better approach it.

-- Pan

Agape
22nd December 2013, 06:25
Dear Jena ,

I'm going to write this with heavy heart but please don't think I'm unkind. I'm almost certain that someone will help you .


"Dear ****,

I'm Jena from China. I'm a living member in a communistic community — the Second Home of Lifechanyuan in Yunnan, China for 2 years. All living members here are called as Chanyuan Celestials. And my chanyuan name is Xidai Celestial.

The Second Home is a harmonious big family, the largest ecovillage in China, a community that practises communal way of living, a member of Global Ecovillage Network (GEN), a branch of Konohana Family in Japan.

We have never done harm to the society
We have never violated law and discipline
We have never committed any crimes
We have never destroyed natural environment
We have never opposed to Chinese Communist Party
We have never opposed to socialism
We have never opposed to Chinese government
We have never betrayed to the interests of its nation.

There are one hundred fifty permanent residents in the Second Home. The oldest is eighty-six, and the youngest is five. The majority of the members are females. The Second Home has been existing for four years, and we actually have realized the below wonderful dreams:

1. Let each person do his best and give what he needs.
2. No one pockets anything found on the road, and doors are unbolted at night.
3. No marriage and no nuclear family.
4. Elderly are looked after properly, and children are well brought up.
5. There is no rules or commandments. Paradise management is realized here.
6. The record of criminal, quarrel, and fighting is zero.
7. Money is not needed within the community, and the environment is just like Xanadu.
8. Everyone is worry-free about food, clothing, accommodation, transportation, birth, ageing, sickness, and death.
9. Everybody is happy, joyful, free, and blessed. People rarely get sick.
10. People live in harmony with people, society, and nature.




Jena : communistic community is language syllogism , use of 2 words with complete same meaning as a noun and adjective . It is as if you would say ''beautiful beauty'' . It does not add meaning . The word commune means community already .

Secondly , and more importantly and that's what Pan pointed out in previous post ,

there is HUGE problem with acknowledging your HUMAN RIGHTS and RIGHTS OF ALL CHINESE PEOPLE if you continue to claim the following :

We have never opposed to Chinese Communist Party
We have never opposed to socialism
We have never opposed to Chinese government
We have never betrayed to the interests of its nation.


The Communist Party of China is remnant of long gone feudal regimes that demand absolute obeisance . It's NOT ADVANCED DEMOCRATIC REGIME that would grant equal rights and freedoms to its all its citizens .

IT PERSECUTES people WHO EXPRESS FREE THOUGHTS, FREE SPEECH AND FREE WILL .

There is no elected government or other parties in your country that would ensure transition to TRUE DEMO-CRATIC ( PEOPLE-RULE ) SOCIETY.

DEMOCRACY MEANS FREEDOM. Freedom means that you have all the rights of SOVEREIGN HUMAN BEINGS

SUCH AS THOSE STATED IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS CHARTER /1948

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights


This shall be your Bible for now . Your only refuge .


Your government is spreading lies . If you want to be valid member of the broader INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY THAT CONSISTS OF ALL PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD , THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY ,

you must understand that we all had received BAD LESSONS from oppressive governments and regimes

and therefor :

We are not slaves of any country, its government or community and its secular or religious leaders .

No government that suppresses human rights and freedoms and demands obeisance to 'one party, one leader' can be trusted .

We had seen very horrific , tragic events happening all around the world , including your own territory caused by fanatic, nationalistic, and fascist policies starting from total disrespect to human rights ending with holocaust and murders of thousands of unwanted citizens .


If you want to help China become part of this world and not the ONLY NATION on this EARTH you must challenge your government in ways that are PEACEFUL,
courteous but firm . Demand justice and freedom not only for you and your little community but for all people in China who can then live the way they want to live,

FREE OF INDOCTRINATION either secular or religious . With freedom to start your own political and social movements.
Freedom of religions . Freedom of SPEECH. Controllable justice system that respects international LAW.

That all MUST HAPPEN and WILL HAPPEN . ONE DAY OR ANOTHER .

And if you want truly HAPPY CHINA , you have to help it happen .

People don't need communist party or any other party to dictate them what to think, how to talk or what to do.


I'm greatly ashamed of myself for telling you this but you must know.

If you spend some time READING this forum before posting and how other people live , you will understand .

I understand your little community is in danger but the conflict with your GOVERNMENT is on-going . No one from outside can change it if you people can't .


We all here love you and are with you in our prayers . You are beautiful, truthful and noble souls .

But you have to understand and say NO to LIES. We all here fear that any of the global governments are corrupt and may try to manipulate its people with fake ideologies .

As free and sovereign beings we can not afford to have ideologies ruling our lives.


Again, I'm so ashamed to tell you this but I hope some others will explain it better.



With eternal apologies

:pray:

xidaijena
22nd December 2013, 07:43
Jena, I wish you luck.

I'm a tad busy at the moment but here are a couple of sites on how to write a press release:

http://www.australiacouncil.gov.au/resources/reports_and_publications/subjects/marketing/how_to_write_a_press_release_in_one_easy_lesson
https://www.oxfam.org.au/act/diy-campaigning/make-your-mark-in-the-media/writing-a-press-release/
www.huffingtonpost.com/zach-cutler/press-release-tips_b_2120630.html
http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Press-Release

If you are writing for a Western media outlet don't, I repeat don't, use terms like Communism or communistic.

You will probably be ignored straight away with that in the headline/opening sentence.

I'll have a look when I get a bit of time later and see if I can throw something together that will give you an idea of how you might better approach it.

-- Pan

Thank you for your sharing and advice, dear Pan, okay, I will check them now.


If you are writing for a Western media outlet don't, I repeat don't, use terms like Communism or communistic.

I heard this from some friends, okay, we will try to use other words to express our community.


I'll have a look when I get a bit of time later and see if I can throw something together that will give you an idea of how you might better approach it.

Thank you for your great help, hugs to you.

panopticon
22nd December 2013, 08:13
Hello Jena,

Choosing to attempt to use Western media outlets could quickly back fire and force the Central administration to back the provincial one. That having been said, I view that will probably happen anyway.

In relation to presentations to Western media outlets.

Be short and concise and maybe do it in the form of a "press release" or "media release".

Write to your audience. Understand what it is you want to convey and then try to get attention. Your use of language and, as I said earlier, decision to use the terms "Communism" or "communistic" in your correspondence will probably limit attention.

From the beginning the religious elements of your community have been at the forefront of discussions. Please understand that I view this as an error. It makes your group sound like a cult and this will mean that any attention you do receive will follow those lines in presentation (ie "Dangerous Cult In China Stopped By Government" instead of what you want, which would be something like "Small Community Of Women Attacked By Chinese Officials"). The achievements of your communities and organisation should have been promoted first and then religious beliefs mentioned in passing (if at all). I understand that the religious beliefs of your group come first in your minds however it is the achievements that everyone else will look at and to be honest the constant use of terms like "Chanyuan Celestial", "Lifechanyuan" and even "2nd Home" really places a barrier for anyone who has a passing interest in your group.

Also please understand that in many Western countries (especially the USA) communism is viewed as evil so saying that you come from a Communist Utopia, live in a Communistic Community and follow Communist Ideals will win you no favours.

There are heaps of other areas that need improvement but look at what is being written and think "is this necessary to say or is it really only important for me to say?" If the latter, remove it.

Something like this might give you an indication of one approach you could take (though there are a number of other equally valid ways to get media attention):

###

Media Release


Chinese Ecovillages Forced To Close By Government

By Jena Xidai, Sunday 22nd December, 2013.

The largest Ecovillage project in China is being forced to close due to bureaucratic corruption, Government incompentence and local initimidation.

Residents of the 2nd Home Ecovillage project, part of the Global Ecovillage Network (GEN), have been given one weeks notice to vacate with no offers of assistance or compensation from the Government.

Residents are being forced to leave their communities because members of the local Government wish to take back the land. This is despite leases of XX years costing $XXXXXXX and dwellings and extensive infrastructure having been built by the community costing $XXXXXXX.

One hundred and fifty permanent residents are affected, the majority of whom are women up to eighty-six years of age. The 2nd Home communities have existed peacefully with surrounding residents for over four years and received Government co-operation and encouragement over this time. They are now been given one week to vacate their homes and the land they have tended with no reason given by local Government officials.

Land owners are being pressured by local officials and government officers to end the leases early. Attacks on the eco-villages over the last month have varied from damage to property to physical assaults on community members and are rumoured to have been financed by local Government officials. There has been no assistance given to residents to relocate nor any form of compensation for costs incurred by the communities offered.


Contact

For further information please contact:

Jena Xidai (Assistant Administrator).
2nd Home Eco-village Project.
Yunnan Province.
<Insert contact address for written communication>
China.
<Insert email address & phone number>

###

As a means of getting this information taken seriously by interested media outlets start up a website that is just for what the 2nd Home has achieved.

On this new website don't mention the religious beliefs and only focus on what the community has achieved (in particular land reclamation, sustainable farming, community projects, inclusive projects between the 2nd Home and surrounding non-2nd Home residents, permaculture processes, water management, child & elderly care etc).

The Lifechanyuan portal/website doesn't do this and instead focuses on religious belief. While this is fine it really hasn't given your organisation a place to advocate for your community with people who might not agree with you belief's but may agree with your project itself.

Hope this helps.

-- Pan

xidaijena
22nd December 2013, 08:17
Dear Jena ,

I'm going to write this with heavy heart but please don't think I'm unkind. I'm almost certain that someone will help you .

Jena : communistic community is language syllogism , use of 2 words with complete same meaning as a noun and adjective . It is as if you would say ''beautiful beauty'' . It does not add meaning . The word commune means community already .

Secondly , and more importantly and that's what Pan pointed out in previous post ,

there is HUGE problem with acknowledging your HUMAN RIGHTS and RIGHTS OF ALL CHINESE PEOPLE if you continue to claim the following :

We have never opposed to Chinese Communist Party
We have never opposed to socialism
We have never opposed to Chinese government
We have never betrayed to the interests of its nation.


The Communist Party of China is remnant of long gone feudal regimes that demand absolute obeisance . It's NOT ADVANCED DEMOCRATIC REGIME that would grant equal rights and freedoms to its all its citizens .

IT PERSECUTES people WHO EXPRESS FREE THOUGHTS, FREE SPEECH AND FREE WILL .

There is no elected government or other parties in your country that would ensure transition to TRUE DEMO-CRATIC ( PEOPLE-RULE ) SOCIETY.

DEMOCRACY MEANS FREEDOM. Freedom means that you have all the rights of SOVEREIGN HUMAN BEINGS

SUCH AS THOSE STATED IN THE HUMAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS CHARTER /1948

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights


This shall be your Bible for now . Your only refuge .


Your government is spreading lies . If you want to be valid member of the broader INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY THAT CONSISTS OF ALL PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD , THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY ,

you must understand that we all had received BAD LESSONS from oppressive governments and regimes

and therefor :

We are not slaves of any country, its government or community and its secular or religious leaders .

No government that suppresses human rights and freedoms and demands obeisance to 'one party, one leader' can be trusted .

We had seen very horrific , tragic events happening all around the world , including your own territory caused by fanatic, nationalistic, and fascist policies starting from total disrespect to human rights ending with holocaust and murders of thousands of unwanted citizens .


If you want to help China become part of this world and not the ONLY NATION on this EARTH you must challenge your government in ways that are PEACEFUL,
courteous but firm . Demand justice and freedom not only for you and your little community but for all people in China who can then live the way they want to live,

FREE OF INDOCTRINATION either secular or religious . With freedom to start your own political and social movements.
Freedom of religions . Freedom of SPEECH. Controllable justice system that respects international LAW.

That all MUST HAPPEN and WILL HAPPEN . ONE DAY OR ANOTHER .

And if you want truly HAPPY CHINA , you have to help it happen .

People don't need communist party or any other party to dictate them what to think, how to talk or what to do.


I'm greatly ashamed of myself for telling you this but you must know.

If you spend some time READING this forum before posting and how other people live , you will understand .

I understand your little community is in danger but the conflict with your GOVERNMENT is on-going . No one from outside can change it if you people can't .


We all here love you and are with you in our prayers . You are beautiful, truthful and noble souls .

But you have to understand and say NO to LIES. We all here fear that any of the global governments are corrupt and may try to manipulate its people with fake ideologies .

As free and sovereign beings we can not afford to have ideologies ruling our lives.


Again, I'm so ashamed to tell you this but I hope some others will explain it better.



With eternal apologies

:pray:

Thank you for your sincere thoughts, dear Agape. I understand and agree with most of what you said. We call this age as the dark age, and we are all light warriors, right? We are playing games together in this physical world. I believe the light age will come soon.


Again, I'm so ashamed to tell you this but I hope some others will explain it better.

Don't feel so ashamed, dear Agape, you know all those "dark things" are not true, right? ;) Hugs to you. God is watching and protecting us all the time. :hug:

xidaijena
22nd December 2013, 08:39
Hello Jena,

Choosing to attempt to use Western media outlets could quickly back fire and force the Central administration to back the provincial one. That having been said, I view that will probably happen anyway.

In relation to presentations to Western media outlets.

Be short and concise and maybe do it in the form of a "press release" or "media release".

Write to your audience. Understand what it is you want to convey and then try to get attention. Your use of language and, as I said earlier, decision to use the terms "Communism" or "communistic" in your correspondence will probably limit attention.

From the beginning the religious elements of your community have been at the forefront of discussions. Please understand that I view this as an error. It makes your group sound like a cult and this will mean that any attention you do receive will follow those lines in presentation (ie "Dangerous Cult In China Stopped By Government" instead of what you want, which would be something like "Small Community Of Women Attacked By Chinese Officials"). The achievements of your communities and organisation should have been promoted first and then religious beliefs mentioned in passing (if at all). I understand that the religious beliefs of your group come first in your minds however it is the achievements that everyone else will look at and to be honest the constant use of terms like "Chanyuan Celestial", "Lifechanyuan" and even "2nd Home" really places a barrier for anyone who has a passing interest in your group.

Also please understand that in many Western countries (especially the USA) communism is viewed as evil so saying that you come from a Communist Utopia, live in a Communistic Community and follow Communist Ideals will win you no favours.

There are heaps of other areas that need improvement but look at what is being written and think "is this necessary to say or is it really only important for me to say?" If the latter, remove it.

Something like this might give you an indication of one approach you could take (though there are a number of other equally valid ways to get media attention):

###

Media Release


Chinese Ecovillages Forced To Close By Government

By Jena Xidai, Sunday 22nd December, 2013.

The largest Ecovillage project in China is being forced to close due to bureaucratic corruption, Government incompentence and local initimidation.

Residents of the 2nd Home Ecovillage project, part of the Global Ecovillage Network (GEN), have been given one weeks notice to vacate with no offers of assistance or compensation from the Government.

Residents are being forced to leave their communities because members of the local Government wish to take back the land. This is despite leases of XX years costing $XXXXXXX and dwellings and extensive infrastructure having been built by the community costing $XXXXXXX.

One hundred and fifty permanent residents are affected, the majority of whom are women up to eighty-six years of age. The 2nd Home communities have existed peacefully with surrounding residents for over four years and received Government co-operation and encouragement over this time. They are now been given one week to vacate their homes and the land they have tended with no reason given by local Government officials.

Land owners are being pressured by local officials and government officers to end the leases early. Attacks on the eco-villages over the last month have varied from damage to property to physical assaults on community members and are rumoured to have been financed by local Government officials. There has been no assistance given to residents to relocate nor any form of compensation for costs incurred by the communities offered.


Contact

For further information please contact:

Jena Xidai (Assistant Administrator).
2nd Home Eco-village Project.
Yunnan Province.
<Insert contact address for written communication>
China.
<Insert email address & phone number>

###

As a means of getting this information taken seriously by interested media outlets start up a website that is just for what the 2nd Home has achieved.

On this new website don't mention the religious beliefs and only focus on what the community has achieved (in particular land reclamation, sustainable farming, community projects, inclusive projects between the 2nd Home and surrounding non-2nd Home residents, permaculture processes, water management, child & elderly care etc).

The Lifechanyuan portal/website doesn't do this and instead focuses on religious belief. While this is fine it really hasn't given your organisation a place to advocate for your community with people who might not agree with you belief's but may agree with your project itself.

Hope this helps.

-- Pan

You are very cool, dear brother Pan! :rockon: Thank you very much! I will consider more about it. Hugs to you.

Realeyes
22nd December 2013, 09:52
Dear Jena,

What Pan has written is excellent advice, so I am bumping their post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65982-Crazy-China--Forty-People-Broke-into-the-4th-Branch-of-Our-Community-Without-Any-Lawful-Documents-&p=775379&viewfull=1#post775379. Thank you Pan for this intelligent and thoughtful post, you have composed this far better than I would have been able. I agree in all that you have said.

Agape's honest post gives Jena and her community the opportunity to see a bigger over view of how the outside world views Communism.

Jena, your community has been in my focus throughout the last two days. I really feel for your all; you are facing great adversity and unfortunately there is so much more to the bigger picture than any of you have been able to see due to living under a strict government regime that has purposely kept their people ignorant of how the rest of the world operates.

The dream of living peacefully with the land and respecting and celebrating all life is a beautiful dream and one that does exist in the Future. Right now though the majority of world governments do not operate with this dream or intention for their people to spiritually thrive. Countries are seen as a big financial business', a large farm ranch where the people are 'their' products and commodities with calculated rules that promotes the 'business' achieving the greatest profits and power with zero respect for their workforce because it is expendable and easily replaced. Sadly Governments are not interested in people waking up and reconnecting to their soul and spirit, nor living peacefully together on the land mother earth provides for all. It is quite a shock when one realises this, and these agendas are not new to this 21st century, our history books reveal such agendas have suppressed humanity for a very long time. The only government that I see in this present world situation that is actually making new policies that assist their people to thrive is Iceland, yet perhaps even within that there are smoke screens.

These last 30+ years around the world it is becoming clearer that NWO has gathered strength forcing and bullying countries into their 'elite group' where one of the mandates is to cull the population without an afterthought of care. This is heart breaking to see.

When we gaze into someone's eyes, or even an animals eyes we connect to the beauty of their soul and spirit. For those of us who are consciously awakening, such golden moments of engagement touch our hearts and souls. Sitting peacefully among nature watching the insects merrily dance from plant to plant, or watching the auras of trees energetically communicate with wise love to all that is around them are examples of how wonderful life could be.

This timeline may seem very dark... yet it is important to know that everything that is dark and has been hidden in plain sight is now bubbling up to the surface for the populace to see with real eyes how the agendas serve only the few while the rest slave and suffer. This is the timeline where people wake up, where they realise this is not how Earth intended us to live, there is a better way that promotes evolution of our species. We are living in bumpy times as the old regimes start to crumble and lose their tight grip upon humanity. Every single person on this Earth who sees the greater dream will take the small steps in their own way not to comply with any agenda that promotes suffering upon another for the sake of profit. We have to remain focused, with unconditional love in our hearts knowing these are the birthing pains that eventually brings about great change for the betterment of humanity.

As I see it, we as humanity have to understand how the chess moves work; only then do we see the bigger picture and how with foresighted little steps bring about change, like a small pebble in a still pond that then gently ripples outward to all shores.

Humanity deserves to be allowed to live a simple life living in harmony upon Earth's lands where we all celebrate and support each others uniqueness. Everyone deserves a roof over their heads, warmth and food and love - it all seems such a simple request, yet so many gentle folk around this world do not have such comforts.

I do not have the solutions or insights as to how we arrive to this betterment, yet understand the power of collective thought and people all around the world want a similar change, so at some point we will arrive at this destination..... this conscious march is gathering momentum. We are living in a pivotal Time where the courageous souls who persevered holding a light in this darkness with such a future focus are remembered in history, they were the torch bearers of a collective conscious wave that brought about change for the betterment of all. A New Conscious Dawn is in the process of arriving....

Pan's sound advice if you heed it will certainly get a better response from the media allowing your story to be told.

Godspeed you Jena and your community. :hug::grouphug:

Anchor
22nd December 2013, 11:35
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It makes your group sound like a cult and this will mean that any attention you do receive will follow those lines in presentation (ie "Dangerous Cult In China Stopped By Government" instead of what you want, which would be something like "Small Community Of Women Attacked By Chinese Officials").
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You are hired!

Nice job. I love it when we get to use all that spin doctoring stuff we learned off the bad guys :) :)

Let the light work in its mysterious ways.

Let the truth be known in the hearts of all people.

Agape
22nd December 2013, 15:07
Thank you for your sincere thoughts, dear Agape. I understand and agree with most of what you said. We call this age as the dark age, and we are all light warriors, right? We are playing games together in this physical world. I believe the light age will come soon.

.....

Don't feel so ashamed, dear Agape, you know all those "dark things" are not true, right? ;) Hugs to you. God is watching and protecting us all the time. :hug:


Dear Jena ,

thank you for your kind words and effort to understand what is really going on , in this world .

I'm telling you it is necessary for all of you, young gifted people especially , to look out of the window of the Chinese - Communist paradigm.

The trick is that most people who actually live in closed and oppressive systems are not aware that the systems and ideologies are deceiving them .

The governments are trying to portray their country and society as 'the best in the world' , 'the best option' and everyone else as 'enemies' who misuse their citizens .

You are perfectly right that nothing is BLACK&WHITE .

Or rather , that where there is light there's also darkness . And we all live in crazy times , crazy human world full of injustice, hurts and selfishism .

That's why .. for all those who want to find peace and enlightenment , dividing corns from the chuff becomes so important . Corns means the truth, the meaningful eatable truth . Chuffs is the indigestible ideologies that can not help any of us at the end .


You say 'it's not all that dark' . From my grown up perspective and what I've seen in my own eyes , around the world .. it's actually much darker than we want to admit to ourselves. In simple terms, it's much WORSE than I thought when I was younger .


I know it's a very sensitive issue to mention ..but I lived in Tibetan Buddhist community in Dharamsala/India for many years and know the situation closely . Till 2008 , there were still many refugees coming through Himalayas to seek political and cultural exile in India and from there,
in many other countries who would accept them .

Many of them are former political prisoners , many died in the Mao labour camps , some who survived and managed to escape can stand a witness to what was and is carried on in what they call 'Tibetan Autonomous Region' ( TAR ) ,
since it was taken over by Chinese liberation army during 1958/59 and subsequent years of 'Culture revolution' are organised by Chairman Mao.

Their troops destroyed thousands of monasteries and settlements like yours, some very ancient , thousand years old monasteries and communities of monks and nuns who lived there in peace without accumulating any wealth for themselves ,
lived humble lives like you and had no weapons to protect themselves . Around 1 million people were killed during these 'clean ups' lasting for many years,
books were burnt , so were villages and monasteries, religious relics were destroyed without mercy.
These people were called 'useless , lazy , and enemies of Chinese republic' who took over their country,
rewrote history books to make everyone believe that Tibet was historical part of China .

The same was done to many other territories surrounding 'the Mainland China' , including remote regions like the Uighurs who are mostly Muslims , the Manchuria,
Taiwan etc etc .

In Tibet, detentions and interrogations of ethnic Tibetans , including children who were then considered ' enemies' and uneducated aborigines simply for missing the right Chinese ethnicity and education and more importantly, willingness to denounce H.H. Dalailama , their monastic vows and their Buddhist education, faith and practise became a norm . Those who went to streets to protest were being collectively detained, sometimes by 100s .

People who managed to escape later , those detained as young children or people and survived various forms of torture, re-education, and labour camps ,
sometimes sneaked out photographs or even 'torture equipments' used on prisoners. The way how this was 'gotten out' is meaningless to point out but I can assure you that the treatments were similar like what you can see from Nazi concentration camps during the WWII.

This all is still happening though in lesser terms ... and yes, we have met some young Chinese friends too who travel abroad and tell what they think,
if you are not 'political' and living peacefully, no one attacks you . Most denied having any idea that anything horrid is going on in their country .


It's the same problem, with many other countries in the World as well. When something really BAD is happening, often people are so terrified of punishment and their government that they close their doors, close their eyes and allow it to happen .


The reason I said 'I'm so ashamed' to tell you this is because you are so innocent . And mean only good . And we are all rather worried about you being so mistreated as many others were in China.

But FEAR IS NOT THE ANSWER .

What is important ... from my point of view .. is getting other Chinese people better informed about the world outside .

For example ..

since all media ( internet ) in China is under control of your government , it would be good to establish international server - webpage , outside of China,
for example with help of your people who live in the US ,

where others like you could connect to and share their thoughts openly WITHOUT FEAR of repercussions .

This way , you could show your big government you want a positive change and not a negative one and that you are many people with many opinions.

It would also show that you are many in number ( because you are ) and are more powerful than you think .

I know this is NOT an immediate solution to your problem but a long standing one , and a plan .


Sorry if not quite fitting any ideology but I'm not part of any political or social movement, never were and never will be .

I'd be the happiest to witness dissolution of all human made borders, suppressive regimes, cessation of wars , crimes , things like passports, nationalities , compulsory visas and so on.

This is something that won't happen for long yet . Because this is planet Earth .


End of Discourse


:hug:

xidaijena
23rd December 2013, 08:04
What a long and detailed sharing, dear Agape.:hug:

I really feel a little angry with English which is too simple to reply very quickly and accurately about my true thoughts. Reading English is okay for me but replying is very difficult. :frusty:

So dear all those who give me and my community lots of differents kinds of supports, please forgive me that I can only use very simple English to briefly express my thanks and love to of you here.

Quote Brother Gio's words:

"Know that we do (and will continue to) communicate telepathically, for words do not justifiably transmit the real communing between us..."

Thank you all my dear sisters and brothers here. Praide God. Love & Hugs. :grouphug:

xidaijena
23rd December 2013, 09:09
Update our news here:

Dec 20, 2013

The 4th branch:

The viewpoints from Lawyers are as follows:

According to China’s rural land laws, all construction conversions and new constructions on land need to get allowances fromthe proper government departments. Therefore, a large number of the community buildings are unauthorised constructions. Meanwhile, according to their experience, even if we had applied for the approval before building these houses, it would have been very difficult to get the approval.

The lease contracts of the 3rd and the 4th branches are not perfect because they did not avoid certain lawful risks and theyhave some loopholes.The lands are rented from landlords who rent the land from the local village. According to China’s rural land laws, sublease contracts need to get the approval of the local village committee and must have the public stamp on it. We were not informed ofthis rule when we signed the contracts and the landlords did not tell us either.

Regarding the decision letter from Lincang Forestry Bureau and disturbance from local villagers:

• We can apply for an administrative reconsideration.
• Our community is not in the Chinese management system as a social group.
• We can go to the people’s procuratorates to sue the local Public Security Bureau if they fail to do their jobs when receiving crime reports.
• They can help us to apply for a legal mediation if necessary.

The 1st branch:

Some government agents went to the 1st branch to conduct face-to-face interrogations with each member again.

Dec 21, 2013

We decided that we will not apply for a legal mediation. Rather, we will invite the national and international media, along withscholars and experts who do research on human and social studies, and all people with lofty ideals, to come to experience, observe, research, and explore this utopian community life of the Second Home.

Xuefeng wrote articles:

Invitation to Media, Experts and Scholars Come and Experience the Utopian Community Life of the Second Home (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6672)

Dec 22,2013

Xuefeng wrote an article:

Invitation of Participating in the largest Project in Human’s History (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6674)

We will invite millionaires and billionaires all over the world to join this largest project in human's history, contribute to keeping and developing this new life mode created and practiced by Lifechanyuan.

So we are now sending e-mails to media and the rich all over the world. This is another game for us to play now. Though I don't know what the result will be, I believe the coming year 0f 2014 will be an important year in my lifetime.


Share some beautiful pics about all our communities with you here:

The 1st Branch of the Second Home

BEFORE

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/1545396y16j41neoe0z9zr.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/15464983as2msm6u2kanrd.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/154720p1azpaax1dlciabl.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/154855v19ayyum9kkutc1i.jpg

Now

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/1711441a5caj5i56yj3jca.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/171123hurug99uuhrer88r.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/170947puqluzwu7cypcppr.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/23/1200419lj6o95om3udm53o.jpg

See more here:

Contrastive Photos : Before and After the Building of All 3 Branches in the Second Home (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6675&page=1&extra=#pid21944)

xidaijena
23rd December 2013, 09:19
The 3rd Branch of Our Community:

Before

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/1952150nrcxxze8crt6rkb.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/2049107p4pfj7urjgzk7kp.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/210249avlvontdabo7tvoa.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/211035cxcbhcq2qfge2uxl.jpg

Now

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/2150230x9z6a5b5wppopgz.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/215114ffg5ad5spni5nkn5.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/215156qpnuw3vtjnkvu3vp.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/2150551p9mchpm1ihqio33.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/221056lfi77iq7mld8dqmq.jpg


See more here:

Contrastive Photos : Before and After the Building of All 3 Branches in the Second Home (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6675&page=1&extra=#pid21944)

xidaijena
23rd December 2013, 09:25
The 4th Branch of Our Community

Before

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/22133628qpxap3m67ch8pz.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/2213082jvcj4jhvcxlbrrc.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/221459n87gcgcnc9tt9c2q.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/221614en89e61rbmi32nr1.jpg

Now

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/223328u9yyyy4iyx9c9sxi.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/223336thv32hyfx0xhavwf.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/2234033tt443in3p3tpt8i.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/223231ibs9d4y0os9g0q1s.jpg

http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/data/attachment/forum/201312/22/2233052lx6w0xx4nwz3fxx.jpg


See more here:

Contrastive Photos : Before and After the Building of All 3 Branches in the Second Home (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6675&page=1&extra=#pid21944)

Realeyes
23rd December 2013, 10:56
Bless you Jena for this update - you have been working so hard, I wonder if you and your team of translators have time to sleep?

The photos are beautiful and so pleasing to the eye where Nature just shines in vibrant radiance. This is such a good idea to show the before and after photos and what your community has been able to achieve.

I really feel that there is so much your community can share to the world in your active knowledge of permaculture. It would be lovely if your government recognised these valuable talents and skills and perhaps give you some kind of license as an official promoter in your country sharing to the people the joys of living a sustainable lifestyle with permaculture that is in harmony with the land.

I know of a couple of Eco communities in France and they have thrived due to their successful decision of doing workshops for the locals and farmers teaching them all about permaculture and sustainable living. Other communities in France that decided to close themselves off from the locals did not fair so good with the government evicting them under the guise of being a cult. So as I see it, a community that is beneficial and sharing to the surrounding larger community of locals where everyone supports each other is the better way for long lasting success.

I am so pleased you heeded the good advice you received from other members on PA. Your latest ideas for the media outlet is presented so much better, you have all worked so hard in fine tuning your explanations and vision that a western media will better understand. I truly hope this will have a positive outcome for you all.

I would also like to suggest that you get in touch with other Eco/Permaculture Communities around the world, I am sure there are many websites on the net, and perhaps there will be information of their websites that will give your community inspirations of how to progress yourselves. And it would also be beneficial to be engaged with others who are also promoting this type of lifestyle.

Here is a link to a permaculture magazine that is published in the UK; I am sure there will be other magazines of the same nature around the world. Perhaps writing to them and explaining what is happening to your community will also help overcome the challenges you are facing. It would be good if you could get the permaculture communities around the world also advising you and backing your side. http://www.permaculture.co.uk/
There is a permaculture group also on facebook here https://www.facebook.com/PermacultureMag

Here is Sepp Holzer's Permaculture website (he is one of the founders of permaculture) http://www.permaculture.co.uk/videos/visit-sepp-holzers-permaculture-farm

How is your community bearing up with the water situation, are you managing to get clean water from somewhere else.

Much love I send to you all.

panopticon
24th December 2013, 00:48
Dec 20, 2013
...
The viewpoints from Lawyers are as follows:

According to China’s rural land laws, all construction conversions and new constructions on land need to get allowances from the proper government departments. Therefore, a large number of the community buildings are unauthorised constructions. Meanwhile, according to their experience, even if we had applied for the approval before building these houses, it would have been very difficult to get the approval.

The lease contracts of the 3rd and the 4th branches are not perfect because they did not avoid certain lawful risks and they have some loopholes.The lands are rented from landlords who rent the land from the local village. According to China’s rural land laws, sublease contracts need to get the approval of the local village committee and must have the public stamp on it. We were not informed of this rule when we signed the contracts and the landlords did not tell us either.

Regarding the decision letter from Lincang Forestry Bureau and disturbance from local villagers:

• We can apply for an administrative reconsideration.
• Our community is not in the Chinese management system as a social group.
• We can go to the people’s procuratorates to sue the local Public Security Bureau if they fail to do their jobs when receiving crime reports.
• They can help us to apply for a legal mediation if necessary.

...

Dec 21, 2013

We decided that we will not apply for a legal mediation.

Hello Jena,

My deepest sympathies.

It appears that due diligence was not undertaken by those organising your communities in the initial phases and as a result of this your legal standing is virtually non-existent.

The responsibility lies with those who signed the contracts on behalf of the community organisation. There really needs to be some sort of explanation as to why they didn't engage a reputable lawyer who specialised in local property/land holdings regulations. That should have been the first step anyone undertook so that they were aware of their regulatory responsibility to report and/or apply for approval.

I had assumed that this had been done.

If a lawyer was engaged and gave bad advice, or profited from the lease contract outside of usual fees, then that may be an area for your community to claim against.

If a lawyer was engaged and advised that there were requirements under State and local regulations that needed to be followed, and this advise was ignored, then an explanation as to why this was done needs to be explained to the community.

Best of luck to you and your associates.

-- Pan

xidaijena
24th December 2013, 04:28
Bless you Jena for this update - you have been working so hard, I wonder if you and your team of translators have time to sleep?

I would also like to suggest that you get in touch with other Eco/Permaculture Communities around the world, I am sure there are many websites on the net, and perhaps there will be information of their websites that will give your community inspirations of how to progress yourselves. And it would also be beneficial to be engaged with others who are also promoting this type of lifestyle.

Here is a link to a permaculture magazine that is published in the UK; I am sure there will be other magazines of the same nature around the world. Perhaps writing to them and explaining what is happening to your community will also help overcome the challenges you are facing. It would be good if you could get the permaculture communities around the world also advising you and backing your side. http://www.permaculture.co.uk/
There is a permaculture group also on facebook here https://www.facebook.com/PermacultureMag

Here is Sepp Holzer's Permaculture website (he is one of the founders of permaculture) http://www.permaculture.co.uk/videos/visit-sepp-holzers-permaculture-farm

How is your community bearing up with the water situation, are you managing to get clean water from somewhere else.

Much love I send to you all.

Oh, dear sister, we do have much time to sleep. ;) The translators are our 3 sisters and one American chanyuan celestial who I call as Grandpa Kaer. My 3 sisters also try their best to contact with GEN and other ecovillages around the world. Well, yes, our most time is spent on the web now. But we think it values a lot in our lifetime.

Thank you for your kind words and suggestion, we have already contacted other Eco/Permaculture Communities around the world.

You can see our news on GEN's website:

CHINA: ECOVILLAGE UNDER THREAT - UNITING IN TIMES OF CRISIS

http://gen.ecovillage.org/index.php/news/304-calls-for-help-from-chinese-ecovillage-under-government-pressure-to-disband.html

And this is our new sister —Linqiao Celestial:

Michiyo Furnhashi, Japan, President of GENOA

http://gen.ecovillage.org/index.php/news/315-series-who-are-we-in-gen.html

This is a community called Tamerra, they share our news on its website:

THE SECOND HOME OF LIFECHANYUAN
by Institute for Global Peacework

http://terranovavoice.tamera.org/

We are not alone, we have you and them and many other lightworkers together on Mother Earth. That's so inspiring and exciting. Praise God.


How is your community bearing up with the water situation, are you managing to get clean water from somewhere else.

Oh yes, we have a small underground waterpipe which is the same size as a finger in the deep of the forest. Only few people know where it is. We use that water for drinking now.:o

Thank you for sharing those useful links, dear sister. I will see whether we need to contact them soon. ;) Hugs.

xidaijena
24th December 2013, 04:58
The responsibility lies with those who signed the contracts on behalf of the community organisation. There really needs to be some sort of explanation as to why they didn't engage a reputable lawyer who specialised in local property/land holdings regulations. That should have been the first step anyone undertook so that they were aware of their regulatory responsibility to report and/or apply for approval.


According to China’s rural land laws, sublease contracts need to get the approval of the local village committee and must have the public stamp on it.

We had no idea about it in the beginning.It's a lesson for us to learn in the future.


Therefore, a large number of the community buildings are unauthorised constructions.

To creat such a community in China, it's also the first time for all of us to explore.

Hi dear brother Pan, I know what you mean, but now we need more solutions to get help rather than asking someone why he didn't do the right thing in the beginning. It seems that we are a little fool, but trust is the key. I don't know how to explain something that can't express in words.


and this advise was ignored, then an explanation as to why this was done needs to be explained to the community

The explanation is that we won't agree to disband our community. If we follow the lawyers' advice, the condition is that we must agree to give up our community in three months, at the longest. Many of us didn't agree.

However, thank you for all your great help to our community, you are really a very nice brother. I'm trying to send e-mails to invite the media to come to our community with your suggestion and Guide Xuefeng's new article (http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6672).

Hugs & Love to you, dear brother Pan. :hug:

Milneman
25th December 2013, 05:24
YA KNOW! I was walking my dog tonight and it suddenly hit me...I know why the government is so uppity about this. Yeah, there's probably permit difficulties, but why would local people be upset? And then....the aha moment.

Here we have a group of people demonstrating their communist principles BETTER than the government can do.

Jenna? You're doing TOO well. :) :) :) And it's making the Central Committee look bad....lol

Try and....I don't know....make it look ugly from the roadside or something. :) The country looks amazing from google earth btw.

xidaijena
26th December 2013, 03:15
Here we have a group of people demonstrating their communist principles BETTER than the government can do.

Jenna? You're doing TOO well. :) :) :) And it's making the Central Committee look bad....lol

Try and....I don't know....make it look ugly from the roadside or something. :) The country looks amazing from google earth btw.

TOO well? Ah, I think so, too...LOL

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.
Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.
In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven. " ~ Matthew 5:2-16"

Praise God! :wizard:

xidaijena
26th December 2013, 03:22
Sorry to dear all here, because we never celebrate Christmas in Lifechanyuan, I was not perfect enough to feel very happy on Christmas Day for we were still working on the web and send our community's events to other people. :p

I didn't give my best wishes to all of you here on Christmas Day in time. However, posotive energy always can make us feel very inspired especially when we have strong faith and hope in the beauitiful new year and era. So, Merry Christmas to all of you here & Happy New Year!



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May the Peace of the Lord fill our soul
May the Love of God fill our heart
May the Light of the Lamb shine upon our path
May Hope Eternal guide us through the world


New is the year, new are the hopes and the aspirations,
new is the resolution,
new are the spirits and forever our warm wishes are for all of you.
Have a promising Merry Christmas.



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Milneman
26th December 2013, 09:06
Here we have a group of people demonstrating their communist principles BETTER than the government can do.

Jenna? You're doing TOO well. :) :) :) And it's making the Central Committee look bad....lol

Try and....I don't know....make it look ugly from the roadside or something. :) The country looks amazing from google earth btw.

TOO well? Ah, I think so, too...LOL

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.
Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.
In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven. " ~ Matthew 5:2-16"

Praise God! :wizard:

Just remember love, the bits that come after people don't always like to hear:


17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

38 You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'
39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

xidaijena
27th December 2013, 07:18
[Just remember love, the bits that come after people don't always like to hear:


17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

38 You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'
39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.

40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

Do remember these, always know we are all the same from God. Those dark just play their own roles. :p

Milneman
27th December 2013, 21:22
Don't you dare give up your fight. And get the children to safety. I mean that. Nobody under 18. Clear them out. Dig in. Don't give up. And don't shed common sense.

How much are you prepared to sacrifice for what you believe?

xidaijena
28th December 2013, 07:29
How much are you prepared to sacrifice for what you believe?

You want me to say how much, dear Milneman? :p

xidaijena
28th December 2013, 07:38
Okay, dear all sisters and brothers here, do any of you want to come to China to have a visit to our community? This is an invitation written by our Guide Xuefeng on Dec 21, 2013:


Invitation to the Media, Experts, and Scholars Come and Experience the Utopian Community Life of the Second Home

Xuefeng

December 21th, 2013

The ideal life of Utopia which has been dreamed of by human beings for thousands years has been realized here, that is the Second Home of Lifechanyuan.

There are one hundred fifty permanent residents in the Second Home, from the youngest at five to the oldest at eighty-six. The majority are females. The Second Home has existed for four years and we have actually realized the following wonderful dreams:

1. Let each person do his or her best and give what he or she needs.
2. No one pockets anything found on the road, and doors are unbolted at night.
3. There is no marriage and no nuclear family.
4. The elderly are looked after properly, and children are brought up well.
5. There are no rules or commandments. Paradise management is realized here.
6. The history of criminality, quarreling, and fighting is zero.
7. Money is not needed within the community, and the environment is just like Xanadu.
8. Everyone is worry-free about food, clothing, accommodation, transportation, birth, ageing, sickness, and death.
9. Everybody is happy, joyful, free, and blessed. People rarely get sick.
10. People live in harmony with people, society, and nature.
11. If there are no external disturbance, our community will be improving futher as time passes.

The Chinese nation is a nation of wisdom, it is a great nation. The noble desires of human beings for thousands of years have become a living reality, and the place where they have should be the pride of Chinese nation.

We have crystallized all human wisdom, which is the result of continuous pursuits and endeavours by the sages and people with lofty ideals of all times. It is the hope of all the people who are diligent, kind, simple, sincere, and trustworthy.

This is the most valuable mental and spiritual wealth for human beings. It is worth cherishing, transmitting, searching, exploring, and learning.

In today’s acquisitive society, what we have can be called a pure land.

We hope that all media everywhere, all the experts and scholars who do research on humanity and social studies, and all the people with lofty ideals who are dedicated to freedom and happiness for everyone, will come to experience, observe, research, and explore. Together we will pass this spiritual wealth to the future generations and lay the foundation for a bright future for all people.

Source:http://lifechanyuan.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6672&highlight=invitation

I forgot to post here to invite any of you here. It's much safer and peaceful in our community now. So, if any of you wants to have a visit to our community now, please tell me. ;)

Hugs & Love to all of you here. :grouphug:

Milneman
28th December 2013, 18:33
Here's how you fight back:

DfvGJhZ1SmA

This is a video from "Habitat for Humanity", a global group that helps build affordable housing for people who need it.

You find the communities that are near you...and you do for them what you've done for yourselves. Give them time to trust you, and then build homes for them, build gardens for them, and expect nothing in return...ever. If you believe what you say you believe, this will come naturally for you. Don't worry about where you're going to find the supplies to build these homes...you've already got them all in your own community.

Food for thought.

**edit**

Just got a tap on the shoulder: Think about how your group, if you started right now, could re-build rural China in just a matter of years. Think about how that could get your message across. Open the gates to your community, and walk out...and never turn back.

xidaijena
29th December 2013, 03:23
Here's how you fight back:

DfvGJhZ1SmA

This is a video from "Habitat for Humanity", a global group that helps build affordable housing for people who need it.

You find the communities that are near you...and you do for them what you've done for yourselves. Give them time to trust you, and then build homes for them, build gardens for them, and expect nothing in return...ever. If you believe what you say you believe, this will come naturally for you. Don't worry about where you're going to find the supplies to build these homes...you've already got them all in your own community.

Food for thought.

**edit**

Just got a tap on the shoulder: Think about how your group, if you started right now, could re-build rural China in just a matter of years. Think about how that could get your message across. Open the gates to your community, and walk out...and never turn back.


I'm checking it now, thank you very much, dear Milneman. Hugs.

xidaijena
31st December 2013, 08:35
Happy New Year 2014!

May God's light and love with us forever,
May all your beautiful dreams come true in the coming new Year!

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Realeyes
31st December 2013, 12:05
Hi Jena,

How are you? You have been in my daily thoughts.

What is the spirit of your community right now, how are your all fairing with no hot water and other basic amenities? I am sure you are all muddling through and doing the best that you can, but it cannot be easy.

Do you still have snow? I hope you are all able to keep warm.

Thank you for your New Year wishes!

I wish you the same for your Chinese New Year (which is on the 31st of January?)


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May 2014 unfold for Humanity as a year filled with unconditional love, abundance, loving relationships between our brothers and sisters all uniting together with evolutionary conscious awakening that benefits ALL - a year in history remembered fondly that birthed humanity on the path of true spiritual freedom!

xidaijena
31st December 2013, 13:19
I wish you the same for your Chinese New Year (which is on the 31st of January?)


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May 2014 unfold for Humanity as a year filled with unconditional love, abundance, loving relationships between our brothers and sisters all uniting together with evolutionary conscious awakening that benefits ALL - a year in history remembered fondly that birthed humanity on the path of true spiritual freedom!

How warm your words are, dear sister! Thank you very much. Yes, Chinese New Year will be on Jan 31, 2014.;)



How are you? You have been in my daily thoughts.

What is the spirit of your community right now, how are your all fairing with no hot water and other basic amenities? I am sure you are all muddling through and doing the best that you can, but it cannot be easy.

Till now, we are still fine. I don't know what others really feel. But to me, it's a little unhappy especially tomorrow will be the start for the new year. We are still trying all means to find reporters and send e-mails to those rich people who will be interested in our community.

Today's afternoon, we got some message from the 1st branch's sisters that the Chinese reporter who had stayed in our 4th branch for about 3 days and comes to the 1st branch to see more about our situation was taken by the policemen in the 1st branch. I don't know the detailed info, but the reporter is safe now and may be not allowed to do more research of our community. And there came 3 reporters from Hong Kong to the 1st branch today and the policemen followed them to ask them to register. May God bless these kind reporters will successfully report the true situation in our community.

My 3 sisters who are good at English and me are also calling and sending e-mails to the western media in China. But many foreign reporters are still on holidays.

Some of our sisters and brothers also decide to work in the outside for a short time to save our community.

Not happy but peaceful in all of our communites.

We still have some hot water to drink and bath. :p But other basic amenities, I think we will make them on Chinese New Year's Day.


Do you still have snow? I hope you are all able to keep warm.

No, we have many sunny days now. Thank God for the warmer days, though I hope it will rain in some days.;)

How about you, dear sister? Do you have a nice new year in your hometown? Do you mind to share some happy pics with me? I need to focus on happy things these days. Hugs. :hug: