How to astral project without all the hoopla.

[powessy]

just let yourself know that you are ready to take the steps needed to astral project, you must see the illusions for what they are, ask questions about everything and keep a good outlook on life. Once you turn off the noise from the outside and start to listen to your inner self, you will surly see.

[sigma6]

That stuff always freaks me out... since I was brought up thinking Satan from the Exorcist would come get me if I did something like that... (LOL) But the more I think about it, we should be able to use this ability. It doesn't make sense that we have this ability, but a book written in secret code by the Romans tells us that we shouldn't, yet that would be the very method the Gnostics used to develop many of their deepest insights and if you follow the work of early Egyptian/Hebrew/Roman scholars, the Hebrews were really Egyptian via the expelled Hyksos Kings which I say there is more evidence for it then against... and the bible is just loaded with Egyptian and Mesopotamian history. Ellis has a list of over 400 Hebrew words that clearly show they were used by Egyptians. Then the Gnostics could have been essentially practicing the Egyptian techniques. And if that was the case then it only makes sense a Roman Bible would tell you not to do what they did... the whole point of the Roman Empire was centralized power controlled by an elite over individual power. ... in a nutshell, our world today... (just starting to wake from the nightmare... still some sleep in many eyes... )
Anyhow I am now very much intrigued by this as a form of overcoming past "programming" and self enlightenment... this sounds like a ouija board in your head...

So are you saying just being able to see the N and Y is a form of astral projecting... and what is HM? thanks

[powessy]

this sounds like a ouija board in your head...

So are you saying just being able to see the N and Y is a form of astral projecting... and what is HM? thanks

Hello Sigma6
I am new to the HM terminology but this is the way I see it. There is you and then there is the HM and then the soul. If your soul has not yet ascended and you will know if it had, then there is the HM, which is like a half soul it has the ability to exit the body during OBE and guide you through astral projection but is not linked to the higher dimensions. To access the higher realms You then need to be fully ascended. I know this is going to bring about controversy but on the day that Powessy my soul ascended I got one last OBE with my HM and as It ended I saw my true form. The "yes" "no" is just like a ouija board in my head My eyes also move as a pendulum now, this was a gift, when I close my eyes I can see a cord with a weight attached it has several summoning attachments to it. I find the faster it spins time seems to fragment in my head then pictures appear it is weird but also cool.

[LivioRazlo]

So are you saying just being able to see the N and Y is a form of astral projecting... and what is HM? thanks

This is the same question which I had...what is HM? Higher Master?

[powessy]

This is the same question which I had...what is HM? Higher Master?

I will go along with that, but there are those who will be better at explaining this then I.

[mind-scape]

Thank you. :)

[loungelizard]

This is the same question which I had...what is HM? Higher Master?

I will go along with that, but there are those who will be better at explaining this then I.

Can you please explain a little more about what HM is? Who are those who will be better at explaining it?

Thanks!

[markpierre]

I'm confused. But not really. Does everyone or anyone realize that you astral project every time you go to sleep?
That's pretty easy to do too as techniques go.

There's a distinct advantage in that we think it's dreaming and know none of it matters, so it doesn't mess with our heads so much.
And you only have to remember what's useful.

[powessy]

This is the same question which I had...what is HM? Higher Master?

I will go along with that, but there are those who will be better at explaining this then I.

Can you please explain a little more about what HM is? Who are those who will be better at explaining it?

Thanks!

Hello Loungelizard
HM = Higher Mind and Trainee Human has written many post referring to this.

[powessy]

I'm confused. But not really. Does everyone or anyone realize that you astral project every time you go to sleep?
That's pretty easy to do too as techniques go.

There's a distinct advantage in that we think it's dreaming and know none of it matters, so it doesn't mess with our heads so much.
And you only have to remember what's useful.

Hello Markpierre it's not so easy for everyone, Your ability to astral project is one way your higher mind uses to teach you things depending on your nature and intent. This method is for all those that don't have your ability to communicate with their higher selves or at least will make them realize there is something more there. If all you are doing is dreaming then there is nothing to fear. Wouldn't it be nice to direct your dreams or astral projections and to realize they have purpose. The intent we all should have is to become aware and to awaken if this is not your intent then a dream is only a dream.

[ghostrider]

one idea i heard was to set your alarm clock for 2 am , and wake up and use the restroom or get a drink of water , then as you go back to bed say to yourself , when my body goes to sleep my mind will stay awake ... they say do the alarm thing for about two weeks so your body will get used to the routine ... it allows you to be already relaxed rather than stressed as some are when they lay down from a hard day ...anything that helps OBE , count me in ...

[littleOne]

I have heard the term Higher Mind used to refer to our higher self, so that might be what HM stands for. We should be trying to communicate with our higher self for guidance, higher master does not necessarily refer to ourselves.

[Jake]

Powessy, thank you for your input. And thank you for your methodology. There are different methods, and/or techniques to the OBE, many of them have to do with the 'surrender' to higher self, or higher mind. My experiences have been (mostly) spontaneous. I say that from the perspective of 'little jake'. The truth is that they are not spontaneous at all, but I will not fully accept it until the next time that I am 'out'. Many of the discussion here at Avalon, regarding the OBE, have danced the inevitable dance that represents the disconnect between self and higher self. My own astral experiences have an ET aspect to them. It is no less than I have intended for myself. :) I have written a book about my experiences. A manuscript, really. From my first post, here at Avalon,,, until now,,,, there have been dozens of folks PM me, and quite a bit more folks email me,,, and tell me about their first OBEs, and how I was able to help them. Not help them, but help them THROUGH IT.... My method of teaching the OBE has a lot to do with telling bits of my experiences in ways that people begin to 'remember' theirs. I have show my passions, and that has been enough for some. :):):) I try and help people 'out of the box' as much as possible, without corrupting my own journey,, (ie,, I am no guru or master)

The signals that came to me were not of a visual nature. They were intense vibrations and energy body sensations. Sure 'woke me up',,, yessireee!!!! I, eventually, learned to accept them and to relax into them.

One obstacle that will prove to be challenging for you is that your method works for you,,, you have a natural tendency to project, therefore a proven sort of methodology was going to reveal itself no matter what you did. You are a natural. Many folks will beat their heads against the wall trying. Then when they finally 'get out',, they will understand what it is that you were trying to explain.

I am thrilled that you are here. there are lots of different aspects to this phenomenon, and you bring your piece of the puzzle, and we are better off for it. Thank you.

I look forward to more of your input. I would love to know if you still experience the traditional OBE. or are you in a more of an 'Astral State' (no astral body or energy body to speak of)?? I will wait for an answer... I don't want to put the wrong connotation to any aspect that you are trying to explain.

Thank you in advance.
Jake.

[powessy]

I look forward to more of your input. I would love to know if you still experience the traditional OBE. or are you in a more of an 'Astral State' (no astral body or energy body to speak of)?? I will wait for an answer... I don't want to put the wrong connotation to any aspect that you are trying to explain.

Thank you in advance.
Jake.

Jake it is different for me, I see something that no one else can see. I can look directly into that place, I know this won't make sense although it's been part of me my whole life. My experiences are so much different then most and then there are those similarities. I had some problems arise a few years back that made me turn my back on all of this, something had happened in that place, unforeseen and regrettable. I am not of your source my appearance is solid and I can feel and see within me on this other level. As I started to realize what was going on everything has changed. The days before his ascension A large white light appeared behind me no shape and no form, then tentacles from this object pierced my body filling my veins with light I could see this happening, on the next day my guide removed the Vail and allowed me to exit one last time as my higher self. I looked down and watched Powessy grab onto me and start to ascend into me. I wish I had a chance to know him sooner. I no what some believe but as far as I know no one may obe now for the hidden must remain hid. Again this may start some controversy and this I have no intentions of, I wish I could explain more about this but right now I must wait. All I can tell anyone right now is you can astral project as much as you want till April 1st, after this the world is the limit. As for this method I am not sure if it will work for anyone but this is how it has worked for me. If one only wishes to learn to astral project then I recommend sticking only to the muscle test there is no risk and is a direct path to your higher self just make sure to test the handshake before asking.
Also I stand on both sides all can see me.
Here is a site that kind of explains the grid I speak of the only thing is I don't need the drugs to see it.https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41212

[Jake]

I look forward to more of your input. I would love to know if you still experience the traditional OBE. or are you in a more of an 'Astral State' (no astral body or energy body to speak of)?? I will wait for an answer... I don't want to put the wrong connotation to any aspect that you are trying to explain.

Thank you in advance.
Jake.

Jake it is different for me, I see something that no one else can see. I can look directly into that place, I know this won't make sense although it's been part of me my whole life. My experiences are so much different then most and then there are those similarities. I had some problems arise a few years back that made me turn my back on all of this, something had happened in that place, unforeseen and regrettable. I am not of your source my appearance is solid and I can feel and see within me on this other level. As I started to realize what was going on everything has changed. The days before his ascension A large white light appeared behind me no shape and no form, then tentacles from this object pierced my body filling my veins with light I could see this happening, on the next day my guide removed the Vail and allowed me to exit one last time as my higher self. I looked down and watched Powessy grab onto me and start to ascend into me. I wish I had a chance to know him sooner. I no what some believe but as far as I know no one may obe now for the hidden must remain hid. Again this may start some controversy and this I have no intentions of, I wish I could explain more about this but right now I must wait. All I can tell anyone right now is you can astral project as much as you want till April 1st, after this the world is the limit. As for this method I am not sure if it will work for anyone but this is how it has worked for me. If one only wishes to learn to astral project then I recommend sticking only to the muscle test there is no risk and is a direct path to your higher self just make sure to test the handshake before asking.
Also I stand on both sides all can see me.

I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." :) Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.

Powessy, Of course you can see something that no one else can see,,, (It is true for all of us!! :) )

Part of what I try to do is uncover different aspects of this extension of consciousness, in a way that can be understood by folks who have never had this type of experience. (knowingly) Many people report the traditional Out-of-body-experience, where one seems to be a phantom, or ghost functioning in some representation of the physical world. Others do not have that type of 'disassociate' event,, but a deeper, calmer more 'whole' understanding of ourselves and the universe. A different experience, yet still categorized in the 'obe' definitions... Then there is a near death experience,, which will share many element of both styles of experience, but definitely not the same. Again,, it all gets categorized into the 'obe' definitions. I have yet to scratch the surface, when it comes to the explosive experiences that I have come to have to deal with as a physical human. A dual existence, no? I would definitely not assume that you are alone. :) At least in the sense that you have friends!! :):) I have done a great deal of meet'n'greets with lots of the big names in the Astral Projection 'field'. Lots of authors and experiencers. Some of them, quite famous.

Sometimes, a truth that is learned is a personal truth, and should not be projected onto others.

I PROMISE you that there is nothing about April 1st that will change anything about the frequency of Astral Projection or OBE events in my life!!!! :)

Sorry,, just a truth that I have had to deal with!!!

Perhaps I am deceived, can you explain a bit more about that prediction.?

Not trying to be too abrasive. You are solid. I think you can take it. :)

Jake.

[powessy]

I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." :) Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.

Powessy, Of course you can see something that no one else can see,,, (It is true for all of us!! :) )

Part of what I try to do is uncover different aspects of this extension of consciousness, in a way that can be understood by folks who have never had this type of experience. (knowingly) Many people report the traditional Out-of-body-experience, where one seems to be a phantom, or ghost functioning in some representation of the physical world. Others do not have that type of 'disassociate' event,, but a deeper, calmer more 'whole' understanding of ourselves and the universe. A different experience, yet still categorized in the 'obe' definitions... Then there is a near death experience,, which will share many element of both styles of experience, but definitely not the same. Again,, it all gets categorized into the 'obe' definitions. I have yet to scratch the surface, when it comes to the explosive experiences that I have come to have to deal with as a physical human. A dual existence, no? I would definitely not assume that you are alone. :) At least in the sense that you have friends!! :):) I have done a great deal of meet'n'greets with lots of the big names in the Astral Projection 'field'. Lots of authors and experiencers. Some of them, quite famous.

Sometimes, a truth that is learned is a personal truth, and should not be projected onto others.

I PROMISE you that there is nothing about April 1st that will change anything about the frequency of Astral Projection or OBE events in my life!!!! :)

Sorry,, just a truth that I have had to deal with!!!

Perhaps I am deceived, can you explain a bit more about that prediction.?

Not trying to be too abrasive. You are solid. I think you can take it. :)

Jake.
Jake I appreciate your determination, like I said there are some similarities to these experiences that we share but then there isn't. look around the internet and find an actual obe event that has occurred after November 1st, 2013 I have been monitoring as many of these sites as I can it's all I do. I'm trying to find the truth to what I have been told and to what I have experienced over the last two months. on one hand I find it hard to believe then on the other hand he has been with me forever why would he lie. The first thing I asked when I realized something else was answering the pendulum was who or what are you here is what I received "mindweangaloymehe". he told me of powessy and all I had to do is realize that he was real.

Man makes chance and probability, time is uncertain except for a single point that all points merge upon. I can see into this place clearer now with his help, I am starting to understand. I will consider how I want to approach with the information or puzzle pieces that I have. He says that what has been done can not be undone. I suggest and plead that anyone reading this please try and refrain from doing anything that requires out of body motions. Jake let me think about this and I will pm you regarding this issue. I am still searching for the truth.

[Crystine]

I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.
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Above is quoted from Jake
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Apparently the first thought of an initiate into this realm is to think wow I'm special. That certainly puffs up OBE's sails. But pretty soon the wind gets knocked out of those same sails. One begins to understand. One begins to gain perspective. It is a roller coaster ride.
I kinda popped my head out of the rabbit hole to say this. So all of you that are way farther advanced , please remember some of us are in the lower levels of this phenomena.🐷That's all Folks!

[Jake]

I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." :) Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.

Powessy, Of course you can see something that no one else can see,,, (It is true for all of us!! :) )

Part of what I try to do is uncover different aspects of this extension of consciousness, in a way that can be understood by folks who have never had this type of experience. (knowingly) Many people report the traditional Out-of-body-experience, where one seems to be a phantom, or ghost functioning in some representation of the physical world. Others do not have that type of 'disassociate' event,, but a deeper, calmer more 'whole' understanding of ourselves and the universe. A different experience, yet still categorized in the 'obe' definitions... Then there is a near death experience,, which will share many element of both styles of experience, but definitely not the same. Again,, it all gets categorized into the 'obe' definitions. I have yet to scratch the surface, when it comes to the explosive experiences that I have come to have to deal with as a physical human. A dual existence, no? I would definitely not assume that you are alone. :) At least in the sense that you have friends!! :):) I have done a great deal of meet'n'greets with lots of the big names in the Astral Projection 'field'. Lots of authors and experiencers. Some of them, quite famous.

Sometimes, a truth that is learned is a personal truth, and should not be projected onto others.

I PROMISE you that there is nothing about April 1st that will change anything about the frequency of Astral Projection or OBE events in my life!!!! :)

Sorry,, just a truth that I have had to deal with!!!

Perhaps I am deceived, can you explain a bit more about that prediction.?

Not trying to be too abrasive. You are solid. I think you can take it. :)

Jake.
Jake I appreciate your determination, like I said there are some similarities to these experiences that we share but then there isn't. look around the internet and find an actual obe event that has occurred after November 1st, 2013 I have been monitoring as many of these sites as I can it's all I do. I'm trying to find the truth to what I have been told and to what I have experienced over the last two months. on one hand I find it hard to believe then on the other hand he has been with me forever why would he lie. The first thing I asked when I realized something else was answering the pendulum was who or what are you here is what I received "mindweangaloymehe". he told me of powessy and all I had to do is realize that he was real.

Man makes chance and probability, time is uncertain except for a single point that all points merge upon. I can see into this place clearer now with his help, I am starting to understand. I will consider how I want to approach with the information or puzzle pieces that I have. He says that what has been done can not be undone. I suggest and plead that anyone reading this please try and refrain from doing anything that requires out of body motions. Jake let me think about this and I will pm you regarding this issue. I am still searching for the truth.

Of course, my friend. November 1st was over a month ago.. My last fully conscious projection was last week. I frequent Robert Bruces' forum site... You can find it here!!! (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/forum.php)

Many amazing and ongoing experiences.

I cannot refrain from astral projection, as it is not an event as much as it is a perspective. Either way,,, I will not stop pushing out into the forbidden realms. I CANNOT. I do not have the ability!!!

There is no rush, my friend. I am just a learner too. Feel free to tell me to bugger off!! :) Others have. Not a problem. I cannot dictate to anyone how to approach their perspective gifts.

Clearly, you have a message to bring. I do not want to stand in the way of it. Feel free to PM me, as always. I just want to touch base with the most powerful aspects of your experiences, without offending you, or creating any uncomfortable feelings. I know damn well that you have much to offer. I am on the edge of my seat, actually. I remember when I first met another projector... I almost didn't believe it. We have a chance to show our quality. And we need to shine a light of inspiration into our efforts to show the world the truth about these types of events.

There are others here that are paying attention. Do not hesitate to open your heart and mind here. It is why I champion Avalon,,, and why I will always support and protect this special place.

Lead on, Powessy!!!
Jake.

[Jake]

I have spent most of my life trying to stop it. There is an old saying,, "You are unique,, Just like everyone else." Please do not assume that you are talking to the blind. I did NOT simply read a couple of books, then declare myself an expert. I have lamented many truths, since the day I was burdened with them. I am sure that you can relate. I was/am dragged through this, kicking and screaming.
-------------------------------
Above is quoted from Jake
-------------------------------
Apparently the first thought of an initiate into this realm is to think wow I'm special. That certainly puffs up OBE's sails. But pretty soon the wind gets knocked out of those same sails. One begins to understand. One begins to gain perspective. It is a roller coaster ride.
I kinda popped my head out of the rabbit hole to say this. So all of you that are way farther advanced , please remember some of us are in the lower levels of this phenomena.🐷That's all Folks!

Christine Lori. No initiation is happening here. Not that I am aware of.... Please understand; EVERYONE SHOULD SAY "WOW, I AM SPECIAL" That is a fundamental part of my entire message. Please do not be distracted by my strange supportive ways. :) lol. One of the first lessons in astral projection has to do with (one of the first lessons of being a physical Human),,, and that is,,, You must be able to experience joy!!! Joy is not a temporary state. It does not require any sort of advanced spiritual undertaking.

Imagine being able to respect and love yourself in a way that inspires humility and joy, at the same time. I promise you that I am not trying to blow smoke up anyones arsse.... :) You ARE special. If that has become a strange cliché, then I am sorry,,,, I won't quit saying it, because it is true.

Love to you.
Jake.

[Crystine]

Jake I am lost and thoroughly confused. Like maybe my experiences are so far off, that I can find no common ground. Without a starting point......there are no comments for me to make. Special? No value in a place like Avalon. Then where does someone like me go. Back to making this journey alone? Makes me fell rather like a moron. You are very kind. I still feel bewildered. Some of what I experience is not joyful. But a burden. I have humility. My hat in hand before my creator. But maybe my connections are screwed from my accident. Because here, as in my physical daily life, I am a day late and a dollar short. I am directed back to God. My first Hero. My name is Christine. Then I am told all this stuff about satan and Lucifer.
Someplace I have commented on perspective and point of view.

It was actually a joke about someone who thought he was dead.

So I guess if I am worshipping satan. Or I am lucifer. Then those that believe that poop. Are all wrong. Because I know I am nice. I know I am good. Those are words. I am coming to realize much is lost in words. Words are a clumsy attempt our spirits make to communicate. Listen to my heart more than my words.
What's the use. I just don't get it. If this is unsuitable to be in this thread. Just delete it. I don't care. It was for you. But you have my permission to remove this reply from public view. I don't care.

[markpierre]

I'm confused. But not really. Does everyone or anyone realize that you astral project every time you go to sleep?
That's pretty easy to do too as techniques go.

There's a distinct advantage in that we think it's dreaming and know none of it matters, so it doesn't mess with our heads so much.
And you only have to remember what's useful.

Hello Markpierre it's not so easy for everyone, Your ability to astral project is one way your higher mind uses to teach you things depending on your nature and intent. This method is for all those that don't have your ability to communicate with their higher selves or at least will make them realize there is something more there. If all you are doing is dreaming then there is nothing to fear. Wouldn't it be nice to direct your dreams or astral projections and to realize they have purpose. The intent we all should have is to become aware and to awaken if this is not your intent then a dream is only a dream.

I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.

[Jake]

Jake I am lost and thoroughly confused. Like maybe my experiences are so far off, that I can find no common ground. Without a starting point......there are no comments for me to make. Special? No value in a place like Avalon. Then where does someone like me go. Back to making this journey alone? Makes me fell rather like a moron. You are very kind. I still feel bewildered. Some of what I experience is not joyful. But a burden. I have humility. My hat in hand before my creator. But maybe my connections are screwed from my accident. Because here, as in my physical daily life, I am a day late and a dollar short. I am directed back to God. My first Hero. My name is Christine. Then I am told all this stuff about satan and Lucifer.
Someplace I have commented on perspective and point of view.

It was actually a joke about someone who thought he was dead.

So I guess if I am worshipping satan. Or I am lucifer. Then those that believe that poop. Are all wrong. Because I know I am nice. I know I am good. Those are words. I am coming to realize much is lost in words. Words are a clumsy attempt our spirits make to communicate. Listen to my heart more than my words.
What's the use. I just don't get it. If this is unsuitable to be in this thread. Just delete it. I don't care. It was for you. But you have my permission to remove this reply from public view. I don't care.

Christine Lori. Lost and confused is a powerful sign that your soul cries to be recognized. I see you,, and I listen closely!! :) This world is backwards. Lost and confused is the new normal. Don't be ashamed of facing it down.




I'm confused. But not really. Does everyone or anyone realize that you astral project every time you go to sleep?
That's pretty easy to do too as techniques go.

There's a distinct advantage in that we think it's dreaming and know none of it matters, so it doesn't mess with our heads so much.
And you only have to remember what's useful.

Hello Markpierre it's not so easy for everyone, Your ability to astral project is one way your higher mind uses to teach you things depending on your nature and intent. This method is for all those that don't have your ability to communicate with their higher selves or at least will make them realize there is something more there. If all you are doing is dreaming then there is nothing to fear. Wouldn't it be nice to direct your dreams or astral projections and to realize they have purpose. The intent we all should have is to become aware and to awaken if this is not your intent then a dream is only a dream.

I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.


Wow, I do appreciate where you are coming from. I have always struggled with the question of why I am projecting and others are not. To say one has a natural ability to project is flawed, a bit. I am with you when you say that we ALL project when we are sleeping. It is true. The goal is mind/awake-body/asleep. Practice this until you can stay aware and balanced through the muscle tone drop that indicates sleep paralysis. Most every spiritual ritual practices, have this goal in mind when meditating or dropping into trance. Altered states of consciousness. I have learned, in the astral, what cannot be learned in the physical. I don't look at it as being in 'one place' then 'the other'. I am in Both places. Multi-dimensionally tasking,,, even as we speak. There is nothing divine about it. It is all quite natural. This physical world is being taken for granted, because we have re-enforced a disconnect between our human bodies, and our essence, or souls.... As far as I can tell,,, every single astral projector has become a teacher of their craft. There IS a story unfolding, and we are part of it. We are changing from 'creatures' to 'beings'. Every single one of us!!! The full waking knowledge that I am more than my human body has come from the direct experience of NOT being in it!!! It is priceless. I can see everyone around me struggle with death. I know that a single OBE would change that.... Today, me and T.H. and SirDip and Powessy,,, tomorrow,,,, the world???? We are waking up. Don't feel left out, if you don't remember your OBEs. They occur either way.

I made a decision a long time ago that I would no longer live in turmoil, regarding the ObE activity in my life. It was a DECISION!!!! Now, there is nothing in this physical life that I cannot do the same. It is a decision. All of it! To be happy or sad, or angry or miserable, or joyful or depressed, or bored, or ANYTHING..... I would not have embraced it without my experiences in the astral. The astral is a perspective. And, yes, it all comes back to our state of being right here in physical 3d reality. It has become about the quality of life. In or out of my body.

The OBE is NOT required. But it is highly recommended. The full waking knowledge that we are more than our human bodies is priceless. No fear of death, no confusion about god, no lost love because we don't know or understand where we come from, and our place in the universe. I have this,, and I did not get it from government, religion, science, lawyers, bankers, gurus, or snake oil salespeople...

A powerful experience, if it can be grasped.
Jake.

[Little Cloud]

Hi Jake,

Many thanks for all this information. I have been working at trying to astro project and just last night I think that for the first time, I actually made some progress. However, I distinctly remember hearing or sensing a warning which, in effect, said that I should not visit the astral plane unless invited to do so as there are hidden dangers. The message went on to say that I may come across things that could interfere with my destiny, so I should ensure I am invited. It was unclear whom I should ask or how I would go about eliciting an invitation. Has anything like this ever happened to you? I welcome your comments.

[NoNeedForAName]

Hi Jake,

Many thanks for all this information. I have been working at trying to astro project and just last night I think that for the first time, I actually made some progress. However, I distinctly remember hearing or sensing a warning which, in effect, said that I should not visit the astral plane unless invited to do so as there are hidden dangers. The message went on to say that I may come across things that could interfere with my destiny, so I should ensure I am invited. It was unclear whom I should ask or how I would go about eliciting an invitation. Has anything like this ever happened to you? I welcome your comments.

Interesting to read this Little Cloud. I had a similar experience once. You can found my account here,

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51152-The-Secret-Of-The-Soul-and-OBE&p=722931&viewfull=1#post722931 ,

if you want to read it. I'm not sure what to think about it though...

You should have had some previous and non intentional experiences with lucid dreaming or even obes as a kid. Do you mind to tell me if they were good or bad experiences? Just to relate with my own experiences. Thank you.

[powessy]

I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.

Mark I didn't miss you, I can see how you might come up with this but I think it is inaccurate. I don't believe that everyone out there is astral projecting during their sleep, there are only the one's that can and then there is everyone else.
at some point in a persons life they might have a astral projection but too many it frightens them, so they stick to black and white dreams and simple impressions. Your higher self is blind and unaware of anything, it shares your astral dreams of the things around you for interpretations of its surroundings the more you create the more it learns. Then on the other hand you poison yourself by eating unhealthy, create fear as this society instills in men and ignore the one thing that should be the highest on our list our Higher Self. So lets assume that tomorrow you were to die, and you are buried where is your higher self when this happens. Doe's he go on, or what? and what memories does he have of this life if you never opened yourself to him, (your higher self)? I also believe that once you die you must wait to be reborn and this process removes all previous memories of everything. you must be eternal for your soul to be eternal. Humans have not acquired this ability and at the rate of reverse evolution they will never see it. I have experimented and tried to teach this and obe to many people with little or no success, and years later after trying several other methods, they failed also, why is it that these people who wanted to astral project could not. Many people dream every night but astral project I don't agree with you here.

[Little Cloud]

Hi No Need For A Name..... No, I cannot recall any earlier experiences, but I have always had this yearning to discover the 'real' world and to connect with Source. This is a first for me.

[markpierre]

I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.

Mark I didn't miss you, I can see how you might come up with this but I think it is inaccurate. I don't believe that everyone out there is astral projecting during their sleep, there are only the one's that can and then there is everyone else.
at some point in a persons life they might have a astral projection but too many it frightens them, so they stick to black and white dreams and simple impressions. Your higher self is blind and unaware of anything, it shares your astral dreams of the things around you for interpretations of its surroundings the more you create the more it learns. Then on the other hand you poison yourself by eating unhealthy, create fear as this society instills in men and ignore the one thing that should be the highest on our list our Higher Self. So lets assume that tomorrow you were to die, and you are buried where is your higher self when this happens. Doe's he go on, or what? and what memories does he have of this life if you never opened yourself to him, (your higher self)? I also believe that once you die you must wait to be reborn and this process removes all previous memories of everything. you must be eternal for your soul to be eternal. Humans have not acquired this ability and at the rate of reverse evolution they will never see it. I have experimented and tried to teach this and obe to many people with little or no success, and years later after trying several other methods, they failed also, why is it that these people who wanted to astral project could not. Many people dream every night but astral project I don't agree with you here.

That's an odd view of what your 'Higher Self' is. That part of you hasn't left heaven. So what are you aware of about what happens during the 97% of your dreaming
that you're not aware of?

[Jake]

Hi Jake,

Many thanks for all this information. I have been working at trying to astro project and just last night I think that for the first time, I actually made some progress. However, I distinctly remember hearing or sensing a warning which, in effect, said that I should not visit the astral plane unless invited to do so as there are hidden dangers. The message went on to say that I may come across things that could interfere with my destiny, so I should ensure I am invited. It was unclear whom I should ask or how I would go about eliciting an invitation. Has anything like this ever happened to you? I welcome your comments.

Pleas forgive my delay in posting a response. I was waiting to see if Powessy wanted to tackle it from his perspective. (Which I am not quite sure what powessy's definition of an OBE is,,,)

When I am really trying to project, I always have an OBE book handy. Astral Dynamics, or Secret of the Soul, or Journeys out of the Body,,, for example. It always keeps my interests piqued, and my senses alert. In my experience, the only hidden dangers are the ones that you bring with you. With that said, Yes I have been warned off. In fact, there is a phenomenon called the 'old hag syndrome' that creates a sort of barrier for those that are 'on the fence' with having OBEs. The intense sense that there 'is someone in the room with you', is very real and consistent. Some have reported 'shadow people',,, even hatman... They are definitely real,, but no harm has ever come from them. I believe it to be our first lessons into fear and the power of manifestation. The astral realms are thought responsive environment, and it takes some getting used to. A warning to NOT travel into the astral, could be our 'reaction' to these types of experiences, based on years of confusion regarding disassociate events, like the fully conscious OBE. It has been interpreted over and over by folks in different religions and walks of life. Mohamad was clearly having OBEs,, Night journeys,,, I think that is what he called them. Jesus had many flocks in many 'folds'. Not divine,,, pragmatic and real,,,,, actually. We are doing the same right now. :):) Yes, there is a larger representation of ourselves. Yes, it is trying to reach out to you. That is true in ALL aspects of life. Not just OBE. However, it becomes directly relevant, when we are stripped from the physical, and begin to realize that we are more than our human bodies.

I will warn you too... No harm,, except you will be forced to question everything that you have come to learn about yourself, and the physical world around you... Keep trying, there is a prize at the end. lolololol


Jake.

P.S. My passion for this topic has led me many places. I have studied with the Monroe people, I have studied with Robert Bruce, and I have had insightful conversations with William Buhlman. They would all tell you the same thing,, no harm can come to your physical body during OBE. (maybe if you have a heart condition) Another thing that they will tell you is that there is an 'energy body' component to the experience. And that not all astral 'planes' require a body at all. And that the only fear is the fear that you bring with you...

It is all true, littlecloud. Keep up the good work.
Jake.

[powessy]

Hi Jake,

Many thanks for all this information. I have been working at trying to astro project and just last night I think that for the first time, I actually made some progress. However, I distinctly remember hearing or sensing a warning which, in effect, said that I should not visit the astral plane unless invited to do so as there are hidden dangers. The message went on to say that I may come across things that could interfere with my destiny, so I should ensure I am invited. It was unclear whom I should ask or how I would go about eliciting an invitation. Has anything like this ever happened to you? I welcome your comments.

Pleas forgive my delay in posting a response. I was waiting to see if Powessy wanted to tackle it from his perspective. (Which I am not quite sure what powessy's definition of an OBE is,,,)

When I am really trying to project, I always have an OBE book handy. Astral Dynamics, or Secret of the Soul, or Journeys out of the Body,,, for example. It always keeps my interests piqued, and my senses alert. In my experience, the only hidden dangers are the ones that you bring with you. With that said, Yes I have been warned off. In fact, there is a phenomenon called the 'old hag syndrome' that creates a sort of barrier for those that are 'on the fence' with having OBEs. The intense sense that there 'is someone in the room with you', is very real and consistent. Some have reported 'shadow people',,, even hatman... They are definitely real,, but no harm has ever come from them. I believe it to be our first lessons into fear and the power of manifestation. The astral realms are thought responsive environment, and it takes some getting used to. A warning to NOT travel into the astral, could be our 'reaction' to these types of experiences, based on years of confusion regarding disassociate events, like the fully conscious OBE. It has been interpreted over and over by folks in different religions and walks of life. Mohamad was clearly having OBEs,, Night journeys,,, I think that is what he called them. Jesus had many flocks in many 'folds'. Not divine,,, pragmatic and real,,,,, actually. We are doing the same right now. :):) Yes, there is a larger representation of ourselves. Yes, it is trying to reach out to you. That is true in ALL aspects of life. Not just OBE. However, it becomes directly relevant, when we are stripped from the physical, and begin to realize that we are more than our human bodies.

I will warn you too... No harm,, except you will be forced to question everything that you have come to learn about yourself, and the physical world around you... Keep trying, there is a prize at the end. lolololol


Jake.

P.S. My passion for this topic has led me many places. I have studied with the Monroe people, I have studied with Robert Bruce, and I have had insightful conversations with William Buhlman. They would all tell you the same thing,, no harm can come to your physical body during OBE. (maybe if you have a heart condition) Another thing that they will tell you is that there is an 'energy body' component to the experience. And that not all astral 'planes' require a body at all. And that the only fear is the fear that you bring with you...

It is all true, littlecloud. Keep up the good work.
Jake.

When I first came here I was in a panic so many things coming in at once. after going through all these life changes I am starting to see clearly now. Jake You wanted to know what kind of obes I am having. I will attempt to group them as best
as I can. First, As a kid growing up I was in a couple accidents. The first one me and my friends were drinking and decided to sit on top of the hood of a car. The driver was under aged and took off unexpectedly reaching the speeds of over 50 miles per hour, she lost control on loose gravel. I watched my friends be thrown from the hood of the car as I remained there. Time almost froze, I could think and see every detail as it unfolded, I am still haunted by this accident, This has happend several times more in my life but in different scenarios, where time just almost completely stopped. The experts say it has to do with high levels of adrenalin.

So for the highest level obe experiences I have had, this is what it feels like my heart races to who knows what( like being in that accident) then it seems as though time stops no vibrations no paralysis everything is the same around me except, This is where I first met both of my sons and both of my daughters prior to their births, I also met both of my guides here. Other then the sensation that time stopped everything else is the same.

The next level of obe that I have had is with vibrations or paralysis once they begin then the break away occurs, I am free but for how long, I am not solid but look like thickly dense particles I can pass through walls but feel them as I do. I can hear the dreams of my family members as I coast through the house. I can only maintain this for maybe 5 to 10 minutes then I am pulled back. Once I return I almost always go into astral projection. If you have vibrations then project this is not an obe it is just a astral dream this also occurs from time to time.

the next level of obe is simular to the last but things are changed they are not the way they appear all the time, these are weaker experiences. During these experiences I have met many things some dark and some not, I am an atheist and have dabbled in many things, probably bringing on some of the nastiest things you can imagine, I never met the old hag but she would have been a girl scout compared to the other things lurking out there. during my time in the military after paralysis set in four dark demons would always grab onto my arms and legs and literally yank me out, and there were always others.

next is just a good old fashion astral projection romp on some other planet, swim with unknown fish or ride a tornado or two. These are interactive three dimensional views you can feel the rush of falling or flying but it is only a high tech dream. People can touch you and you would feel it, I have only had one bad experience during this type dream.

after that Is the dream I have never had a black and white, my dreams are all in color I can talk to people that I have never met, go where ever I want but this dream is only two dimensional and sometimes in second person where I am more hovering and limited interaction.

Littlecloud I think as long as your intentions are good nothing will harm you. If you make your intentions known prior to trying you should have no problems.

[powessy]

I think you missed me. I said EVERY TIME YOU SLEEP (lets qualify that to dream, remembered or not) you are astral projecting.
Consciousness doesn't sleep. It doesn't stop engaging with totality.
Lucid projection is useful to whomever it's useful to. If it's not useful, it probably wouldn't occur to you to try.
If it doesn't happen, it isn't necessary. I'd only like to point out that preoccupations with the astral are less useful than what's in your face right now. That's what you've been given to work with.
No one misses out on what their higher Selves want them to become aware of.
There aren't some who can and some who can't. There are some who get it one way,
and some who get it in others.

Ya it's a hoot to guide your own dreams. What's the point of it? I'm there to learn what I don't know,
not what I already do.

Mark I didn't miss you, I can see how you might come up with this but I think it is inaccurate. I don't believe that everyone out there is astral projecting during their sleep, there are only the one's that can and then there is everyone else.
at some point in a persons life they might have a astral projection but too many it frightens them, so they stick to black and white dreams and simple impressions. Your higher self is blind and unaware of anything, it shares your astral dreams of the things around you for interpretations of its surroundings the more you create the more it learns. Then on the other hand you poison yourself by eating unhealthy, create fear as this society instills in men and ignore the one thing that should be the highest on our list our Higher Self. So lets assume that tomorrow you were to die, and you are buried where is your higher self when this happens. Doe's he go on, or what? and what memories does he have of this life if you never opened yourself to him, (your higher self)? I also believe that once you die you must wait to be reborn and this process removes all previous memories of everything. you must be eternal for your soul to be eternal. Humans have not acquired this ability and at the rate of reverse evolution they will never see it. I have experimented and tried to teach this and obe to many people with little or no success, and years later after trying several other methods, they failed also, why is it that these people who wanted to astral project could not. Many people dream every night but astral project I don't agree with you here.

That's an odd view of what your 'Higher Self' is. That part of you hasn't left heaven. So what are you aware of about what happens during the 97% of your dreaming
that you're not aware of?

markpierre

first of all have you had an astral projection that is what this post is about not dreaming. let me explain how I see this through many years of observation and experience. I am first of all atheist and heaven means nothing to me. and secondly I dream nightly but there is more to sleep then just dreams like for example astral projection or obe. Now For me there is me, then there is what people on this forum call their higher self this is like a container that holds your life experiences. This higher self if not open to you or life will be shut off from all your experiences this is why many don't have these experience until they have had some traumatic experience that forces your higher self to fight or flight, the mysterious nde or a once in a life time obe. Many people say they have guides well a guide is just that a guide he or she shows you what is necessary for enlightenment or the emergence of the soul that fills this container. When My soul ascended into me He took all my memories and shuffled through them like a deck of cards it was more like a tornado of pictures this went on for a couple days. I can see him inside of me along with a 8 inch third eye given to me by a cat humanoid like figure. There are many web sites that will tell you what the body does during these other times like body maintenance in which it spends time to repair and regenerate tissue along with many other things. A typical person only gets between 1 and four hours of rem sleep a night you can visit this site http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/excessive-sleepiness-10/sleep-101. I know what my mind is doing, do you know what yours is doing during this time.