Are we a cross between a pig and a chimp?

[Skywizard]

Boy is this a good one!!


http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/images/news_large/news-pig.jpg


One of the world's leading hybridization experts believes that humans did not evolve entirely from apes.

Dr Eugene McCarthy has turned the conventional idea of human evolution on its head by putting forward a radical new theory suggesting that mankind is the result of a fateful encounter between a male pig and a female chimpanzee.

A leading authority in hybridization, Dr McCarthy has based this hypothesis on the fact that humans possess a great many features that do not correspond to those of any other known primate. Instead, he maintains that the common pig is the missing link in explaining where these traits came from.

"We believe that humans are related to chimpanzees because humans share so many traits with chimpanzees," he said. "Is it not rational then also, if pigs have all the traits that distinguish humans from other primates, to suppose that humans are also related to pigs? Let us take it as our hypothesis, then, that humans are the product of ancient hybridization between pig and chimpanzee."

There are many cases, such as when surgeons have used pig hearts and other organs for human transplant, in which pigs appear to be at least partly genetically compatible with humans. Could it be that pigs are a closer relative to us than we could have ever believed ?

"It might seem unlikely that a pig and a chimpanzee would choose to mate, but their behaviour patterns and reproductive anatomy does, in fact, make them compatible," said Dr. McCarthy. "It is, of course, a well-established fact that animals sometimes attempt to mate with individuals that are unlike themselves, even in a natural setting, and that many of these crosses successfully produce hybrid offspring."


Source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/258608/are-we-a-cross-between-a-pig-and-a-chimp
Full Story: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-30/science/44595591_1_humans-chimpanzees-traits


peace...
skywizard

[seehas]

just went by your local fast food restaurant and u wont doubt this theory anymore :cool:

[RMorgan]

"It might seem unlikely that a pig and a chimpanzee would choose to mate, but their behaviour patterns and reproductive anatomy does, in fact, make them compatible," said Dr. McCarthy. "It is, of course, a well-established fact that animals sometimes attempt to mate with individuals that are unlike themselves, even in a natural setting, and that many of these crosses successfully produce hybrid offspring."


This is nonsense...

They could have chosen to mate, but they would never produce offspring, since their genetic codes are completely different.

Another important thing is that, if we have common characteristics with chimps and pigs, it doesn't mean we descend from them; It just means we have a common ancestor. In the chimp's case, this common ancestor is much closer than in the pig's case, of course.

I think this article is a joke or a satire.

Raf.

[Hervé]

Actually, the reason pig's skin works so well as graft skin on burnt human is because there is compatibility between human and pigs tissues and, therefore, DNA... as for the chimps, well there is some resemblance...

So, instead of going on the wild goose chase set up by orthodox science from the get go of Darwin and the presumed evolution, why not take it in reverse and start looking from the opposite direction:

That is, that chimps and pigs are descended from humans and are human hybrids... anyone catching my drift?

[AriG]

" A chimp (singular) mated with A pig? Complete nonsense. Not from a hybridization standpoint, but from the suggestion that a chimp mated with a pig and produced a human. Like produces like in the natural world. Even in the case of F1 hybridization such as a mule ( with 99.99999% infertility rate) the odds of this type of implausible mating resulting in the planet's dominant species (us) is (pardon the pun) inconceivable.

Phylogeny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylogenetics) might be a plausible explanation, but me thinks that external genetic manipulation is more likely than a chimp/pig booty call.

[Skywizard]

I think this article is a joke or a satire.

Raf.

Just couldn't resist the thread... but hey look at Porky Pig, walks upright, has hands and even talks!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OdCx7pACI9M/TQg_x7Pw5LI/AAAAAAAAAH0/qY3bskzLQXg/s400/Porky+pig+cartoons+pictures+Porky+Pig.jpg:bolt:


peace Raf...
skywizard

[Carmody]

The 'story' goes that we are a reptilian beast of burden, semi-autonomous... and ...a food animal. The record shows some components of the food animal aspect, in the darker corners. one of not just meat, but energetics for semi-dimensionals, like the so called long lived reptilians.

Created approximately 500,000 years ago, via genetic manipulation.

After much data, and mixed in with that data..we get to the story of Enlil and Enki and their part in modern religions.

In those modern religions, we find Judaism,and Islam, which may have been a retaliatory Enlil creation.

Both, Abrahamic in origin.... forbid the consumption of pork.

then, we get to the semi-autonomous aspect, and the idea of war. Multidimensional... through time -----war.

We arrive at the duality layer aspect of being alive, as a human.

In my last life, i was not a particularly intelligent being, on this planet I was on, but one thing WAS clear, is that NO duality layer existed in me. I was in a state of full recall. But limited capacity to express.

Then we get to the books of Dr. Micheal Newton, and the books of Dolores Canon, and their understanding of the earth being both a school, a learning area, and in a condition of war.

Newton did mention the war..ONCE, on one page.

To have humans evolve and move beyond being a creation, beyond being a beast.

And all the contamination and environmental destruction, mental destruction, etc, is all aimed at stopping that evolution of breaking past the duality layer.

The duality layer aspect is near PERFECT for being a school for elevating the learning curve of dimensionals who can integrate with a biological.

For reptilian geneticists, who may have created a thinking beast for their own purposes, complete with barriers to autonomy and higher function, a desire to end this 'free for all' of earth surface populations, who have been running rampant. We hear many a tale of genetic experimentation and er..feeding. after all, the story goes that they have their own critter mix that they use as they may desire.

we also hear stories about this time aspect, how this point in time and in this sector is a bit critical, as something emerges here, something possibly 'unnatural', according to recent work in how life starts on planets, with our modern scientific analysis. How it follows a path and evolves in specific ways, unless it is interrupted and toyed with, for specific desires, which seems to be the case here, on 'earth'. That unnatural creation could be the human avatar, as we know it. Opportunity to move in many a direction, both good and bad, but..not normal. Not as intended, not as originally designed. extreme potential but duality layered. A semi-autonomous beast. Chimp and pig, possibly. (pigs learn to be housebroken about 3x faster than a dog, BTW, they are very smart)

All these different groups..apparently coming here, to this planet....seemingly as if...they want this particular genetic code and system. This particular avatar seems to fascinate them, how they want to integrate and hell, send back and test, in-situ (in the current human environment).

And the stories of ages before, that we are just the current crop. As for the genetic manipulation possibilities, the public science on it will be viable , probably in less than 10 years. In less than 10 years we will be able to make a human pig hybrid, a viable breedable one. And that is the public science. What has been going on in simple human black ops and deep corporate genetics? The odds are is that it is already far beyond the idea of a simple human hybrid that is breedable. (this paragraph is well into the factual, not speculative, so it should give you pause)


So, it may be a thing that both sides of this 'battle' like and cherish, but both want ended, for entirely different reasons and desires.. for entirely different ends. 'Going to the wars' to become a learned and seasoned being is a time honoured tradition on this world, this planet. As above, so below.


Hope that helps.

[Mu2143]

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[Carmody]

If domestic pigs are let into the wild in a moderate enough environment that they can survive, they will fairly quickly (not many generations) turn back into wild boars, complete with fur, markings, behavior, tusks, and so on.

[davyj0nes]

Perhaps there is a common ancestor to the pig, and chimpanzee. What i wonder about is if a pig and chimpanzee did mate all those years ago how would the mechanics work out. The pig is on all fours and the chimpanzee can walk on 2 legs. Perhaps something NatGeo can do a special on. I don't know how i feel about species cross breeding. Humans have been manipulating plants and animals for sometime with some measure of success, but out in the wild could a chimera survive? maybe, maybe not.

[meat suit]

A pig is a cross between Wild bore and a Human , so we can never be a cross between a pig and a chimp. The genetic mod was done before the last and final fall of Atlantis

that reads like its a fact, I take it its an opinion....

[shadowstalker]

Well, that's one desperate ape, what, he couldn't find a sheep??
sorry i couldn't resist

[PurpleLama]

Think pygmy chimps, the bonobo.... Those guys have a lot of procreative activity going on all the time, often as a way of just saying hello....

I have read the article, very scientific and credible, that the op is based on. I would not be so quick to dismiss this because it is an affront to one's sensibilities. Cross species hybrids are not always infertile, only that some of those more commonly known typically are.

I will try to get back to the thread and put up a link to the article. I showed the article to my wife, who is a biologist by degree, and, well, she won't buy pork products anymore, and at my house we refer to pork products as "cousin". The case is far more compelling than one might initially suppose.

[norman]

If the guy is a mainstream scientist, perhaps we should take his statement in a different direction.

How about, Pig Genes were merged with Ape genes, by ET. ?

I do very much see the pigginess in people, all the way down to having snouts in the trough :) , and those eyes, maaan, those eyes.

Hey, anyone know the whereabouts of Miss Piggy, I'd like to interview her. for her take on this.

[PurpleLama]

http://www.macroevolution.net/human-origins.html#.Up5SiidXjYQ

[Milneman]

Well, that's one desperate ape, what, he couldn't find a sheep??
sorry i couldn't resist

OY!

I could tell an off colour joke about scotsmen and sheep, but I'd rather not pull the wool over your eyes. I figured yewe would appreciate that. Ok this is too much of a yarn.

I've dated pigs. And apes. Ok that went too left field didn't it.....

[DeDukshyn]

A pig is a cross between Wild bore and a Human , so we can never be a cross between a pig and a chimp. The genetic mod was done before the last and final fall of Atlantis

that reads like its a fact, I take it its an opinion....

I also heard this somewhere, that this is in fact the real reasons why some of the older religions chose to refuse to eat pork -- although now within the religions, no one seems to really know why this is the case. But, evidence to prove this would be hard to find, unless genetically we can reveal that pigs are indeed "from" humans rather than the other way around. It holds some plausibility in my book, at least until there is better evidence.

I also read on someone who did hypnotic past life regression went back to a life in "Atlantean" times, and while she said nothing about pigs, she did say all sorts of genetic experiments with crossing dna of humans with many animals occurred, to give us our myths of centaurs and other persistent myths of half man half beast creatures.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

In response to Davyj0nes, and I hope this isn't too off topic, check out www.onezoom.org. In fractal form, they have mapped out the family trees of birds, mammals, reptiles, and amphibians. A really great teaching tool, and a lot of fun to check out. I'm looking it up now to check out swine in general.

http://www.onezoom.org

[PurpleLama]

I really miss cousin, I mean, bacon.

[RMorgan]

Guys...Just to be clear:

It's up to to author to back up his claims with genetic evidence; So far, he's got nothing.

However, I really doubt it would work...The difference between a pig and a chimpanzee are enormous.

A pig's got 38 chromosomes....A chimp's got 48.

Chimpanzees are members of the Hominidae family, along with gorillas, humans, and orangutans.....A pig belongs to the Suidae family...

The only thing they have in common is that they both belong to the mammalian class.

Anyway, I imagine it wouldn't be hard to test this sort of alleged hybridization in lab...If the man wants to prove his hypothesis, he should go for it.

[norman]

Guys...Just to be clear:

It's up to to author to back up his claims with genetic evidence; So far, he's got nothing.

However, I really doubt it would work...The difference between a pig and a chimpanzee are enormous.

A pig's got 38 chromosomes....A chimp's got 48.

Chimpanzees are members of the Hominidae family, along with gorillas, humans, and orangutans.....A pig belongs to the Suidae family...

The only thing they have in common is that they both belong to the mammalian class.

Anyway, I imagine it wouldn't be hard to test this sort of alleged hybridization in lab...If the man wants to prove his hypothesis, he should go for it.

I'm very much looking forward to. It would make a change from the usual fair.

[norman]

If domestic pigs are let into the wild in a moderate enough environment that they can survive, they will fairly quickly (not many generations) turn back into wild boars, complete with fur, markings, behavior, tusks, and so on.


I'd like to think that if humans were let into the "wild" in a moderate enough environment that they can survive, they will fairly quickly ( not many generations ) turn into wild beings, complete with higher sentience, personality, behavior, grace and magic.........

[Ellisa]

No norman, sorry, pigs that escape onto the wild turn into large and very scary wild pigs very quickly. They exist in the australian bush, escaped domestic pigs, and are enormous, highly intelligent, feral monsters! Cats do the same, turning into huge ferocious feral cats that eat all the little ground-dwelling animals as well as birds!

I thought that the reason for avoiding eating pig flesh was because the pig is the host for human tapeworm. Maybe another compatibility?

I agree with Raf and others. There is no way that human are descended from a direct hybrid of chimps and pigs, any more that humans are direct descendants of monkeys.

[norman]

No norman, sorry, pigs that escape onto the wild turn into large and very scary wild pigs very quickly. They exist in the australian bush, escaped domestic pigs, and are enormous, highly intelligent, feral monsters! Cats do the same, turning into huge ferocious feral cats that eat all the little ground-dwelling animals as well as birds!

I thought that the reason for avoiding eating pig flesh was because the pig is the host for human tapeworm. Maybe another compatibility?

I agree with Raf and others. There is no way that human are descended from a direct hybrid of chimps and pigs, any more that humans are direct descendants of monkeys.

I definitely don't buy the reproductive decendency thing at all. I DO think there is a space to think about ET interference though.

I've quite long thought that the stupid biffing and counter biffing between creationists and evolutionists is a false argument. I think they are both right. Evolution has a very credible base of fossil evidence to back it up. Also, Creation ! has a very credible "whistle-blower" body of evidence that it's actually what hapend to us modern humans, and, the fossil record really has nothing to contradict that.

I'm only suggesting that when ET funked with our genes, he might have thought another few species that like and thrive here would be a cool idea as well.

[DeDukshyn]

What about Human interference damnit! ;) .. why is it we must either give all credit or all blame to aliens these day?! Think there may be a plot to that?

More on my feelings about this here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66109-Thor-a-viking-god-or-ancient-alien&p=767072&viewfull=1#post767072

[DNA]

For all of the folks who are laughing due to the inference that hybridization was done through swine on monkey action, I don't think the claim is so outlandish if we allow an ancient alien factor into the whole equation and understand the possibility that alien physiology may not be compatible with earth survival. Especially in terms of the digestive system. Pigs and humans are two of the only animals on the planet that can eat almost absolutely anything organic that occurs on the planet.

[Carmody]

I really miss cousin, I mean, bacon.

mmm....cousin. The gateway meat.

[ghostrider]

Humans evolved first , then when Lyrians/atlantians came here and mixed with earth people , they mixed the DNA of humans with animals and one of their creations was apes ... man didn't come from apes it is the other way around ... genetic tampering , which led to the destruction of atlantis and lemuria ... The high council does not allow interference with an evolving human race, not by anyone ... even their own splinter group of space travelers that came to mars and then ended up on earth ... already the Plejaren/ancient Lyrians have supervised earth for a millenium ... they feel responsible for us for what their atlantian ancestors did on earth many years ago ...

[lunaflare]

How about, Pig Genes were merged with Ape genes, by ET. ?

Tend to agree with your above hypothesis, Norman.
Also reminds me of George Orwell's, "Animal Farm", whereby pigs soon became the walking characters of boozing, shmoozing dominating farmers...

[Bubu]

oink oink oink huu huu huu:confused:

[Bubu]

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Guys...Just to be clear:

It's up to to author to back up his claims with genetic evidence; So far, he's got nothing.

However, I really doubt it would work...The difference between a pig and a chimpanzee are enormous.

A pig's got 38 chromosomes....A chimp's got 48.

Chimpanzees are members of the Hominidae family, along with gorillas, humans, and orangutans.....A pig belongs to the Suidae family...

The only thing they have in common is that they both belong to the mammalian class.

Anyway, I imagine it wouldn't be hard to test this sort of alleged hybridization in lab...If the man wants to prove his hypothesis, he should go for it.

How about a hybrid of plant and bacteria, impossible???
http://www.philstar.com/opinion/2013/06/29/959536/bt-talong-field-testing-boon-or-health-threat

"impossible" apply to technology no more

[Mu2143]

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[Crystine]

Jesus Restores a Demon-Possessed Man

5 They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.[a] 2 When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him. 3 This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. 4 For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.

6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him. 7 He shouted at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”

9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”

“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.

11 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

14 Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. 15 When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 16 Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon-possessed man—and told about the pigs as well. 17 Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region.

18 As Jesus was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon-possessed begged to go with him. 19 Jesus did not let him, but said, “Go home to your own people and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you.” 20 So the man went away and began to tell in the Decapolis[b] how much Jesus had done for him. And all the people were amazed.
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Not sure but a good reason for our Jewish brothers and sisters to forego ham on their tables.
Footnotes:

Mark 5:1 Some manuscripts Gadarenes; other manuscripts Gergesenes
Mark 5:20 That is, the Ten Cities

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Aravah answered 2 years ago
answer: Kosher means "fit" - G-d said that pigs, shrimp, catfish, eagles, lions and other creatures aren't FIT to eat for Jews. Kashrut is the plural of kosher laws.

The laws of Kashrut are NOT about whether food could prepared properly in ancient times or not. It is about being aware of G-d on a daily basis and being different than those around us. By not being able to eat with non-Jews and (for men) looking different than the surrounding pagans of ancient times because of being circumcised, it made it much more difficult to assimilate into pagan cultures.

Specifically: pigs don't chew a cud and they have no neck, they can't be slaughtered in a humane and kosher manner

[Carmody]

Secrets to 'extreme adaptation' found in Burmese python genome (http://phys.org/news/2013-12-secrets-extreme-burmese-python-genome.html)

The Burmese python's ability to ramp up its metabolism and enlarge its organs to swallow and digest prey whole can be traced to unusually rapid evolution and specialized adaptations of its genes and the way they work, an international team of biologists says in a new paper.

Lead author Todd Castoe, an assistant professor of biology at The University of Texas at Arlington College of Science, and 38 co-authors from four countries sequenced and analyzed the genome of the Burmese python, or Python molurus bivittatus. Their work is scheduled for publication this week (Dec. 2) by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences along with a companion paper on the sequencing and analysis of the king cobra (Ophiophagus hannah). The papers represent the first complete and annotated snake genomes.

Because snakes contain many of the same genes as other vertebrates, studying how these genes have evolved to produce such extreme and unique characteristics in snakes can eventually help explain how these genes function, including how they enable extreme feats of organ remodeling. Such knowledge may eventually be used to treat human diseases.

"One of the fundamental questions of evolutionary biology is how vertebrates with all the same genes display such vastly different characteristics. The Burmese python is a great way to study that because it is so extreme," Castoe, who began working on the python project as a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Colorado School of Medicine in the laboratory of associate professor and paper corresponding author David D. Pollock.

Castoe said: "We'd like to know how the snake uses genes we all have to do things that no other vertebrates can do."

The new python study calls into question previous theories that major obvious physical differences among species are caused primarily by changes in gene expression. Instead, it contends that protein adaptation, gene expression and changes in the structure of the organization of the genome itself are all at work together in determining the unusual characteristics that define snakes, and possibly other vertebrates.

Pollock said the python and king cobra studies represent a significant addition to the field of "comparative systems genomics – the evolutionary analysis of multiple vertebrate genomes to understand how entire systems of interacting genes can evolve from the molecules on up."
He said: "I believe that such studies are going to be fundamental to our ability to understand what the genes in the human genome do, their functional mechanisms, and how and why they came to be structured the way they are."

The Burmese python's phenotype, or physical characteristics, represents one of the most extreme examples of evolutionary adaptation, the authors said. Like all snakes, its evolutionary origin included reduction in function of one lung and the elongation of its mid-section, skeleton and organs. It also has an extraordinary ability for what researchers call "physiological remodeling."

Physiological remodeling refers to the process by which pythons are able to digest meals much larger than their size, such as chickens or piglets, by ramping up their metabolism and increasing the mass of their heart, liver, small intestine and kidneys 35 percent to 150 percent in only 24 to 48 hours. As the digestion is completed, the organs return to their original size within a matter of days. The authors suggest that understanding how snakes accomplish these tremendous feats could hold vital clues for the development of treatments for many different types of human diseases.

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[RunningDeer]

This artist came to mind. Patricia Piccinni (http://www.uxusdesign.com/content/we-are-family-patricia-piccinini).


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Patricia-Piccinni_zps66ac8f6f.jpg

:focus:

[foreverfan]

Well, that's one desperate ape, what, he couldn't find a sheep??
sorry i couldn't resist

Ha... It wasn't an ape and I've got proof....

http://www.wtfcostumes.com/costumes/sheep_sex_costume.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_V5agSwxOIHE/SQvKBqQW5eI/AAAAAAAAA-Y/_c9ayLQH1-g/s400/counting+sheep.jpg

[DeDukshyn]

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... they can't be slaughtered in a humane and kosher manner


That sounds hilariously ridiculous to me. :confused: