What's Your Craziest Conspiracy?

[DNA]

What are your favorite Pet theories you have a difficult time generating discussion?

I was thinking about the fact that there are a few conspiracy theories I'm pretty alone on. Some of which I give a fair chance or better of being true but that, alas very few others agree with me.

I thought it would be nice if folks could share some of the things they have given a decent chance of being true, maybe a top five or so.

I'm sure some of you have some favorite pet theories you have heard but for some reason or the other are not very popular with folks.

Let's hear them. :party:

[DNA]

In no particular order five of mine would be.

1. The Lacerta Files, Interview with a female reptilian. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doFt-ME5YOQ)

2. The Billy Meier Contact Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8PjJq1UaNQ)

3. The research by Melba Ketchum indicating through DNA analysis that sasquatch is a 15,000 year old hybrid of human and ?. Which agrees with Edgar Cayce's statement in the book "Edgar Cayce an American Prophect" by Sidney Kirkpatrick that the creature known as bigfoot is a genetic creation from the days of Atlantis, a combination of human and brown bear DNA. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65924-Anunnaki-Genetic-Tinkering-and-Uncle-Bruce-s-Bigfoot-Encounter)

4. This story messed with my happy place so bad I had psychic indigestion for about a week. The Stewart Swerdlow version of the Montauk Project is so disturbing I would much rather it not be true (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wezFiW2x-s). If an argument could be made against Stewart's version of the story it would be that he should not be capable of retaining his sanity after what has taken place to and around him.

5. Anthony Sanchez's interview with Colonial X in regards to THE DULCE BASE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWOh5HU_5FM) and the history of the Annunaki and Greys given in that interview.

[Lancelot]

How about the one that Paul McCartney was killed by the CIA in 1966 and replaced with a stooge? Not as crazy as first it may seem when you study the photographic evidence of the pre and post 66 Paul and the fact he seemed to go missing for 9 months. The jurys out on this one as far as Im concerned but its always good to have an open mind!

http://www.checktheevidence.com/articles/Faul/Plastic%20Macca%20-%20Paul%20is%20Dead%20%20Faul%27s%20False%20Ears.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/beatlesandcoleman17oct09.shtml

http://www.whale.to/b/mccartney_h.html

[Carmody]

Not for public consumption.

[Mike]

DNA, ive always liked your theory about crypto creatures existing mainly on wildlife preserves or national parks. I don't really think it's crazy, but I'd love to see some discussion on it.

[Carmody]

DNA, ive always liked your theory about crypto creatures existing mainly on wildlife preserves or national parks. I don't really think it's crazy, but I'd love to see some discussion on it.

There is some coverage in the 'deep underground entrances' thread. (and associated threads)

[ghostrider]

mine is all these towers that are going up virtually overnight , cell towers , radio, radar , etc. that they are used to broadcast a signal that controls peoples emotional state of mind , playing games with peoples lives daily ...notice any strange towers in your area and didn't notice them before, like they were built overnight ??? they are every freakin where ...

[Robin]

I think that chewing gum is a form of mind-control. I think chemicals are placed in chewing gum that continue to fry somebody's brain as they chew it. I've noticed that when people chew it they tend to become mellow and gain an air of apathy...plus it makes them look like cud-chewing cows. Why do you think they advertise long-lasting flavor? It's so you continue to to swallow the chemicals from chewing it for the longest time possible. Remember, cows are part of a HERD (sheeple).

:faint:

"The gum-chewing girl and the cud-chewing cow
Seem somewhat alike, but different, somehow.
Ah, yes! There it is! I see it all now!
It's the thoughtful look on the face of the cow."

[Jeffrey]

2. The Billy Meier Contact Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8PjJq1UaNQ)

Heard the name before, never dug into it. This is very sychronistic, THANK YOU!

Oh man oh man oh man. Looking into this man's predictions, validating and fact checking now...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

What are your favorite Pet theories you have a difficult time generating discussion?

I was thinking about the fact that there are a few conspiracy theories I'm pretty alone on. Some of which I give a fair chance or better of being true but that, alas very few others agree with me.

I thought it would be nice if folks could share some of the things they have given a decent chance of being true, maybe a top five or so.

I'm sure some of you have some favorite pet theories you have heard but for some reason or the other are not very popular with folks.

Let's hear them. :party:

OP, I logged in just to reply to your thread (sorry for the recent absence/lack of time to post here!!).

I think the saddest modern conspiracy that I know of is "African Nodding Disease" (not to mention vaccine-related polio outbreaks in India!!!!).

The basic idea behind African Nodding Disease: it's a multiple-stage disorder that involves more than one factor.
Here is what you need in order to cause a child to come down with African Nodding Disease:

Ingredients of African Nodding Disease


~An Immune System Weakened by Malnutrition/chronic gut infection
~immature blood-brain barrier
~WHO/UNICEF vaccines
~Wolbachia Bacterial Infection (Please look into Oxitech mosquito experiments)
~Exposure to "river blindness" worms/Nematodes
~time for disease to progress


I first heard of African Nodding Disease in 2011, iirc.
Within one week I had determined that the bacterium Wolbachia was involved.
See, Wolbachia has a special property. I allows worms and other parasites to lives in mammalian hosts without the immune system recognizing them.
Apparently vaccinated kids are more susceptible to worms living in the body -- their immune systems would rather attack the brain cells around the worm than the worm itself.
Also when the nematode dies, it releases a chemical causing the immune system to destroy even more brain cells in the host.

Oxitech is using dengue fever as an excuse to perform illegal human experimentation in Africa by exposing innocent people to their GMO mosquitoes.
these non-native mosquitoes are regulated by the bacteria Wolbachia. This allegedly prevents them from breeding in the wild.
Unfortunately, the antibiotics in cat food, which many people erringly keep outside, kill the Wolbachia very well and mosquitoes will land on cat food when they can get it.
Therefore, the mosquitoes are effectively infecting humans and animals with Wolbachia, then purging themselves of the infection and reproducing in the wild.

Kids end up getting bitten, and if they don't get that weird Dengue hemorrhagic fever (covered up and called Ebola during Olympics), they get River Blindness anyway (but the severe childhood form is being called "African Nodding Disease").


I hope you guys understand some of that and why I am concerned about these "multi-stage" human experiments.
The corporate Nazis think that if they do a human test in stages, we won't recognize the whole.
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conspiracy theory #2: this is actually backed up by history.

I read about "The Morgan Affair" in the context of Freemasonry this week.
It talks about how the Masons burned down a man's brewery business in Canada and tried to set fire to a journalist's office.
Because William Morgan and his Miller friend (the newspaper man) were going to go public in regards to Freemason activities.

You want to know how capitalism got so big and evil? Just ask a Mason.
They took a page out of Nero's book and can logically be linked to arsons as long ago as 1666 London.
The king was kept out of the information loop during that devastating blaze by a London mayor who was partial to the Freemasons.
A Freemason named Christopher Wren (the most famous one aside from GW I think) starting rebuilding London as he saw fit within weeks of the deadly blaze.
Nostradamus himself predicted that an arson would occur in London in '66 and he was right -- it was not a natural disaster.

It happened again in Seattle this time, in the late 1890s. Masons came from hundreds of miles around to purchase and improve Seattle waterfront properties within days of the deadly blaze. Not to mention, once again, the mayor was involved with the arson and coordinated this amazing event while the Seattle fire chief was conveniently out of town. Kind of like when NORAD failed to respond to 9/11 in time. same thing.

I can't imagine how many minorities and non-Masons have suffered from coordinated destruction of wealth and resources over the years.
Because, like, obviously they would have let them join if they weren't trying to destroy them. right?

Anyhow, Sir Christopher Wren and Sir Isaac Newton might have been the most prolific ARSONISTS in modern history.
Nero has nothing on those boys.
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Next conspiracy: gasoline and the "non-renewable" myth.
I personally believe that petroleum-yielding substances are constantly produced underneath the surfaces of planets and moons that are still geologically active.
There is no big dinosaur graveyard or alien trash dump down there... it's all 100 percent a product of planet Earth's natural processes.
Not a "fossil" fuel. If it was, there wouldn't be gas and oil on places like Io. Is there or was there ever a dinosaur or plant on Io? Then where did the oil come from?
Short and sweet conspiracy.

Not to mention what happened to the Hindenburg. it probably contributed to a dependency on gas and oil.

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Disability Rights: another sad conspiracy

I feel that as autism rates and other diseases skyrocket in developed nations, there will also be a coordinated effort to reduce the amount of services and resources available to these hurting and dying people. We are already seeing this happen today, as respite homes are defunded and closed, and asylums are replaced by prisons.
ten years from now there might be an enormous struggle between medicine and the jail system, as all these ASD kids are fed through the adult system after they interface unsuccessfully with society.

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Last conspiracy:

capitalism is the cruelest joke ever foisted on Christians.
that system is simply incompatible with Christianity.

However it does give a person a very good opportunity to demonstrate proper behavior in the face of opposition.
I mean, really, Americans in California tried to prosecute immigrant Sikh worshippers for feeding American homeless people.
It's becoming almost illegal in our capitalist crap hole to practice christian values.
In fact the other religions are taking them over and soon we will fade into the darkness just like the religions of cave people.

unless someone help this change.

[Robin]

DNA, ive always liked your theory about crypto creatures existing mainly on wildlife preserves or national parks. I don't really think it's crazy, but I'd love to see some discussion on it.

I gave my take on this theory here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47280-Are-National-Parks-A-Cover-For-Underground-Alien-Bases&p=767404&viewfull=1#post767404). :)

[jagman]

I heard a good one on C2C a few weeks ago. A guy called in and said that when
he uses the bathroom's at gas stations or restaurants, he looks down into the urinals
and see's little silver minnows.He wanted to know if anyone else had experienced this
phenomenon? My best guess is the minnows are planning to take over lol

[mosquito]

Not so much a "conspiracy", more an offbeat theory: That we were created by aliens as a form of entertainment, a kind of galactic big brother. The UFOs are simply monitoring devices, and the aliens are sitting at home on planet Zog pissing themselves laughing at our collective stupidity.

[ponda]

Not so much a "conspiracy", more an offbeat theory: That we were created by aliens as a form of entertainment, a kind of galactic big brother. The UFOs are simply monitoring devices, and the aliens are sitting at home on planet Zog pissing themselves laughing at our collective stupidity.

They might have the 'interactive' version...

http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/box/6/5/9/588659_4283_front.jpg

http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090501204903/matrix/images/thumb/9/92/Enter_the_matrix_%282003%29.jpg/250px-Enter_the_matrix_%282003%29.jpg

[Tesseract]

Alien base on the dark side of the moon. It would make sense to put it there, they could have a forward station for observing us for literally tens of thousands of years without the risk of being discovered. Completely untouchable.

I first read about this claim on a website in 1999 - the same website said that HIV was a man-made virus and that it could be killed by very low frequency radiation. A few years later I read that scientists had killed HIV in blood transfusion samples by irradiating the blood with very low frequency radiation. So, I have to wonder if the moon theory has weight..

[DeDukshyn]

mine is all these towers that are going up virtually overnight , cell towers , radio, radar , etc. that they are used to broadcast a signal that controls peoples emotional state of mind , playing games with peoples lives daily ...notice any strange towers in your area and didn't notice them before, like they were built overnight ??? they are every freakin where ...

In our city they went up over a single year -- literally hundreds and hundreds of them. From each one at least two or three are in eyesight. Since then I have noticed a difference in the city. The subtle energies I used to feel are just "gone"; they can no longer be felt very well at all, unless I drive at least 45 minutes out of the city now.

That's one of mine as well, but not a major one of mine :)

[ghostrider]

How about the one that Paul McCartney was killed by the CIA in 1966 and replaced with a stooge? Not as crazy as first it may seem when you study the photographic evidence of the pre and post 66 Paul and the fact he seemed to go missing for 9 months. The jurys out on this one as far as Im concerned but its always good to have an open mind!

http://www.checktheevidence.com/articles/Faul/Plastic%20Macca%20-%20Paul%20is%20Dead%20%20Faul%27s%20False%20Ears.htm

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/beatlesandcoleman17oct09.shtml

http://www.whale.to/b/mccartney_h.html

I say Paul Mccartney live when he last played a concert here in Tulsa , I noticed he looked 30 yrs old and his voice hadn't changed at all ... hmmmmm He sang just exactly as good as his first day ... at his age he went non-stop for two hours ... he did awesome on that song from the 70's ( My Love ) ... it didn't click until you made mention of the clone , I thought I was the only one who noticed but , out of respect for the beatles I never spoke about ...

[ghostrider]

mine is all these towers that are going up virtually overnight , cell towers , radio, radar , etc. that they are used to broadcast a signal that controls peoples emotional state of mind , playing games with peoples lives daily ...notice any strange towers in your area and didn't notice them before, like they were built overnight ??? they are every freakin where ...

In our city they went up over a single year -- literally hundreds and hundreds of them. From each one at least two or three are in eyesight. Since then I have noticed a difference in the city. The subtle energies I used to feel are just "gone"; they can no longer be felt very well at all, unless I drive at least 45 minutes out of the city now.

That's one of mine as well, but not a major one of mine :)

A co-worker and I count them on our way to work everyday , and we get angry when we find new ones , they keep building them and no one notices , we don't even notice cranes , some of them would take HUGE cranes to build them , and yes they are usually in groups of three with their own power sub station that is not marked by any official markings ...

[Crystine]

mine is all these towers that are going up virtually overnight , cell towers , radio, radar , etc. that they are used to broadcast a signal that controls peoples emotional state of mind , playing games with peoples lives daily ...notice any strange towers in your area and didn't notice them before, like they were built overnight ??? they are every freakin where ...
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At a wedding a few years ago I noticed a guest that did not, even one time,
take off his stocking cap. Inquiring of my nephew, why!
It seems that that particular guest was already ready for these towers.
His head was wrapped in tin foil.
Thought it funny at the time. Not so funny any longer.

[DNA]

Alien base on the dark side of the moon. It would make sense to put it there, they could have a forward station for observing us for literally tens of thousands of years without the risk of being discovered. Completely untouchable.

The end all be all in my opinion on the this subject is Ingo Swann's Penetration (free pdf online) (http://archive.org/stream/PenetrationTheQuestionOfExtraterrestrialAndHumanTelepathy/Penetration_Ingo_Swann#page/n3/mode/1up) Ingo discusses what he thinks has been an ongoing coverup in that regard going pretty far back. Also, he talks about remote viewing the moon (Ingo invented remote viewing) and seeing just such beings as you speak of. The only problem was, the beings he witnessed in such a base on the moon could see him in his noncorporeal state. This all takes place on the darkside of the moon. It starts on page 21 (http://archive.org/stream/PenetrationTheQuestionOfExtraterrestrialAndHumanTelepathy/Penetration_Ingo_Swann#page/n29/mode/1up) of the link I gave you and gets really good on page 25 and he sees what appear to be humans on page 33.
Axelrod is the Government agent who drafted Ingo for his talents.

I could go on and on as to why I think Ingo seeing beings on the moon is interesting.
Mostly because the being was human and the being seemed to possess ESP or telepathy of sorts.
Ingo has a chance encounter with a being very much like this in the USA, California while at the grocery store. A human not of the average stock, Ingo calls her an alien. I had a situation almost identical to Ingo's, but I do not know if we can call these folks aliens. The interaction begins on page 43 (http://archive.org/stream/PenetrationTheQuestionOfExtraterrestrialAndHumanTelepathy/Penetration_Ingo_Swann#page/n48/mode/1up)



DNA, ive always liked your theory about crypto creatures existing mainly on wildlife preserves or national parks. I don't really think it's crazy, but I'd love to see some discussion on it.

I think ancient humans not aliens are who mostly live in these underground bases under national parks, state lands and wild life preserves.
I think these ancient humans have telepathic abilities such as what Ingo describes above in his chance encounters and I think this can be so unnerving to folks as to provoke the reaction of labeling them aliens. But I do not think they are aliens any more than we are.
I think these folks have been involved in genetic manipulations for thousands of years. I think they have certain genetic human hybrid creations that serve as guards and servants. I think this is the case with Bigfoot and this is why Bigfoot defies so many explanations. Bigfoot doesn't need a population large enough to maintain procreation because he is probably made in a test tube. Bigfoot's bones are never found because he doesn't die in the wild.

[Hervé]

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The only problem was, the beings he witnessed in such a base on the moon could see him in his noncorporeal state. This all takes place on the darkside of the moon.

[...]

... which would make it a strong argument for the case that a "soul" can indeed be captured... and the Moon being one of these space-based implant stations...

Ain't that a "crazy" conspiracy "theory"?

[Crystine]

DNA, ive always liked your theory about crypto creatures existing mainly on wildlife preserves or national parks. I don't really think it's crazy, but I'd love to see some discussion on it.

I gave my take on this theory here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47280-Are-National-Parks-A-Cover-For-Underground-Alien-Bases&p=767404&viewfull=1#post767404). :)
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In regards to HERE

Samwise were you ever a StarTrek fan? One of the last movies involved using a regeneration bomb. Then they sent Spocks coffin down.

[DNA]

How about the one that Paul McCartney was killed by the CIA in 1966 and replaced with a stooge? Not as crazy as first it may seem when you study the photographic evidence of the pre and post 66 Paul and the fact he seemed to go missing for 9 months. The jurys out on this one as far as Im concerned but its always good to have an open mind!

I remember when I first heard this when I was a kid and really didn't give it a chance.
Since then I've heard some compelling stuff.

The story I've heard is that the original Paul died in a car accident and rather than leave all of that crazy money on the table a winner of a Paul McCartney look alike contest was found.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4McYkNXFQY

Also in addition to all of the songs that give the hints mentioned in the video above
I always thought the song "band on the run" sounded like an admission from William Campbell of his living Paul McCartney's life.


band on the run paul mccartney and wings lyrics

[Robin]

DNA, ive always liked your theory about crypto creatures existing mainly on wildlife preserves or national parks. I don't really think it's crazy, but I'd love to see some discussion on it.

I gave my take on this theory here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47280-Are-National-Parks-A-Cover-For-Underground-Alien-Bases&p=767404&viewfull=1#post767404). :)
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In regards to HERE

Samwise were you ever a StarTrek fan? One of the last movies involved using a regeneration bomb. Then they sent Spocks coffin down.

I'm a bit of a youngin' so I never got into the old Star Trek series. I have, however, seen the two most recent Star Trek films. I wouldn't necessarily call myself a fan though...

I'm a Lord of the Rings nut!

[Hummingbird]

Great thread DNA, mainly because of your second post which im digging into.

One that has always interested me but has little info that i have found is the Titanic conspiracy. In that 3 of the richest men in the U.S would not sign on to the federal reserve when it was trying to infiltrate in the early 1900's, and they all were supposedly on the titanic.. if this story is true, it had a huge impact on HIStory

[Hummingbird]

DNA, ive always liked your theory about crypto creatures existing mainly on wildlife preserves or national parks. I don't really think it's crazy, but I'd love to see some discussion on it.

David Paulides is an expert researcher on the topic of disappearances in national parks, the forest service he said blocks him in different ways from investigating

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/03/25

[Milneman]

1. KFC changed their name from Kentucky Fried Chicken to KFC because they are using chickens that are genetically modified to be featherless, hence they have put thousands of pluckers out of business. Unluckly pluckers.

2. The Gay Agenda. We're trying to take over, obviously, because heterosexual people just don't know how to dress. And young people are far more easier to corrupt than old priests...I mean old people.

(oops, out loud typing)

3. Crop circles are actually created by three guys named Bobby-Jo, Billy Bob, and Jim-Bob, using a piece of plywood and 3" nylon rope. The last circle they created was a miracle considering it took them 25 minutes to make the circle and over 4 hours to collect all the beer cans. Made people as far away as Regina take up and notice that one. Crop circles in Yorkton of all places (btw...I'm not saying I have and I'm not saying I haven't made crop circles, just saying...I mean not saying).

4. Project Serpo.

5. The Evil God Challenge by Dr. Stephen Law. Yup, that actually did keep me awake all night...and it took an entire year to figure out how to poke holes in it. Might post that here actually!

Good thread! Epic thread!

[norman]

http://prof77.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/sheep-dog-trials-im-telling-you-the-man-and-the-do11.jpg
I’m telling you – Government and Monsanto are definitely working together . . .

[DNA]

mine is all these towers that are going up virtually overnight , cell towers , radio, radar , etc. that they are used to broadcast a signal that controls peoples emotional state of mind , playing games with peoples lives daily ...notice any strange towers in your area and didn't notice them before, like they were built overnight ??? they are every freakin where ...

I have to admit the mind control conspiracy freaks me out a little and I'm a tad guilty of putting my head in the sand like the proverbial ostrich on this subject.

I think the easiest route to mind control is through the subtle energies of the human aura, and this unfortunately is what it appears they are doing with the cell phone technology.

I have heard through interviews with Stewart Swerdlow and Preston Nichols that this is the main pursuit of the Montauk Project.

This is an oldie but a goody and it starts off with Preson Nichols talking about cell phone technology and it's application for mind control technology.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmUSzJ4fCu8

[DNA]

I think that chewing gum is a form of mind-control. I think chemicals are placed in chewing gum that continue to fry somebody's brain as they chew it. I've noticed that when people chew it they tend to become mellow and gain an air of apathy...plus it makes them look like cud-chewing cows. Why do you think they advertise long-lasting flavor? It's so you continue to to swallow the chemicals from chewing it for the longest time possible. Remember, cows are part of a HERD (sheeple).

:faint:

"The gum-chewing girl and the cud-chewing cow
Seem somewhat alike, but different, somehow.
Ah, yes! There it is! I see it all now!
It's the thoughtful look on the face of the cow."

I absolutely believe a version of this that I believe you are alluding to, and it's one of the conspiracies that has taken me the longest to jump on board with.

I think it has a lot to do with that old saying by Mark Twain.

It's easier to fool people than convince them they have already been fooled
I think that quote gains momentum the longer you have been fooled.

The truth can come to us from the strangest of places. I received a triple blast of truth, a Kevin Trudeau book (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDEQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hcgdiethealth.com%2FInformation%2FKEVINTRUDEAUvsDrSimeons.pdf&ei=G0-jUv6zGs-QyQGW7oDABg&usg=AFQjCNFSxArV8kWhG9X_4z9SiFft_mJO6Q&sig2=ZGM56crR-WgqnLsx8a9mTA&bvm=bv.57752919,d.aWc) which stated there was a conspiracy to keep people unhealthy so as to maximize profits in a pharmecutical and Corporate Food Production cycle.
Folks may trivialize Kevin and state he is a profiteer of sorts, but the guy has nailed it, in a sort of way.
The other was the 1967 work, "Report From Iron Mountain" (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/08PDF_Files/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf) where it is stated through a top notch think tank that peace is not good for the economic state of the world, nor are medical cures and or any new technological means to increase life span.
Now as if this wasn't enough, I then picked up Val Valarian's Matrix Books.

Bill has made the Matrix Books Available Via PDF here on Avalon (http://projectavalon.net/Valdemar_Valerian_Matrix_I-IV.zip)



Matrix III Volume One begins the initial discussion of the various elements of population control through the deliberate misuse of biological organisms, all the way from the very concept of disease to the covert production of biological weapons under the guise of various government programs. Incredible data. There are sections discussing biological warfare, a beginning treatise on the nature of the immune system (carried to further detail in the second volume), a short review of the paradigm of vaccination (also brought into deeper focus in the second volume), a discussion of the spread of neural fungi, zoonotic diseases and veterinary biology, viruses (both human and non-human), and revealing data on who runs the major drug and chemical companies and just how interconnected it all is.

The section on electromagnetic mind control in Matrix III Volume One has no equal anywhere in the world. The groundwork is covered in relation to the use of the electromagnetic spectrum, the deliberate historical suppression of the hyperspacial nature of electromagnetics (the so-called Hertzian Conspiracy), and a host of data on advanced mind control applications that goes far beyond anything you have ever seen before. It is this material which brought this book into planetary popularity.

The book discusses the new electronic networks, the secret behind the use of the cellular telephone systems, mind control projects (two pages of projects are listed), and the manipulation of the earth grid. There is more data on the Montauk projects than any single book in existence, including the individual books released years later. Interspaced with all of this data, there is a host of supplementary material, interviews and revealing information. The apparent plans for total planetary domination, economic and otherwise, are discussed, including plans for a one-world religious control system, the objectives of electronic mind control and the GWEN system, schools of thought contributing to the mind control paradigm, and research.

[Robin]

I also think that GMOs are a causing factor of both acne and crooked teeth.

Why is it that indigenous peoples of third world countries who do not clean their teeth, who do not eat GMO food, have healthier teeth than those living in first world countries? I also have never heard of acne being prevalent one or two centuries ago!

Acne and crooked teeth are becoming more and more prevalent world-wide, and I think GMOs have something to do with it. I do not have the evidence...but I think just looking at photos, watching videos, and reading books about tribes in New Guinea are very convincing for this theory.

[pumashared]

some people are not gonna agree with me but i think the current conspiracy about 9/11 isnt true. thats not to say the government wasnt involved with it but i think the evidence for 9/11 was staged.
why i say this. lets say your a government and you want to pull a conspiracy. you know many conspiracy theorist will dig into something happening like 9/11. so then you plant fake evidence to lead them to a false conspiracy theory while your main conspiracy theory is hidden because everyone is looking at the big events of the conspiracy theory

anways i suck at explaining it but thats just mine

[Robin]

some people are not gonna agree with me but i think the current conspiracy about 9/11 isnt true. thats not to say the government wasnt involved with it but i think the evidence for 9/11 was staged.
why i say this. lets say your a government and you want to pull a conspiracy. you know many conspiracy theorist will dig into something happening like 9/11. so then you plant fake evidence to lead them to a false conspiracy theory while your main conspiracy theory is hidden because everyone is looking at the big events of the conspiracy theory

anways i suck at explaining it but thats just mine

Could be. There are many different conspiracy theories on 9/11, however. Which one are you talking about? What do you think actually happened?

[pumashared]

some people are not gonna agree with me but i think the current conspiracy about 9/11 isnt true. thats not to say the government wasnt involved with it but i think the evidence for 9/11 was staged.
why i say this. lets say your a government and you want to pull a conspiracy. you know many conspiracy theorist will dig into something happening like 9/11. so then you plant fake evidence to lead them to a false conspiracy theory while your main conspiracy theory is hidden because everyone is looking at the big events of the conspiracy theory

anways i suck at explaining it but thats just mine

Could be. There are many different conspiracy theories on 9/11, however. Which one are you talking about? What do you think actually happened?


not too sure if you seen the movie loose change buts basically the argue that 9/11 was set by the government to create a war with middle east for Oil. they present alot of great evidence about how the planes were not the reason the buildings came down but rather a demolition crew took both towers down. they have bunch of more papers out there. i think this theory is biggest and most known conspiracy theory out there.
my argument is that i believe the evidence that they present were left by the government on purpose to satisfy those who want a conspiracy theory. by leaving small evidence they can make sure you take the bait and not look more into their bigger agendas. im not too sure what those agendas are?

[GNC Harteveld]

My absolute craziest theory is that planets are made out of large spaceships and all metals and rare earth materials are part of their structure. These materials always seem to be clustered together and highly conductive metals like gold are found in veins. Ancient rocks are also part of the structure somehow.
Take uranium for instance, if you go back 4,5 billion years it's powerful enough to power a nuclear reactor right out of the ground.
You have mountains and places that are named really weird like 'Ararat' which supposedly means 'piece of the gods'. Now what if Noach didn't land his ship on it but the mountain was the ship?

You asked for it. ;)

I love thinking of this kind of stuff even if it doesn't seem to make any sense. Once you've determined you've been lied to Occam's razor is out of the window and anything goes.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Great thread DNA, mainly because of your second post which im digging into.

One that has always interested me but has little info that i have found is the Titanic conspiracy. In that 3 of the richest men in the U.S would not sign on to the federal reserve when it was trying to infiltrate in the early 1900's, and they all were supposedly on the titanic.. if this story is true, it had a huge impact on HIStory


Hey you!

I thought I read somewhere that the moon wasn't really out on the night Titanic had its little accident.

In fact, some people reported seeing something that looked like "black ice" -- not the towering iceberg in the tall tales, but a short round dark object, only just above water level.

This made me wonder about submarines.

Even the ancient Romans and Greeks knew about the advantage of being able to ram an enemy vessel.

And Jules Verne/Nicola Tesla had been writing about electrically powered and unmanned vehicles for years before Titanic sank.

Have you heard of the book "Futility", written less than 20 years before Titanic sank? By Morgan Robertson I think.

The ship in the book was called "The Titan"...

It's ironic that the Britannic was also smacked by something in the water. People today say it was a mine, but the people on the boat were pretty clear that it felt like an impact with another vessel.

Food for thought... Titanic may well have been taken out by a submarine with a ramming prow. Because of the reasons you mentioned and others.

Tesla's financier died on that ship.
One of the reasons I feel the need to tell his story. :( lol

p.s. 100 years later, a law was passed forbidding people to investigate the Titanic site because it's "historical"... i.e. they don't want us looking at the truth.

In fact I thought I also read that currently the metal was breaking down so fast it would be only a matter of time before it's too late to tell the truth.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Olympic#Hawke_collision

Olympic's first major mishap occurred on her fifth voyage on 20 September 1911, when she collided with a British warship, HMS Hawke off the Isle of Wight.

The collision took place as Olympic and Hawke were running parallel to each other through the Solent. As Olympic turned to starboard, the wide radius of her turn took the commander of the Hawke by surprise, and he was unable to take sufficient avoiding action.[29]

The Hawke's bow, which had been designed to sink ships by ramming them, collided with Olympic's starboard side near the stern, tearing two large holes in Olympic's hull, below and above the waterline respectively, resulting in the flooding of two of her watertight compartments and a twisted propeller shaft. HMS Hawke suffered severe damage to her bow and nearly capsized. Despite this, Olympic was able to return to Southampton under her own power, and no-one was seriously injured or killed.[14][30]

[Milneman]

I gotta new conspiracy theory. You're gonna love it.

AYN RAND is channeling jointly through both Tesla and myself.

There may be a joint novel in the works. Just saying.

Carry on.

[GNC Harteveld]

Now that a good example why you should get medicare. :)

[Mike]

I also think that GMOs are a causing factor of both acne and crooked teeth.

Why is it that indigenous peoples of third world countries who do not clean their teeth, who do not eat GMO food, have healthier teeth than those living in first world countries? I also have never heard of acne being prevalent one or two centuries ago!

Acne and crooked teeth are becoming more and more prevalent world-wide, and I think GMOs have something to do with it. I do not have the evidence...but I think just looking at photos, watching videos, and reading books about tribes in New Guinea are very convincing for this theory.

Might be something to this. I worked in hospitals for a number of years, and I was always shocked at the state of many of our patients teeth: missing, rotten, burnt black gumb lines, excessively small teeth that appear to never have matured etc..

I'd often look upon these patients with great curiosity, always wondering to myself what I'd have to do exactly for my own teeth to reach such a state. And i concluded that it would take *effort* to reach such a sorry state of affairs. For example: How does someone who is not quite 50 years old have no teeth? Or very few teeth? I reckon I'd have to fall asleep nightly with a mouthful of jellybeans for 10 yrs straight for that to happen.

If youre born with funky teeth you can hardly be faulted. But if you neglect those funky teeth and allow them to literally rot out of your mouth...that's just...well...disgusting. but even with neglect, some of the cases I saw were still shocking. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if GMO's were at least partially responsible

[panopticon]

The world is governed by a network of transnational corporations (www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0025995). The concept of the Nation-State was created as a transitional arrangement to remove individual rights and place the responsibilities of governance outside of individual action through the adoption of centralised control via either variants of Communism or representative democracy. This has been so successful that even the mention that representative democracy is a control structure produces a negative reaction from those listening/reading.


We have been taught to compete for resources so as to keep us under control. Would be much more beneficial to cooperate but that wouldn't be of any benefit as a means of control.


Now for a bit of fun:


The world will one day end and this date has only been correctly predicted by one bloke: Seamus Egbert the 3rd. He revealed this date to only 3 people over a few bottles of Jameson's back in 1987.


The rapture occurred during October 1914 and we are living in paradise as illustrated below:

http://jwfacts.com/images/1914-pyramid-chart.jpg


Cabbage is the work of a dark force and is the cause of most physical and psychic ailments. It leads to a disruption in the surrounding auric field of not only the cabbage consumer but also those who come into contact with them. That is why it's used in fast food (particularly burgers) as an additive and its close relative rapeseed (ie canola) is used in some cooking oils (don't get me started on the hexane (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexane) used in the industrial extraction process).

http://www.crystalinks.com/auramerging.jpg


Online computer games are being used to desensitise the young so that in a generation gladitorial events can be viewed live as a means of entertainment.


Children don't know where their food comes from and in a generation not only will they be happily watching people being slaughtered on the interlink they will also be so disconnected from their food sources that they will be able to be fed the losers in a promotional burger.


Nothing written by Marlo Morgan is based on anything even remotely resembling reality. Not really a conspiracy theory, more of a fact.

I think that will do for now. :rolleyes:

-- Pan

[DNA]

I also think that GMOs are a causing factor of both acne and crooked teeth.

Why is it that indigenous peoples of third world countries who do not clean their teeth, who do not eat GMO food, have healthier teeth than those living in first world countries? I also have never heard of acne being prevalent one or two centuries ago!

Acne and crooked teeth are becoming more and more prevalent world-wide, and I think GMOs have something to do with it. I do not have the evidence...but I think just looking at photos, watching videos, and reading books about tribes in New Guinea are very convincing for this theory.

There is actually something to what you are saying, but from what I understand the GMOs are of the first variety going back to the beginning of the neolithic revolution some 12,000 years ago.

I remember hearing in an anthropology course that the reasons for the robust jaw lines and plenty of room for wisdom teeth and what not was because native peoples of Africa, The Americas and Australia were eating difficult to chew food because they were still participating in hunting and gathering. This meant animals that were not domesticated for soft flesh nor grains such as rice and wheat to create easy to chew food items such as bread.

This theory states that the more advanced societies that have participated in farming for 10,000 plus years could sacrifice jaw capacity because they didn't absolutely need it for survival. The foods on these farms are in fact the result of genetic modification, just the slow variety of continuing to select the most productive plants and animals for using in creating the next crop.

What Chinaski is talking about sounds to me like a very possible case of drug addicts. Crystal meth depletes the calcium in the teeth and jaw and causes rotting, and heroin causes folks to have their teeth fall out as well.

I am not poopooing this line of thought though, I absolutely agree GMO foods are causing all kinds of problems.
I heard one is in pigs who are fed a strict GMO diet. These pigs when slaughtered cannot have their intestines used for sausage and what not because it falls apart at the touch.

[pumashared]

I also think that GMOs are a causing factor of both acne and crooked teeth.

Why is it that indigenous peoples of third world countries who do not clean their teeth, who do not eat GMO food, have healthier teeth than those living in first world countries? I also have never heard of acne being prevalent one or two centuries ago!

Acne and crooked teeth are becoming more and more prevalent world-wide, and I think GMOs have something to do with it. I do not have the evidence...but I think just looking at photos, watching videos, and reading books about tribes in New Guinea are very convincing for this theory.

Might be something to this. I worked in hospitals for a number of years, and I was always shocked at the state of many of our patients teeth: missing, rotten, burnt black gumb lines, excessively small teeth that appear to never have matured etc..

I'd often look upon these patients with great curiosity, always wondering to myself what I'd have to do exactly for my own teeth to reach such a state. And i concluded that it would take *effort* to reach such a sorry state of affairs. For example: How does someone who is not quite 50 years old have no teeth? Or very few teeth? I reckon I'd have to fall asleep nightly with a mouthful of jellybeans for 10 yrs straight for that to happen.

If youre born with funky teeth you can hardly be faulted. But if you neglect those funky teeth and allow them to literally rot out of your mouth...that's just...well...disgusting. but even with neglect, some of the cases I saw were still shocking. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if GMO's were at least partially responsible

there is huge ammount of evidence that our processed food these causes our teeth to go bad. i believe there is a documentary called The Beautiful Truth where they talk about how a dentist in the 50s visited a very secluded tribe in the amazon forrest and he quickly learned that none of them had bad teeth and yet nobody had ever heard of brushing their teeth.
but the dentist did not know why they had perfect teeth. since the dentist was not used to eating the nativs foods he had brought his own stash of "processed foods" that he consumed. the curiosity of the native was great and they requested to taste his food. of course the taste was great but soon the dentist noticed a cavities starting to appear in the natives teeth in less than a month.

his conclusion was that our foods are the reason we have bad teeth

[Realeyes]

"What's Your Craziest Conspiracy?" - Great title for a thread.

I would have to say

ME! :twitch::dizzy::bump2:

It's been a maze of mysteries - and ongoing......

[Cognitive Dissident]

This is a great thread!

I am not sure if this has been mentioned previously, but the Brittany Murphy death is pretty high up there for wierdness.

http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/06/hollyweird-conspiracy-did-homeland.html

http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2013/12/hollyweird-conspiracy-update-brittany.html

Bear in mind that the DHS whistleblower Julia Davis was on Veritas I think 6 months prior to this story going viral on the MSM recently, and she talked about Brittany and her husband.

When I say wierd, I mean, all the more wierd because it is backed up by a true story. Only question is, when will Julia's story get the same level of coverage?

[DNA]

Next conspiracy: gasoline and the "non-renewable" myth.
I personally believe that petroleum-yielding substances are constantly produced underneath the surfaces of planets and moons that are still geologically active.
There is no big dinosaur graveyard or alien trash dump down there... it's all 100 percent a product of planet Earth's natural processes.
Not a "fossil" fuel. If it was, there wouldn't be gas and oil on places like Io. Is there or was there ever a dinosaur or plant on Io? Then where did the oil come from?
Short and sweet conspiracy.

Not to mention what happened to the Hindenburg. it probably contributed to a dependency on gas and oil.

I agree, but that doesn't mean the earth is capable of making oil at the rate we are depleting it.

Bloom gives all the research and facts in this video that detail the fact that Alcohol, good ol fashion Moonshine can and is far more economical to use as a gas than petroleum.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogcv9xS8Pkw

[Milneman]

Ooooo conspiracy about that video. Dum dum daaa.
See the swastika in the tapestry on the right side of the podium?

The Nazis are behind Alcohol as Gas!

:suspicious:

[DNA]

Ooooo conspiracy about that video. Dum dum daaa.
See the swastika in the tapestry on the right side of the podium?

The Nazis are behind Alcohol as Gas!

:suspicious:

Well, I guess now that you say it there could be an abstract swastika in the picture behind Blume. But in this case I can pretty much promise you the nazis are not behind or connected with Bloom. If anything Bloom is trying to help free us from nazis who came over during project paperclip, took over our country through the CIA and are now continueing their control though the petro-dollar.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

The suppression of the secret super duper sweet and shy Daryl Hannah.

YvCA3nuiLko

[Milneman]

Ooooo conspiracy about that video. Dum dum daaa.
See the swastika in the tapestry on the right side of the podium?

The Nazis are behind Alcohol as Gas!

:suspicious:

Well, I guess now that you say it there could be an abstract swastika in the picture behind Blume. But in this case I can pretty much promise you the nazis are not behind or connected with Bloom. If anything Bloom is trying to help free us from nazis who came over during project paperclip, took over our country through the CIA and are now continueing their control though the petro-dollar.

And so begins the point, counterpoint, and so the conspiracy grows. :) Genesis of...the absurd. hehe

[DNA]

Not so much a "conspiracy", more an offbeat theory: That we were created by aliens as a form of entertainment, a kind of galactic big brother. The UFOs are simply monitoring devices, and the aliens are sitting at home on planet Zog pissing themselves laughing at our collective stupidity.

I do believe this was an episode of South Park Called "Cancelled".

Stan, Kyle, Kenny and Cartman find out earth is just one big intergalactic reality TV Show and it's about to be cancelled. (http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s07e04-cancelled)

[pine boy]

Chemtrails drive me absolutly crazy.

[Jeffrey]

2. The Billy Meier Contact Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8PjJq1UaNQ)

Heard the name before, never dug into it. This is very sychronistic, THANK YOU!

Oh man oh man oh man. Looking into this man's predictions, validating and fact checking now...

Alright, here's what came up.

The Billy Meier Case by Independent Investigations Group. (http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/)

Billy Meier - The Ultimate truth? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?49633-Billy-Meier-The-Ultimate-truth)

Raises many red flags and casts suspicion on the entire case.

[DNA]

Great thread DNA, mainly because of your second post which im digging into.

One that has always interested me but has little info that i have found is the Titanic conspiracy. In that 3 of the richest men in the U.S would not sign on to the federal reserve when it was trying to infiltrate in the early 1900's, and they all were supposedly on the titanic.. if this story is true, it had a huge impact on HIStory

This was the first time I had heard this, and it came on the heels of hearing that Andrew Jackson had an assasination attempt on his life for refusing to institute the first form of the federal reserve. The would be gunman had two pistols that failed to go off, so Jackson was spared but the gunman who was taken into custody made his motives known.

From Rense.com (http://www.rense.com/general86/pres.htm)The whole Article is pretty kick ass


Andrew Jackson

Andrew Jackson was the first President from west of the Appalachians. He was unique for the times in being elected by the voters, without the direct support of a recognized political organization. He vetoed the renewal of the charter for the Bank of the United States on July 10, 1832.


In 1835, President Andrew Jackson declared his disdain for the international bankers:
"You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning."<http://www.servelec.net/lincoln.htm#8>8
There followed an (unsuccessful) assassination attempt on President Jackson's life. Jackson had told his vice president, Martin Van Buren, "The bank, Mr. Van Buren, is trying to kill me...."<http://www.servelec.net/lincoln.htm#9>9

Was this the beginning of a pattern of intrigue that would plague the White House itself over the coming decades? Was his (and Lincoln's) death related by an invisible thread to the international bankers?

[Shezbeth]

For me the craziest theory - and one I cannot disprove - is that where every existence is coopted by forces that are situated to prevent anything but predation. I'll expound.

The idea that no matter which direction one turns, what philosophies and intellectual schools one prescribes to, or the preconceptions or ideologies, one is enabling themselves to be subject to parasitic entities who have situated themselves for the maximum extraction of resources from the individual.

The idea that whether sincerely/in" benevolent or malevolent, there are entities tapped in and extracting. The one about how no matter what one's convictions (including but not limited to enlightenment, et al) there is someone/thing taking everything and devouring/resourcing.

Where the individual, no matter how much or how little one exalts one's self in however manner possible, is opening themselves to the predation of entities which (no matter how good they make a person's experience) have had centuries/millennia to perfect their craft to prevent the escape of the awareness no matter the process one prescribes to.

[DNA]

For me the craziest theory - and one I cannot disprove - is that where every existence is coopted by forces that are situated to prevent anything but predation. I'll expound.

The idea that no matter which direction one turns, what philosophies and intellectual schools one prescribes to, or the preconceptions or ideologies, one is enabling themselves to be subject to parasitic entities who have situated themselves for the maximum extraction of resources from the individual.

The idea that whether sincerely/in" benevolent or malevolent, there are entities tapped in and extracting. The one about how no matter what one's convictions (including but not limited to enlightenment, et al) there is someone/thing taking everything and devouring/resourcing.

Where the individual, no matter how much or how little one exalts one's self in however manner possible, is opening themselves to the predation of entities which (no matter how good they make a person's experience) have had centuries/millennia to perfect their craft to prevent the escape of the awareness no matter the process one prescribes to.


This is my theory on the matter. Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Parasites (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings)

As the myriad of material life we see on the surface of this planet thrives in robust diversity we must accept one commonality that repeats itself over and over again, and that is that life on this planet is parasitic to free living on a ratio of 4 to 1 [DISCOVER, Vol. 21 No. 08, August 2000]. With that in mind, the cryptic message of the Emerald tablet has a significant message. If non-organic life, non-material non-organic life forms exist, and, I have to think that most likely they would, wouldn't they hold some similarity, some likeness to the life that has evolved organically? I think they would.

Non-corporal parasitic life forms are mentioned in the ancient text known as the Tibetan Book of the Dead which speaks about the "Pretas" which translates loosely to "hungry ghost" which because of their non-admittance into a post life abode, must roam the earth in search of food, in it's energetic form, and that form can only be found in the body's of the living.

The Taittiriya Upanishad is an ancient Hindu text, and one of the most venerated by the Yogis of India, for it describes the five subtle bodies all humans posses. This information is vital if you're a yogi, or deep meditation practitioner, for, just as an electrician needs to know the lay out of unseen wires within a structure's walls, so to does the seeker of personal healing need to know the lay out of personal configurations that are the root of personality and ways a spiritual energetic parasite could manipulate our ego's and emotions into letting go of that with which is our birth right. The Taittiriya Upanishad describes the five affected bodies with which our untouchable immortal soul resides. It would be like the core of the earth we could compare to our soul, which is within the mantle of the earth, then the crust of the earth, then the breathable atmosphere of the earth, then the unbreathable atmosphere of the earth and then the electromagnetic shield of the earth. Those five bodies are as follows.

1. Anna Maya Kosha: The body made of physical matter

2. Prana Maya Kosha: The body made of vital energy

3. Mano Maya Kosha: The body of thought energy

4. Vijnana Maya Kosha: The body of higher intelligence

5. Ananda Maya Kosha: The body of mystical awareness

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2lvydQOlQG434iRxqP1sZy2s6vvg-jnaGw5Xnra0i-9-vWRYe&t=1

These parasites I speak of would target the energy body, and attempt to steal energy away from it. How this is done I don't know, but, I suspect that through the process we emphasis our physical body made of matter and our body of thought energy, thus leaving our body of higher intelligence and our body of mystical awareness to atrophy.

I also think our totality is made more susceptible to attack when we perpetuate sins against the soul, and these could range from lies and thievery to murder. I'm no bible thumper, but, it seems there is truth in this.




Now folks always have a pet theory about who is the apex Boogeyman in this conspiracy but I have found quite a bit of data that indicates it's more than any one group.



For the sake of simplicity I'll break up astral entities that siphon energy off people into 4 classes.

Lesser Elemental Beings

Like the parasites/bacteria that exist in a persons intestinal system, there are elemental beings that siphon off energy from a human that operate in a similar way a Remora fish siphons food off of sharks and other sea creatures. These types of elementals are not malevolent in intent, they are simply living there lives as they are meant to, feeding off life and playing their role in as they should in there own course of development. Sometimes there presence can be beneficial, as they can siphon off any excess energy that would cause health problems if not properly balanced in your field. Virtually everyone has some of these critters attached to them at one point or another, when removed they should not be harmed, as they are not highly intelligent and have no concept of what a human being is.

Earthbound Humans

People who have lost their spiritual identity and cling to life and the pleasures they associate with it. Usually the po/ body intelligence has become too strong while they were alive and has dominated the motivations, and perspective of the individual into a entirely materialistic view. Usually the individual will have some sort of addiction and will siphon off energy from people in the flesh that have the same addiction. Also in this class, but extremely rare is the black magician who tries to strengthen the po to give immortality to the lower self, and will practice some form of vampirism to replenish its energy. All the old tales of vampires and ghouls fall into this class.

Negative Lower astral entities

A demon would generally fall into this class, as would other semi intelligent astral beings that willfully/deceitfully feed off of the corresponding elemental essence in a human being. The typical concept of a demon would feed the off unchecked fire within a human being that creates blood lust, murderous thoughts etc. I have never seen a reptilian as such, but if they do exist, i suppose they would be at the higher end of this spectrum. Just to note, beings in this class are intelligent/powerful enough that they can assume any form they wish to try to deceive you.


Gods

Gods that feed off the life and control those who are less powerful and intelligent than they are. this is somewhat beyond me but i have had run in's with forms of evil beyond my comprehension. I think this picture sort of gives you a idea.

[frozen alchemy]

Not necessarily a craziest conspiracy, but one that just popped into my head a few months ago in one of those synchronicities I've learned to pay attention to.

I'd been reading some of the old NICAP files and they have a gold mine of old books and letters there, including two by Donald Keyhoe. His inner circle included a lot of Air Force men who were in on the original discussions about UFOs and what to do about them. Lots of insight into the times, what the higher ups were thinking, and the fact that they came within days of telling the public about the whole thing; the generals were terrified that the numerous UFOs were the beginning of an invasion, and already there had been several false alarms of the things coming quickly over the Arctic Circle and DEFCON alerts with them thinking that the Russians were attacking. The Russians had the same problem.

I thought, what if the Cold War was a hoax conjoured up by the top brass on both sides in order to prepare for a possible alien invasion and allowing them to spend freely on nuclear weapons, the only possible weapon that could be effective against such an unknown and technologically superior foe? I'm not saying the entire Cold War was a hoax, or that the lower levels would not have thought all along that that is what was going on, only that those with the highest security clearances might have been in on a nifty way to hide lots of expenditures... including the money they needed for reverse engineering the technology from reputed downed and captured craft.

If you think about it, the entire war against the Commies, (the Godless Commies!) was a feat of paranoid fear mongering. How would you go about actually defeating an enemy that has decided in their own country to have a different economic and political system than you favor? By an arms build-up? By threatening to bomb them with so much radioactivity resulting that your own country would be ruined by the fallout (not to mention if they get in few hundred bombs on your territory before they're 'defeated'?) It makes no sense. You can't fight an idea with bombs. You would think even the least sane General would have realized that expending a nation's treasure for that reason was a fool's errand.

You can, however, out of sheer terror, decide to build up a massive defense armament against an unknown enemy and make a deal behind the scenes with your other 'enemy' for them to do the same thing, just in case. Once Reagan gave his speech about 'sometimes I wonder' whether the US and Russia wouldn't cooperate if they were faced with a deadly enemy from out there, and the USSR fell, all of a sudden we get the new boogieman, terrorism, which will never be defeated because it keeps moving around and changing faces. Again, good excuse to spend money, we know not where...

[GNC Harteveld]

Some things i kinda think is possible (i believe nothing).

The stuff on Mars is made by humans (us) that traveled back in time.

I believe the moon is made up of spaceships that were built in the astroid belt and put together as our moon or even just crushed together and let gravity do it's part. It just seems more logical than towing the whole thing into place.

I believe that science fiction is more true to life than what most people accept as their reality. I believe these ideas are fed to us through media and entertainment for purpose unknown. Maybe to discredit it or maybe to climatize us for an upcoming change.

I believe humans started out as perfect robot like beings. through mutation and evoluting or 'devoluting' depending how you look at it we became sentient, emotional and creative beings but also prone to sickness and less powerful.

Chemtrails are there to make the invisible visible.
What do chemtrails do? They blanked the sky with a reflective material. This reflective cloud is disturbed by whatever flies through it and this can be measured via dopler radar. It is even possible that the material sticks to the hull and counteracts stealth technology.
So maybe it's to spot stealth airplanes or even invisible U.F.O.'s.
Or maybe nano technology transmitters to track whatever they sticks to.

[DNA]

I thought, what if the Cold War was a hoax conjoured up by the top brass on both sides in order to prepare for a possible alien invasion and allowing them to spend freely on nuclear weapons, the only possible weapon that could be effective against such an unknown and technologically superior foe?

This is basically what John Lear states in his famous John Lear Disclosure Briefing. It's a really good way to spend ten minutes of your time.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIww04s4IEA

[DNA]

Chemtrails are there to make the invisible visible.
What do chemtrails do? They blanked the sky with a reflective material. This reflective cloud is disturbed by whatever flies through it and this can be measured via dopler radar. It is even possible that the material sticks to the hull and counteracts stealth technology.
So maybe it's to spot stealth airplanes or even invisible U.F.O.'s.
Or maybe nano technology transmitters to track whatever they sticks to.

I really like this. I have speculated along those same lines. What you state kind of reminds me of this letter sent to Wendelle Stevens.



taken from-

Contact from the Pleiades



**********

LETTER FROM A SECURITY AGENT:



Wendelle C. Stevens

Lt. Col., USAF (Ret)

Care of:

GENESIS 3 Publishing Inc

P.O. Drawer JJ, Munds Park.AZ 89017

Dear Mr Stevens

A friend of mine, Tom Farr, dropped off a copy of MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES. I found it very Interesting. Tom had previously given me another book about Billy Meier, which was also interesting.

The following is information you might find interesting. The American Government did what could be called an extensive soft touch investigation of Billy, when he first attracted public attention to himself, to find out if the contact was in fact for real. The Decision was in his favor. It was extensive investigation, because of the unusual features in Billy´s case.

Billy, as an individual, and a citizen of another country, had an American intelligence gathering organization look him over from ass hole to appetite. He passed the inspection rather well, but has not gone off the deep end, as predicted by the personality profile done on him. It of course goes without saying that he had the intelligence gathering community of his own country look him over.

The American investigation was of the light touch vanity (forfenglighet), meaning use no force, make no scars, and leave no traces of the investigation. Which is to say play tourist, pack a camera, and take a lot of pictures, tell a lot of lies, and ask a lot of questions. Host countries(vertslandets-) intelligence systems get pissed(lei), if they catch you screwing off on their turf. So do not accuse us of any break-ins, and that type of thing, because it happened back in the days when Billy was in fact liberal with what he gave away. Your book indicates that he has up-graded his record keeping since the early days.

In the other book on Billy there was a big deal about the films, and having them tested. In one specific incident the film tested was believed to be a copy, and not the original negative as Billy thought. Sorry about that. The way we got copies of Billy´s pictures was by paying off the man who handled the film processing for Billy. The man simply ordered a second set of pictures for us, and a second copy of the negatives, at an attractive profit, and the man often had copies made for himself. In a couple of cases we took the original copy of the negative, for the type of lab checks that you wanted to make.

We also sent some garbage film through to the same processing company by the same store, under Billy´s name, to keep the boys doing the film processing honest. We did establish that there was a little hankey pankey going on at the processing plant, and/or in the mail some place. Someone else was getting off with the first copy of the negatives most of the time. Several times, according to the experts, our copy of the negative would be about the fifth one.

All intelligence communities are well aware that vast volumes of bull **** comes and goes in the UFO contactee game, as part of turf(dekke) but pictures make strong evidence, which is almost impossible to fake. Because pictures are the quickest way to find who in fact is telling the truth, they often get stolen. Or, why screw around with the bull ****, when the proof is in the film. The Intelligence gathering people are also aware of how to intercept mail, and bribe (bestikke) store owners. When the bribe was set up we did not know how agreeable Billy was going to be about passing out samples.

In the book you touched on one of the most important of all things about UFO´s, and may not have realized the true importance, to the history of UFOs, in what you said.

Page 219; "The visitor anticipated............and they immediately associated them with the Anti-Christ, of Christian literature and wanted nothing more to do with the situation."

The problem that Billy had with Karl Veit of Wiesbaden, is the key to understanding most of the American Government and Western Europe Government´s approach to UFO´s. In 1945, when it was first proven that UFO´s were real from space, operated by intelligent being, most of whom where human in form, the American Government did a soft touch check to see what the great unwashed public would say, and how the public would respond to UFO´s, and space people, if the President informed the public over National radio.

The results of the investigation would truly frost a thinking mans´ balls. The public´s response was all bad. 97% of the public took one of two approaches. Shoot first and ask questions later. Or call the UFO´S agents of the devil, the prince of the power of the air, the ant-Christ, and set up an even worse situation, where UFOs would became a real negative religious issue. What was surprising was the response of the Religious leadership, which was by far worse than the general public´s response. It could only be called grim news.

The science community showed no leadership at all, just a super case of stupidity, and prejudice.

As you might guess, the original investigations were by military men, under orders from General Marshal, under the direction of the President. And if you know your military men, finding one who wants to get into a fight with the preachers, over what is, or is not the Anti-Christ, when neither the military man, nor the preacher know a hell of a lot of factual information about either the Ant-Christ, or the UFOs, would be a lot like sending a blind person out to spot UFO´s. Just as soon as the blind man spots the first UFO, the military will get into the fight with the preachers over the Anti-Christ.

To say that the military seriously avoided the potential conflict with the religious community would be an understatement. To say that the military community successfully avoided a fight with the religious community over UFOs would be an accurate observation. To say that the military was real damned sneaky (fordømt lusket) about how they informed the public about UFOs, would also be an accurate observation.

The military mind will draw conclusions that the religious mind will not. The military mind quickly figured out that if the UFO´s wanted to take over the world, they had the speed, science, and fire power to do so. Hence, the military concluded UFO´s were working by other rules. The general nature of the rules the individuals in the UFOs would be working under, could be projected, based on previous contact records, however skimpy the records.

In other words, the military figured it was a safe assumption that the UFOs would not radically change their actions in modern times, but would stick with the casual and miss system of the past.

The military mind drew one conclusion. The single most important thing to do in the situation it was in, namely sitting on some hot, highly controversial information, was to keep the general public from a bad response by controlling the public´s response to UFOs. In other words keep that damned religious mentality out of the issues involved, as long as possible.

But, do not ever say that the military never did anything about informing the public about the existence of UFO´s. That will mean you have not figured out the methods used by the Government to spread the word about UFOs. You might say the military took the Bible´s advice about not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

The Military pulled the very same trick that Moses pulled, when he did not like the attitude of his troops, after crossing the Red Sea. He took the time to grow a new batch troops, who´s response and thinking was more to his liking. And that is what the military did about UFO´s.

The military also found a problem as bad, or worse, than the religious mind. Have you have ever noticed, Scientist are about as bad as the preachers, when it comes to UFO´s? Especially in the old days. What you missed is the little detail that Scientist, of the old pre-UFO school, got their basic concept of the Universe from an insane preacher: A Catholic Pope. That basic concept is the idea that man is alone in the Universe, and the only intelligent life in the universe.

Going into the dark ages all societies leaving records, in any amount, left some kind of UFO record. Those that left verbal histories left verbal records of UFOs. In effect it was known prior to the Dark Ages that man was not alone in the Universe, that other intelligent beings were out there screwing around. Even the damned cave and rock drawings show UFO activity.

The Greeks and the Romans also knew that the world was round. The Greeks had even tried to measure the size of the earth using wells and sun light.

The insane Catholic Pope decided that he was the most important thing in the Universe, and that the Universe revolved around him. The basic idea that the world was flat was imposed upon the world by an insane Pope, which in effect made the earth the Center of the universe.. That Pope also expanded on the powers of the Pope, in effect saying that he was not only at the center of the Universe, he was all that was good, smart, and holy at the center of the Universe.

That pope also pitched the idea that man was alone in the Universe. That of course left the Pope the smartest man in the Universe. When the Science-Religion fight of the early science days started, science in general won out. The one idea that the Scientist took from an insane Pope, which they loved as an idea, and used as there very own idea, was the idea that man is alone in the Universe. The idea that man is alone in the Universe, if valid, would the make Scientist the smartest, and best educated beings in the Universe. The Science community´s response to the coming of UFOs, and the possible drop in status from the smartest thing in the Universe, was somewhat worse than the religious communities response to UFOs. UFOs rather obviously, put the modern scientist in the position of being a backward person in knowledge, on a backward world. And farther insulted the scientist, by not bothering to make any contact with him. Few, if any of the scientist involved gave up their status, as the smartest and best educated beings in the universe, willingly. Most of the older ones died with that idea in their head. The idea, man was the only intelligent life in the Universe.

The existence of UFOs - truly lowers the status of the religious and scientific leaders of the world. They resisted such a lowering in their status, particularly the scientist. And here I should clear something up. Mention the word intelligence gathering community, and most people go into some kind of potty training shock, and think they have gone back to messing their pants, and are about to be caught at it. Doing what is called spying on people is an expensive and time consuming operation, generally involving a lot of people. It is surprising how many people think that they have some kind of secret, that makes them worth spying on. Casual surveillance, or simple information gathering, can be done much cheaper. The total amount of information needed, to make a high degree of accuracy decision, about someone like Billy, is in fact not as much as a person would imagine.

In effect, in the early days, if you showed up at Billy´s place, knowing enough about good manners, to bring as much food as you eat, wash as many dishes as you get dirty, and just help around the house, or yard a bit. It was possible to get all the UFO information desired from Billy, and be treated as a respected guest.

Looking into Billy with a professional eye will quickly show that there are a couple of things, which are not "totally normal" for this type of contact. The screw ball hours, and the many changes in location, make it somewhat different from most contacts, which generally proceed on a casual, but regular bases, with some consideration for the contactee. Billy probably holds the record for more bad weather contacts than anyone else. His case has some screwball features, but it had some very good pictures.

In a shared UFO information pool with other Countries, including India, it was noticed that Billy got his contacts whenever a woman, the Indians were watching, was missing. It was speculated that Billy´s female contact could have been one of two women that the India authorities were watching. One was a tall dark haired woman with a very fair completion who, according to what the Indians could find out had been working an area for about 200 years. The other woman was a short, some what dumpy blond, with kind of a flat face. Every time the dumpy blond left India, Billy had a contact. Because the Indian surveillance was of the soft touch type, and far from complete, nothing was ever established. But, for a period of about 2 to 3 years there was a one-to-one relationship between the blond leaving India and Billy having a contact.

And there is something else you might figure out, or work on. It is Billy stumbling onto Military men looking at his contact sites. For all their science, the clowns in the UFO do not always work out every thing to perfection.

As a military officer you were exposed to a few classes in physics. As the book says about the rocks and the gold, the physics are the same, this world, or some other. That means that what is known, about physics here, will also apply up there.

The UFO is has a power source, which is obviously related to gravity, and electro magnetic properties of physics. That is all packed into a small space and effects the world around it. Add to that some cloaking device, and a few stray things, and you have a ship, which will give off a few things in the line of radiation. If the dogs can spot the UFOs, then use dogs, which we did around some military and science bases In the early days. If the TV flutters when one comes by, start from there for making a detection device.

It logically follows that about the time that the Governments got into the business of knowing about UFOs, they also got into learning how to detect the things, when they flew by. And it was a dog, who´s action told us that flying saucer had clocking devices. It did not turn out to be all that hard to make a detection device. The Swiss Government has such devices and obviously uses them.

The last time I had anything to do with such devices, which was a long time ago, and the devices where physically very large because their radios had vacuum tubes, they could be rigged to do several different things, and the American Government was screwing with a model that would give the general direction the UFO was traveling. By now they could be the size of a pack of smokes, and give direction along with the make and model of the UFO. me In the late 50s we could define between about four types of UFOs based on how they effected our devices. If I remember some of the information coming out of Billy´s area, the DALs would normally send out a couple of other ships to scout the area, some time several days in advance, before the contact ship showed up. At that time the devices the Swiss had, could tell the difference between the two types of ships normally used. It could also tell the difference between several of the small ball-shaped probes that might be sent out.

I know it to be a fact that the Swiss Government has contact with Space people. But, like all such contacts, the restriction on who knows about it comes from space. The Swiss in fact probably have the best contact of any country in the world. But, that is speculation on my part.

And here I might should add something. Within the Governments of the world, how many I do not know, but based on the patterns, probably most of the reasonable governments, there has been contact from space. But, within any government there will exist two possible sets of information. Those who study UFOs, from the ground looking up, and trade some types of information some times, and those who are in the direct contact position. The two are not necessarily the same person, or department.

I know it to be a fact, having talked to a man who made the trip with him, that Ike had dinner on a space ship. I also know that the Queen of England has been on a space ship, once for medical treatment.

You mentioned something in passing that was interesting. It was your being "spied" on. I have no idea as to who is doing what to whom in your case. But, I do know that there was once a proposal put out to step on UFO investigators, and contactees a little bit, to keep the field from expanding too much, so the real contacts would not be lost in the pure bull ****.

As some one who has been in government, you can probably spot the conflicting, and over lapping authorities, that tend to keep showing up in cases like your self. You never out right ask the question, "what the hell´s Naval Intelligence doing in UFOs, but if you do, they were the "initiating authority" in the solution to the problem of the old FOO Fighters of WW2, and the boys who proved UFOs were from space. Once an Intelligence gathering community gets the initiating authority status in a field, especially if the job is dumped onto them, they are damned hard to pry out of that field.

Within the structure of the American UFO community there are a lot of stories running around. If you ever have the time and the chance, or inclination, you might look up the one piece of semi-hard evidence about a crashed UFO. It is the Brownsville, Texas saucer, which was a very old case. Dating back to right after WW2.

That ship came wobbling by Army Air Force base going about ten miles an hour. They first picked it up on radar, when It was about 40 miles away, which gave them vast amounts of time. Then with field glass as It approached, and finally as a visual. They had enough time that they were able to get a chase plane up in the air to follow the saucer to where it crashed, about ten miles deep in Mexico. Their first action was to get a parachute rigger into a plane, and jump him out over the crash site with a stencil and a can of Red Paint, to mark USAAF on the side of the saucer, so we could claim it was ours - in case the Mexicans showed up.

That ship was dragged back to the US by a cat. It left one hell of a skid trail. From the ground the skid trail can not be seen, because the government paid some Indians $5,000.0O0 to replant the ground. and hid all traces of that drag trail. But it can be seen from the air.

If seen from the air, it will be a very straight line that is almost due North and South. At the South end of the skid trail, there is an East-West gully, and just South of the gully is a small ridge, or very little hill. The small hill has a north south ridge on it. The saucer came to rest on the East side of that ridge up against the slope of the hill, or at the base of the very little hill.

Because the drag trail could be seen from the air the Indians were hired to make other trails on the ground, as a confusion factor. The true drag trail is the only straight one in the group.

This letter is long enough. Lots of luck with what you are doing.

Respectfully .....................(name deleted)

[GNC Harteveld]

That's all sound logical.
I love logic, even when it's fuzzy. :)

Another one:
Last week i was looking at a picture of our galaxy and suddeny realized that it looked like all stars spiralled out of the center, like a sprinkler on your lawn.

http://ak5.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/2985994/preview/stock-footage-lawn-sprinkler-splashing-water-over-green-grass.jpg

[Robin]

I think that chewing gum is a form of mind-control. I think chemicals are placed in chewing gum that continue to fry somebody's brain as they chew it. I've noticed that when people chew it they tend to become mellow and gain an air of apathy...plus it makes them look like cud-chewing cows. Why do you think they advertise long-lasting flavor? It's so you continue to to swallow the chemicals from chewing it for the longest time possible. Remember, cows are part of a HERD (sheeple).

:faint:

"The gum-chewing girl and the cud-chewing cow
Seem somewhat alike, but different, somehow.
Ah, yes! There it is! I see it all now!
It's the thoughtful look on the face of the cow."

Here's a pretty good article to shed further light on this conspiracy fact:

Nearly all gum and candy contain either toxic GMO corn syrup or nerve-disrupting aspartame (http://www.naturalnews.com/043556_GMO_corn_syrup_nerve-disrupting_aspartame_chewing_gum.html#ixzz2qmBoblb4)

[GNC Harteveld]

Recent studie showed that the galaxy may have formed ‘inside-out’.
http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/gaia-eso-data-show-milky-way-may-have-formed-inside-out-and-provide-new-insight-into-galactic

Next step: our solar system.
What if it was formed 'inside out' as well?

[GNC Harteveld]

Information is separate from space/time/energy.
The information of particles is part of a dimension without space-time.
All information about the universe is basicly gathered in one 'spot' outside space-time and accessible from any point in space.
It might even be so that because there is no time you can access all information about the universe's past, present and future.
You can 'virtually' travel though the universe without moving and maybe even by manipulating the information manipulate matter.
You can monitor everyone and everything even if it's totally inaccessible like the inside of a star or even a black hole.

[naste.de.lumina]

Mine is this.

All Current European Nobility descendent of the 'House of d'Este' - Elongated Skulls (Royalty)

Princess Ginevra d'Este - 1435-1445 - Artist Pisanello
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Pisanello_016.jpg/450px-Pisanello_016.jpg

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