Do you think schizophrenic people are mentally ill.....

[AMystic3434]

Is hearing voices a mental illness? If more people listened to the silence would they also hear the voices. They say if ancient tribes if some one showed signs of hearing voices he would be put in training to be a Shaman. But I guess our society deals with it differently.

[Them]

I'd imagine there's different circumstances, some definitely involving mental illness, wouldn't you? It would be irresponsible to say anything else. And some societies killed those who heard voices, no?

[Wind]

Define mental illness. I would say that western society is largely mentally ill, at least many of our leaders are certainly insane.

I think that schizophrenic people might be tuned in to other dimensions and they have no control over it, there are good spirits and then there are not so good spirits talking to them. Spiritually empty and confused western society doesn't understand the phenomenon so people who hear voices will be pumped full of medicines and they will be locked up to a nuthouse. I've seen it firsthand and from what I hear, some of the people in the mental institutions are actually more enlightened than the doctors who treat them.

[Mu2143]

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[RMorgan]

Come on man...

Do you really know what schizophrenia is?

Hallucinations (visual, auditory, tactile, gustatory) are just part of the symptoms.

Schizophrenia is much bigger than that....It's a terrible and extremely sad disease.

You can read more about it here:

http://www.schizophrenia.com/diag.php

Please, do some research before making such kinds of posts.

Only people who deal with schizophrenia inside their families know how terrible this sickness really is...Only those who have witnessed how it transforms perfectly normal people into complete lunatics, in a matter of months, know what schizophrenia really is.

Anyway, if you don't "believe" schizophrenic people are mentally ill, just go to a mental hospital and ask to see their schizophrenic patients. Many of these hospitals are open to visitations; Socialization is often part of their therapy.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Good question, an even better question is why is there a 3th ear present, like why is there a 3th eye present.

[Arak]

Define mental illness. I would say that western society is largely mentally ill, at least many of our leaders are certainly insane.

I think that schizophrenic people might be tuned in to other dimensions and they have no control over it, there are good spirits and then there are not so good spirits talking to them. Spiritually empty and confused western society doesn't understand the phenomenon so people who hear voices will be pumped full of medicines and they will be locked up to a nuthouse. I've seen it firsthand and from what I hear, some of the people in the mental institutions are actually more enlightened than the doctors who treat them.
Was about to answer something like this, but Wind said it perfectlyalready. I just might add that people who hear voices actually HEAR those voices. They are not just imagination as their ear sensory parts of the brain activate as like someone "real" talking to them.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Is hearing voices a mental illness?

If that person is not in control of the "on/off" button, it is.

[Hazel]

Responsibly and well said



Is hearing voices a mental illness?

If that person is not in control of the "on/off" button, it is.


And so it is...

[grapevine]

Here's a wonderful video from Eleanor Longden for those who haven't already seen it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syjEN3peCJw

One of the things that Eleanor points out in her book, "Learning from the voices in my head", is that there is no diagnosis for mental illness, which is purely a Psychiatrist's opinion. She further points out that 30 years ago there were only a small number of mental disorders, but today there are hundreds of others and the list is growing daily. Theoretically any of us could be sectioned. Here is a link to the Wikipaedia list of mental illnesses and disorders.

Whether schizophrenia is a mental illness or not, it is certainly misunderstood by most of us.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_illness_(alphabetical_list)

[RMorgan]

Just watch this short video and take your own conclusions if schizophrenia is a mental illness or not...

Four Patients with Schizophrenia

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[spiritwind]

Is hearing voices a mental illness?

If that person is not in control of the "on/off" button, it is.

I think that kind of captures it. I have a step-dad who has been institutionalized for many years due to schizophrenia. My sister, his daughter, has been diagnosed with bi-polar and is in the hospital as of about 2 weeks ago for the third time since her original diagnoses several years ago. In her case, her ex-husband uses it to keep their daughter away from her. Then I have another friend and mentor from many years ago who had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and had been suffering for many years and was not doing well even with medication. Now, I'm not sayin anything here folks. But, in her case, she went to a very good Shamanic Practitioner who did some serious work in the spirit world for her, and I can tell you from my own personal experience of having known her many years that she no longer suffers from any type of mental illness (and takes no medications).

In my step-dads case, I can tell you that when our mom died in 1993 we all went to her house I guess for a period of grieving and supporting one another. At this time, my step-dad pulls out an old photo album. Okay, no big deal. People reminisce and that's fairly normal, but then he gets to these pictures from his childhood. His dad used to beat the you know what out of him and THEN took pictures of the abuse. So, he has these pictures in there of himself at about 6-8 years old with black eyes, cuts and abrasions on his face, and he's showing them to us like no big deal. So, of course, yes, perfectly seemingly normal people can and do in many cases probably develop mental illnesses that really do have a component of imbalance in the brain or a brain injury. I did get a degree in psychology so I do know a little bit about how the brain works. I have also taken a different approach when talking to him (although it's been many years since I did talk to him). When he started on his "crazy talk", like saying my nephew is possessed by the devil and on and on, I just ask him to tell the voices, since they have nothing good to say, to shut the F up. Everybody else just acts so weird around him, like walking on egg shells. Plus, according to his daughter, she thinks he's actually getting well, which does sometimes happen after many years of suffering in their older years to just not have any symptoms anymore. Then there are even some cases that have a dietary component that can mimic many symptoms. So, I would just say, one diagnoses can mean many different possible causes. One size does not fit all. At least so far in my experience. I've actually known quite a few people who suffer from this terrible condition.

[greybeard]

I have a friend who suffers from this and yes its a mental illness.
If he takes the medicine its manageable--if he rebels or forgets to take then he locks himself away and dosent answer the phone.
I had to get the Police out twice to check he was still alive --then he got sectioned (mental hospital) until balanced again.
When he is on the medicine a nicer guy you could not wish to have as a fiend--more normal than most.

Chris

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Here's a wonderful video from Eleanor Longden for those who haven't already seen it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syjEN3peCJw

One of the things that Eleanor points out in her book, "Learning from the voices in my head", is that there is no diagnosis for mental illness, which is purely a Psychiatrist's opinion. Se further points out that 30 years ago there were only a small number of "mental", but today there are hundreds of others and the list is growing daily. Theoretically any of us could be sectioned. Here is a link to the Wikipaedia list of mental illnesses and disorders.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_illness_(alphabetical_list)

Voila, the perspective that is ALSO needed, better yet, once deciphered the code behind the messages from her innermost being, they can also do your homework for you, so not only in this example does it voice grievances or is just observing, it has its own conciseness outside of space and time, giving the answers to exam questions means access to the answers, so did she study well and did it use her own memory flawlessly or does it roam around in libraries or other minds digging for something usefull, or can it be called digging if it a straightforward form of communication or just consciousness osmosis , this is very very interesting, ah well, in her case it worked out great, she needs students. If an on/off button cant be found or created the least one can do is establish a good form of communication, if that doesn't work or seems to be to scary or to much work, then there's always medication as a last resort.

Imagine if this is EXACTLY what scares the living sh!t out of tptb, wouldn't surprise me one bit to be honest, this time she got the answers to her exams, what would happen if she was presented with a whole new set of questions, INTERESTING.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Part of the key is in here imo.


In my step-dads case, I can tell you that when our mom died in 1993 we all went to her house I guess for a period of grieving and supporting one another. At this time, my step-dad pulls out an old photo album. Okay, no big deal. People reminisce and that's fairly normal, but then he gets to these pictures from his childhood. His dad used to beat the you know what out of him and THEN took pictures of the abuse. So, he has these pictures in there of himself at about 6-8 years old with black eyes, cuts and abrasions on his face, and he's showing them to us like no big deal. So, of course, yes, perfectly seemingly normal people can and do in many cases probably develop mental illnesses that really do have a component of imbalance in the brain or a brain injury. I did get a degree in psychology so I do know a little bit about how the brain works. I have also taken a different approach when talking to him (although it's been many years since I did talk to him). When he started on his "crazy talk", like saying my nephew is possessed by the devil and on and on, I just ask him to tell the voices, since they have nothing good to say, to shut the F up. Everybody else just acts so weird around him, like walking on egg shells. Plus, according to his daughter, she thinks he's actually getting well, which does sometimes happen after many years of suffering in their older years to just not have any symptoms anymore. Then there are even some cases that have a dietary component that can mimic many symptoms. So, I would just say, one diagnoses can mean many different possible causes. One size does not fit all. At least so far in my experience. I've actually known quite a few people who suffer from this terrible condition.

In this sentence I mean


When he started on his "crazy talk", like saying my nephew is possessed by the devil and on and on, I just ask him to tell the voices, since they have nothing good to say, to shut the F up.

Anything that doesn't shut the F up or doesn't understand when its overloading you and cant hear NO, is not a friend, but just talking thrash and that IS a problem, and a very potentially destructive one.

[norman]

To be well adjusted to a sick society is to be sick yourself.

Animals in Zoos display many signs of mental illnesses. Why should we be any different?

[Hervé]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... "mental illness" created by MKultra, satanists, psychiatrists, hypnotists, ETs, etc... so, sure, therefore it is an illness since we have a "cause (http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/the-hoax-at-the-bottom-of-autism-and-alzheimers/)" whether hypnotist, MKultra Mengele, etc... or kids on a computer console. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan) How long do you think split personalities have been created by "satanists"/shamans/high priests on this earth and elsewhere?

Before anyone jumps on their high horses, I am not saying there isn't a CONDITION that's disturbing and destructive; what I am saying is that it ain't a "disease"/"illness" like a broken bone which can be fixed by surgery... or malaria with a few drops of MMS.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... "mental illness" created by MKultra, satanists, psychiatrists, hypnotists, ETs, etc... so, sure, therefore it is an illness since we have a "cause (http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/the-hoax-at-the-bottom-of-autism-and-alzheimers/)" whether hypnotist, MKultra Mengele, etc... or kids on a computer console. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56002-Must-Read-The-Matrix-Deciphered-by-Dr-Robert-Duncan) How long do you think split personalities have been created by "satanists"/shamans/high priests on this earth and elsewhere?

Before anyone jumps on their high horses, I am not saying there isn't a CONDITION that's disturbing and destructive; what I am saying is that it ain't a "disease"/"illness" like a broken bone which can be fixed by surgery... or malaria with a few drops of MMS.


Besides all of the above, we could very well be dealing with a normal unfocussed and consciously underexplored function of the human mind, ever caught your cat looking at you weird or at the empty spot on the couch, what the F are they looking at when they do that, dogs do the same things btw, but anyway, when I would have a condition like schizophrenia ( you are not a schizophrenic, you have it, its a condition, not a walking freak of nature) and I would NOT be able to manage it whatever the cause of the condition might be, I assume I would call it a disease, if I for whatever reason WOULD be able to control and handle it, its not a disease at all, its a function, whether I would be interested in exploring it any further or just be satisfied with having control over it would be a completely different matter.

Since I am somewhat of a pragmatic bastard, my question would be, "Hey, what's in it for me man?", if the answer would be to my satisfaction, well I'll be damned, I have a new hobby, what can I do with this sh!t.

I'd have a LOT of questions, like ok Hi there, tell me about my body, what does it need to function optimally, what does my mind need to function properly, how can I dump emotional ballast fast painless and efficiently, only then when reasonably clear and clean would I start tackling the bigger questions I have. Sigh wouldn't that scenario be nice, a searchbar in your mind, I would call it Shmoogle, my Precious.

[Becky]

Is hearing voices a mental illness? If more people listened to the silence would they also hear the voices. They say if ancient tribes if some one showed signs of hearing voices he would be put in training to be a Shaman. But I guess our society deals with it differently.

I have been thinking the same thing recently. My daughter is learning about schizophrenia in A-level psychology at the moment, and it seems like an odd illness as it has so many different criteria. In the USA more people are diagnosed than in the UK because the list of associated symptoms is bigger in the USA than in UK criteria. Once or twice I have heard different voices loud and clear in my head - just as I'm dropping off to sleep. I think other factors are involved.

[lisalu]

I seldom post, but am always here, as I feel this is my tribe. I have a story to share. My mother Lennie, was a paranoid schizophrenic my entire life. To give you a little background on her tragic story, she was a stunningly beautiful woman and had a stroke in her early 20's, on an airplane back to Georgia where she was from. It was a cerebral hemorrhage and she lay several days in a coma before it was even diagnosed as a stroke. So the damage was done. Her doctors said she would never walk or talk again. But in true Lennie form, she was up and walking and talking in 2 years. Her entire right side of her body was paralyzed ( she was right handed) and she stuttered terribly. She knew what she wanted to say but just could not say it. Then she had me, and 18 months later my sister. Mind you, back then in the 50's it was cloth diapers and pins, just imagine the challenge that was for her. She was extremely brave and stubborn, and taught me many lessons. She was always tormented by someone out to get her, so we moved all the time, every year, and sometimes more. She was in and out of the State Mental Hospital for attempted suicides. They did shock treatments on her. Fast forward....there became a story to her tormentor. She called him "the long legged son of a bitch" and he had a little boy who over the years became a big boy. This long legged SOB would follow her everywhere and always had a pistol and would shoot it at her. he also would have a means of injecting poison gas into her apartment. so even after I was grown and gone he continued to torment her. And she continued to move. That in itself lends to many stories. My sister and I had very different approaches to dealing with her "fantasies" if in-fact that was what they were. She would argue with her and say "You know that is not true" which made her the enemy. And I would humor her, try to divert her attention or play along with it in an effort to direct the story to less trauma for her. About 15 years ago, my life was a mess and I used to go see this psychic woman about every 6 months. She was really good. She gave me hope and that is just what I needed back then. One time she asked about my mother, she asked if she had passed on, I said no, and she said that she has one foot in both worlds. Then she said she sees her sitting at a table having an argument with a very tall man. Well I almost fell out of my chair! That kinda confirmed what I always thought. That the "veil" was very thin for her, for whatever reason, and she was privy to a lower astral dimension that I could not see. Perhaps this place she was open to was full of tricksters, of dis-carnate entities....archons?...who knows. But it was more real than the rest of us knew. And perhaps there is a better way to deal with this "sickness" and we just haven't opened the door to it yet. And as a side note, my sister was always "sensitive" and would see and hear things, and still does. She sees dead people. She also sees some horrible ghoulish things. I don't call her crazy, but some do.
I wish I could write cos there is a book about growing up as Lennie's daughter inside me.

[Kryztian]

Is hearing voices a mental illness?

If that person is not in control of the "on/off" button, it is.

Yes, this sums it up. I know several people who feel they are psychic (card readers, astrologers, mediums, etc.) and many of them are friends with people who have a diagnosis of schizophrenia. One thing that both they are their schizophrenic friends may have in common is that they are clairaudient (they hear voices.) The psychics tell their schizophrenic friends that they just need to "turn it off" or to learn to ignore and tune it out. Of course, not all schizophrenics hear voices.

Perhaps schizophrenics do have a greater ability to sense then the rest of us. If that ability helps others, then they are seen as being gifted, but if that ability can causes them not to function in society, then they are seen as being mentally ill.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Thank you for posting this video, it is very interesting to me.

syjEN3peCJw

So far in the thread the most explored parts and shared stories besides the above video are negative ones, since I work in psychiatry I also deal with for the most part negative cases, so when I see the above video of a young obviously very intelligent lady it makes me wonder how much more people managed to get a GOOD handle on this so called condition, its very unlikely we will ever find out I am afraid, but there is not a single doubt in my mind that many many even present day Luminaries are people with something not extra, but are CONTACTEES of the so far underexplored qualities/aspects of what we call consciousness, my bet is they do the wise thing and stfu. So I have great respect for this young lady in the video, she has put her head on an anvil, fully aware of the consequences of her blowing the whistle, because that is exactly what she did. she blew the whistle, a professional in the field who said, "BULLSH!TS, its not what you think", this lady needs students, good ones and lots of them, many things to be learned here. Again, INTERESTING.

What is inspiration when seen from the above perspective, I am going to chew on that one for a while I think.

[Crystine]

Call it whatever you will. The minds filtering system breaks down. The system of organization is gone. The walls come down. The shelves collapse. Pages come out of books. Your self fragments. No longer are you an integrated person. Consciousness is thrown one way then another. Sometimes a pleasant vista. Sometimes not. Like a ping pong ball in a room full of mousetraps. And time dissolves. Only thing is here and now. Agony or Ecstasy. But there is not a choice. ABC, 1 , 2, 3. Peter, Paul Mounds and Almond Joy. If not here and now does it matter where or when?
Not always an illness. But often a broken spirit. And a broken spirit cannot be healed with pills.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

No longer are you an integrated person.

Hh, perhaps a person is not integrated without ALL aspects of consciousness integrated, we might have SOME integrated aspects but I doubt we have ALL aspects integrated, now who can tell me what ALL these aspects are, maybe we just don't know yet how to deal with people that have aspects of consciousness shining through that are fear invoking or just strange to us, Norman said it quite well I think.


To be well adjusted to a sick society is to be sick yourself.

Animals in Zoos display many signs of mental illnesses. Why should we be any different?

I bet Tesla was a very IN TUNE dude, in tune with inspiration, the divine, creativity, his muse, wtf ever, he was in tune with something, so much in tune it scared the bejesus out of people a lot less in tune, hence his downfall, I think we together we can think of many many more examples of very interesting people, don't you wonder why the emphasis is always on the horror stories, that is because the good ones have found out at an early age its better to not talk about these things, they got you burned at the stake imo profound world changes occur due to the machinations of the mind of the oddballs and the inventors and the writers of this world, whats bad about that is what has been done with it, like a knife, you can spread butter with it or stab a dude, poke a hole in a stick, filet a fish, cut some rope and build a hut, anyway someone came up with the uses for a sharp edge, myself, I only wake up after dreaming of nice new recipes in my juicer, and they taste great. Now, respect to that schizophrenic who saw the car in his mind, even more to those schizophrenics who saw that same car in their minds eye running on water.

[Jean-Marie]

We are all normal people living in a very abnormal world. Everyone of us has issues from our life. Some have and are dealing with them some are not. I have a close cousin that is schizophrenic. It is a very hard life.

[avid]

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Have we all gone mad? Ten years ago I'd have sectioned myself for posting the above, but the horrors are real, undeniable, and affecting many millions of innocents. Our children's IQ's are plummeting. Our olde folks are forgetting who they are, we are living in a nightmare of secret 'culling' - without recourse, as the heavy corporate curtain of denial has seemingly come down, cutting us off from justice. Surely there is a way out of this? Trying to make folks aware is a long slow process, but we are growing - and that is heartening. Good luck and go for it!

[lelmaleh]

I think that in many indigenous cultures people who experienced schizophrenic symptoms were considered healers and gifted but they had an intact belief system and had well developed tools for dealing with the spirit world/other dimensions. The West has neglected and condemned this area to their peril. There has been too much focus on negative and destruction. Our gifted people are labeled as schizophrenics because it reflects the broken, chaotic and negative information that is being conveyed from these other levels. Without an intact, balanced belief system these gifted people suffer the chaos/negativity that has been focused on by the West.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Carl Gustav Jung had schizophrenia. It and other problems ran in his family.

The Swiss are somewhat genetically isolated (historically) and have a lot of congenital problems, not just mental ones, either.
That's why it's Swiss people who do campaigns like "Who's Perfect" and the like. Many geneticists are Swiss because of personal reasons.

Anyhow, Carl Jung had a bunch of visions. Come to find out, he was worried about world wars, and his visions actually came true, albeit they were kind of metaphorical.

He had visions of huge yellow floodwaves coming up toward the Swiss alps, and the mountains rose up to block the flooding.
Later, when World War II broke out, this is exactly what happened; Switzerland remained relatively unaffected whereas the rest of Europe was completely turned over.

He also dreamed of the Cold War, a time of ice and snow and no hope or growth. He dreamed of the tree of life, and feeding people when the leaves on the tree turned into fruit (grapes). The first miracle of Jesus Christ was turning water into wine. I found the correlation to be chilling.

I don't think that seeing visions and hearing voices alone makes you a throwaway.
It is probably very overwhelming.

The thing about Jung is, he saw some bad stuff as a kid and was fairly used to it by the time he had done some work in mental institutions.
He was a good candidate for being a messenger of difficult news.

p.s. i think there are similar but more difficult to catch symptoms (positive ones and not in a good way) of schizophrenia, like feeling urges and visualizing bad actions.

Most people just need to increase their vitamin intake and adjust their diet.

[lelmaleh]

We also are not taught how to protect ourselves so negative entities are attracted to the light of the these potential healers to squash it and block them.

[Milneman]

We also are not taught how to protect ourselves so negative entities are attracted to the light of the these potential healers to squash it and block them.

We inherit them. How could our parents teach us how to do this? They've been taught how to pass on the negativity. Its nobody's fault, it's just the way it is.

What would happen if we treated serious mental illness with hugs I wonder instead of massive doses of anti-psychotic medications that not even the doctors or researches know the full effects of. This drug seems to create this set of conditions which helps the patient, but we can't be really sure what it's doing...we just don't know. Which isn't to say that medication isn't part of the solution. But I don't think, and I suspect in a lot of cases, it isn't.

However, I had a friend a few years ago, bipolar, who went crazy while on the job. I had to hold her down on the ground until the police could come and take her to the emergency room: now to be sure, I can't be sure if there were angels or demons whispering in her ear, but it sure appeared that way. And it also appeared that she wasn't able to control her reactions. So off hand, if there is a spiritual component to this (and I suspect there may be), it can't always be good. Just saying.

They discharged her the next day. When she did self-admit to the psychiatric ward, she got two visits from the psychiatrist. Once on admitting, once before discharge, both times prescribed medications. Now tell me. Is that adequate care? Is that uncommon? I somehow doubt it.

Maybe if we treated our doctors like airline pilots...."I think the plane will be able to fly if I pull back on the stick thingie...yes, yes ladies and gentlemen, we are air born! We're flying...oh wait, no we haven't left the ground yet...just wait, I'll get this right....is there a manual here somewhere? No? Ok let's start again. Push all those buttons, and I"ll pull back the thing....NOW we're air born! Ladies and gentlemen, if there is anyone on board that has a clue as to how to land one of these...what did he call it? Plane? Yah, a plane, could you come to the cockpit as soon as possible? Thank you. This is your captain speaking, enjoy your flight."

***edit***

I was also going to add that lots of time, people with mental illness have said to me that they're taking lithium, that it helps, and it's ok to take it because it comes from the earth, its natural. They always look at me slanted when I point out to them that Uranium also comes from the earth, and it's natural, so it must be ok to ingest that as well. ;)

[AriG]

No. I think they can be driven mad by the speculation about the source. From what I understand though, schizophrenics also have very vivid hallucinations. Many have theorized that they are an evolutionary step.

[Milneman]

Backwards or forwards?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Bible says that in the end times, the prophets will be targeted and slaughtered :(

Kinda sounds like modern psychiatry etc.

[Milneman]

Bible says that in the end times, the prophets will be targeted and slaughtered :(

Kinda sounds like modern psychiatry etc.

Sounds like anyone who says the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. Still gotta learn when to stick my head up, and when to keep my head in the bunker.

PS: We need to start channeling that Ayn Rand novel, sis. ;)

[Billy]

I seldom post, but am always here, as I feel this is my tribe. I have a story to share. My mother Lennie, was a paranoid schizophrenic my entire life. she has one foot in both worlds.


I wish I could write cos there is a book about growing up as Lennie's daughter inside me.

Thank you for this. Please begin writing. Do not be concerned that you think you cannot write. You have something to say. Do it for yourself for the time being.

Peace

[grapevine]

Thank you for posting this video, it is very interesting to me.

syjEN3peCJw

So far in the thread the most explored parts and shared stories besides the above video are negative ones, since I work in psychiatry I also deal with for the most part negative cases, so when I see the above video of a young obviously very intelligent lady it makes me wonder how much more people managed to get a GOOD handle on this so called condition, its very unlikely we will ever find out I am afraid, but there is not a single doubt in my mind that many many even present day Luminaries are people with something not extra, but are CONTACTEES of the so far underexplored qualities/aspects of what we call consciousness, my bet is they do the wise thing and stfu. So I have great respect for this young lady in the video, she has put her head on an anvil, fully aware of the consequences of her blowing the whistle, because that is exactly what she did. she blew the whistle, a professional in the field who said, "BULLSH!TS, its not what you think", this lady needs students, good ones and lots of them, many things to be learned here. Again, INTERESTING.

What is inspiration when seen from the above perspective, I am going to chew on that one for a while I think.

You may also enjoy reading her book then - it's in Kindle form only at £1.25 on Amazon and well worth the read.

I am not involved in psychiatry but have a huge interest in the amazing brain and how it works. Most people have seen the TED video below by Jill Bolte-Taylor where she gives her account of having a stroke in enormous detail. If you haven't seen it then it's worth a look. Jill's stroke happened to be on the left side of her brain so that, to all intents and purposes, she lived in the right side/consciousness for a long time during and after her stroke. I don't know anything about schizophrenia but wonder whether, like Jill's stroke, it affects different parts of the brain in different people so that they experience the disorder differently. Just a thought.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYD7Y9CXeUw

[northstar]

I have a close family member who lives with schizophrenia and a big pet peeve of mine is the tendency to romanticize or minimize or brush off the illness. I also personally know many people (in real life, not online) who live with schizophrenia, bilpolar and schizoaffective disorder, which are the most seriously disabling mental illnesses.

Until you have spent a considerable amount of time under the same roof as a person who is in full psychosis and unmedicated, you really don't have all the information on this terrible, terrible disease. Unlike the lovely lady in the video and unlike many other folks whose schizophrenia is well managed and under control, many people who live with the illness have extreme difficulties functioning, especially if they are unmedicated or not receiving effective medical interventions.

I have been present many times when my relative had to be taken away by police and involuntarily admitted to hospital due to the fact that she stopped taking her meds and got very sick with psychosis.

People who are in this state simply do not function. They lose friendships, they lose jobs, they lose schooling, they lose their homes, they lose their possessions, and many of them end up addicted and in trouble with the law, all due to the "crime" of suffering from schizophrenia. It is the equivalent of a person's life being blown up by an explosion. Most of them lose everything and there is always terrible suffering. I know this because I personally know many people who live with the illness.

Regarding hearing voices and seeing things, if that was the only requirement for a diagnosis of schizophrenia, then my clairvoyant and clairaudient abilities would qualify me for the diagnosis. But the reality is that people who are extremely ill with schizophrenia are simply unable to function - at all. This is why so many of them end up in full psychosis on the streets because often they have lack of insight about their illness. This means that they often reject the medical treatment that could help them stabilize and get better.

[Agape]

Bible says that in the end times, the prophets will be targeted and slaughtered :(

Kinda sounds like modern psychiatry etc.

It made me laugh , sorry . I've heard from a certified psychiatrist with Christian backgrounds that Jesus was paranoid and schizoid according to some good theories , Muhammad likewise and Buddha was most probably bi-polar .

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Let me tell you this much . I have about 3 ( very distant at the moment ) friends who are positively extraterrestrial - non-human - not of my kind , not that you'd automatically recognise that but all 3 ( each coming from different ethnic group and part of world ) share very similar physiognomy and mental patterns ,
shaped necessarily by the environment where they grew up .

This itself could be labeled very ridiculous if we are discussing it on some sort of psychiatric ground , talking of ETs , of course could get any of us to serious trouble .

Anyway . Each of these entities I refer to have very specific kind of personality ..as human beings . For one, they are completely selfless . They barely notice they are there . They are always up and looking around , always ready , curious about others, trying to help out people with small things even .
They are good listeners.

Their 'absence of self' and childishness , I mean despite all their prodigy and gifts, is often the most striking feature of their lives rather than 'anomalous behaviour' or 'weird ideas' though there are times when they open up ,
even if it's rarely and you'd witness what they actually , really think of the universe, human society etc .

All of them could have been easily targeted and given some sort of psychiatric label if it was not for their intelligence and non-conformity that fortunately or not,
does not fit to those boxes either . Distinct sense of awareness that makes them live and struggle to live, as 'genuine human beings' .

It can be almost comical to observe how they actually struggle to be 'real humans' .

The only difference between me and them, is that I'm taller. Older species. It does not make me much wiser anyway.

There would be many observations I could add on that accord .

I will name one who helped me under various circumstances .. selflessly , and who is extremely hard to find ( they all are, quite difficult to reach , physically ..for some reason ) .
Jampa(la) is Tibetan but he does not count himself among Tibetans either, from what we've got . We ( me and friends ) think he may-be from Monpa tribe, it's one of those Eastern Himalayan mountain tribes who traditionally, also served as sherpas , mountain guides .
Nevertheless, he's like no one else , never belonged to anywhere , anyone , everyone knows him as Jampa ( pronounced as Champa ) and counts him out .

Last winter when I was in Dharamsala, he did not take bath for several months. At the end he stank ( is it correct from stink ) so much I refused to sit with him at one table though he's loveable creature otherwise .
After he managed to take showers, we arranged him to be a cook in little alternative community called the Rainbow cafe up on the hill ( he's excellent cook and very diligent about all he does if given the right materials and tools to make him feel 'human' ) so he was happy as 'a flee' as they say, even got some money for all that effort and all was fine.

The reason why he won't work otherwise is that he understands it's 'not worth the effort' . Quite like the rest of the smarties, why work when no one needs that work ?
For money ? For yourself ? Never. We had no concept of 'money' or useless work at our home, they neither so you can't get everyone lulled to the system the same way .
Not these entities anyway .

He understands and speaks about 3 languages fluently but exhibits hard communication difficulties when under pressure . Quite like me , I know how it feels though I'm used to handle myself better .

Mind you the guys I speak about are tiny . Head smaller than I am.

We were not friends in particular till I sort of approached him, last year ..because I recalled him from many years ago .. he used to get drunk or whatever,
and would fall to 'prophetic mood' of sorts , when all he would say is something about "the return of Godzilla' and ''black pagoda to come back'' and ''save scrolls''.

Can't recall that exactly ( and I've never seen the movies about Godzilla ..or is it a game .. I doubt he did see much of it either ) but it sounded completely authentic from his mouth . The "godzilla' ( I understand = danger ) is to come back. Black pagoda , possibly .. save scrolls. Well, he was very drunk that time but each time repeated the same thing .

The good thing about it is that he does not drink either at all now or very little . Except for winter, I guess . But I think it saves him from the cold .

Imagine yourself the situation...of being very very intelligent individual who finds himself living among nomads, tourists, monks , systems, simple minded people in general . It can make you feel frustrated, depressed , angry . Whatever .

Depression is mostly unheard of in tribal societies . Why because people tend to make each other happy and care , day by day .

I may even pull out a photo of Jampa(la) from this spring before I left Dharamsala ,
he's the one with hat on, on the left . I know he does not enjoy being photographed a lot but I feel, he'd allow me to speak for him.
The other person is my Portugese friend Elsa . She too had many problems in her home ..is also , very talented artist , she has a degree in history of arts from Vienna actually but opted for more freedom in life .

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The reason why I say what I say is that occasionally ... the weirdo you meet is not your casual mental case . Can be 'some other entity' even if the chances you meet one are rare and you have to posses good 'karma' ( or say ..wish ) to meet them .

In either case .. if anything of that sort happens .. please do not harm these beings. They are beautiful , harmless and full of love.


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[pumashared]

im not a very smart person but i have always thought about this disease. sometimes i wonder if the human population was genetically color blind but due to some luck and genetic mutation some new babies and people started seeing color. would we all go crazy calling them liers because 99% of the population can not see color, than the 1% is lying?

[Guest]

I had a friend named John who was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He was highly sensitive, highly intelligent, could see and talked with angels. We had a lot of fun and very interesting and intelligent conversations. John sometimes self-medicated with alcohol because he didn't want to hear what the angels had to say. He wouldn't take the medications the psychiatrists prescribed -they made him depressed. He was really a fun loving guy and he liked the fact that I would sit and listen to him and his angels.

Humbling to be with someone so in-tune and soulful.

Western medicine is really missing the mark and I think they create a lot of these diagnosis because they don't have a reference point in this society for people who are so close to the veil. Also think that the drugs created to treat "mental illnesses" were sickly created by the ptb to control naturally gifted people.


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I wish I could write cos there is a book about growing up as Lennie's daughter inside me.

lisalu "growing up as Lennie's daughter" would make a great title for your book.


Love


Nora

[enfoldedblue]

I have come to believe that there are different streams of breaks from reality. I have no doubt that psychosis is a very real and very horrible affliction that causes great suffering for individuals and their loved ones. But I think that the reason that it is sometimes romanticised and misunderstood is because sometimes similar mechanisms are at work that ultimately lead people to deeper awareness and understanding.

Eighteen years ago I was hospitalised for experiencing what the doctors termed a "psychotic break". I had been experiencing an incredible awakening. The doors in my mind were opened wide and for several months I was able to penetrate and navigate much deeper levels of reality. What I experienced was so far removed from the safe little box reality I had existed in up until that point. I have no words to describe the extent of the beauty and the horror at what I saw. It was truly the most awesome and most terrible experience I could imagine.

'Normal' life and 'normal' people seemed so strange to me and the further I allowed myself to go, the more insane they appeared.

I had friends around me who were also experiencing similar states of mind and so I was not alone in my journey. However, at one point my friend and I saw a bridge in front of us (in our minds eye) we knew this bridge would take us beyond the sphere where we had reference to this reality. I decided to take, she decided not to. Immediately we could no longer communicate..it was as though we were suddenly speaking different languages. After that I could not relate properly to anyone, even close friends....the next day my father in a panic forcibly took me to hospital. There I was stripped and strapped down and given an anti-psychotic drug called Haldol...I remember it sounded like 'alldull' and I thought they were forcing me to close the magic doors and return to the box where it was 'all dull'...lol.

When I awoke I was back in the box. Luckily I had studied a lot about mental health system at university and knew how to play the game and was allowed to leave after a few days. I was convinced that I was not crazy...though of course was told that is what everyone says. I felt very much guided and this gave me much comfort. Within a week I felt that I no longer needed any medication so stopped (against medical advice). I ended up going up on a very healing path where synchronicity saw me finding my way to healing hot springs, sweat lodges with native Americans and then Byron Bay Australia where I found healing circles and people who helped me make sense of my experience.

One of the things I came across that helped me integrate my 'out there' experience with this reality was Paul Levy and his concept of 'spiritual emergencies'. He believes that some people experience psychosis as a reaction to a profound awakening. What he found was that the people who's psychosis fit the 'spiritual emergency' framework tended to emerge healthier and more whole in the long term.

[Crystine]

I quote from enfoldedblue

"Eighteen years ago I was hospitalised for experiencing what the doctors termed a "psychotic break". I had been experiencing an incredible awakening. The doors in my mind were opened wide and for several months I was able to penetrate and navigate much deeper levels of reality. What I experienced was so far removed from the safe little box reality I had existed in up until that point. I have no words to describe the extent of the beauty and the horror at what I saw. It was truly the most awesome and most terrible experience I could imagine. "

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Dear enfolded blue, you are very brave to make this post. You lived the experience and now you own it. Others, have lived through...........a psychotic break................and have experienced a coming to terms with their awakening.

A rude Awakening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AriG]

Backwards or forwards?

Maybe evolution isn't altogether linear? Perhaps neither backwards or forward but centered?

[GNC Harteveld]

I think all humans are mentally ill.

[AriG]

Just watch this short video and take your own conclusions if schizophrenia is a mental illness or not...

Four Patients with Schizophrenia

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Raf.

This video makes me angry. These souls are not mentally ill IMO. There is something more going on here than a mainstream "clinical" boilerplate diagnosis. Subject number two's clinicals stated "severe hypothyroidism". The thyroid is the master gland for every cell in the body. Would it be implausible to suggest that his "schizophrenia" is a symptom of a physiological disorder? Subject number three refers to herself as "retarded", yet she has a higher command of language. Subject number four is actually (IMO) quite intelligent as well and thinks in imagery and expresses right brained brilliance in his allegorical statement " even the picture has a headache " and then proceeds to discuss fusion ( right brain/left brain working on concert?)

Each of these subjects recognizes that something has gone wrong in their physiology. They have all personally asked for help and what does the "system" offer them? A left brained, linear diagnosis of their symptoms, not the underlying cause ( I would bet the farm that most of these people have a metabolic or auto-immune disorder such as hypothyroidism as the clinicians stated and yet ignored.) Personally, I can relate. I had undiagnosed Hashimoto's for years. Wasn't able to get a firm diagnosis until I had a severe thyroid storm and my GP tried to write it off as "mid life anxiety". Over the course of the following weeks, as I was struggling with symptoms and trying to get to the root of my symptoms, I became very depressed, paranoid, untrusting and started to disassociate from a system that was inclined to call me a crazy peri-menopausal person versus addressing my very real physical symptoms. Luckily for me, I had good insurance, a supportive husband and an awakened mind. Imagine if even one of these blessings were absent from my reality. I might also be institutionalized with no real diagnosis after my strong immune system compensated for the lack of T4 in my system and pulled every ounce of dopamine from my system just to keep my vital organs functioning. To illustrate what I mean by this: the test that measures the auto-immune response to Hashimoto's has a "normal" antibody range of 0-30, with 30 being indicative of advanced autoimmune response. My anti-body test was 2700. My immune system was in over-drive and although I had hints that something was wrong, I thought I was the picture of health overall. It was only when my immune system couldn't do it any longer, that I fell into a thyroid storm. Thought it was a heart attack and thousands of dollars later in cardio testing, I was told that it was "all in my head". If I hadn't pushed for the right diagnosis, I would have either become comatose or "mentally ill". I had rages, crying jags, hallucinations, paranoia, immobility, etc. etc. I would sit for days in the same chair, staring out into space. My husband had to force me to bathe, to eat, to sleep.

Yes, I am angry at any system that believes that seemingly well adjusted people can just "slip" into "mental illness". Hogwash. A sick and twisted psychiatric system that seeks to be self-perpetuating by mass diagnoses of symptoms rather than diagnosing and treating the individual. Evil.

[AriG]

I think all humans are mentally ill.

Are all humans mentally ill or victims of a sick reality and having a "normal" response to the stimuli?

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I had a friend named John who was diagnosed with schizophrenia. He was highly sensitive, highly intelligent, could see and talked with angels. We had a lot of fun and very interesting and intelligent conversations. John sometimes self-medicated with alcohol because he didn't want to hear what the angels had to say. He wouldn't take the medications the psychiatrists prescribed -they made him depressed. He was really a fun loving guy and he liked the fact that I would sit and listen to him and his angels.

Humbling to be with someone so in-tune and soulful.

Western medicine is really missing the mark and I think they create a lot of these diagnosis because they don't have a reference point in this society for people who are so close to the veil. Also think that the drugs created to treat "mental illnesses" were sickly created by the ptb to control naturally gifted people.


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I wish I could write cos there is a book about growing up as Lennie's daughter inside me.

lisalu "growing up as Lennie's daughter" would make a great title for your book.


Love


Nora

Huh? " you wish you could write "? Read your words above. You are writing and well.... now go write that book :) ( don't sweat the details, that's what editors are for)

[Robin]

Define mental illness. I would say that western society is largely mentally ill, at least many of our leaders are certainly insane.

I think that schizophrenic people might be tuned in to other dimensions and they have no control over it, there are good spirits and then there are not so good spirits talking to them. Spiritually empty and confused western society doesn't understand the phenomenon so people who hear voices will be pumped full of medicines and they will be locked up to a nuthouse. I've seen it firsthand and from what I hear, some of the people in the mental institutions are actually more enlightened than the doctors who treat them.



Only people who deal with schizophrenia inside their families know how terrible this sickness really is...Only those who have witnessed how it transforms perfectly normal people into complete lunatics, in a matter of months, know what schizophrenia really is.

Anyway, if you don't "believe" schizophrenic people are mentally ill, just go to a mental hospital and ask to see their schizophrenic patients. Many of these hospitals are open to visitations; Socialization is often part of their therapy.

I think that I agree with both Wind and RMorgan. I do not think that the illness stems only out of a chemical imbalance, but is much more profound as Wind suggests. I posted a comment (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65741-Sanity-vs-insanity&p=762038&viewfull=1#post762038)about my take on the story of John Nash, Nobel Prize-winning mathmatician. I think the diagnosis comes out of an excuse to label something that we do not know much about:


I love the story of John Forbes Nash. Those not familiar with the name will be familiar with the film "A Beautiful Mind."

Nash, to me, is the perfect example of human ignorance when it comes to understanding somebody because they are different. A brilliant mathematician, he was diagnosed with schizophrenia for much of his life. He claimed to receive information from an ET race and to receive messages saying that it was up to him to save the world. He claimed that there were hidden messages in newspapers, broadcasts, and other media that only he could decode.

He claimed that he was often followed by men in suits with red ties. He claimed that the Russian government was trying to get information out of him and he also claimed that the US government was following him. He left the US in panic at one point and sought refuge in Europe.

Because of these experiences, he was diagnosed with severe schizophrenia. But those of us who are awake and aware know that these experiences are not unheard of at all. They really are not that abnormal at all.

One could be skeptical that he "heard voices" in his head from an ET race, but to me I think that it explains a lot. It also makes sense that a brilliant mathematician who has contact with an ET race, who has created brilliant mathematical formulas to make sense of economics and foreign trade (game theory, etc.), would be followed and monitored by world governments. I would imagine that men in suits with red ties would indeed follow him, threaten him, and force him to work with government intelligence.

No, I do not think John Forbes Nash was crazy. I do not think that he had a mental illness. He could have an ET soul, which would explain his awkwardness and level of understanding (in my opinion). He may have exaggerated things at times, but I would probably be in-over-my-head if such a monumental task was given to me.

The movie "A Beautiful Mind," based off the book of the same name, has done a huge disservice to humanity. Instead of opening their mind to possibilities of universal intelligence, they bash Nash () and claim that he is mentally ill. They place names on diagnoses that they do not understand.

I am also sure that the film "A Beautiful Mind" was sponsored by the US government so that they can mislead people into believing the fabricated story. I am sure that he was threatened with his and his family's life just like others who have such contact. To them, instead of Nash having contact with ETs, he had a mental illness that made him hear voices in his head that are out of his own chemical imbalance. What a joke.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

P.S. you guys who made good points about schizophrenia being severe:

I met some of these people while homeless. Most of them were what you would call "bipolar" (reactionary).
But I did meet four schizophrenics while living in the shelters.

You would not believe how different each case can be.

One of them was truly oraculating. Anyone who got close to her heard their deepest concerns echoed in a real voice.
I am seriously saying that she was a real-life Sybil, one of the people like the Delphic oracles. She had no control over it.

One of them heard voices at night. She thought the upstairs neighbors were trying to disrupt the rest of the women in the shelter.
None of us could hear anything. She complained constantly about a radio being on upstairs. It made me wonder if she was hypersensitive or just trying to get attention. The other residents at this particular night house were largely superstitious and unpleasant. One of them called her a witch in a private conversation with me. I think she was trying to say that the voices were disruptive.

The third schizophrenic was nothing like the other two. She didn't hear voices. She was more like a big kid; almost Downs-like. She gravitated to me and I was her street caregiver for a week. I let her walk with me and helped her carry things, bought her things. She was obviously at risk -- had a loud, piercing voice, and a horrid laugh that caused other street people to make fun of us. A man threatened us with a knife when I bitched him out for making fun of her. Then he tried to call the cops on us when I said I'd take it away from him, lmao.

The fourth schizophrenic never bathed and would not sleep in the dorm with us. She slept on the floor in the hall or on a chair. She seemed fixated on the phone. She claimed to see ghosts. When I got close to her once, she started raving about demons and said "why have you troubled me in the spirit for the last three years?". It was rather creepy. I had lived in Seattle for three years. @_@

Long story short, there is no "type" for schizophrenics. Like flowers, they vary in color, shape, and size. Some smell good, some smell bad.
Some are so psychic that the world they see is fundamentally different than the one we see.
The only thing we can do is try to understand.

[Vitalux]

Is hearing voices a mental illness? If more people listened to the silence would they also hear the voices. They say if ancient tribes if some one showed signs of hearing voices he would be put in training to be a Shaman. But I guess our society deals with it differently.

My thoughts is we are all schizophrenic :yo:

[dianna]

Is hearing voices a mental illness? If more people listened to the silence would they also hear the voices. They say if ancient tribes if some one showed signs of hearing voices he would be put in training to be a Shaman. But I guess our society deals with it differently.

My thoughts is we are all schizophrenic :yo:

LOL, yes ...

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Ok, I 'll share a few and let the names out, I stated before not only in this thread btw I work in psychiatry, the work basically is being available for clients to vent, assist them in finding a home, get their finances in order, accompany them to doctors, social services, clinics and lets not forget the dentist, drugs and medication wreak havoc on teeth and chronic pain in your face is hell, help them find something useful to do if they expressed that wish, paid or voluntary, all in line with a persons capabilities and insight of course and I had a total blast at the homeless shelter I used to work as my primary workplace, most clients were either severe psychiatric patients that got kicked out of institutions due to their behavior, drug addicts and alcoholics, old fashioned lazy bums, asylum seekers, veterans, hiding petty thiefs and dealers and on and on and on, but generally speaking. if you lived there something was up with you, usually not something good either, nevertheless a great place to work, not to live but it was a roof, shower, bed and three meals a day and a place to wash your clothes for those who were forced by circumstances to seek shelter there.

I'll only use initials here.

J, 27 years old, a bad trip screwed him up ( could not shake it off), this dude was the brightest guy I met there, was a manager for a mayor company you all know if I would say the same but I wont, anyway J got f@cked up beyond belief, stopped washing, talked to walls, settled fights between bicycles, yes indeed bicycles, got told to go here or there by voices to find this and or that wallet or mp3 player on the street someone had lost, and as he went where the voices told him to go he found exactly that ( amazing) which was a good thing because he was a naughty fun loving dude too, liked his speed, his coke, his pills, his booze, when talking to him he could become very very angry, we did nice things for him and the people in the shelter, now why did he become angry, he saw dead people, standing all around us, mocking us, strangling us, stabbing us, hitting us, and he stood us for us, and chased them away, and the odd thing is, as soon as he did that the atmosphere changed and everyone felt different, only a few of us spoke about this btw, its pretty far out stuff especially when you add a spiritual component to it, J told us the shelter was full of dead people, former clients, people who got a no from us due to their behavior, remember we were a shelter and not a prison or clinic soo we had a responsibility to people living there to keep the atmosphere safe and liveable or at least as close as possible to that, we kicked plenty of people out because of violent behavior towards others. J once helped me and a security guy out big time, what did he do, well, mr security and I worked a shift together at the door, meaning, opening closing the door, check people for dope or booze or stabby pointy things or worse, and doing intakes, anyway, simultaneously something very weird happened, mr sec and I suddenly both grabbed our foreheads and looked at each other a bit freaked out, something weird was happening we both had something ( invisible) splash onto our foreheads and it feels like a big sucktion cup or something like that, we could not believe what was happening, we had a windows by the door and J saw what was happening, he ran in, looked at the both of us, jumped over the desk ( usually I'd punch you out and kick you out of the door if you pulled one like that one me, just not done) somehow mr sec and I knew this was something different, J grabbed my head, started wiping my forehead, did the say for mr sec, jumped back to the other side of the desk and big grin on his face and said, all better now?' and i'll be damned it was better it was gone, great guy, and the weird thing was about J he did not want his life to be any different than it was or had become, it hd become so much more interesting for him, sometimes also very scary but the good outweighed the bad, easily.

T, another fine character, bonkers as burning turds from Yonkers, 14 kinds of medication, sneaky old fart, big as a house strong as a horse, 24 hrs a day boner, heart of gold, and everything that could have gone wrong in his life did go wrong, filthy rich, voices, visuals, smells, he had it all and then some, broke into police stations to rob the coffee machines ( caffeine junkie), and he was also nice enough to sh!t on the floor with a big grin on his face or strip down buttnaked in the C&A and run after old ladies with his pants down his ankles ( you cant make this sh!t up) what a terrorist eh Demolitionman in person. Very sad and totally hilarious.

Well know, once upon a time the team had a meeting, we were sitting in the ground floor office and T appears in front of the window, scared look on his face, pointing to something behind us, so we turned around, nothing there, so we looked at, shrugged our shoulders and went on with meeting ( he also likes a good practical joke and aint stupid), T got more and more upset looked very very very worried, started pounding the window and screaming, we continued the meeting as if nothing was happening, he ran of to the bike rack, grabbed a bike, and threw the bike into the office, through the window, whole office panics, "T what the f@ck did you do that for you idiot, that is dangerous' yes yes we talk like that after all he's just a guy, like you or I and you just don't do sh!t like that, not nice, anyway T burst into tears fell to his knees praying pointing to the office,' didn't you see that, he was standing right there, he was going to push the red button, he was going to push the red button, you would all have died, don't you understand, what did I do wrong", OK now we understood, something was going to blow up the whole joint with everyone in it, so basically T did the right thing, he saved our lives, so needless to say, he got three deserts that night.

I have more btw but i'll leave it at that, what is interesting here is that both the guys in the above examples had times when they wished they were "normal", but most of the time they were having a blast, the haunted moments were not the good ones obviously, but apparently they also got contacted by some real standup comedians and standup good guy voices or spirits, at least from their perspective, hardly worthy to note that it is usually just their environment has problems with their behavior, so how do we take care of these people without dumping on their human dignity, at least 2 thirds of them are just what they are, see what they see, hear what they hear, sometimes its good and sometimes not so good, there is no easy solution, if there is a solution we have to look in ourselves, what other components of consciousness do need to grasp, is there an on/off button to be found for those truly troubled, a couple of the people I know due to my profession have reasonable normal conversations with their "voices', perhaps that is the way to go for them, find common ground with who or whatever is contacting them, but HOW.

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Another shelter I worked, other town, small scale set up, drinking and smoking allowed, all of these guys were not in great health but lived their last days with some fun. Quality over quantity if you will, even the dog had fun, this was a good night for a change.

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[Maunagarjana]

Actually, the schizophrenia/shaman thing is a persistent myth. Shamans are not simply people who's mental illness has been put to good use for the community. There have been studies done on this and they have found that shamans are always among the most mentally healthy of the tribe.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Actually, the schizophrenia/shaman thing is a persistent myth. Shamans are not simply people who's mental illness has been put to good use for the community. There have been studies done on this and they have found that shamans are always among the most mentally healthy of the tribe.

And in America, perfectly healthy things are considered a sign of mental illness.
Like being concerned about surveillance in Seattle -- specifically, light bulbs. A common fear among schizophrenics (they often hate electricity!).
Then in 2013, what do we hear on the front page of Infowars?

That the LIGHT BULBS/fixtures in Seattle (Intellistreets etc.) are watching us.
Not to mention the devices watching our Iphones. LOL "smart mesh"

How do you think the "mentally ill" felt about that?
Is it simply a situation where "oh you can't bet on the horse after the race", or were they right all along?

People used to come to my yard sales and tell me all about the "cell phone tower disease", i.e. they felt sick around towers and smart meters...

It's not just a load of crap.

Maybe someone should re-watch the film "POWDER" and see exactly why electricity can be a bad thing for humans (sensitive or not).

The basis of the mind is electromagnetism... why can't science find an answer when it's obvious?
It's like a radio with a broken tuner, and the subconscious has hold of the knob... it's not their fault and they didn't cause it.

In 2010 or so, I confided in a Seattle doctor that someone had repeated a rumor to me, that agencies with the proper knowledge can indeed perform surveillance of private homes and other places with a simple TV cable and electrical lighting... he thought I was so out of my gourd that he called the authorities over it.

And it wasn't even my idea, my thoughts, my theory. I got into trouble for repeating someone else's information to a doctor.

Being ahead is almost being a crime in the USA -- we are so divorced from true spirituality that someone has to pretty much hit us over the head like Jonah.

Anyhow, I don't know what to think about only the "healthiest" people being shamans.
Moses had to live outside the camp -- that's what I always go back to when people say only normal people practice magic.
He was "touched by the gods", heard the voice of God, and claimed that God spoke to him face to face.

And he delivered an entire nation of people from slavery.

Carl Jung, again one of the most famous examples of a functioning schizophrenic.
The difference is simple, can you guess?

He got to express himself and his family didn't persecute him for being different.
They were grateful he was normal enough to function.

He went on to become one of the "household names" in psychiatry and I'll bet as many people have heard the name "Jung" as have heard "Jesus".

/endrant lol

[Maunagarjana]

Well, Tesla.....I'm not schizophrenic, but the things that you are talking about do bother me too. I think anyone who is a thinking person should be at the very least concerned with it. But about the Seattle surveillance thing, the last I heard is they deactivated it. Doesn't mean it's true, and doesn't mean it's the end of it, but at least people are being a bit more vigilant. See: http://rt.com/usa/seattle-mesh-network-disabled-676/

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

This comes up when people bother to research lobotomy:


In 1984, Romanovsky and Phillips released I Thought You'd Be Taller, an album that includes a song about the actress, "Paint By Numbers (Song For Frances)".[42] The song concludes with the verse:

They locked away poor Frances/ Told her she was insane/ And shocked her with the treatments/ That slowly killed her brain/ But her spirit lives with me/ And that is why I sing this song/ 'Cause when a brilliant mind is put away My senses tell me something's wrong/

(When they tell you to)[42]
The Tracey Thorn-penned song "Ugly Little Dreams," featured on Everything but the Girl's 1985 album Love Not Money was inspired by Frances Farmer.[25][43] The song features the lyrics:

It's a battlefield Frances You fight or concede Victory to the enemy Who call your strength insanity

What chance for such girls How can we compete? In a world that likes its women

Stupid and sweet

[Mike]

Once again we get caught up in semantics and the often times erroneous labelling of "disorder".

What exactly is a schizophrenic? Is it really possible to tag and label and can these unique individuals, with varying degrees of the same symptoms and sometime all together different symptoms? In our maniacal desire to be scientific, we often dramatically miss the mark. I think Tesla illustrated this perfectly with one of her posts above. To assume their homogeousness is equally as ignorant as assuming all "aliens" are good.

I think what we call schitzophrenics are our modern day shamans. They are clearly tuned into something tangible, not imagined - it just doesn't constitute what we think of as everyday reality. Relative to the true nature of things, I reckon us normal people are the freaks or the backwards lot.

These folks have in them a mechanism that won't allow a complete conformity to this madness we call "normality". They don't need meds, they need true spiritual guidance. Theirs is a unique calling, calling for an equally unique guidance and understanding.

I'm not naive, however, and know this can be a hellish existence for those afflicted. Even when understood fully and assimilated by a well adjusted individual, it must be an enormous burden. I'll continue to pray for these special people, as I am at a total loss of any other way to proceed.

[nzreva]

Dr. Thomas Szasz The Myth of Mental Illness his last interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A63AVMEjYho these are his youtube videos
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Dr+Szasz+the+myth+of+mental+illness&sm=3