Noah's Ark Info

[LahTera]

Just read this article this morning and thought I'd share. I had no idea another team went to Mt. Ararat to determine the truth of this object.

http://www.viewzone.com/noahx.html

[avid]

More fascinating info - thanks LahTera :-)

[ghostrider]

I like the story , every culture down through the ages , has a common thread , this is it , at one time in the distant past , the world was covered completely with water and cities were sunk ...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

That was a great read and answered at least 5 questions I've always had about the ark.
Thank you so much for posting this article; people ought to read the whole thing.

I hardly ever finish a whole article on here and this one was RIVETING. (pun intended!)

[GreenGuy]

I've read about this artifact before, and while it does seem to be an ancient ship, it is not proof of the Noah legend per se. There has been some fraudulent reporting about it, mainly in the Russian press, that alleges animal pens, staterooms, and other feature being found inside the structure. There is abundant evidence from around the world that our most ancient ancestors were capable seamen, able to undertake long voyages and that ancient shipping routes crisscrossed the globe.

I have always thought that the Noah story has a grain of truth. This could actually be the Ark. But consider certain other details, such as the iron/titanium/aluminum rivets. That's high tech, folks. Who was this Noah? He was the last of those who lived for hundreds of years, according to Genesis. He may have been one of the Nephilim. He wasn't some ordinary sheepherder. He was five hundred years old when he began building the ark. There is no way that a ship of this size and sophistication was the product of one old man hammering away. This was the product of a shipbuilding industry.

So while this may be the remains of a huge ship, and MAY be the remains of the very craft that gave birth to the Noah legend, it doesn't prove that we should start interpreting the Bible literally. Very, very interesting article, and I hope to see more research in the future.

[GreenGuy]

P.S. Here's (http://www.snopes.com/religion/noahsark.asp) what Snopes has to say about this discovery.

[LahTera]

Yeah, that was before this story, GreenGuy. ;)

[Lancelot]

Great article, thank you LahTera.

Id heard of Noahs arc being found on Mt Ararrat before and was glad to see something on PA. The evidence presented in this article is impressive and well worth a look at.
In the photo in the article I noticed a conical shaped flat topped hill in the background and wondered if anyone had any thoughts on it? It looks very similar to Silbury Hill.

http://www.viewzone2.com/noah111.jpg

[GreenGuy]

In the photo in the article I noticed a conical shaped flat topped hill in the background and wondered if anyone had any thoughts on it? It looks very similar to Silbury Hill.

http://www.viewzone2.com/noah111.jpg

It could be a burial mound or tell much younger than the ark (if that's what this is). It think the story is as intriguing as all get-out, but it falls short of proof.

[DeDukshyn]

I like the story , every culture down through the ages , has a common thread , this is it , at one time in the distant past , the world was covered completely with water and cities were sunk ...

Check out the ocean life in lake Titicaca in Peru. It is 12,500 ft above sea level, and much evidence points to the fact it was once filled with ocean water. There are seahorses and other salt water fish that have adapted to "fresh" water. The lake is still saltier than it should be at that elevation. The locals have the same legend of "Noah and the Ark" - although the details aren't 100% the same - but close enough to know it is indeed the same story being told.

The speculation is that the lake was flooded with ocean water at some point, and since it is an enormous lake and the turnover is about 1000 years, this slow transition would have allowed some of the ocean life adapt slowly to the increasing fresh water over a long period of time, hence salt water creatures in a fresh water lake.

Also interesting, it appears there is an ancient city at the bottom of this lake ...

Unless Noah's family was a mix of white, black, brown, reptilian, or whatever type of people, I think it might be safe to say in this context, that there were many arks, and many "Noah's" at this time. It seems the destruction of Atlantis, is a symbol in our subconscious remnant of this period ...


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And ... this isn't evidence that the "bible" is true ... the Epic of Gilgamesh has the exact story of Noah and the flood that is in the bible -- yet this script pre-dates the "creation" of the earth as told by biblical creationists - it is the oldest script, "supposedly", ever found.

Remember, the bible is a compilation -- some of this in the old testament are remnants (I've been using this word a lot lately ... ) carried over from the old world - the civilizations that existed before our "history".

What we are told of human "past" is a lie, we only get info as it serves this "new world" and it's rulers. Thus they try to hide that past from us.

[13th Warrior]

The story of Noah is an alchemical allegory.

[LahTera]

I like the story , every culture down through the ages , has a common thread , this is it , at one time in the distant past , the world was covered completely with water and cities were sunk ...

This is what I've gathered as well. Cultures all over the world have a flood story. What I found interesting was mention by a culture in S. America that the flood was the world's 5th deluge. (I believe that came from Donnelly - Atlantis: The Anti -whatever that title was -- lol! Being lazy.)

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Edit:

And ... this isn't evidence that the "bible" is true ... the Epic of Gilgamesh has the exact story of Noah and the flood that is in the bible -- yet this script pre-dates the "creation" of the earth as told by biblical creationists - it is the oldest script, "supposedly", ever found.

Remember, the bible is a compilation -- some of this in the old testament are remnants (I've been using this word a lot lately ... ) carried over from the old world - the civilizations that existed before our "history".

What we are told of human "past" is a lie, we only get info as it serves this "new world" and it's rulers. Thus they try to hide that past from us.

Exactly! Jews inherited these stories from Sumerians, along with the belief in angels. ;)

[DeDukshyn]

I like the story , every culture down through the ages , has a common thread , this is it , at one time in the distant past , the world was covered completely with water and cities were sunk ...

This is what I've gathered as well. Cultures all over the world have a flood story. What I found interesting was mention by a culture in S. America that the flood was the world's 5th deluge. (I believe that came from Donnelly - Atlantis: The Anti -whatever that title was -- lol! Being lazy.)

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Edit:

And ... this isn't evidence that the "bible" is true ... the Epic of Gilgamesh has the exact story of Noah and the flood that is in the bible -- yet this script pre-dates the "creation" of the earth as told by biblical creationists - it is the oldest script, "supposedly", ever found.

Remember, the bible is a compilation -- some of this in the old testament are remnants (I've been using this word a lot lately ... ) carried over from the old world - the civilizations that existed before our "history".

What we are told of human "past" is a lie, we only get info as it serves this "new world" and it's rulers. Thus they try to hide that past from us.

Exactly! Jews inherited these stories from Sumerians, along with the belief in angels. ;)

To me it makes sense that the Sumerians and Babylonians got stories and "myths" from the remnants of Atlantis, while the Vedic and Hindu myths and stories were passed to them from the remnants Lemuria - there is some past life regression cases that indicate these were two warring earth factions before the destruction of the old world.

The major religions of Christianity, Jewish, and Muslim, are based around remnants of Atlantean lore and artifacts, while the very eastern religions, were based around lore and artifacts which had been retained from Lemuria.

Rather makes a lot of sense doesn't it? ;)

[LahTera]

I know there had to have been a global culture at one time. Archeological evidence supports this. Just last night I recalled reading an article within the last year about Sumerian-like text being found in South America. Was wondering if anything else had been learned from it, so thinking of doing a bit o' research on that today. Just have to make the time!

[Atlas]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Big_Ark_in_Dordrecht_3.jpg/800px-Big_Ark_in_Dordrecht_3.jpg

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Jan. 24, 2014

British Museum: Prototype for Noah's Ark was round


Here is an intriguing new archaeological discovery.


JILL LAWLESS - The Associated Press

"LONDON -- It was a vast boat that saved two of each animal and a handful of humans from a catastrophic flood.

But forget all those images of a long vessel with a pointy bow - the original Noah's Ark, new research suggests, was round.

A recently deciphered 4,000-year-old clay tablet from ancient Mesopotamia - modern-day Iraq - reveals striking new details about the roots of the Old Testament tale of Noah. It tells a similar story, complete with detailed instructions for building a giant round vessel known as a coracle - as well as the key instruction that animals should enter "two by two."

The tablet went on display at the British Museum on Friday, and soon engineers will follow the ancient instructions to see whether the vessel could actually have sailed.

It's also the subject of a new book, "The Ark Before Noah," by Irving Finkel, the museum's assistant keeper of the Middle East and the man who translated the tablet.

Finkel got hold of it a few years ago, when a man brought in a damaged tablet his father had acquired in the Middle East after World War II. It was light brown, about the size of a mobile phone and covered in the jagged cuneiform script of the ancient Mesopotamians.

It turned out, Finkel said Friday, to be "one of the most important human documents ever discovered."

"It was really a heart-stopping moment - the discovery that the boat was to be a round boat," said Finkel, who sports a long gray beard, a ponytail and boundless enthusiasm for his subject. "That was a real surprise."

And yet, Finkel said, a round boat makes sense. Coracles were widely used as river taxis in ancient Iraq and are perfectly designed to bob along on raging floodwaters.

"It's a perfect thing," Finkel said. "It never sinks, it's light to carry."

Other experts said Finkel wasn't simply indulging in book-promotion hype. David Owen, professor of ancient Near Eastern studies at Cornell University, said the British Museum curator had made "an extraordinary discovery."

Elizabeth Stone, an expert on the antiquities of ancient Mesopotamia at New York's Stony Brook University, said it made sense that ancient Mesopotamians would depict their mythological ark as round.

"People are going to envision the boat however people envision boats where they are," she said. "Coracles are not unusual things to have had in Mesopotamia."

The tablet records a Mesopotamian god's instructions for building a giant vessel - two-thirds the size of a soccer field in area - made of rope, reinforced with wooden ribs and coated in bitumen.

Finkel said that on paper (or stone) the boat-building orders appear sound, but he doesn't yet know whether it would have floated. A television documentary due to be broadcast later this year will follow attempts to build the ark according to the ancient manual.

The flood story recurs in later Mesopotamian writings including the "Epic of Gilgamesh." These versions lack the technical instructions - cut out, Finkel believes, because they got in the way of the storytelling.

"It would be like a Bond movie where instead of having this great sexy red car that comes on, somebody starts to tell you about how many horsepower it's got and the pressure of the tires and the capacity of the boot (trunk)," he said. "No one cares about that. They want the car chase."

Finkel is aware his discovery may cause consternation among believers in the Biblical story. When 19th-century British Museum scholars first learned from cuneiform tablets that the Babylonians had a flood myth, they were disturbed by its striking similarities to the story of Noah.

"Already in 1872 people were writing about it in a worried way - What does it mean that Holy Writ appears on this piece of Weetabix?" he joked, referring to a cereal similar in shape to the tablet.

Finkel has no doubts.

"I'm sure the story of the flood and a boat to rescue life is a Babylonian invention," he said.

He believes the tale was likely passed on to the Jews during their exile in Babylon in the 6th century B.C. And he doesn't think the tablet provides evidence the ark described in the Bible existed. He said it's more likely that a devastating real flood made its way into folk memory, and has remained there ever since.

"I don't think the ark existed - but a lot of people do," he said. "It doesn't really matter. The Biblical version is a thing of itself and it has a vitality forever.

"The idea that floods are caused by sin is happily still alive among us," he added, pointing out a local councilor in England who made headlines recently for saying Britain's recent storms were caused by the legalization of gay marriage.

"Had I known it, it would have gone in the preface of the book," Finkel said."

See: projectavalon.net/Ark-Pre-dating-Noah-s... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67770-Ark-Pre-dating-Noah-s...)