Alternative and Esoteric View of Alien Phenomenon (from around the web)

[Kalamos]

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[naste.de.lumina]

Great job my friend Calamus.
thank you

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

You said this very well.

Humans cannot practice racial self hatred and survive at the same time.
All this recent eugenics talk is outright creepy!
The worst thing about it is that it's a borrowed theme, in fact almost a meme -- mindless and all-encompassing!

Thank you for a very thoughtful thread, which incidentally hits the nail on the head.

Humans have to find and believe in their own Inner Divinity, assume some confidence in their species!

Humans should stand up and say a collective "I AM", before running off for a second opinion (from ET)!!

I actually do believe in ET contact, with the difference being, ET isn't necessarily going to tell you where the thought came from.

Why would ET's bother with humans if we weren't capable of thinking "on the level"?
If they interact with us at all, I think it is from a standpoint of excitement and awe.
And one of careful wariness of the human population as a reckoning force.

[Frederick Jackson]

Just on alien abduction and sleep paralysis and their not wanting to affect our evolution. Have you considered the work of David Jacobs and a few others on the abduction phenomena? For many years I just assumed the abduction cases were sleep paralysis and Freudian cases. No longer. All the independent cases are just too similar and too consistent. Dr. Jacobs comes to the conclusion after dealing with abductees for 40 years that the only conclusion that can be drawn is that one species at least (associated with the greys) is hyhbridizing with us and is just now beginning to integrate in our society.

Thanks for your research. The whole ufo alien agenda and extradimensional phenomena (along with government and NWO complicity) is an incredible can of worms. It is good to do as you are doing to make a start a sorting it our, forming hypotheses and catagorizing information. I am trying this just a tiny bit with catagories of sightings, like: Energetic, craft like; cigar shaped; light orbs etc. Kind of a taxonomy for a beginner.

[gripreaper]

The pure white light of all that is, call it god if you want, the one source, does not have any delineation of opposites and is not dual in nature. As this light descends, like the prism refracts into the rainbow, the duality of opposites occurs and the further into density this light travels, the more it manifest in physicality. The colors of the rainbow represent the different frequencies, the violet being the fastest and the least dense, descending in order and amplitude through indigo, blue, green, yellow, orange, and red, with red being the slowest and most dense.

http://www.colourbox.com/preview/1747521-445007-prism-refracting-light-beam-to-colors.jpg

The dimensions are the same. We live in physicality, what some call 3rd dimension, the slowest densest manifestation of duality, where the speed of the oscillations between the opposites makes everything appear quite solid. The further you go into the faster and less dense frequencies, you still have duality, but manifestation becomes less solid. These we call the astral planes. You still have the duality of opposites, yet it is not as pronounced. Once the speed of the energetic oscillations become so fast, the solidity no longer exists and duality dissolves back into oneness.

As long as there is duality of opposites, there will be both extremes of manifestation, whether it is 3d or astral. Where many get confused, is when they tap into the astral planes. It is challenging to discern which side of the polarity one is observing, while assuming that one is experiencing the non dual states of the pure essence of the undifferentiated light. It is also difficult to discern if one is in communion with their higher self, or someone else’s. There is all manner of manifestation in duality, both in the physical and the astral, and in the astral, we call manifestation aliens.

Our higher self is that part of us which remains in the astral and attempts to guide us, and we agreed, while incarnation, that the free will of the incarnate is the highest authority for the higher self and the soul. The rest of who we are remains in the pureness of light, which is the soul self or the I AM presence.

The human part of us, which is incarnate, retains the souls and the higher self aspects. It has a phenomenal ability of mind and etheric energy, to manifest anything it can imagine, given the right amount of focused mind and energetic intention. Some abduction experiences are very real in the mind while others actually are abducted physically, but I would not characterize these as astral.

When one says that we need to fight the dark forces, they are saying they wish to cut off an aspect of themselves which is part of the opposites which they create manifestation with, and therefore are seeking to sequester part of who they are from wholeness. You see, looking at oneself from the non dual state, nothing is good or evil. Nothing has opposites.

Once we view the opposites as a part of wholeness, and do not judge them as good or evil, something with which to do battle, then discernment of the astral becomes easier and no energy vamping can occur. WE can’t kill or destroy that part of us which is just playing the other side of the energetic oscillation for it is that very movement between the polarities which causes manifestation, the very creation of the hologram which is your intention.

Yes, you are that powerful, and yes, you are made up of both light and dark in duality. It is the polarization to one extreme or the other which gives them strength and manifestation which is not in unity and feels either painful or exotic in 3d and discordant or blissful in the astral. This is also a free will choice. The more we polarize the opposites in duality, the more pain or extacy we create.

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[donk]

I stopped concerning myself with aliens and their possible agendas, and took to looking at it from the food chain angle

Food, of course, literally being our energy, so more accurately, the "energy chain" angle.

I believe that there's some kind of "life", which to me is consciousness, that consumes every kind of energy imaginable...is every "niche" is filled by some critter or another, ranging from seemingly mindless "bug" or amoeba type (whether physical or otherwise) that doesn't seem to reason like we do, their existence seems like "mere survival" to us...to complex god-like beings that have a better understanding of existence than we do (or more accurately, a wider range of senses and abilities to discern reality/existence)...and everything in between.

Just an infinite range of "life", agendas, personalities, existences, etc. All here, and "all everywhere". I've concerned myself with those that I can't easily directly detect that intersect with my direct reality. Particularly those that seem to feed off of human emotional energy. And even more specifically those that not only feed off of emotion, that may be able to manipulate us into feeding them...whether they benevolent seeming farmer types or straight parasitic vampires.

I don't care if they come from Washington DC or Alpha Centauri or my own imagination...I'm only concerned with any that may directly effect my current existence, my here & now. That's narrowed my search parameters in my journey quite a bit, maybe that's helpful?

PS forgive any redundancy I only read the OP (when it was originally posted), I will catch up when I can...

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[jtcribbs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5Ry9PnHxI

Richard West just posted his latest YouTube on this topic recently...

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One problem due to the fact that consciousness is energy is that focusing on the alien abductors/imprisoner/mind-****s tends to amplify the strong/bad emotions even further in that direction...and actually imprisoning you yet again.

So it's kind of a fine line to come into higher consciousness and acknowledge that you are witnessing a lot of the evil stuff out there that you never noticed before (in the spiritual or "out there" domain, not just the immediate physical world of crime and bad behavior and such), a fine line to still kind of hold it together mentally/emotionally and keep moving on.

Humans simply cannot solve these problems alone...in their own kingdom, they still have to reach higher for guidance...into the Hierarchy. But then we hear the if's and but's...if there is a planetary Hierarchy how do we know they are not "fake", just posing as good guys but actually trapping us?

I think the answer is very simple and obvious...the Truth always presents an unlimited horizon to grow into and this Path becomes more clear to see the longer and farther you travel and expand into it.

Notice on the Richard West video he is very astute and has the outline mapped out very close from his subconscious and superconscious connections, yet even he doesn't talk explicitly in esoteric terms here. But even he gets himself trapped to the extent that he focuses on thoughts that "we can't get off this planet", etc. It's that self-limiting aspect...if you energize those thoughts you do find yourself sidetracked or set back, in the prison planet basically. And the involutionary energies of the cosmos are there, ready and waiting, to go to work helping you build up your prison even more. Need a new slave-driving alien race? You got it! Need it to look and feel super real with crazy eyeballs and lizard tongues? You got it! Is it materially real, real abductions and pain and ****? Yep!!! Consciousness=Matter=Energy It IS materially real, it IS. But is that the whole story? Nope!!! There are ever higher dimensions/aspects to Consciousness=Matter=Energy...Form is temporary, thus Illusion is possible. Illusion is seeing Form, but not all that is beyond it, or every dimension Form possesses or even seeing the underlying Essence to all things. There are many things going on (and infinitely more interesting! That's the cosmic joke with the alien stuff...the waste of time and attention really), far beyond the negative stuff...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

this is something i posted on another thread. You seem to be interested in abduction i see is a common theme in your posts.

Id like to point something out.

Your world , ie your body containing your soul , if you believe the word of God is eternal. It is not anybodies property but yours and if this is true what happens to it in a spiritual space has nothing to do with its experiences in physical form other than the fact its an experience. Pulling the lens out to a macro view , if we are eternal souls of energy , then it is plausible that over time we would want to forget who we are to have unique experiences again for the first time.

SO if you are abducted , enjoy it : 0 ) hopefully they wont put anything up your bottom : 0 )

looking outwardly now think of plausible associations... their means and ends...
why would our movers and shakers have under ground bases if they have off planet associates ?

because they dont ... they are not welcome out there , believe me ...

their technology will always be slanted towards control, this is their playground and they are well resourced.

taking control of us ( the slaves )

because that's what suits them ( the self appointed rulers )

I have to admit i am a self appointed ruler... i rule my self and i wont allow anybody to rule me ( except when it suits me of course )

I read recently in a book from the USSR ( de classified alien documents )

a paragraph told to us from an un disclosed ET advisor

the question was posed , how can we with sticks and stones defend our selves against a tyrannical government hell bent on enslaving us ? The answer was

" You already have once long ago .. you defeated your rulers who had far more advanced technology than today with mere sticks and stones... but today you wont be as effective because you have lost your courage... "

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[Agape]

To all you speculators about the ET/Human paradigm

and before you continue to trouble your minds with the puzzle that no one has solved successfully so far , especially not without good understanding of the overall meaning of human life of earth .
I wonder how many of you have asked yourself the same question ..of ''why are we here '' on this planet , ''what is our purpose'' in the Universe, ''why were we created '' such and such a way .
Truly, whether you call yourself God believers or not, you must have questioned the greater purpose of our existence , intelligence , meaning of life . Countless philosophers in the past tried to answer that to themselves and others, in countless ways ..

As there is old saying in India , ''The Truth is One but sages express it differently '' .

Speaking of 'truth' I don't mean some kind of ephemeral undetectable philosophical reality but what we commonly observe and experience as the REALITY of our lives, life in general and also the life-less universe surrounding it .

When physicists describe what REALITY is ..the depiction is not really simple no matter how objective we try to remain. It may look like fields, energies anticipating one another , waves and particles , infinity of what you call 'creation' , 'evolution' and 'dissolution' . It may look like endless quanta of puzzling characters who can decide yet whether to turn 'right' or 'left' ,
whether to become 'dense and solid' or 'let be' , whether to do 'conscious act' or 'random decision' .

In another words, even a physicist inquiring about true nature of REALITY, down to the minutest particle of mind and matter , trying to remain OBJECTIVE as he can , discovers puzzle at the end, a polarity , a paradigm.
Things are not 'fixed' at their places as they seem to be , that's for one . Secondly , they are all pretty illusory .

When you watch long wide river from the airplane it looks like thin blue thread . So do human highways with cars like tiny bugs till they disappear from your sight completely . The clusters of lights at night ..are your megacities .
And if you go still further and beyond in your view, Earth will finally look as Carl Sagan coined it 'the Pale Blue Dot' .
Dot among billions of other dots .. circling more energetic and shiny dots . When you get that far , appalled by the beauty of shiny dots and their pathways, spirals of galaxies and spaces in between them,
it's what becomes 'an important reality' for you at that moment . You can get lost in it ..why not, it's huge ..

The dust on your cupboards, and nasty neighbours and bad payed job on earth and over salted vegetable ..;) down there on the tiniest of blue dots called Planet Earth is comparatively unimportant .
You can't really say how many of those 'dots' have similar life like yours or some very other life that contains better or worse jobs, neighbours and vegetables .

The estimates soar high .. they're almost near to touch looking from beyond .. yet, the only life that seems to give true meaning to you is the one your consciously recall and experience.

Through understanding the one thoroughly you can understand many . Without understanding it well .. you will be lost .

Our human senses and consideration are limited. In physical terms it's called the RELATIVITY of the observer and the observed .

In philosophies and religious esoteric teachings the same fact is referred to as the 'Illusion' , the Mahamaya , in Buddhist logic they call it 'co-dependent origination' and say many people have good deal of problem to get through the point well ..

'Co-dependent origination' , or 'Relativity' are one and the same thing from where I see it. Without 'you' there is no 'me' . Without me being as I am, being defined ( yet not ) as 'quantum entity' in certain (less more ) specific terms ,
with certain range of sensory perception and certain mental abilities, this interaction does not happen .
Without you being so defined , this very moment loses meaning , no one is reading it . Even then .. it's your own thoughts that has already happened many times before and you're just recalling them again in what is called 'quantum process' these days.

''I am but a figment of your own imagination '' . And ''we '' are both relative .

And so forth. The definition never ends unless you end it but what is truly important to observe and where I was pointing to , originally that at the end of your very human puzzle there is always paradigm of human perception of duality .


This is important to stress and underline. There is no 'clear cut solution' without seeing this point clearly enough .

The REALITY of human understanding is full of paradigms and polarity of perception and experience.
From any physical, or psychological, or psycho-spiritual ,or societal , biological or any other point of view,

not only there isn't anything or anyone being clearly defined , there isn't anything or anyone exempted from being included in the duality/polarity/paradigm of human perception , as long as you are part of the field .

Good and bad, right and wrong , freedom and enslavement, knowledge and ignorance , awareness or not , at this or any other moment of human history , there is not anything or anyone that can be defined precisely and ultimately in one term only .

I'm not 'preaching dualism' by saying so, it's an observation. Observation about your human lives . Life on Earth in general .

You can't say exactly whether things work exactly the same way everywhere in the Universe but here they do.

I can assure you that there 'better places' out there and 'worse spots' as well . You would probably say ''heavens and hells' of reality .

Because this is only one little dot about billions, do not forget it please .. your view is so far, specific and defined, limited yet limitless . In either case it's relative view .


It's important to realise this when encountering all the people who are trying to talk about 'good and bad aliens' and 'who they really are' and 'we will explain you all about it' . The same people often fail to understand themselves , and not only that,
they fail to understand other humans .

Every old wisdom started with ''Know Thyself'' . By knowing how your own system , organism, mind and you as entity work you will experience a lot more about the REALITY of the Universe as well and will understand what are the others going through or if they function differently .

People talk .. good and bad .. about each other , and it's never ending talk . Everything serves them 'good' one moment and 'bad' another and so it is with 'true knowledge' and 'i really know you' and 'i know you not' .
Even the best of people were often called terrorists , criminals and barbarians in their life for all their good efforts.

It does not really matter whether you are Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela or Bill Gates , no matter whether you are a saint or a sinner, people will always criticise, always will misunderstand. In fact , more you try to do for them .

Because the reality is so complicated ...

They will love you and hate you and say you are no one and don't exist . And doing this all only for yourself . Put you to jail, then elevate you to divine status and put you back to jail, all in one life and as they please and as history requires .


I really hope that you can read through the lines . Besides that ... I don't think that most people have to be overly concerned about whether there are ETs on Earth or not unless they met one and the chances of having 'full fledged ET encounter' are rare .

See this. You are sharing this planet with other several millions of distinct species. From them all , the portion of them you encounter during your life is minute, something like 0,01% .
The rest of them ..say most of them live with you but you can't see them without really strong microscope .

As well as all those billion of Stars above .. that can't be seen with naked eye .


It's difficult to understand how an elephant 'works' , thinks, some people spend lives on understanding one 'alien' specie . Others study human medicine to depth and trying to understanding how human organism works. It's an endless effort . It has much less definitive answers than you want to know about.

You want to be assured by your GP that he knows well. If you could 'scan ' the depth of his 'true insight' you might run away .

Now .. take some more advanced and differently evolved entity from elsewhere trying to communicate with you here and how does he/she feel . How do I feel . Do I hope that you will understand ? Do I fear you won't ? Well, me thinks you will, a little bit .

Because there are principles we share in common ... curiosity and empathy and anxiety and much much else .


Well. Looks like long post and I'm not sure it would deserve own thread .:biggrin1:


There 's an ancient Vedic prayer, very well known prayer repeated often at the end of all ceremonies that comes from Rigveda I believe and is thousands of years old , and not tight to any particular religion or faith that says :

ASATOMA SAT GAMAYA

TAMASOMA JYOTI GAMAYA

MRTIYOMA AMRITAM GAMAYYA

It means .. may we be guided from the 'Un-Truth' to the 'Truth' . Sat means the Truth and also 'Tat Sat' . That what is. The REALITY .

May we be guided from Darkness to the Light . The Darkness means ignorance. Light means Light and knowledge and all it means

May we be guided from Death to Immortality . From relative, temporary existence to eternal life and understanding .


Merry Christmas :angel:

[Kalamos]

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[Milneman]

ok bro...this one is for you...I'm just going to type...I think you know what this means. ;)

Go to the mirror. Look into the mirror. What do you see? Why is what you see in the mirror any more real than he who looks into the mirror? What does the mirror really reflect?

I had this understanding with my memories. I was going to doubt them, and then I was just going to carry on living my life without thinking about them. Then I started this personal development rakafrakarickarack...and peeling the levels of the onion that is the parts of myself that I hadn't dealt with, the issues I hadn't dealt with, and the more I dealt with the closer I got to the few things that I didn't deal with...Yup....jawas carrying me down the stairs, laying on tables while reptiles in cloaks wave wands over me, watching banquets where people are...on the menu, you get the idea.

Rationally....I'm sitting there reading this, and I laugh n' go YEAH RIGHT! So if you are? I'd say you're normal, Raul. :)

As a philosopher, I'd suggest one of two things. Either the ET phenomenon isn't real, or there's a flaw with the world view. Is the world view flexible enough to incorporate ET phenomena? Is it important to incorporate it into your world view? If it isn't? Don't sweat it. If it is.....why?

Maybe your world view is right, and I'm psychotic. ;) It's possible! I've even considered it! Except that when I think I've reached the point where I'm comfortable fitting all of this stuff into one neat tidy little package, along comes something like...well....seeing someone walk through my room who isn't from here, or hearing someone who isn't from here in the corner of my room actively closing doors...and not physical doors....

I know Tokyo exists. I've never been to Tokyo. I don't plan on going to Tokyo. Tokyo isn't going to come to me any time soon. ;)

I know airplanes exist. I've been on an airplane. I don't plan on taking another airplane any time soon.

I know UFOs exist. I've seen them. I've been on them. I don't want it to be true, but not believing it makes my head hurt....when I accept it at least as possible, my world view shifts a little bit...but not much.

I know ETs exist. I've met at least 3 kinds of them. One of them is getting very personal with me these days (I know, this sounds INSANE! I know how insane I sound when I say it!). Crazy thing is? I don't trust my experiences. But I accept the possibility that they are real. Does that fit into my world view? Yuhuh. :)

Here's something you can try, direct from the horse's mouth.

World views can be tested three ways: (R. Totten, 2004)

1. Is the world view non-contradictory? If you apply the theories to themselves, do they break down?
2. Does the world view stand consistent to rational facts about the world, human beings, history; the worldview which accounts for the greatest number of facts, with the fewest difficulties, has the highest probability of being a worldview which is true.
3. Can you live the world view easily? When one is done with the philosophy, is it easy to walk the walk on a daily basis?

Just a set of tools to consider. I know your brain is crunching hard on this one. I'm still working on the selfie. ;)

You're in my thoughts and prayers daily, R.

Pete

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[Milneman]

Do you want an et experience?

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[Milneman]

Ok. :)

Normally I wouldn't say this....but....why not ask?

And be careful what you wish for. ;)

Merry Christmas. ;)

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?noredirect=1&v=crVV7mFBfBg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcrVV7mFBfBg%26noredirect%3D1

Relevant to watch for this thread...

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