So Flu Vaccines are safe, eh.. (not)

[Bob]

Glaxo is in the spotlight once again.

18 Dec, 2013

From New Scientist reporting - IS YOUR CHILD (or you) suffering from Narcolepsy? Did you receive a swine flu shot? Did you ever get the swine flu?

"Some 200 children in Sweden and Finland developed narcolepsy after receiving Pandemrix, a flu vaccine made by GlaxoSmithKline and now withdrawn. (vaccine NOT SAFE).

"A study of eight European countries confirmed the link in Sweden and Finland, but not in the UK, Ireland or the Netherlands, although there were some reports of vaccine-linked narcolepsy in those countries.

"The disease was very rare, affecting at most one in 15,000 vaccinated children in the Nordic countries, where most young people were vaccinated. Fewer were vaccinated elsewhere, so there may not have been enough narcolepsy cases to detect statistically, says Miriam Sturkenboom of Erasmus Medical Centre in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, who led the study."

The problem is with the vaccine, when a person's immune system learns to recognize and fight the virus, it mistakes the brain protein for an invader, too. So the person's immune system starts to attack itself.

Exposure to Swine flu itself could also lead to the disorder: after the pandemic, China saw a fourfold rise in narcolepsy in children who didn't receive any flu vaccine. New research has now revealed the link between the two: part of a surface protein on the pandemic virus looks very similar to part of a brain protein that helps keep people awake.

The issue then is complex. A person given a specific vaccine, their own immune system may start to attack not just an invading virus, but can get screwed up and attack the body. Getting the flu may lead to worse auto-immune responses.. Obviously the vaccine solution is NOT the one shot fixes it, one shot can indeed do a lot of damage..

ref: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24772-flu-vaccine-helps-unravel-complex-causes-of-narcolepsy.html#.UrI4IPRDtIE

ref Narcolepsy - http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/narcolepsy/detail_narcolepsy.htm

[DNA]

Dr. Oz tows the official line on agreeing folks should get the flu shot until asked if his kids are immunized, to which he is caught off guard while replying no.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGNn_prJXhg

[DeDukshyn]

A few links on flu shot safety and efficacy ...

This one is good ... made me chuckle ...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54736-Piers-Morgan-Sick-After-Getting-Flu-Jab-On-TV&p=622260&viewfull=1#post622260

The Flu is one of 2 main viruses and their subtypes, in reality, "flu like symptoms" can be caused by any of hundreds of viruses that can cause similar symptoms (even excluding the cold viruses), so chances that your "flu" shot will keep you from getting a flu-like illness are pretty slim to none, and Slim is leaving town. You get a placebo effect at best, which I guess might be better than nothing -- if they didn't fill the vaccines with weird stuff. Check this link:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-deaths-reality-check-1.1127442

Flu shots have been observed statistically to increase incidences of influenza -- not suppress them ... hmmm interesting, adds more value yet to the first link I posted ... Check this report:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-shot-linked-to-higher-incidence-of-flu-in-pandemic-year-1.1287363

And if everyone believes that vaccines are safe, why does the manufacturers of flu shots, not remotely stand behind the safety of their products? They dictate to governments that they will be in no way responsible, nor accountable for any damage the vaccines may cause, and in all events of illness or death, you government is 100% on the hook, having to use your tax dollars to clean up big Pharma's mess. Wow! Talk about washing your hands clean after the crime!!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/taxpayers-on-hook-for-any-h1n1-vaccine-damages-1.815319

And in general, do not forget the role of new vaccines in the elite's depopulation program ... Link here, if you haven't all seen it ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Some people believe that Autism Spectrum Disorders and other common mental disorders can be traced to the same mechanism shown above,
that of the immune system being keyed to attack specific proteins in the body.

Heparan Sulfate seems to be one of the materials being stripped from bodies with ruined immune systems.

Scientists claim they don't know Hep B vaccine does this.

[Bob]

it still wouldn't surprise me of most if not all auto-immune "disease" responses were due to virus' and maybe triggered by being exposed to other primates who were vaccinated (cross species transference)

[DeDukshyn]

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Scientists claim they don't know Hep B vaccine does this.

That's exactly likely how the vaccine works. It destroys your body's ability to make / utilize that molecule, which defeats the viruses ability to infect you, as it also serves as a receptor for some viruses - likely the one in question, considering the previous. However, -- even just looking at Wikipedia ... kinda says it all here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heparan_sulfate) ... ?


It is in this form that HS binds to a variety of protein ligands and regulates a wide variety of biological activities, including developmental processes, angiogenesis, blood coagulation and tumour metastasis. HS has been shown to serve as cellular receptor for a number of viruses including the respiratory syncytial virus (Hallak et al. 2000)

I'm not a scientist or anything - just trying to connect dots. Could be wrong, but it seemed logical, until further notice. :)

[DeDukshyn]

it still wouldn't surprise me of most if not all auto-immune "disease" responses were due to virus' and maybe triggered by being exposed to other primates who were vaccinated (cross species transference)

My personal opinion is that they are due largely to inefficiencies in vitamin D and in organic sulphur -- D particularly. The RDA of D3 as a supplement is 400 ius. 15 minutes in the sun gives you tens of thousands ius. What has the "media" been saying to us for 40 years? "Stay away from the sun - it gives you cancer" - then big pharma / cosma produces cancer causing sunblocks to "make it true".

I checked into the studies that caused human deaths on vitamin D. Extreme doses of vitamin D was curing almost everything in the early research. The kept testing on more and more aggressive diseases, with higher and higher doses. initial research - incredible results. However, they found the human limits, and a few people did die after receiving up to millions of ius of vitamin D within a single month as part of their treatment. That's when the demonization started by Big Pharma.

10 000 iu's per day is commonly considered a good amount of vitamin D to get by natural advisors and NDs. Or, just get some sun, seriously -- get your sun - it is what was intended. The sun / radiation "scare" is left over remnants from the 60's when atmospheric nuclear testing was rampant -- they need a scape goat - and the sun, having no defense, was perfect.

Studies have shown a direct correlation between auto-immune incidences and latitude -- which points to vitamin D inefficiency as a culprit.

That said, there's a ton-load of viruses out there, infecting us all the time, that we know nothing or little about ...

[Bob]

it still wouldn't surprise me of most if not all auto-immune "disease" responses were due to virus' and maybe triggered by being exposed to other primates who were vaccinated (cross species transference)

My personal opinion is that they are due largely to inefficiencies in vitamin D and in organic sulfur -- D particularly. The RDA of D3 as a supplement is 400 ius. 15 minutes in the sun gives you tens of thousands ius. What has the "media" been saying to us for 40 years? "Stay away from the sun - it gives you cancer" - then big pharma / cosma produces cancer causing sunblocks to "make it true".
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I'll add some support - definitely Vitamin D in the precise amount needed to do the job -

Here some caution in using the sunblocks.. SOME sunblocks and cosmetics are containing nano-particles, and we have a full thread on the nano-particle dangers (nano-particles the sizes of virus' and quite possibly also contributing to the immune system fiasco's.. )

It wouldn't surprise me if nano-particle dosing, could alter the "protein coat" template recognition of T-Cells.. A changed pattern, or contaminated pattern, altered, and the body's immune system may not recognize itself, cause itself has been "adulterated" with nano-particles. It's been shown many times, nano-particles WILL cross the blood brain barrier which prevents a lot of larger molecules from getting across. Anything that gets across that barrier then, can significantly change what's in the brain.

Here's a series of reference posts in a thread on Avalon on that.. as well as some key posts in the thread that may help tie it all together...
(There is a company that did create a nano-vaccine also cited in the post references with horrendous results).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&p=745733&viewfull=1#post745733 triggering references, body locations affected

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&p=746050&viewfull=1#post746050 nano-vaccines, drugs and damages

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&p=745739&viewfull=1#post745739 nano-titanium oxide in sunblock

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64534-DNA-Nano-Technology-triggering&p=746173&viewfull=1#post746173 nano-report org - shows who and what products are nano-laced

I am going to venture a guess that Vitamin-D is a scavenger of nano-sized particles.. Let's see what doing a Google shows..

"The new study found that the body's "innate" immune response to infection--a swift, first-line defense against a variety of pathogens by immune scavenger cells called macrophages--is critically dependent on vitamin D. "

"In 1992, a team led by Bloom discovered how macrophages killed M. tuberculosis in laboratory mice: by producing nitric oxide. So scientists began hunting for a similar mechanism in human immune cells in test tube studies. They and many other scientists searched and searched, but the quest proved disappointing.

"Then a breakthrough came, in 2005, in the laboratory of Robert Modlin, a professor of dermatology and microbiology, immunology, and molecular genetics at UCLA and a longtime collaborator of Bloom's. In Modlin's lab, a postdoctoral scholar named Philip Liu and his co-workers began genetically screening two related types of human white cells to see which genes were switched "on" and "off" when the cells encountered M. tuberculosis. Only in the macrophages capable of killing the tubercle bacillus did they find that the major switched-on gene encoded the receptor molecule for vitamin D."

The study was summarizing that sunlight induced Vitamin D formation increased the immune system's ability to deal with Tuberculosis.

Could we assume that the children in the high latitude countries, Sweden and Finland even though they would have had more natural Sunlight triggered Vitamin D formation had used NANO-AUGMENTED sunscreens? Logic being the corporate marketeers to sell nanosunscreen: verybright sun.. protect the kiddies using hyper SPF>50 sunscreen containing nanoparticles; that passed the blood brain barrier, lodged in the brain, then the vaccine triggered immune response went after the nano-modified brain proteins.. a compounded problem due to not understanding the dangers of nanoparticles that can pass the blood brain barrier, and penetrate cells easier than a virus can.


http://www.sitesatlas.com/Maps/Maps/502.gif

So what's the summary - nano-particles, plus viruses, plus lack of nanoparticle scavengers and one has a recipe for disaster..

The flu's and other viruses are sized from 10 nanometers thru 300 to 400 nanometers - this is well within the ranges of the nano-particles present in the atmosphere, in some drugs and sunscreens. That's a bad combination.

As was shown in the Glaxo vaccine fiasco in Sweden and Finland. What to do? It's possible that the use of nano-particle sunscreens or ingesting nanoparticle substances, and drugs/vaccines based on nano-sized substances (including "deactivated or attenuated viruses") has more unknowns about the interactions than the potential benefits.. More proper research would need to be done.. Obviously proper immune system aids would be beneficial, such as free radical scavengers..

[DeDukshyn]

Pretty well assembled observation ... :)

[Silvanus]

Glaxo is in the spotlight once again.

18 Dec, 2013

From New Scientist reporting - IS YOUR CHILD (or you) suffering from Narcolepsy? Did you receive a swine flu shot? Did you ever get the swine flu?

"Some 200 children in Sweden and Finland developed narcolepsy after receiving Pandemrix, a flu vaccine made by GlaxoSmithKline and now withdrawn. (vaccine NOT SAFE).

"A study of eight European countries confirmed the link in Sweden and Finland, but not in the UK, Ireland or the Netherlands, although there were some reports of vaccine-linked narcolepsy in those countries.

"The disease was very rare, affecting at most one in 15,000 vaccinated children in the Nordic countries, where most young people were vaccinated. Fewer were vaccinated elsewhere, so there may not have been enough narcolepsy cases to detect statistically, says Miriam Sturkenboom of Erasmus Medical Centre in Rotterdam, the Netherlands, who led the study."

The problem is with the vaccine, when a person's immune system learns to recognize and fight the virus, it mistakes the brain protein for an invader, too. So the person's immune system starts to attack itself.

Exposure to Swine flu itself could also lead to the disorder: after the pandemic, China saw a fourfold rise in narcolepsy in children who didn't receive any flu vaccine. New research has now revealed the link between the two: part of a surface protein on the pandemic virus looks very similar to part of a brain protein that helps keep people awake.

The issue then is complex. A person given a specific vaccine, their own immune system may start to attack not just an invading virus, but can get screwed up and attack the body. Getting the flu may lead to worse auto-immune responses.. Obviously the vaccine solution is NOT the one shot fixes it, one shot can indeed do a lot of damage..

ref: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24772-flu-vaccine-helps-unravel-complex-causes-of-narcolepsy.html#.UrI4IPRDtIE

ref Narcolepsy - http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/narcolepsy/detail_narcolepsy.htm

Awesome info! "vaccine logic" is a contradiction in itself, Jon Rapport explained it perfectly:

"First of all, I need to point out a massive contradiction. When a person receives a vaccine, it's said that his body produces antibodies against a particular germ and this is a good thing. Vaccination thus prepares the body for the day when that germ will really make its attack, at which point the immune system (including antibodies) will mount a successful defense.

However, let's look at another venue: for many diseases, when a person is given a blood test to see if he is infected, quite often the standard for infection is "presence of antibodies."

This makes no sense at all. If vaccination produces those antibodies, it is heralded as protection. But if a diagnostic blood test reveals those same antibodies, it's a signal of infection and disease.

Vaccine-produced antibodies=health. Antibodies naturally produced by the body=illness."

"So let's go deeper. What does vaccination supposedly do to "prepare" the body against the future invasion of a particular germ? It stimulates the production of antibodies against that germ.

Antibodies are immune-system scouts that move through the body, identify germs, and paint them for destruction by other immune-system troops.

However, since the entire immune system is involved in wreaking that destruction, why is bulking up one department of the immune system---antibodies---sufficient to guarantee future protection?

On what basis can we infer that bulking up antibodies, through vaccination, is enough?

There is no basis. It's a naked assumption. It's not a fact. Logic makes a clear distinction between assumptions and facts. Confusing the two leads to all sorts of problems, and it certainly does in the case of vaccination."

http://www.naturalnews.com/039037_vaccines_logic_dumbed-down_population.html

[Silvanus]

Package insert for Fluzone flu vaccine marketed to seniors reveals 23 seniors died during drug trial:

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/23-seniors-died-after-receiving-this-years-flu-shot-sold-by-pharmacies/

Besides death, which is just one “serious adverse event,” there were 226 other “serious” adverse events, for a total of 249 serious adverse events, out of only 3,833 participants.

Those are absolutely terrible results!!!

[DNA]

Package insert for Fluzone flu vaccine marketed to seniors reveals 23 seniors died during drug trial:

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/23-seniors-died-after-receiving-this-years-flu-shot-sold-by-pharmacies/

Besides death, which is just one “serious adverse event,” there were 226 other “serious” adverse events, for a total of 249 serious adverse events, out of only 3,833 participants.

Those are absolutely terrible results!!!

This is a good post. It probably diserves it's own thread.

[frozen alchemy]

Nano of any kind is the worst mistake for humans to make since the atom bomb and nuclear power plants. How can you 'recall' something so infinitesimally small that it would be like billions of angels dancing on the head of the proverbial pin? This is playing God, and not by anyone with a modicum of sense. Just because we CAN do something, doesn't mean we SHOULD... yet again. For all we know, maybe prions are nano, one generation removed from the laboratory invention.

As to the Vitamin D issue, I've been on 50,000 IUs (not a typo) of D3 for the last half year or so after being diagnosed with a 'mild' form of breast cancer. The incidence of breast cancer in people living at high latitudes and being indoors most of the time convinced me there was a connection, and I've spent my whole life north of the 45th parallel and at desk jobs; my sun exposure could be counted in a few hours a year numbers. Like most of my age group, I grew up under horrid fluorescent lights in school, and most of the year bundled up when going outside. All the time dreaming of a tropical beach somewhere :) Our ancestors spent most of their time naked, outdoors getting hours of sun every day. What's that tell you about what's normal?

[Silvanus]

Package insert for Fluzone flu vaccine marketed to seniors reveals 23 seniors died during drug trial:

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/23-seniors-died-after-receiving-this-years-flu-shot-sold-by-pharmacies/

Besides death, which is just one “serious adverse event,” there were 226 other “serious” adverse events, for a total of 249 serious adverse events, out of only 3,833 participants.

Those are absolutely terrible results!!!

This is a good post. It probably diserves it's own thread.

Thanks, I was thinking about starting a vaccine thread on here...been researching this issue for many years on both sides of the fence and was shocked by my findings. Maybe i'll start one up, it's alot of information but i do believe it helps people and their families make informed decisions. The info coming from the pharmaceutical industry and governments is heavily biased, that is for certain.

[Bob]

"So sorry, we destroyed your brain neurons..."

Narcolepsy update

Have you been uncontrollably falling asleep?

There is a tie in from the H1N1 virus infection and narcolepsy..

There is a tie in from the vaccine for the H1N1 virus and narcolepsy.

Either the vaccine OR acquiring the infection can produce an auto-immune (body created) response which goes after a hypocretin protein found in the brain's nerve cells.

"Emmanuel Mignot, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences, says, “In particular, it strongly suggested to us that T cells of the immune system primed to attack H1N1 can occasionally also cross-react with hypocretin and somehow cause the destruction of hypocretin-producing neurons.”

Researchers are looking into the interaction between T cells and hypocretin affect hypocretin neurons, and whether the process could be blocked to prevent narcolepsy.

They are also looking into the possibility of brain disorders such as schizophrenia being linked to autoimmunity.

NB: (In other words, it is possible that a virus infection triggered brain cell destruction when the immune system gets confused about certain molecules in the VIRUS which closely resemble molecules found in the body's nervous system).

Their study at the Stanford University School Of Medicine showed “molecular mimicry” between a region of hypocretin protein and a protein in H1N1. The mimicry happens when an immune response to a pathogen, such as H1N1, mistakenly attacks a healthy component of the body.


http://vaccinenewsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/225px-H1N1_influenza_virus.jpg
(notice the spike pattern on the H1N1 virus resembles the spike geometry of Mers-nCov and SARS) - potentially the new K22 inhibitor may work on this virus).

ref: http://vaccinenewsdaily.com/medical_countermeasures/329030-h1n1-triggered-narcolepsy-caused-by-molecular-mimicry/