300 million year old machinery found in Russia

[halffull]

The Voice of Russia and other Russian sources are reporting that a 300 million year old piece of aluminum machinery has been found in Vladivostok. Experts say a gear rail appears to be manufactured and not the result of natural forces.

According to Yulia Zamanskaya, when a resident of Vladivostok was lighting the fire during a cold winter evening, he found a rail-shaped metal detail which was pressed in one of the pieces of coal that the man used to heat his home. Mesmerized by his discovery, the responsible citizen decided to seek help from the scientists of Primorye region. After the metal object was studied by the leading experts the man was shocked to learn about the assumed age of his discovery. The metal detail was supposedly 300 million years old and yet the scientists suggest that it was not created by nature but was rather manufactured by someone. The question of who might have made an aluminum gear in the dawn of time remains unanswered.


http://news44.net/?p=889

[DNA]

I thought your story could use a picture of what you are talking about.


http://joy4mind.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/metal.jpg

[Chip]

I saw this before. This is not as recent as the source suggests. As there are articles that this was introduced to us in Jan 2013.
Not that that means anything. I'm curious why the news source is suggesting its a fresh find though.
Nontheless I love OOPARTs albeit not surprised that the technology of our ancestors (the ones we don't talk about) are being found in coal.
Makes perfect sense to me.

[Maknocktomb]

I have read that many items (artifacts) have been found in coal, especially in the 19th century when it was used daily by people. In the book (I can't recall the name or author, but I'll look for it at home) it showed photos of a gold necklace partially sticking out of the coal as well as a x-ray. In another it was a small bronze statue/toy of a woman. The style/artwork of of the statue was not of any I have seen before.

There is a coal mine in Illinois where you can still seen ruminates of a ancient fern forest. There is so much lost history prior to the last ice age. A lot of it is underwater or just gone. The same would happen to our civilization in less than 10,000 years with the exception of monuments carved in mountains.

[bogeyman]

John Keel in one of his books stated a boot print was found in a 100 million year old rock. It just says that others were here long before we were.

[DeDukshyn]

I saw this before. This is not as recent as the source suggests. As there are articles that this was introduced to us in Jan 2013.
Not that that means anything. I'm curious why the news source is suggesting its a fresh find though.
Nontheless I love OOPARTs albeit not surprised that the technology of our ancestors (the ones we don't talk about) are being found in coal.
Makes perfect sense to me.

I've seen this before Jan 2013. The pic DNA posted is pretty interesting. One of the other pics is likely not gears, but primitive ocean "animals".

[Nick Matkin]

Perhaps we need to eliminate the possibility that's it's a piece broken off the toothed coal-mining equipment before we jump to any other conclusions. From the stories it doesn't even seem to have been considered. And if it's made of metals not found in that machinery, well we have a mystery.

[Carmody]

Look on line for pdf's of the books of Charles Fort.

In those books you will find this sort of anomaly. times 10. times 100.

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The only reason we don't know, the only reason we don't understand.... is because we don't step outside our front door and explore.

[DeDukshyn]

Perhaps we need to eliminate the possibility that's it's a piece broken off the toothed coal-mining equipment before we jump to any other conclusions. From the stories it doesn't even seem to have been considered. And if it's made of metals not found in that machinery, well we have a mystery.

Er ... one point ... it doesn't need to be made of "metals not found in <modern machinery> ..." ... it could contain the same types of metals and still potentially be 300,000 years old, even if by some mechanism we do not understand -- there's no exclusive club for this. Metals have optimal rations of elements -- it's not unfathomable that these optimal rations couldn't be discovered at some point, then again after being lost, at another. Just my 2 cents.

[Carmody]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/fort/

(the complete works of Charles Fort)


In the early twentieth century Charles Fort put together great quantities of exhaustively documented 'puzzling evidence.' This is data which science is unable or unwilling to explain, such rains of fish or blood, mysterious animals, or manufactured artifacts in deep strata. Fort collected numerous accounts of aerial phenomena prior to the invention of aviation, including huge cylinders and spheres in the sky. Many of these would today be considered UFOs.


Book of the Damned
by Charles Fort [1919]
'I think we're property.'

New Lands
by Charles Fort [1923]
Fort uncovers more evidence of visitors in our skies.

Lo!
by Charles Fort [1931]
Is spontaneous teleportation the key to a new view of reality?

Wild Talents
by Charles Fort [1933]
Poltergeists, fire-starters, telekinesis, dowsing--are humans developing new abilities?

[DeDukshyn]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/fort/

(the complete works of Charles Fort)


In the early twentieth century Charles Fort put together great quantities of exhaustively documented 'puzzling evidence.' This is data which science is unable or unwilling to explain, such rains of fish or blood, mysterious animals, or manufactured artifacts in deep strata. Fort collected numerous accounts of aerial phenomena prior to the invention of aviation, including huge cylinders and spheres in the sky. Many of these would today be considered UFOs.

Bookmarked -- thanks tons :)

[Carmody]

For example, the wisdom of Charles, here, on page 14 or so, of the first book. The same things are said today. These observations are universal, in those who look with open and intelligent eyes:


All sciences begin with attempts to define.

Nothing ever has been defined.

Because there is nothing to define.

Darwin wrote The Origin of Species.

He was never able to tell what he meant by a "species."

p. 14

It is not possible to define.

Nothing has ever been finally found out.

Because there is nothing final to find out.

It's like looking for a needle that no one ever lost in a haystack that never was—

But that all scientific attempts really to find out something, whereas really there is nothing to find out, are attempts, themselves, really to be something.

A seeker of Truth. He will never find it. But the dimmest of possibilities—he may himself become Truth.

Or that science is more than an inquiry:

That it is a pseudo-construction, or a quasi-organization: that it is an attempt to break away and locally establish harmony, stability, equilibrium, consistency, entity

Dimmest of possibilities—that it may succeed.

yet, today, with science and it's incredible pile of data, these fundamentals have become washed away. people standing in those reams and reams of data.. they can not see the limits of before, as easily. so they become convinced that the reality of science..is just that.. real. that science defines reality.

Yet, if they walk out of that pile of data, in any direction, they soon encounter a border, a fuzzy edge..and look down from that edge. And to their shock, they see nothing. that their reality they supposed was existing, is actual only an expanded island of self created data that is anchored in...nothing. As Charles said, slightly differently than these words: There are no facts, save one -that there are no facts. Which is paradox.

It goes back to that 'I AM' in the holographic universe thread. That this given moment of actual self realization is all there is, and is the same one that any super intelligence holds. No difference and it begins and ends with that point.

That consciousness - defines. It begins and ends right there.

[DNA]

I saw this before. This is not as recent as the source suggests. As there are articles that this was introduced to us in Jan 2013.
Not that that means anything. I'm curious why the news source is suggesting its a fresh find though.
Nontheless I love OOPARTs albeit not surprised that the technology of our ancestors (the ones we don't talk about) are being found in coal.
Makes perfect sense to me.

I think you are referring to this find.

http://s1.stc.all.kpcdn.net/f/4/image/61/29/622961.jpg

http://joy4mind.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/%D0%9E%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D 1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC.j pg



Credit: Natalia Ostrovsky

Not so long ago in Russia a mechanical device was found in volcanic rock which was dated 400 million years before the current era (B.C.E)

It was found on the remote Kamchatka Peninsula, 150 miles from the village of Tigil, by archaeologists at the University of St. Petersburg among found strange fossils. The reliability of the finds has been certified. According to archaeologist Yuri Golubev the find amazed experts as it was some sort of a machine.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpRvGlluKWg

[Chip]

No I was referring to the original item. It has been previously discovered.



Here is an article on the same object from January
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/01/29/the-mystery-of-ooparts/

[GNC Harteveld]

http://m.ruvr.ru/data/2013/01/25/1335455270/4toothwheel.jpg
On the top right image there is a number 2 etched in the metal (to the right of the shiny metal part).

[Hervé]

Initial Avalon thread, January 2013: 300-Million-Year-Old Tooth Wheel Found In Russian Coal: Scientists (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54700-300-Million-Year-Old-Tooth-Wheel-Found-In-Russian-Coal-Scientists)

From a January 1st article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/300-million-year-old-tooth-gear_n_2527424.html

Taken again by "Beforeitsnews": http://beforeitsnews.com/beyond-science/2013/01/300-million-year-old-machinery-found-in-russia-experts-say-aluminum-gear-not-the-result-of-natural-forces-may-be-extraterrestrial-2440610.html

[GreenGuy]

I don't have any doubt that our understanding and scientific dogmas about the age of civilization and early man are all wrong. Our theories about the age of things, and how materials like coal and petroleum are formed, could also be way off. But it's also worth noting that the Russian press is addicted to the sensational and mysterious. The ancient alien and mysterious monsters TV shows on the History and Military cable channels have nothing on the Russkies.

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Along with Fort, another very important read on these matters is Forbidden Archaeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson. A really really great book. It was one of the first books that sent me down the rabbit hole.


http://www.sacred-texts.com/fort/

(the complete works of Charles Fort)


In the early twentieth century Charles Fort put together great quantities of exhaustively documented 'puzzling evidence.' This is data which science is unable or unwilling to explain, such rains of fish or blood, mysterious animals, or manufactured artifacts in deep strata. Fort collected numerous accounts of aerial phenomena prior to the invention of aviation, including huge cylinders and spheres in the sky. Many of these would today be considered UFOs.


Book of the Damned
by Charles Fort [1919]
'I think we're property.'

New Lands
by Charles Fort [1923]
Fort uncovers more evidence of visitors in our skies.

Lo!
by Charles Fort [1931]
Is spontaneous teleportation the key to a new view of reality?

Wild Talents
by Charles Fort [1933]
Poltergeists, fire-starters, telekinesis, dowsing--are humans developing new abilities?

[GreenGuy]

http://joy4mind.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/%D0%9E%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC.jpg

The photo doesn't give an idea of scale, but I'm nearly sure these are segments of fossilized seabed worms.

[Carmody]

Along with Fort, another very important read on these matters is Forbidden Archaeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race by Michael Cremo and Richard Thompson. A really really great book. It was one of the first books that sent me down the rabbit hole.



Cremo's book is quite expensive and not available in pdf. I can respect that. it is a book I have always meant to buy. High on my list, but I keep forgetting that it exists.

[Hervé]

http://joy4mind.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/%D0%9E%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC.jpg

The photo doesn't give an idea of scale, but I'm nearly sure these are segments of fossilized seabed worms.

So am I, except they are not "worms": a variety of fossilized "Crinoid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crinoid)."


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Isocrinus_nicoleti_Encrinite_Mt_Carmel.jpg/180px-Isocrinus_nicoleti_Encrinite_Mt_Carmel.jpg



http://www.kgs.ku.edu/Extension/fossils/jpegs/crinoids.jpg
Stem fragments from assorted Pennsylvanian (http://www.kgs.ku.edu/Extension/glossary.html#penn) crinoids show some of the variation in the fossils found in Kansas rocks.





http://www.kgs.ku.edu/Extension/fossils/jpegs/stem-pieces.jpg

Individual stem pieces are common fossils in Kansas rocks. These samples of different Pennsylvanian (http://www.kgs.ku.edu/Extension/glossary.html#penn) crinoid species are from the Spring Branch Limestone Member, Lecompton Limestone, (http://www.kgs.ku.edu/Extension/formation.html) Greenwood County, Kansas.




Haven't found better pictures, for the moment.


There, a bit better:


http://img0.etsystatic.com/018/0/7736586/il_fullxfull.536423162_spo4.jpg?ref=l2

[Tesseract]

Not sure what all the fuss is about.

24221

[Beren]

Look on line for pdf's of the books of Charles Fort.

In those books you will find this sort of anomaly. times 10. times 100.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

The only reason we don't know, the only reason we don't understand.... is because we don't step outside our front door and explore.

Thus the fear.
All this effort from wise men and women from past, from messengers, angels, and all help from God to us is to--- be not afraid to step out of the door.
It is our house for God`s sake, our yard, our city, our country, our universe. Because we are God`s sparks, individuations of one.

We came as seeds to this experience on Earth. Seed then grows according to its inner plan into a marvelous Sequoia.
But some others came as whole trees...

But times is here when we are finally leaping out into our being.
Some say it`s far but quantum leap happens now. From where we are - there is no time hence as soon as we "get" this again - voila!

[DeDukshyn]

http://joy4mind.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/%D0%9E%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC.jpg

The photo doesn't give an idea of scale, but I'm nearly sure these are segments of fossilized seabed worms.

Not worms, but likely somewhat related to modern Sand Dollars. The ones from that pic definitely look like primitive creatures to me, and as a younger person, I was quite into the topic. Trilobites and ammonites were my faves ;)

Edit: Once again I see Amzer has beaten me to the details. ;)

[Magnus]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/fort/

(the complete works of Charles Fort)


In the early twentieth century Charles Fort put together great quantities of exhaustively documented 'puzzling evidence.' This is data which science is unable or unwilling to explain, such rains of fish or blood, mysterious animals, or manufactured artifacts in deep strata. Fort collected numerous accounts of aerial phenomena prior to the invention of aviation, including huge cylinders and spheres in the sky. Many of these would today be considered UFOs.


Book of the Damned
by Charles Fort [1919]
'I think we're property.'

New Lands
by Charles Fort [1923]
Fort uncovers more evidence of visitors in our skies.

Lo!
by Charles Fort [1931]
Is spontaneous teleportation the key to a new view of reality?

Wild Talents
by Charles Fort [1933]
Poltergeists, fire-starters, telekinesis, dowsing--are humans developing new abilities?

For convenience, here are the books in PDF: