Are we the Illuminati?

[Tony]

Are we the illuminati?

If we are controlled by a righteous self image, then we are part of the illuminati.

The whole point of meditation is to train in becoming familiar with our true nature,
which is pure uncontaminated empty essence, cognisant nature and unconfined
compassion. When we (this pure uncontaminated empty essence, cognisant nature
and unconfined compassion) created a self image, a mental image, we forgot our
true nature, and so we suffer. As Guru Rinpoche 'Padmasambhava' said,
“..unless you expel this evil spirit, you will find no happiness.”


This is a partial excerpt from Padmasambhava's advice to Lady Tsogyal.

The defect of not training is that you stray from the nature of selflessness.
For ordinary people whose minds have an incorrect philosophy, the self of the
individual is regarded as being that which controls and experiences phenomena
as solid. Moreover, regarding this self as being permanent and concrete, they
fixate on it as being friend and enemy, self and other.

Tsogyal, you must pull up this stake of fixation.

The danger of conceptualisation such as individual self is that by apprehending an
ego and a self-entity, objects will appear as “something other.” By apprehending
this duality, you will regard that which benefits the “self” as friend and that which
harms the “self” as enemy.

Thus the experiences of attachment and aversion will cause you to commit various
unvirtuous actions. Through these actions you will wander in the lower realms and
the whole of samsara.

Tsogyal, unless you expel this evil spirit you will find no happiness...Tsogyal,
as long as you are not free from the beliefs of the lower philosophical schools
you will not perceive the true meaning.

The danger of conceptualising the self of phenomena is that by such assertion and
fixation you will give rise to disturbing emotions. These will cause you to wander
in samsara. That is pointless effort even if you were to exert yourself for aeons.






Tony

[Lifebringer]

I think t's the intent of the awakened to spread the word of what is going on around us, as in revealing what we discover. I don't put people in my frame of mind when I read it, I kinda toss it out there to whoever may just be searching and wondering, and let them come to their own conclusion. Sometimes some people when they step into my frame of mind or loss, as I do when I try to grasp what others are saying in their commentary or response. It's all I can do because sometimes I am working on anger or impatience, and I really wish things moved at our pace of rapid response, but with so many things needing correcting, it's got to be a very tough job, and we are strident in our spreading of information of the people in this country awakening to a gigantic corporate controlled net, that captures or siphons every aspect of one's life. From toilet paper to grave, so to speak.

When others that do control have ill intent or don't consider their actions on other's lives, they may or may not have been trained to have compassion for the least of these, other than giving to a charity. I don't know, but when I focus and ask the higher power God to intervene or protect as in prayer, I mean the good for whoever it is as my human family or "isms." It's as it should be, from the heart and love.

[Tony]

The righteous self image thinks it's awake.
This self righteous image keeps us enslaved: we all know that, but we give in to habitual repetition.
It's only when we truly wake up that we can be truly compassionate - to all. Unconditionally.

The key to getting out of the prison is clarity, which is beyond words and uncontaminated.

Tony

[Agape]

I always thought we are meant to be bright .. and throw Light onto all matters ..though through all the years of hard spiritual practise ( ;) ) I found that Light most of all needs to be used with measure,
not to hurt others and self either .

Laser beam is a good example of how your 'bright mind' needs to be used carefully .

Not to forget about Lao'tze who says '' soften your shiny light , equalise yourself with the dust of the road ' . And ' too much wisdom smells ..'


Then the 'internet paradigm' challenged about everything , guess for us all .. but me personally ..

blessed are those days when my eye sight was 20/20 ( just few years back ) with occasional symptomatic astigmatism . Mum said 'don't roll eyes' when I was young, I disobeyed . After practising natural samadhis and shambhavi mudra ..focus to the middle of eyebrows or whatever they call 3rd eye .. my eyes were very flexible . Probably sensitive as well . I rarely watched TV , except for movies or news , I mean rarely since childhood .

Now this computer screen is real bright and I've been starring to it for many hours a day , roughly since 2006 ..

it's amazing to have so much free information at hand at once , books and movies and whatever you choose . But , the light hurts . And trying to download too much content at once robs me of good sleep .

Not to quote all the other disadvantages. I hope they clear this up within few ( computer ) generations and better fast .
Young kids who spend so much time at screens will be gaining diopters . In short term it's repairable .. in long term ?

....

Ah of course and all the 'bad stuff' on the internet about the Illuminati . Not all that is shining is gold ..

it's probably always better to claim that you were born in poor peasant family and father was a miner . Mother, fully human . 8 siblings , 6 died of hunger . To avoid the blame circus .

On the other hand , if you were , don't say you stole the laptop you're working on. The chances of miracles have increased exponentially .. through diligent efforts .
That's right, diligent effort .

Eventhough ... the ultimate nature of reality ..is effortless , spontaneous , non abiding .. not holding onto anything ..

so why not let everyone do their best before their realise ..


Pranams ( bowing ) to the Ultimate Lap-top-Less Real ET.


Merry Christmas Tony


:pray:

[Carmody]

The righteous self image thinks it's awake.
This self righteous image keeps us enslaved: we all know that, but we give in to habitual repetition.
It's only when we truly wake up that we can be truly compassionate - to all. Unconditionally.

The key to getting out of the prison is clarity, which is beyond words and uncontaminated.

Tony


I like to think it is a group effort this time. As opposed to the usual singular aspect of going clear. That we are doing it as a group, in a lurch of a many thousand legged race.

Very slow going, but it appears to be happening.

To help it be... one way to do it..is that those who have gone clear, have to head back and get covered with the crap, again. To run the gauntlet of awakening, again. and again. If this is about a group, not the norm of the singular going clear, then the tactics and methods have to be different.

In the past, such a method would never work (adjacent learning/awareness spreading/etc). This internet thing, it seems to change that equation. It is harder to control information and commutation between people.

Too add, we are doing it in what is essentially the global 'town square', so everyone can see it happening.

[CivilDawn]

If we are controlled by a righteous self image, then we are part of the illuminati.



Could you please elaborate on this point? I would be interested to hear you talk more about the connections made here in this sentence.

[Tony]

The righteous self image thinks it's awake.
This self righteous image keeps us enslaved: we all know that, but we give in to habitual repetition.
It's only when we truly wake up that we can be truly compassionate - to all. Unconditionally.

The key to getting out of the prison is clarity, which is beyond words and uncontaminated.

Tony


I like to think it is a group effort this time. As opposed to the usual singular aspect of going clear. That we are doing it as a group, in a lurch of a many thousand legged race.

Very slow going, but it appears to be happening.

To help it be... one way to do it..is that those who have gone clear, have to head back and get covered with the crap, again. To run the gauntlet of awakening, again. and again. If this is about a group, not the norm of the singular going clear, then the tactics and methods have to be different.

In the past, such a method would never work (adjacent learning/awareness spreading/etc). This internet thing, it seems to change that equation. It is harder to control information and commutation between people.

Too add, we are doing it in what is essentially the global 'town square', so everyone can see it happening.



Hello Carmody,
We all have different views!


Group effort...?

We are in the very selfish Kali Yuga. The Dark Age. The Iron Age.

Eons ago in the 'Golden Age' this may have happened.
I have heard of 10,000 people meditating together and if one person
became distracted the whole would be distracted.
This was when minds were not so easily distracted, but now...no.
That is just wishful thinking.

Beings do come back, and these are Bodhisattvas.
Not merely someone saying they have come back to help.
Bodhisattvas are beings of great accomplishment.

There isn't even oneness on this forum, so how are we going to even start?



If we could only be willing to try…I'm with you!


Tony

[Carmody]

Only wishful thinking if you decide so, Tony.

After all, you just said so yourself.

If it is 'written in stone', ie predetermined, all paths covered, then it is a static universe, with no point.

I'm not trying to be negative; we do have communication issues on these forums, with our written words on their own -trying to carry a complex communication.

[Tony]

If we are controlled by a righteous self image, then we are part of the illuminati.



Could you please elaborate on this point? I would be interested to hear you talk more about the connections made here in this sentence.



Hello CivilDawn,

If we think a lot of ourselves, our status, our education, our intelligence,
the 'marketing psychologists' are onto us! They give us what we feel we deserve.
This keeps us caught up in the physical and mental world…the fools don't realise
they are caught up in this as well!

We all have to earn a living, but psychologists make us think that we do not have
enough. It is a pyramid system, at each level the deception refines,
so nobody knows what is going on.

Strangely enough spirituality works the same way, but with refining levels
of perception.

The question arises: "So who's behind it all?"
Well, it's not the Illuminati! It's Mara…Archons.

Mara/ Archons are activated by our own self-centredness.
When we are controlled by our own desires and aversion it's feeding time for them.
They feed off negative energy.

All they have to do is give us what we think we deserve. The Illuminati are very weak spiritually,
although they probably think the dark lord is on their side…foolish rabbits.

The good news is, we can easily counter this, and they know it.

However we are foolish rabbits too, for believing they have control over our pure being.
Sure they can control the environment, smash our bodies to pieces, and put strange ideas
in our minds, but they cannot effect…cannot effect our essence.

Our essence is empty, pure, uncontaminated…there no thing there to get hold of.
We are positive energy of pure awareness…and completely compassionate.

They cannot stand pure compassion, but long for it!
These beings are not at all happy.

Out of unconditional compassion, we as spiritual practitioners can rest in pure awareness,
this get them some relief. Mara/Archon/Demons are only spiritual practitioner who got caught
up in spiritual powers and are stuck there.

The answer is and always has been unconditional love.



Tony

[Milneman]

Or to put it in one sentence:

The key to acting with integrity is to simply stop playing the game.

Tony I really do like you! :)

[Carmody]

Hello CivilDawn,

If we think a lot of ourselves, our status, our education, our intelligence,
the 'marketing psychologists' are onto us! They give us what we feel we deserve.
This keeps us caught up in the physical and mental world…the fools don't realise
they are caught up in this as well!

We all have to earn a living, but psychologists make us think that we do not have
enough. It is a pyramid system, at each level the deception refines,
so nobody knows what is going on.

Strangely enough spirituality works the same way, but with refining levels
of perception.

The question arises: "So who's behind it all?"
Well, it's not the Illuminati! It's Mara…Archons.

Mara/ Archons are activated by our own self-centredness.
When we are controlled by our own desires and aversion it's feeding time for them.
They feed off negative energy.

All they have to do is give us what we think we deserve. The Illuminati are very weak spiritually,
although they probably think the dark lord is on their side…foolish rabbits.

The good news is, we can easily counter this, and they know it.

However we are foolish rabbits too, for believing they have control over our pure being.
Sure they can control the environment, smash our bodies to pieces, and put strange ideas
in our minds, but they cannot effect…cannot effect our essence.

Our essence is empty, pure, uncontaminated…there no thing there to get hold of.
We are positive energy of pure awareness…and completely compassionate.

They cannot stand pure compassion, but long for it!
These beings are not at all happy.

Out of unconditional compassion, we as spiritual practitioners can rest in pure awareness,
this get them some relief. Mara/Archon/Demons are only spiritual practitioner who got caught
up in spiritual powers and are stuck there.

The answer is and always has been unconditional love.



Tony

Thanks Tony, you triggered the understanding of the recall, or 'dream', as we like to call it in this 'space'.

[turiya]

Only wishful thinking if you decide so, Tony.

After all, you just said so yourself.

If it is 'written in stone', ie predetermined, all paths covered, then it is a static universe, with no point.

I'm not trying to be negative; we do have communication issues on these forums, with our written words on their own -trying to carry a complex communication.

Coming to a divine understanding is predetermined - cannot be avoided, i.e. "is written in stone".
The freedom of being deluded is changeable.

turiya :cool:

[Cidersomerset]

Yes We are, to a degree ...!!!!

I've been thinking about this for a while and how to put a well balanced thread
together, but sometimes its worth just saying how it is.

The Illuminati is just knowledge really and we are all gaining the insights only the
elites had in the past.

[Tony]

How not to be a member of the Illuminati;););).

The source of happiness

The source of happiness
is recognising our true nature,
and the relief in recognising
that there is nothing else.

Whatever we do,
this true nature is always there.

In our relative complexity,
it is the ultimate simplicity.

It is our natural awareness:
pure, natural awareness.

The source of compassion

The source of compassion
is knowing that every sentient being
has this very same nature.
There is nothing else.

Whatever they do,
this true nature is always there.

In their relative complexity,
it is the ultimate simplicity.

It is natural awareness:
pure natural awareness.

The source of happiness
is confident compassion.

The source of suffering

The source of suffering
is not recognising our true nature,
and always looking for something else.

Whatever we do,
we forget our true nature.

Our relative complexity
has confused ultimate simplicity.

Our natural awareness
is contaminated.

The source of suffering
is a lack of compassion.

The answer to the source of suffering

The answer lies in
recognising our true nature,
and the relief in recognising
that there is nothing else.

Whatever we do
this true nature is always there.

In our relative complexity
it is the ultimate simplicity.

It is our natural awareness:
pure natural awareness.

The source of happiness
is confident compassion.


The source of compassion

The source of compassion
is knowing that every sentient being
has this very same nature
there is nothing else.

Whatever they do
this true nature is always there.

In their relative complexity
it is the ultimate simplicity.

It is natural awareness
pure natural awareness.

The source of happiness
is confident compassion.


There is nothing else!


This is boring to a confused ego,
and joyful to an enlightened mind.