Apophenia? Profound synchronicity? Guided by benevolent forces? Or by demonic forces?

[Chester]

Some may recall my profession is as an oddsmaker. If I am any good at it, I would have to have some sense of probability one would think.

The following is a lengthy post but a post which I ask your understanding as it will be clear all the details matter.

So I would like to recount a most unusual set of “coincidences” and offer some analysis of the multi-event experience.

It all started the morning of July 4, 2013 when I came across this post by Houman on the Horus-Ra thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=697235&viewfull=1#post697235

This post featured the following video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXNvd-go82o

The video was a clip made in part of a much lengthier interview between George Knapp and his guest, Nick Redfern. Essentially, Nick Redfern, a veteran UFO / Government cover-up researcher had become privy to (from the back cover of his book, Final Events) - “a secret group within the US Government known as the Collins Elite. The group believes that our purported alien visitors are, in reality, deceptive demons and fallen angels.”

When I saw this short video, I was at a point in my life that I was beginning to draw the same conclusion.

That Houman made this post at that time was, for me, truly uncanny timing.

I could not contain my excitement and though I had to shortly leave for my work at the time, I did do a search in Google keying in on the term, “The Collins Elite.” I was promptly led to the full interview which I decided I would watch when I returned home in the evening from my shift.

At that time, my job was as a medical courier. I would pick up and drop off medical specimens for labs. I received my first pickup location which was a new pickup for me – Texas Regional Medical Center in Sunnyvale, Texas.

That evening as soon as I returned home, I watched the full interview between George Knapp and Nick Redfern. It was fascinating. One of the highlights was George’s mention that he heard these demonic forces appear to be fixated upon Christianity and Nick confirmed his research indicates the same albeit being located in a region of the world where over 75% of the folks are Christian may have something to do with the data pointing in that direction. Still, Nick relates many cases in his book where the targets of the "aliens" voiced the name, Jesus Christ, and when they did, the demonic events stopped... but this is a digression from what I hope to relate in this post.

Two days later, I was speaking with my sister who lives in East Texas and made plans to go see her on Sunday, July 7th. On my return trip from seeing my sister, I found myself passing through that same town, Sunnyvale, as I picked up from on the morning of July 4th. I suddenly noticed the exit I had taken and was struck by the fact that the name of the street was no other than Collins Road. I also noted that it was odd I didn’t notice this “coincidence” on the 4th but the thought came to me that it was even odder I happened to go past this same exit such a short time afterword and got that funny feeling “the universe” was trying to tell me something. I also am well aware this type of thinking may simply be nothing but a manifestation of my sub conscious and not an independent “intelligence” such as “God” or “angels” or any other such derivation from my own fantasies. Still, it was a little spooky when I realized the key component to Nick’s story is the Collins Elite and the very first pickup I had to make - indeed literally the next thing I did - took me to Collins Road.

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Soon after I decided to order Nick’s book, Final Events. The book was incredible. So many of my own, recently acquired theories as to the "alien" phenomena were touched upon by Nick Redfern and those he interviewed. I then did an internet search for Nick Redfern and discovered something quite uncanny. Nick lived in the Dallas Metroplex (Arlington, Texas) 45 minutes from where I happen to live at this time. I couldn’t help myself, so I reached out via e-mail and asked to meet with Nick Redfern. I described a bit of the conversation I was hoping to have and was pleased Nick agreed to meet for a lunch.

Unfortunately the meeting could not take place right away as Nick had just published his latest book and was busy with interviews, etc. But Nick promised we would hook up in early December.

As December neared, I thought about where we might meet, hoping for a quiet place we could talk. I wrote Nick and suggested we find a quiet Italian Restaurant. Nick liked the idea. So I did the following search on Google –

Best Italian Restaurant in Arlington and got this –

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I picked the first one on the left – Piccolo Mondo

It was only after I had sent Nick the recommendation that I looked at Google maps to see how to get to Piccolo Mondo that I discovered this restaurant is located off of...

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Collins Street. Even though the address says E. Lamar, there’s an entrance from Collins Street that takes the shortest and most direct route to the restaurant.

Nick and I had quite a laugh when I brought up these “synchronicities” at our lunch. In fact, I specifically mentioned the subject of synchronicity to see where he stood on the matter and wasn’t surprised when he said he uses intuition in the form of synchronicity to sort of “confirm” he’s on the right track in his investigations.

One of the theories I mentioned to Nick was that it sometimes seemed to me that these “demonic forces” may be involved in the synchronicity phenomena. The “thoughts” in the head that then coincide with the manifestation of clearly connected occurrences in one’s outer reality experience. Perhaps the dark forces attempt to influence one’s perception of reality? Perhaps masquerading as messages from “benevolent ones” yet all the while attempting to implant a dynamic that contains a subtle twist thus can only eventually deceive? Who knows. I learned long ago to read nothing into my synchronicities but this does not reduce the "wow" factor when a really profound one arises. And these happen with me all the time.

During the lunch I received two calls. One was from my son - nothing unusual, but the other was from a friend who, in almost all cases, normally texts me and add the fact that it is rare he ever makes contact anyways. At the end of our lunch and just after we finished talking about synchronicity, Nick said he would like to look me up when he gets over to Dallas. He asked me where I lived and I told him, Greenville Ave and 635. Folks who have lived in Dallas are aware that Greenville Avenue is famous for all the restaurants and bars on the street... easily well over 200 or more. So when I mentioned Greenville Avenue, Nick said, “Ahhh, Greenville Avenue... there’s a place there I love to go every time I hit that part of Dallas.” I asked him the name and he said, “Dodies.”

My jaw dropped. The very friend who called me during the lunch, along with his father, own Dodies. The coincidence, especially after just speaking again at the end of our lunch about the apparent psi phenomena of synchronicity literally blew me away. Note, Nick is from the UK and has only lived in Arlington, Texas the last several years and has perhaps been over on Greenville Avenue in Dallas a half dozen or so times yet the restaurant/bar he discovered and then repeatedly frequents just happens to be owned by a friend (I know no other restaurant owners that own a place on Greenville Avenue) but that this very friend happened to call me during the very lunch I am having with Nick – the odds are one in a million.

Anyways, the story didn’t end there. The next morning I received a phone call from a friend I had not spoken with in at least 4 or 5 years. At the end of the conversation, my friend asked that we make sure we have each other’s up to date contact info, e-mail address, etc. But I ask you – who in this day and age actually exchanges physical addresses? Yet my friend asked for mine. And in the process he sent me his address via e-mail.

I could not believe it when I saw it – (I blocked out the irrelevant, private parts)

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Collins Avenue – what else could it have been?

[Tesseract]

It seems like neither the collins, nor the dodies coincidences started in your head, is that right? You were kind of a middle-man between your friend and Nick's favourite restaurant. You were peppered with incidents of collinses, but this just happened without you previously thinking about this name. Is that normally the case for your synchronicities? Is this an indication that you are not in control of your own actions?

Personally I find that these things often start in my head - and then that same subject pops up in real life - it's as if my original thoughts had some kind of prescient quality - although it is exceptionally rare for me to have such a thought and then keep an eye out for the corresponding events to occur in real life. It normally takes me by surprise. Is this an indication that I am not in control of my own thoughts?

Incidentally, immediately before writing this I was watching this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUAMuwRFHEM

[Chip]

This seems to me as synchronicity at its best. When it screams to me this noticeably, I wanna yell "WHAT?".
I am curious though, did you figure out what all the synchronicities were leading to?
Perhaps a ruse by the Aliens, or guidance by the Angels. That might be the question one might allude to by the direction of your post?

[Chester]

As some Avalonians may note... the ones who have followed some of my posts, from time to time I have shared a synchronicity string as well as shared the fact that those who know me will testify to the truth of my statement that I have developed quite a talent for attracting and pointing out a great deal of these types of experiences. I have taken the position this is one of the many forms of psi talent (and for some it may be experienced as a curse) amongst a basket of different types of psi ability.

I have taken the position that synchronicity is perhaps the safest form of psi manifestation in that there is no clear apparent intention nor does there have to be any clearly derived meaning that so many folks like to associate with psi events such as synchronicity strings.

I can only relate my own experience and thus my conclusions as well only apply to me. In addition, those who know me, know that I can change my mind, change my point of view on a dime and completely.

Based on my experience, psi phenomena (with a heavy emphasis on synchronicity as this one is my personal forte) seems to increase directly proportionally to ones level of openness to the phenomena and their enthusiasm for the phenomena. Enthusiasm goes hand in hand with one’s energy levels. A low energy person has lower enthusiasm and generally experiences far less psi related phenomena.

Here comes the important part of my post -

What I have noted about most human beings is that a younger human being high in energy and high in openness to what may be labeled as “the supernatural” also has a high tendency to explain it against what they have been exposed to religiously. It is becoming more and more my opinion that this is where all the trouble begins. Why? because it appears the way the material realm works is as a reflector of ones psyche and this of course includes the estimated 90 – 95% which is below the conscious, waking state mind.

It is more and more my opinion that it is within this region of the human psyche where the demons and angels, the supernatural beings of the past and of different cultures such as fairies and gnomes, goddesses and gods of the ancient Greek or Roman Pantheons, the Djinn from ancient Persia, even perhaps the Reptilians of David Icke and whatever benevolent beings led him to his awakening event in Peru back in what 1990... all these “good and bad” supernatural beings all emanate from our deeper subconscious and due to our incredible ability to create, end up manifesting in some form or another into our outer reality experience.

That it is clear through what Rupert Sheldrake calls the morphogenetic grid that we seems to have the capacity to transmit without restriction of space and time all sorts of things such as psi communication, consistency in form as we move from the zygote to an adult within a species as well as what may be “group fears” which manifest in similar forms to otherwise unrelated individual beings.

And then we so often follow the same pattern.

We almost always leap to the conclusion that something is the way it appears to be in the now and that it will never change. We love constants. And as Rupert Sheldrake has pointed out and to the dismay of mainstream, orthodox science, there are no constants. For example, the speed of light has been recalculated and yet mainstream, orthodox science attempts to deny these types of changes because it destroys their models.

If there is any constant within the illusory reality matrix – it is that you can bet things will change.

So here’s where I was heading.

The human being wakes up in the morning and rediscovers they appear to inhabit some body and that body appears to be within a world with many bodies and many things which are not bodies, some of them appear to have life and some of them appear to be lifeless.

Some human beings discover there appears to be more to the experience of life than what can be explained within the known realm of physical science. In fact, some human beings have direct experiences with what could be termed “supernatural events.” I will list just a few.

Contacted by beings in their head – even to the point they may have conversations in their head with one or more of these beings. That what comes forth in the communications is sometimes in the form of event predictions and that soon thereafter events take place which appear to be what the voices had alluded to.

Beings clearly not of this world appear before the eyes of the subject. Sometimes relationships begin. Sometimes the apparition convinces the subject to go with them. Often times where the subject is led is what is interpreted to be a ship of some kind, etc.

Sometimes the subject finds themselves in their bed and accosted by some type of clearly non human being, often a being that takes a Reptilian form and in most cases the subject is a woman and in many of these cases the being is intent upon carrying out some type of rape. In many of these cases, after the event(s), the subject is able to produce clearly visible marks, bruises etc. upon their body.

It is massively documented that those who are deep into what some refer to as Satanic practices are able to perform rituals which attract into their 3D experience what are called demons. Some of the popular theories are that these beings exist and reside in a dimension just beyond our visual light spectrum but whose essences can be brought through based on some type of intentional magic.

We also have all sorts of abduction phenomena reported all over the world heavily over the last 60 or so years. Some within the Collins Elite believe that the very magic practiced by Aleister Crowley and later, Jack Parsons played a role in creating a hole in space/time where these beings could come flooding in.

Note all the above are externally experienced events. They all appear to “happen” to people. It seems logical that folks would naturally conclude the world is a scary place and that bad things can simply happen to you and often quite randomly. From my experience of now 56 years, I find that most people take this sort of view. And many that have taken this sort of view have run to a religion for protection.

Some within the Collins Elite which happened to touch within some relatively high ranks within the Bush 43 administration perceived a true spiritual war. The chain of events set in motion most specifically by Jack Parson’s magical workings opened up the hole within which a mass demonic invasion began and manifested in the form of “aliens,” “UFOs,” and adduction events. These “beings” were even able to generate physical artifacts, biological material, etc but their view was that this activity was purely demonic and all this implied a massive war of a supernatural nature where the human being was a target and pawn of forces well beyond our abilities to deal with at least on an equal playing field.

Some within the Collins Elite believed the demonic forces wanted to create a unification event amongst humanity (some believe “disclosure” might actually do this) which would then allow for the entry of the “anti-christ” which would at first appear to be a benevolent leader of all humanity and then later would reveal himself to be Satan incarnate and the human ballgame would soon be over.

In fact, in Nick Redfern’s Final Events Nick states it may have been this very theory that generated the idea of a false alien invasion (Project Blue Beam) as an attempt to convince folks to convert to some radical form of Christianity which would in turn save their souls.

Now, I met with Nick Redfern. The man is not making up what he researched for over 4 years. The man’s sources are real people and many are still alive today. I was struck by the recent interview of George W. Bush by Jay Leno – a fantastic interview.

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/president-george-w-bush-part-1/n43429

At just before the 3 minute mark, President Bush is referring to the newly created Presidential Library at SMU in Dallas, Texas and he states, “The cornerstone of the museum is the 9-11 exhibit... really important to remind our country that evil does exist and that the human condition elsewhere matters to our national security.”

In this statement is not just an acknowledgement of evil but an outright, black and white statement with no room for refutation that “evil” (implying a supernatural form of evil) is unequivocally and permanently part of our lives but implies also the role of an American is to save the rest of the world which is experiencing unfettered evil in the form of horrific human condition and that Americans must do this or risk their own security. Clearly a massive messianic undertone.

Don’t think I am judging the man as you would miss my point. The man is simply a product of the American psyche and more broadly a psyche which revels in the dynamic of a supernatural war with an evil supernatural devil (Satan) and an incarnate super being, son of God (Jesus Christ) that will save us all.

Now back to my own experience. I have had what could be called an abduction experience when I was 6 years old which I now see as simply an anomalous experience. Since that time I have had multiple experiences with what I later characterized as both demonic attention as well as interaction with actual “God.” My view of these experiences drastically changed back on April 26th, 2012 when I discovered the primary entity I had been dealing with since I was 6 years old (which had identified itself to me to be related to the legendary Horus from Egyptian mythology and the Archons from the Gnostic creation mythos) was one of these “Horus-Ra” aliens.

I then went on a crash course in all things “alien” and demonic as there was a direct link in the above noted thread with the purported practice amongst some of the human family in horrific ritual sacrifice and abuse known as Satanic Ritual Abuse which of course ties in directly with demonology. It wasn’t long before I was able to begin to view the experiences I had which I had formerly attributed to “aliens” as actually coming from the demonic world.

I then had my strange experience with evoking the name, Jesus Christ, where when I did, the demonic attention dramatically stopped.

It is my conclusion that most folks who have had this type of experience and obtained the amazing results from evocation of the name, Jesus Christ, would perhaps instantly become a devout, evangelical Christian. I did not go that direction. Instead I observed the phenomena and began to develop a theory that suggested the dynamic itself was the goal of the “darker forces.” Of course there would need to be some super natural good guy. And of course some levels of a demonic manifestation might cower at such a being. But the result is a further and more entrenched polarization and THAT, my friends, is what I conclude may be the actual, underlying motivation of what I call “the anti-life forces.”

Finally, and why my life is so peaceful now is the last step I took after I discovered the “us/them” dynamic to be the actual enemy of life itself... indeed the final enemy...

I discovered that this “enemy” actually resides deep within myself. deep within my own psyche.

It is not something “out there” though when I ramp up the energy and buy into my own self generated lies which then push me into fear, evil manifestations begin to pop up in my reality experience and bad things happen, indeed.

But it was my discovery that if there be any real evil, it is only an illusion of my own making. And the way the realms of form appear to work is that they reflect back one’s deepest beliefs, one’s deepest fears and desires.

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It has been several months now since I have come upon these conclusions and placed the new point of view I have generated into practice. The results are a complete transformation in my experience. In addition and most importantly, loved ones in my life have also experienced a massive calming down in the amount of and profundity of negative events which were formerly a norm in their lives as well.

My own calming down has had a measurable positive rippling effect in the lives of those with whom I am close - how profound.

Several months back I had the thought... you know how they say, “You are your own worst enemy.”

Well, I modified that saying and have generated quite a new life experience based on my employment of my modification.

“You aren’t your own worst enemy... You are your only enemy.”

Merry Christmas

[Chester]

Yesterday I was sitting at my desk when I heard an unusual sound coming from my window. My mind thought a bird might be tapping on my window it was so loud. I went to the window and pulled aside the curtain only to discover a giant wasp. What was odd was that this wasp was inside! The windows in my room have screens and so i was baffled as to how it may have gotten in.

The old Chester would have tried to kill the poor thing. The now Chester just watched it buzz around the window when, a bit to my dismay, the wasp launched into flight and flew over to my coffee table where I heard it plunk down as if it was on its last legs.

Being this new model of a master metaphysician, I decided to leave the thing alone and as long as my energies were not confrontational about the possibilities this wasp could sting me silly, I set out about the rest of the day and forgot about its presence in my room.

While writing the above post #4 and at the point where I was mentioning Jesus Christ saving us all, I was compelled to get a glass of water. Just as I was entering the kitchen, there crawling on the floor was my little friend. I grabbed a glass and placed it over the wasp. I then slid a piece or cardboard under the glass to trap the guy inside. The reason was that I felt this was an opportunity to "save" the bug before I lost my nerve and smashed him to pieces!

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I then carried the bug outside, placed the cardboard on the ground and lifted the glass.

Though I had thought the guy was near his death, I was surprised that the moment I lifted the glass, the wasp took to its wings and flew off majestically and full of life.

It was only when I returned back to my room I realized at exactly what point I was in the above created post. Writing about saviors while acting like one.... even if just for a wasp. My messianic complex runs deep indeed.

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[Flash]

It is my conclusion that most folks who have had this type of experience and obtained the amazing results from evocation of the name, Jesus Christ, would perhaps instantly become a devout, evangelical Christian. I did not go that direction. Instead I observed the phenomena and began to develop a theory that suggested the dynamic itself was the goal of the “darker forces.” Of course there would need to be some super natural good guy. And of course some levels of a demonic manifestation might cower at such a being. But the result is a further and more entrenched polarization and THAT, my friends, is what I conclude may be the actual, underlying motivation of what I call “the anti-life forces.”

Finally, and why my life is so peaceful now is the last step I took after I discovered the “us/them” dynamic to be the actual enemy of life itself... indeed the final enemy...

I discovered that this “enemy” actually resides deep within myself. deep within my own psyche.


This is soooo interesting Justeonman. I will have to ponder on this one. It is very similar to the ex-member 9Eagle9, who was saying "they have given us their mind" and the problem is this, we think like them, in polarities, us/them. Where she went wrong would be "we have given our universe our polarized mind, we just have to stop and integrate realities" and boom, these polarized views go away.

I have to ponder on this. It definitely take off the fear of "others" now we have to work within oneself.

I have to ponder in view of Houman's thread, in view of Simon Parkes' thread, in view of many threads here. Also in view of some mystery schools teachings and spiritual development at large.

I may come back on this thread here in a few days or a few months or a few years ..... time for pondering and developing :cool:

[Chester]

Actually 9eagle9 appears to have been caught up in the very dynamic I believe I have left behind. There has to be a "they" to give "us" their mind. It is a classic case of seeing the problem as "happening to you."

There is no "they" anymore for me - only us.

It suggests the dynamic I hoped to point out, for me, was what kept me in the fight, in the cosmic spiritual war, and gave me the role of victim as well as savior.

When I discovered this drama was actually deep within my own psyche, I felt a sense of complete responsibility for its manifestation in my life as well as in the lives of those who have crossed my path. I saw how it was pervasive in our world but considered the possibility that our world, seen through my eyes, is my world - thus I am fully, wholely, completely, entirely responsible for it.

It began to make metaphysical sense that I would choose to incarnate in a world such as this with others who likely made the same choice.

I then changed my mind.

I no longer care to have this form of experience. That false ego no longer holds the same power over me nor over others... at least perceptively as can it ever in reality?

vD0jCYW8i4Y
"Only Us" from Peter Gabriel's album "Us" 1992.

Lyrics...

Only us
Only us
Only us

It wasn't in the words that kept sticking in their throats
It wasn't with the angels in their quilted coats
These battered wings still kick up dust
Seduced by the noise and the bright things that glisten
I knew all the time I should shut up and listen
And I'm finding my way home from the great escape

The further on I go, oh the less I know
I can find only us breathing
Only us sleeping
Only us dreaming
Only us

I hear you calling me
Yes I hear you calling me
Home from the great escape
Yes I can read you loud and clear

The further on I go, oh the less I know
Friend or foe, there's only us

The further on I go, oh the less I know
I can find only us breathing
Only us sleeping
Only us dreaming
Only us
Only us

I'm coming home again, home again
And I hear you calling me home again
I am coming home again

Only us
Only us
Only us
Only us
Only us
Only us
Only us
Only us

[GreenGuy]

This is a fascinating thread. Thanks to the OP!!

justoneman, I wonder if I could ask you to articulate your definition of evil and of demon or demonic...

[Chester]

This is a fascinating thread. Thanks to the OP!!

justoneman, I wonder if I could ask you to articulate your definition of evil and of demon or demonic...

From the point of view of existing within "the matrix," demonic forces appear to be at war with Life. I capitalize Life here to show my reverence for Life even though my deepest view is that this is all illusion... a trick I played on myself perhaps as a response to boredom - an explanation that could only have meaning from within the illusion.

Now, when I was young, I did not have this view. I saw the world as a place where things could happen to me. When I was 6 I had an anomalous experience which proved significant and foundational to my life experience up until recently. That all ended when I discovered all this drama simply originated from within me. By making that discovery, I had to accept my full responsibility for it all. I then had to make a choice. Did I still want to experience all this drama? Or am I ready for peace. I chose peace. Since that day I have only experienced peace.

But between that day when I was 6 years old up until this recent change, I experienced demonic attention in many forms. The most significant was the "voice" and "voices" in my head and what we would talk about and what they would tell me. I then had to contemplate my perceived "specialness" that the source of this attention chose me. The source had proven it was aware of the future as it had told me of 9/11 prior to the event and had further proven it's legitimacy by telling me I had to be in America when it happened. Against all odds I arrived (after 3 years away) just a few days before the event and witnessed the 2nd plane on live TV.

I am only selecting a single example of what I had dealt with amongst literally thousands of examples - but one which cost me friends because I had ranted about what the voices in my head had told me so when that event happened, people became fearful of me.

It was this same voice that told me I had to "kill myself to save the world" at Christmas time 2011.

I found myself hurling myself out this window where my toes landed on a 1 inch ledge and my arms were wrapped around this thin cold steal rail.

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33 floors up (the number 33 "meant" many things as well)

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What flashed before me was my promise to my sons I would never do what my father had done (yes, suicide)... even if "to save the world" but it wasn't enough. Then, I saw my wife, Cristina in my mind's eye. I saw the horror she would endure. The world suddenly didn't matter. The world was a concept - Cristina was real. Cristina was Life to me. I scrambled back inside the window.

There's an example of demonic attention.

It was several months later I discovered Houman's Horus-Ra thread. I was extremely lucky as the OP described the very type of demonic entity that I had encountered. It even told me it was named Horus and that it was associated with Ra - Ra comprised of two letters that when converted to numerical values adds to 19 and 19 was the number the entity had given me - the number associated with the Sun Card of Tarot. and the Sun is also the Son - the Savior, etc.

Of course it took some time for me to consider that what for some might be "aliens" may in fact just be the latest, greatest form of deception of the demonic forces. And now you can tie in the OP and where that "confirmation" led me.

The big change happened when one day about 3 months ago it dawned on me that these "Archontic energetics," which have the reputation as inorganic beings which are only able to "attack" through the mind may be a faction within the larger grouping of primal building blocks of the human psyche - made popular by Carl Jung known as "the Archetypes."

It was then the light went off as to the possibility that these external dramas I have experienced are simply a reflection of a part of my inner psyche... a part buried deep within my own sub conscious, a part that is simply angry with myself for the deception I played upon myself in my journey to experience the illusion of death.

That I created a being within me that had no soul, no connection to Eternal Life. A being that because it could cease to be, decided its entire existence would be dedicated to steering me towards my own self destruction. That through my mind, it would do all it could to distract me such that I forgot who I actually was (which I see is the same for us all).

So of course a false component such as the egoic mind would give rise to supernatural bad guys.

Evil you also asked about - it is the same and most have discovered how that word, "evil" is "live" spelled backwards.

So how do I wrap this long, rambly post up? One must chose. Does the world happen to you (which places you within this vast creation) or... is the world contained within you and the outer experience is simply a reflection of that world within?

For me, I now prefer the point of view that the world is within me. I used to argue of the paradox of life... where both views are true. My example to prove that the world still happens to me is when I drop a brick on my toe.

But for quite some time now, I have moved further and further towards that non-dual view as THE view. Strangely, I haven't been dropping any bricks on my toe anymore either. Not that I won't... but I am finding a constant correlation between what is going on inside and what is reflected back to me from "out there." This experience has given further confirmation I may be on the right track. So I live peacefully, uneventfully, joyously... little do I want - a simple life.

I like it this way right now. Odds are I keep liking it this way.

[GreenGuy]

You obviously are very sincere and have endured some intense experiences. What I am wondering is what you think evil is, and what a demon is. I appreciate the courage it takes to share these experiences.

[Chester]

Evil is the anti-life desire. Evil is the anger within that comes from the false, egoic self. Evil manifests as something independent of me as a deceptive way for me to buy into the belief I am not responsible for it. Evil takes the form of anything that appears bent on destroying or creating the desire for one who has forgotten their responsibility to destroy themselves or others. Evil is self hatred.

Evil is not real though I would never have believed that when I was caught up with it as I was. Yet there are plenty among us who allow themselves to be vessels of this fiction. Those caught up in some forms of Satanism and that practice ritual sacrifice and ritual abuse are allowing this fiction to manifest, but it is still nothing but fiction as it comes from self deception.

The demons that practitioners call forth are manifestations from their deep sub-conscious and though they appear real, are nothing more than self generated illusions.

Just like the shape-shifting phenomena - it takes the perceiver to "see" the reptilian.

[Jeffrey]

I live off of Collins

BAM

[Mike Gorman]

I do not profess to know any more about UFO's, Life, The Universe, God, Creation than any other of my fellow beings who have found themselves existing on this planet.
Subjective experience will always be the measure by which we gauge our lives, we can use nothing else-intellectual tools like Math, Physics, Chemistry allow us to
speak of shared perceptual experiences in a predictable, known manner-but they do not represent the totality, or absolute measure of all things; I think Stephen Hawkins would agree with that,
among others. Now anomalous sightings, Radar scope recordings, witness testimony all speak of tangible, metallic craft, physical beings-there is an impressive body of such material,
the Sirius-Disclosure Project Witness Testimony is a recent set of examples. Demons, Fallen Angels are the stuff of religious mythology, and ancient distortions; I think these manifestations are
not the same at all as the UFO phenomenon, or the other evidence as demonstrated by Disclosure Project type events. I think fallen Angels and Demons are the product of Bible belt fundamentalism, and Biblical revelations fantasies.
That is my take on this.

[Kalamos]

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[GreenGuy]

Evil is the anti-life desire. Evil is the anger within that comes from the false, egoic self. Evil manifests as something independent of me as a deceptive way for me to buy into the belief I am not responsible for it. Evil takes the form of anything that appears bent on destroying or creating the desire for one who has forgotten their responsibility to destroy themselves or others. Evil is self hatred.

Evil is not real though I would never have believed that when I was caught up with it as I was. Yet there are plenty among us who allow themselves to be vessels of this fiction. Those caught up in some forms of Satanism and that practice ritual sacrifice and ritual abuse are allowing this fiction to manifest, but it is still nothing but fiction as it comes from self deception.

The demons that practitioners call forth are manifestations from their deep sub-conscious and though they appear real, are nothing more than self generated illusions.

Just like the shape-shifting phenomena - it takes the perceiver to "see" the reptilian.

Wow, so much to think about....I think I agree with you mostly, although I'm going to have to digest it before I can make comments I won't regret. I do agree when you say "Evil is not real." This is because I subscribe to the view that good is comparable to light. Darkness is also not "real" - it is simply the absence of light. I'm gonna think and digest before I comment more, but I thank you for your reply.

[Chester]

I do not profess to know any more about UFO's, Life, The Universe, God, Creation than any other of my fellow beings who have found themselves existing on this planet.
Subjective experience will always be the measure by which we gauge our lives, we can use nothing else-intellectual tools like Math, Physics, Chemistry allow us to
speak of shared perceptual experiences in a predictable, known manner-but they do not represent the totality, or absolute measure of all things; I think Stephen Hawkins would agree with that,
among others. Now anomalous sightings, Radar scope recordings, witness testimony all speak of tangible, metallic craft, physical beings-there is an impressive body of such material,
the Sirius-Disclosure Project Witness Testimony is a recent set of examples. Demons, Fallen Angels are the stuff of religious mythology, and ancient distortions; I think these manifestations are
not the same at all as the UFO phenomenon, or the other evidence as demonstrated by Disclosure Project type events. I think fallen Angels and Demons are the product of Bible belt fundamentalism, and Biblical revelations fantasies.
That is my take on this.

And my view is this view is precisely what the "inner dynamic" wants "us" to think.

There are many "authorities" who have come to the conclusion much of the UFO / abduction phenomena is demonic manifestation.

I have not heard of anyone other than Jung who suggests these manifestations originate in the inner psyche, deep within our sub conscious. This is my view. How I came to feel confident in this view is that I considered the results of the double slit experiment and what that implied and then I applied this view that all this phenomena originates from within and quite interestingly, the demonic experiences stopped. - completely.

Note: The Collins Elite (as well as myself) do consider the possibility that UFO/alien experiences are able to manifest in physical form. That they do is nothing we are denying. It is from where it originates that I put forth the above considerations which is one step further than the Collins Elite.

In fact, I view things like "the Bible" as well as any form of fundamentalism an expression that these archetypal building blocks of the psyche have, in essence, generated their own isolated realm within us (which of course implies our own original permission and responsibility) where they have achieved a level of success amongst their human "food supplier" in creating a regenerative source of the lower density energies such as come forth from an us/them dynamic - especially when the darker thoughts manifest in the external reality in one form or another. The cycle essentially feeds itself and perpetuates until (my opinion) enough of us get tired of the same ole same ole and shift our consciousness such that either these creations of ours adapt to a new food supply (such as the higher density energies like love, compassion, joy, etc) and "become what they eat" or... they perish beyond memory.

Its all up to us.