Propaganda or truth? Chinese lunar probe finds no evidence of US landing

[Mandala]

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[Soulboy]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079

[panopticon]

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Thanks Mandala,

Newsbiscuit (http://www.newsbiscuit.com) is a fun site and proves all sort of hilarious satire.

Here's the article:

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Chinese lunar rover finds no evidence of American moon landings (http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2013/12/19/chinese-lunar-rover-finds-no-evidence-of-american-moon-landings/)

A report from the Chinese state news agency Xinhua has confirmed that China’s mission to the moon hasn’t found a single scrap of evidence that Americans were ever there.

Photographs of the lunar surface taken while the ‘Jade Rabbit’ probe was in orbit and further investigations on the ground have now been analysed and show that areas where US landings were thought to have taken place reveal a surface untouched by man, and no sign of any golf activity whatsoever.

‘They were never there at all,’ said baffled Chinese Foreign Minster, Wang Yi, ‘All those conspiracy theories about Americans making stuff up to make themselves look good turn out to be true. And we would never have known if it weren’t for the glorious People’s Lunar probe of China re-writing history and putting the record straight.’

The findings were even more disappointing for the scientists who created the probe. They had equipped Jade Rabbit with special cutting tools for shredding any American flags it found and replacing them with China’s own. Special legs were also fitted so that the rover could sidle up to remnants of any American spacecraft and kick it and kick it and kick it in the most contemptuous manner possible.

‘We thought, well, what were they going to do, they’d have to send a mission to go back and replant them, surely?’ Mr Yi added. ‘Our policy was simple: all they would have to do was ask us to lend them the money to do it. And then we’d say no. Ha ha ha ha ha! Pig dogs! It’s such a shame that we won’t now get the chance to HUMILIATE them again.’

The Chinese lunar programme is set to accelerate, Mr Yi confirmed. ‘We are building a space centre in the Gobi desert, with a mission control room, astronaut training and a massive sound stage made to look like the moon from where our fake landing will be broadcast to the world in 2016,’ he stated, completely oblivious to the fact that he may have given too much away and will probably be shot in the morning.

White House press secretary Jay Carney refused to comment, but was heard muttering under his breath that ‘those bastards will copy anything’.

Source (http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2013/12/19/chinese-lunar-rover-finds-no-evidence-of-american-moon-landings/)

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Priceless. :)

-- Pan

[Mike Gorman]

Yes, i thought this was tongue-in-cheek stuff...the rover kicking the American Lunar Landing module repeatedly was a dead giveaway!

[Operator]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079

I don't think that with a resolution of 7 meters or 23 feet something like abandoned landing sites can be detected.
Even the whole Lunar module isn't big enough for more than a pixel ...

(Considering the sizes: I have even more doubt that 2 fully geared up astronauts fit in there with room to move)

http://www.space1.com/Spacecraft_Data/Handbook_Illustrations/Lunar_Module/LM_Dimensions/Lunar_Module_Dimensions.jpg

[Milneman]

http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/19/media19/2012/Feb/7/LiveLeak-dot-com-4acf233056ad-apollo_landing.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818badf914445d3d4070c&ec_rate=230

Well there's the chinese image of the american landing site soooo.....who's hating who? :)

[Operator]

Well there's the chinese image of the american landing site soooo.....who's hating who? :)

I was about to ask you which picture but then saw a link in your quote (referenced as IMG) which is not visible.
It also doesn't resolve to a page (The hash code for the file you tried to view has expired).

Can you reproduce a link to that picture or footage? I would love to see it :rolleyes:

By the way ... the Americans had enough time by now to put something up there to affirm their case.
So even a high resolution picture doesn't prove anything. At least not that a man walked on the moon.

[Milneman]

Sure thing buddy! :) Merry Christmas!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079

So who's hating Woo? (Couldn't resist!) :P

[panopticon]

I was about to ask you which picture but then saw a link in your quote (referenced as IMG) which is not visible.
It also doesn't resolve to a page (The hash code for the file you tried to view has expired).

Can you reproduce a link to that picture or footage? I would love to see it :rolleyes:


Here is the file from the Chinese National Astronomical Observatories site:

http://moon.bao.ac.cn/upload/fckeditor/%E6%99%AF%E5%BE%B7%E4%B8%8Eapollo17-1.jpg

Source @ NAOC (http://moon.bao.ac.cn/templates/T_yestem_articelcontent/index.aspx?nodeid=13&page=ContentPage&contentid=190)

It isn't clear enough at this resolution (as far as I'm concerned) to be used as a source document. It's only 2 pixels evidently that are used to identify the site.

Maybe there's higher resolutions available so someone have a look and let us know what you find.

-- Pan

[Operator]

Sure thing buddy! :) Merry Christmas!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0d8_1328628079

So who's hating Woo? (Couldn't resist!) :P

Tnx, merry Xmas to you too ...

This link is to the same footage as posted before. Can you indicate at what time the landing site is shown?
From this footage it wasn't even clear to me that the landing site should be in there ...

[Operator]

I was about to ask you which picture but then saw a link in your quote (referenced as IMG) which is not visible.
It also doesn't resolve to a page (The hash code for the file you tried to view has expired).

Can you reproduce a link to that picture or footage? I would love to see it :rolleyes:


Here is the file from the Chinese National Astronomical Observatories site:

http://moon.bao.ac.cn/upload/fckeditor/%E6%99%AF%E5%BE%B7%E4%B8%8Eapollo17-1.jpg

Source @ NAOC (http://moon.bao.ac.cn/templates/T_yestem_articelcontent/index.aspx?nodeid=13&page=ContentPage&contentid=190)

It isn't clear enough at this resolution (as far as I'm concerned) to be used as a source document. It's only 2 pixels evidently that are used to identify the site.

Maybe there's higher resolutions available so someone have a look and let us know what you find.

-- Pan

Tnx for that pic ... How did you know this particular one is about the landing site? Can you read Chinese?
An interesting site by the way with most interesting pictures ... would love to find out more what the
subscripts are ;)

When I read about Clementine it said that it was a spy satellite and had high-res cameras on board, suggesting that
they could photograph and recognize a coin on the surface. But now that I looked it up it appears the resolution wasn't
that high at all. On Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clementine_%28spacecraft%29) it says about the high-res camera:
"the pixel resolution at the Moon was 7–20 m depending on the spacecraft altitude."

So apparently we can't do better than 7 meters (at least what they share with us) ... far too low resolution to detect remnants
of the landing site. But like I stated before ... landing a craft on the moon is possible, so faking a landing site isn't that difficult.
The only proof would be to go physically there and check for yourself that there are indeed hundreds of footsteps from the
astronauts and tracks of the rover. All other material or evidence can be faked/manipulated.

[Milneman]

Ok here's the bottom line from my perspective.

The article in the OP is bogus....bordering on racism....probably written by people who'd like to further racism towards China.

If the Chinese are showing this picture they either a) are playing the same game as the Americans and aren't really on the moon or b) they took the picture and what you see is what it is or c) they want us to believe the Americans were indeed there...

So I guess my question is...what constitutes proof? Do you yourself have to be standing on the moon, or who has to be trust worthy enough to be a reliable source?

What, friends, are you standards exactly for determining the validity of any evidence? Because so far, I see a lot of talk about what is and isn't true, but no one has yet to give me a bar to measure it with.

[panopticon]

Tnx for that pic ... How did you know this particular one is about the landing site? Can you read Chinese?
An interesting site by the way with most interesting pictures ... would love to find out more what the
subscripts are ;)


G'day Operator,

Don't read Chinese. Went to the source of the images and looked at the URL's for each image.

The one I linked to was the same one used as the source of the liveleak page.

It's URL indicates it is the Apollo 17 landing site (the embedded image shows the Apollo 17 travel route):
http://moon.bao.ac.cn/upload/fckeditor/%E6%99%AF%E5%BE%B7%E4%B8%8Eapollo17-1.jpg

The Apollo 15 is this one (again from the URL):
http://moon.bao.ac.cn/upload/fckeditor/apollo15-1.jpg

-- Pan

[panopticon]

So I guess my question is...what constitutes proof? Do you yourself have to be standing on the moon, or who has to be trust worthy enough to be a reliable source?

What, friends, are you standards exactly for determining the validity of any evidence? Because so far, I see a lot of talk about what is and isn't true, but no one has yet to give me a bar to measure it with.

G'day Milneman,

Discernment is up to the individual as far as I'm concerned.

Calling for a consensus is a mugs game. Personally I'm not really bothered either way, I reckon that the Sepo's went to the Moon at least once if not all 6 times.

-- Pan

[Operator]

So I guess my question is...what constitutes proof? Do you yourself have to be standing on the moon, or who has to be trust worthy enough to be a reliable source?


While governments worldwide are not overtly questioning what happened on 9/11 I think that we cannot consider them reliable.
That's why I am afraid that the only positive proof that they did go (I mean manned mission landing on the moon) can only be
obtained by physically see for yourself on the spot that there are footprints and rover tracks (i.e. = impossible). Everything else
would be questionable and/or could be faked.

I don't care what the outcome of searching for the truth is either, as long as it is the truth. But given the original facts I lean
toward "they did not go" due to technical impossibilities. But of course it is much harder to 100% prove the "did go" case and
therefore my current perspective cannot be called a "well balanced" one.