Are we living a pre-scripted story (Implications, Revelations, and the Future)?

[Robin]

Hey Lads and Lasses,

I am interested in spurring a discussion concerning the theory that humanity goes through a pre-scripted story on its path to individual and collective enlightenment.

I've read David Wilcock's The Synchronicity Key (http://www.amazon.com/The-Synchronicity-Key-Intelligence-Universe/dp/1469203685) a few months ago, and I've been trying to digest some of his ideas since. Many of you have some qualms with Wilcock, I understand, but let us try and stray away from his ego and his predictions....and focus on his research.

Whether or not you like David Wilcock as a person, I think that he makes some very good points when linking science, spirituality, and the path of humanity that we can all glean something from. Isn't this what Avalon is all about? :rolleyes:

For the majority who have not read his book, or even pay attention to anything that he does, I am not so interested in getting into specifics on this thread. It does not matter if you read the book, because I am looking to discuss some main points, including:

Do Earth and humanity go through cycles, guided by cosmological systems?
Is there a pre-written script that humanity follows for each cycle?
Is there a villain written in the script to guide humanity to look inwards on its path to enlightenment?
Do the same people continue to incarnate into similar positions of power until humanity learns its lessons?
Can we learn how to progress from looking back at history and understanding that our behavior is guided by these cycles?
Is this a universal law that is engraved with all civilizations on all planets for a three-dimensional experience?

David makes some correlations in his book depicting the United States as the "Roman Empire of the 21st century." He makes some good points by correlating important events, such as 9/11, with events that occured during the reign of the Roman empire. He suggests that these important events all happen at the same juncture in each cycle, with there being many cycles of different spans of years.

These cycles seem to correlate with cosmological cycles that influence our behavior at the same point in each cycle...which may give astrology more importance and relevance than ever before.

He also makes correlations with the same people incarnating again and again through the cycles, usually doing similar acts with similar positions of power (i.e. Richard Nixon and the watergate scandal correlating with Nixon's previous lifetime in the Roman Empire in a similar scandal).

Although I do not take every word of David Wilcock as fact or even a possibility, he really has done a great job with this book. It is a new idea that may have some great implications for humanity if we can recognize these cycles, so we can break out of them and progress into a new paradigm.

If the United States is the "reincarnation" of the Roman Empire, for instance, let us not forget about the decline of the Roman Empire and all of the disasterous (world-wide) implications that came from it. If the United States can learn from its past mistakes (from our past cycle), maybe we can have time to counter this horrific decline and enter an era of world peace.

Please, take the time to think about these concepts. Also, there is plenty of room to bash Wilcock elsewhere. I am looking to analyze this theory objectively, regardless of who has done the research and created the theory.

:flypig:

[Cidersomerset]

I have been aware of cycles and how they effect us from the simple 24 hrs we use
to signify the passing of a day to all the others. History seems to repeat itself ,
particularly war & peace. This is a massive subject, but I think there is a purpose
for us being here greater than to end up as ash or soil, which in itself is part
of the planets cycle I suppose. As for finding enlightenment to others levels
etc who knows ? I believe part of me is eternal and lasts for ever, but what
that is I am not sure among all the theories....So Yes I'm looking for
'Enlightenment'....LOL


I'm trying to remember what Bob & ion said about it. There is no such
thing as time just one gigantic now. We are all 'gods' wonderful human
creators, who have created everything in this reality, experiencing
an infinity loop in 'no time'....There is more to it, but I cannot remember
off the top of my head...



Are we living a pre-scripted story (Implications, Revelations, and the Future)?

Ion has also inferred that everything that has ever happened or will happen
is happening simultaneously all the time and if you bring in the infinite
parallel worlds things get weirder, and all in the 'infinity loop'.

Plus we are all pure electricity entities in non - physical we can manifest
anything in that form, so are we really living in a maitrix ? Basically anything
and everything is possible , though we cannot touch and physically create
in non-physical, which is why we experience this reality for the physical
joys of the senses. In the none physical we live a bliss full experience .
But even bliss can be boring over eons , so we crave for contrast, which
is the cycle that draws us back to the physical plane. Again there is more
to it but that just flew off the key pad...LOL...

[Arak]

Idea of cycles is based on concept of time. But as we know, time is relative. And good question is that is there actually time? Or is everything happening now - we puny humans just fail to understand it and buffer experiences in some way which makes time?

[Wind]

Gregg Braden talks of the same things.

Mr-jh-tSxw4

[Robin]

Idea of cycles is based on concept of time. But as we know, time is relative. And good question is that is there actually time? Or is everything happening now - we puny humans just fail to understand it and buffer experiences in some way which makes time?

Well it's not irrational to conceptualize time on the basis of cycles around a sun. In this sense, time as we think of it is linear.

But time in cycles can also be non-linear, in that cause and effect is not the only factor in the progression of life. The way I see it is that a cycle progresses linearly, which is how we percieve it to learn lessons, but consmology and space play roles in shaping the progression of the cycle...thereby influencing our behavior a different way.

[DNA]

Do Earth and humanity go through cycles, guided by cosmological systems?
Is there a pre-written script that humanity follows for each cycle?
Is there a villain written in the script to guide humanity to look inwards on its path to enlightenment?
Do the same people continue to incarnate into similar positions of power until humanity learns its lessons?
Can we learn how to progress from looking back at history and understanding that our behavior is guided by these cycles?
Is this a universal law that is engraved with all civilizations on all planets for a three-dimensional experience?

I have always thought this was the case on a micro level with the individual. I think we are born with incarnational clothes so to speak, and these clothes are psychological hangups and predispositions that help insure we engage and enter into drama with one another.
I used to think this was something to overcome like the sage in the cave who meditates and overcomes these things, but I do not think that is the case anymore.
I think it helps to acknowledge and through introspection know yourself, but I do not think it necessary to try and enter into a constant state of nirvanna nor do I think it a good idea to seclude yourself from your incarnational comrades of whom you came here to learn with.

Now on the Macro as far as societal implications with what you are saying I have a slightly different theory, but I do not think it is in opposition to what you are saying.
First I will state this though, it is about those clothes I spoke of earlier.
In so far as I can tell it is my opinion those clothes are alive.
The reasons for illogical addiction, greed, self loathing, impatience, inflated self importance, self destruction and martyrdom related suicide fantasies and the reason these folks are rarely cured by the psychological sciences is because we are all burdoned by a parasitical life form and this is how it feeds, is through the impulses of these negative traits.

Again back to the Macro.
So as far as society goes, yea, I kind of think society is an entity in and of it self.
And yes, I think it also is a parasitic leach of sorts.

The thing about the societal entity is that I think it is indeed possible to extracate yourself from it.
I think it much more possible and or worthwhile to cut your connection to the society entity and stop feeding it than the individual entity that is more intimatly associated with you.


I'm trying to summarize all of this but I'm having a difficult time doing so. I talk about the Macro version at length here. Parasitic Gods (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31760-Parasitic-gods)

[araucaria]

There are other possibilities as well. There is a series of children’s stories ‘in which you are the hero’; they have numbered sections and have mileposts indicating alternative routes. If you want this or that, go to section x; if you want that or the other, go to section y. In other words, there are multiple storylines all using the same material in different ways. But the actual elements may be fairly limited in number, just as there are only 36 facial types for billions of people.

Or you have the period play or opera performed in contemporary or some other anachronistic dress. So you get Mozart’s Don Giovanni and his sidekick Leporello portrayed as bikers, but they could equally well be done as Greeks or Romans. Plus ça change, plus c’est la meme chose.

If we see a parallel between roles at different times, we may see them as the same person incarnating repeatedly. General Patton in previous lives is said to have been a whole string of major generals (pun intended :)) This strikes me as a very impoverished form of slow development where everyone would basically be typecast and hammering away at the same task until it comes right. But maybe that is how it works.

The alternative would be to see different players acting out the same role in turn, after rehearsing the same script. This would be more compatible with karma, a concept I am not satisfied with, but which stipulates that what goes around comes around rather than your getting to dish out more of the same. On the other hand, on an individual level, when you are not learning something, the lesson tends to keep coming back in different guises, and when it stops maybe it is because the lesson has finally been learnt.

However, in terms of History as opposed to personal histories, very little progress if any seems to have been made. This may well be due to a negative learning curve on the part of entities with increasing power issues to face that were not resolved on a smaller scale.

[Arak]

Idea of cycles is based on concept of time. But as we know, time is relative. And good question is that is there actually time? Or is everything happening now - we puny humans just fail to understand it and buffer experiences in some way which makes time?

Well it's not irrational to conceptualize time on the basis of cycles around a sun. In this sense, time as we think of it is linear.

But time in cycles can also be non-linear, in that cause and effect is not the only factor in the progression of life. The way I see it is that a cycle progresses linearly, which is how we percieve it to learn lessons, but consmology and space play roles in shaping the progression of the cycle...thereby influencing our behavior a different way.
Yes. I do agree that in a 4 dimensional reality as humans we perceive planets rounding a sun, solar systems whirl in space and galaxies do the same. But what about in higher dimensions, is there actually distance? Or time. Or nothing. Are we just one big cosmic om? Godmind playing with himself? I dont know, but somehow at the moment I feel that this all is just an illusion. :)

[Milneman]

Is relativism relative?

[Robin]

Now on the Macro as far as societal implications with what you are saying I have a slightly different theory, but I do not think it is in opposition to what you are saying.
First I will state this though, it is about those clothes I spoke of earlier.
In so far as I can tell it is my opinion those clothes are alive.
The reasons for illogical addiction, greed, self loathing, impatience, inflated self importance, self destruction and martyrdom related suicide fantasies and the reason these folks are rarely cured by the psychological sciences is because we are all burdoned by a parasitical life form and this is how it feeds, is through the impulses of these negative traits.

Again back to the Macro.
So as far as society goes, yea, I kind of think society is an entity in and of it self.
And yes, I think it also is a parasitic leach of sorts.

The thing about the societal entity is that I think it is indeed possible to extracate yourself from it.
I think it much more possible and or worthwhile to cut your connection to the society entity and stop feeding it than the individual entity that is more intimatly associated with you.


I'm trying to summarize all of this but I'm having a difficult time doing so. I talk about the Macro version at length here. Parasitic Gods (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31760-Parasitic-gods)

You birng up some good points. I'm especially interested in fitting in the Illumasites (Illuminati parasites) and other entities who have been acting as parasites on humanity for thousands of years. Do they disrupt the natural cycle, or do they just exaggerate the depth to which the cycle functions?

If I were to make any claim, it would be that Earth is not a normal planet and that the people of this planet are a people of extremes. We have extreme emotions, due either to our cocktail of ET DNA or manipulation of our genes, which allows us to interact in our story-line to extremes. We have the capability of being the most loving of individuals (mammalian tendencies) or most cruel of individuals (reptilian tendencies), and as many here on Avalon have expressed...it is up to us to balance the two, which are both important aspects of the human brain and psyche.

I also speculate that other planets do go through simialr story-lines, but due to their mellow situation (i.e. not infiltrated by inter-dimensional ETs), they have a less-extreme story-line.

In other words, other three dimensional civilizations on other planets also have a villain that they must overcome to reach enlightenment, but the villain is nowhere near as extreme as the Illuminati or Reptilians. I think the terms "prison planet" and "planet of sorrows" are quite fitting for Earth.

But even though these story-lines are an integral part of our existence, our free-will allows us to mold our reality in whatever way we focus our intentions. In other words, when we are in one specific part of a cycle which is meant to be a catostrophic event, our collective emotions can either produce a huge cataclismic event that wipes out much of humanity, or we can produce a small cataclismic event that only creates a minor earthquake.

It just depends on the individual and collective spirtual development...paired with an understanding of the shared human consciousness.

I think that the terms service-to-self and service-to-others orientations, and what is said in Ra's LAW OF ONE, are also very fitting to describe civilizations as they progress through cycles. It is all about balance. Every planetary society has both orientations, which keeps balance, but it is up to the civilization to decide which orientation to embrace as a whole as it evolves. From what I understand, the STO orientation must be fully adopted at some point on our path to oneness.

[Robin]

Idea of cycles is based on concept of time. But as we know, time is relative. And good question is that is there actually time? Or is everything happening now - we puny humans just fail to understand it and buffer experiences in some way which makes time?

Well it's not irrational to conceptualize time on the basis of cycles around a sun. In this sense, time as we think of it is linear.

But time in cycles can also be non-linear, in that cause and effect is not the only factor in the progression of life. The way I see it is that a cycle progresses linearly, which is how we percieve it to learn lessons, but consmology and space play roles in shaping the progression of the cycle...thereby influencing our behavior a different way.
Yes. I do agree that in a 4 dimensional reality as humans we perceive planets rounding a sun, solar systems whirl in space and galaxies do the same. But what about in higher dimensions, is there actually distance? Or time. Or nothing. Are we just one big cosmic om? Godmind playing with himself? I dont know, but somehow at the moment I feel that this all is just an illusion. :)

It is mind-numbing to even think about what goes on in higher dimensions. There is so much we have yet to figure out on this density/dimension first! We can't get too ahead of ourselves, now! ;)

But I speculate that higher dimensions abandon the concept of story-lines, but still take part in learning lessons...of a different nature. I'd also speculate that higher dimensions, assuming that they have progressed enough to leave their home planet and solar system, have also escaped the trap of cycles.

[Arak]

It is mind-numbing to even think about what goes on in higher dimensions. There is so much we have yet to figure out on this density/dimension first! We can't get too ahead of ourselves, now! ;)

But I speculate that higher dimensions abandon the concept of story-lines, but still take part in learning lessons...of a different nature. I'd also speculate that higher dimensions, assuming that they have progressed enough to leave their home planet and solar system, have also escaped the trap of cycles.
Yes. But that would be topic for whole another thread. I.e. I don't want to steer this thread too far from it's original course. Better evolve step by step as you said :)

[DNA]

I'm especially interested in fitting in the Illumasites (Illuminati parasites) and other entities who have been acting as parasites on humanity for thousands of years. Do they disrupt the natural cycle, or do they just exaggerate the depth to which the cycle functions?

It is my belief that souls who do not enter the tunnel of light upon death become hungry ghosts. Bill Ryan mentions these hungry ghosts here HITCHHIKERS (a sort of partial possession) - and how to handle them (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52553-HITCHHIKERS--a-sort-of-partial-possession--and-how-to-handle-them). If you do not cross over into the tunnel of light, your energy body is going to die, and when that happens you will have no choice but to feed off of the energy bodies of the living.


Entering the tunnel of light has always been termed a enjoyable experience by those who return and tell of the experience, as is the case here with Pam Reynolds. This is the best documented NDE of all time (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNbdUEqDB-k) in my experience and helps to illustrate the good in crossing over.

It is my belief that if you do not cross over and in turn become one of these hungry ghosts, you are then more at risk of being recruited by the Demiurge, and basically turned into a shadow being.

It would be these "shadow beings" who I think you refer to when you say "Illuminites", because it is my experience that these folks are recruited into a dark spiritual pyramid scheme of parasitism. A rank and file system with lower caste "shadow beings" doing the actual feeding and the higher ups in turn feeding on the lower rank workers.

I have a story where I note one of these shadow beings HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings&p=258028&viewfull=1#post258028) if interested.

[Robin]

It would be these "shadow beings" who I think you refer to when you say "Illuminites", because it is my experience that these folks are recruited into a dark spiritual pyramid scheme of parasitism. A rank and file system with lower caste "shadow beings" doing the actual feeding and the higher ups in turn feeding on the lower rank workers.


You may have just fitted another piece of the puzzle in my quest to decipher the hidden meanings behind Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. The Nazgul, or the Ringwraiths, fit this exact description you provided. ;)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hello guys, a short thought here in a big thread:

I read once that energy learns, that it follows familiar channels.
This could explain in part why events seem to happen in groups, or to repeat --
It's not just a mind trick or some religious vestigial inclination...
I think it is very real.

What do quantum physicists say about the observer and his effect on the outcome of an event?
I think they say that seeing the future changes the future.

[Freed Fox]

We have the capability of being the most loving of individuals (mammalian tendencies) or most cruel of individuals (reptilian tendencies)

Sorry Samwise, but I really dislike this generalization. What proof is there that cruelty is a reptilian tendency? Or that they cannot be loving? I would strongly suggest that there is no factual basis to such ideas, but rather paranoid, mammal/human-centric mythology.

I might come back later on to touch upon the larger subject (which I do think is legitimate), but I often feel the need to speak against this seeming prejudice that pops up here all too often, unfortunately.

[Carmody]

IIRC, the dimensionless or timeless self, the one integrating with the given avatar of the given self, is not all that more intelligent than the avatar it integrates with. What does enable it's intelligence to be slightly more clear, is the lack of emotional turmoil and lack of instinct.

Emotion and instinct both coloring the formation and direction of all thoughts. which is why we, as avatars, are driven by the vibrational patterns of astrology, which is about 3d physicality and time, as a set, in motion, uni-directionally.

At the same time we are driven by the astrology, in our lives, in the pressures and flow of all things..we can also sense intellectually. But through this filtering and polarizing 'soup'.

There is actually two, all under the umbrella of ego and consciousness, as a set-pair that is felt by most... to be in integration. The avatar and it's emotion instinct coloration filter, and the consciousness that integrates with and speaks through it.

As for the story being pre-scripted, yes, to a certain degree, this appears to be true.

Some of us can see through time to some degree. The closer in time the event is the more it is resolved out of probability, into a reality that is coming into being. The bigger the event, the better it can be seen through the mists of time.

I've covered a lot of this before, in some of the threads on this forum. In the holographic universe thread, which I just added a very important bit to, I link to a PDF of a book by Micheal newton, a hypnotist. In there is a good description of 'premeditation in time and humanity'. Probably one of the best reads that anyone on this forum will ever have. (top 10 kinda thing).

[Mike]

It's my understanding that souls arrive on earth to practice certain spiritual principles in a relativistic environment - things like compassion, patience, humility etc...

If the earth was morally pristine, there would be no space to exercise these spiritual muscles. So, when examined from this angle, the "script" theory, or predestination, seems accurate. Of course, as we all know, the universe often resists labels and expectations and tends to operate dichotomously. Hence, free will and predestination existing in the same place and at the same time...

How exactly? Not sure...

Some cond itions on earth can and should be changed. And they will. Some can't, or won't for some time. The point, from a larger perspective, isn't to spend every minute of one's life " fighting the machine". The point is to establish a healthy spiritual optimism despite it. Its as the man once said: sometimes what matters most is how well you walk through the fire. Its * easy* to attain a spiritual peace on a retreat or in an ashram. Too easy. I believe much more growth is attained when this state is reached amidst the turmoil of an unbalanced planet, like earth. Its said that the souls incarnating on earth are among the most fearless and most respected on the "other side". I believe it.

As Tesla pointed out, energy has memory and responds to patterns. But like any bad habit, we'll eventually kick it. At that point the earth will be forced to look upon other worlds for its moral relativism...which is a good thing.

[Robin]

We have the capability of being the most loving of individuals (mammalian tendencies) or most cruel of individuals (reptilian tendencies)

Sorry Samwise, but I really dislike this generalization. What proof is there that cruelty is a reptilian tendency? Or that they cannot be loving? I would strongly suggest that there is no factual basis to such ideas, but rather paranoid, mammal/human-centric mythology.

I might come back later on to touch upon the larger subject (which I do think is legitimate), but I often feel the need to speak against this seeming prejudice that pops up here all too often, unfortunately.

I'm actually very glad that you pointed this out to me, friend. In fact, I 100% agree with you. I think I made this generalization because my mind was focused on other thoughts...

What I meant to say is that the Reptilian part of our brain is capable of very strong emotions that we must control.

But thanks again for calling me out, as I also dislike it when this generalization is made. :o

[alh02]

Are we living a pre-scripted story (Implications, Revelations, and the Future)?I personally don't believe that to be the case.

The way I see it, our futures are determined primarily as a result of our thoughts, words, deeds, actions, and reactions, moment by moment as we live out our lives.

In everything we do, there is always a choice or decision to be made.

It is this choice that gives us the freedom (free will) to create our own futures and choose our own destinies.

We need to constantly be mindful of this though, as the universe (Source, God, or whatever you want to call it) will always seek to hold us accountable for our choices, decisions, actions, and creations.

It (the universe) is constantly seeking to keep itself in a state of balance, so for every action we take there will always be an equal and opposite reaction to counter it so that balance can be maintained.

The universe does not judge, so we are free to make our own choices and create whatever realities we so desire, but with that freedom of choice comes a certain amount of responsibility.

If, for example, our actions and subsequent creations end up having an effect on others around us, we can (and should) expect that at some point (whether in our current lifetime or a future one), the universe will seek to balance itself out by setting things up so that we experience those creations for ourselves... all aspects of them... remember it's about balance.

Such is the nature of the universal law of cause and effect, which is closely tied in with reincarnational and karmic cycles.

The old saying, "be careful what you wish for", certainly holds true when one looks at it from this perspective ;)

Some of us come here with a plan, goal, or certain objective in mind, but it is by no means a given that we will achieve the desired outcome in each of our lifetimes.

Whether or not we succeed in that regard is entirely dependent upon the choices/decisions we make, and the actions we take to help bring our desires/objectives into reality..

So in that sense, it is not only important what we wish for, but also how we go about creating and setting up the circumstances required to make our wishes/ objectives come to fruition.

Ultimately I believe we are the architects of our own destinies, but in
the end, where we go and how we get there is what's most important.

[Arak]

It's my understanding that souls arrive on earth to practice certain spiritual principles in a relativistic environment - things like compassion, patience, humility etc...

If the earth was morally pristine, there would be no space to exercise these spiritual muscles. So, when examined from this angle, the "script" theory, or predestination, seems accurate. Of course, as we all know, the universe often resists labels and expectations and tends to operate dichotomously. Hence, free will and predestination existing in the same place and at the same time...

How exactly? Not sure...

If our Planet is like a course where souls come to learn certain hard stuff, it would make perfect sense that things are not going to get any better here... And that ofcourse 'bit disaponting from human point of view, but then again from souls perspective it is very OK - just like basejumping: it's risky and stupid but still some people want to do it. :D.
In a spirit form we know that suffering is just a temporary experience among others, and when we have learnt the hard stuff round here we can travel to more nicer places to enjoy cosmic bliss. And usually that is possible only after death.

[chocolate]

I think we do, to a degree, depending on the point of view.
From where I stand right now in my understanding, I tend to look at life as an expression of a [computer] game reality. It is a scripted reality at its core, artificially created by what we call the mind(s), god(s), etc., with variables which give it the possibility to change, evolve, transform based on choice, a platform for training/evolving/experiencing. Our lives, bodies, are the avatars we have chosen to inhabit this reality. I am saying this in the simplest possible way for me, based on a concept I can relate to. The moral, the belief I think we have in our life or our understanding of what that is, is scripted software to give us a base, a starting point.
[Right now lots of this software is quite scrambled].

I come from the point of view of non materialism, of the holographic base of this reality.
There is not future, no past, no death as such, those are just results of choices on the path of the human and what we put as meaning in them comes from the inside of the game, not from the base of operations of the higher perspective of existence. Everyone's life is a 'timeline', a dimension from where one observes. From that stand point I don't think of the future and the cycles, I just observe them as concepts and goals in this lifetime. They are important variables for the life of the avatars.

[TODD & NORA]

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[TODD & NORA]

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[WHOMADEGOD]

IIRC, the dimensionless or timeless self, the one integrating with the given avatar of the given self, is not all that more intelligent than the avatar it integrates with. What does enable it's intelligence to be slightly more clear, is the lack of emotional turmoil and lack of instinct.

Emotion and instinct both coloring the formation and direction of all thoughts. which is why we, as avatars, are driven by the vibrational patterns of astrology, which is about 3d physicality and time, as a set, in motion, uni-directionally.

At the same time we are driven by the astrology, in our lives, in the pressures and flow of all things..we can also sense intellectually. But through this filtering and polarizing 'soup'.

There is actually two, all under the umbrella of ego and consciousness, as a set-pair that is felt by most... to be in integration. The avatar and it's emotion instinct coloration filter, and the consciousness that integrates with and speaks through it.

As for the story being pre-scripted, yes, to a certain degree, this appears to be true.

Some of us can see through time to some degree. The closer in time the event is the more it is resolved out of probability, into a reality that is coming into being. The bigger the event, the better it can be seen through the mists of time.

I've covered a lot of this before, in some of the threads on this forum. In the holographic universe thread, which I just added a very important bit to, I link to a PDF of a book by Micheal newton, a hypnotist. In there is a good description of 'premeditation in time and humanity'. Probably one of the best reads that anyone on this forum will ever have. (top 10 kinda thing).

Hi Carmody,

Could you please provide a link to the post with the free PDF
link?

Many thanks

[araucaria]

Part of what is going on here may have to do with negative effects of the 100th monkey syndrome. When enough people start doing something, it becomes the done thing, then it becomes a cultural tic, and finally it becomes an immovable feature of how we behave, like following a beaten track that no longer leads anywhere.

I am listening just now to musicians talking about practicing music and the dangers inherent in practicing too much (becoming tired and jaded) or pulling out all the stops (as if it were a performance), or overrelying on motor memory (learning by rote). It may be that we have been rehearsing all this time and the actual performance is more or less imminent. Whenever the performance happens, for everything to ‘be all right on the night’, there will be over-rehearsed and under-rehearsed aspects to negotiate, and the need for a degree of improvisation is positive as well as negative.

I mention an example of how this works below: Borges’s Labyrinths, and notably the story ‘Theme of the Traitor and Hero’, which is an interesting (fictional) analysis of how the past is intermingled with the present.

(…) The idea of a leader being a traitor to his own cause is nothing new to reader’s of Borges’s Labyrinths, and notably the story ‘Theme of the Traitor and Hero’ – p.76 http://ebookbrowse.com/gdoc.php?id=374466039&url=1b06925c605dfbad8f1f7b6d42a7110e

The story tells of the investigation by one… Ryan into the mysterious circumstances of the death of the rebel leader Kilpatrick on the cusp of victory for his cause. It turns out all previous attempts at revolt had been thwarted at the last moment by the actions of a traitor, who is discovered to be the leader himself. To the extent that there is honour in treachery, Kilpatrick accepts his fate of death provided it is used as an instrument to serve the cause rather than defeat it.


It was then that Nolan conceived his strange scheme. Ireland idolized Kilpatrick; the most tenuous suspicion of his infamy would have jeopardized the revolt; Nolan proposed a plan which made of the traitor's execution an instrument for the country's emancipation. He suggested that the condemned man die at the hands of an unknown assassin in deliberately dramatic circumstances which would remain engraved in the imagination of the people and would hasten the revolt. Kilpatrick swore he would take part in the scheme, which gave him the occasion to redeem himself and for which his death would provide the final flourish.


Nolan, urged on by time, was not able to invent all the
circumstances of the multiple execution; he had to plagiarize another
dramatist, the English enemy William Shakespeare. He repeated
scenes from Macbeth, from Julius Caesar. The public and secret
enactment comprised various days. The condemned man entered
Dublin, discussed, acted, prayed, reproved, uttered words of pathos,
and each of these gestures, to be reflected in his glory, had been preestablished
by Nolan. Hundreds of actors collaborated with the
protagonist; the role of some was complex; that of others momentary.
The things they did and said endure in the history books, in the
impassioned memory of Ireland. Kilpatrick, swept along by this
minutely detailed destiny which both redeemed him and destroyed
him, more than once enriched the text of his judge with improvised
acts and words. Thus the populous drama unfolded in time, until on the
6th of August, 1824, in a theater box with funereal curtains prefiguring
Lincoln's, a long-desired bullet entered the breast of the traitor and
hero, who, amid two effusions of sudden blood, was scarcely able to
articulate a few foreseen words. http://ebookbrowse.com/gdoc.php?id=374466039&url=1b06925c605dfbad8f1f7b6d42a7110e

[william r sanford72]

with the current timeline playing out it almost always feels scripted to me.ive struggled with this.in order to clearly feel.see.i had to learn i certain amount of detachment.otherwise i found myself locked into certain patterns of fear based behavior.as i feel certain of this timelines end..i feel and know at the same time the timeline can change...and at the same time know and feel it cant change...Ah!!!..cycles..Time..knowing..is a funny thing.great thread.well timed.
Truth Always.
Balance...
William.

[Robin]

Ultimately I believe we are the architects of our own destinies, but in
the end, where we go and how we get there is what's most important.

I very much agree with what you have said in your post. My take on this pre-scripted story theory does not disagree with free will, but adds a new dimension to it.

In other words, the soul path functions by incarnating over and over again to learn as many lessons as possible. With each life time, the soul desires to accomplish some sort of mission, be that as extreme as being a leader of a revolution, or simply learning how to raise a family. These are experiences that we all go through at some point, but to different degrees and different forms.

Lets say my soul mission in my current life time is to learn the lesson of being an activist for environmentalism. My pre-scripted story for this life time is written in pencil to act as a guide for me to make decisions to lead up to this goal. Along the way, my spiritual guides and other people who incarnate with me also serve as guides to see to it that I learn my lessons, while I serve as a vehicle to help them learn their own lessons. The mission can be a failure by accidental causes such as premature death, in which case the soul will reincarnate agian, if it so chooses.

But because the script is written in pencil, my free-will determines which parts I specifically create during my lifetime to get me to be an environment activist. In other words, I can go down an infinite amount of different paths to learn the same lesson. I can use my free will to go to college, to not go to college, to join Greenpeace, or to join a local wildlife refuge, etc. etc. Since the universe is made up of infinite possibilities, all these different timelines coexist at the same time in the realms of quantum physics, which ties in with oneness.

The same could be with, say, the United States. If the United States is the Roman Empire reincarnated in this cycle, its free will (collective free will of its citizens) can decide which specific path to go to learn the same lesson. The Roman Empire failed to learn its lesson in the previous cycle because of colelctive spiritual immiturity of its citizens, which is why another cycle was necessary for humanity to progress. So perhaps it is written into the storyline that the United States is supposed to fall, but we have the free will to carve out the degree and way in which it occurs. We can have massive upheaval leading to the deaths of millions, or if we are spiritually mature enough, we can simply change the paradigm and enter a peaceful transition. Either way, we are learning our lesson that "power and corruption is not the answer to prosperity."

But I do not want to give the US too much credit. Written into the fabric of the script of humanity if all other nations that have their own missions, which tie into the fate of the US. I just wanted to use the US as an example becasue it is the center of world-corruption...

I hope this makes sense. :)


I hope Hillary Clinton is elected in 2016...forces the human collective to either wake up or self-destruct at the end of this final dispensation of time.

I'd be careful about saying this shmoopie...you just may get what you wished for. I hear many people (mostly women) say this, but most of them have no idea what is going on in this world. My mom, for instance, has said the exact same thing. I asked her why she likes Hilary, and all that she comes up with is: I just like her! She is an advocate for women's rights and she just sounds so wonderful!

This is a big trap. As a man, I am somewhat of a feminist in that I truly support advocating equality among men and women, and I truly understand how userped woman have been for thousands of years. Women are wonderful, and I would love there to be more women leaders in the world. In fact, I think women would do so much of a better job, because their psyche is not rooted in violence like men.

That being said, hilary is NOT the answer. If you have been following world politics and are awake and aware, you would know that Hilary is part of the Illuminati, rather than just a puppet like most presidential candidates. Her husband, Bill Clinton, is also part of the Illuminati.

Her campaign is designed to convince women that they should vote for her, because, well....she is the only strong woman candidate running! She wears a plastic smile that hides her hidden agendas...just like every other presidential candidate.

I think that 2016 is going to be different. We cannot afford to elect another person into presidency without overthrowing the Illuminati and establishing a new paradigm. The people who have been voting for the past few decades have fallen into a serious trap, and now my generation has to deal with it. She cannot be elected. We need to seriously change this system, and I reckon that it will change whether it is of our doing or not by 2016.

[Carmody]

IIRC, the dimensionless or timeless self, the one integrating with the given avatar of the given self, is not all that more intelligent than the avatar it integrates with. What does enable it's intelligence to be slightly more clear, is the lack of emotional turmoil and lack of instinct.

Emotion and instinct both coloring the formation and direction of all thoughts. which is why we, as avatars, are driven by the vibrational patterns of astrology, which is about 3d physicality and time, as a set, in motion, uni-directionally.

At the same time we are driven by the astrology, in our lives, in the pressures and flow of all things..we can also sense intellectually. But through this filtering and polarizing 'soup'.

There is actually two, all under the umbrella of ego and consciousness, as a set-pair that is felt by most... to be in integration. The avatar and it's emotion instinct coloration filter, and the consciousness that integrates with and speaks through it.

As for the story being pre-scripted, yes, to a certain degree, this appears to be true.

Some of us can see through time to some degree. The closer in time the event is the more it is resolved out of probability, into a reality that is coming into being. The bigger the event, the better it can be seen through the mists of time.

I've covered a lot of this before, in some of the threads on this forum. In the holographic universe thread, which I just added a very important bit to, I link to a PDF of a book by Micheal newton, a hypnotist. In there is a good description of 'premeditation in time and humanity'. Probably one of the best reads that anyone on this forum will ever have. (top 10 kinda thing).

Hi Carmody,

Could you please provide a link to the post with the free PDF
link?

Many thanks

Not really a free pdf, just one that someone made with an OCR scanner program. I own the book myself. I've owned 4 copies and given 3 away.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66514-Physics-breakthrough-Is-the-universe-a-giant-hologram

[Kalamos]

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[onawah]

Thank you Carmody.
You have once again provided me with just the right push, affording me a glimpse of the direction my thinking needs to go in.

[WHOMADEGOD]

IIRC, the dimensionless or timeless self, the one integrating with the given avatar of the given self, is not all that more intelligent than the avatar it integrates with. What does enable it's intelligence to be slightly more clear, is the lack of emotional turmoil and lack of instinct.

Emotion and instinct both coloring the formation and direction of all thoughts. which is why we, as avatars, are driven by the vibrational patterns of astrology, which is about 3d physicality and time, as a set, in motion, uni-directionally.

At the same time we are driven by the astrology, in our lives, in the pressures and flow of all things..we can also sense intellectually. But through this filtering and polarizing 'soup'.

There is actually two, all under the umbrella of ego and consciousness, as a set-pair that is felt by most... to be in integration. The avatar and it's emotion instinct coloration filter, and the consciousness that integrates with and speaks through it.

As for the story being pre-scripted, yes, to a certain degree, this appears to be true.

Some of us can see through time to some degree. The closer in time the event is the more it is resolved out of probability, into a reality that is coming into being. The bigger the event, the better it can be seen through the mists of time.

I've covered a lot of this before, in some of the threads on this forum. In the holographic universe thread, which I just added a very important bit to, I link to a PDF of a book by Micheal newton, a hypnotist. In there is a good description of 'premeditation in time and humanity'. Probably one of the best reads that anyone on this forum will ever have. (top 10 kinda thing).

Hi Carmody,

Could you please provide a link to the post with the free PDF
link?

Many thanks

Not really a free pdf, just one that someone made with an OCR scanner program. I own the book myself. I've owned 4 copies and given 3 away.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66514-Physics-breakthrough-Is-the-universe-a-giant-hologram

Superstar!

Thanks Carmody :-)

Caleb

[TODD & NORA]

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[Nanook]

What do quantum physicists say about the observer and his effect on the outcome of an event?

Interesting that you bring up the quantum because as I was reading this thread I had thoughts about the quantum physical aspects of our nature also.

However, mine are different from yours. There are multiple interpretations of quantum physics, the one you are referring to is the Copenhagen interpretation, that things exist only as probabilities until observed and then they undergo a "wave function collapse".

It turns out though that the many worlds interpretation is actually the one that agrees most closely with experimental evidence.

In that interpretation, all possible worlds exist, for every possible outcome, the entire universe bifurcates, including the observer, and we our bifurcated selves are only aware of the world that went a particular direction, but there is another bifurcated us that is aware only of the event going the other way.

Although this interpretation seems improbable, it is the one that most agrees with experimental evidence. And besides a cat that is both alive and dead at the same time also seems highly improbable.

If you bought a LOTTO ticket, in at least one of the universes, you won. Doesn't do THIS copy of you much good though.

Someone asked if we are living in a matrix. Because of the nature of quanta, that things are only divisible down to a certain point, I would tend to think yes, the quanta are kind of natures "bits". But we're all living in a very high resolution display, Apple Retina can't touch this!

Respecting time, if we were outside of time we would view it like another physical dimension and everything would be static but would have a shape in time. However, time has a special property that is different from all the other dimensions, things get less orderly in one direction (what we could consider forward in time).

It is odd to think that our very consciousness bifurcates, but the experimental evidence would suggest it is so.

I have sometimes wondered if this has any relationship to the Deja Vu experience. When I was younger I used to have them quite frequently, and I've heard the old left-brain / right-brain explanation but I've also disproved it because one time I had a Deja Vu experience while listening to a live talk show. And I know what was going to be said so I said it out loud, so I could hear my own voice come back before the radio announcers, and I was able to do this for about a minute, saying everything he was going to say (Art Bell was the announcer by the way), so I know the left-right brain explanation is bogus.

Instead, I wondered if emotions of our bifurcated selves from other copies of the universe don't somehow resonate with our own, and when we have a Deja Vu experience, a bifurcated self is getting ready to bite the dust. I'm speculating this for two reasons, in my Deja Vu's I always have a sense of dread, and everyone I've talked to has reported the same, and, as I've gotten older, fewer and fewer copies in bifurcated universes would remain, and as it happens I've had fewer and fewer Deja Vu experiences.

I've met people who claim you can shift your consciousness from universe to universe, but I don't know how this could be because what would happen to the "self" in the other universe?

[uforodena]

Hello all, regarding cyclical theories, and basing my self in to the dejavu feeling some or most of us experiment some times, I'm concerned to think we does might live a predictable life but in same reasons or "moves" yes or no choices taken. In other words in case reincarnation exists, which I do doubt but do not exclude, the only manner to imagine those is a life exactly the same as the one we lived currently, but in different time. According that last supposition we recurred to the idea of parallel worlds may be, but isn't my suggestion here, but repetition of the same world, in may be different dimension being in same "place" or different cycle of "living" being further or behind, if such a terms could be afforded as possible. I mean there are african terms in question of time which refer to future and past in same conditioning or happening, which I'm not sure how to understand but intrigued my point in this case.
Regarding predetermined life, already seen (by some people specially doted) seen in lineal happening and not the one I'm suggesting, which seems to me to be more realistic or logical seen the eternal repetition of all around us, there were one person at my country, already passed away, who were frequently visited by people to tell them where their kids were lost, things to happen in their lives etc. I'm not about to efferent the paranormal abilities of that woman but it's a matter of fact all the coincidences of real matters of situation that happened just as she predicted. And not talking me here about the government visits she gad, just about the simple people she talked with. I show this example just referring to the fact that some of the humans does are capable to predict, and if there wasn't prewritten destiny some how, how come they did supposed the future of the people in question.
And while the discussion seen also a reference to the light orientation after death. I'm not sure how to explain that but it's a matter of fact that just when one looks to the sun, is feeling him self guided to tell it some ways. I'm not about to tell what one to do or not to do when dies, in case there is a light or not, but the main term, follow the light do not convince me as such a term. As born free, or supposed to be such, wouldn't enjoy to has to follow, may be again, a light, god, or worse, one more existence in that land which I'm pretty tired already from knowing how it works as for live once more same same events or people. And the idea of black being something scary, or soul less, as a childish soul I'll prefer the scary story of the two choices in spite of the already known, even if the result is as read upstairs here, death for the soul.
The meaning in the lines I managed to explain some how, resides in to try to afford some different imagination of what is possible, and what it is no in to terms of destiny, cycles, or after death events. I mean, as a conclusion, just invite you to try to imagine something different from the one you read already from me or anyone, and might be much better answer in case you imagine it, than the logical based on others opinions reality. Not for imagining one has to pay taxes to the folks who read, but when a imagined thing happens to fit in the rest of your thought, it's acceptable to take place in to the alternative thoughts of yours, or just possible thing to think about, not for that to believe - as long all this is game of thoughts and not much evidences.