Philosophers Stone, The Red Lion, Joe Lello.

[DRT]

Hi everyone. this is my first post, apologies for not yet knowing where things go and how to properly work the search engine here.

I joined specifically to discuss Alchemy.

I have just finished Robert Cox's Elixir of Immortality where he claims Bismuth as the misunderstood ingredient in the Philosophic Mercury aspect of the production.

I posted to the ORMUS list (Barry Carter et al) about the book to see who has 'had a go' and was redirected to Joe Lello and The Red Lion, which is on scribd and downloadable.

Basically, here is a step by step recipe for making the Philosopher's Stone!! And it looks easy enough if you have a few ingredients and the right equipment!!!

My first question was 'why isn't there videos of success or failure all over youtube, this has been out in the public domain for years already?'

So, has anyone on these boards engaged in the work? Search didn't reveal much or I don't know how to use it.

Thanks and happy new year :)

[Nanoo Nanoo]

A lot of times when one has been enlightened they cease to want to enlighten others because they undersytand finally its about self discovery under your own steam...

N

[DRT]

Sounds like the kind of response I am getting used to around alchemy ;)

Kind of defeats the idea of community doesn't it?

So basically you are saying I wasted my time subscribing here?

[CD7]

Well in all honesty DRT there may not be anyone here at the moment who's been studying your particular subject. I do know sometime back in the abyss of threads gone by that there was a long ongoing thread going into great detail about the philosophers stone and how to do it....I apologize I cannot recall the title...but perhaps someone else can :)

[Realeyes]

Welcome DRT to PA! :hug:

This is most interesting 1st post! :wizard:

I am interested in reading about Alchemy, although I have never had the opportunity to physically practice it. I read the novel, 'The Red Lion' by Maria Szepes a decade ago, although this is only a tip of the iceberg taster compared to what you have been reading. Do you have a link for the Joe Lello and The Red Lion, which is on scribd and downloadable?

All I could find was 10 pages of the addendum here:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/Libraries/Books-Alchemy/The+Red+Lion+by+Joe+Lello.pdf

There are many members on PA all from different timezones, so hang on in here, I am sure there will be alchemist PA members who will arrive at your thread and give you a warm reception and deep discussion.

I will bookmark your thread and read the posts as they progress with great interest.

It is great that you have joined PA. :hug:

[Realeyes]

I have just found this wonderful website that is an Alchemy Library of free books for anyone who is interested.

http://dimensionalchemist.com/free-library/alchemy-books-library/

[Chip]

Sounds like the kind of response I am getting used to around alchemy ;)

Kind of defeats the idea of community doesn't it?

So basically you are saying I wasted my time subscribing here?

Well no you probably didn't waste your time. I have followed Alchemy up to a point. I have never started any "Great Works".
So, as fascinated about this subject that I am, I don't have the practical experience to back up any advise. I suspect this is the case with many others.
It was no waste of time for you to post here on PA because you sparked that fascination back up in me. I am now looking for a book I had recently purchased on the subject because of YOUR post!
Alchemy starts out with the soul first.
Cheers

[meat suit]

welcome to Avalon, DRT,

I am making Ormus and colloidal silver, I am always keen to get into new stuff...
can you post us a link?

cheers

meat

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Sounds like the kind of response I am getting used to around alchemy

Kind of defeats the idea of community doesn't it?

So basically you are saying I wasted my time subscribing here?


No , not at all. Alavaon is a great resource. Like any forum you need to pick and choose your material.

Everybody here is at different stages of evolution. Alchemy is an amazing subject and one i have followed closely however since i think i know nothing and everything all in the same moment i dont feel i need to help others any more as i used to.

Enlightenment was strong here during the Pre 2012 End Of Days / We are all going to a\Ascend period. We all felt it wether by mental design or spacial rift. Even now some are still in the energy. Alchemy is in that rift area and id say you are about a year along in your waking stage ? ( more like 14 months )

Here is some text (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/secret_teachings/sta38.htm)to read on this

Also this (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/secret_teachings/sta39.htm)is good reading as a preperation for what you are going into

I am glad someone has asked about this as its not common. You have a responsability now to venture in and discover without fear.

Note: You will meet the lord. Which one you meet is up to your disposition. I would be clear on who i was first.

Naniu

[Shezbeth]

Welcome to Avalon DRT! You have chosen an excellent "Maiden Thread" to being your 'voyage', and it is one which I will gladly join you on having a less than comprehensive yet more than cursory investment of research in the subject.

Before I continue, a caveat. Especially as relates to "less popular" ideas and practices, there will be detractors. But, I imagine you are no stranger to these IRL. ^_~

In response to your initial point (Bismuth) I immediately had the following thought - "That makes perfect sense. Bismuth's diamagnetic properties could be particularly useful to the solution, especially in relation to a given recipe." I'm not familiar with the particular recipe you refer to (yet ^_^) but I'm with you so far.

Like Chipsam, I have never physically attempted any of the Great Work, beyond the transmutation/refinement of the mind, and body, and the exclusive experience of the awareness. I have to admit a bit of spectral laziness, as I have possessed a variety of recipes and instructions for years but have been investing my time and interests elsewhere.

Synchronistic catalyst? Esoteric cattle-prod? Metaphysical alarm clock?

Welcome to Avalon.

[DRT]

thanks for all the wonderful responses so far. I am glad I joined :)

It is late and I am tired, but I will be back and bringing links and more info. Sorry to be so brief.

Just to be clear, I am a noob to Alchemy and literally just got started 2 or 3 weeks ago. Made my first water trap to kick things off and when my order of Dead Sea Salts arrived I got into the wet method.

I have noticed exaggeration of the effects I am already experiencing which seem to be correspondent to arising Kundalini.

I'm finding the alchemy crowd to be rather tiresomely tight lipped. Not sure if that is fear, jealousy, greed, some other ego manifestation or a genuine concern for noobs.

Please bear with me as I flip flop around on the learning curve.

Joe Lello's pdf is the short one. It is meant as an addendum to Robert Cox's Elixir of Immortality (Amazon or Scribd), and basically is the recipe with added instructions. Cox's book is full of interesting perceptions of alchemical writing and history.

The one you linked RealEyes is the original, there is an update with a few notes in red from a guy called David. This one has slightly different info, which seems to be important!

I'll be back :)

Nanou, thanks for the clarification. I will follow the links you posted when I am less knackered :)

[Carmody]

genuine concern for noobs.

and themselves....



make a list of every secret organization you can imagine.

make a list of every potent political organization you can imagine.

make a list of every financial group you can imagine.

Make a list of every military organization you can imagine.

make a list of every religious organization you can imagine.

Alchemy is a thing that is deeply destructive to all of them, in concert, simultaneously. If you play with alchemy, you play with the essence of the machine, even this idea of being a spirit in a human body. You cross it directly, as well.


If you keep it private, to yourself, no big deal. If you try to go public with it, then all of that...will probably begin the process of directly interfering with you.

[MariaDine]

Hi everyone. this is my first post, apologies for not yet knowing where things go and how to properly work the search engine here.

I joined specifically to discuss Alchemy.

I have just finished Robert Cox's Elixir of Immortality where he claims Bismuth as the misunderstood ingredient in the Philosophic Mercury aspect of the production.

I posted to the ORMUS list (Barry Carter et al) about the book to see who has 'had a go' and was redirected to Joe Lello and The Red Lion, which is on scribd and downloadable.

Basically, here is a step by step recipe for making the Philosopher's Stone!! And it looks easy enough if you have a few ingredients and the right equipment!!!

My first question was 'why isn't there videos of success or failure all over youtube, this has been out in the public domain for years already?'

So, has anyone on these boards engaged in the work? Search didn't reveal much or I don't know how to use it.

Thanks and happy new year :)

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Hello :)
Did you read this ? http://pt.scribd.com/doc/50979161/Fulcanelli-The-Mystery-of-the-Cathedrals
I found Fulcanelli is a must for «The Work» !

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http://books.google.pt/books?id=0wJMiyEpODQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=The+Elixir+of+Immortality:+A+Modern-Day+Alchemists+Discovery+of+the+Philosophers+Stone.&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ei=_KW_UumqNs6T0QXKxYB4&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=The%20Elixir%20of%20Immortality%3A%20A%20Modern-Day%20Alchemists%20Discovery%20of%20the%20Philosophers%20Stone.&f=false

[Carmody]

Welcome DRT to PA! :hug:

This is most interesting 1st post! :wizard:

I am interested in reading about Alchemy, although I have never had the opportunity to physically practice it. I read the novel, 'The Red Lion' by Maria Szepes a decade ago, although this is only a tip of the iceberg taster compared to what you have been reading. Do you have a link for the Joe Lello and The Red Lion, which is on scribd and downloadable?

All I could find was 10 pages of the addendum here:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/Libraries/Books-Alchemy/The+Red+Lion+by+Joe+Lello.pdf

There are many members on PA all from different timezones, so hang on in here, I am sure there will be alchemist PA members who will arrive at your thread and give you a warm reception and deep discussion.

I will bookmark your thread and read the posts as they progress with great interest.

It is great that you have joined PA. :hug:

The thing that Robert Cox did, was to explain that the missing ingredient, all this time, was bismuth. Bismuth was associated with antimony, in elemental form, so it was never understood that the bismuth was the thing that was responsible for the making of the stone. Pure antimony does nothing.

I've covered all of the natural forms and some of the manufactured forms of the stone here on the forum, in various threads. It's quite the story. The level of investment is equal to the return. The return gives some form of all, so the investment of self and all is assured. It's a nod toward infinity, so infinity is the opening gambit concerning involvement

the ten page addendum, is the method of making this stone.

It takes about a year. A year of unceasing involvement, with no breaks or mistakes. Not even a few minutes of a mistake. One has to be very serious about it. The result is the material for human consumption that brings about a form of physical near immortality, and dimensional access. It will drive one insane, if they have no internal perpetration.

From the ten page addendum, the last few words... so one can get an idea:

NOTE:
The once-or twice-multiplied mature Red Stone is a dangerously potent restorative medicine. It must never be ingested full strength.

To dilute the Stone to a safe level for consumption, take up the tiniest grain of the material with a needle point and drop it into a pint of white wine. The wine will be dyed a deep red color. Take an eyedropper and place a drop of this reddened wine into another pint of white wine and it will turn
lighter shade of red. Continue in this manner until the wine turns a golden hue; this is the true "Potable Gold" and is now sufficiently diluted to the point where 1 or 2 DROPS of it may be consumed. No person should ever take more than 7 drops of this material at once. An average dose is 1 or 2 drops twice per year.

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(for one year, you constantly add energy to a mix. Imagine the potency.)

I suspect that more than 7 drops at once, can bring on the sleepless state, ie, being awake for maybe 4-5-6-8 months, 24-7, no breaks. With dimensional access, astral projection, spirits, energies, whatever. All unstoppably connected, no breaks, for that entire time. Imagine peaking on acid, for 4-6-8 months, 24-7. But far far more potent and off the rails. Not a thing to be toyed with.

Which is why the wet method, inefficient as it may be, is still so dang potent.

You are dealing with a nano-sized mix of superconductive cooper paired atomic systems, gold based.... which target and fix themselves to the ends of DNA strands. They make the DNA truly superconductive and connected to dimensional communications. Hypersensitive and self restorative. a huge increase in the conductivity and energy (cellular voltage) of the human body.

In the alternative medicine section, I detail on how to get a taste of this function, with the preparation and consumption of nano silver that is activated mildly.. in this sort of manner.

Each noble element gates or opens a different dimensional space, is how the story goes (in some explanations) Silver, is the moon. The emotions, or the darker realm of the dead who have not left yet, one might say. A lower astral realm. Consumption of the nano silver in a slightly charged state, that I show how to make (in that thread), can bring on access to that space.

[MariaDine]

A lower astral level.....try several

[Carmody]

A lower astral level.....try several

well, yeah, sure. Just trying to keep it simple.

people can step into the edge of madness from just that silver mix, so the real stone should be understood to be no toy.

with the silver, and that method, one has to work their way up to it, so they get a chance to feel it, and explore it, as it is coming on. About as soft a landing or entrance to the subject that the world can provide, which is why I bothered to explain how it is done.

[DRT]

@Carmody: Point taken re the MIB

May I ask how much of what you have written in this thread so far is directly related experience and how much is hearsay?

You say: "It takes about a year. A year of unceasing involvement, with no breaks or mistakes. Not even a few minutes of a mistake. One has to be very serious about it. The result is the material for human consumption that brings about a form of physical near immortality, and dimensional access. It will drive one insane, if they have no internal perpetration."

Which sounds like you have had personal involvement in both the production and consumption of material using Lello's method.

On Barry Carter's ORMUS list I am having trouble getting anyone to even say they gave it a shot. Some have said it doesn't or can't work though :)

Really no offense meant at all, it is just unusual to find someone who seems to know their stuff being so frank.

I will be checking up your earlier posts that you refer to, thanks.

[MariaDine]

A lower astral level.....try several

well, yeah, sure. Just trying to keep it simple.

people can step into the edge of madness from just that silver mix, so the real stone should be understood to be no toy.

with the silver, and that method, one has to work their way up to it, so they get a chance to feel it, and explore it, as it is coming on. About as soft a landing or entrance to the subject that the world can provide, which is why I bothered to explain how it is done.

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:) Indeed , Carmody!

...like everything ....«There is time to.... a time to ... etc».

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WIvcyeOF2Ws/TTCJQ9ALcuI/AAAAAAAACYk/R2abUTfMoM8/s320/bigA109.jpg

[Carmody]

@Carmody: Point taken re the MIB

May I ask how much of what you have written in this thread so far is directly related experience and how much is hearsay?

You say: "It takes about a year. A year of unceasing involvement, with no breaks or mistakes. Not even a few minutes of a mistake. One has to be very serious about it. The result is the material for human consumption that brings about a form of physical near immortality, and dimensional access. It will drive one insane, if they have no internal perpetration."

Which sounds like you have had personal involvement in both the production and consumption of material using Lello's method.

On Barry Carter's ORMUS list I am having trouble getting anyone to even say they gave it a shot. Some have said it doesn't or can't work though :)

Really no offense meant at all, it is just unusual to find someone who seems to know their stuff being so frank.

I will be checking up your earlier posts that you refer to, thanks.

I see no scientific fault in Lello's method and what it purports to do. I know my physics, on the molecular/atomic level. Enough to have the odd patent in cutting edge physics which very few people understand. Enough to do things far beyond the initial manipulations that alchemy is effective in. Long story. Let's just say that alchemy is a final point for humanity's self recognition, who and what they are. Beyond that, in the physical 3d universe, it's opening door turns into manifold technologies and mechanistic manifestations of things that seem way out of bounds and possibility-compared to how people see science today.

Anyway, regarding effects, I reached the sleepless state through perfection in food consumption, mediation, Kundalini exercises and the creation and use of my little 'charged nano-silver mix' method.

I did not sleep for approx 18 months.

[DRT]

OK, now you have me really intrigued.

I am so sorry but I have been consumed by a little J.O.B work yesterday and today, and I have used up my discretionary Alchemy study time today composing a long email to the Yahoo ORMUS list.

Joe has replied too, and the discussion has heated up a little. I'll post what info seems useful and relevant here when things have played out. Give me a few days :)

On a side note it is great to connect with someone who has an understanding of Kundalini. I've been undergoing some energetic phenomena for a while (couple of decades but quite intense the past 2-3 years) and it seems there may be a K-factor!

Carmody, could you take a peek at this Kundalini Symptom questionnaire I set up and see if this looks along the right lines or let me know I have got it all wrong:

http://www.openlounge.org/K/KQ1.php

thanks
DRT

[DRT]

Just a quickie:

"Silver, is the moon. The emotions, or the darker realm of the dead who have not left yet, one might say. A lower astral realm. Consumption of the nano silver in a slightly charged state, that I show how to make (in that thread), can bring on access to that space."

I read this several times. It triggered a rather disturbing vision.

I wonder why one would intentionally focus on this realm or similar? Training?

[MariaDine]

Kundalini Symptoms ....YES !!!

Try working with crystals to balance your energy.

[DRT]

I have them around the house and enjoy holding them, especially amethyst.

I haven't done anything formally with them though. What do you suggest?

Funny you say that though. Here's a bit of a story, but there is a point to it, even if I fail to clearly make it ;)

When I came back from my first Ayahuasca venture, at Sao Paolo airport there are several crystal shops. One in particular is wall to wall amethyst, or so it seemed to me. As I walked in I felt my body begin to vibrate. After a few minutes I felt I better leave before I end up back in the Aluna! I'd never felt any kind of connection to crystals before, in fact, I was never really sensitive in that way to anything.

I felt at the time I got a connection to the crystals as a gift from Aya. It also occurred to me that my first Aya would probably have accelerated any Kundalini arising particularly as it was an unusually large dose that put me into state for a few days rather than the usual 6-8 hours.

haha, actually, now as I type this, I recall lying face down in the dirt in the forest, belly exposed to the Earth, in my second journey. I suddenly felt my legs were separating from my body and move several meters away, or perhaps my spine elongated that distance.

Before going to Brazil, I was struggling with insomnia caused by spinal disc issues (I didn't know that at the time) that had been getting steadily worse since my late teens. After the experience with the Aya, the problem vanished for about 9 months.

I'd always considered it an energetic issue, until I eventually had an MRI and saw that the bottom two discs are prolapsed. When I compiled the Kundalini questionnaire by surfing the net looking for symptoms generally reported, I found one site stating that the arising K energy is powerful enough to pop out discs!

I think my ego prefers it to be an energetic issue than a bad posture issue :rofl:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hey DRT, the first thing to remember about alchemy is just like the cartoon (Fullmetal Alchemist) says:
"In order for humankind to gain anything of value, first something valuable must be lost".

To me, that means that in order to gain knowledge, we must put in time not only gaining access to sources of knowledge, but also allowing that knowledge to do its work inside of us. We must also listen to the messages of our dreams to fully "understand" the meanings of certain things.

Everything is connected, but that doesn't mean that everything is valued.
When you learn the value of an underestimated thing, you are well on your way to becoming an alchemist...

I recommend possibly looking into the case of Basil King and his book "The Abolishing of Death": the author depicts a scene wherein the ghost of a deceased chemist communicates with a writer and helps him write a book...

Alchemy deals also with things unseen and ungrasped -- dreamstuff. How does one capture that in a jar and put it to the fire?

I recommend turning to history and trying to figure out exactly what the known alchemists of the ages were trying to study.

p.s. and why they had to hide.

p.p.s. saw your post on page 2 and it made me remember an alchemy dream I had last year. I was holding a statue that turned from silver to lead while I was arguing with my husband.

scary huh?

[13th Warrior]

Greetings DRT,

Is "The Red Lion" the first text you've read concerning the philosophers stone?

[DRT]

I came into Alchemy via ORMUS 3 weeks or so ago and that led me to Barry Carter's site subtleenergies.com

I signed up to the yahoo list.

At some point I came upon Robert Cox's book on scribd 'Elixir of Immortality' which I posted in the list asking for feedback. Joe Lello posts in the Yahoo group so I was informed of his pdf addendum to Cox's book.

I've been on a learning curve since, and spend some time reading and some time practically experimenting. At the moment, that is just with DSS precipitate and magnetic water traps.

I am still a bit all over the place, looking for a corner to settle into and open up my lunch box. Right now I am still opening doors to see what lies behind them. The more i open, the more doors become available, so it's a bit chaotic at the moment. I apologize for shooting from the hip so much, things will settle down as I narrow my focus.

I'll probably not be around again much today - celebrations with family the priority.

I do thank you all for the recco's and the reading list, and Carmody I'll definitely be checking out all your threads - is there an efficient way to find them, when I click on your username I can see all your posts, but there are a lot of pages and I don't know where to begin. Is there a way to view thread titles only that you started? or Perhaps you can give me some keywords to search for? Thanks

[DRT]

By the way, Joe Lello responded saying he began the work and got as far as completing the lunar phase and producing the Green Lion. He says it all went exactly as Cox had described.

He was then in a car accident involving a drunk driver that temporarily paralyzed him and damaged his spine.

He says since then (2 years ago) he has not felt able to return to the work.

He also said he knows of one person who claims to have had success with the procedure, but he modified it considerably, 'so that doesn't really count.' :)

[ulli]

I came into Alchemy via ORMUS 3 weeks or so ago and that led me to Barry Carter's site subtleenergies.com

I signed up to the yahoo list.

At some point I came upon Robert Cox's book on scribd 'Elixir of Immortality' which I posted in the list asking for feedback. Joe Lello posts in the Yahoo group so I was informed of his pdf addendum to Cox's book.

I've been on a learning curve since, and spend some time reading and some time practically experimenting. At the moment, that is just with DSS precipitate and magnetic water traps.

I am still a bit all over the place, looking for a corner to settle into and open up my lunch box. Right now I am still opening doors to see what lies behind them. The more i open, the more doors become available, so it's a bit chaotic at the moment. I apologize for shooting from the hip so much, things will settle down as I narrow my focus.

I'll probably not be around again much today - celebrations with family the priority.

I do thank you all for the recco's and the reading list, and Carmody I'll definitely be checking out all your threads - is there an efficient way to find them, when I click on your username I can see all your posts, but there are a lot of pages and I don't know where to begin. Is there a way to view thread titles only that you started? or Perhaps you can give me some keywords to search for? Thanks

Welcome to fully- fledged membership, DRT.
If you go to someone's profile page, on the left hand column you will find links
which not only take you to their latest posts but also all the threads which were started by them.
I'm looking forward to reading your Ormus reports, if you feel inclined to share.

[Inaiá]

(...) Carmody I'll definitely be checking out all your threads - is there an efficient way to find them, when I click on your username I can see all your posts, but there are a lot of pages and I don't know where to begin. Is there a way to view thread titles only that you started? or Perhaps you can give me some keywords to search for? Thanks

To complete ullli's tip, click on the member's name, than click in "View Profile", than, on the left and in the bottom of the list, click in "Find started threads".

[MariaDine]

I have them around the house and enjoy holding them, especially amethyst.

I haven't done anything formally with them though. What do you suggest?

Funny you say that though. Here's a bit of a story, but there is a point to it, even if I fail to clearly make it ;)

When I came back from my first Ayahuasca venture, at Sao Paolo airport there are several crystal shops. One in particular is wall to wall amethyst, or so it seemed to me. As I walked in I felt my body begin to vibrate. After a few minutes I felt I better leave before I end up back in the Aluna! I'd never felt any kind of connection to crystals before, in fact, I was never really sensitive in that way to anything.

I felt at the time I got a connection to the crystals as a gift from Aya. It also occurred to me that my first Aya would probably have accelerated any Kundalini arising particularly as it was an unusually large dose that put me into state for a few days rather than the usual 6-8 hours.

haha, actually, now as I type this, I recall lying face down in the dirt in the forest, belly exposed to the Earth, in my second journey. I suddenly felt my legs were separating from my body and move several meters away, or perhaps my spine elongated that distance.

Before going to Brazil, I was struggling with insomnia caused by spinal disc issues (I didn't know that at the time) that had been getting steadily worse since my late teens. After the experience with the Aya, the problem vanished for about 9 months.

I'd always considered it an energetic issue, until I eventually had an MRI and saw that the bottom two discs are prolapsed. When I compiled the Kundalini questionnaire by surfing the net looking for symptoms generally reported, I found one site stating that the arising K energy is powerful enough to pop out discs!

I think my ego prefers it to be an energetic issue than a bad posture issue :rofl:

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Ametyst is like a «detergent/soap» ...it cleans ! It's higher vibration upgrades everything.
Black turmaline avoids spacing out, i.e. keeps you grounded . Use it on your Earth Chacra - bellow your feet - when you use the ametyst in any other chacra. After the cleaning session, try a golden crystal, like citrine or pirite - try how it feels :)

Yes, posture is an issue. Try Pilates exercices in a local gym

or these 2 home exercices - they work !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqNnmC09eUU
ChecK the position of the body when you sleep and sit at the computer or drive.

Hands yoga - Mudras -helps too. Like this one. Do everyday for 45 minutes - http://www.eclecticenergies.com/mudras/mudra.php?num=13

:)

[meat suit]

Welcome DRT to PA! :hug:

This is most interesting 1st post! :wizard:

I am interested in reading about Alchemy, although I have never had the opportunity to physically practice it. I read the novel, 'The Red Lion' by Maria Szepes a decade ago, although this is only a tip of the iceberg taster compared to what you have been reading. Do you have a link for the Joe Lello and The Red Lion, which is on scribd and downloadable?

All I could find was 10 pages of the addendum here:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/Libraries/Books-Alchemy/The+Red+Lion+by+Joe+Lello.pdf

There are many members on PA all from different timezones, so hang on in here, I am sure there will be alchemist PA members who will arrive at your thread and give you a warm reception and deep discussion.

I will bookmark your thread and read the posts as they progress with great interest.

It is great that you have joined PA. :hug:

The thing that Robert Cox did, was to explain that the missing ingredient, all this time, was bismuth. Bismuth was associated with antimony, in elemental form, so it was never understood that the bismuth was the thing that was responsible for the making of the stone. Pure antimony does nothing.

I've covered all of the natural forms and some of the manufactured forms of the stone here on the forum, in various threads. It's quite the story. The level of investment is equal to the return. The return gives some form of all, so the investment of self and all is assured. It's a nod toward infinity, so infinity is the opening gambit concerning involvement

the ten page addendum, is the method of making this stone.

It takes about a year. A year of unceasing involvement, with no breaks or mistakes. Not even a few minutes of a mistake. One has to be very serious about it. The result is the material for human consumption that brings about a form of physical near immortality, and dimensional access. It will drive one insane, if they have no internal perpetration.

From the ten page addendum, the last few words... so one can get an idea:

NOTE:
The once-or twice-multiplied mature Red Stone is a dangerously potent restorative medicine. It must never be ingested full strength.

To dilute the Stone to a safe level for consumption, take up the tiniest grain of the material with a needle point and drop it into a pint of white wine. The wine will be dyed a deep red color. Take an eyedropper and place a drop of this reddened wine into another pint of white wine and it will turn
lighter shade of red. Continue in this manner until the wine turns a golden hue; this is the true "Potable Gold" and is now sufficiently diluted to the point where 1 or 2 DROPS of it may be consumed. No person should ever take more than 7 drops of this material at once. An average dose is 1 or 2 drops twice per year.

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(for one year, you constantly add energy to a mix. Imagine the potency.)

I suspect that more than 7 drops at once, can bring on the sleepless state, ie, being awake for maybe 4-5-6-8 months, 24-7, no breaks. With dimensional access, astral projection, spirits, energies, whatever. All unstoppably connected, no breaks, for that entire time. Imagine peaking on acid, for 4-6-8 months, 24-7. But far far more potent and off the rails. Not a thing to be toyed with.

Which is why the wet method, inefficient as it may be, is still so dang potent.

You are dealing with a nano-sized mix of superconductive cooper paired atomic systems, gold based.... which target and fix themselves to the ends of DNA strands. They make the DNA truly superconductive and connected to dimensional communications. Hypersensitive and self restorative. a huge increase in the conductivity and energy (cellular voltage) of the human body.

In the alternative medicine section, I detail on how to get a taste of this function, with the preparation and consumption of nano silver that is activated mildly.. in this sort of manner.

Each noble element gates or opens a different dimensional space, is how the story goes (in some explanations) Silver, is the moon. The emotions, or the darker realm of the dead who have not left yet, one might say. A lower astral realm. Consumption of the nano silver in a slightly charged state, that I show how to make (in that thread), can bring on access to that space.

I just read https://s3.amazonaws.com/Libraries/B...+Joe+Lello.pdf ,

what seems clear is that that :
A. the process is very lengthy, very expensive and quite dangerous..
B. since there is such a huge amount of the consumable material once diluted, there should be some available for purchase from somebody who has successfully completed the procedure...

Carmody, do you mean the Ormus 'wet method'?

[13th Warrior]

DRT,

Having read more than a few of the old texts on the stone; it's my understanding that common mercury (or bismuth) should not be used.

Mercury is the messenger...don't kill the messenger.

The One comes from the three which come from the one...this is the sign of the cross.

[samvado]

it's my understanding that common mercury (or bismuth) should not be used.

Mercury is the messenger...don't kill the messenger.

Hi 13W,

I dont get it, Bismut is not Mercury. The "common" denominator in alchemy signified that its the technical term, not the alchemical.
Please clarify, thanx!

-sam

[13th Warrior]

it's my understanding that common mercury (or bismuth) should not be used.

Mercury is the messenger...don't kill the messenger.

Hi 13W,

I dont get it, Bismut is not Mercury. The "common" denominator in alchemy signified that its the technical term, not the alchemical.
Please clarify, thanx!

-sam

I don't understand what you mean by technical?

One of the great deceptions in the art is the missunderstading of the words/symbols and their symbolic (not literal) meanings.

Bismuth was in reference to the OP (original post).

[Carmody]

The stone is something that is never to be 'sold' to another person. You make your own, you consume your own, and that is now it goes. It's simply off limits if one does not know how to make it or what it truly is/means. It's about not being able to 'buy' enlightenment. It is not a thing that is possible to 'sell' to another.

[samvado]

it's my understanding that common mercury (or bismuth) should not be used.

Mercury is the messenger...don't kill the messenger.

Hi 13W,

I dont get it, Bismut is not Mercury. The "common" denominator in alchemy signified that its the technical term, not the alchemical.
Please clarify, thanx!

-sam

I don't understand what you mean by technical?

One of the great deceptions in the art is the missunderstading of the words/symbols and their symbolic (not literal) meanings.

Bismuth was in reference to the OP (original post).

OK, got it now, my bad. I understood you to mean "common mercury also called bismuth" - english is not my first language...

I guess we are saying the same with different words, when the old philosophers said "our mercury" they didnt mean the metal.

[araucaria]

The stone is something that is never to be 'sold' to another person. You make your own, you consume your own, and that is now it goes. It's simply off limits if one does not know how to make it or what it truly is/means. It's about not being able to 'buy' enlightenment. It is not a thing that is possible to 'sell' to another.
There is an interesting paradox here, Carmody, since the homeopathic dilution method you described earlier involves the potential production of large quantities, enough to supply whole communities. It sounds like it should ideally involve a whole population sharing.

[meat suit]

The stone is something that is never to be 'sold' to another person. You make your own, you consume your own, and that is now it goes. It's simply off limits if one does not know how to make it or what it truly is/means. It's about not being able to 'buy' enlightenment. It is not a thing that is possible to 'sell' to another.
There is an interesting paradox here, Carmody, since the homeopathic dilution method you described earlier involves the potential production of large quantities, enough to supply whole communities. It sounds like it should ideally involve a whole population sharing.

I agree, and it seems a bit old fashioned to reserve that kind of enlightenment for the technically minded only...
are you allowed to give it away??

[Carmody]

The stone is something that is never to be 'sold' to another person. You make your own, you consume your own, and that is now it goes. It's simply off limits if one does not know how to make it or what it truly is/means. It's about not being able to 'buy' enlightenment. It is not a thing that is possible to 'sell' to another.
There is an interesting paradox here, Carmody, since the homeopathic dilution method you described earlier involves the potential production of large quantities, enough to supply whole communities. It sounds like it should ideally involve a whole population sharing.

Yep, a slow spiral towards enlightenment. A 'thousand legged race' akin to the three legged race.. but with many involved.

http://gb.fotolibra.com/images/previews/695531-three-legged-race-at-sports-day-60s.jpeg

If one wishes to race ahead, then they are going to be disconnecting from the rest and doing it on their own. If they wish to be the elephant in the room and drag the rest along, still attached..then they will wreak much a havoc in the lives of others, for no good reason.

this wreaking of havoc in the lives of others, due to the overt connection, is a recipe for the lives of those thousands - their energy, firing back up the line, and slamming the elephantine attempt, very hard.

Like Joe Lello. he showed the method of making the stone in it's charged and complete form. His reward was to never make it there.... and be hit by a drunk driver ...and get a split or damaged connection down at the root chakra.

Those other people who might get involved in attempting to make the charged stone, they might have other commitments and timelines and lessons in life they were supposed to be attending to and all the other people that are to be integrating with them, on their individual lessons of life and incarnation. To not to be distracted by a flag waving purposely, that is out of tune with their life path.

If one understands this sort of stuff ..and it becomes quite clear when playing with the stone as that is it's connections and purpose/path... then one is doing it in some form of emergent consciousness.

We are unconscious of our true selves in this place. When we begin to emerge into consciousness of who and what we are, we are to not disturb the paths of others. That sort of behavior and projection... would be an unconscious type of response (that the sleeping and unaware would consider to be the thing to be done) and the emergent consciousness would slowly begin to be aware of that.

If the person who is coming into awareness continues on that path of attempting to bring such things to the still unconscious overall group or individuals, they are going to find their ass in a sling pretty damned fast.

Which is a notable part of why you might have a group of people attempting to make the stone in a forum somewhere but basically silent,and barely speaking with one another. The unconscious folks might think that these folks are just being quiet so they can keep advantage to themselves, or that they are being quiet so they can be left alone by 'the big guys' (the nebulous baddies of the world) but it is also a thing that the idea of incarnation on this planet...takes care of it's own.

If one wants to go clear, then they are doing it on their own. The same reason that real gurus don't actually exist...or monks or whatnot, don't run around soliciting people or having big publicity drives. It is a PERSONAL thing, not universal as a forced personal drive into others - as we are all growing at our own pace. It is universally personal. Exactly as the metaphor shows it to be, as the holographic universe theory shows it to be.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66514-Physics-breakthrough-Is-the-universe-a-giant-hologram

Wade's thread in the priority thread area also inadvertently covers this exact subject, in the whole and in the minute specifics of results/fallout.

If one begins going down that road and try to force it into everyone else, with emotional stubbornness and other associated illogical crap, one will find themselves getting a swat to the head pretty damned fast. If that does not bring the message home, then something more permanent may arrive.

I, for example, as I came to enter the house yesterday, I slipped, nearly took out my shoulder and back, and barely missed hitting my head/temple on the low brick railing. It's about being seen as a potential example of a path, not handing the path to others.

If one wants it..then they can work for it. And one can get there, if one wants it and puts themselves into it.

There is a relevant sticker on the back bumper of this place, and it says 'no free rides'.

[DRT]

Fantastic.

I am encouraged by your posts Carmody.

I've worked out how to find your threads now, thanks for the couple of hints from Ulli and Inaiá.

I'll begin with this one: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7130-Monatomic-silver-and-properly-charged-one-of-the-true-philospoher-s-stone-s- ;)

Lots to study there, will get stuck in. Shall I post questions or comments in the threads themselves or keep it all here in this one?

Joe has offered a group call if anyone wants to follow his recipe (despite the emergence of a drunk driver between the lunar and solar phases!!)

Currently, I am still doing my DD and not committed to any particular course of action yet. The further down the road I get, the less I want to engage in a purely physical process e.g. it seemed important to make up a new batch of wet method DSS ORMUS today on the new moon, especially as it is also the start of 2014 and there is bags of 'expectation of newness and change' energy flying around.

I'm intending to attempt to concentrate this batch by removing the MgOH. Any advice or guidance on that Carmody, or would you say forget the DSS and get on with greater work?

By the way, and sorry if this is not cool to post links to other boards, but I also got curious about a thread on alchemyforums.com by Seth Ra, which has plenty of pix of his Stone, but not much info on how it was made.
http://forum.alchemyforums.com/showthread.php?3755-Seth-Ra-s-Philosopher-s-Stone
Registration there is closed, so I have no way to communicate with him, but from looking around there aren't that many places or people posting pics like these!

Happy 2014 to everyone who celebrates or acknowledges that stuff :)

[Carmody]

I'm keeping to myself, for the larger part, regarding this. The more a person understands when they involve themselves in a public group (and that is not a hint for private communications -no response there either), the more the universe brings out the hammer. I've done more than enough. Y'all can make your own decisions. Joe can do what he wants, as things ever are to be.

[DRT]

Fair enough and thanks for the support you have given already.

All the best

[13th Warrior]

it's my understanding that common mercury (or bismuth) should not be used.

Mercury is the messenger...don't kill the messenger.

Hi 13W,

I dont get it, Bismut is not Mercury. The "common" denominator in alchemy signified that its the technical term, not the alchemical.
Please clarify, thanx!

-sam

I don't understand what you mean by technical?

One of the great deceptions in the art is the missunderstading of the words/symbols and their symbolic (not literal) meanings.

Bismuth was in reference to the OP (original post).

OK, got it now, my bad. I understood you to mean "common mercury also called bismuth" - english is not my first language...

I guess we are saying the same with different words, when the old philosophers said "our mercury" they didnt mean the metal.

You were correct that bismuth is not mercury. Your second statement above is correct understanding.

[13th Warrior]

DRT,


ORMUS today on the new moon, especially as it is also the start of 2014 and there is bags of 'expectation of newness and change' energy flying around.

I realize that I risk looking the fool; since I am unfamiliar with the ormus process...

The new moon has always been a time for reduction/binding work; the full moon is for prosperity.

[DRT]

The wet method of producing ORMUS precipitate is to add NaOH to a solution of Dead Sea Salt (or other material) and gently raise the pH to a maximum of 10.78.

I believe the theory is that the precipitate (mostly MgOH and CaOH) somehow 'boxes' the m-state material in it (binding?)

The precipitate is then washed with pure water a few times to remove the excess salt until it is simply a white gelatinous lump that can be consumed or mixed in liquid and drunk or added to plants etc etc. This is supposed to be mainly MgOH with some other metal hydroxides and a little bit of m-state material (which apparently depends on the source material - DSS supposedly being one of the best sources for a range of ORMUS elements, especially gold).

Those are my limited understandings from a month of being around this field, so don't take that as gospel :)

I like to start new things on the new moon and harvest on the full moon. I have no science behind that, it just felt appropriate :)

[Carmody]

Since all is vibration, and the trick is about 'molecular tickling' in the atomic vibrational sense, then the position of the moon is paramount.

For example, the origins of the positions, vectorally speaking, of the planets, in the dimensional matrix, with relation to the earth, is the key point in astrology. Why it works, as a probability tracking system, through time.

The dew of the full moon is gathered, as it has the correct vibrational premise, in it's condensation origins. Pure homeopathic methodologies of the first or original premise.

This is chemistry and all chemistry is based on alchemy.

Do not use metallic vessels and do not use electrical heat sources. Glass or stone/etc vessels and natural heat flames. do not allow magnetics or electromagnetics anywhere near the process or materials when in their 'operations' phases.

Also consider not allowing humidity in the environment to drop too low, either, as that is also a subtle modifier. 40-45% environmental humidity is approximately neutral in atmospheric charge release/accumulation. Kinda equivalent to a 'neutral pH of 7.0' for the air, so to speak.

[DRT]

Thanks again, all good info.
Would you consider a centrifuge a no-no (as it has an electric motor)?

[Carmody]

I would not subject the materials, in one's initial testing and trials, to any form of artificiality.

For example, the spin of motors and flywheels is what causes these devices to work, to achieve over unity, so to speak. thus, it is an issue of the underlying frameworks of the reality matrix.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Gravity_Motors

To get a handle on the fundamental of what is going on, before trying artifice to change the equations. There is no doubt that the correct types of artifice added to the systems known to work, will bring bounty, but to ascertain what they are first, by being successful in the original known methods. To maybe try it out as a secondary parallel path of experimentation.

It may work beautifully.

For example the centrifuge method of heavy water preparation and separation, in '235-238 accumulation/separation' may work for reasons other than those which are considered to be 'real'.

Consider the metallic device interference and limitation model and understanding, when trying to find the right centrifuge. That the devices in the gravity wheel attempts fundamentally require that the wheels in their systems be of metallic origin, due to their interference/refractive/splitting characteristics in and with the aether vacuum.

You are dealing with materials which are specifically OUTSIDE of the idea of metallic lattice solids and have concern around cooper paired individual atomic structures. Any undue or undesirable influence in the quantum integration sense -that may be enacted on the process, is to be avoided.

Which is why it is correct place, correct time, correct method, correct materials, and correct mind.

[DRT]

OK cool, I thought as much.

I notice that the ppt I make and consume within an hour of starting the mix seems to be more potent than later on. This is only possible with my current ability using the centrifuge, so I kinda liked it, but I am not attached :)

[Carmody]

The creation of the stone is essentially this thing here, which is alchemical methodologies, that have been altered to make weapons. specifically the part about enrichment methods. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium)

So you can see that what is going on, in the modern technical sense is actually, 'ancient high technology'.

Which of course, to our ignorance, looks like magic. As of the past decade, the public's ignorance in these matters is rapidly dissipating.

Thus we have a final run toward an imposed and enforced depopulation and imposed death and ignorance -coming from 'the hidden hand', vs that of a struggle to move into a rising awareness.

When you play in these areas, you are playing with the sharpest end of the stick that is possible to exist, on and in all levels of existence. You are playing in the most dangerous and active areas of all aspects of any possible action and war theater, in multiple directions and dimensions.

Essentially, we've got a situation where the hidden powers are horrifically misusing the fundamentals of reality, which were designed to be navigated by the intrepid people who are incarnated in human bodies, to naturally move toward growth and elevation of self in knowledge and scope of being. They have bastardized and turned the entire equation of rising life, openness and growth, into methods of death, control, and power.

They thought that using these developed monkey bodies as incarnation vessels, would be a good idea, as it is a challenge to grow into a multifaceted being of intelligence and experience, via this integration with these bodies (and thus their complex integrated trials and tribulations in life). Well, it has been. Look at this freaking mess. (sadly, it gets more complex than that simple point)

And this means that we need to move into more awareness and more understanding of who and what we are. Individually, as a group, not hauled to a specific point by a single individual or a few, as that way spells disaster, due to the individuality of the mix. Individuals may be key opening points -identical to how seeds in the alchemical mix begin the cascade into overall cooper pairing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czochralski_process)- but I doubt that it would be a good idea to move past that, in the imposition of individuals upon all.

A rather complex "time" to be "alive" in.

[DRT]

Hi guys and sorry I have been absent from this thread for a few days.

I am getting some coaching on additions to wet method ORMUS by someone who seems to have quite a grounding. I made up a batch today using a different technique and it seems to be more potent.

It feels like I am going to be finding my feet for quite a while and experimenting with different methods and procedures. I am not ready to start working with metals on a 10 month experiment just yet.

For the record, if anyone wishes to form a group experiment to proceed with the Stone recipe that Joe has detailed from Cox's book, Joe said he would be happy to be on group calls.

I certainly am not ready, able or willing to lead, or be perceived to be leading anything at this point.

[DRT]

OK, I am still alive and active but have made no progress in terms of this particular thread idea. The more I study and get involved in this fascinating subject, the more I feel I was not on track with the subject of this thread.

My path has led me further into the inner alchemy world and towards non-literal interpretations of materials and recipes.

So mercury may refer to information/mind/thought etc, sulphur to energy/emotion/feeling and salt to form, rather than the chemicals.

I feel very drawn to the idea of the 3 principals and the 4 elements as it marries nicely with my own contemplations over the past few years.

I apologize if I have created disappointment regarding working with the Cox/Lello recipe.

Carmody, I do still intend to study your threads, but right now I am swamped with reading material and have a couple of advisors from elsewhere helping with lab work. I have to say that the reference to the lower astral realms regarding the nano-silver product kinda put me off that process. Right now I feel I've done enough work in these realms and need a break from them, and I do appreciate how lame or ignorant that might sound!

We could be referring to completely different things, but I'll trust the visions for now until some other info shows up :)

[13th Warrior]

DRT,

You've been pulled in a new direction...it's all part of the process.

I'll just leave you with this: I believe "The Stone" is a real physical object produced outside the body; this is the "Tree of Life"

Best wishes