Mysterious, Ancient Bible on Display

[Skywizard]

In the exquisite Peacock Room at the Smithsonian's Freer Gallery of Art, one of the oldest Bibles in existence recently went on display. This priceless artifact from the personal collection of Charles Freer contains a passage not seen in any other biblical manuscript, in which Jesus proclaims the end of Satan's reign on Earth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12wYfNKBrgA


To read more go to: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/12/131227-ancient-bible-codex-washingtonianus-freer-logion-religion-culture/


peace...
skywizard

[sigma6]

oops (lol)

[marlowe]

oops (lol)

Yeah right...Seems like if he were the son of God he would get THAT prediction correct ;)

But then maybe the guy that wrote the passage was a bit optimistic.....
IMO the real Jesus was Gnostic and believed that the god of the Old Testament was Satan :painkiller: Just stating my opinion... :)

[ghostrider]

back then few people could read and write ...Immanuel said the writings of Judas would be the most accurate of the spiritual teachings ... He hasn't even died and they already corrupt his words , adding verses , not good ... interesting Immanuel points to Judas for correct events and the church sells him as the betrayer ... hmmmm , The church went to great lengths to demonize Judas so no one would ever want to read his record of events ...

[GreenGuy]

I've had the idea for many years that Judas Iscariot got a raw deal. The usual interpretation of his surname, Iscariot, is that it's a Greek version of ish-kerioth, or man of Kerioth -a town in southern Judea. The other disciples were Galileans, and it's supposed that they resented him because he was from another part of the country. They considered him a hillbilly, basically. However, Isaac Asimov suggested that the name had been a misspelling, and that it should have been Sicariot - identifying him as a member of the Sicarii, a quasi-terrorist, anti-Roman group with which some of the other disciples may have been connected - notably Simon Zelotes, the Zealot.

Judas was the treasurer of the group - if he was dishonest, and if Jesus presumably knew everything, why was he trusted with the money? It's true that one of the gospels accuses Judas of stealing, but it sounds like jealous sniping to me. It may be that Judas was actually the most trusted of the disciples. There is even an old tradition that Jesus and Judas were twins. Be that as it may, I think there is more to the truth than the Bible tells about this man.

[bogeyman]

Our excessive interest in materialism amazes me. It is the contents and what it is trying to tell you not what it is that is important.

[GreenGuy]

Our excessive interest in materialism amazes me. It is the contents and what it is trying to tell you not what it is that is important.

I quite agree with this. And yet, something that is ancient has a built-in value that goes beyond money and materialism. This is especially true when it comes to spiritual traditions. The problem here in my view is not materialism but dogma.

[MariaDine]

The part that caught the attention of the public

"And Christ replied to them, 'The term of years of Satan's power has been fulfilled, but other terrible things draw near.'"


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MARK - between 16:14 and 16:15 ------------the full text...

«And they excused themselves, saying, This age of lawlessness and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and power of God to prevail over the unclean things dominated by the spirits. Therefore reveal your righteousness now. — thus they spoke to Christ. And Christ responded to them, The limit of the years of Satan's power is completed, but other terrible things draw near. And for those who sinned I was handed over to death, that they might return to the truth and no longer sin, in order that they might inherit the spiritual and incorruptible heavenly glory of righteousness.

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--------Mark 16:8 (undisputed text) And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

--------Longer Ending 16:9–14 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

------Freer Logion (between 16:14 and 16:15) And they excused themselves, saying, This age of lawlessness and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and power of God to prevail over the unclean things dominated by the spirits. Therefore reveal your righteousness now. — thus they spoke to Christ. And Christ responded to them, The limit of the years of Satan's power is completed, but other terrible things draw near. And for those who sinned I was handed over to death, that they might return to the truth and no longer sin, in order that they might inherit the spiritual and incorruptible heavenly glory of righteousness.

------Longer Ending (16:15–20) And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

---------Shorter Ending And they reported all the instructions briefly to Peter's companions. Afterwards Jesus himself, through them, sent forth from east to west the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. Amen. (Greek text)

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I'm parcial to the message in the LONGER ENDING and not so much to the one about the «other terrible things draw near» .;)

[conk]

I've had the idea for many years that Judas Iscariot got a raw deal. The usual interpretation of his surname, Iscariot, is that it's a Greek version of ish-kerioth, or man of Kerioth -a town in southern Judea. The other disciples were Galileans, and it's supposed that they resented him because he was from another part of the country. They considered him a hillbilly, basically. However, Isaac Asimov suggested that the name had been a misspelling, and that it should have been Sicariot - identifying him as a member of the Sicarii, a quasi-terrorist, anti-Roman group with which some of the other disciples may have been connected - notably Simon Zelotes, the Zealot.

Judas was the treasurer of the group - if he was dishonest, and if Jesus presumably knew everything, why was he trusted with the money? It's true that one of the gospels accuses Judas of stealing, but it sounds like jealous sniping to me. It may be that Judas was actually the most trusted of the disciples. There is even an old tradition that Jesus and Judas were twins. Be that as it may, I think there is more to the truth than the Bible tells about this man. You'll like this. http://www.rense.com/general71/defmo.htm

[mahalall]

Skywizard: quoting primary reference:
Jesus proclaims the end of Satan's reign on Earth

same quote arose this morning when sitting.

there is a process in dissolving when impurities arise to the surface-just allowing them to float up and pass away in becoming lighter and lighter.
so similarly the increase of earthly energy as reported then and particularly being reported now from varying psycho-spiritual perspectives could contribute to a view that the impurities of satan reign are arising and bubbling away.

don't quote the big J on that one though

[sigma6]

Our excessive interest in materialism amazes me. It is the contents and what it is trying to tell you not what it is that is important.

Yes and no bogey, there is no doubt a lot of excellent knowledge hidden in the layers of the bible, and it is a book of "layers".

But it absolutely needs to be interpreted. And any and all external historical sources that either confirm or deny the literary version are essential. I now see a completely different book and a completely different story. So yes the philosophy it preaches, which is essentially very similar to Eastern Philosophical text is very important, but that is just one faucet. And btw, it is good to know the Bible is not the sole source of teaching about compassion and love and peace, or truth, or a Saviour born of a virgin espousing all these things... and it is that context that starts to open your eyes, that maybe Jesus, whom the Roman Catholic Church pretends to own copyrights to (LOL) isn't (dare I say it...) the only source of truth and light and love on this planet... It is our image of truth and love and compassion that we are projecting on the story of Jesus... I think that is the principle you speak of... Many call this the "Christ consciousness" it's a little cliche but it has merit as a description of what you may be getting at, and in that sense I would agree.

But this is the point, the idea of having this "universal" consciousness does not solely or necessarily come from the Bible, it is assumed that, but we all know there is just as much (ok, a lot less) hypocrisy in many "churches" so it is really two separate issues. Understanding the principle of love as one concept and critiquing and researching the abundant hidden meaning, (purposely hidden I might add) in that most fascinating tome.

This age has the potential to be the age of enlightenment, but in order to get there we may have to roast some sacred cows on the alter of blind supposition.

here's another, some saw the John the Baptiste as being holier then Jesus!... Jesus himself pretty much thought so... but then again Jesus never wrote one book did he?

There is more then meets the eye...