Holo-gravitic buoyancy drive

[Bob]

http://chanlo.com/images/triangle-1.jpg


http://cc.amazingcounters.com/counter.php?i=3190880&c=9572953

the image on the right shows (in red) where space is geometrically "folded"), the "vehicle" on the left (the optical image) is slightly moving "forward".. the blue is the structural geometry surround the drive/shell.

ed note - holographic image (rotate it 90deg to the right), this is looking UPwards into the vehicle


http://chanlo.com/images/triangle-1a.jpg

This thread endeavors to explain an "ancient" gravity drive system, with some history, and basic physics. The concept to keep in mind while reading, is imagine being in a large swimming pool about 1/2 way from the bottom, and being neutrally buoyant, or neutrally floating when looking at gravity "neutralization". No unheard of "anti-gravity" fields, no magic "elements"..

[Tesseract]

source link?

[Bob]

me

what do you want to know

[Robin]

From what I've researched, these triangle-shaped aircraft are built and operated by people of this planet (i.e. not UFOs from ETs). Would you agree, Bob?

What is the benefit of having a triangle-shaped craft? Does it provide a certain function such as bending space, or does it have a simpler purpose such as resembling a pyramid to advertise their symbol of power?

[Bob]

Agreed Sam. Ripoff copies having analyzed early downed tech - soviet downed vehicles and US downed vehicles.

ah the symbology - well if you look at the holo-pattern the shaped field is the easiest to generate directional motion. The central core is not the magical element Lazar talks about, (that's disinformation put out to make it "impossible" to build).. the classic AG drives (the old pioneers called 'em that) anti-gravity (one can't antigravity without a bunch of hoops having to be performed which is part of the indoc training to keep people looking in the wrong direction), were based on CONES, spinning cones and spinning masses. I was going to get into that in the Case for the UFO thread... maybe later..

A cube could be a simple geometry, but the triangle has some good inherent stealthy features, and a radar profile makes it look like a normal aircraft.. bunch of reasons for that, but the "zero point" generator, (we could call it that, but that even is a bit distracting as to all the disinformation in zero point physics), the gravity cone|cone generator is packaged as needed.

One could take this off-world if one is gonna deal with pressures, vacuum and "them", the guys who this tech was "acquired from".. I'm not in on the politiking that goes on.. my gig is tech. :)

[Nanoo Nanoo]

so are you super imposing a live subject to gain its reading or is it reading a 2 d ?

[Bob]

its live data, the shape in the holo-pattern shows the interaction of the cones where they have shaped space, and where the shell is being neutralized, pbly also dealing with inertia issues to an extent inside. I discussed this with some folks on the supersonic shock wave elimination bypassing the air compression expansion, the electric field was needed to deal with that, another component added... some of the support mechanics: the drive, the power (a feedback off the zero point when created, sorta like light the fire and it self sustains).. Remember the earlier Indian's developed this stuff from mercury boiler engines, moving masses in geometries as needed to balance the planet mass below (primitive "gravity as below make as above").. inertia drives a bit comes in there for steering - upset the balances, shape the field and matter complies, moving into the "density" difference (or lack of buoyancy configuration)..

Ed Note: I'll pullout one of my old papers and put it below in another post to explain a bit of that more clearly with some pictures..

[Nanoo Nanoo]

so the opposing 90 deg angles are whats keeping it in place ? like an opposing energy diffraction or flux ?

[Carmody]

http://www.theyalltoldthetruth.com/id75.htm (David Hamel) (spinning cone AG devices)

It is a variant of these:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Gravity_Motors

Everything uses the same effect, essentially.

All the same root causal origins.

[Bob]

I just can't get over how often all this has been kept hidden Carmody.. isn't that something..

[Bob]

http://cc.amazingcounters.com/counter.php?i=3190880&c=9572953


so the opposing 90 deg angles are whats keeping it in place ? like an opposing energy diffraction or flux ?

Did a re-write of the article for some more clarity..

to see a pix obviously is worth a whole website page of explantions as well as full length math papers explaining how it works..

Gravity effects are addressed via the understanding of buoyancy - I published this early in the 90's and it was conveniently pushed to the bottom of the stack or trivialized (we all know how that works)..

Neutral buoyancy means what? If you are neutral in the medium you are in, you float and there is no effect of gravity present. Like duh... eh? If that which is above you, left, right and below are all equal force vector wise, you float, or gravity effects are compensated. Inertia too? Well, check it out, eh?

Force BALANCING is the magical concept here. Gravity is not balanced, therefore we see an acceleration towards the maximum "density point". (How many more hints do I have to provide here?)

This is one potential variation of a gravity generator, using the "granite balls" concept. (This is what you see Carmody pointing out above in the rotating balls concept (see Hamel), very primitive, one of the pioneering designs to create a shaped gravity field. )

http://chanlo.com/images/ball-1.jpg

Version 1 above, (my version) shows the balls rotating on that axis. Version 2 tweaks the balls' rotational axis (important for tuning the vectors see the rotational harmonics on the sphere equation below if ur interested in HOW such rotates). So tuning, in this case is using axis orientation of the balls and speed of rotation. Version 3 also then spins the platform onto which the balls are rotating. (tuning is positioning where the fields are pointed).

The point here being, "a shaped vectorial stored and radiative, electric spherical charge packet containment structure in plurality" (as illustrated above), the balls are massive.

The balls are also charged microcrystalline structures (solid spheres). They are moved in a specific manner.

Another variation (of this platform module) would contain a magnetic component, although the mass plus the rotating charges would contain an intensely strong radiative effect. Generally a magnetic component is used to effectively create electrical energy from the gravity stress - E H and G where Electric and H (magnetic) and G gravitic are the three main components active along with the movement of the fields. That makes up the active mechanism..

Dealing with any unique "structure" (such as the vehicle body) can be added to completely appreciate a properly tuned buoyancy system, but there is no reason to discuss that here, refer to the first post to see for instance in how the triangle craft has a unique space time geometry "bend" pattern.

KEY is moving charge, moving mass, and such which rotates creates an acceleration field. Gravity has been called an acceleration field in some circles. Spinning objects are under acceleration... Another varient is to "spin" equivalent MASS-FIELDS in the configuration illustrated. Spinning fields as such allows for faster acceleration and deeper vortex gravity wells.

A more ancient version of this concept is within the ancient Vedic Vaimanika Shastra ratha or vimanas design using channels of vortexed spinning mercury, basically the return cooling cycle of the mercury looks like a tornadic flow returning to the central boiler. The mercury provided the accelerating mass with a shaped angular field direction. (One can see some of this tornadic concept in Viktor Schauberger's designs)

Were fixed "lodestones" (magnets) used in such vimina designs, or was the "iron" boiler sufficient to generate the central magnetic core? Rig-veda allegedly discusses the "plans" for this engine. David Childress's book, Vimana Aircraft of Ancient India and Atlantis has very good references on this subject. (I have a few pictures in a later post below).

In both solid ball or mercury plasma gas, the speed of "rotation" is tied to the virtual mass increase during spinning. (Ex. take a 1 pound weight and attach to a string, and spin it, and note an increase in "virtual weight" "tug" at the axis point of the string). Jessup noted in the Annotated edition, a rotating "cathode" field in a piezo medium in the 50's. That type of field modulator (rotating high concentration of electron flow in a piezo disk) was doable back then.

The idea is to get the gravity field buoyancy effect by inducing gravity where it is not (above the vehicle) - i.e. gravity generators create "anti-gravity" (funny, eh?) ... Just imagine being in a "sea" of gravity, above below, to the sides and things. (Total immersion) floating, no downward well to fall into.

If you are on the surface of the sea (an edge of the buoyancy field system created), you aren't going to be able to go UP out of the created system, but you could go down into the virtual sea (going into the gravity system). Or imagine being right at the center of the earth where every thing is balanced as far as flows go. There is nullification then in the buoyancy system. As the buoyancy system is portable, one takes it with them, continually keeping the lower and upper gravity wells equalized. Just trying to add some visuals here.

A bit of humor - If one reads any article that says you are pushing with a field, or neutralizing the gravity well coming from the planet (in any assorted way neutralizing out that massive field - the gravity well from below), listen for that quack quack sound and hold onto your wallet. Gravity buoyancy is the only way to float, in a buoyant manner, in other words a system which creates an upper gravity well is needed to evoke the balance. To try to neutralize by cancelling planetary mass is bogus, or a drive that gets one off the planet out of the planet's gravity well is really a rocket drive. Trying to deal with all the planet's mass directly will require more energy than is feasible, and keep one sufficiently grounded. That is a logic observation..

The diagram below shows the gravity well effect that the planet produces on each point, or object that is on its surface.

http://chanlo.com/images/cone-1.gif

Objects trapped in the well are falling to the center of the planet, the "point" of the well. If you move on the surface of the planet, that well effect virtually travels with you, so you are always in the well trying to reach the bottom of it.. gravity stuck..

IF you can NOT demonstrate mathematically and prove physically that you've force balanced the below gravity well by adding an UPPER gravity well (above you), and achieved buoyancy, one is not going to FLY/FLOAT.

If one can get out of the well, without an upper buoyancy well being created opposite in location to the lower planetary gravity well, it's more kinetic "rocket" drive that one used. A rocket is going to use a lot of fuel to achieve and maintain levitation. The upper gravity well has to be created to achieve buoyancy and precisely equal the lower gravity well.

Understand this: The key to this is to mathematically remove the lopsided forces and get that nice buoyancy resemblance in the scalar fields. The lower gravity well has to be compensated by creating an upper gravity well of equal dimensional magnitude for neutral buoyancy. Dimensional magnitude and shape takes into consideration that the "vehicle" is not a perfect sphere point source.. (that is part of the fine tuning of the geometry).

IF this gravity well diagram as shown below cannot be created one never balances, and there is no gravity buoyancy effect.

http://chanlo.com/images/cone-2.gif

The lower and upper wells are precisely placed against each other, and as a note, at the central point of the well "mouths", the zero point, one can use that for "other" useful features.. The wide points in the diagram are the well "mouths".

Analogy - When IN the sea, you have freedom, so how do you make the gravity sea above you when you are on the earth... All sorts of gravity generators can be made to induce gravity buoyancy. (The old mechanical stuff is cute though and oh so nostalgic !)

Mechanically based systems surely do keep people busy, and do you just suppose that's why such is talked about so much, as then it gets people stuck in mechanics which are so unwieldy? (I tend to believe disinformation in the field was created when people got close to prevent them from having in essence perpetual free energy, matter creation, transportation.. all through zero point holographic modulation at the wave cones).

I also wonder who's going to benefit by now selling kits, consisting of magnets by the 2 or so gross, the tooled mechanicals (the shafts, the motors, the spheres), and virtually financially "clean up" then with such a "fantastic" prediction and statement that "it flies" (clamor clamor drivel drivel). If people are kept dis-informed, they will stay controlled - take a look around one for the dis-informers and take a look at then what one has believed and see if one has thusly been self-trapped.


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I personally prefer pure electronic methods, than the older mechanical models as electronic steering gets around the shortcoming of mechanics and mechanical alignments.

One properly designed electronically controlled 'dielectric stress shape modulated system' generally uses no unusual parts, and surely would cost less and be more conventional than any gross mechanics ;-)) and able to be controlled by the speed of the computer and lag in the materials used.

If one remembers Jessup of the 50's era, in "The Case for the UFO" the annotated edition, "Allende" and Jessup discuss the use of rapidly spinning heavy mass ion cathodic rays as the shaped field for the upper well gravity buoyancy field generator.

I tend to like to use the concept "energy mass equivalency" in setting up the acceleration to evoke virtual gravity equality "mass" above one, to create that sea of gravity like effect.

If one is moving a light "mass" it's going to take a larger rate of acceleration than a greater "mass" to get that energy mass equivalency balanced out. (I was going to get into all this in my "Case for the UFO" forum thread, but I was distracted at that point to not continue explaining the physics which was happening in that book, at that time.)

I used to "fly" little versions of the scalar mass "ball" design when I used to do workshops back in the early 90's. Cute little things were only 2 inches in diameter, and ran off about 2 watts of power.

As I changed the generator waveforms, I could get the device to spin around, move in ANY direction, and even up an incline (which generally really got people wondering WHAT was happening, and how the heck could it do that). It became very clear that this method also then could "move" large masses around with the "block" virtually floating. Gee do you think Coral Castle was built that way (driven by sonic waveforms) ... eh ?

The apparatus it was said Edward Leedskalnin used to move his massive coral blocks strangely resembled Tesla's "thumper". I pointed this out in the "Leedskalnin thread" and that was apparently overlooked too :) snicker.. funny how important keys are passed over.

Referring to the Mass Module Scalar device picture (in this post) above for the layout.

In my model, the BALLS were fixed and note their precise placement on the disk, not on the center (of the disk) for the balls; the orange lines (in that picture) represented the size and location of the drive transducer (the inner set of lines shows where the active element is located), the outer is the periphery of the disk supporting the active stressed piezo-dielectric structure.

The piezo structure did not go to the edge of the disk but at the junction between where the piezo element stopped I added the balls). I used ONE central drive point dead center for the power coupling. I prefer to use a moving field within the structure (and the balls), instead of doing the stupid mechanical method of actually moving the balls (duhhh). Mechanical methods work for illustration, but don't provide good practical.

Guess the mechanics (bigger hammer) mindsets will continue to keep things large and unwieldy, made always purely mechanical with massive rotating structures ... my logic is if a mechanics system has to be used to develop the upper gravity well, put the proper field pattern into the structure and move the field pattern, not the structure to create the effects needed.

What did I spend for the materials, heck, I think it was a whumping $1.79 for the complete version, ehe ehehh. The really ridiculously funniest version of this concept was the soda bottle cap flyer - it used an aluminum bottle cap and a transducer on top to drive it. Did I just give you another hint about how to focus things? The bottle cap showed some of the geometry where the moving fields had to be placed to evoke the shaped G well.

If one creates a slight imbalance of a larger magnitude on the upper gravity well, structure movement towards the upper gravity well happens as the top well is deeper (denser/stronger) - movement is "upward". chanlo.com/images/cone-3.gif

That bigger model though is what is used in the flying triangles. Building a cute little toy to play around in workshops was fun, but really the people just didn't want to connect the dots what all that meant.. strange really..

Harmonics on a Sphere -

http://chanlo.com/images/sphere-equation-1.gifA scalar field on a sphere is represented as a series of spherical harmonic multi-poles.

When dealing with moving a "virtual mass" internally (not actually physically rotating the sphere), one moves the energy pattern within the sphere, and through the sphere and on the surface of the sphere. Spherical harmonic equations enable one to predict and map.

The only other way is just brute force experimentation.

ref - case for the UFO - varo edition http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63859-The-Case-for-the-UFO-Varo-Edition

ref - case for the UFO - varo edition dialog thread - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63912-Dialog-thread-for-Case-for-the-UFO-Annotated-Edition.&p=737638&viewfull=1#post737638

I suppose at some point it may be interesting to look at how to "bring down" a gravity buoyancy system by interfering with the zero point, or creating larger lower gravity well systems causing an attraction to the planet.. (counter-measures in other words). Developing counter-measures to the countermeasures would be interesting too..

I hope this helps a bit more with the re-write.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

i think information intersects with acceptance when the conditions are right.

what that equals is understanding ... i have yet to reach that point in this example ...

my brain hurts now ... i am going to have a rest

: 0 )

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[mosquito]

Bob, the maths is way over my head here (my brain hurts now too !!), but if I understand you correctly, (some of) what you are saying is that the creation of devices which display gravity buoyancy is well within our ability and understanding, yet people perhaps aren't able to accept that it could be so simple and are unwilling to take the sideways step in thinking necessary to contemplate the inherent possibility of such devices. Or have I missed the point ?!!

[GreenGuy]

This is way over my head too, but I do know that triangular craft exist because I've seen one twice. Probably the same one on two different occasions. And I know it was a terrestrial craft because I could hear the jet engine. It had a slightly different sound than a conventional jet - lower in pitch, and a sort of pulsing beat. Plus, the craft was moving slowly for a jet. The first time I saw it, I extended my hand to measure the size. My two fingers just covered it....assuming it was roughly the size of a passenger jet, I figured its altitude was less than 5,000 feet. The second time I saw it the altitude was much greater and the tip of my index finger obscured it completely.

Both sightings were at night. I could see the outline of the craft only when it passed in front of the Milky Way, revealing an equilateral triangle. It had a steady (nonblinking) gold or orange light at each apex. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

[Bob]

the math is about what types of patterns of waves form on spheres, and can the waves align the mass of the spheres, all the charges within so that the geometry causes the fields to point in a direction.. In the gravity well, the smallest point is the maximum density, or with a sphere planet, that points towards the center...

If we believe that the Vedic Vaimanika Shastra, ratha or vimanas design actually worked and people flew around without computer controlled electrically powered plasma field generators (as described in the Varo Edition (annotated) Case for the UFO by Jessup, then how could they do it..

http://www.utaot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/pl04.jpg and

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vimanas/vs/img/pl14.jpg

remember Jessup was in 1957 had this annotated book handed back to him with notes describing techniques, that had to be performed without advanced miniaturized processing computers... The technology available was basically vacuum tube design, things which contained magnetic servos, rotating magnetic fields, microwave radar transmitters, and a good understanding of piezoelectric materials.

The piezo material could be electrically excited and virtually "spun" with rotating fields, not rotating the actual object (the core transducer).. when shaped, the spun field is like what I mentioned in the bucket of water analogy, an acceleration occurs, similar to a gravity acceleration... Shaping it and directing it opposite to the planetary gravity cone cancels the cone below..

A couple more:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-izBAsUpScmM/Uay8EDTaGuI/AAAAAAAAFYU/NimmMrdT0d4/s320/space_craft.jpg

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/sacredscripts/hinduism/vimana/images/pl06.jpg

[noprophet]

Could running a charge through a spinning ball of water, stacked with another -- and spinning opposite -- generate the correct fields?

[Bob]

William (Walter) Baumgartner and Viktor Schauberger I believe did such things, pointing out how a tornadic rotation would change "gravity", create electricity, and an additional "charge". Possibly that was some of the logic behind the torsional twist concepts which appeared trying to explain such phenomenon..

Here's the google on that
https://www.google.com/search?q=Viktor+Schauberger+tornado+water&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ZhjBUpPPEoHCywHgioHoCw&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1008&bih=468

keywords: Viktor Schauberger tornado water and choose IMAGES to bring up some diagrams..

when mercury was used I believe it was because it was state-changeable, able to move between a heavy liquid and a vapor (able to be moved thru vapor by heating boilers). So the whole configuration was a shaped chamber, a mercury reservoir, a boiler and simple heat source. No rocket science needed..

"Trout turbine" for instance was one of the observations they talked about..

I had the fortune to have met Walter a couple times.

http://www.dancingwithwater.com/wp-content/uploads/vortex.jpg

and the classic

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8axQgorHa7M/TBJkKkJYQ3I/AAAAAAAAAPU/Y14MxwFHeZ4/s640/002qwrc7.png

[Bob]

I took out some shortcuts in post 11 above re-writing sections for what I hope is better clarity, and added in a few more concepts and dialog - and hopefully less brain fog.. That was done 24 years ago and was more "geek speaky" :)

Not quite what one is taught in school, but something that is interesting..

Post 1 the diagram, the graphic on the right... at some point, see if one can note how the geometry works based on the discussion in the thread. (the angle of the holo-geometry isn't in the same orientation as the vehicle shown in the optical - rotate that by 90 degrees to the right for a more accurate representation of orientation..

[noprophet]

Post 1 the diagram, the graphic on the right... at some point, see if one can note how the geometry works based on the discussion in the thread. (the angle of the holo-geometry isn't in the same orientation as the vehicle shown in the optical - rotate that by 90 degrees to the right for a more accurate representation of orientation..

At first I was thinking, because the field looks like two stacked toruses, that the lines could be lines of force ejecting out the top and bottom of the fields with such high energy they produce nearly straight lines of force... kind of like:
http://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full/2006/18/aa1981-04/img54.gif

But.. they seem to be coming out of the whole thing, more like radiation, which leaves me a bit confused.

[Bob]

from my experience with solenoid-torus configurations, a "G" wave could be created.. when we did the field capture it looks like there is something mirror like, but one part of the image is either elongated, the other being compressed.. My guess is that is what is inducing movement.. possibly as this is a 3D representation being shown in 2D, we may be seeing the other parts of the overall field structure - part for movement, part for craft shape neutralization, part for earth gravity well neutralization, part for the upper "earth-mirror" gravity well.. all images at the same time..

if that is the case, could each aspect be then separated to explore each geometry separately?


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At first I was thinking, because the field looks like two stacked toruses, that the lines could be lines of force ejecting out the top and bottom of the fields with such high energy they produce nearly straight lines of force... [...]

But.. they seem to be coming out of the whole thing, more like radiation, which leaves me a bit confused.

[noprophet]

from my experience with solenoid-torus configurations, a "G" wave could be created.. when we did the field capture it looks like there is something mirror like, but one part of the image is either elongated, the other being compressed.. My guess is that is what is inducing movement.. possibly as this is a 3D representation being shown in 2D, we may be seeing the other parts of the overall field structure - part for movement, part for craft shape neutralization, part for earth gravity well neutralization, part for the upper "earth-mirror" gravity well.. all images at the same time..

if that is the case, could each aspect be then separated to explore each geometry separately?


Forgive the video, it's the only one I have handy with this image. You can mute it and watch the first few seconds, the pulsating imaging of fields. Are these the two pulsating fields playing off one another what you are referring to?

KudIMMLlFEg

Anti-gravity comes form pulling these fields apart?

[Bob]

interesting video as far as the concept being discussed.. as far as the time wave alteration.. (i'll get into that in a moment)

I think for conceptual discussion's sake, get in a swimming pool and get neutrally buoyant, where the amount of water is equal on all sides.

reduce some weight or add some air, changing the buoyancy of you and the water, and ur gonna go up.. reduce buoyancy and ur gonna go down.

that's the concept.. the anti-grav comes from balancing and ADDing a top field which wasnt there before equal to the bottom attraction field

switch over the water for space-time - being equal until an object is present that has some mass..

earth mass big, ship mass small but never-the-less being forced to find the central part of the earth gravity well due to the out-of-balance earth gravity well causing the acceleration to the central point..

to stop falling, need to create similar to the earth well, but above the small mass ship..

turn on the upper gravity well on the ship, that flat-lines the effects of the bottom earth well on the bottom of the ship..

so there would be in part of the overall geometry, a part of the earth facing (bottom of the ship gravity well itself due to its mass, the stretch in the space time fabric), and a large part of the upper earth gravity well (kinda like a mirror).. I think I see all those in the graphic.. they are shown linearly instead of curved because the graphic is capturing the 3D image in 2D so a plane shows up..

== a phenomenon observed.. there is a time warp that happens when those two space time gravity wells are interacting against each other.. i assume in the zero point total balance, there is zero time... a time modulation would be possible with such structures, and in that modulation of the zero point, looking purely at the E-lectric vector, power could be extracted - it is extracted through time in other words.. could be resistance is virtually canceled too (a type of superconductivity would appear, but it would be a virtual effect cause of the time alteration, a pre-ceeding effect of a "particle" being there before it is there, could upset what we think is normal resistance).

This is some of why i mentioned in another forum post on nuclear energy, using this technique for free-energy creation, AG, and so forth.. is there any consequences..

[Nanoo Nanoo]

so the maximum gravity point is when Acceleration force meets equellibrium with Gravity force and equally oppose each other ?

[Bob]

the gravity well depths (potentials) are equal and opposite vectors (oppositions).. If the device is moving forward, it is neutralized with an opposite gravity well, the result is zero impact in this universe, or total zero point, zero inertia, and of course time-less-ness..

[Bob]

http://www.nicap.org/images/1952_19_de_julio_b_y_n2.jpg

The simple buoyancy drive is designed to get to Zero Point, timeless, inertia-less. Movement in one version is achieved by bending the holo-gravitic buoyancy pattern, like riding a wave while surfing. Another method leaves the full Zero Point in effect and uses on-board ion beam inertial reactive mass. Speed of offset of position is directly related to the speed of the ion particles. That could be called "impulse drive".

The other method for long haul displacement is "virtual coordinate shifting" from Point A to Point B without the need to travel through the space in-between the points. This is a true "quantum drive" method. There is no warp, no wave riding, no impulse consideration of particle speed limitation. Nor is this hyperspace, or multi-space travel. This method would be able to go fully intra-galactic provided one had the "proper coordinates" of the desired point B location (in time and space). This last method I was going to get into in the Varo Edition Thread I started, "Case for the UFO" to get a bit into how in the "Philadelphia Experiment" "thoughts can be come things". That thread was basically put on hold for various reasons.. but we can get further into the technology without getting into a combination of older data, mis-interpretation by the authors, and poetic licence by the original writer, Dr. Jessup.

[Kristin]

the gravity well depths (potentials) are equal and opposite vectors (oppositions).. If the device is moving forward, it is neutralized with an opposite gravity well, the result is zero impact in this universe, or total zero point, zero inertia, and of course time-less-ness..

Thus folding space is in no time, instant in the triangle. If one did not neutralize the movement, then it would appear in time and space instantly to the naked eye. It would then appear to fly normally like any other craft. Once the gravity well is in effect, presto, it disappears. If I understand you correctly.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[Bob]

the gravity well depths (potentials) are equal and opposite vectors (oppositions).. If the device is moving forward, it is neutralized with an opposite gravity well, the result is zero impact in this universe, or total zero point, zero inertia, and of course time-less-ness..

Thus folding space is in no time, instant in the triangle. If one did not neutralize the movement, then it would appear in time and space instantly to the naked eye. It would then appear to fly normally like any other craft. Once the gravity well is in effect, presto, it disappears. If I understand you correctly.

From the Heart,
Kristin

YUP - and no exotic isotopes needed..

[Kristin]

I've seen this pattern in my travels, as you can imagine. Thank you for the science behind the intuitive understanding. Nice to put the pieces together.

[Bob]

I think Kristin, the methods used to "find places", how to determine the coordinates of "where and when" to go allows for limit-less exploration..

I have a thought that to program in, love life joy compassion into the quantum drive and find out where one end's up would be fascinating..

[Kristin]

It's all about intention and having the ability to really control ones desires and be able to be disciplined. This is manifestation that you are talking about. Really fascinating. One could perhaps move this into objective manifestation of even food if used for good... beyond travel, we would be manifesting molecular constructs through intention. Then we must consider who is the dreamer of us?

[Bob]

Again bingo.. dots connected :)

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It's all about intention and having the ability to really control ones desires and be able to be disciplined. This is manifestation that you are talking about. Really fascinating. One could perhaps move this into objective manifestation of even food if used for good... beyond travel, we would be manifesting molecular constructs through intention. Then we must consider who is the dreamer of us?

Donk also connected this in the Titan thread and the Predator and Prey thread :) many dots connecting. -- "Joy flows from the Heart" :)

[Bob]

Time to talk about how the HGB drive system is tuned..

Modal Analysis is the method of determining the natural resonances of an object.

The goal of modal analysis in structural mechanics is to determine the natural mode shapes and frequencies of an object or structure during free vibration.

How this is done.

Transducers (pickups which can convert vibration into electrical signals) are placed at strategic locations on and within the structure to be analyzed.

At a key location or locations, excitation transducers (look at a piston engine, when the piston moves up and down, it causes a "vibration") are placed. The goal of the excitation system is to put a stimulus into the structure and see where node points, (key points where energy is concentrated or with held) happen.. While doing such excitation, actual resonances will appear with very distinct frequency content. The sum total of those frequencies create what is called an objective "structural waveform".

The use of the patterns..

For instance, lets say a new object like a person comes into the "structure". The mass resonance of the structure changes, the resonances of the new object needs to be taken into account. That new waveform signature then is part of the overall gravity well modulation system.

I basically used this method with my smaller couple inch sized models that I worked with in the early '90s. In my earliest systems I used multiple frequency generators and summed them at the drive transducer for the structure.. Very empirical in its adjustment those days, the correct method is to use a complex waveform generator to drive the transducer system...

Practical flight systems these days use multiple transducers and a couple designs use multiple monitoring pickup sensors..

The use of piezo material, and magneto-strictive material is the preferred drive system.. Operating in the higher megahertz range, these wavelengths approach the gamma ray wavelengths (EM) on the top end. They easily go through the wavelengths of the longer terra-hertz through very far infra-red wavelengths.

One of the things I used to teach during my early workshops was the understanding to think in terms of WAVELENGTH and not in frequency. Frequency is more of an abstract and depends on the speed of vibration and the modality (EM or PHONON) being used for the vibration. Wavelength specifically details DIMENSIONAL STRUCTURE.. Very important..

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

hey Bobd!

:)

Have you done any reading on Cherenkov radiation and its possible sources/applications?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Cherenkov.svg/250px-Cherenkov.svg.png

It is ever so interesting :D teehee

Cherenkov radiation, also known as Vavilov-Cherenkov radiation, (also spelled Čerenkov or Cerenkov) is electromagnetic radiation emitted when a charged particle (such as an electron) passes through a dielectric medium at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium. The charged particles ionize the molecules of that medium, which then turn back rapidly to their ground state, emitting radiation in the process. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear reactors is due to Cherenkov radiation. It is named after Russian scientist Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov, the 1958 Nobel Prize winner who was the first to detect it experimentally.[1] A theory of this effect was later developed within the framework of Einstein's special relativity theory by Igor Tamm and Ilya Frank, who also shared the Nobel Prize. Cherenkov radiation had been theoretically predicted by the English polymath Oliver Heaviside in papers published in 1888–1889.[2]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_velocity

The phase velocity of a wave is the rate at which the phase of the wave propagates in space. This is the velocity at which the phase of any one frequency component of the wave travels. For such a component, any given phase of the wave (for example, the crest) will appear to travel at the phase velocity.


https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/%C4%8Cerenkov_radiation.html


When a high-energy (TeV) gamma photon or cosmic ray interacts with the Earth's atmosphere, it may produce an electron-positron pair with enormous velocities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production



See, this thing here:
Pair production refers to the creation of an elementary particle and its antiparticle, usually when a photon (or another neutral boson) interacts with a nucleus or another boson.

could be the KEY to unlocking the black hole physics that let us travel freely through space ...

IF we can keep them suspended and not annihilate each other or split apart,
these particles together go REALLY damn fast...

like a portable event horizon lol

[Bob]

hey Bobd!

:)

Have you done any reading on Cherenkov radiation and its possible sources/applications?
[...]
could be the KEY to unlocking the black hole physics that let us travel freely through space ...

IF we can keep them suspended and not annihilate each other or split apart,
these particles together go REALLY damn fast...

like a portable event horizon lol

Great observation and question there..

That radiation tends to happen when high energy particles of short wavelength interact with di-electrics.. Water for instance surrounding water cooled reactors exhibits Cherenkov luminescence..

The point about the phase wave and "faster than light" apparent travel is interesting.. Nick Herbert is quoted in The Extra-Dimensional Universe - Where the Paranormal becomes Normal, by John R. Violette ( http://books.google.com/books?id=48UwmiO7eB4C&pg=PT57&lpg=PT57&dq=nick+herbert+faster+than+light+Cherenkov&source=bl&ots=fehEWOLTA5&sig=F9JWP5c4sqkBPD0k4xcP89dmkpU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Oi7oUtunDsb62gXUr4CoCQ&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=nick%20herbert%20faster%20than%20light%20Cherenkov&f=false )

gets into a bit of this too..

He was saying that the hypothetical Tachyon, since it always travels faster than light's phase velocity (presupposing that the particle is more of an omega particle, backward wave system), always would give off light, what he called an optical bloom..

I would assume that one could develop a FTL transducer and use the same modal analysis concepts to get the signature(s) needed in the dielectric to evoke such phase conditions..

(One of the points I have always made is to generate "free energy" one can induce sufficient backward time wave phenomenon to offset resistance losses)

I have experienced with technology, the BWT phenomenon. Our tester team started noting this effect as early as 1995. Again, with dielectrics and proper modulation.

[Bob]

Bob, the maths is way over my head here (my brain hurts now too !!),
but
if I understand you correctly, (some of) what you are saying is that the creation of devices which display gravity buoyancy
is well within our ability and understanding,

yet people perhaps aren't able to accept that it could be so simple
and are unwilling to take the sideways step in thinking necessary

to contemplate the inherent possibility of such devices.

Or have I missed the point ?!!

Hi MaripoSafe

Sorry I haven't gotten to your post to reply earlier.

I separated some of the sentences in the quote, to punctuate the concepts..

The concept is simple, obviously simple. The gravity created above, and to the sides has to equal the gravity created by the planet below. Neutral Gravity Buoyancy.

When that happens, at the "event horizon" for lack of better words, no-thing exists, a void, a neutrality.. At that point, Philadelphia-Project-like events are possible, both positively and negatively (good consequences and bad)..

One should look at what creates fields which create a gravity weak force effect. Spinning masses, or spherically vibrating fields in masses for instance induce that gravity-like concept. To shape and direct that gravity field upwards and to the sides is the key to this.

I talk about Modal Analysis, or the determination of the resonances of an object, how to monitor them and how to excite the object to contain vibrating fields. To make the vibrational fields SPIN takes a proper driving waveform. This is what I had experimented with in the early 90's in small models, complex field patterns in the structure, induced by a transducer, and a shaped physical material which contained the vibration.

AS to the thinking necessary to make the leap.. I think the programming out there to make it complicated has been the stumbling block. Gravity is a weak force, it isn't difficult to work with.. When the balance effect happens, there is that zero point effect, and that is very exciting what all that holds.. See the posts in this thread about where Kristin asks some questions, and makes some observations.

B.

[Bob]

the gravity well depths (potentials) are equal and opposite vectors (oppositions).. If the device is moving forward, it is neutralized with an opposite gravity well, the result is zero impact in this universe, or total zero point, zero inertia, and of course time-less-ness..

Thus folding space is in no time, instant in the triangle. If one did not neutralize the movement, then it would appear in time and space instantly to the naked eye. It would then appear to fly normally like any other craft. Once the gravity well is in effect, presto, it disappears. If I understand you correctly.

From the Heart,
Kristin

YUP - and no exotic isotopes needed..

Brief retro-update:
From an interview with Bill, Kerry and Gordon Novel - December 2006 from ProjectCamelot

"G: Well, to negate gravity, you've got to negate time and so time is the power of the... of the bird and that's where the power... We don't believe it comes from space or zero point. We believe it comes from time, purely and simply, and that energy and time are the same thing.

K: And isn't Bill Hamilton working with you at this time?

G: Oh, yeah.

K:Uhhuh.

G: He's one of my science team.

K: Because he's written a book on time travel, I know.

G: Yeah, yeah. It's quite accurate, I might add.

K: Oh, very good. That's nice to hear. And what about Ramsey Clark ? What's your relationship with Ramsey?

G: Ramsey and I have been friends since I was in my early 20s working at the White House in counter intelligence measures, electronic countermeasures for the Johnson administration.

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G: [..] We are into the universality of the circuit design that they use to negate gravity, inertia, and time.

K: OK. So you know something about time travel as well.

G: Yeah. A UFO is probably very much like the cars back in "Back to the Future," a flying time machine.

K: OK.

G: They're capable of going backwards and forwards in time.

K: And what's your vision for the world? Could you tell us in general terms?

G: Our vision is to get the energy out there so that we can eliminate oil, coal, and gas and nuclear fuels from polluting the atmosphere and causing the carbon dioxide that's creating the global warming. That and a concomitant reduction in the cost of living by about... eighty percent of the cost of living is attributed to paying for energy. So if you don't have to pay it out you get to keep it.

K: OK. But aren't you worried about the economy? You're actually trying to safeguard certain aspects of the economy in the process?

G: Yeah. There's the... we are interested in, ah, the Plutopian enhancement of the economy from about 44 trillion GDP currently to about a quadrillion a year in about ten years, and making everybody about 100 times more wealthy and spreading the wealth out and causing an equalization. And people don't have to work if they don't have to pay for energy.

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G: Well, I have a group of folks that I call the Knights Temporal, that are, ah... the most prominent aerospace engineers and physicists in the world today are all part of a team we call the RAM group . We call ourselves the Knights Temporal. We took a page out of the idea of the Templars who basically blackmailed the Pope to give them the fiefdoms over Europe.

They created the banking orders we have today. And so, but, that... Since we believe the technology is rooted in time, we call ourselves the Knights Temporal. The alien technology, the UFO , is basically a flying time machine. That's what we believe, and it's all be know about it. It indicates that.

K: OK. So you believe in time travel but you don't believe in wormholes. How is that possible?

G: Well, because I don't need to worm-travel if I can get across the universe fast enough. I mean, who wants a wormhole? I mean, a wormhole is an idea that nobody has been able to show me any physics whatsoever that can be happening. Maybe it can. I don't know, but it seems like it's going to take a lot of energy to keep that hole open.

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At this point, review post # 25 - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66925-Holo-gravitic-buoyancy-drive&p=783296&viewfull=1#post783296

[Denise/Dizi]

WOW. Very informative thread here! Wish I understood how to do it all. But I get the Jest of what is being said here. If people knew the math we wouldn't have to worry about others creating this tech we could do it ourselves. Perhaps in that case it is a good thing we don't all have that ability lol.