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spiritguide
30th December 2013, 19:47
Educational article for those interested.

Full article posted here ...

Why the Amish Don’t Get Sick: Things You Can Learn From ThemPosted on 15 December, 2013 by Anya Vien

When we think of Amish people we think of a simple life, free of modern advancements. Most of us view them as foolish for not using the advantages of convenient technology and even look down on them for not conforming to the norms of mainstream society. But if we look at the statistics, the Amish are much healthier than the rest of America. They virtually have no cancer, no autism, and rarely get sick. What are they doing different from the rest of America? Let’s look at some of the things they are doing different (here).


Why the Amish Don’t Get Sick
The Amish have chosen the traditional wisdom of our ancestors over our “modern” way of living. They live by the practices of past generations.

1. The Amish Don’t Get Vaccinated.
Did you know that Amish people rarely have any learning disabilities or autism. There have been only 3 cases of autism among the amish in which the kids got vaccinated (here). Instead of crediting their lack of autism to the absence of vaccines, mainstream society credits it to a superior gene that the Amish possess. In spite of constant pressure from the government, the Amish still refuse to vaccinate. You can read more about the dangers of vaccines – here.
Vaccine-nation: Poisoning the Population, One Shot at a Time
2. The Amish Eat Organic, Locally Grown Food.
The Amish not only avoid prepackaged and processed food, they actually grow all of their food using organic farming methods. They raise their own animals; their food is natural and gmo free (the dangers of gmo). It’s important to note that they eat seasonal food during the harvest months, and save the rest by canning and fermenting. Seasonal fruits and vegetables are nutritionally higher in value. They are filled with anti-oxidants that are of great benefit to our health. Anti-oxidants fight free radicals, which helps you stay healthy and young. Thus, the lack of ADHD, food allergies and asthma can be undeniably contributed to their diet.

Seeds of Deception: Exposing Industry and Government Lies About the Safety of the Genetically Engineered Foods You’re Eating
3. The Amish Eat Plenty of Healthy Fats.
The Amish have a very low obesity rate despite their high fat diet. Their eating habits by all means are not low fat. They eat plenty of butter, meat, eggs, raw dairy. Foods like butter and raw grass fed dairy contains a lot of fat soluble vitamins such as A, E and K2. It’s important to note that Vitamin K2 is very insufficient in modern diets. All that low fat nonsense has depleted our bodies from these essential nutrients. Vitamin K2 is particularly important as it is involved in calcium metabolism. Vitamin K insufficiency leads to many diseases such as cardiovascular disease, osteoporosis, and even cancer.

4. The Amish People are Physically Active.
Compared to the overall 31 % obesity rate in America, the Amish only have a 3 percent obesity rate. Since they don’t use cars, or any modern technologies, their level of physical activity is very high: men averaged 18,000 steps a day and women 14,000. They walk a lot and are truly involved in physical labor which reflects in their extremely low rate of cardiovascular diseases. Accodring to David R. Bassett, Ph.D., FACSM, a professor at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, “The Amish were able to show us just how far we’ve fallen in the last 150 years or so in terms of the amount of physical activity we typically perform. Their lifestyle indicates that physical activity played a critical role in keeping our ancestors fit and healthy.”

5. The Amish Live Stress Free Lives
Stress is probably the number one culprit to our health problems. When you are stressed, your cortisol levels get elevated which is extremely dangerous for your health in the long run. Health problems associated with stress include heart disease, adrenal fatigue, hormonal imbalances, high blood sugar levels, elevated cholesterol and obesity.

The Amish live in a stress free community. They live slow paced, patient lifestyles. They don’t compete with each other; they created a egalitarian community for themselves where their lifestyles are based on equality, cooperation and harmony. (here)

The Amish live the same way they lived 300 years ago and we can definitely can learn some lessons from them. They live toxic, free self sustainable lives. They are not plagued with various diseases and they are much healthier than the rest of America.

Link for further follow up...

http://www.lahealthyliving.com/1/post/2013/12/why-the-amish-dont-get-sick-things-you-can-learn-from-them.html

Peace!

Mulder
30th December 2013, 20:58
Also, I've not seen much family break-ups possibly because fathers are not away for weeks on end working in another city and women aren't watching delusional TV talk shows all day.

Here's some Amish arrested for refusing to put a reflector on their buggies:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/amish8.jpg

Spirithorse
30th December 2013, 21:05
Some time ago I watched a documentary about GM crops. It was about a guy who wanted to find out for himself the pros and cons of genetically modified food. He approached the subject in a very neutral fashion. (in some ways far too neutral for me, to be honest). He traveled through the States and other countries interviewing people and experts on the subject. He also went to the Amish.

What surprised me most, that although refusing almost everything the modern world stands for, they had no problem with growing GM crops. The Amish who was interviewed said they embrace it and it's widely grown by Amish farmers.

I couldn't get my head around that.
Maybe, they won't be so healthy in the future... unless they just grow it but don't eat it themselves... who knows.

sigma6
31st December 2013, 03:29
the taking of photos and fingerprints is a method of gaining contract and jurisdiction, just part of the massive gross deception. The idea of attacking people who live in peace and promote independence is disgusting. There is this big push on to attack God fearing people, while Satanism, witchcraft, vampires, murder and violence is on the rise and not a peep.

But try and grow your vegetables and milk your own cows on your own community clearly labeled as separate and private and you get this... disgusts me to no end. It's all part of their game. They are learning more sophisticated techniques for attacking people who are trying to exercise their rights to privacy... Notice where the "attack" is ... while they are travelling on a public road.

Although I am not against the idea of them putting those reflectors on, I went down to Canton and that day in the paper, one of the wagons was rear-ended by a car, and totally destroyed... But it's just the way they go about it. There was a time when you would hold a public council and discuss your concerns. But today it's about power, aggression, violating the other person's dignity and freedom, projecting power, all the while learning every trick and technique to undermine their standard of living to impose your own. Public commerce is a form of commercial warfare.

There is a race against time. Those that are trying to take those rights away, and eventually all the information and knowledge in the public on how that is done, and those that are fighting to try and figure it out before they do. I am getting the feeling more and more this has a lot to do with social class. Either you can afford to PAY for freedoms (pay the MAN) or you are wealthy enough to be EDUCATED to KNOW how to exercise them... These right are there, but I don't think the wealthy wanted them available for everyone. These lawyers in their pursuit of every last nickel and dime, now want us to pay them to not steal our freedom from us... Until society is based on a internet structure (decentralized) instead of a pyramid structure (corporation) This will always be the case.

Give me the Amish life anytime (still want my internet and some creature comforts though) They may have forgotten why they became Amish in the first place, it was about Government buggering them wasn't it? It's not about living a lower standard it's about the freedom to live according to the truth of your own conscience.

blufire
31st December 2013, 03:43
It is very clear to me that Anya Vien (author of article) has not spent any time among the Amish.

This article contains a plethora of misconceptions.

I witnessed the worst abuse of horses I have ever seen on an amish farm and not to mention what I saw the father do to his son when the boy refused to beat the horse any further. The mother stood in the door of the house crying and terrified. As I started walking to the house to comfort her she shook her head firmly and mouthed for me to leave and tell her neighbor a couple farms down to come help her and her son.

This type of abuse and violent aggression and ignorance is far too common among the amish

Ellisa
31st December 2013, 05:10
The Amish are human as are we. They therefore have their own frailties as well as virtues. Being human, their way of life is that which can be lived by any human. Most of us would not want to though. Theirs is a stern life, with many unbreakable rules.

It is not true to say that the Amish are extremely healthy in some preternatural way. They live simple lives and have lots of exercise coupled with a plain diet. Their average life expectancy as a group is 72. Here in Australia our life expectancy is is in the mid-80s (slightly more for just women!) And there are diseases in the Amish that are generated by their relatively small gene pool. They do have Autism, the amount is unknown, but because of the nature of their lifestyle they are able to deal with those who have the ability to work, although they have the condition. This used to happen in our society, but is not so easy now when every task requires quite high literacy and numeracy, as well as reasonable decision making skills. If your child is coping in his/her life he/she will not be recorded as having a problem.

Also, some Amish do vaccinate their children. They feel that this is a sensible decision for them and there is no prohibition in their society regarding the practice. It appears to have had little or no influence on their health other than prevent diseases from which it is possible to die, even in the 21st century.

Personally if I were an Amish parent I would prefer that I would be allowed to live in the way I have chosen without others using me to illustrate their own beliefs. It was in the hope of escaping interference in their way of life that they moved to America in the first place, I believe.

SHAPE
31st December 2013, 12:38
The Amish have imaginary friends and belief.

ALL BELIEF IS EVIL.

spiritguide
31st December 2013, 13:18
The Amish have imaginary friends and belief.

ALL BELIEF IS EVIL.

Can you elaborate on your statement. Is this a personal view point of yours? Do you have references to support your statement? Everyone has an opinion, so what makes yours one that should be considered?

Peace!

SHAPE
31st December 2013, 13:57
The Amish have imaginary friends and belief.

ALL BELIEF IS EVIL.

Can you elaborate on your statement. Is this a personal view point of yours? Do you have references to support your statement? Everyone has an opinion, so what makes yours one that should be considered?

Peace!


Belief was invented by the NOBILITY to enslave humanity. I DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING look around you. It really is not that hard.

donk
31st December 2013, 15:20
The Amish have imaginary friends and belief.

ALL BELIEF IS EVIL.

Can you elaborate on your statement. Is this a personal view point of yours? Do you have references to support your statement? Everyone has an opinion, so what makes yours one that should be considered?

Peace!


Belief was invented by the NOBILITY to enslave humanity. I DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING look around you. It really is not that hard.

Hmmm, that sounds like a belief to me.

I believe you are a real true person, not a bot, or even a troll. I have no real reason to believe that though, does that make me evil? Or is just believing you are real the evil thing?

("Real" here meaning not a bot or paid troll)

OT - generalizing the "Amish" is like generalizing "city dwellers", there's some commonalities in their lifestyles that may be helpful to point out but not too many and it's easy to nit pick

SHAPE
31st December 2013, 15:29
The Amish have imaginary friends and belief.

ALL BELIEF IS EVIL.

Can you elaborate on your statement. Is this a personal view point of yours? Do you have references to support your statement? Everyone has an opinion, so what makes yours one that should be considered?

Peace!


Belief was invented by the NOBILITY to enslave humanity. I DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING look around you. It really is not that hard.

Hmmm, that sounds like a belief to me.

I believe you are a real true person, not a bot, or even a troll. I have no real reason to believe that though, does that make me evil? Or is just believing you are real the evil thing?


See you speak of nonsense like PERSON and BELIEF both are the most evil things you will speak of. Yes it makes you evil cause you belive.

SHAPE
31st December 2013, 15:32
The Amish have imaginary friends and belief.

ALL BELIEF IS EVIL.

Can you elaborate on your statement. Is this a personal view point of yours? Do you have references to support your statement? Everyone has an opinion, so what makes yours one that should be considered?

Peace!


Belief was invented by the NOBILITY to enslave humanity. I DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING look around you. It really is not that hard.

Hmmm, that sounds like a belief to me.

I believe you are a real true person, not a bot, or even a troll. I have no real reason to believe that though, does that make me evil? Or is just believing you are real the evil thing?


See you speak of nonsense like PERSON and BELIEF both are the most evil things you will speak of. Yes it makes you evil cause you belive.

What you sould be asking is what is a PERSON ??????? NOT WHAT YOU THINK.

donk
31st December 2013, 15:33
So you believe I am evil?

donk
31st December 2013, 15:37
...and what I should be asking?

I believe I don't KNOW anything, which pretty much makes all my thoughts "beliefs", so I agree--based on your beliefs, I'm pretty evil.

I am not exactly sure what a person is, I believe I am one, a being capable of thought, which I try my hardest to reconcile with our shared reality. So tell me, what do you KNOW a person to be?

SHAPE
31st December 2013, 15:37
NO NO NO.

BELIEF IS EVIL.

YOU are just an avatar.A MONKEY.

SHAPE
31st December 2013, 15:42
...and what I should be asking?

I believe I don't KNOW anything, which pretty much makes all my thoughts "beliefs", so I agree--based on your beliefs, I'm pretty evil.

I am not exactly sure what a person is, I believe I am one, a being capable of thought, which I try my hardest to reconcile with our shared reality. So tell me, what do you KNOW a person to be?

So you still BELIEVE you are a PERSON ?? REMMEMBER the NOBILITYand their invention. A PERSON is not capable of thought.

SHAPE
31st December 2013, 15:46
A PERSON IS FICTION. not real. Get use to that first.

donk
31st December 2013, 15:58
Well maybe someday I can ascend to your spiritual level where the frame of reference in the reality I share with other beings is something other than these avatars we inhabit.

I find it odd you would comment on. Such a mundane thread, about specific types of the fiction we call "persons", but I think your ideas kinda tie in to what I wanted to contribute to thread: the closest thing to "evil" I believe exists in this mundane reality where "avatars" comment on Internet forums about their beliefs and share what they believe to be information and ideas and opinions...in this place, on this lowly plane of existence I inhabit, possessed by the evil of beliefs...I believe generalities tend toward ignorance, and ignorance tends toward our "relative evil", evil to me being anything done by a being consciously choosing to harm me.

Not all "Amish" are the same. Eating organically (the food you grow), exercising, and removing stress are all "good" for what I believe to be "persons".

I respect your beliefs, and apologize for being so evil. Sincerely, the fiction that believes he is Phil

PS - I believe the emotional attachment you have to your thought or your truth or idea or whatever you are comfortable calling it is REAL too. I don't think too many things are, but I believe in YOU, I believe in human emotion/thought. I even believe you are right, and this all just fiction.

SHAPE
31st December 2013, 16:03
Like many on this forum you confuse BELIEFE with THOUGHT.

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Now start thinking use it.

donk
31st December 2013, 16:05
I try not to. Maybe some day I will attain your true understanding of reality, I sure hope to. (Hope has to be the most evil of beliefs, right?).

I'm done jacking the thread, have a belief-free day!

SHAPE
31st December 2013, 16:12
Well maybe someday I can ascend to your spiritual level where the frame of reference in the reality I share with other beings is something other than these avatars we inhabit.

I find it odd you would comment on. Such a mundane thread, about specific types of the fiction we call "persons", but I think your ideas kinda tie in to what I wanted to contribute to thread: the closest thing to "evil" I believe exists in this mundane reality where "avatars" comment on Internet forums about their beliefs and share what they believe to be information and ideas and opinions...in this place, on this lowly plane of existence I inhabit, possessed by the evil of beliefs...I believe generalities tend toward ignorance, and ignorance tends toward our "relative evil", evil to me being anything done by a being consciously choosing to harm me.

Not all "Amish" are the same. Eating organically (the food you grow), exercising, and removing stress are all "good" for what I believe to be "persons".

I respect your beliefs, and apologize for being so evil. Sincerely, the fiction that believes he is Phil

PS - I believe the emotional attachment you have to your thought or your truth or idea or whatever you are comfortable calling it is REAL too. I don't think too many things are, but I believe in YOU, I believe in hman emotion/thought. I even believe you are right, and this all just fiction.
I commentr here beacuse it is important. GETS THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD ALL BELIEF IS EVIL. I HAVE NO BELEIF.

donk
31st December 2013, 16:24
Well I'm glad to have met a being incapable of evil.

I have a thought/belief that you are confusing the English word "belief" for "false belief and/or irrational thought". I also have the thought/belief that I could be wrong. I am not enlightened to know the difference as you understand it.

What I feel is important is the concept of evil. Just as you feel strongly all belief is "evil", I feel all "evil" is relative. My thought/belief is that anything consciously imposing their will on me against my own will/desire is "evil". Planting and spreading false beliefs (mind control) is among the most evil acts, and is prevelant in this existence, so I think/believe I understand where you are coming from.

But I believe speaking in generalities and platitudes and absolutes is one of biggest examples of it, and would suggest those not as enlightened may take your statement, whatever you call it, as contributing that which you rail against.

GreenGuy
31st December 2013, 16:58
Back to the Amish (not to interrupt a scintillating conversation), I think the OP made some good points and so did some of the additional comments. The traditional Amish lifestyle is a healthy one, but the Amish themselves are no more likely to be saints than anyone else. Work, community, patience, plenty of time outdoors, and growing one's own food comprise a lifestyle that has stood mankind well for many centuries. The industrial revolution brought many advances but also many evils. The lifestyle I advocate has much in common with the Amish. It isn't necessary to subscribe to their spiritual beliefs although I find those to be less objectionable than some, but I distrust religion in general. Those who need religion to give their lives a grounded frame have my blessing as long as they practice it sincerely and not only on Sundays - and those folks are a tiny minority.

I almost never drive. I don't have a horse and buggy, but I go nearly everywhere by bicycle. It's not a religious belief but simply a practical and healthy choice. I save a ton of money and it keeps me in good shape for an old man. I grow as much of my own food as I can, and the most high-tech item I have in my yard is an ancient gas mower for my tiny patch of lawn. When I was working I restored antiques, and I rarely used power tools. I found a lot of satisfaction in doing my work using the old methods and tools. I make my own soaps, cleaning and personal care products, and most of my own medicines.

We can't all live that way, but we can aspire to many of these attributes, and I believe we'd be better off for it. One of the best points in the OP is the one that relates to stress. We can't be stress-free entirely, but it's important to remember that there is eustress as well as distress. Distress is the type that kills, eustress is the type that drives us forward. Our response to stimuli is largely of our own choosing. The less stress we feel (distress), the healthier we will be, both physically and spiritually.

Agape
31st December 2013, 17:12
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Unfortunately, also the ratio of congenital diseases in such close-knit communities where family interbreeding and second generation incest is not uncommon is naturally very high . It's no news and fate of many isolated communities from the past .

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Also , being deprived of modern forms of higher education, no access to information and absence of healthcare is not necessary an advantage .

On the other hand ... I'd really unlove to see a 'faith bashing' of people who aren't present to introduce and defend themselves , especially at this time of the year .


Wishing them peaceful and merry Christmas


:angel:

noxon medem
31st December 2013, 19:33
A PERSON IS FICTION. not real. Get use to that first.

a PERSON in the SYSTEM ( mindgame ..).
( YOU are born into it .... )

OR, an eternal sovereign (internal) being .
No belief , just Doing from our understanding
of "things" , through experience. mostly ..

Any group of idealists will meet
resistance from their society .



Maybe:
Belief refer to Why
Life relates to How

It is easy to misundertand eachother
between places on a wider scale ,
and Cultural understandings and times
- and more ...

&
Happy new year, BTW.

:- )

nm

noxon medem
31st December 2013, 20:10
..
-

AND an IMAGE :
( at this time we Can all that see
and know the forming of an illusion )

SO, here is an image ( photo )
more or less related to thread :

24321

Mirror ?

( Keep it Simple ! )
from sheared in the "net"

The theme of The Amish is interesting
and there are many interpretations to
their lifestyle .
At some point their leaders said :
ENOUGH is Enough, and they parted with
the teknology and COMMON reign of the time ....
( Industrial "Revolution" )

Probably new groups will part from GENERAL SOCIETY
and Claim their own ground, and SO it CAN be ....

Groups not using Mobile telephones or THE Wholy
- INTERNETT ConneCtion .

..
-

Abhaya
31st December 2013, 20:36
Looks like we have an enlightened one on this thread. Quick everyone take note :p

Abhaya
31st December 2013, 20:39
It is very clear to me that Anya Vien (author of article) has not spent any time among the Amish.

This article contains a plethora of misconceptions.

I witnessed the worst abuse of horses I have ever seen on an amish farm and not to mention what I saw the father do to his son when the boy refused to beat the horse any further. The mother stood in the door of the house crying and terrified. As I started walking to the house to comfort her she shook her head firmly and mouthed for me to leave and tell her neighbor a couple farms down to come help her and her son.

This type of abuse and violent aggression and ignorance is far too common among the amish

Im sure there is abuse in the Amish community. But more so then standard America? I feel that maybe this post paints the entire Amish in a poor light.

Also op's point was mostly about physical health, as a result of their lifestyle

GreenGuy
31st December 2013, 23:13
A PERSON IS FICTION. not real. Get use to that first.

Maybe what we have here is some confusion about definitions - perhaps based on the Strawman Theory (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Strawman_theory) which, though compelling to some, will never stand up in a courtroom. Each of us represents an individual node of consciousness, which is what I refer to when I use the word person, and I think that is more or less what most people recognize as a person.

The most satisfying definition for me is that used by the Wingmakers (http://www.wingmakers.us/), namely that a person is a sovereign integral. Sovereign in the sense of having free will and a set of rights, plus integral in the sense that unless one is part of something beyond oneself, existence has no meaning.

Kano
31st December 2013, 23:59
ALL BELIEF IS EVIL.

Pardon me but isn't that your belief? It seems to me that you have worked yourself into quite the conundrum in that everything you state is actually a belief and not truly any sort of wisdom or fact. You seem to be preaching (just seems that way) what your truth is but at the end of the day all we have is opinions on such matters and as such they are just beliefs.

You picking up what I'm putting down?

Sunny-side-up
1st January 2014, 01:40
Also, I've not seen much family break-ups possibly because fathers are not away for weeks on end working in another city and women aren't watching delusional TV talk shows all day.

Here's some Amish arrested for refusing to put a reflector on their buggies:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/assets/amish8.jpg

Isn't that a young 'Randy Quaid'? bottom row, second from right

DNA
1st January 2014, 02:11
The Amish have imaginary friends and belief.

ALL BELIEF IS EVIL.

Yea,,,,I stated this earlier
I agree, nice avatar by the way.

But upon reading the rest of the thread the simple truth of this statement was nullified by further posts from the author.

I would like to further edit this post by stating to SHAPE a quote from Plato.

plato
be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle

toad
3rd January 2014, 03:37
The Amish dont get sick?! Also Amish indulge in and enjoy GMO corn and other varieties.