ETs Want To Help Mankind (Paul Hellyer, Russia Today) [Archive]

Billy

1st January 2014, 15:40

I am not able to watch videos at this moment, but i like what he says.

Paul Hellyer: Because I know that they are. As a matter of fact, they’ve been visiting our planet for thousands of years and one of the cases that would interest you most if you give me two or three minutes to answer is that during the Cold War, 1961, there were about 50 UFOs in formation flying south from Russia across Europe, and Supreme Allied Command was very concerned and about ready to press the “Panic” button when they turned around and went back over the North Pole. They decided to do an investigation and they investigated for 3 years and they decided that, with absolute certainty, four species - at least – had been visiting this planet for thousands of years. We have a long history of UFOs and of course there has been a lot more activity in the last few decades, since we invented the atomic bomb and they are very concerned about that and the fact that we might use it again, and because the Cosmos is a unity and it affects not just us but other people in the Cosmos, they are very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using atomic weapons again, and this would be very bad for us and for them as well.

peace

MariaDine

1st January 2014, 16:38

He speaks the truth...there are so many diferent ET races.
Salvation ?!...we don't need salvation if we are responsible for ourselves. It's time to grow up and stop depending on others to do our own «work» !

ghostrider

1st January 2014, 16:47

What we do here with atoms , affects others on other worlds , ionizing radiation last a very long time ... nuclear power is our enemy , birth defects, tumors , general sickness , damage to the plant life , the sea life , our air , our entire world and our alien neighbors are very worried about our insanity ...

Sloppyjoe

1st January 2014, 16:53

Finally some truth on a somewhat mainstream level. Most ETs have been working with humanity since its origins and want to see us all evolve so that we can join them in space.

Flash

1st January 2014, 17:20

The 50 UFO going from Russia to Europe who were almost fired on is the same story as Bob Dean's story when he was a military stationed in France in 1960-61

Bob

1st January 2014, 18:49

take a look at the wiki page on him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer

his own website at the moment appears to be being hacked, or dOs'd

it appears he has been in the UFO field since '67:

--On 3 June 1967, Hellyer flew in by helicopter to officially inaugurate an unidentified flying object landing pad in St. Paul, Alberta. The town had built it as its Canadian Centennial celebration project, and as a symbol of keeping space free from human warfare.

--In early September 2005, Hellyer made headlines by publicly announcing that he believed in the existence of UFOs. On 25 September 2005, he was an invited speaker at an exopolitics conference in Toronto, where he told the audience that he had seen a UFO one night with his late wife and some friends.

--In 2010, Hellyer accused Stephen Hawking of spreading misinformation about threats from aliens.

--Paul Hellyer spoke at the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure (the non-governmental hearings chaired by six former U.S. congressmen and aimed at, according to the event's website, doing "what the U.S. Congress had failed to do for forty-five years"), which was held on 29 April – 3 May 2013 in Washington, DC, and testified that "aliens are living among us and that it is likely at least two of them are working with the U.S. government".

There's more, if one can get on his website, let us know what you find.

B.

http://podcastufo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Paul+Hellyer2.jpg

Ed Note: the cache page is available for his website:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:X-r2NkGxkcMJ:www.paulhellyerweb.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

karelia

1st January 2014, 18:58

Bob

1st January 2014, 19:14

I dunno. Every time I see this guy, I can't help but wonder whether he is the one executing what's being orchestrated behind the scenes. "Get used to the thought of aliens so we can make you believe that an alien invasion is going to take place." I do not trust him one bit.
Hi Karelia -

I found this on Huffington today, a tie apparently is being said between Simon and he..

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/18/simon-parkes-aliens-paul-hellyer-video_n_3461594.html

"Simon Parkes, a city councillor from the U.K., has joined former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer in claiming aliens exist and visit Earth.

"But Parkes, who sits on the Whitby town council, makes Hellyer seem positively believable."

Please do read the Huffington Post article and see if this is the same stuff being said in the Simon thread in the Forum.

Bob

Billy

1st January 2014, 19:16

Rocky_Shorz

1st January 2014, 19:17

one of the top authors of ET visitations and realities, is one himself, the swami I met, was abducted in college, and incubated a shape-shifting being.

you can't see any difference from everyone around them, but I looked into her psychically and watched the horn growing out of his head

she disappeared for 3 days, then passed what seemed like an afterbirth, she never shared this with anyone...

she was the mom of a shapeshifting ET...

she looked over and saw the saucers surrounding her, his horn shrunk back to a normal head...

she woke up 3 days later on her bed, forgetting everything after her date...

Limor Wolf

1st January 2014, 19:29

Thanks for the video, Apokalypse. A good disclosure performance from Paul Hellyer, the title is a bit disturbing with what seems to be slightly biased and not an objective enough determination in my opinion, nevertheless may be essential to the uninformed earth citizen. Reality is a little more complex than that but it's a good starting point :)

In response to the general question how many races there are, Paul Hellier is stating the number 80. That can not possibly be true.. If the question refers to the grand universe..there must be more than 80, if it refers to the species who are in communications with the governments, then it bounds to be less. It was probably asked in regards to the number of known species so far, even though it was not asked like this.

When one comes to consider all the bountiful evidence of regular ET abductions and testimonies of interventions on citizens life it feels like the former Canadian minister of defence is giving a slight over positive estimation of the overall agenda (there possibly isn't only one but several, hence the complexity).

It is true that not everything can be said to the public right away, far from this, so the message of calm with the addition of the comment that there are different agendas out there is probably the perfect opening message to deliver for a long while to come but will need to be updated as time goes by.

It feels as if this fine performance by Hellier marks the beginning of real and inevitable exposure to the general public and we are going to see a lot of pre-implemented human emissaries in the near future, a lot of marketing and quite a few exopolitics conversations in a long and well planned process, nothing in it was left to the hands of randomness, no chances are taken.

A note: Interesting timing of exposure to the public just before the economic crash and the shadow government depositing itself for an unknown duration of time in it's hiding places

mojo

1st January 2014, 19:38

Bill Ryan

1st January 2014, 19:42

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My own audio interview with him, from July 2010 (57 minutes, 41 Mb):

http://projectavalon.net/Paul_Hellyer_Bill_Ryan_20_July_2010.mp3

Bob

1st January 2014, 19:43

karelia

1st January 2014, 19:45

I found this on Huffington today, a tie apparently is being said between Simon and he..

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/18/simon-parkes-aliens-paul-hellyer-video_n_3461594.html

"Simon Parkes, a city councillor from the U.K., has joined former Canadian defence minister Paul Hellyer in claiming aliens exist and visit Earth.

"But Parkes, who sits on the Whitby town council, makes Hellyer seem positively believable."

Please do read the Huffington Post article and see if this is the same stuff being said in the Simon thread in the Forum.

Bob

That Huff Post article is pure sensationalism (and 5 minutes I'll never get back). The "tie" is that Simon spoke publicly shortly after Hellyer did, or so the article says (I didn't check the dates); I don't see that as a tie at all. It looks to me more like the article suggests that people should believe Paul Hellyer rather than believing Simon's accounts.

Do aliens exist? Well, does the sun rise in the east every morning? Are there aliens benevolent towards humanity? Yes, no doubt! Why else did so many of us incarnate in meat suits? Do you think it's fun? Yeah, it can be, but only because it's in our very nature to live in joy so we naturally find joy where no others could find it. Are there malevolent aliens? Yup, aliens, interdimensionals, extradimensionals, you name it.

The "stuff being said" in the Simon thread isn't quite the same as what the Huffington Post says. In fact, as usual, the article grabs bits and pieces, taken entirely out of context to paint a certain picture. Simon's thread, on the other hand, is one of the most important and informative threads on this forum and works towards raising the collective consciousness. I highly recommend reading it.

Limor Wolf

1st January 2014, 20:23

Interesting timing of exposure to the public just before the economic crash and the shadow government depositing itself for an unknown duration of time in it's hiding places

Interesting thought based on your comment above. Perhaps if tptb utilized technology that was provided with their contact with self serving ETs, benevolent ones would be able step in to counter the technology that was not developed by us? Or maybe they want us to help ourselves & stop fighting each other and work together to solve the problems that we created. We shouldn't look to them as saviours if its within our ability to solve it.

Hi mojo, commenting back on your thoughts, I'll say that 'they' is a wide term.. which ones exactly..? and how much do we know (by 'we', I mean people in the position of Paul Hellyer and similiar)?

It's fare to assume that more is known than is shown :)

We as ordinary awake and aware citizens have the notion that most if not all is revolved around us, as in human beings who need help at current time on this planet and as people. It's a noble thing to assume that there are very good beings out there that are working tremendously for our own good and there surely are, but it is also important to consider that with the majority there is a series of complex of circumstances of why other species may find interest in this planet and the reasons can be many and varied in nature. Our ant like perspective and limited capabilities with anything to do with galactic matters starting from technology through telepathy(interactions via the mind) to stellar transportation, advanced physics and science will not allow us to reach any autentic assumptions any time soon and we also may want to take a good look at ourselves before deciding with whom and how we would like to bond, and yes, we can afford this, we actually must if the future of this planet is of any importance to us and if true (and newly gained) freedom is on top list of our priorities. We better set some explicit terms when recieving any (needed, wanted, desired, necessary) help from any outside factor. We must gain some required knowledge (not in any romanticised way but also not in a too wary way as to refuse any shared cooperation) and get ourselves adjusted before forming any life long alliances with our neighbors, ones that we may not be able to be released from later on, shall we want to. Those who want our best will understand.

Jean-Luc

1st January 2014, 21:03

With the help of Bill, I had a chance to have an interview with Paul Hellyer on Oct. 15, 2010, which I was then privileged to present at an International UFO Conference in France, the following day.

Here is the interview (in French)

http://www.vigli.org/Avalon/De_la_realite_du_phenomene%20_OVNI_Paul_Hellyer_15-10-2010.pdf

Milneman

1st January 2014, 21:11

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see, and you'll be ok.

Limor Wolf

1st January 2014, 21:27

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A note: Interesting timing of exposure to the public just before the economic crash and the shadow government depositing itself for an unknown duration of time in it's hiding places

Please take a look at his cached home page - there is a lot of information on "economics", and the Huffington Post .CA presents their perspective.. (is their data accurate? there are a lot of links found across the web if one does a keyword search)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:X-r2NkGxkcMJ:www.paulhellyerweb.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us - cached page

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/18/simon-parkes-aliens-paul-hellyer-video_n_3461594.html - the huffington post Canada page

"At 89, former Canadian Cabinet Minister Paul Hellyer is still as active as ever, and deeply engaged in a wide variety of world issues, the most urgent of which is the world monetary and financial system.

"This website was created to inform and educate visitors on the Honourable Paul T. Hellyer's writings and events."

That's the title to his webpage (from cache)..

Does it seem like the push to point out "economics issues" and UFO's is tied together with this fellow? (per Hellyer's webpage posts).

Trying to come up to speed here with why RT felt now is a good time to bring Hellyer up.

Hi Bobd,

I took a brief look at the links you attached. I agree with Karelia that the Huffington post's article is not very impressive and actually doesn't say anything important with regards to the discussion we are forming here.

About Paul Hellyer being interested and involved in the aspect of global finances, that seems only natural for someone who is a former senior government official, Finances is one of the most important matters that will need to be handled in a transitional society and it ain't going to be easy. I am not familiar with what he is 'pushing', can you please ellaborate a little on his views when it comes to the economy?

The point is disclosure needs to start from somewhere and these people are doing an incredible job and we can only hope (cross our fingers) credible. Every person and personality who has something valid to say nowdays in regards to the transition of our world, the ET's reality and how our planet is supposed to develop has 'an agenda', this, I believe is not the problem, the problem is with the 'hidden' part of the word. If Paul Hellyer who seems to be very honest says openly and directly where he thinks this should go, then that is sufficient at this time.

The interplanetary/ Et's discussion must exist, but it has to be fare and square, all cards needs to be on the table, open for honest discussion. this type of transparency has rarely ever been happening in the history of politics on this planet if at all, but it's about time. As Simon said on his thread, there is going to be a short vaccume time where the current controlling elite will be neutralized for one reason or another. In this short period of time, other extraterrestrials species will try to put their foot at the door. Simon has expressed his will to represent one/two of these species since 'humanity can not be left alone'. That may be a valid opinion, but an open discussion needs to take place in more then one symposium locations so the concept of free will indeed will be available to the people of the planet. Anything other than that will only replay again the 'master and servants' scenario.

Bob

1st January 2014, 21:36

Thanks Limor - my accidental find of Hellyar being tied to Simon was due to google coming up with many links, and reading Huffington Post (who I thought we had been told was reputable, my bad if they are NOT reputable), lead me to that page which had some of Simon's claims and Hellyar's...

On going to Hellyar's (at least trying to) apparently the server is not responding properly - no idea why, so I did a cache search to see what was last reviewed by Google.. I suppose WayBack Machine would provide previous caches too...

My question comes to as you said : "A note: Interesting timing of exposure to the public just before the economic crash and the shadow government depositing itself for an unknown duration of time in it's hiding places" and I wondered if you had reviewed what Hellyar was saying, if you could find a tie between your beliefs and Hellyar's.

Frankly, I can't get to his other explanations on his cached page, as it sends me to that server problem issue with his website.. And that is why I asked if ANYONE was able to actually get some data on what his ECONOMIC policies is. I want to know why Economics currently is Hellyar's main interests (according to his webpage cache), and why he is a UFO authority, and why we should draw conclusions.. And lastly why did RT feel now is the time to bring up Hellyar who has been interviewed many times before (see Bill's audio interview of him)..

Those are the dots I can't connect and am asking for assistance in connecting all this.. Why this guy and why now, and what in his economic polices have to be brought forth now (and somehow tied into UFO's) - It just doesn't make sense to me.. that's all. :)

Flash

1st January 2014, 21:50

Economics and arm wrestlingbetween countries are telling you about power struggles and most probably about who is involved and where at all levels, humans and ETs.

You have to look at the whole picture to see what is happenning. May be we are presently at the stand still point and the vacuum time will follow at which we have, us humans, to take the right décisions. And God knows we are not equipped for it, no one's fault.

If I were Hullyer, I would look at everything. The triggers most probably being economic.

May be the power struggle is on the Et levels as well. If so, all I know is that we have to go elsewhere than we those ET on earth actually, they seem to stimulate our lust or war and lust.

My keyboard is doing free games, i have problems to type.

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what Simon wrote or said at some point was that:

There were different beings controlling the planet, from different places. Russia actually has a different group (I think but not sure non reptilan but not the Mantids) than Europe and USA while China was split between the same USA grouping and another one, both reptilans. USA being reptilian Dracos. All that counts are those countries powers because they can change the game. None of these are completely benevolent, but some are less malevolent than others towards humans.

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the name of wars: all will say they want to help us.

I do think that if we as human decide to get rid of our psychopaths, we could do quite well without any ET, but how to get a hypnotised unconscious crowd to agree on a path to take. As a group, we are mentally ill equipped.

onawah

1st January 2014, 23:25

If Hellyer was involved in investigating a crashed UFO in the 60s, then what he said about becoming aware of ET presence on Earth only in his later years isn't true.
He was one of the speakers at the big Paradigm Research disclosure conference in D.C., and one thing that really struck me was that he referred to 911 as though the official reports about it were true.
That definitely raised a big red flag for me, as well as the fact that he never mentions that ETs have been interfering in our human societies for a very long time, and that the Illuminati are still their minions.
I can only conclude his agenda is very much to influence and manipulate public opinion in a very specific way, and what we really need to know about him, imho, is who his handlers are.

cursichella1

2nd January 2014, 03:49

My question comes to as you said: "A note: Interesting timing of exposure to the public just before the economic crash and the shadow government depositing itself for an unknown duration of time in it's hiding places" and I wondered if you had reviewed what Hellyar was saying, if you could find a tie between your beliefs and Hellyar's.

Frankly, I can't get to his other explanations on his cached page, as it sends me to that server problem issue with his website.. And that is why I asked if ANYONE was able to actually get some data on what his ECONOMIC policies is. I want to know why Economics currently is Hellyar's main interests (according to his webpage cache), and why he is a UFO authority, and why we should draw conclusions.. And lastly why did RT feel now is the time to bring up Hellyar who has been interviewed many times before (see Bill's audio interview of him)..

Those are the dots I can't connect and am asking for assistance in connecting all this.. Why this guy and why now, and what in his economic polices have to be brought forth now (and somehow tied into UFO's) - It just doesn't make sense to me.. that's all. :)

Hellyer is on the same page as most of us here, I think, though in this article he doesn't point any fingers...

I'm not running into problems on his website, so let me know if there are other specifics I can retrieve for you. Here's a small portion of his document "Global Hope - A Plan To End The Worldwide Financial Crisis" covers a lot of ground, though no mention of disclosure or outside entities. Uploaded .pdf of the entire doc follows this outtake:

GLOBAL HOPE
A PLAN TO END THE WORLDWIDE FINANCIAL CRISIS

Money is not a guarantee of happiness! But it can help solve many problems that affect our quality of life. These include the provision of job opportunities, adequate health care, public education at a cost that ordinary people can afford, the safety and efficiency of our public infrastructure, our ability to live in reasonable comfort when we retire, and the elimination of poverty in the midst of plenty. So if money is necessary to accomplish all of these things it is absolutely essential to understand what it is and where it comes from.

What Is Money?

Many different things have served as money from time-to-time throughout history, the most common being gold, silver, copper and iron coins. These were predominant until the volume of world commerce outpaced their usefulness as a convenient means of payment. They had to be supplemented by paper money which was much more convenient and easy to handle. Paper then gave way to electronic money – a mere computer entry, that, like paper, has no intrinsic value. What they all have in common is that they were accepted as claims on available goods and services and for the discharge of debts.

Balancing Budgets

Our views on balanced budgets are deeply influenced by our personal experience. If we are spending more than we earn we have two choices. We can spend less, or we can get a second or third job, if possible, to balance our budgets. Borrowing to meet the shortfall can be a temporary expedient but it is not a solution because the debt load will soon catch up with us and make our situation even worse.

Cities and provinces face similar problems. When they have deficits they can reduce services or raise taxes. Often they avoid this painful choice by borrowing. This is a way to postpone the pain until the debt load is so high, and the interest costs so high, that disaster strikes.

Conditioned as we are by these examples, it is not surprising that we believe that federal governments are similarly restricted. But that is not the case. Their situation is unique. They have the power to create money to balance their budgets and, by extension, to come to the relief of provinces, cities and individual taxpayers. They have the power to solve myriad problems, but they don’t exercise that power for the common good. That is the trillion-dollar tragedy!...

The entire doc in .pdf here below:

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His web page also links to this article, written by Michael Hudson, "Greece Today, US Tomorrow. The People v. the Bankers": http://counterpunch.org/2010/05/11/the-people-v-the-bankers/print

I've included his interview with Paola Harris (May 2010), which I haven't seen yet but am guessing will be interesting and relevant. I'll summarize once I've watched it (After dinner!):

Part 1:

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Bob

2nd January 2014, 05:02

appreciate it very much :) , this morning the website wasn't accessible..

Fellow Aspirant

2nd January 2014, 06:15

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If we down at least one UFO we'll be facing an interstellar war - Former Defense Minister of Canada: http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/%D1%81anada-minister-defense-ufo-959/

This is a good find and an important one. It deserves broad distribution.

I was, however, unable to find any place in the interview where he says what you have quoted him as saying. i.e. that downing a UFO would mean we would be facing an interstellar war [quoted above]

Where did this statement come from? :confused:

Brian

Milneman

2nd January 2014, 07:04

More interesting Brian: is he implying we can, and perhaps already have?

Becky

2nd January 2014, 08:23

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My own audio interview with him, from July 2010 (57 minutes, 41 Mb):

http://projectavalon.net/Paul_Hellyer_Bill_Ryan_20_July_2010.mp3

Has anyone read Paul Hellyer's book called 'Light at the end of the Tunnel'? his 13th book...
I'd love to know if this is about the light being a trap....or if this is not about life after death, but about how to turn the world around so it's a beautiful place for everyone...
Thanks
Becky

Jean-Luc

2nd January 2014, 10:47

What a pity the interviewer Sophie didn't ask Paul Hellyer about Dimitry Medvedev unexpectedly revealing on TV secret presence of ET bases in Russia just over a year ago !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I7P5BXhpQw&feature=c4-overview&list=UUuztXZJ166FddbHceFMO40A

tonton

2nd January 2014, 15:17

I have always felt that the longer we hurt each other and speak with different causes we will never get the open contact. What is the use of communication with so many different views. All want to gain only to be in frount of the other . No one speaks for all as the all do not want a voice that can speak for all.
We do not ever do the best for the planet, and that does not exclude any country.we are so separated that no meeting nor open discussion would be appropriate.
If they landed in Iran and tried to convey an open contact the americans would be in a position where they would have to protest and not participate.The same in the reverse , this scenario would repeat if not them another and another .We are not united on any subject,we do not respect each others differences , how would any other race be able to trust us when we insist in not trusting ourselves /each other.We are pitiful in this, we do not deserve intergalactic openness. Hence open contact will not happen.

I am a firm believer that the general public can handle it, our leaders maybe not, tptb, also maybe not.
We must demonstrate an absolute caring for our planet and make all the sacrifices to our life styles to en-shore it .
We must have a common knowledge of our commitment to each other as brothers and sisters as if it were common law. irrespective of boundary or flag.

Maybe then we may see galactic friends openly and willingly happy to land and teach us our true history and the truth about ourselves.

imo.

Bob

2nd January 2014, 19:43

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I was, however, unable to find any place in the interview where he says what you have quoted him as saying. i.e. that downing a UFO would mean we would be facing an interstellar war [quoted above]

Where did this statement come from? :confused:

Brian

Hi Brian - I looked and found this:

"On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada’s Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."

"Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something."

"Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide."

"Hellyer revealed, "The secrecy involved in all matters pertaining to the Roswell incident was unparalled. The classification was, from the outset, above top secret, so the vast majority of U.S. officials and politicians, let alone a mere allied minister of defence, were never in-the-loop."

"Former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer - Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide."

"Hellyer’s speech ended with a standing ovation. He said, "The time has come to lift the veil of secrecy, and let the truth emerge, so there can be a real and informed debate, about one of the most important problems facing our planet today."

that was published in http://ufodigest.com/parliament.html

Agape

2nd January 2014, 20:02

The part about interstellar war should have never been mentioned . It's pure nonsense and only serves furthering the disinformation campaign and misguiding agendas .

The reason why this was mentioned at all was the moderator asking him about Star Wars scenario and of course,
as many others , even here .. are too accustomed to live in world ravaged by wars,
kept 'in check' by weapons .

The only true information he has about it is that we are NOT in danger from Space and protected by benevolent , highly evolved ( morally as technologically ) entities who would do all to avert harm from an aggressive race should any such approach us .

This is being carried on purely diplomatic grounds , without the necessity of humans to intervene or adopt any agreements since due to the current level of evolution of earth, any such 'agreements' would be gullible and vulnerable .

The point that should be stressed .. is taking down a visiting craft without such a craft expressing intents of hostility is a breach of anything close to stellar ethics and is barbarian and aggressive behaviour,

so surely, should mankind be judged on those grounds and according to the number of missiles pointing to space ,

they'd be better left alone .. and every attempt of theirs to leave the premises of their planet should be sabotaged .

If you can't really get over this point , all these attempts ..for full disclosure .. are deemed to be buried .

:grouphug:

Milneman

2nd January 2014, 21:10

Ok kids.

There is a logical reason why the possibility of disclosure is very unlikely in our lifetime. And this come from the horse's mouth. So to speak. Ok that got a frown. I digress. :p

I've shared this analogy a couple of times now with some people I've been talking with one-on-one and it makes sense to me.

Imagine this planet is an outdoor public swimming pool. The kind of paddling pool many of us in the US and Canada are familiar with...it's a couple of feet deep, sometimes there are spray hoses, pool noodles, it's a toddler-friendly environment. Imagine this pool is 100 feet long by a hundred feet wide by two feet deep. So, it's not too deep for most four year old children. Now picture yourself standing in one end of the pool, and on the other end of the pool is a child who is in distress because...he doesn't know that if he just stands up he won't have to drown! You wave at him, you even walk over to him, and help to get his feet on the ground. He clutches a little bit at you in fear, but once you calm him down he realizes all he has to do is stand up. And once he's on his feet? Wow, things change for the kid! He starts feeling a little bit confident, he starts interacting with the pool differently, he starts having fun and starts using the pool for what it was intended!

Now picture you're an adult at one end of this pool. And there are seven hundred thousand children at the other end of the pool in the same kind of distress, and they see you.

Say Goodnight, Gracie.

Contact is not going to happen on a mass scale. It won't. Not, as Agape has hinted here and in other posts, and as others have as well, until we get on our feet. For the next few hundred, maybe thousands, of years, we're going to be helped one by one to stand on our feet. And when we get our footing, we then have a responsibility to help another one stand in the pool, not 10 or 100. It moves exponentially like this.

Where it gets interesting for me is when the life guards start showing themselves more and more. This isn't necessarily a good thing.

Guys, the bottom line is this: if another species steps in to "help the planet" it won't be good for those of us who are left behind to help take care of it. Have you ever, as a child, attempted a task only to have an impatient parent in frustration push you away to finish it themselves? Picture that on an intergalactic scale. The debate I suspect is how to push us away from the sink while we're trying to do the dishes. You see, we're washing, we're rinsing, and we're throwing the plates on the floor. Some of them aren't breaking, but a lot of them are. And we're running out of plates.

There are lifeguards that are trying to help us by helping us to stand up in the pool. There are also lifeguards that are trying to help us stand by dragging us under the water to see the bottom...and most of the time they let us go, but only because they know if they don't they risk drowning too.

Ugh, this is a complicated metaphor.

Bottom line? We have to grow up. We have the potential to grow up, and I like a term that I saw feltip use in the peak oil thread..."the selfishness gene".

I think Mr. Hellier has a piece of the puzzle. I think, as a smart Canadian, he's using this piece wisely. He's sharing his information, he's making a little money, and he's engaged with the public. He likes being engaged with the public, and who can blame him? It's an enjoyable thing for a lot of people.

But it's just one piece we have to fit in with all the rest of them.

If there's a fault, check your premises. I love that line. :)

Bob

2nd January 2014, 21:14

Mike Gorman

2nd January 2014, 22:41

I must say that i believe that the ET's are also waiting for humanity to help them.

That there is a universal blockage that is preventing many universal civilizations moving forwards and humanity is the key to unlocking this blockage.

my thoughts.

peace

Hi Billyji,
that is an interesting thought, it somehow resonates-to use a current expression. I wonder what form this blockage takes, and why are we crucial
to removing it? Do you think our progress is somehow lagging, we are being 'Tardy' in accepting our next significant progression, and that this
reluctance on our part, as a whole, is preventing the rest of creation to advance? I'd be interested in your thoughts.
Best,

Cidersomerset

2nd January 2014, 23:49

Thanks apocalypse , I don't know how I missed this, as I look on RT most days,
Paul Hellyer has been disclosing for years. Proves even high profile disclosure
witnesses are ignored by mainstream news.

The Tall Whites have been in direct contact with the US Airforce since the 1950/60's
but the likes of Grey's , Lamerians, pleiadians and other ET species have been here
for thousands of years and some like the Booteans who altered our jaws and
thumbs aprox 30, 000 years ago have altered our evolution and have been
meddling ever since.

Is there any truth to my last paragraph ? I think so and many here believe
parts. With all the new planets being discovered I'd be amazed if they do not exist.

I disagree that they do not interfere, and some are embedded in high places
behind the scenes. Of course I cannot prove it , but like any jury this is the
conclusion I have come to with all the evidence and probability presented on
forums like this.......

Young Sophie is still on the rim of the rabbit hole, and has not got a
clue, but at least she presented it seriously and politely ...No ridicule.

Cidersomerset

3rd January 2014, 00:14

Looks like I answered a similar question before..LOL
I don't know if links still work..I was looking for the
Tall whites thread, but found this one that has the link...

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Very interresting question lone Bean one we all have thought about at one time or another and all the poss answers given are plausible.
Are the Greys interdimentional ? Or based on the Moon , under the sea ? or in a hollow earth ? Are they real ET's or some biological android/hybrids ?
There are arguments for all these and more.

The Tall whites fascinate me if they exist. they have been here for thousands of years according to Charles Hall....Who goes into great detail. Fact or Fantasy ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50137-XCon-2005-Charles-Hall-The-Tall-Whites-ET-Experiences-in-the-Nevada-Desert

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Everyone knows about Billy Meier , are the Plejarens real or a figment of the imagination of a Swiss adventurer/farmer ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43426-Billy-Meier-and-Ptaah--ET--talking-about-2012....Contact-476-3-2-2009

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Then there are the Booteans who according to illuminatti sources created us ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38141-What-the-Illuminati-Know-about-ET-s-Human-evolution.....

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Then what were/are the' Foo fighters' ? They came to the attention of the military during WW11, Balls of light & other shapes that buzzed and
tracked military aircraft from all sides, so naturally all sides thought it was a secret weapon of the other ! They look like some form of ET craft
or entity or probe ? But why buzz so many aircraft , that does not make a lot of sence ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ha1U6p0Jnk&feature=related

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There is no doubt that UFO's exist and some are probably crewed by beings not of this earth as thousands of witnesses have seen them.
Many senior establishment people have seen them including Presidents , military personel, law enforcement and members of the public
from all walks of life. This was emphasized in the Belguim incident and the Pheonix flyby. These craft could well have been terrestial
secret space programme craft ? But why fly over such heavily populated areas ? more questions !

Steven Greers disclosure project in 2001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk never got the attention it merrited and was
soon forgotten in the wake of 9/11....which sparked Gary Mc Kinnons interrest & testomony of ship to ship transfer to none terrestial craft !

This is only the tip of the iceberg . I think I've gone off at a tangent ! What was the question Lone Bean ? ..LOL..I started answering this
post about two hours ago , maybe I should have started a new thread..LOL..Cheers Steve..

from a thread by lone Bean...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?51490-How-Why-Did-Alien-Crafts-Crash&p=576888#post576888

Simon

3rd January 2014, 16:48

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If we down at least one UFO we'll be facing an interstellar war - Former Defense Minister of Canada: http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/%D1%81anada-minister-defense-ufo-959/

Holy Crap, this stuff is on Mainstream.

humans still have alot to learn and NEED TO GROW UP...

Hey,
Thanks,
Paul Hellyer is in fact on the mainstream medias " don't interview list" as a past Minister of Defence he could cause the elite serious problems,.
thanks for this link, the style of the interview was designed to make him out to be a "nut" - this is achieved by the interviewer not smiling or showing agreement, by nodding her head, etc, etc.
I have seen such briefs when I was interviewed on mainstream TV in UK, however in my case a member of the security services " had a word" with the production company and that is the reason that I was treated with a great deal more respect than
is shown to most people who come forward - I expect this interview with me has already posted on Avalon, it was the Today breakfast show. However I was told by the production crew that they would NOT show any of my drawings of Reptilians, but any other alien was ok !!!
says it all.........
Simon

Simon

3rd January 2014, 17:02

There's more of Hellyar's 2005 conference dialog found here:

http://ufodigest.com/paulhellyer.html

"He claims to never have had time for what he considered to be a "flight of fancy", but nevertheless retained an interest in the UFO phenomenon. While Minister for Defense, he was guest of honor at the opening of the world's first UFO landing pad at Alberta, Canada in 1967."

"Hellyer's position on UFOs dramatically changed after watching the late Peter Jennings documentary special, "Seeing is Believing" in February 2005. Hellyer decided to read a book that had been idly sitting on his book shelf for two years. Philip Corso's, The Day After Roswell, sparked intense interest for Hellyer in terms of its policy implications."

"According to Hellyer, this had led to the development of "laser and particle guns to the point that they can be used against the visitors from space." It is this targeting of visiting extraterrestrials that concerns Hellyer, and he asks "is it wise to spend so much time and money to build weapon systems to rid the skies of alien visitors?" Hellyer poignantly raises the key policy question: "Are they really enemies or merely legitimate explorers from afar?"

I suppose we could wonder, where he got that data, as surely it would have been quite restricted, and rather secret.. who in industry or military showed him these things in operation?
Hey Bobd,
An excellent post - carol Rosan who knew and worked with walter Von Braun is deeply up-set by spaced weapons, carol and I see eye to eye on this matter, during the late 1960's and early 1970's when my human mother was working on documents from what was then western Germany there were many references to Von braun, some are not convinced he was a dedicated Nazi, never the less he was a member of the SS, but in the early 1970's he turned against NASA where he was then working and came out against space based weapons - paul H, has been told that any mainstream media interviews that he way do, he is categorically told that he is not allowed to talk about space based weapons - garry Mcannon also came across some of this info, ( over and above the secret space fleet) but held it back to be used to do a deal with the US, should he be extradited. In the end this was not necessary because the NSA got everything they wanted without his extradition.
simon

araucaria

3rd January 2014, 17:07

Hey,
Thanks,
Paul Hellyer is in fact on the mainstream medias " don't interview list" as a past Minister of Defence he could cause the elite serious problems,.
thanks for this link, the style of the interview was designed to make him out to be a "nut" - this is achieved by the interviewer not smiling or showing agreement, by nodding her head, etc, etc.
I have seen such briefs when I was interviewed on mainstream TV in UK, however in my case a member of the security services " had a word" with the production company and that is the reason that I was treated with a great deal more respect than
is shown to most people who come forward - I expect this interview with me has already posted on Avalon, it was the Today breakfast show. However I was told by the production crew that they would NOT show any of my drawings of Reptilians, but any other alien was ok !!!
says it all.........
Simon
Simon, what would be the rationale of RT breaking the don't interview rule and then back-pedalling on the interview style? In other words they are sending out contradictory signals: this guy is worth listening to, but he's a nutter. Would it be perhaps that they are trusting the viewer to make his own mind up without needing to be influenced by Sophie Chevardnadze's winning smiles? Or if the intention is really to portray him as a nutter rather than someone who doesn't exist, what recent new development might have caused them to lift the embargo?

Bob

3rd January 2014, 17:27

There's more of Hellyar's 2005 conference dialog found here:

http://ufodigest.com/paulhellyer.html
[...]
"is it wise to spend so much time and money to build weapon systems to rid the skies of alien visitors?"
Hellyer poignantly raises the key policy question: "Are they really enemies or merely legitimate explorers from afar?"

[..] where he got that data, as surely it would have been quite restricted, and rather secret..

who in industry or military showed him these things in operation?

[...]

carol Rosan who knew and worked with walter Von Braun is deeply up-set by spaced weapons, carol and I see eye to eye on this matter, during the late 1960's and early 1970's [...] came out against space based weapons

- paul H, has been told that any mainstream media interviews that he way do, he is categorically told that he is not allowed to talk about space based weapons -

garry Mcannon also came across some of this info, ( over and above the secret space fleet) but held it back

to be used to do a deal with the US, should he be extradited.

In the end this was not necessary because the NSA got everything they wanted without his extradition.
simon

Hi Simon, thanks - possibly I would love to see you start a new posting thread on Carol Rosan and Von Braun. Your thoughts there on that?

Araucaria had just asked about if you have any feeling why RTv interview would want to use this fellow in an interview with what appears to be contradictory messages, that Hellyar was not really a believer but didn't become a believer until watching a US Journalist's story that UFO's are real (over 30 years later)..

I suppose I would ask that question why the revived interest as I was interested in UFO phenomenon in the 60's and every other unusual unexplained and then after chasing so many dead ends, left it for 25 years before taking a look again. Possibly people's interest change.

My interest in Hellyar is:
1) to find if there are any ties with global, or local economic collapses - what Hellyar knows about that as an insider.
2) does he feel that "them", the ET group(s) offer any solution with that global economic manipulation, or, are they in any way involved with that, like to serve as the "wild card", with promises to fix things by bringing forth new energy, a new economy (abundance based, not shortage based).. do they present any caveats.. is it "free exchange" or is there "a hook" that goes with it..
3) If the world groups have really created space based weapons, where are they, orbiting? Weapons platforms are illegal under universal treaty.. If Hellyar is aware of such platforms he could be a good candidate to reveal where such are, who maintains them and what they are.. (particle, nuclear missile, MIRV warhead).

Those would be my questions to him.

Thank you for your post and thoughts.

Bob

Carmody

3rd January 2014, 17:41

Possibly the reason for laser defense systems. The Regan era space based laser defense systems.

Many of the craft work on field effects. This is an 'electric universe'. observation teaches that this is probably the case, as far as explanations on operational parameters can go. (I believe I cover all of this in the lithium thread, in the priority area, or possibly in other threads, spread around the forum)

IF..one has a large electrostatic differential in a given space, a given field that is built up to a limit, a huge charge differential in space..well..one way to make it arc, is to shine a laser through the 'fieldspace'.

IF..one was to shine a laser at a ship of this type, the laser can quite likely cause the field to short itself out. And that field takes TIME to re establish itself, so the ship's propulsion system is again functional.

If you go to the 'at the ranch' thread, you might find that some folks are playing with the orbs and lights or whatnot..with a laser beam torch/flashlight. Please note carefully that the craft do not allow the beam to pass directly over them (from my memory of the reports). (or that they might not show up if someone is playing with a flashlight beam/laser)

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Q: "So, Carmody, are you telling me that a 5 watt handheld laser torch/flashlight can take a UFO or military UFO or advanced technology craft, right out of the sky?"

A: "Yes, exactly that."

~~~~~~~~~~~

Note these changes in high powered handheld laser 'ownership and use' laws and regulations. Note that some people try it on 'airborne aircraft'. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pointer#Regulations_and_misuse) Why would they do that? (both try it, purposely, and then the regulations) (outside of the 'mundane' thoughts on what they can be used for, like espionage, trying to induce a crash of a plane or car)

Bob

3rd January 2014, 17:58

Possibly the reason for laser defense systems. The Regan era space based laser defense systems.

Many of the craft work on field effects. This is an 'electric universe'. [...]

Hi Carmody, would you like to start a thread with me (i won't debate you promise :) on that subject of assorted weapons systems being used to assault ET's, harass ET's or something like that? Kinda a disclosure project on what is being done, as you mention there is a brief discussion here and there.. Possibly that would open up more of the exotic systems discussions, as you know I opened up the simple but ancient, gravity buoyancy discussion in the disclosure sub-forum..

My curiosity with Hellyar is was he only talking about Regan's "Star Wars" lasers or something else..

Bob

Carmody

3rd January 2014, 18:21

I've got lots on my plate and tend to do a bit of a 'hit and run' type of posting. All with my convoluted phrasing intact, of course. which means I can't, at this time, mount any attempt at a serious discourse. I tend to generalize, as this allows me enough to get to where I need to be.

For example, in proofing a given thing, the scientific mind tends to desire a fully fleshed out treatise, mathematical proofing, and whatever level of complex calculus or mathematics required to cement a given complex theory into mathematical perfection. Then that scientific mind wants a entire buffet of separate sets of proofs in testing, and studies being done. I've no desire to butt heads with that mindset, as the first thing it does... is it comes after such attempts with a hammer that is designed from the outset as a weapon to break the new discourse apart.

Which is great if one wants to 'proof the minutiae' as a form of logic and emotions; as a bout of near unending and inconclusive warfare. Essentially, that can greatly slow one down if they are trying to jump from floating log to floating log in order to get across a chasm. If one is trying to get across a whole series of chasms and open spaces, in order to flesh out the shape of the land, and then find specifics, the minutiae method will break their attempts at overall mapping and targeting.

In essence, I don't tend to get into the extreme minutiae, unless it is a subject that is relevant to my specific direction.

The other way I tend to do it, is to understand all of that in what is termed 'layman's levels of knowledge'. I do it this way as we all have to deal with what is coming down the pipe, and the vast majority cannot commit to the specialization involved in minutiae. So, i work at finding the ways to explain operation of given devices and techniques, in mundane ways so the general populace can deal with the intricacies, without harming themselves (with said concepts and real world outcomes) at the same time they 'get it' on 'what is' and 'what is not'.

I find it is a greater challenge in intellect to try and get at working with all this high level technology and understanding how it all connects together and how to make and create it in any way, shape, or form.... without bothering to get into micro levels of scientific discourse. That we can work directly with high level ancient and advanced technology, and easily create more and greater works... without having spent time in a single calculus class. I can say that I took calculus at one time, in my past, but I walked away from it, as I did not need it to get to where i was going to. That a farmer can encapsulate, conceive of, relate, and work with a very complex and fantastic reality, just as well as...and possibly better than a world class technician and mathematician/physicist - which just pisses such people as the latter off, to no end. The point to recall, is that the linear side of the mind is just that, one side. The other 50% of the mind, the intuitive lateral side is just as connected, if not moreso. Which is how the ancient philosophers and alchemists did it. In the midst of all that, they found a balance point.

Essentially, from my thoughts on the matter, it is the laser and particle weapons that are being used, or are threatened to be used, due to the field effect aspects of the craft being popped like a balloon. And that, conceptually, is something that everyone can understand. Which, IMO, is essential.

Importantly, I'm not saying anything in your direction. It is just a known phenomena in these circles of the internet, that engaging people on their home turf of scientific methodologies is a great way to make sure you are using weapons/bulkheads/doorways/locks&blocks... that they honed and built (And wired into their fundamentally emotional minds - which they cannot see), and then to engage them... is to get locked into and be overcome by a pitched battle that leads nowhere, regarding the overall situation that we all face in this time.

Flash

3rd January 2014, 18:47

Thanks you Carmody and as the laywoman I am, you are right, there is no other ways I would undrestand the basics of what technology and science can convey. Even sometimes I can't follow you, but I know there is a limit at vulgarisation for the sake of conveying information, without the zest of such infomation being lost. So I slowly do my own efforts at comprehending. Comprehension greatly helps inner decision making as well as seeing the path to take.

So thank you for your efforts to make it simple.

Bob

3rd January 2014, 19:00

I've got lots on my plate and tend to do a bit of a 'hit and run' type of posting. All with my convoluted phrasing intact, of course. which means I can't, at this time, mount any attempt at a serious discourse. I tend to generalize, as this allows me enough to get to where I need to be.

[...]

It is just a known phenomena in these circles of the internet, that engaging people on their home turf of scientific methodologies is a great way to make sure you are using weapons/bulkheads/doorways/locks&blocks... that they honed and built (And wired into their fundamentally emotional minds - which they cannot see), and then to engage them... is to get locked into and be overcome by a pitched battle that leads nowhere, regarding the overall situation that we all face in this time.

That's a good point about fixed ideas in the internet. What I was doing in the "gravity buoyancy" was to help people understand basics, sorta like if you understand enough of the subject what and why it is happening folks can then realize the difference between something artificial and something which may have meat to it..

I don't mind brief, non-physics explanations, no geek-speak really is the best thing to do..

With Hellyar, we see these weapons being talked about and many people believe UFO's are out there, and that US and others have created weapons against them.. OK what weapons, and what proof, and if so, how can they work, why would they work on such "crafts".. Messing up the electrics of one component of a craft's field system obviously is a way to alter what they can do, if they are neutralized and virtually in a created "void" space (any field in that space is going to mess with them).. SO of course a hand held green laser pointer is going to mess around with them.. What about a 100 kilowatt gas laser :) again very easy to do military tech, and there are plenty of groups with that type of laser...

There was Agape's observation, of WHY cause incidents with people who may be exploring. And Hellyar's comments about don't start a war..

I know Greer for instance uses a very bright green laser pointer in the UFO exploration expeditions he does, I had that laser of his shot in my face by him when he was "fooling around", not something one would consider a safe and sensible thing to do to one's audience, yet along point such at the "craft"...

So discussing what craft would be affected would be good, with what tools (lasers for instance), or what craft to be affected would need a stronger assault, such as a million watt radar microwave beam, either from a satellite or a ground based system (such as what the US has, for "deep space tracking") and what the Ex Soviet has again for "deep space tracking")...

Hope you feel a generalized approach would be useful as the forum really seems to be into understanding more about is it Ultra-Terrestrials, OR MK-Ultra, OR actual "visitors" from afar..

Bob

Carmody

3rd January 2014, 19:02

essentially, what we find is that for all the high level mathematics and physics, and all the scientific wrangling, tons of money spent, 10's of thousands of scientific man hours, dozens of universities involved, hundreds of scientific and very mathematical papers written, and major studies out the wazoo....that in the end, to make a perfect organic conductive circuit, a 14-16 year old kid can stick a painted CD in a blue laser burner, modify the operational software, for the correct tracking.... and spin out a painted disc that is a finished complex computational/operational device.

After all that, a kid can reach perfection by putting a painted disc in a optical drive.

Magic.

The trick, is to do an end run around the entire thing and not commit to the ba-jillion man hours of head-butting by coming at the complexities from a direction that is akin to trying to cut through a mountain buttress with your head. To take what looks like the long walk around.... is to actually take the shorter path.

Edit:
(will possibly have a reply to your above post later, I've gotta run....)

skippy

3rd January 2014, 19:03

ETs Want To Help Mankind? Good, we can need some help to get us out of this mess. Let's face the facts, only ETs can still save us (cf. Martin Heidegger, 1966, Der Spiegel interview (http://www.ditext.com/heidegger/interview.html): "Only a God can save us"). We better get lucky.

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Limor Wolf

24th September 2015, 19:19

I listened to this Paul Hellyer interview today. The former Canadian Minister of defense speaks about the totalitarian government (NWO people) who plan to take away the freedom of the human race and courageously alert with regards to the short time available to us to change the situation. a small difference from his other interviews (at least those I heard), is that in the last half hour he talks about spiritual revolution, he mentiones the Arcturians and apparently sees them as good candidates to be allies, and briefly mentions the ('one - two' according to him) malevolent species that are already here for many years dealing with our governments (which, I believe needs much more reference than anyone cares to give at this time!)

Hellyer's solutions/suggestions always move around the system of governments, he does not drop the idea of a hierarchical model despite it being proven itself as the worst, and most of his world view is based on the alien as saviors with too little credit to the potential of our human race, imo.

The subject that is almost never spoken of for obvious reasons is the long-standing cooperation not say more than that, of the current alien rullers. That leaves huge gap in the understanding of the REAL realities we are facing, as opposed to the softened version of 'visitors' and humans that explains nothing with regards to our genetic heritage. It is still a long road, short time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvpkzx1WqAY