My view on Jewish people and Zionism

[Cristian]

For the record , I don’t think of Jews, Germans or any other people to be superior or inferior in any way. But for historical and genetic reasons people are different .

It’s true that Germans are more disciplined and organized , Italians are very good designers and art oriented etc.
Is true that people from countries with strong latin heritage are more easy going and dreamers and Nordic, German and British people are more focused on reality and exact sciences.

The people of Israel are different .

To understand why they are different , we need to go back in time.

Back in time when God said they are the chosen people. And yes I do believe their God said that.

So who was this God that choused them over other people? Who was this Father that choused one son over the rest of his sons?
It doesn’t make sense that the Universe itself would make such a choice.

Is more likely for somebody playing God to make this kind of choices. But why?
Are Jews their genetic offspring? Is this like a horse racing when somebody is betting on his own horse? I think so…

So this is a problem for humanity. And I think this has to concern Israel’s young generation. They have to be able to use critical thinking when it comes to their religious leaders and politicians.

I’ve read the Hitler speech thread. Some time ago I also read Mein Kampf . I think it’s a must read for anyone who wants to enter in Hitler’s mind.
In my opinion WW2 was about history and genetics. WW2 was the opera of various demigods operating behind scenes. “The aryan pure race” vs “the chosen people”

And the worst part is …I don’t think we’ve seen the end of this battle.

Maybe at some point we can toss this so called gods in the garbage ? Maybe we can all be just human beings with no chosen people?

[observer]

Here are two very relevant videos for those members with the patience to do the research, Cristian.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ris3YCcmYk

When one considers the research of Ralph Elis, it becomes apparent the Jews of antiquity invented the Exodus story simply as an excuse to steel the land of Canaan, and commit the atrocity of genocide on the Canaanites.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TVd8ovSPl4

The Khazar Jew, or otherwise, the Yiddish speaking European Jew, are the foundational driving force behind Zionism. Zionism is yet another great lie designed to steel the land of Canaan back from the rightful landowners, the Arabs. Whom, might I point-out, were also the sons of Abraham.


"Maybe at some point we can toss this so called gods in the garbage ? Maybe we can all be just human beings with no chosen people?"

Upon a through review of the historic record, I totally concur with your conclusion....

[Agape]

You're good observer Cristian .. from the 'theists' point of rhetorics .. ''we are all Children of God'' .

I often start laughing when people say that this and that man ( or nation ) was the only Son of God - where would all the other creatures come from ?

Never mind. I've met many young Israeli people travelling in India and if I 'm to point out some kind of 'specific characteristics' of their nature,
they are somewhat like young Indian Brahmins , 'naturally spiritual' . Even those who strictly refuse to count themselves among the 'religious' folk , and repeat 'I'm not religious, God made us all the same , don't trouble your mind beyond that point'' .

are still ..compared to majority /average of other populace very often deep thinkers, inner philosophers, most of them denounce workings of their government and any other worldly government .. with detailed knowledge of corruption and de-sacrification of laws happening in their hands .
They still share something of the 'lost tribe searching for their homeland feel' though most now understand that peace is something to be found inside .

Yes I believe this goes back to history .. old Egypt was very 'religious' . The power of Blessings that inspired and empowered group of enslaved tribes to tear themselves from the subjugation to that system had to be enormous.


If you want to understand the truth about mankind it's important to see how every religion, every cultures inherited also faith and power of their predecessors .. even if the earlier were then portrayed as enemies ..
the pride of Pharaohs ..


:angel:

[rgray222]

For the record , I don’t think of Jews, Germans or any other people to be superior or inferior in any way. But for historical and genetic reasons people are different .

It’s true that Germans are more disciplined and organized , Italians are very good designers and art oriented etc.
Is true that people from countries with strong latin heritage are more easy going and dreamers and Nordic, German and British people are more focused on reality and exact sciences.

The people of Israel are different .



You start this thread on the premise of the people from different countries are different. People around the world are very much the same. Certain countries have developed a reputation for being organized while others we think of as being laid back.

Different countries have developed different reputations for having a specific way of life or certain industries but this is not based on the people it is based on several factors, geographical locations, resources, climate, religious beliefs, political beliefs, etc.

Like children, people live up to those expectations and reputations that are developed over time. Eventually an infrastructure begins to emerge, such as Italian clothes and car designers, Japanese electronics & car manufacturing, Scottish whiskies, middle east oil etc etc. Reputations change and evolve as the countries develop a new reputation.

It has been a lesson for me to watch certain countries/cultures change and evolve as they gain a positive reputation. To a lesser degree some countries live down to their negative reputation and it is hard for them to change the worlds perception, poverty in Bangladesh, child prostitution in Vietnam and Thailand. Fortunately countries, like people, want to be thought well of so when they have the chance to gain a positive reputation they usually move in that direction.


Maybe at some point we can toss this so called gods in the garbage ? Maybe we can all be just human beings with no chosen people?

As far as religion goes, each person and each country has to find their own way in the world. If they feel that God and religion is important to them than so be it. We should be tolerant of people choices and try not to be judgmental. If they want to believe in Buddhism, carry the mantle for being Catholic, Shinto or Lutheran than that is their business.

Religions, governments, leaders and people have been attempting to force their beliefs on society for centuries and that has not worked out very well. It is time for the world to take a deep breath and let everyone find their own path.

There are a thousand roads that all go to the same place, it is up to each person and each country to find the road that is best. Being tolerant of peoples beliefs is sometimes extremely hard but adopting such an attitude will move the collective consciousness of the world much further much faster.

[Agape]

You start this thread on the premise of the people from different countries are different. People around the world are very much the same. Certain countries have developed a reputation for being organized while others we think of as being laid back.



Interesting point . I think you're right basically , and it's the intention ( inner quality of intention -resolution- motivation is extremely important to any secular or religious social system as much as it plays role in individual resolve ) that decides how each particular nation, society, culture .. develops .

As they say in India ''What you think - you become''. If you think of yourself as organised being that's what you become. If you think of yourself as 'laid back' it turns to be part of your visible image over time .

But where does the intention -motivation/conviction come from in you ? And there may be the answer to the original question from Cristian .

Some nations seem to believe ( historically ) that their task is to build well organised empire and perfection on earth .

Other nations ( quoting the Hebrew tribes but there were/are many aboriginal tribes who believe/d the same ) see their task on Earth is to evolve, ascend to higher level of evolution , that the true Kingdom or Heaven can't be found here,
it can be mere ( and poor ) replica of its true original .

Actually, I think that many of the evolved cultures of old possessed this piece of 'archetypal awareness' , 'memory imprint' in them that 'pulled them up' from the temporary struggle on earth and reminded them of 'extra-terrestrial home' not to be found here . Such memory imprints were /are expressed differently, through out large number of religions , myths, and legends .

Within each culture in particular it used to be a 'caste' of people , such as priests or in minor numbers, the village shamans who heard the 'call' for ascension and were gifted with such original imprint ..

Over the ages ..and with great population boom I fear .. that clear discernment of such matters faded ...



:hug:

[soulsinger]

It’s true that Germans are more disciplined and organized , Italians are very good designers and art oriented etc.
Is true that people from countries with strong latin heritage are more easy going and dreamers and Nordic, German and British people are more focused on reality and exact sciences.

Respectfully, I implore all Avalonians-- and all humans-- to break free of this way of thinking. Racial stereotyping denies the fundamental uniqueness of individuals.... and the most common characteristic of humans is that we are all *unique.* It is impossible to paint large populations of humanity with such a broad brush, and maintain any level of meaningful accuracy.

Please understand that racial stereotyping is a byproduct of a system of mental control. I hope we can all break free of categorizing humans in this way. When we accept uncertainty and release our preconceived notions, we allow ourselves to be more open to reality.

[GreenGuy]

As for being "God's chosen," I say be careful what you wish for. Anyone who's been through boot camp knows that getting "chosen" isn't necessarily a good thing.

I for one do not believe that the Ultimate Being "chose" the Hebrews. But even if that were true, modern Jews are not, for the most part, Hebrews. The vast majority of them are European and Ashkenazy stock.

[rgray222]

It’s true that Germans are more disciplined and organized , Italians are very good designers and art oriented etc.
Is true that people from countries with strong latin heritage are more easy going and dreamers and Nordic, German and British people are more focused on reality and exact sciences.

Respectfully, I implore all Avalonians-- and all humans-- to break free of this way of thinking. Racial stereotyping denies the fundamental uniqueness of individuals.... and the most common characteristic of humans is that we are all *unique.* It is impossible to paint large populations of humanity with such a broad brush, and maintain any level of meaningful accuracy.

Please understand that racial stereotyping is a byproduct of a system of mental control. I hope we can all break free of categorizing humans in this way. When we accept uncertainty and release our preconceived notions, we allow ourselves to be more open to reality.

Race refers to a person's physical appearance, such as skin color, eye color, hair color, bone/jaw structure etc. Ethnicity, on the other hand, relates to cultural factors such as nationality, culture, ancestry, language and beliefs.

I think you meant stereotyping not necessarily racial stereotyping, they are similar and at the same time very different.

[Agape]

Respectfully, I implore all Avalonians-- and all humans-- to break free of this way of thinking. Racial stereotyping denies the fundamental uniqueness of individuals.... and the most common characteristic of humans is that we are all *unique.* It is impossible to paint large populations of humanity with such a broad brush, and maintain any level of meaningful accuracy.

Please understand that racial stereotyping is a byproduct of a system of mental control. I hope we can all break free of categorizing humans in this way. When we accept uncertainty and release our preconceived notions, we allow ourselves to be more open to reality.


I very much agree and thank you for this call to humanity ( more and louder should be made ) ,

but I also believe that this breakout from the orthodox prisons, cultural and scientific and religious dogmas built over millennia,
evolved with tribal/genomic cultivation of certain features and characteristics that took millions of years of human history and the same history is scripted in their blood, so to say, DNA,
yes all of our 'blood' looks red but as individuals we ARE very different, each possessing piece of unique feature of humanities heritage ,

true ..through education and interbreeding we have overgrown differences and created more of them, the word 'race' does not have any realistic meaning on this planet from where I see it because these people are all HUMAN.

If you care to travel across the continents, from one land to another .. you will observe peoples faces changing ..in very harmonious way, being each others relatives , being part of each other ..everywhere around the world .
And then you meet someone resembling your German professor among the Mongolian tribes, and then someone else from the Ivory Coast who will remind you in something of your grandmother .

Mankind is one tribe of many colours, millions of colours, consisting of so much uniqueness .

But the breakthrough .. the call for higher state of evolution..a state of sameness and brotherhood.. won't happen overnight , and it won't happen by destruction of cultures, history and differences.

It can only happen by education, gestures of Peace .. invitation of Hearts, greater openness . So that those who live in orthodox , isolated communities would dare to meet the greater world without fear of destroying their values.

It can't and should never happen the way 'Crystal Night' happened in Germany before WWII or the way of Chairmans Mao cultural revolution.

It should not happen the way the Incan empire was conquered and destroyed by Pizzaro , for the quest of greater sameness .

It should not happen by force .


I know that the French won't agree with me and many others won't agree either , because it was their revolution of proletariate against the aristocracy that changed everything in Europe .. paved way for century of God-less communist regimes
peaking in todays China, and generally all regimes that converted people to numbers.

Orwellian dystopia of sameness , taking over this world is what scares me the most . Because there is long way to go yet ... beyond human evolution... many choices, right and wrong ..



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[ghostrider]

the ancient peoples coming here for thousands of years mixed their DNA with the three original earth tribes ... fearing the loss of their bloodline through mutations and genetics a scientist named semjasa along with 200 others who were under a Lyrian leader named ishwish ARUS , captured native earth women and mated and the result was adam and EVA , a completely new life form , thats where you get your stories of Jehav , and the sons of heaven , the decendants of Jehav enforced his rules for he proclaimed himself god and tried to rule the world, he was a barbarian that demanded blood and death was his punishment for most things ...humans are the same , no matter where they come from , the only difference is their level of evolution ( number of lifetimes) ...

[Deega]

For the record , I don’t think of Jews, Germans or any other people to be superior or inferior in any way. But for historical and genetic reasons people are different .

And the worst part is …I don’t think we’ve seen the end of this battle.

Maybe at some point we can toss this so called gods in the garbage ? Maybe we can all be just human beings with no chosen people?


Thanks Cristian for this Tread, I have the same opinion.

Jews or others superior race from a «god» perspective is a creation of a race of people to give themselves powers over others.

I think that you're probably right, we've seen the end of this battle, it serves a purpose that was used for centuries.

Great wish, do hope it will happened, «we can all be just human beings with no chosen people».

The best to you!

[GreenGuy]

[QUOTE=soulsinger;783557]Mankind is one tribe of many colours, millions of colours, consisting of so much uniqueness .

I don't remember where I read it many years ago, but here's something that always impressed me: If you could line up the entire human race, shoulder-to-shoulder and sorted according to color with the albinos at one end and the blackest at the other, you would never be able to separate mankind into races.

[Agape]

I don't remember where I read it many years ago, but here's something that always impressed me: If you could line up the entire human race, shoulder-to-shoulder and sorted according to color with the albinos at one end and the blackest at the other, you would never be able to separate mankind into races.

That's about what I meant and it concerns all the other anthropological features as well . I 'd encourage people to explore the abundance of ethnic groups hidden on all continents , nowadays the internet database, even Wiki lists thousands of human ethnic groups , often with photos . It's easy to observe the fluency of change,
variability of morphological features , most caused by adaptation to certain soils and climates , nutrition, interbreeding , evolution of new patterns .. and that's only very little , minute part of the enormous creative potential present within each of these peoples and their cultures,
linking their legends to deep deep history .

I find some modern anthropologists who try to convince people that some 30 000 years ago mankind was rather primitive group of hunters-gatherers capable of carving simple stone tools really ridiculous .

It's more often the memories and legends that survive , as complex and sophisticated as peoples intelligence is than the tools , surprisingly, so called 'hard core evidence' , material objects like castles built from sand ..


:angel:


P.S. : Not quite to the topic but I found a beautiful photo gallery with people from rare and almost forgotten parts of the world , some time ago..

http://philborges.com

deserves own thread perhaps.

[christian]

They have to be able to use critical thinking when it comes to their religious leaders and politicians.


Hm, are you saying that we should be suspicious of people or beings who tell us that we're inherently "better" than others, or who tell us to wage wars of aggression against others? Then, I think you're very much right on. :)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I think technology should be a part of this debate -- because the prophets in the Bible were concerned with technology and what it can do to a civilization!
For example, not many people would agree with me that it is likely that in the time before Babel, high technology may definitely have existed, and may in fact have been the true reason that the languages were allegedly confused and the continents divided (research the effects of detonating a nuclear bomb on the earth's magnetic lines of flux!)

The Bible and its associated religions are as much about saving us from the "Synthetic Reality" generated by the media and technology as it is about worship of "God".

As evidenced by the Psalms, God loves to be worshiped, but considering how many books of the Bible are dedicated solely to human survival, I somehow doubt the whole point of it all is absolute focus on God... he created the world for us to inhabit, experience, and enjoy, as well as to educate...

I enjoyed very much the article Bobd linked to yesterday or the day before about the Feminine Aspect of God as experienced by the Jewish woman celebrating New Moon sacrifices.

that is another aspect of Judaism that people fail to see... that there is a Feminine Divine hidden in the lunar associations...

p.s. Carl Jung had some supernatural experiences that were related to the wars. He spoke often of the spiritual aspect of Hitler, the "Wotanism" coming through him. he even called him the prophet of Odin. :(

Carl Jung saw also the Tree of Life, which is a very ancient and universal life sign in many religions. It is the symbol of life after death, the rebuilding of civilization and humanity after the chaos of war sweeps over everything...

Mike Mignola dealt with this sort of thing a whole lot in his books. the tree of life (the world tree) and the ragnarok...

[Agape]

For example, not many people would agree with me that it is likely that in the time before Babel, high technology may definitely have existed, and may in fact have been the true reason that the languages were allegedly confused and the continents divided (research the effects of detonating a nuclear bomb on the earth's magnetic lines of flux!)




There's quite number of people who claim memories and soul connection with ancient Atlantis and before Atlantis, Lemuria .. historically, both preceded old Egypt and existed at times before the Great Flood .

Both of those cultures, Atlantic and Lemurian .. had high level technologies based on different principles that todays technologies though and there I dare to think,
lies the charm of discovering something that isn't yet apparent within the domain of todays science,
simply because technology can evolve in many different directions if you wipe the previous and start anew .

On fun note, I'd hate to think that Biblical God was in fact some civilisations huge talking computer disguised in a rock.

[161803398]

My family is Irish (Northern and Southern), English, Norwegian, Finish and Icelandic. I live in Canada but travel back and forth to Ireland and England. There are huge and subtle differences in these cultures and I can say that with confidence because I live it on a regular basis. The thinking processes, in some cases are utterly different. Depending on how often I make the transition from one to the other, I might have to seclude myself for a few days before adjusting to one or the other when I travel. Northern Ireland to Canada is not a huge difference. Southern Ireland to England is not a total shock depending on the particular English micro-culture. My Scandinavian parts seem to more easily adjust to most. All these features of thinking and personality are probably learned although I have sometimes felt there is genetic memory. There are micro-cultures everywhere. There was a university professor from China I recall who said his "country" was the university and it was mostly true. I remember meeting some farmers from China who had come to Canada and opened a photocopier repair business and they reminded me so much of some Irish farmer friends I have. Its the same with fishermen/women from any country or culture as it is a culture, in itself. Along with micro-cultures, there are not only stereotypes in every culture but also archetypes. It also depends on what you are looking at: similarities or differences....although I have to say sometimes the differences will hit you in the face if you aren't aware of them. Having said all that, I would hate it if all the people were exactly the same. A person can learn so much about themselves by moving about and finding out what other people think. I have to say though I think the Jewish God did choose the Jewish people...how could it be any different?

[ulli]

Everything boils down to the attitude an individual brings to the table.
And people shift from day to day...some might be spouting bigoted absurdities,
and a moment later give a hand to someone who is a member of the very race they are condemning.
This has to be observed to be believed. I'm in an inter-cultural marriage, and my husband and in-laws are quite different in their customs from my German roots crowd.
It actually meant that I would make allowances I might not have made with someone of my own background. It's all part of life's adventures.

The most important part is finding out who the self is, and get along with that self.
Then come some startling discoveries...that you are me.

And the old clichés live on, like 'some of my best friends are Jews'.
There is truth to be found in friendships with odd people...lol...

[Sudhanshu]

I,for one,say to hell with assigning so much importance to these nomenclatures altogether.A jew is a human,who holds some certain beliefs(i am not particularly well informed about jewish beliefs).That's all there is to it,in our present time and condition(i can't speak on the behest of circumstances which might have prevailed in ancient or medieval times).I don't understand just how and why,the nomenclature comes to dominate the identity of the human in question himself/herself.Suddenly it's not aron or linda,but a *jew*,and cue the other stereotyping that goes with it.i have read a little of something called the "protocols of the elders of zion",and i have read a little decidedly because what that little itself espoused,but what really made me frown was that,the schemes and the nefarious plans were going to be implemented/were devised by *jews*,wtf?clearly a distinction needs to be made when talking about stuff like this,not only because the allegations are heavy but because it's plainly inaccurate.so what?the entire jewish community sat down to devise demonic plans now,did they?you can probably see then,that It is more likely,assuming that the protocols and the allegations are true,that a group of humans did it,who were apparently jewish. How some really wild stuff about jews plotting some really bad stuff finds utterance through so many tongues is beyond me(and it does),i mean how the hell are *jews* at fault,or the jewish belief systems at fault?the particular scheming people are at fault.people really need to make this distinction.

[Carmody]

Another fun thing to remind people, is that the original biblical works speaks of assemblies of gods making decisions together, and the being tasked with following the orders that resulted from those gatherings, was called a 'satan'. Which was something that the regular folk did not want to ever see, as the decisions and the action that followed - could be quite the mess and unpleasant for those people involved. Thus, Satan ..and Lucifer - the angel of the dawn... should not be confused with one another.

Again, that it was gods, not singular. Gods. A decision making team. For whatever that is worth.

The idea or reality (if you prefer)...that the more critical or formative of the biblical tales, as projections into people for them to take to heart... are echoes and repeats of earlier religions from earlier clans and groups from that area of the earth.

Anyway, we could end up writing books on these subjects, and many folks have.

The point is, of course, to get it to the people's daily lives so their minds shift into being more open and reasonable in their mental and emotional positions and act and flow of living. So that they consider not allowing politicians or any other group to strong-arm or browbeat.. .to not be put into a position that has them divided and killing or being quietly supportive of killing and death, via non action and non involvement.

To understand when their so called societal and cultural mechanisms of life, that those people involved in those components, are not allowed to drive the given group in ways that are essentially subversion and perversion. to understand when they are being messed with or being 'played'. To not sit idly by in those moments but to recognize them..and be proactive in the prevention of those nefarious intents coming from the few.

[Lifebringer]

I've always suspected that perhaps there are 7 of our parts/dimensional selves among the 12 tribes re-incarnated to experience all sides of the emotional life of each to make better solutions when the times comes to come together as one for solutions. I'm thinking each one from 7 of the 12, making their way towards consciousness by experiencing that culture's life, be it male or female.

It's not so wild to think that far outside the box. 7 candlesticks, and all that? 7 Religious teachings that lead to awakening to Christ consciousness. I'm not standing firm on the taught "versions with missing pieces" of texts that have survived the butchery, but to keep an open mind that all the pieces fit into someone's plan with the spiritual evolution/conscious expansion of humans/soul vehicles, to make it through to end of age/end of days/revelations or the New Age of testament.
Just saying, it's possible.:baby:in universe.

I think that the Jewish people there in Israel right now, say NO! WE are NOT going the way of Hitler and have discriminatory wars of aggression for conquest as our future, and throw those out that are trying to keep it going, I believe they can make their leaders, stop this unnecessary blood shed and property seizure in Palestine, that keeps the Arab populations of 3,000 years or so, from rising up, and thrashing them for their leader's inappropriate leadership, of greed and murderous plans for their future.

All nations have to do it, and it's time to kick the paranoid psychotic leaders who have war of innocents on the brain, to be removed by any means necessary by their people of their country. Simple as that.

Stand up O' Israel, and take your place among those of the faith, and not by those of the material world of riches by the blood of innocents. How could you live in a home who's past tenants were murdered to achieve settlement?

What has thou become in your name by your leaders? The world will testify on all.

[Lifebringer]

That's how I feel. I mean, we by bits and pieces are finding that we "chose" the vehicle, family and circumstances/trials to be faced, so it stands to reason, the inter marriage of my AA slave Great Grandfather freshly freed by emancipation and Irish Grandmother on Dad's side, faced many shall we say, challenges as they plunged forward in the creation of my Grandfather and 6 other brothers one sister. As well, my full blooded Native American Cherokee Mom, had a white ancestor, that I'm still trying to piece together on whether it's on Grandma or Grandpa's side. Mom's deceased. Have to visit the Aunts remaining to get the history there.
Either way, they weren't afraid to stand their ground in the "name of unconditional love" to make and bring forth more tolerant children and grandchildren for the future. I believe that the elites holding on to the same stale bloodline, have polluted their sense of morality, and common sense. It also was their choice, but you can see the madness when they do so, too close to breed.

Experience?
You betcha.

[GloriousPoetry]

Cristian,

I recommend this book which touches upon the history we have not been told regarding why as a human race we haven't broken the pattern of war. It touches on so many events and explains the alien influence. Disturbing book but full of important information.....

The Gods of Eden by William Bramley

[Agape]

My family is Irish (Northern and Southern), English, Norwegian, Finish and Icelandic. I live in Canada but travel back and forth to Ireland and England. There are huge and subtle differences in these cultures and I can say that with confidence because I live it on a regular basis. The thinking processes, in some cases are utterly different. Depending on how often I make the transition from one to the other, I might have to seclude myself for a few days before adjusting to one or the other when I travel. Northern Ireland to Canada is not a huge difference. Southern Ireland to England is not a total shock depending on the particular English micro-culture. My Scandinavian parts seem to more easily adjust to most. All these features of thinking and personality are probably learned although I have sometimes felt there is genetic memory. There are micro-cultures everywhere. There was a university professor from China I recall who said his "country" was the university and it was mostly true. I remember meeting some farmers from China who had come to Canada and opened a photocopier repair business and they reminded me so much of some Irish farmer friends I have. Its the same with fishermen/women from any country or culture as it is a culture, in itself. Along with micro-cultures, there are not only stereotypes in every culture but also archetypes. It also depends on what you are looking at: similarities or differences....although I have to say sometimes the differences will hit you in the face if you aren't aware of them. Having said all that, I would hate it if all the people were exactly the same. A person can learn so much about themselves by moving about and finding out what other people think. I have to say though I think the Jewish God did choose the Jewish people...how could it be any different?



I had two good Japanese friends who lived in Dhramsala for many years and studied with old Khamthul Rimpoche ( one of the senior teachers of H.H.Dalailama ) who was around 80 that time, I think he's still alive and in good health, re-established his monastery since then and so forth . He was one of the rarest lamas of the Nyigma tradition who made no distinction between peoples nationalities and where they came from , all were welcome in his house for regular 'Tsog' , prayer gatherings, chanted in Tibetan . He was quite particular about the ruler of non-discrimination that posed real challenge to some of the traditional, native Tibetans who were not used to 'outsiders' .

Now, these two Japanese friends left Japan long ago, they were both artists, lived in England and performed on stage music, they sang Beatles and their own songs ..
but left that part of their life behind as well, on Rimpoches advice to 'maintain low profile' .

Once we had something like small Christmas party with different people invited to their home and occasion for chat between us as well, when I 'innocently' remarked how beautiful Japanese culture is .
I'd never expect their reaction at that point .. which in fact was probably a typical example of courteous Japanese morals after all .. in either case, they both turned angry on spot yelling at me : ""We hate Japanese. We do not count ourselves among Japanese anymore and please never say that again in front of us. Japanese are very hard to tolerate. The culture is so full of pretence and hypocrisy and stagnant rules and dogmas that it's not acceptable to 'be Japanese' and feel like free human beings. ''

I understood their point very much. Did not mean to offend them . I likewise hated when someone would associate me with culture or nationality where I did not feel belonging .

:angel:


P.S. : They were certainly much more like John Lennon and Yoko Ono unless they were true incarnations of them ..


yRhq-yO1KN8


;)

[GreenGuy]

...even Wiki lists thousands of human ethnic groups , often with photos . It's easy to observe the fluency of change,
variability of morphological features , most caused by adaptation to certain soils and climates , nutrition, interbreeding , evolution of new patterns ..

Basically, I can see no difference between races of people and breeds of dogs. "Hi, Collie - I'm Dachshund! Gladdameetcha!"

[dianna]

There is truth to be found in friendships with odd people...lol...

Story of my life, and best statement on thread! LOL … I would add, joy and wisdom, insight and satisfaction to the "truth" we come by when we embrace friendships with people that convention considers "strange bedfellows" ...

[ulli]

The island of Barbados is only 21 miles from north to south,
yet people from the north talk with a different dialect from the people from the south.
And they certainly have different customs.
Some have only been down south less than a dozen times in their long lives,
and their radius of movement is no more than a couple of miles.

India has more than 1000 languages.
The human need to diversify is just as great as their need to be united with loved ones...
It's like a law, very precise.

[Agape]

...even Wiki lists thousands of human ethnic groups , often with photos . It's easy to observe the fluency of change,
variability of morphological features , most caused by adaptation to certain soils and climates , nutrition, interbreeding , evolution of new patterns ..

Basically, I can see no difference between races of people and breeds of dogs. "Hi, Collie - I'm Dachshund! Gladdameetcha!"

Some humans are certainly more mixed up than some dogs . The Pekingese ( dog ) was said to be ancient cross breed between a lion and marmoset .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pekingese

http://gosouthamerica.about.com/library/blwildpixmarmosets.htm

Modern geneticist however, claim that their DNA is the closest to Wolves of all known canine breeds .

What does it say about human-alien interbreeding .


And how do you greet a dalmatian , as an undisclosed marmoset .


:llama:

[turiya]

For the record , I don’t think of Jews, Germans or any other people to be superior or inferior in any way. But for historical and genetic reasons people are different .

It’s true that Germans are more disciplined and organized , Italians are very good designers and art oriented etc.
Is true that people from countries with strong latin heritage are more easy going and dreamers and Nordic, German and British people are more focused on reality and exact sciences.

The people of Israel are different .

To understand why they are different , we need to go back in time.

Back in time when God said they are the chosen people. And yes I do believe their God said that.

So who was this God that choused them over other people? Who was this Father that choused one son over the rest of his sons?
It doesn’t make sense that the Universe itself would make such a choice.

Is more likely for somebody playing God to make this kind of choices. But why?
Are Jews their genetic offspring? Is this like a horse racing when somebody is betting on his own horse? I think so…

So this is a problem for humanity. And I think this has to concern Israel’s young generation. They have to be able to use critical thinking when it comes to their religious leaders and politicians.

I’ve read the Hitler speech thread. Some time ago I also read Mein Kampf . I think it’s a must read for anyone who wants to enter in Hitler’s mind.
In my opinion WW2 was about history and genetics. WW2 was the opera of various demigods operating behind scenes. “The aryan pure race” vs “the chosen people”

And the worst part is …I don’t think we’ve seen the end of this battle.

Maybe at some point we can toss this so called gods in the garbage ? Maybe we can all be just human beings with no chosen people?

No doubt people are different. But you begin by putting Jews next to Germans - oranges & apples, imo. People are quite confused as to what "true" religiousness means. This is the main source of confusion. 'Real' religiousness is individual. It is a personal affair. It cannot be made into a mass transit phenomenon. People en masse cannot take a mass transit system to heaven. Many think they can. They are utterly & deeply confused.

The notion that any of the so-called "established" religions have anything to do with authentic religiousness, I find patently absurd. Whether it be Catholicism, Muslim, Judaism, Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, it is nothing more than an ideology used to subjugate masses of people. They are all political in nature. Politicians want to lead the masses in the outside world of politics. Priests, Popes, Rabis, Ministers, Imaams, they also want to lead the masses of people in the 'other' world . They pretend to have a direct connection with God - as if nobody can make this connection themselves. This is the propaganda that is pushed. So, if one wants to get into some kind of heavenly after-life then the hierarchy of one of these so-called "religions" are the ones that people have to come to. This is Absolute BS.

The idea of there being a 'chosen few' is why there are so many different types of so-called "established" religions. Because every so-called 'religion' needs to promote their own "specialness" to attract members. Its is political-economics propaganda. The greater the numbers, the greater the power to place on government.

What I haven't seen very much, is what people have to say about Zionists. Obviously, Joe is a confused individual, but he knows what he is.


"You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-UXZ-1ups
Then, to add to the confusion, we have this:
the "Zionist State of Israel" places the "Star of David" on their war planes.
So, WTF is up with that?

http://www.inshad.com/forum/ForumUsersImages/29391493dacc2d0439.jpg

turiya :cool:

[Kindred]

To the O.P., and others – what we call the Jews, is an extremely ‘mixed bag’. To understand the depth and breadth of the issue, we must look in a number of places for a complete answer, and the few answers I provide are but a small portion of the whole.

The ‘Jews’ of today are comprised of a few disparate groups, some original Hebrews; and the rest are merely ‘posers’.

The current ‘white’ Jews, with blond hair and blue eyes, are descendants of the Khazars who come primarily from northern Europe, and are wholly unrelated to the Hebrews. This lineage simply took on the Jewish religion for their own purposes. However, it will be seen that the Khazars came from an area in which the original Hebrews had crash landed approximately 12000 years ago, but subsequently, moved south into the land now known as Israel.

I will suggest that the true Hebrews still exist, and continue to be persecuted… they are now the Palestinians, as well as other off-shoots of the Hebrew race. Those in Palestine are a People who, through the eons, had taken on the local acceptable religious practices of prior ruling groups, but still retained their ‘identity’, albeit ‘altered’ significantly. It is of interest that the Khazar Jews are systematically eliminating the Hebrews from the region to the point of wiping them out. There’s a reason for this – to establish themselves as the ‘real’ Jews…

Yes, I said crash landed, as All the human races on this planet came from ‘somewhere else’, over a period of approximately 1.35 million years.

This knowledge is available from this site: http://www.galactic.no/rune/thaoeng.html

This account describes some things that may seem ‘unbelievable’ in many respects, but I will attest to it being a true account of the author’s experiences.

There is also this site where you may purchase the book, but there is much more to the story, as can be discerned from the other links on the left.
http://www.thiaoouba.com/tomb.htm

For further support of this narrative, I’ll point to part 7/ chapter 9 where these beings describe intervening in a test done by the NASA. If you check out Wikipedia, or can find the Scientific American article described, you will find this confirmation. near the bottom of the page: http://www.galactic.no/rune/thaoeng6.html

Yes, the Hebrews were ‘chosen’… however they are Not ‘better’ than anyone else. They were chosen to act as an example to other humans, as it was felt that they would faithfully follow the example of Jesus due to their level of spiritual evolution prior to their arrival here on Earth. Unfortunately, they too failed in many ways, and now they have fallen to a most base level, just as many other races have. And, yes, this was by design.

These beings who brought this narrative to us via Michel DesMarquet have been attempting to help humankind for a Long time, but they are restrained in many ways, as described in the book. I am certain that they were part of the group that tried to warn Eisenhower in ’54 about ending atomic development (or possibly through their proxies from the Pleidian star group). This item is noted in Bill Cooper’s lengthy presentation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4TT543uO2M

One item I find quite interesting is that of the first Star Trek episode, actually, the pilot show, with ‘Captain Christopher Pike’, instead of J.T. Kirk. In that episode, Pike and his crew intercept a distress call from the ‘Talos star group, inhabited by the Talosians. It must be noted that a number of people have suggested that Gene Roddenberry had been given a lot of 'inside knowledge', and I feel this is a perfect example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cage_%28Star_Trek%29

Now… where is the Pleidian star cluster located?... in the Taurus (Talos ?) constellation. And what is the name of the race that this book was written for?... Thiaooubans (Talosians?). And, what is the primary aspect of the Talosians?... they can imprint thoughts into other’s minds… Just as the Thiaooubans can, and do. Another aspect is that, in the ‘Production’ part of the Wikipedia notation on this Star Trek episode, you will also note the similarities between how the race was portrayed in the show, and what they Truly are.

As I said, this is just a small part of a greater story.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[161803398]

I had two good Japanese friends who lived in Dhramsala for many years and studied with old Khamthul Rimpoche ( one of the senior teachers of H.H.Dalailama ) who was around 80 that time, I think he's still alive and in good health, re-established his monastery since then and so forth . He was one of the rarest lamas of the Nyigma tradition who made no distinction between peoples nationalities and where they came from , all were welcome in his house for regular 'Tsog' , prayer gatherings, chanted in Tibetan . He was quite particular about the ruler of non-discrimination that posed real challenge to some of the traditional, native Tibetans who were not used to 'outsiders' .

Now, these two Japanese friends left Japan long ago, they were both artists, lived in England and performed on stage music, they sang Beatles and their own songs ..
but left that part of their life behind as well, on Rimpoches advice to 'maintain low profile' .

Once we had something like small Christmas party with different people invited to their home and occasion for chat between us as well, when I 'innocently' remarked how beautiful Japanese culture is .
I'd never expect their reaction at that point .. which in fact was probably a typical example of courteous Japanese morals after all .. in either case, they both turned angry on spot yelling at me : ""We hate Japanese. We do not count ourselves among Japanese anymore and please never say that again in front of us. Japanese are very hard to tolerate. The culture is so full of pretence and hypocrisy and stagnant rules and dogmas that it's not acceptable to 'be Japanese' and feel like free human beings. ''

I understood their point very much. Did not mean to offend them . I likewise hated when someone would associate me with culture or nationality where I did not feel belonging .

I had a Japanese friend who was just like that. She told me her family left Japan when "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down thing came in". Some of the things she told me about her family were so amazingly different than anything I would associate with Japan. She was the youngest in the family and was born in Canada (where her family lived in isolation near Kamloops. B.C.) some time after all the Japanese were put into camps in the 40s. Her father had "seen it coming" and taken them out of Vancouver. Another relative on his way to Kamloops on his bike was stopped and put into a camp. She loved her life in Kamloops. But I remember her telling me about coming home from school with her friends when she was older and having to check the house before letting anyone in because her parents didn't wear clothes in the house. I met one of her brothers who was not even similar to any Japanese person I've ever met. At one point he had gone to South America and was followed by a gang of men with machetes who started chasing him. He ran for a bit and then sat down and started to meditate. The gangsters stopped in their tracks and left him alone. My friend was like that too...magical in many ways, extremely loyal and honest. I have many stories about the things she did that were unlike anything I have ever seen before.

[Agape]

I had a Japanese friend who was just like that. She told me her family left Japan when "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down thing came in". Some of the things she told me about her family were so amazingly different than anything I would associate with Japan. She was the youngest in the family and was born in Canada (where her family lived in isolation near Kamloops. B.C.) some time after all the Japanese were put into camps in the 40s. Her father had "seen it coming" and taken them out of Vancouver. Another relative on his way to Kamloops on his bike was stopped and put into a camp. She loved her life in Kamloops. But I remember her telling me about coming home from school with her friends when she was older and having to check the house before letting anyone in because her parents didn't wear clothes in the house. I met one of her brothers who was not even similar to any Japanese person I've ever met. At one point he had gone to South America and was followed by a gang of men with machetes who started chasing him. He ran for a bit and then sat down and started to meditate. The gangsters stopped in their tracks and left him alone. My friend was like that too...magical in many ways, extremely loyal and honest. I have many stories about the things she did that were unlike anything I have ever seen before.

Amazing. Thanks for sharing the memory ... :angel:

[GreenGuy]

Some humans are certainly more mixed up than some dogs...The Pekingese ( dog ) was said to be ancient cross breed between a lion and marmoset .

Modern geneticist however, claim that their DNA is the closest to Wolves of all known canine breeds .

All dogs are directly linked to wolves through DNA, however the connection is so ancient that a few breeds have evolved in nature with or without early help from man. The dingo is the most distinctive because it evolved in isolation, and it is not friendly to people. Gazehounds from the Middle East became wolfhounds, borzois and greyhounds including the tiny Italian ones. Wolves and coyotes are distinct but occasionally produce a hybrid. What's interesting to me is how rapidly the various man-created breeds revert to type. Feral dogs require no more than two or three generations to produce a generic animal that looks a lot like a coyote.

I have biracial kids, so certain people of my acquaintance wince when they hear me refer to the mutt analogy. But I think the similarity of breeds of dogs to races of people holds. Multiracial people are a lot like mutts - there's the occasional "Dudley," but by nature they tend to be healthy and smart.



And how do you greet a dalmatian , as an undisclosed marmoset .

If you know him well enough, you might sit down and have a talk, and let him know it's okay to come out because all his friends know anyway.

[161803398]

I have to tell this crazy story about my cat Horus, now deceased. I named him Horus after the Egyptian God, Horus. I also called him "The One". I talk cat talk to all my cats, like 'baba baba" "boo boo" etc etc. But whenever Horus sat on me I said the same strange word to him every time (which I could never remember when he wasn't with me) so I finally looked it up....for some reason I thought it was Sanskrit. The word was "Gopa"...a herdsman, it turns out. I thought okay that makes sense...he has a little cowboy blanket, and his favourite catfood is "cowboy cookout' so he's like a little Sanskrit cowboy. Once when he was with me I spoke a whole sentence but we will never know what I said. Recently, an Indian friend and I were talking about Sanskrit (which she was required to take in school and hated) and I was kinda teasing her and said "OH, I used to speak that" and I told her the story about the cowboy blanket and the cat food. Well, she's a bit of a skeptic so she just thought i was being an ass. The next day I saw her and I started talking about it again...explaining about the cowboy cat food etc. She said "there is another meaning you know" I asked her what it was and she said "its God...the shepherd of men..." Well, that stopped me...then I told her about "The One" and why I named him "Horus". I wonder if this story tells us something about the true nature of God. Maybe its just a funny story.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I have to tell this crazy story about my cat Horus, now deceased. I named him Horus after the Egyptian God, Horus. I also called him "The One". I talk cat talk to all my cats, like 'baba baba" "boo boo" etc etc. But whenever Horus sat on me I said the same strange word to him every time (which I could never remember when he wasn't with me) so I finally looked it up....for some reason I thought it was Sanskrit. The word was "Gopa"...a herdsman, it turns out. I thought okay that makes sense...he has a little cowboy blanket, and his favourite catfood is "cowboy cookout' so he's like a little Sanskrit cowboy. Once when he was with me I spoke a whole sentence but we will never know what I said. Recently, an Indian friend and I were talking about Sanskrit (which she was required to take in school and hated) and I was kinda teasing her and said "OH, I used to speak that" and I told her the story about the cowboy blanket and the cat food. Well, she's a bit of a skeptic so she just thought i was being an ass. The next day I saw her and I started talking about it again...explaining about the cowboy cat food etc. She said "there is another meaning you know" I asked her what it was and she said "its God...the shepherd of men..." Well, that stopped me...then I told her about "The One" and why I named him "Horus". I wonder if this story tells us something about the true nature of God. Maybe its just a funny story.

In the book A Miracle in Stone, about the construction of the great pyramid of Giza by the pharaoh Knuum Khufu, the european author talks about a shepherd who lived in the area who was famous for either his saintliness or ability to heal or outlive the norm, not sure what the book said exactly, but I will check it.

Your story rang a bell, because it's documented in a book written over 100 years ago, that a famous shepherd lived in the area during the time the structure was being built.
On top of this, the author claims also that the pharaoh restricted worship of native gods until the pyramid was complete, because the pyramid was to be dedicated to, as you say, "The One True God".

Kind of weird that your cat told you this stuff, but Neil Gaiman wrote about storytelling cats too!
and he knows everything about the mythological that anyone could ever want to know...

[161803398]

In the book A Miracle in Stone, about the construction of the great pyramid of Giza by the pharaoh Knuum Khufu, the european author talks about a shepherd who lived in the area who was famous for either his saintliness or ability to heal or outlive the norm, not sure what the book said exactly, but I will check it.

Your story rang a bell, because it's documented in a book written over 100 years ago, that a famous shepherd lived in the area during the time the structure was being built.
On top of this, the author claims also that the pharaoh restricted worship of native gods until the pyramid was complete, because the pyramid was to be dedicated to, as you say, "The One True God".

How interesting!

[STR]

I think many of you are too caught up. Too close to the forest to see the trees.

Know looking outward that you are not really solid at all. The distance, relatively speaking between your molecules is akin to that of the space between the planets in the heavens. Know that you are indeed a pattern of energy and information, an interference pattern collective of self awareness connected to and interactive with that which is outward perceived in your focus and attention. Realize that which is seen is you, yes, both the observer and that which is observed are the same thing, one organism of desire ready and waiting to readily become any ideal or vision you place upon it because this outward space, it is alive you see? It is you, it is your body like the body you use to manipulate into the outward. And so it goes as you manipulate about into the outward world, co-creating with and of God because you are the manipulative fingers of the one, searching, playing, discovering, learning and growing. This is awakening! This is you!

Like the body that which is the space, consciousness, which is the substance of that space which you witness before you readily responds to the thoughts and impressions you place upon it. Like the body this space is a delicate and plastic instrument for your consciousness to manipulate as you believe. Your key belief systems create the very reality in which you find yourself! You sit in the reality of your own making! Change that belief, perceive of the world in a new way, and instantly the space has changed, just as the body does when it goes from calm to shock, and back to calm again. In that instant all of the space, not just you, has changed. By the nature of this examination of that which is the outward today the space which defines you has indeed changed and by the time you finish this last word you also have indeed now changed. This is what energy does you see? It is all about change, learning and growing, and doing it again to fulfill that which we are.....desire! While the space around you defines you do not forget it is a two way street! You define the space as the space defines you. It is you. Do not forget!

[turiya]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sJmMgMfEZg

turiya :cool:




"You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-UXZ-1ups
Then, to add to the confusion, we have this:
the "Zionist State of Israel" places the "Star of David" on their war planes.
So, WTF is up with that?

http://www.inshad.com/forum/ForumUsersImages/29391493dacc2d0439.jpg

[vilcabamba]

I was born Jewish and I think the whole thing about "the Chosen Ones" is just crap. No higher source is racist and choses one group of people over another as the chosen ones. I don't understand what this means in the bible, but then again, I have found a lot of things in the bible that I don't believe is truth. I think the different ET factions have put in their inputs into the bible, the Greys, Anunaki, Pleaidians..etc. It's like a Wikipedia of history. Just like in Wikipedia I can go in and change some things, then someone else comes in and makes different changes and erases other things. The bible is Wikipedia History book. And the negative forces control both, Wikipedia and the Bible.

[vilcabamba]

You said..."Somehumans are certainly more mixed up than some dogs...The Pekingese ( dog ) was said to be ancient cross breed between a lion and marmoset ."

OH MY GOD! THANK YOU! I was wondering where my pekignese originated from...her monkey face is a marmoset. My pekignese is def. not a dog. She is a cat with a monkey face. Thank you for finally figuring out for me why she didn't act like a dog. It's a marmoset!!

[The Truth Is In There]

there's no "superior" race but races are obviously very different from each other. a simplistic way to describe it, based on the real history and not the mythology that's currently sold as history, would be to say that the germanic race (not all its people, but in general) incorporates the creative and giving principle and the jewish race (again, not all, but those that follow their religion) the destructive and taking principle of nature. from a moralistic point of view you could say one is good and the other is bad but both are a part of creation.

[Cristian]

@mods/admins

Please close this thread . thanks:)

[Sierra]

The Truth is in There:

Your damnation of entire races with your blanket prejudices, might shorten your tenure on Avalon.

Grow up.

Thread closed per OP request.

Sierra