Black Light Power (BLP) Upcoming Live Demo of LENR "Hydrino" Reactor

[jmag0904]

Here's a block quote from a BLP Press Release featured on E-CatWorld:

Our safe, non-polluting power-producing system catalytically converts the hydrogen of the H2O-based solid fuel into a non-polluting product, lower-energy state hydrogen called “Hydrino”, by allowing the electrons to fall to smaller radii around the nucleus. The energy release of H2O fuel, freely available in the humidity in the air, is one hundred times that of an equivalent amount of high-octane gasoline. The power is in the form of plasma, a supersonic expanding gaseous ionized physical state of the fuel comprising essentially positive ions and free electrons that can be converted directly to electricity using highly efficient magnetohydrodynamic converters. Simply replacing the consumed H2O regenerates the fuel. Using readily-available components, BlackLight has developed a system engineering design of an electric generator that is closed except for the addition of H2O fuel and generates ten million watts of electricity, enough to power ten thousand homes. Remarkably, the device is less than a cubic foot in volume. To protect its innovations and inventions, multiple worldwide patent applications have been filed on BlackLight’s proprietary technology.

This breakthrough transformational power technology can be witnessed in a live demonstration hosted by BlackLight of on January 28th at 11 AM. Details and updates will be posted at the company website (http://www.blacklightpower.com/). Those interested in attending can contact BlackLight to preregister for this limited availability event.

I am glad to see this announcement, but at the same time I am cynical of BLP who has been in the business of empty promises for over 20 years. Randall Mills is a brilliant man, and the hydrino if proven correct may alter physics as we know it, but unfortunately they have been all PR and fundraising for decades without a damn thing to show for it in the marketplace. Decide for yourself, but keep your fingers crossed either way. Regards.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

While i follow their work since 2000, and was very excited about the technology back then, much has changed in my POV. BLP, like E-CAT or any LENR technology is not Free Energy. It is just more compact and less polluting but no fuelless. It still implies hauling some matter from place to place and building some ground bound infrastructure and spoiling the landscape.

E-CAT uses nickel. BLP uses water. IF they succeed, both commodities become energy carriers and their worldwide stores become strategic and protected areas. There will be wars for nickel and wars for water. Nickel is used in many daily use items: doorknobs, keys, water faucets, tableware. If nickel becomes fuel prices will go up since all the supply will go to energy corporations. Water as fuel will have same results as gas from food. Expect water reservoirs to be privatized and fenced. But it's already happening. Imagine what would happen to the most water deprived regions of the world... I hope i am wrong if BLP gets the green light because despite all of the above its potential is BIG.

The ultimate solution to our artificially induced "energy crisis" is to stop suppressing"fuelless" technology for direct conversion of quantum vacuum energy (aka Zero Point Energy). Everything else is just more of the same done wearing a different yoke. Maybe slightly more comfortable and lighter but still a yoke.

EDIT:
12,000 amperes (http://www.blacklightpower.com/press/011414-2/) needed to start the SF-CIHT reaction troubles me... It implies the need for an arc welder for spot welding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welding_power_supply
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_welding
It's rather bulky and we will need it every time we want to switch the BLP power generator unit on. And with what will we power the arc welder on? Of course! Electricity... Where will we get the electricity if we are off the grid? From gasoline generator, wind turbine or solar cells?

We could use a battery bank or super capacitor, but they tend to discharge/deteriorate over time if not used.... Much to overcome here on the practical side of using this tech for us common folk...

EDIT #2:
and it is
Using a proprietary water-based solid fuel confined by two electrodes of a SF-CIHT cell
and since
The fuel can be continuously fed into the electrodes to continuously output powerit means the fuel is used up and needs to be stored somewhere around in yet to be announced quantities.
Source: http://www.blacklightpower.com/press/011414-2/

EDIT #3:
Patenting/licensing this technology also troubles me much... So this is not for the benefit of humanity but rather for profit... Might end bad for BLP...
Did you know that inventor of polar fleece intentionally declined to patent it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_fleece#History

[Nick Matkin]

...and generates ten million watts of electricity, enough to power ten thousand homes. Remarkably, the device is less than a cubic foot in volume.

Interesting. Firstly I'm assuming the device generates 10MW as direct current. But at what voltage? If it's a high voltage at relatively low current, something only a foot across is very unlikely to have sufficient insulation properties to prevent the cables from arching over, even if they come out at opposite sides of the case. I guess we can assume they won't short out inside the device because they are using some as-yet-unknown to science insulating material.

On the other hand, if 10MW is being generated at relatively low voltage and high current, the cables connecting to it are likely to be up to a foot or so in diameter!

To distribute 10MW to peoples' homes, it will need to be converted to 50 or 60 Hz AC. Not an insurmountable problem (it's done on large-scale solar generating plants), but will be much bigger than the one-foot cube, unless there is some more magic technology they have up their sleeve.

Perhaps I've made some incorrect assumptions about the device, if so perhaps someone could correct me. If not, I think these questions need answering before I believe the claims. I hope this is a bona fide website and genuine achievement, but unfortunately they appear not to have bothered including a video demonstrating a working device - even a small one.

Sorry to piss on the parade folks, but impressive technical claims need impressive scientific proof. Fingers crossed this time...

Nick

Note: 10MW to 10,000 homes is only 1kW per home. Fine if you don't cook, or heat much with electricity.

[jmag0904]

E-CAT uses nickel. BLP uses water. IF they succeed, both commodities become energy carriers and their worldwide stores become strategic and protected areas. There will be wars for nickel and wars for water. Nickel is used in many daily use items: doorknobs, keys, water faucets, tableware. If nickel becomes fuel prices will go up since all the supply will go to energy corporations. Water as fuel will have same results as gas from food. Expect water reservoirs to be privatized and fenced. But it's already happening. Imagine what would happen to the most water deprived regions of the world... I hope i am wrong if BLP gets the green light because despite all of the above its potential is BIG.

The Nickel breaks down rather slowly and is not consumed at nearly the same rate as standard fuels nowadays, so I think your fears are a bit off base. Also CF-LENR has the capability of desalinating sea water, or any variety of tepid water, thereby discounting the potential inevitability of water shortages or "water wars" as it were. The trend to privatize water is already well under way and CF-LENR will not be the key factor that makes or breaks that struggle. CF-LENR is the bridge technology between the mess we have now and our quantum vacuum economy 100 years (or more) down the line. CF-LENR will open people up to knew ideas concerning energy production. It is a necessary step in our evolution as a species, even if imperfect, and for all intents and purposes the fuel is "infinite", just messier and less dense than tapping ambient space.


The ultimate solution to our artificially induced "energy crisis" is to stop suppressing"fuelless" technology for direct conversion of quantum vacuum energy (aka Zero Point Energy). Everything else is just more of the same done wearing a different yoke. Maybe slightly more comfortable and lighter but still a yoke.

I agree. I have stated this exact thing in other threads. Be that as it may the problem w/ vacuum energy goes beyond suppression. People think this field is much further along and ready for commercialization than it really is. For example Jean Manning and Joel Garbon made a good analogy when they wrote vacuum technology is quite real, but at a development stage that mirrors the first years of flight or electricity. So I wouldn't expect them to be fully developed and understood enough for at least another 50-100 years. With that said there are many great examples of technologies around nowadays (Bedini, Correas, Searl, Yildiz, Shoulders), but they are the minority and it this point not mass replicable by any known standard. The materials and design of these things truly deserves the term "exotic". Even Gene Mallove said he encountered countless deluded people in the field, but he knew a good device when he saw one (i.e the Correa PAGD Motor).

[jmag0904]

To distribute 10MW to peoples' homes, it will need to be converted to 50 or 60 Hz AC. Not an insurmountable problem (it's done on large-scale solar generating plants), but will be much bigger than the one-foot cube, unless there is some more magic technology they have up their sleeve.

Perhaps I've made some incorrect assumptions about the device, if so perhaps someone could correct me. If not, I think these questions need answering before I believe the claims. I hope this is a bona fide website and genuine achievement, but unfortunately they appear not to have bothered including a video demonstrating a working device - even a small one. Sorry to piss on the parade folks, but impressive technical claims need impressive scientific proof. Fingers crossed this time...

Nick you're quite right. Like I said in my opening post you're right to be skeptical about these claims. Not pathologically skeptical of course, but adopt a wait and see approach. Your concerns in regards to the size of the technology in comparison to the thermal output is spot on; it seems to make no sense whatsoever. I chalk this up to the fact that the claims are likely not as wonderful as advertised and was clearly written by a PR person.

BLP seems to be trying to make a splash because Rossi has made waves lately. Well BLP has had 20 years to get their product out to no avail. I know they likely have something that's a real and useful technology, but I also think they are not totally reliable and use smoke and mirrors at the same time.

Anyone who gets pissed off at what you say is not thinking straight.

Regards,
John

[jmag0904]

Here's a recent interview that Sterling Allan managed to put together with BLP founder Randall Mills. As far as I know, there are no other interviews of Mills up on the net, so this is a rare glimpse into how Randall Mills presents himself and explains his company's pursuits. Enjoy:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuzlyu4czYs

[Nick Matkin]

Hi jmag and thanks for posting. I'll listen later today. But I do hope it's not yet another "prototype to be released soon" type story. These things are always "nearly ready for public demonstration" or "just being finalised for mas production" or similar.

All they need to do is get one of the damn things working and shove it on prime-time TV. That shouldn't be a problem; there are plenty of Youtube clips of "revolutionary" energy devices shown on news bulletins - some even claiming to be "free". News bulletins will show this stuff, even if it gets the "..and finally..." type whimsical treatment.

Perhaps the Powers That Be only allow the hoaxters and nutters to get on TV, and anything that REALLY works is kept well hidden...

Anyway, I'll watch and report back - now I've got to get my car filled with petrol!

Nick

[Nick Matkin]

Well, for what my opinion is worth:

If one cubic foot can produce 10 MW and he sees each home having one, great. But we need only about 5 to 10 kW per home. I guess he can make them that small?

"Tremendous loss transmitting AC then back to DC in the home for electric motors." Wrong and wrong.

Try distributing power to a city (or even a small town) using DC and see how far you get. Edison found out the hard way and Tesla knew the answer, i.e. use AC.

Motors in washing machines, etc. are AC (or universal series-wound AC or DC, but they never get to operate on DC because the mains is AC.) These fact aren't difficult to check and anyone with a passing familiarity with physics should know this stuff. Someone like Randy Mills of Black Light Power for example...

It would be perfectly feasible to run a home or group of homes on DC, but most appliances would need to be changed. Incandescent bulbs, kettles and simple electric fires wouldn't know the difference, but everything else is designed to operate on AC.

But what voltage would you use? Lighting would be fine on say 12V, but try operating an oven or washing machine on 12 volts! Possible, but impractical (Ohm's law and all that). OK, we'll use 150V DC. But to get to low voltage for lighting the easiest way is to turn it back into AC, transform it down and return to DC. You see - AC already has advantages.

But if the power is that cheap, a few losses converting into AC to run the 'legacy appliances' and overcome other problems would be the answer.

The few electric motors found in cars are DC, correct. Because car electrics runs from a battery being continuously charged.

If it's all 'off the shelf' technology, I'm surprised no one got there first. But to be honest, if his claims of power density are true, then why hasn't military commandeered the technology?

Sorry, still sceptical. The stuff about dark energy didn't lend credibility either. But I'm not assuming he's just another fraud. Let's wait and see, although not wait too long.

And come on folks, surely there are others on the forum with qualifications in physics who could contribute to this subject?

Nick

[jmag0904]

Nick,

Thank you for that insight. Likewise, his mention of dark matter made my eyes roll. I would agree that Mills and BLP are the least credible of the CF-LENR commercial players (i.e. Rossi, DGT, Brillouin). Time will tell.

Regards,
John

[nevermnd]

Monday came and gone. I can't find any links to the live demo.
Another missed deadline?

[jmag0904]

Monday came and gone. I can't find any links to the live demo.
Another missed deadline?

It did actually happen. Here is a report from one of the folks who attended yesterday. As far as my understanding goes more information will be forthcoming in the coming weeks:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/report-from-the-blacklight-power-demonstration/

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Demo video will be uploaded "soon"...
Source: http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new/

(...)1/29/14 Demonstration of the High Energy SF CIHT Technology Full length Presentation (uploading soon), (2 hours 15 minutes)(...)
Stay tuned...

[WhiteFeather]

Seems like the demo went ok. Lets keep our fingers crossed on thus device. Looks promising and perhaps doable. Maybe Godzilla (The Elite Energy Corporation Monster) is getting weak.

Thanks for the link to the demo OP: http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/01/report-from-the-blacklight-power-demonstration/


There were about 65 to 70 people present. There was no opportunity for a meet and greet. I did not know most of the attendees, but there were representatives from chemical and engineering firms present as well as OEMs and major investment banks. I am not sure of the extent of media present. There were no TV cameras, but there was a video being taken. Many people were taking notes, but I don’t think there was a lot of mainstream media there. I think the presentation was geared more towards developing interest among potential licensees and partners rather than media. Media will come in time.
Randy stated that the SF-CIHT results have been validated by four outside groups, but only one spoke at the meeting. That validator was from Rowan University so I am sure that many of the critics will dismiss his comments out of hand. Whatever. I tend to believe people who actually view the experiments and study the results rather than simply post negative comments on the Internet. The validator unequivocally confirmed the reported results from the newly developed SF-CIHT cell and stated it was a “game changer”. I thought one interesting moment was when the validator was asked whether he believed in hydrinos. His answer was something to the effect that this wasn’t a matter of belief, but about experimental results and that he was confident in the results.

The demonstrations were instantaneous bursts with input and output measured by established commercial devices including waterbath calorimetry. Continuous operation was not demonstrated so skeptics will likely be dismissive of the results. Randy spent some time explaining plans for achieving continuous operation. While there are some engineering issues ahead, the energy outputs are so astounding that there should be multiple ways to make useful devices.
While I have seen some comments that BLP rushed this demo because of recent developments relating to Rossi, such commenters obviously don’t know Randy. Randy is going to do things on his time and nobody else’s. He is not concerned with Rossi and, from second hand reports I have heard, BLP does not view Rossi as competition because they do not think his experiments are professionally done and do not believe that he is accurately measuring energy input and output.
My overall impression is that this demo was put together because, after many years of slow but steady progress, Blacklight has made recent, dramatic improvements in the energy densities. I think Randy believes the results are unassailable and irrefutable. My sense is that yesterday was the first step in what will be an evolving, more visible presence for Blacklight as they continue to advance the technology.

[Robert J. Niewiadomski]

Demo video will be uploaded "soon"...
Source: http://www.blacklightpower.com/whats-new/

(...)1/29/14 Demonstration of the High Energy SF CIHT Technology Full length Presentation (uploading soon), (2 hours 15 minutes)(...)
Stay tuned...Demo video has been uploaded... Link above...

WhiteFeather, while cheaper and cleaner than fosssil/fission fuels or direct solar energy, BLP technology is far from being free. It requires maintenance and suporting infrastructure. MHD superconducting coils (which "extract" electricity from low temperature plasma in BLP generator) require liquid nitrogen and liquid helium. Just like MRI scanner. Cryogenic agents need to be constantly replaced as they tend to evaporate from their containers. And you can't just store them in some backup tank. Unless BLP power plant comes with it's own cryogenic production line. Adding to the complexity of the infrastructure. The control of energy from BLP system stays in Godzilla hands imho :( The only benefit is less environmental polution :) And sc "energy crisis" mostly banished... Untill we run out of water on Earth. If nobody figures out how to mine ice asteroids zipping around Solar System.