How lucky do you feel? (The cost of fighting global warming)

[miqeel]

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Enough said.

[jagman]

Below are 2 different images of the Arctic ice taken almost one year
apart. It's a scientific fact that there's more ice on the planet right
now not less and if you dont believe me ask the global warming
scientists that were stranded a few weeks ago in the ice.lol
I will hedge my bet on that.

[risveglio]

What is option A? Do we know what is option A? I know giving millions to the government is really going to be option B, but some of us will feel good about it.

[Frederick Jackson]

Factor in that the petroleum based economy is not going to last many more years. We may be already past peak production, and such stopgap measures as the tar sands XL pipeline will only delay the inevitable. So do we use the last of our petroleum, gas and coal to possibly drive the planet into a death spiral (one year's difference in arctic sea ice cover notwithstanding; for example, see http://www.the-cryosphere-discuss.net/6/2827/2012/tcd-6-2827-2012.pdf) or do we use these fossil fuels wisely to move to a sustainable energy economy. It is more of a no brainer than suggested here in this video. If we continue on our present course we are doomed by societal collapse from a petroleum shortage with or without global warming. See this compelling presentation: G396JRzv0Pw

So there is really no happy cell in the matrix. We go into economic and social collapse if we continue on the present course of doing nothing whether or no the climate goes to hell. It is a question of whether we are going to lose maybe half a billion or maybe some five billion lives (my guesstimates).

But five billion dead is not the worst of it. Imagine a very real scenario, that AFTER BILLIONS DIE FROM DISRUPTED CLIMATES in a warming world THE OCeANiC CONVEYOR BELT STOPS because of the fresh water over-flooding the N. Atlantic drift current and WE RETURN TO AN ICE AGE. This should get the population down by 98-99% I should think. And it should elicit a smirk from the climate change deniers, at least for the few years they will have before hell freezes over.

[T Smith]

What is option A? Do we know what is option A? I know giving millions to the government is really going to be option B, but some of us will feel good about it.

Allow me to expand on that. Option A will entail giving millions, billions, even trillions to the government, presumably to some world authority that will proceed to execute the greatest and most impressive heist in human history in the name of regulating and taxing every last facet of human behavior (presumably) responsible for climate change. Forget about a Great Depression or catastrophic economic hardship. The author is misinformed about the "worse case scenario" in his column A. We are talking about altering the very social order. We are talking about ushering in a brutally oppressive neo-feudalism (albeit earth friendly) economic model that will make the Dark Ages look like an era of luxury and hedonism by comparison.

If the people fall for an "option A" (duh, who doesn't want to save the earth?), it will be the most brilliant shakedown ever conceived by criminal masterminds in human history, widening the divide between the uber-rich and everybody else, further impoverishing and enslaving the human species, and which will really be nothing (in terms of climate change) but option B.

In short, there is no option A, save for a pretext to masquerade as an authority in the know about how to fix the problem. This authority, in reality, will know little but how to dupe the masses with fear so to extract what little wealth and liberty we serfs have left.

Even if anthropogenic climate change were real and a genuine threat to the planet (for sake of argument) it would be most foolish and ill advised to empower an organized crime syndicate to address the problem.

But hey, if there was even a remote chance of so-called anthropogenic climate change being real and a genuine threat to the planet (and I would bet the ranch that same organized crime syndicate knows full well no such threat exists), the energy cartel currently enslaving us and controlling the very variables of the argument could simply allow us humans to go the Tesla route. Problem solved. This would halt in its tracks any so-called nasty things we humans are doing to alter the climate. This would do nothing less than save plantation Earth from inevitable doom and we'd all be happy.

But then again, what good is the plantation without any slaves?

[miqeel]

Below are 2 different images of the Arctic ice taken almost one year
apart. It's a scientific fact that there's more ice on the planet right
now not less and if you dont believe me ask the global warming
scientists that were stranded a few weeks ago in the ice.lol
I will hedge my bet on that.

That is most correct, the global warming as it is sold to us (which is increase in average global temperature due to human activity), is rather not true.
However, the climate change, which is a deviation from common climatic patterns is becoming more and more apparent.

And it is climate change, not global warming that should worry us. What if in a few years, hurricanes like Sandy will be the lease powerful? Or tornadoes start showing up in mainland Europe as often as in US? Not to mention flooding, and change of the time of weather seasons (Crucial for farming).

I would also agree, that the solution proposed in the video is rather irresponsible, particular in situation when the goverments are corrupt, like ours are.

So, what can we do?

I would say, that being conscious of the chance of the negative outcome, while making day to day decisions could be important. Reduce, recycle, reuse, etc. Go green, go local, and most importantly educate other people.

[rgray222]

There has never been an open and honest debate about global warming. Governments have funded research, if the research finds in favor of global warming more studies from the same companies and education institutions are authorized and paid for. If a company or university find that global warming does not exist studies are immediately shut down and those institutions lose any chance of additional grant money. Anyone that cares to do a a little research can put their hands on this type of information fairly easily.

Governments want global warming to be real, they already attempted to implement cap and trade taxes,put in place carbon offset programs and essentially tax people not only on carbon usage but on weather. The media has supported this from day one, consequently we read nothing but pro global warming articles.

The media cannot control the weather but they can put a complete news blackout on weather stories. The western part of the United States was hit very early this year with severe cold weather and we did not hear anything in mainstream media about it. The scientist that got stuck a few weeks ago in the arctic ice were there to report that the ice is melting at record levels. This was an embarrassment to the media, they reported on the story but made no mention of global warming. It was as if the ship being stuck in the ice and global warming were two entirely different stories, not tied together in any way whatsoever.

Virtually every story in the mainstream media on global warming uses words like, may, might, suspected, forecasted........there is no real science behind these global warming stories.

This video clearly admits that there is no real science to prove that global warming is real. His premise is "its like buying a lottery ticket" and hoping that you win. Well that is not good enough to ask taxpayers around the world to fund unproven science. Lets get the scientist together on both sides and have an open, honest and transparent debate. Let's let people decide who is playing politics and who is being honest.

If global warming turns out to be a real threat to our planet than people will do whatever is necessary to solve the problem, without real science and honest debate it only it only forces people further apart.

[Mad Hatter]

I see some here are still enjoying the confines of Plato's cave... :rolleyes:

Wonder what the price tag (based on the precautionary principle of course) for stopping our local star going super nova will be put at? :pound:

The longer term view nailed at precisely 3:45 :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8HP1WzbDk

*MH wanders off to investigate the share price of cotton wool producers*