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bogeyman
19th January 2014, 07:50
"Barack Obama called for an end to the NSA's warrantless collection of telephone metadata of Americans during a speech yesterday, but his words will be completely meaningless given that the president has broken virtually every promise he's ever made."

http://www.alternews.co.uk/2014/01/why-obamas-dubious-promise-to-end-nsa.html#.UtuDLbBFCUl

Rollo
19th January 2014, 10:24
Government is not bound by morality by today's cultural standards and Mr Obama has monopoly on lies.
Would be naive to believe that this time he is telling the truth.

13th Warrior
19th January 2014, 14:59
Can you believe there used to be threads on this site defending him and calling him a light worker...

MariaDine
19th January 2014, 15:11
Very «Enlightening» ...lol

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/18/nsa-whistleblowers-obama-administration-misleading-on-surveillance-programs/

Operator
19th January 2014, 16:06
GulASARx4CQ

Start at 49:00 and listen to Linda Moulton Howe. She says that in September 2013 the new huge Utah data center
was opened. They didn't open that to just not use it now.

ghostrider
19th January 2014, 17:36
When Obama says he will end spying on citizens , the translation is he will increase spying on everyone ... they always do the opposite of what they say ... always ...this is one reason we need TERM LIMITS on all government employees ... eight years on everyone , just like the president , you can't serve anymore , in any office ... all the representatives that should have looked out for us , have blood on their hands ...they are fired ... your gonna hear me say it this year more and more , TERM LIMITS , AND SALARY CAPS ... I will help create the kind of government we should have ... the playhouse has run wild long enough ...

Carmody
19th January 2014, 18:27
Actually, more than term limits.

to accept public office in the first place, should have a rider, that any form of corporate connection or corporate work in the time after office, that involves any form of government connection, is illegal, and punishable by not less than 10 years in jail, and a minimum of a $1millon fine to confiscation of all properties, assets, trust funds, etc. with no potential for reduced sentences.

Lobbying needs to be made illegal, with a minimum sentence and fine as above, for each individual occurrence and all times to be irreversibly served consecutively. With no potential for reduced sentences in the case of any charge where the defendant is found guilty.

No statute of limitations on either condition.

To make corporations, banks, whomever, irrevocably separate from government on all levels and connections, as much as possible..., as when they collude, this is known as fascism. Make the point clear, that the creeping and nearly open fascism has to end.

Close the loopholes. this is about service to the public and it's conditions have to be met with equal intent, as the danger to the group is great. Great danger, strong conditions to be met, and severe penalties for infraction.

To serve for the people, in office, and to be found in contempt of that, is to lose one's past, their current life, and their future....which is the risk the population is taking when allowing someone the opportunity to be in service to the people.

If one cannot accept those potential risks involved in infraction, then don't attempt to run for office.

The official political investigative initiation committee, would be run by the population, via the mechanism of lottery in each state (distilling the chances for fraud in committee selection, to a minimum level), and then lottery/votes by the public. This all done on paper, with all records and paper kept intact for a minimum of 10 years.

Close the loopholes.

Note that this means that probably..oh... 50,000 or more people in Washington DC, right now, would be in jail for life, with no hope of reduced sentences, parole... and if they ever get out, to be destitute and starting from scratch, even if they are 80 years old.

Right where their games have put the public.

Never mind the rest of the people around the country who would also be rounded up for their part in stripping democratic rights and past energy (funds, savings, resources, etc) current life (economy crushed from the misdeeds) and future life (potentials for the future, in all ways) from the people. might be another 100,000 people there, for sure.

They could work for the private corporations that have moved into owning the prisons, while in jail, but those corporations would be gone, as that is also a government collusion operation run amok.