Free energy devices

[anonymous]

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[sheme]

An obvious natural force I have though this was a great source of power since I was a child, I know nothing about free energy science, but I will wish you all the success in the world.

[chancy]

Hello David Micheal:
Excellent thread! Not sure if you have looked at Thomas H. Moray's work but it's one of the few that have been posted in the past that actually work.
There are supposedly a few of these units in north america working however I have never been able to track them down.
Once you read his work it does make sense and a smart fellow like yourself would be able to duplicate it easily I am sure!
When you make one let me know since I am very interested.
Have a great day!
chancy

Here is a link to information on Thomas H. Moray

http://www.rexresearch.com/moray2/morayrer.htm

[anonymous]

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[GlassSteagallfan]

For starters, learn about rocket stoves and the Bedini SG. Rocket Mass Heaters use 80% less wood to heat the same space as a conventional wood stove, reducing your fuel bill by 80%. The Bedini SG 'Energizer' is a battery charger (using lead acid batteries) that will desulfate an already existing dead battery to better than new condition. Some basic skills are needed to build one. Using enough junk batteries, you can eliminate your electric bill.

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[TargeT]

I revealed the secret of "exotic matter" but not just the other day on the Pegasus forum. I gave the secret away a long time ago. It wasn't truly a secret though. In a way it is because most people don't know. Even those who know have been brainwashed so that they can't see it for what it is. For example, plasmas have a temperature which is NEGATIVE absolute kelvin. Zero degrees kelvin is supposed to be the coldest possible temperature. But plasmas are negative absolute kelvin. That means they are in a reverse time state. The scientists who know plasmas are in a negative absolute kelvin temperature range are taught that this means superhot instead of supercold so they lose sight of the reality. Plasmas have other properties which should prove they are in a negative energy state, such as the fact that they have negative resistance meaning that as current begins to flow through them resistance will decrease as will the current increase as a result until the current demand exceeds the power supply. But most people just can't see it.

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Oh and the reference provided...
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/182378/electret

Plasma's are generaly pretty damn hot, like really really hot.... Very high temperatures are usually needed to sustain ionization, which is a defining feature of a plasma. The degree of plasma ionization is determined by the "electron temperature" relative to the ionization energy (and more weakly by the density), in a relationship called the Saha equation. At low temperatures, ions and electrons tend to recombine into bound states—atoms[—and the plasma will eventually become a gas.

even "cold" plasma's have a very very high electron temp, like thousands of degrees.


as for the rest,, what the hell is he talking about? haha...

I dunno, that's a pretty big mistake on plasma temps

[anonymous]

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[Nick Matkin]

Also, curious if anyone knew about the microphone electrets this guy mentioned...

Electret microphones are probably the most common type of microphones found in non-professional communications/sound equipment.

They are cheap and very reliable - I use one most days. They contain a plastic membrane which has a permanent electrostatic charge which varies when vibrated by sound.

The charge is tiny and of almost infinite impedance, so there's no point thinking of joining hundreds of them up will make an everlasting battery!

If I understood you correctly in your OP, you mentioned using off-set permanent magnets to make rotating wheels. I've seen videos claiming to do this. What is never stated is how long it takes for the magnets to demagnetize, which they will do eventually, and the harder they 'work' the faster they will demagnetise. But is it days, weeks or longer?

Thanks,

Nick

[anonymous]

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[anonymous]

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[anonymous]

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[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I cannot find the video about this but negative Kelvin temperatures are not cold. Quite the opposite would be the case.

The video presentation I saw was a theoretical one and they were making the point that, contrary to what you would expect, a negative temperature would not be cold.

And if such temperature could be reached some intresting thins would happen to matter.

The people in that video made quite clear that in their mind negative temp was not possible, but theorized what would happen if it did. A negative Kelvin temperature would behave more like the imaginary number "i" and so it is a bit difficult to say if it would be cold or hot. The math they were trying out showed a high energy system and what crossed my mind while watching was: heck, if negative temps would be possible they would have a free energy machine on their hands. So I am surprised to read that in the OP as well.

I know this a poorly written post, without proper references, but I just want to point out that negative Kelvin temp is not necessarily incompatible with plasma, and a temp "below" absolute zero would be quite hot. A poor analogy would be like crossing the sound barrier or the speed of light barrier. Once you cross the absolute zero barrier, in theory at least, some changes happen with matter.

PS: correction Apparently negative kelvin temperatures are used and the video below gives lasers as examples.

[Ilie Pandia]

Ah, i was able to find it!!!

Negative Kelvin Temperatures are HOT (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yTeBUpR17Rw)

Worth the watch and it comes in support of the claims in the OP.

Hopefully I understood the math and these guys are not goofing around :)

[Nick Matkin]

Very interesting video - if rather chaotic!

OK, it was just a video taken of a demo, but it looked genuine. But no hint of how it works. So he doesn't want to give the details away. Fine, but how about a hint? I suspect neodymium magnets set so as to repel in a circular motion. Sounds plausible. But how long will they do that for? Hours? Days? Weeks?

Presumably the aim is to connect an AC generator and generate some power. But put a torque or load on the magnets and how long will they last then? The web is full of this stuff but that particular question is never answered... Hopefully someone on the forum can answer it.

Magnets do not generate power without motion. To state the obvious, motion requires the input of power. A static permanent magnet is not a power source and anyway, it will eventually demagnetise. Make it do some 'work' and it will demagnetize faster. Providing the power you generate more than pays for the cost of replacing the magnets, you have a viable product, but I suspect that is not possible or we'd be reading how to make one in "Popular Mechanics"!

Nick

[TargeT]

Read the posts by Red Orbs

like this one http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46312-Tap-on-Tap-off-the-tapper.

or
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65079-Additional-Information-about-Magnetic-Current
or
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?58241-The-Energy-Delusion-The-Technology-For-a-New-Future&p=667236#post667236
etc...
I think what he is onto is much more realistic than some magnetic wheel contraption.

[TargeT]

Ah, i was able to find it!!!

Negative Kelvin Temperatures are HOT (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yTeBUpR17Rw)

Worth the watch and it comes in support of the claims in the OP.

Hopefully I understood the math and these guys are not goofing around :)

bashar channeling? is that the video you meant to link?

ok, so I watched the (fixed) video.. pretty interesting, based on what he said I dunno, I mean plasma is pretty special, the 4th state of matter 'n all, it has some crazy properties.

it seems that plasma's have pretty well known temperatures (though of course they are kind of theoretical, it's not like they stick a thermometer into a stream of plasma)

I had not heard about negative K or the concept of it before this, so I'll retract my earlier statement, it seems possible (though not probable).

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

I have fixed the link. Apparently did not copy paste properly :). Thanks for spotting.

[anonymous]

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[WhiteFeather]

Your quote from top post. "First holds 3, then 6, then 9",
Nikola Tesla had quite an interest in this sequence as well.
"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iCiF4AY-GU

[Tesseract]

David, the person who's text you pasted into the OP does not know what he is talking about when it comes to electrets - he knows just enough, nothing more than a wikipedia level of knowledge, to make people listen - like so many energy charlatans out there. I will post more later. As far as my own credentials go, I am a scientist with several years experience with dielectric systems, have designed electrets, and have volume 1 of the electret bible sitting not two feet from me as I type.

the bible:

http://www.amazon.com/Electrets-3rd-Edition-Two-Volumes/dp/1885540078/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390349443&sr=8-1&keywords=electrets+third+edition

[TargeT]

I am not disagreeing, other than the word 'realistic'. I have seen 'above top secret' sort of technology that was a magnetic wheel contraption... so it is very real. Can I make one? Maybe, maybe not.[COLOR="red"]
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what exactly did you see though?

the mind is a funny thing, it can fill in data where data is missing to meet it's expectations.


I know anti gravity is possible ("gravity shielding" is probably a more accurate term), I know (mathematically at least) cold fusion is possible and I'm starting to learn more about magnetism and how it appears to be stored momentum, and it's field can be amplified endlessly (which in itself can be used as a way to create power if you think about it).

but I've never seen anything that actually works and claims to harness these things, and I spent quite a while poking around the Free Energy rabbit holes before I got tired of it.

[Tesseract]

Just on the electrets topic, electrets are not really meant to be discharged – that’s the whole point and the one thing they all have in common (there are many electret materials and many polarisation techniques). If you wanted a discharge function you would use a capacitor. You can buy capacitors, even high voltage ones, at any electrical components store quite easily. A good electret should not discharge even if ‘short circuited’. You don’t take a bunch of electrets strung together and use them like a battery pack, that really is quite the piss take.

Now, if the temperature is raised, the relaxation of electrical dipoles within molecules and mobility of any discreet internal charges will speed up, and discharge will occur. This behaviour, known as thermally stimulated discharge, is generally Arrhenius in nature. Even when warm temperatures are applied the discharge currents are of the order of pico amperes, which requires special equipment to even measure. It’s certainly not enough to do any work with. Even if the voltage is close to the maximum as defined by the breakdown limit of the material, the power would still be very low.

And as for free energy, when an electret is discharged, you are only recovering the energy that was installed during the initial polarisation when the electret was manufactured. I don’t know exactly how much energy that generally is, but you are talking micro or nano coulombs of charge per cm^2 on the electret's surface, or micro coulombs of charge per cm^3 for space charge in the volume of the electret. To put that in perspective, a lithium battery the size of your thumb moves about 10 000 coulombs of charge per cycle, albeit at 4 V.

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[Mad Hatter]

Truly sorry I cannot find the source for this (may have been beerdon) as it was too long ago but a tip I came across for reading the peer review literature regarding FE... you will quite often find "cross sectional anomaly" used as a substitute for the term "over unity"... why? grant funding and all that ;-)

From the OP I take it you have seen http://www.searlsolution.com/ as what you propose seems similar although the counter rotation aspect is more reminiscent of Otis Carrs stuff.

This is a friend of a friend of mine... http://www.mgt.com.au/index.php?pageId=6923 and he has had more than a few uni professors stumped by using one DC motor to drive 4 others using his magnetic coupling approach. Although not free energy it provides a magnification of output(work) they just cannot explain. He has given up showing that off as it is detrimental to the business as a whole.

I was assisting my friend with development of the MGT-60 http://www.mgt.com.au/index.php?pageId=6925 trying to improve the electronics (PWM etc) so it would run on less panels but this gives you the concept for coupling four motors to run off one...

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[Strat]

It sounds interesting! Pics would be fantastic, I was working on something similar a while ago but it's kinda on the back burner now.

[alh02]

Hi David,

I recently came across the following PDF document while conducting some internet research on FE devices... thought you might find it helpful/useful.

Doesn't look like I can embed it into this post though, due to forum restrictions on file size.

So, here's a link instead: Practical Guide To Free Energy Devices (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/PJKbook.pdf)

It's quite comprehensive, complete with diagrams, schematics, photos etc... hopefully it will give you a few ideas to work with.

Best of luck with your tinkering! :)

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You might also find this to be a useful point of reference: Practical Guide To Free Energy Devices (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/)

[Sirius White]

Yes you can extract energy out of thin air, or the vacuum.

But just remember- it's not really "free."

Yes, "negative energy" and "negative entropy" is absolutely possible. The existence of virtual energies (and photons) is already proven. Couple of folks won nobel peace prize for discovering broken symmetry in the 50's.


Beareden describes this in a couple places.

Apparently, on a VERY basic level, broken symmetry is the key to free energy, or extraction from the vacuum. But instead of Klein geometry, use Leyton's geometry. When the symmetry gets broken, it doesn't dissolve into chaos, or lose information, it re-arranges into a higher order, or symmetry. In Leyton geometry, basically "shape = memory storage."

This is true for living systems too. Information is contained in the vacuum as it is in the electromagnetic interactions in your body across the semi-conductive liquid crystal properties of your cells. Also, your cells interact with the vacuum, just like these "free energy systems" due too, how do you think you get "prana" or "chi" when you meditate or how breatherians live without physical food? Although the latter is far more complex than just extracting energy from vacuum. Other factors include "plasma" in the body under certain conditions, sonobioluminesence, and bioluminesence (biophotons).

Overunity state, is also possible in a human being. Although, it is usually very short lived.