Pope's PEACE DOVES attacked !

[Bob]

BBC reports that the Peace Doves released by the Pope were "attacked" by a Crow and a Seagull


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72532000/jpg/_72532713_020791542-1.jpg

There are many different interpretations of what the totem of the Crow and the Seagull mean..

Earlier we had talked about what the prophecy of the death of Sharon's body would be, the significance of the two blood red moons, and the death of two world leaders.. Others have asked in the thread, who will be the other "leader" ?

"A seagull and a crow swept down on the doves after they were set free from the Apostolic Palace during the Pope's weekly Angelus prayer.

"Tens of thousands of people watched as one dove struggled to break free.

"But the crow pecked repeatedly at the other dove. It is not clear what happened to the doves that flew away."

ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25905108


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72532000/jpg/_72532717_020790646-1.jpg

Some interpretations:
Crow
"Crow:
Crow is a harbinger of change; spiritual, mental and emotional. Life, death, rebirth, transition magic, watchfulness, look for opportunities coming up, aids in ability to move spiritually and physically. They teach the power and balance of light/dark and spiritual/physical. He teaches to create and manifest things in our lives, all of life is waiting. Crow announces a newness on the horizon. Are you aware of the nuances in life? Are you listening to signs around you? Crow can give strength and show you how to maneuver in intuitions and insights."

Dove
"Doves:
Messenger of Peace, love, joy and gentleness, prophecy of good things, maternity instincts, awakening to promise of future with clarity. Dove shows us how to walk between the physical and spiritual world. She aids in tapping our creative energies and stirring the emotions. It is time for creativity and expressing oneself. Are you listening to the messages at this time? Doves bring hope of a new beginning and will show there is peace arriving. Pigeon shows how to bring peace, love and understanding to situations and teaches us the art of communication and cooperation. Are you compassionate toward others? Perhaps it is a time for forgiveness? It is a time to express appreciation and gratitude of brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles and parents for family brings us unconditional sense of belonging. Dove teaches many lessons of home: love, security, fertility and family."

SeaGull
"Seagull:
Seagulls are spiritual messengers that demonstrate that a higher communication with guides is taking place. He shows how to see above situations with a higher clarity and teaches that there are many perspectives to consider. Seagull shows a sense friendship and community and the cooperation that is needed for the whole to operate successfully. He teaches how to ride the currents of the mental, emotional and physical worlds. Are you going with the flow or fighting it? Are you cooperating with others? Are you open to your guides? Seagull can teach you many lessons of looking, living and being. It is time to listen and watch for the nuances and timing of action."

from http://www.starstuffs.com/animal_totems/dictionary_of_birds.htm

Anyone want to venture an interpretation of what does that mean?

Any different interpretations of the Dove, Seagull and Crow?


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72532000/jpg/_72532718_020791100-1.jpg

This is the Forum thread post link to Two Blood Moons -
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67024-Two-Blood-Red-Moons-Prophecy-and-possible-deaths-of-two-world-leaders&p=779518&viewfull=1#post779518 and a relevant section about what prophecy was made re: Sharon..

[jagman]

It could possibly mean that shat is about to hit the proverbial fan...
It's funny that Peter the Roman is releasing peace doves.
He is the one that will usher in the Dark Lord.

[SilentFeathers]

The animal medicine is important, but, I think the way this happened and location, people involved etc is important too; especially considering two children tossing the doves, the big man of the Vatican standing between them......this was surely an omen in my opinion, a harbinger.

A jesuit priest, now pope, in the middle of a boy and girl (after years of child sexual abuse involved with the Catholic Church) leading a ceremony of peace that turns ugly?????? Does the doves represent the children and the crow and seagul represent the black and white pope? who knows.....

Several interpretations are possible, none that can really be beneficial and beautiful in my opinion.

[Hip Hipnotist]

If I were a crow or seagull and looking for a meal those pure white doves pretty much thrown in my mouth would not be coming home in one piece ( or is it peace? )

That's my interpretation of what it means. ;-))

[SilentFeathers]

I agree a hungry gull and crow (nature) has much to do with this, but personally I see much more.

[Tangri]

The animal medicine is important, but, I think the way this happened and location, people involved etc is important too; especially considering two children tossing the doves, the big man of the Vatican standing between them......this was surely an omen in my opinion, a harbinger.

A jesuit priest, now pope, in the middle of a boy and girl (after years of child sexual abuse involved with the Catholic Church) leading a ceremony of peace that turns ugly?????? Does the doves represent the children and the crow and seagul represent the black and white pope? who knows.....

Several interpretations are possible, none that can really be beneficial and beautiful in my opinion.

What about this interpretation?

Peace can not be establish with lies and sins. Before offering peace you have to be come clean from all your sins, otherwise your other creation(sin) will destroy your lies.

H3D6iEB-I18

[SilentFeathers]

I reckon this dove attack is not as morbid as sacrificing and butchering a lamb on the front steps of the church......

[SilentFeathers]

Just some more medicine/meanings;

Sea Gulls are messengers from the gods, especially ancient Celtic deities. They bridge the gap between the living world and the spirit world. Opening yourself to their energy enables you to communicate with the other side.

Crow is the left-handed guardian. Crow knows the unknowable mysteries of creation and is the keeper of all sacred law. Crow medicine signifies a firsthand knowledge of a higher order of right and wrong than that indicated by the laws created in human culture.

Historically, dove symbolism is associated with several mother figures:
The Mother Mary in Christian legend (care, devotion, purity and peace)
Ishtar in Assyrian culture (promise of hope and salvation)
Aphrodite and Venus (viewing the soul or a sense of higher love)
Also, the dove represents peace, prophecy, and the Dove shows and reveals the veils between the spiritual and physical worlds.

Also:


Pope named after Francis of Assisi heralded by gull atop Sistine chimney
Newly appointed pontiff Jorge Mario Bergoglio takes name of Catholic friar portrayed as nature lover – and preacher to birds

David Batty
The Guardian, Wednesday 13 March 2013 17.05 EDT
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/3/13/1363208474228/Gull-on-Sistine-Chapel-ch-010.jpg
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/13/pope-francis-assisi-seagull-sistine

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Of the 3 arms , Holy See , 2 shall fall by the end of 2015 ... in it will be a change on the blade of a dual edged sword.

None can see

Naniu

[Shezbeth]

Bravo, some excellent analyses of the scenario. I'm particularly impressed by the observation of the young boy and young girl flanking the potentate and releasing the doves, as I am sure there were some metaphysicians in the 'wings' (ha!) who were scripting the intended symbolism of the event. That the crow and seagull decided to 'throw salt' on the event is both loaded with symbolism and (IMO) hilarious. That both the crow and the seagull are largely a scavenging species is notable as is the incident a testament to the fallibility of human artifice in the face of natural forces beyond their control.

This is a wonderful display of a (mostly) natural phenomenon with significant philosophical, metaphysical, shamanic, intrinsic, etc. allegory and perceivable meaning. The examples and interpretations are nearly endless, and I greatly appreciate the OP and the subsequent responses.

Edit: Also note the colors worn by the participants,....

[SilentFeathers]

Accompanied by two children, Pope Benedict XVI stood before the crowds and released the first dove into St. Peter’s Square. Slightly disoriented, the bird eventually succeeded in flying up to a ledge above the Pontiff’s window.

The second bird was not so lucky. Soon after it had landed on a ledge below the window, it was attacked by a seagull

Read more: Pope Benedict's Dove of Peace Attacked by Vicious Seagull | TIME.com http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/29/popes-dove-of-peace-attacked-by-seagull-of-irony/#ixzz2rYkMqi1g

Seems its happened before....(a year ago)

[Bob]

Another image


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7d/ff/6d/7dff6d652001080581317fac6bce63e2.jpg

[GreenGuy]

Bravo, some excellent analyses of the scenario. I'm particularly impressed by the observation of the young boy and young girl flanking the potentate and releasing the doves, as I am sure there were some metaphysicians in the 'wings' (ha!) who were scripting the intended symbolism of the event. That the crow and seagull decided to 'throw salt' on the event is both loaded with symbolism and (IMO) hilarious. That both the crow and the seagull are largely a scavenging species is notable as is the incident a testament to the fallibility of human artifice in the face of natural forces beyond their control.

This is a wonderful display of a (mostly) natural phenomenon with significant philosophical, metaphysical, shamanic, intrinsic, etc. allegory and perceivable meaning. The examples and interpretations are nearly endless, and I greatly appreciate the OP and the subsequent responses.

Edit: Also note the colors worn by the participants,....

Yeah. I couldna said anything better than that.

[DNA]

My interpretation is this

"The world is no longer accepting your message as innocence and peace, the world is recognizing what is really coming out of the Catholic church and disecting it for what it really is."
My further interpretation would be
"The guise of spiritual peace will not save you from the worlds need to satiate and exact it's revenge."

But don't quote me or anything, I'm just spit balling here.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlY8spYd1zg

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Last year or year before, there was a triple bird strike phenomenon on the same day, involving Biden, Hillary, and Obama, in 3 separate planes.
I considered this an act of God.

During a RV session the month prior, I'd made an image of a hawk releasing a banner from its wings, with serpents (striking!) descending from the feathers of the wings,
lightning and a hole in the clouds issuing from above the hawk and banner... very creepy image. "Bird strike" is what it seems to shout.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x552q90/29/portfolio15.png

This is a very strange omen -- I do believe in animal totems and medicine, because two years ago, again, I heard from what I thought was Blue Corn Woman and White Buffalo Calf woman, perhaps something to do with the drought, corn failure, and recent trouble feeding US cattle! (they didn't have enough corn to feed them properly). One of the messages I thought I'd gotten from these entities was about blue corn itself, because it is drought resistant. Blue Corn woman is sad that we waste her gifts in favor of GMO corn that provides no nutrition and cannot tolerate the changes and the heat. :(





Some of my most detailed and powerful RV sessions were in the direct context of interactions with birds, or in the proximity of ravens and crows, etc.

I do consider them to be important in terms of being able to sense what is happening or about to happen.

many cultures revere birds as messengers.

in the Bible, crows and ravens, among other birds, provided food for the prophets when they hid in the wilderness.
Food has more than one meaning in the Bible.. bread is also spiritual food for thought as well as real food.

"Man may not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the Mouth of God".

"The shall rise up with wings as eagles, and renew their strength".

"I bring not peace but a sword". :(

Yahoo has removed the bird strike phenom story:

http://news.yahoo.com/bird-strikes-hit-senior-obama-administration-officials-planes-121454752--abc-news-politics.html

even though it's painted over, never ever forget about the DIA murals:

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/denver-airport-4.jpg?w=1380&h=1035

http://www.fatimamovement.com/images/009_MakingaHereticalBaptism/denver_airport_children_dead_murals.jpg

http://www.fatimamovement.com/images/009_MakingaHereticalBaptism/Denver%20Airport%20NWO%20Masonic%20Marker.jpg

p.s. I just had a weird synchronicity, my spouse and I were talking about DIA, and I said, "you know how some Mason fiction involves speaking to the dead", and when I said that, the lights in the kitchen flickered violently. Didn't happen twice. :(

[enfoldedblue]

Isn't the release of doves to freedom just an illusion? Aren't the doves trained (programmed) to fly back to their captivity? I don't know much about this, but I imagine they would be trained similarly to homing pigeons who fly back to their designated roosting area. The image of birds being released from their imprisonment into an expansive world of hope and freedom is in reality just a trick. If this is the case then I think it would be beneficial to take the dimension of false/illusory symbol of peace and freedom into the analysis.

[SilentFeathers]

It's quite interesting how the Pope, the Vatican, has two children toss and sacrifice the "tamed" doves which wouldn't have a chance to survive in the elements anyways.

Sometimes things are not as they appear to be......

Sacrificing white doves makes a bit more sense......releasing them is a death sentence to them regardless if a gull or crow kills them.

[jackovesk]

Now, should or could I read into this (Dove-Attack) as a (Sign) or simply an everyday coincidence...:confused:

I saw this in the papers last night and saved the story so I could post a thread on it today, I am glad you beat me to it Bobd...:thumb:

Good to see...:yes4:

Now getting back to rationalizing whether or not it was a (Sign) or (Coincidence)...???

Let me share with you something I use everyday when trying to make such a decision. Remote Viewing has taught me just 1 (Important-Thing)...


Trust the 1st Impression that comes to mind i.e. Don't think about, Don't discard it, go with what your Gut/Intuition is telling you...:yes4:

The 1st non-judgemental thought that came to mind was that it was a....

SIGN...:yes4:

A sign of where the Catholic Church/Vatican is today and where it is going..?

The vein of Secrecy is being unearthed and the Truth of the Catholic Church/Vatican and its (EVIL Satanic Practices) are surfacing for (ALL) to see...:yes4:

The (Never-Ending COVERUPS) are being "Exposed" more frequently as we see the collective (Human Consciousness) come to the fore in the (Spiritual Battle) between (Good vs Evil)...

Long GONE are the days where these (EVIL SCUMBAGS) continually get away with it..!

The (Conscious Humanity Mindshift) towards the TRUTH, has been going on for sometime as most of you know...

...and Finally we are starting to get some Answers...:wizard:

DOVES the Messengers of Peace, Love & Joy have been for Centuries (ABUSED) symbolically by the very people who (Stand Against) their very message...!

What you are now witnessing (1st Hand) is Humanities (Collective Consciousness) transferring into Spiritual form to finally 'Expose' and rid ourselves of the (Lies & Deception) that has enslaved mankind for millennium..!



:director: Stay (Strong) stay (Vigilant) stay (Focused on the TRUTH) and (NEVER "EVER" GIVE IN) to the (CHARADE) of Control..!


Thankyou Mr. Seagull & Mr.Crow...:thumb:

[johnf]

Well it seems like the pope, as well as those who helped plan this, wanted symbolism, they certainly got it!

Surface posturings for peace on the part of one of the chief figureheads of a system of rigid control,

are met with violence.

Although I think this year holds good promise for the extreme polarization of mankind against various parts of itself to give way in a big way, it will probably have a lot of contentiousness, and mud slinging still involved.

This ceremony happened at a time when more and more scandals are being brought out into the open over the last several months.

The role of the United States as prosecuter, excecutioner, and shadow rebel rouser around the world (allways in the interests of rigid economic control)has come more and more out into the open.


Peace will never occurr until people have called in a clear and strong voice consistently over a long period of for
an extended length of time, for actual consequences for all concerned to be considered and dealt with.

Peace will never occur until the present human institutions that have kept world citizens at each others throats so that the ruling class can exist in luxury, have been dismantled.

Nature will triumph over artificial human systems.

Mankind will pick itself to pieces until it has remembered it's own source, and the natural law that allowed it to be created.

I saw this several hours ago, so the symbols have had time to bubble in deep, and come slowly back to the surface.

The person who first posted these pictures asked bad omen?

I think it is a very real, beautiful and good omen.

This little event will be a good one to look back one a year or two from now.

I think it will be clearer to more people how futile it is to hold onto old ideas ,institutions, and symbols of
"authority".


john

[Bob]

Have you seen this Crest?

http://www.whale.to/c/dove.h16.jpg

and this is from today's attack


http://chanlo.com/images/gull-dove-1.jpg

the top image is the Crest of the OTO (http://oto-usa.org/) - "The letters O.T.O. stand for Ordo Templi Orientis, the Order of Oriental Templars, or Order of the Temple of the East. " from the OTO webpage

[Shezbeth]

Additional excellent points on the matter! We're talking about trained (read domesticated, indoctrinated, etc.) birds vs. wild (read natural, unrestrained, primeval, etc.) birds in an entirely artificial event that was co-opted by natural entities! The further I go with the extrospection (significantly and gratefully aided by the many wonderful perspectives expressed) the more excited and enthusiastic I find myself!

One of my recent favorite thread topics! :pop2:

[jackovesk]

Additional excellent points on the matter! We're talking about trained (read domesticated, indoctrinated, etc.) birds vs. wild (read natural, unrestrained, primeval, etc.) birds in an entirely artificial event that was co-opted by natural entities! The further I go with the extrospection (significantly and gratefully aided by the many wonderful perspectives expressed) the more excited and enthusiastic I find myself!

One of my recent favorite thread topics! :pop2:

More info required, I didn't quite understand where you were going with this...:noidea:

I think I know what you were trying to say and would like to add some thoughts if we are on the same wavelength.

This whole conversation is about to go way (Deeper) than you could ever imagine...:)

[SilentFeathers]

The "inverted dove" would mean, well, the opposite of peace....which is war/destruction.

The tarot card with the inverted dove is interesting symbolically too and possibly can relate to this event/thread topic.

http://www.whale.to/c/7s09s8kldove.jpg

ACE OF CUPS

EMOTIONAL FORCE
INTUITION
INTIMACY
LOVE

The Ace of Cups shows is a symbol of possibility in the area of deep feelings, intimacy, attunement, compassion and love. In readings, it shows that a seed of emotional awareness has been planted in your life although you may not yet recognize it. When the seed sprouts, it could take almost any form. It might be an attraction, strong feeling, intuitive knowing, or sympathetic reaction. On the outside, it could be an offer, gift, opportunity, encounter or synchronistic event.

also, this is strange too....

http://www.whale.to/c/brando33.jpg

[SilentFeathers]

This is rather interesting....


Several passages of the Torah (especially Leviticus) specify occasions that require the sacrifice of two doves (or young pigeons)—either as a guilt offering or to purify oneself after a period of ritual impurity (including the birth of a child). Several columbaria, or dovecotes, have been excavated in the City of David and the Jerusalem environs. These towers were undoubtedly used to raise doves for sacrificial offerings, as well as for the meat and fertilizer they provided—a popular practice in the Hellenistic and Roman periods that continued into the modern period.

The Gospel of Luke says that Mary and Joseph sacrificed two doves at the Temple following the birth of Jesus, as was prescribed in the law mentioned above (Luke 2:24).

Source:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/daily-life-and-practice/the-enduring-symbolism-of-doves/

[Bob]

This is rather interesting....


Several passages of the Torah (especially Leviticus) specify occasions that require the sacrifice of two doves (or young pigeons)—either as a guilt offering or to purify oneself after a period of ritual impurity (including the birth of a child). Several columbaria, or dovecotes, have been excavated in the City of David and the Jerusalem environs. These towers were undoubtedly used to raise doves for sacrificial offerings, as well as for the meat and fertilizer they provided—a popular practice in the Hellenistic and Roman periods that continued into the modern period.

The Gospel of Luke says that Mary and Joseph sacrificed two doves at the Temple following the birth of Jesus, as was prescribed in the law mentioned above (Luke 2:24).

Source:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/daily-life-and-practice/the-enduring-symbolism-of-doves/

Looks interesting folks, onto something it appears..

[Bob]

Additional excellent points on the matter! We're talking about trained (read domesticated, indoctrinated, etc.) birds vs. wild (read natural, unrestrained, primeval, etc.) birds in an entirely artificial event that was co-opted by natural entities! The further I go with the extrospection (significantly and gratefully aided by the many wonderful perspectives expressed) the more excited and enthusiastic I find myself!

One of my recent favorite thread topics! :pop2:

More info required, I didn't quite understand where you were going with this...:noidea:

I think I know what you were trying to say and would like to add some thoughts if we are on the same wavelength.

This whole conversation is about to go way (Deeper) than you could ever imagine...:)

yup - let's see where it could go :thumb:

[Bob]

Of course it is just an accidental partial "wave" from the child on the Pope's right (the boy), his hand is positioned as thus:


http://chanlo.com/images/hand-1.jpg

(this is from the OP first post)

That is just a wave right? Anybody familiar with "hand signing" ? just asking, it could only be purely a wave..

[Azt]

I think this is interesting and probably there is a message behind it. Rome/Vatican is full of doves on the streets (too many actually) so a Crow and a Seagull would not have problem to find lunch in other places around the town. But to struck like that it seems they were released too in a parallel event happening near by at the same time. Black pope ? Weird to say the least.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Not to offend the gentlemen, but the OTO logo and the dove/cup seem to have many people enchanted.
The INCUBUS "light grenades" cover is of similar theme.

Aleister Crowley believed sexual (and drug assisted sex) experience to be the highest aspiration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema


In the Renaissance, a character named "Thelemia" represents will or desire in the Hypnerotomachia Poliphili of the Dominican monk Francesco Colonna. The protagonist Poliphilo has two allegorical guides, Logistica (reason) and Thelemia (will or desire). When forced to choose, he chooses fulfillment of his sexual will over logic.[14] Colonna's work was a great influence on the Franciscan monk François Rabelais, who in the 16th century, used Thélème, the French form of the word, as the name of a fictional abbey in his novels, Gargantua and Pantagruel.[15] The only rule of this Abbey was "fay çe que vouldras" ("Fais ce que tu veux", or, "Do what thou wilt"). In the mid-18th century, Sir Francis Dashwood inscribed the adage on a doorway of his abbey at Medmenham,[16] where it served as the motto of The Hellfire Club.[16] Rabelais' Abbey of Thelema has been referred to by later writers Sir Walter Besant and James Rice, in their novel The Monks of Thelema (1878), and C.R. Ashbee in his utopian romance The Building of Thelema (1910).

Therefore having as many offspring as possible (whether one cares about them or not) (maybe spiritual offspring as well, or devotees) and as many sexual partners as possible was of great importance to him as a Satanist :(

The Revelation of John mentions a "Whore" who does business with many Kings and Powers.
Many speculate as to the nature of the whore. The truth is that the powers that be contest with one another for supremacy for the title.
She who sits on many waters, drinking the blood of innocents from the golden cup.

You know of what I speak...

http://mattanslow.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/prostitute-revelation.jpg

There is a power behind every throne, just like Quentin Tarantino tried to point out in HERO.
You know it by its fruit and whether it thrives in light or darkness.

It would seem that in spite of even the best intentions, the World Tree of our time has been tended in much darkness.
the Nations will be cast into turmoil like dead leaves in a storm. If things can't change quickly.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Yggdrasil.jpg/220px-Yggdrasil.jpg

And why is the World Tree in such danger?

"For the Love of Money is the Root of All Kinds of Evil"
~ The holy book


also

Revelation 17: 6-18

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/La_B%C3%AAte_de_la_Mer.jpg/800px-La_B%C3%AAte_de_la_Mer.jpg

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/St_Peter%27s_Square%2C_Vatican_City_-_April_2007.jpg/641px-St_Peter%27s_Square%2C_Vatican_City_-_April_2007.jpg

And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg/220px-Operation_Upshot-Knothole_-_Badger_001.jpg

And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bkDi_yqDXyg/TumIKmbi4EI/AAAAAAAAA6k/gjNK021qBYg/s400/popejohnpauliifuneral1.jpg

For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

http://savinarholistic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/RomeCollapse.jpg

On Ragnarok:


Near the Ases crowed Gullinkambi;

He awoke the heroes in the house of the

 Father of the Combatants;

But another cock crowed below the earth,

A black-red cock, in the dwelling of Hel.

Garm howls frightfully before Gnypahall.

The chains are going to break; Freki will escape:

She pauses much, the prophetess: I see from afar

The twilight of the Great Powers, the Fighting Gods.

Völuspá


Nor sound nor flame
Shall pierce the night
That settles on the deep.
Nor echoes of
Their desperate fight
Shall trace the gods in sleep.
The howling wind of space
Will find no ear
To hear its mock.
The end
Has claimed the race
With the start of Ragnarok.

http://www.theosophytrust.org/660-ragnarok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lusp%C3%A1

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Odin_og_V%C3%B6lven_by_Fr%C3%B8lich.jpg/800px-Odin_og_V%C3%B6lven_by_Fr%C3%B8lich.jpg

"Yggdrasil trembles, the towering ash
Groans in woe; the wolf is loose:
Odhinn speaks with the head of Mimir
Before he is swallowed by Surt's kin.

...

Now rides the Strong One to Rainbow Door,
Powerful from heaven, the All-Ruler:
From the depths below a drake comes flying
The dark dragon from Darkfell,
Bears on his pinions the bodies of men,
Soars overhead I sink now."

The Rainbow Bridge and Heimdallr:

"In Norse mythology, Heimdallr is a god who possesses the resounding horn Gjallarhorn, owns the golden-maned horse Gulltoppr, has gold teeth, and is the son of Nine Mothers. Heimdallr is attested as possessing foreknowledge, keen eyesight and hearing, is described as "the whitest of the gods", and keeps watch for the onset of Ragnarök while drinking fine mead in his dwelling Himinbjörg, located where the burning rainbow bridge Bifröst meets heaven. Heimdallr is said to be the originator of social classes among humanity and once regained Freyja's treasured possession Brísingamen while doing battle in the shape of a seal with Loki. Heimdallr and Loki are foretold to kill one another during the events of Ragnarök. Heimdallr is additionally referred to as Hallinskiði, Gullintanni, and Vindlér or Vindhlér.

Heimdallr is attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional material; in the Prose Edda and Heimskringla, both written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson; in the poetry of skalds; and on an Old Norse runic inscription found in England. Two lines of an otherwise lost poem about the god, Heimdalargaldr, survive. Due to the problematic and enigmatic nature of these attestations, scholars have produced various theories about the nature of the god, including his apparent relation to rams, that he may be a personification of or connected to the world tree Yggdrasil, and potential Indo-European cognates."

[Shezbeth]

More info required, I didn't quite understand where you were going with this...:noidea:

I think I know what you were trying to say and would like to add some thoughts if we are on the same wavelength.

This whole conversation is about to go way (Deeper) than you could ever imagine...:)

Gladly. I was alluding to the many interpretations that can come of analyzing all the elements in this instance which are artificial, and all the elements which are natural. This assumes of course that the seagull and crow (S&C) were not in some way artificially induced which is improbable but not impossible.

One could liken the artificial proceedings of the church to the artificiality of domesticated doves. They both may look pretty and pristine, but are unrealistic and quite prey-able in contrast to real-world dispositions and considerations, the S&C.

It is funny that the children should be presented so, as though to imply that the youth is behind this man/organization, despite that the church has been most complicit in the perpetuation and coverup of child victimization.

That doves have been attacked during previous ceremonies, and that such things were not adequately prevented in this case could allude to the half-measures that seem to be put forth by the church in putting an end to such sexual (and worse) predation. In that case, the doves would represent the youth, the S&C representing the nefarious players in the church ready to descend upon them.

The colors the children are wearing and their positions on opposite sides could allude to the divine masculine and feminine pillars, yet their representatives are immature and otherwise unseasoned.

The domestication of the doves could represent the domestication of the church, its values and dispositions becoming increasingly distanced from the considerations of life outside the church. The vatican is its own sheltered environment from which its training and indoctrination seem sound. The S&C could then represent the inapplicability of the products of indoctrination when exposed to an unsheltered environment.

The more I think about it (and I have been for many hours!) the more it is like a kaleidoscope or an intricately faceted gem, where there seems to be endless ways of looking at it, each producing their own refraction or image.

Ultimately, I am struck by the impression that the Vatican participants had every intention of the ritual (did I say that, I meant 'ceremony' ^_~) producing a particular effect, appearance, disposition, and understanding. Crow (who is an old friend and one of my earliest sponsors) and Seagull decided to hijack the event and produce an entirely different dynamic that I find to be far more appropriate, amusing, accurate, and fitting.

Edit: Tesla,... wow that was awesome. Thank you for mentioning the whore ("of babylon" as she is sometimes referred), I hadn't thought of how to include that element, and the very much more that I hadn't even considered.

[G.Deluca]

after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy
as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened

[Valle]

after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy
as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened

I agree - this event was rigged - as was the lightening on the 11 February last year - And Ariel Sharon dead as it in a prophecy with the return of Christ. They are trying to use peoples superstition to gain power. So there could be strange things coming our way..(rigged).

And I dont like this.. as it is about child sacrifice:
"Pope Francis noted that there were many children in the Square and said his thoughts go to a three-year child, burnt to death by members of the Southern Italian Calabria mafia after his grandfather failed to pay a drug debt to mobsters."
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-appeal-for-dialogue-in-ukraine

[jackovesk]

after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened


after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what christ said will come


I'm quite sure (if) Christ does come back..?

It'll give the Pope and his Pedophile Priests a chance to use their (PANIC-ROOM)...:scared:

The Roman Empire (Aftermath)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0EUBNLHupVg/UNnc87tgx9I/AAAAAAAAtKc/mfaKYoASGv8/s1600/end-of-the-world.jpg

GOD says...:wizard:

Fat lot of good that will do them...:)

...and


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLfmEZYdtrY

[Hervé]

Check this thread's OP:

Eywa has had enough! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56187-Eywa-has-had-enough-)

[SilentFeathers]

No one's really convinced me in this thread yet that this event wasn't anything other than a "sacrifice".....so I've made up my mind to it's symbolism.

I've come to the conclusion that this was a sacrifice....one can not expect two tame and domesticated doves to do anything but die being released to the elements and dangers outside of their cage.....the article should read: "Pope and children sacrifice two white doves".


Doves and turtle-doves were the only birds that could be offered in sacrifice, as they were clean according to the Mosaic law ( Genesis 15:9 ; Leviticus 5:7 ; 12:6 ; Luke 2:24 ).

[chocolate]

You know, they are reading this?! So they now know that you know.
[I am so sick of these ritualistic (see what Simon Parks says about the rituals with some non earthly creatures) abuse of power and of our attention]

Who were the two kids and who allowed them to do that?

[RunningDeer]

That is just a wave right? Anybody familiar with "hand signing" ? just asking, it could only be purely a wave..

The reporter points out at about the 42 second mark that "the girl just laughed". Coping mechanism? A few frames later, the boy makes hand gestures to the pope. I may be reading into this but the kids have matching sweatshirts with ACR Style logo. I’m not familiar with the brand.


VQ_JnOi4q7w

I YouTube searched “ACR music” and the "Assassin's Creed Revelations" first frame has the black and white theme. ACR music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JjnYmH6mDk&list=PLC3E783709B5A0C6C), by Monkey Triads


Assassin's Creed Revelations Full Soundtrack
vfa52ha4LSA

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Who were the two kids

Damien and Carrie;)

[Bob]

Who were the two kids

Damien and Carrie;)

I find it interesting that the boy child after releasing his bird would have to have changed his hand position to that "sign". That doesn't look like a wave to me. I did some looking at it sure looks like the malevolent benediction, "malediction" or satanic "as above" sign. Damien, ya maybe.. There is a lot of discussion on hand and gang signing, the use of the hand to convey a secret message to those "in the know"..


http://www.whale.to/b/as_abo42.gif

http://chanlo.com/images/hand-1.jpg

[Soda]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10599604/Blood-of-Pope-John-Paul-II-stolen-in-possible-satanic-theft.html

Did you guys see this?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Okay, maybe we are just seeing to much into this, maybe not, perhaps the crow and the gull just took out the competition for food scraps, I think the square is being kept nice and tidy all the time and at this particular occasion the square is full of people eating while they are waiting on chancellor Palpatine like they would do at any other event, the birds will come down as soon as the square is reasonably empty again and the will be fighting over whatever is on the floor, chasing away the competition is quite common in nature, I originate from Amsterdam, we have Dam square there ( nice for tourists and pickpockets) and there are as a rule many hundreds of pigeons and other birds fighting over tourist food and French fries all the time. Two pigeons less to deal with later is what I'd say if I were a crow or gull.

But the two kids left and right of the Lord of the Pedo's is a bit much for me too, if those douches from the Vatican have any brains left in their skulls they would steer clear of any kids from at least 50 years to come, unless they fear that would be viewed as an admission of guilt, which is very likely .

[Bob]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10599604/Blood-of-Pope-John-Paul-II-stolen-in-possible-satanic-theft.html

Did you guys see this?

They say in that article, up till Feb 1 there might be more satanic malevolence..

"“It’s possible that there could be Satanic sects behind the theft of the reliquary,” said Giovanni Panunzio, the national coordinator of an anti-occult group called Osservatorio Antiplagio.

“This period of the year is important in the Satanic calendar and culminates in the Satanic ‘new year’ on Feb 1. This sort of sacrilege often take place at this time of the year. "

So the bird attack, the "signing" may all be not coincidence and actual a ritual sacrifice. Doesn't there have to be some other symbology, or focus used, not just two children some doves and some signing? Timing may be right apparently for happenings from now till Feb 1 then if we understand that article correctly.

[Chanlo23]

Of course it is just an accidental partial "wave" from the child on the Pope's right (the boy), his hand is positioned as thus:


http://chanlo.com/images/hand-1.jpg

(this is from the OP first post)

That is just a wave right? Anybody familiar with "hand signing" ? just asking, it could only be purely a wave..

Looks a tad like the boy is in the process of forming mudras too. For example, this could be evoking Pran or Prithvi. Under the circumstances, the mudra could be used as benediction or a curse

http://arganesh3.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/pran-mudra/
http://mudraguide.com/index.php/mudras/basic-mudras/29-prithvi-vardhak-prithvi-mudra
http://mudraguide.com/index.php/mudras/basic-mudras

[Bob]

I am sure the Forum remembers Steve's thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67173-Satanic-Temple-unveils-7-foot-goat-headed-Baphomet-statue-for-Oklahoma-Capitol&p=781315&viewfull=1#post781315 - "Satanic Temple unveils 7-foot goat-headed Baphomet statue for Oklahoma Capitol" (in What Does it Mean subforum)

The children and the hand sign.. Unless instructed/directed, one may observe that it would seem odd that a child would use such a signal accidentally.

Below image is from the Oklahoma statue depiction.


http://chanlo.com/images/satanic-benediction-1.jpg

[Chanlo23]

I am sure the Forum remembers Steve's thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67173-Satanic-Temple-unveils-7-foot-goat-headed-Baphomet-statue-for-Oklahoma-Capitol&p=781315&viewfull=1#post781315 - "Satanic Temple unveils 7-foot goat-headed Baphomet statue for Oklahoma Capitol" (in What Does it Mean subforum)

The children and the hand sign.. Unless instructed/directed, one may observe that it would seem odd that a child would use such a signal accidentally.

Below image is from the Oklahoma statue depiction.


http://www.chanlo.com/images/satanic-benediction-1.jpg

Sorry.. Am I the only one thinking Damien and Carrie in this ?

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Obama and Carrie?

[Maia Gabrial]

Could it also mean that these so called peace doves that the Vatican offered is phony that even the regular birds saw through it?Not everything that looks nice, is.... At this point the Vatican's reputation is going downhill fast. So, any gestures from it is questionable....imo.

[raregem]

Of course it is just an accidental partial "wave" from the child on the Pope's right (the boy), his hand is positioned as thus:


http://chanlo.com/images/hand-1.jpg

(this is from the OP first post)

That is just a wave right? Anybody familiar with "hand signing" ? just asking, it could only be purely a wave..


Seems unnatural angles on the finger "movement" . I do not know signing or secret handshakes.

[SilentFeathers]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HsNre4PwUOokJMgOjfn-0n2Qf1Hgr1PhE9xW087yTvM=w317-h420-no

[Nanoo Nanoo]

the hand gesture is significant and it has been altered.

The original use of the first and index finger with the thumb contacting the third finger is a blessing configuration. If you sepperate the first and index finger you are portraying unrest .. the V symbol has been covertly used for many years.. We think V means peace ( as so many have used in selfies with idiot phones )

What it in fact means is " Unrest by division of the blessing of man "

The symbolic use is greatly diminished without intent however the energetic transfer is misguided however small in mass, however when you multiply these small transfers to many who use them you have an energetic conduit / transfer which can be used by the ones who truly understand its purpose.

We are greatly influenced by symbolism because its ingrained down here with intentis. Talismans of intent engraved and documented / corinated into existance are many and varied.

All energetic outcomes are proportional to several emotional perameters existing in our enviroemnt readily avail to those who can manipulate it or extract its use .. tis is a tranciever type of matter transfer.

You will notice in the picture of th goat head that the blessing symbol is being used byt the thumb is not contacting the third finger... its pointing up, this is a very subtle change in its configuration to re direct the blessing energy.

There is no internal loop for its inner god to tranfer the blessing. You will notice that the mudras are so delicately different. Every tiny difference connects different conduits and channels.

Slight varyants are so had to pick up unless you know what to look for.

N

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

That thread about "John Scarlett Davis" might mention the hand gestures a little bit.
There's a weird untitled print I've got that shows a bunch of otherwise normal people doing strange hand gestures.
there is a whole lot of infighting among church sects re: which gestures to use and which to throw out, which hand etc. how many fingers.

Paul the apostle said not to confuse communication with a lot of mumbo jumbo.
Yet .... Latin... gestures... icons... symbols...
Throw it all out LOL

[Bob]

Adding to the strangeness - A student today set himself on fire at Standley Lake School in the Cafeteria. Immolation by flame.. WestMinister Colorado. (no where near the fault lines or near the ley line).

From USAToday - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/27/student-sets-self-on-fire/4939551/

"The fire broke out at about 7:15 a.m. MT, and was extinguished quickly.

"Spokeswoman Cheri Spottke of the Westminster Police Department said the teen had not made any statements before igniting himself.

"There is no indication there were any threats," she said.

"The teen reportedly doused himself with oil before setting himself on fire and left word of his intentions on social media. Spottke said she didn't know how the student started the fire.

"This is not someone's fault. I had this planned for years," the teen wrote in a social-media post. He went on to mention that friends over the weekend tried to talk him out of the suicide attempt. "If anyone says that they know why I did this, ... nobody knows and nobody will."

Is this timing part of the satanic new year window until Feb 1, 2014?


http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/62c8695723b5e6762b59a2a65708dd632b6aba77/c=104-4-370-360&r=183&c=0-0-180-238/local/-/media/USATODAY/test/2014/01/27//1390847634000-012714standley-lake-high-co.jpg

Ed Note - 1) the amount of School incidents in the last couple months in Colorado seems proportionately very unusual and concerning to School officials and the Sheriff's department. (see the other threads in the Forum in the Current News for those posts discussing them)
2) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10599604/Blood-of-Pope-John-Paul-II-stolen-in-possible-satanic-theft.html - WeeZer suggests that the Forum take a look at the incident happening. In that article is mentioned the satanic new year period.

[jackovesk]

Of course it is just an accidental partial "wave" from the child on the Pope's right (the boy), his hand is positioned as thus:


http://chanlo.com/images/hand-1.jpg

(this is from the OP first post)

That is just a wave right? Anybody familiar with "hand signing" ? just asking, it could only be purely a wave..

You started this (Hand Signing) Conspiracy Bobd...:yes4:

Now you need to fix it before this 'Thread' loses (ALL) credibility...:yes4:


:director: Hear ye - Hear ye - Hear ye (Bobd) has an announcement to make after viewing the video again...:)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ_JnOi4q7w&feature=player_embedded
PS - SECRET (Hand Signal)...:pound:

[Bob]

the hand gesture is significant and it has been altered.

[...]

[...]
Slight variants are so had to pick up unless you know what to look for.

N

My point precisely - we need to pay attention - what the heck is such a juvenile doing "signing" with an occult gesture?

[Bob]

Of course it is just an accidental partial "wave" from the child on the Pope's right (the boy), his hand is positioned as thus:


http://chanlo.com/images/hand-1.jpg

(this is from the OP first post)

That is just a wave right?

Anybody familiar with "hand signing" ?

just asking,

it could only be purely a wave..
[...]

I'll repeat the earlier first OP, from BBC using a Reuters image, that is a still shot.

Whatever you choose to see, it's fine by me. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/loco.gif

There is no question the birds were attacked which was the OP of this thread. Or was that part of someone's imagination too (snicker)

ED NOTE - the pictures of the seagull and the crow was cited as from AP - BBC used shots from AP and from Reuters. None were shown as from VIDEOS, MOVIES, YOUTUBES.

[Shezbeth]

Given my limited understanding of children he is probably in some way initiated and is probably pretty excited about his inclusion. Kids love to flaunt privilege given the opportunity, and the pat on the head issued by the potentate could be a slight criticism/disciplinary gesture.

"Hey kid, don't show them that or it's (edit: back to) the man-sex room for you!"

[SilentFeathers]

he could actually just be flicking some bird crap off his fingers......but then again, I don't believe much in coincidences :)

[Bob]

Who were the two kids

Damien and Carrie;)

I find it interesting that the boy child after releasing his bird would have to have changed his hand position to that "sign". That doesn't look like a wave to me. I did some looking at it sure looks like the malevolent benediction, "malediction" or satanic "as above" sign. Damien, ya maybe.. There is a lot of discussion on hand and gang signing, the use of the hand to convey a secret message to those "in the know"..


http://www.whale.to/b/as_abo42.gif

http://chanlo.com/images/hand-1.jpg


Adding to the strangeness - A student today set himself on fire at Standley Lake School in the Cafeteria. Immolation by flame.. WestMinister Colorado. (no where near the fault lines or near the ley line).

From USAToday - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/27/student-sets-self-on-fire/4939551/

"The fire broke out at about 7:15 a.m. MT, and was extinguished quickly.

"Spokeswoman Cheri Spottke of the Westminster Police Department said the teen had not made any statements before igniting himself.

"There is no indication there were any threats," she said.

"The teen reportedly doused himself with oil before setting himself on fire and left word of his intentions on social media. Spottke said she didn't know how the student started the fire.

"This is not someone's fault. I had this planned for years," the teen wrote in a social-media post. He went on to mention that friends over the weekend tried to talk him out of the suicide attempt. "If anyone says that they know why I did this, ... nobody knows and nobody will."

Is this timing part of the satanic new year window until Feb 1, 2014?


http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/62c8695723b5e6762b59a2a65708dd632b6aba77/c=104-4-370-360&r=183&c=0-0-180-238/local/-/media/USATODAY/test/2014/01/27//1390847634000-012714standley-lake-high-co.jpg

The reference to the satanic new year is discussed in post 42 above, initiated by a request by WeeZer to look at a link - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67808-Pope-s-PEACE-DOVES-attacked--&p=789806&viewfull=1#post789806

Ed Note - the amount of School incidents in the last couple months in Colorado seems proportionately very unusual and concerning to School officials and the Sheriff's department.

[jackovesk]

Of course it is just an accidental partial "wave" from the child on the Pope's right (the boy), his hand is positioned as thus:


http://chanlo.com/images/hand-1.jpg

(this is from the OP first post)

That is just a wave right?

Anybody familiar with "hand signing" ?

just asking,

it could only be purely a wave..
[...]

I'll repeat the earlier first OP, from AP, that is a still shot.

Whatever you choose to see, it's fine by me. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/loco.gif

There is no question the birds were attacked which was the OP of this thread. Or was that part of someone's imagination too (snicker)

Re: The still shot...

Just so we are clear...


"That (Still Shot) was taken off the youtube video just after the boy threw the Dove out the window, right..?"

[Bob]

jak - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67808-Pope-s-PEACE-DOVES-attacked--&p=789494&viewfull=1#post789494 - this is the OP

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72532000/jpg/_72532713_020791542-1.jpg - this is the image that BBC used in that article, as cited in the OP

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25905108 is the article that I cited and put in quotes.

That is what shows what it shows. That is what this THREAD is using as the discussion points, what was shown is what was shown. Argue with BBC if you don't like what they posted. I just posted what was present in the BBC article.

says REUTERs on the bottom of it, does not say it is from a movie, youtube or otherwise -

[jackovesk]

jak - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67808-Pope-s-PEACE-DOVES-attacked--&p=789494&viewfull=1#post789494 - this is the OP

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72532000/jpg/_72532713_020791542-1.jpg - this is the image that BBC used in that article, as cited in the OP

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25905108 is the article that I cited and put in quotes.

That is what shows what it shows. That is what this THREAD is using as the discussion points, what was shown is what was shown. Argue with BBC if you don't like what they posted. I just posted what was present in the BBC article.

says REUTERs on the bottom of it, does not say it is from a movie, youtube or otherwise -

This is the picture right...:yes4:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72532000/jpg/_72532713_020791542-1.jpg




1. IMHO - There is (NO) secret hand Signal...:nono:
2. The Boys hand gestures remain the (same), even when he tries to 'high 5' the Pope after the Doves were set free...
3. I wouldn't be surprised if the boy has some form of autism judging be his motor skills and mannerisms (only an observation)


So, without boring myself and you to death...

If you watch the video again, I'm sure you will agree...

The is (No) Secret hand signal...:nono:

[Bob]

Now, should or could I read into this (Dove-Attack) as a (Sign) or simply an everyday coincidence...

I saw this in the papers last night and saved the story so I could post a thread on it today, I am glad you beat me to it Bobd...:thumb:

Good to see...

Now getting back to rationalizing whether or not it was a (Sign) or (Coincidence)...???

Let me share with you something I use everyday when trying to make such a decision. Remote Viewing has taught me just 1 (Important-Thing)...


Trust the 1st Impression that comes to mind i.e. Don't think about, Don't discard it, go with what your Gut/Intuition is telling you...

The 1st non-judgemental thought that came to mind was that it was a....

SIGN...

A sign of where the Catholic Church/Vatican is today and where it is going..?

The vein of Secrecy is being unearthed and the Truth of the Catholic Church/Vatican and its (EVIL Satanic Practices) are surfacing for (ALL) to see...

The (Never-Ending COVERUPS) are being "Exposed" more frequently as we see the collective (Human Consciousness) come to the fore in the (Spiritual Battle) between (Good vs Evil)...

Long GONE are the days where these (EVIL SCUMBAGS) continually get away with it..!

The (Conscious Humanity Mindshift) towards the TRUTH, has been going on for sometime as most of you know...

...and Finally we are starting to get some Answers...

DOVES the Messengers of Peace, Love & Joy have been for Centuries (ABUSED) symbolically by the very people who (Stand Against) their very message...!

What you are now witnessing (1st Hand) is Humanities (Collective Consciousness) transferring into Spiritual form to finally 'Expose' and rid ourselves of the (Lies & Deception) that has enslaved mankind for millennium..!



Stay (Strong) stay (Vigilant) stay (Focused on the TRUTH) and (NEVER "EVER" GIVE IN) to the (CHARADE) of Control..!


Thankyou Mr. Seagull & Mr.Crow...

Jak - why don't you expand on what you were wanting to be getting to
- what you wanted to say so we can all understand more please?

I would appreciate that highly.

Thank you so much.

:peace: <<< note secret hand sign

[jackovesk]

Now, should or could I read into this (Dove-Attack) as a (Sign) or simply an everyday coincidence...

I saw this in the papers last night and saved the story so I could post a thread on it today, I am glad you beat me to it Bobd...:thumb:

Good to see...

Now getting back to rationalizing whether or not it was a (Sign) or (Coincidence)...???

Let me share with you something I use everyday when trying to make such a decision. Remote Viewing has taught me just 1 (Important-Thing)...


Trust the 1st Impression that comes to mind i.e. Don't think about, Don't discard it, go with what your Gut/Intuition is telling you...

The 1st non-judgemental thought that came to mind was that it was a....

SIGN...

A sign of where the Catholic Church/Vatican is today and where it is going..?

The vein of Secrecy is being unearthed and the Truth of the Catholic Church/Vatican and its (EVIL Satanic Practices) are surfacing for (ALL) to see...

The (Never-Ending COVERUPS) are being "Exposed" more frequently as we see the collective (Human Consciousness) come to the fore in the (Spiritual Battle) between (Good vs Evil)...

Long GONE are the days where these (EVIL SCUMBAGS) continually get away with it..!

The (Conscious Humanity Mindshift) towards the TRUTH, has been going on for sometime as most of you know...

...and Finally we are starting to get some Answers...

DOVES the Messengers of Peace, Love & Joy have been for Centuries (ABUSED) symbolically by the very people who (Stand Against) their very message...!

What you are now witnessing (1st Hand) is Humanities (Collective Consciousness) transferring into Spiritual form to finally 'Expose' and rid ourselves of the (Lies & Deception) that has enslaved mankind for millennium..!



Stay (Strong) stay (Vigilant) stay (Focused on the TRUTH) and (NEVER "EVER" GIVE IN) to the (CHARADE) of Control..!


Thankyou Mr. Seagull & Mr.Crow...

Jak - why don't you expand on what you were wanting to be getting to
- what you wanted to say so we can all understand more please?

I would appreciate that highly.

Thank you so much.

:peace: <<< note secret hand sign

My post 'above' depicts that I do believe it was some sort of Spritual 'Sign" with the Seagull & Crow attacking the Doves...:yes4:

However, as you can plainly see there was (No) mention of some Secret :spy: (Hand Signal) from the boy...:nono:

The reason I brought the so called (Secret-Hand Signal) into question is because the clearly is (No) Secret Hand Signal to debate...:nono:

So IMHO even suggesting there (may be) or (is) some sort or Secret (Hand Signal) is unsound and takes away from the (Credibility) of what started off as an excellent thread...

Just sayin is all...:noidea:

[Bob]

so dont worry about a secret hand signal that you don't see obviously.

people will see or understand what they believe their gut tells them, as you point out to us.

Show us where the points are that such motive is satanic, or sacrificial.

What do they gain by using small children the way they do.

Why was orchestrating an event of sacrifice of doves important to get attention?

Those are some great discussion points to get into where you told us your thoughts, please elaborate on them.

[SilentFeathers]

The whole hand thing could be a fluke, either way, there is way more symbolism and weirdness to this event than a split second position of the fingers.....IMO the boys hand making that signal is probably unintentional on the boys part, but, very intentional on the demonic energies and forces at work here. A childs innocence is of the utmost importance to these creep parasites and abusers. Francis himself may be ignorant to some of the things going on deep in the bowels of the church and with many of the people he's surrounded by..........but I'm pretty sure he's being educated about the things he does not know about at a close to light speed rate. If there's any humanity in him, he's probably wishing he was back in Argentina.

[Bob]

The whole hand thing could be a fluke, either way, there is way more symbolism and weirdness to this event than a split second position of the fingers.....IMO the boys hand making that signal is probably unintentional on the boys part, but, very intentional on the demonic energies and forces at work here.

A childs innocence is of the utmost importance to these creep parasites and abusers.

Francis himself may be ignorant to some of the things going on deep in the bowels of the church and with many of the people he's surrounded by..........but I'm pretty sure he's being educated about the things he does not know about at a close to light speed rate.

If there's any humanity in him, he's probably wishing he was back in Argentina.

I agree - does anyone know what the logo on the shirt was about, is it some organization that sends these kids to events like this, sponsors? Maybe there is some answer in there.

I wonder what the children would say afterwards about the birds he and she released? Do they even know, anyone able to follow up on that?

[SilentFeathers]

I tried to find something about their shirts earlier today and couldn't find anything.

[jackovesk]

I tried to find something about their shirts earlier today and couldn't find anything.

How about throwing a 'Real Spanner' into the works (ACR Style)...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh1szBMt-YY

[Bob]

Valle - today, in Colorado a child in a School in WestMinister burnt themselves, using OIL, (not gasoline).. that event happened. Immolation, child burning themselves. Why? Child would not say why they were doing what they did - apparently still alive, but 80% of the body burnt. Coincidence? I just ask these questions, being observant and trusting my gut feelings, first impressions..



after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what Christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy
as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of Rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened

I agree - this event was rigged - as was the lightening on the 11 February last year - And Ariel Sharon dead as it in a prophecy with the return of Christ.

They are trying to use peoples superstition to gain power. So there could be strange things coming our way..(rigged).

And I dont like this.. as it is about child sacrifice:

"Pope Francis noted that there were many children in the Square and said his thoughts go to a three-year child, burnt to death by members of the Southern Italian Calabria mafia after his grandfather failed to pay a drug debt to mobsters."
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-appeal-for-dialogue-in-ukraine

[Bob]

Jak - if you could get back on point, it should be helpful to the thread. You say you believe in the negativity happening:


A sign of where the Catholic Church/Vatican is today and where it is going..?

The vein of Secrecy is being unearthed and the Truth of the Catholic Church/Vatican and its (EVIL Satanic Practices) are surfacing for (ALL) to see...

If you can stay on topic I am sure the FORUM would appreciate it.

If you have anything to say about your statement that you made that you say you wanted to explain, please clarify. Thanks so much.

[SilentFeathers]

Patterns and synchronicity is the theme of the day now-a-days......everything needs to be looked at and carefully considered. The forces at work are powerful and the universe speaks quite clearly to those that listen carefully.

I know for a fact I've seen some beyond strange synchronicities recently that can not just be explained away regardless of how bizarre it seems.......the Elisa Lam - Lam Elisa (girl found in the LA water tank) is one example of bizarre I can think of right now.

this dove/child/pope event is no different IMO......the smallest detail could actually mean the most......

[Bob]

More info required, I didn't quite understand where you were going with this...:noidea:

I think I know what you were trying to say and would like to add some thoughts if we are on the same wavelength.

This whole conversation is about to go way (Deeper) than you could ever imagine...:)

Gladly. I was alluding to the many interpretations that can come of analyzing all the elements in this instance which are artificial, and all the elements which are natural. This assumes of course that the seagull and crow (S&C) were not in some way artificially induced which is improbable but not impossible.

One could liken the artificial proceedings of the church to the artificiality of domesticated doves. They both may look pretty and pristine, but are unrealistic and quite prey-able in contrast to real-world dispositions and considerations, the S&C.

It is funny that the children should be presented so, as though to imply that the youth is behind this man/organization, despite that the church has been most complicit in the perpetuation and coverup of child victimization.

That doves have been attacked during previous ceremonies, and that such things were not adequately prevented in this case could allude to the half-measures that seem to be put forth by the church in putting an end to such sexual (and worse) predation. In that case, the doves would represent the youth, the S&C representing the nefarious players in the church ready to descend upon them.

The colors the children are wearing and their positions on opposite sides could allude to the divine masculine and feminine pillars, yet their representatives are immature and otherwise unseasoned.

The domestication of the doves could represent the domestication of the church, its values and dispositions becoming increasingly distanced from the considerations of life outside the church. The vatican is its own sheltered environment from which its training and indoctrination seem sound. The S&C could then represent the inapplicability of the products of indoctrination when exposed to an unsheltered environment.

The more I think about it (and I have been for many hours!) the more it is like a kaleidoscope or an intricately faceted gem, where there seems to be endless ways of looking at it, each producing their own refraction or image.

Ultimately, I am struck by the impression that the Vatican participants had every intention of the ritual (did I say that, I meant 'ceremony' ^_~) producing a particular effect, appearance, disposition, and understanding. Crow (who is an old friend and one of my earliest sponsors) and Seagull decided to hijack the event and produce an entirely different dynamic that I find to be far more appropriate, amusing, accurate, and fitting.

Edit: Tesla,... wow that was awesome. Thank you for mentioning the whore ("of babylon" as she is sometimes referred), I hadn't thought of how to include that element, and the very much more that I hadn't even considered.

Brilliant elaboration - thank you for sharing that with us.

You mention the colors and somewhere in this thread there is mention of the initials on their shirts - the red and the blue. I referred to a thread started by Steve, about the statue of Baphomet with two children on either side, the girl apparently looking at the young boy, the boy looking up towards the elevated right hand sign that the statue has positioned. There has been mention of opposing spiritual influences - so trying then to identify what is what, and be observant, and trying to connect dots.

What I don't understand and could use some help with, is why two young children of opposite sex, at the side of the authority figure (in both cases a spiritual significance).. In both cases, the children appear to be happy. (I don't see how anyone could be happy looking at a goat/horned beast sitting on a chair, but whatever, eh? Symbolically there would be something to that, right?)

What is there supposed to be as far as significance's to that? The children standing next to the spiritual representatives...

I think we are getting some understanding that the bird situation may not have been an innocent coincidence or accident.

Anyone help on these Q's ?

[Rocky_Shorz]

True Mayans, recognize the 400 Days following the Calendar for celebration, which ended on the 25th of January the Following Day, one that is called "the new beginning"

the Pope releases 2 doves and one is attacked, by a crow...

which reminds me of Atticus and the 33...

the central group controlling the world, attacked peace...

hmmm...

no signs there at all...

[Shezbeth]

In my estimation - as mentioned - both the gender of the children and the colors allude to the divine masculine and feminine qualities inherent in humanity and in nature.

Either case shows them situated around the respective potentate in a manner that suggests several things, the first being that the 'leader' is one who has unified the dualism of gender, both with the baphomet statue and the pope. In either case, the spiritual representative takes on a fatherly figure symbolism, as well as to imply that the masculine and feminine are subject to - children in the face of - the spiritual leader/teacher/god (aberrant IMO).

I further intuit the suggestion that the children are active/willing participants, that it is safe/correct to do so (sort of an attempt at re-branding the particular group's image - they're happy to do it!) as both churches progress into the future hoping to inspire greater receptivity in the younger generations. The baphomet statue in particular is one that has alot of ground to cover in the mindset of the masses. In either case however, there seems the direct attempt to indicate figuratively that these are the rightful teachers of the pseudo every-boy and every-girl, particularly with the pope who to signify the validity of this impression they produce 'peace' in the form of the two doves.

I'm going from memory so this last bit might be off, but bear with. As I recall the divine masculine is often represented with the color red, the feminine being blue, but these colors are in opposition to the respective child. You have a male representative wearing the colors of the divine female and a female representative wearing the colors of the divine male. I suppose this could be a subliminal encouraging or even en-spelling (ritualistically) an increasingly disparate relationship between gender identities that is being encouraged within males and females most visibly in the media; Divide and conquer, but in this case internally.

Get 'em while they're young. Who said that? I believe it was the Jesuits.

[Bob]

I believe you have the clarity Shezbeth. Thanks for that. Is the concept of "the children" to be representative of purity and innocence? The sacrifice of children is ancient too (just checked through some history on that).. As are sacrifices of pure animals. To whom? for what? Power, favors, adoration?

Therefore those competing would be competing to convince the children they are the "right" or appropriate "father figure", correct?

[Shezbeth]

Interpretation of symbolism works the same whether the medium is metaphysics or literary works; I've read many books is all. ^_~

[Valle]

Valle - today, in Colorado a child in a School in WestMinister burnt themselves, using OIL, (not gasoline).. that event happened. Immolation, child burning themselves. Why? Child would not say why they were doing what they did - apparently still alive, but 80% of the body burnt. Coincidence? I just ask these questions, being observant and trusting my gut feelings, first impressions..



after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what Christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy
as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of Rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened

I agree - this event was rigged - as was the lightening on the 11 February last year - And Ariel Sharon dead as it in a prophecy with the return of Christ.

They are trying to use peoples superstition to gain power. So there could be strange things coming our way..(rigged).

And I dont like this.. as it is about child sacrifice:

"Pope Francis noted that there were many children in the Square and said his thoughts go to a three-year child, burnt to death by members of the Southern Italian Calabria mafia after his grandfather failed to pay a drug debt to mobsters."
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-appeal-for-dialogue-in-ukraine


I had recently seen this intervju so I had the Vatican crimes in the top of my memory.

thepeoplesvoice.tv: Birth Of A New Earth - Rev. Kevin Annett discusses Vatican Crimes & Child Rape
Nab7IBb9670

[korgh]

The raven attacks and kills pigeons by natural instinct and can devastate bird colonies to dominate the territory they are located.
For some breeders of pigeons, the crows are a large concern.

http://i43.tinypic.com/ori80y.jpg

Here, a raven caught killing a pigeon: (contains scenes that some viewers may find disturbing)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uolGs_Y2QMU

Some species of gulls are quite aggressive and defend their territory against all intruders, including humans, darting flying low over it. An interesting feature of these birds is that they can migrate to the Arctic during the Antarctic winter.
Perhaps we can also include the fact that these species are in direct confrontation by territorial or food issues.

http://i43.tinypic.com/qryyi0.jpg

Also, there is some facts in youtube (contains scenes that some viewers may find disturbing)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nZhn-Zzlrk


In fact, on these "satanic days", events like this suggest something darker than an episode of National Geographic ....
My two cents

Cheers

[chocolate]

Okay, after sleeping on it (I had another...hm...heartbreaking revelation that has nothing to do with this), but I think I see this one also more clearly.

Bobd, you know I have great respect for your wisdom?!
Jacko is also dear to me.

But this is only me speaking now:
there was a presentation of ritual sacrifice, done by the divinity in man. (It made me sick to my stomach. Next time I see the pope I will thr*w up).
I think we are too much looking for secret gestures while it is done in a more obvious way. I see a hand and yes, it might have a secret message, but in the current situation I doubt it.

Everything mentioned in the thread about the ritual, the hidden message behind it, the children and the colors of their clothing, everything for me is valid.

I also agree they are using the natural predisposition of having crows and seagulls around.

Now, after I just wrote this, I saw it as a final desperate gesture of a weakened and sick man (religion) on its death bed. I don't know, but I also sense a bit of sadness in me.

Just occurred to me:
The dove represents peace, but also love, and innocence. Adam And Eve were thrown out of the garden of Eden when they tasted the fruit of knowledge , they lost their innocence ...

We have been eating from that tree of knowledge on the forum for a very long time. Overall mankind has had a lot of knowledge brought forward in the last few years if not decades.

I know it would be a stretch of the imagination to think of the (Vatican) religion as something that represents and cultivates innocence and love, but in the broader perspective religion is supposed to be doing just that, reminding mankind of the divinity in him.
Those (sick) people might have just shown that in their bloody message.

One of my neighbors takes care of doves, just across the street. I love waking up to the voices of (my) doves. Everyone that sacrifices doves will leave my hart and all the love in it.
end of rant.

[chocolate]

Assassin's Creed Revelations Full Soundtrack
vfa52ha4LSA

as a side note, this is awesome. I have no idea what Assassin's Creed Revelations is, but the music is great. Will investigate. Thank you RunningDeer!

[Hervé]

FWIW...

Gypsy's/Tzigan's tradition as recounted by Pierre Derlon holds that humanity couldn't have chosen worse than doves for their symbol of peace... being the cruelest of animals in their books.

Also, the same tradition holds that "white" is the color that represents "death"... hence "sacrifice"... you know... white weddings... altar boys... etc....

[SilentFeathers]

What also must be considered is that the Pope was talking about Ukraine during this ceremony. The Pope called for harmony in the Ukraine right before the doves were released.

From wiki:


Ukraine has long been a world breadbasket due to its fertile conditions. The country, as of 2011, was the world's third-largest grain exporter. In 2011 the harvest was much larger than average harvest and export fees had been lowered.[16] Ukraine is one of ten most attractive agricultural land acquisition regions.

Sevastopol, which houses the Russian Black Sea Fleet under a leasing agreement. Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Ukraine continues to maintain the second-largest military in Europe, after that of Russia.

What is really going on in Ukraine? The PM just resigned also.....

Are we once again seeing the west stir up a hornets nest in another country? West vs. Russia?



The current crisis in Ukraine has its genesis in trade policy, with the protests originating in reaction to President Viktor Yanukovich’s Vilnius Summit about-face, turning to Russia for a bail-out package rather than initialling a much-anticipated Ukraine-E.U. association agreement.

Moreover, despite the fact that Ukraine already trades more with the European Union than with Russia, the Russian deal remained more attractive to those in power for two reasons: it contained a sweetheart deal on natural gas, and it came with a $15-billion cheque at no cost. European integration, on the other hand, would have required economic and legal reforms to bring the post-Soviet state to E.U. standards – including such things as anti-corruption legislation and anti-trust laws that might be unwelcome by the billionaire oligarch class of robber barons dominating Ukraine’s economy and ultimately controlling its politics.

But it is precisely through the business class that the West can map a road for Ukraine to its rightful place among European nations. The only way to break the status quo is convince the ruling elites that Europe and North America are ultimately more prosperous alternatives to the creaky-yet-convenient Russian market.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/a-rush-to-sanctions-will-only-drive-ukraine-closer-to-putin/article16540957/

Putin also very recently met with the Pope....


Putin to Meet Pope Francis as Church Relations Warm
25 November 2013 | Issue 5262
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-to-meet-pope-francis-as-church-relations-warm/490150.html

and on Dec 18, 2013 (this is a HUGE deal)


Ukraine and Russia have signed a major economic trade deal, despite massive protests in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, for European Union integration, with Moscow promising massive financial assistance and cuts in natural gas prices.
While there was shouting in Kyiv, there was applause at the Kremlin.
Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin signed an agreement that has slashed the cost of natural gas sold to Ukraine by one-third.
Moscow has also pledged to buy billions of dollars' worth of Ukrainian government bonds, as the country faces a major economic crisis.
http://www.news.va/en/news/ukraine-russia-seal-trade-deal

I thought about this for a while before posting thinking I may be going off in the wrong direction, but after much thought I think this has very much to do with the topic of this thread, relating very much with the releasing/sacrifice of the doves and the power behind the Vatican.....and the innocence of the blood of children in some sick way......possibly sealing a deal between the Vatican and Russia.

If this is true, this in a way is a large separation between the Vatican and England......and besides, this is not too far fetched at all considering there was a huge separation and problems with the western bankers (JP Morgan being one of them) and the Vatican just a year or two ago.

This deal between Russia and the Ukraine (with Vatican support) is a huge deal for Russia, economically and on the military front....especially when it comes to Syria and Iran, and other problems in the Middle East.

also....


The Holy See is the only European subject of international law to have diplomatic relations with the Republic of China (Taiwan), although informal talks between the Holy See and the government of the People's Republic of China on the reestablishment of diplomatic relations have been reported.

During the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI relations were established Montenegro (2006), the United Arab Emirates (2007), Botswana (2008), the Russian Federation (2009), Malaysia (2011) and South Sudan (2013).[20] "Relations of a special nature" had previously been in place with Russia similar to those that continue to exist with the Palestinian Liberation Organization.[21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_Holy_See

PS: and I just looked down and the clock on my computer say 9-11 am.......synchronicity once again is telling me I am on to something :)

[korgh]

Okay, after sleeping on it (I had another...hm...heartbreaking revelation that has nothing to do with this), but I think I see this one also more clearly.

Bobd, you know I have great respect for your wisdom?!
Jacko is also dear to me.

But this is only me speaking now:
there was a presentation of ritual sacrifice, done by the divinity in man. (It made me sick to my stomach. Next time I see the pope I will thr*w up).
I think we are too much looking for secret gestures while it is done in a more obvious way. I see a hand and yes, it might have a secret message, but in the current situation I doubt it.

Everything mentioned in the thread about the ritual, the hidden message behind it, the children and the colors of their clothing, everything for me is valid.

I also agree they are using the natural predisposition of having crows and seagulls around.

Now, after I just wrote this, I saw it as a final desperate gesture of a weakened and sick man (religion) on its death bed. I don't know, but I also sense a bit of sadness in me.

Just occurred to me:
The dove represents peace, but also love, and innocence. Adam And Eve were thrown out of the garden of Eden when they tasted the fruit of knowledge , they lost their innocence ...

We have been eating from that tree of knowledge on the forum for a very long time. Overall mankind has had a lot of knowledge brought forward in the last few years if not decades.

I know it would be a stretch of the imagination to think of the (Vatican) religion as something that represents and cultivates innocence and love, but in the broader perspective religion is supposed to be doing just that, reminding mankind of the divinity in him.
Those (sick) people might have just shown that in their bloody message.

One of my neighbors takes care of doves, just across the street. I love waking up to the voices of (my) doves. Everyone that sacrifices doves will leave my hart and all the love in it.
end of rant.

Yep.. i understand your point of view.

Religion, esotericism or events that involve some mystical energy, I always try to seek some logic answer behind it all, something that has some scientific explanation.
I never commented here,but most part of my education (since 6 until 17yo) was in a Jesuit college ... (LOL do not kill me plz.. I'm a rebel :)..)
My family is Catholic, very conservative and still hear sometimes that I'm the black sheep of the family because I always have to challenge things should not about religion. I should to keep my mouth closed most of times...
Many things that contributed to the technological advancement of mankind were once considered witchcraft. The nature of the human being tries to explain what it does not understand as supernatural. I believe there is something behind all this, but I try to keep some part of the active scientific reason in "orange alert" condition
We must keep an open spirit to changes but with the mind awake and sharp.

by the way, my father in law is a pigeon breeder.
...and they make too much noise early in the morning... mainly when i need few hours more to recovering from "scotch" abuse.

Cheers

[chocolate]

the rebels are the better (fallen) angels ;)
apology Bobd. I am outta here in a minute. It was way too challenging not to comment.

Silentfeathers, I think you are on the right track. I haven't done that kind of thinking, but sure sounds as if it is true.
(just so that I don't derail the thread too much)

I also did not know doves are viewed as cruel by the gypsies. Will go research that, too.

[Bob]

Okay, after sleeping on it (I had another...hm...heartbreaking revelation that has nothing to do with this), but I think I see this one also more clearly.
[...]
there was a presentation of ritual sacrifice, done by the divinity in man.

[...]



Agreed, clear and precise and as mentioned the sum total of the events sets the stage for the activity to manifest - that is part of the "setup" for "ritual" (ritual anything is a function of the setup, the regalia, the "emotional charge") --- all of that is magick, and how such is accomplished using the vibe of the masses. ETHICAL use one tends to feel is about being steward ship. Abuse of good stewardship and we find that we have been "cut to the quick", burnt to the core, slammed at soul level..



[...]
Everything mentioned in the thread about the ritual, the hidden message behind it, the children and the colors of their clothing, everything for me is valid.

I also agree they are using the natural predisposition of having crows and seagulls around.

Now, after I just wrote this, I saw it as a final desperate gesture of a weakened and sick man (religion) on its death bed. I don't know, but I also sense a bit of sadness in me.

Just occurred to me:
The dove represents peace, but also love, and innocence. Adam And Eve were thrown out of the garden of Eden when they tasted the fruit of knowledge , they lost their innocence ...

We have been eating from that tree of knowledge on the forum for a very long time. Overall mankind has had a lot of knowledge brought forward in the last few years if not decades.

I know it would be a stretch of the imagination to think of the (Vatican) religion as something that represents and cultivates innocence and love, but in the broader perspective religion is supposed to be doing just that, reminding mankind of the divinity in him.
Those (sick) people might have just shown that in their bloody message.

One of my neighbors takes care of doves, just across the street. I love waking up to the voices of (my) doves. Everyone that sacrifices doves will leave my hart and all the love in it.
end of rant.

And that is what discussion is about, to not suppress it but to open it up to lets THINK ON IT, lets try to connect dots.

We do that by observing, by "bouncing off the walls" and if we are thinking about family we pick our selves up and find where we can help each other become stronger.

The narcissist egocentric psychopathic sociopath (mouth full) only wants attention on them and never wants others to become more able. The narcissistic egocentric psychopathic sociopath cripples minds, cripples bodies, steps on creativity - being able to see and connect and extrapolate are some of the greatest gifts mankind has, and can have more of when we are able to silence the internal dialog (the constant think think think), and then take a look around and with knowingness, see what is happening, understand how to get to the next step, and start to take steps to get there (doingness)..

I just talked about beingness, the first step - it is not about ego push, its not about wearing the fancy clothes, carrying the fancy staff, or wearing the sacred ring. It is more more Mother Terresa in viewpoint, the care about others and the facilitating of programs, be it consciousness, or schooling or providing ways for folks to know how to build better and safer communities. That gets into the stewardship we expect and want to respect in any leader..

If that is not there in either side, the goat side, or the man side, we have nothing to look up to, we have nothing to try to emulate. We turn back not to society, but back to tooth and claw, and become more beast than evolved being.. Where is the role model?

What is considered important. For me, it is any possible way that humanity can be assisted to get to the next stage, whatever that could be that assists where wisdom can be derived, and then to share that, to open a door. If the person chooses to learn, look, explore, that's ok, as it is perfectly OK to not explore. But don't push others who want to explore backwards - we expect our role models to assist not hinder.

Bob

[SilentFeathers]

hey Bob, what do you think about my last post about the Ukraine?

Also, keep notice; I'm predicting a wave of "events" and stories in the media coming soon about demons, possession, exorcisms, etc...

[Bob]

I think it is spot on. Brilliant connection of dots.

Ed: Absolutely including the prediction.. All of that would have to be there - very well done !

[Bob]

We've talked about this as a group - with the Syrian issues, and other events about to unfold..

Observation is the first step, the identify step, know what is happening.. I suppose getting into Quantum consciousness, a state of knowingness can happen, and then changes to outcome could be the next step. I believe drama is about to get our attention to learn and then understand - such becomes a tool in a school. ID and then start to look at what ideal scene could be. Test it, can it happen? If it can not, what HAS NOT yet been observed. Then motivate with joy and compassion, where the highest wisdom gained is the focus, the greatest amount of consciousness.. The joy quanta I believe are more powerful than the hate-conflict, they say love conquers fear, fear creates the pulling in separation from the Allness..

[Chanlo23]

the hand gesture is significant and it has been altered. .. There is no internal loop for its inner god to tranfer the blessing. You will notice that the mudras are so delicately different. Every tiny difference connects different conduits and channels. Slight varyants are so had to pick up unless you know what to look for.

During therapeutic massage/energy/healing sessions, folks spontaneously move their bodies into positions (and their hands/fingers) that connect known and little known energy systems in the body. Sometimes this appears to be an unconscious/spontaneous form of dispelling negative energy or stress (physical, spiritual, emotional) during the session, but at others it appears to be a form of communication with the inner/higher self and/or those present because there was/is an accompanying 'aha' that was vocalized by the person. I have even seen the skin seemingly display symbols or images in dark red, almost purple, (stigmata?) that fade after the session is over. Again, this appears to be a type of communication.

These positions DO correspond to known forms used in esoteric symbology (whether magical, religious, etc.) and they most often are variants. That variation is important and significant - as Nanoo says.

When the mind is distracted, as it might be by performing a physical act such as releasing the birds, the body will/can communicate further in the form of such gestures (or be used as a conduit).

Some folks will NOT see any conduit/channel of communication in these gestures, and that is OK. I do. That is OK too. Neither perception proves the presence or absence of meaning.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

i dont think the wave ( symbol ) was intentional personally .. his hand happened to be in that position when he released the dove....

N

[SilentFeathers]

We've talked about this as a group - with the Syrian issues, and other events about to unfold..

Observation is the first step, the identify step, know what is happening.. I suppose getting into Quantum consciousness, a state of knowingness can happen, and then changes to outcome could be the next step. I believe drama is about to get our attention to learn and then understand - such becomes a tool in a school. ID and then start to look at what ideal scene could be. Test it, can it happen? If it can not, what HAS NOT yet been observed. Then motivate with joy and compassion, where the highest wisdom gained is the focus, the greatest amount of consciousness.. The joy quanta I believe are more powerful than the hate-conflict, they say love conquers fear, fear creates the pulling in separation from the Allness..

As we observe, the mind can not help but to "digest" things through symbolism, it's how the mind works. With you noticing the boys fingers in a certain signal position really doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, it happened, it can not be denied it happened, and you saw it. It is a part of the event.

If it wasn't intentional, were supernatural forces causing it and causing it to be noticed? Is it foolish to think supernatural energies or forces were not involved in at least some parts of the whole event? Is the whole event just filled with coincidences and meaningless other than it being just a simple peace offering? Personally, I think not, my intuition, mind, heart and soul does not accept it being a simple peace offering when I observe the event from many different angles and start connecting different cycles, patterns, and synchronicity to it.

The history of the Vatican perhaps influences us to see things a certain way, but why is that? Perhaps it is because history has proven that simply little peace offers coming out of the Vatican often have been contradictory to their actions and behaviors.......the deception over time from the Vatican becomes less effective and those observing closely having a degree of the "knowing" often times see's things to a certain degree for what they really are.

[Bob]

Bravo SilentFeathers.

BTW, There are as you predicted, articles appearing about possession.. spot on..

[SilentFeathers]

Bravo SilentFeathers.

BTW, There are as you predicted, articles appearing about possession.. spot on..

Yeah, I seen the one from Indiana, just wait though, there soon will be several cases being mentioned in the MSM from all over the place.

[SilentFeathers]

Sacrificing doves one day, a rock star the next!!!!! LOL!

http://www.corrienteshoy.com/galeria/rolling-stone-pope-francis.jpg

[Valle]

The "rigged" second coming are soon here??.. together with Project Blue Beam?

[raregem]

FWIW...

Gypsy's/Tzigan's tradition as recounted by Pierre Derlon holds that humanity couldn't have chosen worse than doves for their symbol of peace... being the cruelest of animals in their books.

Also, the same tradition holds that "white" is the color that represents "death"... hence "sacrifice"... you know... white weddings... altar boys... etc....


Interesting. My dear Aunt volunteered at a Heritage house -in a small, historic town -outside of Austin, Tx.
There was a homemade wedding dress from the late 1800's with a small hand beaded, matching purse. Guess what color it was............B L A C K ........... . I was told wedding dresses used to be black and black represented the Christian GOD. Remember Johnnie Cash usually wore black? He was very Spiritual and honored God through his clothing.