Discussion on blood types

[donk]

***mods please merge if this has been done!

I wanted to start a discussion about blood types, what we know as far scientific and esoteric information regarding them and their importance....from the most nuts & bolts physical data to the farthest-out theory of what significance they may have that may not be apparentl to the medical community.

I'll start with the basics, from the Red Cross (a surely benign symbol they chose for that organization, I am certain :p):


Blood Types

Although all blood is made of the same basic elements, not all blood is alike. In fact, there are eight different common blood types, which are determined by the presence or absence of certain antigens – substances that can trigger an immune response if they are foreign to the body. Since some antigens can trigger a patient's immune system to attack the transfused blood, safe blood transfusions depend on careful blood typing and cross-matching.


The ABO Blood Group System

There are four major blood groups determined by the presence or absence of two antigens – A and B – on the surface of red blood cells:

•Group A – has only the A antigen on red cells (and B antibody in the plasma)
•Group B – has only the B antigen on red cells (and A antibody in the plasma)
•Group AB – has both A and B antigens on red cells (but neither A nor B antibody in the plasma)
•Group O – has neither A nor B antigens on red cells (but both A and B antibody are in the plasma)
There are very specific ways in which blood types must be matched for a safe transfusion:

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In addition to the A and B antigens, there is a third antigen called the Rh factor, which can be either present (+) or absent ( – ). In general, Rh negative blood is given to Rh-negative patients, and Rh positive blood or Rh negative blood may be given to Rh positive patients.

•The universal red cell donor has Type O negative blood type.
•The universal plasma donor has Type AB positive blood type.

Blood Types and the Population

O positive is the most common blood type. Not all ethnic groups have the same mix of these blood types. Hispanic people, for example, have a relatively high number of O’s, while Asian people have a relatively high number of B’s. The mix of the different blood types in the U.S. population is:

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Some patients require a closer blood match than that provided by the ABO positive/negative blood typing. For example, sometimes if the donor and recipient are from the same ethnic background the chance of a reaction can be reduced. That’s why an African-American blood donation may be the best hope for the needs of patients with sickle cell disease, 98 percent of whom are of African-American descent.

How Is My Blood Type Determined?

It’s inherited. Like eye color, blood type is passed genetically from your parents. Whether your blood group is type A, B, AB or O is based on the blood types of your mother and father.

This chart shows the potential blood types you may inherit.
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...sorry the charts didn't make, they are quite nice:

http://www.redcrossblood.org/learn-about-blood/blood-types

Most of the "alternative" theories I've seen offered on the subject relate to O negative type blood, I was particularly interested in the opposite--as I am AB+ and there's not much out there on that...

[Valle]

Its a bit strange that we have an antibody against a specific monkey, against rhesus monkey = RH+

[MorningSong]

WE don't have " an antibody against a specific monkey". That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

...the research boys just kept the nomenclature after playing with monkey blood and rabbits; they were too lazy to come up with a new name for the antigens on our red blood cells that acted similarly to those of the monkey's in the rabbits' blood.


Klar jetz?


In 1939, Philip Levine and Rufus Stetson published in a first case report the clinical consequences of non-recognized Rh factor, hemolytic transfusion reaction and hemolytic disease of the newborn in its most severe form.[1] It was recognized that the serum of the reported woman agglutinated with red blood cells of about 80% of the people although the then known blood groups, in particular ABO were matched. No name was given to this agglutinin when described for the first time. In 1940, Karl Landsteiner and Alexander S. Wiener reported a serum that also reacted with about 85% of different human red blood cells.[2] This serum was produced by immunizing rabbits with red blood cells from Rhesus macaque. The antigen that induced this immunization was designated by them as Rh factor "to indicate that rhesus blood had been used for the production of the serum."[3]

Based on the serologic similarities Rh factor was later also used for antigens, and anti-Rh for antibodies, found in humans such as the previously described by Levine and Stetson. Although differences between these two sera were shown already in 1942 and clearly demonstrated in 1963, the already widely used term "Rh" was kept for the clinically described human antibodies which are different from the ones related to the Rhesus monkey. This real factor found in Rhesus macaque was classified in the Landsteiner-Wiener antigen system (antigen LW, antibody anti-LW) in honor of the discoverers.[4][5] It was recognized that the Rh factor was just one in a system of various antigens. Based on different models of genetic inheritance, two different terminologies were developed; both of them are still in use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_blood_group_system

[8Adamas8]

links to O- theories?

[donk]

links to O- theories?

Well I think David Icke may have brought a lot of attention to it in the alternative community, at least a reptilian connection, maybe? (but i may be remembering incorrectly)...people who think they are star seeds seem to have a theory...I remember Tesla (avalon poster, not Nickola) mentioning it a couple times...there's tons of stuff out there but i'm wondering from those that have done the homework what they think might be legit or worth reading up on...

[Valle]

"That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard"= rude

The swedish wikipedia dont mention this.. and to me it was strange that we have an atibody agains an monkey.. but I see now that it says that this antigen was first discoverd on rhesusmonkeys.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blodgrupp

[MorningSong]

I didn't say you were absurd...but the comment made....sorry.

I say a lot of silly things too, at times.

Prove you affermation and I might change my mind... I am here to learn, too.

[Kimberley]

I do not know much about it however I have been told that in Japan blood types have certain personalities associated with them. I learned this from a not Japanese friend of mine married to a Japanese women.

Here is one of many articles about this:

The importance of blood type in Japanese culture http://www.japantoday.com/category/lifestyle/view/the-importance-of-blood-type-in-japanese-culture

[STR]

I have read and seen on video a physician saying negative blood people cannot be cloned.

The Japanese and Zuni among other groups of peoples/cultures are keen on blood types and realize that some do not get on well with one another. Its not uncommon on a Jap job interview to ask blood type for this reason. Some blood type clashes are not allowed, not to work together or marry even! In these cultures like others, God did this like for difference in culture, skin color, language and so on all to stir conflict and animosity between peoples. This to stir growth and learning from the stimulation, which prevents humanity getting complacent and thus, humanity as a whole grows and learns to master life's course at a faster pace to prepare for that place we hope to navigate one day as spiritually enlightened master beings of the course we are on not out of control lunatics bouncing around like a falling stone out of control down the mountain side!

Much as a hard storm can at times damage the plant, the plant still must recover. It is pushed and discovers just how far it can be pushed, how low it can go before coming back, what pain and joy feel like on the way and more. This 'stimulus' reality is something we all have in common living on the surface of a planet isn't it? A storm, a natural disaster be it an earthquake, tsunami, asteroid crash to earth or any number of volcano pop offs on the planet do the same for humanity as a hard storm to a plant. Earth teaches unconditionally loving but indifferent because the ancient Chinese proverbs hit it on the head you see? Calm seas do not make for skillful sailors.

[donk]

Chinese proverbs hit it on the head you see? Calm seas do not make for skillful sailors.

But real knowledge does, and thanks to everyone for sharing theirs.

So the medical industry likes to use an mis-named identifier as the second most important (Rhesus factor second to ABO) out of 30 that wiki says they now recognize, what are the chances that those two are really the ones that those interested in such things (bloodlines, genetics, etc)?

They make it seem simple with the A/B/O and +/- , but it's obviously more complex...I guess the question is: is the devil in the details? Or does that cover all that's important to us as beings inhabiting these physical meatbags?

I look forward to checking out the Asian correlation with personality types, that's for that...

[Sloppyjoe]

Is it a coincidence that many people who are interested in the supernatural are O negative? I myself being one of them.

Perhaps the O negative blood was created at some point in time when ET copulated with humans.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

O- is the universal donor; i.e. doctors say that anyone other blood type can accept it; although they might have some shortcomings, the O- people can save your life!

My father was O-, if I remember correctly. My mother, A+. I follow after her, according to a test I did on myself (teacher cut the heck out of my finger because I was a sissy lol) in high school.

I am not very familiar with the David Icke thing, but I should point out (again) that my dad loved reptiles and even wanted to be a herpetologist!
One of my dreams about him after he passed away involved "snake people" gathered around his deathbed...!!

Also, he loved to hunt rattlesnakes and other venomous snakes -- not to eradicate them, necessarily, but perhaps to eliminate some of them from places that were inhabited by people. The number of snakes killed in Appalachia by humans is likely much lower than in states like Texas, where an organized drive hunt is staged every year (I think). Pretty sad. The car and the introduction of species such as pigs and turkeys have all but driven such animals to extinction in areas where they were once a common sight.

There are many wonderful and relatively harmless (insect eaters!) snakes, turtles, lizards, etc. Not to mention all the cool amphibians.
These animals typically eat to live, and don't kill to torture -- or torture to kill. They simply kill to survive.

Human survival has been colored very deeply throughout history by the color of blood...
For example, the Scottish Clans. The Crichtons lived fairly close to some of my ancestors, and also near the Kennedys.
Unfortunately the Crichtons also held an ill-fated dinner (copied in the HBO series "A Game of Thrones" referred to by historians as "The Black Supper".)

edit: I just looked that up and I was right, lmao: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Crichton,_1st_Lord_Crichton
During the King's minority, Archibald Douglas, 5th Earl of Douglas was Regent. At his death Crichton and Sir Alexander Livingston fought to overthrow the power of the Black Douglas family. In 1440 they invited the 16-year-old William Douglas, 6th Earl of Douglas and his brother to dinner in Edinburgh Castle, and murdered them, despite the young King's pleas for their lives.[6] This brutal incident of murder and betrayal of hospitality has become known as the ‘Black Dinner’ and was an inspiration for the famous "Red Wedding" massacre in the Game of Thrones series.[7]

David Icke wouldn't have to look very far back into the history of the white race to see a great example of what he calls "cold blooded killers"!!

:(

But as to the Rhesus factor and universal donor bit -- tsk tsk!
I think maybe we are chemically sensitive to people who are different, and have an instinctive dislike for anyone with a chemical advantage over ourselves!
Hence the sad, persecuted lives of such comic characters as Wolverine, Beast, etc.!!!

lol

:madgrin:

not sure wtf to think of this: http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/30231-beyond-the-pale-the-rh-neg-blood-type-mystery/

But I do remember something from another comic... heh... the character MAZIKEEN from Lucifer/Sandman...

"The daughter of Ophur, of the serpent chain -- it is folly to offer her poison; she laughs at the dagger and the poisoned chalice"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazikeen_(comics)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Mazikeen.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9116/686597-lucifer6.png

As it happens, Mazi is proficient with a form of magic called "blood magic", which is inherited (!) from her father (!) via Lilith (her mom).

And Jewish mythology:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/tfm/tfm186.htm


And the Mazikeen shall not come near thy tents.

IT has long been an established article of belief among the Jews that there is a species of beings which they call Shedeem, Shehireem, or Mazikeen. These beings exactly correspond to the Arabian Jinn; and the Jews hold that it is by means of them that all acts of magic and enchantment are performed.

The Talmud says that the Shedeem were the offspring of Adam. After he had eaten of the Tree of life, Adam was excommunicated for one hundred and thirty years. "In all those years," saith Rabbi Jeremiah Ben E'liezar, "during which Adam was under excommunication, he begat spirits, demons, and spectres of the night, as it is written, 'Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begat children in his likeness and in his image,' which teaches, that till that time he bad not begotten them in his own likeness." In Berasbith Rabba, R. Simon says, "During all the one hundred and thirty years that Adam was separate from Eve, male spirits lay with her, and she bare by them, and female spirits lay with Adam, and bare by him."

These Shedeem or Mazikeen are held to resemble the angels in three things. They can see and not be seen; they have wings and can fly; they know the future. In three respects they resemble mankind: they eat and drink; they marry and have children; they are subject to death. it may be added, they have the power of assuming any form they please; and so the agreement between them and the Jinn of the Arabs is complete.

Moses Edrehi, a learned Jew of Morocco, has translated into Spanish for us several of the tales of the Mazikeen contained in the Talmud and Rabbinical writings. We select the following as specimens; and according to our usual custom, adhere strictly to our original. lol

...also...


The story that melds women and sorcery forever in the Jewish imagination occurs in the book of Samuel. In the story of the Witch of Endor, King Saul goes looking for a witch. He faces an imminent Philistine attack on Israel and has been abandoned by relatives and allies. He confronts a ringing silence when he seeks God’s advice in dreams. Driven by desperation, Saul asks his servants to find him a diviner, a woman who can conjure ghosts and establish some communication with the supernatural realm.

In the Torah no biographical detail is incidental, and it was Saul himself who had earlier cleared the land of diviners and spirit mediums. The magic industry, of course, was not eliminated but rather went underground, and he eventually discovers the Witch of Endor, whom he visits in disguise under the veil of night. The Witch voices suspicion that he is an undercover agent working for the King, looking to entrap her. Saul swears to God (never a good thing to do in the Bible’s estimation) that no harm will befall her. But when the Witch of Endor beholds the risen spirit of the Prophet Samuel, she sees through Saul’s disguise and demands to know the motivation for his deception. The risen Prophet reprimands Saul for calling on the dead for advice and promises him defeat, death, and the genealogical loss of the throne. By the end, a petrified Saul lies catatonic on the floor.

It is the Witch of Endor who emerges as the story’s most compassionate character. Her magic does not appear so black when she recognizes Saul’s terror and consoles him. She behaves like a good citizen, guiding the King from the ground to a bed and cooking a hearty meal for him and his servants. Her hospitality and nurture show the words of a living witch to be more comforting than those of a dead prophet. She cuts a figure of a witch as a life-giving force. At the same time, the fact that she is such an exemplary Jewish woman implies that spirit conjuring and magic may not be so uncommon among the Daughters of Israel.