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Tesla_WTC_Solution
1st February 2014, 19:55
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Honor those who served

Another Avalon user called me a "Cocker Spaniel" this week, in a thread no one should really worry about (because it doesn't matter very much). What he meant by that was to imply I am not a genuine person, that the things I share here are not "real" as you understand the word in day-to-day life.

To prove that I am not an agent provocateur or armchair quarterback pretender, I am going to scan and upload a document from my military record regarding substances encountered by our troops when they are sent to fight wars for oil, natural gas, uranium, nuclear security, etc.

This isn't a classified document, to my knowledge, but maybe distributed on a need to know basis. On that note, I think you guys need to know why some of the guys came home so sick between 2000-2014:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/501x600q90/546/tzwu.png

The document says to go to the VA for help after exposure to these hazards.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/458x397q90/691/lr5r.png

But you can see that it isn't that easy for most US military personnel.
Those loyal to their state are not given the same treatment as active duty members divorced from governor's duties.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/666x397q90/833/dqau.png

We had to sign a waiver and a medical release form before being allowed to leave K2. It was a mandatory part of outprocessing to sign, under duress, a form forgiving the US government for putting us in harm's way, and denying exposure to harmful agents.

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Two of my best friends at the base lost their jobs within one year of returning home from this location. I later attributed this to Mefloquine poisoning for one of them, and for the other, an experimental vaccine administered in the desert.

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Glenn and Jerry, God rest your souls. And for the rest for us, God have mercy.

I don't expect anyone will come after me or care that I shared this with you guys.
But as a personal favor to me, stop with the name calling, I am a US veteran who served with honor.

I saw my friends get sick and lose their health, saw my uncle and my grandfather lose their health, to this Air Force (and Army medication standards). Not to mention suspicions about the deaths of other people, like Seattle's Ian Stawicki, and the people killed by Robert Bales.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Seal_of_the_US_Air_Force.svg/210px-Seal_of_the_US_Air_Force.svg.png


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefloquine
Mefloquine hydrochloride (Lariam, Mephaquin or Mefliam) is an orally administered medication used in the prevention and treatment of malaria. Mefloquine was developed in the 1970s at the United States Department of Defense's Walter Reed Army Institute of Research as a synthetic analogue of quinine. The brand name drug, Lariam, is manufactured by the Swiss company Hoffmann–La Roche. In August 2009, Roche stopped marketing Lariam in the United States. Generic mefloquine from other manufacturers is still widely available. Rare but serious neuropsychiatric problems have been associated with its use.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
Depleted uranium (DU; also referred to in the past as Q-metal, depletalloy or D-38) is uranium with a lower content of the fissile isotope U-235 than natural uranium.[2] (Natural uranium is about 99.27% U-238, 0.72% U-235—the fissile isotope, and 0.0055% U-234). Uses of DU take advantage of its very high density of 19.1 g/cm3 (68.4% denser than lead). Civilian uses include counterweights in aircraft, radiation shielding in medical radiation therapy and industrial radiography equipment and containers used to transport radioactive materials. Military uses include defensive armor plating and armor-piercing projectiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium
Uranium is a silvery-white metallic chemical element in the actinide series of the periodic table, with symbol U and atomic number 92. A uranium atom has 92 protons and 92 electrons, of which 6 are valence electrons. Uranium is weakly radioactive because all its isotopes are unstable (with half-lives of the 6 naturally known isotopes, U-233 - U-238, varying between 69 years and 4˝ billion years). The most common isotopes of uranium are uranium-238 (which has 146 neutrons and accounts for almost 99.3% of the uranium found in nature) and uranium-235 (which has 143 neutrons, accounting for 0.7% of the element found naturally). Uranium has the second highest atomic weight of the primordially occurring elements, lighter only than plutonium.[3] Its density is about 70% higher than that of lead, but not as dense as gold or tungsten. It occurs naturally in low concentrations of a few parts per million in soil, rock and water, and is commercially extracted from uranium-bearing minerals such as uraninite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-4
JP-4, or JP4 (for "Jet Propellant") was a jet fuel, specified in 1951 by the U.S. government (MIL-DTL-5624). It was a 50-50 kerosene-gasoline blend. It has lower flash point than JP-1, but was preferred because of its greater availability. It was the primary U.S. Air Force jet fuel between 1951 and 1995. Its NATO code is F-40. It is also known as avtag.

JP-4 is a mixture of aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons. It is a flammable transparent liquid with clear or straw color, and a kerosene-like smell. It evaporates easily and floats on water. Although it has a low flash point (0 °F (−18 °C)), if a lit match is dropped into JP-4, ignition does not occur. JP-4 freezes at −76 °F (−60 °C), and its maximum burning temperature is 6,670 °F (3,688 °C).[citation needed]

Commercial aviation uses a similar mixture under the name Jet-B.[citation needed] JP-4 in addition contains corrosion inhibitors and icing inhibitors

JP-4 is a nonconductive liquid, prone to build up static electricity when being moved through pipes and tanks. As it is volatile and has a low flash point, the static discharge may cause a fire. Since the mid-1980s, an antistatic agent was added to the fuel to lower the charge buildup and decrease the corresponding risk of fires. Flow rates must be controlled, and all the equipment used must be electrically interconnected and well grounded.

The desire for a less flammable, less hazardous fuel led the U.S. Air Force to phase out JP-4 in favor of JP-8; the transition was completed by the fall of 1996.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent
Nerve agents are a class of phosphorus-containing organic chemicals (organophosphates) that disrupt the mechanism by which nerves transfer messages to organs. The disruption is caused by blocking acetylcholinesterase, an enzyme that normally destroys acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter.

As chemical weapons, they are classified as weapons of mass destruction by the United Nations according to UN Resolution 687 (passed in April 1991) and their production and stockpiling was outlawed by the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1993; the Chemical Weapons Convention officially took effect on April 29, 1997. The use of dangerous gases in warfare was forbidden by treaty already in the Geneva Protocol of 1925.

Poisoning by a nerve agent leads to contraction of pupils, profuse salivation, convulsions, involuntary urination and defecation, and eventual death by asphyxiation as control is lost over respiratory muscles. Some nerve agents are readily vaporized or aerosolized and the primary portal of entry into the body is the respiratory system. Nerve agents can also be absorbed through the skin, requiring that those likely to be subjected to such agents wear a full body suit in addition to a respirator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos
Asbestos (pronounced /ćsˈbɛstəs/ or /ćzˈbɛstəs/) is a set of six naturally occurring silicate minerals used commercially for their desirable physical properties.[1] They all have in common their eponymous asbestiform habit: long (roughly 1:20 aspect ratio), thin fibrous crystals. The prolonged inhalation of asbestos fibers can cause serious illnesses[2] including malignant lung cancer, mesothelioma, and asbestosis (a type of pneumoconiosis).[3] The trade and use of asbestos have been restricted or banned in many jurisdictions.

Asbestos became increasingly popular among manufacturers and builders in the late 19th century because of its sound absorption, average tensile strength, its resistance to fire, heat, electrical and chemical damage, and affordability. It was used in such applications as electrical insulation for hotplate wiring and in building insulation. When asbestos is used for its resistance to fire or heat, the fibers are often mixed with cement (resulting in asbestos cement) or woven into fabric or mats.

Asbestos mining began more than 4,000 years ago, but did not start large-scale until the end of the 19th century. For a long time, the world's largest asbestos mine was the Jeffrey mine in the town of Asbestos, Quebec.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karshi-Khanabad

Karshi-Khanabad is an air base in southeastern Uzbekistan, just east of Karshi. It is home to the 60th Separate Mixed Aviation Brigade of the Uzbek Air Force.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Welcome_To_K2_Sign.JPG/220px-Welcome_To_K2_Sign.JPG


http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/08/mefloquine-robert-bales/all/

A Gruesome War Crime Renews Concerns About a Malaria Drug’s Psychiatric Side Effects
BY GREG MILLER08.15.139:30 AM


Early in the morning of March 11, 2012, Army staff sergeant Robert Bales left his remote outpost in an impoverished region of Kandahar Province, Afghanistan and killed 16 people in two nearby villages. His victims, mostly women and children, were sleeping at the time. Bales shot or stabbed them to death before dragging some of their bodies into a pile and lighting them on fire.

His crime is as baffling as it is gruesome. In June, he pleaded guilty to the murders in a military court, telling the presiding judge: “There’s not a good reason in this world for why I did the horrible things I did.”

‘I like to say this drug is like a horror show in a pill.’
In the weeks since his guilty plea, there’s been growing speculation that a drug meant to prevent malaria may have played a role in the murders. In certain circles, including the military, the Peace Corps, and other organizations that send people into malarial zones for long periods of time, the drug – known as mefloquine — has long had a bad reputation for setting nerves on edge and causing nightmares.
In some cases, mefloquine can mess with the mind in more serious ways, causing confusion, hallucinations, and paranoia. On July 29, the FDA added a black box — its strongest warning — to the label of the drug, citing neurological and psychiatric side effects that can last months or years after someone stops taking it.

“I like to say this drug is like a horror show in a pill,” said Remington Nevin, a former Army physician who’s now an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University. In a recent paper, Nevin argues that the drug’s effects on the brain and behavior make it likely to become increasingly important in forensic psychiatry.

Although mefloquine has been eyed as a possible contributing factor in previous killings, so far apparently no one has argued successfully in court that the drug made someone less culpable for a crime.

Bales’s defense team did not raise the issue during his trial, but they still could do so at his sentencing hearing on August 19. “If it’s seen as mitigating in the Bales case, I could certainly see this coming up in a lot of cases where people might say ‘mefloquine made me do it,’” said Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, a former Army psychiatrist and a coauthor with Nevin on the recent paper.
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What will you all do, when Atlas Shrugs?

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Sebastion
1st February 2014, 20:14
Well Tesla, IMHO you have no need to prove anything to anyone on this forum and if some ignorant member found it necessary to call you a "cocker spaniel" then I would suggest they need a vacation to think it over.

Being former military myself, it wasn't that difficult to discern your use of military jargon on occasion. My best to you!

Tesla_WTC_Solution
1st February 2014, 20:20
Well Tesla, IMHO you have no need to prove anything to anyone on this forum and if some ignorant member found it necessary to call you a "cocker spaniel" then I would suggest they need a vacation to think it over.

Being former military myself, it wasn't that difficult to discern your use of military jargon on occasion. My best to you!

It is wonderful to see others finding this place :)
I was hoping there would be more of us.

thank you for standing up (and standing out!)

(That's what I get for trying to talk about black holes instead of screwdrivers!!) lmao

Tesla

p.s.

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korgh
1st February 2014, 20:58
The words from Sebastion is what I think and I fully agree.
Tesla, your posts are pretty good, sharp and incisives. When some people are not prepared to deal with something bigger than their own ego reacts in a negative way.
There is a big difference on to be provocative and to be incisive. You are, IMHO a very strong character and solid beliefs. Keep yourself always in this way. You will always have my support and surely most of us.
Cheers

Hip Hipnotist
1st February 2014, 22:30
"Another Avalon user called me a "Cocker Spaniel" this week, in a thread no one should really worry about (because it doesn't matter very much). What he meant by that was to imply I am not a genuine person, that the things I share here are not "real" as you understand the word in day-to-day life."

This is a Cocker Spaniel:

One of a breed of small or medium-sized spaniels kept for hunting or retrieving game or for household pets. They usually weigh from eighteen to twenty-eight pounds. They have the head of fair length, with square muzzle, the ears long and set low, the legs short or of medium length, and the coat fine and silky, wavy but not curly. Various colors are bred, as black, liver, red, black and white, black and tan, etc.

Now, about the only attribute you share with a Cocker Spaniel is that you're both darn cute. ;)

And as to whoever it was that made the ( derogatory ) comment about you being a Cocker Spaniel I'd have to say, "That cocker's off his rocker!" :p

Apologies for being 'slightly' off topic.

Milneman
1st February 2014, 23:37
Tes, this is along the lines of the things you're discussing from a different angle...and frankly I find disgusting:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1118572/ex-soldiers-to-protest-veterans-affairs-office-closures-on-friday/

Veterans say closing regional Veterans Affairs offices is a slap in the face to the men and women who put their lives on the line for their country. Robin Gill has the story.

TORONTO – Hundreds of veterans and their supporters are rallying across the country on Friday, protesting the closures of eight regional Veterans Affairs offices.

Offices are slated to shut down in Kelowna, B.C.; Saskatoon, Sask.; Brandon, Man.; Thunder Bay and Windsor, Ont.; Sydney, N.S.; Charlottetown, PEI; and Corner Brook, N.L. A ninth office has already closed in Prince George, B.C.

The office closures, which provide support services to veterans across Canada, are part of a move by Veterans Affairs to move more services online and to Service Canada outlets.

Hundreds of people gathered outside the Sydney office to protest the closures, holding signs reading “Harper, Fantino – fight the next war yourselves,” and chanting “shame.”

Protesters across the country are wearing black armbands and ribbons, which they say signify the loss of services to the veterans in those communities. Many are calling it a betrayal to the men and women – young and old – who served their country.

“I feel abandoned, let down,” said veteran Ernie MacKinnon, who joined the military in 1978. After returning from a tour in Afghanistan in 2002, MacKinnon was diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), attributed to his tour in Bosnia in 1996.

After his diagnosis, MacKinnon said he was given four months sick leave and eventually given a medical discharge. “I was put to the sidewalk as I call it. I had no services, no benefits, no councillors, nowhere to go,” he said.

“The veterans deserve better treatment. This is what they want, they deserve a dedicated service,” said veteran Russell Davis in Sydney on Friday. Many feel veterans will not receive proper support through the Service Canada outlets.

Veterans Affairs Minister Julian Fantino said on Thursday his department is constantly looking for ways to improve service to military members and veterans. “All veterans requiring personal support will continue to be visited by their case managers at their home, and as well we have some 650 service points for veterans in Service Canada offices throughout the land,” he said.

The doors of the Sydney office will close for good at 4:30 p.m. Retired Sergeant Ronald Clarke, a 36-year veteran, told the crowd that he wouldn’t give up the fight.

Clarke said people across the country are upset with the government’s decision to close the offices, adding that he would travel the country to convince voters in the 2015 federal election to vote anything but Conservative.

“I am not threatening you or your colleagues,” said Clarke – a comment directed toward Prime Minister Stephen Harper – “I’m making you a promise.”

On Tuesday, a group of veterans, including Clarke, were in Ottawa pleading with the Conservative government to halt the closures.

“It makes no sense to take these services away from men and women who have sacrificed so much for this country,” said Roy Lamore, whose service dates back to the 1940s.

“This isn’t just about old veterans,” he said during an emotional press conference. “This is about young guys too.”

There are still around 118,000 veterans from the Second World War and Korean War in Canada – many of them at an advanced age and lacking computer and Internet skills.

Former corporal Bruce Moncur, who was wounded in Afghanistan in 2006, said the online system can be frustrating even among his Internet-savvy friends seeking benefits and treatment.

Later on Tuesday, Fantino arrived late for a meeting with the seven veterans; when he did show up, the exchanges between the minister and some of the veterans became heated.

The situation has the Conservatives running damage control as many – including the ex-soldiers – called Fantino’s behaviour “shameful” and “disrespectful.”

“To go to a meeting where the individual didn’t show, then ended up bringing three veteran politicians to argue against the rest of us – that’s a damn disgrace,” said Lamore.

“I absolutely regret yesterday’s events,” said Fantino in the House of Commons on Wednesday.

“I wanted to meet with them to hear their case and their stories and explain to them the changes that we’re making that will in fact look out for the interests and their families in the long-term,” said Fantino over a chorus of boos from the opposition.

Members of the Public Service Alliance of Canada (PSAC) say that because of the closures, veterans in Thunder Bay will now have to travel over 10 hours to get to the closest office; those in the Windsor area will have to travel over two hours to London.

Harper said that the move of veterans support services from Veterans Affairs offices to Service Canada outlets means an increase in points of service for ex-soldiers.

“Does the prime minister realize that from Corner Brook – one of the offices being closed – to St. John’s it’s an eight hour drive, in good weather?” NDP leader Thomas Mulcair asked in Question Period on Thursday. ”That it’s not true that there will be home visits for all of these veterans? And that it is grossly unacceptable to be shutting down services to our veterans when we’ve lost eight of them to suicides in the last two months,” said Mulcair.

Fantino responded that it is unfair to connect the recent apparent suicides within the military with the closures of the Veterans Affairs offices, adding that veterans would be able to access local service centres where “veterans issues would be dealt with at that point.”

(see videos provided in above link for more details)

Cocker spaniel huh? What does that make me? A Shi-tzu? ;)

gnostic9
2nd February 2014, 02:04
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Honor those who served

Another Avalon user called me a "Cocker Spaniel" this week, in a thread no one should really worry about (because it doesn't matter very much). What he meant by that was to imply I am not a genuine person, that the things I share here are not "real" as you understand the word in day-to-day life.

To prove that I am not an agent provocateur or armchair quarterback pretender, I am going to scan and upload a document from my military record regarding substances encountered by our troops when they are sent to fight wars for oil, natural gas, uranium, nuclear security, etc.

This isn't a classified document, to my knowledge, but maybe distributed on a need to know basis. On that note, I think you guys need to know why some of the guys came home so sick between 2000-2014:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/501x600q90/546/tzwu.png

The document says to go to the VA for help after exposure to these hazards.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/458x397q90/691/lr5r.png

But you can see that it isn't that easy for most US military personnel.
Those loyal to their state are not given the same treatment as active duty members divorced from governor's duties.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/666x397q90/833/dqau.png

We had to sign a waiver and a medical release form before being allowed to leave K2. It was a mandatory part of outprocessing to sign, under duress, a form forgiving the US government for putting us in harm's way, and denying exposure to harmful agents.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x328q90/600/opez.png

Two of my best friends at the base lost their jobs within one year of returning home from this location. I later attributed this to Mefloquine poisoning for one of them, and for the other, an experimental vaccine administered in the desert.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/666x397q90/547/6vtr.png

Glenn and Jerry, God rest your souls. And for the rest for us, God have mercy.

I don't expect anyone will come after me or care that I shared this with you guys.
But as a personal favor to me, stop with the name calling, I am a US veteran who served with honor.

I saw my friends get sick and lose their health, saw my uncle and my grandfather lose their health, to this Air Force (and Army medication standards). Not to mention suspicions about the deaths of other people, like Seattle's Ian Stawicki, and the people killed by Robert Bales.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Seal_of_the_US_Air_Force.svg/210px-Seal_of_the_US_Air_Force.svg.png


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefloquine
Mefloquine hydrochloride (Lariam, Mephaquin or Mefliam) is an orally administered medication used in the prevention and treatment of malaria. Mefloquine was developed in the 1970s at the United States Department of Defense's Walter Reed Army Institute of Research as a synthetic analogue of quinine. The brand name drug, Lariam, is manufactured by the Swiss company Hoffmann–La Roche. In August 2009, Roche stopped marketing Lariam in the United States. Generic mefloquine from other manufacturers is still widely available. Rare but serious neuropsychiatric problems have been associated with its use.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
Depleted uranium (DU; also referred to in the past as Q-metal, depletalloy or D-38) is uranium with a lower content of the fissile isotope U-235 than natural uranium.[2] (Natural uranium is about 99.27% U-238, 0.72% U-235—the fissile isotope, and 0.0055% U-234). Uses of DU take advantage of its very high density of 19.1 g/cm3 (68.4% denser than lead). Civilian uses include counterweights in aircraft, radiation shielding in medical radiation therapy and industrial radiography equipment and containers used to transport radioactive materials. Military uses include defensive armor plating and armor-piercing projectiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium
Uranium is a silvery-white metallic chemical element in the actinide series of the periodic table, with symbol U and atomic number 92. A uranium atom has 92 protons and 92 electrons, of which 6 are valence electrons. Uranium is weakly radioactive because all its isotopes are unstable (with half-lives of the 6 naturally known isotopes, U-233 - U-238, varying between 69 years and 4˝ billion years). The most common isotopes of uranium are uranium-238 (which has 146 neutrons and accounts for almost 99.3% of the uranium found in nature) and uranium-235 (which has 143 neutrons, accounting for 0.7% of the element found naturally). Uranium has the second highest atomic weight of the primordially occurring elements, lighter only than plutonium.[3] Its density is about 70% higher than that of lead, but not as dense as gold or tungsten. It occurs naturally in low concentrations of a few parts per million in soil, rock and water, and is commercially extracted from uranium-bearing minerals such as uraninite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-4
JP-4, or JP4 (for "Jet Propellant") was a jet fuel, specified in 1951 by the U.S. government (MIL-DTL-5624). It was a 50-50 kerosene-gasoline blend. It has lower flash point than JP-1, but was preferred because of its greater availability. It was the primary U.S. Air Force jet fuel between 1951 and 1995. Its NATO code is F-40. It is also known as avtag.

JP-4 is a mixture of aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons. It is a flammable transparent liquid with clear or straw color, and a kerosene-like smell. It evaporates easily and floats on water. Although it has a low flash point (0 °F (−18 °C)), if a lit match is dropped into JP-4, ignition does not occur. JP-4 freezes at −76 °F (−60 °C), and its maximum burning temperature is 6,670 °F (3,688 °C).[citation needed]

Commercial aviation uses a similar mixture under the name Jet-B.[citation needed] JP-4 in addition contains corrosion inhibitors and icing inhibitors

JP-4 is a nonconductive liquid, prone to build up static electricity when being moved through pipes and tanks. As it is volatile and has a low flash point, the static discharge may cause a fire. Since the mid-1980s, an antistatic agent was added to the fuel to lower the charge buildup and decrease the corresponding risk of fires. Flow rates must be controlled, and all the equipment used must be electrically interconnected and well grounded.

The desire for a less flammable, less hazardous fuel led the U.S. Air Force to phase out JP-4 in favor of JP-8; the transition was completed by the fall of 1996.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerve_agent
Nerve agents are a class of phosphorus-containing organic chemicals (organophosphates) that disrupt the mechanism by which nerves transfer messages to organs. The disruption is caused by blocking acetylcholinesterase, an enzyme that normally destroys acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter.

As chemical weapons, they are classified as weapons of mass destruction by the United Nations according to UN Resolution 687 (passed in April 1991) and their production and stockpiling was outlawed by the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1993; the Chemical Weapons Convention officially took effect on April 29, 1997. The use of dangerous gases in warfare was forbidden by treaty already in the Geneva Protocol of 1925.

Poisoning by a nerve agent leads to contraction of pupils, profuse salivation, convulsions, involuntary urination and defecation, and eventual death by asphyxiation as control is lost over respiratory muscles. Some nerve agents are readily vaporized or aerosolized and the primary portal of entry into the body is the respiratory system. Nerve agents can also be absorbed through the skin, requiring that those likely to be subjected to such agents wear a full body suit in addition to a respirator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos
Asbestos (pronounced /ćsˈbɛstəs/ or /ćzˈbɛstəs/) is a set of six naturally occurring silicate minerals used commercially for their desirable physical properties.[1] They all have in common their eponymous asbestiform habit: long (roughly 1:20 aspect ratio), thin fibrous crystals. The prolonged inhalation of asbestos fibers can cause serious illnesses[2] including malignant lung cancer, mesothelioma, and asbestosis (a type of pneumoconiosis).[3] The trade and use of asbestos have been restricted or banned in many jurisdictions.

Asbestos became increasingly popular among manufacturers and builders in the late 19th century because of its sound absorption, average tensile strength, its resistance to fire, heat, electrical and chemical damage, and affordability. It was used in such applications as electrical insulation for hotplate wiring and in building insulation. When asbestos is used for its resistance to fire or heat, the fibers are often mixed with cement (resulting in asbestos cement) or woven into fabric or mats.

Asbestos mining began more than 4,000 years ago, but did not start large-scale until the end of the 19th century. For a long time, the world's largest asbestos mine was the Jeffrey mine in the town of Asbestos, Quebec.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karshi-Khanabad

Karshi-Khanabad is an air base in southeastern Uzbekistan, just east of Karshi. It is home to the 60th Separate Mixed Aviation Brigade of the Uzbek Air Force.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/81/Welcome_To_K2_Sign.JPG/220px-Welcome_To_K2_Sign.JPG


http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/08/mefloquine-robert-bales/all/

A Gruesome War Crime Renews Concerns About a Malaria Drug’s Psychiatric Side Effects
BY GREG MILLER08.15.139:30 AM


Early in the morning of March 11, 2012, Army staff sergeant Robert Bales left his remote outpost in an impoverished region of Kandahar Province, Afghanistan and killed 16 people in two nearby villages. His victims, mostly women and children, were sleeping at the time. Bales shot or stabbed them to death before dragging some of their bodies into a pile and lighting them on fire.

His crime is as baffling as it is gruesome. In June, he pleaded guilty to the murders in a military court, telling the presiding judge: “There’s not a good reason in this world for why I did the horrible things I did.”

‘I like to say this drug is like a horror show in a pill.’
In the weeks since his guilty plea, there’s been growing speculation that a drug meant to prevent malaria may have played a role in the murders. In certain circles, including the military, the Peace Corps, and other organizations that send people into malarial zones for long periods of time, the drug – known as mefloquine — has long had a bad reputation for setting nerves on edge and causing nightmares.
In some cases, mefloquine can mess with the mind in more serious ways, causing confusion, hallucinations, and paranoia. On July 29, the FDA added a black box — its strongest warning — to the label of the drug, citing neurological and psychiatric side effects that can last months or years after someone stops taking it.

“I like to say this drug is like a horror show in a pill,” said Remington Nevin, a former Army physician who’s now an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University. In a recent paper, Nevin argues that the drug’s effects on the brain and behavior make it likely to become increasingly important in forensic psychiatry.

Although mefloquine has been eyed as a possible contributing factor in previous killings, so far apparently no one has argued successfully in court that the drug made someone less culpable for a crime.

Bales’s defense team did not raise the issue during his trial, but they still could do so at his sentencing hearing on August 19. “If it’s seen as mitigating in the Bales case, I could certainly see this coming up in a lot of cases where people might say ‘mefloquine made me do it,’” said Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, a former Army psychiatrist and a coauthor with Nevin on the recent paper.
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What will you all do, when Atlas Shrugs?

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Hey sister I hear you! But first Love yourself, as we Love you. I send you Love sister! What else has substance in this insubstantial world? Love Peace and Joy to you Sister I look at all your posts, all very informative and very valuable to all seekers. Thank you so much Tesla!

Flash
2nd February 2014, 03:04
Tesla, i was shock to see that someone would equate you with a cocker spanial. So i went into that thread to see exactly how it was presented and here is what I found:


I'll be glad to talk to you Tesla, but I sort of get the impression you think I am a "cocker spaniel"
(someone on the internet pretending to be something they arent) I just aint that.

Not only you have not been called a cocker spanial, but the avalon member discussing with you said he thought you see HIM as a cocker spanial and then even went unto elaborating what it meant, namely someone pretending not to be who he really is, the poster always speaking about HIMSELF not about you.

You know really well Tesla that i like you very much and greatly appreciate your contribution to Avalon and your intelligent postings.

However, it woud be useful, when you think you have been insulted, to reread the post a day later to make sure you understood it right, instead of having a knee jerk reaction closing yourself down to any other possible interpretation.

There were no insults there nor impoliteness, on the contrary, his whole post was rather polite and collaborative.

I truly cannot understand what you went through in the military, because it is so far from my world, but i can definitely empathise for this hardship and for your son's hardship, the latter which I do understand quite well.

Just reread what you think are insults twice in case they aren't.

With all my love

Flash

Fellow Aspirant
2nd February 2014, 04:43
Good to clear things up!

B.

LivioRazlo
2nd February 2014, 06:48
Tesla, I wouldn't give any time or energy in to what this individual has said. People can be so hateful these days and half of it I believe is because they either fear the truth or just simply can't comprehend their own ego and beliefs being torn down before them. I enjoy reading your thoughtful and well-documented posts and if someone comes along trying to throw a wrench into your cogs, just let it pass through you. All the members which I have encountered here thus far at Avalon, I feel are some of the most thought-provoking and down to earth individuals one could meet - and that's the biggest reason why I obsessively check this forum everyday.

Flash
2nd February 2014, 07:23
Nobody threw anything at Tesla, this was a real miscommunication. See my post above.


Tesla, I wouldn't give any time or energy in to what this individual has said. People can be so hateful these days and half of it I believe is because they either fear the truth or just simply can't comprehend their own ego and beliefs being torn down before them. I enjoy reading your thoughtful and well-documented posts and if someone comes along trying to throw a wrench into your cogs, just let it pass through you. All the members which I have encountered here thus far at Avalon, I feel are some of the most thought-provoking and down to earth individuals one could meet - and that's the biggest reason why I obsessively check this forum everyday.

spiritguide
2nd February 2014, 11:34
So much energy utilized over a mis perception of written communication. Take a deep breath and count to ten if emotionally charged by any communication.

Peace!

MorningSong
2nd February 2014, 11:57
Nonwithstanding the miscommunication.... I found Tesla's OP very, very informative and interesting....stuff I didn't know.

It's good to get this info from firsthand witnesses....

Thanks so much, Tesla, for your posts! You are some smart girl! Love ya!

Tesla_WTC_Solution
2nd February 2014, 20:20
Tesla, i was shock to see that someone would equate you with a cocker spanial. So i went into that thread to see exactly how it was presented and here is what I found:


I'll be glad to talk to you Tesla, but I sort of get the impression you think I am a "cocker spaniel"
(someone on the internet pretending to be something they arent) I just aint that.

Not only you have not been called a cocker spanial, but the avalon member discussing with you said he thought you see HIM as a cocker spanial and then even went unto elaborating what it meant, namely someone pretending not to be who he really is, the poster always speaking about HIMSELF not about you.

You know really well Tesla that i like you very much and greatly appreciate your contribution to Avalon and your intelligent postings.

However, it woud be useful, when you think you have been insulted, to reread the post a day later to make sure you understood it right, instead of having a knee jerk reaction closing yourself down to any other possible interpretation.

There were no insults there nor impoliteness, on the contrary, his whole post was rather polite and collaborative.

I truly cannot understand what you went through in the military, because it is so far from my world, but i can definitely empathise for this hardship and for your son's hardship, the latter which I do understand quite well.

Just reread what you think are insults twice in case they aren't.

With all my love

Flash

Flash, read the whole thread.

Show me where it became personal.

The user you are defending came into a thread about science,
and started making accusations, when he was the one using the labels.

The person in question is a very recent member, meaning we know nothing about him aside from the criticisms he has made of other users.
I've been interested in black holes for years. That doesn't mean I have an education on the subject (how would that be accomplished when they are not understood?)

This user was attempting to bar long-term contributors from discussion in a topic that is altogether 1.) unimportant and 2.) not conducive to rigid thinking or to personal criticism,
and if you know how to read between the lines, Flash girl, since you are such a good psychiatrist, maybe you should step back and not involve yourself in this situation, since you probably don't feel like talking about black holes either, kind of like the person who started the person stuff in that thread.

I still haven't given his name, yet here you are calling me out, which is really funny because Flash I know nothing about you except that you are some kind of social worker, maybe a narc type, whose advice is given in order to keep the public safe and not to make me or anyone else feel better individually. Sorry, I get a bad vibe. Oops.

As for the military document, stop obsessing on mental illness for a second and address something with meat on the bones,
because your profession is a dancing skeleton, lol

That is how I see the doctors who take the corporate dime.
and kickbacks for poisoning the troops with poorly tested medicines and known toxins

I hate the whole profession and how it pressures Jungians too, like my own therapist into sending you back to the pill mill to satisfy courts.

gosh i didn't expect this to happen lol

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Tesla_WTC_Solution
2nd February 2014, 20:26
So much energy utilized over a mis perception of written communication. Take a deep breath and count to ten if emotionally charged by any communication.

Peace!

Fundamentally I appreciate anything and anyone who motivates me to support the troops.

Most of the time i am too tired to care about anyone but myself, like most people.

But anytime I do step out of line into the grey zone outside the box,
some psychologist always comes out of the woodwork to tell me to STFU

Take it right back where the sun don't shine IMO

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Tesla_WTC_Solution
2nd February 2014, 20:30
Nobody threw anything at Tesla, this was a real miscommunication. See my post above.


Tesla, I wouldn't give any time or energy in to what this individual has said. People can be so hateful these days and half of it I believe is because they either fear the truth or just simply can't comprehend their own ego and beliefs being torn down before them. I enjoy reading your thoughtful and well-documented posts and if someone comes along trying to throw a wrench into your cogs, just let it pass through you. All the members which I have encountered here thus far at Avalon, I feel are some of the most thought-provoking and down to earth individuals one could meet - and that's the biggest reason why I obsessively check this forum everyday.

How much do thought police get paid per hour?

Do you care this much about what happened to Robert Bales because of neuropsychiatry covering up what drove him crazy?

I hate the whole profession -- sorry, but it's because of experience, not a personal problem.

After 10+ friends and coworkers tell you that the medical INDUSTRY made them sick, it's hard to take anyone seriously.

When they're wearing their Lucy hat carrying a sign that says "psychiatric help 10c"

Tesla_WTC_Solution
2nd February 2014, 20:33
Tesla, i was shock to see that someone would equate you with a cocker spanial. So i went into that thread to see exactly how it was presented and here is what I found:


I'll be glad to talk to you Tesla, but I sort of get the impression you think I am a "cocker spaniel"
(someone on the internet pretending to be something they arent) I just aint that.

Not only you have not been called a cocker spanial, but the avalon member discussing with you said he thought you see HIM as a cocker spanial and then even went unto elaborating what it meant, namely someone pretending not to be who he really is, the poster always speaking about HIMSELF not about you.

You know really well Tesla that i like you very much and greatly appreciate your contribution to Avalon and your intelligent postings.

However, it woud be useful, when you think you have been insulted, to reread the post a day later to make sure you understood it right, instead of having a knee jerk reaction closing yourself down to any other possible interpretation.

There were no insults there nor impoliteness, on the contrary, his whole post was rather polite and collaborative.

I truly cannot understand what you went through in the military, because it is so far from my world, but i can definitely empathise for this hardship and for your son's hardship, the latter which I do understand quite well.

Just reread what you think are insults twice in case they aren't.

With all my love

Flash

Just saving her post in case she changes it.

I never called the user in the black hole thread anything before he targeted me for personal attention.

Never called flash anything before today either,
but today changed my mind!

Tesla_WTC_Solution
2nd February 2014, 20:46
p.s. you guys know something, private messages are something that pass here on PA without you guys realizing someone is being stalked.

just wanted to point out, what was in the Hole thread wasn't the only exchange.

I am DONE talking about this (hint to the geniuses here)

Nothing more to add re: the black hole thread here,
or to suggest (get my point?)

unless it's about veterans

#supportrobertbalesmefloquinetruth

zippom2
3rd February 2014, 01:07
Pleas let us not forget the infamous agent orange that was used during the Vietnam war!