Snowden leaked docs proving aliens working with govt, says irans fars news 16th jan 2014 (Sorcha Faal)

[Observer1964]

According to Fars News, Edward Snowden provided "incontrovertible proof" that an "alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda is driving U.S. domestic and international policy

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[TargeT]

Here's the FARS news article:


Snowden Documents Proving “US-Alien-Hitler” Link Stun Russia
TEHRAN (FNA)- Former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden revealed documents providing incontrovertible proof that an alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda is driving US domestic and international policy, and has been doing so since at least 1945, some media reports said.
A stunning Federal Security Services (FSB) report on the nearly two million highly classified top-secret documents obtained from the United States Department of Defense (DOD) run National Security Agency-Central Security Service (NSA/CSS) by the American ex-patriot Edward Snowden states that this information is providing “incontrovertible proof” that an “alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda” is driving US domestic and international policy, and has been doing so since at least 1945, Whatdoesitmean.com reported.

Edward Snowden is a computer specialist, a former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employee, and former NSA/CSS contractor who disclosed these classified documents to several media outlets in late 2012 and was granted temporary asylum in Russia in 2013 after his designation by the Obama regime as the “most wanted man on earth.”

This FSB report further states that Snowden, in December, 2012, contacted the highly respected American columnist, blogger, and author Glenn Greenwald by an email headed with the subject line stating, “I and others have things you would be interested in.?.?.?.”

In Snowden’s own words, this report continues, he outlined to Greenwald the reason for his highly secretive group obtaining and releasing these documents by warning that that there “were actually two governments in the US, the one that was elected, and the other, secret regime, governing in the dark.”

As to who is running this “secret regime” Snowden and his cohorts were warning about, FSB experts in this report say, was confirmed this past weekend by former Canadian defense minister Paul Hellyer who was given access to all of Snowden’s documents by Russian intelligence services and stated they were, indeed, “accurate.”

Even though Defense Minister Hellyer’s exact statements to the FSB in regards to Snowden’s documents remain classified, shortly after his “extensive electronic interview” by the FSB he was allowed to appear on Russia Today’s program SophieCo this past fortnight where he shockingly admitted that aliens have “been visiting our planet for thousands of years” and described several types of these extraterrestrials, including “Tall Whites” who are working with the US Air Force in Nevada.Of the many explosive revelations in this FSB report, the one most concerning to Russian authorities are the Snowden’s documents “confirming” that the “Tall Whites” (further revealed by Defense Minister Hellyer as noted above) are the same extraterrestrial alien race behind the stunning rise of Nazi Germany during the 1930’s.

In just one example of the many outlined in this FSB report, it shows that with this “alien assistance,” at the end of the 1930’s, when Nazi Germany possessed just 57 submarines, over the four years of World War II it built 1,163 modern technologically advanced submarines at its dockyards and even put them into operation.

Snowden’s documents further confirm, this report says, the “Tall Whites” (Nordic) meetings in 1954 with US President Dwight D. Eisenhower where the “secret regime” currently ruling over America was established.

Most disturbingly, this FSB report warns, is that the “Tall White” agenda being implemented by the “secret regime” ruling the United States calls for the creation of a global electronic surveillance system meant to hide all true information about their presence here on earth as they enter into what one of Snowden’s documents calls the “final phase” of their end plan for total assimilation and world rule.

Unbeknownst to the FSB, this report confirms, are those still in the US government backing Snowden, but whose presence Russian intelligence experts note is “unmistakable” and shows a cataclysmic power struggle is currently underway against this “secret regime” now headed by Obama by “forces unknown.”

Most to be feared by Russian policy makers and authorities, this report concludes, is if those opposing the “Tall White” “secret regime” ruled over by Obama have themselves aligned with another alien-extraterrestrial power themselves.

Note:

This report has been wired from Whatdoesitmean.com. As you can see, we have both mentioned and hyperlinked the source of this report and also released it in the wire section of our website to notify our viewers that all responsibility for the veracity, authenticity and reliability of this report lies with its original source, whatdoesitmean.com.

The wired report further mentioned that former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer has confirmed Snowden's remarks and expressed his supportive views in an interview with Russia Today after he was given access to all of Snowden's documents by Russian intelligence services. To help our readers with more relevant sources of information we included the video of Hellyer's interview with RT, where he said extraterrestrial beings are amongst us and if we down at least one UFO, we'll be facing an interstellar war, and that Apollo astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, told him there were something around two and twelve spices of aliens visiting the Earth, and that the aliens have provided people in the American government with military technology. The interview had been released on December 30, 2013 that is a few days before the whatdoesitmean report.

Yet, again this does not mean that we support or reject Hellyer's views.

What is interesting here is how professional media outlets in the West, who are well informed of the wiring rules and technique, have tried hard to attribute the story to FNA in naive forms, ignoring the hyperlinked source and the RT video completely, and the first western media which rushed to make some use of this story to somehow link it to the worldview of a part of the Iranian political community was Washington Post, while a brief look at the archives of the western media outlets shows how they were trying to convince the world for even two decades after the World War II that Hitler and the Nazi Germany were driven by extraterrestrial beings. A February 1957 report by Reuters and Washington Post went so far to say that the Nazi Germany developed flying saucers that could flew 1,000 miles an hour to invade the US.

Most western media outlets have either completely ignored the RT video and the wired nature of this report, or mentioned its original source only at the end of their stories to first convince their readers that the story fully belongs to FNA.

And to those of you who may ask why we have basically carried this story, we should say that FNA has been seeking to inform its viewers of those stories which are ignored by the mainstream media, specially in the West. A part of our daily efforts is focused on such reports. In doing so, we sometimes try to cover some – specially controversial - topics with different reports to give our viewers a chance to study them from various perspectives. When the Occupy Wall Street Movement was ignored by the mainstream media in the West, we were almost among the first in the world to cover it on a daily basis for months.

It is also interesting that on the same day that the whatdoesitmean story was released, we also wired a report, 'PRISM Mining UFO Data, Targets False Flag ET Invasion as Pretext to Space Wars', from Examiner to provide an opportunity for our viewers to deal with this topic from a different perspective; yet again the mainstream media in the West which is looking for a scapegoat to blame Iran and the Iranians ignored it completely.

Finally, some of our viewers have complained that they have not been able to view the video and demanded a script of the Former Canadian Defense Minister's statements. For those of our viewers, here is the full text of Mr. Hellyer's remarks according to Russia Today:

Paul Hellyer was Canadian Minister of Defense in 1960s, ruling over the country's armed forces during the time of the Cold War – and when he retired he publicly stated that we are not alone in the universe, and some guests from outer space actually live here, on planet Earth. Is this fantasy? Is someone actually watching us? Today we ask the man who says UFOs are a serious business – Paul Hellyer.

Sophie Shevardnadze: Our guest today is the Honorable Paul Hellyer, former minister of Defense of Canada, and he believes that life forms from space are present on Earth. It’s great to have you on our show. Why do you say that UFOs are as real as airplanes flying over our heads?

Paul Hellyer: Because I know that they are. As a matter of fact, they’ve been visiting our planet for thousands of years and one of the cases that would interest you most if you give me two or three minutes to answer is that during the Cold War, 1961, there were about 50 UFOs in formation flying south from Russia across Europe, and Supreme Allied Command was very concerned and about ready to press the 'Panic' button when they turned around and went back over the North Pole. They decided to do an investigation and they investigated for 3 years and they decided that, with absolute certainty, four species - at least – had been visiting this planet for thousands of years. We have a long history of UFOs and of course there has been a lot more activity in the last few decades, since we invented the atomic bomb and they are very concerned about that and the fact that we might use it again, and because the Cosmos is a unity and it affects not just us but other people in the Cosmos, they are very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using atomic weapons again, and this would be very bad for us and for them as well.

SS: No serious scientist has ever publicly confirmed evidence of an encounter with extra-terrestrials – why would scientists not confirm the facts if they exist?

PH: I'm afraid they must go out of their way not to find out. Even if they do 10 percent of the amount of research I’ve done in the last 8 years they would be as convinced as I am. I mean, they could do it even faster. Might take it a little longer, when they didn’t have military background, but there are so many wonderful books that tell these stories and they’ve been authenticated; the sightings have been authenticated by more than one witness and also by radar, and they have landed in various places around the world, including Russia. There’s famous case there, I can’t remember the name of the place, but it was widely reported at the time, a man wrote a book about it and then the French bought the book rights so it wouldn’t be circulated around… There’s just so much evidence, if anybody will take a time off to do a little bit of research and study. Some people are interested and will take the time, and the others just say “Oh, you know it’s just fantasy”. Since I’ve been public on this subject I get probably three or four emails a week from all over the world, from people who’ve actually witnessed sightings, and some of them who’ve actually been on the ships, and some of them who’ve actually been transported to another planet. This information… it is top secret in a way that governments don’t talk about it, but if you listen to whistleblowers and to the people who have worked in the industry, and who know what is going on, there’s just a lot of information out there and it doesn’t take very long to get your hands on it.

SS: See, the problem is that some who report UFOs sightings and alien abductions have been shown to make things up to be famous, to make money – or just for a prank. How do we tell fiction from a fact?

PH: You have to spend a lot of time trying to find…we use to say “separating wheat from the chaff”, and it takes a lot of effort. When I was minister I got sighting reports and when we checked them out, about 80 percent, 8 out of 10, were not real, they were sights of Venus or of plasma or a dozen other things, but there were 15 percent or 20 percent for which there was no explanation and they were the genuine unidentified flying objects. One of the conferences I went to… it was in Las Vegas… was promoted by chap who had written a book about crashes and there were dozens and dozens of them and many of them very-very well authenticated, so it would be impossible to read of that evidence and not come to the conclusion that these vehicles were real.

SS: Have you ever had your own encounter with aliens?

PH: Not encounter with aliens, no. I’ve seen a UFO, about 120 miles north of Toronto, over Lake Muskoka, where I have a cottage. Two years ago, at Thanksgiving, which is October, [my wife?] said that she wanted to go out and look at the stars, so…I’m not much of a night man… but I put on my cap and went out with her and she looked into the eastern sky and said, “There’s a star” and I turned the other way and said, “Oh, there’s a much brighter one over here” and she looked there and we watched it until our necks almost broke for about 20 minutes, and it was definitely a UFO because it could change position in the sky by three or four degrees in three or four seconds. I checked out – there were no satellites that could do that, a space station wasn’t going by and it isn’t able to move that fast anyway and there was no other explanation except that it was the real thing. Two days later I went down in the dark, got a comfortable chair, and watched. It came back almost at the same spot and entertained me for as long as I could take it. Then I went back to the cottage but it was very interesting because it would drop down in the sky and then it would roar back up and it would shift across a few degrees and do a circle and come back at just an astronomical speed, since you know they travel very-very fast.

SS: So does it just look like a falling star that falls really quickly and then rises again? What does it look like?

PH: Well, it looked just like a star.

SS: It looks just like a star?

PH: I don’t know if you personally have ever read the Bible or not but I think the star of Bethlehem was one of God’s flying saucers.

SS: You also told me that people write you emails, three to five emails a week, and they’ve actually been abducted or they had encounters with aliens. Do they actually tell you what these aliens look like? I mean, everyone’s interested – how would I know if I see an alien and he abducts me?

PH: First question you have to ask is how many species are there? I used to think there were between two and twelve. Apollo astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, who came to Toronto a few years ago and had dinner with us agreed there were something around two and twelve, but the latest reports that I’ve been getting from various sources are that there are about 80 different species and some of them look just like us and they could walk down the street and you wouldn’t know if you walked past one. They are what we call “Nordic blondes” and also the Tall Whites who were actually working with the US air force in Nevada. They’re able to get away with that, they had a couple of their ladies dressed as nuns go into Las Vegas to shop and they weren’t detected. I have a friend who saw one of the men walking along the street, he is somebody who can recognize that they were different, and he did. Then there’s the Short Grey’s as they are called, and they are the ones you see in most of the cartoons, they have very-very slim arms and legs, they are very short, just a little over 5 feet, and they have a great big head and great big brown eyes. But, there are different species and you have to know that they are different species and know that they all are different. If you saw the Short Greys you’d certainly know there’s something up that you’ve never seen before, but if you saw one of the Nordic Blondes, you’d probably say “Oh I wonder if she’s from Denmark or somewhere.”

SS: So these species that you are describing – are they all different in terms of nice and mean? Are some of them nice and benevolent and others nasty, how are they? Are they good to people on Earth or are they here to harm them?

PH: It’s a difficult question to answer, because they have different agendas and maybe all of us on Earth should have the same agenda, but you couldn’t say, maybe, that Russia and China and the US all had the same agenda at every turn, because they don’t. I would say that nearly all are benign and benevolent and they do want to help us, there may be one or two species which do not. That’s one of the things I’m investigating at the moment, to see who they are, what they are up to and what their agendas really are.

SS: These extraterrestrial creatures – where did they come from and how did they get here, to Earth?

PH: They come from various places. For a long while I only knew about ones who came from different star systems – the Pleadis, Zeta Reticuli and several other star systems…but in the past few months I have met [those] who made me aware that there are some in our star system, and that there are actually extraterrestrials who live on a planet called Andromedia, which is one of the moons of Saturn and that there are others on Venus and some on Mars and that they may be interacting between themselves – I suspect that they are because there is what is called a “Federation” of these people and they have rules. For example, one of the rules is that they don’t interfere with our affairs unless there are invited to – and that’s one of the reasons, probably, that we haven’t seen more of them until very recently…

SS: But, what do you mean, there are lots of people who want to interact with them, there are a lot of people who actually want to see them and to know who they are. What, do they need a special invitation to interact with us? What does it mean – “they don’t want to interfere with our affairs”?

PH: They don’t want to tell us how to run our affairs, they have accepted the fact that this is our planet, and that we have the right to run it, but they are very-very concerned: they don’t think we are good stewards of our planet, we’re clear cutting our forests, we’re polluting our rivers and our lakes, and we’re dumping sewage in the oceans, and we’re doing all sorts of things which are not what good stewards of their homes should be doing. They don’t like that and they made it very clear. As a matter of fact they have given us a warning.

SS: How?

PH: This has come from more than one source…

SS: How have they made it clear, what have they done?

PH: They have talked to people. One of the chaps I’ve talked with about a month ago was interacting with them in 1974, he and his brother, in Peru. They were taken to Andromedia, teleported. They were told what people there think and that we’re really wrecking our planet and in fact that something dreadful is going to happen to it if we don’t smarten up and change our ways. We spend too much time fighting each other, we spend too much money on military expenditures, and not enough on feeding the poor and looking after the homeless and the sick, and that we are polluting our waters and our air and that we’re playing around with these exotic weapons, thermonuclear weapons and atomic weapons, which have such devastating effects both on Earth and other areas of Cosmos. They don’t like that and that’s the reason they would like to work with us, to teach us better ways, but only, I think, with our consent. They work through individuals; they try and pick out individuals who won’t be frightened to death by them, because they can get you quite afraid. One of the cases I’m familiar with was with the Tall Whites in Nevada, where the US airman working with them was just frightened to death of them, and one, Charles Hall, rescued the daughter of one of the high-up people in the Tall White and as result became very good friends with the mother, and as soon as they could trust each other, they had a wonderful relationship. He wrote a book about it, called “Millennial Hospitality” – it tells you how you go through these stages, of being scared out of your wits, but then, when you establish a trust and a working relationship –you can have the same kind of relationship that you would have with someone here on Earth.

SS: But here’s what I’m thinking: if you are outing their presence, which is clearly not what they want, since they are hiding, why aren’t you afraid of repercussions? You are obviously stating that they are here, among us, telling me all these species that exist…

PH: They are here among us and I’m not afraid because in most cases, as far as technology is concerned, they are light years ahead of us, and we have learned a lot of things from them. A lot of the things we use today we got from them, you know – led lights and microchips and Kevlar vests and all sorts things that we got from their technology and we could get a lot more too, especially in the fields of medicine and agriculture if we would go about it peacefully. But, I think, maybe some of our people are more interested in getting the military technology, and I think that’s wrong-headed, and that’s one of the things that we are going to have to change, because we’re going to have to work together, all of us, everywhere on the planet.

SS: You’ve mentioned military technology and swapping technologies and barters in-between aliens and people in American government. I want to ask you as a former minister of Defense of Canada – is interstellar war a possibility? Should we be creating a Star Wars force to defend ourselves from possible invasion or something like that?

PH: I think it’s a possibility, but it’s a possibility especially if we shoot down every UFO that comes into our airspace without asking who they are and what they want. Right from the beginning we started scrambling planes, trying to shoot them down, but their technology was superior enough that we weren’t able to get away with it, certainly not for a long while. During that period of time they could have taken us over without any trouble if they wanted to, so I think, rather than developing our own Star Wars to protect ourselves against them, we should work with the benign species that are of a vast majority and work together, and rely largely on them, of course, and cooperate, so that we would be contributing something at the same time; I don’t think there’s any point in us developing a galactic force that would tempt us to ride on our own and get into mischief, which is one of the things that some of them are concerned about.

SS: What do you expect to happen if people start to believe in alien existence on Earth? Things are definitely going to change: our lives aren’t going to be the same anymore.

PH: I hope that’s the case. I am all for full disclosure, and I’m going to push very hard for full disclosure in the book I’m writing, to give some reasons for it, things that we really have to know and have a right to know. Our future as a species, and here I mean all of the species in the world, is potentially at risk if we don’t figure what’s going on and work together to try and make life more amenable for all of us, and to work with our neighbors from other planets as well.

SS: Still, I’m thinking to myself – if they’ve been here for such a long time as you say, and they are interested in helping humanity, as you say, why is our world such a mess? If you want help someone, you just help someone, you don’t wait for that someone to invite you to help that someone, no?

PH: I think parents sometime say to their children – “this is what you should do”, but that doesn’t mean children are going to do it, does it? The Cosmos is based on free choice. We’re given the option of making mistakes, of making wrong choices, and I guess, what bothers some of us, is that we’ve made too many wrong choices, and not enough right choices. So we’re going to have to start switching our priorities and stop spending so much time and effort on weapons to kill each other, or to dominate each other, and spend a lot more time on how to help each other to have a better life and a more just society, and life which is healthier. When the healthcare is better and when the food distribution is better and when the air is cleaner and water is cleaner and all of those things that are waiting to be done, if we just get together and, as we say, row in the right direction, in the same direction, it’s possible, but it’s a tall order and so far we haven’t done it. My thesis is that we have to do it, we have to start doing it right away.

SS: Thank you so much for this interesting interview and insight on extraterrestrial life. That was Paul Hellyer, a former Canadian minister of Defense, who says aliens exist and live among us on Earth. That's all the time we have for today, I will see you in the next edition of Sophie&Co.
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921021000393

[Harley]

Whatdoesitmean.com reported

Just sayin

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[Chip]

This is all very interesting. But I cannot find enough sources other than those involved to help make this more plausible.
I am glad to see this posted, as at least I can feel like I am not alone.
Thanks

[Harley]

This isn't the first time that FARS News has reported a "News Report" from Whatdoesitmean.com.

Well there's one thing about it:

If it doesn't make the public a little more aware at-least it'll give them more to laugh about!

:)

[Sidney]

Ok, so lets see those documents?????

[sigma6]

Lots of readers, few comments... LOL...
Man, I guess the world is waiting for an anvil to fall on it's head before it wakes up...

Truth is an ultimate reality, philosophy, principle, built into the very fabric of the material and quantum world we live in...
We have to come to that conclusion sooner or later...

Beware talk about it's better that this story or that story be told to the public, (for their benefit of course...) is pure unadulterated BS. Made up by groups and factions that have got themselves in so deep, they are lost and stuck in the cognitive dissonance and would rather kill others and some would even die themselves rather then face the ultimate truths...

that is the truth of the matter. Some people choose death and denial over the humility of truth... we have all seen it... and we ALL pay for it..

Sooner or later, truth has to come... Why not sooner???
Knowing what is the truth and incorporating it into one's being is two different things. Life IS a test that I am sure many fail.

[Sidney]

I just don't understand, they can report on documents til they're blue in the face. If they have them, then I would like to see them for myself. I have no doubt that others exist, and have a huge influence on the governments of the world, and possibly are by now if full charge of it. But I would still be interested in seeing these documents so that I can share them with the many skeptics that surround my daily reality.

[TargeT]

This is all very interesting. But I cannot find enough sources other than those involved to help make this more plausible.
I am glad to see this posted, as at least I can feel like I am not alone.
Thanks

EXCELLENT DISCERNMENT!

This is a total BS story, complete crap reporting based on absolutely nothing


ie... NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

[korgh]

http://i60.tinypic.com/32zs2us.jpg

[Roisin]

I once saw what looked like a Tall White and so has my son. And interestingly enough, the being in the window captured by the captain of the police dept. in the Latoya Ammon demon possession case in Indiana that's got it's own thread in this forum looks like a tall white. One has to brighten that photo of that house to see it better but it clearly looks like a tall white regardless that they are calling it a "demon".

"The Fars News Agency is reportedly affiliated with Iran’s influential Revolutionary Guards", this according to Michael Peck who covers defense and national security on Forbes. He wrote about this Snowden story and even though he thinks it's crazy, he's telling us that we need to pay attention to it because we can't rule out that those who are running Iran may in fact believe that some aspects of this story are true hence why it ended up in Fars. Here's that link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13/iran-says-tall-white-space-aliens-control-america/

[Kindred]

From what I know of the "tall whites", as well as other info, I'm surprised this wasn't already known and understood.

Back around two years ago, I had extensively checked out Charles Hall’s original web site, and read everything that was posted after coming across a thread here on PA. It became obvious that these beings were quite materialistic, and of a low vibration. Very Much So, although, I’ll be the first to admit that there are Many earth humans of this same mindset. Website: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_hall02.htm

It was a treasure trove of info on these beings. One point made was that a few of the senior ‘whites’ had been taken on a tour of the Capitol. As noted in the attached piece, the older whites grow very tall, and can become rather awkward and ungainly, and can thus lose their balance. As one was descending the steps to the Capitol, she became ‘unstable’, and a human ‘attendant’ reached out to prevent the being from falling… the creature almost killed this human, as these beings have an extreme ‘superiority complex’, and vehemently refuse to be touched by a human. This is just one example regarding the type of being we are dealing with, and they, as a species, exhibits great fear of other races.

There was a thread on this very subject in 2012, and I had made this post, relative to the beings’ mindset.:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50137-XCon-2005-Charles-Hall-The-Tall-Whites-ET-Experiences-in-the-Nevada-Desert&p=562238&viewfull=1#post562238

and then there’s this little piece:
http://universalangelicview.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/charles-halls-tall-white-alien-part-1/

and another: http://openseti.org/Hall.html

video of a lecture Charles Hall gave in 2005
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And, lastly, an old video of William Cooper about the ‘alien question’, where he mentions that Eisenhower met with a few races, some benevolent and encouraging humanity to give up on nuclear weapons and power, and another group who wished to ‘engage us’ for mutual ‘benefit’…
(edit - this video has been interfered with, and is not complete - see subsequent posting)
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In Unity, Peace and Love

[sigma6]

This is all very interesting. But I cannot find enough sources other than those involved to help make this more plausible.
I am glad to see this posted, as at least I can feel like I am not alone.
Thanks

EXCELLENT DISCERNMENT!

This is a total BS story, complete crap reporting based on absolutely nothing

ie... NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

Well, I'd like to believe that... but I just don't know... I'd like to see a document or something to prove that... ;)

There is a phenomenon there, how much of the interpretation of that observable phenomena is accurate is another question...
One has to create their perception of what is known and unknown, accurate and inaccurate somewhere inside your own head.
In your own mind, based on the summation of data points you can bring to that table in your mind.

I agree with the observation of the phenomena, I am not necessarily going to nit pick over whether their space uniforms are grey or green... (or if they even actually wear "space uniforms"... or if they are even "aliens" ...lol)

But there is a pile of information and research out there so high, you couldn't through it all in your lifetime...
so like the man said all YOU need is discernment...


update: Also... based on what I have researched, are they not misinterpreting Tall Whites with Nordics? Hall's description of Tall Whites is not that of Nordics at all. And Hellyer didn't seem to address that either... ??

Regarding the fear thing, is this not simply the plain old fear that comes from ignorance, lack of understanding... what else does the general public call EVERYTHING (conscious) they don't understand?... besides demons!?... what else can a mind that lives on a lonely planet in a desolate universe, with the belief that God just dropped a spec of fairy dust on one grain of sand in all the beaches in the world, and then decided to just hang back and watch us grovel and beg in his glory... lol If you knew exactly what they are and where they came from and what they want, good or bad, wouldn't that change your perception entirely?

note: subtract (God) from the above statement and replace with:
"some complicated interactions (that would be all mumbo jumbo to me) based on an intricate interplay between complex statistical impossibilities and an immense explosion of energy and mass, created from another incredibly complicated (oh it just too complicated to explain here...) and all this wouldn't really be explainable anyhow, because it was pre- time space and matter so of course the rules would be different... type of event...

[Roisin]

Many call tall white greys "Tall Whites" but in actuality they are 2 different kinds of beings. The one I saw was most likely a tall white Grey... not a Tall White as in Hall's "Tall Whites".

[apokalypse]

we all know in here with Non- Mainstream people like us in here have known for years that Aliens working/involve or have discussion with Government, either a fact or false info...we need incredible sources and strong evidence to bring on the sunlight for these mainstream people.

[sigma6]

we all know in here with Non- Mainstream people like us in here have known for years that Aliens working/involve or have discussion with Government, either a fact or false info...we need incredible sources and strong evidence to bring on the sunlight for these mainstream people.

"Mainstream people" need to pull their collective heads out of the sand and get off their butts (mixed metaphor) and start shovelling through the unlimited expanses of research like the rest of us... It's not for lack of data... I can assure you...

It's not for lack of data... some people were just never taught how to come to a conclusion in their own mind using ALL available resources. A computer is like a car. It doesn't do anything until someone gets in and drives it. (Nor will it re-adjust itself to become the machine that you want it to be for that matter, that's your job again...)

It was quite a shock to me when I found out that a great majority of people missed out on properly learning and understanding the basics of scientific methodology. I know we all had to take science in elementary school. If you didn't get this down, no problem just understand that you need it just like anything else.. (like reading and writing) And anyone can learn this fundamental idea anytime.

Then you scan spend a lifetime delving into the intricacies of it later...

just start there...

[Roisin]

Question: If they are our adversaries seeking world domination, what would it be like if they sought to terrorize humanity in various ways.... like what we see in various poltergeist and demon possession incidents? They could use such negative manifestations and behavior tactics to control humanity.

So in that case it would be worthwhile to look at those other things that are going on that qualify as paranormal and even demonic as incidents that are actually created by extraterrestrials mimicking what usually falls in the spirit haunting category. And certainly if a ghost looks like an alien where even photographs are captured of "it", then the open minded researcher would consider that that's what it actually is.. an alien and not a ghost.

[Kindred]

In my previous post, I had included a video from Bill Cooper that reviewed the issues surrounding the 'alien question'. I was just reviewing it, and realized that an important section had been 'disappeared', and another section the audio was 'blanked out'. I've found a copy that has not been altered. In particular, check out the section starting at about 26:20. This important part reviews the contacts between the US Gov't, and the two groups of alien races, with the resultant outcome.
(edit - I've removed another incomplete video, and moved the more complete one originally added as an edit of this posting)
pOxabjfqIEE

WE WERE WARNED... but chose to Not heed the benevolent being's advice.

Humanity is now reaping the outcome of that decision.

Can the outcome be changed???

POSSIBLY - IF WE AS A RACE, DECIDE TO UNIFY IN LOVE AND PEACE.

I remain hopeful, and endeavor in all my actions to offer positive affirmation and empowerment to all who choose to listen.

However - we, as a race, may have pushed Earth too far towards destruction, particularly if we don't embrace our Spirituality, and Love One Another.

There is NO OTHER WAY.
http://bioresonant.com/news.htm

In Unity, Peace and Love

[ghostrider]

dont' need a document or any government offical, or a statement to tell me something I already know ... life was seeded here , we have been mixed with humans from another star system , those giant human ET's built stone cities on every continent , you still find their skeletons and everyone has seen the stone cities ALL over the world , saying how did they do that ??? Still today we haven't built ONE stone city with such precision according to the stars ... it was good reading anyhoo ...

[sigma6]

just remember when you believe that life was seeded here from another planet or that there is a little man inside our head that makes up our consciousness, you haven't really answered any question. This is just a stop gap measure by the universities to lead the trail off.

All you have done is removed the question to another planet, and as for the "little man", same thing, where did he get his consciousness? It's just another level of another image in the barbershop mirror. (ie. remember seeing two mirrors facing each other in a barbershop when you were a kid?)

[Axman]

http://openseti.org/Hall.html Charles White take a look see what ya think.

The Axman

[Kindred]

Snowden apparently not only downloaded the info on ETs, but also ALL information on Every person in the US Gov't....

Source: http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/266-pathttp://

Thursday, 06 February 2014 20:28

February 6, 2014 -- (TRN) -- Edward Snowden, the former contractor at the National Security Agency took with him multiple "Doomsday" packages of information when he departed the country and began revealing how intensely the US Government is spying on its own citizens. He has the personal home info for all Elected Officials, Law Enforcement, Judges, Bankers, Corporate Boards of Directors and more!

At a classified briefing for members of Congress which took place on Wednesday, members found out that Snowden took with him:

a complete roster of absolutely every employee and official of the entire US Government.
The names, home addresses, unlisted personal home telephone and personal cellular phone numbers, dates of birth and social security numbers of every person involved in any way, with any department of the US Government.
The files include elected officials, Cabinet appointees, Judges, and **ALL** law enforcement agency employees including sworn officers.
Similar files with the personal information of EVERY government contractor and all employees of that contractor!
Similar files with all the personal information of EVERY Bank Corporation, their operating officers and their Boards of Directors, including all current and former members of the Federal Reserve
Similar files with all the personal information about anyone holding any type of license from the Government such as Doctors, Lawyers, Stock Brokers, Commodities Traders . . . . and many more.
Similar files with all the personal information of EVERY non-bank Corporation in the U.S., including their operating officers and Boards of Directors.

Snowden has made it clear that if he is arrested, if he vanishes, or if he "dies" from any cause whatsoever, ALL of the information in his possession will be published publicly.

TRN has confirmed that, working through Julian Assange and his "WikiLeaks" organization, copies of the encrypted data have already been distributed to more than one-thousand, two hundred (1200) web sites around the world. Those sites have agreed to conceal the information until such time as contact with Snowden is "lost." Once contact is lost, the sites have been told they will receive the Decryption keys via CD ROM, E-mail and P2P / Bit-Torrent file transfer, or, i via Postal mail, Fed Ex, UPS, DHL - type services. Once the decryption keys are sent, the sites have been instructed to wait a specific amount of time to confirm Snowden's disappearance, arrest or death and upon expiration of that time period, to publish the decrypted materials.

Making the situation all the more dire for the government is that Snowden has made clear he will release some of the information under certain "other" circumstances. For instance, if Martial Law is declared in the US or if any elections are canceled for any reason, all the government employee info goes out. If the US Dollar collapses as a currency, or there is any type of "bail-in" for banks, where depositors money is seized to prop-up banks as happened in the country of Cypress, all the Federal Reserve and Banker info goes out. If an economic collapse takes place, all the Banker/Stock Broker/Commodities Trader information goes out. If Corporations start hyper-inflating prices, all the information about them, their officers and Boards of Directors will go out.

Snowden literally has the most powerful people in the United States in an inescapable stranglehold. If any of the things articulated above take place, everyone throughout the country will know exactly who to blame and exactly where they live. One can only speculate that under the right conditions, it might not be long until those responsible for the problems of our country, faced consequences for their actions; consequences delivered one at a time, in the dark of night, when there is no help . . . . and no escape.

Leading members of the House Armed Services Committee emerged from the classified briefing “shocked” at the amount of information he reportedly took with him beyond the NSA surveillance programs.

Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Texas), chairman of the Armed Service panel’s Intelligence, Emerging Threats and Capabilities Subcommittee and also a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said the briefing on the defense consequences of Snowden’s leaks was “very highly classified,” and therefore details couldn’t be discussed.

Thornberry did say that lawmakers “left the briefing disturbed and angered” after hearing that the leaks by the former Booz Allen Hamilton employee “went well beyond programs associated with the NSA and data collection.”

He characterized the leaks as so severe that they “compromise military capability and defense of the country” and “could cost lives” — while they “will certainly cost billions to repair.”

“His actions were espionage, plain and simple,” Thornberry said.

Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon (R-Calif.) read his statement rather than making comments on the fly “because of the seriousness of this issue and the sensitivity” of the information they’d just heard.

“Ed Snowden isn’t a whistleblower; he’s a traitor,” McKeon said.

No matter what opinion people hold of the data collection programs, he added, people should be “shocked and outraged to find that a substantial amount of the information has nothing to do with the NSA.”

When asked how he felt that Snowden has done to the government, what the government has been doing to average Americans, McKeon just snarled and walked away.

At the start of the Snowden revelations, many claimed that no single "low-level" contractor could access such a wide array of classified information. It later came out that while Snowden may not have been a high level employee, he was a system administrator; giving him unlimited access to the systems inside the NSA so those systems could be maintained, reprogrammed or repaired. In that role, Snowden didn't have to spy on the government himself, he merely needed to access the spying the NSA had already done.

[Alexander]

Whatdoesitmean.com has been outed by others in the truth movement as being a disinfo site. David Wilcock was one that I remember. I've been to the site and actually followed it a little years ago. It's the same old rhetoric of fear based, "things are just about to blowup" stuff repeating over and over. Taking a look at the headlines on the site, it doesn't appear to have changed at all.

[Kindred]

Whatdoesitmean.com has been outed by others in the truth movement as being a disinfo site. David Wilcock was one that I remember. I've been to the site and actually followed it a little years ago. It's the same old rhetoric of fear based, "things are just about to blowup" stuff repeating over and over. Taking a look at the headlines on the site, it doesn't appear to have changed at all.

I had received this link from a friend, and thought it to be a good addition to this thread. I also realized that this site has been 'debunked' by others, but felt that All information can have some validity to it. By the publicly reported reactions given by the congress critters, it seems perfectly plausible that if Snowden really wanted to cause some harm, he would get as much info on the inner workings of the Gov't as possible... Particularly the personal info of All the players. If you think about it, if even half of this is true, then it would stand to reason that the information would include everything about the people connected to the US Space Command, both in Gov't and those in the MIC sector.

Remember the issue regarding Gary McKinnon and the extraordinary efforts the US Gov't made to 'get him'? I read these comments by our congress critters to be along the same exact vein.

I'll remain open minded about any information, and wait to see how it plays out.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[DNA]

Charles Hall talks of his interactions with the Tall Whites in Nevada in conjunction with the US millitary.
They were not the nordics though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31KKZvWvS8I

[Alexander]

I had received this link from a friend, and thought it to be a good addition to this thread. I also realized that this site has been 'debunked' by others, but felt that All information can have some validity to it.

Fair enough. The lie(or truth) sandwich is a common disinformation tactic. Instead of a story that's completely false, you have a mixture of truth in there. How much this particular story is true I couldn't tell, but I bet the former description is close.

[Yetti]

HEY chipsam : NOT You'RE NOT!

[ThePythonicCow]

... and has been doing so since at least 1945, Whatdoesitmean.com reported ...
Ahem ... whatdoesitmean.com ... a Sorcha Faal disinformation site.

Indeed, here's the opening of that original article from the http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1730.htm link provided in the FARS news agency article you quoted:





January 11, 2014

Snowden Documents Proving “US-Alien-Hitler” Link Stuns Russia

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

A stunning Federal Security Services (FSB) report on the nearly two million highly classified top-secret documents obtained from the United States Department of Defense (DOD) run National Security Agency-Central Security Service (NSA/CSS) by the American ex-patriot Edward Snowden states that this information is providing “incontrovertible proof” that an “alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda” is driving US domestic and international policy, and has been doing so since at least 1945.

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Whatdoesitmean.com reported

Just sayin

:)
Yup :).

I just added the qualifier "(Sorcha Faal)" to this thread's title.

[Roisin]

What's significant though about this "alien" report that was posted in FARS is that, according to the national security writer in Forbes magazine "The Fars News Agency is reportedly affiliated with Iran’s influential Revolutionary Guards", this according to Michael Peck who covers defense and national security on Forbes.

He wrote about this Snowden story and even though he thinks it's crazy, he's telling us that we need to pay attention to it because we can't rule out that those who are running Iran may in fact believe that some aspects of this story are true hence why it ended up in Fars.

Here's that link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13/iran-says-tall-white-space-aliens-control-america/

So my question is, why are the leaders in Iran so concerned about this story? Do they know something we do not? Are there aspects of this story that they have knowledge about that has caused them to believe that the US is run by extraterrestrials?

That the source of the story came from that questionable news site, not FARS, the original one, is not important in this case. Iran chose to post it in FARS because apparently the hard liners in that country do believe that extraterrestrials are working with our leaders here in the US.... or so it seems according to Forbes magazine.

[Operator]

Problem with dis-info is that still there is 'some' truth in it. Since TPTB have a kind of policy that they have
to let you know what they are up to they will use dis-info also in the hope you will throw out the baby with
the bathwater. :bathbaby::lever:

[Roisin]

It's just part of the acclimation process that's been moving at a glacial pace though admittedly it seems to be speeding up some. This is why I usually take the time to read everything and to consider that no matter how nutty something may sound, there still may be some grain of truth in that information and those who are conscientious enough to know that will pay attention to that information and make note of it.

[Atlas]

What The Rest Of The World Heard Snowden Say Last Week That US Censored (Video)
http://beforeitsnews.com/spies-and-intelligence/2014/02/what-the-rest-of-the-world-heard-snowden-say-last-week-that-us-censored-video-2445916.html?utm_medium=facebook-post&utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2F&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FtTpd&utm_campaign=&utm_content=awesmsharetools-fbshare-small

Snowden was interviewed by a German television network ARD. In the interview, Mr. Snowden lays out a succinct case as to how these domestic surveillance programs undermines and erodes human rights and democratic freedom.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1aefb0_snowden-interview-in-english_news

Clapper lies to the world

He stated his tipping point was when “seeing Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, directly lie under oath to Congress” denying the existence of a domestic spying programs while under questioning in March of last year. Under oath, Clapper said the government did “not wittingly” collect data on millions of Americans, a blatant lie for which he later apologized to the panel, changed his story and tried to justify his lie.

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/10690/images/1014117_10152214628079653_1371007490_n.jpg

“The public had a right to know about these programs,” Snowden said. “The public had a right to know that which the government is doing in its name, and that which the government is doing against the public.”

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/10690/images/1797601_10152211012169653_200231894_n.jpg


http://vimeo.com/82666985

[onawah]

The link doesn't work. Can you quote the article or give a working link? Thanks.


Here's that link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13/iran-says-tall-white-space-aliens-control-america/

[Leon88]

Don't get conned by the love and peace, eat your muesli, save the whales crap. That's a great big schmooze. These guys are prison wardens and have a vested interested in keeping up busy killing each other with war upon war upon war. They dress up in various costumes to present various scenarios to us - angels, demons, reptoids, whatever, it's all the same outfit. They get a hefty buzz out of death and blood sacrifice. Have been doing so for thousands of years.

[Kindred]

Further confirmation on the extent of what Snowden downloaded, as described by Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/25/us-usa-security-doomsday-idUSBRE9AO0Y120131125

(Reuters) - "British and U.S. intelligence officials say they are worried about a "doomsday" cache of highly classified, heavily encrypted material they believe former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden has stored on a data cloud.

The cache contains documents generated by the NSA and other agencies and includes names of U.S. and allied intelligence personnel, seven current and former U.S. officials and other sources briefed on the matter said."

"Among the material which Snowden acquired from classified government computer servers, but which has not been published by media outlets known to have had access to it, are documents containing names and resumes of employees working for NSA's British counterpart, the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), sources familiar with the matter said."

"Sources familiar with unpublished material Snowden downloaded said it also contains information about the CIA - possibly including personnel names - as well as other U.S. spy agencies such as the National Reconnaissance Office and National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, which operate U.S. image-producing satellites and analyze their data."

In Unity, Peace and Love

[panopticon]

The link doesn't work. Can you quote the article or give a working link? Thanks.


Here's that link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelp...ntrol-america/

Article link:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13/iran-says-tall-white-space-aliens-control-america/

Maybe read this afterwards:
Iranian warships will sail to U.S. maritime borders for first time to send 'a message' to the White House (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554900/Iranian-warships-sailing-US-borders-time-send-message.html)

-- Pan

[onawah]

Here is the article from Forbes at http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13/iran-says-tall-white-space-aliens-control-america/


Iran Says 'Tall, White' Space Aliens Control America

Michael Peck, Contributor | 1/13/2014
Documents leaked by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden conclusively prove that the United States has been ruled by a race of tall, white space aliens who also assisted the rise of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

These revelations about our alien overlords might not cost you any sleep. But the part that should concern you a tad is that the UFO story (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921021000393) was just published by the Fars News Agency, the English-language news service of Iran, a nation that may be very close to acquiring nuclear weapons.

This being a crazy conspiracy theory, naturally the Russians are behind it. The alleged alien invasion was revealed in an alleged report by Russia’s FSB spy agency, which found “incontrovertible proof’ that an ‘alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda’ is driving U.S. domestic and international policy, and has been doing so since at least 1945,” said the Iranian news service.

http://thepythoniccow.us/Alien-thumb.jpg
Fars apparently got the story from a hard-core conspiracy site called whatdoesitmean.com (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1730.htm). Here is the gist of the whatdoesitmean.com story as best I understand it (or as the alien mind-control lasers allow me to understand it)

Snowden, who has been given asylum in Russia, leaked documents that a race of extraterestrial “tall whites” arrived on Earth, helped Nazi Germany build a fleet of advanced submarines in the 1930s, and then met in 1954 with President Dwight Eisenhower “where the ‘secret regime’ currently
ruling over America was established.”

“Most disturbingly, this FSB report warns, is that the ‘Tall White’ agenda being implemented by the ‘secret regime’ ruling the United States calls for the creation of a global electronic surveillance system meant to hide all true information about their presence here on earth as they enter into what one of Snowden’s documents calls the ‘final phase’ of their end plan for total assimilation and world rule.”

Meanwhile, the U.S. government is embroiled in a “cataclysmic” power struggle between President Obama, who heads the alien shadow government, and some unknown force that opposed the U.S.-alien alliance. “Most to be feared by Russian policy makers and authorities, this [FSB] report concludes, is if those opposing the ‘Tall White’ ‘secret regime’ ruled over by Obama have themselves aligned with another alien-extraterrestrial power themselves.”

Any good conspiracy theory needs a patina of truth, a bit of intellectual cover to camouflage the craziness. In this case, the whatdoesitmean.com/Fars story cites Paul Hellyer,
the 1960s Canadian defense minister who is now a fervent UFO activist (http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/%D1%81anada-minister-defense-ufo-959/).

This is almost a funny story, until one remembers that Iran is a moderately powerful nation of 76 million people, with a possible nuclear arsenal, relatively large conventional military power, extensive terrorist capabilities through its intelligence agencies and Hezbollah, and a fundamentalist government that could easily engage in hostilities against the U.S. Laugh if you will at conspiracy theories, but they offer explanatory value for their believers, a way of making sense of why things happen, even if it is a funhouse-mirror explanation of the world. The Fars News Agency is reportedly affiliated with Iran’s influential Revolutionary Guards, which suggests that either Iran is either desperate to smear the U.S. any way it can, or there indeed is a very peculiar view of U.S. politics at the highest levels of the Iranian government.

If there is a bright spot to this as well as a funny bone, it’s that the goal of U.S. policy is to contain and neutralize Iranian influence. So, perhaps it’s not necessarily a bad thing that Tehran thinks its main adversary is backed by the power of space aliens. It’s good to have friends in high places, even if they have two heads.

[ThePythonicCow]

The link doesn't work. Can you quote the article or give a working link? Thanks.


Here's that link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13/iran-says-tall-white-space-aliens-control-america/
I went back and fixed the links to that Forbes article, so that they work now.

[ThePythonicCow]

Maybe read this afterwards:
Iranian warships will sail to U.S. maritime borders for first time to send 'a message' to the White House (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2554900/Iranian-warships-sailing-US-borders-time-send-message.html)

-- Pan
At the risk of straying further off topic down that rabbit hole, here's another look at those Iranian ships, connecting a few of the dots: Look behind the Iran warships headed to U.S. borders, By Douglas J. Hagmann, 9 February 2014 (http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/10477)

[onawah]

There was a missing link to this story about why Iran may think the US is being controlled by aliens that I wanted to add to the mix, but I had to delay commenting until I got permission from Simon to quote what he wrote on his thread about Iran, which I've copied from Simon's Post #541, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30323-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=595309&viewfull=1#post595309).





Of greater impact to world politics was the forced landing of a US sentinel drone in Iran. This drone was built based on the ships that crashed at New Mexico (Roswell), and in a stroke the balance of power between the two sides Iran/USA was brought closer. The drone was NOT shot down, the Iranians did not take control of it, nor did the drone's operators force land it. Nevertheless it landed intact for the Iranians to back-engineer.

When I asked Simon's permission to quote him here on this thread (since this thread is a public one and his thread is for members only) I wrote the following in the PM:






There is discussion on the thread about hoaxed news sources, but the main issue has to do with Iran's current display of power for the US using warships, etc, and what that signifies, and the possibility that Iran suspects the US is being controlled by aliens (though that is what may be the hoaxed info).
See Roison's post # 29 here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68223-Snowden-leaked-docs-proving-aliens-working-with-govt-says-irans-fars-news-16th-jan-2014--Sorcha-Faal-&p=794937&viewfull=1#post794937) especially, as follows:


What's significant though about this "alien" report that was posted in FARS is that, according to the national security writer in Forbes magazine "The Fars News Agency is reportedly affiliated with Iran’s influential Revolutionary Guards", this according to Michael Peck who covers defense and national security on Forbes.

He wrote about this Snowden story and even though he thinks it's crazy, he's telling us that we need to pay attention to it because we can't rule out that those who are running Iran may in fact believe that some aspects of this story are true hence why it ended up in Fars.

Here's that link: Iran Says 'Tall, White' Space Aliens Control America (Forbes.com) (http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/13/iran-says-tall-white-space-aliens-control-america/)

So my question is, why are the leaders in Iran so concerned about this story? Do they know something we do not? Are there aspects of this story that they have knowledge about that has caused them to believe that the US is run by extraterrestrials?

That the source of the story came from that questionable news site, not FARS, the original one, is not important in this case. Iran chose to post it in FARS because apparently the hard liners in that country do believe that extraterrestrials are working with our leaders here in the US.... or so it seems according to Forbes magazine.
Simon, I wonder if you would be interested in commenting on any possible relationship between the two events. Either on your own thread, or on the other one, though keeping in mind that other thread is viewable to the public, not just to Avalon.


When Simon granted me permission, he also added:




Iran is a difficult case. The president of Iran is associated with the same negative factions that control the current US presidency, but the spiritual leader of Iran is not. So in effect, Iran is split down the middle. The ships are not a threat to the US; the ships are meant to be interpreted by world media as a power struggle between the US and Iran. This power struggle does not exist.

(It was captured by Iranians, but it was not the Iranians that forced the drone to land on Iranian territory.)

[ThePythonicCow]

There was a missing link to this story about why Iran may think the US is being controlled by aliens ...
Very interesting ... thanks!

[Roisin]

Onawah, thanks for running that by Simon. His response to your inquiries about all of that not only makes sense but puts things into entire different perspective that I never considered before. Much to ponder over and thanks again for posting that information here!

[onawah]

I'm glad some other Avalonians saw the significance of this added information.
I am going to ask Simon who was responsible for the downed drone, which I'm hoping he can tell us, and what further, future implications this event may hold in store.

[Labrenthina]

Humor my idea for a moment....
These beings/ET/Alien (whatever we call them), have been visiting Earth for thousands of years and have had contact with our world leaders and military, they vary in their origin, culture, appearance, personality and technology.
From what we can gather some are gentle and kind, some are scary and we do not know if they have an agenda.
Logically, if the agenda was for a 'take over' of Earth or any other negative, they could have done this at any time during the thousands of years or even today.
Could it be more likely that these beings/ET/Alien have made contact with governments and military and it is those HUMANS in government and military that have an agenda for 'world domination' fueled by greed and power lust.
It is those humans using the ET to further their agenda rather than ET's having dark agendas. For me this would make more sense than advanced beings being so patient as to take thousands of years to dominate over a not advanced species like humans. What is there to gain for them? However, we do know that certain sociopath humans gravitate to positions of 'power' and do try and dominate over the masses and this doesn't take thousands of years. These sociopaths could and would use ET knowledge and technology and keep it secret to further their dark agenda without question, we can see it all around us!

***I am not advocating that all ET/beings/Aliens are the 'good guys' or have pure hearts (in humanitarian terms) as we can't judge by our human terms and culture/morals. I do however believe they have remained not intrusive for the most part (although the many negative experiences) as these beings may not be aware that their actions could effect humans badly (do we think twice before using bug spray? do we consider the bugs feelings?). But I do know that there are negative aspects in human nature expressed by ones we call 'sociopaths' and are experts at manipulation and exploitation.

[sheme]

Racism all over again? I want no part of it.