Thorium powered reactors....can the past become the future?

[Lefty Dave]

http://www.itheo.org/news

Greetings,
Hoping to get a discussion going here as to the idea of a safer nuclear energy. Many are not aware that the first reactors built were Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors, or LFTR's for short. They were a safer form of nuclear power, didn't produce plutonium, and couldn't melt down, and were a lot cheaper to build...

Are there people here who could broaden our knowledge about this procedure...are there countries building these reactors now....at what scale can these be built...could a state or county afford to build one without federal help or oversight?

I understand that LFTR's produce enough excess heat to power desalinization plants and other technologies and can be portable...

It seems to me that, until overunity devices or zero point or magnetic devices can be perfected, these thorium reactors could be implemented, and lower the cost of energy production to nearly free....

Would appreciate your thoughts and advice, Avalonians,

I've tried to get Duke Power to discuss this here in my area, as they have shut down our nuclear power plant last year...and have plans to build a natural gas power plant...but...the pipeline isn't even here yet...

Thanks


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[Bob]

http://www.itheo.org/news

Greetings,
Hoping to get a discussion going here as to the idea of a safer nuclear energy.

Many are not aware that the first reactors built were Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors, or LFTR's for short. T

hey were a safer form of nuclear power, didn't produce plutonium, and couldn't melt down, and were a lot cheaper to build...
[..]

Hi LD - I found an interesting thread discussion on thorium power in the Forum, here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5140-Thorium-would-sensibly-be-the-way-to-go&p=47431&viewfull=1#post47431

The "Energy Multiplier" concept put forth by General Atomics - http://www.ga.com/energy-multiplier-module looks at using atomic waste (depleted uranium for instance) as part of a fuel plus adding in thorium for being able to "burn up" the uranics, and plutonium in the wastes..

The liquid fluoride thorium, or the liquid lead systems can require a very large infrastructure, for maintenance, albeit lesser than the dirty plutonium reactors..

I am an advocate for decentralization of thorium modules, to get off the main centralized power grid, but to utilize the benefits of the "heat generator" capability of thorium modules.

[sigma6]

I posted a link here with the "controversial title"

Thorium is Evidence of Global Agenda
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54822-Thorium-Is-Evidence-Of-Global-Agenda&p=623569&viewfull=1#post623569

To draw attention to the fact they had a working system over 50 years ago, but are now pretending that they still need to do "research" on it and yet at the same time there are in fact companies willing to build these today, (BUT apparently lacking GOVERNMENT SUPPORT????)

All signs of an unmistakable global agenda. And who is behind of the super dangerous GE Nuclear Reactors in Japan? - the Rockefellers of course. By placing the rods over the top of the reactors. The risk of danger only accumulates with time... just in time for when 70 years of economic slavery they were forced to sign, when they surrendered in 1945, will be up in 2015... (as per Winston Shrout's interpretation of how Bankruptcy operates on a International Scale and evidenced by observations in the work of Harry S Dent Jrs economic cycles in the US, that has gone through 3 of these 70 years cycles and is technically free of all bankruptcy obligations (after the third)... the "people" according to Winston are free to "step out of this system of commerce if they so choose" although the "corporations" have perfected this system of commerce... and probably prefer to maintain it... )

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54822-Thorium-Is-Evidence-Of-Global-Agenda&p=623569&viewfull=1#post623569

[Johnny]

I've tried to get Duke Power to discuss this here in my area, as they have shut down our nuclear power plant last year...and have plans to build a natural gas power plant...but...the pipeline isn't even here yet...




Greetings.
There is a saying: Follow the money !!!!

Johnny

[Lefty Dave]

I found these links on a previous Sigma6 post...very helpful...thanks.

A library of links on Thorium:

Kirk Sorensen - TEDxYYC - Thorium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2vzotsvvkw

Kirk Sorenson - Thorium Molten-Salt Reactor (TMSR): Why Didn't This Happen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbyr7jZOllI

Kirk Sorenson - LFTR in 5 Minutes - THORIUM REMIX 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbucAwOT2Sc

Kirk Sorenson - Energy From Thorium:
A Nuclear Waste Burning Liquid Salt Thorium Reactor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZR0UKxNPh8

Joe Bonometti - Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR): What Fusion Wanted To Be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHs2U...feature=relmfu

David LeBlanc - Liquid Fluoride Reactors: A New Beginning for an Old Idea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F0tUDJ35So

Robert Hargrave - Aim High: Using Thorium Energy to Address Environmental Problems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgKfS...eature=related

The Thorium Dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbGZ_Y-xkPM

[Bob]

So LD, we do have a thorium following in the forum.

Johnny says "follow the money", and I can't agree more that's the issue, secondary issue, somebody wants the dirty plutonium from the dirty reactors.

And Sigma6 points out GE, (oye), has been pushing crap since Edison ripped off Tesla. Dirty reactors, lousy lightbulbs, and appliances, everything that breaks and ends up in some type of disaster to the end buyer sooner or later (Fuku world ! says GE)... (sigh)..

I believe the lowest cost thorium systems aren't going to be the liquid salt, or liquid lead systems, but the gaseous systems that General Atomics has proposed.. So in following the money, my bet is GA, not GE, not Westinghouse..

I have no idea how to get some vested power company to switch over.. to safer thorium.

As atomic waste from GE or CANDU reactors (Canada) is horrendous, continues to build up, uranium reactor failure is disastrous when key parts of the reactor fails and the containment is breached, or supercritical systems don't really "shutdown", the stuck on stupid mindset is all too rampant. And the public complains, but no switch-over happens with the organizations using nuclear power.

The right thorium systems will burn up the waste from the dirty stockpiles. What's wrong with that? And give clean energy, where technically thorium reaction is a 60X more energy out than in.. There are safe systems, just not Uranium powered ones (the existing fiasco worldwide).

Follow which companies are keeping clean atomics (thorium) out of the spotlight.

Why are they doing such things, risking global pollution for what, cheapo to produce products, where the bottom line corporate profits are off the greed scale?


http://www.ga.com/websites/ga/docs/em2/images/economics-graph.png

If economics is the reason, the concept of the thorium (nuclear waste burning) energy multiplier comes in as the lowest cost system.. Generate energy cleanly, burn up nuclear waste stockpiles, and not require refueling for 30 years.. what could be better at this stage of the program?

ED Note: - Strange how the biggest companies with the best solutions have a darker side.. General Atomics makes the Predator Drones MQ/RQ-1 series. One of them is the unmanned "smart" killer drone that can go out and decide on it's own if the target needs to be taken out.. Interesting eh? Duality? ref: http://www.ga-asi.com/

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6wQP2qaaEk

[Rocky_Shorz]

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