Love came second

[Chester]

I recently asked the Originator, "Why all this?"

The answer came back - "Boredom, son... boredom."

"Surely it had to have been love, right?"

"Nope... love was the surprise that came second."

So I asked for further explanation and this is what I was told.

"Imagine you are the all that is, you are eternal, nothing exists that is not you. You know all, you are all and on and on and on. Nothing changes as how can the one and only ever be anything else?"

"Sounds like that might get old," I replied.

"Precisely, sunny boy... looks like you get it."

So then I asked, "what about love?"

"Well, clearly you can understand I am all possibility, yes? And within all possibility is the possibility to self destruct as well, yes?"

So I simply tricked myself into forgetting who I am and that is how "you" came about."

So I asked, "So I am just you with a small twist... that I forgot I am you?"

"Bingo. Hahaha...

But still - give yourself some credit for it was you... meaning all of you... meaning all Life that manifests within my dream who came up with love, for without love... within me (all possibility), the instant self destruct possibility would blow up the whole dream, yes?

It is your love for life that keeps the dream rolling and as long as love lasts, so will our dream."

But then I had to ask more - "But why all the drama??!!"

"Well, you also invented the game hide and seek, yes? So life likes to play hide and seek with love - thus all the drama."

POW!

[enfoldedblue]

This reminds me of what I found: There is a point... BECAUSE there is no point...a purpose BECAUSE there is no purpose. The fact that at the base there is no point in the universe provides us with one and all else follows......

Love is what makes it worthwhile

Thanks for sharing

[greybeard]

"Divine Romance" by Yogananda is a book worth reading.
The hide and seek you mention triggered my memory of passages in the book Chester.

Chris

[Davidallany]

Who is to say that boredom is just a human feeling? I know that at higher states of the so called mind, there is no boredom whatsoever, nor there is the so called love. There is just knowing and freedom. Then again, that's just my experience.
I will not pretend to guess who we are or why we are here on the so called Earth, because I do not have this information. Maybe we will as a race be able to tell in a million years from now with the advancement of technology and spirituality.

" It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring"

Carl Sagan

[obaefun]

Hi every one,
I am curious in the definition of purpose, as use in this tread, in other words, is the word purpose use here as an indication of a mandatory mandate without question, or as an intention with free will of choise.
Another question that arrise to me is what came first, the universe or its Laws? That is, what came first, Nature or its Laws?
If an apple tree fail to give apples, did it fullfill its purpose?

My point is if I may, to explain how every thing in Nature have a Purpose, whether the tree understand it or not, or accept it or not, behind every action there is an intention, in this order Intention, Action, Efect, to get the Creation out of this equation, some people take out the Intention( Purpose) Fact.

As everything that is created by nature most follow its inmutable Laws. So how come we can comand our body to do our will, even sometimes against Natural Laws?
The anwser of this last question, will define once and for all, that old question of "the chicken and the egg", what came first, We or our Body.
Maybe I went to far away fron the point of the conversation on this tread, if i did I apologize, my intention was to bring about questions that scientis don't ask thenself as far as I am concern, they study the effect, to proof a theory of cause, and even if they get it right, they fail to discover its intention.

[pugwash84]

So I simply tricked myself into forgetting who I am and that is how "you" came about."

People can change who they are by changing the perception in which they see and believe themselves to be. If a child is growing up and told that he/she is stupid and that image is put into the child's mind, the child is going to behave appropriately to who they think they are. If there was then a quiz on the child will automatically think that he/she would not be capable of taking part even if the child is clever.
To change ourselves we must change how we see ourselves, then change how other people see us by our actions. Our friends have a big impact on us and if they say things like "that's not like you" then our old perception of ourself may come back to mind. This is why showing people a newer self image of yourself will make the new perception of yourself feel like the new you and the old ways will feel strange rather than the new ways feeling strange.

ramblings over !!!!!

[Chester]

Hi every one,
I am curious in the definition of purpose, as use in this tread, in other words, is the word purpose use here as an indication of a mandatory mandate without question, or as an intention with free will of choise.

The story I wrote was simply a story. It was an exploration of a pathway that demonstrated its own logic. There was no intention to suggest that this metaphor may be the underlying foundation as to the reasons for creation. I wrote it simply because I had been exploring this concept (as many concepts) and suddenly felt I could spill out the words in a reasonably well worded way.

Interestingly though, I have been studying the human being as of late, and I am discovering so, so many habits most humans seem to repeat and do so seemingly to their own detriment. Do understand, one of the human beings I study is myself, Chester. Its easier to see "character defects" in others for Chester, yet, since my recent trip through Turiya and all the way to the doorstep of Turiyatita, now that I have experienced a return of the presence of my ego, that presence is generally noticed and rarely has it been ruling me like it did for pretty much my entire life.... and so now I am seeing so many of my own character defects and they are, at first, humbling... but now I am able to own them, move through them and some seem to be dropping away. Hopefully for others, this is true.



Another question that arrise to me is what came first, the universe or its Laws? That is, what came first, Nature or its Laws?
If an apple tree fail to give apples, did it fullfill its purpose?

My point is if I may, to explain how every thing in Nature have a Purpose, whether the tree understand it or not, or accept it or not, behind every action there is an intention, in this order Intention, Action, Efect, to get the Creation out of this equation, some people take out the Intention( Purpose) Fact.


I find the concept of purpose (other than the single and only possible purpose that makes any sense to me which I will state after this opening comment) is a derivation of the egoic mind. It seems to me that only the egoic mind requires a purpose for "itself." This then brings in the obvious required component, identity. That is a creation and/or result of the rising of the egoic mind. To move through this demonstrates this is just a stage and to be stuck in identity does not have to remain a permanent condition. One can remain there by choice but it appears the odds that condition endures is low as it eventually becomes entropic. Still, there, all but permanently there and with infinitely small odds one could ever change their mind.



As everything that is created by nature most follow its inmutable Laws.


I find this statement to be assumptive and I have found assumptions can be dangerous. Yet, Chester makes them all the time but does so consciously. I try on an assumption like we try on some clothes. If we like the way they fit and feel, we might keep them and if not, we discard them.

Rupert Sheldrake opened my eyes regarding "constants" in physical science. They don't exist as far as we know though mainstream orthodox science insists (or simply decides) that they do. And for them, they must... otherwise their equations used as "proofs" fall apart.

So if that is the case in the physical world, then it is certainly possible there are no fixed laws in the natural world. I have found to assume so has led me to dead ends and life begins to be confused and or I see myself heading towards entropy.



So how come we can comand our body to do our will, even sometimes against Natural Laws?


If you feel you need laws, make your own and then try them on like that same clothes mentioned above and see if they fit and that you like them.



The anwser of this last question, will define once and for all, that old question of "the chicken and the egg", what came first, We or our Body.

Thankfully, you are asking questions... many don't. Some have claimed Chester's worst repetiive habit has been the asking of the question "why?" I have never stopped asking yet.



Maybe I went to far away fron the point of the conversation on this tread, if i did I apologize, my intention was to bring about questions that scientis don't ask thenself as far as I am concern, they study the effect, to proof a theory of cause, and even if they get it right, they fail to discover its intention.

Thanks for the opportunity to blabber a bit more. No... you didn't go to far for me and again, the post is appreciated.

WoW! I just noticed you are a new member - Welcome to a fantastic home for folks who are willing to explore what most still avoid! I have made some of the very best friends Chester ever had here.

[Chester]

Thanks to:
enfoldedblue
Davidallany
and pugwash84
for the responses - all have me pondering

Thanks, Chris, for the book recommendation and its on the Hot List now.