HOAX: Lawrence Spencer's 'ALIEN INTERVIEW'

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Folks:

THis morning I received another message from someone asking for my opinion about Lawrence Spencer's 'ALIEN INTERVIEW (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alieninterview/alieninterview.htm)'.

Here is my standard reply to everyone who writes (and a lot of people have). This needs to be plainly stated on the internet, as this one seems not to be going away. I ask all members to cross-post this freely to other forums. The hoax needs to be cleared up... there's too much nonsense in ufology already.

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‘ALIEN INTERVIEW’ by Lawrence Spencer



Unfortunately, this book is a hoax. This is definitive.

Lawrence Spencer is careful (presumably for legal reasons) to offer the written disclaimer that 'Alien Interview (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alieninterview/alieninterview.htm)'. should be regarded as a work of fiction, but it does the UFO community (and the Scientology community - see below) no favors when Spencer maintained on subsequent radio talk shows, some with sizable audiences, that the purported "interview" really happened. It did not.

Conveniently, the claimed source, "Matilda MacElroy" is "deceased" - and Spencer "destroyed all the original documentation". So we'll just have to take his word for it... and his word, publicly stated, is that he is portraying real events. Sadly, his word is not very honorable, and he is lying. I don't often deploy that unpleasant word, but here its use is accurate and fair.

Any Scientologist with any experience will instantly recognize the very large number of terms and concepts directly borrowed from (and sourced by) L. Ron Hubbard.

These are literally too numerous to list, starting right at the start with "doll bodies", "what's true is what's true for you", "If you were looking for Hell, the Earth would suffice", liberal use of the term "Space Opera", the concept that the Earth is a prison planet, and much, much, much else. Find any friendly Scientologist and they will be pleased and intrigued to go through the book line by line with you. There's a smoking gun on almost every page.

Spencer has maybe made an unfortunate judgment, and written an interesting work of fiction (and don't get me wrong here: many of the metaphysical concepts, formulated by Hubbard, may be valuable and have a great deal of truth to them) - but has then fallen into the trap of using his idea of journalistic license to portray the concepts in the framework of a "true story".

This does not help genuine UFO research one iota, and further confuses the complex Roswell issue - in which real, elderly witnesses, with great courage at the end of their lives, have come forward to tell their very real stories. Spencer discredits and dishonors these fine people by what he has done. This is my issue.

Almost as an afternote: there are many other problems with the book - many of which are already cited by other reviewers. Use of the terms "carbon dating", "computer", "database", "alien" (the Roswell survivor was called an EBE, or Extraterrestrial Biological Entity), MacElroy being a "Senior Master Sergeant" - and more - are all anachronisms: the words or terms did not exist in 1947, and show clearly that this is recent writing. The date stamp is also wrong: the author uses the English notation of 9.7.1947 for 9 July 1947... a little slip, written by Spencer, who although American is very familiar with England.

Lastly, consider what the alien's name ('AIRL') is an anagram of.

The final nail in the coffin is this e-mail, written by Spencer himself in 2000:

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From: Lawrence Spencer
Sent: 07 November 2000 02:12
To: Graham Hancock
Subject: Your victory

Dear Graham,

Congratulations to you and Robert on your victory regarding the BBC 
attack! Well Done! I commend you on your courage and persistence.

I am the author of "The Oz Factors" (I sent both yourself and Robert a 
copy of my book last spring), so I certainly do have some first hand 
knowledge how the mainstream academic vested interests operate to 
suppress the truth. My book discusses this subject as one of the 12 
"Oz Factors" which prevent our civilization from discovering answers 
to the mysteries of our existence.

I have been a Scientologist for 31 years. A good deal of my book is an 
application of the principles of L. Ron Hubbard as regards the fields 
of study into which you and Robert have so bravely advanced. Perhaps 
the material in my book will be of assistance to you at some point in 
your research.

Keep up the good fight!

Very Best Regards,
Lawrence R. Spencer
author of "The Oz Factors"

**********

Read this book as the metaphysically fascinating work of fiction that it is. Spencer's post-publication behavior, however, elevates this "fiction" to the level of a dishonorable hoax, for which he should be ashamed. He could have handled this much, much better.

I'm a UFO researcher myself. If you want the truth, there are many other places to find it. And if Spencer wants to contact me, he can through Project Avalon or Project Camelot (bill@projectavalon.net).

I'd be interested to know privately what possessed him to go so far and to paint himself into such a corner, from which escape is now almost impossible without him continuing to deceive his readers.

Bill Ryan
PROJECT AVALON
PROJECT CAMELOT

[Celine]

Thank you for sharing this with us Bill.

Integrity is a very valuable commodity these days.

Nice to be pointed in the right direction

[Heise]

Hmm, it seems these types always lke to create hoaxes like these. rich Von Daniken did the same about those Chinese discs and the Dropa stories.

[Etherios]

Hmm, it seems these types always lke to create hoaxes like these. rich Von Daniken did the same about those Chinese discs and the Dropa stories.

Come on Daniken isnt making up stories... he gives his viewpoint on facts. There are chinese discs and Dropa. What HE thinks they are is ... HIS view. This guy created the hole story from scratch.

Daniken might be wrong or might be right but at least he takes facts ... well almost all the books of him a read do that...

[truthseekerdan]

http://alieninterview.org/images/AI_index_bkgrd.jpg
http://alieninterview.org/images/index_intro-letter.jpg


Read more: http://alieninterview.org/

YouTube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/AlienInterview

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Is this the one with the nurse who supposedly communicated with the alien who referred to us as is-be's. If it is i believe it was proved a hoax, :(

[paradigmreality]

Here is a copy of the book in pdf format for those who interested in reading i managed to find this and upload to my media fire account ;-) Enjoy

http://www.mediafire.com/?yrx5vcbn055m0ab

[Solace]

Third page of the book.

"
Disclaimer
As far as the Editor of the book, "Alien Interview" is concerned, and for all practical
purposes, the content of the book is a work of fiction. The Editor makes no claim to
the factuality of the content, and in fact, cannot prove that the alleged author
actually ever existed. Although some of the dates, locations, persons and incidents
described may be factual or based on fact, there is no evidence to authenticate that equally as many may be subjective contrivances of the author."

;):p

[truthseekerdan]

Thank you paradigmreality! :thumb:

@Solace: "The Editor is not responsible for any assumptions, inferences or conclusions made by
the reader based on the material in this book, which are solely and only the responsibility of the reader.

What is true for you, is true for you."

[truthseekerdan]

Here is a copy of the book in pdf format for those who interested in reading i managed to find this and upload to my media fire account ;-) Enjoy

http://www.mediafire.com/?yrx5vcbn055m0ab

Has anyone read this book? If yes, please post your comments, etc. TIA

[Bill Ryan]

Guys, this is a hoax. (Sorry!)

As this was continually resurfacing, I posted a definitive statement here a few weeks ago:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6865-HOAX-Lawrence-Spencer-s-ALIEN-INTERVIEW

---------------------

‘ALIEN INTERVIEW’ by Lawrence Spencer



Unfortunately, this book is a hoax. This is definitive.

Lawrence Spencer is careful (presumably for legal reasons) to offer the written disclaimer that 'Alien Interview (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alieninterview/alieninterview.htm)'. should be regarded as a work of fiction, but it does the UFO community (and the Scientology community - see below) no favors when Spencer maintained on subsequent radio talk shows, some with sizable audiences, that the purported "interview" really happened. It did not.

Conveniently, the claimed source, "Matilda MacElroy" is "deceased" - and Spencer "destroyed all the original documentation". So we'll just have to take his word for it... and his word, publicly stated, is that he is portraying real events. Sadly, his word is not very honorable, and he is lying. I don't often deploy that unpleasant word, but here its use is accurate and fair.

Any Scientologist with any experience will instantly recognize the very large number of terms and concepts directly borrowed from (and sourced by) L. Ron Hubbard.

These are literally too numerous to list, starting right at the start with "doll bodies", "what's true is what's true for you", "If you were looking for Hell, the Earth would suffice", liberal use of the term "Space Opera", the concept that the Earth is a prison planet, and much, much, much else. Find any friendly Scientologist and they will be pleased and intrigued to go through the book line by line with you. There's a smoking gun on almost every page.

Spencer has maybe made an unfortunate judgment, and written an interesting work of fiction (and don't get me wrong here: many of the metaphysical concepts, formulated by Hubbard, may be valuable and have a great deal of truth to them) - but has then fallen into the trap of using his idea of journalistic license to portray the concepts in the framework of a "true story".

This does not help genuine UFO research one iota, and further confuses the complex Roswell issue - in which real, elderly witnesses, with great courage at the end of their lives, have come forward to tell their very real stories. Spencer discredits and dishonors these fine people by what he has done. This is my issue.

Almost as an afternote: there are many other problems with the book - many of which are already cited by other reviewers. Use of the terms "carbon dating", "computer", "database", "alien" (the Roswell survivor was called an EBE, or Extraterrestrial Biological Entity), MacElroy being a "Senior Master Sergeant" - and more - are all anachronisms: the words or terms did not exist in 1947, and show clearly that this is recent writing. The date stamp is also wrong: the author uses the English notation of 9.7.1947 for 9 July 1947... a little slip, written by Spencer, who although American is very familiar with England.

Lastly, consider what the alien's name ('AIRL') is an anagram of.

The final nail in the coffin is this e-mail, written by Spencer himself in 2000:

**********



From: Lawrence Spencer
Sent: 07 November 2000 02:12
To: Graham Hancock
Subject: Your victory

Dear Graham,

Congratulations to you and Robert on your victory regarding the BBC 
attack! Well Done! I commend you on your courage and persistence.

I am the author of "The Oz Factors" (I sent both yourself and Robert a 
copy of my book last spring), so I certainly do have some first hand 
knowledge how the mainstream academic vested interests operate to 
suppress the truth. My book discusses this subject as one of the 12 
"Oz Factors" which prevent our civilization from discovering answers 
to the mysteries of our existence.

I have been a Scientologist for 31 years. A good deal of my book is an 
application of the principles of L. Ron Hubbard as regards the fields 
of study into which you and Robert have so bravely advanced. Perhaps 
the material in my book will be of assistance to you at some point in 
your research.

Keep up the good fight!

Very Best Regards,
Lawrence R. Spencer
author of "The Oz Factors"

**********

Read this book as the metaphysically fascinating work of fiction that it is. Spencer's post-publication behavior, however, elevates this "fiction" to the level of a dishonorable hoax, for which he should be ashamed. He could have handled this much, much better.

I'm a UFO researcher myself. If you want the truth, there are many other places to find it. And if Spencer wants to contact me, he can through Project Avalon or Project Camelot (bill@projectavalon.net).

I'd be interested to know privately what possessed him to go so far and to paint himself into such a corner, from which escape is now almost impossible without him continuing to deceive his readers.

Bill Ryan
PROJECT AVALON
PROJECT CAMELOT

[truthseekerdan]

Hi Bill, thank you for your elaborated post. :yo:
The book did not resonate with me, even though it was an interesting read.
That's why I asked around. Kudos for your research. :thumb:

Many Blessings, ~ Dan

[Fredkc]

From page 12:
"Fortunately subjective reality does not require proof. Therefore I decided to write this book...."

Ok... had to come back, since I am a sucker for great poetic stuff, said simply.

From page 50:
For the sake of accuracy and simplicity I will use a made-up word: "IS-BE". Because the primary nature of an immortal being is that they live in a timeless state of "is", and the only reason for their existence is that they decide to "be".

[Lita]

This below was posted by OzFactor at the Camelot forum when people were discussing the ebook..thought it may be of interest...

Re: Alien Interview
#7051 1 week, 2 days ago
BILL RYAN'S "HOAX" PRONOUNCEMENT ON THE BOOK ALIEN INTERVIEW

Apparently, Bill Ryan was a Scientologist who studied the subject very thoroughly. His proclamation that the book, Alien Interview, is a "hoax, seems to be based on the premise that he is an "authority" on the subject of Scientology. How did Mr. Bill come to know so much about Scientology? Further, how does this give Bill the authority to casually dismiss the entire content of the book that he claims is a "hoax"? For that matter, what is the vested interest of any self-appointed "authority"?

Personally, during the 1970s, I did some of the same courses in Scientology that were done by some "remote viewers", most notably, Ingo Swann. The subject was popular in the US during that decade. In his case, Ingo decided to collaborate with the CIA, who used the abilities gained from his study to assist them in covert military surveillance and other projects. However, neither myself or Ingo Swan has studied that subject in the "church" for many years.

My personal application of that material was invested, somewhat, in The Oz Factors book. I am quite sure, in retrospect, that Matilda MacElroy -- who read my book -- confided the military transcripts published in Alien Interview to me because of the content of my book, for the reasons stated in the letter I received from her, which I published in the book Alien Interview.

My research for the book, "The Oz Factors", in 1998 is what led me to the connection with Matilda MacElroy, who 10 years later, in 2008, mailed me the transcripts which I decided to publish in the form of the book, Alien Interview.

I don't care if Bill Ryan, or anyone else, believes or disbelieves whether or not I wrote the material published in the book, Alien Interview. In fact, as I have stated many times, I cannot prove the identity of the person who used the assumed identity of "Matilda MacElroy". However, as stated in the book, I received that material and published it exactly as described in the opening pages of the book.

As Bill points out, so authoritatively, why would I (or anyone) be stupid enough to write the material -- even if I were capable of such, which I am not -- and publish it as factual material? Moreover, what would be the point in it? Some sort of covert publicity stunt to promote a scientific or philosophic dogma? To sell books that I made available for FREE on the internet? In spite of what others may think, including self-appointed "authorities" on various subjects, the idiocy of such an undertaking would be too transparent for even the most gullible denizens of internet chat rooms.

In short, the actual authorship of the material contained in the letters and the transcripts as published in the book Alien Interview is subject to speculation. I certainly do not disagree with Bill Ryan that there a similarities between Hubbard and the material in the transcripts. However, the transcripts were recorded in July and August of 1947. The "similar material" that Hubbard published wasn't published until AFTER 1947. In fact, not until 1950 or later.

The book I published in 1999, The Oz Factors, discusses the subject of “vested interests”, and the adverse affect these have on problem solving and on the perception of truth. There are a large number of professional “UFO experts” who have a very big vested interest in promoting their own personal brand of “UFO Research”. There are a even greater number of priests of who claim to have a “exclusive monopoly” on spiritual wisdom.

Several of these self-appointed “authorities”, who earn their living by telling people what to think about the UFO phenomenon or about their own souls, have attacked the publication of Alien Interview. In fact, these people spend a great deal of time attacking each other and their conflicting ideas, and personal agendas. They do this for the same reason that politicians attack each other — their personal power and wealth depend on swaying public opinion toward their own brand of “truth”.

The facts of the matter are very, very simple: as far as I know, the transcripts of the interviews at the Roswell Army Air Force base took place in July and August of 1947. They were sent to me, with personal letters and notes, from a nurse who claims that she was stationed at Roswell, N.M. in 1947.

I have received e-mails from dozens of people around the world who have advised me that the transcripts published in the book contain ideas, words, phrases, or concepts that are “just like” their own religion (fill in the blank _________ ). I am sure that the “similarities” claimed to exist between the transcripts and other philosophies really do exist.

It is not difficult to point out similarities between information in the transcripts and nearly any spiritual philosophy or religion. The transcripts make it very clear that The Domain brought The Vedas to Earth about 10,000 years ago. Most scholars will observe that The Vedas are the source material for many spiritual philosophies, and many of the religions of Earth.

However, when drawing comparisons, one must look at which came first? The chicken or the egg?

When I received the transcripts from Matilda, I spent many months reviewing each detail of the material in an attempt to authenticate the efficacy of the transcripts and their content. I have continued to do this, as have many others, since the transcripts were published. It’s easy for a critic to flippantly “discredit” anything that threatens their vested interests. Just like any politician discredits another. It’s all a part of the “games” on planet Earth. But it doesn’t change the facts.

One of the most interesting revelations I discovered during my research indicates (and you can do the same research, if you care to) that Hubbard received his “inspiration”, from a “higher source”. Further, Hubbard traveled extensively after WW II ended. He was living in California in 1946 with Jack Parsons, who founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which later became NASA. Jack Parsons was also notable as the leading American proponent of the famous British mystic, Alistair Crawley, who was also a friend to Hubbard during 1947.

Apparently, Hubbard and Jack Parsons were also associated with dozens of government nuclear physicists who worked on the atomic bomb in New Mexico in 194, which is located only 100 miles away from Roswell. As a spiritualist, and well-known science fiction writer during the 30s and 40s, is it not unlikely that he would have sought out information about the UFO crash at Roswell in 1947? And, who else might have he been in communication with, on Earth, or elsewhere?

According to the Alien Interview transcripts, The Domain has been searching all over Earth for 3,000 members of their own personnel since 6,248 BCE. The IS-BEs who were members of that “lost battalion” have been inhabiting human bodies on Earth since that time. The Domain has been working actively to locate each of them, and help them to recover from amnesia so they can return to active duty with The Domain. Apparently, Matilda MacElroy was one of The Domain personnel. Therefore, what other persons could be members of The Domain, and indeed, The Domain search party?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The Top Secret interview transcripts of the interview at Roswell took place in July – August, 1947. Hubbard did not publish his premier book on the subject of Dianetics until May of 1950. Reportedly, he wrote the entire book in only 6 weeks! (3 weeks of planning, and 3 weeks of writing). Therefore, the publication of Dianetics was more than TWO YEARS AFTER the interview between the alien pilot and the Roswell nurse. How many other people may have read or obtained copies of the transcripts of those interviews during or after 1947?

It is not my mission to protect or defend the material in the transcripts. They speak for themselves. A PDF copy of the book available FREE OF CHARGE on the Internet to anyone who cares to read it, or not. You can also get a copy at www.alieninterview.org

Is the subject matter of the transcripts controversial? Does the material revealed in the transcripts step on the toes of a lot of government, religious and personal vested interests? Why would so many people be threatened, and even murdered, by governments to keep this material from the public eye since 1947? Why did Matilda keep the transcripts hidden for 60 years, until just before her death?

Are there answers contained in the transcripts of the book Alien Interview that make sense of a few of the mysteries of life on Earth that science and religion have not resolved? Personally, I think so. But, that doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to you. What's true for you is true for you.

Lawrence R. Spencer
Editor of Alien Interview

So he is still saying it real.. poor deluded person....

[truthseekerdan]

Lita can you provide a link... Thanks!

[Fredkc]

Lita can you provide a link... Thanks!

http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=35&id=6878&limit=10&limitstart=30&Itemid=147#7051

[Lita]

Thank you for adding the link.

[bashi]

"
To sell books that I made available for FREE on the internet?
A PDF copy of the book available FREE OF CHARGE on the Internet to anyone who cares to read it, or not"

where? link?

[truthseekerdan]

Thanks Fred,

I guess I'll stick with Dolores Cannon books instead...:wink:

¤=[Post Update]=¤


"
To sell books that I made available for FREE on the internet?
A PDF copy of the book available FREE OF CHARGE on the Internet to anyone who cares to read it, or not"

where? link?

It's free if you pay $5.00 to download it...

[Bill Ryan]

This below was posted by OzFactor at the Camelot forum when people were discussing the ebook..thought it may be of interest...


Re: Alien Interview
#7051 1 week, 2 days ago
BILL RYAN'S "HOAX" PRONOUNCEMENT ON THE BOOK ALIEN INTERVIEW

Apparently, Bill Ryan was a Scientologist who studied the subject very thoroughly. His proclamation that the book, Alien Interview, is a "hoax, seems to be based on the premise that he is an "authority" on the subject of Scientology. How did Mr. Bill come to know so much about Scientology? Further, how does this give Bill the authority to casually dismiss the entire content of the book that he claims is a "hoax"? For that matter, what is the vested interest of any self-appointed "authority"?

Personally, during the 1970s, I did some of the same courses in Scientology that were done by some "remote viewers", most notably, Ingo Swann. The subject was popular in the US during that decade. In his case, Ingo decided to collaborate with the CIA, who used the abilities gained from his study to assist them in covert military surveillance and other projects. However, neither myself or Ingo Swan has studied that subject in the "church" for many years.

My personal application of that material was invested, somewhat, in The Oz Factors book. I am quite sure, in retrospect, that Matilda MacElroy -- who read my book -- confided the military transcripts published in Alien Interview to me because of the content of my book, for the reasons stated in the letter I received from her, which I published in the book Alien Interview.

My research for the book, "The Oz Factors", in 1998 is what led me to the connection with Matilda MacElroy, who 10 years later, in 2008, mailed me the transcripts which I decided to publish in the form of the book, Alien Interview.

I don't care if Bill Ryan, or anyone else, believes or disbelieves whether or not I wrote the material published in the book, Alien Interview. In fact, as I have stated many times, I cannot prove the identity of the person who used the assumed identity of "Matilda MacElroy". However, as stated in the book, I received that material and published it exactly as described in the opening pages of the book.

As Bill points out, so authoritatively, why would I (or anyone) be stupid enough to write the material -- even if I were capable of such, which I am not -- and publish it as factual material? Moreover, what would be the point in it? Some sort of covert publicity stunt to promote a scientific or philosophic dogma? To sell books that I made available for FREE on the internet? In spite of what others may think, including self-appointed "authorities" on various subjects, the idiocy of such an undertaking would be too transparent for even the most gullible denizens of internet chat rooms.

In short, the actual authorship of the material contained in the letters and the transcripts as published in the book Alien Interview is subject to speculation. I certainly do not disagree with Bill Ryan that there a similarities between Hubbard and the material in the transcripts. However, the transcripts were recorded in July and August of 1947. The "similar material" that Hubbard published wasn't published until AFTER 1947. In fact, not until 1950 or later.

The book I published in 1999, The Oz Factors, discusses the subject of “vested interests”, and the adverse affect these have on problem solving and on the perception of truth. There are a large number of professional “UFO experts” who have a very big vested interest in promoting their own personal brand of “UFO Research”. There are a even greater number of priests of who claim to have a “exclusive monopoly” on spiritual wisdom.

Several of these self-appointed “authorities”, who earn their living by telling people what to think about the UFO phenomenon or about their own souls, have attacked the publication of Alien Interview. In fact, these people spend a great deal of time attacking each other and their conflicting ideas, and personal agendas. They do this for the same reason that politicians attack each other — their personal power and wealth depend on swaying public opinion toward their own brand of “truth”.

The facts of the matter are very, very simple: as far as I know, the transcripts of the interviews at the Roswell Army Air Force base took place in July and August of 1947. They were sent to me, with personal letters and notes, from a nurse who claims that she was stationed at Roswell, N.M. in 1947.

I have received e-mails from dozens of people around the world who have advised me that the transcripts published in the book contain ideas, words, phrases, or concepts that are “just like” their own religion (fill in the blank _________ ). I am sure that the “similarities” claimed to exist between the transcripts and other philosophies really do exist.

It is not difficult to point out similarities between information in the transcripts and nearly any spiritual philosophy or religion. The transcripts make it very clear that The Domain brought The Vedas to Earth about 10,000 years ago. Most scholars will observe that The Vedas are the source material for many spiritual philosophies, and many of the religions of Earth.

However, when drawing comparisons, one must look at which came first? The chicken or the egg?

When I received the transcripts from Matilda, I spent many months reviewing each detail of the material in an attempt to authenticate the efficacy of the transcripts and their content. I have continued to do this, as have many others, since the transcripts were published. It’s easy for a critic to flippantly “discredit” anything that threatens their vested interests. Just like any politician discredits another. It’s all a part of the “games” on planet Earth. But it doesn’t change the facts.

One of the most interesting revelations I discovered during my research indicates (and you can do the same research, if you care to) that Hubbard received his “inspiration”, from a “higher source”. Further, Hubbard traveled extensively after WW II ended. He was living in California in 1946 with Jack Parsons, who founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which later became NASA. Jack Parsons was also notable as the leading American proponent of the famous British mystic, Alistair Crawley, who was also a friend to Hubbard during 1947.

Apparently, Hubbard and Jack Parsons were also associated with dozens of government nuclear physicists who worked on the atomic bomb in New Mexico in 194, which is located only 100 miles away from Roswell. As a spiritualist, and well-known science fiction writer during the 30s and 40s, is it not unlikely that he would have sought out information about the UFO crash at Roswell in 1947? And, who else might have he been in communication with, on Earth, or elsewhere?

According to the Alien Interview transcripts, The Domain has been searching all over Earth for 3,000 members of their own personnel since 6,248 BCE. The IS-BEs who were members of that “lost battalion” have been inhabiting human bodies on Earth since that time. The Domain has been working actively to locate each of them, and help them to recover from amnesia so they can return to active duty with The Domain. Apparently, Matilda MacElroy was one of The Domain personnel. Therefore, what other persons could be members of The Domain, and indeed, The Domain search party?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The Top Secret interview transcripts of the interview at Roswell took place in July – August, 1947. Hubbard did not publish his premier book on the subject of Dianetics until May of 1950. Reportedly, he wrote the entire book in only 6 weeks! (3 weeks of planning, and 3 weeks of writing). Therefore, the publication of Dianetics was more than TWO YEARS AFTER the interview between the alien pilot and the Roswell nurse. How many other people may have read or obtained copies of the transcripts of those interviews during or after 1947?

It is not my mission to protect or defend the material in the transcripts. They speak for themselves. A PDF copy of the book available FREE OF CHARGE on the Internet to anyone who cares to read it, or not. You can also get a copy at www.alieninterview.org

Is the subject matter of the transcripts controversial? Does the material revealed in the transcripts step on the toes of a lot of government, religious and personal vested interests? Why would so many people be threatened, and even murdered, by governments to keep this material from the public eye since 1947? Why did Matilda keep the transcripts hidden for 60 years, until just before her death?

Are there answers contained in the transcripts of the book Alien Interview that make sense of a few of the mysteries of life on Earth that science and religion have not resolved? Personally, I think so. But, that doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to you. What's true for you is true for you.

Lawrence R. Spencer
Editor of Alien Interview

So he is still saying it's real.. poor deluded person....

Hi, Folks:

That's fascinating (and surprising!). It looks a little as if Lawrence Spencer has somewhat painted himself into a corner, and feels he has no dignified exit. I CAN understand that. He created a slippery slope, and started to slide down it simply because so many people thought his fictional account was actually a real story.

I have nothing against him personally - we've never met, corresponded or spoken - but this is absolutely 100% certainly an invention. This is a fact.

It would have been smarter for him to come clean and explain that it was a valuable allegorical tale - which it is. It simply should have been presented as a fictional tale.

He DID offer that disclaimer - but he very probably never anticipated that so many readers would assume it was real. A website and quite a number of radio interviews later, he was in a position where he could not easily reverse his stance. To err is human.

All the concepts in the book have merit. It's an intelligent work of fiction, with a purpose to make people think.

My objection, and the need to clearly state that these events never occurred, are because the book simply confuses an already heavily-confused ufological field. We all deserve better.

All I want in this subject is intellectual honesty: evidence is evidence, real testimony is real testimony, rumors are rumors, invention is invention, and allegory is allegory. We have to keep all these separate, or else we're all tangled up forever and the actual truth of real past events will never be known.

Please re-post this widely with my full permission.

All best wishes, Bill

[bashi]

It's free if you pay $5.00 to download it...

That tells us something, isn't it?
I remember reading "copies" of the "original" letters for free. I had bookmarked it, and when i came back, maybe a year later, it was not anymore available due to copyright issues.
so far for selfless, "free" intentions...

[truthseekerdan]

Hey Bill,

Are you familiar with the Thiaoouba Prophecy (http://www.galactic.no/rune/thaoeng.html) book? If yes, what's your take on it...

Thanks!

[Richard]

I remember reading "copies" of the "original" letters for free. I had bookmarked it, and when i came back, maybe a year later, it was not anymore available due to copyright issues.
so far for selfless, "free" intentions...

Here you go, enjoy.:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/44cosmic_wisdom/03PDF/Alien_Interview.pdf

[bashi]

thats GREAT, thanks
argument retracted

[Agape]

From page 12:
"Fortunately subjective reality does not require proof. Therefore I decided to write this book...."

Ok... had to come back, since I am a sucker for great poetic stuff, said simply.

From page 50:
For the sake of accuracy and simplicity I will use a made-up word: "IS-BE". Because the primary nature of an immortal being is that they live in a timeless state of "is", and the only reason for their existence is that they decide to "be".


The syllogism IS-BE sounds very much the same to me as BE-ING(S). It's not more mystical than that in my opinion..

Be-ing ( verb ) is prolonged state of existence. Being ( noun ) is an individual capable of cognizing he exists .

If those Be-ings recognized themselves only by definition of be-ing but not an identity they'd not be identifiable.


:panda:

[Harley]

He DID offer that disclaimer - but he very probably never anticipated that so many readers would assume it was real.

It's a bit reminiscent of the Orson Welles War of the Worlds radio broadcast (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wf5TPVz56A), only he let this one get away from him!

[Connecting with Sauce]

I recently came across this e-book and it rings true to me...

Called "Alien Interview"…

http://issuu.com/theresistance/docs/alien_interview?mode=embed&layout=http%3A//skin.issuu.com/v/color/layout.xml

[atman]

Although one might deeply resonate with some or much of the material that is "revealed" in the book, the narrative and the alleged interview are, unfortunately, a complete fabrication.

Lawrence R. Spencer, the Author (or Editor of the book, as he calls himself), timidly admits to this fact in his Disclaimer, when he writes that "for all practical purposes, the content of the book is a work of fiction."

He also writes: "Some material contained in the book may have similarities to Earth philosophies." Well, after having read the first seven chapters, last night, I dare say that the similarities may have crossed the territory of plagiarism. Paragraph after paragraph, page after page, a great amount of the concepts and ideas that are presented within come directly from the works of L. Ron Hubbard — not only his Scientology books and lectures, but also some of his later works of fiction.

From the very first pages of the book, there were so many signs leading to that conclusion, that I should have thought of using the search engine of the Forum (a great tool, I now realize), before investing any more time reading the book. I just did and found a very informative post by Bill Ryan, in which he affirms and demonstrates, with absolute certainty, that "Alien Interview", by Lawrence R. Spencer, is indeed a hoax.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7132-Alien-Interview-(Sorry-folks-this-is-a-hoax-BR)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6865-HOAX-Lawrence-Spencer-s-ALIEN-INTERVIEW

P.S.: Pointing out the disingenuousness of the author does not invalidate the spiritual concepts that rang true to you, dear original poster. There are some wonderful ideas in the book that deserve to be explored, discussed and, perhaps, even embraced... We are all sincere truth seekers, here, but I think you will agree that the road to Truth does not need to be paved with deliberate misdirections and lies.

[Bill Ryan]

-------

Guys, this is a hoax. (Sorry!)

As this was continually resurfacing, I posted a definitive statement here a few weeks ago:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6865-HOAX-Lawrence-Spencer-s-ALIEN-INTERVIEW

---------------------

‘ALIEN INTERVIEW’ by Lawrence Spencer



Unfortunately, this book is a hoax. This is definitive.

Lawrence Spencer is careful (presumably for legal reasons) to offer the written disclaimer that 'Alien Interview (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alieninterview/alieninterview.htm)'. should be regarded as a work of fiction, but it does the UFO community (and the Scientology community - see below) no favors when Spencer maintained on subsequent radio talk shows, some with sizable audiences, that the purported "interview" really happened. It did not.

Conveniently, the claimed source, "Matilda MacElroy" is "deceased" - and Spencer "destroyed all the original documentation". So we'll just have to take his word for it... and his word, publicly stated, is that he is portraying real events. Sadly, his word is not very honorable, and he is lying. I don't often deploy that unpleasant word, but here its use is accurate and fair.

Any Scientologist with any experience will instantly recognize the very large number of terms and concepts directly borrowed from (and sourced by) L. Ron Hubbard.

These are literally too numerous to list, starting right at the start with "doll bodies", "what's true is what's true for you", "If you were looking for Hell, the Earth would suffice", liberal use of the term "Space Opera", the concept that the Earth is a prison planet, and much, much, much else. Find any friendly Scientologist and they will be pleased and intrigued to go through the book line by line with you. There's a smoking gun on almost every page.

Spencer has maybe made an unfortunate judgment, and written an interesting work of fiction (and don't get me wrong here: many of the metaphysical concepts, formulated by Hubbard, may be valuable and have a great deal of truth to them) - but has then fallen into the trap of using his idea of journalistic license to portray the concepts in the framework of a "true story".

This does not help genuine UFO research one iota, and further confuses the complex Roswell issue - in which real, elderly witnesses, with great courage at the end of their lives, have come forward to tell their very real stories. Spencer discredits and dishonors these fine people by what he has done. This is my issue.

Almost as an afternote: there are many other problems with the book - many of which are already cited by other reviewers. Use of the terms "carbon dating", "computer", "database", "alien" (the Roswell survivor was called an EBE, or Extraterrestrial Biological Entity), MacElroy being a "Senior Master Sergeant" - and more - are all anachronisms: the words or terms did not exist in 1947, and show clearly that this is recent writing. The date stamp is also wrong: the author uses the English notation of 9.7.1947 for 9 July 1947... a little slip, written by Spencer, who although American is very familiar with England.

Lastly, consider what the alien's name ('AIRL') is an anagram of.

The final nail in the coffin is this e-mail, written by Spencer himself in 2000:

**********


From: Lawrence Spencer
Sent: 07 November 2000 02:12
To: Graham Hancock
Subject: Your victory

Dear Graham,

Congratulations to you and Robert on your victory regarding the BBC 
attack! Well Done! I commend you on your courage and persistence.

I am the author of "The Oz Factors" (I sent both yourself and Robert a 
copy of my book last spring), so I certainly do have some first hand 
knowledge how the mainstream academic vested interests operate to 
suppress the truth. My book discusses this subject as one of the 12 
"Oz Factors" which prevent our civilization from discovering answers 
to the mysteries of our existence.

I have been a Scientologist for 31 years. A good deal of my book is an 
application of the principles of L. Ron Hubbard as regards the fields 
of study into which you and Robert have so bravely advanced. Perhaps 
the material in my book will be of assistance to you at some point in 
your research.

Keep up the good fight!

Very Best Regards,
Lawrence R. Spencer
author of "The Oz Factors"**********

Read this book as the metaphysically fascinating work of fiction that it is. Spencer's post-publication behavior, however, elevates this "fiction" to the level of a dishonorable hoax, for which he should be ashamed. He could have handled this much, much better.

I'm a UFO researcher myself. If you want the truth, there are many other places to find it. And if Spencer wants to contact me, he can through Project Avalon or Project Camelot (bill@projectavalon.net).

I'd be interested to know privately what possessed him to go so far and to paint himself into such a corner, from which escape is now almost impossible without him continuing to deceive his readers.

Bill Ryan
PROJECT AVALON
PROJECT CAMELOT

[Jendayi]

thank you for bringing this to our attention....

[EC1000]

I didn't realize the author ws a scientologist, thats all i need to hear (no offense intended). Was an entertaining read though

[atman]

I didn't realize the author ws a scientologist, thats all i need to hear (no offense intended). Was an entertaining read though

It is perhaps a waste of time to write an additional comment in an inactive thread, especially after it was clearly established (in this thread and in two previous ones) that the book referred to in the original post is a hoax.

But even though my comment may be akin to preaching in the desert and may only be read by an overworked moderator ;) , I feel compelled to make it, if only as a matter of principle.

First, let me repeat a notion from the above quote: No offense intended. I truly mean it (like, I am sure, the poster above meant it).

While I am neither pro Scientology, nor anti Scientology, and while I know there is ample evidence on the Internet that contributes to create a very negative image of the subject, the official organization and/or some of the members, I find it nevertheless disconcerting, intellectually, to come across such an unreasonable blanket dismissal of an entire category of people, on a forum such as this one — “unreasonable”, because it clearly does not result from a personal study and understanding of the subject matter:


I didn't realize the author was a scientologist, thats all i need to hear (no offense intended).

The prejudice is more evident and more absurd, when we express it towards groups of people that we are more familiar with or closer to:


I didn't realize the author was a Buddhist, that's all I need to hear (no offense intended).

I didn't realize the lady was a channeler, that's all I need to hear (no offense intended).

I didn't realize the guy was a Avalon Forum member, that's all I need to hear (no offense intended).


Generalization can be useful in various fields of science, but it is a dangerous mechanism when it is flippantly applied in society, because:

it inevitably quells one's willingness to look beyond the “label”;
it reduces one's ability to recognize the similarities as well as the differences in others;
it gives one a false sense of understanding and thus furthers misunderstanding.


History, moreover, has shown time after time that sweeping negative generalizations, in the social fabric, always lead to intolerance, separation and conflict — all under the standard of stupid righteousness or righteous stupidity, a phenomenon so cruelly rampant in our current world.

We all have a right to our own opinions (no matter how wrong, how correct or how volatile they might be) and I truly appreciate the whole spectrum of personal viewpoints that are expressed with integrity and reason and respect on this forum. Truth be told, I particularly cherish those that challenge me a little bit and that help me to widen my own horizons and to grow...

* * *

It is my understanding that the flags of preconceived notions, of fixed ideas and of close-mindedness can only be waved with pride... in the streets of deliberate ignorance.

Fortunately, I have found no such streets on the maps of this beautiful forum.

There is so much to explore, so much to learn, so much to share!

Discernment is essential, but let us keep the doors of our minds and the windows of our hearts... wide open!

[EC1000]

hello atman-thanks for taking the time out of your day to calling me absurd and predjudice. perhaps i am a bit biased regarding scientology, due to material i have read linking L Ron Hubbard and the top level the Scientolgy "religion" to satanism-which is one thing i do not have an open mind to. not that i want to belabor a petty argument but I am very curious as to how you came to the determination that my view was "unreasonable because it doesn't result from personal study of the topic".

now, here's a real short lecture for you: you did the same thing to me that you accused me of doing to all scientologist.

[Gajanana]

If you want something more informative about E.T's may I suggest the Bodhgaya Event thread on this forum... it really is quite something. :nod:

[atman]

hello atman-thanks for taking the time out of your day to calling me absurd and predjudice. perhaps i am a bit biased regarding scientology, due to material i have read linking L Ron Hubbard and the top level the Scientolgy "religion" to satanism-which is one thing i do not have an open mind to. not that i want to belabor a petty argument but I am very curious as to how you came to the determination that my view was "unreasonable because it doesn't result from personal study of the topic".

now, here's a real short lecture for you: you did the same thing to me that you accused me of doing to all scientologist.

Hello EC1000.

Thank you for your response and for engaging into a dialogue with me.

As far as your "real short lecture" for me is concerned, I fail to see the similarity in what you accuse me of, but thanks for your honesty.

You do seem to have taken my perspective and my comments as a personal attack and I am truly sorry about that. I did write, like you did, "No offense intended", but I am willing to admit that some of my affirmations could have been construed as judgmental.



Just as a note, before we carry on: contrary to the many posters on this forum who express themselves with eloquence and with what appears to be a natural simplicity, I truly find the process of translating my thoughts into words arduous. I could try and justify myself by saying that English is not my native language, but I am sure that I would find it as difficult to write in French (my mother tongue). So please bear with me! And please realize that I am not your enemy, here!

To make it very clear, it is not YOU, the person, that I find absurd.

What I find absurd is the wall that you have built in your mind as a result of a prejudice.

The following definitions of the word prejudice are what I am referring to:



a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
b : an instance of such judgment or opinion
c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prejudice


***

I am not saying that you are a bad person. You are most likely a very good person.

I just find it unfortunate, as well as a little disturbing and unsatisfying, intellectually, that you are willing to dismiss, out of hand, anything and everything that is closely or remotely associated with a particular label ("scientologist"), when it is clear that your opinion does not derive from a personal observation, analysis and understanding of the subject.

Don't you see the incongruity and even the danger in that?


I am very curious as to how you came to the determination that my view was "unreasonable because it doesn't result from personal study of the topic"

By your own admission, simply, when you wrote that you "didn't realize that the author was a scientologist."

And as pointed out by Bill Ryan, in his message, above:


Any Scientologist with any experience will instantly recognize the very large number of terms and concepts directly borrowed from (and sourced by) L. Ron Hubbard.

In regards to the concern that you have expressed: it is true that Hubbard dabbled in the occult, as part of his research on the mind, the spirit and the human potential, but I can assure you that there is nothing, in all the materials and all the practices of Scientology, that has anything to do with "Satanism".

I am certain that all Scientologists, including those at the very top levels of the organization, would find the idea of worshiping a diabolic entity not only absurd, but also revolting.

Let me share a tiny bit of information on my personal background, to show you why I feel that I am in a position to present a valuable perspective on this matter:


I am myself an ex-Scientologist.

I was involved with the movement for 25 years, starting in 1975, and as a full-time staff member for the first ten years.

I was expelled from the official organization in 2000 after having spoken publicly against the current leader (David Miscavige - a very corrupt hat, IMHO).

I have never met L. Ron Hubbard (who died in January 1986), but I have worked very closely with many who have. I have also worked with two of his children. That was from 1978 to 1985, after I had joined the "Sea Org" and signed a billion-year contract, to "get Ethics in on this planet and the universe"...


You read that right, a billion-year contract!

Yes, my friend, I was an idealist...

And here I am today!


* * *

The world we live in is extremely complex. Information and misinformation abound. It is hard to make sense of any of it.

Nothing is perfectly white or perfectly black. There are many, many shades of gray.

I remember an old poem (unattributed) that L. Ron Hubbard once issued as a policy letter and that I would like, in conclusion, to share with you:


There is so much good in the worst of us
And so much bad in the best of us
That it ill behooves any of us
To talk about the rest of us.

[EC1000]

atman-that was a legnthy response! i'll reply tomorrow.
thanks

[Buchanan561]

I would like to say that I find this type of discussion very valuable and educational. When I say this I am thinking of all those silent readers that come to this forum just to learn. Their hungry eyes scan carefully what is being said and learn from that. I myself read carefully and learn from it. There are so many out there in these rapidly changing times who are hungry for new knowledge. And so many more who just don't know where to look for it. I can understand Eclooo feeling that he was misunderstood, and I can understand atman writing what he did. It was good to know what Atman shared and I thank him for what he wrote. Not because of how it might (and obviously did) cause Eclooo to feel slighted and somewhat miffed, but be cause it opened a door for atman to share a lot of information about his knowledge and experience regarding this subject matter, Scientology. I am sorry if either of them felt discomfort, but glad that that discomfort, or misunderstanding was shared here so that many others could learn from that information. (and situation)And I am again saying that because of all those silent readers who do not post. I was one for many years.

I have several of Ron Hubbard's books in my library and read them several years ago but I was never a member. But a friend of mine was and he was a clear. From reading it I realized that I was a clear and it was from birth, I did not have to learn it. It was natural to me. I was always at that point. I just put the books back on the shelf and reached for all my others.

I know that dissent is frowned upon here at Avalon 2, but I believe that dissent is healthy and the silent readers learn more from this than having everyone just rubber stamp everything that is posted. I thank Atman for his posts, and also for Eclooo for allowing his quick thought to be posted. I really like this thread and all that was written. I thank you both and expecially Atman for adding to many's knowledge and understanding on how to relate to others. Emma

[atman]

I would like to say that I find this type of discussion very valuable and educational. When I say this I am thinking of all those silent readers that come to this forum just to learn. Their hungry eyes scan carefully what is being said and learn from that. I myself read carefully and learn from it. (...)

I thank you for your kind appreciation and for the perspective that you have brought to this discussion, Emma.

To tell you the truth, I did not expect that anyone would continue to read this thread beyond Bill Ryan's post (#3).

And so, I wrote my original post to EC1000 (#6) primarily as a symbolic gesture — sort of a call to not allow our minds to become restricted by labels — while hoping at the same time that I was not going terribly off-topic or out of line by doing so!

In the end, I am happy to know that the ensuing dialogue has been of value to you and that it might also be helpful to others, including some of the current or future "silent readers".

[ArjunaArcana]

This interview reminds of the lacerta files.

[Eva2]

What about Gary Zeitlan's (sp?) War in Heaven material - wonder if there is any validity in that. I found this material disturbing.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III.htm#Additional_Information

[HORIZONS]

Here is another interview that is "alien" in its nature: (one of the definitions for alien is - "a hypothetical or fictional being from another world".
http://www.nohoax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27&catid=1&Itemid=35

[Steven]

Just as a note, before we carry on: contrary to the many posters on this forum who express themselves with eloquence and with what appears to be a natural simplicity, I truly find the process of translating my thoughts into words arduous. I could try and justify myself by saying that English is not my native language, but I am sure that I would find it as difficult to write in French (my mother tongue). So please bear with me! And please realize that I am not your enemy, here!

Hi Atman, my mother tongue is also french, sometimes struggling with the online dictionnary to find the 'good' wording. In all honesty, you are miles away ahead of me :)

Namaste, Steven

[EC1000]

hi atman-
thanks for taking the time to explain where you are coming from-you seem like a nice person. When I said you were doing the same thing to me that you accused me of doing to all Scientologist, i was was refering to the fact that you were making generalizations about my thought process based on the short comment i left. As far as opinions based on obvious lack of knowledge on the subject, while i have only read about half of the first Dianectics book about 20 years ago and thats it and from other sources can relate the concept of the Old Empire to Scientology beiliefs that i have heard about, i have read more about the Scientology orginization and L Ron that has been negative and has influenced my opinion. I am glad that your experiences with Scientology were, apparently, quite positive. I am sure it has been that way for others too.

I regret that my first comment didn't leave more reasoning behind it, "..thats all i need to hear because...". The statement was based on the negative things i have heard about the scientology orginization as I said, it was not at all a generalization based on predjeduce although I can see how it could be interpurted as such. I don't hold anything against ALL scientologist, just as i don't hold anything against all catholics even though there has been a lot of negative press regarding the conduct of some of their preist, and I could list a bunch of other examples but I'm sure you get my point.

again, sorry there wasn't more reasoning behind my first comment. lesson learned for next time.

[atman]

hi atman-
thanks for taking the time to explain where you are coming from-you seem like a nice person.

Birds of a feather, flock together. ;)


When I said you were doing the same thing to me that you accused me of doing to all Scientologist, i was was refering to the fact that you were making generalizations about my thought process based on the short comment i left.

The wording and the syntax of my original comments are perhaps to blame, here. But if you think a little bit more about it, I am pretty sure you will agree that to put all members of a very heterogeneous group of people into one basket is not the same as to point out the generalization that was made.

It would be presumptuous of me (and even stupid) to make a generalization about your thought process. All I was attempting to express was my surprise and my disappointment that one would close and lock a door in his mind, on the basis of a generic label ("scientologist", in this case).


As far as opinions based on obvious lack of knowledge on the subject, while i have only read about half of the first Dianectics book about 20 years ago and thats it and from other sources can relate the concept of the Old Empire to Scientology beiliefs that i have heard about, i have read more about the Scientology orginization and L Ron that has been negative and has influenced my opinion.

It is likely that I have read way more negative material than you have. But because of my own direct experiences, it was easier for me to verify the validity of the various sources of information (books, testimonies, etc.), than it was for you. So I had an advantage (that some might call a disadvantage, hehe).


I am glad that your experiences with Scientology were, apparently, quite positive. I am sure it has been that way for others too.

I had a wide range of experiences with Scientology, from highly positive to atrociously negative. It would be off-topic to expound the subject of my personal experiences here, so I will simply say this:


philosophy & technology = more positive than negative

Church of Scientology = more negative than positive


I regret that my first comment didn't leave more reasoning behind it, "..thats all i need to hear because...".

Of course, it would have been preferable, especially on a forum like this one, to share some of the reasoning behind your opinion. So if you want to accept some blame, let it be for having been a little... lazy. ;)


The statement was based on the negative things i have heard about the scientology orginization as I said, it was not at all a generalization based on predjeduce although I can see how it could be interpurted as such.

You know what? I would not be surprised if several of the negative things that you have heard were true or somewhat true. But shall a rotten tree define the forest?

Now, if I am not mistaken, the definition of the word prejudice that you are using implies some kind of ill-doing, some damage, some detriment to others. I agree with your objection, because there was nothing like that! The definition of prejudice that I was using is this one: an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge.

It was obvious to me that you were misinformed on the subject of Scientology, but I truly cannot blame you for that. It is a vast and complex subject.

But again, the point that I was trying to make does not have anything to do, in essence, with Scientology or with Scientologists.


I don't hold anything against ALL scientologist, just as i don't hold anything against all catholics even though there has been a lot of negative press regarding the conduct of some of their preist, and I could list a bunch of other examples but I'm sure you get my point.

Yes, I totally get your point and I agree with you. Thank you.


again, sorry there wasn't more reasoning behind my first comment. lesson learned for next time.

Indeed, lesson learned for next time.

Thanks for your input, EC1000.

[frozen alchemy]

Interesting. I just came across this book this past week. Fascinating reading. While I know nothing about Scientology, I believe it's possible that the information from this book was available to L. Ron Hubbard and perhaps was the genesis for at least some of his material. Perhaps he channeled it, talked to someone who was there, who knows...saying Scientology negates this material is like saying the King James Bible negates the other versions.

I did do a little research about the anachronistic objections, though. Computers have been around in one form or another since jacquard looms. The first working, fully programmable, fully automatic computer dates back to 1941 and the 'Enigma' was described as a computer then also. The word 'database' seems to stem from the 60s, but I think a case could be made that it was in use before that in military terms. The 'Senior Master Sargeant' designation did indeed not come into being until 1958 but the writer states that she was retired with a generous pension; perhaps she was referencing the increased pay grade that she could have been awarded later on. Carbon dating dates (heh) back to the 1940s from what I can discern. The use of British dating standards may be also military (what I have usually seen is 10 June 2012, but the other way is not impossible) and the writer's husband was a Brit...). I don't know what Bill is referring to up above about the acronym "AIRL", all I can think of is 'Alien In Real Life' or 'Artificial Intelligence Research Lab', one of the acronyms listed for this.

I've had some experiences in my own life that make this book ring very true for me. For now, I'll take it, as with everything, with a grain of salt, but it seems far more probably true, or based on truth, then the recent Drake, Ben Fulford, David Wilcock or even the Tolec information. Truly a stunning work of fiction if not. Here's a link to a few radio interviews with Lawrence Spencer, I find him quite believable and sincere in his discussions:
http://www.alieninterview.org/
I'd be very interested if anyone on this forum has ever had the chance to talk to Lawrence, especially since he was called a liar and hoaxer here.

[ernesto]

I have read the book, and I must say that I found it trustable. In my opinion a coincidence cannot be a proof of plagiarism. On the other side a coincidence could be the evidence that supports the authenticity of the message, since two or more sources supports each other.
I have read carefully all the many diferent posts on the AI book:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12625-Alien-Interview-we-are-spiritual-beings-of-amazing-power...-A-must-read...&p=113274&viewfull=1#post113274
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7132-Alien-Interview-%28Sorry-folks-this-is-a-hoax-BR
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6865-HOAX-Lawrence-Spencer-s-ALIEN-INTERVIEW&p=514619#post514619
But I couldn´t find any evidence supporting the hoax theory in all those texts.
Finnally let me correct one mistake in the first text of this thread:
The word EBE is not mentioned in the book, instead the neologism IS-BE was used, to describe the real nature of all beings.

Ernesto

[Camilo]

This is a promotional clip for a newly-released
book, available in many formats and languages,
purporting to be the transcripts of a series of
interviews of the surviving alien pilot of one
of the two flying saucers which crashed near
Roswell, New Mexico in July, 1947.

During the 6 weeks the female alien pilot was
held prisoner, interviews were conducted under
government supervision via by Army Air Force
Flight Nurse Matilda McElroy, at the Roswell
Army Air Field 509th Bomb Group in 1947.
Afterwards, the alien was executed by an
electric shock, administered by a government
doctor.

The interview transcripts were allegedly kept
secret, under threat of death by Nurse MacElroy
for 60 years. MacElroy released these a few
months before her passing, at the age of 83.

Among the novel details to emerge, in this clip:

- The Milky Way Galaxy has been invaded by
a civilization called "The Domain".

- In July, 1947, "The Domain" sent out a scout
craft from one of their space stations in the
Asteroid Belt to investigate the atomic bomb
explosions in their "territory".

- "The Domain" spacecraft was accidentally
struck by lightening and crashed in New Mexico
and the pilot was captured.

- The alien pilot was unwilling to reveal the
location of her home planet. Moreover, her star
did not yet "exist on any star map on Earth," as
it was too far away.

- The wreckage was initially sent to Fort Worth,
Texas, where Brigadier General Roger Ramey
was ordered to cover-up the incident with a
"weather balloon" story. The debris was then
shipped by air to Army Air Force research facility
at Wright Field in Ohio.

- Nurse MacElroy was interrogated on a lie
detector to verify the truth of the interview
transcripts.

- President Harry Truman issued a memo to
Secretary of Defense James Forrestal stating,
"...hereafter, this matter shall only be referred
to as operation Majestic 12 [and]...the ultimate
disposition of this matter should rest solely with
the office of the President." The entire incident
has been classified as Top Secret ever since.

http://youtu.be/tXQ-c22Ox7g

Video (almost 4 mins):

[778 neighbour of some guy]

You can also find a complete transcript in the Bibliotheca Pleiades, many other things of interest there too, check it out.

[Maunagarjana]

It's an interesting piece of fiction.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6865-HOAX-Lawrence-Spencer-s-ALIEN-INTERVIEW

[Lifebringer]

Geee...now I don't know if I want to waste my brain cells reading the book. Was L. Ron Hubbard part of a cult or something, or just a new way of viewing the science and spiritual or paranormal avenues of truth. I don't know as, I've never read any of his books, since the first debunking of his beliefs. I really don't like just taking someone's word for it, but it may be wise to practice this, as it will be by Universal Creator's way from here on out. A way of truth, revealing of the hidden technology and rebuilding of man's soul by shedding the misconceptions, spread throughout the world by the controllers of the millenia.

I downloaded it in my favorites for future reading, and clicked it to the desktop with other points of view, disguised as fiction. I say the last because the book I am finishing called "Season of the Witnesses" was told to me to write. ( I guess by a higher self) I've had a history of premonitions and visions and trance. NO, I'm not a channeler, and wouldn't know how, nor have an interest in it. I just get quiet and ask and wait. But my book, I destinctly remember came at a very busy time in my life. One of activism and heavy truth links during 2004 election. It took me awhile, but after Bush won a second time, I said, what the heck, and started it. It's three parts of visionary dictation and deep questioning of how to put it to paper for understanding.

If that is how they got their art or motivation, then i won't knock it, because every artist, be it music, math, art, writing, or anything that pleases the soul, some message must come out sometimes by the creator, if you are good at talking to people through your trade. I mean, what about Stephen King. He certainly had his art that told a certain message.
J.K. Rowling the intent of good vs evil with good magic and bad intent. It opened the small minded thinking to be adventurous and imagine a whole different world consisting of those who were not like ourselves.

Perhaps my curiosity will spur me to read it, but there are at least 4 others, that I know I want to read first.
Thanks for the heads up Bill.

[shadowstalker]

Published on Feb 12, 2013
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S y n o p s i s

From Lawrence R. Spencer, editor of 'ALIEN INTERVIEW': The content of this interview and book is the letter, official Top Secret U.S. Army Air Force interview transcripts and personal notes I received from the late Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy. Her letter to me asserts that this material is based on a series of interviews she conducted with an extraterrestrial being as part of her official duty as a nurse in the U.S. Army Air Force. The extraterrestrial she interviewed identitied itself as an officer, pilot and engineer of The Domain Expeditionary Force, a race of beings who have been using the asteroid belt in our solar system as a intergalactic base of operations for the past 10,000 years. Her dying request was that the transcripts finally be released to the world. In a letter received with the transcripts, Mrs. MacElroy says: "Mankind needs to know the answers to questions which are contained in these documents: Who are we? Where did we come from? What is our purpose on Earth? If there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe why have they not contacted us? It is vital that people understand the devastating consequences to our physical and spiritual survival if we fail to take effective action to undo the long-standing and pervasive effects of alien intervention on Earth."

1 hr. 16 min.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twm8YgC3dJU

How much is truly a hoax and how much isn't?

[muthink]

The book has countless problems - too many to list. Its a joke! I heard the same story personally from the former "fleet admiral" of Scientology. So that book is a knock-off from Scientology. Did L. Ron Hubbard channel the truth? Mabye he was onto a part of it, but a lot of the ideas are just bad B-Move plot stories, like his books.

There is a reality to the UFO field. I have had a CE3 and held a conversation with the being. But the story I got was different than this one and this being had nothing to gain from deceiving me.

We are in a prison of sorts, but its a self-imposed one. We are super-powerful beings, of that I have no doubt. And because of that power, we are using it to keep ourselves in this limited state. Right now, we are getting help from all over over the universe. But we are our own worst enemies. There are a lot of alien beings down here right now, walking around in human form and most of them don't know it. They are helping trying to get human beings out of this destructive cycle they have been in. They are working exhaustively to help us.

So many believe the ETs motives are sinister, but the sinister is within us. We are holding ourselves back. They don't want this "hunk of junk" called planet Earth. This physical reality, by the way, is not the principal reality. This is more like the "bottom of the barrel" to reality. It is a trap. The beings are trying to help us wake up to the flaws inherent in the physical reality. If we can reject it, we can get out. But getting super powerful beings (us) to reject it is proving to be very very difficult.

[CD7]

We are in a prison of sorts, but its a self-imposed one. We are super-powerful beings, of that I have no doubt. And because of that power, we are using it to keep ourselves in this limited state. Right now, we are getting help from all over over the universe. But we are our own worst enemies. There are a lot of alien beings down here right now, walking around in human form and most of them don't know it. They are helping trying to get human beings out of this destructive cycle they have been in. They are working exhaustively to help us.

So many believe the ETs motives are sinister, but the sinister is within us. We are holding ourselves back. They don't want this "hunk of junk" called planet Earth. This physical reality, by the way, is not the principal reality. This is more like the "bottom of the barrel" to reality. It is a trap. The beings are trying to help us wake up to the flaws inherent in the physical reality. If we can reject it, we can get out. But getting super powerful beings (us) to reject it is proving to be very very difficult.

I don't know what being you talked to and I have not had any encounters--tht I remember!

But what you say here has been more along the lines of what it seems like to me. (Not saying there is no existence of such alien threats)Yet in the same vein we (humans) love ghost stories and some ghost stories wield a wind of their own and somehow seem to bite us in the arse psychologically.

I too think it seems that we are mirroring our own emotions... that's why at times when I read or hear alien phenomena it would remind me of a soap opera and very similar to the way we humans live/behave. WHY would aliens BEHAVE as we do? Are they that close to us? I mean does a cat behave like an ant?

But im sure anyone with experience can chime in and express a different thought about this...

Ive seen powerful enormous beings in visions that are in no comparison to ANY god, angel, superhero, gin, jesus, Buddha..any diety weve been conditioned to think in our heads

Now because ive seen this in visions, does it make it a reality? we shall see...I surely would like to think so. Any of us would

[muthink]

"I too think it seems that we are mirroring our own emotions... "

Exactly right! The ET's technology is millions of years more advanced than ours. In fact, most of them reside primarily in a higher dimension, which is much less flawed than this physical one. The ETs are a mission to lift us out of our cyclical thought processes (some call this karma.) Who can argue this point, I just made? Its obvious they should be much more advanced than us and difficult to understand. And they are.

One quaint human concept is this antiquated idea of war. They don't have any kind of war that represents what we think of as war. But you hear a lot of these channellers or contactees talking about war. From my contact, this is not a part of their reality. Its something we are projecting on them. We are seeing something that is not there or we are being made to work that out.

Essentially, what is going on with the abductions, is that they take people and run them through various scenarios using a special device, which is like a 3D+ movie projector. Most of the scenarios are not good. Why? Its because that being knows what issues that particular person has to deal with. Instead of the abductee having to enact that in real life, he or she is able to enact it and not have a memory about it. What this does, is that it makes the human subconsciously reject a lower reality to which it had an attachment. Sometimes that attachment was even unknown to that person.

Most abductees are shown two realities, one horrible and one wonderful. The horrible reality is where that abductee was headed if they did not reject their past or the past of their heritage or their past life. The wonderful reality which is shown to them, represents a possible future that they never thought possible. It usually shows a peaceful planet, where ETs are interacting with people. These beings want to get us to that point, because they know once ETs are interacting openly with us, we can truly begin to advance. We are currently in a difficult position, as a race. We must get over this "hump." We stand at the point of self-destruction at the moment. (I should note, ultimately speaking however, we are non-corporeal beings.)

The problem with super powerful spiritual beings like ourselves, is that we can only imagine very limited realities because we have been caught so long on this Earth. We got to where we are through a series of many limited choices over a long period of time. At the time we made those decisions, it seemed like a good idea. We are evolving. To evolve, simply means to make a choice to move in an improving direction. We need a lot of help to move in that direction.

What people don't get is how powerful we are. There are not less and more powerful beings. We are all the same. That idea that there are different hierarchies comes from religion and was created to control people. The only difference between people is the degree of faith AND more importantly, the ability to imagine a better reality. People ask then, how can so many powerful beings exist? Won't there be war? Well, that's the funny thing. The more powerful you become, the more intuitive you become and the more harmonious you become.

People who are skeptical of their own power, are actually dictating their own defeat. I repeat, we are super powerful beings. That's why there is all this weirdness. But this weirdness is actually coming from our own minds and the fact that we can't let go of our past and embrace a better future.

I realize some people who read my words, won't or can't believe it or think that its "crazy talk." And that's OK. You're just not ready to believe in yourself. But for those who are ready, there is a better reality that this current world awaiting them. And I would say, its also individual: some are going to different planets and some to higher planes.

That's what I got both from direct experience aboard the craft with the being, 22 years to reflect on what happened and through deep meditations. For those skeptics out there, my CE3 was actually witnessed by a neighbor, who saw the same being through her window from less than 30 feet away as it went into my room to pick me up. So, no, none of this is hallucinated.

[ThoughtPulse]

I have stumbled across an interesting video in my research. it tells of the famous roswell crash. apparently there was a surviving alien body in the craft. this being was subject to many an interview. a lot of what this video tells seems to ring true with me but there are a lot of questions that arise. if someone would like to view these videos and share their wisdom that would be appreciated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWIr4Z6YMK8&list=PLD2B86237E0454AC1

[ghostrider]

there are some that suggest that being is us from the future , 45 or 52.000 years from now ... spooky guess what else happened in 1947 ...some alphabet agency was born ... when interrogated the android stated they were investigating why the clouds were burning ...

[ThoughtPulse]

strange. are they considered benevolant or melevolent?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

was the android from the ship?

[Frederick Jackson]

Alien appears to be a "gray". In light of all the abduction reports with grays, it is curious the entity claims it is not interested in direct contact. But fits with conjectures that the grays are androids of some sort. And that it does not need a survival suit to breath here etc.

[ThoughtPulse]

many types of greys. a kind grey race is a possability. this being goes on to describe that empathy or apathy are often from the soul rather than the body.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

also with regards to being able to breath here. it explains that it is not an organic being but a highly advanced spiritual vehicle.

[waves]

Many people don't like that Mr. Spencer said he destroyed the papers he got from nurse Matilda that comprised the supposedly true contents of the book 'Alien Interview', and that he was a science fiction writer prior to (and after?) this non-fiction, like it was just a publicity stunt. He's always stuck to his story in interviews. Maybe it's that I'm really unfamiliar with how good or plausible science fiction can be, but I've always remembered some concepts presented in this book that were very intriguing and seemed to explain a lot no one else was saying. Like why numerous civilizations seem to have appeared out of nowhere so organized and knowing how to do so much and why they just as suddenly disappeared. At the least, it's a clumsily compiled interesting read.

[ThoughtPulse]

to much rings true for this to be a complete work of fiction. that is simply my opinion.

[UpToLight]

there are some that suggest that being is us from the future , 45 or 52.000 years from now ... spooky guess what else happened in 1947 ...some alphabet agency was born ... when interrogated the android stated they were investigating why the clouds were burning ...

I would be thankful if you/someone gave me a link about this. It looks interesting! Thanks!

[Bill Ryan]

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Merged with an existing thread on the same subject.

For new visitors, this is a definitive hoax: please see my post #25 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7132-Alien-Interview--Sorry-folks-this-is-a-hoax-BR-&p=113274&viewfull=1#post113274) here.

[ThoughtPulse]

fact is fiction in a world such as this. i take everything i hear, read and see with a grain of salt. that includes this book and that includes your explanations. interesting to say the least. are there any writings that are not conidered 'hoax' that perhaps delve into similar detail?

[Bill Ryan]

are there any writings that are not conidered 'hoax' that perhaps delve into similar detail?

A good place to start could be anything written by either Timothy Good or Richard Dolan.

[chocolate]

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/9235646/Earth__An_Alien_Enterprise_(2013)_Timothy_Good_[mobi_epub_azw3]_

http://rediceradio.net/radio/2013/RIR-131007-timothygood-hr1.mp3

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[chocolate]

there are some that suggest that being is us from the future , 45 or 52.000 years from now ... spooky guess what else happened in 1947 ...some alphabet agency was born ... when interrogated the android stated they were investigating why the clouds were burning ...

I would be thankful if you/someone gave me a link about this. It looks interesting! Thanks!

I guess you might find this whole forum a good place to start. Sorry cannot be more helpful, don't really know what you are looking for 'exactly' to be able to give that link that will be best.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?38-Ufology-Extraterrestrial-Contact
and probably
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?37-Conspiracy-Research

[ghostrider]

me thinks there was no roswell crash , I think it was shot down , by the navy , with an experimental pulse/radar weapon ... when they discovered that radar could be used as a weapon , there was all sorts of so-called UFO crashes ... interesting I've said it before , ET can fly lightyears to earth and then tootle around our little planet and have a fender bender , I think not ... they run into our military and get blasted , we earthlings are mostly barbarians ...

[UpToLight]

there are some that suggest that being is us from the future , 45 or 52.000 years from now ... spooky guess what else happened in 1947 ...some alphabet agency was born ... when interrogated the android stated they were investigating why the clouds were burning ...

I would be thankful if you/someone gave me a link about this. It looks interesting! Thanks!

I guess you might find this whole forum a good place to start. Sorry cannot be more helpful, don't really know what you are looking for 'exactly' to be able to give that link that will be best.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?38-Ufology-Extraterrestrial-Contact
and probably
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?37-Conspiracy-Research

Thank! But I was looking for information about that alien being one of us from future.

[Bill Ryan]

there are some that suggest that being is us from the future , 45 or 52.000 years from now ... spooky guess what else happened in 1947 ...some alphabet agency was born ... when interrogated the android stated they were investigating why the clouds were burning ...

I would be thankful if you/someone gave me a link about this. It looks interesting! Thanks!

I guess you might find this whole forum a good place to start. Sorry cannot be more helpful, don't really know what you are looking for 'exactly' to be able to give that link that will be best.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?38-Ufology-Extraterrestrial-Contact
and probably
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?37-Conspiracy-Research

Thanks! But I was looking for information about that alien being one of us from future.

This is the Dan Burisch story -- which I certainly believe has some truth to it:

http://projectcamelot.org/dan_burisch.html

[TrumanCash]

Thanks for your posts on this subject, Bill.

I first heard this guy on Jeff Rense internet radio and Lawrence Spencer's Scientologese stuck out like a sore thumb. When I read the book I was appalled. My first thought was why would a Scientologist blatantly perpetrate such a huge fraud on a subject that is already rife with disinformation and when it's very existence is perennially denied by "the government"? Of course, just because someone is a Scientologist doesn't mean that he or she is honest--leader David Miscavige being a prime example of that--but could this be a government disinfo op to discredit both UFOs and Scientology?

This Is-be doesn't know the answer to that, but it's always a good idea to exercise one's conspiracy theory muscles once in a while.

TLC



This below was posted by OzFactor at the Camelot forum when people were discussing the ebook..thought it may be of interest...


Re: Alien Interview
#7051 1 week, 2 days ago
BILL RYAN'S "HOAX" PRONOUNCEMENT ON THE BOOK ALIEN INTERVIEW

Apparently, Bill Ryan was a Scientologist who studied the subject very thoroughly. His proclamation that the book, Alien Interview, is a "hoax, seems to be based on the premise that he is an "authority" on the subject of Scientology. How did Mr. Bill come to know so much about Scientology? Further, how does this give Bill the authority to casually dismiss the entire content of the book that he claims is a "hoax"? For that matter, what is the vested interest of any self-appointed "authority"?

Personally, during the 1970s, I did some of the same courses in Scientology that were done by some "remote viewers", most notably, Ingo Swann. The subject was popular in the US during that decade. In his case, Ingo decided to collaborate with the CIA, who used the abilities gained from his study to assist them in covert military surveillance and other projects. However, neither myself or Ingo Swan has studied that subject in the "church" for many years.

My personal application of that material was invested, somewhat, in The Oz Factors book. I am quite sure, in retrospect, that Matilda MacElroy -- who read my book -- confided the military transcripts published in Alien Interview to me because of the content of my book, for the reasons stated in the letter I received from her, which I published in the book Alien Interview.

My research for the book, "The Oz Factors", in 1998 is what led me to the connection with Matilda MacElroy, who 10 years later, in 2008, mailed me the transcripts which I decided to publish in the form of the book, Alien Interview.

I don't care if Bill Ryan, or anyone else, believes or disbelieves whether or not I wrote the material published in the book, Alien Interview. In fact, as I have stated many times, I cannot prove the identity of the person who used the assumed identity of "Matilda MacElroy". However, as stated in the book, I received that material and published it exactly as described in the opening pages of the book.

As Bill points out, so authoritatively, why would I (or anyone) be stupid enough to write the material -- even if I were capable of such, which I am not -- and publish it as factual material? Moreover, what would be the point in it? Some sort of covert publicity stunt to promote a scientific or philosophic dogma? To sell books that I made available for FREE on the internet? In spite of what others may think, including self-appointed "authorities" on various subjects, the idiocy of such an undertaking would be too transparent for even the most gullible denizens of internet chat rooms.

In short, the actual authorship of the material contained in the letters and the transcripts as published in the book Alien Interview is subject to speculation. I certainly do not disagree with Bill Ryan that there a similarities between Hubbard and the material in the transcripts. However, the transcripts were recorded in July and August of 1947. The "similar material" that Hubbard published wasn't published until AFTER 1947. In fact, not until 1950 or later.

The book I published in 1999, The Oz Factors, discusses the subject of “vested interests”, and the adverse affect these have on problem solving and on the perception of truth. There are a large number of professional “UFO experts” who have a very big vested interest in promoting their own personal brand of “UFO Research”. There are a even greater number of priests of who claim to have a “exclusive monopoly” on spiritual wisdom.

Several of these self-appointed “authorities”, who earn their living by telling people what to think about the UFO phenomenon or about their own souls, have attacked the publication of Alien Interview. In fact, these people spend a great deal of time attacking each other and their conflicting ideas, and personal agendas. They do this for the same reason that politicians attack each other — their personal power and wealth depend on swaying public opinion toward their own brand of “truth”.

The facts of the matter are very, very simple: as far as I know, the transcripts of the interviews at the Roswell Army Air Force base took place in July and August of 1947. They were sent to me, with personal letters and notes, from a nurse who claims that she was stationed at Roswell, N.M. in 1947.

I have received e-mails from dozens of people around the world who have advised me that the transcripts published in the book contain ideas, words, phrases, or concepts that are “just like” their own religion (fill in the blank _________ ). I am sure that the “similarities” claimed to exist between the transcripts and other philosophies really do exist.

It is not difficult to point out similarities between information in the transcripts and nearly any spiritual philosophy or religion. The transcripts make it very clear that The Domain brought The Vedas to Earth about 10,000 years ago. Most scholars will observe that The Vedas are the source material for many spiritual philosophies, and many of the religions of Earth.

However, when drawing comparisons, one must look at which came first? The chicken or the egg?

When I received the transcripts from Matilda, I spent many months reviewing each detail of the material in an attempt to authenticate the efficacy of the transcripts and their content. I have continued to do this, as have many others, since the transcripts were published. It’s easy for a critic to flippantly “discredit” anything that threatens their vested interests. Just like any politician discredits another. It’s all a part of the “games” on planet Earth. But it doesn’t change the facts.

One of the most interesting revelations I discovered during my research indicates (and you can do the same research, if you care to) that Hubbard received his “inspiration”, from a “higher source”. Further, Hubbard traveled extensively after WW II ended. He was living in California in 1946 with Jack Parsons, who founded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which later became NASA. Jack Parsons was also notable as the leading American proponent of the famous British mystic, Alistair Crawley, who was also a friend to Hubbard during 1947.

Apparently, Hubbard and Jack Parsons were also associated with dozens of government nuclear physicists who worked on the atomic bomb in New Mexico in 194, which is located only 100 miles away from Roswell. As a spiritualist, and well-known science fiction writer during the 30s and 40s, is it not unlikely that he would have sought out information about the UFO crash at Roswell in 1947? And, who else might have he been in communication with, on Earth, or elsewhere?

According to the Alien Interview transcripts, The Domain has been searching all over Earth for 3,000 members of their own personnel since 6,248 BCE. The IS-BEs who were members of that “lost battalion” have been inhabiting human bodies on Earth since that time. The Domain has been working actively to locate each of them, and help them to recover from amnesia so they can return to active duty with The Domain. Apparently, Matilda MacElroy was one of The Domain personnel. Therefore, what other persons could be members of The Domain, and indeed, The Domain search party?

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The Top Secret interview transcripts of the interview at Roswell took place in July – August, 1947. Hubbard did not publish his premier book on the subject of Dianetics until May of 1950. Reportedly, he wrote the entire book in only 6 weeks! (3 weeks of planning, and 3 weeks of writing). Therefore, the publication of Dianetics was more than TWO YEARS AFTER the interview between the alien pilot and the Roswell nurse. How many other people may have read or obtained copies of the transcripts of those interviews during or after 1947?

It is not my mission to protect or defend the material in the transcripts. They speak for themselves. A PDF copy of the book available FREE OF CHARGE on the Internet to anyone who cares to read it, or not. You can also get a copy at www.alieninterview.org

Is the subject matter of the transcripts controversial? Does the material revealed in the transcripts step on the toes of a lot of government, religious and personal vested interests? Why would so many people be threatened, and even murdered, by governments to keep this material from the public eye since 1947? Why did Matilda keep the transcripts hidden for 60 years, until just before her death?

Are there answers contained in the transcripts of the book Alien Interview that make sense of a few of the mysteries of life on Earth that science and religion have not resolved? Personally, I think so. But, that doesn't matter to me and it shouldn't matter to you. What's true for you is true for you.

Lawrence R. Spencer
Editor of Alien Interview

So he is still saying it's real.. poor deluded person....

Hi, Folks:

That's fascinating (and surprising!). It looks a little as if Lawrence Spencer has somewhat painted himself into a corner, and feels he has no dignified exit. I CAN understand that. He created a slippery slope, and started to slide down it simply because so many people thought his fictional account was actually a real story.

I have nothing against him personally - we've never met, corresponded or spoken - but this is absolutely 100% certainly an invention. This is a fact.

It would have been smarter for him to come clean and explain that it was a valuable allegorical tale - which it is. It simply should have been presented as a fictional tale.

He DID offer that disclaimer - but he very probably never anticipated that so many readers would assume it was real. A website and quite a number of radio interviews later, he was in a position where he could not easily reverse his stance. To err is human.

All the concepts in the book have merit. It's an intelligent work of fiction, with a purpose to make people think.

My objection, and the need to clearly state that these events never occurred, are because the book simply confuses an already heavily-confused ufological field. We all deserve better.

All I want in this subject is intellectual honesty: evidence is evidence, real testimony is real testimony, rumors are rumors, invention is invention, and allegory is allegory. We have to keep all these separate, or else we're all tangled up forever and the actual truth of real past events will never be known.

Please re-post this widely with my full permission.

All best wishes, Bill

[chocolate]

I just read more carefully the post above.

Some people (Lawrence R. Spencer in particular here) take [for some reason of their own] everything that comes their way/mind way too seriously and as a matter-of-fact-ly, and miss the whole point.

Everyone 'believes' in so many things...
But, yes, exercise is good.

I will exercise listening to Dan Burisch in the next couple of hours.

:)

edit: coming back from the interview.
Bill, I knew a few facts [ some regarding a possible stargate in my country, man made or not], but I thought this was our wishful thinking ?!

Although I have the sense I am listening to this for the first time, I was thinking what Dan Burisch actually later on said verbally as if I was RV-ing his later words...
[and here one assumed not much can surprise him any longer. good!]

Thank you!

[mh842]

I just read the book. Though i am interested in what it had to say that all the secrets are within our self all ready. I am not sure what to think in the big picture of the book.

I have been on a journey of discovery for years now. I believe is old souls which i think i am one. I am working on my higher self. I just seem to be in a rut of miss direction and feel like i have not advance much in the past year towards understanding of the big picture. Thought my love of my fellow man and for all things have increased to the point that i am Happy almost all the the time and feel a peace with myself. I am always looking.

Anyone's thought and guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers







From Bill:
Threads merged — this is a hoax, I'm afraid. Please see post #1. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6865-HOAX-Lawrence-Spencer-s-ALIEN-INTERVIEW)

[ghostrider]

The writings of Mr. Spencer read like a book written after reading Col Corso's book The Day After Roswell ...

[Mutchie]

I am NOT surprised in the slightest that A LOT OF PEOPLE believed this story !!! Hoax or NOT i remember when i first read the story it set my mind ablaze with the possibility that IT MAY OF BEEN REAL and it seemed BELIEVABLE that we humans may live endless lives forever reincarnating and always starting from scratch "our minds wiped" it made me think if it were true its no wander we would never be told the truth !!! it was one hell of story alright;)

[Brian O'Brit]

Bill, good to meet you. I know its been some 5 years since you posted about Lawrence Spencer's book being a work of fiction. The book was referred to me recently and I was instantly persuaded. But left me feeling quite devastated and depressed in my spirit, to think that planet Earth is a penal colony perhaps forever, and not just under dark extra-terrestrials but dark spirits, to boot.

I then went online thinking "If it is true then this story must be taking the UFO research teams by storm". And, judging by how much interest there is in the book and how it is doing its rounds on YouTube, it has.

Well, when I saw your post, you can imagine how relieved I was. (I was, however, disappointed when I shared it with a friend who had referred the book to me, when I shared your statement with her but she indicated that she is still not persuaded it is a hoax. She is not alone but then that's their problem, of cpurse).

I really do hopethe book is a hoax. I guess I am so shocked by this book that I am feeling a need for a lot more reassurance that it is, indeed, merely a work of fiction. LOL

But, what a despicable thing for the author to do, to pretend it is true if it is not.
And if true. what gross irresponsibility to destroy the original papers! I must say I was stunned and for a time, made suspicious by that confession.

Bill, I am wondering whether you ever carried out a personal in-depth review of the book (or whether you know if one exists) outlining definitely your reasons for rejecting it and whether you would kindly share that with me or link me to it -- and anything similar by another or other's who feels the same as you?

If not, are there anything else that has occurred to you since you first made this post and which you feel is equally compelling evidence to reject it?

Thank you.

PS And thanks for adding me here. I am looking forward to informing myself of the material shared and participating.

Brian

[True seeker]

Bill, be careful to not place yourself in the same corner. If Spencer came up with it himself or with help of Hubbard, is not relative. This is the way the information pass through. There are many other sources that correspond and confirm lots of info in the Alien interview. Seek and find...people like convention science proof http://thespiritscience.net/2015/07/17/we-never-really-die-the-science-behind-eternal-consciousness/
Basically keep your mind open and keep expanding your awareness.
Even if it is a fictional tale, where the inspiration came from? Endless imagination...it is a way of Spenser exercise his Free will. And it is your way to exercise your Free will by questioning. Let it be. It is dangerous slope that leads to dictatorship,which starts " with my full permission " phrase.....
Peace to everyone. Unite instead of separate. Accept others and they true for whom they are and let it be. The lessons that we should be learn by now is we are helpless by individuality, but we are endlessly powered by union.

[Karpos]

Dude Serpo was hoax too. Just like Montauk and most 'stories' of underground alien bases. People make these stories up and sell it like reality because they can't write better fiction. This is the way religions start, which is the case with ufo religions in or era. People, we, are crazy. Some a little, some a lot.

[True seeker]

Dude Serpo was hoax too. Just like Montauk and most 'stories' of underground alien bases. People make these stories up and sell it like reality because they can't write better fiction. This is the way religions start, which is the case with ufo religions in or era. People, we, are crazy. Some a little, some a lot.

It is site for "crazy" at any stage, and it is contagious! Run Karpos, run...

[Bill Ryan]

Even if it is a fictional tale, where the inspiration came from?

Yes it's inspirational, truly. (And if you read it, it is.) But that's how it should have been categorized... not passed off as a 'true story'.

We've had a lot of those recently, and anything but the truth is just more damage to a trusting, information-hungry community that's been played with and deceived for way too long... and that's at the hands of the intelligence agencies and government.

We shouldn't also be deceived by one of our own. That's the important thing here.

[Jay Freeman]

Yes, I read it, and it struck me as not being true. In looking into it briefly (either before I started reading it or shortly thereafter), I also came across an article that talked about L. Ron Hubbard phrases such as "doll bodies" etc. I also noticed that the author conveniently "destroyed" the supposed original documents (why would anyone do that?), and that he seemed to not want to be pinned down as saying it was either true or not true. So, while it was fun to read, I read it as a work of fiction.

[Bill Ryan]

Yes, I read it, and it struck me as not being true. In looking into it briefly (either before I started reading it or shortly thereafter), I also came across an article that talked about L. Ron Hubbard phrases such as "doll bodies" etc. I also noticed that the author conveniently "destroyed" the supposed original documents (why would anyone do that?), and that he seemed to not want to be pinned down as saying it was either true or not true. So, while it was fun to read, I read it as a work of fiction.

Exactly — Lawrence Spencer was a scientologist (a long time ago). He painted himself into a corner with a nice allegorical story, said it was true, and then couldn't find a way to back out.

[DNA]

I will state for the record this one scared me pretty bad as being true.
I had felt there was quite a bit that pinged on so many levels.
I'm relieved it is not true, but there certainly seemed to be quite a bit of truth in it.

[Lefty Dave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFk8qKO-Z50


Greetings
I found this fascinating...an interview with the IS-BE , the entity from the Roswell crash...what do you all think of this? It's 4 hours...so settle in and be prepared to be startled !!

[norman]

Some believe it's true but I think the general consensus is that it's fiction. I read about half way throught it once, which is a lot for me, and thought it was a terrific yarn.

I think Bill once posted here that the author even admitted it was a 'hoax'.

[Bill Ryan]

It's 100% fiction. Merging this with the existing thread.

:)

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings all...
Well, dog my cats, I've been chastised for posting what many feel is a hoax...and, as it is never my intention to mislead anyone...I apologize to the forum for any misdirection I my have caused....
The story sure felt real to me, and I can't imagine why anyone would go to such lengths to fool humanity...but I may be naive.
Blessings
Dave






Note from Bill: no chastisement; just a clarification. Please don't be offended! The thread that I merged this with was already in the 'Hoaxes section', titled as such quite a long time ago.

[TomKat]

According to the Alien Interview transcripts, The Domain has been searching all over Earth for 3,000 members of their own personnel since 6,248 BCE.

The idea of the missing alien battalion comes from an L Ron Hubbard lecture where he said that, 8,000 years ago, the 3rd battalion of the "5th Invader Force" landed in the Himalayas (with no defences because they thought the planet was unclaimed) and were attacked by the "4th Invader Force." He said that every once in awhile a reincarnated member of the 3rd battalion will show up in a Scientology session for counselling, and they are in extremely bad spiritual shape because of what they went through in that incident 8,000 years ago.

[aparajitkr]

Please check this info:

"The Domain Expeditionary Force also monitors life forms on Venus which has a very dense, hot and heavy atmosphere of sulfuric acid clouds. There are a few life forms on Earth that can endure an atmospheric environment like Venus."

This was said by Airl in 1947 and this quote is in 2hrs: 25mins of the video version and page 92 of the
pdf version.

There has been recent corroboration on the life present in Venus but before considering that
let's check on Venus having sulfuric acid clouds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missions_to_Venus

Check this wiki page which tells all missions to Venus were after the 1960s

and this link
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/venus2014/pdf/6005.pdf

Before the 1960s nobody on this planet knew that Venusian clouds are thick and are composed mainly (75–96%) of sulfuric acid droplets.

Even if we say that the Editor of the book Lawrence made up the Roswell story and published the story in 2008, there was no concrete information regarding the existence of life-forms on Venus before 2008. End of last year the presence of bio-markers indicating life on Venus was detected, though there is still some dispute in the scientific community. I will attach the supporting articles for that information:

1. https://news.sky.com/story/signs-of-alien-life-detected-on-venus-12071625

2. https://www.hawaii.edu/news/2020/09/14/hints-of-life-on-venus/

3. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03258-5

4. https://www.universetoday.com/148865/scientists-have-re-analyzed-their-data-and-still-see-a-signal-of-phosphine-at-venus-just-less-of-it/amp/

5. https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/01/astrochemist-brings-search-for-extraterrestrial-life-to-harvard/

If there are really microbes on the Venus clouds then surely it will be confirmed in the coming years via nasa probes or some other
agency's probes.

[isbeverse]

The idea of the missing alien battalion comes from an L Ron Hubbard lecture where he said that, 8,000 years ago, the 3rd battalion of the "5th Invader Force" landed in the Himalayas (with no defences because they thought the planet was unclaimed) and were attacked by the "4th Invader Force." He said that every once in awhile a reincarnated member of the 3rd battalion will show up in a Scientology session for counselling, and they are in extremely bad spiritual shape because of what they went through in that incident 8,000 years ago.

If we can believe the narrative proposed by LRS in the beginning of the book, and on each page of the supposed transcripts themselves, the interviews took place in 1947. LRH's mentioning of what you posted is from a dialogue he made in 1952, called 'The Role of Earth'. This opens a can of worms. Did LRH have exposure to the transcripts? Was LRH in touch with the Domain Commander as he also suggested in that same dialogue? Did LRS simply plagiarise LRH's material sometime later to include in Alien Interview? There are a few more similarities between Alien Interview and The Role of Earth which I can't say are 'coincidence'.

There is also something else that is 'strange'. LRS's own book Pan, has some word for word dialogue regarding the Arcadia Regeneration Company also mentioned in Alien Interview. Pan was first released in 2001 and Alien Interview in 2008. Mmm, coincidence?

We won't be able to get the truth from LRS at any stage as he passed away 19th Jan 2022. So far there is no 'deathbed' confession as to the material and the authenticity of the documents. For him to say he burned the originals, seems too convenient. He claims Alien Interview is to be taken as a work of fiction, but as he received the document package from Matilda, he can also claim that part is non-fiction. He could have validated everything by taking photos of it all, then destroying them, but...

NOW, here comes something else quite interesting and a recent development as of Sep't 2021.

There is someone else claiming Alien Interview is in fact true and that they are in contact with a Domain Commander. There are many transcripts of dialogue with the Commander here https://metallicman.com/the-domain/

Interesting!

[aparajitkr]

The idea of the missing alien battalion comes from an L Ron Hubbard lecture where he said that, 8,000 years ago, the 3rd battalion of the "5th Invader Force" landed in the Himalayas (with no defences because they thought the planet was unclaimed) and were attacked by the "4th Invader Force." He said that every once in awhile a reincarnated member of the 3rd battalion will show up in a Scientology session for counselling, and they are in extremely bad spiritual shape because of what they went through in that incident 8,000 years ago.

If we can believe the narrative proposed by LRS in the beginning of the book, and on each page of the supposed transcripts themselves, the interviews took place in 1947. LRH's mentioning of what you posted is from a dialogue he made in 1952, called 'The Role of Earth'. This opens a can of worms. Did LRH have exposure to the transcripts? Was LRH in touch with the Domain Commander as he also suggested in that same dialogue? Did LRS simply plagiarise LRH's material sometime later to include in Alien Interview? There are a few more similarities between Alien Interview and The Role of Earth which I can't say are 'coincidence'.

There is also something else that is 'strange'. LRS's own book Pan, has some word for word dialogue regarding the Arcadia Regeneration Company also mentioned in Alien Interview. Pan was first released in 2001 and Alien Interview in 2008. Mmm, coincidence?

We won't be able to get the truth from LRS at any stage as he passed away 19th Jan 2022. So far there is no 'deathbed' confession as to the material and the authenticity of the documents. For him to say he burned the originals, seems too convenient. He claims Alien Interview is to be taken as a work of fiction, but as he received the document package from Matilda, he can also claim that part is non-fiction. He could have validated everything by taking photos of it all, then destroying them, but...

NOW, here comes something else quite interesting and a recent development as of Sep't 2021.

There is someone else claiming Alien Interview is in fact true and that they are in contact with a Domain Commander. There are many transcripts of dialogue with the Commander here https://metallicman.com/the-domain/

Interesting!

What I have found is that the Pan book he wrote is the edited version lrs released after 2008. He used Arcadia regeneration company(ARC) and created another one called NOAH to use a similar abbreviation as Noah's Ark. That is just a science fiction writer's so-called creativity. Plus he has used in PAN book stuff which Matilda sent as her personal notes like I would never look at a bug the same way etc. LRS has just middled unessecesarily with the Roswell contents as usual. Damn such a head scratcher to see through his mess.

[Denise/Dizi]

I have a theory that the whole Roswell thing was nothing more than Americans using new technologies to take down fledgling satellites from the upper Earth atmosphere that were being launched prior to where America was in the space race... Perhaps the precursors to Sputnik were being shot down..

The fact that they were falling close to the same location, reminds me of a Doty claim that we were blinding satellites as they flew over. (when it came to the information regarding Paul Bennowitz , was when Doty made this claim... And shortly thereafter Doty introduces, and supports the theory that aliens were involved with Paul after that... Of course he would.

If we were downing possible Russian or German probes or satellites, (Or possibly Japanese) of course they would want to claim it either never happened, or it was something "More advanced" than it really was.. Redirecting attention to something else. And they would create a lot of disinformation to support that lie. Uo to, and including supposed interviews with the sole live "et."

Then put that into context with what we are learning today...

What we DO HEAR, is that we were involved in taking out and studying "alien" advanced technologies and materials, and back engineering those components... We call all other nations "alien" to our own... Listen to how they refer to Mexico when we have immigration issues... "Illegal alien immigrants"... So foreign or alien technology means nothing more than foreign to us.

Adding support to any claims that we had "aliens" at the time, would really work to confuse those who may be missing said technologies. And give them the impression that we may have more help than they would want to imagine... even if we did shoot down, and collect their technologies as well...

At that point it raises the stakes in "How far along are the Americans when it comes to advanced technologies?"

And then we get to sputnik. I don't think it comes as any surprise to others when I say, if you jump a pole, the next contender will want to jump higher. When we first built aircraft, they barely left the surface, and now the cream of the crop are wearing spacesuits as they're now able to stay in the upper atmosphere, for very long times, which at one point, was out of reach for most countries to attack.

We all know they were putting dogs and monkeys, and sometimes humans in these early tests, to see how the human body handled being launched into a non gravity and low atmosphere environment... Hence the need for caskets, and the desire to study how such a thing affected humans, regardless of who launched them... And they would want to keep this quiet as well, could you imagine the outcry?

Do I believe there are et? Yes, do I believe that we are in space? Yes...

But I also think the outcry from the populations at large, for what they were really doing to gain superiority in space, would have been so great at that time, it was just easier to lie, both for public support, and for secretcy in the true progress of said testing.

The Matilda files? Well they do make note of many things I experienced myself, language used, etc... But that information could easily have come from someone familiar with the phenomenon... And once a story becomes more a legend, one must "Stick to the script"

I think we need to move forward in time, and figure out what is happening now and just file that away into past legends... Just battling over details of something that old, gets us nowhere to what the truth of today is. And was a genius ploy to redirect, misdirect, and occupy a very large community of curious individuals seeking truth. And to keep pounding these drums, serves no useful purpose at this point in moving forward.

I also think THIS is deliberate, where people will start conversations about old topics, to get people invested into the conversation, to avoid people fro looking at the "Here and Now". And it works very well in these communities.