IMPORTANT. The dogon tribe high priests open multiple schools in the US.

[Theseus]

I'm sorry I'm going to have to re post this when I have a computer to work on and not just the phone with the horrible speech to text application the post was a disaster and I have to get all of my material back I apologize.

[Flash]

The Dogon tribe opens a school in Los Angeles???????? Los Angeles/Dogon, does not fit together for me.

And then you talk about the Hopi Indians??? as a parallel or as part of the Dogon or the Dogon part of the Hopi?? I do not understand.

The Dogon are and African tribe located in eastern Mali in a location actually at war. Their knowledge is in Africa. Why would they open in Los Angeles and ask for 75,000$? Seems fishy to me.

If they remain in Africa and open a school there to impart knowledge, believe me white Europeans will flock in Africa. Why Los Angeles of all places?

The Hopi are American Indians with their own knowledge that may or may not correspond to the Dogon.

And then Horus Priesthood??? The Egyptian god?? Everything seems to be a mix of fallacies using knowledge of different groups in a superficial manner.

Sounds truly fishy, sorry. Unless you explain further what you meant or what is happening.

[Theseus]

the Hopi the Dogon and the tibetans are all holders of sacred tablets that come from "them" but if you don't wanna take my word for you can do what I did and research for weeks... I watch just about every ounce of video there is on these tribed... I was both shocked and humbled..something in my heart tells me this is all true in all very important...
I'm trying to find myself a spot on the hopi reservation. I never thought I'd say this but I'm ready to leave modern society and never come back not after what I've seen of these people.

[Theseus]

The Dogon tribe opens a school in Los Angeles???????? Los Angeles/Dogon, does not fit together for me.

And then you talk about the Hopi Indians??? as a parallel or as part of the Dogon or the Dogon part of the Hopi?? I do not understand.

The Dogon are and African tribe located in eastern Mali in a location actually at war. Their knowledge is in Africa. Why would they open in Los Angeles and ask for 75,000$? Seems fishy to me.

If they remain in Africa and open a school there to impart knowledge, believe me white Europeans will flock in Africa. Why Los Angeles of all places?

The Hopi are American Indians with their own knowledge that may or may not correspond to the Dogon.

Sounds truly fishy, sorry. Unless you explain further what you meant or what is happening.

not just Los Angeles but Chicago in New York is well they don't want to be here but they fear that we are taking them us on the path of destruction..
and what the Hopi and the Dogon and the Tibetans all have in common are the same prophecy..
like I said you can do the weeks of research that I have the you'll come to the same conclusion that tribes like the whole being a dog on in it to bed and have been predicting our future for thousands of years.. and I mean not just predicting it I mean telling it word for word.the reason why I mention these claims all together is because they all have the same message they all have the same philosophy..they are all holders of stone tablets that can join together as one tablet...so even though these cultures are from different parts of the world they had been given the same knowledge and it was designed so one day they will be brought together as one..

look I'm naturally a skeptic if it has me convinced trust me it will convince you too..

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again sorry about my spelling I'm using a speech to text app and my phone is not letting me correct a lot of my messages it's bugging out on me

[Flash]

the Hopi the Dogon and the tibetans are all holders of sacred tablets that come from "them" but if you don't wanna take my word for you can do what I did and research for weeks... I watch just about every ounce of video there is on these tribed... I was both shocked and humbled..something in my heart tells me this is all true in all very important...
I'm trying to find myself a spot on the hopi reservation. I never thought I'd say this but I'm ready to leave modern society and never come back not after what I've seen of these people.

yes, in my fifty + years of life, starting wtih the seventies where groups and schools like this were spreading like bush fire, I started to be not only be skeptical, but also to look at eveything that would tell me that they are my savior.

Furthermore, I have been well trained to look at spiritual thiefs, we want your money kind of. They abound all over, including in the alternative media, the spirituality fields, no better than corporations.

So yes, I would need to be well informed because what you wrote here holds by a thread :p And I do not have the time to research it, this is why we do share our knowledge and finding on Avalon, to help others and sometimes save time.

I do understand your eagerness for evolution, individual and collective, I share the same. But this one smells fishy to me.

[Theseus]

you're not going to find a whole lot of useful information about the dog on their very private people...I personally had to call the school and have a conversation with one of them to find out that a lot of the stuff on the internet about that more people speaking about the dog on that are not dog on do not have the facts for the truth...simply because the Dogon will not divulge it to them..

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they are tribesmen how much money do you think they have that cannot run the schools for free and secondly there trying to raise the funds to re open their temples to the public..Temple is that have been closed too non tribesman since they're conception hundreds and hundreds of years ago

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I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful but I don't think you have done enough research about the Hopi the tibetans or the dog on to discredit them and I'd really appreciate it if you didn't dilute my post without knowing the facts in the histories of these cultures.

for Christ's sake the Hopi have corn that they can't prove where it came from there's no evidence of it naturally existing... the reason for this is because their God gave it to them personally they picked it out.... and by god I mean alien. but these people purposely have stayed away from us and instead remained primitive one of the reasons is to dispatch themselves from our culture for over a thousand years but now they want to speak and I'm going to listen

[Flash]

I do not want to disrupt your thread, really not. But it is precisely what I am asking. Can you supply us with the information you have, at least enough of us to undersand and see.

I knew that Indians have corn that we do not know where they are from as well as chocolat grains that were deemed the money of the gods (the Maya and Aztec were exchanging grains of chocolate as we exchange money today)



you're not going to find a whole lot of useful information about the dog on their very private people...I personally had to call the school and have a conversation with one of them to find out that a lot of the stuff on the internet about that more people speaking about the dog on that are not dog on do not have the facts for the truth...simply because the Dogon will not divulge it to them..

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they are tribesmen how much money do you think they have that cannot run the schools for free and secondly there trying to raise the funds to re open their temples to the public..Temple is that have been closed too non tribesman since they're conception hundreds and hundreds of years ago

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I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful but I don't think you have done enough research about the Hopi the tibetans or the dog on to discredit them and I'd really appreciate it if you didn't dilute my post without knowing the facts in the histories of these cultures.

for Christ's sake the Hopi have corn that they can't prove where it came from there's no evidence of it naturally existing... the reason for this is because their God gave it to them personally they picked it out.... and by god I mean alien.

[Theseus]

like I said I'm writing this post on my phone I can't really drink all the stuff that I had because it got wiped on my computer but on the 1st of the month I'm going to take it to get it repaired and I might be able to do that yes... but you will have to do what I didn't watch over 20 hours of video. and I did talk to hopi and a dogon. believe me when I divulge in a subject I really divulge... cross reference everything. trust me I have an incredible thought process things as parts per million and I can't see them in any other way... so before I make a post that I know Thousands of people are going to read I do my work
and again I'm sorry for my poor spelling and poor freezing I am writing this on my phone using a speech to text application that doesn't always work like I'd like it to

again I stated above that I will re post this when I can and in great detail trust me it'll be a novel..it's not just the Dogon that have come forward it is the Hopi in the Tibetans as well they are trying to bring a message to the entire world and trust me I'm going to have it heard.

[spiritguide]

Theseus,
If you have any links that establish your thread could you please provide them. Native American Indian ancestry as well as others has been obscured and defiled by folks who are profiters and have no respect for elders or rituals. Please walk soft on this and provide credible info so one can do their own discernment of the subject matter. We are among you!

Peace!

[Theseus]

again I said I do I can't I'm on a phone..it says so up there in my post...on the first of the month when I have my computer repaired I would do this...even though it took me almost 5 days to find everything that I could on them and not only that but it took even longer to go through all the material and now I have to edit it and put it on a post I cannot do this on the phone..

[Flash]

again I said I do I can't I'm on a phone..it says so up there in my post...on the first of the month when I have my computer repaired I would do this...even though it took me almost 5 days to find everything that I could on them and not only that but it took even longer to go through all the material and now I have to edit it and put it on a post I cannot do this on the phone..

Therefore we will be patient for when you get your computer.

[parcival]

hey theseus,
you mean to tell me one of the most ancient and powerful groups of earthly beings can't raise a measley $75k?

geez, what a pity...

go get yourself a job, that'll make your retirement a lot easier.

[Theseus]

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[Lifebringer]

Ummm...excuse me, but the rules say, do not "insult" people, even if they ask for a link to what your are talking about, and also if they re not understanding the "fragments of info" you typing is implying. But the "idiot" part, shows no respect for others here. I can tell you're young, and for that i'll give you a pass. The craps been going on "towards" my people since the 1600's and so far, we're still here. Be wise to mind your manners like grandma says and use respect when answering a comment here. I have sons your age, and believe me, your mouth would have been washed with soap, for insulting anyone that lives and breathes on this earth. Now there are better ways to communicate with others, and I'm sure who ever led you here, can better explain it to you, but just in case...you might want to review the rules of getting kicked off for insulting members that express their thoughts.

Just saying, I was connecting to your pc's getting attacked, but perhaps it's a sign that what you are putting out there, shouldn't be given too much access towards others?
Might be a sign, to check yourself before you wreck yourself and others don't read what you have to say at all?
Just saying. Here's a few things to do to save you your pc's, that I've tried and tested that work. Remember act as if Jesus/Yahushua is right beside you, and his father is in the conversation, and you can't go wrong.

Try a further back system restore point in your computers, and whatever snuck in at a later time, will be erased. You must go in under "safe mode" do a system analysis and it will off you a few options to get your system off the viral lock. It must be erased, and this is a free way, to erase it off your system, to a time before the virus. Good luck with all the computers, if you get it back up. Sometimes it has to cool off for a few days. It seems all those videos ran through a longer cycle of time to view them, than you pc could handle and it needed a break. If it comes on, and you go all the way to the desktop, then force turn it back off if it was effected by virus before it shut down, and when you turn it back on after a 10 seconds, when it says: "highlighted, "START WINDOWS NORMALLY" in 30 seconds, arrow key to safe mode and open it that way to get into system restore dates after a analysis has been run. A prompt will tell ask you because you are in "safe mode operation."

Good luck and take it in stride, because its a long ride, and the roads have pitfalls and traps set. Buckle up, take it in gradually, because some loose their minds and act out in gun violence, which makes them stack more ammo for the day they push people too far. They want it before using the laws to create anarchy, but....that's now how to do it. USE our laws our forefather set. They ran into the same vermin back in the day. Remember all our leaders of peace who taught us, starting with Jesus/Yahushua.

Remember Time is only here, so when anxiety or rapid thoughts of all you've seen, seem to go endlessly in a loop, take a few days away, because you still have to process and make solution, not continuously download. Get it?
Good seeking.

[Theseus]

typically those that are trying to deconstruct Warmachine driven societies aren't the kind of guys that work at Subway...they are tribesmen... my god I mean I've had to repeat myself over and over in these post because you are failing to read what I've written in the first place.

[Theseus]

Try a further back system restore point in your computers, and whatever snuck in at a later time, will be erased. You must go in under "safe mode" do a system seriously I'm not making this upanalysis and it will off you a few options to get your system off the viral lock. It must be erased, and this is a free way, to erase it off your system, to a time before the virus. Good luck with all the computers, if you get it back up. Sometimes it has to cool off for a few days. It seems all those videos ran through a longer cycle of time to view them, than you pc could handle and it needed a break. If it comes on, and you go all the way to the desktop, then force turn it back off if it was effected by virus before it shut down, and when you turn it back on after a 10 seconds, when it says: "highlighted, "START WINDOWS NORMALLY" in 30 seconds, arrow key to safe mode and open it that way to get into system restore dates after a analysis has been run. A prompt will tell ask you because you are in "safe mode operation."

Good luck and take it in stride, because its a long ride, and the roads have pitfalls and traps set. Buckle up, take it in gradually, because some loose their minds and act out in gun violence, which makes them stack more ammo for the day they push people too far. They want it before using the laws to create anarchy, but....that's now how to do it. USE our laws our forefather set. They ran into the same vermin back in the day. Remember all our leaders of peace who taught us, starting with Jesus/Yahushua.

Remember Time is only here, so when anxiety or rapid thoughts of all you've seen, seem to go endlessly in a loop, take a few days away, because you still have to process and make solution, not continuously download. Get it?
Good seeking.

no they get my windows 32 files everytime so I can even start Windows there's no option for safe mode I have to use the Windows disk in the windows this doesn't work... and the one time I actually managed to get everything back on one of the hard drives it inexplicably melted .... im not makin this up lol.

[Theseus]

Ummm...excuse me, but the rules say, do not "insult" people, even if they ask for a link to what your are talking about, and also if they re not understanding the "fragments of info" you typing is implying. But the "idiot" part, shows no respect for others here. I can tell you're young, and for that i'll give you a pass. The craps been going on "towards" my people since the 1600's and so far, we're still here. Be wise to mind your manners like grandma says and use respect when answering a comment here. I have sons your age, and believe me, your mouth would have been washed with soap, for insulting anyone that lives and breathes on this earth. Now there are better ways to communicate with others, and I'm sure who ever led you here, can better explain it to you, but just in case...you might want to review the rules of getting kicked off for insulting members that express their thoughts.

Just saying, I was connecting to your pc's getting attacked, but perhaps it's a sign that what you are putting out there, shouldn't be given too much access towards others?
Might be a sign, to check yourself before you wreck yourself and others don't read what you have to say at all?
Just saying. Here's a few things to do to save you your pc's, that I've tried and tested that work. Remember act as if Jesus/Yahushua is right beside you, and his father is in the conversation, and you can't go wrong.

Try a further back system restore point in your computers, and whatever snuck in at a later time, will be erased. You must go in under "safe mode" do a system analysis and it will off you a few options to get your system off the viral lock. It must be erased, and this is a free way, to erase it off your system, to a time before the virus. Good luck with all the computers, if you get it back up. Sometimes it has to cool off for a few days. It seems all those videos ran through a longer cycle of time to view them, than you pc could handle and it needed a break. If it comes on, and you go all the way to the desktop, then force turn it back off if it was effected by virus before it shut down, and when you turn it back on after a 10 seconds, when it says: "highlighted, "START WINDOWS NORMALLY" in 30 seconds, arrow key to safe mode and open it that way to get into system restore dates after a analysis has been run. A prompt will tell ask you because you are in "safe mode operation."

Good luck and take it in stride, because its a long ride, and the roads have pitfalls and traps set. Buckle up, take it in gradually, because some loose their minds and act out in gun violence, which makes them stack more ammo for the day they push people too far. They want it before using the laws to create anarchy, but....that's now how to do it. USE our laws our forefather set. They ran into the same vermin back in the day. Remember all our leaders of peace who taught us, starting with Jesus/Yahushua.

Remember Time is only here, so when anxiety or rapid thoughts of all you've seen, seem to go endlessly in a loop, take a few days away, because you still have to process and make solution, not continuously download. Get it?
Good seeking.


you're just as quick too preach As I am and I was quick too arrogant remarks as he was nobody's perfect. I'll refrain from insulting anyone from here on out.. but give crap get crap.. thats only logical.

[Theseus]

I should have just replied to that posed with the signature I have.. those two quotes.
but forgive me I'm so tired of arrogance where Im seeking intelligence. and kicking drug habits just left me with a bitter temper
sorry everyone ive been a dick : /

[Theseus]

yeah check out some of the posts I have up on here.. I only a few of them. but yeah I get into some touchy kind of stuff even one of the posts I said that I was going to take it easy for awhile because I got the distinct feeling that I went too far. I belong to a couple of other forms and yes some of the stuff I had was a little... yea. I knew it was coming and BAM there was lol . Computer # 5.
I lost 2 of the computers trying to spread the cure for cancer...
I don't regret it though I spread that like little virus and I got some really rewarding messages back from its saying that people were actually recovering

[Flash]

I should have just replied to that posed with the signature I have.. those two quotes.
but forgive me I'm so tired of arrogance where Im seeking intelligence. and kicking drug habits just left me with a bitter temper

Arrogance may be thinking and presuming that others have no intelligence. Cool off and cool down if you want to be listened. Or come back when withdrawal is through.

Noni for withdrawal suffering may be? http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68647-Alcoholism-and-addictions

[Ahnung-quay]

I, for one, Theseus, am looking forward to your posts when you have repaired your computer.

Why shouldn't the Dogon come here to share information at this time? Even the fact that the Dogon, the Aborigines of Australia, the Hopi, and the Tibetans are releasing their prophecies to the world now is a prophecy. It is no different from the shamans from the Amazon coming here to share their medicine ceremonies with us. Their cultures are being destroyed by the elites and this Babylonian system. They are trying to get people to understand and save what they can.

Make no mistake, these are not just prophecies of an ancient nature. There are still ones among them that are making Spirit contact now.

As for the money, $75,000.00 is probably a world of money to them. They are not primarily dependent on it as those of us living a "modern" existence.

I believe everyone has something to share.

[GreenGuy]

Theseus, you have my sympathy regarding your computer. My laptop died a couple weeks ago. I can reply with my iPhone or like right now, I'm on my wife's PC. My phone doesn't have voice recognition so any message has to be eked out on those tiny keys with my big fingers. A real pain, but I'm getting by. I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're talking about.

[Becky]

Theseus, you have my sympathy regarding your computer. My laptop died a couple weeks ago. I can reply with my iPhone or like right now, I'm on my wife's PC. My phone doesn't have voice recognition so any message has to be eked out on those tiny keys with my big fingers. A real pain, but I'm getting by. I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're talking about.

Me too, I could only access Avalon via my phone earlier this week and my posts were barely legible with loads of spelling mistakes. When you're on your phone the screen is too small to read properly what you've written.

[Atlas]

...the Hopi and the Dogon and the Tibetans all have in common are the same prophecy

I disagree Theseus, as far as I know, there is no known Dogon prophecy.




I just came across the fact, that the guy called Griaule, who was the first to allegedly get the information from the Dogon, that they knew Sirius B and C, was interviewing the Dogon in a very suggestive manner, putting words in their mouths. Another source of the Dogon-Sirius myth is Robert Temple's famous "The Sirius Mystery", which is highly influenced by his mentor Arthur Young's belief in a 'Council of Nine', which Young channeled, another not very 'scientific' approach. A later scientist, Walter van Beek, who allegedly wanted to back up the initial claims of Griaule, worked with the Dogon for a decade and could not confirm a genuine knowledge among the Dogon about the Sirius star system, now this is my very short summary of the problem, because not only since Kerry made an interview with two members of the Dogon tribe, not only since David Icke mentioned this story in his last book, it is often taken for granted, that the Dogon had this knowledge. [...]

Thank you christian, I posted this on another thread:



This idea of a connection with Sirius of course is also promoted in UFOlogy (and by the African Dogon tribe!),...By the time Temple had published the second edition of The Sirius Mystery in 1998, the whole question of the Dogon’s apparently inexplicable knowledge of Sirius had been blown apart. No-one had questioned Griaule and Dieterlen’s findings until the early 1990s. And this is where the problems for the hypothesis began.

In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists (The Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel Griaule (http://www.michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/Grialle%20Sirius%20Dogon.pdf)). Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon.

As Peter James and Nick Thorpe point out, Griaule took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s – before he visited the Dogon – there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. To quote James and Thorpe: “As for Sirius B, only Griaule’s informants had ever heard of it.”

Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaule’s original informants; he noted that


“though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule.”(Source: philipcoppens.com/dogonshame (http://www.philipcoppens.com/dogonshame.html))

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In 2004, Van Beek wrote (Haunting Griaule: Experiences from the Restudy of the Dogon (http://www.michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/van%20Beek%20Haunting%20Griaule%20Experience%20from%20Restudy%20of%20the%20Dogon.pdf)):


Griaule’s ethnography proved to be incoherent. Griaule’s later publications, which incidentally never could match his first success nor receive the wide circulation and renown of Ogotemmelli, depicted yet another Dogon culture. The posthumously published Le Renard pale (Griaule/Dieterlen 1956) and the articles leading up to it (Griaule 1954, Griaule/Dieterlen 1950) came up with even “deeper” myths, systems of classification, and a totally different creation story, at least with a totally different construction of the myth. These two sets of creation myths, of 1948 and 1956, are totally inconsistent with each other…After years spent becoming accepted by the Dogon, Van Beek began to carefully expose them to the ideas that Griaule had “learned” from Ogotemmelli, only to have his Dogon friends burst out laughing! One of the major services is van Beek’s lengthy descriptions (with illustrations) of how Griaule came to create the myths of the Dogon himself (which were uncritically absorbed by Temple and passed on to the populace in his book). Basically, there was a good amount of cultural mis-communication.

The foundation of Robert Temple’s Sirius Mystery (and the nonsense that has accrued to it since its publication) consists of three conversations with one Dogon tribesman, Ogotemmêli, whose ideas differ from all subsequent Dogon elders interviewed to date. (Source: michaelsheiser.com/the-sirius-mystery (http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2011/06/the-sirius-mystery-you-dont-columbo-for-this-one/))



As ought to have been obvious from the outset, Griaule and Dieterlen’s reliance on a single informant severely compromises the validity of their data. It seems that Griaule, a scientist, wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they actually possessed.



According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new myths by confabulation." Griaule either informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible companion"



Temple has never properly responded to these charges. In his latest book, The Crystal Sun, Temple briefly repeats his earlier claim that the Dogon knew Sirius A and B, and seems blissfully unaware of these criticisms. This is worse than pseudoscience. What do you call it when someone's error is pointed out - again and again and again - and they simply fail to acknowledge the criticism? (Source: grahamhancock.com/phorum (http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=85285&t=85285))

[Sean]

I live in Los Angeles, and I'm in NY often. Please post the relevant info when you can, OP. I'm happy to pay them a visit.

[johnf]

Theseus,
I acknowledge the essence of what you are saying is true.
There is a Camelot video that relates to the Dogon introducing themselves to
the world at large, as well as links between indigenous groups.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NPtuDGO_Hw

There was a meeting at the UN where indigenous elders from Hopi, Tibet, Dogon, Mamos, and perhaps others
got together and talked about interacting with the world at large.
Miriam Delicado has been working with these people for some time.
I have been following her for a while, and the one thing that stands out is this information will not come out all at once.
There are ancient bodies of knowledge that have been preserved from previous civilizations in different places in the world.
Each of these groups has only seen fit to release certain parts of their knowledge, and this is probably for good reason.
If you search online you might find other videos of Miriam and Bikbaye talking to people about this, and the establishment of schools in the US.
If you search Miriam Delicado you might find things about her work on setting up a web portal concerning various projects connected to
indigenous peoples, and knowledge.
This website of hers is what she calls her lifes work.

http://thegreatgathering.org/

I suggest that you take your time in trying to share this information on this forum.
It is an important message, but it does not come across well in your posts.
You might want to get to a computer, and take time to reread your posts before sending them.
I have to edit out some of the more emotional things I would like to put in posts, emails, and other communication before I send
them.
Also I hope it helps to know that there are others working on messages pertaining to what you
are trying to share here


JohnF

[johnf]

Here is more information pertaining to the video I posted.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/miriam-delicado-dogon/dogon.html

JohnF

[Kristin]

The Dogon have had centers in the US for many years. Here is their web site:

http://theearthcenter.com/

The Earth Centers in the US are located in: Los Angeles, San Diego, Chicago, New York, and Charleston West Virginia. The locations and contact info are provided at the bottom of the link I provided.

The Dogon traditions are essentially male oriented. Men are served by the women in the schools and women are not entitled to equal rights or knowledge. For this reason I suggest caution in fully embracing this religion as it displays a lack of balance. There is much to be learned through traditional values, however, this religion is not perfect by any means. Yet in the study of religions, there is much to be gained.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[johnf]

The Dogon have had centers in the US for many years. Here is their web site:

http://theearthcenter.com/

The Earth Centers in the US are located in: Los Angeles, San Diego, Chicago, New York, and Charleston West Virginia. The locations and contact info are provided at the bottom of the link I provided.

The Dogon traditions are essentially male oriented. Men are served by the women in the schools and women are not entitled to equal rights or knowledge. For this reason I suggest caution in fully embracing this religion as it displays a lack of balance. There is much to be learned through traditional values, however, this religion is not perfect by any means. Yet in the study of religions, there is much to be gained.

From the Heart,
Kristin

There are dangers with following only one school exclusively.
It is interesting that Miriam Delicado repeats this idea over and over.
The multiple indigenous groups that she is in contact with each have kept to themselves for ages.
Now they seem to be working together, and are facilitated by a woman in western modern society with the values of gender equality that we have embraced.
More shall be revealed, and as things come into view piece by piece each of us have to decide whether the ideas presented fit into their lives or not.

JohnF

[Kristin]

I quote this from the "WHO WE ARE" section of the website:

"The Earth Center is a non-profit and non-governmental organization. TEC was founded by Master Naba Lamoussa Morodenibig, a Gourmantche/Dogon Spiritual Master and Healer.

The Earth Center was founded in Burkina Faso, as KHEPRA, an organization of traditional cultural activists and researchers. KHEPRA's goal was to provide a community and a forum for the preservation and strengthening of traditional spirituality and culture and to ensure continuous research, exploration, dialogue and activism.

The Earth Center was brought to the USA in 1996. With the blessings and appointment of the Gourmantche/Dogon Elders, TEC became the ONLY authentic center and school from which to learn the knowledge of the ancient Mystery Schools of the Dogon.

TEC's goal is to strengthen Traditional Kemetic Culture and Spirituality in all aspects of life. An inclusive organization, The Earth Center does not discriminate against people of any race, color or creed. We are all human beings, and so as the Gods do not see humans in terms of race or color, neither do we.

The world is caught in a cycle of destruction/self-destruction. We must return to our origin, our ancestors and our true spiritual beings. We must embrace the principles of Khepra and Ankh, or Transformation/Becoming and Eternal Life.

The Earth Center will show you the way."

[Atlas]

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During my recent stay in Dogon country, I had the opportunity to interview the Hogon, which is the Dogon's chief and spiritual master. The villagers said that he is over 95 years old and is the oldest in the Dogon village which makes him the Hogon. Questions that were asked were

1. Explain the origins of the Dogon

2.Why Dogon people are deflecting their ideginous religion and turning to Christianity and Islam

3.I asked about Sirius C the female dwarf star and the amma. Does it prefigure the four mythological elements of water, fire, wind, and earth and how it constitutes the four cardinal directions of space

4. And if he had any predictions or advice for Africans across the globe including the diaspora.

Please excuse my guide/ cameraman/ translator. At times during translation, he couldnt hold the camera still. I hope you enjoy and learn. This is authentic Dogon spiritual wisdom that is being dropped in this video.

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[Kristin]

Hey John,

It was actually Miriam herself who told me of the issues concerning the Dogon with respect to missing the point with concerns of respect for the feminine principal. She visited one of the centers as well as taken a trip to Africa. She has had a very difficult time doing her life work due to her sex. These issues spring into every traditional tribe that she has worked with. IMO, what is missing from the healing of the planet is this very balance and respect. Miriam's work is incredibly important, it is not an accident that a woman is chosen to do this. However, unfortunately the males that she works with are often short of understanding this very important point.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[johnf]

When I watched the Camelot video that I posted above, I was turned off by some of the patriarchal attitudes
as well as the air of superiority shown by Naba Shenmira, his knowledge was passed down in the traditional manner through family/tribal ines.
Bikbaye on the other hand displays definite humility in his dealing with people, and he grew up in the US and as far as I remember learned what he knows from the Earth School.
I am personally quite strongly drawn to the Neter which are talked about by these people, however I do not find some of the cultural
and traditional values to be good for this time in our history, only time will tell how these things will unfold in less traditional cultures.

JohnF

[Kristin]

When I watched the Camelot video that I posted above, I was turned off by some of the patriarchal attitudes
as well as the air of superiority shown by Naba Shenmira, his knowledge was passed down in the traditional manner through family/tribal ines.
Bikbaye on the other hand displays definite humility in his dealing with people, and he grew up in the US and as far as I remember learned what he knows from the Earth School.
I am personally quite strongly drawn to the Neter which are talked about by these people, however I do not find some of the cultural
and traditional values to be good for this time in our history, only time will tell how these things will unfold in less traditional cultures.

JohnF

I felt the same way John. Thank you for sharing that.

[Atlas]

Original Dogon:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/DogonMali.jpg/400px-DogonMali.jpg