A Quarter of Americans Think the Sun Orbits the Earth

[Skywizard]

http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/050/798/original/ISS-sunrise-130522.jpg?1369237204

Jeff Nesbit was the director of public affairs for two prominent federal science agencies. This article was adapted from one that first appeared in U.S. News & World Report. Nesbit contributed the article to Live Science's Expert Voices: Op-Ed & Insights.

The Earth revolves around the sun. Really, it does. I know it may not seem that way because the sun appears to move across the sky each and every day, from east to west. It disappears into the ocean, and then rises again in the east the next day. But we're the ones doing the moving in orbit around the sun — not the other way around.

If you believe that (or, more accurately, know that), then good for you — you got one of the 10 correct answers on the National Science Foundation's public science-literacy test released recently.

When I worked at NSF, I used to think this sort of basic science test survey was a bit silly and simplistic. People spend years in school learning basic science stuff. Who doesn't know the Earth orbits the sun and not the other way around?

Apparently a quarter of the American population, that's who.

It turns out 26 percent of us in America think the sun is moving around the Earth, and we're just rooted in place here on Earth watching it sweep across the sky, a recent public survey using the NSF science-literacy test found. Never mind those silly scientists telling us otherwise. A quarter of us can see the sun moving. We're not moving. The sun is. :bowl:


Read full story at the source below... interesting read.



Source: http://www.livescience.com/43593-americans-ignorant-about-science.html




peace...
skywizard

[Hip Hipnotist]

When you have a U.S. president who thinks the U.S. has 57 states it makes perfect sense that a quarter ( are you sure that's all? ) of its citizens would think the sun circles the earth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58

Where was the teleprompter when he REALLY needed it? :confused:

[conk]

Other reading will convince you that the Earth does not revolve around the Sun, that in fact both move in spiral dance through the galaxy and universe.

[Flash]

Other reading will convince you that the Earth does not revolve around the Sun, that in fact both move in spiral dance through the galaxy and universe.

I am baffled Conk, my brain cannot grasp this, I just learned that the eath goes around the sun, while I thought it was the other way around Now you are talking or spiral. :rolleyes:

Oh, and not enough mistakes in my grammar to make sure you believe me. And what is a spiral to start with??


- gosh, how do you tell them that ETs exist.

- I will be gross, but I need someone to clean my house, it does not matter then where the sun and earth are, as long as my house is cleaned. Gosh, do we have to think this way with people who do not want to educate themselves. This is so elementary that videos do not even show it when speaking about space.

[linksplatinum]

I know that the Sun moves through space at 240 km/h which converts to 536,864.710093 mph, and that when in rotation with our sibling planets in our Solar system, (all of which the outer planets revolve around the Sun), makes a spiraling pattern pretty similar to how the strands of DNA are spiraled... Now that's pretty cool huh...

[Prodigal Son]

Other reading will convince you that the Earth does not revolve around the Sun, that in fact both move in spiral dance through the galaxy and universe.

I am baffled Conk, my brain cannot grasp this, I just learned that the eath goes around the sun, while I thought it was the other way around Now you are talking or spiral. :rolleyes:

Oh, and not enough mistakes in my grammar to make sure you believe me. And what is a spiral to start with??


- gosh, how do you tell them that ETs exist.

- I will be gross, but I need someone to clean my house, it does not matter then where the sun and earth are, as long as my house is cleaned. Gosh, do we have to think this way with people who do not want to educate themselves. This is so elementary that videos do not even show it when speaking about space.

At one time it was taught that the sun and all the stars revolve around a stationary earth, which was the center of the Universe. That is what the Bible consistently and unambiguously teaches. The purpose of that was to make the masses believe that earth was created by God and is the only planet capable of supporting life. In other words, nothing matters except what happens here. Many people were killed trying to correct that notion during the Copernican Revolution.

However, the final acceptance of the heliocentric model really did little to awaken humans to to the idea that there were billions of inhabited worlds out there, since it was subsequently taught that earth was the only planet supporting life in our solar system. All the planets revolving around a stationary sun is almost as misleading. All the stars are in motion and everything is dynamic. This video gives a very nice illustration of what's really happening.

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[Cardillac]

this info doesn't surprise me in the least- sort of goes hand-in-hand with most (duped) Americans still believing that the Federal Reserve and IRS are legitimate (cough) gov't institutions and the Act of 1871 (as if they've even heard about it) turning the US into the status of a corporation is nothing more than a foundless "conspiracy theory"

[Saracatt]

I wonder what the results of the test would be worldwide?

I clicked on the link and took the 10 question quiz they were talking about, and I got all of them correct, except for the last one---

9. Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals True or False?

Of course the answer they are looking for is "True", but well.....it's a lot more complicated a story than that!

[Prodigal Son]

Here is one of many websites that proves that there are people with PhD's in this world who take the Bible literally and are absolutely convinced that not only is the earth the center of the Universe, but that the size of the Universe has been grossly exaggerated by "Kabbalists" through trickery and deception and that the Universe is in actuality a mere three and one half light years in diameter, and enclosed by a wall of "ice crystals" that act as mirrors reflecting galaxies infinitely. Yes, the Universe is a giant Disco Ball, and God's Throne rests on top of it. And to make matters worse, you have to see how they dance around and apologize for the idea that God deliberately built this deception into the Universe... you have to see this to believe it....

http://fixedearth.com/

[8Adamas8]

This is just lack of knowledge. What I find more dangerous is the flat earth society and their exploits. They claim conspiracy and scientific evidence for how the earth is flat. I'm not sure on how many are out there but they have plenty of youtube videos.

[Operator]

Ehhh, if you look up in the sky and you see all the other stars do you really think they are up there ?
Nope, there is light refraction with each transition from one medium to another one and light tends
to bend around some points (like demonstrated during the 1919 solar eclipse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity)).

So, light doesn't come as a straight line ... hence distance shouldn't be measured in light years!!
Since everything in nature twists and loops around a couple of light years may be next door.
(like one step backward on earth may also be 40.000 Km or 25.000 miles forward ;))

[mosquito]

And ..... If the stats Richard Dawkins uses are accurate, 30-40% of them believe the Earth to be 6,000 years old, and a truly staggering 50% believe the bible to be a factual historical account.

Things like this make me feel like giving up.

[RunningDeer]

Other reading will convince you that the Earth does not revolve around the Sun, that in fact both move in spiral dance through the galaxy and universe.

I am baffled Conk, my brain cannot grasp this, I just learned that the eath goes around the sun, while I thought it was the other way around Now you are talking or spiral. :rolleyes:

”...However, the final acceptance of the heliocentric model really did little to awaken humans...”

The above video is titled, “The Helical Model - Our Solar System is a Vortex”

This is part 2, titled, “The Helical Model - Our Galaxy is a Vortex”


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Published on Jan 25, 2013

Full info and ongoing research:

http://www.djsadhu.com/the-helical-mo...


Download the sound track for personal use:
http://www.djsadhu.com/audio-video/au...



Notes & comments on this video




The Milky Way

:

The Milky Way itself travels through space at appr. 600 km/s

The image used for texturing the Milky Way is NOT a picture of the Milky Way. There are no pictures of the outside of the Milky Way.

There could either be a black hole or a central sun in the center of the Milky Way. I went with the texture image and made it shine.

A complete revolution around the galaxy takes 226 million years

Do not confuse the Galactic Plane with the Galactic Equator: the Sun never "crosses" the Galactic Equator because the Sun is always on the Galactic Equator, by definition.



Precession cycle

:

One precession cycle takes 25,920 years

Since one revolution takes 226 mln years, this would mean that there are appr. 8692 precessional cycles in one revolution. In this animation there are only 60.


Scale & distance:

The Sun is 109 times bigger than the Earth. If this animation was to scale, the planets would be invisible.

Our Solar System should be a gazillion times smaller compared to the Milky Way. If this animation was to scale, you could not see the Solar System, the Sun or any of the planets.

The software used to create this animation is unable to work with extreme sizes and distances.

Sound & music:

The sound track is called "Enter The Stream" and I created it specifically for this animation.

You can listen to it on my website: http://www.djsadhu.com/audio-video/dj...


More info & reserach at http://www.djsadhu.com/the-helical-mo...

[Flash]

In poor countries where a majority do not have access to school, it may rise to 60-75% but in Europe, if you get 10% it would be surprising. In Canada I would bet for 10% and below. Believe me, your school system had taken a very hard hike in the last 30 years, down and down we fall, the curve is inversely proportional to the increase in reality television. More reality TV, less teaching in schools.


I wonder what the results of the test would be worldwide?

I clicked on the link and took the 10 question quiz they were talking about, and I got all of them correct, except for the last one---

9. Human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals True or False?

Of course the answer they are looking for is "True", but well.....it's a lot more complicated a story than that!

[Carmody]

Ehhh, if you look up in the sky and you see all the other stars do you really think they are up there ?
Nope, there is light refraction with each transition from one medium to another one and light tends
to bend around some points (like demonstrated during the 1919 solar eclipse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity)).

So, light doesn't come as a straight line ... hence distance shouldn't be measured in light years!!
Since everything in nature twists and loops around a couple of light years may be next door.
(like one step backward on earth may also be 40.000 Km or 25.000 miles forward ;))

Yes, that is oddly true.

That one cold have a 'black hole' right in front of them, but if the warp goes around, one would never know it.

The whole matter does not move in a straight line and the dimensional crossing aspect, is a case of hitting the right vibratory oscillation of this complex vortex systems of matter, in order to reach a complimentary resonance. Which can happen naturally, or it can be forced, or brought (coaxed) into being. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67201-People-Vanishing-In-Clusters-Unexplained----What--s-Happening--Video-)

That other entire universes of a completely different or even similar order are right inside of you, right now. You are them, they are you, you are made up of them (and they of you) and their energetic crossings. The whole thing is hydrodynamic, and vortex oriented.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/T3e_troy.jpg

A pair of 2d sheets mix vibrationally, and create a vortex. Our existence is a bubble, at one particular "angle of view".

And on all the other possible tangents, are the probability and mirror universes. All running through one another at the same time.

And we stare at this spinning dual vortex system, with it's inner and outer layers in Near balance and we see..wave and particle.

Since each sheet can and does have planar flow, differences in orientation, we get different "particles" emerging.

http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/6/1/053/Full/nj175634fig5.jpg

Think of two disturbed flow sheets, like that , combining, vibrationally, like the MHD flow image above, and there's your dual vortex wave/particle. Thus two 2d sheets, in interference... gives rise to all 3d time-space. Yet we retain the spooky action at a distance and all dimensional integration.

Thus time, space, matter, gravity, 3d-ish effects, and the spooky action at a distance, all rolled into one.

We live as a vibratory stuttered stroboscopic viewpoint.

Place your hands like this, for example:

http://homesmsp.typepad.com/.a/6a00e550bbaeb3883401287620273b970c-250wi

When doing this, look at your hands. That point a which your eyes are, is the human universe of 3d timespace. Your hands represent the pair of 2d sheets, in integration with one another.

now move your hands around in motion, and think of the friction points where the fingers press upon one another, as having vortexes spin off those points. As the hands move or the 2d sheets move and oscillate through one another, they create this vortex effect.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jTLPwPcUQ0c/TvQKj-00MYI/AAAAAAAABqQ/OlACwP_7weo/s400/IMG_1664.gif

That their motion is not detectable on it's own (from our viewpoint) (one hand has no motion as motion is measurement and measurement is relative to a observation point), that their 'relative internal motion' is not in existence. ONLY in integration does the vortex and wave/particle appear, ONLY from the observation point of 3d timespace, does their essential differential appear. Only from your viewpoint, where your eyeballs are, does the wave/particle appear in this integration of the pair of sheets.

That viewpoint you have, is one of untold billions. Some main ones exist (areas of near geometric/resonant perfection), primary resonances, yes, but the total is well.... ridiculous.

Brilliant people talk about ideas,
average people talk about things,
small people talk about each other.

[RunningDeer]

Nassim Haramein: Earth Is Not Really Orbiting The Sun
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Uploaded on Oct 6, 2011

Earth Is Not Just Orbiting The Sun like we all have come to think. It sounds really stupid but this video is not a joke. We view our planet(s) circling around our Sun and that is some what still true, except our sun is also moving as well...

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

When you have a U.S. president who thinks the U.S. has 57 states it makes perfect sense that a quarter ( are you sure that's all? ) of its citizens would think the sun circles the earth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58

Where was the teleprompter when he REALLY needed it? :confused:

I've never seen that and I'm shocked. He is President of the United States, but he doesn't actually know how many states there are? You must be joking me. You must!

Even to non-Americans it is surely common knowledge that there are 50 states. I honestly didn't think you could have a dumber president that Bush Jr.

[ghostrider]

This will give you some perspective , try this , two people stand facing each other , one holding a flashlight at the other , the one without the light stay in the same place but slide around 360 degrees , staying in one spot , the one with the flashlight stand completely still , you will see the light come up and go down , neither are moving one is just rotating ... Now if both move together in harmony , like a ballet , it still the same result ...

[Bill Ryan]

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The point of the thread is really how appallingly uninformed and/or unintelligent some apparently very nice-and-normal people are. There are some howlingly funny (and even hard-to-believe) videos on YouTube of interviews on the street asking passers-by simple general knowledge questions.

While what was shown is of course filtered to show the dumbest/funniest answers, it's still pretty shocking. Questions I remember are things like "How many points does a triangle have?" "How many Eiffel Towers are there?" And (best of all, pointing at a world map) "Where is Iraq"? Maybe someone else can find them... well worth sharing here.

:)

[TargeT]

Maybe someone else can find them... well worth sharing here.

:)

Here's the video you speak of:
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I don't know that this is a lack of inteligence, honestly I think it's a lack of motivation; the desire to learn is completely removed via modern school indoctrination. which is THE BEST way to keep a population "retarded" in understanding on every topic (especially the ones that involve those in power screwing over those trusting them).

If critical thinking were just taught, (see my "learn to think" link in my signature) life would be very different.

[Operator]

It can be pretty bad ... I remember a program on Dutch television where they asked
people (tourists) from the Netherlands on holiday in Spain to point at the Netherlands
on a map of Europe. Some of them couldn't do it !! I remember one of them was
pointing at Turkey ...

One thing need to be said though ... a lot of the 'older' people lost a lot of education
because of WW II happening during their schooling period. But still ... you wonder how
they made it to Spain ...

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the video you speak of:
_mWtWz_aGyk



OMG... that's the one. :)

HIGHLY recommended. But really painful to watch!

[Hervé]

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55868-Brown-Dwarf-Star-Flyby-estimated-maximal-Earth-impact-date-of-June-July-2013&p=641867&viewfull=1#post641867) (<---) for Earth's traveling ovals around the galaxy.

[Carmody]

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[Bill Ryan]

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More:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_pw8duzGUg

[ulli]

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Naught Carmody!
And did I hear them mention beaver balls soup 1 minute before the end??

[Beren]

That's what happens when you grow the population after the ww II on McDonalds, Coca Cola and ddt.
And on top of this you brainwash them daily for decades...

Sad...but true.

P.S.
If it could be a favorite of mine, I would choose one person in USA who couldn't name the country on letter "U"...

:faint:

[Limor Wolf]

I would like to ask (with much interest!) the readers of this thread a little tricky question (or not!), do you consider these people (who are scattered all over the world, btw (be there wisdom, pleeease), not just in America- which is located in the north of the far east, right?) as your 'brothers and sisters'?, How much could you advocate for them in the 'hidden council of the 'Unseens' '? what is your wish for them ('to grow a brain' is not a valid answer..) and where would you like to see them in the next phase of transition of this planet?

Just a little excercise in unconditional love here :)

[jackovesk]

I would like to ask (with much interest!) the readers of this thread a little tricky question (or not!), do you consider these people (who are scattered all over the world, btw (be there wisdom, pleeease), not just in America- which is located in the north of the far east, right?) as your 'brothers and sisters'?, How much could you advocate for them in the 'hidden council of the 'Unseens' '? what is your wish for them ('to grow a brain' is not a valid answer..) and where would you like to see them in the next phase of transition of this planet?

Just a little excercise in unconditional love here :)

Personally I'm not at all worried about the amount of 'Sheeple' on the Planet...:nono:


There were more before now
Some are being forced into the 'Awakening'


But (Above all Else) we already have over 3,000,000 (Awakened Truthseekers) required to effect Global-Change on the Planet, so inevitably its....

Already (GAME OVER) for the PTW...:wizard:

[Nick Matkin]

OK. Whatever the cause of this ignorance (insularity, junk food, poor education, mindless TV, etc.), I know these videos have been edited to show the dumbest people.

Nevertheless, assuming they represent only 10 percent of the public, is it any wonder that some of the crazy conspiracy theories get circulated and repeated on the internet without the contributors actually thinking about what they post? All that stuff about comet Ison being just one example...

But as others here have said, what can we do?

Nick

[Limor Wolf]

OK. Whatever the cause of this ignorance (insularity, junk food, poor education, mindless TV, etc.)


The age of the soul..


But as other here have said, what can we do?

Grow and develop :)

(rapidly)

[araucaria]

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"How many Eiffel Towers are there?"

:)
Well, this is quite tricky really, there are two in my garage, plastic ones my kids brought home :)

And how many Statues of Liberty are there? Answer, about twenty originals, in various parts of the world.

:focus:

[Operator]

I would like to ask (with much interest!) the readers of this thread a little tricky question (or not!), do you consider these people (who are scattered all over the world, btw (be there wisdom, pleeease), not just in America- which is located in the north of the far east, right?) as your 'brothers and sisters'?, How much could you advocate for them in the 'hidden council of the 'Unseens' '? what is your wish for them ('to grow a brain' is not a valid answer..) and where would you like to see them in the next phase of transition of this planet?

Just a little excercise in unconditional love here :)

Very good point ... but also a very difficult one!
People shouldn't look down on each other. But it works in both directions !!

Even this morning, as we speak, one of my kids asked something about cryogenics (indirectly, not using that term).
When I started explaining something about it immediately one of my other kids interrupted me with a snarl:
"Here he goes again, mr. know-it-all".

Of course I don't know everything (far from it) but I'm always curious to find things out ... especially via
discussion with others. What annoys me most is people that are simply not interested in any open discussion
and kill it right away for unclear reasons. Being ignorant is not so bad, but staying ignorant while having an
opportunity to find out is. And still some of these people do have strong opinions ....

Albert Einstein:

Condemnation without investigation is the highest form of ignorance.

Despite all that we might think about this ... we still have got to love them !!

[Limor Wolf]

Thank you so much, Operator for a very good response. It is a difficult point (difficult for myself as well) maybe this is why it is worth to raise. But you have touched the one thing that really tickels (in a less than delightful way). It is a fact that we are all ignorants (had to check 'cryogenics' and my brain is not even in a freezing state) on one level or another, even very talented professors in Academia may specialize in one area and know very little in other fields, it is the level of freezing (Cryogenics again, I am excercising my new knowledge: ) of the mind while having no desire to learn things that may really matter and be pertinent to someone's life that is most challenging .

Your bottom line is great, However, and worth adopting

[Wookie]

Working as intended, move along.
http://alypain.com/images/kcfinder/images/Round%20hole%20square%20peg-resized-600.png

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[ulli]

Sometimes a little ridicule works to increase awareness.
Considering that lots of corporate effort has gone in to lower awareness of the masses in all western societies
to purposely turn them into docile consumers, then it might be healthy if this is pointed out in a humorous way.
Meanwhile one ought to question what use their amazing knowledge of gadgets and household appliances has once they step out of the US and live as ex-pats in countries where there is no such variety of products.
The whining has me sometimes wondering why come here to this poor country?
Ah, of course, the climate, and more so, to use the Costa Rican free healthcare system
to which the contributions have come from poor coffee pickers.
So, to have someone rub it in that something is not quite right with those Muricans is like a balm on a wound.

I really see no harm in not being able to answer all those geographical questions,
but when a statement, such as the US invading Edmonton is met with approval,
then it shows that self absorbtion and consumerism has reached a point that should send alarm bells ringing.

In countries where the collective awareness level is higher the PTB have to work a lot harder to run a war machine.
Example is how the British Parliament voted against involvement in Syria.

[Hervé]

S[...] the US invading Edmonton is met with approval...

[...]

Many of 'em "Yahoos" do that every summer with all the latest snow, ski and Arctic survival gears... offended to see no snow and having to switch to cases of bug repellents :)