CERN'S Large Hadron Collider: Threat to planet; earthquakes

[Frederick Jackson]

CERN'S Large Hadron Collider has the potential of producing microscopic non evaporating black holes and other collision products that may destroy the planet. The odds of this happening will increase dramatically in 2015 as the energy is planned to reach 10 Tev. I am surprised no thread exists on this topic. I urge all of you to check out this link.

http://cerntruth.wordpress.com/

[Cardillac]

if my read sources are correct the concept of black holes is yet another fabrication to which we've been subjected- sort of goes hand-in-hand with the fabricated concept that our sun is a mega/raging ball of fire as we know fire here on earth; two problems with the latter concept: we've been told there's no heat yet alone no oxygen in outer space; so how could all the bazillion suns in outer space produce no heat remnants whatsoever and how can a flame as we know it here on earth exist without oxygen?

but only God knows what CERN is really trying to accomplish; we've been told (one of many "officious" stories) they're researching, looking for/expanding on the "God particle"- since when is universal, unconditional love a particle?

[thepainterdoug]

will i dream? i dont know

[linksplatinum]

The tech involved is quite interesting but, I'm sorry...this sounds a lot like another "fear porn" tactic to get people all distracted, and riled up over more chaotic destructive devices (the WMD strikes again)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Well, the trouble with nuclear power and free energy is that we saw the bomb happen WAY before the first nuclear power plant, right?

google says: The world's first nuclear power plant was commissioned on June 27, 1954 in Obninsk.

the first bomb:

The first atomic weapons test was conducted near Alamogordo, New Mexico, on July 16, 1945, during the Manhattan Project, and given the codename "Trinity".

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What makes people think CERN is any better than Uranverein/Manhattan project? :(

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the fear porn angle = oil money feeling insecure at best. I think there is a real risk when you build a machine that causes miniature supernovas.
Anyone who thinks that CERN couldn't massively go wrong or break during a test is sticking his/her head in the sand :(

p.s. there wouldn't be much sand to stick it in without nuclear wars, lol j/k

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

p.s. Fred there might be a few CERN threads here, I am pretty sure we were talking about it some (maybe Skywizard posted? not sure). One of our moderators has a big interest in it too. The one who thanked you :)

There was definitely a huge CERN thread on Prisonplanet (written by me) and the moderators gutted it.
Evadinggrid deleted my thread but first made fun of me, saying "why don't you call them and ask" etc before he destroyed my work.

It sucks and was so weird that someone would be offended by CERN conspiracy theories on an Alex Jones website.
Something tells me AJ didn't even know what was going on in his own forum.

That is a big difference between AJ and Bill Ryan, Bill does his own writing and checks up on his own projects whereas the entourage does that stuff for AJ from what I can see of it. Also having a British moderator on a USA freedom site was ODD. which is another thing about AJ that stinks.

[Frederick Jackson]

if my read sources are correct the concept of black holes is yet another fabrication to which we've been subjected- sort of goes hand-in-hand with the fabricated concept that our sun is a mega/raging ball of fire as we know fire here on earth; two problems with the latter concept: we've been told there's no heat yet alone no oxygen in outer space; so how could all the bazillion suns in outer space produce no heat remnants whatsoever and how can a flame as we know it here on earth exist without oxygen?

but only God knows what CERN is really trying to accomplish; we've been told (one of many "officious" stories) they're researching, looking for/expanding on the "God particle"- since when is universal, unconditional love a particle?

Cardlilac, I do not know where you might have gotten an impression that black holes are just another fear bugaboo we have been subjected to. There seems to be only one or maybe two people in the world who are now waging a campaign warning us about the LHC and these scientists are ridiculed by the mainstream so this is hardly a PTB ploy to distract us. The only argument that CERN has (and this is the party line that it demands its physicists adhere to) is that when a quark gluon condensate is formed it will "evaporate" by "Hawking radiation" the which is a totally unproven concept. Black holes are real and conceivable of any and all sizes. Given sufficient energy (as in the collapse of a star) you can enter this super condensed state of matter. Do the cosmic black holes vanish by Hawking radiation? Anyway, just to ask you not to be so quick to dismiss this possibility, for the outcome is too terrible to contemplate, even at one chance in a million.

[ghostrider]

they must explore the fine matter particle world , beyond quarks , and get to chronons , one day we will travel faster than light millions of times over ... we will develope energy screens that allow cosmic space travel ... cern is small potatoes , when they try and make a second sun , that's when I'm concerned , which they will according to the henok prophecies ...our ET friends have been sending impulses to scientist , we are in the new age , where information travels faster than ever before ... this is all just the tip of the iceberg ...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hmm, in the book Cradle of Saturn, doesn't Saturn become a second sun (or am I thinking of another book?)?

:)

[Frederick Jackson]

The CERN Large Hadron Collider generates powerful magnetic fields that may be triggering earthquakes. Has anyone been tracking the LHC operations over the past several years and correlating these operations with earthquake activity globally? Any models of the LHC generated magnetic fields and earth structure interactions? Any more references other than
http://cerntruth.wordpress.com/?

[Gardener]

Apparently on a long shutdown for repair...failed to fire correctly on Dec 19-20 and being upgraded.
Here from horses mouth.

Large Hadron Collider (LHC) has provided physicists with a huge quantity of data to analyse since the first physics run in 2009. Now it's time for the machine, along with CERN's other accelerators, to get a facelift. "Long Shutdown 1" (LS1) will begin on 14 February 2013, but this doesn’t mean that life at CERN will be any less rich and exciting. Although there will be no collisions for a period of almost two years, the whole CERN site will be a hive of activity, with large-scale work under way to modernize the infrastructure and prepare the LHC for operation at higher energy.
http://home.web.cern.ch/about/updates/2013/02/long-shutdown-1-exciting-times-ahead

[Bob]

CERN'S Large Hadron Collider has the potential of producing microscopic non evaporating black holes and other collision products that may destroy the planet. The odds of this happening will increase dramatically in 2015 as the energy is planned to reach 10 Tev. I am surprised no thread exists on this topic. I urge all of you to check out this link.

http://cerntruth.wordpress.com/


Hi Frederick - I am going to put the three reference links here where in 2 of them, you have asked some slightly different way about CERN's LHC - so folks can come up to speed on the posts in those threads. It may be helpful to readers and a refresh of the thoughts expressed. Hope it helps. Questioning how magnetics are effected is interesting as well as earthquakes..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69001-CERN-LHC-and-EArthquakes - CERN-LHC-and-Earthquakes
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66626-Increasing-earthquake-activity - Increasing-Earthquake-Activity (and the possibility that CERN LHC is inducing such)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68837-New-62-Mile-Haldron-Collider-CERN-on-Steroids&highlight=large+hadron - 62 Mile Hadron Collider - CERN on Steroids


http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jonathonkeats/files/2014/02/fontana.lhc_.lo_.jpg

btw, Forbes it seems did an op ed http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathonkeats/2014/02/25/cern-experiment-shows-why-every-artist-needs-a-particle-accelerator-and-vice-versa/ - Why Every Artist Needs a particle Accelerator and Vice Versa .. downplaying any concerns about using the LHC

"On May 20, 2005, the Swiss artist Gianni Motti challenged some hydrogen protons to a foot race. Walking through the tunnel of the Large Hadron Collider – the world’s biggest particle accelerator – he averaged a pace of three miles per hour. The protons were faster, circling the 17-mile loop at 186,282 miles per second. Motti never tried racing them again.

"Motti’s foot race was not only tolerated by CERN – the European consortium that operates the LHC – but was actively solicited as the first in a series of artist commissions.

"While the LHC is now most famous for finding the Higgs boson, those artist interventions have become an essential aspect of the particle accelerator’s identity as a space for creative collaboration across the sciences and humanities. This evolving relationship will be explored next Monday in a panel discussion organized by Swissnex San Francisco and the Exploratorium.

"The power of Motti’s performance ­– beyond his deadpan theatrics ­– was that he sought a connection between our everyday experience and a realm known only through indirect observation. Motti literally carried out the sort of thought experiment undertaken by physicists including Albert Einstein and Richard Feynman, who imagined themselves in the position of photons and electrons in order to theorize their behaviors.

"More recently the American sound artist Bill Fontana ­– who will be one of the panelists next week – spent a couple months at CERN listening to the LHC and recording what he heard. His sonic surveillance of protons under acceleration accentuates the machine noise that physicists strive to eliminate from their experiments. Making it music, Fontana calls attention to how much is missed through our efforts to filter and sift.

"The Large Hadron Collider was built to explore the unknown. That’s an ambition the sciences and arts have in common even when their tools are different. The work undertaken by Fontana and Motti shows that a machine as complex as the LHC can be a tool for both sorts of investigation. Vast artistic potential remains, from the visual (e.g., capturing social interactions between CERN scientists using LHC data visualization) to the conceptual (e.g., attempting to fix the damage done to subatomic particles after a collision). Explored by artists and scientists in collaboration, the LHC leads in myriad directions."

Apparently they don't seem to think the LHC is going to blow up the world..

[ghostrider]

If Cern and it's experiment in particle collision is connected to quakes ... in total , our way of life is causing our problems ... earth humans never consider their potential harm caused by their actions ... They really don't know what will happen smashing tiny particles together , it could cause anything , we are in uncharted territory ...the speed of the particles is connected to timespace ... We should limit our actions as not to cause harm to others ...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

The thing that makes me wonder is, that Rodin Coil thread from last night --

if our earth's gravity field or magfield looks like a toroid, and it doesn't self-induce, meaning it doesn't NORMALLY mess up its own load (it takes an outside source to induce a disturbance in the so-called "Rodin Coil" we talked about yesterday because it self-distributes and shares its own small imbalances),

Then what would happen if a machine was built (a LHC or something similar) that is capable of generating a similar field, or inducing error into the existing magnetic field of the earth? Wouldn't that mess up gravity, earthquakes, etc.? even continental drift would be affected and perhaps accelerated.

I guess what I am saying should be in a picture for better understanding:

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/500x500q90/196/diz7.png

http://home.web.cern.ch/about/engineering/pulling-together-superconducting-electromagnets

"All the magnets on the LHC are electromagnets. The main dipoles generate powerful 8.4 tesla magnetic fields – more than 100,000 times more powerful than the Earth’s magnetic field. The electromagnets use a current of 11,850 amperes to produce the field, and a superconducting coil allows the high currents to flow without losing any energy to electrical resistance."

Now please look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging

"Inductive charging (also known as "wireless charging") uses an electromagnetic field to transfer energy between two objects. This is usually done with a charging station. Energy is sent through an inductive coupling to an electrical device, which can then use that energy to charge batteries or run the device.

Induction chargers typically use an induction coil to create an alternating electromagnetic field from within a charging base station, and a second induction coil in the portable device takes power from the electromagnetic field and converts it back into electrical current to charge the battery. The two induction coils in proximity combine to form an electrical transformer.[1][2] Greater distances between sender and receiver coils can be achieved when the inductive charging system uses resonant inductive coupling."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_energy_transfer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_energy_transfer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B6rster_resonance_energy_transfer

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http://cds.cern.ch/record/1569436?ln=en

CERN-ACC-2013-0041

Title Update on Beam Induced RF Heating in the LHC
Salvant, B (CERN) ; Aberle, O (CERN) ; Arduini, G (CERN) ; Assmann, R (CERN) ; Baglin, V (CERN) ; Barnes, M (CERN) ; Bartmann, W (CERN) ; Baudrenghien, P (CERN) ; Berrig, O (CERN) ; Bracco, C (CERN) Show all 54 authors

12 May 2013. - 3 p.
Presented: 4th International Particle Accelerator Conference, Shanghai, China, 12 - 17 May 2013

Subject category: Accelerators and Storage Rings

Abstract

Since June 2011 the rapid increase of the luminosity performance of the LHC has come at the expense of both increased temperature and pressure of specific, near-beam, LHC equipment. In some cases, this beam induced heating has caused delays while equipment cool-down, beam dumps and even degradation of some devices. This contribution gathers the observations of beam induced heating, attributed to longitudinal beam coupling impedance, their current level of understanding and possible actions planned to be implemented during the 1st LHC Long Shutdown (LS1) in 2013-2014.
Submitted by elisabeth.gavriil@cern.ch


http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.139.3147&rep=rep1&type=pdf


BEAM INDUCED HEATING OF THE SPS FAST PULSED MAGNETS
J. Uythoven, G. Arduini, T. Bohl, F. Caspers, E.H. Gaxiola, T. Kroyer, M. Timmins, L. Vos
CERN, Geneva, Switzerland



http://scitation.aip.org/content/avs/journal/jvstb/3/1/10.1116/1.583283


Computer‐aided analysis of electron beam induced heating, melting, and resolidification of metals and semiconductors

Manoj K. Bhattacharyya1, David T. Tuma1 and Zoltan J. Cendes1
+ VIEW AFFILIATIONS
J. Vac. Sci. Technol. B 3, 441 (1985); http://dx.doi.org/10.1116/1.583283

The problem of heating, melting, and resolidification of solid targets by collimated electron beams is discussed. The transient multiphase moving boundary problem has been solved by the finite element method using an enthalpy formulation. The effect of electron beam penetration and material properties variation with temperature have been taken into consideration. Results are presented for the extent of melting for copper and silicon. The velocity of resolidification for copper is 10–20 m/s, whereas for silicon it is about 1–3 m/s. The results agree very well with published experimental measurements.

http://care-hhh.web.cern.ch/CARE-HHH/Literature/lhc-zimmermann.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer


Toroidal transformers are built around a ring-shaped core, which, depending on operating frequency, is made from a long strip of silicon steel or permalloy wound into a coil, powdered iron, or ferrite.[53]

A strip construction ensures that the grain boundaries are optimally aligned, improving the transformer's efficiency by reducing the core's reluctance. The closed ring shape eliminates air gaps inherent in the construction of an E-I core.[21] The cross-section of the ring is usually square or rectangular, but more expensive cores with circular cross-sections are also available. The primary and secondary coils are often wound concentrically to cover the entire surface of the core. This minimizes the length of wire needed, and also provides screening to minimize the core's magnetic field from generating electromagnetic interference.

Toroidal transformers are more efficient than the cheaper laminated E-I types for a similar power level. Other advantages compared to E-I types, include smaller size (about half), lower weight (about half), less mechanical hum (making them superior in audio amplifiers), lower exterior magnetic field (about one tenth), low off-load losses (making them more efficient in standby circuits), single-bolt mounting, and greater choice of shapes. The main disadvantages are higher cost and limited power capacity (see Classification parameters below). Because of the lack of a residual gap in the magnetic path, toroidal transformers also tend to exhibit higher inrush current, compared to laminated E-I types.

Ferrite toroidal cores are used at higher frequencies, typically between a few tens of kilohertz to hundreds of megahertz, to reduce losses, physical size, and weight of inductive components. A drawback of toroidal transformer construction is the higher labor cost of winding. This is because it is necessary to pass the entire length of a coil winding through the core aperture each time a single turn is added to the coil. As a consequence, toroidal transformers rated more than a few kVA are uncommon. Small distribution transformers may achieve some of the benefits of a toroidal core by splitting it and forcing it open, then inserting a bobbin containing primary and secondary windings.

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http://www.tinitron.com/images/tro1%20copy.jpg
"Worlds largest toroid is 2 feet in diameter." (???)


Anyone else think that is a lie?^

Me too:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/LHC.svg/250px-LHC.svg.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATLAS_experiment


ATLAS (A Toroidal LHC Apparatus)[1] is one of the seven particle detector experiments (ALICE, ATLAS, CMS, TOTEM, LHCb, LHCf and MoEDAL) constructed at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a particle accelerator at CERN (the European Organization for Nuclear Research) in Switzerland. The experiment is designed to take advantage of the unprecedented energy available at the LHC and observe phenomena that involve highly massive particles which were not observable using earlier lower-energy accelerators. It might shed light on new theories of particle physics beyond the Standard Model.

ATLAS is 45 metres long, 25 metres in diameter, and weighs about 7,000 tons. The experiment is a collaboration involving roughly 3,000 physicists from over 175 institutions in 38 countries.[2] The project was led for the first 15 years by Peter Jenni and between 2009 and 2013 was headed by Fabiola Gianotti. Since 2013 it has been headed by David Charlton. It was one of the two LHC experiments involved in the discovery[3] of a particle consistent with the Higgs boson in July 2012.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_frPILdvPYyI/TEjagIzYt9I/AAAAAAAADbs/68EZGuq6CPk/s1600/AtlasShrugged.jpg

"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project

Other uses of Toroidal technology in clandestine experiments:

http://bell.greyfalcon.us/newbell.html


Simply put, the TR-3B's claim to use an MHD torus filled with a "virtual plasma" of high-pressure mercury is strikingly similar to the unrelated claims of Igor Witkoski about the construction of the Nazi Bell device, as well as anecdotal evidence relating to other instances of AG-effects in mercury in the presence of RF-fields. Additionally, a plasma-toroid is the only means of replicating some aspects of Eugene Podkletnov's superconductor experiments on a larger scale than achievable through traditional Type-II ceramic superconductors (plasma's and SC's both absorb magnetic field lines). It should be noted that none of the invidividuals in any of these claims were aware of each other's existence when they published their work, making the similarities quite striking...

https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/


As I hypothesize this device worked, vapourised Mercury was spun in a magnetic field to provide excited electrons. Mercury is known to fluoresce easily. Under the influence of an elctro-magnetic filed electrons would disassociate from their atomic nucleii and would swirl around the machine much like a doughnut shaped plasma (toroid). As photons collided with free electrons those collision would generate X-rays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Tokamak_fields_lg.png/200px-Tokamak_fields_lg.png


A tokamak is a device using a magnetic field to confine a plasma in the shape of a torus. Achieving a stable plasma equilibrium requires magnetic field lines that move around the torus in a helical shape. Such a helical field can be generated by adding a toroidal field (traveling around the torus in circles) and a poloidal field (traveling in circles orthogonal to the toroidal field). In a tokamak, the toroidal field is produced by electromagnets that surround the torus, and the poloidal field is the result of a toroidal electric current that flows inside the plasma. This current is induced inside the plasma with a second set of electromagnets.

The tokamak is one of several types of magnetic confinement devices, and is one of the most-researched candidates for producing controlled thermonuclear fusion power. Magnetic fields are used for confinement since no solid material could withstand the extremely high temperature of the plasma. An alternative to the tokamak is the stellarator.

Tokamaks were invented in the 1950s by Soviet physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov, inspired by an original idea of Oleg Lavrentiev.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellarator


A stellarator is a device used to confine a hot plasma with magnetic fields in order to sustain a controlled nuclear fusion reaction. It is one of the earliest controlled fusion devices, first invented by Lyman Spitzer in 1950 and built the next year at what later became the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory. The name refers to the possibility of harnessing the power source of the sun, a stellar object.

Stellarators were popular in the 1950s and 60s, but the much better results from tokamak designs led to them falling from favor in the 1970s. More recently, in the 1990s, problems with the tokamak concept have led to renewed interest in the stellarator design,[1] and a number of new devices have been built. Some important modern stellarator experiments are Wendelstein 7-X, in Germany, the Helically Symmetric Experiment (HSX) in USA and the Large Helical Device, in Japan.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Stellarator_Wendelstein_7-X_Planar-Spulen_Vermessung.jpg/220px-Stellarator_Wendelstein_7-X_Planar-Spulen_Vermessung.jpg

The LHC could be some kind of primitive Star-Lighter :(

Remember that at first, even the Nazis were apparently unaware of the potential of nuclear physics.

Combined with Tesla technology, can you imagine what could be possible?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_of_fire

In a literary context, the Wheel of Fire may refer to the chain of tortuous or dire consequences that result from a single action.

The Wheel of Fire originates in Greek Mythology as the punishment for Ixion, who was bound to a wheel of fire for lusting after Zeus's wife, Hera.

The Wheel of Fire is part of the Aristotelian reading of a tragedy (e.g. plays), which includes the central flaw within a character. In Shakespeare's tragedy Othello, the flaw in Othello himself is his vulnerability to jealousy and his tendency to believe Iago, who is manipulating Othello into believing his wife is unfaithful. As a result of this flaw Othello loses a loyal friend, murders his wife, and is driven insane before eventually committing suicide. In this scenario the Wheel of Fire begins with the action of Othello trusting Iago and consequently the other events occur.

The Wheel of Fire is most commonly applied to the protagonist within a tragedy (i.e. the hero) and may aim to provoke sympathy from the audience when the hero falls from grace (this purging of emotions is known as catharsis), though it also adds dramatic interest to the performance.

The Wheel of Fire is also the title of G. Wilson Knight's book on Shakespearean tragedy.

In Shakespeare's King Lear, Lear states: "But I am bound upon a wheel of fire, / That mine own tears do scald like molten lead"

In J. R. R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings the One Ring is described as a "wheel of fire".

“I begin to see it in my mind all the time, like a great wheel of fire.” -- Frodo Baggins speaking to Samwise Gamgee.

Also: "A crouching shape, scarcely more than the shadow of a living thing, a creature now wholly ruined and defeated, yet filled with a hideous lust and rage; and before it stood stern, untouchable now by pity, a figure robed in white, but at its breast it held a wheel of fire." -- A description of Gollum and Frodo, respectively, as seen by Samwise.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gCCLfa9SYtM/TGw-L96JFDI/AAAAAAAAAoo/18m3vF5lvvA/s1600/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-The-One-Ring-3D-Screensaver_2.jpg

http://www.roswellufomuseum.com/images/research/topics/nazis/nazi5.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

CERN'S Large Hadron Collider ..
Hi - I merged your two recent threads discussing CERN'S Large Hadron Collider (LHC), whether it is a threat to our planet and whether it causes earthquakes. The two topics seemed closely enough related to better be handled in a single thread, not two.

[Frederick Jackson]

they must explore the fine matter particle world , beyond quarks , and get to chronons , one day we will travel faster than light millions of times over ... we will develope energy screens that allow cosmic space travel ... cern is small potatoes , when they try and make a second sun , that's when I'm concerned , which they will according to the henok prophecies ...our ET friends have been sending impulses to scientist , we are in the new age , where information travels faster than ever before ... this is all just the tip of the iceberg ...

It is my hope that one ET guest or another will put a stop to LHC operations should this eventuality arise, namely, that there be an an imminent danger of our creating a planet gobbling mass bomb in the LHC when it is powered up to 10Tev in 2015. :wizard:

[Frederick Jackson]

CERN'S Large Hadron Collider has the potential of producing microscopic non evaporating black holes and other collision products that may destroy the planet. The odds of this happening will increase dramatically in 2015 as the energy is planned to reach 10 Tev. I am surprised no thread exists on this topic. I urge all of you to check out this link.

http://cerntruth.wordpress.com/

The following interview may help to understand Dr. Rossler's concerns and his relationship to the physics establishment.

http://www.science20.com/big_science_gambles/blog/interview_professor_otto_r%C3%B6ssler_takes_lhc-31449

While I am at it here is a short piece on the establishment view regarding black hole creation in the LHC:

http://www.livescience.com/27811-creating-mini-black-holes.html

[Qauntumreverse]

It will fail

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Here is some food for thought:

http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.physics/2008-08/msg00840.html

Re: What happens when you force opposing magnetic fields together?

From: jonas.thornvall@xxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:33:44 -0700 (PDT)

On 7 Aug, 02:28, PD <TheDraperFam...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 6, 3:18 am, jim <j...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

If you have 2 very strong neo magnets and mount them such that you can
force the opposing magnetic fields together, what would happen?

Would the fields collapse?

What other things may occur?

jim

The fields don't collapse. There's actually quite a bit of energy
stored in that field, almost as much as the mechanical work you did
pushing them together.

There's a small fraction of that energy that will go into reversing
some of the ferromagnetic domains in each of the magnets, and that
energy will likely show up as heat in the neodyn.

PD

If you build a simple magnetic levitator using repelling forces, with
a big homogen repelling magnet on top and small rod magnets mounted on
shafts in a grid creating the uplifting field.

Suppose the base field use static diametrically charged rod magnets,
configured in a chess board grid where you some lines is static and
other spinning.

Is it necessairly that spinning the spinshafts in the grid, will
necessarily take more enery then you can get from the repulsion and
freefall of homogen upper magnet?

strange huh? The reason I googled "two conflicting magnetic fields" was because of what another poster (above somewhere!) said about earthquake/feedback/anomalous heat/etc. possibly being generated by a strong magnetic field produced by a machine such as the LHC. I wondered if the thing COULD pinpoint a distant site on the globe, and via inducing heat or vibration, etc., some sort of reaction at the remote site, cause a seismic event, or worse.

http://aerorocket.com/MagLev.html

(1) LEVITATION USING STATIC MAGNETIC FIELDS TOP
MagLev-1A levitation device based on the use of several ceramic magnets has been developed to demonstrate that levitation can be achieved using a single thread to vertically secure a levitated magnetic device from below while the levitated magnetic device is also being supported from below using the mutual repulsion of opposing magnetic fields.

It is simple to achieve levitation using a single thread to secure a levitated magnetic device from below while it is also being supported from above using another magnet of opposite polarity. However, using a single thread to vertically secure a levitated magnetic device from below while the levitated magnetic device is also being supported from below requires the levitated device to be located in a uniform magnetic field of opposing polarity. In the design presented below the bottom-mounted thread is used to "pull" the levitated upper magnet into the potential well of the support magnetic field located below. If the levitated magnetic device drifts into the negative curvature portion of the support magnetic field the levitated magnetic device will tip over and become unstable. The split design of the support magnetic field device provides a larger potential well for the levitated magnetic device resulting in greater overall stability.

To assure the levitated magnetic device is located in the potential well of the support magnetic field a mechanism to position the thread support-point relative to the center of the split support magnets is illustrated below. The upper Plexiglas plate is positioned and secured using two cap screws until the levitated magnetic device is centered and stable. In this configuration the levitated magnetic device is stable and will not crash even while carrying the system from place to place.

Levitation without the physical constraint of a bottom-mounted thread is possible if the levitated magnetic device is allowed to rotate like a top and if the proper amount of ballast or weight is added. The precession or gyroscopic action of the spinning magnetic device provides sufficient flipping resistance (torque) to prevent the top from overturning and aligning north to south with the base magnet. Also, the ballast acts to push the top into the potential well of the support magnet where the magnetic lines of force are optimum. As an example of this technology the Levitron Anti-Gravity Top achieves levitation without external constraint by using gyroscopic precession to counter the torque engendered by opposing magnetic fields and weight adjustments for optimum vertical top placement within the support magnetic field. However, gyroscopic levitation is a challenge to achieve and difficult to maintain because of temperature related effects on magnetic field strength. A totally new product called the Levitron Anti-Gravity Globe (see Figure-7b) overcomes the Earnshaw theorem constraint problem by using an electronically controlled electromagnet to properly position a levitated UFO within the support magnetic field. However, time varying magnetic fields not static magnetic fields are used to achieve levitation. The electronic kit provided by this link shows how levitation is achieved using a linear Hall effect sensor combined with an electromagnet to levitate a very small device containing one or more rare earth magnets. However, this article admits the technology is not scalable to larger sizes.

The object of this work is to remove as many constraints (degrees of freedom) as possible from the levitating magnetic device without violating Earnshaw's theorem. Earnshaw's theorem states that no static arrangements of magnetic or electric charges can be stable, alone or under gravity. More information on the use of static magnetic fields to achieve levitation using a minimum number of constraints will be posted here as work continues...

Very strange, I want to find out more about the "potential well"....

Something on Amazon about "magnetic potential well" allegedly written by a Russian: but no picture??? no reviews???


http://www.amazon.com/Magnetic-levitation-magnetic-potential-effect/dp/B0006S4W32
Magnetic levitation based on magnetic potential well (MPW) effect (SAE) Unknown Binding – January 1, 1991
by V. S Mikhalevich (Author)

Series: SAE
Unknown Binding: 4 pages
Publisher: Society of Automotive Engineers (1991)
Language: English
ASIN: B0006S4W32

"Anharmonicity" what a weird word, right?


http://arxiv.org/abs/1307.5429
Probing the anharmonicity of the potential well for magnetic vortex core in nanodot

O.V. Sukhostavets, B. Pigeau, G. de Loubens, V.V. Naletov, O. Klein, K. Mitsuzuka, S. Andrieu, F. Montaigne, K.Y. Guslienko
(Submitted on 20 Jul 2013 (v1), last revised 5 Nov 2013 (this version, v2))
The anharmonicity of the potential well confining the position of the magnetic vortex core is measured dynamically with a Magnetic Resonance Force Microscope (MRFM). The stray field of the MRFM tip is used to displace the core position away from the well minimum. Anharmonicity is then inferred from the relative frequency shift induced on the eigen-frequency of the vortex core translational mode. Traces of these shifts are recorded while scanning the tip above an isolated nanodot, patterned out of a single crystal FeV film. An analytical framework is proposed to analyze the data. It results in a quantitative measurement of the anharmonic coefficient found to be positive and 50% of the parabolic contribution. This calibrates the tunability of the gyrotropic mode by external magnetic fields. In our sample, we observe a variation of the eigen-frequency as high as +10% for a displacement of the vortex core to about one third of the nanodot radius.
Comments: 5 pages, 4 figures
Subjects: Mesoscale and Nanoscale Physics (cond-mat.mes-hall)
Cite as: arXiv:1307.5429 [cond-mat.mes-hall]
(or arXiv:1307.5429v2 [cond-mat.mes-hall] for this version)
Submission history
From: Olivier Klein [view email]
[v1] Sat, 20 Jul 2013 14:16:53 GMT (1996kb,D)
[v2] Tue, 5 Nov 2013 15:09:09 GMT (2594kb,D)


okay, so what then is a "relative frequency shift"?

http://journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.131.1530


ABSTRACT
In a magnetic medium the nuclear spins are coupled by the indirect Suhl-Nakamura interaction. This interaction contributes to the nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) linewidth and gives rise to a shift in the NMR frequency which is important in the helium-temperature range for materials with a large concentration of nuclear spins and a large interaction range, b. When this frequency pulling is appreciable, there exists a relative narrowing of the NMR line of the same order of magnitude as the relative frequency shift. This narrowing arises because the motions of the nuclear spins within the interaction range, b, are correlated.

DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.1103/PhysRev.131.1530

Received 1 April 1963Published in the issue dated August 1963
© 1963 The American Physical Society

I feel even more like WTF at this point.
Let's try once more.


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Not quite, but:

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Title:
Cyclotron frequency shifts arising from polarization forces
Authors:
Thompson, James K.; Rainville, Simon; Pritchard, David E.
Publication:
Nature, Volume 430, Issue 6995, pp. 58-61 (2004). (Nature Homepage)
Publication Date:
07/2004
Origin:
NATURE
DOI:
10.1038/nature02682
Bibliographic Code:
2004Natur.430...58T
Abstract

The cyclotron frequency of a charged particle in a uniform magnetic field B is related to its mass m and charge q by the relationship ωc = qB/m. This simple relationship forms the basis for sensitive mass comparisons using ion cyclotron resonance mass spectroscopy, with applications ranging from the identification of biomolecules and the study of chemical reaction rates to determinations of the fine structure constant of atomic spectra. Here we report the observation of a deviation from the cyclotron frequency relationship for polarizable particles: in high-accuracy measurements of a single CO+ ion, a dipole induced in the orbiting ion shifts the measured cyclotron frequency. We use this cyclotron frequency shift to measure non-destructively the quantum state of the CO+ ion. The effect also provides a means to determine to a few per cent the body-frame dipole moment of CO+, thus establishing a method for measuring dipole moments of molecular ions for which few comparably accurate measurements exist. The general perturbation that we describe here affects the most precise mass comparisons attainable today, with applications including direct tests of Einstein's mass-energy relationship and charge-parity-time reversal symmetry, and possibly the weighing of chemical bonds.

Which brings us I suppose to Einstein and Mass-Energy Equivalence (which might be a supposition more than a fact!):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence


"E=MC2" redirects here. For other uses, see E=MC2 (disambiguation).

In physics, mass–energy equivalence is the concept that the mass of an object or system is a measure of its energy content. For instance, adding 25 kilowatt-hours (90 megajoules) of any form(s) of energy to any object increases its mass by 1 microgram.

A physical system has a property called energy and a corresponding property called mass; the two properties are equivalent in that they are always both present in the same (i.e. constant) proportion to one another. Mass–energy equivalence arose originally from special relativity, as developed by Albert Einstein, who proposed this equivalence in 1905 in one of his Annus Mirabilis papers entitled "Does the inertia of an object depend upon its energy content?"[1] The equivalence of energy E and mass m is reliant on the speed of light c and is described by the famous equation:

E = mc^2.

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Thus, this mass–energy relation states that the universal proportionality factor between equivalent amounts of energy and mass is equal to the speed of light squared. This also serves to convert units of mass to units of energy, no matter what system of measurement units is used.

If a body is stationary, it still has some internal or intrinsic energy, called its rest energy. Rest mass and rest energy are equivalent and remain proportional to one another. When the body is in motion (relative to an observer), its total energy is greater than its rest energy. The rest mass (or rest energy) remains an important quantity in this case because it remains the same regardless of this motion, even for the extreme speeds or gravity considered in special and general relativity; thus it is also called the invariant mass.

On the one hand, the equation E = mc2 can be applied to rest mass (m or m0) and rest energy (E0) to show their proportionality as E0 = m0c2.[2]

On the other hand, it can also be applied to the total energy (Etot or simply E) and total mass of a moving body. The total mass is also called the relativistic mass mrel as it is not significantly greater than the rest mass until the speed approaches that of light, where special relativity should be used in order to describe the motion. Therefore, the total energy and total mass are related by E = mrelc2.[3]

Thus, the mass–energy relation E = mc2 can be used to relate the rest energy to the rest mass, or to relate the total energy to the total mass. To instead relate the total energy or mass to the rest energy or mass, a generalization of the mass–energy relation is required: the energy–momentum relation.

E = mc2 has frequently been used as an explanation for the origin of energy in nuclear processes, but such processes can be understood as simply converting nuclear potential energy, without the need to invoke mass–energy equivalence. Instead, mass–energy equivalence merely indicates that the large amounts of energy released in such reactions may exhibit enough mass that the mass loss may be measured, when the released energy (and its mass) have been removed from the system. For example, the loss of mass to an atom and a neutron, as a result of the capture of the neutron and the production of a gamma ray, has been used to test mass–energy equivalence to high precision, as the energy of the gamma ray may be compared with the mass defect after capture. In 2005, these were found to agree to 0.0004%, the most precise test of the equivalence of mass and energy to date. This test was performed in the World Year of Physics 2005, a centennial celebration of Einstein's achievements in 1905.[4]

Einstein was not the first to propose a mass–energy relationship (see the History section). However, Einstein was the first scientist to propose the E = mc2 formula and the first to interpret mass–energy equivalence as a fundamental principle that follows from the relativistic symmetries of space and time.

Rest Energy and can it be increased remotely?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invariant_mass#Rest_energy

Rest energy

The rest energy E_0 of a particle is defined as:

E_0=m_0 c^2,
where c is the speed of light in a vacuum.[1] In general, only differences in energy have physical significance.[2]

The concept of rest energy follows from the Special theory of relativity that leads to Einstein's famous conclusion about equivalence of energy and mass. See background for mass–energy equivalence.

On the other hand, the concept of the equivalent Dirac invariant rest mass may be defined in terms of the self energy corresponding to the product of a geometric matter current and a generalized potential [3] as part of a single definition of mass in a geometric unified theory.

Thermally Excited Gravity Waves:


http://eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/60_Interac.pdf

Please check it out

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also:


http://books.google.com/books?id=uMU-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA275&lpg=PA275&dq=earth+crust+region+of+excitation&source=bl&ots=RjOxv_hRjk&sig=1pkC-zmfS9iDM9LGuDblbvCr4Ek&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5wM1U-7JIamwyQHavoDoDA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=earth%20crust%20region%20of%20excitation&f=false

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Can a LHC or similar (larger?) device cause "remote excitation" of the crust/atmosphere of the earth?

Can HAARP-type devices, when operated with a guiding mechanism, such as an LHC or similar device, cause "remote excitation" of the crust/atmosphere/ocean?

Not even considering "black hole" type effects, even temporarily-generated effects -- but the very real and persistent effect of having used magnetism to remotely charge part of planet earth (or other bodies!) and cause a change in the ecosystems.

@@ food for thought!

[kirolak]

Wish I understood the science better. . . I seem to bypass the brain when faced with equations; but intuitively this makes sense.

[Qauntumreverse]

Can you give me an opinion on the following hypothesis? :Earth has an integrated "circuit" that combines man-made sympathetic technology for example LHC-like tech/HARP-like tech that interfaces to ancient technology such as the network of pyramids on the surface, hidden resonance "cavities" under the earth, other ancient "particle accelerators" (placed at grid points indicated by Bruce Cathy). This planetary wide "system" acts as a interdimensional "receiver" for a non locational signal/"quantum-pattern" that influences the flow of time projected thru the electromagnetic portals/cords connecting planets/stars/heavy mass objects in the solar system (mainly Mars/Phobos being the main carrier station for this "signal"). The current "pattern" being out of phase of the natural quantum pattern/template being acted out as a type of script in false time like a mind virus(observer effect) that fosters the conditions for the perpetual wars/corruption/mind-kontrol/false karmic-law/false reality ect.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

@ Kirolak: i don't understand it either -- where a scientist would see a whole picture, I see only the silver thread -- one tiny handhold, one minute concept, at a time, lol.

Should have stayed in college !! (me)

some of what i quoted up there didn't have much to do with what I was looking for, but some of it did.

what i was really looking for is evidence of the plausibility of a device that can 'piggyback' existing fields/processes (like HAARP can I guess) and with only a small amount of energy become the catalyst for a catastrophic process...

much like the "particle pump" from Hellstrom's Hive.
it was a device that could cause earthquakes on the other side of the planet even though it was like 50 stories or more under the earth.
it was a "remote excitation device" that induced heat through magnetism or some other trick of physics.

edit:


Can you give me an opinion on the following hypothesis? :Earth has an integrated "circuit" that combines man-made sympathetic technology for example LHC-like tech/HARP-like tech that interfaces to ancient technology such as the network of pyramids on the surface, hidden resonance "cavities" under the earth, other ancient "particle accelerators" (placed at grid points indicated by Bruce Cathy). This planetary wide "system" acts as a interdimensional "receiver" for a non locational signal/"quantum-pattern" that influences the flow of time projected thru the electromagnetic portals/cords connecting planets/stars/heavy mass objects in the solar system (mainly Mars/Phobos being the main carrier station for this "signal"). The current "pattern" being out of phase of the natural quantum pattern/template being acted out as a type of script in false time like a mind virus(observer effect) that fosters the conditions for the perpetual wars/corruption/mind-kontrol/false karmic-law/false reality ect.

that's a super interesting thought, and my thread that was gutted on Prisonplanet dealt with some of the metaphysical and moral possibilities of CERN.

the "dark elves" thread also goes there (here on PA).

Didn't some people think that James Holmes had been "gotten to" this way, and also perhaps Jared Loughner?


What IS the butterfly effect and IS there such a thing as a probability field?
Like the Scarlet Witch? lol

[Qauntumreverse]

You are on the correct path according to my information, It gets even more complicated than this. From what i can tell the human devices like Cern and Harp are only amplifiers of existing "ancient" technology that has attributes that the human "controllers" dont really understand how it works directly they only know how to "align there parameters to the signal" apparently this signal has a lot to do with Mars but is non locational by being "encrypted" thru layers of artificial quantum plasmas or dimensional rifts. Looking out from with in a bubble of time would have a completely different sense of time spatial variance and cellular telemetry and the inverse is true for anyone "looking into" the bubble see a multi-located myriad of possible quantum realities with only one needle in a hey stack being the correct one. Its a very complicated affair. From what i can tell planetary alignments have a lot to do with the reset of these adverse quantum patterns that was hijacked at some stage in our early formative epoch, then "hidden" from the wider reality.

[Qauntumreverse]

The activity of the sun will send a wave over the solar system that will clear and reset the artificial layers of quantum plasmas or "nets" there are indications of increased earthquake activity around the world due to solar oscillations this will NOT cause the predicted (by sum) massive earthquakes it will be controlled to clear out these "nets" . "The antenna's will cease to broadcast" when this happens.

[Qauntumreverse]

Mars has been the location where the human body was manipulated to be susceptible to control on every level as in a "Mars gene" or "DNA cage" this also made the human mind very susceptible to the "mind kontrol" the reality that we have at this current time is very far from what it was designed to be.

[Frederick Jackson]

CERN'S Large Hadron Collider has the potential of producing microscopic non evaporating black holes and other collision products that may destroy the planet. The odds of this happening will increase dramatically in 2015 as the energy is planned to reach 10 Tev. I am surprised no thread exists on this topic. I urge all of you to check out this link.

http://cerntruth.wordpress.com/

I received this update in the mail from "Cerntruth", a scathing condemnation of the way the mass of humanity is bamboozled today by the "RELIGION OF TECHNOLOGY" and the way the science establishment caves into pressure to conform, especially where its paychecks are concerned. Please forgive the lack of editing. Try imagining you are a brilliant scientist, one having good reason to believe the possible destruction of the planet might be only a matter of a few years away, and then try imagine the mode in which you might be writing. Perhaps desperate? Exasperated? I begin here with the first few paragraphs of the new Cerntruth post

"Military-Industrial Complex; The Religion of Physics

I. The Military-Industrial Complex: The Ethics of technological civilizations

II. Media & The religion of Physics: ‘ex-nihilo’.

III. Facing Death: Orwellian & Existentia Point of View.

I. THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX: TECHNOLOGICAL CIVILIZATIONS

‘Technological civilization is programmed by the principle that something ought to be done because it is technologically possible. If it is possible to build nuclear weapons, they must be built, even if they might destroy us all. Once this principle is accepted, humanist Values (something has to be done because it is needed by man) are Dethroned and technological development becomes the foundation of ethics. ‘

Erich Fromm, Philosopher of Science.

‘I was the person who convinced Truman to make the Hydrogen Bomb. It was ‘knowledge’, the availability of knowledge, the need for research what convinced him.”

Edward Teller, inventor and holder of the patents of the industrial processes required to make the first planetary weapon of mass destruction, the Hydrogen Bomb. His attempts to create a planetary H-Bomb able to blow up the entire Soviet Union was backed by all the community of physicists; only Eisenhower opposed it.

‘The tragedies of History repeat themselves because men don’t learn from their mistakes,’"

For the rest of the indictment go to http://cerntruth.wordpress.com/

I think we in Project Avalon should be able to appreciate where he is coming from. The physics establishment acts like it has a good hold on the nature of reality, enough certainly not to fear the unknown. But we know that the Universe is much, much more than comprehended by our present physics. :sick:

[Frederick Jackson]

Wish I understood the science better. . . I seem to bypass the brain when faced with equations; but intuitively this makes sense.

Me too, I have a BS in Physics and a PhD in earth sciences, and believe me a lot of this stuff does not make much sense. Like special relativity. Rest mass? Resting relative to what? Oh, relative to you, or me. But relative to someone else this rest mass may be travelling at close to the speed of light. After all it is all relative. The twin paradox is irreconcilable. No wonder it took Paul Dirac (I think it was he, and no dodo of a scientist) several years to convince himself that maybe there was something valid to it.