Ukraine - an alternative look.

[miqeel]

Thanks to everyone for great comments in my previous thread -
Current situation in Ukraine - a warning (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68676-Current-situation-in-Ukraine-a-warning.)
I would like to ask you for an opinion about an interpretation of these events.

What if, the whole Ukraine event was staged "or happened" as a beginning of something good? Russia is now an enemy, which kind of unites most of the World in thinking: "We want peace". Now, that it becomes more and more apparent that there will be peace, it may happen, that some powers will use this wave of unified consciousness to completely shatter the shackles of opression?

The reason I am asking, is since over last few months, I have had a very strong feeling that "events" are unfolding exactly the way they are supposed. That the future is bright, and so on.

So the only explanation, is that the events that are occuring now, are important in the sequence of events leading to, let me call it, a good future.

Thoughts?

[giovonni]

will share this here ...


hmm ...

Thank god the Olympics were able to be finished before this crisis escalation in the Ukraine !

So then last week (out of no where) the U.S. Secretary of Defense announces future reductions in
its military personal force and then Russian invades Ukraine ...

There are no coincidences folks ... It's all a put on ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00105-wink.gif

[johnf]

I think that a general move away from centralized guvmints and banks, and extreme ideas is
highly likely in the months ahead.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z22qVxoNJ4

There are some astrological ideas on it, I don't get a lot of the details, but I think there is a lot of truth in there.
He does breifly mention Ukraine, but it is much bigger than that.

JohnF

[Frederick Jackson]

Scares me, what is going on now with Ukraine and our posturing and our recent history of hedging Russia in. (For example, NATO expansion and missile shield in Eastern Europe.) How badly do we want to bait the Russian bear? Jeez, 50 years ago we did nothing when the Russians put their foot down on Hungarian and Czech uprisings that were so very far from the Russian heartland. Now they do not even have buffer states in the Baltic, Belorus and Ukraine. How nuts is it to push Russia this way? Do we want WWIII? I have a feeling someone does, and Obama knows it. Remember that the same people who own Obama brought us the Vietnam War and the Gulf and Iraq wars. :(

PS I just noticed Bill Ryan's post today on this very subject: "JOEL SKOUSEN on World War III - and Strategic Relocation"

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I guess with things winding down in the middle east, it is tiome for a new war... I hope everyone involved plays it cool.

[superconsciousness]

Ukraine is a ramp-up for what will transpire in the Middle East towards the end of this year.

[TargeT]

will share this here ...


hmm ...

Thank god the Olympics were able to be finished before this crisis escalation in the Ukraine !

So then last week (out of no where) the U.S. Secretary of Defense announces future reductions in
its military personal force and then Russian invades Ukraine ...

There are no coincidences folks ... It's all a put on ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00105-wink.gif

hard not to scratch your head a little....

This looks like quite the step up from the Iran situation....

[giovonni]

my prediction ...

Putin will keep his naval base and Crimea will become a Russian protectorate state ...


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73297000/jpg/_73297923_021344808-1.jpg


Perhaps this is the best alternative (less violence) take over to a bankrupt Ukraine ...
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine)
What i believe we are seeing (being played out) here is an agreed to hands off coup agreement between the West and Russia ...

Most likely (eventually) the Ukraine will most probably be divided up into two arranged economic zones ...

i sense this is what the PTB have been planing in order to maintain their order ...

One has to admit it's great diversionary theater... :rolleyes:

http://img.irtve.es/imagenes/encuentro-obama-putin/1340050818860.jpg

[christian]

In general, I have the same outlook, miqeel, I think "we're on a good timeline."


Russia is now an enemy, which kind of unites most of the World in thinking: "We want peace". Now, that it becomes more and more apparent that there will be peace, it may happen, that some powers will use this wave of unified consciousness to completely shatter the shackles of opression?

This is, however, not what I perceive. I think it's pretty clear that Russia is not "the enemy," especially when you read the alternative media. Many there are even kind of happy that there is a force standing up against the destabilization and co-opted revolution where the US had been heavily involved.

The way I see it, there are many factions at work (Russia, US, Yanukovych, Yatsenyuk, ...) that want to control the population and are less than benign. I don't see a consciousness that is unified in opposition against Russia, however, I do see humanity coming to the realization that we don't want to go to war against each other anymore, especially not at the behest of megalomaniacs.

[giovonni]

In general, I have the same outlook, miqeel, I think "we're on a good timeline."


Russia is now an enemy, which kind of unites most of the World in thinking: "We want peace". Now, that it becomes more and more apparent that there will be peace, it may happen, that some powers will use this wave of unified consciousness to completely shatter the shackles of opression?

This is, however, not what I perceive. I think it's pretty clear that Russia is not "the enemy," especially when you read the alternative media. Many there are even kind of happy that there is a force standing up against the destabilization and co-opted revolution where the US had been heavily involved.

The way I see it, there are many factions at work (Russia, US, Janukovych, Yanukovych, Yatsenyk, ...) that want to control the population and are less than benign. I don't see a consciousness that is unified in opposition against Russia, however, I do see humanity coming to the realization that we don't want to go to war against each other anymore, especially not at the behest of megalomaniacs.

i duly agree !

[Craig]

I do remember reading in a few places that the answer to moving forward does come from Russia, - ringing cedars I believe was one source, I could be mistaken, unfortunately though I don't think we are on a good timeline yet, just that one has to dig deeper to see the evil hidden, mind you it is a feeling but until all of us are free then I can't see it as a good timeline, just one person locked in a cellar, one person sold on the sex market, one person sacrificed in a bizarre ritual is too much.

[ghostrider]

Food will be the new gold , and ukraine they say has rich farmland ...

[ghostrider]

We've had enough war , if humanity on earth wants peace , I know how it sounds but , lets just stop fighting each other ... I'm so tired of bombs , death , destruction , hospital pictures of children missing limbs , and patches on their eyes , and the crying young wife holding a flag instead of holding her new husband ... , refuse evil in all it's forms ...

[mrchunkytown]

Food will be the new gold , and ukraine they say has rich farmland ...
i agree, i think there is a much bigger plan in the works and EVERYONE; US, Russia, China, EU. they're all involved in it and they are all pushing for the same goal. personally, i think the whole Ukraine thing is just another step towards complete control by the globalist elites, and bc of the strategical significance of its geography and the rich farmlands they grabbed it up early, or it could be a catalyst for another conflict, who knows. personally, i would recommend everyone start stocking up on food water and silver and gold. bc if they're plan keeps progressing like they know it will, we are all gona be in some **** and US dollar will be nothing but tender for a fire. but thats just my personal opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...

[giovonni]

Food will be the new gold , and ukraine they say has rich farmland ...
i agree, i think there is a much bigger plan in the works and EVERYONE; US, Russia, China, EU. they're all involved in it and they are all pushing for the same goal. personally, i think the whole Ukraine thing is just another step towards complete control by the globalist elites, and bc of the strategical significance of its geography and the rich farmlands they grabbed it up early, or it could be a catalyst for another conflict, who knows. personally, i would recommend everyone start stocking up on food water and silver and gold. bc if they're plan keeps progressing like they know it will, we are all gona be in some **** and US dollar will be nothing but tender for a fire. but thats just my personal opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...

Top of any list ...

Clean Water = Life

But there is major concerns in regards to Ukraine's soil pollution and inadequate potable water supplies to be consider also.

[carryattune]

We've had enough war , if humanity on earth wants peace , I know how it sounds but , lets just stop fighting each other ... I'm so tired of bombs , death , destruction , hospital pictures of children missing limbs , and patches on their eyes , and the crying young wife holding a flag instead of holding her new husband ... , refuse evil in all it's forms ...

YOU SAID IT WELL.
He who has ears hear. People are weary of fighting. Too bad there is no really big voice to say, "BE NICE." Like on Captain Kangaroo. That big voice out of the background. BE NICE.

If there was a multiple like button. I would have tapped it many times.
Alas, I could only thank you once.

[Cardillac]

Hi all,

money makes the world go 'round so I somehow think the Ukraine crisis has to deal with (guess what?) money;

the western financial system has been panicking ever since the BRICS mv't was recently formed; Brazil/Russia/India/China/South Africa (now supposedly joined by Indonesia as well); they are by-passing the US dollar and trading among themselves in their own currencies- it's a big financial loss for the western banksters (my heart bleeds)-

the major player is, of course, Russia, so the West is trying everything in it's power to destabilize any country closest to Russia and bring it into the Anglosphere so Russia can be choked-off-

I somehow don't think Putin (if he's really still his own person) will allow this- hence the Ukraine crisis and subsequent occupation by Russian troops-

Larry

[skippy]

This thing will settle down in a couple of days. Time is money, and history doesn't like to be lagged. :) Just like recently in Cyprus (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57024-Bank-Theft-during-long-weekend-in-Cyprus-Enforced-6.75-10-taken-from-all-savings-accounts.&p=650712&viewfull=1#post650712) and Syria, also the Ukrainian crisis will evaporate like a morning mist. Nothing to worry about, just a ripple at the surface. Next week, the Dow Jones, S&P and Nasdaq will reach new record highs.

[Etherios]

This thing will settle down in a couple of days. Time is money, and history doesn't like to be lagged. :) Just like recently in Cyprus (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57024-Bank-Theft-during-long-weekend-in-Cyprus-Enforced-6.75-10-taken-from-all-savings-accounts.&p=650712&viewfull=1#post650712) and Syria, also the Ukrainian crisis will evaporate like a morning mist. Nothing to worry about, just a ripple at the surface. Next week, the Dow Jones, S&P and Nasdaq will reach new record highs.

You do know thousand of lives are messed up and even many people die on these ... ripples...

[TargeT]

Hi all,

money makes the world go 'round so I somehow think the Ukraine crisis has to deal with (guess what?) money;

the western financial system has been panicking ever since the BRICS mv't was recently formed; Brazil/Russia/India/China/South Africa (now supposedly joined by Indonesia as well); they are by-passing the US dollar and trading among themselves in their own currencies- it's a big financial loss for the western banksters (my heart bleeds)-

the major player is, of course, Russia, so the West is trying everything in it's power to destabilize any country closest to Russia and bring it into the Anglosphere so Russia can be choked-off-

I somehow don't think Putin (if he's really still his own person) will allow this- hence the Ukraine crisis and subsequent occupation by Russian troops-

Larry

Money indeed... Ukraine is very important to russia, and Russia is very important to europe (for oil and gas).
http://en.ria.ru/images/15520/63/155206369.jpg