Putin In 2014 And Now

[giovonni]

:ear:

Published on Mar 4, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKF8JN1qmk

[Calz]

No time for the vid ... but could not resist (you know me) ...

4 languages vs what???

teleprompter???


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZrjIIOWbr2s/T3ZZP20TGGI/AAAAAAAAN5o/tMqH-b_Hk54/s1600/teleprompter+crutch,+obama+cartoons.jpg

[Hervé]

You know what?

I'll have Putin as an Avalon member over Obama, anytime!

[giovonni]

You know what?

I'll have Putin as an Avalon member over Obama, anytime!

hmm ..

perhaps it time to stop emulating tyrants and billionaires.

[Azt]

Divide et impera (from Latin) Divide and conquer ... it is the same old trick ... still working as today. Forget about X and Y (Putin or Obama) they are the same , playing the same role and receiving orders from the same crew.

[sigma6]

Divide et impera (from Latin) Divide and conquer ... it is the same old trick ... still working as today. Forget about X and Y (Putin or Obama) they are the same , playing the same role and receiving orders from the same crew.

I still think there is a lot of room for interpretation in that... there are competing interests, the game is more complex than that... most of the world is not happy with the US, Canada and Britain (in the background) and the last remaining dregs of the Jesuit Power Entity pushing their global military agenda... was a dead giveaway when Baird started tooting his gazoo...

[jackovesk]

Preface: Wanna learn something on (HOW) the MSM "bend" a Story to suit their AGENDA..?

Just (Read-Between-The-Lines) on this Doozy..!!!


Things you didn’t know about Russian President Vladimir Putin


This story was published: 2 hours ago March 05, 2014 11:51AM

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Bring it. Picture: Supplied Source: NewsComAu

WE KNOW he loves to strut around shirtless, pose shamelessly for Kremlin PR photographs and invade former Soviet republics.

Whether he is providing former US security contractor Edward Snowden with asylum, designing deals to rid Syria of chemical weapons or invading Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin is easily one of the world’s biggest newsmakers.

Today, a tough talking Putin gave one of his characteristic swaggering performances while at the same time cooling tensions over Ukraine by saying he had no intentions “to fight the Ukrainian people”.

While lounging in a chair like a world-weary aristrocrat, he insisted Russia was seeking to de-escalate tensions. But his speech came as Russian troops fired warning shots at Ukrainian soldiers and Russia fired a nuclear capable missile.

It was classic confounding Putin.


German Chancellor Angela Merkel admits she is bewildered by the man in charge of one of the world’s largest countries. After speaking with Mr Putin, she said she was not sure he was in touch with reality. She is believed to have told US President Obama that Putin was “in another world.”

US Secretary of State John Kerry was equally confounded.


Responding to claims by Ukraine’s new authorities that thousands of Russian troops had poured into Crimea in recent days, Putin said that only “local forces of self-defence” were surrounding Ukrainian military bases in the region.

Asked if Russian forces took part in operations in Crimea, he said, “No, they did not participate”, adding: “There are lots of uniforms that look similar.’’

When told of Putin’s remarks by a reporter in Kiev, Kerry responded: “He really denied there were Russian forces in Crimea?” and shook his head, bewildered.

So who is the man behind the headlines and staged photographs? Here are some facts you may not know about the Russian strongman and his strategy for Russia.

He has a grand plan: Bring back the USSR

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Lucky they brought their binoculars to this boardroom meeting. Source: NewsComAu

Putin saw out the dying days of the Soviet Union working for the KGB, the former superpower’s secret police force. He was rewarded for his loyalty with several promotions.

He may still be loyal to it. Putin’s motive for invading Ukraine is debatable but a popular suggestion is he wants to rebuild a Russian Empire similar to the Soviet Union.

“Putin’s broader plan is to recreate some kind of ‘Soviet Union lite’, a ring of countries under Moscow’s control, with the goal of boosting Russia’s geopolitical standing,” Ulrich Speck, a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Europe Institute wrote for CNN this week.

“Ukraine is the cornerstone of that project. The downfall of President Yanukovych and the triumph of the popular Maidan movement in Ukraine have signalled to Moscow, however, that it is losing its grip on Ukraine and that its grand strategy is going nowhere.”

One of Putin’s key policies has been to create a “Eurasian Customs Union” — a trade bloc between Russia and former communist states that could rival the United States, China and the European Union.

Former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who has never been on great terms with Putin, described it as “a move to re-Sovietise the region”.

His macho, macho man image is a carefully crafted creation

Putin’s government is almost as prolific as the North Korean regime when it comes to distributing tailored propaganda images that make him look like an Action Man.

For instance: He butterfly swims through chilly lakes ...

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Too muscular to fit in your typical lap pool. Picture: Supplied Source: NewsComAu

... Drives Formula One vehicles:

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Why the hell not? Picture: AP Source: NewsComAu

... Is a judo master:

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/03/05/1226845/668902-0f53ff78-a338-11e3-8dfc-d9063670fb71.jpg

If you don’t invite him to G8, he’ll smash you. Picture: AFP Source: NewsComAu

... And sometimes fills in as a comic book superhero:

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Watch out, Joker. Picture: Supplied Source: NewsComAu

He’s got a foul mouth

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(Also: funky spy glasses). Picture: Supplied Source: News Corp Australia

When Hillary Clinton said in 2008 that Putin “has no soul”, the Russian president returned fire with what was widely believed to be a misogynist penis joke.

“At a minimum, a head of state should have a head,” he told reporters.

Putin has a considerable track record of making crude remarks, particularly about his enemies. Discussing the guerillas behind a series of bombings in Moscow in 1999, he said: “If we catch (the terrorists) in the toilet, we will rub them out in the outhouse.”

Translators were left lost for words at a news conference in 2002 after he launched into a confusing tirade about Islamic terrorism with many references to circumcision.

“If you are determined to become a complete Islamic radical and are ready to undergo circumcision, then I invite you to Moscow. We are multi-confessional,” he said.

“We have experts in this sphere as well. I will recommend to conduct the operation so that nothing on you will grow again.”

And then there was the rape “joke”. On a diplomatic visit to Israel in 2002, Putin was overheard praising the sexual prowess former Israeli president Moshe Katsav after he was charged with rape and sexual harassment.

According to one version of remarks, Putin said to Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert: “Say hello to your president. He really surprised us ... I met him. He didn’t look like a guy who could be with 10 women.”

Russian media accounts suggested he was even more crude. “He turns out to be a really powerful guy. He raped 10 women. We all envy him.”

Putin’s aides tried to explain the joke as the result of difficulties from translating from Russian to English.

He has a mysterious personal life

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007: Licence to Thrill. Picture: Supplied Source: NewsComAu

Putin’s love life is shrouded in mystery. He and his wife, former flight attendant Lyudmila Putina, divorced after nearly 30 years in 2013.

Putina was rarely seen in public over the course of his presidency with rumours about his complicated love life spreading in the media.

One of the most widely reported rumours is that he had been involved with — and perhaps even fathered the children of — former Olympic gymnast and Russian lawmaker Alina Kabaeva.

Putin had two daughters with Lyudmila — Maria and Yekaterina — both in their late 20s.

Little is known about them. Unlike their attention-seeking father, they shy from the public eye.

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Putin’s rumoured gymnast girlfriend, Alina Kabaeva. Picture: Supplied Source: NewsComAu

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/things-you-didnt-know-about-russian-president-vladimir-putin/story-fnh81p7g-1226845669588

PS - See what I mean...???

[ghostrider]

He was a big somebody in the KGB also ...

[ghostrider]

to invade or not to invade that is the question ...lol

[Tyy1907]

He butterfly swims through chilly lakes :bad::bad::bad:
Putin's out of control!!!!

[jagman]

Say what you want to about Vlad,Putin but he is a man that
knows what he wants and sets clear defined goals on how to
achieve what ever he wants! Obama is playing checkers while
comrade Putin is playing chess...

The Obama administration sent out UN Ambassador Samantha
Powers to warn Vladimir Putin to stop the invasion of Ukrain or
face the consequences. The only problem with that is?
Samantha Powers biggest claim to fame before she was
awarded an ambassadorship last year was she owned a sex shop.
I bet Vlad was shaking in his boots.lol

Now they have sent the Easter Island Head aka Secretary of State
John Kerry to warn Putin... Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Vladimir Putin Has outmaneuvered Obama at every turn!

[jackovesk]

G'day Jagman...:thumb:

The Propaganda (All of It) is total...:bs:

There aint going to be no World War III...:nono:

I tell you what I've learnt over the years...

Don't pay any attention to what the MSM/PTW have to say literally, because if you actually start believing what they are SPINNING it will inevitably...


Take you Further & Further away from the (TRUTH)...:wizard:

The American MSM are literally (Pathetic) because they lost their ability to (Create the (Storyline/Collective Consensus) another way of saying (Group-Think) Long - Long - Long AGO...:yes4:

Enough of this Mindless Menace from the MSM, quieten your mind and you (Will SEE :shocked:) the Truth for what is really is..!

...and believe me Once you turn your innate Power (Inwards for Answers) & Project that (Outwards for Solutions) you will inevitably be able to (Create your Own Future) without having to lift a finger in retaliation...

Jack

[jackovesk]

The (TRUTH) is Putin is fighting for his Country & its People very Survival...:yes4:

It takes some (Big Kahonas) to take on the PTW head on...:wizard:

Many think Putin's in with the PTW anyway so what does it matter...:noidea:

IMHO - Nothing could be further from the (Truth)...:nono:

PS - To the American people...

Your (Lucky) to have Putin in Power...

Because if he wasn't the (Bombs) would have already started to (Drop)...:boom:

[carryattune]

The economic collapse didn't happen on March 4, either. Not that it won't. Just not now. One person tipped the scales.

[jackovesk]

This one's for the Aussies

Kevin Rudd zips to Russia as war beckons

March 05, 2014 5:09PM

KEVIN Rudd has always said he’s “here to help” — and now he’s flown to Russia as the threat of war continues to raise tensions with Ukraine.

Australia’s former prime minister has arrived in Moscow and is understood to be in Red Square, according to Sydney radio station 2GB.

He has plans to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin’s top advisers, The West Australian reports.

It is understood that diplomats suspect he may be trying to “deal himself” into the crisis as a self-appointed special envoy.

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Rest of the story here...
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/kevin-rudd-zips-to-russia-as-war-beckons/story-fni0xs63-1226845512729

PS - The picture takes up 1 of 9 pics/smilies per Post, that leaves me with 8 left...

:pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Putin seems very good at manipulating the public sentiment.
Imagine a Russian politician in the NYT even 30 years ago -- would have been crazy!

The thing to keep in mind is that the nation is something the president is supposed to serve.
Not just use. I feel that some of the decisions the fellow has made might not have helped his people much.
But in order to keep competition alive he does have to slam the US a bit here and there. lol.
Like opposing gay marriage and stuff. You know the reason is to slap US in the face and to pander to the Religious Russian Right.

Putin realized an important thing, pander to the Right and you can be the next Hitler, no problem.

Obama does a lot of bad things too, but it seems to take longer maybe? or we don't see how blatant it is until too late?
Whereas Putin kind of mystifies and dazzles people into compliance, by making them think they are getting what they want.

If Obama could convince people that his agenda is really their agenda, he'd get somewhere.
But American politics poo-poos the military a bit too much. In Russia it's common knowledge that generals go rogue, that things can go wrong, etc.
But in the USA, we seem to think that everything is "taken care of". Well by whom I would like to know!

And Jagman I can see why you'd like the guy. Obama is cute and all but in a sleazy sort of way, kind of like McCain would have been sleazy.
There aren't any "clean", of the people candidates in the USA, because of the Lodge situation (you know what I mean).

It just isn't possible, the way it's been happening, for a common person to "make it" past the political power families and be president.

Not like the comics at all :( lol
Which is what raised many of us to trust the USA when it's not much better off than Russia.


Russian politics right now hinge pretty strongly on the natural gas industry, and what has me scratching my head is the 19% of the Russian national gas company that British Petroleum owns....

Is that a double hedge or what?
"We make money selling you oil, we make money not selling you oil, isn't that a gas?"

[jackovesk]

Putin seems very good at manipulating the public sentiment.
Imagine a Russian politician in the NYT even 30 years ago -- would have been crazy!

The thing to keep in mind is that the nation is something the president is supposed to serve.
Not just use. I feel that some of the decisions the fellow has made might not have helped his people much.
But in order to keep competition alive he does have to slam the US a bit here and there. lol.
Like opposing gay marriage and stuff. You know the reason is to slap US in the face and to pander to the Religious Russian Right.

Putin realized an important thing, pander to the Right and you can be the next Hitler, no problem.

Obama does a lot of bad things too, but it seems to take longer maybe? or we don't see how blatant it is until too late?
Whereas Putin kind of mystifies and dazzles people into compliance, by making them think they are getting what they want.

If Obama could convince people that his agenda is really their agenda, he'd get somewhere.
But American politics poo-poos the military a bit too much. In Russia it's common knowledge that generals go rogue, that things can go wrong, etc.
But in the USA, we seem to think that everything is "taken care of". Well by whom I would like to know!

And Jagman I can see why you'd like the guy. Obama is cute and all but in a sleazy sort of way, kind of like McCain would have been sleazy.
There aren't any "clean", of the people candidates in the USA, because of the Lodge situation (you know what I mean).

It just isn't possible, the way it's been happening, for a common person to "make it" past the political power families and be president.

Not like the comics at all :( lol
Which is what raised many of us to trust the USA when it's not much better off than Russia.


Russian politics right now hinge pretty strongly on the natural gas industry, and what has me scratching my head is the 19% of the Russian national gas company that British Petroleum owns....

Is that a double hedge or what?
"We make money selling you oil, we make money not selling you oil, isn't that a gas?"

G'day Tesla...:thumb:


Putin seems very good at manipulating the public sentiment.


On the contrary Putin is simply using (Common Sense)...:yes4:

The (HUGE) difference between Obama & Putin is...

Putin actually loves his own (Country & its People) whereas Obama (Despises) his...:yes4:

[jagman]

Jackovesk
Putin actually loves his own (Country & its People) whereas Obama (Despises) his

Very true in my opinion. Do you guys know what Putin gave his Gold medalist's?
He gave them over a hundred grand cash and new cars. Guess what the USA
gave their Gold medal winners? 20 thousand and 10 of it is taken for taxes.


Tesla
Putin seems very good at manipulating the public sentiment.

Very good point Tesla...Kinda like when he swept in in the middle of the Syria
situation and help broker the peace deal.

[Sidney]

Putin seems very good at manipulating the public sentiment.
Imagine a Russian politician in the NYT even 30 years ago -- would have been crazy!

The thing to keep in mind is that the nation is something the president is supposed to serve.
Not just use. I feel that some of the decisions the fellow has made might not have helped his people much.
But in order to keep competition alive he does have to slam the US a bit here and there. lol.
Like opposing gay marriage and stuff. You know the reason is to slap US in the face and to pander to the Religious Russian Right.

Putin realized an important thing, pander to the Right and you can be the next Hitler, no problem.

Obama does a lot of bad things too, but it seems to take longer maybe? or we don't see how blatant it is until too late?
Whereas Putin kind of mystifies and dazzles people into compliance, by making them think they are getting what they want.

If Obama could convince people that his agenda is really their agenda, he'd get somewhere.
But American politics poo-poos the military a bit too much. In Russia it's common knowledge that generals go rogue, that things can go wrong, etc.
But in the USA, we seem to think that everything is "taken care of". Well by whom I would like to know!

And Jagman I can see why you'd like the guy. Obama is cute and all but in a sleazy sort of way, kind of like McCain would have been sleazy.
There aren't any "clean", of the people candidates in the USA, because of the Lodge situation (you know what I mean).

It just isn't possible, the way it's been happening, for a common person to "make it" past the political power families and be president.

Not like the comics at all :( lol
Which is what raised many of us to trust the USA when it's not much better off than Russia.


Russian politics right now hinge pretty strongly on the natural gas industry, and what has me scratching my head is the 19% of the Russian national gas company that British Petroleum owns....

Is that a double hedge or what?
"We make money selling you oil, we make money not selling you oil, isn't that a gas?"

G'day Tesla...:thumb:


Putin seems very good at manipulating the public sentiment.


On the contrary Putin is simply using (Common Sense)...:yes4:

The (HUGE) difference between Obama & Putin is...

Putin actually loves his own (Country & its People) whereas Obama (Despises) his...:yes4:

I disagree, I think Obama is a narcissist that feels absolutely nothing for anyone. (maybe his dog)

[Hervé]

A few points for Putin in my books:


[...]

By Servando Gonzalez in http://henrymakow.com/2014/03/gay-is-not-the-same-as.html

PUTIN

Granted, like most politicians such as the Bushes, the Clintons and Obama, Vladimir Putin might be corrupt and power hungry. But there is a big difference that makes him a fierce enemy of the NWO conspirators: contrary to his American counterparts, Putin loves his country. His dream is to change Russia into a first class industrialized country with a large middle class.


http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/PUTINPRIEST.jpg


Moreover, Putin is not associated with the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the World Economic Forum or any other globalist organizations. He is not conspiring in the shadows to eliminate Russia's sovereignty and create a New World Order -- a global government controlled by oil magnates, international bankers and CEOs of transnational corporations.

Contrary to his CFR foes, Putin's goal is not to turn back history and change Russia again into the medieval, hunger-games-like society the CFR conspirators imposed on the Russian people for more than half a century and now envision for the rest of the world, including the U.S.

And that makes a big difference.

The CFR globalist conspirators hate Putin for the same reasons they hated Kennedy and Reagan, the last presidents who really loved America. It will not be so easy for them, however, to get rid of Putin the same way they got rid of Kennedy and tried to eliminate Reagan.

[...]

Servando Gonzalez, is a Cuban-born American writer, historian, semiologist and intelligence analyst. He has written books, essays and articles on Latin American history, intelligence, espionage, and semiotics. Servando is the author of Historia herética de la revolución fidelista, Observando, The Secret Fidel Castro: Deconstructing the Symbol, The Nuclear Deception: Nikita Khrushchev and the Cuban Missile Crisis and La madre de todas las conspiraciones: Una novela de ideas subversivas, all available at Amazon.com.

[Snowflower]

The difference might be the ability to love at all. I don't know Putin, but from what I have observed, he does not appear to be a psychopath. That would be very unusual - to have a head of state today who CAN feel connection to anything thing at all outside of himself. So, if he is not, he can love his country. A psychopath cannot even love his dog.

[Hervé]

Putin talks sense again: says Ukraine hold a constitutional referendum (http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/722029)

ITAR-TASS (http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/722029)
Tue, 04 Mar 2014 05:36 CST
http://www.sott.net/article/275108-Putin-talks-sense-again-says-Ukraine-hold-a-constitutional-referendum


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s8/174067/medium/954097.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/image/s8/174067/full/954097.jpg)
© ITAR-TASS/Alexei Nikolsky


"If somebody feels left out in the cold in this process, he will never accept this and will always fight against it," Putin noted

The new Constitution of Ukraine must be adopted in a referendum, but the decision rested with the future legitimate authorities, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday.

"A new Constitution must be adopted, and this must be done through a referendum so that all citizens of Ukraine could feel involved in that process, the process of shaping the main principles of their state system," he said. "It is no business of ours, but the business of the Ukrainian citizens and its authorities, who are the ones to decide," Putin added.

"I think that after the government is formed, the president and the new parliament are elected, if I were in their place, I would return to the Constitution, adopting it in a referendum," he said.

"If somebody feels left out in the cold in this process, he will never accept this and will always fight against it," Putin noted, reiterating that it was no business of Russia.

[SilentFeathers]

Say what you want to about Vlad,Putin but he is a man that
knows what he wants and sets clear defined goals on how to
achieve what ever he wants! Obama is playing checkers while
comrade Putin is playing chess...

The Obama administration sent out UN Ambassador Samantha
Powers to warn Vladimir Putin to stop the invasion of Ukrain or
face the consequences. The only problem with that is?
Samantha Powers biggest claim to fame before she was
awarded an ambassadorship last year was she owned a sex shop.
I bet Vlad was shaking in his boots.lol

Now they have sent the Easter Island Head aka Secretary of State
John Kerry to warn Putin... Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Vladimir Putin Has outmaneuvered Obama at every turn!

Appearances can be deceiving, but it DOES appear to me that Putin is being reactive, not proactive, he is being defending, not offending.....trying to protect to a degree, not acting as the aggressor. the west continues to back him in to these corners and he his FORCED to respond. That's how I see it.

There's a clear pattern that must be looked at deeply....Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, and now Ukraine/Crimea (I'm sure I'm leaving a couple out). In not one of these countries is Putin the one who destabilizes and creates chaotic messes....In not one of these countries is Putin being the aggressor, not even in Crimea IMO.

It's only a matter of time before an alliance is "vividly" formed and begins to seriously warn or act against the west for it's aggressive behavior, economic warfare tactics, and there crude psyop/covert methods destabilizing countries.

PS: Watch how the west handles this development.

Crimea votes to join Russia, accelerating Ukraine crisis (http://news.yahoo.com/big-power-talks-ukraine-crisis-little-progress-003521587--business.html)

Ukraine Premier: Crimea Will Remain in Ukraine (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ukraine-premier-crimea-remain-ukraine-22780042)

Also;

Keep an eye on Poland and Turkey pertaining to this matter....

[jackovesk]

Putin, Obama discuss Ukraine

11:00am March 7, 2014

March 07, 2014: The Crimean parliament in the Ukraine has voted to become part of the Russian Federation overnight, with US President Barack Obama and other western leaders condemning the move.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/07/05/40/obama-crimea-referendum-would-violate-law

[Etherios]

Putin, Obama discuss Ukraine

11:00am March 7, 2014

March 07, 2014: The Crimean parliament in the Ukraine has voted to become part of the Russian Federation overnight, with US President Barack Obama and other western leaders condemning the move.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/07/05/40/obama-crimea-referendum-would-violate-law

Ukraine voted against the imperial will ... thats a crime ... kill em all /sarcasm

[jackovesk]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/VeteransToday-Logo2.gif

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/aliens-nordic.jpg

March 2014

Russian President Vladimir Putin seems to be walking with a prideful swagger in his step lately.

In spite of growing conflicts between Israel-driven-America and Russia over Syria, Iran and now the Ukraine, he appears unusually confident.

Other world leaders involved appear to be increasingly stressed out by these growing conflicts, but not President Putin.

What could be going on in the background which might explain this blatant confidence and swagger of president Putin?

Unsubstantiated rumors have been seeping out of deep contacts inside Russian Space Command the last few weeks that, not only does the new Putin’s Russia have a well developed Secret Space war Program, but reports also claim that this Secret Space war Program provides substantial ultra-high-tech back-engineered offensive and defensive weaponry.

And that such advanced weaponry can and will be deployed if Israel is able to once again deploy their hijacked American War Machine in another Proxy War, this time in the Ukraine against Putin’s New Russia.


Do Russians now have access to Space War Weapons based on back-engineered Alien ET technology gained through a new treaty negotiated between Putin and a certain group of Alien ETs who are enemies of the group controlling the World Zionists (WZs) and the International Zionist Crime Syndicate (IZCS)?


And even stranger, has this same Alien ET group who claim to be the avowed enemies of another Alien ET group which is directing the WZs and the IZCS the “Dracos”, also contacted a certain newly-emerging and powerful secret group inside the Secret Shadow Government (SSG) and American Intel?

And with these reputed contacts, has this group of American Defense and Intel up-and-comers started to exert dominance over the US War Machine? Have they become convinced that the WZs and the IZCS must be stopped because their intent is to deploy DHS to tyrannize, enslave and serially mass-murder about 80% of all Americans?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/a-16-year-veteran-of-the-kgb-putin-knows-his-way-around-a-gun-after-his-retirement-in-1991-he-rapidly-rose-through-russian-politics-to-become-top-dog-in-the-worlds-largest-nation-320x240.jpg
President Putin is a Firearms Expert (as well as a Judo Expert). Notice how he keeps his trigger finger outside the trigger guard when not firing the Pistol.

And have they become aware that the 9/11 attacks were False-Flag, Gladio-style, inside-job attacks run by Israel, Israeli-American dual citizens, NeoCons, and PNAC individuals and had nothing to do with Arabs, but were merely False-Flag terror to justify more illegal, unprovoked, unconstitutional, undeclared wars of aggression in the Middle East as a proxy Wars for Israel?


Has this powerful group of up-and-comers inside America become convinced that DHS and its overlords and the true Hijackers of America (AIPAC, B’nai B’rith, the ADL, SPLC and the like) must be stopped cold now before they destroy America and all its Christian and Deist Institutions and the very American Republic itself, which is the secret Goal of the WZs and the IZCS?


This new treaty President Putin has negotiated with this particular Alien ET group is purported to be like the ones American leaders negotiated with in the 1950′s and early 1960′s. However this group is purported to be substantially anti-WZ and anti-IZCS. Their view is reputed to be that the core of all the mass death and destruction of at least the last 500 years has its origins all the way to the Roman Empire and ancient Babylonia, and is now reflected in the policies imposed on America by the WZs and the IZCS, which is undoubtedly the world’s largest organized crime syndicate.

This crime syndicate the IZCS specializes in illegal drug and arms trafficking, money laundering, large corporate “bust-outs”, sex trafficking and sex slavery (especially eastern Euro and Ukrainian young girls taken to Israel for “captive prostitution”), trafficking in children for pedophilia operations, American pornography, and massive human compromise operations to gain and hold control over top politicians, government intel, military and Intel officials. The WZs and the IZCS are based on an ancient “Death Cult”, “Money-Magick” and “black arts” philosophy dating all the way back to Babylon.

And that this Death Cult philosophy is based on an anti-human death-based religion created and deployed by the Dracos (luciferian reptilians) who reached an apex of power under the City of London private Central Banksters (whom they mind-kontrolled and en-cultured).


This new group of Alien ETs also has claimed that the “Dracos”, aka Reptoids from the “Dark Side”, hijacked the City of London when first incorporated. These evil and ancient Dracos, using the same technologies which they did in ancient Babylon before being driven out for many centuries, built up and then deployed their main Action-agents and Cutouts, Israel and America.

It was under Evil, anti-human Draco Power, the City of London zionist private Central Banksters (COLZPCB) hijacked America in 1913. At that time America essentially became a new province of the City of London private Central Banksters using Draco-based Babylonian “Money-Magick.” The Dracos are believed to be the arch enemies of humankind, actual human parasites that live off of intense human suffering and death. These Dracos are believed to have set up “death Cults” like Skull and Bones (Russell Trust), satanic cults and various types of luciferianism which completely hijacked the highest levels of Freemasonry. These death cults are designed to “dirty up” and corrupt all humans, softening folks up to make it easier for their very souls to be “snatched” from them.

After the City of London established a Beachhead in America with its unConstitutional, criminal private Federal Reserve Central Bank, it was then later able to create, finance, build-up and deploy its new nation of Khazarian judaic converts (the new post-WW2 “Israel”). Once accomplished, the COLZPCB has been able to deploy Israel as their main Action-agent and Cutout to begin the transformation of America into a zionist Israeli province and upcoming new Gaza (Gaza II). The party responsible for directing this transformation of America into a neo-Bolshevik tyranny is Israeli controlled Department of Homeland Security, which has now been dubbed the New American Gestapo, the New American Stasi, or the New American Red Cheka mass-murder operation (take your pick).

The purpose of these occult-linked organizations set up all over the world, supported by Draco powers, is believed to allow the eradication/extinction of all humans on Earth incrementally through war, disease, famine and pestilence. In order to condition “up-and-comers” to do their dirty work, the Dracos generate the false ideologies of “Survival of the Fittest” by the “thinning of the herd” as delusions. These delusional philosophies trick human leaders into leading their subjects and eventually all humans to their own destruction, like lemmings jumping off a cliff.

After the end of WW2, the City of London Banksters set up the new phony racial state of Israel to do their dirty work. To keep the new Israeli citizens adequately motivated to do their evil, they created a strong racial delusion based on the so-called “holocaust,” aka “self-deployed fiery sacrifice.”

This deployment of an exaggerated, racial persecution delusion created the necessary background allowing the false charge of Anti-Semitism to be leveled against anyone or any group attempting to investigate what really happened during the WW2 “Work Camp” persecution of “low Judaics” by “fake/high Judaics/zionists who sat in the background in the City of London calling the shots.

This use of Israel as an artificially constructed so-called “racial state” based on racial delusions and falsities has worked so well playing on the sympathies of Americans and other Western Nations. This has allowed Israel to completely hijack America, asset strip it almost bare, and use it as a captive force to wage its foreign proxy wars against entities who were not enemies of America at all, but who were artificially created to appear so by deception. And now for the first time, these toxic World Zionists (WZs), NeoCons and Israeli-American dual citizen Traitors are transforming America into a new War Zone by the creation and deployment of the zionist, pervert-driven Department of Homeland Security.

Yes, WZ’s are not only attacking the Ukraine to weaken President Putin’s New Russia but are now staging a serious major internal war to be waged against Americans inside America by DHS. And DHS has secret plans to incrementally mass-murder up to 80% of all Americans eventually. DHS and those behind it are the true “Enemy Within The Gates” of America and all involved at the senior management positions are Traitors who deserve to be prosecuted for RICO crimes and TREASON and SEDITION, which are capital Crimes.

If true, this would explain the now apparent reluctance of President Obama and his administration to proceed with more proxy wars for Israel in the Mideast and now specifically in the Ukraine which is loaded with extremely valuable resources and is considered essential to the national security of Putin’s new non-Bolshevik Russia.

Now here is the grim truth. No matter how good American Intel has been about the Russian’s Secret Space War Program and the level of advanced back-engineered Alien ET technology, which now has been deployed, it is limited. And it is unlikely that the full story has been gained by American Intel, due to the various levels of secrecy and “need to know” installed around the Russian’s secret Space War Program.

Of course this kind of layered secrecy has been installed around America’s Secret Space War Program. America’s secret Space War program is unfortunately now run by foreign offshore-controlled, private defense Contractors, most of whom are deeply infiltrated by Israeli intel, some of whom are actually deep cover spies who report directly to Russian Intel, unbeknownst to the Israelis who are cocky and getting quite careless lately.

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And must General Dempsey take strong control and stop this Israeli Espionage through their intel fronts like AIPAC, B’nai B’rith, the ADL, SPLC and the like to prevent some kind of major international confrontation with President Putin’s new Russia over the Ukraine or Syria.


It is now generally recognized that Israel is working very hard, deploying every espionage and propaganda tool possible to propel American military might into another proxy war for Israel and the City of London.

The reason? To allow Israel to obtain its planned new oil and gas pipeline in Syria (after Balkanizing it through deployed terrorism). And to Balkanize the Ukraine to obtain its vast resources and block Russia’s sale of oil and gas to Europe so that it can jump in its Russia’s place and sell British controlled oil and gas through their planned new pipeline thorough Syria. It is also now recognized that this Israel Pipeline Plan for Syria has the full blessing and support of the City of London Big Oil.


Some of those who are in a position to know about such internal security matters deep inside the USG are claiming the answer is YES, that General Dempsey is completely informed about infil-Traitors, and has established the resources necessary deeply inside this program to exert immediate and complete control any time upon his instructions should this become necessary and should he desire to do so. Allegedly these Israeli moles have been allowed to remain in place to use them to feed misinformation that is designed to mislead any real or potential enemies.


At present, nobody on the inside has provided complete verified information on what actual advanced high-tech back-engineered Alien ET weapon systems the Americans or Russians actually have developed and deployed in their respective Secret Space War Programs.

The best we can do is construct estimates based on the actual weapon systems we do know exist. We know that America’s Secret Shadow Government (SSG) has at least two separate very advanced anti-gravity craft fleets, one deployed by the USAF and the other deployed by the USN. Insiders have claimed that there is a secret competition for black-budget dollars between the two that has at times turned into space shootouts and other acts of spy-war.


The USAF and the USN have always been at odds after WW2 ended and the Cold War started. This deep conflict is all about money and power and the Navy’s “Grey Beards” claim that according to the US Constitution, only the US Navy is authorized to employ international spying on behalf of America. It is important to note that traditionally for many centuries, Naval Forces were the primary sources of a King or Nation’s international power and foreign Intelligence gathering. These Naval Forces were used to protect trade routes and to establish the authority for new Colonies in foreign lands.

It is now known that the naval intel and accounting sectors were specifically targeted by the USAF during the 9/11 attacks. During these attacks, charges were planted inside those sections in the pentagon, including a sophisticated covert operation using space war technology like holographic images and sounds.

There have been isolated reports of past space shootouts between USAF and USN anti-gravity Craft (AGCs). And there have been some reports of serious turf wars inside Congress over funding. It is well known that the USAF sees the USN conventional forces, including most carriers and destroyers, as obsolete and easy targets for any enemy.

The actual state of back-engineered Alien ET technology for Russian weapons systems is not known by American Intel at this time. But estimates are constructed using advanced algorithms on advanced computers to make estimates. And the latest version of the Russian Sunburn Missile System is a good example of an advanced weapons system that can be used to project what could be considered a fairly good estimate of the current state of Russian Secret Space war weaponry that has been deployed.

Some military technology experts believe that the Sunburn is based on Alien ET back-engineered technology. Why would they think this? Because the latest versions of the Sunburn are believed to have hiving capability and the ability to travel at speeds up to 7,000 to 9,000 miles per hour. That is a lot more than the officially released figures of Mach 2.1.

Hiving is the ability of these missiles when launched in mass to remain in constant communication with one another on special scrambled frequencies which constantly change.

If one or more Sunburn missile is shot down or interfered with, the rest adjust in response to the threat, re-target, and resort to random defensive maneuvers to make sure every target is still covered and attacked by priority of importance. Some of these maneuvers are so gravity-defying, it is suspected that anti-gravity technology has been utilized in the latest model of the Sunburn missiles. It is also suspected that new anti-matter light and time warping technologies are used to provide advanced “cloaking” for these Sunburns.



If these rumors are even close to accurate it means that any USN ships within range of these Sunburns (which may be substantially greater than the claimed 1200 miles), could be sunk within mere minutes. Some experts believe that the USAF (or the USN) has nothing that can adequately respond to the Sunburn, and even the Rail guns and high-powered particle beams which have been secretly deployed on some carriers and destroyers and kept under wraps until needed, or on special Space war orbital platforms, cannot respond fast or accurately enough to stop all of a hive of Sunburns that are launched.

As the Cold War came to a halt, it was rumored that the Soviet Union’s secret Space war stopped, temporarily put on ice. This occurred when the Wall was torn down, thanks to the extremely effective efforts of the Great America Hero Lee Wanta, who served as President Reagan’s Secret Agent. And it is now believed that under Putin’s new Russia, not only has a new treaty been re-negotiated with a certain group of Alien ETs, who were introduced to the Soviets by Nazi Scientists brought into Russia after WW2 to work on advanced weapons systems (just like what happened under Operation Paperclip in America).


Another way to estimate the Space War capabilities is to examine open-source intel of any alien technology applications that have been leaked in the press. There is one story claiming that Russia was in the process of developing a large anti-gravity craft (AGC) to use as a space platform deployed space weapon system, as well as for use as an advanced passenger airliner. It has been claimed by some that the first prototype has been built and tested.


Here is what may perhaps be an “Above Top Secret” video obtained clandestinely by a Western Intel Agency and leaked to the press, perhaps with a wink and a nod of Putin or his deputies. You must decide if it appears to be real and/or could actually be real. Why would Russia allow this kind of a leak? Such leaks can serve as a warning to western powers to show more respect for Putin’s New Russia.

If it is a faked video and purposely leaked misinformation, it can serve as a Psyop to confuse and misdirect from real, already deployed Russian “deep black” or “above Top Secret” Secret Space War Systems that Putin perhaps wants to keep secret. Decide for yourself if this video might be real, and if so what its implications could be for Putin’s New Russia.


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Conclusion: President Putin has appeared remarkably cool and confident in public lately. A slow controlled speech backed by steely blue eyes and what appears to be a iron constitution, as well as a over-confident swagger to his stride. Not prone to careless statements or bluffs, Putin appears to be a strong, confident leader who means what he says and is willing to back it up.

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President Putin has been considered by some Russian Intel to have been Russia’s equivalent of Britain’s “Ian Fleming” (the Real James Bond) in the past. But he has a lighter side too. It has been reported that he rides horses for fun, and likes dogs and animals in general

Those who know President Putin claim that he does not want war for his New Russia, but wants peace and prosperity and a major role in International Trading of oil, gas and other Russian commodities which are growing in development every day.

But it is also generally recognized that President Putin demands respect from other world leaders and is not likely to be pushed around.

Driving out the Judaic zionist mobsters has appeared to have been a high priority, and this is an extremely difficult job, since these crime networks called the “Red Mafiya” are so entrenched. Various Russian experts in the west believe that Putin is committed to this and has made significant progress, but it is an arduous process.

Those who know President Putin claim that he is very calculating when he negotiates or pushes foreign policies for Russia. That he is not prone to idle bluff or exaggerations, but usually means exactly what he says.

This task of driving out Israeli-American dual citizen traitors who are zionists is a difficult challenge for newly emerging groups within the USG, the American Military and Intel. It is these folks who are dedicated to fully exposing these Traitors to America the Republic and are working hard to stop AIPAC, B’nai B’rith, the ADL, the SPLC and the like. Based on the deep penetration zionist criminals and zionist espionage fronts have attained in America, one can easily imagine how difficult a challenge it is for Putin to do the same in Russia.

So far it seems clear that President Putin will give no new quarter to the Red Mafiya zios, nor will he allow zionists from Israel, the City of London or those who have infiltrated America to determine his borders or his security situation with the Ukraine.

And besides, according to Lee Wanta, President Reagan’s Secret Agent, a binding Agreement was negotiated between the Soviet Union’s leaders who were leaving power and Russia’s new up and coming leaders, that America would not ever interfere in Russia’s close security situation along its borders, and Russia would refrain from the same for America’s borders. (1) Sadly, recent news reports claim the the USG has given $5 Billion USD to rebel groups inside the Ukraine to start a Color Revolution. If true, this is a serious violation of the Agreement that is still binding. (2)

In spite of the evidence that Israel has deployed some of its Terrorist Patsy groups to the Ukraine to start a Color Revolution and America has also apparently deployed its Al Cia Duh Terror groups to the Ukraine to assist, President Putin has responded calmly, but decisively. He appears to have started deploying some of his best Anti-Terror troops to Crimea to secure the Ukraine.

It should be a fair assumption that if Israel and America do not back down and stop deploying terrorists to the Ukraine, President Putin will likely fight fire with fire and deploy whatever Russian Military force is necessary to stop this outside agitation and generation of violence, terror and chaos inside the Ukraine.

Will President Putin back down and let Israel and American offshore corporate interests Balkanize the Ukraine and divide its vast natural resources? A fair number of experts do not believe that President Putin will allow this to happen. And could it be that his strong confidence is a result of a newly updated treaty with a group of Aliens that is working hard to expose the Franken, Sabbattean World Zionists (WZs) and the IZCS, and to stop their evil reign of power?

If this particular group of Aliens has entered into an agreement to establish Space war parity for Putin’s new Russia, perhaps this has bolstered his confidence and resolve to deal effectively with the zionist Israeli/American-driven terror in the Ukraine. Perhaps this group of anti-zionist Aliens has told President Putin to respond confidently and not to worry about the zios at all, that they will cover his back.

Take a break with Prince’s latest hit.

Now some of the world’s best rock guitar playing for those who appreciate good entertainment and have the time and like Prince’s music. This is Prince’s latest. (Headphones are recommended for this and use HD video if you have it).

Prince was the kid next door who kept to himself growing up. While everyone ignored him he was very busy minding his own business and learning to expertly play every musical instrument he could get his hands on, and write his own unique music. He later emerged from obscurity to musical superstar status in a very short time. But he is also famous for something else. Here is the rest of the story.

Prince lives near me and is the artist who single-handedly broke the whole music industry contracting system which was unfairly tilted to the house. Every single recording contract in the music industry has had to be re-written because of Prince’s genius. It is believed by those close to Prince that not only is he a musical genius, but an extremely intelligent man, able to think outside the system. And he taught the big boys a lesson they will never forget, ever.

Prince renamed himself as a symbol which voided any hold his prior tilted contract had over him and taught all the big Hollywood Entertainment attorneys a lesson they will never forget. Like him or not or what he stands for, or whether you like his music or not, this man fought back and beat the system in a way no attorney ever even conceived of. He beat them all , every one of these Ivy league big boys. Case in point, you never know what the little guy is capable of when taken advantage of or abused, and learns the truth about it and cannot live with it. When the human spirit is awakened in mass many unexpected changes occur, sometime very


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And imagine what will happen when the alternative news provided by the Internet diffuses into the mass-mind (shared consciousness of the masses) to the point that a 12% spontaneous eruption of this kind emerges, characterized by many millions of ordinary Americans who spontaneously resolve in mass to stop being victimized by an American government hijacked by Israel and the City of London private Central Banksters.

Never before in history has truth spread like lightning like it is today, and this is due to the Internet’s deep penetration across almost every society and into every group. It can not be stopped, it is far too late for that. Yes, within a few years all secrecy will end. There are many beyond-black secret things going on in the background now related to supra-national forces at play using ultra-high tech quantum computers that will assure this, no matter what counter-measures are attempted. the end to all state secrets kept from the masses is right around the corner, bet on it. And the ramifications of this collapse of all state secrets, is going to be the greatest exposure of RICO crimes, perversions and occult practices ever, far beyond what most folks could ever imagine. Snowden’s releases were just the tip of the iceberg. You are going to be shocked beyond belief at what is coming down the pike due to quantum computers putting a complete end to Cryptographics.

The new NSA spy center used to eavesdrop on every American digital transmission and then spontaneously downloaded to Israel by Satellite will no longer matter. The building will be reduced to very little value and will be abandoned. The whole American Intel System hijacked by Israel is going to be exposed and made completely inconsequential and worthless. There will be and end to the phony War on Drugs and the phony War on Terror and thousands of USG, DHS and American Intel officials and staff will be stuck in the unemployment lines with all their so-called “Federal Family” pensions gone, grabbed by the out of control USG right before it collapses from within. These abandoned dupes will all feel like they are new members of the “Chumps R US Club”. And it is highly recommended that top DHS and NeoCon, Isreali-Amerixcan dual citizen Traitors and Infil-Traitors refrain from starting a civil war up or going door to door or using their puppet state and local police departments to do so like in the land of Sandy Hookers. Why, because there appears to be a growing number of American Military and Intel High Command that know the full story now on who did the 9/11 false-flag attacks, how they did it and why. They also now know that you have infil-Traited and hijacked all NSA lives feeds and all American Communications administration and billing and they are extremely bothered about this as yet unresolved, unpunished Treason.

Your hijacking of all American Intel and setting up of the “Six Eyes” NSA hijacked system run out of Israel has been the largest breech of real American “National Security” since the Bush/Scherff Cabal seized power and murdered JFK, MLF, RFK and turned the CIA Directorate of operations and the DEA into the biggest American Drug Trafficker in history. If you Traitors start something up you may find yourself in the very Internment Camps you have been building for all whom you have designated as your dissenter/domestic terrorists. Somebody like John Cathey may end up being your head internment inmate and camp supervisor. I wouldn’t count on him or other camp supervisors who will be like him on being sensitive to your needs, either.

Soon we are all going to see the release of numerous previously secret conversations between top American Policy-Makers, Traitors and Infil-Traitors released for the first time on the worldwide Internet. This will be extremely revealing, shocking and will likely bring the whole corrupt system crashing down. Note to Perps, get out now and take your staches of loot with you and go in peace. This is by far your best option, so take it while you can and go now in peace.

These coming complete disclosures of secret conversations by the “Perps” at the top of the Secret Shadow Government (SSG) and American private Central Banking and the USG and Congress, and all the Israeli zio espionage groups like AIPAC, the ADL, B’nai B’raith and the like will shake the very foundations of the power of those who hijacked American and have attempted to bury the US Constitution and Bill of Rights in a Plethora of new illegal “laws”, regulations and Executive orders using their Phony War on Drugs and phony War on Terror as cover.


These Perps will be running for cover like cockroaches when the lights are turned on (many likely running for their very lives when this all comes out, and it will, all of it every single word). Stay tuned, your mind is going to be blown in the near future. If you think the Snowden disclosures were mind-blowing, just wait, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.


Light and Truth is coming, every rock will be turned over and you will see a complete end to the secrecy of the USG and American Intel top Policy-Makers. Watch the cockroaches scatter then.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJFA5Bitv7w

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/02/secret-space-war-xiii-alien-partners-tell-putin-dont-worry-weve-got-your-back/

[jackovesk]

After the end of WW2, the City of London Banksters set up the new phony racial state of Israel to do their dirty work. To keep the new Israeli citizens adequately motivated to do their evil, they created a strong racial delusion based on the so-called “holocaust,” aka “self-deployed fiery sacrifice.”

This deployment of an exaggerated, racial persecution delusion created the necessary background allowing the false charge of Anti-Semitism to be leveled against anyone or any group attempting to investigate what really happened during the WW2 “Work Camp” persecution of “low Judaics” by “fake/high Judaics/zionists who sat in the background in the City of London calling the shots.

This use of Israel as an artificially constructed so-called “racial state” based on racial delusions and falsities has worked so well playing on the sympathies of Americans and other Western Nations. This has allowed Israel to completely hijack America, asset strip it almost bare, and use it as a captive force to wage its foreign proxy wars against entities who were not enemies of America at all, but who were artificially created to appear so by deception. And now for the first time, these toxic World Zionists (WZs), NeoCons and Israeli-American dual citizen Traitors are transforming America into a new War Zone by the creation and deployment of the zionist, pervert-driven Department of Homeland Security.


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THE JEWISH GAS CHAMBER HOAX is a Revisionist documentary which provides the latest evidence debunking the greatest hoax in human history -

“The Holocaust” – the fraudulent claim that six million Jews were murdered by Germans, mostly in “Gas Chambers disguised as Shower Rooms.”

Never before seen evidence helps prove that Treblinka was a transit camp, far from the “Pure Extermination Camp” myth currently promoted by the Holocaust religion.

In never before seen footage, Jews themselves who were transited through Treblinka describe the process of being transferred from Treblinka to other camps, along with hundreds and thousands of other men women and children. Documentation is presented which affirms that Treblinka was no top secret “pure extermination center”, but a simple transit camp where many Jews took real showers in order to keep them alive.

The absurdity of diesel gassings, non-existent mass graves, forced confessions, and more are covered in THE JEWISH GAS CHAMBER HOAX, a new documentary from the filmmaker of THE LAST DAYS OF THE BIG LIE.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pf7RxPAwIs&feature=player_embedded
http://gaschamberhoax.com/jewish-gas-chamber-hoax/

[Limor Wolf]

Complete and utterly not worth believing or relying upon, There were many things that were orchastrated behind the scenes by the hands of the shadow government who does not represent any one religion and basically do represent most of all religions, yes there are many strings that were pulled, the holocaust was as the custom of their tradition - used and abused, they had a purpose for doing that, not unlike what they are trying to do now in the world, not unlike what they did with 9/11 on a small scale, people indeed died, the act itself was planned and staged . People dieing in the gas chambers like cattle was not in any way a false flag! This is complete insultment and injustice to those who were sucrficed in this way by the diabolic hands of the shadow government (yes, some jews were part as well), There are many successors to the nazi scientists in and around Science, Academia and black ops institutions in Israel as we speak, believe it or not, they are very interested in continuing the abuse of the children of those who suffered. Many (many!) good and inocent people were indeed murdered in this way, my own family included (with firm first hand testimonies and face to face evidence). The need to question the holocaust is encouraged and understood, if only to see how the controlling hands are manipulating the world into wars and into statnic sucrficing again and again, as well as achieving their goals (a strategically located jewish state which is an aly to them is one such gain planned well ahead), but posting such racist propoganda who can be easily debunked for anyone who care to check it in depth is a foolish and insensitive act

Do your homework please!

[Christine]

If this is going to be discussed one MUST realize the the truth is deeply buried and much real harm and suffering was caused. Keeping both eyes open and keeping focus on OUR vision and ALL that entails means exercising the greatest of discernment.

Of the flood of information we are exposed to perhaps 15% is a truth. Please keep this in mind and also please keep in mind those who have paid the price through their suffering.

[Frederick Jackson]

Jackovesk, where do you get the idea that the "Holocaust" has in any way been exaggerated? How can you possibly exaggerate such a thing? Your depiction of the Holocaust and the creation of the state of Israel come off as pure rant and racism. I have no idea of how Israeli interests really affect US policy, how Israel may be complicit in US wars of aggression. However I do have some idea of how the Jewish people have suffered 2000 years of wandering and oppression, finally culminating in the Holocaust of WWII. Do you need a guided tour of the evidence, photographic and otherwise? Do you need to see the piles of gold teeth etc, ? I enjoy many of your posts, so I urge you please to be more careful in some of your assertions. This kind of incendiary post does not really belong here in Avalon.

[linksplatinum]

"Crimea-Ukraine-Kiev, has a lot of inherent problems going on over there, because they are being driven by Foreign Interests... They have oil, natural gas, rare metals, and everyone wants to get their hands on that, so now everybody is interested. Now... something that people are not aware of is that the people there, asked for assistance from Putin, and as soon as that came about things calmed down tremendously. That doesn't mean that the animosity about the corrupt government has gone away at all, and that is being addressed, believe that... Irrespective to doing deals with the Ukraine, they needed someone in there that they could have confidence in, and be able to trust. Although, Crimea is heading to go to the polls to vote to secede from Ukraine, which probably won't carry the weight that it should; most leaders (not saying the good or the bad ones) have the opinions that the people of Crimea shouldn't do that. Why...the size of the country dictates things... If you have a country that is sizable with a reasonable population, it becomes a lot tougher to deal with them, than it would a country of a smaller size, and population. This is the differential, and a lot of people want Russia to gobble up the Ukraine, which by insider sources say that is not the ideology behind this at all. The naval bases, personnel, and people that live there who are of Russian decent are being protected. That, as far as I can tell is fairly truthful. Obama, and his so called strategic elements don't quite line up correctly...Meaning that the damage that can be done by the Soviets, by the closing of certain things, and prohibitions of certain things, will do much more damage to everyone else than it could to Russia, and bear this in mind...Putin plays chess and he's really good at it, the type of chess he's playing right now, generally you don't go into a situation like that without having a winning advantage..."

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[SPIRIT WOLF]

The thread title caught my eye and could not go past it till I said a few words, and it will be a few words.......................What a load of BS that title is, not bothered with all the posts as it seems to have wandered off course and gone to the holocaust again on Avalon.

[Agape]

The thread title caught my eye and could not go past it till I said a few words, and it will be a few words.......................What a load of BS that title is, not bothered with all the posts as it seems to have wandered off course and gone to the holocaust again on Avalon.

Besides that .. the same article has been posted just about 2 days ago :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69052-Vladimir-Putin-s-got-an-Ace-up-his-sleeve-against-the-CABAL&p=804256#post804256

and it was reflected upon here, obviously did not attract 'enough approvals' from the alternative cooks we are supposed to be ?

Of course, and I made my point about this earlier .. some 'pseudo-news' will get posted again and again, until everyone rational gets tired of responding to these and people with wild imaginations can reign the debate freely .

No problem Jacko.. I won't bother to post here a lot anymore till this war is over ..

lies about hoaxed holocaust do go really well with provoking people to EXTREME opinions,

we've devoted whole long thread to watching documentaries that I never wanted to see again, about Nazi concentration camps , and that are very real . Not sure ( where you live ) or what do you hope to achieve with this ,

and why ..

But guess I'm naive . Too peaceful to take part of this darkened, cynical, mentalities running this theatre .

:angel:

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Indeed, people just need to see the countless photographs and film footage taken at the closing of WW2 of these camps, plus those that helped liberate same, their first hand experiences of the mass graves not even covered in the haste of retreat by the Nazi's. The Holocaust happened, whether the true number of deaths has been exaggerated by the Jewish community is neither here nor there but we must not let fascism push its way thru and get people thinking it never happened. The Nazi's used propaganda films to show the folks back home how well camp inmates were treated. Hot showers, cosy clean beds and hot meals, a recreation area. So Germans believed the camps were simply nice relocation centres, not death camps.

[Agape]

I've that this slightly drastic little chat on visit to mum yesterday , talking of the escalation of international situation and what is let through or not in media,
somehow the debate turned to 'advanced Nazi technologies' during the WWII ,
Project Paperclip and so forth. Cared to mention to her that half of the youngsters who don't live in Europe and experienced little or no links to the previous war dismiss the holocaust as 'utter nonsense' and Zionist propaganda.
It turned mum to monotonous lecturing mode for half and hour until I waved hands and begged her, please stop, I know this all.

She mentioned the topic itself too was 'tabu' in their household because her father was somehow involved , to grandmas disapproval . So the first book mum herself mentioned to read about Buchenwald ( one of the concentration camps ) was allegedly in her 23rd year of life.
I told her I read them on my own at grannies, good few of them, direct narratives from survivors .. when I was 10 to 12, at grannies , I used to read a lot all the time .
And of course, there were original B&W movies on TV as well .. Mum paled and did not know what to say, I just said, don't worry , I had good nerves at that time, did not need your advice on this .
But older I'm I can not see it really anymore , it shocks me .

Forgot to mention I read her hidden 'Dangers of Zionism' and the 'Zionist Protocols' as well .




Sorry :angel:

[Harley]

Maybe this is the reason this alien spaceship was docked-up to the Russian docking port at the ISS!

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_large/hash/a9/63/a9639a83e366ca83d0ccdd87086382ae.png?itok=k2s7FZAS

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zIHlEtaBmqw/UvOsiC3qZZI/AAAAAAAAH2g/1SXJp3HCI9U/s1600/ufo+docked+ISS+NASA.jpg

(No I am not serious!)

:wacko:<---(me)

But come to think of it, I'll bet there will be tons of people who will now say Hmmm?

LOL!


:)

[Hazel]

Jackovesk darl', Im not one to be as diplomatic as Limor or Christine regards this topic / me thinks at times you enjoy yourself too mucheth at the expense of others!

Dunno what, why or how it is that you get off on pushing the envelope by projecting such Right wing Facist junk about the Holocaust here... ?
I have seen you at it before and I off -set the insult by posting Hitchcock's documentary footage of the death camps and the mass graves.

Am a fan of much of what you bring here otherwise and have defended you when there was pressure by members of the forum to have you removed... but mate, your darker tendencies have you sail close to the wind.
Sometimes I think you just enjoy stirring the old possum... but I fear that perception lets you off the hook and makes me complicit...
stand down on this nonsense Jacko, you blight and belittle your otherwise appreciable intellectual persona.

(And if you want to return my rebuke with an 'Aunty Jack' biff with a boxing glove, go 4 it.... not interested in an assassination bout'. But keen to continue to enjoy being informed by your vibrant threads... without on occasion having to weed out gratuitous adulterated **ite.)

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/02/auntyjack_narrowweb__300x452,2.jpg

[jackovesk]

Firstly I like to categorically State this...


Question Everything..!

Secondly, I only care for the Truth...:yes4:

I'm just not into the (Politically Correct)...:bs: Designed by those to say "Hands Off" any type of questioning of whether in fact the (Holocaust) being True or False...

I just don't get it...:noidea:

I don't know about what 'Truly' happened in the Nazi Concentration Camps & I certainly don't "Trust" the MSM to make up my mind for me..!

The only reason I posted it was in direct contrast & flow on from the OP...



After the end of WW2, the City of London Banksters set up the new phony racial state of Israel to do their dirty work. To keep the new Israeli citizens adequately motivated to do their evil, they created a strong racial delusion based on the so-called “holocaust,” aka “self-deployed fiery sacrifice.”

This deployment of an exaggerated, racial persecution delusion created the necessary background allowing the false charge of Anti-Semitism to be leveled against anyone or any group attempting to investigate what really happened during the WW2 “Work Camp” persecution of “low Judaics” by “fake/high Judaics/zionists who sat in the background in the City of London calling the shots.

This use of Israel as an artificially constructed so-called “racial state” based on racial delusions and falsities has worked so well playing on the sympathies of Americans and other Western Nations. This has allowed Israel to completely hijack America, asset strip it almost bare, and use it as a captive force to wage its foreign proxy wars against entities who were not enemies of America at all, but who were artificially created to appear so by deception. And now for the first time, these toxic World Zionists (WZs), NeoCons and Israeli-American dual citizen Traitors are transforming America into a new War Zone by the creation and deployment of the zionist, pervert-driven Department of Homeland Security.

I myself have never studied the real 'Truth' about the Holocaust, and like many after the constant abuse of "Trust" from the MSM, I do not see anything wrong with exploring any alternative Theories...:nono:

I posted this 'Thread' just before sleep-time and was going to watch the 'The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax' when I awoke this morning. So I am just as curious as to what's in the clip as I'm sure many others are...

I refuse to (Hide Behind) the (Barricade to Information) erected by the likes of the AIPAC, ADL & SPLC designed to (:director: SHOUT DOWN) anyone who doubts the (Official Story)..!

PS - So you can call me an (ADL Anti-Semite) or an (SPLC Racist) whatever the hell you want to call me but don't you (DARE) question my (INTEGRITY) on trying to find out the God's honest (TRUTH) about this story or any other 'Subject' for that matter...:wizard:

[Hazel]

I "DARE" question anyone... when matters are so loaded and woven amongst such a powerful and influential 'world view'..

Am about being cautionary here, because there's a fine line between upholding one's "INTEGRITY" and propagating one's Right to find out the so called "God's honest TRUTH" when it harms victims and influences the weak minded or those less inclined to research for themselves.. You may say that thats not your responsibility.. But then don't NOT expect some of us to question/debate such a proud noble stance re freedoms of inquiry when certain topics are brought to the forum. Your a stickler for bringing up this topic Jacko, so don't be so surprised by the sticklers who will continue to question your motives whenever you do so eh!

The Golden glove was taken on the chin Jacko... :cool:

A forum this is... and I respect the full meaning of that
and properly leave the consensus on the matter to each member.



for those that have never been exposed to this part of the 'TRUTH' here's the Hitchcock documentary footage of the Nazi death camps, as mentioned in my last post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W88gA7O_tOM

[jackovesk]

It just cracks me up even within the 'Alternative Media' when the subject of...



Zionism
Holocaust
Anti-Semitism
Etc, etc, etc...


Basically anything to do with the Jews (I am seriously not even sure, whether or not we are allowed to even use that word)...:confused:

Everyone has a right to their own opinion...:yes4:

I can't even tell what my honest opinion is on the "Holocaust" because I haven't studied it enough, all I know is what I've seen in the movies like (Schindlers List)...

http://www.weesp.dk/Schindlers%20List%20Poster.jpg

But I tell you what (I have Noticed here at Avalon) every time someone even tries to honestly question the (Original) story they are (Bombarded) with (Abuse &/Or Rhetoric)...:yes4:

...and to me that is extremely (Unhealthy) in of itself

PS - Its not about being labeled a (Right or Left) Winger, its about uncovering the Truth...:yes4:

So to any future Abusers, please take that into consideration before (Pointing the Finger) at me or anyone who questions the (Official Story)...:noidea:

[Hazel]

The "Abuse &/0R Rhetoric" as you call it.. is seen to flow both ways Jackovesk
as often when folks see things differently to yourself, why become accusatory, inflated, and blinkered about their perspectives..
Yes.. who are we to discard the modus operandum of others regards uncovering their truth /'The Truth'... by the same token there's no need to feign martyrdom and immunity to criticism when others disagree.

Anyways.. this isn't the place for idle cherry picking, petty dramas and mud slinging
in the spirit of respecting differences I leave off posting any further in this thread.

;)

[Yetti]

Yep! I agree w/U Christine. Too many info/disinfo together, If the us gov really have that kind of technology, they are dropping the ball, because with the actual economic crisis , basically created around oil , having access to zero point tech is like to have 5 asses under the sleeve, but they do nothing, is sad and stupid! , on the other side Puttin is in the same position and... nothing... . Whoever jump ahead with new tech to suppress coal , nat gas and oil, wins! but seems to be another dark agenda first . We need to keep both eyes open and see what they do, not what they say! Chao tigra!

[sigma6]

Hitchcock's documentary? that's an oxymoron, he has a history despite how much I greatly enjoy his movies...
Great post jacko. I am with you 100% of the way...

The biggest mistake is take ANYTHING the MSM gives at face value, and they dished up a plate of sweeties on WWII...

Let's not forget the whole purpose of WWI and WWII was so that a elite families tied to the banking cartels could reap trillions of dollars of the death and destruction of a hundred million suckers...

Everything after that... is concocted... WWI started because someone assassinated a duke? LOL...
WWII because the Japanese were going to invade and take over the US... LOL...

Someone mentioned it doesn't matter that they exaggerated the numbers... This kind of systematic manipulation has been going on as far as recorded time, from the switching and sinking of the Titanic's sister ship. The Lusitainia, the Korean war, the Vietnam war... the idea that 6 million jews were killed in gas chambers is just another story... if they were so irate and disgusted with the Germans, why did Hitler go free? and live in South America for the rest of his life? Why did the entire cadre of Nazi scientists come over to the US? to be given the most plumb jobs?

I don't like the Holocaust mythology because it undermines and devalues the hundreds of millions of OTHER human lives that were taken. It's just a fairy tale to justify the creation of Isreal which is itself just a teleological outcome of the elites needing to maintain the illusion of Bible prophecy. And thus the power of the Bible and all the institutions that it makes money and has a undue amount of control over... And I'm not against Jews, Germans or the Bible... Just the way they are portrayed and manipulated...

I agree with Jacko ... QUESTION EVERYTHING... now I am not so sure about Putin and the aliens, but I wouldn't be surprised either... although there may be just as many alternative interpretations as "alien intervention" It will be a sad day when they finally do come down and greet us. We will be so jaded from all the misinformation, it will be nothing but a huge anti climax... lol

[Hazel]

Yup I've been drawn back in...
and ditto question everything (why else are we here on AF)

But no one serves 'Truth' by stitching conspiracy theories together in some usurping/agenda serving fashion either.

If its a duck it will quack... if its sand in a sieve it will all eventually fall through... may be a simplistic view point but has symbolic and practical merit...
Unfortunately, I sometimes get the impression that this arena is used by some as a scape goating platform and as a play ground for conspiracy sleuths who seek to grand stand and embellish their machismo/egos... that's all fine (part of lifes' game) as long as the voices of others arn't condescended to as part of the fun.

[The Truth Is In There]

people do not want to hear the truth if it doesn't fit with their expectations. that's nothing new. so much outrage and so little knowledge. the worst are those know-it-alls that dismiss revisionists' claims without even studying them in-depth.

i've studied them and my opinion changed very much in the process compared to the "re-education" i had received before. now it is based solely on provable facts, not physically impossible lies and mythology.

[Hazel]

"provable facts"... now there's an "oxymoron"

an anachronism worth exploring?!

Are we attempting to 'get real' here by toying with the notion of selling confidence in incontravertable and undoubtable truth(es)... pah

here-in we have the source bed of mythology...

[Hazel]

Zen version:

[Agape]

Firstly I like to categorically State this...


Question Everything..!

Secondly, I only care for the Truth...:yes4:

I'm just not into the (Politically Correct)...:bs: Designed by those to say "Hands Off" any type of questioning of whether in fact the (Holocaust) being True or False...

I just don't get it...:noidea:

I don't know about what 'Truly' happened in the Nazi Concentration Camps & I certainly don't "Trust" the MSM to make up my mind for me..!

The only reason I posted it was in direct contrast & flow on from the OP...



After the end of WW2, the City of London Banksters set up the new phony racial state of Israel to do their dirty work. To keep the new Israeli citizens adequately motivated to do their evil, they created a strong racial delusion based on the so-called “holocaust,” aka “self-deployed fiery sacrifice.”

This deployment of an exaggerated, racial persecution delusion created the necessary background allowing the false charge of Anti-Semitism to be leveled against anyone or any group attempting to investigate what really happened during the WW2 “Work Camp” persecution of “low Judaics” by “fake/high Judaics/zionists who sat in the background in the City of London calling the shots.

This use of Israel as an artificially constructed so-called “racial state” based on racial delusions and falsities has worked so well playing on the sympathies of Americans and other Western Nations. This has allowed Israel to completely hijack America, asset strip it almost bare, and use it as a captive force to wage its foreign proxy wars against entities who were not enemies of America at all, but who were artificially created to appear so by deception. And now for the first time, these toxic World Zionists (WZs), NeoCons and Israeli-American dual citizen Traitors are transforming America into a new War Zone by the creation and deployment of the zionist, pervert-driven Department of Homeland Security.

I myself have never studied the real 'Truth' about the Holocaust, and like many after the constant abuse of "Trust" from the MSM, I do not see anything wrong with exploring any alternative Theories...:nono:

I posted this 'Thread' just before sleep-time and was going to watch the 'The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax' when I awoke this morning. So I am just as curious as to what's in the clip as I'm sure many others are...

I refuse to (Hide Behind) the (Barricade to Information) erected by the likes of the AIPAC, ADL & SPLC designed to (:director: SHOUT DOWN) anyone who doubts the (Official Story)..!

PS - So you can call me an (ADL Anti-Semite) or an (SPLC Racist) whatever the hell you want to call me but don't you (DARE) question my (INTEGRITY) on trying to find out the God's honest (TRUTH) about this story or any other 'Subject' for that matter...:wizard:



Hi Jacko... I want to precede we all love you and appreciate your postings which I'm sure you know .


I'd have to rise this debate to whole another level that I fear could exceed possibilities of this public forum , from where I see it , to target all the controversies coming on my mind through some of these - debates and articles .

There are two main issues coming up repeatedly ... contradicting each other to great deal ..

one of them is your repeated self-assertion about 'ignorance' of certain events,
or impossibility of verifying their true form ..therefor , for you , the more plausible option , again, more plausible from where you 'stand' right now is more believable .

Someone ( was it you ) said in this thread something like : ''even the word Jew is such a tabu that I'm not sure whether it can be used and in what terms'' .

Of course .. that itself is a sign of wrong .. and I don't talk of 'political correctness' or 'anti-semitism' of 20th century .

The 'tag' on Hebrew nation dates back to the times when they escaped Egypt and went to search for their promised land !!!

Even in pharaonic Egypt , where they were one of the tribes serving the Pharaos ruling caste, these people were due to their tribal origin seen as inferior, outcasts, no matter their subsequent integration to Egyptian society, education and so forth, the 'sin' of their birth could not be repaired .
So when they 'packed their bags' and exiled to seek their own God promised land , taking the 'Arch of Covenant' with them , they were hated even more .

But such was the historical profile of all of your nations if you really care to check history, further than what happened last 100 years , peace between nations was rare .


The same people after all, took their 'sin' with them and coded it so to the Old Testament , to be remembered by all their future progeny , you were born of Sin.
The great Pharaoh once told them .. and it could not be forgotten easily .

So no matter their spiritual elevation, there seems to be this omnipresent doom present in Jewish nation, doom that can be fixed by keeping Gods laws and rules and educating yourself on being better human , God chosen human, not an animal indeed .

Intriguingly enough, most of other worlds religions adopted similar concept at some point of their history, a concept that labeled human birth impure ..and set human life as a path to achieve greater wisdom than 'being born as human' and purifying the 'original sin'.

Both Hindu and Buddhist theology and cosmology though they emerged continents apart are familiar with the same concept , so is Christianity who after all .. followed Judaism in its core principles.

Not to mention that after Roman occupation of Judea and crucification of Jesus Christ ( though many alternative historians here will beg to differ , speaking of historical consequences though rather than details of events ) ,
Christianity became the 'friendlier' and more adaptable option that was the New Gospel spread by disciples of Jesus to neighbouring countries ,
and Jews who chose to remain 'true' to their blood and 'sin' , remained simply Jews and carried the tradition along, with the new 'burden ' and new 'sin' imposed on them by some Christian theologists, namely for crucifying the Messiah .

Who blamed the Romans than Romans alone .. and we're slowly approaching your idea of NWO, anyway.


So there are one, two, three reasons why Jews who defined themselves by their 'blood' , or in todays terms certain 'genetic ecosystem' and number of typical haplogroups , and second to it by adherence to religion they claimed was given to them , in order to purify their birth and elevate themselves to Divine Status , near and dear to God,

were simultaneously claimed 'tabu' by almost every other historical community and not easily accepted .

The 'tabu' seems to persist to this day indeed . I also think it's wrong .

The problem with many other 'tabu's in this opening world and modern society is ignorance of their roots, and willingness to share .. and build bridges between any 'us' and any 'them' . Such lasting ignorance gives rise to countless perversions and misinterpretations of laws of nature .

Skipping over 2000 years ...


and noting that you've posted thread about this topic some time earlier where it was already, wildly discussed to detail : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66011-The-Hitler-Speech-They--Don-t--Want-You-To-Hear..-

( 30 pages thread full of documentaries on the subject for those of you interested )

that starts with 'open minded' suggestion that Hitler was possibly, after all, the 'right man' .

I consider myself quite an broad minded entity but I like to go to the very bottom of 'the pool' , and what you call 'care for the Truth' .


The Nazi party as we all know were extreme nationalists , and adherents of what you seem to strongly suspect and oppose in many other posts, the so called NWO.

Yes, the New World Order following the 3rd Reich was their plan after all, after they'd have the war against all the 'inferior barbarians' of this Planet and install strong functioning system controlled by arms , to protect their Aryan citizens .

It's not only Jews who were the main economical vault to mine , and force to conquer ( ideologically, they really did not pose any threat .. the value for any conquering nation rested in the economical plots ) , it was every other tribe and nation along with them,
starting by laws of 'inferiority' of race .

How far do you want to go with this really ? And do you watch just one type of documents, such as the neo-Nazi youth do to convince themselves that Hitler was the right and kind guy and the others , were all really bad and even worse liars ?

It's not a tabu these days .. more over ... the experiments of Nazi scientists , their faith in racial purity, eugenics, super-human traits, it all was transferred to hands of other parties before and after WWII ,
and the same experiments continued to help to shape todays genetics , medicine , physics and every other industry .

What they planned to achieve by force over number of few years was stopped and slowed down temporarily but the agenda is still very much on our plates,

under our nose .

So what kind of 'ignorance' do you claim here ? Without sarcasm . What links do you miss ?



Speaking of NWO again, the globalists agenda seems to target the US dominion at the moment as if they are the one responsible,

I ask you WHY ? Because theirs is the most advanced, enviable scientific achievements at the moment and 'ours' is the fear that it will be misused , to control the populace ?

I tell you what, simply. It's not the 'intelligence' that's targeting the masses, it's not any 'intelligence' destroying your environments, it's ignorance and barbarian , brute force .

I don't see that American public would hate other people , or that it'd be taught such hatred , unless .. of course , they themselves choose to find their enemy, within or without .

It's the only nation that is not ashamed to slam and criticise their leaders ad absurdum, call them the beasts, the reptiles, the Nazis, whom-ever else ,
just because it is allowed .

No other nation would ravage so much, against their own , awaiting no repercussions.

That's one reason I said .. how many of you who live in the US, would want to live in Russia for longer than 2 weeks, country where 'free speech' is tolerated as long as it supports the president ? Where you'd be labeled 'dissidents' and 'law breakers' if you cared to criticise Putin and put to jail or lets say , mental asylum for couple of years, to cool down ?

Who else is breaking their country, from within than its own people ?

You say you admire how Hitler was right, ruling by strong hand .. having a vision for you,

but it's not for everyone Jacko, and collective, wish to live in strong uniformed military like systems where everything works perfect ( until it breaks ) and where people are mercifully terminated when they're ill.


A time to stop my war against the world I guess ...


Have a good day


:angel:

[Hazel]

Agape, thank you so much for taking the time to illustrate for us the many pieces to the bigger picture and for giving such a clear appraisal about our tendencies, historical and current.

The show stopper that you bring to our floundering misconceptions is when you slap us awake with:

"It's not any 'intelligence' that's targeting the masses, it's not any 'intelligence' destroying your environments, it's ignorance and barbarian brute force."

Chastening words indeed.... something many of us suspect is 'the Truth' of it on a deeper level I'm certain, but in our egocentric blindness and fundamental fear of gazing too long in the mirror, we opt for more comforting 'blame worthy' and/or grandoise explanations for the Hell we create. We could be accused of being collectively delusional, when pre occupied with conjuring our deflectors in the 'pastime' of speculative conspiracy theories.

As you point to, our history attests to what could be called a fear based sado-masochistic drive, which has us habitually scape goat those of difference as 'vermin'/unworthy/unclean which determines a 'self-imprisoning'/isolating urge or state, that must purify and exalt itself to be worthy of place and status once more / or perish. Further, (and this is our stain)... shamefully this 'weak' survivalist tendency is manipulated and capitalized upon and what is worse, to which end.. each of us (ironically.. in varying degrees) are both perpetrators and permissive.

The BIG question remains, how willing are we who "QUESTION EVERYTHING" up for honestly facing-up and taking responsible action... when confronted by this most inconvenient TRUTH ?!


To end on a seriously/comical note: Beyond our blithe arrogance, could be said... we are no better equipped than the blind mole rat...
25147


**Agape: all being said... I do hope in my eternal optimism, that your fear that your words"may exceed the possibilities of this public forum" is not correct.

[jackovesk]

Firstly I like to categorically State this...


Question Everything..!

Secondly, I only care for the Truth...

I'm just not into the (Politically Correct)...bs Designed by those to say "Hands Off" any type of questioning of whether in fact the (Holocaust) being True or False...

I just don't get it...

I don't know about what 'Truly' happened in the Nazi Concentration Camps & I certainly don't "Trust" the MSM to make up my mind for me..!

The only reason I posted it was in direct contrast & flow on from the OP...



After the end of WW2, the City of London Banksters set up the new phony racial state of Israel to do their dirty work. To keep the new Israeli citizens adequately motivated to do their evil, they created a strong racial delusion based on the so-called “holocaust,” aka “self-deployed fiery sacrifice.”

This deployment of an exaggerated, racial persecution delusion created the necessary background allowing the false charge of Anti-Semitism to be leveled against anyone or any group attempting to investigate what really happened during the WW2 “Work Camp” persecution of “low Judaics” by “fake/high Judaics/zionists who sat in the background in the City of London calling the shots.

This use of Israel as an artificially constructed so-called “racial state” based on racial delusions and falsities has worked so well playing on the sympathies of Americans and other Western Nations. This has allowed Israel to completely hijack America, asset strip it almost bare, and use it as a captive force to wage its foreign proxy wars against entities who were not enemies of America at all, but who were artificially created to appear so by deception. And now for the first time, these toxic World Zionists (WZs), NeoCons and Israeli-American dual citizen Traitors are transforming America into a new War Zone by the creation and deployment of the zionist, pervert-driven Department of Homeland Security.

I myself have never studied the real 'Truth' about the Holocaust, and like many after the constant abuse of "Trust" from the MSM, I do not see anything wrong with exploring any alternative Theories...

I posted this 'Thread' just before sleep-time and was going to watch the 'The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax' when I awoke this morning. So I am just as curious as to what's in the clip as I'm sure many others are...

I refuse to (Hide Behind) the (Barricade to Information) erected by the likes of the AIPAC, ADL & SPLC designed to (:director: SHOUT DOWN) anyone who doubts the (Official Story)..!

PS - So you can call me an (ADL Anti-Semite) or an (SPLC Racist) whatever the hell you want to call me but don't you (DARE) question my (INTEGRITY) on trying to find out the God's honest (TRUTH) about this story or any other 'Subject' for that matter...

Hi Jacko... I want to precede we all love you and appreciate your postings which I'm sure you know .

I'd have to rise this debate to whole another level that I fear could exceed possibilities of this public forum , from where I see it , to target all the controversies coming on my mind through some of these - debates and articles .

There are two main issues coming up repeatedly ... contradicting each other to great deal ..

one of them is your repeated self-assertion about 'ignorance' of certain events,
or impossibility of verifying their true form ..therefor , for you , the more plausible option , again, more plausible from where you 'stand' right now is more believable .

Someone ( was it you ) said in this thread something like : ''even the word Jew is such a tabu that I'm not sure whether it can be used and in what terms'' .

Of course .. that itself is a sign of wrong .. and I don't talk of 'political correctness' or 'anti-semitism' of 20th century .

The 'tag' on Hebrew nation dates back to the times when they escaped Egypt and went to search for their promised land !!!

Even in pharaonic Egypt , where they were one of the tribes serving the Pharaos ruling caste, these people were due to their tribal origin seen as inferior, outcasts, no matter their subsequent integration to Egyptian society, education and so forth, the 'sin' of their birth could not be repaired .
So when they 'packed their bags' and exiled to seek their own God promised land , taking the 'Arch of Covenant' with them , they were hated even more .

But such was the historical profile of all of your nations if you really care to check history, further than what happened last 100 years , peace between nations was rare .

The same people after all, took their 'sin' with them and coded it so to the Old Testament , to be remembered by all their future progeny , you were born of Sin.
The great Pharaoh once told them .. and it could not be forgotten easily .

So no matter their spiritual elevation, there seems to be this omnipresent doom present in Jewish nation, doom that can be fixed by keeping Gods laws and rules and educating yourself on being better human , God chosen human, not an animal indeed .

Intriguingly enough, most of other worlds religions adopted similar concept at some point of their history, a concept that labeled human birth impure ..and set human life as a path to achieve greater wisdom than 'being born as human' and purifying the 'original sin'.

Both Hindu and Buddhist theology and cosmology though they emerged continents apart are familiar with the same concept , so is Christianity who after all .. followed Judaism in its core principles.

Not to mention that after Roman occupation of Judea and crucification of Jesus Christ ( though many alternative historians here will beg to differ , speaking of historical consequences though rather than details of events ) ,
Christianity became the 'friendlier' and more adaptable option that was the New Gospel spread by disciples of Jesus to neighbouring countries ,
and Jews who chose to remain 'true' to their blood and 'sin' , remained simply Jews and carried the tradition along, with the new 'burden ' and new 'sin' imposed on them by some Christian theologists, namely for crucifying the Messiah .

Who blamed the Romans than Romans alone .. and we're slowly approaching your idea of NWO, anyway.

So there are one, two, three reasons why Jews who defined themselves by their 'blood' , or in todays terms certain 'genetic ecosystem' and number of typical haplogroups , and second to it by adherence to religion they claimed was given to them , in order to purify their birth and elevate themselves to Divine Status , near and dear to God,

were simultaneously claimed 'tabu' by almost every other historical community and not easily accepted .

The 'tabu' seems to persist to this day indeed . I also think it's wrong .

The problem with many other 'tabu's in this opening world and modern society is ignorance of their roots, and willingness to share .. and build bridges between any 'us' and any 'them' . Such lasting ignorance gives rise to countless perversions and misinterpretations of laws of nature .

Skipping over 2000 years ...

and noting that you've posted thread about this topic some time earlier where it was already, wildly discussed to detail : http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66011-The-Hitler-Speech-They--Don-t--Want-You-To-Hear..-

( 30 pages thread full of documentaries on the subject for those of you interested )

that starts with 'open minded' suggestion that Hitler was possibly, after all, the 'right man' .

I consider myself quite an broad minded entity but I like to go to the very bottom of 'the pool' , and what you call 'care for the Truth' .

The Nazi party as we all know were extreme nationalists , and adherents of what you seem to strongly suspect and oppose in many other posts, the so called NWO.

Yes, the New World Order following the 3rd Reich was their plan after all, after they'd have the war against all the 'inferior barbarians' of this Planet and install strong functioning system controlled by arms , to protect their Aryan citizens .

It's not only Jews who were the main economical vault to mine , and force to conquer ( ideologically, they really did not pose any threat .. the value for any conquering nation rested in the economical plots ) , it was every other tribe and nation along with them,
starting by laws of 'inferiority' of race .

How far do you want to go with this really ? And do you watch just one type of documents, such as the neo-Nazi youth do to convince themselves that Hitler was the right and kind guy and the others , were all really bad and even worse liars ?

It's not a tabu these days .. more over ... the experiments of Nazi scientists , their faith in racial purity, eugenics, super-human traits, it all was transferred to hands of other parties before and after WWII ,
and the same experiments continued to help to shape todays genetics , medicine , physics and every other industry .

What they planned to achieve by force over number of few years was stopped and slowed down temporarily but the agenda is still very much on our plates,

under our nose .

So what kind of 'ignorance' do you claim here ? Without sarcasm . What links do you miss ?

Speaking of NWO again, the globalists agenda seems to target the US dominion at the moment as if they are the one responsible,

I ask you WHY ? Because theirs is the most advanced, enviable scientific achievements at the moment and 'ours' is the fear that it will be misused , to control the populace ?

I tell you what, simply. It's not the 'intelligence' that's targeting the masses, it's not any 'intelligence' destroying your environments, it's ignorance and barbarian , brute force .

I don't see that American public would hate other people , or that it'd be taught such hatred , unless .. of course , they themselves choose to find their enemy, within or without .

It's the only nation that is not ashamed to slam and criticise their leaders ad absurdum, call them the beasts, the reptiles, the Nazis, whom-ever else ,
just because it is allowed .

No other nation would ravage so much, against their own , awaiting no repercussions.

That's one reason I said .. how many of you who live in the US, would want to live in Russia for longer than 2 weeks, country where 'free speech' is tolerated as long as it supports the president ? Where you'd be labeled 'dissidents' and 'law breakers' if you cared to criticise Putin and put to jail or lets say , mental asylum for couple of years, to cool down ?

Who else is breaking their country, from within than its own people ?

You say you admire how Hitler was right, ruling by strong hand .. having a vision for you,

but it's not for everyone Jacko, and collective, wish to live in strong uniformed military like systems where everything works perfect ( until it breaks ) and where people are mercifully terminated when they're ill.

A time to stop my war against the world I guess ...

Have a good day

:angel:

Could'nt understand what you are trying to say there Agape...:noidea:

Could both you & Recap1...


Recap1:

Whose been waiting, sitting on this 'Thread' for the past 2 days trolling, slyly biding her time, waiting with baited breath :spy: attacking me ever so subtly & waiting for me to take the bait :fish2: and ((BITE)) :croc:

Condense your criticisms in 1-2 sentence rebuttals so everyone can understand where you are both coming from...?

Remember keep your attacks both brief & to the point so I can give you an honest answer...

Perhaps set them out in (Bullet Points)

At least then it will be out in the open (For all to See)...:thumb:

Looking forward to your Words of Wisdom...:)

PS - Bet your relieved the long painful (2 Day) wait is over, hey Recap1...:pound:

[Hazel]

Your mockery and bait is egocentric, childish, crude and tiresome Jacko... sorry to dissapoint but not taking it..
again you demean all your salient gifts with such behaviour - a great pity

[jackovesk]

Your mockery and bait is egocentric, childish, crude and tiresome Jacko... sorry to dissapoint but not taking it..
again you demean all your salient gifts with such behaviour - a great pity

All I have to say to you Recap1 is ((nothing)) due to your wrong tact, wrong inferences & wrong argument...


Disclaimer:

Out of respect to fellow members jackovesk can no longer engage in introspective debate with another member of this forum if he does not agree with &/or find another's opinion old-hat or forms poor judgement due to combative behavior or someone who is knowingly soothing one's taste for petty revenge...

jackovesk apoligises for any inconvenience caused...:neo:

[Hazel]

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The message being DON'T QUESTION ME...
just plain old wrong no matter the level of paranoia conspiracy porn

Why represent my need to debate on this thread as a personal attack Jacko... that's surely a divisive misrepresentation of my right and intent. especially coming from someone as capable as yourself. If you're not interested in the way the thread you began is going, or not up for engaging regards differences... just leave it to the rest... no need for playing victim and deriding those that do engage in the Questioning you rightly espouse. Again for the record I will state that generally I find your conspiracy research dynamic and important... but every rabbit hole you go down cannot and will not please all of the people all of the time. So why... tarnish your good works with caustic responses when people disagree? No need.. don't get it frankly, your better than that. Handling criticism (perceived or real) is an Achilles heel for all of us and a marker of our personal development.. it may be no accident that it be one who has grappled with it big time that brings it to your attention.

:peace:

[Flash]

Jacko, I understood Agape very well.

Her worries that her words may not be understood in this forum may have proven true with your comments lol

[Agape]

Recap1:

Whose been waiting, sitting on this 'Thread' for the past 2 days trolling, slyly biding her time, waiting with baited breath :spy: attacking me ever so subtly & waiting for me to take the bait :fish2: and ((BITE)) :croc:

Condense your criticisms in 1-2 sentence rebuttals so everyone can understand where you are both coming from...?




Jack, no one is 'waiting sitting' on your threads , to attack you. I don't know you. You seem to be funny guy ( that's on positive side ) and posting lots of others peoples news .

Please alert me if you ever care to express your ideas and opinions in concise language ( any language, no problem , I'll take care of translation ) in depth, in own ideas , rather than this continuous mockery .

I find difficult to discuss with someone in this rather empty minded manner .


Actually it's you who derail every attempt for serious debate here . Can't get your 'accent' sorry. The 'problem' with you is talking of things that you admit to misunderstand in tune that is not adequate to the gravity of the topics.


And ( Simon says ) , you're not young child :angel:

[Taurean]

The only people to be used and abused for the last 2000 years are the Christians.

Unfortunately the Romans unleashed a virus on to this Planet when they disposessed the Jews.

Sooner or later just about every community that takes them in ends up expelling them due to their nefarious and depraved proclivities

Their real penetration into western civilisation begins with their financing of William the Bastard's invasion of England in 1066.

It's a long and convoluted story from that point, but if there's bloodletting involved, - qui bono.

[Hazel]

The only people to be used and abused for the last 2000 years are the Christians.

Unfortunately the Romans unleashed a virus on to this Planet when they disposessed the Jews.

Sooner or later every community that takes them in ends up expelling them due to their nefarious and depraved proclivities

Their real penetration into western civilisation begins with their financing of William the Bastard's invasion of England in 1066.

It's a long and convoluted story from that point, but if there's bloodletting involved, - qui bono.

It's interesting that our moderators permit such a post or the inclusion of a video titled 'The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax' for that matter.... surely I'm not the only one thinking this way?! And I don't fear the facile bullying retorts about my' wrongness' and inability to embrace 'the knowledge'.... I DO KNOW that this wicked insult to the intergenerational suffering of others, overtly and covertly expressed in this thread, has gone on too long.

[panopticon]

The only people to be used and abused for the last 2000 years are the Christians.

Unfortunately the Romans unleashed a virus on to this Planet when they disposessed the Jews.


Up until the adoption of Christianity by Constantine your first assertion possibly has some merit, however following the 4th Century CE it was the Christians who were doing the persecuting.

The process adopted for the transition to Christianity was calculated and well planned:

First Christianity was made acceptable as one of the many cults in the Empire (see the 313 CE Edict of Milan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Milan)).
It was raised to the position of State religion by making it the proxy official religion of the Legions (this is where the armed power lay and to research this start here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Milvian_Bridge)).
Last the other cults were outlawed and all their wealth/power taken from them.

This is commonly referred to as the Constantinian Shift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinian_shift) and wikipedia again may be a good place to start for anyone who wants to research this evolution of Christianity from cult to religion under Constantine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I_and_Christianity).

It is debated as to whether Constantine was a Christian prior to the Battle of the Milvian Bridge but not really relevant to my point:
Christianity was adopted as the official religion of the Roman Empire to shift power away from the cults and centralise it in the hands of the Emperor.

Anyone who says that 'The only people to be used and abused for the last 2000 years are the Christians' has a limited knowledge of history as it relates to Christendom and the various purges, genocides, massacres etc committed in its name by its adherents.

The 4th Century Pagan Massacres are a place to start then there's the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Heretic Trials and Witches Trials which all give a nice cross section if we want to start looking at Christians "using and abusing". What about all them good Christian folks who committed genocide in the America's and Australia? Or maybe for a non-European Christian led civil war, that directly resulted in more than 20 million deaths in 19th Century China, try:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

BTW, the Roman's never dispossessed the Jews. That is incorrect. Jews were stopped from going into Jerusalem around 70 CE following the revolt but that was just Jerusalem. Many Jews lived in Judea after the Christian Crusaders were driven out by the Muslims in the 7th Century CE and then again following the Crusaders winning back Jerusalem beginning 12th Century CE the Muslims reconquered late 12th Century CE (though there were a number of massacres of Jews in this period by the Christian forces). Under the Ottoman Empire (16th - 20th Century) there was again increased migration of Jews into the region as they were once again not victimised as they had been under Christian rule. Essentially, Jews were not allowed to enter Jerusalem when the Roman's or Christian controlled it from ~70 CE to post-WWI. I think the rest of Judea was fine though there were the occasional massacres of Jews by the Christian forces.

I get a bit confused as to why people think that the Jews were removed by the Roman's. Outside of their periodic rebellions, the Roman's had very little problems with the Jews or Early Christians (despite the folk stories/myths that say the contrary). Wasn't until Christianity went mainstream Roman that Christian's attacked the Jews. Prior to this they got along fairly well. The main split started to occur following the 2nd Century CE revolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt) with the Christian's not fighting against the Roman's with the Jews (though there are other contributing factors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_of_early_Christianity_and_Judaism) that caused the split). But that wasn't the Christian's and Jew's not getting along, just that the Christian's didn't believe that the revolt leader, Simon bar Kokhba, was the Messiah (for obvious reasons). From memory I think there were killings of Christian's by Jews in this short period (though I can't remember the numbers reported off the top of my head I think it was fairly small) but I can't remember the details.

Now, if it's at all possible can there be a discussion about the OP?

I really get confused when the topic is about Putin, Russia, Crimea, Ukraine advanced weaponry, aliens, etc yet somehow I'm writing about Christian's being used/abused [NOT!] and Jews in antiquity... Oh and I'm not interested in having a discussion on the deaths in concentration camps during WWII. That has been discussed ad nauseum in another Jacko thread recently (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66011-The-Hitler-Speech-They--Don-t--Want-You-To-Hear..-) (as Agape pointed out above) and I see no reason to have 2 threads running concurrently on the same topic.

Is there actually any evidence to support any of the allegations made in the OP (other than bloody Punce having a new song out) or is it just a bunch a words strung together to make sentences with no actual meaning or truth to be found...

:focus:

-- Pan

[Flash]

Now, if it's at all possible can there be a discussion about the OP?

I really get confused when the topic is about Putin, Russia, Crimea, Ukraine advanced weaponry, aliens, etc yet somehow I'm writing about Christian's being used/abused [NOT!] and Jews in antiquity... Oh and I'm not interested in having a discussion on the deaths in concentration camps during WWII. That has been discussed ad nauseum in another Jacko thread recently (as Agape pointed out above) and I see no reason to have 2 threads running concurrently on the same topic.

Is there actually any evidence to support any of the allegations made in the OP (other than bloody Punce having a new song out) or is it just a bunch a words strung together to make sentences with no actual meaning or truth to be found...


I agree, i always open the thread thinking there will be something new on the russian front and fall down on the eternal Jewish discussion. And then I forget and open it again lol, it is a loss of time

[loungelizard]

Sorry if people think I'm digressing here, but the OP makes some pretty heavy allegations, and there is a connection to the 2nd post about the holocaust so here goes :o


Hello Jackovesk

I've not been able to watch the video you put on in your post 2 (I'm on a limited download contract at the moment) but I'm making the assumption from the blurb that this is based on Carlo Mattogno's work, which is available by free PDF if you want to read it for yourself.
A critique of the claims made in this book is also freely available from the Barnes Review: "Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka. Holocaust Denial and Operation Reinhard. A Critique of the Falsehoods of Mattogno, Graf and Kues" and another very detailed response is here at http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/response-to-mattogno/ and these analyses in particular pretty well destroy Mattogno's theories.

After reading the blurb with the video, and browsing the related website, could you elaborate on these points as they are stated in the video as you said you were intending to watch the video so:


what is the evidence proving Treblinka was a transit camp, rather than a death camp? (I have accessed the Word document provided by the website as evidence but it is unfortunately meaningless without further explanation(maybe that's in the film?) ): many of the links are irrelevant

how is the claim that diesel gassing, that has been documented as having been carried out, proven to be absurd?

where are the non-existent mass graves? I couldn't find any reference on the website to the extensive work carried out by the forensic archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls of Staffordshire University, which began in 2010. This investigation, which is ongoing, includes satellite imagery and mapping software, together with a range of geophysical surveying tools such as ground penetrating radar, resistance survey and electrical imaging. Her PhD 'Holocaust Archaeology: Archaeological Approaches to Landscapes of Nazi Genocide and Persecution' is very informative, and if you want to read more about Treblinka specifically, her book" Finding Treblinka. Archaeological Investigations at Treblinka Extermination and Labour Camps" is due to be published this year. Is this mentioned in the film?

who was forced to confess?

Thank you.


PS Oh and as Agape already pointed out Jackovesk, there was recently a previous thread dealing with this emotive and sensitive subject, that has had 20,000 views and 509 replies. Almost all the contributors showed respect and maturity so to claim that this subject always gets touchy isn't true. It's interesting to note that this civilised discussion was on a thread you started, but you rarely entered into the discussion after that…I can't help but wonder why, if it's a subject in which you are interested…

[loungelizard]

Hello again Jackovesk - sorry to post twice in a row, but I've just had another thought! You say "Question everything". Questioning is the beginning of the process. It's not an end product in itself. There is no point in questioning everything if we never look more closely in our search for answers.

To fall into a habit of questioning everything without then embarking on a quest for answers is to spiral aimlessly down into misery, and healthy, open minded questioning becomes insular, destructive suspicion. It is an excuse for lazy thinking.

We question in our search to make sense of the world. Insistent questioning and critical thinking help us to eliminate bad answers.

There are philosophical questions that do not have answers - but the questions around the holocaust are not philosophical questions. They are earthly, material and practical and as such, have answers based on material evidence for those who chose to look.

We question.
We examine evidence.
We verify sources.
We scrutinise our assumptions and preconceptions.
We balance and substantiate proof.
We arrive at conclusions.

Or we are merely being entertained? :popcorn:

You've posted this type of material before. Is this because you have a specific interest in this field? Oh no, it can't be that because you state that you haven't done any research in this area, and you would have looked into it if you were genuinely interested.

If you ask a question, that comes with responsibility - to do the work and analyse the evidence. And you have to be prepared to face the answer.

You make it clear that you suspect the MSM. Do you also suspect the "alternative media"? It would be illogical to do otherwise, if you are advocating the "question everything" approach.

You see Jackovesk, you're right. One have to question everything. EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. Not just that which is an inconvenient truth that disturbs our own world view.

We have to study the whole gamut, from The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax, Codoh and the IHR all the way through to the USHMM and Nizkor. Only then will we start to find answers to those pesky questions.

[Jake]

QUESTION EVERYTHING.. (or should I??)

Am I missing something?? I just read this discussion,, TWICE... And cannot see how anyone can discuss Russia and alleged alien contacts while opposing camps are discussing the holocaust. It seems, that if this discussion continues to degenerate into an inflammatory and series of poisonous exchanges, then the discussion will be closed. Jacko,, you seemed to have derailed your original post on the matter. (unless I am missing something.) Is there an obvious connection between Alien support of Russia,,, and the Holocaust?? If there is,, then I missed it. If there isn't,,, then can we please stay on topic?? If we can't get this show back on track, then we should close up,,, and move along.

Thanks, everyone..
Jake.

[Hazel]

oh dear my apologies to all, this image was attached in error and now I am unable to remove it.

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Mod-edit - image removed - Paul.

[Shane]

If one could go back far enough, they will find that even our Draco reptilians were controlled at one point, by another. They freed themselves of this control. Unfortunately they used this knowledge to control others, but, they took the self responsibility and broke their own chains at a long ago moment.

No other ET race came to save them.

Warring ET races happen for two main reasons. One race is looking to control another, or already has control of another.. And someone else wants that control. They do not fight to free races that are not fighting for themselves.. Which, humans are not.

Based on that alone this idea of different races working with different human governments only makes sense from a human perspective. Humans who have watched one or two or ten of their own nations throughout history who fight for other nations (illusion of) "freedom".

Violating the will of others is wrong. Simple. Attacking someone in defence of someone else, therefor, is still an approach that leads to wrong action. Standing between an attacker and their victim, and defending your self when the attacker attacks you to get to the victim is the approach that makes defending said person a right action. Support. Not retaliatory attacks.

My point: any race helping Russia fight against the US openly (using these two countries as an example only) cannot by the laws of nature free us from control. They can only fight to take control for themselves.

So IF there is truth to this.. It is not good news.

[Hazel]

Shane.... thank you so much for bringing us back to topic in such a rounded way.... that got me thinking:

your astute observations re scenarios about ET's assisting Nations delivers an angle on a dynamic that may of course not be exclusive to that of mankind.

But then, the who/what/where and how regards possible other 'Laws of Nature' regard unknown 'other(s)' are we in a position to know of/understand, never mind equate to? The findings of science about ourselves, our planet and astro physics is admitted by some to be still at a fairly primary level. When set against our common understandings of our human nature and the mechanics of our consciousness... we are not impressively far along the path of full illumination.

In our 'reality' and realms of knowing, we cannot take too much as a given, when bound in our minds by the Laws availed to us within 'the hologram'... that we are conditioned by (and is after all projected for us/by us...). By the same token, our hunger to find out is the stuff of our wonder and speculation... and what keeps our curiosity and hunger for the next moment alive. :cool:

Are the 'Laws' we understand ourselves to be Governed by... Universal throughout the Cosmos?

[Agape]

Have you ever heard of 'Operation Mocking Bird' ? If not ... just google it .

It's the first and only reason I've ever entered this thread , the information about 'some ETs' supporting 'one nation' against 'another nation' is bogus , mockery and another subversive attempt to destabilise the mainstream and alternative information field and public opinion.

Do you really think that any advanced Space-faring civilisation who live in Peace with themselves for million of years come here to support wars ?

Do you really think that such Beings are 'dummies' interested in petty political games, in taking 'control' over the ZOO of human society ,
whom they feel immense pity and compassion for ?

Do you really think that everyone intelligent up there is so bad as you believe them and yourself to be , does it make sense ?

No it doesn't . I am perfectly sure it doesn't . It has close to zero meaning to intervene 'at all' on this planet . Why I am saying so is because I see and experience how it works , daily, for some XX years now .

Human folks despise every complication, complexity and pattern beyond what they've been taught . Up to the highest echelons of science,
when a thing, phenomenon or being looks 'alien' they're afraid to approach it without arms . The realisation 'the mistake is in us' and 'the mistake can be willingly removed' did not dawn to them yet .

They'll better send lab rats to make 'first contact' . Then perhaps, a chimpanzee couple .. observe , what does it do .
They'll sit behind glass wall and watch what's going on. Pass you a glass of water, perhaps .. ( it costs $10 bottle ) .

They're the same .. all around the globe ... the 'MJ's , the hard core skeptics club, the petrified fossils of human civilisation searching for still harder fossils ,
the painted stony faces,
the puppet theatre .

There's no life in the Universe beyond they're puppet theatre - for if there was , beware it could damage their well groomed performance and pose a threat to the allied airspace .


...

Telling you this ... to all of you who ever flew on planes ... or Ships ... or whatever crafts ... high above this Planet at night .. and watched the little starry clusters of cities , and lighted highways , and mountain formations never to be seen from ground .. and the huge white clouds and gulf streams bellow ...

only a fool .. with chains on his legs and hands ... would wish to burn the place .. the isles of its poor starting civilisation... only a fool would not feel love and compassion for its inhabitants .

From my 'ET Contacts' .. and that's long ago.. I've got this stated very clearly ... we are not prepared for 'close encounter' scenario.

They watch our planet from above - when they do - and see potential war zones , fire zones that could blast and escalate to full conflict anytime,

and the FEAR such a war more than you do. I know because I fear wars , arguments, threats and violence ,
even those little petty home arguments .. not to speak about wars . The pictures of ugliness and sadness and pathos and teared eyes , and broken arms and faces , are simply ..not for me .

If one or another of your great leaders claim a support of Allah, Jehova or Extraterrestrials in their wars , they're simply liars . And if they pay media or those media volunteer to propose such blatant lies ..
I see nothing here . Nothing that could be fixed anymore.

Just society descending to total chaos and I'm perfectly sure YOU WILL have to sort it yourself .


Us 'ET's have been here when Peace and Understanding was 'enabled' in your 'options' . If you 'disable' those options , and go to kick each others teeth out ,
we won't be watching it .. it's too much to ask .


Sorry to say that :angel:

[Hazel]

Wow... that synopsis of yours Agape is what we could call an inglorious kick in the 'wisdom' teeth for humanity...

it kinda breezes through our myopic self-focussed idealization... positing us like some 'exquisite corpse' on a desserlet plain of reason...

our wings sticky with the jam of collective ignorance...
we remain Earthbound / with gigantic black eyes gazing in desperation and wonder at all thats' unattainable' of which we can only dream.

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[ThePythonicCow]

March 2014

Russian President Vladimir Putin seems to be walking with a prideful swagger in his step lately.
Preston James, of Veterans Today, has a new version of this report: Secret Space War XIV: Tall White Nordics call Marduk’s Bluff ? (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/17/secret-space-war-xiv-tall-white-nordics-call-marduks-bluff/)

It's an excellent read.

Here is its conclusion:

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If information provided by current or former members of the American Secret Space War System have been accurate, it appears that President Putin has decided to stand fast against the evil Draco system that hijacked most of the world including the UK, Israel, France, Germany, NATO, and America. This is a very bold move and suggests that perhaps President Putin has some new backing from a very powerful Alien ET force, the Tall White Nordics who are also believed to be in contact with a new upcoming group deep inside the American Military and and Intel.

It is also believed that there is a very deep split within the Secret Shadow Government (SSG). The “Circle of Twelve” bloodthirsty “Denver Group” that currently controls the IZCS, the WZs and their Cutouts (AIPAC, DHS and its TSA, B’nai B’brith, the ADL and the SPLC and the like), and even the American zionist Federal Reserve Bank has been basically untouchable until fully exposed by prominent federal Whistle-blower Stew Webb. It is now being chipped away at from all sides and is in notable decline. It’s main Cutout the Bush Crime Cabal is losing power fast and is in deep decline and has been splitting from zio control lately fro some unknown reason. Some believe that this notable decline in the SSG, the Circle of Twelve, and the Bush Crime Cabal is largely due to a new secret alliance with this new up and coming group on American Military and Intel and the Tall White Nordics like President Putin has entered into.

It is also believed that Chinese leaders have entered into a new alliance with a certain Alien ET group which has an underwater base on the floor of the Pacific Ocean somewhere off the California Coast. It is not yet been leaked which particular group this is but so far it appears that it apparently has nothing to do with Marduk or the Dracos.(8)

Only time will tell where this is all going, but it appears that a major world conflict is brewing between those nation-states controlled by the Dracos and their zionist Cutouts and those nation-states no longer under their evil grip. It is difficult to get a good handle on all this due to the extreme compartmenting and so-called national security aspects. About the best we can do for now is speculate using the various leaks from inside the Secret Space War System that have occurred.(9) I would certainly like it if none of the claims about Alien ETs were true, however there is a large body on overwhelming evidence from very reliable, credible retired Military and Intel sources which suggests otherwise.

One thing is for certain. All State-based Secrecy including Crytographics is ending and the process is well underway, thanks to the advent of inter-dimensional/multi-dimensional new zero-point or near zero point quantum computers. All physics texts will have to be completely rewritten because they are currently wrong, very wrong about many things.

And if the University and college Systems are to survive at all, every bit of their deep zio/Draconian censorship and suppression of the real truth about the world’s hidden history will have to be openly disclosed and discussed in the open. No more situations like the illegal and extreme abuse of Dr. Kevin Barrett just because of his beliefs that he never taught in the classroom. All this censorship and suppression of real truth in the Universities will stop as all state secrets are exposed.

Then perhaps you will see real discussions about the true state of politics, history and economies determined by Babylonian Money-Magick instead of all the cover stories and blatant lies and mind-kontrol and obtuse cultural programming of the naive, suggestible students.
~~~~~~~~~~~

[giovonni]

FULL SPEECH

Published on Mar 18, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLwu4E35us

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Interesting analysis by former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Dr. Craig Paul Roberts.

link (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/17/two-steps-forward-one-step-back-paul-craig-roberts/)

Two Steps Forward, One Step Back
Paul Craig Roberts

Washington’s plan to seize Ukraine and to evict Russia from its Black Sea naval base has come amiss. But to turn around Lenin’s quote, “two steps forward, one step back.”

Do you remember all the tough talk coming from John Kerry, the White House Fool, Hilary Clinton, and the lickspittle Merkel about the harsh sanctions that would “badly damage” the Russian economy unless Russia prevented the referendum vote in Crimea? Well, it was all bull****, more hot air from the White House sock puppet and the lickspittle German chancellor who is a disgrace to the German nation. As the Russians kept telling John Kerry, sanctions on Russia would destroy Europe and do little damage to Russia.

I wish the Russians had kept this to themselves. I was looking forward to the Washington morons destroying NATO by closing down the European economy.

Of course, after pretending that they were macho tough guys, something that Washington’s presstitute media could hype as sanctions had to be imposed, so Washington came up with sanctions, not on Russia, but on eleven individuals: the deposed Ukrainian president, an advisor to the deposed president, 2 Crimean officials, and 7 Russians.

The choice of the officials is an utter mystery. The seven Russians are a Putin aid, a Putin adviser, four members of the Russian parliament (Duma) and a deputy prime minister. What any of these people had to do with the referendum in Crimea, no one knows.

Moreover, the sanctions only apply to foreign bank accounts that these 11 individuals might have outside Russia. Most likely, that means only the deposed Ukrainian president, if we are to believe all the propaganda about him. Other reports say that the sanctions are only for the next six months.

If the Washington and EU criminals steal any money from these persons, the Russian central bank can replenish their stolen accounts.

The people who decided that Crimea would disassociate from Ukraine and return to Russia were the people themselves. Under the wording of Obama’s stupid sanctions, his sanctions should apply to the Crimean people who voted to disassociate from the US stooge government in Kiev.

Additionally, Obama’s sanctions apply to himself and to his regime and to its NATO puppets as it was the West that overthrew the elected government of Ukraine, not Russia or Crimea. The Americans, of course, never apply law to themselves.

In other words, the sanctions are totally meaningless. Yet, the White House Fool declared: “If Russia continues to interfere in Ukraine, we stand ready to impose further sanctions.”

Obama’s hypocrisy makes a person want to puke. It is the White House Fool who is interfering in Ukraine. It was Washington that financed and organized the overthrow of the elected Ukraine government, using well organized and well armed neo-nazis to intimidate the unarmed police and ruling party, thus clearing the way for Washington to set up an unelected government of its well-paid stooges.

What the incompetent White House Fool overlooked is that southern and eastern Ukraine are Russian, not Ukrainian, so the fool’s coup has caused Crimea to depart and is causing widespread protests in eastern Ukraine against Washington’s stooge unelected government in Kiev. Washington’s stooge Kiev government has appointed unelected Ukrainian multibillionaire oligarchs, who have their own private security forces, as mayors of the Russian cities to put down the protests. If the oligarchs use violence against the Russian people, the likely result will be that the Russian Army will take control of eastern Ukraine, which in every essential way is Russian.

If eastern Ukraine returns to Russia, Washington will be left with the ultra-nationalists of western Ukraine, people who fought for Hitler during World War 2. The EU doesn’t want ultra-nationalists as the EU is busy stamping out nationalism and the sovereignty of European countries. Nevertheless, Washington will have gained a strategic advantage over Moscow, as Washington can place anti-ballistic missile and other military bases on western Ukraine’s border with Russia, thus completing Washington’s encirclement of Russia with hostile military and missile bases.

Russia will neutralize the US bases by targeting them with Iskander missiles, which cannot be intercepted by ABMs.

All that the White House Fool will have achieved is to further make clear to Russia, and to China, that Washington has both on its target list, because both are in the way of Washington’s world hegemony.

One can only wonder why Putin doesn’t preempt the coming US military attack on Russia by destroying NATO economically without firing a shot. All Putin needs to do is to cut Europe off from energy. It would take Washington three years to create the capability to deliver US natural gas, achieved by fracking’s destruction of US water supplies, to Europe. By that time NATO governments would likely have been overthrown by mass unemployment and economic suffering. Putin could also seize all foreign assets in Russia and rapidly complete the arrangements with China, India, Brazil, and South Africa to abandon the use of the US dollar in international settlements.

The US dollar as world reserve currency is the source of American imperialism. The five countries that comprise the BRICS have half of the world’s population. They can conduct their economic affairs without the dollar.

The world needs to understand that the neoconservative US government is the Third Reich on steroids. It is a malevolent force with no sense of justice or respect for truth, law, or human life. Just ask the residents of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Palestine, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Lebanon, Honduras, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran. Even the deluded western Ukrainians will soon catch on.

Obama himself declared that the US is “the exceptional nation.” This is the neoconservatives version of Hitler’s declaration that the German nation was exceptional and, therefore, above all others. The only difference between Washington and National Socialist Germany is that Washington has a far more powerful police state and nuclear weapons.

The hubris and arrogance that arises from Washington’s belief that it is the government of the “indispensable and exceptional nation” means Washington has no respect for any other country, nor for law whether its own or international. Washington can invade countries without cause, a war crime. Washington can kidnap and torture people, a crime under US and International law. Washington can ignore the self-determination of peoples, such as Crimeans. Who are mere Crimeans to vote on their own future without Washington’s consent, without Washington determining the outcome? Washington declares the Crimean people’s self-determination “illegitimate and illegal,” and refuses to recognize self-determination, while pretending to be the home of “freedom and democracy.”

No government in human history can come close to the hypocrisy and malevolence of Washington. Armed with nuclear weapons and a military doctrine of pre-emptive nuclear first strike, Washington alone stands as the threat to life on earth.

[W.C.]

It is ok for Kosovo, Venice, et al, but when its in the USA and Co.'s interests...

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[Frederick Jackson]

What is that stench wafting across the Potomac? Hmm, it's not the Blue Plains sewerage treatment plant, it's coming from a little to the north, from downtown DC it seems. Oh, my goodness, it is coming directly from Pennsylvania Avenue. But just what is that smell? Oh, I should have recognized it! It is just good old fashioned HYPOCRISY! Remember Washington's position on Kosovo? Was it to respect Serbian territorial integrity? Nope. We argued strongly for self determination for Kosovo and we bombed the **** out of Serbia to warrant it (not that the Serbs didn't deserve it for all their ethnic cleansing). Yep, we really stuck it to Russia by doing this (come on now, you have got to know that Serbia is a fraternal Slav nation and a coreligionist with Russia). Yeah, stick it to Russia! OK now let's fast forward a few years. How about self determination for Crimea? Nope. Absolutely not. We must respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine! You know, Ukraine, that former Republic of the Soviet Union that just had a coup d'etat by neo nazi thugs who illegally changed the constitution of Ukraine, threaten ethnic cleansing, shout death to the enemies of Ukraine, and swear to outlaw the Russian language, yes that Ukraine). Hmm, Mr. Obama, so what is good for the goose may not be good for the gander, eh? You are a joke, Mr. President. A dangerous joke. What do you want, WWIII? Not enough the Soviet Union is broken up and NATO is pushed to it's former borders, that it is surrounded by a highly provocative NATO missile shield? What are you gaming for Mr Obama? I mean WHAT ARE YOUR MASTERS GAMING FOR? At least in Russia, we know who is wielding power. We really do not know who is behind Western policy-making now. So, listen to Mr. Putin, Mr. President, you Manchurian candidate! At least he is his own man! You had me fooled for a while, Mr. President, for you seemed such a breath of fresh air after the Bush-baby, but ah ha stupid me, you both have the same masters and your essential policies are the same. (Thanks to the idiot right the populace is totally confused, thinking that if the right hates him so much he really must be doing something different from the Republicans. Ha, ha, all the way to the bank!)

[giovonni]

hmm ...

Please don't hold back Mr Frederick Jackson ... http://www.skype-emoticons.com/images/emoticon-00136-giggle.gif

Though what i find most interesting is what you apparently know about the infamous odors lurking from the Blue Plains Waste Treatment Plant ... Me myself being a native Washingtonian ... i take it you have lived in the DC metro area at some point or another ...

And i will say again ...


Still can't comprehend how anyone on this forum could take any side in this East/West coup ...

But i do recognize (sense) a lot of anti American (U.S.) sentiment amongst a few traffickers here on this forum.

Carry On !

[Brakeman]

Dracos?

"Draco" is Latin for dragon.

It's also a serpent-shaped constellation.

Of course, a being from a planet in the Draco Constellation would surely have to be a dragon, too.

I had to Google this.

Apparently, some people think just that.

So, we have a cabal of Draco Dragons from the Draco Constellation who came all this way to play schoolyard with political figureheads.

The Universe must be slightly more boring than I perviously imagined.

;)

[swoods_blue]

I myself have never studied the real 'Truth' about the Holocaust, and like many after the constant abuse of "Trust" from the MSM, I do not see anything wrong with exploring any alternative Theories...:nono:

I posted this 'Thread' just before sleep-time and was going to watch the 'The Jewish Gas Chamber Hoax' when I awoke this morning. So I am just as curious as to what's in the clip as I'm sure many others are...

If you are, as you profess, ignorant of the topic (and I agree, you seem to be), you should probably refrain from posting incendiary propaganda. It's disingenous to say you're only concerned about the truth, and to admit in the same breath that you haven't bothered to spend any time researching the issue you're commenting on, or even to watch the video you posted.

If you can't be bothered to watch the racist propaganda you post, don't ask others to endure it.

[rgray222]

I believe this is one of the more accurate articles I have read about the Russian people and about some of the challenges that Putin is facing. It gives a fairly accurate description of what is happening to the Russian demographics. It makes you wonder if the Ukraine and the Crimea takeover is nothing more than an elaborate distraction to the real problems in Russia. While Putin's approval rating is soaring at home, not all is well.


Russians prefer alternative reality.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/03/numbers-vladimir-putin-doesnt-want-you-to-see/.i.2.vladimir-putin-russia-crimea-real-problems.jpg

by Maureen Orth: Source (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/03/numbers-vladimir-putin-doesnt-want-you-to-see)

In the days since Vladimir Putin annexed Crimea, the Russian people are once again feeling good about their country. A robust 63 percent of them say they consider Russia a “great power,” according to a survey released this week by the Levada Center, a respected Russian polling firm. The survey also found that Putin’s approval rating is now at 80 percent, a 17-point rebound from his all-time low, just one year ago.

In 2000, when Putin had just been elected the first time, I wrote a profile of him for this magazine (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2000/10/putin200010). The reality I discovered in the numbers then was shocking. They represented the greatest challenge Putin faced: the dire demographics of Russia.

I found that two out of three Russian men who died, died drunk. The country’s death rate far exceeded its birth rate: in 2000, life expectancy for men was only 58, and for women 71. The syphilis rate among girls 10 to 14—a statistical category that boggles the mind—had gone up 40 times the previous decade, and only 30 percent of boys between the ages of 15 and 17 were considered healthy. Cheap heroin from Afghanistan was rolling in, and an H.I.V. epidemic spread by dirty needles was taking hold. Predictions then were that Russia, with a population of 146 million, could become a nation of fewer than 100 million people by 2025, and hardly a superpower: The country was aging and the birth rate was plummeting. Putin himself in his first State of the Nation address in July 2000 warned the Russian people, “We are in danger of becoming a senile nation.” When Putin annexed Crimea, I only half facetiously wondered whether this was his way of tackling the population deficit.

But overall I assumed there had to have been a nice bounce since 2000. After all, Russia was now considered a BRIC, a major emerging economy. Moscow had gained in population by 1.5 million. Like everyone else, I had read the endless style-section stories about rich Russian “It girl” art collectors and the billionaire Russian oligarchs cavorting in St. Tropez. Russia won the most medals—33—in the recent Winter Olympics, held on its home soil in Sochi.

But when I started calling specialists in Russian demography, I learned otherwise. “Demographic decline is the clearest way to see longtime decline in Russian power,” Nicholas Eberstadt, the author of Russia’s Peacetime Demographic Crisis: Dimensions, Causes, Implications, told me. He put Crimea in a whole new context: “Putin has to take more risky behavior to counterbalance this decline in power.”

I decided to revisit Russia’s numbers. They do not make a pretty picture.

Despite a recent slight uptick in births versus deaths, life expectancy now stands at 64 for males and 76 for women (137th and 100th in the world, respectively). According to the U.N.’s World Health Organization, the life expectancy for a 15-year-old boy in Haiti is three years higher than for a Russian boy the same age. A drop in fertility by 50 percent between 1987 and 1999 has resulted in a reduced number of women now at childbearing age, which is beginning to affect the country in a major way: Two thirds of all births in Russia take place among women between the ages of 20 and 29, and this population will decline from 13 million currently to 7 or 8 million in the coming years.

According to Murray Feshbach, a Georgetown professor emeritus and the dean of Russian demography in the United States, Russia’s working-age population is also declining by a million people a year, a faster rate than the decline of the overall population, which in 2013 stood at around 143 million, 3 million less than when Putin took office. Moreover, only 30 percent of Russian babies born are born healthy. Eberstadt told me that many unhealthy Russian babies are “discarded” —sent to government institutions where they often develop cognitive difficulties. Unhealthy children grow up to be unhealthy adults: half of the conscripted Russian army has to be put in limited service because of poor health.

Twenty-five percent of Russian men still die before the age of 55, many from alcoholism and the violent deaths, plus other diseases it fosters. A protégé of Feshbach’s, Mark Lawrence Schrad, has recently published a book called Vodka Politics, which analyzes how vodka has been used throughout Russian history, from tsars to dictators, as a means of social control. Cheap vodka and cigarettes were among the first free-market products available after Communism. When a partial government crackdown regulating sales of alcohol in 2009 occurred and vodka’s price went up, some hard-core alcoholics simply switched to perfume or antifreeze. The government also jacked up prices on beer, often imported or owned by foreigners, and further drove the population to harder stuff. Schrad, a political scientist at Villanova, has also written that 77 percent of kids between the ages of 15 and 17 drink vodka regularly; in rural areas, the percentage can be as high as 90.

Russia, meanwhile, has more heroin addicts than any other country. To become truly grossed out, one only has to go to the Web to see the damage of krokodil, a homemade opiate that heroin addicts in Russia shoot that rots their skin and organs from within. A thriving needle culture inevitably means H.I.V., and between 2000 and 2012 the number of new cases of H.I.V. increased six fold. Many of those infected also suffer from tuberculosis. Russia is second only to India (with 1.3 billion people) in the number of cases of M.D.R. (multidrug-resistant) tuberculosis

When it comes to the environment, I found that 50 percent of Russia’s water is not potable. Air pollution continues to be an extremely serious issue, suggesting that a solution proposed during the late-Soviet period continues to hold sway. Back then, a Russian health minister advised the country to “breathe less” in order to live longer.

This is the kind of desperation that Vladimir Putin is distracting the Russian people from. During the 2000 campaign he flew to the scene of the uprising in Chechnya and promised to “ice them while they’re ****ting in the outhouse.” Doing the math today, you can see that Russia remains frozen in time—and its leaders free to hallucinate.

[Robin]

This is a very good article. I see many people starting to lean on Putin to suppress the United States/European Union and their New World Order, which I find quite troubling. Yes, it is good that there are nations who are fighting the NWO, however, we must understand that these same nations have their own agendas. Putin has his own agenda for humanity, and it will simply be another version of the NWO. Either way you look at it, any nations involved in this game seek to establish their own reign...whatever that may be.

Humanity needs to stop relying on politicians in suits and ties to guide its destiny. It doesn't matter who is in power...the outcome will always be the same. Humanity as a whole needs to decide how to run society...not a few people. Putin is playing a smart game here and is heavily involved with establishing good public relations...but underneath does lie another controlling agenda.

It will be up to the peoples of every nation to come together and decide their fate...not leaders.

[rgray222]

It will be up to the peoples of every nation to come together and decide their fate...not leaders.

I have always believed that we are the True Powers That Be! Nothing will change until people start to accept that fact. You can't solve a problem until you admit you have a problem. It can only change when enough people understand that leaders are in place to serve mankind and not benefit from mankind.

There will be a trigger to wake people up, it could be a catastrophic earth event or a financial collapse of some kind but it will happen. Until then people are way too eager to accept the status quo.

[Pweeky]

:rolleyes:
The reality of desertification, alcohol and drug abuse in Russia has been shown many times on RT. (Paid by the Russian Federation) If Putin doesn't want 'us' to see it, he must be taking politics lessons from Obama.

[DeDukshyn]

I only read the first few paragraphs of your post here rgray ... but immediately one thing came to mind, Russia is at war. It shows in the numbers. Look at USA as well ... despite the richest, one of the sickest and most self delusioned mass of people in the world and the average age expectancy is currently dropping (sorry all my southern friends .. but I state facts, not opinions - I still love y'all!).


Are they at war with each other? or against the same "enemy"? Note that the new war is not fought with violence, but with "information", food, distractions, drugs, alcohol, STDs and "healthcare", and the enemy is the masses and the goal is weakened and depopulated masses, too distracted by life issues, "entertainment", alcohol, etc, to contemplate the important and revealing things in life, to realize what is actually happening in the bigger picture. Both politically / physically and spiritually.

We all have the same problems ....

Just a thought to humour for a moment to see how it "feels" ;)

[Craig]

could it be that it is planned that most of us are so concentrated on our own inner circle and making sure it is at a certain level that we fail to see what is happening at the furthest circle ie the world? and our own in circles are of such a state that filters ensure that nothing from outside the sphere of influence can get in? so if we can't affect it quickly and easily it becomes some others problem?

[GreenGuy]

We do not understand the Russians at all. Does Obama read Tolstoy? Ha. Has Hillary read Turgenev, Gogol or Dostoevsky? Ha. There is no "American Spirit" in the sense that there's a Russian Spirit. The Russians have been a presence on this planet for more than a thousand years, and they are unique in the way they bridge east and west. I'm not saying it's all good - after all, some bad has to come from a culture that sits indoors and drinks vodka for six months while arctic winds howl outside. But we have nothing in our culture that compares. They will outlast us.

[Aqua marina]

Youtube has captions on this video (first posted a few hours ago), but only Russian captions. What is this about??

Владимира Путина АРЕСТОВАЛИ! Arrest of Vladimir Putin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80T8fMfGB44

[Gerald Paris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyZ56pueuvA

[UpToLight]

Fake. First this video was uploaded in 2012, second he has never been arrested.

[Flash]

looks true what is this? Cabal succeding to brake Putin?

[Flash]

looks true what is this? Cabal succeding to brake Putin?


Ok debunked



The video was made by piecing together news footage of the 2010 trial of former oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky and of Putin participating in the 2010 census.

Putin’s supporters, too, have used faux video to get their message across. In a series of videos called “Russia without Putin — Russia Without a Future,” imagining a supposedly hellish future without the long-time leader, news footage is shown of food lines, riots, the homeless and military conflict:


The video was made by piecing together news footage of the 2010 trial of former oil tycoon Mikhail Khodorkovsky and of Putin participating in the 2010 census.

Putin’s supporters, too, have used faux video to get their message across. In a series of videos called “Russia without Putin — Russia Without a Future,” imagining a supposedly hellish future without the long-time leader, news footage is shown of food lines, riots, the homeless and military conflict:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/putin-fake-arrest-video-resonates-with-russians/2012/02/17/gIQAeioDKR_blog.html[/URL]

[Tyy1907]

Prrrrrrrrrrrropagandaaaa

[rgray222]

We do not understand the Russians at all. Does Obama read Tolstoy? Ha. Has Hillary read Turgenev, Gogol or Dostoevsky? Ha. There is no "American Spirit" in the sense that there's a Russian Spirit. The Russians have been a presence on this planet for more than a thousand years, and they are unique in the way they bridge east and west. I'm not saying it's all good - after all, some bad has to come from a culture that sits indoors and drinks vodka for six months while arctic winds howl outside. But we have nothing in our culture that compares. They will outlast us.

I am of the opinion that we have something much more sustainable than the Russians have, we have a much more open and accepting society. Much more natural diversity. We in the west are more acceptable of gender, lifestyle, race, politics and religion. Russian society is evolving but very slowly. We (in the west) are living through a period of great change, not everyone is capable of accepting this change so it is easy to think that the turbulence we are experiencing is not sustainable. Not only is it sustainable but it is necessary to move society further along in the evolutionary track. Russians have not even begun (in any meaningful way) to address the core problems holding back their citizens.

Worldwide change and diversity are inevitable, it can't be slowed down or stopped and either the Russians start accepting this fact or they run the risk of becoming a very backward looking race. There is little doubt that Puntin has found a recipe (recreating the empire) to make people feel good but this is a temporary fix without addressing any of the core problems. If and when Russia wakes up they will be a cultural force to be reckoned with, but in the meantime they are stuck in impulse drive while the USA is moving at warp speed.

[Roisin]

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/russia-population-decline-nemtsov.gif (http://s932.photobucket.com/user/A99_x/media/russia-population-decline-nemtsov.gif.html)

[AutumnW]

So, let me see. Putin is doing what Ronald Reagan did, trying to reinforce faith in his own people, in their own country. Meanwhile he is being criticized as a war-monger for trying to protect Russia's vital ports and register his outrage that his next door neighbor with a pro-Russian but democratically elected president was overthrown. Wow...guy's WAYYYYY out of line. LOL. You would have to be living outside of the USA to realize how berzerko and upside down this line of reasoning is.

Also, consider that Putin is trying to restore some of the basic sovereignty his nation lost after Yeltsin allowed it to be plundered and sold for peanuts to oligarchs and outside interests.

So yeah...things were pretty damned bad in the year 2000, and Putin is struggling with that, without resorting to some of the ridiculous measure the fascists in power in the Nato countries would resort to...in a heart beat. He's not the bad guy here.

[rgray222]

So, let me see. Putin is doing what Ronald Reagan did, trying to reinforce faith in his own people, in their own country. Meanwhile he is being criticized as a war-monger for trying to protect Russia's vital ports and register his outrage that his next door neighbor with a pro-Russian but democratically elected president was overthrown. Wow...guy's WAYYYYY out of line. LOL. You would have to be living outside of the USA to realize how berzerko and upside down this line of reasoning is.

Also, consider that Putin is trying to restore some of the basic sovereignty his nation lost after Yeltsin allowed it to be plundered and sold for peanuts to oligarchs and outside interests.

So yeah...things were pretty damned bad in the year 2000, and Putin is struggling with that, without resorting to some of the ridiculous measure the fascists in power in the Nato countries would resort to...in a heart beat. He's not the bad guy here.

To equate Reagan with Putin is the most bizarre analogy imaginable. Putin is attempting to rebuild empires which is a fools errand and the sad fact is the people of Crimea are being used as pawns in Putin's personal popularity contest. When a leader tries to restore sovereignty it implies that he has the best interest of the citizens of his/her country in mind. Putin was content to allow the puppet leader Yanukovich to plunder Crimea, feeding him billions of dollars while neglecting the needs of the people.

Then Puntin occupies the country with armed troops (which he said are not Russian soldiers LOL) and holds a referendum. Even if the people of Crimea wanted to get underneath the Russian umbrella this was despicable self serving act of a power hungry leader.

Yeltsin may have freed Russian but the oligarch Berezovsky put it up for sale. Putin was Berezovsky sidekick. He put Puntin in charge, thinking that he had found someone who would sustain incredible wealth for the Russian elite. All Puntin did was put Berezovsky's bunch in jail and set up his a new group of obscenely wealthy elites (oligarchs as you put it). It is fairly well documented that virtually all of Putin's enemies have ended up dead or in jail. To say that Putin is not the bad guy here is an incredibly naive and misguided statement.

To make the statement that Reagan and Puntin are the same is way out of line and shows a misguided understanding of both Russian and American politics.

[superconsciousness]

11 quotes that will shock and chill you from our interview with the highest-ranking Soviet bloc intel officer to ever defect

http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2014/02/11/11-quotes-that-will-shock-and-chill-you-from-our-interview-with-the-highest-ranking-soviet-bloc-intel-officer-to-ever-defect/

“The very idea that the Soviet Union was defeated is disinformation in itself. The Soviet Union changed its name and dropped its façade of Marxism, but it remained the samesamoderzhaviye, the historical Russian form of autocracy in which a tsar is running the country with the help of his political police…Russia today is the first intelligence dictatorship in history. It is a brand new form of totalitarianism, which we are not yet familiar with. Now the KGB, rechristened FSB, is openly running Russia.”

Putin answers to the KGB, not the other way around.

[AutumnW]

So, let me see. Putin is doing what Ronald Reagan did, trying to reinforce faith in his own people, in their own country. Meanwhile he is being criticized as a war-monger for trying to protect Russia's vital ports and register his outrage that his next door neighbor with a pro-Russian but democratically elected president was overthrown. Wow...guy's WAYYYYY out of line. LOL. You would have to be living outside of the USA to realize how berzerko and upside down this line of reasoning is.

Also, consider that Putin is trying to restore some of the basic sovereignty his nation lost after Yeltsin allowed it to be plundered and sold for peanuts to oligarchs and outside interests.

So yeah...things were pretty damned bad in the year 2000, and Putin is struggling with that, without resorting to some of the ridiculous measure the fascists in power in the Nato countries would resort to...in a heart beat. He's not the bad guy here.

To equate Reagan with Putin is the most bizarre analogy imaginable. Putin is attempting to rebuild empires which is a fools errand and the sad fact is the people of Crimea are being used as pawns in Putin's personal popularity contest. When a leader tries to restore sovereignty it implies that he has the best interest of the citizens of his/her country in mind. Putin was content to allow the puppet leader Yanukovich to plunder Crimea, feeding him billions of dollars while neglecting the needs of the people.

Then Puntin occupies the country with armed troops (which he said are not Russian soldiers LOL) and holds a referendum. Even if the people of Crimea wanted to get underneath the Russian umbrella this was despicable self serving act of a power hungry leader.

Yeltsin may have freed Russian but the oligarch Berezovsky put it up for sale. Putin was Berezovsky sidekick. He put Puntin in charge, thinking that he had found someone who would sustain incredible wealth for the Russian elite. All Puntin did was put Berezovsky's bunch in jail and set up his a new group of obscenely wealthy elites (oligarchs as you put it). It is fairly well documented that virtually all of Putin's enemies have ended up dead or in jail. To say that Putin is not the bad guy here is an incredibly naive and misguided statement.

To make the statement that Reagan and Puntin are the same is way out of line and shows a misguided understanding of both Russian and American politics.

Sources??

Read Paul Craig Roberts. He was an insider; Ronald Reagan's assistant treasury Secretary and he respectfully disagrees with you. The U.S has military bases in over 100 countries. They, with the explicit support of their NATO allies are running roughshod all over the globe. They are the tyrants. They are the bullies---at this time. If you have solid evidence to support the claims you are making here, declare them. Quoting mainstream Western sources doesn't qualify.


There is no evidence whatsoever to support the contention, of the other article, posted above, that Russia wasn't really whipped in the cold war but was just pretending somehow! They've been waiting in the weeds for the chance to dominate the world.

LoL! They have bases in how many countries?? Like one...their own?? Correct me if I'm wrong. And NATO has how many bases world wide??

To give you an idea how nasty this is, even Henry Kissinger has issues with the imbalance. You know? MR. DOMINO theory? His issue has always been power imbalances and I believe he has been quoted as expressing concern about the present situation.

Pretty darned sad when the U.S. doesn't meet the minimum requirements for global safety set forth by a war criminal!
YEP, Russia...Man, I'm shaking in my boots.

[Atlas]

'Putin on a Show' ... :rolleyes:

Snowden asks Putin LIVE: Does Russia intercept or store comms ?

"Russian special services are using special media for tapping and spying only on the decision of the court, says Vladimir Putin answering the question by former NSA agent Edward Snowden on how Russian government spies online."

Published on Apr 17, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1yH554emkY
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[bogeyman]

"Unsure of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s intentions, the Obama administration is attempting to warn the Kremlin not to test the U.S. commitment to defend its allies in eastern and central Europe.

Jet fighters from the U.K., Denmark, France and Poland will begin flying air patrols over the Baltic states tomorrow “as part of collective defense measures,” the North Atlantic Treaty Organization said in a statement today. Canadian jets are deploying to Romania “as part of NATO efforts to reassure allies” in Central and Eastern Europe, the alliance said."

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-04-30/u-dot-s-dot-signals-putin-that-any-move-against-nato-nations-risks-war

[Bob]

Freedom, anonymity, forget it - so says Putin.

Eager to live and play in Russia thinking it is free, providing accurate information, offering opportunity to whistle blow? Maybe or maybe not. Do you want your website hosted in Russia, and if you have many visitors, above 3000 hits a day, you may be listed as an official news service, forced to comply with additional rules.

Putin signed a law that says, you need to register, you can't have your hidden alias and it covers many more things.

http://mashable.com/2014/05/07/russia-bloggers-law-freedom/

"The latest regulation is a law he signed on Monday that will require popular online bloggers to register with the government by Aug. 1.

"It also classifies all websites with more than 3,000 daily visitors as full-fledged media outlets, requiring them to take responsibility for the accuracy of the information they put online."

Back to the OLD ways.
KGB, ah nostalgia eh?

"Punishment for breaking the law can result in a shutdown of the offending website and/or a fine of up to $142,000."

Critics of the law told Reuters and the New York Times that it was designed to stamp out political voices opposed to Putin and would give the Russian government the ability to easily decipher who was driving online conversation.

And on Monday, the same day Putin signed the new "bloggers law," he also signed another law that prohibits cursing in music, books, movies and more.

From - http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2014/05/putin-signs-law-which-demands-bloggers.html

"Besides registering, bloggers can no longer remain anonymous online, and organizations that provide platforms for their work such as search engines, social networks and other forums must maintain computer records on Russian soil of everything posted over the previous six months.

“This law will cut the number of critical voices and opposition voices on the Internet,” said Galina Arapova, director of the Mass Media Defense Center and an expert on Russian media law. “The whole package seems quite restrictive and might affect harshly those who disseminate critical information about the state, about authorities, about public figures.”

Mr. Putin has already used the pliable Russian Parliament to pass laws that scattered the opposition, hobbled nongovernmental organizations and shut down public protests. Now, riding a wave of popular support after hosting the Winter Olympics and annexing Crimea, he has turned his attention to regulating the Internet, as well as burnishing his credentials as the worldwide champion of conservative values.

Aside from the Internet law signed Monday, the Russian leader signed a new profanity law that levies heavy fines for using four common vulgarities in the arts, including literature, movies, plays and television.

Speaking in St. Petersburg in late April, Mr. Putin voiced his suspicions about the Internet, even while noting that it had become a public market of huge proportions.

“You know that it all began initially, when the Internet first appeared, as a special C.I.A. project,” he said in remarks broadcast live nationally, before adding that “special services are still at the center of things.” He specifically thanked Edward J. Snowden, the former National Security Agency contractor granted asylum in Russia, for revealing to the world how efficient the N.S.A. was at collecting information."

Bloggers speak up -

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140508/06021727158/vladimir-putin-restricting-naughty-language-unregistered-bloggers.shtml

"I've always kind of known that Vladimir Putin was a bit of a bastard.

"Between his hypocrisy on government snooping, to his horrific record on matters of artistic and political speech, and his absolute willingness to destabilize his neighborhood in favor of having Russia pick up some territory that didn't belong to it in the form of Georgia and Ukraine.

"That said, two recent actions by Putin are starting to make me think this guy might just be as bad as everyone says. "


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NY Times -

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/world/europe/russia-quietly-tightens-reins-on-web-with-bloggers-law.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=3

MOSCOW — Russia has taken another major step toward restricting its once freewheeling Internet, as President Vladimir V. Putin quietly signed a new law requiring popular online voices to register with the government, a measure that lawyers, Internet pioneers and political activists said Tuesday would give the government a much wider ability to track who said what online.

Mr. Putin’s action on Monday, just weeks after he disparaged the Internet as “a special C.I.A. project,” borrowed a page from the restrictive Internet playbooks of many governments around the world that have been steadily smothering online freedoms they once tolerated.

Besides registering, bloggers can no longer remain anonymous online, and organizations that provide platforms for their work such as search engines, social networks and other forums must maintain computer records on Russian soil of everything posted over the previous six months.

“This law will cut the number of critical voices and opposition voices on the Internet,” said Galina Arapova, director of the Mass Media Defense Center and an expert on Russian media law. “The whole package seems quite restrictive and might affect harshly those who disseminate critical information about the state, about authorities, about public figures.”

Back to the good 'ole days..


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Oh how people forget, and the younger generation has no clue, opting instead to believe the goop perpetrated - read this (the kids these days ARE the younger children being referred to):


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[Ioneo]

Wait till the TPP passes. Then we'll see this happening all over.

[sigma6]

What I find interesting that there are plans to do something similar in the US... and it is being suggested right at the same time... Rockefellers have been pushing for this for a long time... It has to be resisted or they will take over the entire Internet, notice how they are careful to start with "logical, justified" interpretations... The government always starts this way... until they mix common sense with outright control and use these earlier examples as "precedent" for further control...

[Tyy1907]

K kids now you all know Russia is very bad. Bad bad bad!:lol:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

The internet is the new courtroom of humanity.

it's where judgment is ultimately passed.
and by all.

therefore the Powers that Be MUST CONTROL IT ALL ANY PRICE,
much like they control humans at any price...

sad but true

[Snoweagle]

The only benefit the internet has provided is illiteracy. It is destroying libraries. It is disseminating data away from eyeball scrutiny. It promotes stupidity.
The whole darn thing is corrupt.
If it turned off tomorrow, I would be ecstatic.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

The only benefit the internet has provided is illiteracy. It is destroying libraries. It is disseminating data away from eyeball scrutiny. It promotes stupidity.
The whole darn thing is corrupt.
If it turned off tomorrow, I would be ecstatic.

the people who wake up though, they still buy books, and share them with people, try to wake others up, etc.

you're right on many levels and it's sad. places like Barnes and Noble going out of business. @_@

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i think the rich spend a lot more time on social media than reading!!

[doodah]

The only benefit the internet has provided is illiteracy. It is destroying libraries. It is disseminating data away from eyeball scrutiny. It promotes stupidity.
The whole darn thing is corrupt.
If it turned off tomorrow, I would be ecstatic.

I agree. Nobody knows anything anymore, nobody holds knowledge in their heads; it's so easy and convenient to let the net remember everything for you. I wonder how this will work out...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

The only benefit the internet has provided is illiteracy. It is destroying libraries. It is disseminating data away from eyeball scrutiny. It promotes stupidity.
The whole darn thing is corrupt.
If it turned off tomorrow, I would be ecstatic.

I agree. Nobody knows anything anymore, nobody holds knowledge in their heads; it's so easy and convenient to let the net remember everything for you. I wonder how this will work out...

Nobody?

It's nice to be nobody :(

[Bob]

Scientists created a network protocol to allow for easy transfer of data, files, messages, one of the earliest email/messaging systems because the hard (physical) mail systems were simply too slow.


http://cc.amazingcounters.com/counter.php?i=3190880&c=9572953
I didn't know CERN was a CIA organization did you? Putin seems to think so though. (http://home.web.cern.ch/about) Maybe he studied the same BOOKS that Al Gore read (Do you remember when Gore explained his internet involvement, of course not).. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/world/europe/russia-quietly-tightens-reins-on-web-with-bloggers-law.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=3 and BnFJ8cHAlco

I'm surprised both didn't say they ran CERN (http://home.web.cern.ch/topics/birth-web) too. Isn't spin amazing? (being sarcastic here--> incase any anyone doesn't get it.. Like invalidating an inventor, warping is history, using his name to capitalize on is the right way to create an industry.. pseudo-science quackery does it all the time, stealing some researcher's name then making fancy sounding toys, but that is another story..)

Article below: http://ben.web.cern.ch/ben/TCPHIST.html - thank you Ben !

Ben Segal / CERN IT-PDP-TE - How the internet was created.
April, 1995

Now that the Internet has exploded in popularity on a world wide scale, with a major component of its success (the World Wide Web) being developed at CERN, it seems a good time to look back and trace the history of the Internet at CERN.

Even before the Web allowed Internet penetration in the most unexpected places, the presence of the Internet protocols at CERN had already encouraged their adoption not only in many other parts of Europe but also in such influential organizations as the ITU and ISO in Geneva.

Another reason for writing this history today is that it is almost exactly ten years ago that CERN named me as its first "TCP/IP Coordinator".

The TCP/IP protocols (as Internet protocols were then called) had actually entered CERN a few years earlier, inside a Berkeley Unix system, but not too many people were aware of that event.

In the computer networking arena, a period of 10-15 years represents several generations of technology evolution.

Readers of this history will perhaps be surprised that in a period of only three years there can be developments that radically change the whole way that people think about computer communications.

This has just happened with the Web (prototyped in 1990-1, fully accepted over 1993-4), but several related steps needed to take place beforehand to enable the Web's emergence. First of all, standards had to emerge in computer systems themselves, and in programming techniques. Next, standards were needed in network and computer hardware, with the accompanying price reductions.

Finally there had to be a change in mentality, among both manufacturers and computer users, for them first to allow and then to insist that their systems should be able to communicate freely.

In the Beginning - the 1970's
In the beginning was - chaos. In the same way that the theory of high energy physics interactions was itself in a chaotic state up until the early 1970's, so was the so-called area of "Data Communications" at CERN. The variety of different techniques, media and protocols used was staggering; open warfare existed between many manufacturers' proprietary systems, various home-made systems (including CERN's own "FOCUS" and "CERNET"), and the then rudimentary efforts at defining open or international standards.

There were no general purpose Local Area Networks (LANs): each application used its own approach.

The only really widespread CERN network at that time was "INDEX": a serial twisted pair system with a central Gandalf circuit switch, connecting some hundreds of "dumb" terminals via RS232 to a selection of accessible computer ports for interactive login.

CERNET, beginning in 1976, offered a fast file transfer service between a number of mainframes and minicomputers via 2Mbit/s serial lines using packet switching in a network of gateway nodes. Remote login (known as "virtual terminal service") was only supported to a single system, the central IBM mainframe. At the end of its ten year life CERNET supported 100 systems, including its own version of a LAN bridge, connecting some of CERN's first Ethernets. However, even though architecturally CERNET resembled ARPAnet, all its protocols had been developed independently. It was therefore doomed, though this was of course unknown at the beginning.

Even if its designers had been in contact with Vint Cerf and company, there was no efficient way to run a transatlantic collaboration.

Imagine a period without electronic mail... but no, this was only introduced at CERN to any extent at the beginning of the 1980's.

This was also a period without standards for computer systems themselves, not just communication systems. There are therefore few computer files from this period and we must rely on the written record. We must look back into our paper files, typed by our typists, back into a time when there were no PC's, no Macintoshes, no Unix and no C programming at CERN...

The Stage is Set - early 1980's
To my knowledge, the first time any "Internet Protocol" was used at CERN was during the second phase of the STELLA Satellite Communication Project, from 1981-83, when a satellite channel was used to link remote segments of two early local area networks (namely "CERNET", running between CERN and Pisa, and a Cambridge Ring network running between CERN and Rutherford Laboratory).

This was certainly inspired by the ARPA IP model, known to the Italian members of the STELLA collaboration (CNUCE, Pisa) who had ARPA connections; nevertheless the STELLA internet protocol was independently implemented and a STELLA-specific higher-level protocol was deployed on top of it, not TCP. As the senior technical member of the CERN STELLA team, this development opened my eyes to the meaning and potential of an Internet network protocol.

Ethernet made its appearance at CERN at about that time (1983), when an initial stretch of the soon-to-be-famous yellow cable arrived to support a demonstration of the very advanced Symbolics machine from MIT, which actually ran ChaosNet, XNS and TCP/IP protocols if I remember correctly. Before that, starting in 1982, we had installed some Apollo Domain coaxial cables for a 12 Mbit/s token ring network running Apollo's proprietary protocol, the first to offer a real distributed file system as well as network virtual memory paged over the ring.

The Apollo workstations brought CERN firmly into the distributed computing business. They had no equal for large scientific and graphics applications.

The fact that the system was proprietary seemed unimportant at that time: Unix based competitors like Sun and HP were outclassed, and Unix itself had little appeal for CERN physicists. A file-exchange gateway was made (by this author) between the Apollos and the home-grown CERNET network, sufficient to exchange data and program files with the central CERN mainframes and other CERNET hosts. Remote login was made, if desired, by terminal emulation via RS232 cables; other connections were improvised by other techniques, in the disjoint spirit of those times.

In 1983, for the first time, a Data Communications (DC) Group was set up in the CERN computing division (then "Data-handling Division" or "DD") under David Lord.

Before that time, work on computer networking in DD had been carried out in several groups: I myself belonged to the Software (SW) Group, which had assigned me and several others to participate in DD's networking projects since 1970. All my work on STELLA had been sponsored in this way, for example.

The new DC Group seemed to have a mandate to unify networking practices across the whole of CERN, but after a short time it became clear that this was not going to be done comprehensively. DC Group decided to leave major parts of the field to others while it concentrated on building a CERN-wide backbone infrastructure.

Furthermore, following the political currents of the time, they laid a very formal stress on ISO standard networking, the only major exception being their support for DECnet. PC networking was ignored almost entirely; IBM mainframe networking (except for BITNET/EARN) as well as the developing fields of Unix and workstation-based networking all remained in SW Group. So did the pioneering work on electronic mail and news under Dietrich Wiegandt, which made CERN a European leader in this field.

(From the early 1980's until about 1990 CERN acted as the Swiss backbone for USENET news and gatewayed all Swiss e-mail between the EUnet uucp network, BITNET, DECnet and the Internet). As these were precisely the areas in which the Internet protocols were to emerge, this choice led to a situation in which CERN's support for them would be marginal or ambiguous for several years to come.

It was from around 1984 that the wind began to change.

TCP/IP Introduced at CERN
In August, 1984 I wrote a proposal to the SW Group Leader, Les Robertson, for the establishment of a pilot project to install and evaluate TCP/IP protocols on some key non-Unix machines at CERN including the central IBM-VM mainframe and a VAX VMS system. This was to decide if TCP/IP could indeed solve the problem of heterogeneous connectivity between the newer open systems and the established proprietary ones. It also proposed to evaluate Xerox's XNS protocols as a possible alternative. The proposal was approved and the work led to acceptance of TCP/IP as the most promising solution, together with the use of "sockets" (pioneered by the BSD 4.x Unix system) as the recommended API.

In early 1985 I was appointed the "TCP/IP Coordinator" for CERN, as part of a formal agreement between SW Group (under Les Robertson) and DC Group (under its new leader, Brian Carpenter). Incorporating the latter's policy line, this document specifically restricted the scope of Internet protocols for use only within the CERN site. Under no circumstances were any external connections to be made using TCP/IP: here the ISO/DECnet monopoly still ruled supreme, and would do so until 1989.

Between 1985 and 1988, the coordinated introduction of TCP/IP within CERN made excellent progress, in spite of the small number of individuals involved. This was because the technologies concerned were basically simple and became steadily easier to buy and install.

A major step was taken in November 1985 when the credibility of the Internet protocols as implemented within CERN was sufficient to convince the management of the LEP/SPS controls group that the LEP control system, crucial for the operation of CERN's 27 km accelerator LEP then under construction, should use TCP/IP. This decision, made by P-G. Innocenti, Jacques Altaber and Pal Anderssen, combined with a later decision to use Unix-based systems, turned out to be essential for the success of LEP. The TCP/IP activity in LEP/SPS included a close collaboration with IBM's Yorktown Laboratory to support IP protocols on the IBM token ring network that had been chosen for the LEP control system.

Other main areas of progress were: a steady improvement of the TCP/IP installations on IBM-VM/CMS, from the first University of Wisconsin version (WISCNET) to the fully-supported IBM version that still runs today; the rapid spread of TCP/IP on VMS systems, using third-party software in the absence of any DEC product; the first support of IBM PC networking, starting with MIT's free TCP/IP software and migrating to its commercial descendant from FTP Software. This latter work, by Mike Gerard and Brian Henningsen (who would later move to ISO in Geneva), led directly to the very comprehensive support of PC and Macintosh networking that exists today at CERN using TCP/IP, Novell and Apple protocols. All this was accompanied by a rapid change from RS232 based terminal connections to the use of terminal servers and virtual Ethernet ports using TCP/IP or DEC-based protocols. This permitted either dumb terminals or workstation windows to be used for remote login sessions, and hence to today's X-Windows. In particular, starting from 3270 emulator software received from the University of Wisconsin and developed by myself for Apollo and Unix systems, a full-screen remote login facility was provided to the VM/CMS service; this software was then further developed by Mike Gerard and used as the basis for the Terminal Access Gateway service (TAG) which became a standard way for CERN users to access VM/CMS systems world-wide.

As late as September 1987, DD's Division Leader P. Zanella would still write officially to a perplexed user, with a copy to the then Director of Research, J. Thresher: "The TCP-IP networking is not a supported service." This illustrates the ambiguity of the situation (already referred to above) as these words were written at essentially the same time as another major step forward was made in the use of Unix and TCP/IP at CERN: the choice to use them for the new Cray XMP machine instead of Cray's well-established proprietary operating system COS and its associated Cray networking protocols.

Suddenly, instead of asking "What use is Unix on a mainframe?" some users began to ask "Why not use Unix on everything?".

The Cray represented CERN's first "supercomputer" according to US military and commercial standards and a serious security system was erected around it.

As part of this system, in 1987 I purchased the first two Cisco IP routers in Switzerland (perhaps in Europe?), to act as IP filters between CERN's public Ethernet and a new secure IP segment for the Cray.

I had met the founder of "cisco systems", Len Bosack, at a Usenix exhibition in the USA in June 1987 and been very impressed with his router and this filtering feature. Cisco was a tiny company with about 20 employees at that time, and doing business with them was very informal.

It was hard to foresee the extent to which they would come to dominate the router market, and the growth that the market would undergo. Unfortunately I did not purchase any Cisco shares when a little later they went public...

Birth of the European Internet
In November 1987 I received a visit from Daniel Karrenberg, the system manager of "mcvax", a celebrated machine at the Amsterdam Mathematics Centre that acted as the gateway for all transatlantic traffic between the US and European sides of the world-wide "USENET", the Unix users' network that carried most of the email and news of that time using a primitive protocol called "uucp". Daniel had hit on the idea of converting the European side ("EUnet") into an IP network, just as major parts of the US side of USENET were doing at that time.

The news and mail would be redirected to run over TCP/IP (using the SMTP protocol), unnoticed by the users, but all the other Internet utilities "telnet", "ftp", etc. would become available as well, once Internet connectivity was established. Even better, Daniel had personal contacts with the right people at the NIC who would grant him Internet connect status when he needed it.

All he was missing was a device to allow him to run IP over some of the EUnet lines that were using X.25 - did this exist? I reached for my Cisco catalogue and showed him the model number he needed. Within a few months the key EUnet sites in Europe were equipped with Cisco routers, with the PTT's, regulators and other potential inhibitors none the wiser. The European IP network was born without ceremony.

CERN Joins the Internet
In 1988, the DC Group in DD Division (later renamed CS Group in CN Division) finally agreed to take on the support of TCP/IP, and what had been a shoestring operation, run out of SW Group with a few friendly contacts here and there, became a properly staffed and organized activity. John Gamble became the new TCP/IP Coordinator, performing this task until quite recently; he had just returned from extended leave at the University of Geneva where he had helped to set up one of the very first campus-wide TCP/IP networks in Europe.

A year later, CERN opened its first external connections to the Internet after a "big bang" in January 1989 to change all IP addresses to official ones. (Until then, CERN had used an illegal Class A address, Network 100, chosen by myself).

CERN's external Internet bandwidth flourished, with a growing system of links and routers managed by Olivier Martin and Jean-Michel Jouanigot. Concurrently with the growth of the new European IP network (later to be incorporated as "RIPE" within the previously ISO-dominated organization "RARE"), many other players in Europe and elsewhere were changing their attitudes.

Prominent among these was IBM, who not only began to offer a good quality mainframe TCP/IP LAN connection product of their own but also began to encourage migration of their proprietary BITNET/EARN network towards IP instead of the much more restricted RSCS-based service.

They even began a subsidy programme called EASINET to pay line charges for Internet connection of their European Supercomputer sites of which CERN was one. In this way, the principal link (1.5 Mbit/sec) between Europe and the USA was located at CERN and funded by IBM for several years during the important formative period of the Internet.

By 1990 CERN had become the largest Internet site in Europe and this fact, as mentioned above, positively influenced the acceptance and spread of Internet techniques both in Europe and elsewhere.

Brian Carpenter, still the leader of CS Group, is today a member of the Internet Architecture Board and a well known speaker at Internet gatherings. Experts like Olivier Martin and Jean-Michel Jouanigot are world authorities on Internet traffic and routing questions.

CERN also facilitates the efforts of some staff members, including myself, who take time to teach Internet technology in developing countries.

The Web Materializes
A key result of all these happenings was that by 1989 CERN's Internet facility was ready to become the medium within which Tim Berners-Lee would create the World Wide Web with a truly visionary idea.

In fact an entire culture had developed at CERN around "distributed computing", and Tim had himself contributed in the area of Remote Procedure Call (RPC), thereby mastering several of the tools that he needed to synthesize the Web such as software portability techniques and network and socket programming.

But there were many other details too, like how simple it had become to configure a state of the art workstation for Internet use (in this case Tim's NeXT machine which he showed me while he was setting it up in his office), and how once on the Internet it was possible to attract collaborators to contribute effort where that was lacking at CERN.

Footnote
The above is a short and personal record and I may have missed out some people or events that deserve mention. I would be happy to hear from colleagues whose memories can add to this history, which does not have to be considered as my private property. Of course in the end I take responsibility for what appears under my name.

The key words that came to my mind while writing this history were: synergy, serendipity and coincidence. Many of life's most propitious happenings are very deeply "a question of timing". It is my personal belief that the Web could have emerged considerably earlier if CERN had been connected earlier to the Internet: the first Web proposal was written immediately after the opening of CERN's first external connection and it is known that Tim had been working with hypertext ideas since 1980, influenced by Ted Nelson's work on Xanadu among other things. But this remains in the realm of speculation. What is certain is that the Internet has provided a unique opportunity for some of us at CERN to take part in a series of events which are helping to change the world for countless people, hopefully for the better."


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Thank you Tim Berners-Lee, Les Robertson, P. Zanella, Daniel Karrenberg, John Gamble, Brian Carpenter, Len Bosack, Olivier Martin and Jean-Michel Jouanigot, P-G. Innocenti, Jacques Altaber and Pal Anderssen, J. Thresher, and many thanks to Ben Segal / CERN IT-PDP-TE who provided the article.

I personally feel the WWW, the Internet, the ability to instantly communicate world-wide is an important breakthrough in communications. Un-Censored communications was the original thought.

In Books, in NewsPapers, the publishers are able to CONTROL the spin - the idea of yellow journalism (http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/spring04/vance/yellowjournalism.html) came from written materials explaining to people the partly-line mindset.

Internet provides readers, independent people a way to reach out and touch the world, without the Main Stream Media purveyors. It allowed science to in-fact share data rapidly as was the intent.

Are steps about to be taken backwards, to the old ways, to Cold War, Cold world mentality?

That is where THOUGHT control was purveyed (http://www.bbk.ac.uk/news/the-cold-war-a-history-of-brainwashing-and-the-psychological-professions), but.. As in the op, the comment was about, starting with the SPIN on who created the internet, then when that Genie can't be put back in the bottle, the trend to "LICENSE IT" we see appearing, so that user's failing to comply are talking "illegally" with one another - the silencing of free thought.

As Khruschev said, they will continue to erode your belief systems, spinning, adding in a small lie, a small twist, unwarranted ignorant statements "said in veiled jest", a small bit of freedom removed here and there, and soon enough, one won't know that the Leader wears no Clothes (never has), is truly hollow, and relies on the wishes of others so indoctrinated in spin, they all say YES MASSAH in unison..

BUT, with books and newspapers, the cold-war programmers, could not reach the minds so fast as they do with the internet programming techniques, youtubes, and spin websites. They would have to have SCHOOLS, program the children's minds in the way of the little red book. Or they would have to use the religious leader's teachings, telling people to bow down or else..

Of course, without the internet, TROLLS would get lonely.


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refs:
Yellow Journalism (http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/spring04/vance/yellowjournalism.html) - Yellow Journalism is a term first coined during the famous newspaper wars between William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer II. Pulitzer's paper the New York World and Hearst's New York Journal changed the content of newspapers adding more sensationalized stories and increasing the use of drawings and cartoons. As more cartoons were being published in newspapers, Pulitzer began to publish a cartoon of his own that he titled "The Yellow Kid" in 1896. The cartoon was created by R.F. Outcault and became one of many objects fought over between Hearst and Pulitzer during their rivalry. Hearst later took Outcault and his cartoon from Pulitzer by offering him an outrageous salary.

[Agape]

When the ship goes down some mad captains insist on people staying tight to their berths and wheels .. not to shake the system .. what happens at the end could be seen with the Korea ferry disaster . Situation beyond rescue .

The wilder the country the stronger the laws ?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27286742

Russian law bans swearing in arts and media

Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a law banning all swearing in films, television broadcasts, theatres and the media.

Offenders will face fines - as much as 50,000 roubles (£829; $1,400) for organisations, or up to 2,500 roubles (£41; $70) for individuals.

Where disputes arise a panel of experts will decide exactly what counts as a swear word.

Books containing swear words will have to carry warnings on the cover.

Russia's Vesti news website says that, according to sociologists' research, swearing is common in two-thirds of Russian companies.

The law will take effect from 1 July and will not apply to cases of swearing at performances before that date.

A leading pro-Putin film director and now MP, Stanislav Govorukhin, was one of the new law's architects.

The law harks back to the conservatism of the Soviet period, when the Communist Party required artists and writers to avoid "decadent" Western fashions and to stick to traditional values.

Traders who fail to give consumers warnings about swearing in videos or other audiovisual products will risk having their licences withdrawn.

It is not clear whether the ban on swearing in the media will also extend to Russian users of international social media such as Twitter and Facebook.


;)

[Chanlo23]

The only benefit the internet has provided is illiteracy. It is destroying libraries. It is disseminating data away from eyeball scrutiny. It promotes stupidity.
The whole darn thing is corrupt.
If it turned off tomorrow, I would be ecstatic.

I agree. Nobody knows anything anymore, nobody holds knowledge in their heads; it's so easy and convenient to let the net remember everything for you. I wonder how this will work out...

Nobody? It's nice to be nobody :(

I'm with you Tesla! Having grown up in a very very small community with limited library, radio, and newspaper access, off the beaten road, filled with ultra-conservative wing-nuts where a family-owned paper printed what THEY wanted you to know and the tiny library was filled with books THEY wanted you to read (and no book stores), I personally have a different view of the internet.

Because of the internet, I can talk to or hear the stories and experiences of people all over the world, be informed about what they are doing and experiencing, and have access to their knowledge and wisdom. Because of the internet, Avalonians are kept apprised of events like these or political uprisings or atrocities that the news syndicates or books and magazines owner/controllers do not want to share because it has the wrong 'spin' for them or has actually been sponsored by them. Because of the internet, there is a wealth of both metaphysical and health/medical information available to everyone that has been suppressed for a very long time.

The massive amount of information available on the internet HAS made people lazy, particularly if they do not want to use their personal experiences, discrimination, logic, discernment, and/or dowsing skills to separate truth from fiction, but/and I would not be happy to be cut off from so much data input that is both timely and historical -- to be left in the dark again.

[Bob]

[..]
Because of the internet, I can talk to or hear the stories and experiences of people all over the world, be informed about what they are doing and experiencing, and have access to their knowledge and wisdom.

Because of the internet, Avalonians are kept apprised of events like these or political uprisings or atrocities that the news syndicates or books and magazines owner/controllers do not want to share because it has the wrong 'spin' for them or has actually been sponsored by them.

Because of the internet, there is a wealth of both metaphysical and health/medical information available to everyone that has been suppressed for a very long time.

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Brilliant ! accurate and sincere and well thought out and pointed out.

I had similar libraries where I grew up too, similarly stocked with the "party line" for people to know this is how "reality" exists.

In Africa some places in the bush have a small solar system, a small satellite system to let the community have an outreach to the rest of the world. It is the only way communications is able to reach them, and they relish the ways provided to reach out and find out anything other than what they are told from mouth to ear gossip chatter.

Speaking of Satellite, in Egypt for instance there was a time when outside connection to the rest of the world was BANNED, that only STATE RUN media would be the purveyors of "information" (read spin).

See http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=886&dat=19930813&id=OhsOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mH0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6718,1528992 - a newspaper article talking about when Satellite was first getting into Egypt, allowing people a way to get some data from "elsewhere".

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2202&dat=19930813&id=7OAlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=kv0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=5207,1139995 - this one a reprint of the above, Satellite dishes bring SEX to Egypt, create controversy ..

Here is a paper about when government tried to keep information from the people -

http://www.cmes.ucsb.edu/papers/radsch_paper.pdf

"Controlling this symbolic power has been the policy of Arab governments ever since television’s introduction into the region. By the mid-1970s every Arab country had built its own terrestrial television system and many had satellite ground stations (Rugh 2004, xiv).

State-owned (and controlled) media outlets have traditionally been used by their governments to portray the regime in a particular way.

Since those in power depend on a mixture of coercion and consent to maintain their rule, they use the media, especially terrestrial broadcasting, to manufacture consent by reflecting the agenda of those in power (Gramsci 1992; Chomsky et al. 1992). Thus it is illegal and punishable by fines and imprisonment to criticize the government in Egypt.

The ban against government (and religious) criticism has a long history that can be traced back to the Ottoman Empire’s first press law for the region in 1857 (Islam 2003).

There is also “a long tradition of Arab states, especially Egypt and Saudi Arabia, attempting to influence what is written about them in the Arab world press” that dates back to the Lebanese civil war (Boyd 2001, 56)."

Putin is playing the old party line. Suppress keep hidden, and say you are not suppressed, you are free. "Read my lips", ever hear that before?


http://www.antipasministries.com/images/jpeg/image3434.jpg

[sigma6]

I have been thinking about this, as I am sure many have. What do we really know? We know that Ukraine just got ripped apart in a hostile takeover. Sorry but that was a total sucker play. (Think musical chairs...) We know the US dollar is collapsing, We know that Western Media is now what the Soviet System was at the peak of it's propaganda, back in it's heyday. (maybe Gorby wasn't all that bad) And Russia does seem to be the new champion of Rule of Law (it's definitely not the US...) These things are hard to hide.

Is it possible, this whole thing is just another "economic harlem shuffle" like 911... (where was all that gold being taken to, anyways?) To distract people from the upcoming US economic collapse? As it takes another step down on the ladder? The US ain't ever going to come clean, and if you don't presume propaganda and try to "interpret" it, then you will be just as clueless as everyone (with rare exception) was on 9/11. All we know for sure is really very little. But change is happening. The global loan interest, and money printing by the US as a result of its lending policies after WWII is coming to an end. 70 years allows borrowers to eliminate debt obligation. 1945 + 70 years = 2015... hmmm.... is the US gravy train coming to the end of the line?



The Ukrainian crisis? It is basically the opposite of what the media and politicians keep repeating both in the US and Europe. They say that the so-called International community have isolated Russia and Vladimir Putin.

In fact it is the real sponsors of the coup d’état and the violence in Ukraine who are isolated not only morally but also strategically.

And it is Putin, the first leader who resisted and defeated the strategy of world domination, who is enjoying the enthusiastic support of his people and the growing admiration of the world. The well financed media and politicians do not want to hear this, but this is the reality. Without exaggeration, one can compare this resistance to that against Napoleon and Hitler…

Only few know precisely how dangerous the situation has been. How close to a real war.


The US needs a story to explain why they are shifting out of global power and their standard of living is diving (or going to take a dive...) i.e. a quantum "step down"... The super rich and elites are already well padded and protected and waiting for what will be, for them, a "blip" on the screen. The middle class are taking it the hardest, being used as an economic cushion for the rich in the first place. The poor will remain poor. And the boogeyman will be Russia. A country on the other side of the planet. The Russians are coming... the Russians are coming! ... How convenient. Meanwhile outside the propaganda bubble of US/Western Media (and we get the same load of sh** here in Canada...) Russia is the bad guy... while our most despised Prime Minister in history is some kind of "moral Dudley do right" (City of London Banking Suck up, didn't they just make a Canadian the head of City of London Banking???? wtf!)

[GuyFox]

This came from Jim Willie:

+ Putin is like a chess player, playing other world leaders on Five boards at once, and winning !
Meanwhile, Obama is struggling and confused, and would rather play checkers

+ Putin is willing to JUST WAIT in the Ukraine, and let the Ukrainians see what the West is doing.
They will behave like people who want to "rape and pillage" the country. As their actions become
more clear, the support for Russia within the country will grow. Time is on the side of Putin

> see: http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index.php?showtopic=15052&page=5

[GuyFox]

"The US needs a story to explain why they are shifting out of global power and their stand of living is going to taking (going to take...) a "step down"... The super rich and elites are already well padded and protected and waiting for what will be, for them, a "blip" on the screen. The middle class are taking it the hardest..."

I don't think the elites will escape Scott-Free.
When the economy collapses, the newly-impoverished Middle Class will likely turn on the elites, and it could get violent. (that is why people like Jim Rogers left the country. I met with him and he told me what was coming 8-10 years ago.)

That is why the police forces have been turned from BLue to Black, so they are armed and ready to push back any violent revolts.

This is the time for Americans-in-the-know, to start thinking like Mr Putin: 2-3 moves ahead in the game.

1. Secure your own wealth: Out of stocks and property (if you can), and into precious metals, with some assets outside the country
2. Think of future personal safety
3. Move towards a less dependent and self sustainable way of living
4. Work locally, and build community among your neighbors
5. IF you cannot do this where you are... Consider Moving !

[sigma6]

I am of the mind whenever I hear a world leader or CEO or anybody in a huge position of trusteeship, (what common people call "authority" ahahah) Whenever I hear they are just "stupid" I don't buy it anymore. They are compromised, they are told to lie, they are covering, they are accepting a bribe, they are making a back door deal.

But just saying they are "stupid" doesn't cut it with me anymore... Doesn't explain anything... It's not compatible with the bigger picture...

It's just another form of group denial... Like when people automatically (as if under a form of hypnotic suggestion) get scared to talk about conspiracies...
And of course without this capacity... We are begging to be compromised. Remember to contemplate the possibility of conspiracy is to exercise your skepticism... To seek truth... To question... To challenge the status quo... Want to do something that makes a difference?... Study read, question all the conspiracy research you can find. Become a critic of others research... Get involved... No law against thinking (yet... )

My favourite line.... "Thought Police!"................. "You're under arrest!"
LOLOL... (try it on someone, watch the look on their faces... it's a gas...)
If we don't step up to the plate. That day is coming... and in some regards is already here... ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

And Russia does seem to be the new champion of Rule of Law (it's definitely not the US...)
The US champions the Abuse of Rule :).

[sigma6]

Putin played the Cabal? Double agent? Triple Agent? Rogue Agent?

4W85OnL4xtY

[sigma6]

Now this is interesting, bet you never heard this before! Daboo scores another hit!

Oldest known pyramid is found in Crimea, Ukraine (now Russia)
-aNLvFKPvPc

[gripreaper]

Is it possible, this whole thing is just another "economic harlem shuffle" like 911... (where was all that gold being taken to, anyways?) To distract people from the upcoming US economic collapse? As it takes another step down on the ladder? The US ain't ever going to come clean, and if you don't presume propaganda and try to "interpret" it, then you will be just as clueless as everyone (with rare exception) was on 9/11. All we know for sure is really very little. But change is happening. The global loan interest, and money printing by the US as a result of its lending policies after WWII is coming to an end. 70 years allows borrowers to eliminate debt obligation. 1945 + 70 years = 2015... hmmm.... is the US gravy train coming to the end of the line?

According to my research, the initial bankruptcy of the organic united states, due to the war of 1812 and the subsequent pledging of assets to the international banksters, occurred some time in the early 1860's, exasperated by the civil war. Today on Memorial Day, while we honor those who gave their lives in wars, it behooves us to remember, all wars are bankers wars designed to indenture nations and bankrupt them into subservience to the globalists.

So, bankruptcies do run 70 years, which puts us in the early 1930's (think great depression, and the New Deal), and again in the early 2000's (think 9-11). The back story that almost no one talks about when they review 9-11, is that the bankruptcy of the early 1930's was about to expire, and the gold repatriated to it's owners who pledged it against the bankruptcy, for a line of credit. Subsequently, the line of credit continued to be drawn upon and the indenture expanded due to WW11, which could not be fully discharged or setoff, thus requiring a renewal of the bankruptcy in 2001.

Of course, many nations who were expecting to retire their bonds from the early 1930's and receive their wealth back, were not happy about the terms of the renewal, many of which we peons will never know. What we do know, is that the main financial district of the world during this 70 year period was New York, as we saw the globalists intent of eradicating that icon of power and shifting it elsewhere, right before our eyes with a directed energy weapon, the likes of which no one had ever seen before. You can rest assured, that those in the upper echelons of power, who participated, and those who did not, saw the towers go down, the records destroyed, the gold moved, the bankruptcy renewed under new terms, and housekeeping set up in the east, removed from and no longer in the west.

These nations, who were promised certain concessions in this new 70 year term, is playing out right before our eyes once again, as the GDP of Russia and China grows and the US deteriorates, signaling the shift and rebalance of global power.

Although the core structure is still the same, from the Jesuits and the Vatican, to their agents, the City of London, New York and Wall Street, and now Dubai, I'm not privy to the terms of the new 70 year renewal, but can only see the fallout and the trajectory of those terms, and make best guess extrapolations based on these observations.

My best guess, is that Russia and China were promised certain concessions, and are fully aware that the US is to be taken down a few notches in the global power structure, as well as economically, while the multi-national corporations are shifting their headquarters and their infrastructure outside US borders. I'm sure they are also still very aware that the globalist mercenary force is still housed on US soil and that the globalist creditors can use their DEWS any time any country breaches the terms of the new bankruptcy and tries to go off script or go rogue. Possibly flight MH370 was also a DEW demonstration to someone in this power shift.

The main distinction, for me, when discussing these topics, is whether we are talking nationalistic or globalistic. This context is very important if we are to piece the puzzle together. You see, the globalists have no such notions of nationalism, so anything which is put in front of us which appears to be divisive between nations, is basically part of the script and means nothing at the level where the real shift is occurring, in my humble opinion. I'm very skeptical at this stage of the game, about all this talk of BRIC nations setting up a system of trade outside of the current system, without it being a dialectic of a larger context which is already under way and has been since 2001.

So, be weary of global accounts, alliances against the bankster cabal, the movement of precious metals, and talk of the dollar collapse. If you live in the US, be prepared for ALL asset classes to be taken out behind the woodshed and severely beaten until they are basically left for dead. Deflation MUST occur first when tearing down an economic infrastructure, and gold and silver will go down with it. There is no safe haven, so to speak. You can follow the banksters and the corporations as they move their wealth, or you can short the demise on the way down and preserve yours.

Either way, the deflation, in my conjectural opinion, will take about ten years and will be a slow bleed. Wars and rumors of wars are just noise. No need for a major war to facilitate the shift. All nations are already on board and have agreed to the terms of the current 70 year cycle, albeit somewhat under duress, but agreed nonetheless.

The Dragon family might not like it, and they may be thinking of ways to finally get rid of the alien interlopers who stole this planet and hybridized its people, but these alien interlopers still are the gods, and they still brought the technology, and they still hybridized us and own us, and they still run things and have for thousands of years.

Finding pyramids and large cities underwater all around the globe (think Graham Hancock and Fingerprints of the Gods) just illustrates how ancient this control is and how many times we have been visited and messed with. How in hell did the water level of the oceans raise up 300 feet and cover all those ancient cities? My best guess is it came from blowing up Tiamat, but that's a whole other topic for another thread.

Suffice to say, they have directed energy technology again and are not afraid to use it to keep their planet earth corporation in line, the military state of emergency, the continued bankruptcy and executive privilege and mandate as creditors, all of it. This time I hope it doesn't flood the earth and raise the oceans 300-500 feet!

[sigma6]

Nice call reaper... hahah... that is in line with Harry S Dent's belief that deflation has to happen first, and that's a tricky subject because it is all about timing... of course deflations will blow the banks apart millions of mortgages could be wiped out... I wonder if all the trillions abrogated during the bailouts would be enough to cover them. the US citizens may have one more chance to blow off the banks and get rid of the cabal in one fell swoop, or they can hand over another couple of trillions and maintain their existing mortgages... (palm slap)

According to Shrout the 3rd and final 70 year period of bankruptcy eliminates ALL debt obligations. So it goes even deeper. The people have been free since 2001. That was the whole reason Shrout got on the wagon. The trick is the corporations prefer to operate in bankruptcy. That's their thing, fiat currency, bankruptcy, accrual accounting and ... they were supposed to be the world's trustees for all the gold according to the original plan. That the existence of gold would be the cause of wars. It turns out they used St Germain plan as a ruse to lure everybodies gold into their vaults and have now stolen it.??? If this is the case. And they are found out... The repercussions for the US would be incalculable...

Anyhow just another speculation...

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Apparently this is a Benjamin Fulford Update:
Not sure I got in the mail... (he's going mainstream... lol)

Last week saw major cabal set-backs in the financial war together with several big moves on the energy front.
On the financial front, former World Bank lawyer Karen Hudes and lawyer Winston Shrout tried to sue the World Bank into returning 1000 tons of gold deposited with it by the government of Japan, according to CIA and Japanese government sources (Ms. Hudes did not answer an e-mail asking for confirmation of this). However, the US Treasury Department, the de facto controllers of the World Bank, refused, saying the gold Japan had deposited with the World Bank was stolen from the dragon family, the sources said.
In any case, the dragon family has not gotten its gold back either, so the fact remains the United States corporate government has stolen all the gold it held in trust for the planet and is bankrupt. The only rational option for the United States is now to bankrupt the corporate government, nationalize the Federal Reserve Board and start issuing greenbacks. The cabal, of course, will use all its power to prevent that from happening so continued financial turbulence is inevitable until the whole structure collapses (more about that below).
On the energy front things are looking much better: it has now become clear that the suppressed energy technology genie is out of the bottle. A major Japanese manufacturer contacted the White Dragon Society last week to say they were going ahead with the production of Tesla Quantum Energy Generators. The WDS has still not been able to test such a device though.
On a different front, a major Japanese government research organization has started, in conjunction with the Pentagon, to manufacture a one meter by two meter sized nuclear reactor that
uses so-called spent nuclear fuel rods and is capable of generating 50,000 megawatts (enough for a city), according to a senior researcher. The devices will be built on US military bases to prevent cabal interference, he said. The US Navy will start by using them in submarines and battleships, he said.
This move coincides with the announcement of a successful attempt by the US navy to create aviation and rocket fuel out of sea-water using electricity generated by a nuclear power plant.
http://www.voanews.com/content/us-navy-lab-turns-seawater-into-fuel/1919512.html
It also turns out that Tokyo Gas has already begun marketing fuel cells that provide houses with both heating and electricity. The official Tokyo Gas website says these fuel cells run on natural gas but Japanese government sources say the electricity is generated by extracting hydrogen from water.
http://home.tokyo-gas.co.jp/enefarm_special/enefarm/structure_detail.html
The other big move in the energy sector was the announcement by newly elected Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi that every household in India will have solar power by 2019. Modi, who is banned from entering the US by the cabal, is definitely not going to go along with the cabal on many other issues, not just solar power.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/20/3439254/india-prime-minister-modi-solar/
If India can do it, so can the rest of the world. If the US had a real government, most US houses could also be solar powered within 5 years. No matter what though, with both China and India now going full speed ahead with solar power, the oil and gas industries can no longer keep the price of solar panels artificially high.
The oil and gas industry also saw some big changes come to light last week. The biggest was the announcement by the US Energy Information Administration that US shale oil reserves were only about 30% of what was previously talked about.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-22/us-shale-oil-miracle-disappears
This means any US talk of replacing Russia as a supplier of gas to Europe is just talk. In this context, Lord Peter Mandelson, described by MI5 as a representative of the Rothschild family, cited US (non-existent) shale oil as part of his backing for a public threat to “freeze Russia out of the global financial system.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/10850249/Lord-Mandelson-sees-looming-nightmare-for-Russian-economy-despite-gas-deal.html
In specific, he threatened that $700 billion worth of Russian corporate external debt would “not be rolled over.” This is pure bluff. According to the MI5 source, the UK has also been vastly exaggerating its shale gas reserves. It is also clear that it is the Rothschilds, not Russia, who are being frozen out.
The $400 billion gas deal Russia announced with China last week means that even if Europe decided to shoot itself in the foot and stop buying Russian gas, Russia has found other customers.
What is really at stake here is Rothschild and cabal control over the Western financial system.
Here the situation is coming to a head over the Ukraine because Russia is asking for the Ukraine to start paying for its Russian gas with cash starting in June. Ukraine does not have the money. There is talk of the IMF providing Ukraine with the money but the IMF, a cabal construct, does not have money or gold either. Ukraine’s new president has already said he will talk directly with Russia over this issue without Western input. Nor is he likely to agree to hand over Ukraine’s resources to Western oligarchs.
Other cabal money grabs are also being foiled. The monarchist military coup in Thailand last week means the attempt by the cabal to steal the gold belonging to the Thai royal family as well as the Persian gold stored in Thailand via rogue CIA manipulated “redshirts” has been stopped.
We also found out last week what US corporate president Obama was up to when he visited Japan earlier this month. According to Japanese government sources, he tried to steal most of the money that had been set aside for the reconstruction of Fukushima.
A Chinese government source confirmed this and said the Americans (cabal) had offered to sell most of the real estate in Fukushima, as well as energy production facilities there, to Chinese companies. The Chinese were also offered a chance to buy some Japanese media conglomerates, he said. With allies like that, Japan does not need enemies.
Obama also tried once again to cash the fake Kennedy bonds while in Asia, this time through the South Koreans, the Chinese source said.
This is the context in which the attempt by Karen Hudes to get Japanese gold out of the World Bank took place.
We have also heard from MI6 sources in Asia that US Vice President Biden has been secretly offering to sell Hawaii to the Chinese in an attempt to keep the US corporate government solvent.
Speaking about Hawaii, so-called Hawaiian born President Obama was in Afghanistan this weekend where he made a speech where he kept to the fiction that the 911 attacks originated in Afghanistan. Are there actually still people out there who believe that? The fact he refers to the 911 lie is proof that he is complicit in that attack.
What is it going to take to get the US military to march into Washington and arrest these crooks? Why are they still allowed to carry out terror attacks and lie to the world? We are hearing, once again, that things are coming to a head. Let us make it so.
Things are coming to a head in Europe too. The EU elections last week showed anti-EU parties winning in the UK, France, Denmark, Greece and elsewhere. This reflects widespread dissatisfaction with the Bilderberger/Nazi EU project. The Germans, who have been subsidizing most of these countries, may decide to link forces with Russia in an effort to get their idea of a unified Europe back on track.
The Germans have already refused to go along with cabal attempts to use the manufactured crisis in the Ukraine to isolate Russia. They may now take things one step forward and join with the BRICS nations to isolate the Nazi regimes in the US, the UK and other Western countries.
The White Dragon plan is unfolding according to schedule. The end of cabal rule is a mathematical certainty.

[gripreaper]

According to Shrout the 3rd and final 70 year period of bankruptcy eliminates ALL debt obligations. So it goes even deeper. The people have been free since 2001. That was the whole reason Shrout got on the wagon.

This is where I am not sure. The 3rd round of bankruptcy started in 2001, so would it not still be in effect till 2070? Did not Shrout and Keith Scott file commercial liens which have not been forced into liquidation of assets to be paid? Now Hudes and Shrout filed a lawsuit? With the Hague or the world court?

If you have any current information on how the expiration of the 1930's bankruptcy actually played out, and how the settlements and repatriations are occurring, and whether or not the long term debts outstanding from the lines of credit allocated to specific nations in the last 70 years has been discharged or setoff, or renewed in a subsequent bankruptcy, please let me know.

My understanding is that no nation was able to retire their bonds and get their gold back, and that they all renewed the bankruptcy, and the globalist banksters are still in control.

[Snoweagle]

In light of recent events an alternative and objective summary to the worlds current conflict status and a window into our global future is presented in these two recent videos. (May and July 2014)

Lots of talk within the alternate media regarding the Swiss Cabal operating behind the Vatican planning any means to invoke a global crisis is being thwarted, apparently, by many like minded cross culture individuals at all levels.

Whether this suggests the Axis of Evil in the US and the EU are indeed threatened or failing in their desire to create a racist NWO is subject to our desire and intent to mould a better future. The alternate global media does appear to have a very strong influence on exposing the wrongs. Long may it continue.

Maybe, together we can spoil the "2016 End of Times" party.

Vladimir Putin Traitor to the New World Order. Part 1
4W85OnL4xtY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W85OnL4xtY

Vladimir Putin Traitor to the New World Order. Part 2
3boC2D-iviI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3boC2D-iviI

Does this make me a Putin fan or Pro Russian activist? No, it doesn't
But, damn, if this continues to play out to formulate global peace and eradicate the lies of our past then I would back a three legged donkey winning the Derby to achieve that end.

The BRICS are the New World. Only time will tell if this squeeze on the Cabal will bear fruit.

(unlike yesterday, my access to internet media is once again established; trying to stop us all does seem to be beyond their capabilities)

[Humble Janitor]

Putin is hard-headed and unforgiving.

I consider him another NWO puppet. Sure, he may appear like he turned on them. In reality, he wants Ukraine. He wants the USSR of old.

[Snoweagle]

Putin is hard-headed and unforgiving.
I consider him another NWO puppet. Sure, he may appear like he turned on them. In reality, he wants Ukraine. He wants the USSR of old.

Well, that's as "may be".
Yes, he has dispatched the oligarchs, not many Russians or the world would criticise him for that.
Yes, he may well be a NWO puppet, maybe of a different genre though his stance against the old guard, I feel, must be respected.
Yes, he has managed Russia's economic growth to the point of a nations self sustainment.
Yes, he has dismantled a lot of the criminal infrastructure though I will confess where to draw the line in Russia to what is good and evil is still somewhat a mystery.

I have seen no evidence to endorse your view that Putin wants the old USSR or Ukraine for "personal" gain.
He may want to keep the Ukraine out of Europe's hands, WHICH I AGREE with. If the Ukrainians really knew what living in the west is truly like they would run at Putin and the BRICs.

[Humble Janitor]

Remember, Putin is ex-KGB. Rule of the thumb is not to trust those who work(ed) with alphabet agencies. That goes for the U.S and any other country as well.

[Wind]

Putin opposes the the cabal cronies and that's why they can't stand him, but still he too is a leader who loves power over everything else... If only we had true leaders who loved the humanity. One day we will.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/29wsqac.jpg

[Snoweagle]

Remember, Putin is ex-KGB. Rule of the thumb is not to trust those who work(ed) with alphabet agencies. That goes for the U.S and any other country as well.

Quite agree. I live in a military city, everyone over 40 is ex something or another and blinded by their civil service to toe the line.
The US and UK are aligned by AIPAC and the EU equivalents through secret societies and others. They are rotten to the core. Betrayal by their beliefs will be their rewards.
Do I see Russia as the land of milk and honey, No I don't, but what I see is a secular movement influencing the destruction of all that was beautiful in the west.

Ironically the betrayal card is yet to be played, in my opinion, it will be the final action.

So Putin is ex KGB, David Cameron is ex Eton and Obama is gay. Which is scarier?

[Humble Janitor]

Obama is gay? Where'd you hear that nonsense? Even so, why would it matter?

Otherwise, why does this always have to be "West vs East"? This isn't a footy match. This is real life. There are millions of lives at stake.

[Tyy1907]

Putin is hard-headed and unforgiving.

I consider him another NWO puppet. Sure, he may appear like he turned on them. In reality, he wants Ukraine. He wants the USSR of old.

Stewart Swerdlow says that exact thing in an interview I heard the other day. About Putin wanting the USSR again. Personally I find Swerdlows perspective not worth the time. He laughs at people that take a stand and rediscover who they are. My thoughts.

[Snoweagle]

Obama is gay? Where'd you hear that nonsense? Even so, why would it matter?

Exactly my point regarding Putin.

[BlueMuffin]

It's all political theatrics... they both answer to the same people, simply playing out their roles to incite tension to initiate their eventual war agendas, among other things.

He's not in actual opposition to the "NWO" and they've used such tactics for centuries. They play out the exact same game right here in the US and probably anybody else's residing country. They infiltrate both parties and then have them at each others throats constantly blaming each other, while at the same time keeping everybody in the country divided with their "political affiliations" while they operate as is behind the scenes. This is why nothing ever actually productive gets done in government.

To think Putin and this alliance of countries are the good guys is nothing but naivety, to be completely honest.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Cidersomerset]

These are the main reasons why the west has been stirring up trouble in the
Ukraine as far as I can see. There are obviously other factors involved, but
it does seem strange to be pushing Russia to the brink of war, by supporting
an illegal regime in Kiev destroying the cities and killing many ethnic Russians
in the East of the country. Putin knows if he interferes, as happened in the Crimea
which had unique historical ties with Russia , it will give Obama the green light to
call in NATO. But if he does nothing , the Russian media will put pressure on him.I
think in the end Putin will bide his time and open his borders to the refugees and
call the west bluff by not sending official military forces into the region, Although
this could change at any time with another 'false flag'......

Quo Bono...Who benifits ? and Follow the money ! ....The Economic Hitmen from
the west that have exploited Africa for over a century and South America and
Asia to various degrees at different periods. This is the reason why the elites in the
west are gambling on provoking war , before in their eyes Russia and China become
to power full and they start losing their wealth to their new Russian and Asian Elites.

Either way the normal citizens from all over the world will be manipulated
and drawn into conflict, that no one wants. Except the rich elites and corporations.

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Vladimir Putin signs historic $20bn oil deal with Iran to bypass Western sanctions

Thursday 7th August 2014 at 05:15 By david-icke


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Vladimir Putin signs historic $20bn oil deal with Iran to bypass Western sanctions

Five-year accord will see Russia help Iran organise oil sales, but government denies
it has violated international obligations

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Despite the sanctions, Iran has been looking to boost oil production in recent
months, setting a new output target of 5.7m barrels per day (bpd) of crude by
2018 Photo: AP


Vladimir Putin has agreed a $20bn (£11.8bn) trade deal with Iran that will see
Russia sidestep Western sanctions on its energy sector.

Under the terms of a five-year accord, Russia will help Iran organise oil sales as
well as “cooperate in the oil-gas industry, construction of power plants, grids,
supply of machinery, consumer goods and agriculture products”, according to a
statement by the Energy Ministry in Moscow.

The Russian government issued a new statement on Wednesday after mysteriously
withdrawing a similar release on Tuesday.

Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak said on Wednesday that his government
will help Iran bring its oil to market. In return, Iran wants to imort power and pump
equipment, steel products such as pipes, machinery for its leather and textile
industries, wood, wheat, pulses, oilseeds and meat.

Iran "is also interested in the joint construction of power generation and
development of coal deposits", Mr Novak added.

Further talks between the two countries will take place next month, he said.

A deal could see Russia buying 500,000 barrels of Iranian oil a day, the Moscow-
based Kommersant newspaper has previously reported. That would be about a fifth
of Iran’s output in June and half its exports.

There’s a question over “how substantive this memorandum is”, Richard Mallinson,
an analyst at Energy Aspects in London, told Bloomberg. “There would be various
practical limitations in terms of Iran’s current production capacity, geography and
shipping logistics, as well as US sanctions.”

The move is a win-win for both nations after they were hit with Western sanctions
aimed at limiting their energy sectors.

The European Union recently unveiled a raft of measures to restrict certain oil
exploration and oil drilling related products in Russia after what President Barack
Obama called the country's "illegal actions" in Ukraine. Russia's prescence in the
Eastern European country reached a watershed moment last month when Malaysia
Airlines Flight MH17 was allegedly shot down by rebels sympathetic to Mr Putin's
government, killing all 298 people on board.

On Tuesday, the Russian President told regional leaders that “the political tools of
economic pressure are unacceptable and run counter to all norms and rules”,
adding that he had given orders to boost domestic manufacturers at the expense of
non-Russian ones.

Meanwhile, Iran has faced sanctions due to its reluctance to end a controversial
nuclear programme. The country has been locked in talks with six world powers -
Britain, China, France, Russia, the US and Germany - to reach an understanding,
with an interim deal to lift a ban on sales to the EU and limiting them to Asia
agreed in November. However, since then talks have stalled, causing Iran's
petroleum exports to halve in the past two years, according to OPEC.

Despite the sanctions, Iran has been looking to boost oil production in recent
months, setting a new output target of 5.7m barrels per day (bpd) of crude by
2018 - OPEC believes Iran is currently pumping about 3m bpd of crude. However, it
needs the help of international oil companies, and Russian energy firms have
repeatedly expressed an interest in teaming up with Iran.

Alexander Novak, Russia's minister of energy, said an agreement would not violate
international obligations and is important given the current "reality".

The White House has previously said that reports of talks between Russia and Iran were
a matter of "serious concern".

"If the reports are true, such a deal would raise serious concerns as it would be
inconsistent with the terms of the agreement with Iran," Caitlin Hayden, spokeswoman
for the White House National Security Council, said in January.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/11014604/Vladimir-Putin-signs-historic-20bn-oil-deal-with-Iran-to-bypass-Western-sanctions.html

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21 May 2014 Last updated at 13:58

Russia signs 30-year gas deal with ChinaGazprom CEO Alexei Miller and CNPC
Chairman Zhou shake hands with Russian President Putin Gazprom CEO Alexei
Miller (centre) and CNPC Chairman Zhou Jiping shake hands as Russian President
Putin looks on during the

Russia's President Vladimir Putin has signed a multi-billion dollar, 30-year gas deal
with China.

The deal between Russia's Gazprom and China National Petroleum Corp (CNPC) has
been 10 years in the making.

Russia has been keen to find an alternative energy market for its gas as it faces the
possibility of European sanctions over the crisis in Ukraine.

No official price has been given but it is estimated to be worth over $400bn.

President Putin said in a statement to the Russian news channel Rossiya: "The price
is satisfactory for both sides.

"It is tied, like it is envisaged in all our international contracts with Western
partners, specifically our partners in Western Europe, to the market price on oil and
oil products. It is an absolutely calibrated, general formula for pricing."

Gazprom shares rose 2% on the news.


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Jump media playerMedia player helpOut of media player. Press enter to return or
tab to continue.How significant is the deal?

The agreement, signed at a summit in Shanghai, is expected to deliver some 38
billion cubic metres of natural gas a year eastward to China's burgeoning economy,
starting around 2018.

The main argument has been over price and China is thought to have been driving
a hard bargain.

Over the last 10 years it has found other gas suppliers. Turkmenistan is now
China's largest foreign gas supplier, and last year it started importing piped natural
gas from Myanmar.

Alexei Miller, Chief Executive of Gazprom said the new deal was "the biggest
contract in the entire history of the USSR and Gazprom - over 1 trillion cubic
metres of gas will be supplied during a whole contractual period."

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Analysis: Jamie Robertson, BBC News

The gas deal between Russia and China was signed at 04:00 China time, which
gives some indication of the level of urgency over these talks. Mr Putin appears to
have been determined not to leave Shanghai without a deal - and he got one.

But the financial details are a "commercial secret", so we don't know how much he
had to give away to get it. Certainly China needs the gas to help it cut its coal-fired
smog levels, and it wants to diversify supply. But it had the luxury of time in which
to negotiate, something Mr Putin was short of.

The perceived motive for the deal is that Russia needs a second market for its gas,
so it can face up to European sanctions. Given that the "Power of Siberia" pipeline
won't start pumping gas into Chinese factories until 2018 at the earliest, its
economic effect on the European crisis will be limited.

More important may be the investment that China will make into Russia's power
and transport infrastructure. Putin may not have managed to sign the most
advantageous of gas deals on Wednesday but the opening of economic doors with
China could well be the greater achievement.

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Rain Newton-Smith, head of emerging markets at Oxford Economics, said: "The
whole tenet of the deal has a symbolic value - it says that the two countries are
prepared to work with one another. For instance there were other elements such as
Chinese participation in Russian transport infrastructure and power generation.

"It is similar in many ways to China's investments in Africa where they drive a hard
bargain over the price of raw materials but then provide infrastructure for the
economies they are doing business with.

Jonathan Marcus, the BBC's defence and diplomatic correspondent said tensions
between Russia and the west were not just over Ukraine: "There are fundamental
differences over Syria and about the whole direction in which President Vladimir
Putin is taking his country.

"Thus this deal could symbolise an important moment of transition - when both in
economic and geo-political terms, Russia's gaze begins to look more towards the
East than towards the West."

Siberian power

Another sticking point on the deal has been the construction of pipelines into China.

Currently there is one complete pipeline that runs across Russia's Far East to the
Chinese border, called The Power of Siberia. It was started in 2007, three years
after Gazprom and CNPC signed their initial agreement in 2004.

But financing the $22-30bn cost of sending it into China has been central to the
latest discussions.

China is Russia's largest single trading partner, with bilateral trade flows of $90bn
(£53bn) in 2013.

The two neighbours aim to double the volume to $200bn in 10 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27503017

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Best video on Russia-China gas deal you'll ever see - Marin Katusa Interview


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Published on 2 Jun 2014


Marin Katusa, the Chief Energy Investment Strategist for Casey Research chats with
Cambridge House Live anchor Bridgitte Anderson about the recent earth-shaking Russia-
China gas deal and how it is changing the geopolitical landscape of the world. An
absolute must-watch for investors and political junkies alike.

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BRICS and alternate trading currency

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Published on 15 Jul 2014


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JIM ROGERS - BRAZIL, CHINA & RUSSIA (BRICS) Making Plans To Compete AGAINST
the U.S. DOLLAR

A new Gold Standard is coming, led by the East, driven through trade. The BRICS
nations have decided to fund their development bank with $100 billion. The
reserves are aimed at financing joint development ventures, and are set to rival the
dominance of the World Bank and the IMF.

"At the final stage of realization -- the initiative to create a BRICS forex reserve
pool -- the size of its capital has been agreed at $100 billion," Russian President
Vladimir Putin said while opening the G20 Summit in St. Petersburg.

Russia, Brazil and India will contribute $18 billion to the BRICS currency reserve pool,
while China $41 billion and South Africa $5 billion, according to a press release issued
by the BRICS on Thursday. Earlier this week Russia's Finance Minister Sergei Storchak
said that there were still a lot of "difficult details" to sort out.

"These are systematic themes, complicated [and] negotiationsare difficult. We must
assume the bank will not start functioning as fast as one could imagine. It will take
months, maybe a year,"

The creation of the reserves pool may help the BRICS nations in their drive to reform
votes and quotas in the International Monetary Fund (IMF). "jim rogers" global business
investor investment usd dollar "u.s. dollar" oil gas "natural gas" BRICS brazil russia
system bank banking "bank account" india china chinese "china rmb" currency
forex "forex trading" "currency exchange" "latin america" latin europe russian asia
export goods japanese business employment cheap 2014 2015 "savings account" gold
silver war "gold bullion" "gold trading" stocks trading trade "elite nwo agenda" "gold etf"
debt finance future news entertainment media u.s. "united states" usa max keiser end
of the dollar alex jones infowars gerald celente rant bilderberg bohemian grove clinton
obama impeach we the people in god we trust end game david icke lindsey williams
elite 1% farrakhan

The Almighty Dollar Is In Peril As The Global 'De-Dollarization' Trend Accelerates
Prominent international voices are starting to question why the U.S. dollar should be so
overwhelmingly dominant. As the Obama administration continues to alienate almost
everyone else around the entire planet, an increasing number of prominent international
voices are starting to question why the U.S. dollar should be so overwhelmingly
dominant in global trade. In previous articles, I have discussed Russia's "de-
dollarization strategy" and the fact that Gazprom is now asking their large customers to
start paying in currencies other than the dollar. But this is not just a story about Russia
any longer. China and South Korea have just signed a major agreement to facilitate
trade with one another using their own national currencies, and even prominent French
officials use the dollar less and the euro more. John Williams of shadowstats.com
recently said that things have never "been more negative" for the U.S. dollar, and he
was right on the mark. The power of the almighty dollar has allowed all of us living in
the United the U.S. economy. In future years the value of the dollar will go down
substantially, all of the imported goods filling our stores will become much more
expensive, and it is going to cost the federal government a lot more to borrow money.
Unfortunately, with the stock market hitting all-time record highs and with the
mainstream media endlessly touting an "economic recovery", most Americans are not
paying any attention to these things.

French oil giant Total is one of the largest energy companies in the entire world. On
Saturday, Total's CEO made an absolutely stunning statement. According to Reuters, he
told reporters that there "is no reason to pay for oil in dollars"... The BRICs Are
Morphing Into An Anti-Dollar Allianceincreasingly more countries are setting the
stage for the final currency war, we go again to Russia where VOR's Valentin
Mândr??escu explains that slowly but surely theBRICS -- that proud Goldman
acronym which was conceived to perpetuate the great American way of life by
releasing trillions in US-denominated debt in heretofore untapped markets
-- are morphing into an anti-dollar alliance.

BRICS is morphing into an anti-dollar alliance, From VOR

Before the crucial visit to Beijing next week, the governor of the Russian Central
Bank, Elvira Nabiullina met Vladimir Putin to report on the progress of the
upcoming ruble-yuan swap deal with the People's Bank of China and Kremlin used
the meeting to let the world know about the technical details of its international
anti-dollar alliance

[Cidersomerset]

Humanitarian Crisis: No water, power, comms in Lugansk, E. Ukraine

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Published on 5 Aug 2014


The eastern Ukrainian city of Lugansk has declared a state of humanitarian
catastrophe over a lack of medical supplies, electricity, lighting, mobile and internet
communication. Some 250,000 civilians are unable to leave, the statement also
says. READ MORE http://on.rt.com/7scs3a


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Russia urges intl humanitarian mission for besieged E. Ukraine cities


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Published on 6 Aug 2014


The situation in eastern Ukraine was described as a catastrophic,
full-blown war by Russia's UN envoy during Security Council meeting.
READ MORE http://on.rt.com/46sslk


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'Sanctions won't help resolve Ukrainian crisis'

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Published on 6 Aug 2014


Russian official has said that imports of all US agricultural goods, to
Russia, will be halted for a year. RT asks John Griffing, media contributor
and republican official, how those sanctions will affect relations between
Moscow and Washington


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Russia Strikes Back: Bans products from EU, US, Australia, Norway, Canada

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Published on 7 Aug 2014


Russian PM Dmitry Medvedev has signed a decree on the full ban for imports
of beef, pork, poultry meat, fish, cheese, milk, vegetables and fruit from Australia,
Canada, the EU, the US and Norway. The ban will last a year, starting August 7.
READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/ejgvbp


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US is militarizing Ukraine to invade Russia. Sergei Glazyev (Putin’s economic adviser)

Thursday 7th August 2014 at 07:56 By david-icke

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Published on 20 Jun 2014


Putin's economic advisor reveals the massive militarization of Ukraine, intended
not only to crush Donbass, but to re-take Crimea, and be the puppets to start
another world war for further consolidation of the US hegemony over Eurasia.

[aheb]

Let us not forget that the pain will start at the periphery. We already know that banco /espirito sancto of portugal has failed and erste bank of Austria is in trouble. The sanctions will have a devestating effect on Greece but alos Germany relies on /russian gas. This could split up the EU

[Cidersomerset]

NATO Warns Russia Will Use ‘Humanitarian Mission’ as Pretext to Invade Ukraine

Thursday 7th August 2014 at 08:06 By david-icke

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‘NATO is again warning that Russia has amassed troops on its border and may soon invade Ukraine.

NATO claims Russia has 20,000 troops on the border and added 8,000 this week. Ukrainian officials,
who routinely exaggerate the Russian threat, say the number is close to 45,000 troops with 100
fighter jets, helicopters and bombers, further heightening tensions in the region.’

Read more: NATO Warns Russia Will Use 'Humanitarian Mission' as Pretext to Invade Ukraine


http://www.prisonplanet.com/nato-warns-russia-will-use-humanitarian-mission-as-pretext-to-invade-ukraine.html

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Cider, do you remember the 2014 Prediction Thread on PA? the research/opinion only one?

Seeing this happen is a bit surreal ------------------- but omg ---- interesting times to live in for sure!

Maybe between Russia and Iran some methane will be saved that other countries would have wasted a la Macondo outgassing.

When natural gas is wasted, it really is a big Ouch and it also causes a LOT more climate shift than carbon ever could!

there is more frozen methane on the ocean floor than we could use in 1,000 years on planet earth under the right system.


but these endless wars, capitalism etc ... it's gonna send us into yet another 100 years of silence.


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p.s.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64210-Member-Predictions-for-2014-and-Beyond-Intuition-Common-Sense-and-Research-Trends-Predictions-ONLY&p=742080&viewfull=1#post742080

[sigma6]

Let us not forget that the pain will start at the periphery. We already know that banco /espirito sancto of portugal has failed and erste bank of Austria is in trouble. The sanctions will have a devestating effect on Greece but alos Germany relies on /russian gas. This could split up the EU

that's the plan...

[sigma6]

0P8exx-ekbw
I'm sorry but could you imagine if this woman was your mother? Look at the stress and terror, have we become so numb? This is a 55-60ish year old woman, who has probably worked her heart out doing menial labour and raising children. She is clearly suffering physical health issues, perhaps lack of water and proper food.

She looks psychologically terrorized, it's plainly written on her face.... and all by a government that has received billions from the US for the sole purpose of paying off a few shills who are willing to sell their fellow "citizens" down the creek

... which will eventually leave the country to hang out to dry. And unfortunately that is the PRIMARY reason why they are now killing each other.

We should start a new phrase we there is a 1% that controls 90% of the planet's wealth.

But they require the 2% that are the psychopaths, that will slit their own grandmother's throat for a dollar, and some false recognition to feed their own denial.

[Cidersomerset]

How World Bank & IMF Plan to ‘Dismantle’ Ukrainian Economy

Sunday 10 August 2014


By david-icke

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Published on 4 Aug 2014

West looks to ramp up gas production, as Vice President
Biden’s son named leader in Ukrainian gas company Burisma

[linksplatinum]

truther

I was able to watch this through, and it was worth it to see some of the faces of the people in the audience, most notably Angela Merkel, Hillary Clinton (I think), and best of all Senator Joseph Lieberman. Putin told the whole world what has been going on, and I doubt he would have said anything if they didn’t have the situation well under control.

Vladimir Putin Exposes the ‘New World Order’

Because the American people are so poorly informed, I can see how as so many might watch this video and not know what to think. They have been taught over and over again to fear the Russians, to fear Putin, to fear just about everything. I can also see, for instance, how a video like this could be edited and become very misleading, and my people would become even more terrified than they already are.

The New Development Bank (NDB), formerly referred to as the BRICS Development Bank, is multilateral development bank operated by the BRICS states (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) as an alternative to the existing US-dominated World Bank and International Monetary Fund. The Bank is set up to foster greater financial and development cooperation among the five emerging markets. Together, the four original BRIC countries comprise in 2014 more than 2.8 billion people or 40 percent of the world’s population, cover more than a quarter of the world’s land area over three continents, and account for more than 25 percent of global GDP. It will be headquartered in Shanghai, China.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr5GxN3C8uw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OXGSS7qF2A


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7br_cHdpbIg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCDoU92rO7w

Source~~~~> http://www.pakalertpress.com/2014/08/11/vladimir-putin-exposes-the-new-world-order/
en.wikipedia.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Development_Bank
worldtruth

[Sabrina]

Thanks for this linksplatinum - far more thoughtful than the emotive spin dished out by other Western world leaders to be put into convenient little sound bytes by compliant press to be fed to the masses with failing attention spans :)...

[Zionbrion]

This is good stuff, only watched part 1 so far. Thanks for your platinum link. :)

[Sidney]

This information/ videos need to be spread.viral via facecrook etc. Lets make good use of the social media. Real news does not happen via tv. Not in the US.

[TargeT]

I wish I spoke Russian, the subtitles seemed accurate, topic tied to inflection and body language; but there's always loss in translation.

Either way, I really wonder if this is just more political intrigue with no real beneficial outcome (for the "masses") desired, or not... with putin I'd say it's the former.

[Ilie Pandia]

Vladimir Putin did not expose anything in this video (and I've watched all 4 parts).

He only made (not so) veiled threats against the US and NATO forces.

The basic message is this: "USA, you are no longer allowed to steal the resources for yourself, now Russia is back in the game and we will get our share!".

Russia wants to reserve their right to interfere on the global politics as they please and of course they do not like the USA bullying others, but not because they care about the victim countries. :)

Did he mention ETs? - No.

Did he mention Free Energy? - No.

Did he mention research into so called paranormal and consciousness? - No.

Did he expose anything.. well no, not really. He is just saying: back off! we're on the playground too!

Does this really help any of the "under-developed" nations? No, but he says that yes. And the logic behind it is that if Russia does not oppose the USA then we will all be slaves under the USA rule. But this is just another excuse for amassing more power.

I think he is correct about the USA's tactics, but he would do just the same :). This was uploaded in Dec. 2011... what is Putin doing today? Following the USAs model? By their fruits you shall now them.

Each of the "big countries" have only one purpose: keep their status of "super powers" at any cost. And the only issue that Putin has: NATO is playing too close to his playground. (And thinking at that level, I can understand both and all countries)

Bring Free Energy and consciousness into the mix and this speech and "power posturing" becomes utterly irrelevant. But Putin stayed away from any relevant problems or solutions.

My personal conclusion: not only that the NWO was not exposed, but things proceed according to plan: divide and conquer, create wars, make treats, make everybody feel insecure, polarize the world. Create a "savior" image in Russia and a "tyrant rising to power" in USA and then send young men and women to kill each other. (Oh, and this does not absolve US form their stealing of resources from wherever they can).

[Tyy1907]

He did make a comment about the movie Star Wars and how technologically we're there now. I thought that was interesting. To me his speech shed light on the fact that there are people running certain countries that simply don't have the true interests of humanity at heart. And that these tyrants have unimaginable tech to boot. No he didn't spill the whole bucket by any stretch, but at least he called out some of the key players and strategies. What have other country leaders done?

[Ilie Pandia]

I think the Star war reference is to a military project and not the movie:

http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/coldwar/page20.shtml

Though would be cool to have some Jedi knights around. :)

If I do a search I am likely to find a similar speech by Obama and others that see them selves as saviors of the poor countries while pointing a finger at those that dare compete for the oil in those said countries.

Putin could have at least put a name on the American companies that mine 26% of Russia's oil. But he did not go there either.

Bottom line is this: everybody knows their country runs on energy. You need energy to run your country, to defend it and to industrialize it. Since Zero Point energy was not considered, everybody knows that fossil fuel is on its way out. They look at the dimishing reserves and reach the logical conclusion: the war for resources will break out so we better position ourselves to win it! This war is in fact going on for some time now, but only recently the real reasons become more and more obvious and the players more and more darring. China is another large country that faces similar prospects.

Just think what would most people do when they realize there is not enough food to feed everyone? What do the powerful big ones do? How about the weak small ones?

They get ready for conflict and they want to make sure they are not flanked and caught on the wrong foot! If they can use the little ones as shield all the better.

[DeDukshyn]

Russia has huge reserves of LNG. Putin is just waiting for oilsands extraction to be too controversial or expensive (which it is expensive to ship to China from Canada or the US) to be one of the worlds larger producers of fossil fuel energies. Canada has now donned an uglier mask in a similar light, but is exhausting crude reserves before relying on LNG.

Ilie, I 100% agree with you that Putin is just vying for a major part of the control factor, he is just doing a better marketing job than the US ever could.

I watched on "Dragons Den" once (think Shark Tank) - where a guy sold his electricity amperage doubling device to one of the multi-millionaire "dragons". He said he owned majority of stocks in Canadian energy corporations and that this invention would come in handy -- to create more profits and less work for electricity companies. The tech is out there ... it always seems to be getting into the wrong hands though ....

[amor]

I did not miss the remark about foreign investment money in Russia and no Russian foreign investments outside of Russia. I believe a lot of the Rothschild money which has been made churning up wars for which they have made loans is invested in mining, etc., in Russia and other countries. Mr. Putin is correct in his remarks about weapon treaties with the U.S. while other countries then engage in making the same weapons they destroyed. I would say to Mr. Putin, "Do something positive for the human race and do not allow Israel and their provocateurs incite Russia into WWIII. A dead planet will profit no one.

[linksplatinum]

This is the grand game of chess. To whom, does, or will this benefit in the long run? Out of the leaders of the world, Putin has been trying to break the cabal down systematically where it counts, which I feel that he has his best interests in mind for the planet, and humanity. Now that the alliance is up to somewhere in the neighborhood of 177 nations and counting, things will be carefully utilized to abandon the old way of operations which will break the "crooked bankers" who have done nothing but travel down the negative path, and strictly performed "service to self" for capital gain through manipulation, lies, murder, land grabs etc...what laws haven't they broken? (that isn't a rhetorical question) There is no way out for those who have chosen this to be their path. They will denigrate, and wither away, and will pay for their crimes in this life, or be consumed into nothingness, and recycled through Source.

[BlueMuffin]

Vladimir Putin did not expose anything in this video (and I've watched all 4 parts).

He only made (not so) veiled threats against the US and NATO forces.

The basic message is this: "USA, you are no longer allowed to steal the resources for yourself, now Russia is back in the game and we will get our share!".

Russia wants to reserve their right to interfere on the global politics as they please and of course they do not like the USA bullying others, but not because they care about the victim countries. :)

Did he mention ETs? - No.

Did he mention Free Energy? - No.

Did he mention research into so called paranormal and consciousness? - No.

Did he expose anything.. well no, not really. He is just saying: back off! we're on the playground too!

Does this really help any of the "under-developed" nations? No, but he says that yes. And the logic behind it is that if Russia does not oppose the USA then we will all be slaves under the USA rule. But this is just another excuse for amassing more power.

I think he is correct about the USA's tactics, but he would do just the same :). This was uploaded in Dec. 2011... what is Putin doing today? Following the USAs model? By their fruits you shall now them.

Each of the "big countries" have only one purpose: keep their status of "super powers" at any cost. And the only issue that Putin has: NATO is playing too close to his playground. (And thinking at that level, I can understand both and all countries)

Bring Free Energy and consciousness into the mix and this speech and "power posturing" becomes utterly irrelevant. But Putin stayed away from any relevant problems or solutions.

My personal conclusion: not only that the NWO was not exposed, but things proceed according to plan: divide and conquer, create wars, make treats, make everybody feel insecure, polarize the world. Create a "savior" image in Russia and a "tyrant rising to power" in USA and then send young men and women to kill each other. (Oh, and this does not absolve US form their stealing of resources from wherever they can).

BAM!

This really hits it... I can't tell you how tired I am about this whole Putin is the good-guy BRICS Vs. The West scenario. It's all nonsense and doesn't take but a few minutes of critical thinking as to why it's ridiculous.

[Sunny-side-up]

What I mainly got from the vid's is:
He didn't actually say 'NWO' but he said something like 'Single Governance' (not his actual wording, sorry) and that such a 'One World Rule' would be noting other than a
'DEAD END'!
and that assessment could be interpreted in a few ways ha!

9Sorry not used actual names he used, would have to watch them again!

[Cidersomerset]

Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine…

Thursday 28th August 2014 at 06:02 By david-icke

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‘A letter sent by a prominent Dutch Professor to Russian president Vladimir Putin
has attracted much media attention in Europe. The letter was written by Professor
Cees Hamelink and signed by dozens of Dutch intellectuals and professors. Below is
the letter in its entirety.’



Dear Mr. President Putin,

Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands
for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame
you and your country.

We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led by the United
States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else. We
reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West. In our societies,
sufficient evidence is required for a conviction. The way you and your Nation are
convicted for 'crimes' without evidence, is ruthless and despicable.

You have saved us from a conflict in Syria that could have escalated into a World War.
The mass killing of innocent Syrian civilians through gassing by ‘Al-­?Qaeda’ terrorists,
trained and armed by the US and paid for by Saudi Arabia, was blamed on Assad. In
doing so, the West hoped public opinion would turn against Assad, paving the way for
an attack on Syria.

Not long after this, Western forces have built up, trained and armed an ‘opposition’ in
the Ukraine, to prepare a coup against the legitimate Government in Kiev. The
putschists taking over were quickly recognized by Western Governments. They were
provided with loans from our tax money to prop their new Government up.

The people of the Crimea did not agree with this and showed this with peaceful
demonstrations. Anonymous snipers and violence by Ukrainian troops turned these
demonstrations into demands for independence from Kiev. Whether you support these
separatist movements is immaterial, considering the blatant Imperialism of the West.

Russia is wrongly accused, without evidence or investigation, of delivering the weapons
systems that allegedly brought down MH17. For this reason Western Governments claim
they have a right to economically pressure Russia.

We, awake citizens of the West, who see the lies and machinations of our Governments,
wish to offer you our apologies for what is done in our name.
It’s unfortunately true, that our media have lost all independence and are just
mouthpieces for the Powers that Be. Because of this, Western people tend to have a
warped view of reality and are unable to hold their politicians to account.

Our hopes are focused on your wisdom. We want Peace. We see that Western
Governments do not serve the people but are working towards a New World Order. The
destruction of sovereign nations and the killing of millions of innocent people is,
seemingly, a price worth paying for them, to achieve this goal.

We, the people of the Netherlands, want Peace and Justice, also for and with Russia.
We hope to make clear that the Dutch Government speaks for itself only. We pray our
efforts will help to diffuse the rising tensions between our Nations.

Sincerely,

Professor Cees Hamelink




http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/

[Flash]

wow interesting

This is the continuation of an open letter from Albert Einstein, in 1947, to the United Nations - he foresaw what is keeping on happening today - he wanted to incude Russia in the protection of humanity.


United Nations World New York, October 1947, pp. 13-14 Open Letter
TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE UNITED NATIONS

By Albert Einstein

As I see it, this is the way for the nations of the world to break the vicious circle which threatens the continued existence of mankind, as no other situation in human history has ever done.

We are caught in a situation in which every citizen of every country, his children, and his life s work, are threatened by the terrible insecurity which reigns in our world today. The progress of technological development has not increased the stability and the welfare of humanity. Because of our inability to solve the problem of international organization, it has actually contributed to the dangers which threaten peace and the very existence of mankind.

The delegates of fifty-five Governments, meeting in the second General Assembly of the United Nations, undoubtedly will be aware of the fact that during the last two years - since the victory over the Axis powers - no appreciable progress has been made either toward the prevention of war or toward agreement in specific fields such as control of atomic energy and economic cooperation in the reconstruction of war-devastated areas.

The United Nations cannot be blamed for these failures. No international organization can be stronger than the constitutional powers given it, or than its component parts want it to be. As a matter of fact, the United Nations is an extremely important and useful institution provided the peoples and Governments of the world realize that it is merely a transitional system toward the final goal, which is the establishment of a supranational authority vested with sufficient legislative and executive powers to keep the peace. The present impact lies in the fact that there is no sufficient, reliable supra-national authority. Thus the responsible leaders of all Governments are obliged to act on the assumption of eventual war. Every step motivated by that assumption contributes to the general fear and distrust and hastens the final catastrophe. However, strong national armaments may be they do not create military security for any nation nor do they guarantee the maintenance of peace.

There can never be complete agreement on international control and the administration of atomic energy or on general disarmament until there is a modification of the traditional concept of national sovereignty. For as long as atomic energy and armaments are considered a vital part of national security no nation will give more than lip service to international treaties. Security is indivisible. It can be reached only when necessary guarantees of law and enforcement obtain everywhere, so that military security is no longer the problem of any single state. There is no compromise possible between preparation for war, on the one hand, and preparation of a world society based on law and order on the other.

Every citizen must make up his mind. If he accepts the premise of war, he must reconcile himself to the maintenance of troops in strategic areas like Austria and Korea; to the sending of troops to Greece and Bulgaria; to the accumulation of stockpiles of uranium by whatever means; to universal military training, to the progressive limitation of civil liberties. Above all, he must endure the consequences of military secrecy which is one of the worst scourges of our time and one of the greatest obstacles to cultural betterment.

If on the other hand every citizen realizes that the only guarantee for security and peace in this atomic age is the constant development of a supra-national government, then he will do everything in his power to strengthen the United Nations. It seems to me that every reasonable and responsible citizen in the world must know where his choice lies.

Yet the world at large finds itself in a vicious circle since the United Nations powers seem to be incapable of making up their minds on this score. The Eastern and Western blocs each attempt frantically to strengthen their respective power positions. Universal military training, Russian troops in Eastern Europe, United States control over the Pacific Islands, even the stiffening colonial policies of the Netherlands, Great Britain and France, atomic and military secrecy - are all part of the old familiar jockeying for position.

THE TIME has come for the United Nations to strengthen its moral authority by bold decisions. First, the authority of the General Assembly must be increased so that the Security Council as well as all other bodies of the United Nations will be subordinated to it. As long as there is a conflict of authority between the Assembly and the Security Council, the effectiveness of the whole institution will remain necessarily impaired.

Second, the method of representation at the United Nations should be considerably modified. The present method of selection by government appointment does not leave any real freedom to the appointee. Furthermore, selection by governments cannot give the peoples of the world the feeling of being fairly and proportionately represented. The moral authority of the United Nations would be considerable enhanced if the delegates were elected directly by the people. Were they responsible to an electorate, they would have much more freedom to follow their consciences. Thus we could hope for more statesmen and fewer diplomats.

Third, the General Assembly should remain in session throughout the critical period of transition. By staying constantly on the job, the Assembly could fulfill two major tasks: first it could take the initiative toward the establishment of a supra-national order; second, it could take quick and effective steps in all those danger areas (such as currently exist on the Greek border) where peace is threatened.

The Assembly, in view of these high tasks, should not delegate its powers to the Security Council, especially while that body is paralysed by the shortcomings of the veto provisions. As the only body competent to take the initiative boldly and resolutely, the United Nations must act with utmost speed to create the necessary conditions for international security by laying the foundations for a real world government.

OF COURSE there will be opposition. It is by no means certain that the USSR - which is often represented as the main antagonist to the idea of world Government - would maintain its opposition if an equitable offer providing for real security were made. Even assuming that Russia is now opposed to the idea of world Government, once she becomes convinced that world government is nonetheless in the making her whole attitude may change. She may then insist on only the necessary guarantees of equality before the law so as to avoid finding herself in perennial minority as in the present Security Council.

Nevertheless, we must assume that despite all efforts Russia and her allies may still find it advisable to stay out of such a world Government. In that case, and only after all efforts have been made in utmost sincerity to obtain the cooperation of Russia and her allies - the other countries would have to proceed alone. It is of the utmost importance that this partial world Government be very strong, comprising at least two-thirds of the major industrial and economic areas of the world. Such strength in itself would make it possible for the partial world Government to abandon military secrecy and all the other practices born of insecurity.

Such a partial world Government should make it clear from the beginning that its doors remain wide open to any non-member - particularly Russia - for participation on the basis of complete equality. In my opinion, the partial world Government should accept the presence of observers from non-member governments at all its meetings and constitutional conventions.

IN ORDER to achieve the final aim - which is one world, and not two hostile worlds - such a partial world Government must never act as an alliance against the rest of the world. The only real step toward world government is world Government itself.

In a world Government the ideological differences between the various component parts are of no grave consequence. I am convinced that the present difficulties between the USA and the USSR are not due primarily to ideological differences. Of course, these ideological differences are a contributing element in an already serious tension. But I am convinced that even if the USA and Russia were both capitalist countries - or communist, or monarchist, for that matter - their rivalries, conflicting interests and jealousies would result in strains similar to those existing between the two countries today.

The United Nations now and world Government eventually must serve one single goal the guarantee of the security, tranquillity, and the welfare of all mankind.

signed by A. Einstein

Note added

Further reading with reference to the above letter see Gerald Holton: Thematic Origins of Scientific Thought - Kepler to Einstein, Revised Edition, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts 1988.

[rgray222]

The truth is no one really knows who brought down the Malaysian Passenger Jet except a small handful of people. The media is forcing people (as they do everyday) to choose sides in this mess. Without the facts I don't think it is sincere to condemn or condone Russia for the Jetliner incident. That said, the one thing that is known for sure is that Putin has stated several times that the worst thing to happen to Russia was the demise of the Soviet Union (Russian Empire). We do know that Putin is attempting to Empire build once again. This aggressive and illegal behavior should not be condoned by governments or any group of "intellectuals".

[Carmody]

The truth is no one really knows who brought down the Malaysian Passenger Jet except a small handful of people. The media is forcing people (as they do everyday) to choose sides in this mess. Without the facts I don't think it is sincere to condemn or condone Russia for the Jetliner incident. That said, the one thing that is known for sure is that Putin has stated several times that the worst thing to happen to Russia was the demise of the Soviet Union (Russian Empire). We do know that Putin is attempting to Empire build once again. This aggressive and illegal behavior should not be condoned by governments or any group of "intellectuals".


If the government speaks lies then it is up to someone to counter that.

In such a case, which is what we have now, I bow to the educated man (clarification - article, not rgray, or both -to be polite, not contrary) who speaks his piece openly, as this man has.

It's very simple:

If not now, then - when?
If not you, then - who?

That has always been the core issue, in 100% of all these instances.

As for Putin and empire building, all we have is the word of someone and some group who has a deep history of telling lies, lies that kill millions in the name of more lies.

[ghostrider]

Ironic , America has become the very thing it fought to keep other countries from becoming ... lands of tyranny ...

[andrewgreen]

Ironic , America has become the very thing it fought to keep other countries from becoming ... lands of tyranny ...

Did they really fight to keep other countries becoming lands of tyranny or just for the self interest of its ruleers under the guise of 'democracy'.

[ghostrider]

Ironic , America has become the very thing it fought to keep other countries from becoming ... lands of tyranny ...

Did they really fight to keep other countries becoming lands of tyranny or just for the self interest of its ruleers under the guise of 'democracy'. they used the phrase freedom and democracy to sway public opinion and gain support to step up the agenda of world domination ... total control over everything is the endgame ... no matter how they get there , they want it all , like so many before they seal their own fate when their own actions will come back to them , cause and effect ... they will reap what they sow ...

[ktlight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVUfuNKY9wk

"Published on 1 Sep 2014
http://www.undergroundworldnews.com

Vladimir Putin has told European leaders that his forces could sweep into Kiev in two weeks if he wanted.

The Russian president reportedly made the threat to the European Commission president during talks on the Ukraine crisis.

Mr Putin told Jose Manuel Barroso: “If I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks,” Italy’s La Repubblica newspaper reported, implying this could be the result if the EU stepped up sanctions against Russia.

His comments, relayed by Mr Barroso to colleagues at last weekend’s EU summit, emerged as Nato announced it would build a new “spearhead” rapid reaction force of up to 4,000 troops that can be flown into eastern Europe in 48 hours to respond to possible Russian aggression. "

[Agape]

Send him some apples, free of cost, settle it . The situation is overboiling on all fronts , the last thing we really need is more wars, more crimes, more weapons .
Destroy all the weapons if you feel so aggressive that you have to kill someone , be it Ukrainian , Palestinian or your new Nigerian neighbour making much noise ,
is my simple answer to this worlds big problems . Ban all the weapons, and send your armies to work on the fields, it will boost your economics tremendously and feed multitudes .

Take it one by one , chew the weapons to pieces , all of you and bring this world back to Peace . We can live in Peace you know ,
it's the only way how we can live anyway . Stop threatening everyone with your military parades and weapons,
honorific battlefields where thousands of people killed each other .

This planet is hosting life , it's allegedly hosting even 'intelligent life' , why are you killing it .





:cantina:

[gardener2]

I am sure every human being must want peace, it's a wonderful dream. I seem to remember a speech which I think it was Ronald Reagan who said that the only thing that would bring humanity together would be if the alien's came here and tried to take our planet from us, everyone would put their belief system's aside and we would be as one. what do you think?

[Xanth]

Yes that's one side of the story ... here's the other ...

Moscow ready to expose 'Kiev in two weeks' spin with Barroso call transcript

Published time: September 02, 2014 15:43 Get short URL
President Vladimir Putin.(RIA Novosti / Alexei Druzhinin)President Vladimir Putin.(RIA Novosti / Alexei Druzhinin)
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Vladimir Putin’s remark about “taking Kiev in two weeks” was taken out of context and its meaning was distorted, Moscow said, adding that it’s ready to publish the president’s conversation with the European Commission head.

Moscow may reveal the full recording of the controversial phone call if European Commission president, Jose Manual Barroso, doesn’t object in the next two days, Russia's permanent representative to the EU, Vladimir Chizhov, said.

La Repubblica newspaper earlier reported that outgoing European Commission president, Jose Manual Barroso, disclosed the content of his telephone conversation with the Russian president before the EU summit, which took place in Berlin at the weekend.

According to the Italian daily, Barroso quoted Putin as saying: “If I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks” after the issue of the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine was raised.

The EU official said that it was a “threat” by the head of the Russian state, which may be fulfilled in case of further European sanctions against Russia.

Presidential aide, Yury Ushakov, stressed that whether these words concerning Russian troops taking Kiev were pronounced by Putin or not, “this quote was taken out of context and had a very different meaning.”

Ushakov slammed Barroso for even sharing the details of a high-level phone call, saying that the EU Commission president’s behavior is “incorrect and goes beyond the bounds of diplomatic practices.”

“If that was really done, it is not worthy of a serious political figure,” he added.

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.(AFP Photo / Odd Andersen)European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.(AFP Photo / Odd Andersen)

Barroso, who has headed the European Commission since 2004, will be replaced at the helm of the EU’s executive branch by Luxembourg's former prime minister, Jean-Claude Juncker.

READ MORE: Putin reveals NATO chief secretly recorded their talk, leaked it to media

Relations between Russia and Western countries have deteriorated over the situation in Ukraine.

Moscow is being accused of escalating the conflict by supporting the rebel forces in Ukraine’s southeastern Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

The allegations, repeatedly denied by the Russian side, have never been backed up with any proof.

In late August, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko sounded the alarm over the presence of Russian troops in the country.

Moscow refuted his claims, with OSCE observers saying that they had not seen any Russian military presence around the Ukrainian border.

The EU and the US have already imposed sanctions against dozens of senior Russian officials, companies and banks.

Russia responded by banning imported agricultural products from the US, EU, Norway, Canada, and Australia.

The one-year embargo introduced on August 7 applies to meat, pork, fish, fruits, vegetables and dairy products.

[Hervé]

Kremlin: 'Barroso Quoting Putin 'Taking Kiev' Taken Out of Context' (http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140902/192553445/Kremlin-Barroso-Quoting-Putin-Taking-Kiev-Taken-Out-of-Context.html)


http://en.ria.ru/images/18117/05/181170546.jpg (http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140902/192553445/Kremlin-Barroso-Quoting-Putin-Taking-Kiev-Taken-Out-of-Context.html)
Presidential Aide Yuri Ushakov said Vladimir Putin’s apparent ability “to take Kiev in two weeks” was taken out of context © RIA Novosti. Alexei Nikolskiy (http://en.rian.ru/)



11:36 02/09/2014 Updated on 01:05 p.m. Moscow Time

MOSCOW, September 2 (RIA Novosti) – A quote about Russian President Vladimir Putin’s apparent ability “to take Kiev in two weeks,” by European Commission President Jose Manual Barroso earlier in the week, was taken out of context and had a completely different meaning, presidential aide Yuri Ushakov said Tuesday.

“This is incorrect, this goes beyond the framework of diplomatic practice. This is unbecoming of a serious political figure,” Ushakov said, referring to Barroso’s comment.

Earlier this week, Italian newspaper La Repubblica reported that after Barroso’s telephone conversation with Putin, the European Commission president claimed that the Russian leader said he could take Ukraine in two weeks.

The Kremlin later responded that Putin’s words were misinterpreted and had completely different meaning.

As the Ukrainian crisis escalated, the West continued accusing Russia of meddling in Ukraine’s internal affairs, sending troops to Ukraine, and went as far as to claim that Moscow planned to invade Ukraine. However, none of these statements (http://en.ria.ru/politics/20140831/192509151.html) were supported with any evidence.

Moscow, on the contrary, has repeatedly stated that it is not involved in Ukraine's internal conflict (http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140901/192522571.html), and said that the crisis could only be resolved through a comprehensive political dialogue.

Kiev’s actions escalated the situation in southeastern Ukraine. Since the country's authorities launched a military operation to suppress independence supporters who refused to recognize the legitimacy of a new government, almost 2,600 people have died in the affected regions, with more than 6,000 injured.

See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=871940&viewfull=1#post871940) (<---) also.

[Pweeky]

Well, Barroso is not exactly known for being serious..

[Observer1964]

I am sure every human being must want peace, it's a wonderful dream. I seem to remember a speech which I think it was Ronald Reagan who said that the only thing that would bring humanity together would be if the alien's came here and tried to take our planet from us, everyone would put their belief system's aside and we would be as one. what do you think?

I think aliens are in the process of stealing our planet by manipulating us into warring with each other, and most ppl dont see it becoz of their beliefsystem.

But if they would come like in the movie independence day we might start working together...
But I dont think aliens would do something stupid like that.

Probably they would do things like 'giving guns to little children' and stand back until all bullets are fired.

[naste.de.lumina]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-g95esto7bjI/UotDkTPYcGI/AAAAAAAAAP4/ERA6_BSjOIo/s1600/Dur%C3%A3o+Barroso+3.jpg

[rgray222]

All the officials defending Putin are saying his words were taken out of context but they are not explaining what context Putin had in mind. Does anyone know?

[ktlight]

I am sure every human being must want peace, it's a wonderful dream. I seem to remember a speech which I think it was Ronald Reagan who said that the only thing that would bring humanity together would be if the alien's came here and tried to take our planet from us, everyone would put their belief system's aside and we would be as one. what do you think?

I think Reagan meant that aliens would become the new enemy, not that it would bring peace.

[Observer1964]

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And Yet i ask you, is not an alien force allready among us...

[ktlight]

And Yet i ask you, is not an alien force allready among us...

Well, for certain, that human history is one war after another, is very alien to me. And yet not alien, in that this is what is happening on the ground. Will that mean I am alien because I find this behaviour totally alien to me.

[Hogswitch]

My gut tells me this was taken out of context and hyped as a "threat" by those interested in escalating the conflict in Ukraine. I reckon this was most likely part of a response to somebody suggesting that Putin's intention was to take the whole of Ukraine. He's pointing out that IF that was his intention he could already have done it easily, which is of course true. So not a threat but in fact a refutation of the idea that a full scale invasion is his intention.
Hog.

[spizella]

Patriarch Filaret heads the Kiev Patriarchate, a branch of the Orthodox Church that broke away from Moscow in 1992 after the fall of the Soviet Union and the declaration of an independent Ukraine.

His church, a rival of the Moscow Patriarchate which is closely linked to Putin, strongly supports Ukrainian nationhood and the Kiev government's struggle to defeat pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine.

"With great regret I must now say publicly that among the rulers of this world ... there has appeared a new Cain, not by his name but by his deeds," Patriarch Filaret said, invoking the Biblical character who killed his brother Abel.

"Like the first fratricide of history Cain, these deeds show that the afore-mentioned ruler has fallen under the action of Satan," he said in the statement, published on the patriarchate's website in Ukrainian, Russian and English. (here)

The statement, entitled "New Cain", was released on the first full day of a ceasefire between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russian rebels. At least 2,600 people have died in fighting in eastern Ukraine since it erupted in April.

Putin is a baptized Orthodox Christian and has forged close ties with Russia's Orthodox Church, seeing it as a valuable ally in his battle with what he sees as a decadent Western world.

Filaret, who recently took over the Kiev patriarchate, said Putin had deliberately stoked the conflict in Ukraine by sending mercenaries, troops and weapons across the border and had spread lies via Russia's mass media about what was really happening.

Putin denies sending Russian troops into Ukraine or arming the separatists, despite what Kiev and its Western backers say is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

"This ruler is cynically lying, saying his country is not a party to the conflict in Ukraine, though he did everything in order to foment the conflict and maintain it," said Filaret.

"He calls himself a brother to the Ukrainian people, but in fact according to his deeds, he has really become the new Cain, shedding the brotherly blood and entangling the whole world with lies," Filaret said.

Filaret urged the Orthodox faithful to pray that Putin would "come to his senses". Otherwise, the patriarch added, he would face "an ignominious end and eternal damnation in hell".

Source:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/06/us-ukraine-crisis-patriarch-putin-idUSKBN0H10F920140906

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:

If the Patriarch Filaret who heads the Kiev Patriarchate thinks that Putin is "Cane" or "Satin". Not sure how Cane can be compared to Satin?
BUT what would Patriarch Filaret say about these other leaders in the world who have done far more deeds of death and destruction than Putin?
Since Ukraine owes Russia Billions of dollars for oil and gas and don't have any money to pay maybe Russia is keeping Crimea as payment for debts unpaid while protecting Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
When winter comes and Ukraine has no money to pay Russia for oil and gas what then?
The world is getting really interesting really fast!
Are we going to send Ukraine ship loads of oil and gas for free from the rest of the world so people don't freeze?
Even the European Union buys the majority of their petroleum products from Russia.
Are they going to stop buying from Russia and Freeze? I personally don't think so.
Before religion and state come together maybe Patriarch Filaret should wonder how he is going to keep warm this cold winter coming up by calling Putin "Cane and Satin " when that's where the products to keep warm will come from in Ukraine. I was taught that you don't cut off the hand that feeds you and in this case keeps you warm......

chancy

[linksplatinum]

Hello Everyone:

If the Patriarch Filaret who heads the Kiev Patriarchate thinks that Putin is "Cane" or "Satin". Not sure how Cane can be compared to Satin?
BUT what would Patriarch Filaret say about these other leaders in the world who have done far more deeds of death and destruction than Putin?
Since Ukraine owes Russia Billions of dollars for oil and gas and don't have any money to pay maybe Russia is keeping Crimea as payment for debts unpaid while protecting Russian speaking people in Ukraine.
When winter comes and Ukraine has no money to pay Russia for oil and gas what then?
The world is getting really interesting really fast!
Are we going to send Ukraine ship loads of oil and gas for free from the rest of the world so people don't freeze?
Even the European Union buys the majority of their petroleum products from Russia.
Are they going to stop buying from Russia and Freeze? I personally don't think so.
Before religion and state come together maybe Patriarch Filaret should wonder how he is going to keep warm this cold winter coming up by calling Putin "Cane and Satin " when that's where the products to keep warm will come from in Ukraine. I was taught that you don't cut off the hand that feeds you and in this case keeps you warm......

chancy


Good call chancy, and look at where this nonsense story stemmed from. There's going to be a lot of shills, memes, and disinfo for the oligarchy to try in desperation to keep their agenda of lies afloat. To bad that their boat has already sunk though. This article is laughable, and I'm not surprised that they've stooped so low...

[grannyfranny100]

Why do these religious types such as Patriarch Filaret always create political tension and wars? This has been going on for generations world wide.

[Cardillac]

if my read sources are correct the Russian Administration (labeled "Putin") has sent no troops whatsoever into the Ukraine; they're letting the Ukrainians act/revolt against their own western-established puppet gov't, albeit the rebels probably have financing from Russia;

'Putin' (otherwise known as the Russian Administration) is too clever to take the bait;

I think this is a double war; the Ukraine is the bread basket of Europe ("if you control oil you can control nations; if you control food you can control people"- Henry Kissinger) plus the Ukraine is the west's gateway to Russia, the leader of the BRICSA financial mov't which is by-passing the US dollar in international trade (it's always about money, isn't it?)-

Larry

[spizella]

Seams to me that PTB are using MSM and cover up operations to keep their agenda active.
Let's hope that they won't succeed :)

[Joe Akulis]

People still use that phrase? "eternal damnation in hell" Really? Me and this patriarch need to have a talk...

[jackovesk]

Vladimir Putin on Western Propaganda and Media Lies

President of Russia Vladimir Putin on ((Western Propaganda and Media Lies)). Press-conference about Georgia war in 2008, 14.09.2008.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u_GrfkHxMA

PS - History always REPEATS...:yes4:

[linksplatinum]

Dear President Putin and Russian People,

DearPutin.com

Please accept our apologies for the behavior of our Governments and Media. Western Nations, led by the United States, seem determined to start a war with Russia. A sane person would recognize the terrible consequences of such a war and would do everything in their power to avoid it. In fact it appears that this is exactly what you are doing. In the face of an endless stream of lies and provocations you have managed to keep Russia from being drawn into a nuclear war.1, 2

Events surrounding the war in Ukraine are twisted to represent you as an aggressor when the facts clearly show otherwise. Neo-Nazi gangs commit atrocities against the citizens of Novorussia on a daily basis and they receive political and financial support from Western governments. The Ukrainian army has attacked Russian checkpoints and towns and regularly bombs refugees attempting to flee the country. Russia was blamed for the destruction of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17, even though the evidence suggests that the flight was shot down by the Ukrainian army. You offer humanitarian aid to the people of Luhansk and you are accused of smuggling weapons into Ukraine.3

Why are you the target of these lies and provocations?The pathological criminals of the West are pushing for war with Russia because they need an external enemy. As long as the people are focused on “Russian aggression” they remain unaware of those truly responsible for the decline of the American economy and social system. In Europe, with its history of brutal wars sparked by arrogance and greed, European leaders have undergone a complete moral collapse and have naively fallen into line behind the USA’s policy of imperial aggression. The last great president of the United States, John F Kennedy, described our common enemy in 1961:

We are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence–on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day.



It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations… Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed.4

Since that time the government of the United States and other Western nations have been infiltrated by this “ruthless conspiracy”. While it is not necessarily unified we believe that its leaders think and act without the burden of a normal human conscience. This is why they are willing to sacrifice the lives of millions or billions of people. They supply Israel with weapons that are used for the wholesale slaughter of thousands of Palestinians. They militarize police in places like Ferguson, MO to protect and strengthen their power over the people. They lie to start wars that take the lives of millions of people to increase their political power. They are despicable.5, 6

Like JFK, you have a military background, so you are bound by a sense of duty to protect and serve the people of Russia. It appears that like him you recognized the madness of nuclear war and have turned towards peace.7 You refuse to endorse the American empire and you are working to undermine its power without engaging in direct military conflict. Instead Russia has developed closer relationships with many countries through organizations like BRICS, has forgiven old debts and worked with its partners to meet goals that serve the interests of the people. The idea of international partnerships has been called a multipolar approach and it contrasts sharply with the unipolar, imperialist policies of the US where all countries’ resources are controlled to benefit a powerful few–and at the expense of We the People.

We reject the greed, hatred and lust for power displayed by our “leaders”. We are outraged and horrified by the killing of millions of innocent people in the name of freedom and self defense. We want peace and justice for all people. We want a real and lasting peace, the kind of peace that JFK once spoke of:

What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children–not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women–not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.8

True peace and justice are impossible as long as the “ruthless conspiracy” rules the United States and other nations from the shadows. We pray that through our mutual efforts we may defeat the power-hungry and ruthless criminals who seek to enslave us all. We pray that we may instead foster a genuine peace that makes life on Earth worth living.

Sincerely,

elena wroblevski – Switzerland
Vaclav Suk – Czech Republic
Vauhti Pipo – Finland
Majella Blijdenstijn – Netherlands
Раиса Сушкова – Latvia
Mina Movaghar Fusade – France
Dino Geko – Bosnia and Herzegovina
Oleg Ganol – Russia
Юрий Горелов – Russia
Martijn Edwin Krom-Bouman-Crom – Netherlands
Sulejman Tabaković – Croatia
Korpi Pottunen – Antarctica
Timo Hisey – Finland
Nicolas Cage – United States
Zoran Ristic – Australia
Егор Воробьев – Hungary
Guerreira da Luz – Netherlands
Pena Pulkki – Finland
Diana Zinnatshina – Russia
Sauna Putin fan – Zimbabwe
Dmitrij Krapiva – Ukraine
Vladimir nikitenkov – Latvia
Ivan Pronin – Russia
Ville Bäckman – Russia
>Sananvapaus >Venäjä – Lebanon
So far 8420 people have signed the letter.

To sign petiton go to:   http://dearputin.com

[Blacklight43]

I added my signature to the list of over 10K so far.

[Cardillac]

"hope for the world will emerge from Russia" (paraphrase)- Edgar Cayce

let's hope for the best-

Larry

[Milneman]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/scumbag-putin-meme.jpg

[M0JFK]

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/scumbag-putin-meme.jpg

Looks like you buy into the propaganda Milneman. I think maybe your on the wrong site. You need to go on Fox or some other reactionary state propaganda BS spreading garbage site.

[Cardillac]

even though I am myself of the "other persuasion" (like start with term 'gay') I'm sick and tired of hearing about 'gay persecution'; there is anything BUT;

what most fairies/faggots/queens/gay-rights activists can't get through their THICK SKULLS (and thick they are) is that all of this is being controlled by a hidden hand and at some point it will back-fire/explode in their/our faces; I distance myself from all of this as I've seen the writing on the wall a long time ago;

in my own personal experience as long as one is discreet (otherwise known as 'normal'), doesn't "flame-out" (otherwise known as 'camp'- like no woman is/was ever as camp as "star-flaming queens") is completely honest but behaves like a 'natural' person, nobody blinks an eye whatsoever at a gay/lesbian person- the heterosexuals secure in their own sexuality could care less-

Larry

[Agape]

Looks like you buy into the propaganda Milneman. I think maybe your on the wrong site. You need to go on Fox or some other reactionary state propaganda BS spreading garbage site.

And which propaganda do you prefer, recently ... :haha:

[rgray222]

Looks like you buy into the propaganda Milneman. I think maybe your on the wrong site. You need to go on Fox or some other reactionary state propaganda BS spreading garbage site.

Disagreement and debate is healthy, taking a cheap shot is childish. I could think of no worse fate than to visit Avalon when everyone has the same point of view, the same likes and dislikes. The day this site goes all vanilla or all chocolate or any other "all" color in between is the day Avalon will cease to exist!

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Flash]

Putin is bisexual.

They all are at that level, it seems, throughout the planet (have you seen the thread on Michelle Obama?).

[Hogswitch]

Personally I find the sanctification of the dictator Putin just a tiny bit nauseating. I think he's as likely to **** us all in the ass as any other megalomaniac so called politician. As far as I can see the only "logical" reasons that people here like him are that a) He's not Obama and b) He's backed by a nicer group of aliens, well sod that for a game of soldiers, I don't trust any of them.

Hog.

[NancyV]

I love this letter and getting to see the signatures is a real bonus. Whenever I wonder if someone is totally ignorant by praising and supporting a former hard-line KGB agent who most definitely leans to the dark side, I'll just take a look at who signed the letter. Of course we all know that the KGB has always been a gentle and service oriented organization! The only thing I love about Putin is seeing him put Obama to shame and making him look like the sissy girl he really is.

I find it very amusing that some people hate the United States so much they're willing to accept and support an even worse devil than the ones they know here in the the US. The enemy of your enemy is absolutely NOT always (or often) your friend. I bet those of you who think Putin is a kind humanitarian also believe that Islamic jihadists are brave, courageous freedom fighters! Yeah, beheading their own kind is really just benevolent mercy killing I'm sure. LOL... Oh well, I know it is futile to attempt to counteract abysmal ignorance so I wouldn't waste my time giving it a serious try.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Tyy1907]

From what I've heard, Putin has been no angel in the pAst. That being said, it looks like the cabal are after him big time. His resources perhaps. Or since they're running out of time and Russia was a big one on the "to do list", they're cutting to the chase. My thoughts.

I'm just going to keep an open mind as far as Putin is concerned. I mean the planet is changing and who knows, maybe it will take someone like Putin to expose and put the last nail in the cabals coffin.

[Wind]

Putin isn't as moronic and evil as the other cabal people, but still he is a dictator who opposes them. Do we need dictators in the future? Well of course not.

[Cardillac]

@Buddha's Palm

"Putin is bisexual"- where's the proof?- although nothing would surprise me anymore..

@Flash

"They all are at that level, it seems, throughout the planet (have you seen the thread on Michelle Obama?)"- honey, I was the the one who initially started this thread(s) about Michelle Obama; not that I think I'm anything special but I do have an incredible snoop-dog nose for exposing lies-

be well-

Larry

[Isma]

I just wish that there is no war between Russia and the West. "In one documentary one Russian Ex Officer said: German people and Russian people should never allow to have a war against each other again as the price was too high and the mutual suffering countless. ... " I would like to extend that to all the whole planet.

[sigma6]

Awesome, thanks for this jacko, otherwise I would never have seen this... should put this in conspiracy, since it does involve Western MSM propaganda which is so anti conspiracy (as part of it's coordinated propaganda strategy...) I had no idea the level of sophistication of the attack... Putin is such a goddamned brilliant statesman... bloody brilliant!!

Reminds me of the famous David Wilcock, Camelot Project Interview where he outs the CIA having been caught with their pants down, when they found out how fast the Russians came in... he is so right, that is moral integrity... so right brother...

[giovonni]

interesting development
as Putin maneuvers into the new year of 2015

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/80063000/jpg/_80063996_rustroopsnewafp.jpg

Russia to hire more foreign troops in forces shake-up (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30682465)

[Mitm]

"hope for the world will emerge from Russia" (paraphrase)- Edgar Cayce

let's hope for the best-

Larry

I think this quote is about Anastasia and the Ringing Cedars/Ancestral Homestead movement

[giovonni]

Putin's Way

http://www.radiofree.org/us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/putins-way-trailer-frontline-youtube-thumb.jpg

"In "Putin's Way," airing Jan. 13,FRONTLINE investigates the accusations of criminality and corruption that have surrounded Vladimir Putin’s reign in Russia. Tracing his career back over two decades, "Putin's Way" reveals how the accumulation of wealth and power has led to autocratic rule. The film is a FRONTLINE production with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation" ...

Watch Here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/putins-way/?elq=54ec5c764ffa4f84a05f021511c205a0&elqCampaignId=1155)

[Observer1964]

"Putin's Way" reveals how the accumulation of wealth and power has led to autocratic rule.
I think i can think up a few other names that dwarf Putin's accumulations...

[giovonni]

"Putin's Way" reveals how the accumulation of wealth and power has led to autocratic rule.
I think i can think up a few other names that dwarf Putin's accumulations...

Perhaps, but they don't have their fingers on nuclear weapons.

[giovonni]

meanwhile ...

Transgender Driving Ban in Russia Explained

"A transgender driving ban is in effect in Russia after the Russian government announced that transgender people no longer qualify for driver’s licenses. The ban was fashioned as part of a crackdown on the mentally ill including sexual fetishists, gambling addicts, compulsive thieves and transvestites who have all been included on the driving ban list. The law is part of an attempt to curb the high rate of crashes and road fatalities in the country, which are among the worst in the world. We take a look at the ban, in this Lip News clip with Elliot Hill and Mark Sovel."

Published on Jan 14, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U9GjMR4sy0

[Flash]

I cannot believe it. The video is not available in my region for rights restrictions!!!!

For God sake, this production is done by CBC in Canada with my tax dollars, how come I would not have access to it?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Putin's Way

http://www.radiofree.org/us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/putins-way-trailer-frontline-youtube-thumb.jpg

"In "Putin's Way," airing Jan. 13,FRONTLINE investigates the accusations of criminality and corruption that have surrounded Vladimir Putin’s reign in Russia. Tracing his career back over two decades, "Putin's Way" reveals how the accumulation of wealth and power has led to autocratic rule. The film is a FRONTLINE production with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation" ...

Watch Here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/putins-way/?elq=54ec5c764ffa4f84a05f021511c205a0&elqCampaignId=1155)

In the above post I was referring to this production here

[giovonni]

I cannot believe it. The video is not available in my region for rights restrictions!!!!

For God sake, this production is done by CBC in Canada with my tax dollars, how come I would not have access to it?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Putin's Way

http://www.radiofree.org/us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/putins-way-trailer-frontline-youtube-thumb.jpg

"In "Putin's Way," airing Jan. 13,FRONTLINE investigates the accusations of criminality and corruption that have surrounded Vladimir Putin’s reign in Russia. Tracing his career back over two decades, "Putin's Way" reveals how the accumulation of wealth and power has led to autocratic rule. The film is a FRONTLINE production with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation" ...

Watch Here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/putins-way/?elq=54ec5c764ffa4f84a05f021511c205a0&elqCampaignId=1155)

In the above post I was referring to this production here

try this link ...

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365401766/

[Flash]

I cannot believe it. The video is not available in my region for rights restrictions!!!!

For God sake, this production is done by CBC in Canada with my tax dollars, how come I would not have access to it?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Putin's Way

http://www.radiofree.org/us/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/putins-way-trailer-frontline-youtube-thumb.jpg

"In "Putin's Way," airing Jan. 13,FRONTLINE investigates the accusations of criminality and corruption that have surrounded Vladimir Putin’s reign in Russia. Tracing his career back over two decades, "Putin's Way" reveals how the accumulation of wealth and power has led to autocratic rule. The film is a FRONTLINE production with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation" ...

Watch Here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/putins-way/?elq=54ec5c764ffa4f84a05f021511c205a0&elqCampaignId=1155)

In the above post I was referring to this production here

try this link ...

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365401766/

same thing - now i see why when i Google it: it is American a PBS program, not Canadian

[giovonni]

hmm ...

perhaps this is why it has been rumored Putin's (Russia)
has been hiring private combat mercenaries recruited
in the former Soviet Union states ...

Russian Soldiers Fear Being Sent to Ukraine

From Associated Press

"Fears arise among young Russian Army conscripts over being sent
to fight across the border in Ukraine." (Feb. 21 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YAn2VK_S_4

[Cidersomerset]

A post I put on another thread, I thought it was amusing..LOL


Spies Can Track You Just by Watching Your Phone’s Power Use

Saturday 21st February 2015 at 07:56 By David Icke


http://www.wired.com/wp-content/themes/wired/assets/images/post_wired_logo_150x60.gif

Spies Can Track You Just by Watching Your Phone’s Power Use
By Andy Greenberg
02.19.15 |
8:45 pm |
Permalink




http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/479978729-bw-660x440-587x391.jpg


‘Smartphone users might balk at letting a random app like Candy Crush
or Shazam track their every move via GPS. But researchers have found
that Android phones reveal information about your location to every app
on your device through a different, unlikely data leak: the phone’s power
consumption.

Researchers at Stanford University and Israel’s defense research group
Rafael have created a technique they call PowerSpy, which they say can
gather information about an Android phone’s geolocation merely by
tracking its power use over time. That data, unlike GPS or Wi-Fi location
tracking, is freely available to any installed app without a requirement to
ask the user’s permission.

That means it could represent a new method of stealthily determining a
user’s movements with as much as 90 percent accuracy—though for now
the method only really works when trying to differentiate between a
certain number of pre-measured routes.’

Read more: Spies Can Track You Just by Watching Your Phone’s Power Use

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/powerspy-phone-tracking/

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I must admit I'm not sure that Russian intelligence will be to pleased with this article...LOL

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Russian+intelligence+agency+s+emblem+looks+like+the+batman+symbol_87fbc8_4074569.jpeg

Vladimim admires Russian intel agency emblem , looks a bit like Batman cymbol..




" What do you mean Barak ? We are the good guys in this scandal ?
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/putin-cell-phone.jpg?

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Good job they do not know what I do in my spare time.....Hilary is up to
no good again !!


Russian spy agency targeting western diplomats FSB using psychological
techniques developed by KGB to intimidate and demoralise diplomatic staff,
activists and journalists

http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Admin/BkFill/Default_image_group/2011/9/23/1316789853359/Vladimir-Putin-007.jpg

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/23/russia-targeting-western-diplomats


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http://rt.com/static/img/static/logo.png

‘Unhackable’: Russian firm develops totally surveillance-proof smartphone

Saturday 21st February 2015 at 07:03 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/phones.si_-587x330.jpg


‘Russia is entering the post-Snowden world with style. Its own anti-surveillance
smartphone prototype, equipped with the latest in cutting-edge cybersecurity
and intended for corporate users, is currently being tested.

This is not Russia’s first foray into smartphones, with the dual-screen YotaPhone
making headlines recently with its second incarnation. However, the new project
will offer unparalleled, corporate-level security, when ready. The current version
is a prototype and any photos are kept in strict secret.’


Called the TaigaPhone, the phone will be manufactured by Taiga Systems, 99 percent
of which belongs to Natalya Kasperskaya, owner of the InfoWatch group. The device
will synergize with other tools provided by the company to its high-profile clients.

According to Izvestia daily, things like photos and work-related files, as well as phone
conversations and metadata will not “leak” without the user’s consent, according to
Taiga Systems co-owner Aleksey Nagorny.

“The device is entirely our own – the design, the schematics and circuitry. The phone
will be manufactured in China,” he said.

The company used Android’s base for the creation of its own Taiga operating system.
Inventing one from scratch was too costly and cumbersome.

But the system will also contain several levels of cyber defense, chief among them the
ability to completely disable or enable select parts of the system. Nagorny mentioned
the camera, as well as location services.


http://rt.com/files/news/39/0f/b0/00/yota.jpg
New YotaPhone 2 smartphone. (RIA Novosti / Ramil Sitdikov)


The phone can also be fashioned into a traditional “slab,” to allow only phone calls.
The most extreme version of this setting will enable the user to only see incoming
calls. And of course, no secure device would be complete without the ability to
switch off your microphone.

All of these settings will require one or two buttons maximum to operate.

What’s more, a signal will alert the user if anyone is trying to hack the microphone
or any other key features.

Symantec will cooperate with Taiga Systems on some of the more key security
capabilities. Many now know that switching off your phone does not disable the
GPS – that’s where Symantec comes in.

Other phones exist with similar capabilities, with the BlackPhone – an Android-based
solution from Europe - released four months ago. It boasts information encryption,
something the likes of whistleblowers Edward Snowden and Julian Assange have
been very vocal about.

READ MORE: 'Secret Santa for post-Snowden era': New app uses Tor-like encryption

Despite the obvious advantages of encryption, high-security devices still aren’t the
mainstream even in the corporate sector, for which the TaigaPhone was developed.
The situation today is such that standard phones are bought in most cases, with the
company installing various add-ons for its employees.

The price and arrival date are being kept under wraps.

According to Nagorny, the company is in talks to equip other makes with the Taiga system soon.


Read more: ‘Unhackable’: Russian firm develops totally surveillance-proof smartphone

http://www.wired.com/2015/02/powerspy-phone-tracking/

[giovonni]

Putin's 15 years: A presidential retrospective

From RT

"Fifteen years ago when Vladimir Putin came to power, Russia was in a dire state. He had a tough job to put it back on track. His supporters say he all but succeeded, although many remain critical of his methods. Murad Gazdiev looks back at the challenges Putin faced."

Published on May 7, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qQWss7AA9s

[Selkie]

I am well on my way to having a serious crush on Mr. Putin!

[ThePythonicCow]

I am well on my way to having a serious crush on Mr. Putin!

When you're successfully opposing the Neocon-Zionist-Bush-Clinton-Kissinger-CIA-NSA-London-WallStreet-Washington-whatever crime syndicate ... it's difficult to not look good.

[Calz]

I am well on my way to having a serious crush on Mr. Putin!

When you're successfully opposing the Neocon-Zionist-Bush-Clinton-Kissinger-CIA-NSA-London-WallStreet-Washington-whatever crime syndicate ... it's difficult to not look good.


When you're successfully (appearing to be) opposing the Neocon-Zionist-Bush-Clinton-Kissinger-CIA-NSA-London-WallStreet-Washington-whatever crime syndicate ... it's difficult to not look good.


Don't forget to remind members of the blog you brought forth Paul ... those that have taken the time to digest it have a ... clearer view ...

imho

http://redefininggod.com/


*adding*

Becoming rather clear that those that control the world care not for the illusion of nation states but rather move their pieces at will ...

not sure why that isn't obvious to most everyone by now ...

[Morbid]

according to Simon P, Russia is being supported by nordic et race again. just like during ww2.

[giovonni]

Putin on a Show ...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/09/09/287C4A6F00000578-0-image-a-2_1431158423504.jpg

Tanks rumble through Red Square as Russia stages biggest ever Victory Day military parade -
But Western leaders stay away (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3074519/Putin-Tanks-rumble-Red-Square-Russia-stages-biggest-Victory-Day-military-parade-Western-leaders-stay-away.html)

[giovonni]

#Victory70 Highlights: Moscow holds biggest ever military parade on Red Square

From RT

"Tanks, rocket launchers and thousands of troops from around the world were
out in force on Red Square in one of Russia's largest-ever parades."

Published on May 9, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhTZryQJY6c

[giovonni]

the latest ...

Putin addresses SPIEF 2015: 'Russia is open for the world'

(Full Speech)



Russian president Vladimir Putin speaks at the plenary session at St. Petersburg Economic Forum.
READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/spjiw4

Published on Jun 19, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKFjpZ1wLKI

[giovonni]

Patriot Park ...

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5898622.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Patriot-Park7.jpg

Russia unveils new military park for children (http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/europe/2015/06/russia-unveils-military-park-children-150617162137052.html)

related video ...

Putin's 'Military Disneyland': Where Tanks Replace Rollercoasters

Published on Jun 22, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEKXrCrPjHo

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

Jeff Rense & Joel Skousen - The Globalists & WW3

Clip from June 24, 2015 / Published on Jun 30, 2015



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFwgA1CoZqU&feature=em-uploademail

[giovonni]

Putin resurfaces kinda ... ;)

Vladimir Putin plunges into Black Sea in research submarine (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11810703/Vladimir-Putin-plunges-into-Black-Sea-in-research-submarine.html)


Related video ...

From AP /Published on Aug 18, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcN9oZ0Gp_I

[giovonni]

the latest ...

Gym & BBQ: Putin, Medvedev enjoy healthy Sunday in Sochi


Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev started
the last Sunday of summer with a morning gym workout together.

Published on Aug 30, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXmt16sg3Io

[giovonni]

Today at the UN ...

Russian President Putin's full address to United Nations



In his address to the United Nations General Assembly, Russian President Vladimir Putin called for an anti-terror
coalition that would involve the Syrian army in the fight against the Islamic State terrorism.

Published on Sep 28, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4UF0TGMBhs

[giovonni]

Could this be Mr Putin's finest hour ...

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/Putin-Cameron-Obama-619652.jpg

A Grand Bargain With Putin Against ISIS? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-kuttner/a-grand-bargain-with-putin-against-isis_b_8570252.html)

[giovonni]

http://i.ndtvimg.com/i/2015-11/russia-defence-ministry_650x400_51448187222.jpg

Vladimir Putin’s multibillion-dollar, triple-decker war room revealed (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-s-multibillion-dollar-triple-decker-war-room-revealed-a6743411.html)

[giovonni]

12yo girl receives Husky from Putin for New Year


A 12-year-old’s dreams came true when she received a puppy as a New Year’s present
from Russia’s president, after having sent him a letter ... Read more (https://www.rt.com/news/325608-putin-gives-girl-puppy/)

Published on Dec 13, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWAH9Hh9J1Q

[giovonni]

Putin annual media Q&A marathon 2015

(FULL PRESSER)


Streamed live 5 hours ago

The Russian president is holding his 11th annual news conference with a special focus on international events. Similar Q&A sessions in the past have lasted up to several hours. The record was set in 2008, when Vladimir Putin spent 4 hours and 40 minutes speaking with journalists - LIVE UPDATES http://on.rt.com/6zp2

Dec 17, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7fsXGWiuDc&feature=youtu.be

[giovonni]

Putin’s New Year Address 2016: Grateful to all those defending Russia


President Putin has addressed the Russian nation, congratulating the people on a hard but fruitful year. Grateful for all those servicemen and women for defending Russia, as well as those working tirelessly on this Holiday.

Published on Dec 31, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgGbAq02PtY

[giovonni]

will share this here ...

https://cdn2.tass.ru/width/744_b12f2926/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20160203/1122901.jpg

From Joseph Farrell

NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM Feb 4 2016


Henry Kissinger was in Russia visiting President Putin, a week after a very interesting press conference from Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov:
Putin meets with former US State Secretary Henry Kissinger (http://tass.ru/en/politics/854286)


Streamed Live Thursday


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9kEezGpfk&feature=em-lbcastemail-np

[giovonni]

BREAKING: Putin orders start of Russian military withdrawal from Syria

"Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu
to start the withdrawal of forces from Syria starting Tuesday."

Published on Mar 14, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCwhYshgw8

[PurpleLama]

https://www.rt.com/news/335565-russia-start-withdrawal-syria/

[Ewan]

Well this is beyond my understanding. Nothing is resolved in so far as I am aware. Cease-fires were being broken according to numerous reports. Looks like a see-saw in the offing.

What a strange name when you think about it, see-saw.
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-see2.htm

[Enola]

LOL he always looks bored and jaded.

[giovonni]

the latest ...

Putin talks to world news agencies at St. Petersburg Economic Forum

"Russian President Vladimir Putin is talking to the journalists from world news agencies,
finishing the second day of Russia’s St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF)."

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

Streamed live 4 hours ago / 6/17/2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf9CzpDRWho

[Daozen]

Just saw this thread. Interesting that the first character should be an ear emoji.

[giovonni]

Just saw this thread. Interesting that the first character should be an ear emoji.

Yes ~ i've used it often in my postings ~ as an indicator to listen ~ :ear: