View Full Version : Leaked Phone Call Reveals New Coalition Government Was Behind Sniper Shootings in Ukraine
christian
5th March 2014, 23:51
I had already suspected that the snipers were acting at the behest of some people within the revolutionary government. They were the only ones to stand to gain from this, as Yanukovych wouldn't benefit from a couple of dead protesters, to the contrary he would lose the support of the Ukrainians and virtually everyone who hears that story.
It's the same tactic again and again. Gaddafi's alleged helicopter attack against his own people which was completely fabricated, the use of chemical weapons in Syria most probably perpetrated by the extremist rebels... It's such a cheap tactic, but the mainstream media is gladly falling for it each time it's being used, and along with them many people around the world, unfortunately...
Sources:
http://www.channel4.com/news/ukraine-catherine-ashton-phone-shoot-maidan-bugged-leaked
http://scgnews.com/breaking-leaked-phone-call-reveals-new-coalition-was-behind-sniper-shootings-in-ukraine
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Tesseract
6th March 2014, 00:39
Thanks, was just about to post on this. This is BIG.
Around, and just before the climax of the Kiev protests, the MSM was actually reporting that protesters were sniping police officers (fatally) – these reports quickly disappeared, and instead we were flooded with reports to the opposite effect.
There is also going to be some footage released within the hour that further implicates western backed provocateurs in sniping, more on that later.
I’m not one to rush into false flag accusations, but this really has my attention. In addition to your Syria and Libya examples, we do deeply suspect that in Egypt protesters who opposed Sisi were deliberately shot by their own islamic brethren – in order to display corpses to the media.
This needs to gain traction.
I do not believe the media is falling for anything. I think they are part of it, as in active participants complicit in the events, knowing it is coming in advance and more We know all that thanks to a letter by Rockefeller thanking the 'friendly media' for their co-operation and silence on what they hear which is confirmation of their participation. Now this is not to say all those reporting are as aware of the CEOs and those that the ones calling the shots. Its those guys going to the Bilderbergers meets and its those guys that are the ones being thanked.
Tesseract
6th March 2014, 00:51
Listen to the call here - it is absolutely extraordinary. Listen to the entire thing, but the damaging statements come out after 8:30.
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Tesseract
6th March 2014, 00:58
By the way, the NSA have already listened to that call. They willfully chose not to share this information, instead they preferred to let the people be misled, so that the political agenda of the USA etc can be accomplished.
Sophocles
6th March 2014, 01:06
I posted this in the "Ukraine's strategic importance" -thread, but it might as well be posted here.
This GRAPHIC video shows that the shots comes from behind the demonstrators. And the text in the video also backs up what the estonian minister says he was told by Olga, the doctor.
Btw, I read in norwegian msm that Olga now denies having said what the minister claims to have been told by her.
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Tesseract
6th March 2014, 01:13
So here we have it:
video evidence
photographic evidence
ballistic evidence
human testimony
motive
means
If this were a murder trial, there would not be much room for reasonable doubt.
Tesseract
6th March 2014, 01:26
"I saw the shooter, he was wearing one of the protesters' green helmets" - MSM reporter. Go to about 2:30 in the video.
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Tesseract
6th March 2014, 01:34
And another observation of protesters with guns that the media suddenly went silent about:
The health ministry said 26 people were killed in fighting in the capital, 10 of them police officers.
A ministry official said 263 protesters were being treated for injuries, as were 342 police officers, mainly with gunshot wounds.
The interior ministry said five of the dead policemen were hit by identical sniper fire in the head or neck.
Journalists saw some hardline protesters carrying guns at the barricades.
Notice the term 'hardline protesters' - they would only ever use that phrase for a pro-west person with a gun. Anyone else would be called a gunman, militant, terrorist etc etc..
Source: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-20/ukraine-pres-agrees-truce-with-opposition-after-latest-violence/5271160
I suspect this article will disappear, might want to save it.
Tesseract
6th March 2014, 02:00
Another liveleak video that highlights some of the shots coming in from behind:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=729_1393335320#ydc2cfIkfadzKssE.99
mosquito
6th March 2014, 02:00
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This needs to gain traction.
As it's covered by a respected outfit like Channel 4, then hopefully it will.
As you said, the evidence is stacked up. Anyone who still doesn't want to believe that the US/EU were complicit in the whole affair is willfully ignorant.
Sidney
6th March 2014, 02:04
I am actually a bit surprised they would be DUMB enough to have this conversation over the phone. Everyone should know by now, that no phone anywhere is private. But I have a difficult time hearing what exactly they are saying because of their accents.
I get that the shots were fired at both the protesters, and the military? Am I correct on this. So what exactly does it mean.
Tesseract
6th March 2014, 02:22
I get that the shots were fired at both the protesters, and the military? Am I correct on this. So what exactly does it mean.
It's all about provocation and manipulation of opinion - what the Russian foreign ministry has been saying the whole time. They need the corpses of protesters to gain the sympathy and outrage of people both in Ukraine and overseas. So they shoot some protesters. They also shoot police so that the police will respond with their own shooting, killing more people, and also making the police look bad.
Sidney
6th March 2014, 02:27
I get that the shots were fired at both the protesters, and the military? Am I correct on this. So what exactly does it mean.
It's all about provocation and manipulation of opinion - what the Russian foreign ministry has been saying the whole time. They need the corpses of protesters to gain the sympathy and outrage of people both in Ukraine and overseas. So they shoot some protesters. They also shoot police so that the police will respond with their own shooting, killing more people, and also making the police look bad.
But who is "THEY", what is the origin of the snipers? I just want to be clear I am understanding correctly.
Lifebringer
6th March 2014, 03:03
Why does this guy look uncanningly like "a Bush?" He and Jeb could pass for brothers or cousins. Is this their EU connection/family ties?
Operator
6th March 2014, 03:09
And yet the assembled EU still agrees to donate 11 billion euros 'support' to that current government ... :madgrin::loco:
ThePythonicCow
6th March 2014, 03:20
But who is "THEY", what is the origin of the snipers? I just want to be clear I am understanding correctly.
My best guess is that "THEY" are the modern day equivalent of Gladio (http://amzn.com/1615776877).
Kurt Nimmo, writing for Inforwars.com, agrees with me: Order Out of Chaos: Gladio Snipers Behind Killings in Kyiv (http://www.infowars.com/order-out-of-chaos-gladio-snipers-behind-killings-in-kyiv/).
Lifebringer
6th March 2014, 03:26
Well this isn't rocket science. The evidence is so clear even a FL. Zimmerman juror can see it. Faux flag attacks by Nazi factions worldwide to get the nations fighting among one another and then stage little coups to put their people in. Guess Brezinski's buddies want to play divisive mind games between the police sworn to protect and serve and the protesters by shooting on both sides. Sneaky, yet predictable. When a cornered rat bites, they care not what flesh they bite, to escape or gain the upper hand. If any of the revolutions of UK ever meant as much as the blood shed over here, those French, Ukrainian, and other nations who died for democracy, if they wake up to it, there will be a cry so loud for truth and prosecution, there may be hangings in the street, or as they do in the mob, pop them one by one, when they are most comfortable in their surroundings. They know not who's massaging or serving the wine, and they are very stupid to think the police there will protect them from here on out. I smell a revolution people, and it's not about the people or government, but an "actual monster hunt" in all the nations tied to this.
Rut Roh Reorge.
So they've all got their own kill squads under some political name or other, to take a seat in gov? Hmmm... Busted, disgusted and never to be trusted again, but I still say there are some physical chareateristics that look like Jeb Bush on that fella. He and Jeb around the eyes and hair line. The style is different, but if a part was on the side, they could be brothers. Does anyone know if their families are related on the EU side?:wizard:
skuzzy
6th March 2014, 03:53
I do not believe the media is falling for anything. I think they are part of it, as in active participants complicit in the events, knowing it is coming in advance and more We know all that thanks to a letter by Rockefeller thanking the 'friendly media' for their co-operation and silence on what they hear which is confirmation of their participation. Now this is not to say all those reporting are as aware of the CEOs and those that the ones calling the shots. Its those guys going to the Bilderbergers meets and its those guys that are the ones being thanked.
Yes your view is actually validated by Karen Hudes when she was on Project Camelot Radio in the fall of last year, I think that was when. Anyway, Ir emember her clearly stating something like this:
"The journalists are so concerned with getting the story correct, not informationally correct but politically corrcect to only portray what the MSM wants to be released."
Otherwise, as I come to understand it at least, if the media outlets dont want your story, you dont get paid. Is that correct? Regardless, the media over here in North America is totally bias and controlled, again stated by Karen:
"All the media in North America has been bought up over the years and is ALL owned by the Fed Reserve Board."
Again guys, these are not word for word quotes, but this is what she is saying. 1) independent journalists have to change or present their story in a certain way so that it helps out the MSM. 2) All MSM is owned and controlled by one group, what she calls the super entity.
skuzzy
6th March 2014, 04:00
I get that the shots were fired at both the protesters, and the military? Am I correct on this. So what exactly does it mean.
It's all about provocation and manipulation of opinion - what the Russian foreign ministry has been saying the whole time. They need the corpses of protesters to gain the sympathy and outrage of people both in Ukraine and overseas. So they shoot some protesters. They also shoot police so that the police will respond with their own shooting, killing more people, and also making the police look bad.
exactly correct! This is an old trick used to get the people mad at the government forces for apparently killing protestors, at the same time inciting rage in the protestors because their protestor friends are being killed and its being BLAMED on the government forces.
They shoot at the police because the exact same reaction occurs on their end as well. Our riot buddies are being killed, its time to bash some skulls. Its doesnt take long for both sides to get violent with each other and for the outside world who only hear the corrupt media's take on this to voice outrage at the government forces and thus gaining backing for military intervention, or whatever scheme these slime balls have in mind.
Basically, all the protests turned violent in the middle east these past years, the same dirty trick has been used to facilitate what we all saw happen. Protestors get killed by riot police, they fight back, riot police start clubbin' skulls, outside world demand action from, oh what a surprise, the UN! which of course needs conflict and death and weapons because it makes the controllers alot of money. greedy bastards, profiting on the blood of the people.
ghostrider
6th March 2014, 04:04
they use snipers , telling them to hit targets on both sides , get the fingers pointing , each side responds passions run high , public outcry for someone to do something , the ones coming to help will probably be the ones who signs the paychecks for the snipers ... a planned war , just like Iraq , afganistan , etc ... same ole playbook , divide and conquer ...
Sidney
6th March 2014, 04:06
Would it be out of line wondering if this was not a leaked phone call at all, but a deliberate scripted leak, all planned, then played out for the world stage to make sure everyone knows the spin, in order to throw more fuel on the chaos? Seems like the beginning of the perfect storm.
Agape
6th March 2014, 12:26
Would it be out of line wondering if this was not a leaked phone call at all, but a deliberate scripted leak, all planned, then played out for the world stage to make sure everyone knows the spin, in order to throw more fuel on the chaos? Seems like the beginning of the perfect storm.
Exactly . I can tell you that some of this seriously hurts my brain . Not the first or last time we are standing against mature world of lies , deceit and violence targeting straight the soft core .
It hurts more for seeing some of our fellow Avalonians caught on that side , together with millions ( n millions ) of people swayed and manipulated by the RT and so called 'alternative scene ' standing too long as main division from within and against the US government .
Anyone without lots of political sand in their eyes have to see how easy it is to manipulate public through media releases, and if you think of the NSA as your 'chief traitor' and enemy , and MSM being manipulated,
you're watching the tip of an iceberg.
There's whole larger ocean where you swim...the alternative news , it's leaks, releases, programs, people who appeal to you rather than your 'orchestrated politicians' ,
they're the shadow government you're partaking of .. or on edge of doing so , world of lies .
Well, hope you have fun
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Hervé
6th March 2014, 13:23
Leaked phone call that reveals conspiracy is now denigrated as "Conspiracy Theory" by MSM (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet)
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The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet) Wed, 05 Mar 2014 05:44 CST
http://www.sott.net/article/275111-Leaked-phone-call-that-reveals-conspiracy-is-now-denigrated-as-Conspiracy-Theory-by-MSM
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The conversation featuring EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton was posted on YouTube.
A leaked phone call between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet has revealed that the two discussed a conspiracy theory that blamed the killing of civilian protesters in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, on the opposition rather than the ousted government.
The 11-minute conversation was posted on YouTube - it is the second time in a month that telephone calls between western diplomats discussing Ukraine have been bugged.
In the call, Paet said he had been told snipers responsible for killing police and civilians in Kiev last month were protest movement provocateurs rather than supporters of then-president Viktor Yanukovych. Ashton responds: "I didn't know ... Gosh."
The leak came a day after the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said the snipers may have been opposition provocateurs. The Kremlin-funded Russia Today first carried the leaked call online.
The Estonian foreign ministry confirmed the leaked conversation was accurate. It said: "Foreign minister Paet was giving an overview of what he had heard in Kiev and expressed concern over the situation on the ground. We reject the claim that Paet was giving an assessment of the opposition's involvement in the violence." Ashton's office said it did not comment on leaks.
During the conversation, Paet quoted a woman named Olga - who the Russian media identified her as Olga Bogomolets, a doctor - blaming snipers from the opposition shooting the protesters.
"What was quite disturbing, this same Olga told that, well, all the evidence shows that people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and people from the streets, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides," Paet said.
"So she also showed me some photos, she said that as medical doctor, she can say it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it's really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don't want to investigate what exactly happened."
"So there is a stronger and stronger understanding that behind snipers it was not Yanukovych, it was somebody from the new coalition," Paet says.
Ashton replies: "I think we do want to investigate. I didn't pick that up, that's interesting. Gosh."
Russia Today, reporting the call, said: "The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online."
Last month, a recording was leaked in which US state department official Victoria Nuland was heard venting the White House's frustrations at Europe's hesitant policy towards pro-democracy protests. Speaking to the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, Nuland was heard to say "**** the EU."
Asked about the emergence of a second embarrassing phone call, a spokesperson for the US state department said: "As I said around the last unfortunate case, this is just another example of the kind of Russian tradecraft that we have concerns about."
SOTT Comment: What the salaried U.S. government person is trying not to say is that the phone calls that were leaked to the press reveal uncomfortable truths that point towards his government's involvement in the crisis in Ukraine. So how to put the worms back in the can? Blame it on Russia! It's in fashion anyway now that the Cold War posters (http://www.sott.net/article/273897-In-US-headlines-write-themselves-Cold-War-imagery-resurrected-in-Sochi-bashing) have been out of the old dusty closets and reused. BREAKING! Kiev snipers hired by new coalition, not Yanukovych - Estonian FM to EU chief Ashton (http://www.sott.net/article/275047-BREAKING-Kiev-snipers-hired-by-new-coalition-not-Yanukovych-Estonian-FM-to-EU-chief-Ashton)
Hervé
6th March 2014, 13:43
BREAKING! Kiev snipers hired by new coalition, not Yanukovych - Estonian FM to EU chief Ashton (http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_05/Behind-Ukraine-snipers-was-not-Yanukovych-but-new-coalition-Estonian-FM-to-Ashton-5154/)
RT/Voice of Russia (http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_05/Behind-Ukraine-snipers-was-not-Yanukovych-but-new-coalition-Estonian-FM-to-Ashton-5154/) Wed, 05 Mar 2014 08:29 CST
http://www.sott.net/article/275047-BREAKING-Kiev-snipers-hired-by-new-coalition-not-Yanukovych-Estonian-FM-to-EU-chief-Ashton
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The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online.
"There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition," Paet said during the conversation.
"I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn't pick that up, that's interesting. Gosh," Ashton answered.
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The call took place after Estonia's FM Urmas Paet visited Kiev on February 25 at the peak of clashes between the pro-EU protesters and security forces in the Ukrainian capital.
Paet also recalled his conversation with a doctor who treated those shot by snipers in Kiev. She said that both protesters and police were shot at by the same people:
"So that she then also showed me some photos she said that as a medical doctor she can say that it is the same handwriting, the same type of bullets, and it's really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don't want to investigate what exactly happened." The file was reportedly uploaded to the web by officers of Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) loyal to ousted President Viktor Yanukovych who hacked Paet's and Ashton's phones.
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Hervé
6th March 2014, 13:49
As I posted earlier somewhere else:
A few points for Putin in my books:
By Servando Gonzalez in http://henrymakow.com/2014/03/gay-is-not-the-same-as.html
[...]
PUTIN
Granted, like most politicians such as the Bushes, the Clintons and Obama, Vladimir Putin might be corrupt and power hungry. But there is a big difference that makes him a fierce enemy of the NWO conspirators: contrary to his American counterparts, Putin loves his country. His dream is to change Russia into a first class industrialized country with a large middle class.
Moreover, Putin is not associated with the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the World Economic Forum or any other globalist organizations. He is not conspiring in the shadows to eliminate Russia's sovereignty and create a New World Order -- a global government controlled by oil magnates, international bankers and CEOs of transnational corporations.
Contrary to his CFR foes, Putin's goal is not to turn back history and change Russia again into the medieval, hunger-games-like society the CFR conspirators imposed on the Russian people for more than half a century and now envision for the rest of the world, including the U.S.
And that makes a big difference.
The CFR globalist conspirators hate Putin for the same reasons they hated Kennedy and Reagan, the last presidents who really loved America. It will not be so easy for them, however, to get rid of Putin the same way they got rid of Kennedy and tried to eliminate Reagan.
[...]
Servando Gonzalez, is a Cuban-born American writer, historian, semiologist and intelligence analyst. He has written books, essays and articles on Latin American history, intelligence, espionage, and semiotics. Servando is the author of Historia herética de la revolución fidelista, Observando, The Secret Fidel Castro: Deconstructing the Symbol, The Nuclear Deception: Nikita Khrushchev and the Cuban Missile Crisis and La madre de todas las conspiraciones: Una novela de ideas subversivas, all available at Amazon.com.
Agape
6th March 2014, 15:15
The file was reportedly uploaded to the web by officers of Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) loyal to ousted President Viktor Yanukovych who hacked Paet's and Ashton's phones.
From your web sources ...
I mean the PsyOp you are falling for now .. is huge and Russian . Yanukovich was one of the Moscow sponsored billionaires who drove Ukraine to economical crisis over couple of years,
after their so called 'Orange Revolution' and independent ideals failed and called to hands of these 'old cadres' , former communist bosses who are profiting from their former posts and connections,
in most of the former Soviet Republics , including Russia itself .
You hail Putin, the former chief of KGB, someone clandestinely responsible for lives and deaths of thousands of people,
someone who washed his hands after the fall of USSR and won the elections, and keeping his chair by charms and money since then .
All of the former Soviet Republics are run by some of these peoples, now in their 60 and 70s . Use simple maths and ask yourself who groomed and grew these politicians ? 40 years or more of brainwashed communist regime most of you have fortunately , very little idea about .
You mistake primitive gestures and lies for truth , easily .
These and many other regimes were always run by fear and force . You who are from the US , would not want to live in Russia for longer than two weeks, I can assure you.
Why don't you go and check it personally, if you like it so much ?
And believe Mr Putin is your 'protector ' ?
Why Yanukovich seeks refuge in Moscow is clear and obvious, another fat bastard who was 'democratically elected' , ruined the country , and when people asked him to step down , he was not ashamed to use brute force .
He is criminal responsible for massacre on Maidan and much more, somehow you seem to miss it .
You go with the Putin, claiming there is no independent pro-democractic government and people in Ukraine , that they are fascists, ultra-orthodox radicals and west payed shills.
I can assure you that the people of Ukraine ..who are not Moscow payed shills and Moscow media manipulated sheep who fear Russia so will do all as Russia dictates, who are the 'power nationalists' of their own right,
no Ukraine people will agree with you . We have them living here , immigrants for decades now,
and all that is clear to all of us is that their Moscow sponsored governments, one after another were purposely or not corrupted and brought the country on the brink of another famine ,
people are leaving there to find work all over Europe for decades now , and they never hoped that they are able to stand against those Russian backed governments .
I feel sincerely sorry for all these people .. because they're not the only ones after all .
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Hervé
6th March 2014, 15:31
If they only knew...
For an idea on the “big” picture…
Below are excerpts from the work of whistle blower Sue Ann Arrigo (http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/).
These give the blue print for what’s happening currently to this planet on the 3D level
Here is how the implemented strategy has worked in the past:
Rothschilds/John D. Rockefeller, Sr. funded the Bolshevik Revolution
Per his writings in the Archives, John D. Rockefeller helped fund the Bolshevik Revolution to get the wealth of the Czars, the labor of the Russian people, and much the Southern Oil fields in Russia. That wealth changed its name from Czarist, to Russian Government owned. Ignore the names, what happened to it? Did the people of Russia get it? No. The Rockefeller Archives show that he built a private army in Russia, much like the Brown Shirt army later. His accountant said that for each 2 cents that he spent to build that Army he got a dollar back. That Army was not staying up late to knit socks to sell. They were beating people up and committing assassinations, massacres, and mayhem to terrorize the populace into submission. And he was bribing officials to get what he wanted. He was apparently famous for that in the US as well. See www.reformation.org/rockefeller-bribery.html (http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller-bribery.html) .
[...] the Rockefellers charged about 18% interest on the money that they loaned Lenin for the Revolution. The way that agreement was set up made all of the loot that Lenin could seize in Russia, the Rockefellers/Rothschilds.
[…]That meant that Lenin and Stalin could never get out of debt unless they could work people nearly to death to produce the goods Rockefeller/Rothschilds wanted. People thought that the ridiculous factory quotas the Russians tried to accomplish were the result of communism. That was not what I thought after reading the Archives. The Rockefellers were setting the quotas and delighting in the profits. They also delighted in giving the Russians quotas they could not meet as a way of humiliating them.
[…] I sent him [Gorbachev] copies from the Archives of documents that showed those policies had been forced upon Stalin by Rockefeller. While the people of Russia starved, Rockefeller was also insisting that Stalin sell him the grain at the price and amounts previously agreed to. But Rockefeller did not need that grain. And Rockefeller was, to a large extent, responsible for the bad policies that caused the poor crop yields and meant that selling that same amount of grain overseas ensured famine. It appeared to be a deliberate attempt, not just to get grain cheaply, but to starve people. The private journals of John D. Rockefeller, Jr. confirmed that. The Rockefeller Family seemed obsessed by the desire to kill people off, including by , and starvation. The Rockefellers have long backed population control measures fairly publicly. That was not a secret, nor their funding of ‘eugenics’ research’. See http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/omegafile29.htm (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/omegafile29.htm) , http://www.eugenics-watch.com/eugbook/,euod_ch1.html (http://www.eugenics-watch.com/eugbook/euod_ch1.html) , http://illuminati-news.com/nazi-california.htm (http://illuminati-news.com/nazi-california.htm). But, the behind the scenes maneuvers on how they were committing those Crimes Against Humanity were secret. To them Communism was a lovely excuse to steal the wealth of the rich Russians and then kill off the poor who were not working in their factories. The factories and the oil fields had the name of the Soviet Union on them, as if they belong to the Russian Govt.. But an examination of the chain of command structure and the flow of money made it look like the Rockefellers et al were already well on their way to being Kings of the World.
Let me give you an example of that so you can understand how this system worked in practice.
John D. Rockefeller, Jr., wanted to crash prices in South America of a type of goods to force his competitors into closing. If I remember correctly, the country was Argentina and the goods were stainless steel cookware--pots and pans, bowls, and cutlery. They were items peasants had to buy to live. They were also heavy and it made absolutely no sense to ship them from Russia since they were already made in adequate quantities by factories in that country. But they were not Rockefeller’s factories so a part of the markets’ share of money was not going to them. That was an anathema to John. D., Jr. He wanted to own everything and everyone, or kill them.
So, he wrote a letter to Stalin and told him how much and what kind of each item he wanted. It was a huge order, perhaps several Latin American countries worth. Rockefeller was going to dropped the prices of the goods to drive the Latin American factories out of business. Then he would buy them cheaply. Having a monopoly he would then raise the price of the goods to steal even more from the peasants. His journal shows that he intended to cause their children to starve, if at all possible. It was not an unintended consequence of his business practices. I saw instances in which he was willing to lose money to make others starve. It was really quite sad to read about the life of a man who was so desperately unhappy that this was what it took to distract him from that fact.
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Agape
6th March 2014, 15:48
The same people drove here to Prague , in 1968 , with their tanks , telling their soldiers that there's 'imperialist pouch ' happening in former Czecho-Slovakia ,
summoned government representatives to Moscow and forced them to sign agreements that doomed this country for another 20 years .
My mum was 21 years old at that time and she remembers well what has happened till now, and there was no 'pouch' here, till they came .
People of this country are peaceful, somewhat lethargic at times .. and had to fight hard for their historical sovereignty more than one times, Prague used to be the ruling capital of Europe in 14th century , empire extending to France .
There was no pouch here at all, just government changes that indicated we are opening our borders to the 'West' as any sovereign country should be permitted to do, that we have right to free speech, education of our choice , travel and trade .
Moscow truly did not like what is happening here ... and their soldiers were sent here in tanks straight from some military exercise , not knowing where they go,
not knowing what is the real state of matters.
Mum recalls that they were hungry , and after some communication exchange between locals and them was established , they begged for bread and some essentials .
They were ordered to shoot , and indeed , they fired pre-emptive shots in the Pragues historical centre, damaging walls of National Museum among else ,
those holes were kept there unrepaired for many years , to their memory .
No one fought with them, people approached them with peace branches and bread and begged them to go home . They thought we're their enemy and expected militants in the streets , there were none .
But demonstrations and protests started and were provoked by this action, on big scale and many people flee the country till borders were tightly sealed in few weeks time and Russian controls installed everywhere, from the government to key military posts.
So they assumed control 'by agreement' for another 20 years .. as they did elsewhere, of their own rights.
Hervé
6th March 2014, 16:47
Spring fails in Ukrainian plunderland (http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-050314.html)
By Pepe Escobar
Here's the US's exceptionalist promotion of "democracy" in action; Washington has recognized a coup d'etat in Ukraine that regime-changed a - for all its glaring faults - democratically elected government.
And here is Russian President Vladimir Putin, already last year, talking about (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF-y95V6R2Y&feature=share) how Russia and China decided to trade in roubles and yuan, and stressing how Russia needs to quit the "excessive monopoly" of the US dollar. He had to be aware the Empire would strike back.
Now there's more; Russian presidential adviser Sergey Glazyev told RIA Novosti, "Russia will abandon the US dollar as a reserve currency if the United States initiates sanctions against the Russian Federation."
So the Empire struck back by giving "a little help" to regime change in the Ukraine. And Moscow counter-punched by taking control of Crimea in less than a day without firing a shot - with or without crack Spetsnaz brigades (UK-based think tanks say they are; Putin says they are not).
Putin's assessment of what happened in Ukraine is factually correct (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKF8JN1qmk&feature=youtu.be); "an anti-constitutional takeover and armed seizure of power". It's open to endless, mostly nasty debate whether the Kremlin overreacted or not. Considering the record of outright demonization of both Russia and Putin going on for years - and now reaching fever pitch - the Kremlin's swift reaction was quite measured.
Putin applied Sun Tzu to the letter, and now plays the US against the EU. He has made it clear Moscow does not need to "invade" Ukraine. The 1997 Ukraine-Russia partition treaty specifically allows Russian troops in Crimea. And Russia after all is an active proponent of state sovereignty; it's under this principle that Moscow refuses a Western "intervention" in Syria.
What he left the door open for is - oh cosmic irony of ironies - an American invention/intervention (and that, predictably, was undetectable by Western corporate media); the UN's R2P - "responsibility to protect" - in case the Western-aligned fascists and neo-nazis in Ukraine threaten Russians or Russian-speaking civilians with armed conflict. Samantha Power should be proud of herself.
Don't mess with Russian intelligence
The "West" once again has learned you don't mess with Russian intelligence, which in a nutshell preempted in Crimea a replica of the coup in Kiev, largely precipitated by UNA-UNSO - a shady, ultra-rightwing, crack paramilitary NATO-linked force using Ukraine as base, as exposed by William Engdahl (http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-secretive-neo-nazi-military-organization-involved-in-euromaidan-snyper-shootings/5371611).
And Crimea was an even murkier operation, because those neo-nazis from Western Ukraine were in tandem with Tatar jihadis (the House of Saud will be heavily tempted to finance them from now on).
The Kremlin is factually correct when pointing out that the coup was essentially conducted by fascists and ultra-right "nationalists" - Western code for neo-nazis. Svoboda ("Freedom") party political council member Yury Noyevy (http://www.ibtimes.com/euromaidan-dark-shadows-far-right-ukraine-protests-1556654) even admitted openly that using EU integration as a pretext "is a means to break our ties with Russia."
Western corporate media always conveniently forgets that Svoboda - as well as the Right Sector fascists - follow in the steps of Galician fascist/terrorist Stepan Bandera, a notorious asset of a basket of "Western" intel agencies. Now Svoboda has managed to insert no less than six bigwigs as part of the new regime in Kiev.
Then there are the new regional governors appointed to the mostly Russophone east and south of Ukraine. They are - who else - oligarchs, such as billionaires Sergei Taruta posted to Donetsk and Ihor Kolomoysky posted in Dnipropetrovsk. People in Maidan in Kiev were protesting mostly against - who else - kleptocrat oligarchs. Once again, Western corporate media - which tirelessly plugged a "popular" uprising against kleptocracy - hasn't noticed it.
Once again, follow the money
Ukraine's foreign currency reserves, only in the past four weeks, plunged from US$17.8 billion to $15 billion. Wanna buy some hryvnia? Well, not really; the national currency, is on a cosmic dive against the US dollar. This is jolly good news only for disaster capitalism vultures.
And right on cue, the International Monetary Fund is sending a "fact-finding mission" to Ukraine this week. Ukrainians of all persuasions may run but they won't hide from "structural adjustment". They could always try to scrape enough for a ticket with their worthless hryvnia (being eligible for visa on arrival in Thailand certainly helps).
European banks - who according to the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) hold more than $23 billion in outstanding loans - could lose big in Ukraine. Italian banks, for instance, have loaned nearly $6 billion.
On the Pipelineistan front, Ukraine heavily depends on Russia; 58% of its gas supply. It cannot exactly diversify and start buying from Qatar tomorrow - with delivery via what, Qatar Airways?
And even as 66% of Russian gas exported to the EU transits through Ukraine, the country is fast losing its importance as a transit hub. Both the Nord Stream and South Stream pipelines - Russia not on-the-ground but under-seas - bypass Ukraine. The Nord Stream, finished in 2011, links Russia with Germany beneath the Baltic Sea. South Stream, beneath the Black Sea, will be ready before the end of 2015.
Geoeconomically, the Empire needs Ukraine to be out of the Eurasian economic union promoted by the Kremlin - which also includes Kazakhstan and Belarus. And geopolitically, when NATO Secretary General, the vain puppet Anders Fogh Rasmussen, said that an IMF-EU package for the Ukraine would be "a major boost for Euro-Atlantic security", this is what clinched it; the only thing that matters in this whole game is NATO "annexing" Ukraine, as I examined (http://rt.com/op-edge/will-nato-annex-ukraine-414/)earlier.
It has always been about the Empire of Bases - just like the encirclement of Iran; just like the "pivot" to Asia translating into encirclement of China; just like encircling Russia with bases and "missile defense". Over the Kremlin's collective dead body, of course.
Let's plunder that wasteland
US Secretary of State John Kerry accusing Russia of "invading Ukraine", in "violation of international law", and "back to the 19th century", is so spectacularly pathetic in its hypocrisy - once again, look at the US's record - it does not warrant comment from any informed observer. Incidentally, this is as pathetic as his offer of a paltry $1 billion in "loan guarantees" - which would barely pay Ukraine's bills for two weeks.
The Obama administration - especially the neo-cons of the "F**k the EU" kind - has lost is power play. And for Moscow, it has no interlocutor in Kiev because it considers the regime-changers illegal. Moscow also regards "Europe" as a bunch of pampered whining losers - with no common foreign policy to boot.
So any mediation now hinges on Germany. Berlin has no time for "sanctions" - the sacrosanct American exceptionalist mantra; Russia is a plush market for German industry. And for all the vociferations at the Economist and the Financial Times, the City of London also does not want sanctions; the financial center feeds on lavish Russian politico/oligarch funds. As for the West's "punishment" for Russia by threatening to expel it from the Group of Eight, that is a joke. The G-8, which excludes China, does not decide anything relevant anymore; the G-20 does.
If a wide-ranging poll were to be conducted today, it would reveal that the majority of Ukrainians don't want to be part of the EU - as much as the majority of Europeans don't want the Ukraine in the EU. What's left for millions of Ukrainians is the bloodsucking IMF, to be duly welcomed by "Yats" (as Prime Minister Yatsenyuk is treated by Vic "F**k the EU" Nuland (http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-040314.html)).
Ukraine is slouching towards federalization. The Kiev regime-changers will have no say on autonomous Crimea - which most certainly will [not] remain part of Ukraine (and Russia by the way will save $90 million in annual rent for the Sevastopol base, which until now was payable to Kiev.)
The endgame is all but written; Moscow controls an autonomous Crimea for free, and the US/EU "control", or try to plunder, disaster capitalism-style, a back of beyond western Ukraine wasteland "managed" by a bunch of Western puppets and oligarchs, with a smatter of neo-nazis.
So what is the Obama/Kerry strategic master duo to do? Start a nuclear war?
Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0978813820/simpleproduction/ref=nosim) (Nimble Books, 2007), Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge (http://www.amazon.com/Red-Zone-Blues-snapshot-Baghdad/dp/0978813898) (Nimble Books, 2007), and Obama does Globalistan (http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Does-Globalistan-Pepe-Escobar/dp/1934840831) (Nimble Books, 2009).
Hervé
6th March 2014, 20:15
Well, it looks like it's that serious...
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Tesseract
8th March 2014, 16:14
Lavrov is now calling for an investigation of the sniper shootings. West simply writing it off as a conspiracy theory or turning a blind eye.
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/722707
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