Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Harley]

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A flight crew combing the southern Indian Ocean for the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 say they're getting radar hits of "significant size," indicating something lying below the water's surface, ABC News reported Thursday.

[Cidersomerset]

Ex-Israeli Air Security Chief Yeffet: Iran May Be Behind Jet Mystery

new Thursday 20th March 2014 at 07:16 By David Icke


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‘Iranian intelligence officials may be behind the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines
Flight 370 earlier this month, former El Al Airlines security chief Isaac Yeffet says.

“We have bad experiences with the Iranians, unfortunately…. I would not be
surprised… if one of the intelligence bodies, group of Iranians, were involved,”
Yeffet told “The Steve Malzberg Show” on Newsmax TV.

“They will land [the aircraft] in place that nobody will know. It will take years, if not
more, to find what’s happened with this aircraft.”‘

Read more: Ex-Israeli Air Security Chief Yeffet: Iran May Be Behind Jet Mystery

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[ponda]

Somebody posted these images at another forum (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-326.html)and said that they were supposed to be the images that are being talked about by the oz gov.

You can enlarge the images here (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/images/DIGO_00718_01_14.jpg) and here (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/images/DIGO_00718_02_14.jpg)

http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/images/DIGO_00718_01_14.jpg


http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/images/DIGO_00718_02_14.jpg

[Harley]

Tried to tell you all:


Remember the "Shift in the investigation" that I pointed out early on?

I'd be very wary of what I hear through the MSM. Lots of nonsense being broadcast by the "Officials".

Time is running out - Battery life is diminishing on the "Black Box" Locator Transmitters.

I will not be surprised if soon they "Officially Announce" the wreckage has been discovered.


Have we learned yet?

Well that didn't take long did it?

For those who still don't quite get it:

They need the wreckage to be "found".



Ex-Israeli Air Security Chief Yeffet: Iran May Be Behind Jet Mystery

If Iran is behind it they did so unwittingly.

Think of the concept of the phrase Double agent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_agent).

In any case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) the end result (what the plane may be used for) probably won't be for some time, and when that time arrives: 'Iran did it'.

[Cidersomerset]

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Australia is investigating two objects seen on satellite images that could potentially
be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, officials say. Planes and ships from
Australia, New Zealand and the US were in or heading to the area 2,500km (1,550
miles) from Perth to search for the objects.

The largest appeared to be 24m in size, maritime authorities said, but warned they
could be unrelated to the plane.

Australia has been searching in the southern Indian Ocean for the aircraft.

At a news conference on Wednesday, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin
Hussein described the possible sighting as a "credible lead".

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on 8 March
when it lost contact with air traffic controllers. A total of 239 people were on board.

Twenty-six nations have been involved in a major search for the missing plane,
which Malaysia says was intentionally diverted.

Investigators have been scrutinising the backgrounds of both the crew and the
passengers, but have so far identified no evidence of terror or other potentially
relevant links.

A number of sightings of possible debris have been investigated in the course of the
search but so far none have proved to be linked.


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Read more.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26659951

[SilentFeathers]

Tried to tell you all:


Remember the "Shift in the investigation" that I pointed out early on?

I'd be very wary of what I hear through the MSM. Lots of nonsense being broadcast by the "Officials".

Time is running out - Battery life is diminishing on the "Black Box" Locator Transmitters.

I will not be surprised if soon they "Officially Announce" the wreckage has been discovered.


Have we learned yet?

Well that didn't take long did it?

For those who still don't quite get it:

They need the wreckage to be "found".



Ex-Israeli Air Security Chief Yeffet: Iran May Be Behind Jet Mystery

If Iran is behind it they did so unwittingly.

Think of the concept of the phrase Double agent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_agent).

In any case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) the end result (what the plane may be used for) probably won't be for some time, and when that time arrives: 'Iran did it'.

Yeap, they're pretty much going to have to blame the pilot(s) too....


Who was 'fanatical' pilot of missing jet calling just minutes before take-off? Focus turns to mystery cockpit call from Kuala Lumpur airport
Urgently trying to work out who Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah spoke to
Made call moments before plane took off March 8 from Kuala Lumpur
Hope the phone call could hold the answer to plane's disappearance
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2585110/Who-fanatical-pilot-missing-jet-calling-just-minutes-Focus-turns-mystery-cockpit-call-Kuala-Lumpur-airport.html

We'll have to see if they actually claim this debris as parts of the plane (the location seems a bit odd to say the least)

PS: It's hard to imagine that an 80 foot chunck of a 777 could actually float. (The size of the object they claim to have spotted)

ADDED:

We can all go back to sleep now!

Obama: US will keep working to 'get to the bottom' of disappearance of Malaysia Airlines plane (http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/news/world/obama-us-will-keep-working-to-get-to-the-bottom-of-disappearance-of-malaysia-airlines-plane-1.913428)

[Atlas]

From CNN: The images of the objects were captured by satellite and were being assessed by the Australian Geospatial-Intelligence Organisation

When the Australian official took the podium to explain to reporters the discovery of satellite images that might show pieces of MH370, he carefully omitted to tell them the source. The images were from a US satellite. The Australian Maritime Safety Authority's John Young didn't mention this to the media. Nor was he asked. But he wouldn't have disclosed it in any case.

As ever, Australian officialdom is hyper protective of US intelligence and its sources - even more protective than the Americans themselves. The US decision to share its satellite imagery was just one part of the international co-operation involved in the 26-country search and rescue effort.

By Thursday night, the three countries participating in the Australian-co-ordinated search were all members of the so-called Five Eyes intelligence-sharing alliance. Australia had dispatched four Orion P3 maritime surveillance planes, New Zealand had sent another and the US had contributed a Poseidon submarine-hunting plane.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-satellite-the-unspoken-source-that-sparked-search-20140320-355zt.html

[Atlas]

It's hard to imagine that an 80 foot chunck of a 777 could actually float. (The size of the object they claim to have spotted)

Former Qantas pilot Trevor Jensen told the ABC that the larger object could be a wing or a part of the tail. Fuel is kept in the wings and, if it had run out, the wing would likely float, he said. Each wing of a Boeing 777 is about 27 metres long, though the satellite image provided by AMSA suggests an object that is broader than a plane's wing.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-satellite-images-focus-search-on-southern-indian-ocean-20140320-355yo.html

[Atlas]

The Cycle brings in author and legal scholar, Cass Sunstein, to discuss his newest book, "Conspiracy Theories and Other Dangerous Ideas" specifically discussing his ideas on conspiracy theories involving Malaysian flight 370:

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Watch another interesting interview with Cass Sunstein about MH370: http://www.onenewspage.com.au/video/20140320/1688550/Flight-MH370-Why-Are-Conspiracy-Theories-Seductive.htm (4min)

EDIT

Question to moderators: why can't I access this link:


Post #98, pag. 5. Methods and tactics to infiltrate and manipulate society, including Internet forums. The “Cass Sunstein” case.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13214-Is-the-Charles-33%C2%92s-POV-ok-or-a-Trojan-Horse-Who-do-you-agree-with-Bill-or-Kerry&p=138763&viewfull=1#post138763


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[Operator]

The Cycle brings in author and legal scholar, Cass Sunstein, to discuss his newest book, "Conspiracy Theories and Other Dangerous Ideas" specifically discussing his ideas on conspiracy theories involving Malaysian flight 370:

3f5SrpiZdt0
Watch another interesting interview with Cass Sunstein about MH370: http://www.onenewspage.com.au/video/20140320/1688550/Flight-MH370-Why-Are-Conspiracy-Theories-Seductive.htm (4min)

Wow, are they doing that on purpose ... I mean changing the camera angle all the time ?
Also the way they are seated changes the 'depth' of the perspective all the time ... pretty confusing.

Or am I now seeing a conspiracy everywhere :p ?

[Gardener]

Response to Cass Sunstein interview. (A little off topic)
At least they have stopped calling it 'Paranoid Conspiracy Theories'.
A definition of paranoid, believing something is true despite a complete absence of evidence.
It is not paranoia if there is at least some evidence.

The video seems to be some kind of damage limitation, marginalising people who are using lateral and out of the box thinking to try to solve a mystery. Its not so long ago about 15 - 18 years (underestimated) there were discussions about microchips and a surveilance society, the 'big brother is watching you' stuff as in george orwell; if one subscribed to this line of thinking they were one of those cospiracy nuts. Well guess what?

I am sure we can all come up with at least one conspiracy theory which subsequently became fact or proven.

Give it time.
:washing:

[ThePythonicCow]

Question to moderators: why can't I access this link:


Post #98, pag. 5. Methods and tactics to infiltrate and manipulate society, including Internet forums. The “Cass Sunstein” case.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13214-Is-the-Charles-33%C2%92s-POV-ok-or-a-Trojan-Horse-Who-do-you-agree-with-Bill-or-Kerry&p=138763&viewfull=1#post138763


Someone removed that thread from view. I don't know who removed it, but it must have been Bill or someone on the previous moderation team before my time. Only current admins and moderators can see that thread anymore.

The thread was a long and contentious poll thread, from the height of the Atticus controversy, in early February 2011.

That particular link above goes to a post discussing Cass Sunstein and government infiltration of Internet forums in the context of analyzing Atticus. I'm not quite sure what position the post is taking regarding Cass, but I'm guessing that Cass is mentioned as an example of someone who supports such infiltrations, and who is opposed to "conspiracy" sites (such as Project Avalon.)

A Google search for "Cass Sunstein and government infiltration of Internet forums" appears (at first glance; I didn't read closely) to bring up more articles of a similar vein (except of course not in the context of Atticus and Avalon.)

[Rocky_Shorz]

after earlier discussion of planes not able to follow closely behind another, I thought this was interesting...

http://intercepts.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/120731-Pax-River-104b1.jpg

"P-8A test flights have been carried out since mid-2010 at the Navy's test site at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. Here, a P-8A flying over the base on 31 July 2012 is overtaken by a U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Joint Strike Fighter. The F-35B and the carrier-based F-35C both are undergoing testing at Pax River. (photo by Christopher P. Cavas)"

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's what I thought of Cass Sunstein back in 2005 when I was a right wing conspiracy theorist, on FreeRepublic.com (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1501767/posts):

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That suggestion is now being carried forth by allies of Senator Biden like University of Chicago law professor Cass Sunstein (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sunstein.html) who wrote in advance of last year's Presidential election that:




. . . In the last few years, right-wing activists have become far more ambitious. There is a great deal of talk about restoration of the "Constitution in Exile" -- the Constitution as it existed in 1932, before President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal. Under this Constitution, the powers of the national government were sharply limited. The National Labor Relations Act of 1935, not to mention the Civil Rights Act of 1964, would have been impermissible. Under the Constitution in Exile, rights to have recourse against discrimination, and to protection of privacy, were minimal. A far more significant right was freedom of contract, which threw minimum-wage legislation into constitutional doubt. The Supreme Court tends to move slowly, and under a second Bush term, it would not adopt the Constitution of 1932; but it would probably move in that direction.

Very scary and conspiratorial stuff, indeed! The only problem is that the "Constitution-in-exile" movement is a near complete myth.


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I didn't like Cass Sunstein then; I don't like him now.

Hopefully someone on the mod team will step in now and remind me to get back on the topic of this thread :).

:focus:

[Atlas]

Response to Cass Sunstein interview. (A little off topic)
At least they have stopped calling it 'Paranoid Conspiracy Theories'.

He even said: "Some conspiracy theories are true"...


I'm not quite sure what position the post is taking regarding Cass, but I'm guessing that Cass is mentioned as an example of someone who supports such infiltrations, and who is opposed to "conspiracy" sites (such as Project Avalon.)

Thanks Paul, this was my guess too.

[Rocky_Shorz]

wasn't CNN mentioning a black hole theory? Check this anomaly out...

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov//data/REPROCESSING/Completed/2014/c2/20140320/20140320_1912_c2_1024.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

"What is vitally important to understand about why both Colonel’s Hamilton and Olson were purged is that they were in charge of the incredibly vast and secretive US-NSA military global spying nexus located at the Royal Air Force Croughton base in Northamptonshire, England.

Colonel Hamilton as the commander of the US Forces 501st Combat Support Wings 422nd Air Base Group at RAF Croughton, and Colonel Olson who commanded the 422nd Communications Squadron, along with other critical duties, had operational oversight of The US Naval Space Command, which is the operational arm of the Space and Electronic Warfare Directorate within the Navy staff, and directs in near totality the United States gigantic global war machine. . (http://whatdoesitmean.com/)"

relieved from duty to lead a team of 25 of the best electronic Warfare specialists in the world...

why would this guarded shipment be going to China at the same time as these specialists, when they are trying to stir up a war... Would Rothschild actually be giving this type of knowledge to the Chinese to make them a bigger threat to be dealt with? He has no love for China except for their money, was his plan to set up operations inside of China to secretly attack them locally?

the cargo was spotted and flight diverted, suddenly the plane changes course, cutting communications and rising to 35,000 feet so cell phones in the plane do not connect passing over cell towers in the population centers below, flew across the Maldive Island at low altitude to be spotted, landed in Diego Garcia to unload passengers and cargo before being destroyed in a location straight down the path it was seen flying over the Island, in an area 3 miles deep... one of the deepest in the world and impossible to do recoveries...

Why waste a perfectly good plane, a scrap tail section was flown to location and dropped in the sea as the clouds were clearing so it was visible by Satellite...

somewhere in the Pacific is an underground base with a group of Electronic Warfare Specialists... a fleet of drones... and a new cloaking technology to hide a flying attack center... a 777 they found laying around... a few dabs of paint...


what if the world's military are gathering their best to stop a space attack...

if you wanted to bring a divided world together, bring in something they will all stand against as brothers and sisters...


what if, the alien attack is being created?


is Putin really a member of Avalon? ;)

[Flash]

The disappearance of the plane still remains a mystery, nothing was found in the Indian Ocean.



Search comes up empty for suspected debris from missing plane
Nathan VanderKlippe
BEIJING — The Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Mar. 21 2014, 3:54 AM EDT
Last updated Friday, Mar. 21 2014, 6:31 AM EDT

The search for a missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner came up with nothing new on Friday, leaving distraught families with less and less to cling to. But American law firms are moving in to offer hope of a different kind: the potential for a multi-million-dollar payday.

Little is yet known about the fate of flight MH370. Its disappearance has sparked a massive search but only traces of solid information, including the likelihood that it was deliberately diverted from its original flight plan, and the possibility that its wreckage might be found in deep waters some 2,500 kilometres southwest of Australia.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/malaysia-says-no-confirmation-yet-of-suspected-jet-debris/article17607144/?utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=The%20Globe%20and%20Mail&utm_type=text&utm_content=TheGlobeandMail&utm_campaign=114879180http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/malaysia-says-no-confirmation-yet-of-suspected-jet-debris/article17607144/?utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=The%20Globe%20and%20Mail&utm_type=text&utm_content=TheGlobeandMail&utm_campaign=114879180

[Cidersomerset]

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20 March 2014 Last updated at 19:52

Could this radar spot Malaysia's missing plane?PreviousLatest


Science reporter, BBC News

Research team test photonics-based coherent radar system

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The new laser system could send live cockpit video as well as pinpoint a plane's
precise location As the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight intensifies, a
new advanced radar system has been unveiled by scientists. But could it spot the
plane?The world's first photonic radar was tested at Pisa Airport in Italy and
achieved "world-class" performance, according to an independent expert.

It uses lasers to produce high fidelity signals that pinpoint planes precisely.

But there are doubts over its range, say researchers in Nature journal.

Could it really have followed flight MH370 as it veered off its route from Kuala
Lumpur to Beijing - possibly travelling far out over the southern Indian Ocean
where search teams are now investigating sightings of possible debris?

Today's radar networks track planes via a combination of ground stations and
satellites - as this guide explains.

Normal aircraft tracking

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73552000/gif/_73552365_boeing777_malaysianflight_624gr_v3.gif

Graphic: How planes can be tracked
The new PhoDiR (Photonics-based fully digital radar) system is a working prototype
for next-generation radars - designed to let pilots and air traffic control exchange
far more information in a single signal.

Photonic systems promise:

Higher precision - less noise (interference) in the radar transmission
Higher bandwidth - able to transmit cockpit data (eg critical flight systems) as well as location data, simultaneously
Greater flexibility - more frequencies available
Smaller antennas - cheaper, lighter and more portable
PhoDiR was developed by Paolo Ghelfi and colleagues at Italy's National Laboratory of Photonic Networks.


National Laboratory of Photonic Networks, Italy

To test their radar, they put it on the roof of their lab - and pointed it at planes
taking off from nearby Pisa Airport.

"It was even more precise than we expected. We detected airplanes much farther
away than we expected, with even higher precision," he told BBC Radio 4's Inside Science.

"We're still trying to find out exactly how much better it is than conventional radar.
It's only a prototype - we don't have clear numbers yet."

The compact system could potentially be installed on aircraft, and has a very large
bandwidth - allowing pilots to transmit detailed information directly to ground
stations within range.

"In future, we imagine a system on an airplane that can scan objects around but
also communicate what's happening in the cockpit - what has been said,
movements in the airplane, everything," Dr Ghelfi told BBC News.

"One could imagine transmitting live streaming video, together with the radar
surveillance data. The advantage would be that a single system can do the entire
job, instead of multiple systems."

Map of MH370 information

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73702000/gif/_73702343__73696346_malaysian_airliner_search_624map_debris.gif

Experts say photonic radar can overcome some of the limitations of current
electronic systems.A laser produces a finely-tuned digital signature, which is
converted into a radio frequency wave and transmitted from the radar antenna.

The returning wave is also converted via laser into a digital signal free from "jitter".

"Because the light is very precise, so is the radio frequency signal," said Prof David
Stupples, an expert on radar systems at City University in London.

"Currently we produce the carrier wave using electronics. But then you've got to
transport it up to the radar head through expensive, heavy cabling - and this
creates noise in the system.

"But if you use light - with fibre optics - it is cheaper, lighter and crucially - it has
less interference. It's very accurate."


The BBC's Richard Westcott takes a look at the gadgets used to track a plane in
flight

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Jason McKinney, of the US Naval Research Laboratory, said the performance of the
system's transmitter and return signal converter were "world-class with respect to
those of other photonics-based devices".

"These elements... are appealing components for future frequency-agile, software-
defined radar architectures," he wrote in a commentary in Nature.

The main limitation on the system, he says, is range. It's not clear how a photonic
ground radar could cover any greater swathe of ocean than current coastal stations.

Dr Ghelfi agrees. "Over oceans you might still depend on satellite capacity," he told BBC News.

And for this reason, the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 would likely evade
PhoDiR too - assuming it has taken a path across the Indian Ocean.

Rather than hunting planes over seas, the new system would be much more useful
over land - benefiting European air traffic control for instance, the researchers suggest.

In highly-congested airspaces - such as above London's Heathrow Airport - pilots
will know precisely how much breathing space they have.

But the photonic system could also have applications beyond air traffic control.

It could be used more widely in surveillance and wireless communications. Dr
Stupples even suggests it could help motorway drivers to avoid collisions in fast-
moving traffic.

"We are putting all these radar systems into a single small chip - low-cost with
multiple functionalities," said Dr Ghelfi.

"But it will not be something that you will see right away - we are in the range of
years and not of months."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26665305

[SilentFeathers]

Out of sight, out of mind.......they may as well be searching for penguins in Antarctica.

Australia says suspected plane debris may have sunk (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140321)

also; notice they've directed this, in my opinion, "final" search location, to the farthest and most remote place on Earth that this jet could of possibly flown - and away from all civilization?

[Hervé]

Soooo...

That was/is a BIG problem, right?

And then, there's that BIG international reaction, right?

So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

[Gardener]

AZ---->So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

Solution?

Chip everyone flying anywhere?

Idk

Not everything sinks
500 seat cushions?

[SilentFeathers]

AZ---->So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

Solution?

Chip everyone flying anywhere?

Idk

Not everything sinks
500 seat cushions?

We'll see the UN make a move on a few solutions to this event, they probably drew the paperwork up for it years ago and blew the dust off of it on March 7th.

[Roisin]

Based on the super-sensible information I received 4 days ago, the plane didn't fly south, but in a northerly direction where it ended up in a country like kazakhstan or close to it.

It came in the form of a very lucid dream I had on the morning of March 17th.

Here's that dream exactly as I typed it out in notepad. Still was basically half asleep when I typed it out hence the typo's:

a smallish old teal with white stripe plane parked next to an airliner
other planes were parked there too.


the land was flat...

when I got to the plane, kids were looking at it and were
just getting out of the cockpit. It was my plane so I was
worried they were going to damage the plane. One of the
kids was female wearing a winter coat and a scarf..

Looked at an air-vent in back of the plane and saw a milky
coffee like liquid seeping out of it

went to the side of the plane and lifted up a opening like
a fair trailer that sells hot dogs or a food concession stand/trailer

the airport where the plane was at was near or affiliatied with
a university. it was a small airport. I was a flight student

Then I see someone riding a bike chained to a baby carrage
that was chained to the plane. I'm riding the bike pulling everything
down a runway.

Then I'm giving the plane a whirl and flying it off that runway
that was located near a water body.

Will post a screenshot of the notepad file and timestamp of that dream including an interpretation... a little later.

Note: the color of the flag of Kazakhstan is teal.
Pay attention to the "B's" i.e. bike, bicycle, baby carriage.
If the plane flew north, it flew past Bangladesh, Bhutane and maybe Burma. These country's are a cluster located in same region on the path to Kazakhstan.

More in a bit....
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http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/march17scrnshot2.jpg (http://s932.photobucket.com/user/A99_x/media/march17scrnshot2.jpg.html)

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http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/kazakhstanflag.jpg (http://s932.photobucket.com/user/A99_x/media/kazakhstanflag.jpg.html)

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Interpretation 1


The plane either flew into one of the "B" countries to refuel OR they (who ever was flying the plane) communicated to one of them along the way to Kazakhstan.
Once again... that teal plane was "connected" to 2 "B" county's along its northerly route as indicated by the bike and the baby carriage that was connected to that teal plane.

The teal plane was next to a large white airliner at that airport. The while airliner could have been the Malaysian airliner in that dream. It's sitting at a small airport in Kazakhstan OR was at an airport there for awhile before it took off again to some unknown location.

It stopped there for food too as indicated in the dream by the way the side of that smaller plane had that roller opening on the side of it.. like a food concession stand trailer one finds at county fairs.

The girl who got out of that smaller plane after looking at it was either dressed for cold weather or was Muslim... or both.... as indicated by what she was wearing i.e. scarf around head and longish coat.

Anyway, didn't post about this lucid dream until now because no one would take it seriously because everyone here has been fixated on the Indian Ocean outside of Australia... but I'm not getting that information.


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Also, a day before they came out with the news that they think they saw some debris in the Indian Ocean. an image of a google search page showing a small thumbnail of an airliner wreckage popped into my mind out of nowhere. But I think it popped into my mind like that to indicate than another news story was going to come out about another sighting of debris on the ocean just like that previous debris sighting that China broadcasted about a week or so ago that turned out to be a dud.

In this case too.... wrt to debris being seen outside of Australia, nothing was found once they investigated that area of the Indian Ocean.

PS --- the lucid dream connects to that inner eye vision I had on March 11th because the plane in that vision flew UP and that could have also meant that the plane flew north. I think my sources might have given me that lucid dream 4 days ago to reiterate to me that the plane flew north... not south. But they could have flown south after they stopped in Kazakhstan.

[panopticon]

Out of sight, out of mind.......they may as well be searching for penguins in Antarctica.

Australia says suspected plane debris may have sunk (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140321)

also; notice they've directed this, in my opinion, "final" search location, to the farthest and most remote place on Earth that this jet could of possibly flown - and away from all civilization?

First off in Oz the images have been reported as possibly being wreckage from MH370 but equally likely being sea containers that fell off a freighter. There's all sorts of objects floating in the Indian Ocean Gyre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_Gyre) (check out the other oceans too (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyre)) and just because the Mad Monk (Tony Abbott) stands up in parliament and dribbles some rubbish to distract from an embarrassment in relation to one of his ministers doesn't make it real. Then bloody Truss reckons the flotsam might have sunk to the bottom of the ocean... Yeah, for our international friends, Warren Truss shouldn't be left to tie his own shoes so don't take his word as Gospel on anything.

Next, the area they are searching is huge and there is no way they can be sure of the water currents speed/direction without dropping trackers so they can project the flotsams present location. They only dropped those yesterday so have to wait at least a day to get a good indication of where they should be looking. The location in the satellite image is in the roaring 40's and the weather can get pretty serious in the Indian Ocean at that latitude:


The winds that cut across the sea are not slowed down by any land mass, which allow gusts to create waves taller than six metres and higher.

Sailors used to frequently take advantage of the conditions off Perth's coastline, but now most ships avoid the area. Global shipping routes have been redirected to head toward Asia or Europe to avoid these latitudes.

In the treacherous part of the south Indian Ocean where the search is underway, the average depths of the waters are well over 4000 metres. Combined with the strong currents of the sea, the possibility of finding any debris shrinks with every passing moment.
Source (http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22094378/treacherous-seas-in-search-for-mh370-known-as-roaring-forties/)
Couldn't have picked a worse place to try and find a 24 metre bit of flotsam...

The Mad Monk swore that he wouldn't stop until he'd found the flotsam so there ya have it. Tony ta tha rescue.

-- Pan

[SilentFeathers]

Forever what reasons, they are in the process of conditioning the masses to accept this thing is lost, likely forever due to it's extremely secluded location. (The "shut it down" process has begun) They'll probably start to coax the family members to go home etc etc etc.

Tomorrow is 322, they'll likely make a bizarre announcement or something bizarre may happen tomorrow pertaining to this event.....that is; if it can actually get any more "bizarre" than it already is.

[panopticon]

Reference for anyone interested in the Southern search area (Southern Indian Ocean region off SW Western Australian coast):

Sea Temperatures & Currents (http://www.bom.gov.au/oceanography/forecasts/)
Marine Wind Forecast (www.bom.gov.au/marine/wind.shtml)
Weather and Wave Forecast (www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/viewer/index.shtml?domain=combinedW&type=sigWaveHgt)

Sea surface temperatures last week:

http://www.bom.gov.au/difacs/IDX0946.gif?20140317000955

Image source (http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDX0946.shtml)

-- Pan

[araucaria]

Forever what reasons, they are in the process of conditioning the masses to accept this thing is lost, likely forever due to it's extremely secluded location. (The "shut it down" process has begun) They'll probably start to coax the family members to go home etc etc etc.

Tomorrow is 322, they'll likely make a bizarre announcement or something bizarre may happen tomorrow pertaining to this event.....that is; if it can actually get any more "bizarre" than it already is.
And yet they are claiming that they are still looking to find passengers alive...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/missing-malaysia-flight-mh370-authorities-say-indian-ocean-search-remains-focused-on-finding-passengers-alive-9207016.html

[Ruby L.]

Another witness report to MH370's whereabouts?

Malaysian woman claims to have seen missing MH370 in the water near Andaman Islands on day it disappeared

- Latife Dalelah said she saw aircraft-shaped object on Kuala Lumpur flight
- She told an air stewardess what she'd seen, but was told to get some sleep
- A pilot said she would have been too high up to identify a plane in water

As aircraft and ships continued to search for debris which might be that of the missing flight MH370 on Friday, a Malaysian woman on a flight across the Indian Ocean claimed to have seen an aircraft in the water near the Andaman Islands on the day the jet disappeared.

The Kuala Lumpur wife was so convinced about what she saw at 2.30pm on March 8, several hours after MH370 vanished, that she filed an official report with police that very day - a full five days before the search for the plane was expanded to the area around the Andaman Islands.

News of her apparent sighting came as a blank was drawn after two days of searching in the Indian Ocean for two objects deemed by experts as possibly being from the missing plane.

JUST HOW CREDIBLE ARE MRS DALELAH'S CLAIMS?
Many will warn against dismissing Mrs Dalelah's claims too quickly.
The islands do lie across a route MH370 could have taken after radar contact was lost and it would easily have been able to reach them before Mrs Dalelah's sighting at 2.30pm.

After its transponder was turned off at 1.21am on March 8 the plane, with enough fuel to last 2,500 miles, turned west, following an established route towards India.
An ephemeral satellite ping registered at 8.11am suggested the plane was heading in one of two directions - south to where the potential debris was spotted, or north into China and central Asia.

The Andaman Islands lie 890 miles to the north-west of Kuala Lumpur, well within range.

Officials still haven't ruled out MH370 being found in a northerly location, with aircraft and ships renewing their search in the Andaman Sea between India and Thailand on Friday.

Her account will be seen by many as having credibility as the islands lie within the northern corridor officials speculated that the plane might have travelled along after radar contact was lost.

However, Mrs Dalelah said she had received scorn about her account, including from a pilot who said the aircraft she was on would have been too high for her to have seen anything on the ocean below.

But mother of 10 Mrs Latife Dalelah, 53, insisted she saw a silver object in the shape of an aircraft on the water as she was flying from Jeddah to Kuala Lumpur. It was about an hour after her aircraft had flown past the southern Indian city of Chennai.

'Throughout the journey I was staring out of the window of the aircraft as I couldn't sleep during the flight,' she told the New Straits Times.

The in-flight monitor showed that her plane was crossing the Indian Ocean and she had seen several shipping liners and islands - before she saw the silvery object. 'I took a closer look and was shocked to see what looked like the tail and wing of an aircraft on the water,' she said.
'I woke my friends on the flight but they laughed me off,' she added.

The same reaction has come from a pilot who questioned how anyone flying at about seven miles above sea level could see anything like a boat or ship from so high up.

But Mrs Dalelah insisted to the paper: 'I know what I saw. I am convinced that I saw the aircraft. I will not lie. I had just returned from my pilgrimage.'

A large part of what she thought was an aircraft was submerged, she said. When she tried to tell an air stewardess what she had seen, she was told to get some sleep.

When her plane landed at Kuala Lumpur at about 4pm on that Saturday she told her children what she had seen. 'That is when they told me that MH370 had gone missing,' she told the paper.

'My son-in-law, a policeman, was convinced that I had seen an aircraft and asked me to lodge a police report the same day.

'Many of my friends on the flight doubted me at first, but they are beginning to believe me now that we know the plane (MH370) turned back and entered the Indian Ocean.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586013/Malaysian-woman-claims-seen-missing-MH370-water-near-Andaman-Islands-day-disappeared.html#ixzz2wc6iXNqY

[Roisin]

AZ---->So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

Solution?

Chip everyone flying anywhere?

Idk

Not everything sinks
500 seat cushions?


Just now seeing this.... who came up with the "AZ"?

What a coincidence but didn't see your post and then Silentfeather's post quoting that quote too with the AZ in it as I must have still been typing out my long post here about Kazakhstan at the same time why you guys posted your posts that's quoting that post with the "AZ" in it. Lol, am I making sense here?

Anyhoo.,... who ever came up with the "AZ" ... good work because it sorta matches Kazakhstan which is where my lucid dream indicated the plane might have flown into.... or it still could be there.. who knows?. :)

[SilentFeathers]

AZ---->So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

Solution?

Chip everyone flying anywhere?

Idk

Not everything sinks
500 seat cushions?


Just now seeing this.... who came up with the "AZ"?

What a coincidence but didn't see your post and then Silentfeather's post quoting that quote too with the AZ in it as I must have still been typing out my long post here about Kazakhstan.

Anyhoo.,... who ever came up with the "AZ" ... good work because it sorta matches Kazakhstan. :)

It was a snippet from a post by Amzer Zo.....(AZ)

[Sidney]

I would just like to throw my two cents in here. The thing is, the world is surveilled 24/7 via satellites. Billions of people are watched/recorded daily. One of the crimes against humanity (911) regardless of who or what hit those buildings, was accomplished with AIRPLANES (according to the official story).
The technology that is available to the authorities of the world is so far in advance of what we know or understand, that IMO there is absolutely no reason, that every plane on earth could not be traced. And for a huge 777 to just disappear for this long (whether or not it eventually shows up or not), is not an accident, and most likely has been a deliberate and planned event by someone much higher up than the pilots. Even if the plane is found, I will never believe any official explanation given.

Due to the extreme nature of 911 and the following war, there was every reason on earth for all planes be fitted with an indestructible gps monitoring system. It is, for me a no-brainer and this whole thing stinks to high heaven of a false flag, for whatever reason, which ultimately will lead to anything but good. I am just disgusted. Serieously:pout::doh::argue:

[Atlas]

Malaysian woman claims to have seen missing MH370 in the water

She said she had taken flight SV2058 that left Jeddah at 3:30am Saudi time (8.30am Malaysian time) and after the plane flew past the southern Indian city of Chennai, she saw something strange in the ocean. “It looked like an aeroplane,” said the mother of 10.

She said that on March 14, she lodged another police report in Sentul, hoping the Department of Civil Aviation would take her seriously. She said the aircraft had what looked like floats on its side but a large part of it was under water.


I clearly saw the time, it was about 9:30am (2:30pm Malaysian time). My son-in-law, a policeman, was convinced that I had seen an aircraft and asked me to lodge a police report the same day at Sentul police headquarters in Kuala Lumpur. My other children were afraid that I could be detained for filing a false report as we were told the aircraft had vanished somewhere in the South China Sea.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/03/21/missing-mh370-woman-reports-sighting-missing-jet.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/21/article-2586013-1C77B11A00000578-449_634x414.jpg

[Roisin]

AZ---->So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

Solution?

Chip everyone flying anywhere?

Idk

Not everything sinks
500 seat cushions?


Just now seeing this.... who came up with the "AZ"?

What a coincidence but didn't see your post and then Silentfeather's post quoting that quote too with the AZ in it as I must have still been typing out my long post here about Kazakhstan.

Anyhoo.,... who ever came up with the "AZ" ... good work because it sorta matches Kazakhstan. :)

It was a snippet from a post by Amzer Zo.....(AZ)

Whoops! didn't have my coffee yet when I post about that.... sheesh, I'm such an idiot. lol :o AZ, of course!

[Leon]

A week or so ago they showed us the max distance this plane could fly on the fuel it had on board...

Now suddenly the Aussie's think it's 2200klm's of the coast of Perth??? about 5000klm's from where it was last seen! did someone re-fuel it in mid air? or what's going on? are they trying to distract us from the real picture as per usual?

[Atlas]

Raja Dalelah claims she saw the 'aeroplane' past Chennai. Interestingly enough, there were reports of debris 200km north of Chennai some days ago:

Hyderabad, Mar 19 (http://www.coastaldigest.com/index.php/world/62946-pieces-of-aircraft-found-floating-on-andhra-coast): Pieces of what is suspected to be an aircraft were seen washed up on Andhra coast Wednesday, a Telugu television channel reported. Fishermen, who saw them floating at Kutta Gouduru beach in T.P. Gudur mandal of Nellore district in south coastal Andhra off Bay of Bengal, informed the police.

Hyderabad, Mar 19 (http://www.deccanherald.com/content/393170/andhra-officials-deny-spotting-pieces.html): Officials in Andhra Pradesh Wednesday denied TV reports that pieces of what was suspected to be an aircraft were seen near the coast. Officials in Nellore district in south coastal Andhra off the Bay of Bengal found the report by a Telugu news channel to be untrue.

The district authorities deputed some officials along with boats to Kutta Gouduru beach in T.P. Gudur mandal following reports that some fishermen saw objects resembling parts of an airplane.The fishermen had informed police, who in turn alerted district-level authorities. However, after a search in the area, it was dismissed as a rumour.

Hyderabad, Mar 20 (http://www.punemirror.in/index.aspx?page=article&sectid=4&contentid=201403202014032008284215326cf49c): A rumour that a portion of a damaged wing of a plane was found at Kotha Koduru beach in Nellore district of coastal Andhra kept the police and revenue officials on their toes for several hours on Wednesday. The TP Gudur police scoured the sea 30 kms off the coast searching for any debris but returned disappointed. Coastguard officials also swung into action, found nothing.

On Google maps:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/mh370-chennai2.jpg

[Gardener]

Roisin---->Lol, am I making sense here?
Well well! Yes it makes sense to me :) Oh and the baggage hold opens like the food van sides.......

[SilentFeathers]

Malaysian woman claims to have seen missing MH370 in the water

She said she had taken flight SV2058 that left Jeddah at 3:30am Saudi time (8.30am Malaysian time) and after the plane flew past the southern Indian city of Chennai, she saw something strange in the ocean. “It looked like an aeroplane,” said the mother of 10.

She said that on March 14, she lodged another police report in Sentul, hoping the Department of Civil Aviation would take her seriously. She said the aircraft had what looked like floats on its side but a large part of it was under water.


I clearly saw the time, it was about 9:30am (2:30pm Malaysian time). My son-in-law, a policeman, was convinced that I had seen an aircraft and asked me to lodge a police report the same day at Sentul police headquarters in Kuala Lumpur. My other children were afraid that I could be detained for filing a false report as we were told the aircraft had vanished somewhere in the South China Sea.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/03/21/missing-mh370-woman-reports-sighting-missing-jet.html

I tend to believe the Maldives sighting more than this, but who knows. Her sighting would have this thing likely in the Bay of Bengal, in one piece possibly, sinking. It would also having this woman having super-hero vision....but I've flown many times and could make certain objects out rather quite easily at 35,000ft on a very clear day. What she claims to have seen surely would of been but a speck on the landscape/water relating to my experience flying and seeing certain things at 35,000ft. I'm sure she may of seen it appear to be a certain shape though.

The first paragraph of this article is also diverting attention away from this woman's claims and puts the jet right back to where they are looking now, at the ends of the Earth.


Did MH370 crash in the Andaman Sea and then drift thousands of kilometres to the southern Indian Ocean?

Pretty strong and fast currents to carry a 777 that distance in 2 weeks!

I believe the little lady probably seen something that looked like a plane, but I doubt it was flight MH370. (but then again, the Bay of Bengal is quite huge, and no ones really searched there yet).

[syrwong]

Malaysian woman claims to have seen missing MH370 in the water

She said she had taken flight SV2058 that left Jeddah at 3:30am Saudi time (8.30am Malaysian time) and after the plane flew past the southern Indian city of Chennai, she saw something strange in the ocean. “It looked like an aeroplane,” said the mother of 10.

She said that on March 14, she lodged another police report in Sentul, hoping the Department of Civil Aviation would take her seriously. She said the aircraft had what looked like floats on its side but a large part of it was under water.


I clearly saw the time, it was about 9:30am (2:30pm Malaysian time). My son-in-law, a policeman, was convinced that I had seen an aircraft and asked me to lodge a police report the same day at Sentul police headquarters in Kuala Lumpur. My other children were afraid that I could be detained for filing a false report as we were told the aircraft had vanished somewhere in the South China Sea.



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/21/article-2586013-1C77B11A00000578-449_634x414.jpg

Ironically nowadays we have a better chance of being correct trusting the eyewitness reports from ordinary people than any government reports. Can we link the this one with the Maldives witnesses account and reconstruct the flight path? This path must be more possible than the plane is under deep ocean somewhere near Antartica.

[Gardener]

Yes it was my abreviation of Amzer Zo but don't let that deter your personal data interpretation. Its often the symbols that count, like a 'baby carriage' that is an interesting one. Someones 'baby' an object or idea which is special to someone like saying 'yes it was so and so's baby'.

[Roisin]

Roisin---->Lol, am I making sense here?
Well well! Yes it makes sense to me :) Oh and the baggage hold opens like the food van sides.......

Let me know if you "receive" any information that it may have flown north, ok?
Also, that roller door I mentioned was an absurdity in that dream meant to be interpreted. Once I lifted it up it transformed that teal plane into a concession stand. Lol.

----

A lot of strange stuff goes on in this forum. People typing the same thing at the same time etc.... weird. :behindsofa: A lot of coincidences here...

[Ruby L.]

This is the flight path for SV2058, Jeddah to Kuala Lumpur:

http://maps.google.com/maps/api/staticmap?sensor=false&visual_refresh=false&size=435x280&markers=icon:http://info.flightmapper.net/static/start-ico.png%7C21.683333,39.150000&markers=icon:http://info.flightmapper.net/static/end-ico.png%7C2.743333,101.693333&path=color:0xff0000ff%7Cweight:2%7C21.683333,39.150000%7C2.743333,101.693333&key=AIzaSyB8PviB3YtwiBKvQEO2MIMy92TnLouawmU
http://info.flightmapper.net/de/flight/Saudi_Airlines_SV_2058



She said the aircraft had what looked like floats on its side but a large part of it was under water.

The 'floats' may be the evacuation slides:
http://www.mysafetycards.com/pics/537_1.jpg

Do all Boeing 777's have the same safety features, despite serving different airlines? Like Air France's evacuation slides (above) are detachable, and also serve as dinghies/boats... Would the slides have signal transmitters on them, then?

[Atlas]

This is the flight path for SV2058, Jeddah to Kuala Lumpur
Here is another one:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/MH370-jeddah.jpg
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Here is her police report:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FHttumvhyqw/UywJo_FwL7I/AAAAAAAA9VM/gLAlGPXfsP8/s1600/laporan.jpg

[Nat_Lee]

http://imgur.com/gallery/EYx78Mo

http://i.imgur.com/EYx78Mo.png

[Roisin]

Yes it was my abreviation of Amzer Zo but don't let that deter your personal data interpretation. Its often the symbols that count, like a 'baby carriage' that is an interesting one. Someones 'baby' an object or idea which is special to someone like saying 'yes it was so and so's baby'.

That's one way of viewing it.
But because each one, the bike, the baby carriage and that teal plane were one behind the other in a single file line, each connected by cable, rope or chain, to me, that's supposed to indicate that they are all connected in some way.

Yesterday, it dawned on me, after viewing the map of those possible flight paths for that airliner, that because the word bike and baby carriage each begin with a "B" that might indicate that the plane flew northerly over Bangladesh and Bhutane... That just came to me out of the blue as if something outside of myself put that thought into my mind.

The message being... that the plane flew north and not south when it was making that turn. The other important factor was that the smaller plane that's sort of the star of the dream was teal in color... is the same color as the flag of Kazakhstan. The color of that plane seemed to shout out at me as something I needed to pay attention to.

[Ruby L.]

Hmmm...
Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it

- When asked days ago, he said it was carrying 'tonnes of mangosteens'
- Lithium-ion batteries have caused 140 mid-air incidents in last 20 years
- The devices are commonly used in mobile phones and laptops
- Classed as dangerous by The International Civil Aviation Organisation
- Reignites theory that missing flight may have crashed after on-board fire
- Aviation expert said it re-affirm belief that flames started in cargo hold
- Safety report said battery caught fire and filled the flight deck with smoke

Malaysian Airlines today confirmed that flight MH370 had been carrying highly flammable lithium-ion batteries in its cargo hold, re-igniting speculation that a fire may have caused its disappearance.

The admission by CEO Ahmad Jauhari comes four days after he denied the aircraft was carrying any dangerous items and nearly two weeks after the plane went missing.

He said the authorities were investigating the cargo, but did not regard the batteries as hazardous - despite the law dictating they are classed as such - because they were packaged according to safety regulations.

The revelation has thrown the spotlight back on the theory that the Boeing 777 may have been overcome by a fire, rendering the crew and passengers unconscious after inhaling toxic fumes.

Lithium-ion batteries - which are used in mobile phones and laptops - have been responsible for a number of fires on planes and have even brought aircraft down in recent years.

<snip>

Billie Vincent, the former head of security for the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, said the revelation re-affirmed his belief that flames started in the cargo hold, destroying the aircraft's communication systems then filling the cabin with toxic fumes.

This, he says, would have overwhelmed the passengers but may have given the pilots a chance to divert the aircraft for an emergency landing.

He told Air Traffic Management: 'The data released thus far most likely points to a problem with hazardous materials.

'This scenario begins with the eruption of hazardous materials within the cargo hold – either improperly packaged or illegally shipped – or both.'

It is thought the missing plane climbed to 45,000ft - a move Mr Vincent believes may have resulted from the pilots not being able to see the controls properly.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html#ixzz2wdLFKhQt

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If so, that brings us back to the burning plane Mike McKay, the NZ oil rig worker, possibly witnessed:
http://media.news.com.au/nnd//38883f6b16834a161e570e03da1cb918/desktop/assets/01.jpg

In his email to his employers on March 12 he (Mike McKay) claims he saw flames in the sky which quickly extinguished.
"From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds. There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary, or going away from our location," he wrote.

Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=242731:sorry-guys-i-saw-mh370-burst-into-flames-nz-oil-rig-worker&Itemid=2#ixzz2wdHIwEJ3

[Operator]

Amzer Zo- you have to be a member to listen.

Well, I "listen" to this:

Missing Malaysian Plane

At the start of the first hour, remote viewing teacher Major Ed Dames (http://learnrv.com/) shared a map (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/dames-graphic-missing-jet) which he believes shows the location of the missing Malaysian jet. He suggested that the airliner's pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, committed an act of piracy, planning to take the jet to Somalia. He ended up struggling with the co-pilot, and the plane was inadvertently downed after it went through a rapid uncontrolled decompression, said Dames.

Author Whitley Strieber (http://www.unknowncountry.com/) appeared in the first hour, sharing his theory that the missing plane didn't crash into the sea, but landed somewhere, avoiding radar detection. He posited that the goal may be for the plane to be used for a future terrorist attack, possibly loaded with nuclear materials.

Joining the show for a segment in the first hour, and part of the second hour, a pilot for a major airline, 'Charlie' (pseudonym), also offered commentary and theories about the jet. "I think it's on the ground somewhere. It probably landed somewhere first at a predestined location, where they had fuel waiting," he remarked. If the plane crashed, there would be a debris field and a merchant sea locator transmitter sending out a radio frequency signal, and an emergency locator beacon (an underwater signal), he noted.

From: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2014/03/17

The show mentioned above is available online (it was posted before by giovonni here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=811044&viewfull=1#post811044))

SM6-PhC85TE

I listened to it today. Interesting perceptions on the case ... what I may have missed, or it wasn't mentioned before in this thread,
is that the plane apparently ascended to 45000 feet for a period of time and then descended rapidly to a very low altitude.

Although the 45000 feet was doubted a bit by that 'Charlie' figure he mentioned that it was possible to shut down the compressors
from within the cockpit to depressurize the cabin and not let the oxygen masks down ... that would kill all passengers and cabin
crew in a matter of minutes. Then the plane could continue its flight undisturbed under the radar without intervening passengers or
crew members. If true/feasible this seems to be an important part of what happened. Was it discussed here yet?
(I may have missed parts of this thread)

[Atlas]

Hmmm...
Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it

I agree with your thinking. However:




These are not regarded as dangerous goods... and were packed as recommended by the International Civil Aviation Organisation. Such batteries are carried by many other airlines.
The International Air Transport Association estimates that over a billion lithium cells are flown each year. (source (http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/missing-mh370-carried-lithium-ion-batteries-cargo-not-seen-dangerous-201))

[Rocky_Shorz]

Out of sight, out of mind.......they may as well be searching for penguins in Antarctica.

Australia says suspected plane debris may have sunk (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140321)

also; notice they've directed this, in my opinion, "final" search location, to the farthest and most remote place on Earth that this jet could of possibly flown - and away from all civilization?

I just saw a tweet go by showing 2 pictures from 2 different satellites and oceans... with identical debris...



Hmmm...
Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it

I agree with your thinking. However:




These are not regarded as dangerous goods... and were packed as recommended by the International Civil Aviation Organisation. Such batteries are carried by many other airlines.
The International Air Transport Association estimates that over a billion lithium cells are flown each year. (source (http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/missing-mh370-carried-lithium-ion-batteries-cargo-not-seen-dangerous-201))

was it the batteries, or the cloaking device they were powering?

[Hervé]

[...]
http://media.news.com.au/nnd//38883f6b16834a161e570e03da1cb918/desktop/assets/01.jpg

In his email to his employers on March 12 he (Mike McKay) claims he saw flames in the sky which quickly extinguished.
"From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds. There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary, or going away from our location," he wrote.

Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=242731:sorry-guys-i-saw-mh370-burst-into-flames-nz-oil-rig-worker&Itemid=2#ixzz2wdHIwEJ3

The one above looks/sounds/seems more like a meteor.

Another blunder from Malaysian "authorities":

Signals on Radar Puzzle Officials in Hunt for Malaysian Jet (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html?_r=1)

By MICHAEL FORSYTHE and THOMAS FULLER (http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/f/thomas_fuller/index.html)MARCH 12, 2014


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Indonesian Air Force officers at a base in Medan, Indonesia, examined a map of the Strait of Malacca after a search operation. Credit Binsar Bakkara/Associated Press

SEPANG, Malaysia — After four days of reticence and evasive answers, the Malaysian military acknowledged on Wednesday that it had recorded, but initially ignored, radar signals that could have prompted a mission to intercept and track a missing jetliner — data that vastly expands the area where the plane might have traveled.

Radar signals from the location where the missing aircraft, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, was last contacted by ground controllers suggested that the plane may have turned away from its northeastward course toward Beijing, officials said. Military radar then detected an unidentified aircraft at several points, apparently headed west across the Malaysian peninsula and out into the Indian Ocean, the head of the country’s air force told reporters. The last detected location was hundreds of miles to the west of where search and rescue efforts were initially focused.

The military took no immediate action on Saturday to investigate the unidentified blips, whose path appeared to take the aircraft near the heavily populated island of Penang, and only later realized the significance of the radar readings. The search area was then expanded to take in waters west of the peninsula as well as east — encompassing almost 27,000 square nautical miles, an area bigger than South Carolina — but officials did not give a full explanation for the move.


Video|0:58

http://nyti.ms/1nMlBH9
Times Minute | The Search for Flight 370 A look at the search efforts for the Malaysia Airlines plane that vanished early Saturday morning.


Gen. Rodzali Daud, the air force chief, said the military was not certain that the radar had detected the jetliner heading west. He declined to offer another explanation for the coincidence of an unidentified blip suddenly appearing on military radar screens after Flight 370 stopped transmitting its identification signal to civilian ground controllers 40 minutes into its flight.

“Today we are still not sure that it is the same aircraft,” Hishammuddin Hussein, the country’s defense minister, told reporters. “That is why we are searching in two areas.”

Malaysia is sharing the radar data with officials from American agencies, including the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board. Spokesmen for those agencies declined to comment on Wednesday, referring inquiries to the Malaysian authorities.

If experts determine that the radar signals probably did reflect the movements of Flight 370, the search for the plane is likely to be expanded to vast new areas of the Indian Ocean. The final blip came from about 200 miles northwest of Penang at 2:15 a.m. local time on Saturday, General Rodzali said, adding that the data showed the aircraft at an altitude of 29,500 feet. That is near the missing plane’s usual cruising altitude: When its pilots were last heard from around 1:30 a.m., it was cruising at 35,000 feet. The jet, a Boeing 777, was fueled for a six-hour flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, a journey of more than 2,500 miles.

“I have no feeling for what happened to this plane,” said David Learmount, operations and safety editor at Flightglobal, a Britain-based aviation news and data service. “The number of possibilities is so massive that it’s completely pointless.”

The existence of the radar data suggests that the Malaysian authorities may have missed a chance to send military jets to intercept, identify and track the plane as it passed over the country. General Rodzali said interceptors were not scrambled because the unidentified plane appeared to be a civilian aircraft and was not seen as hostile.

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See legend in original article (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html?_r=1)

For days, official statements had put the last known contact with Flight 370 almost an hour earlier, at about 1:30 a.m. The aircraft’s transponders, which automatically transmit identifying information and some other data about the plane, including altitude, apparently ceased to function at 1:21 a.m.; after that, radar screens would show the plane only as an unidentified blip. Certain weather conditions, and even flocks of birds, can occasionally cause radar blips that may be mistaken for aircraft.

An American aviation official noted that the statement from Malaysian officials on Wednesday indicated that they were still searching for the plane on both sides of the peninsula. If the plane did turn west as the radar blips suggest, the official said, there would be no reason to keep searching on the eastern side.

Even so, two United States destroyers, the Kidd and the Pinckney, continued to patrol the eastern waters, along with ships from China, Malaysia, Vietnam and other countries. In all, 42 ships and 39 aircraft from at least 12 countries are taking part in the search operations, according to Mr. Hishammuddin, who is also Malaysia’s acting transportation minister.

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See legend in original article (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html?_r=1)

“The Gulf of Thailand is pretty much saturated at this point,” said Cmdr. William Marks, the spokesman for the United States Seventh Fleet. “We’re now going over the same areas.”

A Chinese state science agency posted satellite photographs on its website on Wednesday that appeared to show three large objects floating in the South China Sea off Vietnam, not far from the aircraft’s planned flight path; the agency said the images were taken on Sunday. It was not clear whether they had any significance for the search. In recent days, a number of reports have emerged of possible debris from the plane in the Gulf of Thailand or the South China Sea, but on closer inspection, the objects — including an oil slick, a wooden raft and the lid of a large crate — have been found to be unrelated.

An American military official discounted the Chinese images, saying that United States satellites would have seen the object and did not. It was unlikely, the official added, that a large piece of the aircraft would be floating, and in any case, its location was in a high-traffic area near the many ships and aircraft searching for the missing jetliner.

“I cannot possibly believe that image is a valid image,”’ the official said.

The Malaysian government has come under fire for releasing incomplete and sometimes inaccurate or contradictory information about the aircraft and the progress of the search. When news of the military radar traces surfaced on Tuesday in a Malaysian newspaper article quoting General Rodzali, other senior officials denied the report.

Though Malaysia generally has good relations with China, the home country of most of the passengers on the missing plane, the confusion and crossed signals are drawing increasing criticism from there. The Global Times, a nationalist-leaning Chinese newspaper controlled by the Communist Party, published a commentary on Wednesday taking Malaysia to task for failing to release information in a timely and reliable manner. Dozens of Chinese reporters are in Kuala Lumpur, the Malaysian capital, looking for answers, as are many relatives of passengers.

“Malaysia’s grave inconsistencies on this vital information cannot but be a devastating blow to the outside world’s confidence in its core role in search and rescue,” The Global Times said.

Reporting was contributed by Keith Bradsher and Chris Buckley from Hong Kong, Patrick Zuo from Beijing, and Eric Schmitt and Matthew L. Wald from Washington.

[Atlas]

was it the batteries, or the cloaking device they were powering?

I think the lithium ion batteries are used to power small electronics goods. I am not sure if they could be use to power a cloaking device but I don't see a need for a cloaking device at this stage anyway.

[Hervé]

[...]

I listened to it today. Interesting perceptions on the case ... what I may have missed, or it wasn't mentioned before in this thread,
is that the plane apparently ascended to 45000 feet for a period of time and then descended rapidly to a very low altitude.

Although the 45000 feet was doubted a bit by that 'Charlie' figure he mentioned that it was possible to shut down the compressors
from within the cockpit to depressurize the cabin and not let the oxygen masks down ... that would kill all passengers and cabin
crew in a matter of minutes. Then the plane could continue its flight undisturbed under the radar without intervening passengers or
crew members. If true/feasible this seems to be an important part of what happened. Was it discussed here yet?
(I may have missed parts of this thread)

Nope!

But if that's the case, then that plane was "droned" somewhere out of prying eyes; electronic or others.

[Atlas]

The final 54 minutes of communication from MH370:

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1094577-mh370-transcript.html#document/p1

Analysts said the sequence of messages appeared to be “perfectly routine”. However two features, they said, stand out as potentially odd.

The first was a message delivered by the cockpit at 1.07am, saying that the plane was flying at a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet. This message was unnecessary as it repeated a call that had already been delivered six minutes earlier.

But this message occurred at a crucial moment in the plane’s flight history: it was at 1.07am that the plane’s ACARS signalling device sent its last message before being disabled during the next 30 minutes, apparently deliberately. A transponder signalling device was disabled at 1.21am but investigators believe the ACARS was shut down before Hamid’s final farewell message.

The other odd feature, which is one of the reasons for suspicions that the plane’s disappearance was deliberate, was that its loss of communications and subsequent sharp turn westward occurred during the handover from air traffic controllers in Kuala Lumpur to those in Ho Chi Minh City.

“If I was going to steal the aeroplane, that would be the point I would do it,” said Stephen Buzdygan, a former British Airways pilot who piloted Boeing 777s. “There might be a bit of dead space between the air traffic controllers… It was the only time during the flight they would maybe not have been able to be seen from the ground.”

The fresh details of the communications add to the speculation over of the fate of MH370 - whether it was the victim of a sudden accident or a hijacking; the transcript also suggests that if the pilots were involved in a plot they were very careful to hide their true intentions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10714907/Revealed-the-final-54-minutes-of-communication-from-MH370.html

[Hervé]

Aaahhh... here it is!

Found my kitchen sink:

Malaysia Airlines and the case of the missing legs (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/12/malaysia-airlines-and-the-case-of-the-missing-legs/)
By Terri Rupar March 12 at 2:32 pm

Or maybe it's the case of the extra legs?

The photos circulated Tuesday of the two Iranians who got on the missing Malaysia Airlines flight showed two men with different bags, different T-shirts and the same pair of legs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2014/03/04119845-1024x958.jpg
(Azhar Rahim/EPA)

The New Straits Times reports (http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-police-deny-iranian-photos-altered-1.509482) that Malaysian police said there was no purposeful doctoring of the photographs -- the photo of one man was simply placed on top of the photo of the other when they were photocopied.

"It was not done with malice or to mislead," police spokeswoman Asmawati Ahmad said.

But as my colleague Simon Denyer reported Wednesday morning from Beijing, there have been a lot of contradictory reports coming from officials about Flight 370 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/12/contradictory-statements-from-malaysia-over-missing-airliner-perplex-infuriate/). It's not even the first confusing information about the two men who boarded the flights with stolen passports -- Malaysia's home minister said they looked Asian, but its civil aviation chief said they absolutely weren't. A Chinese newspaper questioned (http://opinion.huanqiu.com/editorial/2014-03/4897130.html) whether the Malaysia military was purposefully hiding information. And, of course, people on Twitter questioned whether there was something more nefarious behind the extra/missing legs.

There's no indication that the repeated legs were anything more than an error, but the image certainly doesn't contradict the idea that the investigation has been full of confusion.

Here's the latest from Kuala Lumpur on the search for the jet. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/malaysia-aircraft-mystery-may-hinge-on-unidentified-radar-path/2014/03/12/334edf74-a9d2-11e3-8599-ce7295b6851c_story.html?hpid=z3)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Malaysian woman claims to have seen missing MH370 in the water

She said she had taken flight SV2058 that left Jeddah at 3:30am Saudi time (8.30am Malaysian time) and after the plane flew past the southern Indian city of Chennai, she saw something strange in the ocean. “It looked like an aeroplane,” said the mother of 10.

She said that on March 14, she lodged another police report in Sentul, hoping the Department of Civil Aviation would take her seriously. She said the aircraft had what looked like floats on its side but a large part of it was under water.


I clearly saw the time, it was about 9:30am (2:30pm Malaysian time). My son-in-law, a policeman, was convinced that I had seen an aircraft and asked me to lodge a police report the same day at Sentul police headquarters in Kuala Lumpur. My other children were afraid that I could be detained for filing a false report as we were told the aircraft had vanished somewhere in the South China Sea.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/03/21/missing-mh370-woman-reports-sighting-missing-jet.html

I tend to believe the Maldives sighting more than this, but who knows. Her sighting would have this thing likely in the Bay of Bengal, in one piece possibly, sinking. It would also having this woman having super-hero vision....but I've flown many times and could make certain objects out rather quite easily at 35,000ft on a very clear day. What she claims to have seen surely would of been but a speck on the landscape/water relating to my experience flying and seeing certain things at 35,000ft. I'm sure she may of seen it appear to be a certain shape though.

The first paragraph of this article is also diverting attention away from this woman's claims and puts the jet right back to where they are looking now, at the ends of the Earth.


Did MH370 crash in the Andaman Sea and then drift thousands of kilometres to the southern Indian Ocean?

Pretty strong and fast currents to carry a 777 that distance in 2 weeks!

I believe the little lady probably seen something that looked like a plane, but I doubt it was flight MH370. (but then again, the Bay of Bengal is quite huge, and no ones really searched there yet).

if the plane was below flying at 5000 feet, it would look like it was sitting on the water from 30,000 feet above...

[Roisin]

What would be the reasons why those who have been in charge of locating that
airliner would want it NOT to be found?

[ParakeetMGP]

I get the idea that this was not just in the Airliner alone by a few, but a larger operation doing the Hijacking, but outside sources that were accomplices to this Heist. I don't understand the Politics. (It goes over my head), but I just see what is more consistent and not consistent for this Heist. What makes more sense to me anyway. Where the plane would land has the accomplices of others working this operation out.

[Sidney]

Im sorry but the doctored photos of the guys with the same legs speaks VOLUMES.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hello, can you say FRAUD.?????????????????ARGG

[Rocky_Shorz]

"the “highly suspicious” cargo retrieved by the US from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that had been “disappeared” to one of the United States most secretive bases in the Indian Ocean, Diego Garcia, was flown this past week to the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico where it was then destroyed in a “massive fireball.”

The GRU had previously, on 14 March, reported their “puzzlement” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” this Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to the Diego Garcia atoll, an assessment that has subsequently been verified by radar tracks showing the mysterious US military flights moving about this aircraft immediately prior to its “disappearance.”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9Nnxt0D_I

"Flight 370, it is important to note, was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama was that within 24-hours of its off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

After this “highly suspicious” cargo was off loaded from MV Maersk Alabama, on 17 February, the GRU reported it was then transferred to Seychelles International Airport where it was loaded on an Emirates flight bound for Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia, after first stopping over in Dubai, where it was subsequently loaded onto Flight 370 on 8 March for its scheduled flight to Beijing.

The GRU further reported, on 16 March, that after Flight 370’s “diversion” it was “nearly immediately” followed by some of the top disease scientists and experts from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CCDCP) embarking to Diego Garcia on at least four flights.

On 18 March, this new GRU report says, this “highly suspicious” cargo was flown from Diego Garcia to the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico where it was destroyed in a 19 March explosion so massive it stunned the residents of this region due to the massive plume of smoke [photo 2nd left] Russian munitions experts speculate was caused by US military-grade Thermate (a variation of thermite) devices.

Important to note, this report says, is that the US appears to have been planning this operation involving Flight 370 since this “highly suspicious” cargo was first offloaded in the Republic of Seychelles on 17 February, as three days later, 20 February, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) placed an order for 1,200 sets of Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) single use overgarments which are meant to protect the wearer from radiological contamination in the form of radiological particulates.

These PPE suits, which include hoods and boots, this report says, were delivered to the DTRA at their location on Kirtland Air Force Base, located in New Mexico, where they are tasked with protecting the United States against weapons of mass destruction.

Equally important to note, this report continues, is that the US Department of Health and Human Services, on 6 December, ordered 14 million 65 mg doses of Potassium Iodide, the standard treatment protocol for someone exposed to high levels of radiation, to be delivered to them by the end of January 2014.

As to the US-Chinese connection regarding the “highly suspicious” cargo aboard Flight 370 this report does not say, but does note that is of such concern that President Obama dispatched his wife to China as his “personal emissary” and stunned the American media by refusing to allow any reporters to accompany her... Sorcha's confirmation to Worldwide agents the package has been destroyed... (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1756.htm)

How many have known, there is much more to this story since the beginning...

[panopticon]

Malaysian woman claims to have seen missing MH370 in the water

She said she had taken flight SV2058 that left Jeddah at 3:30am Saudi time (8.30am Malaysian time) and after the plane flew past the southern Indian city of Chennai, she saw something strange in the ocean. “It looked like an aeroplane,” said the mother of 10.

She said that on March 14, she lodged another police report in Sentul, hoping the Department of Civil Aviation would take her seriously. She said the aircraft had what looked like floats on its side but a large part of it was under water.


I clearly saw the time, it was about 9:30am (2:30pm Malaysian time). My son-in-law, a policeman, was convinced that I had seen an aircraft and asked me to lodge a police report the same day at Sentul police headquarters in Kuala Lumpur. My other children were afraid that I could be detained for filing a false report as we were told the aircraft had vanished somewhere in the South China Sea.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2014/03/21/missing-mh370-woman-reports-sighting-missing-jet.html

I tend to believe the Maldives sighting more than this, but who knows. Her sighting would have this thing likely in the Bay of Bengal, in one piece possibly, sinking. It would also having this woman having super-hero vision....but I've flown many times and could make certain objects out rather quite easily at 35,000ft on a very clear day. What she claims to have seen surely would of been but a speck on the landscape/water relating to my experience flying and seeing certain things at 35,000ft. I'm sure she may of seen it appear to be a certain shape though.

The first paragraph of this article is also diverting attention away from this woman's claims and puts the jet right back to where they are looking now, at the ends of the Earth.


Did MH370 crash in the Andaman Sea and then drift thousands of kilometres to the southern Indian Ocean?

Pretty strong and fast currents to carry a 777 that distance in 2 weeks!

I believe the little lady probably seen something that looked like a plane, but I doubt it was flight MH370. (but then again, the Bay of Bengal is quite huge, and no ones really searched there yet).

if the plane was below flying at 5000 feet, it would look like it was sitting on the water from 30,000 feet above...

This is over 12 hours after the flight took off from Malaysia.

-- Pan

[Rocky_Shorz]

since the flight was being controlled remotely, it was quite easy to arrange an in flight fill up...

what is the time range to fly over the Maldive Island it was seen over then down to Diego Garcia?

with the number of 111 and 1111s I saw leading up to the disappearance, the blue dude popping in and saying he was unwinding the nuclear war, then disappeared...

I have a feeling Sorcha is the closest to the truth of what just happened...

[panopticon]

since the flight was being controlled remotely, it was quite easy to arrange an in flight fill up...


Is there any evidence that flight MH370 had the modifications required for it to refuel mid-flight?

-- Pan

[mojo]

A Rabbi named Glazerson whom interprets codes in the Torah has uncovered some intriguing codes and one recently on Flight 370. The words, Malaysian, Plane, Missing, the Year and the Month were found in tight cluster with one other word Stolen.

kteHlTCEjqE

[kirolak]

Just a daft idea - what if everyone on board was complicit in this? They all seemed to be very special people, with special vocations. . .? Perhaps to prevent something dreadful in the technological line being unleashed? And they decided to "disappear" & start new, safe lives somewhere?

[Rocky_Shorz]

did it have enough fuel to make it to DG without a tap off?

most likely, it landed in the Maldives just like the drug dealers jumbo jet did last summer.

the low flying jet making all the noise in the Maldives, might have just taken off from refueling...

........

I'm curious, on the Passenger list (http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest.pdf) I saw a Russian who turned out to be Jewish listed on the manifest.

I did a search and found out he had his mind changed by his Jewish Travel agent to not take #flight370

why is he listed on a flight manifest if he didn't check in?

did someone else check in under his name and passport?

amazing coincidence, or another piece to the missing puzzle...

[Referee]

Rev. Michelle Hopkins....


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[SilentFeathers]

It's 3-22 today, the ritual day for some. they may announce they found this thing today to validate the loss and to put it to bed so to speak.

on 322 they find the 777.

(just a guess)

More Satellite Images May Show Debris From Missing Jet (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/22/292778260/chinese-satellite-images-show-new-floating-objects)

I must add, this "new floating" object they say is 42ft by 74ft.....once again I must say it is hard for me to imagine a chuck of a 777 this large being able to float, especially for 2 weeks or more.

[Roisin]

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/s1reutersmedianet.jpg (http://s932.photobucket.com/user/A99_x/media/s1reutersmedianet.jpg.html)

"Family members of passengers onboard Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 raise their fists as they shout ''return our families'' to protest against the lack of new information after a routine briefing given by Malaysia's government and military representatives at Lido Hotel in Beijing March 22, 2014."
source: Reuters

[SilentFeathers]

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/s1reutersmedianet.jpg (http://s932.photobucket.com/user/A99_x/media/s1reutersmedianet.jpg.html)

"Family members of passengers onboard Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 raise their fists as they shout ''return our families'' to protest against the lack of new information after a routine briefing given by Malaysia's government and military representatives at Lido Hotel in Beijing March 22, 2014."
source: Reuters

I can't imagine what these people must be going through mentally and emotionally, but hanging out at this hotel etc is starting to be a waste of time. Many have probably lost their jobs, have bills that need to be paid etc etc. Pretty messed up situation for sure!

[panopticon]

Article from Aunty on the new image from a Chinese satellite showing debris in a region near the earlier report.

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Chinese satellites spot new possible debris from missing plane (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-22/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-debris-china-satellites/5339092)
By China correspondent Stephen McDonell in Kuala Lumpur, wire

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5339142-3x2-700x467.jpg

Chinese satellite images have detected a large object in the ocean that could be part of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, Malaysian authorities have said.

Malaysia's transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein said objects were spotted floating in the southern search area in the Indian Ocean.

"Chinese ships have been dispatched to the area. Beijing is expected to make an announcement in a few hours," Mr Hussein told reporters at a briefing in Kuala Lumpur.

In a later press statement, Malaysia's transport ministry clarified that there was one "suspected" object with an estimated size of 22.5 metres by 13 metres.

Attached coordinates suggested it was in roughly the same area of remote ocean as two possible objects spotted on satellite images taken on March 16 and released by the Australian Government on Thursday.

Chinese state television later released a copy of the undated, grainy satellite image.

China's Xinhua news agency said the object was spotted 120 kilometres from those spotted by Australia.

Australian and US spotter planes have been scouring the area for the past three days, but without finding any sign of the suspected wreckage.

Search to continue 'indefinitely': Acting PM Truss

The development comes after Acting Prime Minister Warren Truss said the Australian-led search in seas off Western Australia's coast would continue "indefinitely".

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) is coordinating the hunt in the vast southern search corridor for the jet that went missing two weeks ago with 239 passengers on board.

Searching on Friday focused on a 36,000 square kilometre area of wild and remote sea almost 2,500 kilometres south-west of Perth.

Three RAAF P3 Orion aircraft, a New Zealand P3 Orion and two long-range commercial jets were involved in the search.

Two of the five planes have returned empty-handed. The last of the planes is expected to return to Perth about midnight local time (3:00am AEDT).

The search will resume at first light, with extra planes and boats expected to join in.

Earlier, AMSA said two merchant ships were in the area together with the Australian naval vessel HMAS Success, which is capable of picking up any wreckage.

A total of six merchant ships have participated in the search since a shipping broadcast was issued by the AMSA on Monday evening.

Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-22/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-debris-china-satellites/5339092)

[panopticon]

Article from Xinhuanet.com on satellite image in previous post.

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Chinese satellite spots suspicious MH370-linked object (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-03/22/c_133206426.htm)
English.news.cn 22nd of March 2014, 18:50:58

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-03/22/133206426_13954862988041n.jpg
Photo source: Xinhua / State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense

BEIJING, March 22 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese satellite imagery shows a 22-meter-long, 13-meter-wide object in the southern Indian Ocean, the State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (SASTIND) said Saturday.

Captured by the high-definition earth observation satellite "Gaofen-1" at around 12 a.m. on March 18 Beijing Time, the imagery spotted the object at 44 degrees, 57 minutes south latitude, and 90 degrees, 13 minutes east longitude, in the southern Indian Ocean, the SASTIND said.

The location of the suspicious object is along the southern corridor missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 might have taken, and about 120 km south by west from the location of a suspicious object Australia found before.

Source (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-03/22/c_133206426.htm)

[ghostrider]

Okay you remote viewers around the world , here is your chance , find the missing plane ... the world is counting on you ...

[panopticon]

So if this new object is the same object as the other day then it travelled 120 km in 2 days. This would indicate that it may have travelled around a further 250 km from the latest image coordinates (though that depends on current and wind direction/speed).

Here are the 2 satellite images to compare:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5335064-3x2-940x627.jpg
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-03/22/133206426_13954862988041n.jpg

There's also a report of a possible sighting, from one of the civilian planes participating in the search, of a debris field with a radius of about 5 km. The Orion that went into the same area was unable to locate this field. They'll return tomorrow when it's daylight from what has been reported here. Probably flotsam off a freighter (who knows what goodies they'd find if they opened an old sea container) but one never knows, do one.

-- Pan

[Cidersomerset]

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22 March 2014 Last updated at 12:59

plane search: China checks new 'debris' image


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China is investigating a new satellite image of debris in the southern Indian Ocean,
potentially from missing flight MH370, Malaysian officials say.Malaysia's acting
transport minister read out the news as he was handed it during his daily briefing.

The new image is from 18 March, two days after initial satellite pictures of possible
debris, and shows an object 22m by 13m, 120km from the first site.

Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March carrying 239 people.

Malaysian officials suspect the plane, en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, was
deliberately taken off course.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73747000/jpg/_73747106_250eda90-2fd2-4614-99be-ce5b16380392.jpg

read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26697048

[panopticon]

Latest report on search from AMSA (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/index.asp):

http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/23032014_Media_Release_Update10MH370.pdf

-- Pan

Image from AMSA (for reference) of location of sighted flotsam in above release.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=25332&d=1395534902

[Agape]

I really recommend to you to read ( or better listen ) to this old Japanese fairytale and time travel account called

'The Story of Urashima Taro' (http://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/72/japanese-fairy-tales/4881/the-story-of-urashima-taro-the-fisher-lad/)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65406-Kalachakra-The-Time-Space-Gate&p=812705&viewfull=1#post812705


The seas are deep ..


:angel:

[panopticon]

So, since I posted above satellite images I've been looking at the specs of Boeing 777 slide rafts (amongst other things).

Evidently there are 8 all together with emergency locator transmitters attached to each of them (these transmitters have a max life of 48 hours so well past that now). The longest 2 rafts are at Door 1 & 34.10 foot (~10 metres) in length (2 rafts, one on either side of plane) . The other 6 are a bit smaller (slide raft capacity: Door 1: 65/81, Door 2: 57/71, Door 3: 51/63, Door 4: 60/75).

Anyway, the dimensions of the object in the Chinese satellite kind of match the length of the rafts if they were roped together... I was looking at the Chinese satellite image and it kind of looks like it but maybe I'm trying to see that so that's what I'm seeing. I dunno. Would be an amazing finish to the story if there were survivors in the cold of the Southern Ocean after 2 weeks...

-- Pan

Just to prove I'm completely insane here's some Boeing 777 slide raft inflation videos...

fSgKuYubNzI
-IBKI6RDH-s
p57FaLWcI7E
There ya go. Don't say I don't share. :P

Here there be dragons...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Leafy_Seadragon_Phycodurus_eques_2500px_PLW_edit.jpg/640px-Leafy_Seadragon_Phycodurus_eques_2500px_PLW_edit.jpg

[Roisin]

Latest report on search from AMSA (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/index.asp):
-- Pan

AMSA -- update:

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/latest_update.gif (http://s932.photobucket.com/user/A99_x/media/latest_update.gif.html)

[loungelizard]

........

I'm curious, on the Passenger list (http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest.pdf)

I saw a Russian who turned out to be Jewish listed on the manifest.

I did a search and found out he had his mind changed by his Jewish Travel agent to not take #flight370

why is he listed on a flight manifest if he didn't check in?

did someone else check in under his name and passport?

amazing coincidence, or another piece to the missing puzzle...


What is the source of this "information"? Not Dan's Deals I hope…a cut price travel agent's dodgy website trying to gain free advertising by posting controversial material.

Why do you think this miraculous story isn't all over the media? Could it be that it's a complete fabrication?

Not an amazing coincidence. Not a missing piece of the puzzle. Just a cruel lie.

[avid]

Make of this what you will. I realise the damnable 'Sorcha Faal" has already promulgated this, but it may be possible, seeing as there is correlation to the 9/11 disappearing planes and passengers scenario. Those 9/11 planes were later 'sold' in parts on the internet, serial numbers intact..... Passengers...? 'Removed' from this life - were they ever there? Or given new id's? This whole missing plane story is a diversion, a false flag perhaps - seeing as 'they' can spot anything anywhere I reckon the 'missing' faction is a giant lie.

http://www.erikrush.com/what-really-happened-to-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/

What really happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Erik Rush, March 20, 2014

It sounds like an expensive cigar, but Diego Garcia is actually a United States military base that we technically rent from the United Kingdom. At 967 nautical miles south-southwest from the southern tip of India, it is more or less midway between Indonesia and the African continent. The US Navy operates its Naval Support Facility (NSF) there, which is a naval ship and submarine support base, military air base, as well as a communications and space-tracking facility.

It also includes a base of operations for the CIA. You’ll note there is no question mark at the end of this article’s title.

http://www.erikrush.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/diego-garcia-map3.jpg

Why so few have postulated that this facility may have played a part in the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 may or may not seem odd at first blush given the circumstances: I mean, it’s not a secret base, though clandestine activities conducted there certainly would be. At any rate, I am told Diego Garcia is the location to which Flight 370 was diverted. My source has actually been to Diego Garcia, and assures me that you can land a Lockheed C-5 Galaxy there. Those are the military transport planes they load tanks aboard, and they’re just about the size of a Boeing 777.

At Diego Garcia, some 20 civilian technical personnel were removed from the aircraft for interrogation. On March 8, Reuters reported that 20 employees of U.S. chipmaker Freescale Semiconductor were passengers on Flight 370, according to a statement from the company. It is said that these employees traveled regularly between company facilities in Tianjin, China, and Kuala Lumpur. It may be presumed that these individuals were the same 20 who were reportedly taken to Diego Garcia for interrogation, although my information holds that the detainees (if you will) were working in their capacities as contractors.

Reports earlier this week that the flight plan deviation was programmed into a computer system on board (rather than being executed manually by one of the pilots was quite accurate), I am told. The airliner was taken over remotely by US intelligence operatives at the behest of those at the highest levels of our government.

It has been speculated that the plane was hijacked and the 20 Freescale Semiconductor engineers kidnapped in order that nefarious parties might access a revolutionary software package that could prove invaluable to those in the espionage community. I have been informed that this is not the case, and here are a couple of reasons I am inclined to believe so: Whistleblower Edward Snowden was able to purloin thousands of NSA digital files, distribute them, and escape the country without involving one other person. I’ve also heard – firsthand – of even more intricate and dangerous missions being carried out by less than three individuals.

No, there would have to be a great deal more involved than a software package to commandeer an airliner, kidnap technical contractors, and then “disappear” the plane and over 200 passengers (who, sadly, were most likely murdered for the sake of expediency).

The “great deal more” I am told was rather a revolutionary piece of hardware, not software, and it is not integral to digital data systems, although it is no doubt used in conjunction with them. The engineers were part of a joint US-China effort that resulted in one of the most advanced small gyroscopes for flight ever developed – flight, as in long-distance space flight.

As you probably know, China has made great strides in the area of space flight in recent years, and they’re quite proud of it. And considering the Obama administration’s intentions to devastate America’s economy, enslave her people, and part out her resources to Russia and China, a joint US-China space initiative doesn’t seem out of the ordinary. Why, it’s as American as McDonald’s on a Beijing street corner, right?

So what went wrong? Well, apparently the DOD got wind that these engineers (who, despite operating under the auspices of Freescale and/or other companies, were not American nationals) were on their way to abscond to China with their prototypes (which were in the cargo hold of the 777) and other valuable materials, thereby cutting the US out of the program entirely.

And why not? It’s fairly well-known in the intelligence community that the Chinese government has absolutely no respect for President Obama, and his telegraphing weak foreign policy all around the world wouldn’t lend itself to a sudden changing of his stripes (ineffectual posturing over Ukraine notwithstanding). Additionally, my understanding is that China technically owned this technology; the US was aiding in its development under a partnership, which apparently the Chinese decided to end in a rather ex parte manner.

The CIA went into action, in concert with the DOD and Boeing engineers. They commandeered Flight 370 en route, digitally, without the foreknowledge of the pilots or crew, diverting it to Diego Garcia. I imagine that’s where the aircraft made that now-infamous and mysterious turn just northeast of Malaysia.

So essentially, the CIA double-crossed the Chinese before they could double-cross us.

http://www.erikrush.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/diego-garcia-map4.jpg

The fate of the airliner is an aspect of this story which was not made entirely clear. I understand that there is still a possibility that it has been or will be crashed somewhere along its original flight plan, so that officials can claim having “missed it” during earlier phases of the massive search. Amidst the tangled wreckage, no one will be able to tell that the passengers had actually been dead for a week or two. Another possibility is that the airliner was later transferred to Pakistan, where its final disposition is anyone’s guess.

Flight 370’s pilots (one of whom being the pro-Islamist Zaharie Ahmad Shah) may have been afforded the opportunity to continue on to another Muslim country, blend in and take on a new identity, given the sentiments of those in the current administration. In any case, it was the geeks and the goods that the CIA was after, and I’m led to believe that’s what they got.

My understanding is that the foregoing information has been confirmed at the highest levels of our government, though not the current one, if that’s cryptic enough for you.

At least, that’s what my source tells me. And they haven’t been wrong yet.

[Rocky_Shorz]

........

I'm curious, on the Passenger list (http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest.pdf)

I saw a Russian who turned out to be Jewish listed on the manifest.

I did a search and found out he had his mind changed by his Jewish Travel agent to not take #flight370

why is he listed on a flight manifest if he didn't check in?

did someone else check in under his name and passport?

amazing coincidence, or another piece to the missing puzzle...


What is the source of this "information"? Not Dan's Deals I hope…a cut price travel agent's dodgy website trying to gain free advertising by posting controversial material.

Why do you think this miraculous story isn't all over the media? Could it be that it's a complete fabrication?

Not an amazing coincidence. Not a missing piece of the puzzle. Just a cruel lie.

in a conspiracy forum, we bring all stories forward to discuss whether there is any truth to what is being shared...

now you gave your opinion, but on the other side of the discussion...

was this passenger scheduled to be on the flight and suddenly boarded a plane to the same destination the day before...

when China was notified by Russia of the cargo on the flight, the intelligence community instantly went to work trying to search for discrepancies...

the person who skipped boarding the fateful flight became a person of interest, arrested in China, his fate as a missing passenger prevents anyone from searching for him.

I first searched Nikolai to see if he had any papers or patents related to Electronic warfare when I spotted that article...

now with this possibility, he might be the only expert that China ended up with...



( -someone needs to write tomorrows breaking news headlines for CNN... ;) )

there are two sides to this story, tears giving them all up as lost, and conspiracies that have them all still alive...

until we know for sure, there is no right or wrong in discussions.

drop your condescending attitude in your replies. I haven't clicked Block the Dork in years...

lounge lizards are known as drunks with all the answers, yet I don't think I've seen you bring anything forward outside of the box of the black and white distorted history we'd like to see corrected.

[superconsciousness]

This whole thing is a setup for the West to find buried treasure using satellite imagery, in order to pay off the Chinese for all the worthless paper they have stockpiled.

(conspiracy theory of the day...enjoy)

[panopticon]

the person who skipped boarding the fateful flight became a person of interest, arrested in China, his fate as a missing passenger prevents anyone from searching for him.

I first searched Nikolai to see if he had any papers or patents related to Electronic warfare when I spotted that article...


Please link to the article Rocky (did you post it before somewhere in this thread?).

I did a quick search and can't find a record of Nikolai Brodskii not being on flight #MH370.

-- Pan

Update...

Took me a while to find but here's the reference LL was making to Dan's Deals article (I though the name Dan's Deals was sarcasm otherwise I'd have got there quicker):
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/41764

I ended up getting there via a JPost article (http://www.jpost.com/International/Jewish-passenger-saved-from-Malaysia-flight-by-travel-agent-who-wouldnt-book-him-on-Shabbat-345111).

Evidently a Jewish passenger named Andy tried to book a flight on a Saturday and the orthodox Jewish travel agent wouldn't book him on a flight on a Saturday because it is against their customary law to travel on their Sabbath.

Fair enough. Stranger things have happened.

Still can't find a link between the passenger named Andy and Nikolai Brodskii.

Is there any evidence to that indicates Andy as being Nikolai Brodskii?

If anyone knows can they please post a link...

[panopticon]

Latest update on the Southern Indian Ocean search from AMSA (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/index.asp).

Just as a matter of curiosity, where else is there a search underway? Seems like everything is resting on these grainy satellite images that could just as easily be of sea containers and other assorted flotsam...

###

Search operations resume for Malaysia Airlines MH370: Update 11
23rd March, 2014: 12.30am (AEDT)

*All times are expressed in Australian Eastern Daylight Saving time. Please note departure times are approximate.

Search operations in the Southern Indian Ocean for the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft will continue today in the Australian Search and Rescue Region.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) reiterates this is a challenging search operation and continues to hold grave fears for the passengers and crew on board the missing flight.

Several small objects of interest were identified by air observers on a civil aircraft in yesterday’s search.

A Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion aircraft with specialist electro-optic observation equipment was diverted to the location, arriving after the first aircraft left but only reported sighting clumps of seaweed.

The RNZAF P3 Orion dropped a datum marker buoy to track the movement of the material.

Further attempts will be made today to establish whether the objects sighted are related to MH370.

Yesterday, China provided a satellite image to Australia possibly showing a 22.5 metre floating object in the southern Indian Ocean. AMSA plotted the position and it fell within yesterday’s search area. The object was not sighted during yesterday’s search.

AMSA has used this information in the development of the search area, taking drift modelling into account.

Today’s search has been split into two areas within the same proximity covering 59,000 square kilometres about 2500 kilometres south-west of Perth. These areas have been determined by drift modelling.

A total of eight aircraft have been tasked by AMSA’s Rescue Coordination Centre to undertake today’s search activities.

The civil aircraft are two Bombardier Global Express, a Gulfstream 5 and an Airbus 319.

One civil aircraft departed Perth for the search area just after 9am. Three other civil aircraft departed for the search area between 11am and midday.

The United States Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft departed for the search area about 11am.

A Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orion aircraft departed RAAF Base Pearce about 11.45am. This aircraft will be followed by a second RAAF P3 Orion about 2pm.

A Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion is scheduled to depart for the search area at 4pm.

HMAS Success is also conducting search activities today.

A total of 20 State Emergency Service (SES) volunteers from Western Australia have been tasked as air observers on the civil jets today. Each civil aircraft will have five SES air observers on board, as well as an AeroRescue Aviation Mission Coordinator. Aerorescue is AMSA’s contracted provider of dedicated search and rescue services from locations across Australia.

Two Chinese military Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft have arrived at RAAF Base Pearce. AMSA has been advised that these aircraft will be ready for tasking tomorrow.

Source (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/21032014_MediaRelease_Update11MH370.pdf)

[Rocky_Shorz]

the person who skipped boarding the fateful flight became a person of interest, arrested in China, his fate as a missing passenger prevents anyone from searching for him.

I first searched Nikolai to see if he had any papers or patents related to Electronic warfare when I spotted that article...


Please link to the article Rocky (did you post it before somewhere in this thread?).

I did a quick search and can't find a record of Nikolai Brodskii not being on flight #MH370.

-- Pan

that alone really perked my attention, there were 4-5 discussions on it when I typed the comment, but after LL's canned replies, all signs of the source are gone...

I'm not sure I didn't add the link at the end as a . but how could a link in a post, just disappear?

you'd have to believe in huge conspiracies to explain that one... ;)

[panopticon]

the person who skipped boarding the fateful flight became a person of interest, arrested in China, his fate as a missing passenger prevents anyone from searching for him.

I first searched Nikolai to see if he had any papers or patents related to Electronic warfare when I spotted that article...


Please link to the article Rocky (did you post it before somewhere in this thread?).

I did a quick search and can't find a record of Nikolai Brodskii not being on flight #MH370.

-- Pan

that alone really perked my attention, their were 4-5 discussions on it when I typed the comment, but after LL's canned replies, all signs of the source are gone...

I'm not sure I didn't add the link at the end as a . but how could a link in a post, just disappear?

you'd have to believe in huge conspiracies to explain that one... ;)

Most peculiar Rocky...

I did just update my above post (after I found the links to the Andy story) but still can't find a link between Andy and Nikolai Brodskii nor anything about Nikolai Brodskii not being on flight #MH370.

Anyone else out there found one?

-- Pan

[Sidney]

I had a dream last night that I was inside a plane. (not certain what kind, but it was 777 sized.) I saw what looked like a huge window that looked like a plexiglass geodesic dome. I also saw outside a small window a huge round metal thing which appeared to have a small bit of rust. I also had a view from the cockpit, of very slowly rolling through a huge amount of clutter and people, structures,cars etc. When I awoke and was thinking about the bits of visions, I at first thought I has been inside a space craft or something as the initial feeling was of the whole craft floating very high up, that was until I saw the view of the round thing out the window, and saw the ground below very close. Then I realized that this craft was actually on the ground, and was rolling or possibly being towed. But I kept wondering what the round metal thing out the window was, which I thought looked somewhat like a small submersible vehicle. This dream nagged at me most of the day, and i got online and poked around, and what I ultimately found was that I was actually inside of a 777 type plane, and what I saw out the window was the ENGINE of the plane. I had not idea the massive size of those engines. I also discovered that some huge hangars actually look like a geodesic dome, the shape of the glass panels. see image here.
http://www.rubbusa.com/images/aviation/atlanta-air-tran-aircraft-hangar.jpg
this is the engine I think I saw, but in the dream, it was old looking and had some rust on it, and did not say rolls royce on it,lol.
25333


So, I think in the dream, rather than seeing this geodesic type window, I believe I was looking out of a window of the plane up into the roof of a hangar. the view from the cockpit seemed incredibly high off the ground. I can't find any pictures on google that resemble this view. But when I was in the dream, I thought the plane was outside because it was so huge and bright, but after looking at photos of many hangars, I am certain now that i was inside of a MASSIVE hangar, possibly military.

So in the dream, the main visions that were very short in length, were of the huge engine, the geodesic window/roof, the veiw from the cockpit that included a detailed view of the instrument panel, and looking out onto the hangar, and strangely, there were two long trailing plants, on stands, that were the greenest plants I have ever seen. In fact in the dream, I even stated (thought I don't know who to) that "those plants must really love that spot". LOL

I have no idea what this dream could mean, but firstly, I have never seen the inside of a hangar, and never even knew that any hangars were geodesic in construction, like many are. I also would have never connected the thing out the window to be an engine, because I didn't have any idea how massive they really are. The planes I have been on, did not have huge engines like that. But in my opinion, the engine in the dream would be almost the exact size of the 777 engine. I wish I had a snapshot of the view that I had from the cockpit, as there would be certain clues to where exactly this was,m from license plates, race of people etc. or other things form that view.

Anyone else have any weird dreams of this nature?

[Rocky_Shorz]

I had a dream last night that I was inside a plane...

Maybe you connected with a Spirit inside the plane that is trying to send you hints, you can be looking through her eyes, thinking they are yours... Since you didn't rise up, looking down at the hanger from above, you were looking out and upward, it sounds like this person is still alive...






Update...

Took me a while to find but here's the reference LL was making to Dan's Deals article (I though the name Dan's Deals was sarcasm otherwise I'd have got there quicker):
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/41764

/QUOTE]

I finally checked the link and realized it looks like the same message but the name was different, maybe changed to protect his client?







the person who skipped boarding the fateful flight became a person of interest, arrested in China, his fate as a missing passenger prevents anyone from searching for him.

I first searched Nikolai to see if he had any papers or patents related to Electronic warfare when I spotted that article...


Please link to the article Rocky (did you post it before somewhere in this thread?).

I did a quick search and can't find a record of Nikolai Brodskii not being on flight #MH370.

-- Pan

that alone really perked my attention, their were 4-5 discussions on it when I typed the comment, but after LL's canned replies, all signs of the source are gone...

I'm not sure I didn't add the link at the end as a . but how could a link in a post, just disappear?

you'd have to believe in huge conspiracies to explain that one... ;)

Most peculiar Rocky...

I did just update my above post (after I found the links to the Andy story) but still can't find a link between Andy and Nikolai Brodskii nor anything about Nikolai Brodskii not being on flight #MH370.

Anyone else out there found one?

-- Pan

I was looking around and found something interesting about Flight MH370 mystery passengers...


Unconfirmed reports in Russian indicate a third name on the manifest also indicated use of a stolen passport... link (http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2014/03/09/two-missing-jets-passenger-list-found-alive-victims-passport-theft-thailand)

so what if he did fly home the day before, and someone using the only passport from Russia, his was onboard, there were 2 stolen passports used from Thailand which makes 3 mysterious passengers, still to this point unknown...

now what started as a curiosity is turning into a Conspiracy...

[panopticon]

I was looking around and found something interesting about Flight MH370 mystery passengers...


Unconfirmed reports in Russian indicate a third name on the manifest also indicated use of a stolen passport... link (http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2014/03/09/two-missing-jets-passenger-list-found-alive-victims-passport-theft-thailand)

so what if he did fly home the day before, and someone using the only passport from Russia, his was onboard, there were 2 stolen passports used from Thailand which makes 3 mysterious passengers, still to this point unknown...

now what started as a curiosity is turning into a Conspiracy...

Had a look at The Beijinger post and went back to the source referenced.

Appeared in the Echo of Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_of_Moscow) -- St Petersburg edition (http://www.echomsk.spb.ru/) (91.5 FM (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_and_radio_stations_in_Saint_Petersburg#FM)) -- online website (article here (http://www.echomsk.spb.ru/news/kriminal/rossiyanin-propavshiy-samolet.html)).

Claims that a Russian passenger was refused access to the plane because he had a stolen passport. Seems to indicate that this was another passenger however I'm using Google Translate so could be inaccurate.

Certainly an interesting proposition though. How did the Russian, if he existed, get caught with a stolen passport when the Iranian passengers didn't? Maybe the passport had been stolen in Malaysia and was on record there?

Definitely worth trying to find out more about.

-- Pan

[Rocky_Shorz]

so Avid mentioned this was a joint venture technology between China and US, did Russia pull a triple cross and attempt to take the technology away from both of them?

Secret agents shooting it out in a 3rd world country as they race for the plane, one tips off security to a suspicious passenger from Russia traveling with a stolen passport as she hops on the plane...

[Slorri]

Richard Quest was in the cockpit with the co-pilot weeks before MH370 incident.

jw6VlKR-j00

[SilentFeathers]

Richard Quest was in the cockpit with the co-pilot weeks before MH370 incident.

jw6VlKR-j00

This is REALLY BIZARRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here's another article:


One of the more bizarre coincidences in the mystery of missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370 is the fact CNN airline and aviation correspondent Richard Quest met with the co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, weeks before the plane’s disappearance.

It was part of a taping Quest was doing in February for CNN Business Traveler, and it hasn’t aired yet on CNN. Hamid, a 27-year-old first officer, was taking part in a training session, flying from Hong Kong to Kuala Lumpur.

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/03/18/fariq-hamid-pilot

[Cidersomerset]

This may have been mentioned already but its on Todays David headline page.


Malaysian plane: 20 on board worked for electronic warfare and radar defence
company with the Father George Bush Carlyle Group as shareholders

new Sunday 23rd March 2014 at 09:46 By David Icke

‘A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines
Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar
systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/Freescale_Semiconductor-465557.jpg


Freescale Semiconductor, which makes powerful microchips for industries including
defence, released the powerful new products to the American market on March 3.
Five days later, Flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing with 239
people on board including 20 working for Freescale. Twelve were from Malaysia,
while eight were Chinese nationals.Freescale’s spokesman Mitch Haws has
said: “These were all people with a lot of experience and technical background and
they were very important people. “It’s definitely a loss for the company.”

Freescale’s shareholders include the Carlyle Group of private equity investors whose
past advisers have included ex-US president George Bush Sr and former British
Prime Minister John Major.’

Carlyle’s previous heavyweight clients include the Saudi Binladin Group, the
construction firm owned by the family of Osama bin Laden.The fact that Freescale
had so many highly qualified staff on board the Boeing 777 had already prompted
wild conspiracy theories about what might have happened.The company says they
were flying to China to improve its consumer products operations, but Freescale’s
fresh links to electronic warfare technology is likely to trigger more speculation and
deepen the mystery.


http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/138527.jpg

Experts have been baffled how a large passenger jet seems to have flown
undetected and possibly beaten military radar systems for up to six hours.
Avoiding radar via “cloaking technology” has long been one of the objectives of the
defence industry and Freescale has been active developing chips for military radar.

On its website, the company says its radio frequency products meet the
requirements for applications in “avionics, radar, communications, missile guidance,
electronic warfare and identification friend or foe”.

Last June it announced it was creating a team of specialists dedicated to
producing “radio frequency power products” for the defence industry.

And on March 3, it announced it was releasing 11 of these new gadgets for use
in “high frequency, VHF and low-band UHF radar and radio communications”.

The company did not respond to questions from Express Online, including whether
any of its missing employees had been working on the defence products.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/138528.jpg

It neither provided any responses to the latest bizarre conspiracy theory being
widely published on the comments sections of newspaper websites and other
internet forums.The comment reads: “It reads: “Have you pieced together the
puzzle of missing flight 370 to Beijing China? If not, here are your missing pieces.

“Patents Patents Patents.

“Four days after the missing flight MH370 a patent is approved by the Patent Office,
four of the five Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor
of Austin TX.

“Patent is divided up on 20 per cent increments to five holders.

“Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20 per
cent); Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20
per cent); Freescale Semiconductor (20 per cent).

“If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of
the deceased if not disputed in a will.

“If four of the five dies, then the remaining one Patent holder gets 100 per cent of
the wealth of the patent.

“That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.”

It adds: “Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all four Chinese
members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane.

“Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their
heirs. “However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane
went missing, the patent had not been approved.”

However, the absurd theory does not add up.

Although a Freescale patent does exist under number US8650327, none of the
names listed actually appear on the passenger manifest released by the Malaysian
authorities.The search continues for Flight MH370 but speculation surrounding its
fate grows by the day.Some experts believe the plane was hijacked–possibly by the
pilots–or that there was a struggle on board which led to a catastrophic
decompression.However, no seat cushions or luggage that would have been
expected to float have yet been found in the vast Indian Ocean where it might have
crashed.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[araucaria]

Malaysian plane: 20 on board worked for electronic warfare and radar defence
company with the Father George Bush Carlyle Group as shareholders


Freescale Semiconductor, which makes powerful microchips for industries including
defence, released the powerful new products to the American market on March 3.
Five days later, Flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing with 239
people on board including 20 working for Freescale. Twelve were from Malaysia,
while eight were Chinese nationals.Freescale’s spokesman Mitch Haws has
said: “These were all people with a lot of experience and technical background and
they were very important people. “It’s definitely a loss for the company.”
...
...

Experts have been baffled how a large passenger jet seems to have flown
undetected and possibly beaten military radar systems for up to six hours.
Avoiding radar via “cloaking technology” has long been one of the objectives of the
defence industry and Freescale has been active developing chips for military radar.


I have not read the conspiracy theories, but one thing that suggests itself from the above - I don't know if this is even possible - is that cloaking technology was actually being transported on board and put into service, an array of some sort big enough to require the luggage of 20 people.

[Roisin]

How relevant is that technology to existing systems?

[jackovesk]

((HANDLERS & MIND CONTROL))...???

http://i.imgur.com/CAPbFpv.gif

Mystery call made before Flight...

March 23, 2014

http://www.ninemsn.com.au/img/2014/2303_370pilot_TAB_sp.jpg

MH370 Report claims woman with fake ID contacted pilot


The Mail On Sunday claims the call was one of the last on Captain Zahaire Ahmed Shah's mobile phone before the ill-fated flight left the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur on March 8.


In this case the SIM card used to call Captain Shah's phone was traced to a shop in Kuala Lumpur and had been purchased recently by a woman using a false identity.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/23/16/20/phone-sim-card-link-to-mh370-pilot

[Cidersomerset]

I have not read the conspiracy theories, but one thing that suggests itself from the
above - I don't know if this is even possible - is that cloaking technology was actually being
transported on board and put into service, an array of some sort big enough to require the
luggage of 20 people.

I don't know , but they usually ask for motives and if true this is a big one below ...

%100 ownership for the Freescale Semiconductor company , and if they are
backed by bigger players IE mil ind corporations or the CIA /Pentagon
landing at Diego Garcia on the simulator may have greater meaning....



“Patents Patents Patents.

“Four days after the missing flight MH370 a patent is approved by the Patent Office,
four of the five Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor
of Austin TX.

“Patent is divided up on 20 per cent increments to five holders.

“Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20 per
cent); Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20
per cent); Freescale Semiconductor (20 per cent).

“If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of
the deceased if not disputed in a will.

“If four of the five dies, then the remaining one Patent holder gets 100 per cent of
the wealth of the patent.

“That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.”

It adds: “Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all four Chinese
members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane.

“Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their
heirs. “However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane
went missing, the patent had not been approved.”

[araucaria]

I have not read the conspiracy theories, but one thing that suggests itself from the
above - I don't know if this is even possible - is that cloaking technology was actually being
transported on board and put into service, an array of some sort big enough to require the
luggage of 20 people.

I don't know , but they usually ask for motives and if true this is a big one below ...

%100 ownership for the Freescale Semiconductor company , and if they are
backed by bigger players IE mil ind corporations or the CIA /Pentagon
landing at Diego Garcia on the simulator may have greater meaning....



“Patents Patents Patents.

“Four days after the missing flight MH370 a patent is approved by the Patent Office,
four of the five Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor
of Austin TX.

“Patent is divided up on 20 per cent increments to five holders.

“Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20 per
cent); Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20
per cent); Freescale Semiconductor (20 per cent).

“If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of
the deceased if not disputed in a will.

“If four of the five dies, then the remaining one Patent holder gets 100 per cent of
the wealth of the patent.

“That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.”

It adds: “Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all four Chinese
members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane.

“Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their
heirs. “However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane
went missing, the patent had not been approved.”

The patent argument is a 'software' issue as to why the plane was interfered with. The onboard cloaking technology would be a 'hardware' issue explaining how it came to disappear.

These two things may be complementary to each other, or it may be that the 'patent' side, patent in the sense of being advertised, is there to conceal the 'latent' side.

Or again: both the above. But the financial question seems to me rather secondary since the shadow government is drowning in funny money as it is. This may have been some kind of sales demo.

[Hervé]

Oooopsss... another blunder:

Malaysia backtracks on when jet’s communications were disabled (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/malaysia-backtracks-on-when-jets-communications-were-disabled/article17538367/)

KEITH BRADSHER and CHRISTOPHER BUCKLEY
SEPANG, MALAYSIA — The New York Times News Service
Published Monday, Mar. 17 2014, 11:17 PM EDT
Last updated Wednesday, Mar. 19 2014, 7:13 PM EDT

[...]

Malaysian authorities said Monday that the plane’s first officer – the co-pilot – was the last person in the cockpit to speak to ground control. But the government added to the confusion about what had happened on the plane by that time, withdrawing its assertion that a crucial communications system had already been disabled when the co-pilot spoke.

Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia’s Defence Minister and acting transportation minister, had made that assertion Sunday, saying that the jet’s Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS, was disabled at 1:07 a.m. Saturday, well before the co-pilot’s verbal sign-off. That appeared to point to possible complicity of the pilots in the plane’s disappearance.

But Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, the chief executive of Malaysia Airlines, said at a news conference Monday evening that the ACARS system had worked normally at 1:07 but then failed to send its next regularly scheduled update at 1:37 a.m., and could have been disabled at any point between those two times. “We don’t know when the ACARS system was switched off,” he said.

The new account appeared to reopen the possibility that the aircraft was operating normally until 1:21 a.m., and that the two communications systems failed or were deactivated at the same time, not at separate points. That could raise additional questions about whether the plane was deliberately diverted.

[...]

Full article: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/malaysia-backtracks-on-when-jets-communications-were-disabled/article17538367/

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which one is less likely to lie?


That could raise additional questions about whether the plane was deliberately diverted.This one gives out what MSM intends readers to believe...

Since the new acknowledged fact raises questions about any and all the scenari; not that particular, singled out, one.

[Rocky_Shorz]

How relevant is that technology to existing systems?

hang on, let me pull up schematics... :pound:

where's my dang Klingon manual...

[Violet]

Oooopsss... another blunder:

Malaysia backtracks on when jet’s communications were disabled (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/malaysia-backtracks-on-when-jets-communications-were-disabled/article17538367/)

KEITH BRADSHER and CHRISTOPHER BUCKLEY
SEPANG, MALAYSIA — The New York Times News Service
Published Monday, Mar. 17 2014, 11:17 PM EDT
Last updated Wednesday, Mar. 19 2014, 7:13 PM EDT

[...]

Malaysian authorities said Monday that the plane’s first officer – the co-pilot – was the last person in the cockpit to speak to ground control. But the government added to the confusion about what had happened on the plane by that time, withdrawing its assertion that a crucial communications system had already been disabled when the co-pilot spoke.

Hishammuddin Hussein, Malaysia’s Defence Minister and acting transportation minister, had made that assertion Sunday, saying that the jet’s Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System, or ACARS, was disabled at 1:07 a.m. Saturday, well before the co-pilot’s verbal sign-off. That appeared to point to possible complicity of the pilots in the plane’s disappearance.

But Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, the chief executive of Malaysia Airlines, said at a news conference Monday evening that the ACARS system had worked normally at 1:07 but then failed to send its next regularly scheduled update at 1:37 a.m., and could have been disabled at any point between those two times. “We don’t know when the ACARS system was switched off,” he said.

The new account appeared to reopen the possibility that the aircraft was operating normally until 1:21 a.m., and that the two communications systems failed or were deactivated at the same time, not at separate points. That could raise additional questions about whether the plane was deliberately diverted.

[...]

Full article: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/malaysia-backtracks-on-when-jets-communications-were-disabled/article17538367/

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Which one is less likely to lie?


That could raise additional questions about whether the plane was deliberately diverted.This one gives out what MSM intends readers to believe...

Since the new acknowledged fact raises questions about any and all the scenari; not that particular, singled out, one.

Yesterday on Belgian news they talked about the plane that went missing on the 8th of March.

[avid]

Another reply from afar: (I actually believe the Diego Garcia theory of landing it via non-interruptive auto-pilot to get the science and control of patents - follow the MONEY!!!)
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/23/neo-flight-370-another-us-conspiracy/



MH-370 Shoot Down – the Plot Thickens
On March 13, 2011 Veterans Today said they could prove Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 was “on the ground.” The mainstream media had sighted wreckage but families were calling passengers on the “downed jet” and those phones were ringing, an impossibility.
We are now certain that we are dealing with a “black op” at the highest level. This fact alone surprises no one. The more important issue is the ramifications of accepting this inexorable fact.
Today, nobody doubts flight 370’s globetrotting ordeal. However, the real story is so big it can and will never be told though, as with similar mysteries such as 9/11, we can expect and implausible fairy tale to emerge and receive official recognition. Only the dead will know the truth.
The following excerpt is from a retired US Air Force Colonel who currently flies the Boeing 777/200 for a major airline:
“Just a quick update with what I know about the Malaysia 777 disappearance. The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly. It is a great, safe airplane to fly. It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load. It’s also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it. Sometimes, even that doesn’t work…
There’s many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane now to Malaysia. There are so many communication systems on the airplane: 3 VHF radios, 2 SatCom systems, 2 HF radio systems, plus Transponders and active, ‘real time’ monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B (Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems.
The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc. as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels. Big Brother for sure! However, most of these things can be turned off.”
______________________________
But, there are a few systems that can’t be turned off and one is the engine monitoring systems. The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200’s, uses Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia….Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers….because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running.
In fact, a few years back, one of our 777’s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure. It wasn’t bad enough to set off the airplane’s alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers. They are in England, they contact our dispatch in (REDACTED), Dispatch sends a message to the crew via SatCom in the North Pacific, telling them that RR wants them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine.
The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in, the left engine shut itself down using it’s redundant, computerized operating system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the air…only on the ground. Pretty good tech. Anyway, the point was that RR monitors those engines 100% of the time they are operating. And don’t EVER get in an Airbus!!”
This system was monitored for at least 5 hours after the plane was initially reported as crashed, a reporting error that was not accidental. In order to look at this story, you have to answer the right questions. Sometimes the right questions aren’t the best questions; they are just the only ones you can answer.
The “mystery” of flight 370 subjected to the analytical tools of intelligence professionals proves the existence of a multi-national, super-governmental conspiracy. This is a broad statement, seemingly even a wild assumption. It is not.
The “370 incident” provides foundation for understanding not just 9/11 but the interlocking mosaic of staged revolutions, economic collapses, theatrical mass killings and the systematic brain-washing of generations.
You see, “disappearing” an airliner today is beyond impossible, beyond any magic trick. When the impossible is accomplished once, accepting it has been done before; that it is done continually is no longer conjecture.
Normally, crimes include three components, “means, motive and opportunity.” We will never know why 370 was taken, why the passengers and crew were killed. Anyone who knows and who would speak of it would be as dead as those on the plane. What we have to accept is that there are questions that the answers to are simply unimaginable.
We have to deal with what we know and what that means. We know that an airliner was taken, flown thousands of miles. We have surmised that the plane was landed on Diego Garcia, the bodies removed and disposed. As for what cargo was removed, asking is futile.
It certainly wasn’t “lithium ion” batteries as being reported today, not hardly.
We know these things for certain:
Those responsible are terrorists fully sanctioned by multiple governments with broad control over the international press
The willingness to do something this brazen is very real proof this isn’t the first time. It brings everything claimed to have occurred on 9/11/2001 not only in question but clearly establishes both capability and intent. If “they” did it now, they did it then and will do it again if “they” wish.
Recent plans for terrorist attacks against Ukrainian Air Force facilities, as outlined in emails intercepted and published by “Anonymous Ukraine” show identical intent and nearly identical capability.
Modern airliners cannot disappear. They can’t be hijacked or stolen, not without the full involvement of a SOCOM or Special Operations Command with the ability to control news reporting, suppress not just radar but sensor data, so much data that only a very few have a remote idea of how outlandish this story is.
We have already heard, first hand, how the plane tracks itself in ways that can’t be turned off. Thus, we know the team at Rolls Royce can tell us within 30 yards of where the engines were first turned off yet they have never said a word.
I accept this as proof that a British intelligence agency is very much a part of the fate of flight 370. This is now “a given.” Four nations have the capability of tracking Malayan Airlines Flight 370. In fact, disabling the planes communications is an impossibility.
___________________________________
TRACKING THE UNTRACKABLE
Everything on this planet is subject to what is called “Layered ISR.” ISR stands for Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance. By “layered” we refer to satellites, starting with geosynchronous orbit down to LEO, or “Low Earth Orbit.”
These satellites monitor the entire electromagnetic spectrum and include SAR (Synthetic Aperture Capability). Everything that moves, on land or sea, under the sea, even underground, is watched and listened to.
Below this are nano-sensors that are sustained in the upper atmosphere. I won’t even begin to explain what these do but their function is “hyperspatial” rather than “hyperspectral.”When we talk “hyperspatial” we make physicists cringe.
Everything below this is watched, monitored or sensed. You have to realize that we don’t really need radar. Our entire atmosphere is an electromagnetic soup, a “sea” as it were of Wi-Fi signals, AM radio, particle emissions, a million sources, all reflected, slowed, absorbed or amplified, painting a very complete picture of anything that moves. All is sensed, recorded, examined by complex algorithms for anomalous behaviors that represent “threats.”
Planes don’t disappear; a gnat has trouble “disappearing.”
Immediately after the plane “disappeared,” a working team was put together headed by Lt. Colonel Stephen Avery, former USAF SOCOM pilot and retired security chief for a major airline. Aiding Steve heading up the inquiry is former Supervising Special Agent Frederick Coward (ret) who headed FBI operations for Asia.
Coordinating the team with active intelligence agencies, “official” and, by far the more effective private resources of Adamus Defense Group, was Operation Chief Colonel James Hanke, former G2 of Third Army, a retired Special Forces intelligence officer.
What we found was astounding. To put this in context, we looked back at 9/11 when CNN, at the scene of the Pentagon “whatever” was unable to find any proof an airplane had been there at all. See.
_________________________________
PRELIMINARY FINDINGS
Our preliminary findings:
An official cover-up began as soon as the plane went off course. All subsequent reporting was part of a conspiracy. The location of the plane for the 5 or more hours after it “crashed” was known, its speed, its altitude, and more.
If any of the multiple systems on the plane that could be turned off were turned off that, in itself, would have yielded data. Which system was turned off first? How long between turning off systems? Where was the plane when the systems were turned off?
Why didn’t ground controllers attempt to contact the plane when systems were turned off, particularly when we now know for certain that other systems were on and it was now known that the plane was in flight?
A real investigation would outline what was known, who knew it, when they knew it and why they failed to behave in a manner consistent with procedure, consistent with common sense and inconsistent with criminal complicity in a major act of terrorism.
This last list includes hundreds of people in dozens of nations. The crime they can now be investigated for involves the disappearance and assumed murder of hundreds of people.
Why does no one seem to care?

[Bill Ryan]

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Several folks have been asking me for my opinions about this affair. (Silentfeathers being the most recent. Thanks, Jim! :) )

Here's what I can add, if indeed it's worth much at this stage: (And even after what feels like all this time, this might be quite an early stage.)


As less and less appears to makes simple sense, it's more and more likely that the ultimate explanation will be one of high strangeness (or high intrigue).



I *feel* (and it's always possible I may be quite wrong -- it's not totally out of the question that we'll find out quite soon) that the huge search for the satellite-spotted debris in the Southern Ocean is all a distraction/diversion. This may be intended as fodder for the mainstream media, to stop their more astute and un-bought investigators turning over stones in other places. And if we're told even by honest journalists that the debris has been found, it might be challenging now to take such a report at face value.



Diego Garcia was one of the immediate destinations I thought of. It was within range, just. Camelot whistleblower 'Henry Deacon' talked of the place often. And it seems highly significant that it was one of the deleted practice destinations on the pilot's flight simulator (this seems to be a fact). Of course, the US would deny/ridicule that the plane flew there (and has), and no-one might ever know for sure. It does strike me as potentially significant that in the 24/7 headline coverage on CNN, Diego Garcia has as best I know NEVER been mentioned in reports or in any interviews. It's like they've been ordered not to mention the place under any circumstances.



Besides the various interesting claims made on Veterans Today (and other sites), it's interesting to note that Erik Rush says here (http://www.erikrush.com/what-really-happened-to-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/) that he knows for a fact that the plane flew to Diego Garcia. At much the same time, a caller into C2C stated that he knew for a fact that it ended up in Pakistan. It's conceivable that both could be valid, but it's a stretch. But at this stage, whatever happened has to be a stretch by 'normal' standards.



Besides the interesting insights into the engine-monitoring capabilities of Rolls-Royce, it's almost impossible to believe (whether the US is directly involved/implicated or not) that the US high-tech surveillance apparatus doesn't know exactly where the plane is, and always has. They could find a beetle in my bedroom if they wanted to. They can read minds if they want to! But their not coming clean might simply mean that they don't want to disclose what they can do. And that info will be very highly compartmentalized... this does not mean that (for instance) Obama, FBI or CAA investigators, or US search teams, know anything about what the black project guys know.

(to be continued, I'm sure...)

[Selene]

Glad to hear you weighing in here Bill, but here’s where I part company with Erik Rush’s thesis:


So what went wrong? Well, apparently the DOD got wind that these engineers (who, despite operating under the auspices of Freescale and/or other companies, were not American nationals) were on their way to abscond to China with their prototypes (which were in the cargo hold of the 777) and other valuable materials, thereby cutting the US out of the program entirely.

Who needs a physical prototype anymore? These days, the original plans or designs can be stashed anywhere, capable of reconstructing a zillion prototypes. A single physical model would hardly be the one-and-only. The design and creation of something “interesting” – if it involved even two of the Freescale engineers - would inevitably require a collaborative trail of some kind, even if only on plain old notepaper, but more likely on NSA-hackable computers. Machining the viable prototype would presume test data from somewhere. These things don’t spring up all at once.

And BTW, the Freescale employees returning to Beijing were already resident there, as I understand. So what’s the ‘defecting’ thing?

And, if stealing the protype – or Freescale’s information – was the goal here, why not just kidnap the needed parties on the ground, on their way to the airport, break into their hotel rooms – even take a few ‘hostages’ at the conference they were attending…? Why take down an entire aircraft? Doesn’t add up for me. But I could be wrong, of course.

Regards,

Selene

[superconsciousness]

No one within our Filipino (gold rendition) network has any indication from their Diego Island contacts (which is extensive) that the MH370 plane landed there...at any time. Diego Garcia therefore may be a follow-on target, and their command was contacted alerting them to the same, though any given scenario at this point is unlikely to prove accurate...until it happens.

Meanwhile, keep an eye on SYRIA...

[Agape]

Please don't mind .. 'Diego Garcia' is one airforce emergency code . I think they simply puffed to the thin air ..

I mean , they couldn't really puff to thin air . It has nothing to do with any island in my view ..


:behindsofa:

[Selene]

A few further thoughts:

One of the interesting ‘magic words’ missing in this search has been: submarines.

Submarines are the Great Nonexistent, even though everybody has them. Where have they been on this hunt? Who better to detect a ping from a transponder now under water? (If so...) Or metal? Especially the big US and Russian versions; heaven knows what the Chinese have. They’re probably stumbling over each other out there right now...

Another card on the table:

I think it is quite true that US sensors can detect the beetle under your bed, and more. But the risk to the US of inadvertently revealing any secret technology thereby is far greater than the ‘mere’ loss of 239 lives. Peanuts, in black ops league.

However, China is now struggling with great loss of face [prestige] over its inability to find its own citizens. This presents a strategic diplomatic opportunity for the US: we’ll secretly help you locate the craft, in exchange for..... you get the idea. The delay here could be due to some ‘very interesting’ behind the scenes negotiations.

Just a few thoughts.

Cheers,

Selene

[SilentFeathers]

Another card on the table:

I think it is quite true that US sensors can detect the beetle under your bed, and more. But the risk to the US of inadvertently revealing any secret technology thereby is far greater than the ‘mere’ loss of 239 lives. Peanuts, in black ops league.



Perhaps that's what this whole thing may be about to some degree, not so much revealing technology, but merely just a demonstration of a certain technology.....a gruesome demonstration to say the least. (Someone is being warned)

[gripreaper]

I think it is quite true that US sensors can detect the beetle under your bed, and more. But the risk to the US of inadvertently revealing any secret technology thereby is far greater than the ‘mere’ loss of 239 lives. Peanuts, in black ops league.



Perhaps that's what this whole thing may be about to some degree, not so much revealing technology, but merely just a demonstration of a certain technology.....a gruesome demonstration to say the least. (Someone is being warned)

According to my Poll on MH370, the hijacking via remote by a nefarious group who flew the plane to Diego Garcia or some other location, is the most likely scenario. The point that these individuals are so far up the food chain, the reasons so insidious and so globally geopolitical, the technology so exotic, that we will never know.

Most people have no idea who runs the world or how, and have no idea what technology exists and is available. This incident falls into the "high strangeness" category in that it is way outside the norm for what the general public even realizes is possible. The perpetrators know exactly what happened and why, and where the plane is. That level of power and control on this planet is inconceivable to most.

Suffice it to say, regardless of not knowing anything after two weeks, this incident points to something very huge. It probably will connect as a dot once more variables can be added globally as the next chess moves in the "big game" occur.

[enfoldedblue]

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Several folks have been asking me for my opinions about this affair. (Silentfeathers being the most recent. Thanks, Jim! :) )

Here's what I can add, if indeed it's worth much at this stage: (And even after what feels like all this time, this might be quite an early stage.)


As less and less appears to makes simple sense, it's more and more likely that the ultimate explanation will be one of high strangeness (or high intrigue).



I *feel* (and it's always possible I may be quite wrong -- it's not totally out of the question that we'll find out quite soon) that the huge search for the satellite-spotted debris in the Southern Ocean is all a distraction/diversion. This may be intended as fodder for the mainstream media, to stop their more astute and un-bought investigators turning over stones in other places. And if we're told even by honest journalists that the debris has been found, it might be challenging now to take such a report at face value.



Diego Garcia was one of the immediate destinations I thought of. It was within range, just. Camelot whistleblower 'Henry Deacon' talked of the place often. And it seems highly significant that it was one of the deleted practice destinations on the pilot's flight simulator (this seems to be a fact). Of course, the US would deny/ridicule that the plane flew there (and has), and no-one might ever know for sure. It does strike me as potentially significant that in the 24/7 headline coverage on CNN, Diego Garcia has as best I know NEVER been mentioned in reports or in any interviews. It's like they've been ordered not to mention the place under any circumstances.



Besides the various interesting claims made on Veterans Today (and other sites), it's interesting to note that Erik Rush says here (http://www.erikrush.com/what-really-happened-to-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/) that he knows for a fact that the plane flew to Diego Garcia. At much the same time, a caller into C2C stated that he knew for a fact that it ended up in Pakistan. It's conceivable that both could be valid, but it's a stretch. But at this stage, whatever happened has to be a stretch by 'normal' standards.



Besides the interesting insights into the engine-monitoring capabilities of Rolls-Royce, it's almost impossible to believe (whether the US is directly involved/implicated or not) that the US high-tech surveillance apparatus doesn't know exactly where the plane is, and always has. They could find a beetle in my bedroom if they wanted to. They can read minds if they want to! But their not coming clean might simply mean that they don't want to disclose what they can do. And that info will be very highly compartmentalized... this does not mean that (for instance) Obama, FBI or CAA investigators, or US search teams, know anything about what the black project guys know.

(to be continued, I'm sure...)

Hi Bill,
This is a huge thread and difficult to keep up with all the input. But as far as I know Diego Garcia was mentioned at least once in the MSM. It was apparently one of the landing destinations programmed into the pilots flight simulator! For me as well Diego Garcia seems significant.



Quote "Among the software we checked so far is the Male International Airport in Maldives, three airports in India and Sri Lanka, and one belonging to the US military base in Diego Garcia. All have a runway length of 1,000 metres," a source told the Malay daily.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/220...lator-reports/

[Cognitive Dissident]

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Several folks have been asking me for my opinions about this affair. (Silentfeathers being the most recent. Thanks, Jim! :) )

Here's what I can add, if indeed it's worth much at this stage: (And even after what feels like all this time, this might be quite an early stage.)

...


Diego Garcia was one of the immediate destinations I thought of. It was within range, just. Camelot whistleblower 'Henry Deacon' talked of the place often. And it seems highly significant that it was one of the deleted practice destinations on the pilot's flight simulator (this seems to be a fact). Of course, the US would deny/ridicule that the plane flew there (and has), and no-one might ever know for sure. It does strike me as potentially significant that in the 24/7 headline coverage on CNN, Diego Garcia has as best I know NEVER been mentioned in reports or in any interviews. It's like they've been ordered not to mention the place under any circumstances.



Besides the various interesting claims made on Veterans Today (and other sites), it's interesting to note that Erik Rush says here (http://www.erikrush.com/what-really-happened-to-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/) that he knows for a fact that the plane flew to Diego Garcia. At much the same time, a caller into C2C stated that he knew for a fact that it ended up in Pakistan. It's conceivable that both could be valid, but it's a stretch. But at this stage, whatever happened has to be a stretch by 'normal' standards.


...
(to be continued, I'm sure...)

This is slightly ad hominem, but I read the Erik Rush article and it said in an off-handed way "Flight 370’s pilots (one of whom being the pro-Islamist Zaharie Ahmad Shah)" which is factually incorrect and also consistent with the MSM's smearing of this pilot for being a supporter of the Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim (falsely convicted, suppressed, etc.). It is jarring that the rest of the article was so careful not to jump to conclusions, and there you have an unsupported and incorrect assertion. Maybe just trying to add some plausible deniability/distraction, but wierd as the rest of the article made sense.

[Hervé]

It seems like there are at least two scenari which can be ruled out:

1) A crash simply because there would be a debris field plus all the beacons and radio transmitters going off and screaming since day one; as well as pilots heading to the closest airport in case of fire or other mechanical/electrical/electronics failure.

2) Hijacking:

The nature of hijacking has changed, but one thing hasn't: The need for publicity. The Dawson's Field hijackings were designed to be high-profile, and the hijackers had specific demands that they made known (largely the release of a number of Palestinian prisoners in Europe and the Middle East). Seven days after the hijacking, the world not only knew these demands, but were watching the hijackers blow up the planes on the evening news. Likewise, 9/11-style hijackings are, by definition, designed to be public events.

It's now been nine days since MH370 disappeared, and not only have we not heard any demands from anyone, but it seems that terrorist organizations seem to be going out of their way to say they didn't do it ("We wish we had an opportunity to hijack such a plane," one Pakistani Taliban commander told Reuters (http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/malaysianairlinemystery2014/pakistan-india-taliban-say-know-nothing-about-missing-malaysia-plane/article1-1196393.aspx)). So far, few theories can explain that.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/17/what-mh370-hijacking-theories-cant-explain/So, I am left with what I already stated:


Well, beside a kitchen sink to throw in as well, me think somebody got their hands on a new toy that could turn that plane into a stealth drone. The kind of technology Henry Deacon/Arthur Neuman was working at putting together for 9-11.

But, this time without most anybody being in on it which would imply the faking + jamming + shutting off of signals from a specific target. Now, who could do that? And, at the same, time making a number of nations' military and civilian organizations look like fools and losing face.... on top of the emotional shock generated by the loss of passengers and crew.

[jp11]

I sent the link and actual text to Erik Rush's take. This individual replied:

"Oh I don't know, sort of reads like a Robert Ludlum spy novel. Who am I though to so say it is not true?

I've been to Diego Garcia a couple of times, can you say TINY? No way can you fly a commercial jet in there and the entire base/island not know about it within a couple of hours. Just a handful of US Navy Sailors, a scattering of Brits, and a sprinkle of Phillipino migrant workers that are flown off and on the island."


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Diego Garcia was one of the immediate destinations I thought of. It was within range, just. Camelot whistleblower 'Henry Deacon' talked of the place often. And it seems highly significant that it was one of the deleted practice destinations on the pilot's flight simulator (this seems to be a fact). Of course, the US would deny/ridicule that the plane flew there (and has), and no-one might ever know for sure. It does strike me as potentially significant that in the 24/7 headline coverage on CNN, Diego Garcia has as best I know NEVER been mentioned in reports or in any interviews. It's like they've been ordered not to mention the place under any circumstances.



Besides the various interesting claims made on Veterans Today (and other sites), it's interesting to note that Erik Rush says here (http://www.erikrush.com/what-really-happened-to-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/) that he knows for a fact that the plane flew to Diego Garcia. At much the same time, a caller into C2C stated that he knew for a fact that it ended up in Pakistan. It's conceivable that both could be valid, but it's a stretch. But at this stage, whatever happened has to be a stretch by 'normal' standards.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Another card on the table:

I think it is quite true that US sensors can detect the beetle under your bed, and more. But the risk to the US of inadvertently revealing any secret technology thereby is far greater than the ‘mere’ loss of 239 lives. Peanuts, in black ops league.



Perhaps that's what this whole thing may be about to some degree, not so much revealing technology, but merely just a demonstration of a certain technology.....a gruesome demonstration to say the least. (Someone is being warned)

reading this, I thought back to my post on the 15th... Blue Dude (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64182-Visionaries-and-Seers&p=809756&viewfull=1#post809756)

he had been gone for a week when he showed and shared what he did, was his concerned look from surprise we knew so much of what happened with the flight?

you might be much closer to the truth than you may know my friend...

[mosquito]

It seems like there are at least two scenari which can be ruled out:

1) A crash ....

2) Hijacking

I'd also add ...

3) False Flag operation: Because in those situations (think 9/11 and the "underwear" bomber) there is an answer being pumped into people's minds as the story unfolds, and there is always a very convenient solution to the "problem", ready and waiting to be implemented.

I'm baffled at the moment, and in view of what I've said above, I wouldn't be surprised if this were a black-op gone-wrong, hence the apparent confusion and lack of verdict/solution.

An interesting thought though - it's been suggested that the plane could have gone through a wormhole and will reappear in the future. But .... wouldn't it be more intriguing, and no less likely, if it were to be found under 2 miles of Antarctic ice, or if the message "MH370" were to be found among a batch of prehistoric cave paintings :eek:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Selene brings up an excellent point I haven't seen mentioned in all of the discussions or news clips...

The plane was redirected and brought in for a water landing, submarine pops up beside, unloads cargo and passengers, sinks the plane in one piece and disappears...

no refueling or landings...

it was dropping towards water passing over the Island, was the pilot waiting for a signal to splash it?

Could one of the witnesses flying over have possibly seen the operation?

How many countries have subs in the waters that could have accomplished this hijacking/piracy?

[toad]

lol how can you possibly rule out a crash simply because no one has found a debris field yet.

[Rocky_Shorz]

no one at this point can rule out any possibilities, but a country that can track a gnat on a monkey's butt from 12000 miles away, didn't lose sight of this plane...

the cover up is why everyone's hinky meters are going off saying there is more to this than just a crash...

[Elainie]

The latest is the plane now dropped to 12,000 feet after the sharp turn. I guess they need to come up with quick answers and might be manufacturing data.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Cidersomerset]

This may have been spotted and mentioned earlier ?

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Did somebody doctor photo of men who took Flight MH370? Fears of a cover-up
amid claims pictures show passengers with the same set of legs

Monday 24th March 2014 at 06:40 By David Icke


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/sitelogos/logo_mol.gif

Why did somebody doctor photo of men who took Flight MH370?

Fears of a cover-up amid claims pictures show passengers with the same set of legs

Both men pictured boarded missing Flight 370 with stolen passports

Fears pictures were doctored as both of the men have the same legs

Trousers, shoes, and shadows all identical, but upper bodies are different
Chinese aircraft spots 'suspicious objects' in Indian Ocean

More images of debris adrift in the Indian Ocean were released
French satellite image taken 850km from current search zone
Australia-led operation 'clutching' at any new information

Search continues but so far no wreckage has been recovered

By Ian Drury and Candace Sutton In Perth

PUBLISHED: 23:29, 23 March 2014 | UPDATED: 09:10, 24 March 2014


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Malaysia-Plane_Horo-2.jpg


‘Fears of a cover-up over the fate of flight MH370 grew yesterday after claims that
a photo of two passengers was tampered with.Images of two men who boarded the
Malaysian Airlines jet with stolen passports appear to show them having the same
set of legs.

CCTV footage stills released by officials three days after the Boeing 777-200
vanished from the skies shows the pair with identical green trousers and brown
shoes.’

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/23/article-2587554-1C867F0600000578-767_306x497.jpghttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/23/article-2587554-1C867F0200000578-439_306x497.jpg

Their feet and shadows are also in the same position, while their faces, T-shirts and
bags are different.The photo last night fuelled conspiracy theories over the fate of
the aircraft, which disappeared with 239 passengers and crew more than a fortnight
ago. One Twitter user wrote: ‘They both have the same legs, edited or coincidence?
And you guys believe our gov is not hiding anything.’
Malaysian police admitted the image of one man had been placed on top of the
other when they were photocopied.

But a spokesman said it was not ‘done with malice or to mislead’.

The men – thought to be Iranian asylum-seekers – have been named as Pouria
Nour Mohammad Mehrdad, 19, and 29-year-old Delavar Seyed Mohammadreza.
They travelled to Malaysia on Iranian passports before switching to stolen Austrian
and Italian documents.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587554/Did-somebody-doctor-photo-men-took-Flight-MH370-Fears-cover-amid-claims-pictures-passengers-set-legs.html#ixzz2wsGM4xKc
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CNN Reporter Rides Shotgun on Malaysia Flight Weeks Before it Disappeared


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http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Cidersomerset]

Sunrise : The journalist who met the Malaysia Airlines co-pilot

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Published on 17 Mar 2014

CNN editor Richard Quest filmed Fariq Hamid a month ago and
joins us from New York with his impressions of the Malaysia Airlines co-pilot.

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I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything ...LOL

A brief reminder from the back catalogue...

Most of you on here will be familiar with most
of these but new people looking in on this
thread as guests may not......

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on this brief radio interview , the same man says the
the drills were in the exact same stations bombed..
well need we say more....OH COINCIDENCE !!!

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and the latest I posted on Bills thread yesterday...

The Truthseeker: Media 'staged' Syria chem attack (E36)

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Published on 23 Mar 2014


BBC 'total fabrication from beginning to end' of Syria 'atrocity'; call to revoke visas
for intel agents posing as reporters in NATO targets; CIA caught infiltrating CNN,
and Operation Mockingbird is back.

Seek truth from facts with UK Member of Parliament George Galloway; Illinois
University Professor of International Law Francis Boyle; investigative reporter John
Helmer; ordinary Syrians; and Ukraine covergirl 'Julia'.

Read the full transcript http://on.rt.com/r4608l




and many more ...................



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The art of deception in war has been going on since first hiding behind a hill, tree
or rock......Rommel , Montgomery and all armies did it and during WW11 it
became an art and very ingenious much more than in this little clip but it gives
you an idea and is still going on....


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This is just to show smoke an mirrors is very old and with modern techniches
who knows what is real and an illusion.

[Cidersomerset]

For anyone wondering, I post so many mainstream reports knowing they can
be fed false leads and info from TPTB. We need contrast and a base to
start from and most of the info is true, so an illusion can be maintained....

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http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.1/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png


US & Canada24 March 2014 Last updated at 09:53

Malaysia flight MH370: China spots 'suspicious' objectsA Japanese team at the
Royal Australian Air Force base Pearce in Bullsbrook, 35 km north of Perth,
Australia, 23 March 2014 Japan has joined China, Australia, New Zealand and the
US in the southern Indian

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73764000/jpg/_73764494_64b721f1-a6e7-4c08-91aa-3d3d5425b278.jpg

A Chinese plane hunting for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane has
spotted "suspicious" objects, state media say, as more nations joined the search.

Searchers saw two "relatively big" objects with "many white smaller ones scattered
within a radius of several kilometres", Xinhua news agency said.

Meanwhile, Australia says its aircraft found two objects, one circular and one
rectangular, in its search area.

Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March with 239 people on board.

Ten planes were scheduled to scour the southern Indian Ocean area on Monday for
possible debris picked up earlier by radar echoes and satellite imagery.

Two Chinese military planes flew out to the search area, around 2,500 km (1,550
miles) south-west of Australian city Perth, on Monday morning, while two Japanese
P-3 Orion aircraft set off later in the day.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73759000/jpg/_73759442_circle_map.jpg


read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26678492

[panopticon]

Latest media release from AMSA on the Southern Indian Ocean Search. HMAS Success is in the area trying to locate the objects seen by the Orion crew.

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AMSA Media Release (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/24032014MediaUpdate15MH370FINAL.pdf)

Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 15

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority can advise objects have been located by a Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion.

HMAS Success is on scene and is attempting to locate the objects in the search for missing Malaysia Aircraft flight MH370.

The objects were spotted in the search area about 2500 kilometres south-west of Perth by the RAAF Orion about 2.45pm (AEDT).

The crew on board the Orion reported seeing two objects – the first a grey or green circular object and the second an orange rectangular object.

The objects identified by the RAAF Orion are separate to the objects reported by the Chinese Ilyushin IL-76 to AMSA earlier today.

The objects reported by the Chinese were also within today’s search area.

The US Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft sought to relocate the objects reported by the Chinese aircraft but were unable to do so.

The US Navy P8 is remains in the search area, while a second RAAF P3 and a Japanese P3 are en route to their assigned search areas.

The last of these aircraft will depart the search area about 11pm (AEDT).

Source (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/index.asp)

[Cidersomerset]

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Published on 24 Mar 2014

Footage shows a smoke marker in the south Indian Ocean,
where an object has been spotted in the hunt for missing
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.The marker was dropped by
the Royal Australian Air Force P-3 Orion aircraft, which
spotted two objects 2500km south west of Perth on Monday.

The Australian Navy is hoping to pick up the objects within a
few hours, Malaysia's transport minister said.

[Bill Ryan]

a country that can track a gnat on a monkey's butt from 12000 miles away, didn't lose sight of this plane...


Made me laugh. :)

For me, this is the nub of it.

[Roisin]

Bill Ryan stated:


Diego Garcia was one of the immediate destinations I thought of. It was within range, just. Camelot whistleblower 'Henry Deacon' talked of the place often. And it seems highly significant that it was one of the deleted practice destinations on the pilot's flight simulator (this seems to be a fact). Of course, the US would deny/ridicule that the plane flew there (and has), and no-one might ever know for sure. It does strike me as potentially significant that in the 24/7 headline coverage on CNN, Diego Garcia has as best I know NEVER been mentioned in reports or in any interviews. It's like they've been ordered not to mention the place under any circumstances.

I described a lucid dream I had on March 17th here 3 days ago where I saw a jumbo airliner PARKED on a tarmac at an airport with a long runway that was on a water body. When I made my first interpretation of it, I put too much focus on some other details in it causing me to say it flew north and not south but that was only my first interpretation of it where now, due to my new analysis of it. I too think it landed on Diego Garcia.

Once again, the main message of that super-sensible information I received was that the plane is PARKED at an airport somewhere and based on the inner eye vision that I had on March 11th, everyone on board has transited into another dimensional realm.

As for myself, I've seen and experienced too much in my personal life for me to NOT believe that the military/industrial complex is somehow complicit in the disappearance of this plane and Diego Garcia seems to fit the bill on where it ended up.

There was something on that plane and they didn't want China to have it.
As for what's going to happen to the plane itself, based on my first information I received, it very well may be used as a weapon, somewhere down the line.

[SilentFeathers]

I posted this yesterday HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64210-Member-Predictions-for-2014-and-Beyond-Intuition-Common-Sense-and-Research-Trends-Predictions-ONLY&p=813100&viewfull=1#post813100) in my prediction thread, waiting to see how accurate this is :)


Missing Flight MH370 Prediction:

They will soon find the missing 777, Flight MH370, approximately 1500 miles SW of Perth, Australia and blame the whole event on the pilot, Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah.

I originally was thinking this jet was at Diego Garcia, but now I'm more leaning towards that this thing was "stolen", cloaked (from basic tracking devices), and flown to the ends of the Earth and downed (near where they are searching now) with the intentions for it to never be found (until they wanted to find it). Something changed and now I believe they are really going to find it. (What changed and why they need to find it now I don't know).

The whole event was done as a demonstration and to send a message.....(sick huh?)

(A demonstration done by who and for who, a message sent from who and to who, well, I don't know that either).

[Gardener]

According to the talking heads on BBC news (tv) Its looking like they have located something a little more substantial. Relatives have been briefed and they are going to fly them to Australia. The Australian PM is going to make an announcement at 2pm gmt.


Roisin--->[...There was something on that plane...]
I agree.
They definitly needed a resolution to this mystery, they needed to find debris and move on. That doesn't resolve the mystery but relatives and the world needs closure.

Heartfelt sympathy to all whose lives have been blighted by this loss.
:sad:

[Roisin]

Actor James Rebhorn has died
http://entertainment.iafrica.com/movies/909035.html

A synchronicity perhaps? Whatever the case may be, when one considers the strange disappearance of the Malaysian plane and those conspiracy theories that are circulating around it including that it landed on Diego Garcia, a black military base in the middle of nowhere... and that this is the same actor who played that smarmy Sec. of Defense who knew about what was at Area 51 but didn't tell anyone.... until it was almost too late in that movie "Independence Day" and that he's all over the news now because he just passed away, I find that very interesting.

[Gardener]

They are saying that conclusions have been reached from data (inversat pings) that the plane flew south and is lost, all on board presumed dead. They are closing down the search. Not conclusive imho but there we are, closure.
Sad.

Edit: That's Inmarsat not inversat.

[panopticon]

According to the talking heads on BBC news (tv) Its looking like they have located something a little more substantial. Relatives have been briefed and they are going to fly them to Australia. The Australian PM is going to make an announcement at 2pm gmt.


The Malaysian Prime Minister just announced that the company who runs the satellite that traced the engine "pings" from MH370 has re-analysed the data. This new analysis indicates that the plane flew in the Southern corridor and ended up in the Southern Indian Ocean in the region off the Western Australian coast that the search is being undertaken.

Earlier the head of AMSA indicated that the satellite imagery they were getting from the various countries military satellites was very grainy and that he viewed this may have been deliberate so as to not let other countries know the level of resolution they were able to get. He seemed a little sad when he said it, as if to say "Why can't they just give me the information I need to do my job".

-- Pan

[Elainie]

Might be of interest but one of the remote viewers has just done another session on a new target- determining the plane's location and described it as feeling like an airplane hangar.



9555/5176]
Summary of ST

The main target is a living thing I find sitting in a cross-legged position. Something large, rounded, and with a flat top sits on the target’s head. There is up and down movement here. The target appears to have a somewhat stocky build, is sitting with straight back, and hands resting on knees. Clothing may be loose fitting. There is an acrid, pungent smell and the taste is salty. The temperature is warm. There are the sounds of crackling and rustling and there are voices. The emotions of excitement and suspicion are present. Associate with the target are the following: squatting, humorous, gathering, and meeting. There is the idea of ‘brightly lit room’. I feel puzzled.

There is a structure, a thing that is also a tool. It is an interior, huge in size, curved above, but also flat, angular, and straight surfaces are present. It is hard and edged, brown and red, acrid, earthy, bitter and salty, hot, and there is a clinking and dripping. There is also quietness here. Associated is burnished, twisted, protecting and maintenance. Light appears to be spilling in from the outside. There is the idea of ‘bright light through the gap in the door’. There is the re-occurring idea of ‘aircraft hanger’.I feel lonely.

There is a man-made structure (this appears to be the floor), a surface that is a casing. It is hard, bumpy, but also smooth and greasy. It is quite distinct. It is hard, both bumpy and smooth, and it is greasy. It is dark, black, and smells acrid, while the taste is bland and earthy. It is cool to touch, and there are the sounds of dripping and rhythmic thumping. The surface is flat, with long parallel straight indentations running along the surface as if cut into it by a machine and some kind of cross hatching pattern too. Associated with it are surety, and asking. There are the ideas of ‘base line for it’, ‘bottomed out’, and ‘red sign’. I feel frustrated and lonely.

[Atlas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bjf3noSCQAAHrx5.jpg:large

I don't get it. There is nowhere to go down south... :confused:

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Inmarsat’s role in the search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 began immediately after the aircraft disappeared, The Washington Post has reported.

Based on a series of hourly ‘handshakes’ received by one of Inmarsat’s satellites from the plane, Inmarsat calculated that the aircraft had flown along one of two routes – one arcing north and the other south – 24 hours after it vanished, said the newspaper.

The report added that the handshakes from the satellite – along with assumptions about the plane’s speed – helped Australia and the US National Transportation Safety Board to narrow down the search area to just 3 per cent of the southern corridor on 18 March.

[SilentFeathers]

I posted this yesterday HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64210-Member-Predictions-for-2014-and-Beyond-Intuition-Common-Sense-and-Research-Trends-Predictions-ONLY&p=813100&viewfull=1#post813100) in my prediction thread, waiting to see how accurate this is :)


Missing Flight MH370 Prediction:

They will soon find the missing 777, Flight MH370, approximately 1500 miles SW of Perth, Australia and blame the whole event on the pilot, Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah.

I originally was thinking this jet was at Diego Garcia, but now I'm more leaning towards that this thing was "stolen", cloaked (from basic tracking devices), and flown to the ends of the Earth and downed (near where they are searching now) with the intentions for it to never be found (until they wanted to find it). Something changed and now I believe they are really going to find it. (What changed and why they need to find it now I don't know).

The whole event was done as a demonstration and to send a message.....(sick huh?)

(A demonstration done by who and for who, a message sent from who and to who, well, I don't know that either).

They are now drafting their "Official Version" of what happen to Flight MH370, hmmm, I thought for sure they would somehow at least produce a somewhat convincing chunck of it to show people....but, nope. The next phase will likely be to smear and blame the pilot.


‘Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume that MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean. As you will hear in the next hour from Malaysia’s prime minister, new analysis of satellite data suggests the plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean.

‘On behalf of all of us at Malaysia Airlines and all Malaysians, our prayers go out to all the loved ones of the 226 passengers and of our 13 friends and colleagues at this enormously painful time.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/24/missing-flight-mh370-families-told-by-text-message-their-loved-ones-were-feared-dead-4676882/


ADDED:


The Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said debris located by satellite was from the missing aircraft, which disappeared 16 days ago while on a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16763180-malaysia-says-missing-flight-mh370-found-in-indian-ocean-with-all-lives-lost

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm thinking this is just another false flag. All of our attention is on the location of missing 370. Has it crashed? Has it been hijacked? Captured by aliens? It won't be the first time the news has been fabricated by Lamestream and the cabal.But why? Maybe what we should be doing is looking at what else is going on that they don't want us to see....

[Atlas]

The Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said debris located by satellite was from the missing aircraft, which disappeared 16 days ago while on a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16763180-malaysia-says-missing-flight-mh370-found-in-indian-ocean-with-all-lives-lost

I am unable to find this quote in the link you provided.

[Taurean]

I'm suprised nobody has picked on the motto on this coat of arms, seems a bit bizarre to me.

Diego Garcia is far from being an innocent unsinkable aircraft carrier in the middle of the Indian Ocean, it was actually designated an emergency landing strip for the Space Shuttle as the runway is over 3600 metres long. - That's for serious air movements.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia




British Indian Ocean Territories - Diego Garcia

Interesting coat of arms


25268

Motto translates ;-


“Limuria is in our charge/trust”

Now that could start a few conspiracy theories.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_the_British_Indian_Ocean_Territory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory

[Rocky_Shorz]

So Rolls Royce knew exactly what happened to this flight when it first disappeared - but was hushed, and UK used a "knew" special process to determine its final path?

now attention is swinging across to UK more than US...

what are they covering up?

are they jealous of US and China working together on a project they aren't profiting from so they intercepted?

something tells me Federal Reserve had a part in this somehow...

[SilentFeathers]

The Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said debris located by satellite was from the missing aircraft, which disappeared 16 days ago while on a flight to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16763180-malaysia-says-missing-flight-mh370-found-in-indian-ocean-with-all-lives-lost

I am unable to find this quote in the link you provided.

Wow, I can't find it either, they must of changed the language because I copied and pasted the quote from the article. (they changed the second paragraph, that's where I copied and pasted from)

[Elainie]

Another RVer's session:

[9555/5176]
Jeff C.
3-22-14
8:58 pm C.S.T.


Summary

There is a large, square, roomy area that has been jimmied open. It appears as if a person is going through to another place or room. They feel defensive. A passenger (possibly named Gary) feels reserved. A person is in the avionics place on a clandestine mission. They have sold-out.

A beige, cylindrical object is moving like a ‘truck’. It’s like it’s been ‘circumcised’. This is deliberate. Something reminds me of a ‘guard rail’. Something like a ‘van’ is crushed. Someone/something is wild while another male feels tame and cowardly.

Something is pulsing out. Something long, tubular and immense is covered by something like grand ice. It’s like a ‘war room’. Someone here feels defensive. (AOL – calibrated). There is balmy and wet land that is like the ‘tropics’. Bargaining is a relevant idea.

Finally, there is only brown, turbulent ocean, currents and stone. Comfort is felt here (AOL – deceased people). I am left wondering. There is a distant wrapping sound.

[Rocky_Shorz]

"beige cylindrical object" = submarine...

[Atlas]

“I have no feeling for what happened to this plane,” said David Learmount, operations and safety editor at Flightglobal, a Britain-based aviation news and data service. “The number of possibilities is so massive that it’s completely pointless.”

The existence of the radar data suggests that the Malaysian authorities may have missed a chance to send military jets to intercept, identify and track the plane as it passed over the country. General Rodzali said interceptors were not scrambled because the unidentified plane appeared to be a civilian aircraft and was not seen as hostile.

Aviation expert says possible mass military cover-up in MH370 probe
(http://news.malaysianreview.com/4928/military-mh370-found-hijacked/)
http://news.malaysianreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/diego-garcia-missing-mh370-found.jpg

Revelations that Thai military took ten days before reporting radar blips that could have been the lost Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have led a leading aviation expert to raise the possibility of a mass cover-up by Asian military officials.

David Learmount said that some countries may be withholding radar information because they do not want to expose holes in their air defences, reported MailOnline, the online version of the British Daily Mail.

Learmount wrote in his blog: "Maybe these states’ air defences, like Malaysia’s, are not what they are cracked up to be. And maybe they wouldn’t want the rest of the world to know that," he said in apparent reference to earlier reports that the Malaysian Air Force had only revealed that their radar had spotted the missing aircraft days after its disappearance.

Learmount, a former pilot and now operations and safety editor at online aviation portal Flightglobal, said that MH370 might have flown over several Asian countries including Thailand, Burma, China, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan.

He said some of these countries may be withholding vital radar data about flight MH370 for fear it would expose gaping holes in their expensive air defences.

If it emerges that an unidentified aircraft had been able to fly over a territory undetected and unchallenged it would amount to an embarrassing security failure, he said.

[Slorri]

They are now declaring that flight MH370 "ended" in the southern Indian ocean, west of Perth.

LIVE news conference 3/24 Malaysia Missing Plane!
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[Atlas]

How British satellite company Inmarsat tracked down MH370 (https://johnib.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/how-british-satellite-company-inmarsat-tracked-down-mh370/)

In a press statement this afternoon, Prime Minister Najib Razak said that, using a type of analysis “never before used in an investigation of this sort”, Inmarsat engineers have been able to establish that the plane’s last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

Although the main aircraft communications addressing and reporting system (which would usually transmit the plane’s position) was switched off, one of Inmarsat’s satellites continued to pick up a series of automated hourly ‘pings’ from a terminal on the plane, which would normally be used to synchronise timing information.

By analysing these pings, Inmarsat was able to establish that MH370 continued to fly for at least five hours after the aircraft left Malaysian airspace, and that it had flown along one of two ‘corridors’ – one arcing north and the other south. The plane was reportedly flying at a cruising height above 30,000 feet.



We looked at the Doppler effect, which is the change in frequency due to the movement of a satellite in its orbit, the aircraft adjusts for its own. What that then gave us was a predicted path for the northerly route and a predicted path the southerly route.

This information was relayed to Malaysian officials by 12 March, but Malaysia’s government did not publicly acknowledge it until 15 March, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Inmarsat’s engineers carried out further analysis of the pings and came up with a much more detailed Doppler effect model for the northern and southern paths. By comparing these models with the trajectory of other aircraft on similar routes, they were able to establish an “extraordinary matching” between Inmarsat’s predicted path to the south and the readings from other planes on that route.



By yesterday they were able to definitively say that the plane had undoubtedly taken the southern route. We worked out where the last ping was, and we knew that the plane must have run out of fuel before the next automated ping, but we didn’t know what speed the aircraft was flying at – we assumed about 450 knots. We can’t know when the fuel actually ran out, we can’t know whether the plane plunged or glided, and we can’t know whether the plane at the end of the time in the air was flying more slowly because it was on fumes.

Inmarsat passed the relevant analysis to the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) yesterday.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so they say the flight ended West of Perth in the Indian Ocean, that might be one of the first truths they've told...

that's where Diego Garcia is...

so they stopped all flights in and out for 3 days...

I wonder why?

[Atlas]

Inmarsat data narrows Missing Airliner’s Flight Path (http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/21/mh370_new_inmarsat_data_narrows_missing_airliner_s_flight_path.html)

Could any position data be deduced from the pings? "The ping timings got longer," Inmarsat spokesman Chris McLaughlin stated via email. That is to say, at each stage of its journey, the aircraft got progressively farther away from the geostationary satellite’s position, located over a spot on the equator south of Pakistan, and never changed its heading in a direction that took it closer—at least for very long.

The last known position of MH370 before it disappeared from Malaysia military radar was over the Andaman Sea, between the Malay Peninsula and the Andaman Islands. The time was about 2:15 a.m., and coincided with the first of the seven Inmarsat pings.

In order for its flight to have taken it ever farther from Inmarsat, MH370 would have had to have traveled within either of two narrow bands. One pointed north, toward India, Bangladesh, and Burma. The other pointed south, across Indonesian airspace and then across the Indian Ocean west of Australia.

The narrower range of possible flight paths reduces the number of plausible scenarios and suggests avenues of investigation. For instance, some have speculated that whoever was at the controls might have flown out over the open ocean, turned left and headed toward the southern arc in order to avoid passing through any areas of military radar coverage. That route is no longer possible. If the plane did travel south, its path should be detectable on stored Indonesian military radar returns.

[Rocky_Shorz]

a drone the size of a toy plane could have been launched to ping a signal to the Sat, at the same time, cloaking the plane...

[Ruby L.]

Text to families from Malaysian Airlines:

http://joecruzmn.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/crash-in-ocean.jpg


And:

A woman came out of the briefing room at Beijing's Lido Hotel, screaming, "You announce this information today. Is it really confirmed? What's your proof? We've been waiting for 17 days. You simply tell us this. Where is the proof? It's wrong to announce the information like this. Where is the proof? You haven't confirmed the suspected objects to tell us no one survived. Where is your proof after 17 days? You simply tell us this. The Chinese government should come forward and clarify this. This happened on March 8. My mother passed away on March 9. How can I survive? The government is too dark."

The woman's reaction, translated by CNN's Yuli Yang, comes amid reports that relatives are reacting with sadness and anger to today's announcement by Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak that the plane went down in the Indian Ocean.

by eliott.mclaughlin 4:13 PM

http://cnnworldlive.cnn.com/Event/Malaysian_Airlines_prime_minister_news_conference?sr=tw032414liveblog11astory

[Elainie]

"
I see similarities beginning with the archetypes, all three begin with a circular aspect X. The first session then went off, but two have one or more persons, one clearly at the center of attention. There is an 'avionics place' in one, 'aircraft hangar' and 'war room' in the other. Excitement, suspicion, meeting in one and a clandestine mission in the other. One has warm temperature, the other describes a tropical environment. Difference in session timing is likely to account for different looking snapshots, but a range of items seems to allow for connecting more dots.

Great work guys, and now I'm even more puzzled. If we haven't screwed up then the plot thickens. I've sought advice whether to latch on this target for further exploration."



http://www.rvcommunity.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=10434&start=75

[araucaria]

This is the story that keeps on giving. I bet no one was expecting this new twist: search will be affected by climate change say scientists ;)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/missing-malaysia-flight-mh370-search-will-be-affected-by-climate-change-say-scientists-9212135.html

[Ron Mauer Sr]

a country that can track a gnat on a monkey's butt from 12000 miles away, didn't lose sight of this plane...


Made me laugh. :)

For me, this is the nub of it.

So you're telling me they can track your phone, BUT .......

25350

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey! Maybe there's an opening to Hollow Earth near Diego Garcia and that's where they were taken! Just a thought...

[Atlas]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25260-flight-mh370-the-allure-of-the-conspiracy-theory.html#.UzCXKPmSySp


I, along with colleagues Chris French and Christopher Thresher-Andrews at Goldsmiths, University of London, wanted to see how many people were jumping to the conclusion that foul play was involved.

We asked over 400 people to rank six possible scenarios for the jet's disappearance – three accidental, three conspiratorial – from most to least plausible. The most popular scenario involved no conspiracy: half of those surveyed rated an accidental crash as most likely. However, just under one-fifth believed a hijacking to be the most plausible scenario, the second most popular choice.

A non-conspiratorial crash due to pilot error came third, preferred by 14 per cent. A more outlandish idea – that the disappearance was secretly orchestrated by the Chinese, Malaysian or US government – was rated most likely by a little under 7 per cent. Finally, just over 5 per cent ranked a spontaneous explosion as the most credible explanation, and a similar number rated a terrorist bombing as most likely.

[Bill Ryan]

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Personally, I'm now at this point:





I *feel* (and it's always possible I may be quite wrong -- it's not totally out of the question that we'll find out quite soon) that the huge search for the satellite-spotted debris in the Southern Ocean is all a distraction/diversion. This may be intended as fodder for the mainstream media, to stop their more astute and un-bought investigators turning over stones in other places. And if we're told even by honest journalists that the debris has been found, it might be challenging now to take such a report at face value.

[araucaria]

He said some of these countries may be withholding vital radar data about flight MH370 for fear it would expose gaping holes in their expensive air defences.

If it emerges that an unidentified aircraft had been able to fly over a territory undetected and unchallenged it would amount to an embarrassing security failure, he said.
I can't think why. It puts them in the same league as the USA who on 9/11/2001 self-confessedly allowed three airliners to go about their business unchallenged. No embarrassing security failure there we were told.

[SilentFeathers]

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Personally, I'm now at this point:





I *feel* (and it's always possible I may be quite wrong -- it's not totally out of the question that we'll find out quite soon) that the huge search for the satellite-spotted debris in the Southern Ocean is all a distraction/diversion. This may be intended as fodder for the mainstream media, to stop their more astute and un-bought investigators turning over stones in other places. And if we're told even by honest journalists that the debris has been found, it might be challenging now to take such a report at face value.




They're basically telling every one that, "We can't find it, but we know it's there where we are looking, so just accept our conclusion and go home".

In a perfect world of deception, they would of at least produced a chunk of debris that looked like a plane part, at least to present to the grieving families and journalists to be a bit more convincing. But instead, it's as if they just gave up.

We haven't heard the last of this yet.....

[Shikasta]

Latest from Veterans Today, re history of Inmarsat and "following the money" leads to some 'interesting' connections.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/24/flt-370-a-little-bit-of-prestidigitation/

[Ruby L.]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Coat_of_arms_of_the_British_Indian_Ocean_Territory.svg



I'm suprised nobody has picked on the motto on this coat of arms, seems a bit bizarre to me.
...
Motto translates ;- “Limuria is in our charge/trust”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

All very interesting, indeed, Taurean...

Following further in your Wiki link is also the story of the compelled expulsion of the Chagossians/indigenous inhabitants of Diego Garcia and other islands in the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT) by the United Kingdom, beginning in 1968 until April 27th 1973.

"Some Chagossians and human rights advocates have claimed that the Chagossian right of occupation was violated by the British Foreign Office as a result of the 1966 agreement between the British and American governments to provide an unpopulated island for a U.S. military base, and that additional compensation and a right of return be provided.
...

The British government has consistently denied any illegalities in the expulsion.
...

On April 1, 2010, the British Cabinet announced the creation of the world’s largest Marine Protected Area (MPA) which consists of most of the Chagos Archipelago, homeland of the Chagossians. The MPA will prohibit extractive industry of all kinds, including commercial fishing and oil and gas exploration.

Some Chagossians have claimed that this MPA was created to prevent the islanders from returning to the islands
...

According to leaked diplomatic cables obtained by Wikileaks and released in (Dec.) 2010, in a calculated move in 2009 to prevent re-settlement of the BIOT by native Chagossians, the UK proposed that the BIOT become a "marine reserve" with the aim of preventing the former inhabitants from returning to their lands.

The summary of the diplomatic cable is as follows :

HMG would like to establish a “marine park” or “reserve” providing comprehensive environmental protection to the reefs and waters of the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT), a senior Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) official informed Polcouns on May 12.

The official insisted that the establishment of a marine park -- the world’s largest -- would in no way impinge on USG use of the BIOT, including Diego Garcia, for military purposes. He agreed that the UK and U.S. should carefully negotiate the details of the marine reserve to assure that U.S. interests were safeguarded and the strategic value of BIOT was upheld. He said that the BIOT’s former inhabitants would find it difficult, if not impossible, to pursue their claim for resettlement on the islands if the entire Chagos Archipelago were a marine reserve.

The cable (reference ID "09LONDON1156" (http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/05/09LONDON1156.html)) was classified as confidential and "no foreigners", and leaked as part of the Cablegate cache.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulation_of_Diego_Garcia

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http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/ChagosMap-v3-940.gif

In FAQ on Chagos Conservation Trust (http://chagos-trust.org/faq-page) website:

Is the presence of the military base a threat to the Chagos ecosystem?

The island of Diego Garcia where the military base is located is in the far southeast of the archipelago, and is tens of miles, and in many cases hundreds of miles, away from most other islands, reefs and their surrounding waters. Whilst there has been damage to some reefs close to the military area of Diego Garcia, it is not highly significant in the context of the tens of thousands of square kilometres of reefs in the entire Chagos ecosystem.


Can I visit Chagos as a tourist/volunteer/photographer/journalist etc?
Unfortunately, these islands are very remote making visiting them impractical. There are no commercial tours to the Chagos archipelago. Rules regarding private visits are very strict and it is only possible to visit one or two sites by private yacht – and then only with permission of the BIOT government. Most non-government visitors to Chagos are highly skilled scientists who land a coveted position on one of the occasional research expeditions to the area. Therefore, unfortunately, there is almost no possibility of visiting or volunteering on these islands.

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Also from the website, (part) summary for the book 'Peak of Limuria, The Story of Diego Garcia and the Chagos Archipelago' (http://chagos-trust.org/shop/product/peak-limuria) by Richard Edis, ex-Commissioner of the BIOT :

The island is one of the remnants of the lost continent of Limuria; discovered by the Portuguese in the sixteenth century; disputed by the British and French in the eighteenth century; and for nearly two hundred years the site of a vibrant plantation society. The island has in recent years been transformed into an important military base, which played a critical role in the conflicts with Afghanistan (2002) and Iraq (1991 and 2003).

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Am currently watching 'Stealing A Nation', a documentary by John Pilger:
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Synopsis:
'Stealing A Nation' (2004) is an extraordinary film about the plight of the Chagos Islands, whose indigenous population was secretly and brutally expelled by British Governments in the late 1960s and early 1970s to make way for an American military base. The tragedy, which falls within the remit of the International Criminal Court as "a crime against humanity", is told by Islanders who were dumped in the slums of Mauritius and by British officials who left behind a damning trail of Foreign Office documents.

http://johnpilger.com/videos/stealing-a-nation

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.1/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

Missing plane: How did a UK firm track the plane?5 hours ago

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It has been announced that the missing flight MH370 crashed in the southern
Indian Ocean - with information based on analysis from British satellite firm
Inmarsat. They were able to work out the flight went south after comparing
previous Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 flights' satellite data with flight MH370.

Inmarsat's senior vice president for external affairs, Chris McLaughlin, told the
BBC's Richard Westcott that the firm studied electronic "pings" sent from the plane.

Read more

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26723980


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02861/MH370_satt_2861473c.jpg


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This is from the same company last week and shows the process

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This still does not answer the big questions

How or who turned off communications ?

Why turn south to crash in the middle
of the deepest ocean in the world ?

It does mean if the passengers are dead
then the patent issue will be interesting
and I expect that will disappear in legalese.

As the Romans used to say 'Cui Bono '

Who benefits ??



from previous post

I don't know , but they usually ask for motives and if true this is a big one below ...

%100 ownership for the Freescale Semiconductor company , and if they are
backed by bigger players IE mil ind corporations or the CIA /Pentagon
landing at Diego Garcia on the simulator may have greater meaning....



“Patents Patents Patents.

“Four days after the missing flight MH370 a patent is approved by the Patent Office,
four of the five Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor
of Austin TX.

“Patent is divided up on 20 per cent increments to five holders.

“Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20 per
cent); Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20
per cent); Freescale Semiconductor (20 per cent).

“If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of
the deceased if not disputed in a will.

“If four of the five dies, then the remaining one Patent holder gets 100 per cent of
the wealth of the patent.

“That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.”

It adds: “Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all four Chinese
members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane.

“Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their
heirs. “However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane
went missing, the patent had not been approved.”



There is plenty of scope for foul play as the Veterans Today article
suggested posted above...

Prestidigitation: sleight of hand

a : a cleverly executed trick or deception

b : a conjuring trick requiring manual dexterity

c : skill and dexterity in conjuring tricks

whole article on link
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/24/flt-370-a-little-bit-of-prestidigitation/


ZAPATA CORPORATION

Harbinger Group Inc. (NYSE:HRG), formerly Zapata Corporation, is a holding
company based in Rochester, New York, and originating from an oil company
started by a group including the former United States president George H. W. Bush.
Links between the company and the United States Central Intelligence Agency
exist . In 2009, it was renamed the Harbinger Group Inc. in an attempt to thwart
such affiliations.

Now we have come to the point in which we have asked what this “private”
company could hope to gain from providing misleading data and sending the world
to the southern Indian Ocean, which is the most desolate and dangerous ocean in
the world.

It has been stated that FLT 370 carried 12 crew members and 227 passengers from
15 nations. Who were these passengers? Out of the 227, 20 were employees of
Freescale Semiconductor, a company based in Austin, Texas – 12 were from
Malaysia, and 8 from China.

Freescale was involved in a classified government project with the U.S. Department
of Defense.

What is unusual is that the Malaysian government has continually refused to
release the cargo list. Was there something onboard that aircraft? Perhaps
something developed by the Freescale engineers and on its way to Beijing to be
sold or turned over to the Chinese?

Could it be that Inmarsat is complicit in diverting the delivery of this cargo and
group of engineers to Beijing?

Could it be that there are other reasons that those controlling Inmarsat do not want
the truth to be told about the whereabouts of the Malaysian Boeing 777?

A little “Sleight of Hand” and the world is convinced that Flt 370 lies beneath the
oceans.

read more
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/24/flt-370-a-little-bit-of-prestidigitation/

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Today we own and operate three constellations of 10 satellites flying in
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pioneer in space communications and the industry leader with the planned launch
of our fifth-generation Inmarsat-5 spacecraft in 2013-14.

http://www.inmarsat.com/about-us/our-satellites/

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[ponda]

a country that can track a gnat on a monkey's butt from 12000 miles away, didn't lose sight of this plane...


Made me laugh. :)

For me, this is the nub of it.

So you're telling me they can track your phone, BUT .......

25350


Something else to take into account is that "they" want everyone to "think" that they can monitor you 24/7... where ever you go and whatever you do..That "they" can see everything... everywhere...all the time.

The truth might be a bit different.

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)



Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)



Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)

a country that can track a gnat on a monkey's butt from 12000 miles away, didn't lose sight of this plane...
Made me laugh.

For me, this is the nub of it. So you're telling me they can track your phone, BUT .......

Attachment 25350
Something else to take into account is that "they" want everyone to "think" that they can monitor you 24/7... where ever you go and whatever you do..That "they" can see everything... everywhere...all the time.

The truth might be a bit different.


Chris McLaughlin says they already have the tech to stay in communication
via a text base system ? for a $ an hour. aprox 2.40 sec in below interview.

eCAle7_TEns

[Hervé]

LOOK !

https://fwtinw.dm2303.livefilestore.com/y2pJH4W-g0YWF6bxJ9n7KIh8x2F4nOrE79XJUgYpem3IYXhhrL1boBGfbIseRr9mA6_NYlrYLQmZ78t11u1tjBpSu8Z4_WzuKEQmfE1JSY6l pw/MH370-03.jpg?psid=1

http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/ChagosMap-v3-940.gif


So, how did they managed to get this:

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/satellite-contact-map-by-sergio-pec3a7anha-archie-tse-and-tim-wallace-source-malaysian-government.jpg

... with multiple eyewitnesses reporting of a low flying jet in the Maldives... North of Diego Garcia:



Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)



By Daniel Bosley (http://minivannews.com/author/daniel-bosley/) | March 18th, 2014 |


http://minivannews.com/files/2014/03/Boeing_777-200ER_Malaysia_AL_MAS_9M-MRO_-_MSN_28420_404_9272090094.jpg (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)


With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan

Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

“It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.
“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.

Police have confirmed they are looking into the reports without providing further comment.

Co-author of the original story (http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062) Ahmed Naif explained that Haveeru had been receiving similar reports since March 9, but had been concerned about the credibility of the sightings.

“Later we were getting so many comments that we contacted the island and they said it was true,” explained Naif.

One islander, who identified himself as Hamzath, told Minivan News that had also seen a low-flying plane heading from north-west to south-east, though he remained wary of jumping to conclusions.

“People started talking about it when they realised that the flight that we saw had the same characteristics as of the missing plane,” he said. ”We are still not saying it is the same plane, we just wanted to report it just in case.”

Another witness – who wished to remain anonymous – confirmed a similar height and direction but did not see the plane’s colours, while another suggested that the reports had been exaggerated.

“A plane did fly near the island,” said the anonymous witness. “It wasn’t that big, as big as people say.”

“These days people will be out fishing every morning. Around thirty people would always be there in the morning – but no one talked about it then. If it was that noticeable, loud and big, people would talk.”


http://minivannews.com/files/2014/03/73631595_malaysian_airliner_search_v1_976map1.gif

[Shikasta]

One issue that all the satellite searches highlighted was HOW MUCH human-created garbage is floating in our oceans. Remember the huge mid-oceanic garbage gyres that have been reported by marine travellers?

If some group wished to cover up what happened to MH370 they would likely know full well they have a great choice of floating garbage that could provide the 'evidence' they need to put this case to bed. Are any of the identified pieces of 'evidence' going to be recovered and properly examined?

I don't mind being proved wrong if parts of the plane are recovered and positively identified. But I'm not holding my breath while we wait for proper corroboration.

Cidersomerset, thanks for your interesting post above re the possible financial links.

Probably, like most people, I'm still unclear whether this was an elaborate distraction (from what?), a genuine accident, a botched hijack attempt or, as has been mentioned, 'disappearing' certain passengers or cargo that were on the plane. :confused:

[Cidersomerset]

2014 - BBC World News - Global: Inmarsat Confirms No Hope for MAS Flight MH-370 - 24/3/14

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Published on 24 Mar 2014


Jon Sopel presents this BBC World edition of Global, recorded at 2300 hrs SGT on
24 Mar 2014. The British satellite telecommunications company Inmarsat has now
confirmed what the world had feared - that Malaysia Airways flight MH370 was
surely lost in the southern Indian Ocean, south-west of Australia.

The following news report is reproduced from the BBC News online website
@ http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26...

The satellite operator was receiving hourly "pings" from equipment on board the
plane for at least five hours after the aircraft left Malaysian airspace.

Initially, these pings - which were essentially just "I'm switched on" messages -
were used to plot two broad arcs of possible travel - one arc going to the north, the
other heading south.

The northerly route always looked doubtful because it would have taken the plane
towards countries with sophisticated air-defence systems. The chances of it
avoiding detection seemed slim.

Inmarsat, which is feeding into the official investigation, spent the weekend
reviewing all of its flight MH370 data.

Doppler effect

In particular, it examined the frequency spectrum of the ping transmissions and
how they differed with pings emitted from previous Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777
flights.

This allowed engineers to model how the frequency might change very slightly as a
plane travels through the sky.

This is the famous Doppler effect, which acts to "stretch" or "compress" radio
waves emanating from moving objects. With a moving police car, the equivalent
sound effect is to change the pitch of the siren.

The analysis is cutting-edge and has never been done before, but it has enabled
Inmarsat's engineers to confirm that the southerly arc was the path taken by flight MH370.

The analysis tells us nothing about the location of the ill-fated plane. It tells us
nothing about the altitude the plane flew, other than it was airborne.

Neither does it tell us about its speed or its fuel capacity at the times of those
pings. All this technique really does at the moment is tell us that the plane was
moving one way rather than the other.

But that in itself is a stomach-churning realisation for the families of flight MH370
because it means the plane was moving far away from any landing possibility. The
only conclusion can be that it eventually ditched in the ocean.

Right 'haystack'

Chris McLaughlin, senior vice-president at Inmarsat, told BBC News it was "dealing
with a totally new area". Analysts will continue probe the available data, but it is
uncertain whether anything more can be drawn out.

The UK's Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB), which has worked with
Inmarsat on the pings, is expected to go into more detail in Tuesday.

At least now search planes and ships know they are likely looking in the
right "haystack", even if it is still a huge one.But there is urgency. A lot of time has
elapsed between the loss of the plane and confirmation that it surely fell into the
southern Indian Ocean.The priority is to get ships into the area to retrieve
purported debris items, to help narrow the zone of the probable of impact.
The flight recorders from flight MH370 will be close to that location, albeit about
3,500m down.

The batteries on these "black boxes" have a 30-day, or perhaps even a 40-day,
lifetime, meaning they will continue to ping their existence to searchers overhead
for only a limited period.When the batteries go flat, we move into a much more
difficult phase - that of using remotely operated vehicles to actively look for the devices.

'Remoteness of area'

"The data should last for many years. We saw with Air France flight 449 that the
black boxes were recovered two years after the fact, and the French were able to
pull all the data off them," said Van Gurley from the Metron company, which took
part in the search for flight 449.

"In this region of the Indian Ocean, the bottom is about two miles down. There are
a number of technologies - sonar sleds and robotic vehicles - that can access that depth.

"The problem is the remoteness of the area because those robotic vehicles need a
support ship and a support ship needs to occasionally go [into port] for fuel, water and food.

"So, given that the search area is 1,500 miles off Perth, just keeping ships on
station for an extended period of time will be very challenging."

And Simon Boxall, an oceanographer at the University of Southampton, added: "We
don't have very good maps of this region. It hasn't been surveyed much in the past.

"It doesn't have a strong interest in terms of the resources on the seabed. We've
probably got better maps of the Moon's surface than this part of the seabed."

[superconsciousness]

Always important to answer the question, "Who gains?"

[Cidersomerset]

MH370 search: How new satellite data confirmed Malaysia Airlines plane was lost

wM7cbvnbICI

Published on 24 Mar 2014


MH370: SEVEN SATELLITE PINGS REVEAL FATE
British satellite company Inmarsat analyses seven, hourly pings sent by the missing
Malaysian Airlines flight to determine its final resting place.

London: A new, unprecedented satellite tracking technique is what gave Malaysian
Prime Minister Najib Razak enough confidence to announce that Malaysia Airlines
flight MH370 went down in the remote south of the Indian Ocean.
British firm Inmarsat was behind an earlier analysis that indicated the plane had
been flying in one of two big 'corridors', one in the northern hemisphere and one in
the southern.However last week it went back to its data and tried a new
mathematical analysis, which concluded on Sunday.

Advertisement
The new analysis allowed them to discard the northern corridor, and focus more
precisely on the southern route.Based on this new information, Mr Najib announced
on Monday that MH370's last known position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean,
west of Perth.The nature of the pings indicated that the plane was still moving
during that time."This is a remote location far from any possible landing sites," he
said. "It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that ...
flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."The aeroplane had
Inmarsat's 'Classic Aero' satellite system, which collects information such as
location, altitude, heading and speed, and sends it through Inmarsat's satellites
into their network.This 'ACARS' (aircraft communications addressing and reporting
system) was switched off or interrupted early in the flight, meaning no such
information was available to track the plane.However the Classic Aero system still
sent hourly 'pings' back to Inmarsat's satellite for at least five hours after the
aircraft left Malaysian airspace, the company discovered.These pings contained no
data -- they were just a simple 'hello' to keep the link open -- however their timing
and frequency contained hidden mathematical clues.

The company looked at the 'Doppler effect' -- tiny changes in the frequency of the
ping signal, caused by the relative movement of the satellite and the plane (the
Doppler effect is the reason why, for example, police sirens are a different pitch or
frequency depending on whether they are travelling toward you or away from you).
This analysis allowed Inmarsat to map two huge 'corridors' for the plane's possible
location, in big arcs stretching thousands of kilometres north and south of the point
where the last radar contact with MH370 was made.Australian and US experts took
this information, added some assumptions about the plane's speed, and narrowed
the southern option into an area of ocean that could be realistically searched.
Meanwhile, Inmarsat went back to its satellite data. Its new analysis found that the
northern route did not quite correlate with the frequency of the pings from the
plane -- meaning the plane must have been heading south.

It also suggested that the plane had been travelling at a steady cruising altitude
above 30,000 feet.They compared satellite data from MH370 with that from
previous Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 flights, going back a few weeks, in order to
better model the movement of the plane."This really was a shot in the dark," Chris
McLaughlin, senior vice president of external affairs at Inmarsat told the BBC. "It's
a credit to the scientific team that they managed to model this.
"Just a single 'ping' can be used to say the plane was both powered up and
travelling. And then by a process of elimination comparing it to other known flights
and established that it went south."

The UK's Air Accidents Investigation Branch also contributed to the analysis.

====================================================

I knew I heard them talking about the Doppler effect somewhere...

h4OnBYrbCjY

[Hervé]

Here we go... portals to who knows where:

A second Bermuda Triangle? Six other planes have disappeared in same area as Malaysian Flight MH370 without a trace (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-seven-3241706)

Rebecca Pocklington
The Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-seven-3241706)
Fri, 14 Mar 2014 14:36 CDT

[...]

According to data compiled by the Aviation Safety Network (ASN), 83 aircraft which carried more than 14 passengers have been declared missing since 1948 across the world - and that doesn't count the smaller aircraft.

Here are some more planes that have disappeared in the area:

Pan Malaysian Air Transport in 1993

A Pan Malaysian Air Transport plane disappeared on January 31, 1993, within Northern Sumatra. It was en route from Medan-Polonia Airport to Banda Aceh-Blang Bintang Airport, both in Indonesia. The Shorts SC.7 Skyvan 3-100 disappeared over mountains, and the last reported position was at 8500-foot, 67 miles from Medan. It was carrying 14 people, 11 of them passengers and three crew, and no one was seen alive again.

Upali Air flight N482U in 1983

The Upali Air flight N482U disappeared on February 13, 1983, 20km off Kuala Selangor, Malaysia, in the Malacca Straits. It was carrying six people - three of them passengers and three crew. The Learjet 35A was en route from Kuala Lumpur airport in Malaysia to Colombo-Katunayake, Sri Lanka.

The corporate jet was carrying Sri Lankan multi-millionaire businessman Upali Wijewardene. The last radio contact, according to ASN, was 15 minutes after takeoff when the pilot reported he was climbing. The pilot was supposed to contact Medan but never did. A survival pack, believed to be from the Learjet, was found a few days later but no more clues were ever found.

Garuda Indonesia Airlines in 1961

In one of the largest air disasters in the area, the Garuda Indonesia Airlines flight PK-GDY disappeared off Madura Island in Indonesia on February 3, 1961.

It was en route from Juanda Airport to Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman Airport, both in Indonesia, when it mysteriously vanished. The five crew and 21 passengers were never seen again, and it is believed the plane crashed into the sea.

Weather reconnaissance flight Swan 38 in 1974

Hurricane Hunter flight Swan 38, from the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron, was lost during Typhoon Bess in 1974 somewhere over the South China Sea. The typhoon had slowed to still strong 75 mph winds, and Swan 38 was sent out to provide reconnaissance information on October 12.It reportedly departed Clark Air Base in the Philippines and was 400 miles northwest of Clark AFB when the last radio contact was made. Search and rescue teams spent four days scouring the sea but no trace was found, according to wunderground.com.

The six crewmen were declared missing and presumed dead.

Charles Kingsford Smith's Lady Southern Cross in 1935

Charles Kingsford Smith, known as Smithy, was an Australian airman who set his sights on beating the England to Australia air speed record. He set out on November 8, 1935, in his Lockheed Altair monoplane, the Lady Southern Cross, but lost contact with the ground somewhere over the Andaman Sea. He was never seen again and it is unclear what happened to his plane - but it is thought it crashed into the sea.

GW Salt and FB Taylor's private plane in 1932

English planters, GW Salt and FB Taylor went missing along with their plane over the Gulf of Martaban in southern Burma on August 12, 1932. They were flying from Moulmein (Mawlamyine) to Rangoon (Yangon) in Burma, in a huge attempt to get all the way to England. Their small plane G-AAKA is believed to have crashed into the sea. The wreckage of a plane was spotted in September that year in the Gulf of Martaban - but it was never confirmed as the planters' plane.

[naste.de.lumina]

This company Inmarsat, doing a bit of positive publicity around this event.

Only one question.

If the airplane is actually on the ocean floor as they say, where's the ****ing signs of the black boxes?


How to Steal an Airplane: From 9/11 to MH370 by Corbett report (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=811379&viewfull=1#post811379)

[Sérénité]

I've asked many people I know the same question.

If you was on a flight and something was wrong, what's the first thing you would do?
They all pretty much said the same thing...you'd reach for your phone and contact your loved ones.

If nobody done this, then its logical to say that before any of the passengers and airline staff knew something was wrong, all the people on board this plane were already incapacitated or deceased.

OR,
ALL outgoing contact from this plane was jammed or made in-accessible by someone, or something...

[Gardener]

Probably got nothing to do with anything but this snippit struck me as a little odd in view of Roisin's earlier post.

25 MARCH 2014 Prince Harry has whisked his girlfriend Cressida Bonas away for a short skiing holiday in Kazakhstan.

The couple flew by helicopter to the exclusive resort of Shymbulak, a luxury chalet located in the mountains above the city of Almaty.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2014032517727/prince-harry-cressida-spotted-kazakhstan-ski-holiday/

[Cidersomerset]

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25 March 2014 Last updated at 10:53

Malaysia Airlines MH370:

Relatives in Beijing scuffles

vids on link one with the airline owner...

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BBC asks airline boss Ahmad Jauhari Yahya if he feels "personally responsible"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26728045

Angry relatives of passengers on board the missing Malaysia Airlines plane
have clashed with police outside Malaysia's embassy in the Chinese capital Beijing.

It came after Malaysian PM Najib Razak said a new analysis of satellite data showed
the plane had ended its journey in remote seas south-west of Australia.

China has asked to see the data on which Malaysia's conclusion was based.

The search for missing flight MH370 has been suspended because of bad weather.

A multinational search effort has focused on seas some 2,500km (1,500 miles)
to the south-west of the Australian city of Perth.

Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March as it flew from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
It was carrying a total of 239 people, including 153 Chinese nationals.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73790000/jpg/_73790672_73790671.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73784000/gif/_73784179_malaysian_airliner_wide_search_624_240313.gif

read more..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26728045

[Cidersomerset]

If this is true...WTF...!!

We all suspect there is.....

http://therealsingapore.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/image/5248593727_364ca32dff.jpg?itok=mL6AaHuZ

But where these people are involved anything is possible and life is cheap in
their world compared to wealth and power....

I'm trying to find some corroborative articles, it says its source is
www.express.co.uk#sthash.FfxRPAuE.6SUQbopk.dpuf
which goes to the Express link but I cannot find it on there yet....

It might be this article they are quoting from which was posted or
parts of.....


Freescale’s shareholders include the Carlyle Group of private equity investors whose
past advisers have included ex-US president George Bush Sr and former British
Prime Minister John Major.Carlyle’s previous heavyweight clients include the Saudi
Binladin Group, the construction firm owned by the family of Osama bin Laden.


“Patents Patents Patents.

“Four days after the missing flight MH370 a patent is approved by the Patent Office,
four of the five Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX.

“Patent is divided up on 20 per cent increments to five holders.

“Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20 per
cent); Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20
per cent); Freescale Semiconductor (20 per cent).

“If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of
the deceased if not disputed in a will.

“If four of the five dies, then the remaining one Patent holder gets 100 per cent of
the wealth of the patent.

“That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.”

It adds: “Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all four Chinese
members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane.

“Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their
heirs. “However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane
went missing, the patent had not been approved.”


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company

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World truth.TV.....

Rothschild Inherits a Semiconductor Patent For Freescale Semiconductors



http://worldtruth.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fc1d76b92905d06679be693c7a4389c0_article.jpg


‘The disappearance of four members of a patent semiconductor traveling on
Malaysia Airlines MH370 makes the famous billionaire Jacob Rothschild the sole
owner of the important patent.

The mystery surrounding the Malaysian Airlines MH-370 is growing as each day
passes with more mysterious silence shadowing the disappearance of the airline.
More and more conspiracy theories are beginning to boom on the internet. One of
the conspiracies one is the Freescale Semiconductor’s ARM microcontroller ‘KL-03′
which is a new improvised version of an older microcontroller KL-02. This crazy
story about how Illuminati Rothschild exploited the airlines to gain full Patent Rights
of an incredible KL-03 micro-chip is going haywire across the internet especially
when it’s involving Jacob Rothschild as the evil master plotter.

A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines
Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar
systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.

Freescale Semiconductor has been developing microprocessors, sensors and other
technology for the past 50 years. The technology it creates is commonly referred to
as embedded processors, which according to the firm are “stand-alone
semiconductors that perform dedicated computing functions in electronic systems”.’

Why were so many Freescale employees traveling together? What were their jobs.
Were they on a mission and if so what was this mission? Can these employees be
the cause of the disappearance of this plane? Could the plane have been then
hijacked and these people kidnapped? Did these employees hold valuable
information, did they have any valuable cargo with them? Did they know company
and technological secrets? With all the might of technology why cant this plane be
located? Where is this plane where are these people?”

The 20 Freescale employees, among 239 people on flight MH370, were mostly
engineers and other experts working to make the company’s chip facilities in
Tianjin, China, and Kuala Lumpur more efficient, said Mitch Haws, vice president,
global communications and investor relations.

“These were people with a lot of experience and technical background and they
were very important people,” Haws said. “It’s definitely a loss for the company.”

In Malaysia, Freescale’s modern operations facility that manufactures and tests
integrated circuits (IC) is based in Petaling Jaya.

Based on information obtained from Freescale’s website, the facility began
operations in 1972 covering an eight hectare site and is specifically designed for the
manufacturing and testing of microprocessors, digital signal processors and
integrated radio frequency circuits.

It also owns Freescale RF which is involved in creating solutions for Aerospace and
Defence listed below.

1. Battlefield communication

2. Avionics

3. HF Radar – Band L- and S-

4. Missile Guidance

5. Electronic Warfare

6. Identification, friend or foe (IFF)


http://worldtruth.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/freescale-kinetis-kl03.jpg

freescale-kinetis-kl03

Freescale’s shareholders include the Carlyle Group of private equity investors whose
past advisers have included ex-US president George Bush Sr and former British
Prime Minister John Major.

Carlyle’s previous heavyweight clients include the Saudi Binladin Group, the
construction firm owned by the family of Osama bin Laden.

The fact that Freescale had so many highly qualified staff on board the Boeing 777
had already prompted wild conspiracy theories about what might have happened.

The company says they were flying to China to improve its consumer products
operations, but Freescale’s fresh links to electronic warfare technology is likely to
trigger more speculation and deepen the mystery.

Experts have been baffled how a large passenger jet seems to have flown
undetected and possibly beaten military radar systems for up to six hours.

Avoiding radar via “cloaking technology” has long been one of the objectives of the
defense industry and Freescale has been active developing chips for military radar.

On its website, the company says its radio frequency products meet the
requirements for applications in “avionics, radar, communications, missile guidance,
electronic warfare and identification friend or foe”.

Last June it announced it was creating a team of specialists dedicated to
producing “radio frequency power products” for the defense industry.

And on March 3, it announced it was releasing 11 of these new gadgets for use
in “high frequency, VHF and low-band UHF radar and radio communications”.

The company did not respond to questions from Express Online, including whether
any of its missing employees had been working on the defense products.

It neither provided any responses to the latest bizarre conspiracy theory being
widely published on the comments sections of newspaper websites and other
internet forums.

The comment reads: “It reads: “Have you pieced together the puzzle of missing
flight 370 to Beijing China? If not, here are your missing pieces.

Four days after the flight MH370 disappear, semiconductor patent was approved
by the U.S. patent office patent is divided in parts of 20% between five starters.
One of the owners is the company itself, Freescale Semiconductor, Austin, Texas
(USA), and the other four Chinese employees of the company: Peidong Wang,
Zhijun Chen, Cheng and Li Ying Zhijong, all the Suzhou City. And they all
passengers of Malaysia Airlines plane disappeared on March 8, according Eternity .
- See more at: http://worldtruth.tv/rothschild-inherits-a-semiconductor-patent-
for-freescale-semiconductors/#sthash.wRTrZWq4.dpuf

It adds: “Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all four Chinese
members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane.

Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their
heirs. “However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane
went missing, the patent had not been approved.”

However, the absurd theory does not add up.

Although a Freescale patent does exist under number US8650327, none of the
names listed actually appear on the passenger manifest released by the Malaysian
authorities. ( But maybe the names have been removed from the flight manifest)

If the patent holder dies, the other owners share equally in dividends from the
deceased. If four of the five patentees die, then the patentee left alive gets 100%
of the patent. That remaining patent holder is the company Freescale
Semiconductor. Who owns Freescale Semiconductor? The answer is: Jacob
Rothschild. British billionaire owns the company Blackstone, which in turn owns the
company Freescale Semiconductors. Several speculations on the Internet now pay
attention to this circumstance. The Rothschilds are a dynasty of financiers and
international bankers of German-Jewish origin . The family is from the nineteenth
century one of the most influential families of bankers and financiers of Europe.

The search continues for Flight MH370 but speculation surrounding its fate grows
by the day.
- See more at: http://worldtruth.tv/rothschild-inherits-a-semiconductor-patent-
for-freescale-semiconductors/#sthash.wRTrZWq4.dpuf

Click here to enlarge the patent number

http://worldtruth.tv/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1111.png

Source: www.express.co.uk

http://worldtruth.tv/rothschild-inherits-a-semiconductor-patent-for-freescale-semiconductors/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[araucaria]

I still think that a vanishing plane with twenty cloaking technologists on board has to suggest more than getting patent-holders out of the way. If your pet rabbit just happens to go missing when you have a magician in the house, you might not need to imagine some wild fox in the garden.

Stage two of the cloaking scenario means taking the whole incident off the media radar, out of the mainstream headlines. This has now started, but, as someone posted a while back, any hard evidence will not be credible as it can be faked. The more we hear about the patent scenario, the less likely it is to be the whole story.

[Roisin]

Probably got nothing to do with anything but this snippit struck me as a little odd in view of Roisin's earlier post.

25 MARCH 2014 Prince Harry has whisked his girlfriend Cressida Bonas away for a short skiing holiday in Kazakhstan.

The couple flew by helicopter to the exclusive resort of Shymbulak, a luxury chalet located in the mountains above the city of Almaty.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2014032517727/prince-harry-cressida-spotted-kazakhstan-ski-holiday/

Ha! They are probably being served horse-meat for lunch there. To me, that's like eating Bambi. :fear:

[Camilo]

Flight 370: Who’s Behind the Unquestionable Coverup?

Posted: 24 Mar 2014 05:35 AM PDT

I quote this article:

The following excerpt is from a retired US Air Force Colonel who currently flies the Boeing 777/200 for a major airline:

“Just a quick update with what I know about the Malaysia 777 disappearance. The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly. It is a great, safe airplane to fly. It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load. It’s also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it. Sometimes, even that doesn’t work…

There’s many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane now to Malaysia. There are so many communication systems on the airplane: 3 VHF radios, 2 SatCom systems, 2 HF radio systems, plus Transponders and active, ‘real time’ monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems. The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc. as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels. Big Brother for sure! However, most of these things can be turned off.

But, there are a few systems that can’t be turned off and one is the engine monitoring systems. The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200’s, uses Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia….Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers….because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777’s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure. It wasn’t bad enough to set off the airplane’s alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers. They are in England, they contact our dispatch in (REDACTED), Dispatch sends a message to the crew via SatCom in the North Pacific, telling them that RR wants them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine.
The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in, the left engine shut itself down using it’s redundant, computerized operating system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the air…only on the ground. Pretty good tech. Anyway, the point was that RR monitors those engines 100% of the time they are operating.

And this:

We know these things for certain:

Those responsible are terrorists fully sanctioned by multiple governments with broad control over the international press
The willingness to do something this brazen is very real proof this isn’t the first time. It brings everything claimed to have occurred on 9/11/2001 not only in question but clearly establishes both capability and intent. If “they” did it now, they did it then and will do it again if “they” wish.
Recent plans for terrorist attacks against Ukrainian Air Force facilities, as outlined in emails intercepted and published by “Anonymous Ukraine” show identical intent and nearly identical capability.

Modern airliners cannot disappear. They can’t be hijacked or stolen, not without the full involvement of a SOCOM or Special Operations Command with the ability to control news reporting, suppress not just radar but sensor data, so much data that only a very few have a remote idea of how outlandish this story is.

We have already heard, first hand, how the plane tracks itself in ways that can’t be turned off. Thus, we know the team at Rolls Royce can tell us within 30 yards of where the engines were first turned off yet they have never said a word.

I accept this as proof that a British intelligence agency is very much a part of the fate of flight 370. This is now “a given.”

Four nations have the capability of tracking Malayan Airlines Flight 370. In fact, disabling the planes communications is an impossibility.

End of quote.

So, all this air search nonsense is just for the plebeians, as part of the cover-up, as part of the posturing to be seen to be doing their best to find it.

The only questions are who hijacked it and why, and who is complicit. Britain and the US for two, for obvious reasons. This probably means Israel, also.

http://www.richardpresser.com/wordpr...er%27s+Blog%29

[Camilo]

FLT 370 – A Little Bit of Prestidigitation

An interesting perspective on flight 370.

The Malaysian government and several members of the search and rescue teams involved have publicly thanked INMARSAT for their diligent review of the data. So who exactly is INMARSAT, and what could a private company hope to gain by providing information which may be a “sleight of hand” rather than a valid end to the Saga?

And…

Harbinger Group Inc. (NYSE:HRG), formerly Zapata Corporation, is a holding company based in Rochester, New York, and originating from an oil company started by a group including the former United States president George H. W. Bush. Links between the company and the United States Central Intelligence Agency exist . In 2009, it was renamed the Harbinger Group Inc. in an attempt to thwart such affiliations.

And…

Harbinger has owned large stakes in The New York Times Company, Cleveland-Cliffs, and 28% stock ownership of satellite communications company Inmarsat.

RP

[Roisin]

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: China demands Malaysian satellite data
CBC.ca

China demanded Tuesday that Malaysia turn over satellite data used to conclude that a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet was lost in the southern Indian Ocean with no survivors during a flight to Beijing.

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Based on the way they run their airline, one wonders if Malaysia's satellite can even locate the planet EARTH.

[SilentFeathers]

FLT 370 – A Little Bit of Prestidigitation

An interesting perspective on flight 370.

The Malaysian government and several members of the search and rescue teams involved have publicly thanked INMARSAT for their diligent review of the data. So who exactly is INMARSAT, and what could a private company hope to gain by providing information which may be a “sleight of hand” rather than a valid end to the Saga?

And…

Harbinger Group Inc. (NYSE:HRG), formerly Zapata Corporation, is a holding company based in Rochester, New York, and originating from an oil company started by a group including the former United States president George H. W. Bush. Links between the company and the United States Central Intelligence Agency exist . In 2009, it was renamed the Harbinger Group Inc. in an attempt to thwart such affiliations.

And…

Harbinger has owned large stakes in The New York Times Company, Cleveland-Cliffs, and 28% stock ownership of satellite communications company Inmarsat.

RP

Properly named, "Harbinger"

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Flight 370: Who’s Behind the Unquestionable Coverup?

Posted: 24 Mar 2014 05:35 AM PDT

I quote this article:

The following excerpt is from a retired US Air Force Colonel who currently flies the Boeing 777/200 for a major airline:

“Just a quick update with what I know about the Malaysia 777 disappearance. The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly. It is a great, safe airplane to fly. It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load. It’s also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it. Sometimes, even that doesn’t work…

There’s many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane now to Malaysia. There are so many communication systems on the airplane: 3 VHF radios, 2 SatCom systems, 2 HF radio systems, plus Transponders and active, ‘real time’ monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems. The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc. as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels. Big Brother for sure! However, most of these things can be turned off.

But, there are a few systems that can’t be turned off and one is the engine monitoring systems. The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200’s, uses Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia….Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers….because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777’s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure. It wasn’t bad enough to set off the airplane’s alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers. They are in England, they contact our dispatch in (REDACTED), Dispatch sends a message to the crew via SatCom in the North Pacific, telling them that RR wants them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine.
The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in, the left engine shut itself down using it’s redundant, computerized operating system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the air…only on the ground. Pretty good tech. Anyway, the point was that RR monitors those engines 100% of the time they are operating.

And this:

We know these things for certain:

Those responsible are terrorists fully sanctioned by multiple governments with broad control over the international press
The willingness to do something this brazen is very real proof this isn’t the first time. It brings everything claimed to have occurred on 9/11/2001 not only in question but clearly establishes both capability and intent. If “they” did it now, they did it then and will do it again if “they” wish.
Recent plans for terrorist attacks against Ukrainian Air Force facilities, as outlined in emails intercepted and published by “Anonymous Ukraine” show identical intent and nearly identical capability.

Modern airliners cannot disappear. They can’t be hijacked or stolen, not without the full involvement of a SOCOM or Special Operations Command with the ability to control news reporting, suppress not just radar but sensor data, so much data that only a very few have a remote idea of how outlandish this story is.

We have already heard, first hand, how the plane tracks itself in ways that can’t be turned off. Thus, we know the team at Rolls Royce can tell us within 30 yards of where the engines were first turned off yet they have never said a word.

I accept this as proof that a British intelligence agency is very much a part of the fate of flight 370. This is now “a given.”

Four nations have the capability of tracking Malayan Airlines Flight 370. In fact, disabling the planes communications is an impossibility.

End of quote.

So, all this air search nonsense is just for the plebeians, as part of the cover-up, as part of the posturing to be seen to be doing their best to find it.

The only questions are who hijacked it and why, and who is complicit. Britain and the US for two, for obvious reasons. This probably means Israel, also

Very interesting and credible. Please include a link to the article.

[Camilo]

Flight 370: Who’s Behind the Unquestionable Coverup?

Very interesting and credible. Please include a link to the article.

Here you go...

http://www.richardpresser.com/wordpress/flight-370-whos-behind-the-unquestionable-coverup/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RichardPressersBlog+%28Richard+Presser%27s+Blog%29

[SilentFeathers]

I wonder if any one had the brains to check the fuel records of this plane to see exactly how much fuel was loaded into this jet before it took off from Malaysia? I haven't seen one article clarifying the amount of fuel this jet was carrying when it took off.


On November 10, 2005, the 777-200LR set a world record for the longest non-stop flight. The plane, which departed from Hong Kong traveling to London, took a longer route, which included flying over the U.S. It flew 11,664 nautical miles (21,601 km) during its 22-hour 42-minute flight. It was flown by Pakistan International Airlines pilots and PIA was the first airline to fly the 777-200LR Worldliner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing

Regardless, if this jet miraculously shows up somewhere (other than at the bottom of the Southern Indian Ocean), INMARSAT will look a bit more ridiculous than the Malaysian Government.

[SilentFeathers]

It's quite amazing that this thing flew for 7 to 8 hours basically "cloaked and invisible" (so they claim). Guess that's what happens when the NSA is too busy spying on Bubba and his other brother Bubba talking about their cute cousin Sally and Navy Intelligence is too busy logging civilian parking tickets, and the CIA is too busy recruiting more radical Islamic freedom fighters to inject in to Crimea/Ukraine, and NASA is too busy trying to cover up incoming data coming in from outer space! lol!


Malaysian authorities at the forefront of the missing MH370 investigation have revealed that the flight most probably plunged into the southern Indian Ocean between 8:11am and 9:15am on Saturday, March 8.

Malaysia’s Defence and acting Transport Minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, said the new details were the result of never-before-used technology that has helped traced the Boeing 777's final moments on a deadly flight path.

MH370's last complete communication was captured on an Inmarsat satellite that was covering two massive southern and northern corridors at 8:11am.

Just eight minutes later, there is evidence of a partial communication with the ground station.

Sometime between 8:19am and 9:15am, all communication was lost.

Investigating authorities have concluded that MH370 crashed into the southern Indian Ocean during that 56 minutes because it would have been out of fuel.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/22169428/weather-adds-to-searchers-woes/

This information is quite remarkable actually (if true), it is basically proving to the world that this plane was still up in the air and flying at 8:11am on March 8th.....quite amazing for sure for them to say this....

[superconsciousness]

Nope...doesn't pass the sniff test:

http://www.theage.com.au/national/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-police-deny-investigation-into-phone-call-from-mh370-cockpit-by-senior-pilot-zaharie-ahmad-shah-20140323-35buv.html

http://orientpost.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/mh370-round-up-usual-suspects.html

http://www.rense.com/general96/isthiswhy.html

http://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/mh370-the-proof-that-intelligence-agencies-are-playing-a-game/

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/725161

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/not-a-shred-of-evidence-of-mh-370-crashing-anywhere-not-a-shred-of-airplane-wreckage-calculations-provided-to-us-is-an-insult-to-intelligence-of-7-billion-inhabitants-of-this-planet/

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/25/flight-mh370-found-not-quite-now-the-real-whitewash-begins/

http://intellihub.com/mh370-family-members-seeing-proof-crash/

The cover story is officially b.s...another 9/11 in the making, apparently.

[Atlas]

This information is quite remarkable actually (if true), it is basically proving to the world that this plane was still up in the air and flying at 8:11am on March 8th.....quite amazing for sure for them to say this....

‘Final ping’ from flight MH370 being probed, says Malaysia (http://www.firstpost.com/world/live-final-ping-from-flight-mh370-being-investigated-says-malaysia-1424627.html)

The final electronic signal is still being investigated, Malaysian acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said on Tuesday.

"There is evidence of a partial handshake between the aircraft and ground station at 0019 UTC (GMT)," Hishammuddin told a news conference. "At this time, this transmission is not understood and is subject to further ongoing work."

[Tesseract]

I remember back in the 90s a solo round the world yacht racer was rescued in the southern ocean. It might have been mentioned on this thread, I haven't been keeping track the last few pages.. Anyway, he was rescued in only 4 days (it seemed like an eternity at the time) thanks to his EPIRB device. I don't know exactly what type was used but:


The location of a Fast Find 210 GPS PLB can be determined to a typical positional accuracy of about +/- 62 metres (0.03 miles) within a few minutes of PLB activation and a non-GPS Fast Find 200 PLB within about +/- 5km (3 miles) and typically within 45 minutes." Source (http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?300181-Epirb-detection-time)


25360


Reading between the lines it seems like the plane was meant to have something like this that activated on contact with sea water and floated to the surface, but it didn't work somehow in the case of MH370. It's possible they were just talking about the black box..?

I plotted Bullimore's rescue location with the spot where a piece of debris was sighted (I am amazed that after several days they have not fished anything out of the water despite a virtual cornucopia of sightings from the air).

[Bill Ryan]

Nope...doesn't pass the sniff test:

http://www.theage.com.au/national/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-police-deny-investigation-into-phone-call-from-mh370-cockpit-by-senior-pilot-zaharie-ahmad-shah-20140323-35buv.html

http://orientpost.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/mh370-round-up-usual-suspects.html

http://www.rense.com/general96/isthiswhy.html

http://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/mh370-the-proof-that-intelligence-agencies-are-playing-a-game/

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/725161

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/not-a-shred-of-evidence-of-mh-370-crashing-anywhere-not-a-shred-of-airplane-wreckage-calculations-provided-to-us-is-an-insult-to-intelligence-of-7-billion-inhabitants-of-this-planet/

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/25/flight-mh370-found-not-quite-now-the-real-whitewash-begins/

http://intellihub.com/mh370-family-members-seeing-proof-crash/

The cover story is officially b.s...another 9/11 in the making, apparently.


Thanks! I visited and read all of the above with interest.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/25/flight-mh370-found-not-quite-now-the-real-whitewash-begins

in my opinion, is well worth reading... and this

http://rense.com/general96/isthiswhy.html

might even be what actually happened. It has to be a credible theory -- one of quite a number, of course. Recommended (by me :) ).

[ThePythonicCow]

... and this

http://rense.com/general96/isthiswhy.html

might even be what actually happened. It has to be a credible theory -- one of quite a number, of course. Recommended (by me :) ).
The complete and original for this Rense article, with working links and embedded video, is at “Alright, Goodnight” – Does Malaysia Want To Know What Happened To Flight MH-370? (SOFREP.COM) (http://sofrep.com/34084/alright-goodnight-malaysia-want-know-happened-flight-mh-370/). From their about page (http://sofrep.com/about-sofrep-com/), SOFREP.COM (Special Operations Forces Report-Special Ops News & Intel) is the number one site for authentic, accurate, and timely information related to the U.S. & Coalition Special Operations Community.

Good read, and interesting analysis.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Does anyone know if control of a Boeing 777 can be taken away from the flight crew and be flown from a remote location?
If yes, please provide links to information sources.

If the pilot planned this event to be a political bargaining tool for manipulation of the Malaysian government, would he keep his demands a secret by maintaining radio silence? I don't think so.

If the pilot (or whoever was flying the aircraft) wanted to kill the passengers, would he/she not fly the aircraft to a very high altitude, turn off oxygen to the passengers who would simply get peacefully sleepy and fade away?

If the aircraft landed safely with many deceased passengers, could that explain why the passengers phones were ringing, yet unanswered, long after the aircraft supposedly crashed?

Is it possible that the powers-that-be know the location of this aircraft? Very likely.

[Tesseract]

Looks like that magical black box detector will take another 10 days to arrive - possibly too late...


The United States said it was sending an undersea Navy drone to Australia, in addition to a high-tech black box detector, to help in the search.

But the black box detector would not arrive in the search area until April 5, Hishammuddin said, leaving only a few days to pick up locator beacons from the box that stop about a month after a crash due to limited battery life.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140326?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

[Rocky_Shorz]

Always important to answer the question, "Who gains?"

no wonder London likes Diego GarCIA, look at all the Banks around there...

http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/ChagosMap-v3-940.gif

[naste.de.lumina]

Does anyone know if control of a Boeing 777 can be taken away from the flight crew and be flown from a remote location?
If yes, please provide links to information sources.

If the pilot planned this event to be a political bargaining tool for manipulation of the Malaysian government, would he keep his demands a secret by maintaining radio silence? I don't think so.

If the pilot (or whoever was flying the aircraft) wanted to kill the passengers, would he/she not fly the aircraft to a very high altitude, turn off oxygen to the passengers who would simply get peacefully sleepy and fade away?

If the aircraft landed safely with many deceased passengers, could that explain why the passengers phones were ringing, yet unanswered, long after the aircraft supposedly crashed?

Is it possible that the powers-that-be know the location of this aircraft? Very likely.

How to Steal an Airplane: From 9/11 to MH370 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=811379&viewfull=1#post811379)

[Bill Ryan]

Does anyone know if control of a Boeing 777 can be taken away from the flight crew and be flown from a remote location?
If yes, please provide links to information sources.

If the pilot planned this event to be a political bargaining tool for manipulation of the Malaysian government, would he keep his demands a secret by maintaining radio silence? I don't think so.

If the pilot (or whoever was flying the aircraft) wanted to kill the passengers, would he/she not fly the aircraft to a very high altitude, turn off oxygen to the passengers who would simply get peacefully sleepy and fade away?

If the aircraft landed safely with many deceased passengers, could that explain why the passengers phones were ringing, yet unanswered, long after the aircraft supposedly crashed?

Is it possible that the powers-that-be know the location of this aircraft? Very likely.

How to Steal an Airplane: From 9/11 to MH370 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=811379&viewfull=1#post811379)


Excellent video. Here it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nt4Z1tUHgE

[JRS]

More remote control airplane info here by Gordon Duff: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/25/355959/the-cia-hoax-flight-370-revealed/

Interesting!!

[gripreaper]

I don't know how much longer this story can hang on.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8111817216/hFAA1C8DA/

[JRS]

IMHO this story may just be getting started!

[superconsciousness]

http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2014/03/25/finding-mh370-black-box-wreckage-could-take-years-says-usa-today/

http://rt.com/news/missing-plane-black-boxes-153/

https://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/mh370-metro-give-them-their-due-theyre-raising-their-eyebrows/

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/25/mh370-last-incomplete-ping-from-jet-not-understood/

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_24/China-demands-Malaysian-satellite-data-on-missing-airliner-7569/

Falls under the category of "pull my thumb..."

TOTAL COVERUP...BUT WHY?

Control.

CONTROL OVER WHAT?

Well, articles bashing the official story are pro-Russia/China, so ultimately, it's about control over whatever the East and West are fighting for today: MONEY AND RESOURCES.

That's it..."they" (whoever that is...does it really matter at this point?) stole the plane as a bargaining chip over money and resources. There are no innocent or guilty sides. There are simply two sides to the same coin here, and you find humanity on both sides. Don't blame ETs for this crap...that's part of the cop out.

Wow...humanity REALLY needs to grow up. Growing up requires honesty and truthfulness in one's own life...don't worry about everyone/everything else. Practice honesty and truthfulness in order to see things as they are, which in turn will allow one to develop the ability to know what to do and what not to do in life.

25366

Are we just looking for the "bad guy"?...let's make the changes within ourselves that we want to see the world make, and let the world worry about itself.

[Cidersomerset]

http://21stcenturywire.com/wp-content/themes/magazine/images/21-LOGO-230x115.png

Flight MH370 Found? Not Quite – Now the Real Whitewash Begins.

new Wednesday 26th March 2014 at 07:05 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Malaysia_Airlines-e1395257540567.jpg


‘After nearly one month of turning up absolutely nothing, suddenly the public are
being told that the case of missing Malaysian airliner MH370 has been solved, well,
sort of…

It was a search and rescue operation on an unprecedented scale, combing through
over 30,000 nautical miles, involving 60 ships and 50 aircraft – all in an effort to
find one missing Boeing 777 which is said to have set off from Kula Lumpur to
Beijing on March 8, 2014, only to disappear into thin air, without a trace.

This week Malaysian authorities made the dramatic announcement that they had
finally “found” the aircraft, without any “debris sighting” . On cue, global
mainstream media outlets ran continuous coverage on Monday March 24th of this
week, showing footage of men looking out the window of Royal Australian Air Force
P-3, looking rather intensely at a trail of smoke hanging over the water, but failed
to tell viewers in many instances – that this was merely a “smoke marker placed
there”, no doubt for the cameras.’

Read more: Flight MH370 Found? Not Quite – Now the Real Whitewash Begins.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/25/flight-mh370-found-not-quite-now-the-real-whitewash-begins/


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This,we are told, is meant to draw a line under the story in a communal ‘move on’ moment.

The Malaysian prime minister boldly announced that analysis of satellite data
concludes “beyond a doubt” that the plane had in fact gone down in the southern
Indian Ocean 2,500 kilometers (1,500) west of Perth, Australia.

A few object were said to be found, but these were not shown on TV or to
media. “Objects could be picked up in a few hours”, Malaysia’s transport minister
said, while Australian PM Tony Abbott said, “One object was circular and grey or
green, and the other rectangular and orange – but it could be flotsham“. In reality, nothing.

What is clear now – is that there is still no evidence of a Being 777 crash-landing there.

Here where things get dicey: this suddenly incredible “debris sighting” has been
based on information from one private British telecoms firm, Inmarsat, who run a
fleet of 30 satellites globally overlapping with systems run by US-based Raytheon.
Inmarsat claim to have come to their conclusion based on data “relayed between
the plane and ground station by satellite”. Inmarsat then sent its computer findings
on Friday to the UK Air Accident Investigation Branch based in Aldershot,
Hampshire, who spent one day “going over the figures” before sending it to the
Malaysian authorities.

Of all the likely destinations for the missing flight, it seems incredible that would fly
for 3 or more hours south, only to ditch the plane in the water miles from any land
mass. This latest conclusion is based almost solely on computer modeled data –
supplied Inmarsat, and as yet, no physical proof that Flight HH370 has actually
crashed at the location they are claiming it did.

By contrast, an actual eyewitness sighting was reported the morning of the crash,
but was more or less ignored by all governments and mainstream media outlets.
Haveeru local news previously confirmed that, “Residents of the remote Maldives
island of Kuda Huvadhoo in Dhaal Atoll have reported seeing a “low flying jumbo
jet” on the morning of the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.”
That report continues:

“Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling
North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also
noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.

“I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes,
but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the
plane clearly,” said an eyewitness.

“It’s not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact
same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the
tremendous noise too.”

Coincidentally, The Maldives Islands are more or less along a direct flight path to
the US and British island military base at Diego Garcia. Make of that what you will,
but you cannot discount this in connection to reports that one of the MH370 pilots
has Diego Garcia plotted on his own home flight simulator.

Confusion was stirred up even more after retired United States Air Force Lieutenant
General, Thomas G. McInerney, turned up on a FOX News program hosted by Mike
Huckaby, proceeding to infer that the US has known all along where the plane had
traveled, and that the missing Boeing 777 was already in Central Asia. Watch:

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Although McInerney went on to reinforce the White House myth that Osama bin
Laden was killed in 2011 at his compound in Pakistan, you can’t help but wonder
why he was sent onto FOX at the very time that this latest “discovery” has
happened. Bill Stills concluded his commentary by warning the this plane may likely
end up being be used for some US-sponsored flase flag, or terrorist act in the future.

Mainstream media is now being flooded with reports of “grieving families” which the
public have only now been given access to, and western media talking points are
focusing on victims’ families blaming the Malaysian government for its
incompetence in conducting the search and that somehow ‘blood is now on the
Malaysian governments’ hands’.

21WIRE detailed some suspicions regarding the passenger lists and talk of key
Freescale (Austin, TX based) employees being on the plane, as well as the technical
parameters regarding the planes transponder systems and radar detection. In the
end, for the government anyway, the whole story has relied exclusively on
technical and computer satellite specs in order to illustrate a timeline and possible
locations for the missing flight.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/19/article-2584399-1C69423300000578-985_634x487.jpg


MEDIA DRAMA: The grieving families and the all important ‘blame game’.

The blame game that has ensued following Malaysia’s ‘endorsement’ of the British
location data (which is still a guess) and Malaysia is now accusing Inmarsat
of ‘sitting on the information for 10 days’, which means that a convenient media
side-show has now opened up to distract from actually finding the plane. Telegraph
said it today:

“The AAIB, working with Inmarsat, provided the only credible information on the
Malaysia Airlines flight’s whereabouts, but a series of delays meant ten crucial days
were lost before search teams began looking in the southern Indian Ocean, where it
now seems certain the aircraft went down.”

Regardless of what is being said and what theories are being kicked around, one
can conclude, once again, that the official story of Malaysian Flight MH370 is a
complete whitewash already.

Isn’t it funny how the biggest plane hunt in human history – over in Asia, is swiftly
closed down by a single British company and a British government aviation agency?

Who is Inmarsat?

Inmarsat Plc is a major player in government, military, aviation satellite markets,
partners with the likes of Honeywell, and refers to itself as “the world’s leading
provider of mobile satcoms” with its IsatPhone range, and covers a wide range of
global contracts, most notably its satellite communications for “coalition military
forces” deployed on missions in Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations, and has also
been awarded a FEMA contract to continue providing Mobile Satellite Services
(MSS) in the US. Reuters explains, “Under this contract, FEMA will use Inmarsat
satellite services to provide reliable, mission-critical communications between
supporting personnel in the event of a disaster. In emergency situations, it is
essential that first responders are able to communicate immediately not only
among themselves, but also with their leadership through respective command and
operational centers.”

According to a 2011 interview with London’s City AM: “Inmarsat offers mobile
connectivity solutions for anything from a single yacht travelling the Pacific to the
thousands of US troops stationed in Afghanistan. It is a FTSE 100 powerhouse, but
one which rarely makes headlines… This is despite it providing a huge proportion of
the connectivity during the recent clashes in the Middle East, allowing journalists,
protesters and aid workers to spread news about the fall of generation-old
governments and the brutal clashes in Libya.”

In March 2012, Al-Jazeera Beirut correspondent Ali Hashim along with two others,
resigned over objections over Qatar’s pro-US and UK foreign policy slanted
reporting on the conflict, and revealed that Al-Jazeera spent $50,000 for smuggling
phones and satellite communication tools to Syria’s rebels. Did Inmarsat provide
the sat phones al Jazeera gave to Syrian ‘Rebels’, aiding foreign insurgents in Syria
in coordinating terrorist attacks inside that country? Good question. Only a few
firms would be positioned to deliver that service, and Inmarsat, according to their
own admission anyway, would be at the top of the list.

In Sept 2013, Inmarsat announced further inroads into the aviation industry,
providing “GSM and Internet services to airlines and their passengers”. Reuters
reported, “Thales SA announced that it has signed a Memorandum of Agreement
(MOA) that would include the Company as a partner in marketing Inmarsat PLC’s
connectivity solutions to the commercial aviation market. Under the MOA,
SwiftBroadband and GX Aviation are the primary and preferred satellite services for
Thales SA’s TopSeries IFEC system…. Financial terms were not disclosed.”

In June 2013, Inmarsat bid alongside the Carlyle Group LP and the Blackstone
Group LP for control over Singapore Telecommunications Ltd’s Australian satellite
unit. Reuters reported, “SingTel, Southeast Asia’s telecom operator, values the
satellite business of its Australian unit Optus at more than AUD2 billion ($1.9
billion), and has put it on sale as it battles tepid growth in its key markets of
Singapore and Australia. Inmarsat PLC, Blackstone Group LP and Carlyle Group LP
are among the other suitors to submit bids ahead of the deadline. Blackstone,
Carlyle, KKR, Intelsat, SES and SingTel declined comment.”

It also has business agreements with Malaysian shipping conglomerate MISC
Berhad (MISC), signing its first big deal covering 46 of its vessels, “comprised of
chemical and LNG tankers, for Inmarsat’s XpressLink service”.

Officially, Boeing 777 Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 is still missing…

More to come on this story – so stay tuned to 21WIRE

READ MORE WAR ON TERROR NEWS AT: 21st Century Wire War on Terror Files

http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/25/flight-mh370-found-not-quite-now-the-real-whitewash-begins/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[araucaria]

By contrast, an actual eyewitness sighting was reported the morning of the crash,
but was more or less ignored by all governments and mainstream media outlets.
Haveeru local news previously confirmed that, “Residents of the remote Maldives
island of Kuda Huvadhoo in Dhaal Atoll have reported seeing a “low flying jumbo
jet” on the morning of the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.”
That report continues:

“Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling
North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also
noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.

“I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes,
but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the
plane clearly,” said an eyewitness.

“It’s not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact
same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the
tremendous noise too.”

The very least that should have been done -- it's probably far too late now -- was to have shown these people a selection of unmarked planes for them to choose between: a kind of identity parade. But positive identification of even an aircraft type was maybe not on the agenda.

[Sérénité]

If some of the passengers phones were ringing out, it would be normal procedure in every day police probes to track the phones.

Considering even iPhone have their very own trackers for personal use (myself and my family use it daily, I even located my mother whilst she was flying over the English Channel recently) why have they not even attempted to 'ping' the passengers phones?!

They didn't think this one through well enough, so i'm surmising it was a last minute intention.

Someone was desperate...

[Buck]

Does anyone know if control of a Boeing 777 can be taken away from the flight crew and be flown from a remote location?
If yes, please provide links to information sources.

If the pilot planned this event to be a political bargaining tool for manipulation of the Malaysian government, would he keep his demands a secret by maintaining radio silence? I don't think so.

If the pilot (or whoever was flying the aircraft) wanted to kill the passengers, would he/she not fly the aircraft to a very high altitude, turn off oxygen to the passengers who would simply get peacefully sleepy and fade away?

If the aircraft landed safely with many deceased passengers, could that explain why the passengers phones were ringing, yet unanswered, long after the aircraft supposedly crashed?

Is it possible that the powers-that-be know the location of this aircraft? Very likely.

How to Steal an Airplane: From 9/11 to MH370 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch-And-Beyond&p=811379&viewfull=1#post811379)


Excellent video. Here it is:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nt4Z1tUHgE


if I knew how to cross link more elegantly - I would - this is a post I made on 3-14 to Tesla's thread re Darpa red balloons etc
perhaps one of the mods will take pity of this massive post and condense to a link :) ?

hope this helps-


or
We are all becoming increasingly fascinated, lulled into a meme stupor, watching in real time as the hidden hand weave their masterful tapestry of fear. This could be the first few steps of a dance that has us all witness the set piece for a very dramatic "terrorist" attack, one so vivid, so horrific, that we are all thrown back into a state of psychic paralysis, terrified again, of the boogeyman and begging our masters to make it all go away and keep us safe at any cost.

Is it a coincidence that this particular Boeing aircraft has a security vulnerability baked into it's design infrastructure that was enough of a concern that Boeing had to petition the FAA to even allow the 777 series to be used to fly passengers? Is it any coincidence that we hear all about the other design flaws of the 777, but nothing much about the design flaw that almost kept the 777 series from ever getting off the ground in the first place. And would any of us be surprised to learn that the inherent problem is the aircraft is designed in such a way that there is a total lack of (manual) control over-ride for the pilots in the event of a software malfunction (such as electronic attack), combined with computer processors that have been proven to be exploitable, and the third strike - two independent but connected electronic networks on board the plane- one for aircraft command and control (engine, ailerons, rudder, flaps, fuel pumps, landing gear, radios, landing lights, etc, and the other system?- the on board passenger services system- entertainment system, food services, galley, internal lighting, seat consoles, wifi network, AND outbound and inbound communications with entertainment source providers, and all the content the passengers access via network etc. The design of these two networks was flagged by the FAA during the design phase for commercial certification- as a clear security and safety risk. The FAA also noted the security risk was exponentially compounded by the ironic presence of a very sophisticated command and control function in the primary network to allow the aircraft to be flown by remote access (this is considered a safety feature to allow control of the aircraft in case of pilots becoming incapacitated, etc). But despite their own objections, the FAA ultimately certified the 777 without any modifications, but added an addendum to the airworthiness certificate, stating all the potential dangers as a disclosure to future purchasers of the aircraft.

It does make one wonder, just how did a commercial airliner get designed like this and not ONE engineer, software designer, systems engineer- not ONE, in the YEARS it takes to design and vet these systems- how is that not ONE person thought to suggest that maybe it was not a good idea to open the command and control systems of the aircraft to communication with the in flight entertainment and wifi system the passengers use. Even those of us who are not versed in computer protocols would likely find this a curious, even some would say - highly suspect circumstance.

Stating the obvious here to the av crew but vulnerabilities of this particular aircraft- couple with the circumstances of this event (as we know them so far- ) we are possibly looking at the evidence of a very sophisticated (as in state coordinated state sponsored) cyber hijacking. If the ptb wanted something to divert our attention from the worldwide banking crisis, the security state disclosures, the mounting furor over the CIA spying on congress, the wholesale plundering of our planetary resources, what better way to do it than with a vivid, extremely dramatic and awful "attack" where a "terrorrist" group hack into onboard command and control of an airliner and make it vanish in front of the entire world. We are all drawn into the hunt, (as the OP has laid out so clearly here). Riveted to our news feeds, twitter chirps and media outlets, we wait for the latest on the crisis to be announced. Imagine the hit on our global psyche, with so much attention and emotion connected with this event- if suddenly this airliner were to re-appear in flight- heading towards some incomprehensibly horrific fate, and all us watch, feeling utterly transfixed, and at the same time overwhelmed, helpless, as it is filmed (in high definition, and from various angles and distances of course) - documented by all the "trusted' major news outlets in the world, and perhaps even in a location that is iconic, instantly recognizable and the last place one would think would be attacked in such an awful way.

It is not my intention to foment or amplify fear driven events, but rather I intend this as information for us to consider using to triangulate an access point for our crew here (whomever might be willing and able to dial in on (hack into :) the potential event timeline I have suggested, have a look around, and if it feels appropriate, consider the option to place higher vibrational based timelines along the spine of the beast- or however 'right action' might present itself to you in the moment.

We have done it so many times, it is entirely within our capacities, of course :)











Mod edit by Bill:

Done.:)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=809295#post809295

(The way to copy a link is to right-click on the "Link to Post #--" at the top right of any post. That lets you copy the exact link location of the post.)

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[Violet]

There's many questions but the seas in which the plane supposedly fell are not of the easiest. Setting up an ultraspeed search for the plane there both endangers other people's lives and must be a very costly project. Personally, I think that this has played a very delaying role too and the governments are probably just making all these statements because they are being put under such tremendous emotional stress from the families, which of course is totally understandable.

No one wants to hear that sorry, I don't know where your mother, daughter, father is, we think in some of the nearby oceans. Let's see.

The biggest technical problem that we are aware of is that we can't believe that radars and other military devices in the area can possibly lose such a big object. This is where the many and ample scenarios stem from.

[avid]

http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/03/flight-mh370-mystery-diego-garcia-suspended-all-flights-on-march-8th-for-72-hrs-2458394.html






Flight MH370 Mystery. Diego Garcia Suspended All Flights On March 8th for 72 hrs.

By now, it should be obvious to people they are hiding something in Diego Garcia. The latest info just piles on top of a mountain of evidence that flight 370 is in a hangar in Diego Garcia.

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5973/images/DG%20flights.JPG

https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=%23MH370%20diego%20garcia
Notice the date of the facebook post. March 8th. Now go to the facebook page.

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5973/images/DG%20flights%20II.JPG

https://www.facebook.com/NSFDG

Notice they have completely erased all posts between March 6th, and March 9th. There is some very weird stuff going on down in creepy Diego Garcia, a place where the US operates completely independant of the constitution.

Edit to add, here is a link to the Diego Garcia Passenger facebook page with the March 8th flight schedule. Notice all other flight schedules throughout the month all had several flights schedules. The fact that no flight were scheduled for 3 days during the time MH370 went missing, all maintenance crew most likely were off on leave. Great time to sneak in an aircraft.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Diego-Garcia-Passenger-Terminal/242934902443795

[SilentFeathers]

Even though I don't always agree with him a 100% of the time, I sure do anticipate hearing what Farrell has to say about certain matters....

THE REMOTE CONTROL-OF-AIRCRAFT-WITHOUT-PILOT-CONSENT CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG… (http://gizadeathstar.com/2014/03/remote-control-aircraft-without-pilot-consent-cat-bag/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GizaDeathStar+%28Giza+Death+Star%29&utm_content=FaceBook)


What’s new in this patent, and its relevancy both to the 9/11 storyline and the developing storyline to the Flight 370 affair is simply the statement that a system has been developed to override cockpit decisions remotely.
Joseph Farrell


Boeing wins patent on uninterruptible autopilot system
Published 4 December 2006

New technology can be activated by the pilots, government agencies, even on-board sensors; not even a tortured pilot can give up control; dedicated electrical circuits ensure the system’s total independence

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/boeing-wins-patent-uninterruptible-autopilot-system

[Cidersomerset]

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March 2014 Last updated at 12:35

Flight MH370: 122 new objects spotted - Malaysia minister


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The images, given to the Malaysian Remote Sensing Agency by Airbus, show
several light-coloured objects The images, given to the Malaysian Remote Sensing
Agency by Airbus, show several light-coloured objects


A further 122 objects potentially from the missing Malaysian plane have been
identified by satellite, the country's acting transport minister has said.

The images, taken on 23 March, showed objects up to 23m (75ft) in length,
Hishammuddin Hussein said.

All aircraft taking part in Wednesday's search have now left the area without
identifying debris from the plane.

Flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing disappeared on 8 March with 239
people on board.


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Jon Donnison reports from Fremantle Port in Perth, where much of the search
operation is based

The objects were found in satellite images from a 400 sq km area around 2,557km
(1588 miles) from Perth in Western Australia, Mr Hishammuddin said.




He said that it was not possible to tell whether the potential objects were from the
missing aircraft, but called them "another new lead that will help direct the search operation".

The images were supplied by French-based Airbus Defence and Space and were
given to the Malaysian Remote Sensing Agency on 25 March, Mr Hishammuddin said.

The images were passed on to the Australian Rescue and Co-ordination Centre in
Perth on Tuesday, he added.

The latest images are the fourth known collection of satellite pictures showing
possible debris in the southern Indian Ocean. No pieces have yet been recovered in
the search area, which has now been split into an east and west section.

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Map showing the location of debris spotted on satellite images between 16 and 24
March The transport minister said Malaysia Airlines was "now taking a lead in
communicating with the families" and would be conducting its own press
conferences.

Aircraft leave area

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority (Amsa), co-ordinating the search, said
that all aircraft involved had left the area without finding objects from the plane.

It said seven military and five civilian planes had taken part and a total of six
countries were now involved - Australia, New Zealand, the US, Japan, China and
the South Korea.

The commander of the Chinese search operation, Dong Yan, said his ships were still
looking for an object spotted by a plane earlier on Wednesday.

"The focus is on searching for floating objects, oil slicks, floating parts of the
external layer of the plane and people that may have fallen into the water," he told
Chinese television.

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Hishammuddin Hussein: "This is another new lead that will help direct the search operation"

Australian authorities said on Wednesday that three more objects had earlier been
spotted by a civilian aircraft involved in the search.

However, it could not be confirmed whether they were related to the missing aircraft.

The search for debris from the missing plane is taking place in one of the world's
remotest regions.

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The area is known as "the Roaring Forties" due to its notoriously strong winds

If debris confirmed to be from the plane is found, the search area will narrow
further.However, experts say the aircraft's locator beacons, which will help guide
ships to the wreckage, now have less than two weeks of battery life remaining.
Specialised equipment which can help locate the beacon is being flown to the
search area.

vid on link....below

Daniel Tan says he will "not give up hope" that his brother is alive until a wreckage is found

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26748146

[Cidersomerset]

interesting article....

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25 March 2014 Last updated at 09:56

Malaysia plane: Why black boxes can't always provide the answers
By Tom de Castella

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The mystery of flight MH370 is unlikely to be solved until the flight recorder -
known as a black box - is found. There are actually two boxes - a cockpit voice
recorder and a data recorder. But these devices have their limitations.

The voice recorder only captures the final two hours

Listening to the last moments of Air France flight 447, which crashed into the
Atlantic in 2009, gives a chilling insight into the confusion that had overcome the
pilots. Such a record of what went on in the cockpit would be a priceless tool for
investigators trying to work out whether the Malaysia Airlines plane was the victim
of foul play or a mechanical fault. But it's not that simple even if the black box is
found. The cockpit voice recorder continually records over itself as the flight goes
on. US firm Honeywell Aerospace says the black box on the missing airliner - which
it provided - only retains two hours of recording. That's the length of time that
regulations demand. The principle is in place because it is normally the last section
of a flight that determines the cause of the crash. But in the case of the Malaysia
Airlines 777 it might well be the case that the key events happened long before the
actual crash. On the other hand, Steve Buzdygan, a former BA 777 pilot, says the
data recorder would provide a wealth of useful information. "You can almost
reconstruct the flight path from it."

Why is a 'black box' orange?

The original flight recorders were painted black but the colour was changed to
orange to make them easier to find by investigators
The flight data recorder records a stream of flight information
The cockpit voice recorder stores conversations and other noises made in the cockpit

The battery life is short

The black box sends out a ping - activated by immersion in water - that can be
picked up by a microphone and a "signal analyser". There's another beacon - the
emergency locator transmitter - which transmits a distress signal on impact. But
these don't work in water. Both the voice recorder and the data recorder each have
their own pinger. But there's a problem - the battery of the pinger on MH370 will
only last for 30 days, says Steve Brecken, media director at Honeywell. Some
pingers last for 90 days. The variation stems from the fact the rules changed after
Air France flight 447. It took nearly two years to find its black box and new
guidelines were issued that the ping should last for 90 days to give search teams
longer to find it. Some planes have since been updated, but apparently not the
MH370. Even after the batteries for the pinger run out, the recorded data remains intact.

Graphic: Black box flight recorders

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73795000/jpg/_73795341_flight_data_recorder_624in.jpg

It is a small object to find

The black box is bolted into the tail of the aircraft to avoid damage in a head-on
crash. It is small - about the size of a shoe box, says Dr Guy Gratton of Brunel
University's Flight Safety Lab. Contrary to the name, it is bright orange. But it's not
easy to see it in the middle of the ocean. The search will aim to try to locate the
wreckage before moving in to pinpoint the black box by picking up the ping. If the
pinger has expired then other techniques - such as magnetic detection - are going
to be necessary.

It doesn't float

The box is made out of aluminium and designed to withstand massive impact,
fierce fire or high pressure. That means it's heavy - about 10kg for what is a small
box - and will sink quickly. The Indian Ocean has very deep sections. The search
area ranges between 1,150m (3,770ft) and 7,000m (23,000ft) deep, media reports
suggest. So investigators will have to consider the prospect of it being out of reach
of many sonar devices. "You have to ask if there's terrain in the way. The seabed
could be as mountainous as the Alps," says David Barry, an expert on flight data monitoring at Cranfield University.

The First 'Black Box' From Downed Alaska Airlines Flight #261 - 2000

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The pinger's range is only a few miles

Honeywell, who made MH370's pinger, say the signal can typically only be picked
up a mile away. David Mearns, director of Blue Water Recoveries, says this means
aircraft really needs to be almost directly on top of the black boxes to hear the
ping. There are also factors that may diminish the signal. Wreckage on the surface,
or if the black boxes are submerged in mud or sediment on the seabed, he adds.
But if the pinger is deep on the ocean floor navies have hydrophone technology that
has a better chance of locating it than conventional detectors. The Air France black
box was not found until after its ping had expired. It was eventually located by slow
moving unmanned underwater vehicles. A modern submarine - such as one of the
Royal Navy's hunter-killer models - could potentially at least hear a ping from many
miles away, Gratton says. The US, China and Australia all have similar submarines,
he says. "By now there will be a submarine down there. I'm certain the Chinese will
have put something out there." The US has deployed a ship that will tow a special
black box locator through the water. According to the Associated Press, "the Towed
Pinger Locator, which is pulled behind a vessel at slow speeds, has highly sensitive
listening capability so that if the wreck site is located, it can hear the black box
pinger down to a depth of about 20,000ft (6,100m)". However, there is a further
complication, says Barry. The black box may be giving off pings from the ocean
floor. But if those pings hit a layer of warmer or colder water above, the signal
might be refracted or reflected.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73796000/jpg/_73796795_tpl_624.jpg


Black box finder graphic

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26721975

[Hervé]

Does anyone know if control of a Boeing 777 can be taken away from the flight crew and be flown from a remote location?
If yes, please provide links to information sources.

[...]

All built-in:



Maybe this will give up some clues to electronics and flying specialists:

Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access

A Rule by the Federal Aviation Administration (https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies/federal-aviation-administration) on 11/18/2013 (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18)

PDF (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-11-18/pdf/2013-27343.pdf) DEV (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#dev) Print (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#print_view) Public Inspection (https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2013-27343.pdf)
Publication Date: Monday, November 18, 2013 (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18)
Agencies:Department of Transportation (https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies/transportation-department)Federal Aviation Administration (https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies/federal-aviation-administration)

Action
Final Special Conditions.

Summary
These special conditions are issued for the Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER series airplanes. These airplanes, as modified by the Boeing Company, will have novel or unusual design features associated with the architecture and connectivity of the passenger service computer network systems to the airplane critical systems and data networks. This onboard network system will be composed of a network file server, a network extension device, and additional interfaces configured by customer option. The applicable airworthiness regulations do not contain adequate or appropriate safety standards for this design feature. These special conditions contain the additional safety standards that the Administrator considers necessary to establish a level of safety equivalent to that established by the existing airworthiness standards.


Table of Contents Back to Top (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#table_of_contents)




DATES: (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-4)
FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-5)
SUPPLEMENTARY INFORMATION: (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-6)
Background (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-7)
Type Certification Basis (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-8)
Novel or Unusual Design Features (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-9)
Discussion (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-10)
Applicability (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-11)
Conclusion (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-12)
List of Subjects in 14 CFR Part 25 (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-13)
The Special Conditions (https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system#h-15)



[...]

Full article: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system


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I was thinking, Amzer Zo, may be you can create a separate thread out of your post # 721. It is quite informative!, and it will be a bit lost floating in this sea of information of a missing airplane.
... just a though, nothing more.
Nah... from what I understood of the "improvement" that's relevant is that such modified planes could be turned into drones by the military, no-one else.

Which brings me to the FauxNews-"officialized" official story:

[...]

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So, I guess that Diego Garcia at the opposite direction to Pakistan is the best fit to look for that phantom plane...

[Cidersomerset]

I thought I'd just as well add this one as there are some basic Q & A amongst them even if they are mainstream....


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26 March 2014 Last updated at 10:37

Malaysia plane: 10 questions that are still unresolved

By Vanessa Barford
BBC News Magazine

Children write messages on a wall at Kuala Lumpur Airport

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As the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 continues in the southern
Indian Ocean, some key questions remain unanswered.

Here are 10 questions about what happened to the Boeing 777 that disappeared
after leaving Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing on 8 March, with 239 people on board.

1. Why did the plane make a sharp left turn?

Military radar logs show flight MH370 turned unexpectedly west when it diverted
from its planned flight path, by which time the plane's transponder had already
been switched off, and its last ACARS datalink transmission sent.

Sudden turns like this are "extremely rare", according to Dr Guy Gratton of Brunel
University's Flight Safety Lab. He says the only real reason pilots are likely to make
such a manoeuvre is if there's a serious problem on the plane which makes them
decide to divert to a different destination, to get the aircraft on the ground.

That could be a fire, other aircraft in the area, or sudden decompression, according
to David Barry, an expert on flight data monitoring at Cranfield University.

Malicious intent - by a pilot or intruder - is another possibility.

But unless the "black box" flight recorders are found, whatever happened in the
cockpit at that moment will remain in the realms of speculation.

2. Is it reasonable to speculate that a pilot could have intended to kill himself?

There has been much speculation in the media that suicide might have been behind
the loss of the plane.

It wouldn't be the first time it's happened. The crashes of Egypt Air flight 990 in
1999 and Silk Air flight 185 in 1997 are both thought to have been caused
deliberately by a pilot, though the view has been contested. The Aviation Safety
Network says there have been eight plane crashes linked to pilot suicide since 1976.

So far, no evidence has been released from searches of the homes of Captain
Zaharie Ahmad Shah and his co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid that back up any similar
explanation for MH370. There has been speculation that Shah may have been upset
after breaking up with his wife, but there is so far no reliable source for his state of
mind. It's been reported police are still examining a flight simulator found in the
captain's home.

Barry says the apparent turning off of certain systems might give weight to the
theory, but "pilot suicide is a theory like any other". Gratton agrees. "There simply
isn't any evidence to prove or disprove it," he says.

3. Is a hijack scenario even possible?

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Chief pilot of JetBlue Airways Lanny McAndrew, stands behind one of the new bullet-
force-resistant cockpit doors that have been installed on all JetBlue planes after the
September 11 attacks, October 17, 2001

Airliners have been fitted with strengthened flight deck doors - intended to prevent
intruders from taking control - since 9/11. David Learmount, safety editor at Flight
International magazine, says they are "bulletproof" and "couldn't be penetrated
with an axe".

Sylvia Wrigley, light aircraft pilot and author of Why Planes Crash, agrees it's
unlikely anyone would be able to force their way in. "Even if the door was being
broken down, they wouldn't be able to get in before there'd been a mayday call,
unless the pilots were incapacitated," she says.

However, one former pilot, who did not wish to be named, has suggested there is
theoretically a way to disable the lock and get into the flight deck.

But in any case, however secure the door, there are times when the door is open -
when a member of the crew either visits the toilet or has to check on something in
the cabin. It's always been pointed out that it would be possible to rush the cockpit
when this is the case. Some airlines, including Israel's El Al, have double doors to
guard against this scenario. Gratton says there's a procedure which requires a
member of the cabin crew to guard the door when it's opened.

But even in the event of hijackers rushing the cockpit, it would be easy for either
crew member to send a distress signal.

The security of the cockpit door offers protection against intruders, but it also
prevents action being taken if something does go wrong. Last month the co-pilot of
an Ethiopian Airlines flight waited for the pilot to go to the toilet before hijacking
the aircraft and flying it to Switzerland.

There's also the possibility that a pilot invited a passenger in. Photographs have
emerged of the co-pilot of MH370 entertaining teenage tourists in an aircraft
cockpit during a previous flight.

Boeing said it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation.

4. Is there an accidental scenario that stands up to scrutiny?

So far most theories have been based on the assumption that the communications
systems and the plane's transponder were deliberately disabled, a view endorsed
by Malaysian officials.

However, Wrigley believes it's possible a sequence of events may have taken the
plane so far off course by accident. "Something could have gone wrong in stages. A
fire could have taken out part of the plane, or led to some systems failing, but left
the plane intact. Then there could have been decompression - not an explosive
decompression, but a gradual one," she says.

Wrigley cites the Helios Airways flight 522 which crashed into a mountain in Greece
in 2005 after a loss of cabin pressure and lack of oxygen incapacitated the crew,
but left the plane flying on autopilot, as an example. "If the Helios plane hadn't hit
the mountain, it would have kept going until it ran out of fuel. I'm not saying it's a
likely scenario, but it's not impossible," she says.

Pilots have pointed out that one of the very first actions in many emergency drills is
to send a message to air traffic control or some other form of signal. For a purely
accidental scenario to make sense, whatever initial event took place must have
simultaneously knocked out all regular means to communicate with the ground.

5. Why was no action taken when the plane's transponder signal went off?

MH370's transponder - which communicates with ground radar - was shut down as
the aircraft crossed from Malaysian air traffic control into Vietnamese airspace over
the South China Sea.

If a plane disappeared in Europe, Barry says someone in air traffic control would
have noticed and raised the alarm pretty quickly. Gratton agrees. "In Europe
handover is extremely slick.

"At the very least I'd expect air traffic controllers to try and contact a nearby
aircraft to try and establish direct contact. Pilots frequently use TCAS [traffic
collision avoidance system], which detects transponders of other aircraft to ensure
they aren't too close to each other," he adds.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73726000/jpg/_73726611_air-traffic-control.jpg


Air traffic control screen Air traffic control

However Steve Buzdygan, a former BA 777 pilot, says that from memory, there's a
gap or "dead spot" of about 10 minutes in the VHF transmission before the plane
would have crossed into Vietnamese airspace.

Learmount says it's also perfectly feasible that nobody on the ground noticed the
plane's disappearance. "Malaysian air traffic control had probably handed it over to
the Vietnamese and forgotten about it. There could have been a five-minute delay
before anyone noticed the plane hadn't arrived - a gap in which nobody pressed the
alarm button," he says.

Even if air traffic control did notice the plane was amiss, they wouldn't necessarily
have made it public, he adds.

6. Why isn't it easier to track missing planes by military satellite?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73707000/jpg/_73707855_satellite-objects.jpg

Objects picked up by satellite being investigated by Australia

The search effort on seas some 2,500km (1,500 miles) to the south-west of the
Australian city of Perth has relied on images provided by commercial satellite
companies.

Dan Schnurr, chief technology officer at Geospatial Insight, says there are 20
known satellites that have a resolution capable of obtaining these images in
the "vast tracts of the ocean passing over the poles". Of those, probably about 10
of them capture images on a daily basis.

The images are beamed down from the satellites in very near real time, and are
probably on the ground within two or three hours of image capture, he says. The
delay in detecting valuable images is down to the time it takes to analyse the large
volume of imagery.

There are also satellite sources owned by the military and government, but these
have not been prominent in the search. This has led to some speculation that the
fate of the plane was known about earlier in the search, but not revealed.

Laurence Gonzales, author of flight 232: A Story of Disaster and Survival, says
some nations are bound to have more sophisticated surveillance systems than they
are letting on. "A very small, fast ballistic missile can be picked up easily, so how
can they lose a big, slow-moving object like a jumbo jet? It tells me somewhere in
the angles of power in the world someone knows where the plane is but doesn't
want to talk about it, probably for reasons of national security because they don't
want to reveal the sophistication of the material they have... that their satellite
technology is so good it can read a label on a golf ball," he says.

But Gratton says military satellites looking for ballistic missiles probably wouldn't
have thrown up much useful data because they wouldn't have been calibrated to pick up aircraft of this size.

"This aircraft was seven miles up and travelled at three-quarters of the speed of
sound. Ballistic missiles go up to four or five times the speed of sound, and 30 to
50 miles up - they have very different profiles," he says.

7. Did the plane glide into the sea or plunge after running out of fuel?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73767000/jpg/_73767597_looking-out-of-plane.jpg

RSAF plane searches for MH370

The MH370's final moments seem to depend on whether the plane was still being
flown by a pilot.

"If it was under control, the plane was capable of being glided. The Airbus that
went into the New York's Hudson River lost both engines - which is an identical
outcome to running out of fuel - and the pilot managed to land on the water,"
Gratton says.

Barry agrees there could have been a gentle descent. "Aircraft of this size will
normally fly or glide over 50 miles before they hit the sea if they run out of fuel,"
he says. However, if no-one was at the controls, he says the descent could have
been "pretty severe".

8. Would the passengers have known something was wrong?

If a major malfunction had not occurred, it is unclear whether passengers would
have known anything was awry, especially if there were no obvious signs of a
struggle onboard. Joe Pappalardo, senior editor at Popular Mechanics magazine,
says in most scenarios where a plane flies off course for hours, passengers can
remain oblivious. At 01:00, many would probably have been asleep. In the
morning, the astute might have worked out the Sun was in the wrong position.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73726000/jpg/_73726610_boeing-plane-generic.jpg

A Boeing 777 - stock picture Boeing 777s can fly higher than 40,000ft
Malaysian authorities have said the plane rose to 45,000ft, before falling to
23,000ft, after it changed course. If that's the case, passengers might have felt the
loss of altitude, according to Pappalardo.

However one theory is that the plane's apparent climb could have been designed to
induce hypoxia - oxygen deprivation - which could have knocked people
unconscious and even killed them.

Wrigley thinks it could have played out in one of two ways. "In the horror story
version passengers would have realised something was wrong as the plane climbed
- and a decompression event would have led to oxygen masks coming down, and
an awareness that oxygen was limited. A better scenario is they didn't know
anything had happened until impact," she says.

9. Why didn't passengers use their mobile phones?

One commonly asked question is why, if it had been obvious something was wrong,
passengers wouldn't have used mobile phones to call relatives and raise the alarm.
This seems especially puzzling in light of the example of United flight 93, where
passengers communicated with people on the ground after the plane was hijacked during 9/11.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73720000/jpg/_73720319_relative.jpg


Relative awaits news of MH370 Waiting for news of MH370 in Beijing
It's been stated that it's extremely unlikely that anyone could get mobile signal on
an airliner at 30,000ft. Barry agrees the chances of a mobile phone working on the
plane were "virtually impossible". "It can be hard to get a signal on a remote road,
let alone seven miles up, away from mobile phone masts, travelling at 500mph," he says.

10. Why can't planes be set up to give full real-time data to a satellite?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73707000/jpg/_73707858_search-cockpit.jpg

military personnel scanning the sea aboard a Vietnamese Air Force aircraft on 8 March
Arguably the most baffling thing to a layperson about the disappearance of MH370
is how it is even possible for a plane of this size to disappear so easily. In an era
when people are used to being able to track a stolen smartphone, it's perplexing
that switching off a couple of systems can apparently allow an airliner to vanish.

Barry says the technology exists to allow planes to give off full real-time data. The
problem is planes are "snapshots in time from when they are designed".

"We're doing research into devices that will allow aircraft to start transmitting
information by satellite when something unusual like a fire or decompression
happens, but it's hard to fit things into a plane retrospectively.

"The 777 went into service in the early 90s... the technology is of that era," he says.

However, Gratton says ACARS would have done the job if it hadn't been turned off.
A more complex satellite system would also be open to that risk, he argues, unless
the industry wanted to go with = a system that couldn't be manually switched off,
and that would come with other risks.

"It's not a particularly easy question. Is the bigger risk an aircraft going missing, or
electronics overheating? Both situations can't be met," he says.

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[Roisin]

I feel so bad for the relatives of those Chinese and Malaysian passengers on that plane because ancestor worship and superstitions having to with the spirit world still play a big role in their lives not only on a cultural basis but also in terms of their national cultural identity. This despite the fact that other philosophies and religions have sought to suppress that "world view" in the modern era in that part of the world.

Because that "world view" still prevails, they are not getting the kind of closure they need for real peace of mind wrt the after world fate of their deceased relatives. They may not practice those old world customs and traditions openly but many still do when it come to burial rites. If the body of the deceased is missing, then those who still adhere to those old beliefs are probably terrified that their loved one will be stuck in the netherworld of the hungry spirits.

[SilentFeathers]

I feel so bad for the relatives of those Chinese and Malaysian passengers on that plane because ancestor worship and superstitions having to with the spirit world still play a big role in their lives not only on a cultural basis but also in terms of their national cultural identity. This despite the fact that other philosophies and religions have sought to suppress that "world view" in the modern era in that part of the world.

Because that "world view" still prevails, they are not getting the kind of closure they need for real peace of mind wrt the after world fate of their deceased relatives. They may not practice those old world customs and traditions openly but many still do when it come to burial rites. If the body of the deceased is missing, then those who still adhere to those old beliefs are probably terrified that their loved one will be stuck in the netherworld of the hungry spirits.

They will soon find (present) some parts to this plane to help give the families some closure to this event.....

[Roisin]

I feel so bad for the relatives of those Chinese and Malaysian passengers on that plane because ancestor worship and superstitions having to with the spirit world still play a big role in their lives not only on a cultural basis but also in terms of their national cultural identity. This despite the fact that other philosophies and religions have sought to suppress that "world view" in the modern era in that part of the world.

Because that "world view" still prevails, they are not getting the kind of closure they need for real peace of mind wrt the after world fate of their deceased relatives. They may not practice those old world customs and traditions openly but many still do when it come to burial rites. If the body of the deceased is missing, then those who still adhere to those old beliefs are probably terrified that their loved one will be stuck in the netherworld of the hungry spirits.

They will soon find (present) some parts to this plane to help give the families some closure to this event.....

Let's just hope that most will believe it wasn't planted there.

[SilentFeathers]

Even though I don't always agree with him a 100% of the time, I sure do anticipate hearing what Farrell has to say about certain matters....

THE REMOTE CONTROL-OF-AIRCRAFT-WITHOUT-PILOT-CONSENT CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG… (http://gizadeathstar.com/2014/03/remote-control-aircraft-without-pilot-consent-cat-bag/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GizaDeathStar+%28Giza+Death+Star%29&utm_content=FaceBook)


What’s new in this patent, and its relevancy both to the 9/11 storyline and the developing storyline to the Flight 370 affair is simply the statement that a system has been developed to override cockpit decisions remotely.
Joseph Farrell


Boeing wins patent on uninterruptible autopilot system
Published 4 December 2006

New technology can be activated by the pilots, government agencies, even on-board sensors; not even a tortured pilot can give up control; dedicated electrical circuits ensure the system’s total independence

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/boeing-wins-patent-uninterruptible-autopilot-system

I'm bumping this post because I think it is important and quite relevant to this event....and adding another thought or two to ponder.

If "someone" could take this jet over remotely and render the pilots useless/irrelevant, to steal this jet or even to crash it in the Southern Indian Ocean, wouldn't it also make sense that if a terrorist or suicidal pilot went rogue and was on a death wish, flying this plane around for 7+ hrs, that a Government/Military etc., could of easily found this plane via radar-satellite,(or other technology) within that 7+ hour window and remotely take the plane away from this terrorist or "suicidal pilot" and land it somewhere.?????????????

The question would be, who has the capability (access-codes-software) to "remotely" take over a Boeing 777? To make it "disappear"???? The Boeing 777 must have a very extreme security and firewall system to say the least.

A well experienced pilot could do what was done initially IMO, but to continue on for 7+ hours unchallenged is beyond logic and common sense, beyond belief.

[Bill Ryan]

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A comment on this page so delighted me, I thought I really should share it here.

http://presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/25/355959/the-cia-hoax-flight-370-revealed


There's one thing for sure: if you don't want your submarines found, just make them up to look like aircraft wreckage. :)

[HaveBlue]

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/ is another one to be watching on this.

[Bob]

Even though I don't always agree with him a 100% of the time, I sure do anticipate hearing what Farrell has to say about certain matters....

THE REMOTE CONTROL-OF-AIRCRAFT-WITHOUT-PILOT-CONSENT CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG… (http://gizadeathstar.com/2014/03/remote-control-aircraft-without-pilot-consent-cat-bag/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GizaDeathStar+%28Giza+Death+Star%29&utm_content=FaceBook)


What’s new in this patent, and its relevancy both to the 9/11 storyline and the developing storyline to the Flight 370 affair is simply the statement that a system has been developed to override cockpit decisions remotely.
Joseph Farrell


Boeing wins patent on uninterruptible autopilot system
Published 4 December 2006

New technology can be activated by the pilots, government agencies, even on-board sensors; not even a tortured pilot can give up control; dedicated electrical circuits ensure the system’s total independence

http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/boeing-wins-patent-uninterruptible-autopilot-system

I'm bumping this post because I think it is important and quite relevant to this event....and adding another thought or two to ponder.

If "someone" could take this jet over remotely and render the pilots useless/irrelevant, to steal this jet or even to crash it in the Southern Indian Ocean, wouldn't it also make sense that if a terrorist or suicidal pilot went rogue and was on a death wish, flying this plane around for 7+ hrs, that a Government/Military etc., could of easily found this plane via radar-satellite,(or other technology) within that 7+ hour window and remotely take the plane away from this terrorist or "suicidal pilot" and land it somewhere.?????????????

The question would be, who has the capability (access-codes-software) to "remotely" take over a Boeing 777? To make it "disappear"???? The Boeing 777 must have a very extreme security and firewall system to say the least.

A well experienced pilot could do what was done initially IMO, but to continue on for 7+ hours unchallenged is beyond logic and common sense, beyond belief.

This is the FlightGlobal DOT com link: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/diagrams-boeing-patents-anti-terrorism-auto-land-system-for-hijacked-210869/
which contains the diagrams from the Boeing Patent.


http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=15741
http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=15742

From the Flight Global webpage article:
"It’s unclear if the Boeing work is related to last week’s issuance of a $1.9 million US Federal Aviation Administration contract to Raytheon for an Advanced Route Evaluation System (ARES). According to Raytheon, ARES will perform risk analysis on aviation routes to help planners determine the best routes for aircraft to use during emergencies."

Checking to see if Raytheon got that contract, from their own investor website: http://investor.raytheon.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=84193&p=irol-newsArticle_print&ID=936814&highlight=
"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has awarded Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) a contract to produce the Advanced Route Evaluation System (ARES) that will perform risk analysis on aviation routes to help planners determine the best routes for aircraft to use during an emergency. The ARES contract was awarded under the Rapid Technology Application program (RTAP) and is valued at $1.9 million, in 2006"

see: http://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2011/t_5.html - "In 1994, the Boeing 777 became the second commercial airliner to fly using DFBW. For commercial aircraft, the replacement of heavy mechanical systems with DFBW controls provides greater fuel efficiency or the ability to carry more passengers or cargo." (DFBW - direct digital fly by wire) - DFBW is needed for Raytheon's system to control it completely, remotely.


http://spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2011/Images/T-14_opt.jpg

The first commercial airliner to fly with DFBW was the Airbus 320 in 1987, followed by Boeing’s 777 in 1994. Today, the technology features in a number of aircraft from both manufacturers.

It is unknown if the ARES system by Raytheon was installed, operative, or used on this 777. If it was, could it be controlled by a satellite system operated from Diego Garcia, most likely the answer would be yes. Could it be flown from any location where a satellite earth station was in place, the answer would be yes too. If this was the case, where was it flown to which could handle such a large plane (Diego Garcia can handle large planes) - could the small local population be silenced there? Seems like the answer would be yes easily.

So could the reports of Hijacking be plausible? If remote ARES-DFBW technology was installed, operative, and manually initiated no doubt that could be the case. Why would it be remotely hijacked?

Here is a strange thought - if the cargo contained a viral bio-weapon aerosol and it was released into the cabin, flight deck, to in essence create the "patient zero" effect, could the end result of that be a terrorist attack of a WMD unleashed on China when the plane landed?

Having found out about such, the appropriate military threat reduction authority that is, would it be appropriate to stop that plane, turn it around and have it land in a safe military location? If the plane crashed on-land, could a spread of such create a wild-fire situation? Recall that the Spanish flu of 1918 affected (http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/12/1/05-0979_article.htm) 500 MILLION people world-wide. Would a crash into the ocean release such a plague that could spread to land? Viri and bacteria do live in the ocean and are not necessarily killed by salt-water.

No doubt that stopping an "infected flight" should prevent the potential for a WW3 like incident being created by whatever "terrorist" released the bioweapon payload. Would it have spread and create a really nasty attack on China, quite possibly. Who would want to attack China, who would want to cause a plane to disappear (which was en-route to China).

All that is just conjecture, a what-if, why would such a plane be diverted and why would such a security fly-by-wire system be activated.

I've been following the strange coincidental ebola-like outbreak in west africa in another thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69697-Haemorrhagic-fever-outbreaks-have-been-reported-accident-natural-or-bio-weapon&p=814536&viewfull=1#post814536 - the discussion of what types of bio-weapon viruses that could be used in an attack are discussed in that thread. Seems there is an outbreak going on in Africa.. Is any of that related - I don't know.

[Cidersomerset]

Colleen Keller helped on the Air France flight and I caught an interview with
here a few nights ago on BBC News channel and she appeared to be critical of how
the search had been going. I was only half listening as I was on the computer
and thought I'd find it on the BBC webpage or U'tube later (still looking )
found this article.....

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Malaysia Airlines: Can a 250-year-old mathematical theorem find a missing plane?
Geoff Brumfiel | NPR | March 25th, 2014, 7:40pm


This statistical map guided searchers to an Air France flight that disappeared into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009.

/C. Keller/Metron

This statistical map guided searchers to an Air France flight that disappeared into
the Atlantic Ocean in 2009.

http://a.scpr.org/i/cf8562f574ca317ddd424fc71d9e286e/81112-eight.jpg


http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/me/2014/03/20140325_me_can_mathematics_find_missing_malaysia_jetliner.mp3?

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Searchers are feeling overwhelmed by the task of locating the wreckage of missing
Malaysian Airlines Flight 370.

"We're not searching for a needle in a haystack — we're still trying to define where
the haystack is," Australian Air Marshal Mark Binskin said Tuesday. The current
search zone stretches across many thousands of square miles of the Indian Ocean
off the coast of Australia.

But a 250-year-old mathematical theorem developed by an English minister might
be able to do what a small armada of satellites, planes and ships cannot — provide
a location (or at least a guess) of where the missing plane might be.

The theorem in question was developed by Thomas Bayes, a Presbyterian minister
who was a big fan of Isaac Newton and other scientists of the day. Bayes thought
very carefully about probability and developed a theorem for combining different
probabilities.

It's not the easiest to put it into words, but Arnold Barnett, a statistician at MIT's
Sloan School Of Management, explains it this way: Suppose someone in another
room throws a die and you're asked the odds he rolled a 5? "You'd say 1 in 6," he says.

"But now suppose [someone comes out of the next room] and says, 'an odd
number came up, but I don't remember which,' " he says. There are only three odd
numbers on the die (1, 3, and 5), so the odds of a 5 have gone up to 1 in 3.

Bayes' theorem is a formal way of revising that original 1-in-6 estimate based on
this new information about an odd number.

The theorem is used to analyze scientific results, and also to look for things. Metron
Corp. has used Bayes' theorem to hunt for everything from sunken submarines to
gold bullion.

Colleen Keller, a senior analyst with Metron, was called in to hunt for Air France
Flight 447, which disappeared somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean in 2009. A sonar
search for "pinger" beacons on the plane's two black boxes had turned up no sign
of the wreckage. "[They] were kind of throwing up their hands," she says. "They
brought us onboard to start collating the data and keep them organized."

Keller went to work developing a Bayesian model to look for the plane. She started
with data on the flight's last known position, along with details of currents and
weather, and stats from previous crashes. She calculated the odds of various
scenarios and combined them into a huge probabilistic framework. The
mathematical model calculated the odds of the plane being at any one point in a
nearly 50-mile radius of the last point of contact. Keller updated those odds after
searchers passed over a section of ocean.

But initially, the Bayesian search turned up nothing.

The reason provides a cautionary note about the power of such searches. In her
initial guess of where to look, Keller eliminated huge swaths of ocean floor because
nobody heard a signal from the plane's black boxes. "We actually looked at
historical data of a bunch of air crashes," she says. "Ninety percent of the time one
of them did work."

But the Air France flight was that 1-in-10 case where both boxes were damaged.
Two years later, she revised her probability map. This time, searchers started at a
red bull's-eye in the center of the search field. "It was literally within four or five
days, and they were right on it," she says.

Barnett says that the tale shows the strength, and weaknesses, of Bayes'
theorem. "Bayes' theorem is calm, it doesn't have emotions and it may actually tell
us things we might not have realized otherwise," he says.

But the theorem is only as good as the facts it includes. In the case of Air France,
the failure of both black boxes — against the odds — kept the theorem from initially
succeeding.

For the missing Malaysian Airlines flight, the problem may be the sea itself. The
southern Indian Ocean is vast, deep and prone to bad weather and powerful
currents. Search planes can miss things; boats can pass over wreckage and not
even realize it.

"If the search itself is imperfect, then the revisions under Bayes' theorem will still
leave a great deal of uncertainty," warns Barnett. "You might not be that far away
from where you started."

Still, Keller says, Bayes' theorem probably does have something to offer. Even if
the search area it predicts proves vast, "it's going to be better than searching the
whole Indian Ocean."

Copyright 2014 NPR. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.


http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/03/25/43059/malaysia-airline-can-a-250-year-old-mathematical-t/

[Cidersomerset]

I found Colleen Keller senior analyst on these vids she is not critical on these. But
explains a few aspects of drift and ping and reverse drifting back and some
technical details .....


http://www.metsci.com/Portals/_default/Skins/Metron2012/images/logo.jpg

http://www.metsci.com/portals/0/Interviews/CNN-ColleenKeller-20140316.png

CNN Situation Room (C. Keller) - (2014/03/25)

vid on link............

http://www.metsci.com/News/CNN-Situation-Room-C-Keller--2014-03-25

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http://www.metsci.com/Portals/_default/Skins/Metron2012/images/logo.jpg

CNN Quest Means Business (C. Keller) - (2014/03/25)

vid on link........

http://www.metsci.com/News/CNN-Quest-Means-Business-C-Keller--2014-03-25

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Its certainly an ideal place to loose a plane, whether real or planted wreckage.
There is a Chinese ice breaker down there it would be interesting if they find
the wreckage ? Would they confirm or expose whether it is genuine or not ?




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Chinese Antarctic research icebreaker Xue Long prepares to depart Fremantle
Habour on 21 March 2014, as at least seven Chinese ships are reported to head for
the southern Indian Ocean, where possible debris from a missing Malaysia Airlines
MH370 plane has been sighted. Photograph: GREG WOOD/AFP/Getty Images

[Bill Ryan]

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Folks, this is highly strange. It was referenced by Jim Stone (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com), and this is the source article that he quoted. It states that it is apparently known and provable that there is a clone of the MH-370 Boeing 777 sitting in Tel Aviv.

Presumably, if this is true, then the setup would be that the Israelis are planning to do something with the identical plane to frame the Iranians, and justify war.

My personal comment: If this really is on the cards, then it would have to emerge officially that the Southern Ocean debris is nothing to do with the plane after all... which means that the coast is clear for the Iranians to be blamed for a hijack.

This needs a bit more time to check it all out than I have available... any volunteers? Read with some interest...

From http://bollyn.com/#article_14613





Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?
Updated March 26, 2014

http://www.bollyn.com/public/Malay_Boeing_777.jpg


Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) - 28416/155, an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November 2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making? Where is this plane today?


Source: http://planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis-php

See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_11686

Update - According to reports from plane-spotters, Israel has an identical Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 in storage in Tel Aviv since November 2013. The only visible difference between the missing plane and the one in Tel Aviv would be its serial number. What do the Israelis have planned with the twin Malaysia Airlines plane?

By using the twin aircraft they have in storage, the terror masterminds may have a sinister plan for the missing plane to seemingly reappear in a false-flag atrocity. Public awareness of the twin plane in Tel Aviv, therefore, could prevent the evil plot from going ahead.

For more on the identical Malaysia plane in Tel Aviv see the latest entry, dated March 26, 2014, on my Q&A and Comment page. (http://www.bollyn.com/#article_11686)

Note: The Malaysia Air 777 with Boeing serial number 28416 and registered as 9M-MRI was sold to GA Telesis, LLC of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on October 21, 2013, and is now registered as N105GT. The aircraft was stored at Tarbes Lourdes Pyrenees on October 4, 2013, and then on November 4, 2013, it was re-registered as N105GT and stored at Tel Aviv.


See: http://planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis-php

Abdol Moabery serves as the President and Chief Executive Officer of GA Telesis, LLC. Previously, Mr. Moabery served as Executive Vice President of Aviation Systems International, Inc., and as Director of Marketing and Sales at C-S Aviation Services, Inc. Both of Moabery's former companies were owned by George Soros. Therefore it is not unlikely that Soros owns a good part of GA Telesis, too.


C-S Aviation Services:
https://mail-archive.com/osint@yahoogroups.com/msg64520.html



Aviation Systems International, Inc.
http://business.fau.edu/news-events/event-details/index.aspx?eid=2826#.UzFK2CO3PJs

This information is very important because it fits neatly into the terror scenario presented by Israeli El Al "security expert" Issac Yeffet shortly after the Malaysian plane went missing. Yeffet suggested the missing plane had been hijacked to Iran and was being prepared for a terror attack. For the Israelis to have an identical plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv reveals why Yeffet presented such a scenario. He appears to have been setting the stage for a false-flag attack like 9-11, perhaps in Israel. If such an attack were to occur in Israel all the evidence would be in the hands of Israeli intelligence giving them complete control of the interpretation or narrative of the terror event.

"I BELIEVE IRAN WAS INVOLVED"



"What happened to this aircraft, nobody knows. My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved. They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”

- Issac Yeffet, former El Al security expert to Times of Israel, March 17, 2014

World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
- Rupert Murdoch on Twitter, March 15, 2014

http://www.bollyn.com/public/Medusa_Touch_book_cover.jpg

It is not Iranians, but Israeli agents and Zionist propagandists like Rupert Murdoch who are the real authors of false-flag terror plots involving airliners being flown into hi-rise towers. Arnon Milchan, for example, the Israeli Mossad operative-cum-film producer, made the Medusa Touch film in 1978, in which a 9-11 type attack is the climax of the film. Is there a nefarious plot in the works to use the missing Malaysian plane for such an attack?

http://www.bollyn.com/public/Making_of_Medusa_Touch.jpg


The making of Milchan's Medusa Touch involved constructing models to simulate an aircraft striking a skyscraper.

With no trace of Beijing-bound flight MH370 after nine days, one of several theories that has emerged is that the plane was hijacked to Iran, where it could be turned into a massive and devastating weapon. Two Iranian passengers are known to have been aboard, travelling on false passports. While Israeli officials did not confirm any suspicions regarding Iran, experts said it is not a stretch to point the finger at Israel's Middle East nemesis.





“My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved ,” Issac Yeffet, formerly a global security expert for Israel’s national airline El Al told today’s Times of Israel. “They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”
[I]
- "Missing jet, Iranian threats, prompt Israel to tighten air security" by Paul Alster, March 17, 2014
The disappearance of the Malaysian Boeing 777 looks like something from a Batman movie plot - or a bad Israeli screenplay by Arnon Milchan and his business partner Rupert Murdoch. The missing plane is bound to turn up sooner or later. The hijackers - or Israeli computer hackers - didn't pull a fast turn to the west and make professional moves with the plane in order to simply drop it in the Indian Ocean. Or maybe they did. In any case, all of the events going on with the missing Boeing and the Ukrainian crisis look like the making of a perfect storm - or perhaps another false-flag terror spectacle like 9-11.

An Israel-based reporter named Paul Alster has an article on Murdoch's FoxNews.com giving an Israeli prognosis about the missing Malaysian Boeing 777. The article is important because it suggests that the Israelis may be setting the stage for a false-flag event using the missing plane as a flying bomb.

The article indicates that the Israelis may be projecting a planned terror scenario and are planting the idea in the public mind. The following article has comments from an Israeli El Al "security expert" that are very similar to comments tweeted by Rupert Murdoch the day before. Isn't it interesting that Rupert Murdoch and an Israeli airline security expert imagine the exact same fate for the missing Boeing?

MURDOCH'S COMMENTS ON MISSING PLANE



Obama should call Chinese President following today's incident and say "we both have the problem of Muslim terrorism. Can we work together?"

3:50 AM - 2 Mar 2014

777 crash confirms jihadists turning to make trouble for China. Chance for US to make common cause, befriend China while Russia bullies.

4:15 PM - 9 Mar 2014

World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
2:23 AM - 15 Mar 2014

777. Still think this a reminder that US and China should be working more closely on Muslim extremist threat.

2:26 AM - 15 Mar 2014
The Israeli comments in the article imagine a terror scenario like that described by Murdoch. It is important to note that the Israeli El Al "security expert" comes from the exact same groups (ICTS, El Al security, Menachem Atzmon, the Shin Bet and assorted Mossadniks), who projected the ideation of 9-11 (Murdoch’s "Lone Gunmen" pilot episode in 2000 and Arnon Milchan's Medusa Touch film in 1978) - and who were involved in the false-flag attacks of 9-11.

This is exactly what the evidence I present in my Solving 9-11 books reveals about Israeli involvement in the false-flag terrorism of 9-11. The fact that the same people are now projecting the ideation that the Boeing 777 has been hijacked (perhaps by computer like in the "Lone Gunmen") and will be used in a terror attack needs to be taken very seriously.

The game is on. We need to be aware of the very real possibility that the plane may resurface, used as a weapon of terror. If so, the attack would probably be designed to be a false-flag provocation that can be used to initiate aggression against a targeted foe – such as the Islamic Republic of Iran. If enough people understand the evil game of deception the Israelis are up to, they won't be able to pull off another major terror spectacle - and get away with it.

Here is the article by Paul Alster from FoxNews.com



Missing jet, Iranian threats, prompt Israel to tighten air security

By Paul Alster, March 17, 2014

HAIFA, Israel – Top Israeli defense officials have hurriedly put in place a confidential list of secret security measures in light of the baffling disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines jumbo jet that experts fear could become a weapon of mass destruction if in the wrong hands.

With no trace of Beijing-bound flight MH370 after nine days, one of several theories that has emerged is that the plane was hijacked to Iran, where it could be turned into a massive and devastating weapon. Two Iranian passengers are known to have been aboard, travelling on false passports. While Israeli officials did not confirm any suspicions regarding Iran, experts said it is not a stretch to point the finger at Israel's Middle East nemesis.

“My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved [in the disappearance of the plane],” Issac Yeffet, formerly a global security expert for Israel’s national airline El Al told today’s Times of Israel. “They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”

As the search continued to widen fruitlessly, Israeli security officials and aviation authorities, who have long feared a 9/11-style attack, conducted a security assessment and rapidly implemented a series of security measures. The only one reported publicly is that Israeli air traffic controllers will demand that incoming aircraft identify themselves earlier than has so far been the case, sources told FoxNews.com.
IDF officials aim to ensure an unthinkable repetition of the Twin Towers attack doesn’t happen in Tel Aviv, where the skyscraping triple Azrieli Towers rise high above the city. There's good reason to believe the three-tower commercial-residential-office complex is a coveted target of the Islamic Republic.

In a recent video simulation broadcast by Iranian state TV after the initial agreement with the international community on a reduction in Iran’s nuclear capability was signed, the Azrieli Towers were shown being blown up by Iranian missiles.

The Israeli media has speculated that if Iran played a part in the disappearance of the plane, it is all but certain the regime would not have been directly involved. It would likely instead act through a third party, using one of the many international terror organizations Iran sponsors and maintaining plausible deniability. Tehran would not want to jeopardize the easing of international sanctions and other gains made recently at the Geneva negotiations with the US and the P5+1.

The recent interception of a boatload of Iranian M-302 missiles headed for Israel’s enemies in the Gaza Strip or Sinai Peninsula has given rise to further speculation in Israel that Iran might be considering all manner of means to strike back after such an embarrassing and damaging loss.

“This would never have happened on an Israeli plane,” Yeffet said. “An El Al aircraft was hijacked for the first and last time in 1968. Since then, there has not been a single flight where security did not check every single name.”

Yeffet believes that the time consuming and often-criticized profiling of every passenger at Israeli airports would have picked up the Iranians travelling on false papers.

Most flights to and from Israel require check-in three hours before the advertised flight time and passengers are often faced with many questions (some personal) that some people take exception to. The fact remains though that the Israeli method seems to work and has, thus far, proved watertight.

“More security costs more money,” Menachem Yarden, a retired El Al pilot with more than 37 years experience told Fox News.com. “Few companies these days are making money because of increased costs and relatively low ticket prices. Especially in the U.S., spending more money on security and telling people to come 3 hours before the flight – even if their flight time is just one hour – it’s crazy. No-one would fly.”

Asked if air marshals - allegedly placed on every El Al plane - might have made a difference to flight MH370 if, as some believe, it has been hijacked, Yarden said, “As El Al pilots we didn’t know all the security measures [put in place]. Security is a separate matter [to piloting] and the fewer people that know about it, the more secure it is.”

Yarden said it is possible such a huge aircraft could have flown thousands of miles undetected.

“Yes. It is possible to fly as low as the pilot is able,” Yarden confirmed. “When you switch off the transponder no civil controller can see you. In 9/11 the pilots switched off the transponders and no one saw them. It is not like military radar which sends electromagnetic pulses that receives back the echo via antenna.”

“In this extraordinary case any theory might be the right theory,” Yarden concluded. “No one knows what’s happened.”

Sources:


"Ex-El Al expert: Iran likely involved in MH 370" by Debra Kamin, Times of Israel, March 16, 2014
http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-el-al-expert-iran-likely-involved-in-mh-370
“Missing jet, Iranian threats, prompt Israel to tighten air security” by Paul Alster, FoxNews.com, March 17, 2014
http://foxnews.com/world/2014/03/17/missing-jet-iranian-threats-prompt-israel-to-tighten-air-security

[Gerald Paris]

Thank you so much for sharing this information.

Def worth consideration

Much Love

G

[Selene]

Bingo, Bill.

Yes. Chase this. You're onto something here.

If indeed this plane has a clone, painted out the same - oh sh*t. Congratulation to Christopher Bollyn for finding this.

Regards,

Selene

[Bill Ryan]

Bingo, Bill.

Yes. Chase this. You're onto something here.

If indeed this plane has a clone, painted out the same - oh sh*t. Congratulation to Christopher Bollyn for finding this.

Regards,

Selene


Here's the test:

If this assertion about the cloned plane is true, what this is very likely to mean is that the Israelis plan to do something with the identical plane (like crash it into Tel Aviv, 9-11 style) -- and frame the Iranians. They can then attack Iran, with the world behind them.

Here's the rub: FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, it would have to be formally announced that the Southern Ocean debris is NOT the missing plane after all. That leaves the coast clear for the Israelis to roll out their false flag and set up the Iranians as successful hijackers.

So: watch carefully. If the ocean debris is "finally confirmed" (whether correctly or not) as belonging to the missing plane, then this scenario cannot be viable.

But if it IS announced officially (presumably in the next few days, because the search teams are good men and women working extremely hard!) that the debris is NOT the missing plane after all, and therefore there's a back-to-the-drawing-board situation of where-the-hell-IS-it -- then this information may need to be spread far and wide in order to prevent war.

[ThePythonicCow]

If this assertion about the cloned plane is true, what this is very likely to mean is that the Israelis plan to do something with the identical plane (like crash it into Tel Aviv, 9-11 style) -- and frame the Iranians. They can then attack Iran, with the world behind them.
Within the first few days after flight 370 went missing, Bill Still started reporting on it. His first report, as Still Report # 213, speculated that the plane had been hijacked to Iran for some nefarious scheme.

A day or two later, he retracted that first report, and pulled down that Youtube video, uploading instead Still Report # 213 v2 0 with an apology to Iran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD6HtqyC5hw

Since then, I've found Bill Still's reporting on Iran to mirror (rather too closely in my view) the diverse speculation that has been the hall mark of this incident.

My current oxygen deprived (Joseph Farrell's delightful phrase) speculation:

Bill Still is to some extent being used, like many of us might be, to spread conflicting explanations of this missing flight.

Still's initial report blaming Iran was (surely unbeknownst to Bill Still himself) part of a plan by Israel to run a false flag blaming Iran. Something went wrong with that operation, and now we just seeing a smoke screen of confusion to cover the resulting break down in the planned false flag.

Part of this speculation (that we're seeing a failed false flag by Israel against Iran) comes from some article I read on the web in the last day or two, so I can't claim that is my original thinking. But I cannot find that article now to give proper credit (for which that article's original author might be grateful.)

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Paul: Bill Still is to some extent being used, like many of us might be, to spread conflicting explanations of this missing flight."

Very possible. Adopting Bill's logic, better wait a few days to see where the 'plot' takes us, if the path will be open to a scenario such as this then ditributing the article around Israel would be a proper thing to do.

[Cidersomerset]

Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL

Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

new Thursday 27th March 2014 at 06:49 By David Icke



http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Malay_Boeing_777.jpg

‘Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in
storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155,
an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November
2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it
be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making?’

Read more: Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11-using-the-missing-777/

[Cidersomerset]

This is more of a strategic worry and I'll post on Bills thread as well.

Why just mention Manhattan ? just an metaphor or warning of another false flag ?
Could this plane be involved or a distraction ? Could the target of the plane be the
US not Iran but blamed on them as recent allegations have connected Tehran with
Lockerbie and other events ? Timing is always essential in these events, so
anything is possible.

Could all be the usual scare mongering for the mil ind complex not to receive
defence contract cuts in the wake of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan scaling down
combat wise ? lots of scenarios.

It is significant that he said the Russian dispute with Ukraine is regional. Maybe
to avoid the Kremlin stepping in if Iran is to be targeted. Lots of if and buts, but it
certainly feels something is brewing....

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Nuke Scare: Obama Warns of ’Loose Nukes Being Detonated in Manhattan’, Plays
War ’Mind-Games’ with World Leaders

new Thursday 27th March 2014 at 06:48 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/29505obamanuke_678x320_front.jpg

‘With deliberately-placed words, Obama dropped his own ’bomb’ on the press at the
Nuclear Security Summit in The Hague, raising the prospect of terrorists detonating
nukes in Manhattan.

When asked about his position on Russia and the recent Ukrainian Crisis, Obama
answered that Russia’s influence was localized to their region, and doesn’t
represent a threat to the United States. He then resurrected the specter of terrorism.

“They don’t pose the number one national security threat to the United States,”
Obama said. “I continue to be much more concerned, when it comes to our
security, of the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan.”‘

Read more: Nuke Scare: Obama Warns of ’Loose Nukes Being Detonated in
Manhattan’, Plays War ’Mind-Games’ with World Leaders

http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=29506

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/


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Got to go late for work.....LOL

[araucaria]

If Israel can be proven to be in possession of a Boeing in Malaysian Airlines livery, that is already an established false flag with intent to create a false flag attack. You can carry a gun without intent, you cannot innocently own a false flag. The loss of a twin aircraft cannot be anything but a part of that planned false flag attack: it simply cannot be coincidence.

Looking at the ‘miracle’ of Lourdes (or nearby Tarbes), Tarbes is where Tarmac Aerosave, an aircraft ‘cemetery’ (scrapyard and recycling plant), operates. This article from 2009 forecasts a cruising speed of 30 to 50 aircraft handled each year.

http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2009/06/23/628424-tarbes-le-cimetiere-ou-l-on-acheve-bien-les-avions.html

This facility also has a hangar capable of housing an Airbus 380. While Tarbes-Lourdes-Pyrénées Airport is large enough to handle these craft (presumably needed to transport all the pilgrims), no planes this size are currently ready for scrapping. However this is also an aircraft storage facility. At the time of writing, a brand new A319 was being got ready.

Here is an English language site:

http://www.airbus.com/innovation/eco-efficiency/aircraft-end-of-life/

So this part of the story can easily be true. Many commentators will be wrong-footed by this new development. They had decided in advance that the debris would be falsely proclaimed to come from the plane. The deception might now be that it is the truth that has not been announced until it is disbelieved by all but the general public. This can only mean that the plan has indeed gone wrong and no one was supposed to know about the second plane. All the same, Occam’s razor tells us that one plane was enough: what was wrong with simply hijacking the plane and then accusing the Iranians – given that there was nothing technically unfeasible? It would seem that not only has the plan gone wrong, it was a lousy plan in the first place.

Some of us would see this as one further example of how the elite have totally lost it and are being thwarted at every turn.

Edit:
It would seem to be just an ordinary Malaysia Airlines plane temporarily mothballed in Israel; not quite the same thing, but still one wonders what it is doing there.

[araucaria]

in my opinion, is well worth reading... and this

http://rense.com/general96/isthiswhy.html

might even be what actually happened. It has to be a credible theory -- one of quite a number, of course. Recommended (by me :) ).
Bill, Sean Spoonts’s theory of the political hijacking, at rense.com, makes no sense to me at all. I fail to see how the authorities could accede to his demands in such a way that they would be forced to carry them out once the plane landed. They would simply have arrested the pilot, and that would be that. How do you see this being done?

[Limor Wolf]

What may apparently be rather unreasonable with such an item, (and should be very carefully considered, as Paul alluded), is that somehow it could be expected that an Air craft such as this would be left in the open in a hangar in Tel Aviv with the possibility to be detected. Unfortunately the agencies can be given a little more credit than this when doing their operations.

I have worked in and around these aviation areas and am familiar enough with both Airports in Tel Aviv as well as the area of the IAI (Israeli Air Industry) where they have those hugh hungars in a close proximity to the airport. As an employee, it is sometimes possible to see foregin Airplains being parked or getting treatment in one of those hangars, a lot of U.S. military Aircrafts as the U.S army obviously has relations with Israel. But a Malasian Airplain is a 'No No' as Malysia is a Muslim country and as such has no relationship with Israel, in fact, no one with a Malaysian passport can enter the country and vice versa, such an aircraft will be highly suspicious to anyone seeing it.

One more thought, it is relatively very easy to paint an Aircraft with any one Logo, it is sometimes done with advertisments for specific occasions and charter planes are being painted all the time and there is no necassity to actually bring a plane such as Boeing which is common enough to the country unless it has some special markings that can survive whatever they are planning for it. Something just does not add up with this story, the more I think about it.

[SilentFeathers]

I'm not fully convinced that a cloned Malaysian 777 is sitting in an Israeli airport, it just seems too "obvious" and basically pretty ignorant on the Israeli's behalf to allow it to be seen if they were really planning a false flag to set Iran up.

If it is true though, I think with this "clone" rumor starting to get around and with all the suspicion on missing MH370, that if a plan was in the works for Israel to frame Iran, well, the mission may of already been aborted. I just can't see Israel starting a massive regional war with such a sloppy false flag plan such as this "cloned" plane, and all the BS and open ended questions surrounding MH370's disappearance......and if it was Israels original intent, it seems perhaps the West has thrown a wrench in it to prevent it.

This whole missing jet thing is far from over, so anything is possibly. Personally I would have to say it is very time sensitive if a huge event was planned with this plane, the window may have been missed.

Speculation on top of speculation....a bit like the confusing Sandy Hook fiasco, but more like a Sandy Hook event on steroids!

ADDED: If Dahboo is correct, Israel does have a like jet in their possession.

wWYANJzVJvY

Is it possible Israel is being this sloppy if they are planning a false flag against Iran with this jet?????

Perhaps :)

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2012/09/RedLine-1.jpg

[Humanbean]

This is an interesting BBC Doc on the construction of the RR Trent Engines. I saw it about a year ago and just looked it up because I remembered the scene in the control centre that monitors all Trent engines worldwide "24/7 365 days of the year". I suppose the question is whether the engines send out positioning data independent of the aircraft's systems, along with the engine critical info. Check it out from 42:30 to see the monitoring centre etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfomloUg2Gw

[Atlas]

Mystery call made before Flight...

March 23, 2014

http://www.ninemsn.com.au/img/2014/2303_370pilot_TAB_sp.jpg

MH370 Report claims woman with fake ID contacted pilot


The Mail On Sunday claims the call was one of the last on Captain Zahaire Ahmed Shah's mobile phone before the ill-fated flight left the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur on March 8.


In this case the SIM card used to call Captain Shah's phone was traced to a shop in Kuala Lumpur and had been purchased recently by a woman using a false identity.

A high-ranking Malaysian police officer was quoted by US Today as rejecting reports in British media that Captain Zaharie received a phone call moments before the flight was to depart from a woman who used a false name to obtain a mobile phone SIM card to make the call.

He was quoted as saying as far as investigators knew, he did not receive a call on his mobile phone at that time.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh370-pilot-responsible-us-newspaper-quotes-malaysian-official-20140327-zqnrx.html

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The New Straits Times reports that the son of pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah has dismissed speculation about his father's role in the tragedy, saying: "I know my father." 26-year-old Ahmad Seth said he was aware of theories that his dad could have hijacked the plane for political reasons or flown it deliberately into the sea. But he said: "I've read everything online. But I've ignored all the speculation. I knew my father better."

"We may not be as close as he travels so much. But I understand him," he said when met in Subang Jaya on Tuesday night. Seth appeared calm and composed during the interview, and did not reveal any resentment against those who portrayed his father as a "hijacker".

In a resigned tone, he said, he had expected the outcome after having waited for 18 days for news on the aircraft and its 239 occupants. Nevertheless, he was still clinging on to a glimmer of hope.

"Now, we are just waiting for the right confirmation (for the wreckage or bodies). I will believe it (that there are no survivors) when I see the proof in front of my eyes," he said calmly.

He reluctantly admitted that he was the strongest in his family in dealing with the crisis, but did not elaborate on how his other family members were coping. His family members, mother Faizah Khanum Mustafa Khan, elder siblings Ahmad Idris and Aishah, have thus far not spoken to the press.

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.nst.com.my/w1.nst.com.my/polopoly_fs/1.534329.1395849400!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_454/ximage.jpg.pagespeed.ic.d8vuSdkTVA.webp
Ahmad Seth Zaharie, 26, with his sister Aishah Zaharie (left), 27, and mother Faizah Khanum Mustafa Khan at an event.

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/i-know-my-dad-well-1.534266

[panopticon]

Fairly long article. Key points:


Thai satellite has detected what appears to be about 300 objects in the ocean ~200km from the area the French satellite detected 100+ the other day.
Pilots youngest son says that he does not believe his father deliberately crashed the plane.
FBI are still analysing pilots flight simulator to recover deleted data (unknown whether results will be released).
Bad weather has meant no air search today however ships have remained in the area, no objects recovered.


Almost forgot this really important bit:


The batteries powering the underwater ping only last 30 days and are due to run out on April 7.
Malaysia said on Tuesday that the locator would not arrive in the search area until April 5.

So only 2 days to actually detect the black box ping...

Not in this story but relevant was the report I heard on the wireless that in about 2 months wreckage will probably wash up on the West Coast of Tasmania as we're in the Southern Ocean current/roaring 40's.

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Thai satellite finds 300 floating objects in search for missing plane (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-27/malaysia-airlines-mh370-thailand-spots-300-objects/5350464)
ABC/Wires, 27th March 2013

Thailand has spotted 300 floating objects in the southern Indian Ocean during the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The Boeing 777 is thought to have crashed on March 8 with the loss of 239 people, after flying thousands of kilometres off course.

Thailand's Geo-Informatics Space Technology Development Agency says the objects, ranging from two to 15 metres in size, were scattered over an area about 2,700 kilometres south-west of Perth.

This is within the search area for the plane and is not far from where other satellite images of possible debris have been taken.

"We detected floating objects, perhaps more than 300," Anond Snidvongs, the agency's executive directory, said.

"But we cannot - dare not - confirm they are debris from the plane."

The pictures were taken by Thailand's only Earth observation satellite on Monday but needed several days to process.

Mr Snidvongs says the information has been given to Malaysia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5350506/data/thai-satellite-image-of-objects-in-search-for-mh370-data.jpg

The objects were spotted about 200 kilometres away from an area where French satellite images earlier showed potential objects in the search for the missing plane.

The French satellite detected more than 100 objects in an area about 2,500km south-west of Perth.

Those objects were in a 400-square-kilometre area and varied in length from one metre to 23 metres.

Captain's son dismisses speculation of intentional crash

Meanwhile, the youngest son of the pilot on the flight has dismissed speculation his father may have crashed the plane intentionally.

Ahmad Seth, son of captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, said he knew what kind of man his father was.

"I've read everything online. But I've ignored all the speculation. I know my father better," Mr Ahmad, 26, was quoted by the New Straits Times as saying.

"We may not be close as he travels so much. But I understand him."

Mr Zaharie, 53, along with his co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, has come under intense scrutiny after Malaysian authorities said flight MH370's disappearance on March 8 was due to "deliberate" action by someone on the plane.

Malaysian police have already questioned the family members of the pilots and other crew and seized a home-built flight simulator which Mr Zaharie installed in his house.

But they have not announced finding any evidence against him.

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation will complete its analysis of data deleted from the flight simulator "within a day or two", its director said on Wednesday in Washington.

FBI chief James Comey did not indicate whether the results of the analysis would be made public.

Bad weather hampers search

A bolstered international search team of 11 military and civilian aircraft and five ships criss-crossed the remote search site on Thursday morning but could not locate the possible debris.

A full-scale search was called off later in the day due to poor weather.

"Ships staying in search area [and] will attempt to continue searching but all planes returning. Bad weather expected for next 24 hours," the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) tweeted.

It is not known when the full search will resume.

One day had already been lost earlier this week because weather conditions were too dangerous, but the Bureau of Meteorology says the forecast for Friday is better.

Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak confirmed earlier this week that flight MH370 had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean, citing satellite-data analysis by British firm Inmarsat.

Australia is leading the search, with help from the United States, China, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea.

Recovery of wreckage could unlock clues about why and how the plane had diverted so far off course in one of aviation's most puzzling mysteries.

The US has sent equipment to Perth to help locate the so-called black box that recorded the flight's data, as well as the final two hours of chatter in the cockpit.

A US Navy "towed pinger locator" will be fitted to an Australian ship in Perth in the coming days.

Time is running out to find the bright orange-coloured box, which emits a ping in water that can be picked up from a depth of just over 4km.

The batteries powering the underwater ping only last 30 days and are due to run out on April 7.

Malaysia said on Tuesday that the locator would not arrive in the search area until April 5.

Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-27/malaysia-airlines-mh370-thailand-spots-300-objects/5350464)

[Atlas]

Captain's son dismisses speculation of intentional crash

Pilot of missing plane was his normal self the day before.

The pilot was in a jovial mood as usual the day before, according to fellow members of a club he belongs to. Capt Zaharie shared comical pictures on WhatsApp with fellow members Wahida Zamri, 27, and Nor Azana Hamid, 47, of the 'Kelab Peminat Mila AF5' or 'Da Voice of Mila (Davom).

This was conveyed by Wahida and Nor Azana who had known Zaharie through the club.

Wahida said Zaharie was a reserved individual but a helpful person who participated in the various activities organised by the club. "He had also joined an activity to collect funds to help the victims of the war in Gaza," the administrative assistant said, adding that Zaharie communicated within their WhatsApp group to share information and views on the club's activities.

Nor Azana, who claimed to have known Zaharie since 2007, said he was a highly experienced pilot with 33 years of service. "He has talked about how he trains new recruits. He has the talent to teach people," said the accountant.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-pilot-of-missing-plane-was-his-normal-self-the-day-before-1.504192

[SilentFeathers]

It's interesting how all these different countries are now finding small chucks of garbage floating in the Southern Indian Ocean now via satellite, but in the wee hours of March 8th they couldn't find or see a run-a-way Boeing 777 ?????????????

Thailand satellite finds 300 floating objects in missing Malaysian jet search (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Thailand-satellite-finds-300-floating-objects-in-missing-Malaysian-jet-search/articleshow/32778860.cms)

[SilentFeathers]

Captain's son dismisses speculation of intentional crash

Pilot of missing plane was his normal self the day before.

The pilot was in a jovial mood as usual the day before, according to fellow members of a club he belongs to. Capt Zaharie shared comical pictures on WhatsApp with fellow members Wahida Zamri, 27, and Nor Azana Hamid, 47, of the 'Kelab Peminat Mila AF5' or 'Da Voice of Mila (Davom).

This was conveyed by Wahida and Nor Azana who had known Zaharie through the club.

Wahida said Zaharie was a reserved individual but a helpful person who participated in the various activities organised by the club. "He had also joined an activity to collect funds to help the victims of the war in Gaza," the administrative assistant said, adding that Zaharie communicated within their WhatsApp group to share information and views on the club's activities.

Nor Azana, who claimed to have known Zaharie since 2007, said he was a highly experienced pilot with 33 years of service. "He has talked about how he trains new recruits. He has the talent to teach people," said the accountant.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-pilot-of-missing-plane-was-his-normal-self-the-day-before-1.504192

They basically have to blame the pilot(s) at this point to steer this whole thing away a bit from the top shelf conspiracy that is unfolding. The US already made it official that the pilot had to of had something to do with this.

Malaysia jet disappearance no accident, investigator says (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/26/malaysia-missing-plane/6907359/)

[panopticon]

I spent a bit of time looking up this and thought it might be of use to some one else.

I was very confused as to why a plane would have so much extra fuel on board so went a looking.


The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air.
Source (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19/malaysian-air-search-zone-shrunk-on-analysis-using-fuel-data.html)


Now the fuel capacity of a Boeing 777-200ER is 171,170 Litres (source (http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.page)) so what percentage of capacity were the planes tanks at?

Well I found conversion of 1 m^3 (1000 litres) = 704.4 kg (source (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/57-601-x/2010004/appendix-appendice1-eng.htm)).
So... Long story short it works out that around 70,000 litres was loaded which is about 40% of the total fuel capacity. (I just had another look at the conversion and I used aviation fuel in my conversion as opposed to aviation turbo fuel [which is 807.4 kg per m^3] so the actual tank would have held 61000 litres which is around 35% of capacity with aviation turbo fuel).

While this is in excess of the required fuel it isn't a great deal of fuel in relation to the capacity...

So why put extra fuel in the plane? This was what was bugging me and then I found in a forum (aviation forum I came across somewhere in my wanderings but lost the bloody link) someone mentioning that Malaysia Airlines routinely loads more fuel on flights to Beijing as it costs more to fuel up in Beijing than in Malaysia etc.

So, there's a possible explanation as to why the plane travelled further/longer than anticipated... Could also simply be that the pilot liked a bit more fuel in the tanks and routinely rounded it up...

Well, this may seem like a useless post but I thought if there was some other poor bugger out there wondering similar questions this might give em a place to start investimigatering.

Hope it was useful to someone.

-- Pan

[Operator]

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Folks, this is highly strange. It was referenced by Jim Stone (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com), and this is the source article that he quoted. It states that it is apparently known and provable that there is a clone of the MH-370 Boeing 777 sitting in Tel Aviv.

Presumably, if this is true, then the setup would be that the Israelis are planning to do something with the identical plane to frame the Iranians, and justify war.
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I think the scenario is plausible but has been averted ....

If this was the plan they would have executed it more precise and much sooner after the disappearance. At this moment
there is not enough evidence that the plane moved along the northern corridor and it is taking too long.
My guess is that they are aiming to end this debacle by finding debris along the southern corridor flightpath.

The reason why the story is developing so slowly is that there are too many eyes aimed at the potential crash areas to
stage a crash site now with the original parts of the plane to confirm the find. They might find a pinging beacon of a
black box that is irretrievable but enough to identify the plane.

Success rate of surprise attacks is highly dependable on timing and speed ... their window is closed by now.

[panopticon]

It's interesting how all these different countries are now finding small chucks of garbage floating in the Southern Indian Ocean now via satellite, but in the wee hours of March 8th they couldn't find or see a run-a-way Boeing 777 ?????????????

Thailand satellite finds 300 floating objects in missing Malaysian jet search (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Thailand-satellite-finds-300-floating-objects-in-missing-Malaysian-jet-search/articleshow/32778860.cms)

Wonder if before March 7th they had directed their satellites to view the Southern Ocean they would have found the same amount of debris...

Reckon they probably would, just no-one would have given a buggar...

-- Pan

[SilentFeathers]

Going back over this thread you'd think we are a bunch of conspiracy theorists!!!!! LOL! :)

Seriously though, this thread may actually be a bit historical and an important record, as I'm pretty sure some important puzzle pieces are contained within it.

[Operator]

Going back over this thread you'd think we are a bunch of conspiracy theorists!!!!! LOL! :)

Seriously though, this thread may actually be a bit historical and an important record, as I'm pretty sure some important puzzle pieces are contained within it.

What's wrong with that? Probably the bad connotation it already has ...
I think we're moving on ... maybe call it conspiracy analysts. I think that at least some pieces of the
analysis will hit some nails on the head. Even partially exposing those pieces may keep the evildoers at bay.
How functional is that for a change ... :peace:

[Atlas]

Possible Fire Suppression Bottle of an aircraft lands on Maldives beach (http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence)

Mar 25, 2014:

http://f1.haveeru.com.mv/photos/2014/03/0_13957403400_1395680470bomb_news_news.jpg

A police media official said that the islanders had found the object, washed up on the southern beach of Baarah in Haa Alif Atoll sometime early in the evening. He also reported that police had responded immediately by arriving at the scene and in turn reporting to Maldives National Defense Force (MNDF).

"MNDF is now at the island and preparing its extraction", the official said. The MNDF spokesperson major Hussein Ali reported that they are now looking into this "unknown" object that had washed up onto Baarah Island. He did not give details.

Mar 26, 2014:

Residents of the island have assumed the object, which was found washed up at the beach on Monday, to be bomb or sea mine, but the Maldives National Defence Force (MNDF) on Wednesday said it was not an explosive device. But the army did not specify the nature of the object.

An experienced local aircraft engineer, who wished to remain anonymous, told Haveeru that the object is "very likely" to be a fire suppression bottle from an aircraft.

http://quick.aero/sterling/blog/how-to-ship-apu-fire-bottles-as-non-explosives/@@content.attachment/388x375x678658848.pagespeed.ic.Fm-5teWM9D.jpg
A fire bottle is actually a fire extinguisher that puts out a fire in the APU (Auxiliary power unit)

"But I'll have to see it in person and cross check the part number on it. Then only I'll be able to say which type of aircraft it belongs to," the aircraft engineer said.

Two other aircraft engineers and a Maldivian pilot working at a foreign airline also said that the object was "likely" a fire suppression bottle from an aircraft. However, they also decline to arrive at a conclusion unless they see the object in person.

According to a statement issued by MNDF, the suspicious object found on the beach had been assessed by a special MNDF team and they had found that it was not an explosive or dangerous.

However, MNDF had still not identified what it exactly is. The unknown object discovered is now under inspection at MNDF Northern Area (Northern Command of the Maldives National Defence Force)

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fire-suppression-bottle-maldives.jpg
(A fire suppression bottle of an aircraft)

At present, we dont know if it was used one or still have gas. The bottle's connection to missing flight and amount of gas in it could be a key to unlock the mystery behind the plane's disappearance.

Mar 27, 2014:

The spokesperson of the Maldives National Defence Force, Major Hussain Ali, has confirmed to Maldivesfinest that they are aware of the talk relating object with missing MH370.

When asked if the MNDF is in touch with Malaysian Authorities or the Airline, the spokesperson declined to confirm but said they are in touch with the 'relevant authorities'.

When requested to grant access to our staff to photograph the object, the officer declined to give that chance. But, its likely that the military would soon release an update.

We are monitoring the developments and will update the story when there is new information available.

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/mh370-debris-maldives.png

[Hervé]

A lot more significant than any satellite photos especially after the eye witnesses from these islands reported a "Noisy, low flying, big commercial jet with an horizontal red stripe on it."

[SilentFeathers]

A lot more significant than any satellite photos especially after the eye witnesses from these islands reported a "Noisy, low flying, big commercial jet with an horizontal red stripe on it."

Yes it is:

It wouldn't surprise me if agents aren't right now planting 777 plane parts all over the surrounding area of the Indian Ocean to make this whole event even more confusing for everyone! LOL!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL

Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

new Thursday 27th March 2014 at 06:49 By David Icke



http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Malay_Boeing_777.jpg

‘Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in
storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155,
an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November
2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it
be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making?’

Read more: Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11-using-the-missing-777/

According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines) Malaysian Airlines has a total of 14 Boeing 777 aircraft.

A researcher (conspiracy analyst) might ask Malaysian Airlines if one of their Boeing 777 aircraft has been parked in Tel Aviv, and if "yes", ask why?

[Tesseract]

I read on RT that the special black box detector has to pass within a mile of the black box itself to get a signal [this seems ludicrous to me given the sensitivity of acoustic-electronics, but it does fit with the apparent difficulty in locating these things]. If that is correct, the chances of them finding the black box in the 2 day window they may have is very small indeed.

[meat suit]

I spent a bit of time looking up this and thought it might be of use to some one else.

I was very confused as to why a plane would have so much extra fuel on board so went a looking.


The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air.
Source (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19/malaysian-air-search-zone-shrunk-on-analysis-using-fuel-data.html)


Now the fuel capacity of a Boeing 777-200ER is 171,170 Litres (source (http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_200product.page)) so what percentage of capacity were the planes tanks at?

Well I found conversion of 1 m^3 (1000 litres) = 704.4 kg (source (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/57-601-x/2010004/appendix-appendice1-eng.htm)).
So... Long story short it works out that around 70,000 litres was loaded which is about 40% of the total fuel capacity. (I just had another look at the conversion and I used aviation fuel in my conversion as opposed to aviation turbo fuel [which is 807.4 kg per m^3] so the actual tank would have held 61000 litres which is around 35% of capacity with aviation turbo fuel).

While this is in excess of the required fuel it isn't a great deal of fuel in relation to the capacity...

So why put extra fuel in the plane? This was what was bugging me and then I found in a forum (aviation forum I came across somewhere in my wanderings but lost the bloody link) someone mentioning that Malaysia Airlines routinely loads more fuel on flights to Beijing as it costs more to fuel up in Beijing than in Malaysia etc.

So, there's a possible explanation as to why the plane travelled further/longer than anticipated... Could also simply be that the pilot liked a bit more fuel in the tanks and routinely rounded it up...

Well, this may seem like a useless post but I thought if there was some other poor bugger out there wondering similar questions this might give em a place to start investimigatering.

Hope it was useful to someone.

-- Pan

talked with a pilot a while back, and he said they always carry more in case of wind direction changes... it can make a massive difference if you fly against the wind rather than with it...., or if they end up going round and round a waiting loop at the destination airport etc.

[ThePythonicCow]

Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL
Dahboo777 (backup channel for Dahboo77) also has a report on this plane, including some details of the purchase and location of it now in Tel Aviv: wWYANJzVJvY

[ThePythonicCow]

If this was the plan they would have executed it more precise and much sooner after the disappearance.
Unless, perhaps, it -was- their plan, but then something went awry, and they had to abandon their plan before finishing it.

(I am imagining Russian President Putin being shown some data from his satellites and giving Israeli President Shimon Peres a friendly little call <grin>.)

[ThePythonicCow]

ADDED: If Dahboo is correct, Israel does have a like jet in their possession.

wWYANJzVJvY

Aha - you beat me to it by several hours.


... if a plan was in the works for Israel to frame Iran, well, the mission may of already been aborted.

...
Personally I would have to say it is very time sensitive if a huge event was planned with this plane, the window may have been missed.
Yup.

[SilentFeathers]

ADDED: If Dahboo is correct, Israel does have a like jet in their possession.

wWYANJzVJvY

Aha - you beat me to it by several hours.


... if a plan was in the works for Israel to frame Iran, well, the mission may of already been aborted.

...
Personally I would have to say it is very time sensitive if a huge event was planned with this plane, the window may have been missed.
Yup.

I'm really surprised they haven't "found" a piece of this jet yet to show every one, must still be some behind the scenes bickering going on :)

[Operator]

Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL
Dahboo777 (backup channel for Dahboo77) also has a report on this plane, including some details of the purchase and location of it now in Tel Aviv: wWYANJzVJvY

If you click on the links in the description of the video and follow through you end up here:
http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/GA-Telesis the owner seems to be GA Telesis LLC a US company ...

They're a global company and yet the page http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/GA-Telesis displays
that this company currently has a fleet of only 1 stored plane ... ? Weird indeed.