Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Rocky_Shorz]

What may apparently be rather unreasonable with such an item, (and should be very carefully considered, as Paul alluded), is that somehow it could be expected that an Air craft such as this would be left in the open in a hangar in Tel Aviv with the possibility to be detected. Unfortunately the agencies can be given a little more credit than this when doing their operations.

I have worked in and around these aviation areas and am familiar enough with both Airports in Tel Aviv as well as the area of the IAI (Israeli Air Industry) where they have those huge hangars in a close proximity to the airport. As an employee, it is sometimes possible to see foreign Airplanes being parked or getting treatment in one of those hangars, a lot of U.S. military Aircrafts as the U.S army obviously has relations with Israel. But a Malaysian Airplane is a 'No No' as Malaysia is a Muslim country and as such has no relationship with Israel, in fact, no one with a Malaysian passport can enter the country and vice versa, such an aircraft will be highly suspicious to anyone seeing it.

One more thought, it is relatively very easy to paint an Aircraft with any one Logo, it is sometimes done with advertisements for specific occasions and charter planes are being painted all the time and there is no necessity to actually bring a plane such as Boeing which is common enough to the country unless it has some special markings that can survive whatever they are planning for it. Something just does not add up with this story, the more I think about it.


Would Military intelligence have any need for an identical plane to practice controlling flight and communications for a future mission? ;)

[Atlas]

GA Telesis LLC [...] currently has a fleet of only 1 stored plane ... ? Weird indeed.

GA Telesis Continues to Provide Best-In-Class Component Support via Disassembly of Boeing 777-200ER, 767-200ER and 757-200ER (http://www.gatelesis.com/ga-telesis-disassembles-boeing-777-200er-767-200er-and-757-200er/)

July 10, 2013 Ft. Lauderdale, FL

GA Telesis, LLC (“GAT”), announced that it has started the dismantling process for three Boeing aircraft, including one 777-200ER (TRENT 800) (MSN 28418) ex-Malaysia Airlines, one 767-200ER (CF6-80A) (MSN 22326) ex American Airlines and one 757-200 (PW2000) (MSN 25276) ex-United Airlines.

All aircraft have entered the GA Telesis disassembly production line in the USA, and the aircraft dismantling and remarketing efforts will be led by the GA Telesis supply chain and global sales teams respectively.

GA Telesis has been a recognized leader in the aftermarket by becoming the only company to have substantial dismantling and parts redistribution capabilities on three continents. These three acquisitions represent a significant financial commitment towards supporting its customers. A market leader, GA Telesis has always taken an innovative approach towards supporting the aftermarket by providing access high-quality overhauled components for in-production and legacy aircraft. GA Telesis is the first-and-only company to part-out more than one 777-200 and has another 777-200ER aircraft scheduled for disassembly in August. The 777 transactions, as well as the addition of the Boeing 767-200ER and 757-200ER disassembly programs reflects GA Telesis’ dedication to understanding the requirements of their customers’ and the industry’s needs.

For additional information: please contact Rebecca C. Longo at rlongo@gatelesis.com

[Atlas]

There Are a Lot of Satellites Out There (http://abcnews.go.com/International/satellites-thai-chinese-french-plane-search/story?id=23086550)

The search for the plane has highlighted the fact that dozens of nations have satellites in orbit that have the ability to take pictures of the earth below. In addition, many private companies operate satellites that take photos they then sell to foreign governments, including the United States government, according to Micah Walter-Range, Director of Research and Analysis for the Space Foundation.

"In terms of a rough count, there are more than 100 'Earth observation' and 'remote sensing' satellites in orbit at present, owned and operated by companies or by government agencies (both civil and military) from more than 30 countries, including developing nations such as Algeria, Nigeria, Venezuela, and Vietnam," Walter-Range said in an email to ABC today. Not all of the satellites currently orbiting the earth take images, he explained, but many do.

Companies are currently researching ways to stream live video of satellite images to the ground, so analysts could watch as satellites passed over the suspected debris field and report to search crews in real time, but Walter-Range said that technology is not commercially available yet. It is unknown whether government satellites have such capabilities.

[SilentFeathers]

There Are a Lot of Satellites Out There (http://abcnews.go.com/International/satellites-thai-chinese-french-plane-search/story?id=23086550)

The search for the plane has highlighted the fact that dozens of nations have satellites in orbit that have the ability to take pictures of the earth below. In addition, many private companies operate satellites that take photos they then sell to foreign governments, including the United States government, according to Micah Walter-Range, Director of Research and Analysis for the Space Foundation.

"In terms of a rough count, there are more than 100 'Earth observation' and 'remote sensing' satellites in orbit at present, owned and operated by companies or by government agencies (both civil and military) from more than 30 countries, including developing nations such as Algeria, Nigeria, Venezuela, and Vietnam," Walter-Range said in an email to ABC today. Not all of the satellites currently orbiting the earth take images, he explained, but many do.

Companies are currently researching ways to stream live video of satellite images to the ground, so analysts could watch as satellites passed over the suspected debris field and report to search crews in real time, but Walter-Range said that technology is not commercially available yet. It is unknown whether government satellites have such capabilities.

Amazingly though none of these satellites were working March 8th....

[Rocky_Shorz]

There Are a Lot of Satellites Out There (http://abcnews.go.com/International/satellites-thai-chinese-french-plane-search/story?id=23086550)

The search for the plane has highlighted the fact that dozens of nations have satellites in orbit that have the ability to take pictures of the earth below. In addition, many private companies operate satellites that take photos they then sell to foreign governments, including the United States government, according to Micah Walter-Range, Director of Research and Analysis for the Space Foundation.

"In terms of a rough count, there are more than 100 'Earth observation' and 'remote sensing' satellites in orbit at present, owned and operated by companies or by government agencies (both civil and military) from more than 30 countries, including developing nations such as Algeria, Nigeria, Venezuela, and Vietnam," Walter-Range said in an email to ABC today. Not all of the satellites currently orbiting the earth take images, he explained, but many do.

Companies are currently researching ways to stream live video of satellite images to the ground, so analysts could watch as satellites passed over the suspected debris field and report to search crews in real time, but Walter-Range said that technology is not commercially available yet. It is unknown whether government satellites have such capabilities.

Amazingly though none of these satellites were working March 8th....

can't blame it on sunflares, the sun was quiet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29825-Sun-Stuff-What-s-up-&p=806745&viewfull=1#post806745)...

[Atlas]

Ex Malaysian Air CEO defends MH370 pilot:

nsZ5KKgIgkQ

[Hervé]

Diego Garcia Military Base: Islanders Forcibly Deported (http://www.globalresearch.ca/diego-garcia-military-base-islanders-forcibly-deported/15840)

By Sherwood Ross (http://www.globalresearch.ca/author/sherwood-ross) Global Research, March 27, 2014
27 October 2009
Region: USA (http://www.globalresearch.ca/region/usa)
Theme: Militarization and WMD (http://www.globalresearch.ca/theme/militarization-and-wmd)


http://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/115840.jpg


In order to convert the sleepy, Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia into a dominating military base, the U.S. forcibly transported its 2,000 Chagossian inhabitants into exile and gassed their dogs.

By banning journalists from the area, the U.S. Navy was able to perpetrate this with virtually no press coverage, says David Vine, an assistant professor of anthropology at American University and author of “Island of Shame: the Secret History of the U.S. Military on Diego Garcia(Princeton University Press).”

“The Chagossians were put on a boat and taken to Mauritius and the Seychelles, 1,200 miles away, where they were left on the docks, with no money and no housing, to fend for themselves,” Vine said on the interview show “Books Of Our Time,” sponsored by the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover.

“They were promised jobs that never materialized. They had been living on an island with schools, hospitals, and full employment, sort of like a French coastal village, and they were consigned to a life of abject poverty in exile, unemployment, health problems, and were the poorest of the poor,” Vine told interview host Lawrence Velvel, dean of the law school.

Their pet dogs were rounded up and gassed, and their bodies burned, before the very eyes of their traumatized owners, Vine said.

“They were moved because they were few in number and not white,” Vine added. The U.S. government circulated the fiction the Chagossians were transient contract workers that had taken up residence only recently but, in fact, they had been living on Diego Garcia since about the time of the American Revolution. Merchants had imported them to work on the coconut and copra plantations. Vine said the U.S. government induced The Washington Post not to break a story spelling out events on the island.

“Through Diego Garcia,” Vine pointed out, “the U.S. can project its power throughout the Middle East, and from East Africa to India, Australia and Indonesia. With Guam, the island is the most important American base outside the U.S.” He said U.S. bases now number around 1,000, including 287 in Germany, 130 in Japan and Okinawa, and 57 in Italy.

“Bases have been essential tools of U.S. military and economic power since not long after independence,” Vine pointed out. “We had bases all the way to the Pacific. After the Civil War, the U.S. began to acquire coaling bases in the Pacific.”

Although the Chagossians were forcibly removed in 1971, they still hope to return, Vine says, and refer to their period of exile as one of “profound sorrow.” Vine says they would be happy to live on the unused eastern portion of the island and work at the base but the U.S. instead “imports contract labor from other areas so they can send them home when the job is done.” The island’s exiled survivors and their descendants today number about 5,000.

Long off limits to reporters, the Red Cross, and all other international observers and far more secretive than Guantánamo Bay, many long suspected the island was a clandestine CIA “black site” for high-profile detainees, Vine wrote in a related article. Journalist Stephen Grey’s 2006 book “Ghost Plane” documented the presence on the island of a CIA-chartered plane used for rendition flights. On two occasions former U.S. Army General Barry McCaffrey publicly named Diego Garcia as a detention facility. And a Council of Europe report named the atoll, along with those in Poland and Romania, as a secret prison.

The island became “a major launch pad” for the U.S. attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, Vine said. In addition to its capacious harbor, the island readily supports some of the largest U.S. warplanes, including Air Force B-52s, B-1Bs and B-2s. Two years ago, the Pentagon awarded a $32 million contract to add a submarine base to the island’s arsenal.

Diego Garcia had been a British possession until 1966, when London allowed the U.S. to use it as a military base in exchange for cancelling a $14-million British debt for a military hardware purchase. Some idea of the size of the base may be conveyed by the fact it is said by the Pentagon to contain 654 buildings.

In a related article about Diego Garcia, Vine has written: “With support for the Chagossians’ struggle growing in both the United States and Britain at the same time that revelations about a secret CIA prison are spreading, the United States must finally act to remedy the damage done by another Guantánamo damaging too many lives and undermining its international legitimacy. The United States must allow the Chagossians to return and assist Britain in paying them proper compensation; the United States must close the detention facilities and open Diego Garcia to international investigators; the United States must end the painful irony that is a base the military calls the ‘Footprint of Freedom.’”

Sherwood Ross is a media consultant to the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover. Reach him at sherwoodross10@gmail.com (sherwoodross10@gmail.com)

[panopticon]

Latest AMSA update on the new interpretation of data from Malaysian radar...

Search area being shifted North 1100 km.

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MEDIA RELEASE
28th March, 2014: 12.30pm (AEDT)

Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 23

The search area for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been updated after a new credible lead was provided to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA).

As a result today’s search will shift to an area 1,100 kilometres to the north east based on updated advice provided by the international investigation team in Malaysia.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), Australia’s investigation agency, has examined this advice and determined that this is the most credible lead to where debris may be located.

The new search area is approximately 319,000 square kilometres and around 1,850 kilometres west of Perth.

The new information is based on continuing analysis of radar data between the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca before radar contact was lost.

It indicated that the aircraft was travelling faster than previously estimated, resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance the aircraft travelled south into the Indian Ocean.

ATSB advises the potential flight path may be the subject of further refinement as the international investigative team supporting the search continues their analysis.

The Australian Geospatial-Intelligence Organisation is re-tasking satellites to image the new area.

Weather conditions have improved in the area and ten aircraft are tasked for today’s search.

They include two Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese Coast Guard jet, a Japanese P3 Orion, a Republic of Korea P3 Orion, a Republic of Korea C130 Hercules, a Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion, a Chinese military Ilyushin IL-76, a United States Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft, and one civil jet acting as a communications relay.

A further RAAF P3 Orion has been placed on standby at Pearce to investigate any reported sightings.

There are now six vessels relocating to the new search area including HMAS Success and five Chinese ships.

AMSA and the ATSB will hold a press conference at 1430 (AEDT) to provide more details on the new search area.

Source (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/28032014MH370Update23.pdf)

[gripreaper]

Amazingly though none of these satellites were working March 8th....

Come on, there aren't enough satellites. How could they possibly see anything?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydbbd-4oEds

[panopticon]

Map showing new search area:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5352458-3x2-940x627.jpg

-- Pan

[panopticon]

Media release update 24 from AMSA.

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MEDIA RELEASE (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/28032014MH370AMSA_ATSB_Media_Release_000.pdf)
28th March, 2014: 1430 (AEDT)

Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 24

Australian Maritime Safety Authority Emergency Response General Manager John Young.
Australian Transport Safety Bureau Chief Commissioner Martin Dolan.

We would like to update you on some credible information AMSA has received from the ATSB which will see the search area refocused today.

The AMSA search for any sign of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been shifted to an area north following advice from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau.

An international air crash investigation team in Malaysia provided updated advice to the ATSB, which has examined the information and determined an area 1100 kilometres to the north east of the existing search area is now the most credible lead as to where debris may be located.

The new search area is approximately 319,000 square kilometres, about 1850 kilometres west of Perth.

The Australian Geospatial-Intelligence Organisation (AGO) is re-tasking satellites to capture images of the new area.

Weather conditions are better in the revised area and ten aircraft have been tasked for today’s search.

They include two Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese Coast Guard Gulfstream 5 jet, a Japanese P3 Orion, a Republic of Korea P3 Orion, a Republic of Korea C130 Hercules, a Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion, a Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, a United States Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft, and one civil Australian jet acting as a communications relay.

Four of the ten aircraft are overhead the search area, with a further six planes to fly over the area today.

A further RAAF P3 Orion has been placed on standby at RAAF Base Pearce in WA to investigate any reported sightings.

Six ships are relocating to the new search area including HMAS Success and five Chinese ships.

Chinese Maritime Safety Administration (MSA) patrol ship, Haixun 01, is in the search area.

HMAS Success is expected to arrive in the search area late tomorrow night.

A US towed pinger locator and Bluefin-21 Autonomous Underwater Vehicle have arrived in Perth to assist with location and recovery of the black box.

The depth of the water in the search area is between 2000 and 4000 metres.

These will be fitted to Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield which will arrive in Western Australia in the coming days.

Australian Transport Safety Bureau Chief Commissioner Martin Dolan:

The ATSB, as Australia’s transport investigation agency, is working with a range of other international expert organisations to analyse available data and determine the best area to search.

The key pieces of information being analysed relate to early positional information from the aircraft and later polling of a satellite by an aircraft system.

The new information is based on continuing analysis of radar data between the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca before radar contact was lost.

It indicated the plane was travelling faster than previously estimated, resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance it travelled south into the Indian Ocean.

The international investigative team supporting the search continues their analysis, which could still result in further refinement of the potential flight path.

This has been combined with information about the likely performance of the aircraft—such as speed and fuel consumption for example—to arrive at the best assessment of the area in which the aircraft is likely to have entered the water.

The information provided by the international investigative team is the most credible lead we currently have in the search of aircraft wreckage.

However, this information needs to be continually adjusted for the length of time elapsed since the aircraft went missing and the likely drift of any wreckage floating on the ocean surface.

Finally, let me stress that under international convention, Malaysia has investigative responsibility for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. At this stage, the ATSB’s main task is to assist in the search for the aircraft.

* All times expressed in Australian Eastern Daylight Time (AEDT).

Source (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/28032014MH370AMSA_ATSB_Media_Release_000.pdf)

[panopticon]

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[araucaria]

Amazingly though none of these satellites were working March 8th....

Come on, there aren't enough satellites. How could they possibly see anything?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydbbd-4oEds
Presumably, like surveillance cameras in Paris tunnels, satellites are switched off or out of order when most needed.

[Cidersomerset]

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http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.1/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

28 March 2014 Last updated at 05:31


Royal Australian Air Force AP-3C Orion aircraft during a search operation. March 2014

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73869000/jpg/_73869953_021685507.jpg

The new area is closer to Western Australia and should allow for longer search periods


The search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has moved to a new part of
the Indian Ocean due to a "credible lead", Australia says.The Australian Maritime
Safety Authority (Amsa) said the search would now focus on an area 1,100km
north-east of the previous zone.The move was based on more analysis of radar
data that showed the plane was going faster, thus using more fuel.The Beijing-
bound airliner disappeared on 8 March with 239 people on board.

Malaysian officials have concluded that, based on satellite data, it flew into the sea
somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean. So far no trace of it has been found.
Search efforts had until Friday morning focused on an area some 2,500km (1,550
miles) to the south-west of the Australian city of Perth. But John Young, general
manager of Amsa's emergency response division, said that teams had "moved on"
from that area based on the new information.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73870000/jpg/_73870305_2014_03_28_cumulative_search_handoutppp.jpg

Search area on 28 March 2014 (Image via Amsa) Teams are now searching a new
area, in yellow, north-east of the previous zone, in grey
'Reduced distance'A statement from Amsa - which is co-ordinating the search - said
the new information had come from the international investigation team in
Malaysia. This was based on "continuing analysis of radar data between the South
China Sea and the Strait of Malacca before radar contact was lost", Amsa said.


Short vid on link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26780897

Amsa's John Young: "The search has moved from the 'roaring forties'

"It indicated that the aircraft was travelling faster than previously estimated,
resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance the aircraft
travelled south into the Indian Ocean."

It said that the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) had determined that this
was "the most credible lead to where debris may be located".

The new search area is about 1,850km west of Perth and covers some 319,000 sq
km (123,000 sq miles).Mr Young, of Amsa, said it represented the "best estimate of
the area in which the aircraft is likely to have entered the ocean" and took account
of possible drift. The new search area was outside the "roaring forties" bad weather
zone, meaning conditions were likely to be better. Aircraft would also be able to
spend more time in the area because it was closer to land, he said.

The potential flight path could be the subject of further refinement as investigations
continued, Amsa said, adding that satellites would now focus on the new area.Amsa
said nine military aircraft would be scouring the area on Friday, with a civilian
aircraft acting as a communications relay.Five ships from China and one from
Australia were also relocating to that area. One Chinese patrol ship was already at
the scene, Amsa said.

Major challenge

Mystery still surrounds the fate of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 which vanished
from civilian radar screens less than an hour after taking off from Kuala Lumpur.
The reason why the airliner veered off course and lost contact with air traffic
controllers continues to baffle experts.The remote and vast expanse of ocean has
turned the search into a major challenge.

Using satellite images, several nations have identified objects floating in the sea in
the previous search area, but these have not been located and there is no evidence
that they are related to the plane. Some relatives of the flight's 153 Chinese
passengers have refused to accept the Malaysian account of events and accused
officials of withholding information.Earlier, China's state news agency Xinhua said
that Chinese insurance firms had begun to offer payouts to the relatives.

On Thursday, Malaysia Airlines took out a full-page condolence advertisement in
the New Straits Times, saying: "Our sincerest condolences go out to the loved ones
of the 239 passengers, friends and colleagues. Words alone cannot express our
enormous sorrow and pain."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26780897

[araucaria]

.
It said that the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) had determined that this
was "the most credible lead to where debris may be located".

The new search area is about 1,850km west of Perth and covers some 319,000 sq
km (123,000 sq miles).Mr Young, of Amsa, said it represented the "best estimate of
the area in which the aircraft is likely to have entered the ocean" and took account
of possible drift. The new search area was outside the "roaring forties" bad weather
zone, meaning conditions were likely to be better. Aircraft would also be able to
spend more time in the area because it was closer to land, he said.

The potential flight path could be the subject of further refinement as investigations
continued, Amsa said, adding that satellites would now focus on the new area.Amsa
said nine military aircraft would be scouring the area on Friday, with a civilian
aircraft acting as a communications relay.Five ships from China and one from
Australia were also relocating to that area. One Chinese patrol ship was already at
the scene, Amsa said.

Major challenge

Mystery still surrounds the fate of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 which vanished
from civilian radar screens less than an hour after taking off from Kuala Lumpur.
The reason why the airliner veered off course and lost contact with air traffic
controllers continues to baffle experts.The remote and vast expanse of ocean has
turned the search into a major challenge.

Using satellite images, several nations have identified objects floating in the sea in
the previous search area, but these have not been located and there is no evidence
that they are related to the plane. Some relatives of the flight's 153 Chinese
passengers have refused to accept the Malaysian account of events and accused
officials of withholding information.Earlier, China's state news agency Xinhua said
that Chinese insurance firms had begun to offer payouts to the relatives.

They seem happiest with the idea that this plane was not going anywhere, no landfall in this direction, so no suspected destinations and plenty of sea to look at. If you are just pretending, it makes sense to look preferably where the weather is not too bad and not too far from land. Otherwise you are not more likely to find debris here – you are more likely to find debris where the aircraft came down, if that is what it did.

[Jean-Luc]

As a conspiracy analyst,

- based on the well documented research above,
- and on official information on Erdogan in Turkey (Source : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-27/here-youtube-false-flag-attack-syria-clip-erdogan-wanted-banned)

I think we can reasonably assume, for the time being, that while the other day 'pharaoh' Obama was visiting Amsterdam for a NATO meeting, Brussels for commemorations of WWI and Rome -- where he discussed poverty with Pope Francis -- with an armada of two Air Force One, two Cadillac, seven helicopters and 1000 security people,

- information on plans for a false flag attack by a NATO country, namely Turkey, against Syria was leaked
- and another false flag attack by a major non-NATO ally (MNNA), namely Israel, against Iran was failed.

Interesting times.

[panopticon]

Full press conference from AMSA & ATSB (14:30 28th March 2014) on the reason for shifting the MH370 search site.

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Original video (https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/asset.amsa.gov.au/MH370+Day+11/Press+Conference+3/2014_03_28_press_conference+3.mp4) sourced from:
http://amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/mh370-search.asp

I'm including these for later reference.

-- Pan

[ThePythonicCow]

I think we can reasonably assume, for the time being, that while the other day 'pharaoh' Obama was visiting Amsterdam for a NATO meeting, Brussels for commemorations of WWI and Rome -- where he discussed poverty with Pope Francis -- with an armada of two Air Force One, two Cadillac, seven helicopters and 1000 security people,

- information on plans for a false flag attack by a NATO country, namely Turkey, against Syria was leaked
- and another false flag attack by a major non-NATO ally (MNNA), namely Israel, against Iran was failed.

Interesting times.

Yes, very interesting.

[panopticon]

As if on cue AMSA is reporting:


RNZAF Orion spotted objects in #MH370 search area, identity to be established. Soon to land @ RAAF Pearce. AMSA awaiting imagery.
Sightings need confirmation by ship - not expected until tomorrow.
AMSA News Twitter (https://twitter.com/AMSA_News)

-- Pan

[Gardener]

So while everyone had satelites, planes, ships, news media and attention focused on previous search area................[:tape:]

[Roisin]

How convenient, right? All I can say is thank G-d for the internet because back in the days when we had to wait for the next tv news broadcast or paper to come out on each new development, we would already be several steps behind them with little chance to catch-up... whereas now we are right on their heels!

This allows us a much more clearer perspective on what's really going on...

[SilentFeathers]

FdbmISGIVVo


Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public (http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-mh370-cannot-be-made-publ)

[Roisin]

.......... Why?:faint:

[SilentFeathers]

.......... Why?

It's probably just military reports and things like that.....and perhaps evidence proving "incompetence"!

The multi-billion dollar business called Malaysian Airlines has been in the red for several years, now they're really in need of a bailout, buyout, merger....

It'll be interesting to see who steps in to save this airline company. Regardless, INMARSAT basically gave the Malaysian Gov/Intelligence a break to some degree, the Malaysians can now blame them for the direction the narrative went.

ADDED:

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1370872/ba-advert-euston-station.jpg

[Gardener]

I don't know if this has been posted, yesterday Kerry did an interview with 'abel danger' www.abeldanger.net
The conversation doesn't start until the 30 min mark ish, I am listening now it has interesting information about the non interuptable auto pilot function. I do not know the validity of these people but their credentials seem very feasable.
http://www.livestream.com/projectcamelotlive/video?clipId=pla_72c3f386-ea9f-47b6-88f6-b5dda846acd7

[SilentFeathers]

Hey folk's! a "new credible lead"!!!!!! LOL!

Search area for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 moved almost 700 miles after "credible new lead" (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/search-area-for-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-moved-almost-700-miles-after-credible-new-lead/)

[Ahnung-quay]

The Abel Danger people are pretty credible. If you haven't checked out the link above, you may find some tidbits that you didn't already know.

[Atlas]

This one way trip to Antarctica is the first red flag that made me think that there is probably a coverup. Even a kamikaze on a suicide mission has absolutely no reason to head that way. Why south ?

[panopticon]

Last media release from AMSA for the night.

###

Media Release
28th March, 2014: 11:15 PM (AEDT)

Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 25

Five aircraft spotted multiple objects of various colours during Friday’s search for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

Search activities have now concluded. A total of 256,000 square kilometres was searched.

Photographic imagery of the objects was captured and will be assessed overnight.

The objects cannot be verified or discounted as being from MH370 until they are relocated and recovered by ships.

A Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion reported sighting a number of objects white or light in colour and a fishing buoy.

A Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion relocated the objects detected by the RNZAF Orion and reported it had seen two blue/grey rectangular objects floating in the ocean.

A second RAAF P3 Orion spotted various objects of various colours in a separate part of the search area about 546 kilometres away.

A total of ten planes were tasked by AMSA in today’s search and all have now departed the search area.

AMSA has tasked Chinese Maritime Administration patrol ship, Haixun 01, which is in the search area and will be in a position to relocate the objects on Saturday.

Friday’s search area was shifted north after international air crash investigators in Malaysia provided the latest credible lead available to AMSA.

This was on the advice of the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB).

Weather conditions in the area are expected to be reasonable for searching on Saturday.

Source (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/28032014MH370Media_Update25.pdf)

[SilentFeathers]

This one way trip to Antarctica is the first red flag that made me think that there is probably a coverup. Even a kamikaze on a suicide mission has absolutely no reason to head that way. Why south ?

There's plenty of reasons to make a mad dash for Antarctica!

http://media-1.web.britannica.com/eb-media/10/135410-004-4CDD4102.jpg

[panopticon]

What is the one thing we have definitely learnt from this?

That one of the most remote parts of the Southern Ocean is literally full of rubbish...

Why is there nothing in the news reports about that? :frusty:

-- Pan

[Atlas]

There's plenty of reasons to make a mad dash for Antarctica!

The only way South is Indonesia or Australia, there's nothing else down there. Unless there is a motive we haven't been told about, the South route makes no sense to me.

[SilentFeathers]

There's plenty of reasons to make a mad dash for Antarctica!

The only way South is Indonesia or Australia, there's nothing else down there. Unless there is a motive we haven't been told about, the South route makes no sense to me.

It's about the most impossible place on Earth to retrieve a downed jet or to find a sunken ship.....good location to "disappear" something and or "get rid of" evidence...

[Atlas]

I did not agree with Gen.McInerey about MH370 until now (and still don't) but here is what he says:

Why Did MH370 Pilot Go South? It Just Doesn’t Make Any Sense
nLXQ5hinnAM

[panopticon]

WTF, did that bloke just say what I heard him say?


I want to aire on the national security side. If there was a potential that it could hit US forces, or the United States or Israeli's...

So, the fact that the story is that the jet was off the shore of Australia, a US ally, means nothing. However if it had managed to fly to Israel then he'd have been concerned? And Sepo's wonder why Aussies look funny at 'em sometimes...

-- Pan

[araucaria]

If this assertion about the cloned plane is true, what this is very likely to mean is that the Israelis plan to do something with the identical plane (like crash it into Tel Aviv, 9-11 style) -- and frame the Iranians. They can then attack Iran, with the world behind them.

Here's the rub: FOR THIS TO HAPPEN, it would have to be formally announced that the Southern Ocean debris is NOT the missing plane after all. That leaves the coast clear for the Israelis to roll out their false flag and set up the Iranians as successful hijackers.

So: watch carefully. If the ocean debris is "finally confirmed" (whether correctly or not) as belonging to the missing plane, then this scenario cannot be viable.

But if it IS announced officially (presumably in the next few days, because the search teams are good men and women working extremely hard!) that the debris is NOT the missing plane after all, and therefore there's a back-to-the-drawing-board situation of where-the-hell-IS-it -- then this information may need to be spread far and wide in order to prevent war.
An alternative scenario would be for the plane in Tel Aviv to be taken to pieces for scattering in some remote ocean spot for (mis)identification as wreckage, and then for the hijacked plane to reappear at some stage. Just a thought - I'm not sure this would change anything.

[SilentFeathers]

All I can say at this point is a hell of a lot of mistakes are being made, not just with this event, but with several others too. Turkey may have been aware of "an operation" that would start a radical movement in the Middle East, then heard through the grapevine the operation was aborted, thus why they got reckless and eager to pull a false flag, and getting sloppy and caught in the process.

Too much is going on right now and getting rather quite sloppy in my opinion, thus giving me some concern what plan C may be......they've obviously IMO screwed up Plan A and possibly plan B.....

[superconsciousness]

MH370 stays missing for want of data-sharing among intelligence searchers

DEBKAfile Special Report March 28, 2014, 7:50 PM (IST)

http://debka.com/article/23806/MH370-stays-missing-for-want-of-data-sharing-among-intelligence-searchers

All of a sudden Friday, March 28, the search for the Malaysian airliner still missing after three weeks, switched to a new site, 1,120 kilometers north of a part of the Indian Ocean where the day before 300 objects were hailed as “the most credible items yet.” The explanation for this sudden shift to a new area was that the Boeing 777 was traveling faster than previously estimated, had used up more fuel and had therefore flown a shorter distance into the Indian Ocean. The new information based on the analysis of radar data placed the new “credible search area” between the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca.

So what about the “credible items” found earlier? All the various experts including radar specialists would say was that the new area was more convenient for the search. They regretted the waste of time and resources expended in shifts every few days from place to place.

After the plane went missing on March 8, satellites, planes and ships focused first on the Bay of Thailand, and then the Andaman Sea near India, before looping round to Central Asia and settling briefly on Kazakhstan. They then hared off to a broad patch of Indian Ocean between Australia and Antarctica.

Now they have moved north to a new search area of approximately 319,000 sq. km. which Australia’s investigation agency determines is “the most credible lead to where debris may be located.”

What keeps on driving the search in so many directions?
1. The searchers are groping in the dark. They have still not turned up a single piece of information or material evidence as leads to the location of the Malaysian flight or the cause of its disappearance. Their only guides are speculation about which way the currents in any presumed crash site may have caused the wreckage to drift.
2. Last week, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak, in an attempt to bring this tragic episode to some conclusion, cited data provided by the British Inmarsat’s new technology as evidence that the plane had ended its flight in the Indian Ocean and all 239 aboard were lost.

Radar experts explained that Immarsat picked up “pings” from debris sighted up to 2,000 miles in the sea distant from Perth after 17 days in the water.
Five days after this dramatic discovery, the searchers and the Malaysian authorities appear to have forgotten all about it and are chasing a new theory, that the plane traveled faster and its route was shorter than first estimated.
3. The governments involved in the search, the US, China, India, Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, are using their resources not just to locate the missing Boeing, but for purposes of their own: a) Trials of their innovative intelligence and military technology; b) Checking out the satellite and electronic cyber resources of fellow-agencies engaged in the hunt and c) Discovering the outer limits of their colleagues’ intelligence capabilities and range in one of the most forbidding places on earth.

The lessons these powers are drawing from their own and their rivals’ performance are providing them with a study text on their comparative strengths and weaknesses in the event of potential sea, air or cyber conflicts.
It is worth noting in this regard that neither Russia nor France has volunteered to help Malaysia in the search. France’s contribution would be especially valuable in the light of its experience in the search for the Air France flight which crashed in the Atlantic in 2009 en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris. Neither was prepared to expose its satellite and intelligence resources to the competition.

The fourth week is likely to focus on scouring the sea bed for the black box of MH370. But if nothing substantial crops up yet again, the disappearance of the Malaysian airliner will have to go down as one of the unsolved mysteries of modern aviation.

The only chance of cracking it lies in all the governments taking part in the search setting aside their rivalries, pushing their experts and agents into one room and ordering them to come clean and piece together all the data they have collected. Perhaps then a true picture will finally emerge. But that is not about to happen.

====================

This will drag out until the infamous 'one month to retrieve the black box' passes without anything concrete, then they'll just give up, stating that "it's somewhere in the Indian Ocean...thanks for watching!"

[syrwong]

Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public (http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-mh370-cannot-be-made-publ)

The Malaysian government is feeling very sorry for not being able to tell the families what they know. A statement like this is already quite courageous for an unwilling participant in this grand conspiracy.

[Hervé]

Incompetence? or someone playing with a new toy?


Indian air force Hercules plane crashes during training mission killing all five crew members in central India (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2591822/Indian-air-force-Hercules-plane-crashes-training-mission-killing-five-crew-members-central-India.html)



Cargo plane was one of six bought from Lockheed-Martin three years ago
India's air force chief dismisses suggestion crash was due to pilot error
The country is the world's biggest arms importer


By Damien Gayle (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Damien+Gayle)
PUBLISHED: 18:20 GMT, 28 March 2014 | UPDATED: 18:20 GMT, 28 March 2014

Five Indian airmen died today when their Hercules cargo plane fell out of the sky during a training mission in the heart of the south Asian country.

The C-130J Hercules plane plummeted to the ground near a village in Madhya Pradesh state, 72 miles west of Gwalior air base, sparking an emergency rescue mission.

But when air force personnel, police and firefighters reached the scene they found that all those on board had perished in the crash.

Tragic: Indian villagers crowd around the debris of an Indian air force cargo plane that crashed while on a training mission near the village of Karauli in the central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh today


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It is the latest in a series of accidents that have hit the Indian military, which has embarked on a modernisation programme that has made the country the world's biggest arms importer.

The plane that crashed was one of six C-130J aircraft that India bought from U.S. arms company Lockheed-Martin at a cost of £1.1billion three years ago.

Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha told the Associated Press that the plane had been used in tough situations since then, including rescuing people from floods in the Himalayan foothills and landing in harsh terrain on the border with China.

India also sent two C-130J planes to participate in the search for a Malaysia Airlines plane lost in the southern Indian Ocean. It was not immediately clear if the plane that crashed had been involved in the search.

Marshal Raha, who is head of India's air force, dismissed the possibility that the crash might have been the result of a mistake by a pilot. 'Needless to say, the best pilots have been chosen to fly these aircraft,' he said.

Sameer Patil, a security expert with the Indian Council on Global Relations, a Mumbai-based think tank, said the crash would be a major setback for the Indian air force.

'After years of delay, the fleet is undergoing expansion in critical airlift capabilities. Hence, a loss such as this is particularly worrisome,' said Patil.

India has become the world's biggest arms importer as it pushes to modernize its military and replace its obsolete Soviet-era weapons.

The purchases were also spurred by crashes of almost 55 per cent of its frontline MiG fleet acquired from the former Soviet Union.


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'The best pilots have been chosen to fly these aircraft': Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, head of India's air force, dismissed the possibility that the crash might have been the result of a mistake by a pilot.

The Hercules crash today comes after navy chief Admiral D.K. Joshi resigned last month to take responsibility for a string of accidents at sea.

Days later, a gas leak on a destroyer being built at a Mumbai dockyard killed a navy commander and sickened two workers.

Last August, another Russian-made diesel-powered submarine caught fire after an explosion and sank at port in Mumbai, killing all 18 sailors on board.

In December, the INS Talwar, a Russian-built stealth frigate, slammed into a trawler off India's west coast, sinking the boat and tossing 27 fishermen into the sea. All of the fishermen were rescued.

Another navy frigate ran aground near the Mumbai naval base in January, damaging some equipment. And the INS Airavat, an amphibious warfare vessel, ran aground earlier last month.

With national elections starting in less than two weeks, opponents were quick to attack the government for the accidents, saying it had to investigate if there was any negligence involved.

'This is absolutely a shocking incident,' said Prakash Javadekar, spokesman of the main opposition Bharatiya Janata Party.

'The Hercules is such a sturdy aircraft it doesn't meet with such kind of accidents. The government needs to own responsibility for this state of affairs,' he told reporters.



Well, beside a kitchen sink to throw in as well, me think somebody got their hands on a new toy that could turn that plane into a stealth drone. The kind of technology Henry Deacon/Arthur Neuman was working at putting together for 9-11.

But, this time without most anybody being in on it which would imply the faking + jamming + shutting off of signals from a specific target. Now, who could do that? And, at the same, time making a number of nations' military and civilian organizations look like fools and losing face.... on top of the emotional shock generated by the loss of passengers and crew.

[Rocky_Shorz]

There's plenty of reasons to make a mad dash for Antarctica!

The only way South is Indonesia or Australia, there's nothing else down there. Unless there is a motive we haven't been told about, the South route makes no sense to me.

It's about the most impossible place on Earth to retrieve a downed jet or to find a sunken ship.....good location to "disappear" something and or "get rid of" evidence...

even better for a place to not disappear it and keep the searches going for years, knowing nothing will be found...


did any more info come out on the fire extinguisher tank found in the maldives?

Sorcha's Latest...


A stunning new report prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) circulating in the Kremlin today leaves no doubt as to why President Barack Obama warned this week that his greatest fear was not Russia, but rather a nuclear bomb being exploded in the heart of New York City, as it reveals that the pilot of the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah [photo 2nd left], was a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) “asset” whose plane was carrying the “dirtiest bomb known to have ever been constructed.”

According to this report, and as we had previously reported, Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”

Both Kennedy and Reynolds were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and had long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

The GRU, likewise, had reported that this “highly suspicious” cargo, after it was unloaded from the MV Maersk Alabama, on 17 February, was then transferred to Seychelles International Airport where it was loaded on an Emirates flight bound for Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) in Malaysia, after first stopping over in Dubai.

Prior to Flight 370 entering the People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands after its 8 March departure from KLIA, the GRU had previously reported, it “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to the Diego Garcia atoll.

Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts said, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.

As to why Flight 370 was diverted to Diego Garcia, the GRU reported it was initially “puzzled” about, that is until 16 March when it reported that top disease scientists from both the US and China were flown there, and on 21 March reported that the “highly suspicious” cargo aboard the plane had been transferred to the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico where it was then destroyed in a “massive explosion.”

Important to note, this new GRU report says, is that Diego Garcia has long been a “prime target” for adversaries of the US due to its being the location from where the wars against Iraq and Afghanistan were directed, and its being the one of the CIA’s most feared “black sites” of torture and abuse of prisoners.

Most “gravely concerning” about Flight 370, this new GRU report says, was that its Captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, was discovered to have in his home a flight simulator containing The Flight Termination System (FTS) which allows an aircraft to be remotely controlled, as well as landing instructions for Diego Garcia.

The FTS, the GRU notes, is a fully redundant turn-key range safety and test system for remote control and flight termination of airborne test vehicles that consists of a Command Transmitter System (CTS) and custom control, interface, and monitoring subsystems. The system is fully programmable and is flexible enough to meet the changing requirements of today's modern test ranges, its manufacturer, System Planning Corporation (SPC) says.

Critical to note about the FTS manufacturer SPC, this report says, is that it was once headed by the mysterious American “war hawk” Dov Zakheim who many still believe was one of the masterminds behind the 11 September 2011 attacks upon the US, and who in a 2000 position paper titled Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for “a New Pearl Harbor.”

NOTE: In a document called “Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century” published by The American Enterprise’s “Project for a New American Century”(1), System Planning Corporation (SPC) International executive, Dov Zakheim, called for “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East that would politically and culturally reshape the region. A respected and established voice in the intelligence community, his views were eagerly accepted, and Dov went from his position at Systems Planning Corporation to become the Comptroller of the Pentagon in May 2001. Perhaps not so coincidentally, it was an SPC subsidiary, TRIDATA CORPORATION, that oversaw the investigation after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.

As to Captain Shah’s complicity in the destruction of Flight 370, this report continues, GRU assests have confirmed his being targeted by a CIA “honey trap” which destroyed his marriage and left him in “no state of mind to be flying.”

This GRU report further confirms Malaysian investigators discovery that Captain Shah received a two-minute call shortly before the take-off of Flight 370 from this CIA “honey pot” using a mobile phone number obtained under a false identity.

As to the course of Flight 370 once it left KLIA, the GRU says, it is “nearly assured” that Captain Shah disabled the communication systems and “activated” the FTS allowing the US Navy to divert it to Diego Garcia, but only after it had ascended to nearly 44,000 feet where “undoubtedly” all of the other passengers and crew were killed by asphyxiation.

After the “highly suspicious” cargo Flight 370 was carrying was offloaded in Diego Garcia, GRU analysts in this report say, its “most likely” tragic ending occurred around 3,218 kilometers (2,000 miles) off Diego Garcia, which is part of Britain’s Indian Ocean territory, where it was deliberately destroyed as evidenced by the over 300 objects spotted in this region by a Thai satellite.

As to what exactly the “highly suspicious” cargo aboard Flight 370 was this report doesn’t say, other than to note that due to the extraordinary, and deadly, lengths the US went through to obtain and then destroy it most likely could have been the “dirtiest bomb known to have ever been constructed.”

Also left unanswered in this report is who within the US is responsible for all of these events, as the GRU says it is “highly unlikely” that Obama was even “in the loop” regarding it... link to story (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1758.htm)

[Cidersomerset]

Not much happening on the news front, just saw this article about the the nuclear
summit in the Hague and we are always talking about symbolism within the PTB.
Well either they do not give a toss and are getting brazen ? or they are just taking
the p--- out of us all...LOL

I have not heard much on the news about this event, that has been going on
quietly while the headlines are on the missing plane and Ukraine. Normally
this would be the main story , but until I saw this article I had not seen much
about it on the news channels.


nB7Ab5IXriw

Published on 27 Mar 2014


World leaders at this week's Nuclear Security Summit wore bizarre illuminati pyramid
lapel pins while gathered around a giant eye with a floating holographic pyramid
suspended above.



http://abundantlifeliving.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-27-at-11-34-41-am.png



http://static.prisonplanet.com/slideshow/270314sum.jpg

pyramids and hieroglyphics, note President Obama did not wear a pin.

Are they paying homage to Akhenaten or is that a step pyramid to far ...LOL

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vf6Kw2W7q9Q/T8KTnloUD_I/AAAAAAAAA5g/g1GwBchTyOw/s1600/obama-clone-pharaoh.jpg


Still weird but true. No doubt they will call it a unity jesture or some such spin...

[Fairy Friend]

In my mind what we are talking about are theories, and that includes the “official” version as it is, so far. We all are missing the crucial plane itself which will hopefully tell more. Soon.

While I do not think of myself as a conspiracy theorist to much, planes don't go missing everyday, so yes I was looking to your input, from a conspiracy forum like this. I have missed entire sections on this thread but even so, thoughts naturally change as facts do come in. Theories evolved for everyone. And here, in this case, theories diverge drastically from each other. Is the pilot a hero or a villain? As example.

Many people are trying wholeheartedly to figure out what happened. Just to point out, It takes a long time to go through satellite pictures to identify any objects present at all. A lot of manpower was put into it, if you don't know where to look. Also, it takes 3 sets of data to triangulate position using pinging and this only does approximate where it ended up and the fact of how long the plane was in the air, or at least 7 hours long since the next ping didn't come, we know it didn't go farther. It could have crashed just after that ping or just before the next should have come, giving a guess only. Communicating information and cooperation isn't easy between what 22?29 countries.

I know fuel usage came up in the forum before. Lots of minds putting different data and pieces together. Many countries are cooperating, many people tried and still are. We all know we sometimes do go into dead ends and blind alleys. Or to incompetence and cover-ups.

I have not seen anyones hard work slammed here, so I am glad to see some brainstorming and debating the way forums should go. What cooperation was tried between countries or in this forum, really brilliant, from remote viewing to investigative journalism. To me a big thing. We all hoped to find these people alive and with the story told from them. Many people's hearts are in the right place.

I am surprised, for my thinking is that when 2 cars collide, it is an accident and there should be no paper or money trail before the accident. If this is an accident, then there should be no paper or money trail, yet there are thoughts that say otherwise brought up here. A trail is a trail.

I do have questions of some things talked about here. Were the patent holders on the plane that was mentioned previously? I am confused, it sounds like they were not. If not, where are they? Because now I feel concerned about them. Also, were there 20 employees from that company (Freescale)? If so, I know some talk about technical expertise they had but if it's about money, it could be these people are hostages or leverage over the patent holders. Was that brought up?

I also would like to know, if besides satellites searching and pinging, whether anyone tried to follow the path of the plane? I know that initially there were 2 paths, North and South which meant dividing into 2 directions. It's a different methodology, of follow the path and see where it leads you. Not on a map but I mean physically fly that path. Here we jump from clue to clue all over the place (I mean as far as locating the plane). These methodologies usually do work, so I don't want to slam them. If someone is lost in the desert, no oasis in sight, one person follows the path and never leaves it. Others do jump ahead to where the person maybe going and if clues are found, this refines direction and shortens the time in locating someone who is lost. Called jumping. But sticking to the path is never forgotten, for this does work and also provides clues. Was this done? Does anyone here know?
Should it be done? It might have provided faster clues. If no one has thought of it, remember me, and that it came from here.

I also checked out the media recently, channel surfing. Well I passed over Geraldo, wish I hadn't, want to hear him, haven't in a long while. Instead I tuned into a military expert, clueless who, who starts talking about the missing flight, shifts to terrorism and protecting ourselves from it, to freeing ourselves from foreign energy to allowing oil drilling and fracking???? What? What? What? We went from missing plane to promoting fracking in a very short time span. Crazy. I do not know how to respond.

I await to see where this mystery leads and the truth known. Many many, unanswered questions yet.

[panopticon]

AMSA Update 26 covering new search area, planes/vessels used, objects detected.

On the objects reported as being seen yesterday:


The objects cannot be verified or discounted as being from MH370 until they are relocated and recovered by ships. It is not known how much flotsam, such as from fishing activities, is ordinarily there. At least one distinctive fishing object has been identified.

###

Media Release
29th March, 2014: 11.30am (AEDT)

Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 26

Friday’s search area for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 was shifted north after international air crash investigators in Malaysia updated their previous analysis of the likely aircraft movements.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) assessed this update as credible, and advised AMSA of the new basis for a revised search area.

AMSA then applied the effects of weather and currents to develop today’s search area.

Five aircraft spotted multiple objects of various colours during Friday’s search.

The objects cannot be verified or discounted as being from MH370 until they are relocated and recovered by ships. It is not known how much flotsam, such as from fishing activities, is ordinarily there. At least one distinctive fishing object has been identified.

Today’s weather is expected initially to be suitable for searching but conditions are expected to deteriorate later in the day.

The Chinese Maritime Safety Administration ship Haixun 01 has been on scene for relocating objects from first light.

Search activities today will involve a total of 8 aircraft.

They include three Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese Coast Guard jet, a Japanese P3 Orion, a Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion, a Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, and one civil jet acting as a communications relay.

The first aircraft to depart was the Chinese Ilyushin IL-76, which departed at 9:05am.

The first RAAF P3 Orion departed at 9:50am, with two others scheduled to depart about 12pm and 2pm.

The civil jet is scheduled to depart about 1pm.

The Japan Coast Guard jet is scheduled to depart about 2pm.

The Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion is scheduled to depart about 3pm.

The Japanese P3 Orion is scheduled to depart about 4pm Six ships are expected to reach the search area today, tasked with relocating the objects sighted, but will arrive late in the day or after dark.

* All times are expressed in Australian Eastern Daylight Saving Time (AEDT). Please note all times are approximate.

Source (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/29032014_MediaRelease_Update26.pdf)

[panopticon]

Radar experts explained that Immarsat picked up “pings” from debris sighted up to 2,000 miles in the sea distant from Perth after 17 days in the water.
Five days after this dramatic discovery, the searchers and the Malaysian authorities appear to have forgotten all about it and are chasing a new theory, that the plane traveled faster and its route was shorter than first estimated.


I don't recall a report of pings being detected from debris 2000 miles off-shore 17 days after the disappearance.

Can some one direct me to a report of this?

Maybe the author is referring to the data analysis review 17 days after the disappearance revealing that the original data could be used to indicate a rough radius for narrowing down the search area (but not give an exact location 2000 miles off-shore of Perth!!!).



It is worth noting in this regard that neither Russia nor France has volunteered to help Malaysia in the search. France’s contribution would be especially valuable in the light of its experience in the search for the Air France flight which crashed in the Atlantic in 2009 en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris. Neither was prepared to expose its satellite and intelligence resources to the competition.


The French are assisting Malaysian officials in the search through both satellite imagery (a simple google search verifies that) and expert advice:


Malaysia is also obtaining help from French experts who recovered the black box of Air France Flight 447 after two years, said Mr Hishammuddin, who is also Defence Minister.
Source (http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malaysia-asks-more-help-search-missing-mh370-continues-ministe)

The author of the quoted article is not verifying facts nor are verifiable references or sources given.

-- Pan

[Selene]

Well, well. Well.

Lookie what just showed up on my automated Google News home page: Gordon Duff's Tuesday March 25 piece for Press TV "Flight 370: The CIA Hoax"

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/25/355959/the-cia-hoax-flight-370-revealed/

This is highly significant because it demonstrates unequivocally that our Alt Media stuff is being read and circulated among the erstwhile MSM readers. Google's news page is not human edited, it is automated and computer generated - it automatically displays "most read" stories from a wide spectrum of sources. Gordon Duff emerges; who knew?

I think we of the AltMedia are now making more incursions than we know.

Press on, friends. Keep posting. You are being heard, and we are making a difference.

:cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

Cheers,

Selene

[Agape]

http://static.prisonplanet.com/slideshow/270314sum.jpg

pyramids and hieroglyphics, note President Obama did not wear a pin.

Are they paying homage to Akhenaten or is that a step pyramid to far ...LOL




The bad thing about it is really not the archetypes or sacred geometry .

I feel so silly when I encounter some of these 'conspiracy sites' where people ignorant of the pure and essential meaning slander everything that is connected to sacred arts , religions and harmony
while on the next page they keep 'rediscovering' the 'secrets' from one or another new age guru .

The bad thing about it is that people sit in one circle, under one roof , whether it's pyramid shaped or not, at conferences, at the UN, in governments, in buildings , chairs and maybe costumes that should evoke high ideals and intelligent decisions

but seldom keep to the same ideals when they go 'home' .

The outer beauty and harmony is but dried out shell of times and ideals that our ancestors wanted to preserve , to remind us they were not lesser than we are , in these times and that there's always more to realise in future .

But how many of those present , in these conferences , carry the same high ideals within , full knowledge of the symbols, of the awareness ?
From what I've glimpsed .. it's very few out of hundreds. The rest keep denying it . Even among those so called like-to-be high initiates of various 'illuminati ( read sacred ) orders' very few people understand and live by the wisdom, by their ideals .

Out of topic sorry ...

but the all-pervading lack of ethics and justice is obvious. Truth not practised 'behind the curtain' can not work in parliaments . And I think , I'm not far from truth if I say that it was similar in old Egypt , old Greece and old Mesopotamia and whatever olds ..


:focus:

[superconsciousness]

Still not coming across anything concrete...I mean aluminum...regarding MH370. My vote is still for bottom of the drink. This story annoys me enough that I'd be willing to risk my life to get the real skinny out there, but as a casual observer there is little that can be done other than watch and wait on my end.

[panopticon]

Last media release from AMSA for the day.

Short version: Bits of rubbish seen in ocean from air and ships collected some rubbish, none of which were from a plane. Few more days yet before the black box detector is in the area.

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Media Release
29 March 2014: 2315(AEDT)

Search operation for Malaysia Airlines aircraft: Update 27

Search activities for Saturday have now concluded. Approximately 252,000 square kilometres were searched.

Aircraft in the search area have continued to report sightings of objects similar to those reported on Friday.

A Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76 reported sighting three objects in the search area.

A Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion also reported sighting multiple objects in a different part of the search area.

The objects sighted by aircraft cannot be verified or discounted as being from MH370 until they are relocated and recovered by ships.

The Haixun 01 and HMAS Success reported they have retrieved a number of objects from the ocean but so far no objects confirmed to be related to MH370 have been recovered.

Today’s search activities involved a total of eight aircraft.

They included three Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) P3 Orions, a Japanese Coast Guard jet, a Japanese P3 Orion, a Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion, a Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force Ilyushin IL-76, and one civil jet acting as a communications relay.

HMAS Success, the Chinese Maritime Safety Administration ship Haixun 01, China Rescue and Salvage Bureau ship Nan Hai Jiu, and the Chinese Navy ship Jinggang Shan arrived in the search area today and a further five ships should arrive tomorrow.

The ANZAC class frigate HMAS Toowoomba left Perth earlier tonight and is due to arrive at the search area in about three days.

The weather in the search area was described as reasonable for searching however visibility was reduced to about four kilometres with rain showers.

The search will resume in the morning.

Source (http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/29032014_MediaRelease_Update27.pdf)

[Agape]

Watch the soap opera ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26806924

China-Philippines navy spat captured on camera

Journalists on board a Philippine ship have witnessed Chinese coast guard vessels trying to block access to a disputed shoal in the South China Sea.

One of the Chinese ships radioed to demand the crew turn around, or "take full responsibility" for their actions.

But the Philippine boat, ferrying food to troops stationed on the Second Thomas Shoal, managed to slip past.

The shoal is one of many flashpoints in the area, where several countries have overlapping territorial claims.

Multiple claims
China claims a U-shaped swathe of the sea - creating multiple overlaps with areas claimed by the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan.

Saturday's incident, which took place at Second Thomas Shoal (known as Ayungin in Manila and Ren'ai Reef in Beijing), is a rare glimpse into the tensions that routinely play out in the disputed waters.

Journalists say they saw two Chinese coast guard ships attempt to block the path of the Philippine boat, sending a radio message, in English, warning that it was entering Chinese territory: "We order you to stop immediately, stop all illegal activities and leave."

But instead of leaving, the Philippine boat managed to manoeuvre away and enter waters that were too shallow for the Chinese ships to follow.

The captain of the Philippine vessel, Ferdinand Gato, later told Reuters news agency that if they had not changed direction, they would have collided with one of the Chinese vessels.

Air-drop
Philippine troops are stationed on a beached, rusting military ship on the shoal that analysts say has become a symbol of the country marking its territory.

Two weeks ago, Manila made a formal complaint to Beijing after a similar incident when Chinese vessels succeeded in blocking a resupply mission to the shoal.

Philippine planes resorted to air-dropping food and water supplies for the soldiers stationed on board the marooned ship.

The latest confrontation was witnessed by more than a dozen journalists.

They had been invited by the Philippine military to board the government vessel to show alleged bullying by Chinese vessels in the area.

The Chinese foreign ministry condemned the Philippines for trying to "hype up" the issue, according to a statement quoted by Xinhua news agency.

The ministry accused Manila of trying to "illegally seize" the shoal.

The incident comes a day before the Philippines is due to file a case against China with the UN tribunal in The Hague, challenging its territorial claim to most of the South China Sea.

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[Cidersomerset]

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Flight MH370: 'Sea junk' found during plane search29 March 2014 Last updated at 16:47 GMT

A number of objects retrieved from the Indian Ocean have been examined to
determine if they're from missing flight MH370. One Chinese plane reported
spotting spotted three orange, white and red objects floating in the sea.Some of
the objects seen in the area have been very small, and officials cautioned that they
may be sea junk.

Andy Moore reports.

Read more
Flight MH370: Chinese and Australian ships draw blank

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26804124

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Missing plane: Chinese searchers spot new 'debris'

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Published on 30 Mar 2014


A Chinese air crew searching for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has spotted
new debris in the Indian Ocean.Ships and planes have been scouring a new area,
north-east of the previous zone, for signs of the plane which vanished en route
from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing three weeks ago.Footage showed colourful markers
being dropped on Saturday, so vessels can try to retrieve the items

[Realeyes]

I have just seen halfful's thread here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69948-Amazing--if-proved-true--IBM-ENGINEER-TAKEN-FROM-HIJACKED-FLIGHT-370-SENDS-TEXT

Another twist in this long story........

[Bill Ryan]

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Now, here's the real story. :)

From http://whoneedslight.net





We want you to know that all the passengers are safe. They were given the opportunity to either ascend immediately or to remain with the Galactics. Some chose immediate ascension (without going through the death process) while others, about 75%, chose to continue in their own bodies. After a sojourn in Hollow Earth, they are now in Venus experiencing renewal in the light chambers. Those who wish to return to Earth will come with the mentors after Disclosure. They will help their families and friends to understand the ascension process and will tell the world of their adventures.

No wonder the global controllers feel there isn't much for them to worry about.

[Wookie]

The NSA and other snoops have people of interest. If a handful of said people end up on the same flight, say MH370, would that plane become a target of opportunity? Casualties of war and all that. How hard would it be for a spook group to arrange for people of interest to all end up in the same place at the same time? IMO we need to find out if there was any penguins on board and then start a search in Madagascar.
sorry if its too soon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5USLvy_9fcM

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[gripreaper]

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We want you to know that all the passengers are safe. They were given the opportunity to either ascend immediately or to remain with the Galactics. Some chose immediate ascension (without going through the death process) while others, about 75%, chose to continue in their own bodies. After a sojourn in Hollow Earth, they are now in Venus experiencing renewal in the light chambers. Those who wish to return to Earth will come with the mentors after Disclosure. They will help their families and friends to understand the ascension process and will tell the world of their adventures.
No wonder the global controllers feel there isn't much for them to worry about.

Well, according to her bio, Dr Kathryn was asked by spirit to be the official "Voice of Mother/Father God." In addition, Jesus/Sananda has recently requested that Dr. Kathryn act as his scribe for The New Scriptures which are replacements for Jesus' earlier messages which, over time, became adulterated.

So, stay tuned. Mother/Father God will be speaking through her and bringing forth the new scriptures, and that's not all! You can join her in Puerto Rico for her healing and ascension tour, but you better hurry. The tour is the first week in April and positions are filling up fast and, of course, are limited! Hurry!!!! :rolleyes:

But, there's more! According to COBRA:


As of March 8th, 2014, only one last layer of etheric Archons and their exotic etheric weaponry remains. The vast majority of etheric Reptilians are gone, most of their technologies are gone, there is mainly a small group of crazy Archons with their exotic etheric weapons. Whether they have strangelet bombs or something else is unclear as that intel is still withheld for security reasons. This is the only factor remaining which prevents the Event right now. How long will this layer last is also unclear for the same reasons.

On the physical plane, everything is ready for the Event. There is also a vast fleet of Confederation ships surrounding the Earth. There are about 5 billion cloaked physical ships positioned in the LEO region: In addition to that, there are about 120 million cloaked physical Confederation ships in the region between the Karman line

http://2012portal.blogspot.com/

So, it looks like the Galactic Confederation and the resistance movement has come to the rescue and has taken out all of the Archon's except for one layer, in preparation for the "event" which will be soon! Look at all the ships in the area!


Since 1999, the Ascended Masters, the Galactic Confederation and the Resistance Movement are actively removing layers upon layers of exotic etheric technologies from quarantine Earth. Each time one layer is removed, the Ascended Master receive intel about the next layer from the Source. Then Confederation and Resistance personnel removes that next etheric layer. This process was ongoing in the same way until a few weeks ago when a drastic breakthrough was made.

So, I've stopped worrying. Looks like things are being taken care of and I can go back to watching dancing with the stars. :)

[magicmanx]

?????? follow the link

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/
BLOCKBUSTER: THIS IS ACCURATE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT: HIJACKED IBM ENGINEER SUCCESSFULLY DIALED OUT OF DIEGO GARCIA
RUSH UPDATE: The story below is NOW CONFIRMED 100 PERCENT TRUE.
The blindfold:
The man claimed to be blindfolded when he sent the message. When the American military blindfolds someone, it is accomplished by putting a bag over the head that is locked so you can't get it off. This left the engineers hands free. This would have made it possible for him to pull his Iphone 5 (a fact confirmed by the Exif data) out of his butt as stated, and use the voice command ability of the Iphone to just talk to it to log in and post the message. This explains why he sent a black photo, he could not see what he was sending, he just knew he snapped a photo and sent whatever got taken.
The coordinates:When the coordinates are added to the fact that the photo's exif data does not match the Google coordinates or any other coordinates for Diego Garcia that are posted online, but is still within the boundaries of Diego Garcia, it proves that no one just pulled those coordinates off the web. It helps confirm that this was not just a hoax because the coordinates are exact to wherever on Diego Garcia the Iphone was when it took the photo.
ORIGINAL POST FOLLOWS:
IBM ENGINEER TAKEN FROM HIJACKED FLIGHT 370 GOT A SELFIE OUT TO THE INTERNET.
This image, which appears black was posted as taken in a dark cell by an IBM engineer. The picture malfunctioned because the cell was too dark, but a critical piece of information was embedded in the Exif data, the coordinates to Diego Garcia, where the picture was taken. And it's real, this is NOT a hoax. The coordinates in the picture indicate that the photo was taken within 3 miles of what Google officially gives for Diego Garcia. It is NOT EXACTLY what comes up on Google. It is off a couple miles, so NO ONE GOOGLED THIS, thus helping to confirm it's authenticity. I don't know how big the island is, but if it has a runway, that certainly fits.
The picture posted with the following text: "I have been held hostage by unknown military personal after my flight was hijacked (blindfolded). I work for IBM and I have managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack. I have been separated from the rest of the passengers and I am in a cell. My name is Philip Wood. I think I have been drugged as well and cannot think clearly."
ASTEROID IMPACT LEVEL UPDATE:
MY COMMENT: For what it's worth, the Exif is intact. Exif data gets embedded in every image by every camera and includes the circumstances under which the photo was taken. It can be viewed by saving the image to the left to your desktop, and then right clicking it and selecting image properties. Hit the details tab. You can see that the image was taken on March 18 with an Iphone 5, with the ISO at 3200 and a shutter of 1/15. It states no flash was used, which is the only oddity here. But the coordinates are included in the exif data because the Iphone knows where it is, and the coordinates are for Diego Garcia.
Obviously I cannot confirm this 100 percent as real, but I do know that exif can't be rewritten with common software, it can only be added to with some applications and that photos with the exif intact will hold up in court. If the Exif is hacked and this is not real, the CIA or a really good hacker did this, which I doubt, I'd say it's probably real.
Surrounding this story is the fact that the man who managed to get this information to Farganne was harassed and received many threatening voice mails over it, that is another piece of evidence pointing to this as being real. One thing is certain, once it's posted here on this site the genie is OUT OF THE BOTTLE. I cannot stress how important it is that the GPS coordinates in the photo do not perfectly match what Google says, because it proves that the source of those coordinates did not come from google, they really did come from the imaging device.

[Selene]

Already debunked here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69948-Amazing--if-proved-true--IBM-ENGINEER-TAKEN-FROM-HIJACKED-FLIGHT-370-SENDS-TEXT

EXIF data can be easily faked. Members on the other thread have already done so.

Cheers,

Selene

[Atlas]

From http://beforeitsnews.com/travel/2014/03/mh370-passenger-left-help-message-on-internet-saying-plane-was-hijacked-2462082.html:




So the guy shoves a phone between his cheeks, has an opportunity to call family, authorities, friends… Yet chooses to jump online and post on a site called ‘Politically Incorrect’?

[Atlas]

The daughter of MH370's Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah has said she will not forgive British tabloid the Daily Mail for "making up stories" that implied her father could be responsible for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

"Dear Daily Mail, you should consider making movies since you are so good at making up stories and scripts out of thin air... May God have mercy on your souls. You can bet your a** I will not forgive you," she said in her post.

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/03/31/zahari.ashx
(Faizah Khanum, Aishah Zaharie and Capt Zaharie)

Dr Mohammad Ghouse Noor, a close friend of Zaharie said that the tabloid was spreading lies and that their report was slanderous. Dr Ghouse, moderator of the "Friends of Captain Zaharie MH370" Facebook page said he had spoken to a very close member of Zaharie's family, including Zaharie's son, who has strongly condemned the report.

"It's a total lie, where do they get this story from? That's not true at all. I call upon all of you to rally together in solidarity to strongly condemn this kind of reporting, we must oppose strongly to this kind of nonsense.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/31/MH370-crash-Zaharies-family-and-friends-hit-back-at-British-tabloid-report/
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Malaysian Pilots Association president Captain Abdul Manan Mansor today denied a report by Daily Mail online allegedly quoting him saying that the missing MH370 pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was "psychologically unstable" after a marriage break up.

Abdul Manan not only denied claiming Zaharie was mentally unstable, he also clarified that he has never spoken to Daily Mail "I didn't speak to Daily Mail, I didn't say that Zaharie was psychologically unstable. You can disregard the entire article," he said.

The Malaysia Aviation Management College chief executive asserted that he did not know Zaharie personally and would not have known of any marital problems he might or might not have had. "I don't know Zaharie personally, there are so many pilots registered in Malaysia, it is not unusual for some of us to not cross paths," he said, adding that he also did not know Zaharie's wife or children.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-mh370-lost-in-indian-ocean-font-capt-denies-daily-mail-report-1.541671

[Atlas]

James Chau interviews Malaysian Minister Hishammuddin:

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MH370 PRESS BRIEFING BY HISHAMMUDDIN HUSSEIN, MINISTER OF DEFENCE AND ACTING MINISTER OF TRANSPORT
31 MARCH 2014, 5:30PM

Introductory statement

Before I begin today’s briefing, I would like to reiterate what Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbot said this morning. The international co-operation underway in the search for MH370 is nothing short of tremendous. The militaries of Malaysia, Australia, the United States, New Zealand, China, Japan and Korea are all working to find the missing plane.

I should also like to point out that Indonesia has given clearance for 94 sorties - by aircraft from nine different countries - to fly in their airspace, as part of this search. As Prime Minister Abbot said, it is heartening to see so many different countries working together for a humanitarian cause; to resolve this extraordinary mystery; and to bring closure for the families of those on board.

Prime Minister’s trip to Perth

This morning, the Prime Minister spoke with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbot. Prime Minister Abbot gave a full update on the status of the search operations, headed out of Perth.

Our Prime Minister has decided to travel to Perth on Wednesday for a working visit to Pearce Air force base, to see the operations first hand and also to thank the personnel involved in the multinational search effort, including the Malaysian personnel.

Operational update

This afternoon, the Australian High Commissioner to Malaysia briefed me on the creation of a new, Joint Agency Co-ordination Centre (JACC), which will be based out of Pearce Air force base in Perth. The JACC will be headed by Air Chief Marshal (ret.) Angus Houston, the former Chief of the Defense Force Australia.

The JACC will co-ordinate operations between all Australian government agencies and international search teams. As per the information that we have received from the Australian authorities, the area of search today is 254,000 square kilometres.
Today, nine military aircraft and one civilian aircraft travelled to the search area.

These planes were:

• two Malaysian C-130.
• one Chinese Ilyushin IL-76.
• one Japanese Coast Guard G5.
• one Australian P3 Orion.
• one New Zealand P3 Orion.
• one New Zealand civilian aircraft.
• one American P8 Poseidon.
• one Japanese P3 Orion.
• one Korean P3 Orion.

Today eleven ships were also deployed to the search area:

• Eight Chinese ships:
- the Xue Long,
- the Kunlunshan,
- the Haikou,
- the Qiandaohu Jian,
- the Jing Gang Shan,
- the Haixun,
- the Dong Hai Jian,
- and the Nan Hai Jian.

• Three Australian ships:
- the HMAS Success,
- the HMAS Toowoomba
- and MV Barkley Pearl, which is currently transiting in the search area.

The Malaysian ship, the KD Lekiu, is expected to arrive in the search area on 3 April. The ADV Ocean Shield - fitted with the towed pinger locator and a Bluefin 21 autonomous underwater vehicle - is due to arrive in the search area on 3 April.

In terms of the sightings of potential objects

On Saturday, five objects were retrieved by HMAS Success and the Haixun. However, it was found that none of these objects were related to MH370.
On Sunday, an Australian P3 Orion made visual sightings of seven potential objects. A Korean P3 Orion also made visuals of three potential objects.
The Chinese ship, the Haixun, was tasked on Monday to retrieve these potential objects.

ASEAN Defence Ministers’ meeting

In my capacity as Malaysian Defence Minister, I will leave tonight for the United States Pacific Command in Hawaii. I will attend the ASEAN Defence Ministers’ meeting, which will be held from 1st to the 3rd of April. The meeting is being convened by US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.

On behalf of the Malaysian Government, I will share with my ASEAN counterparts, and the Government of the United States, the latest developments regarding the search for MH370. I will convey to our ASEAN neighbours and the United States, Malaysia’s utmost appreciation for their invaluable help in the multi-national search effort.

I will also use this opportunity to discuss the possibility of deploying more specific military assets, in the event that we need to embark on a more complex phase of the operation. I shall be discussing with the United States, and our other friends and allies, how best we can acquire the assets needed for possible deep sea search and recovery.

Meeting with the Indonesian Special Envoy

Today, I held a meeting with the Indonesian Special Envoy and Special Advisor to the Foreign Minister, Madam Wiwiek Setyawati Firman, and her delegation. The delegation included H.E. Mr. Herman Prayitno, the Ambassador of Indonesia to Malaysia.

The Special Envoy expressed her heartfelt gratitude to the Government of Malaysia and the multinational team conducting the search operation. The Special Envoy also stated that Indonesia fully understands the complexity and the magnitude of the challenge ahead, and reaffirms its unshakeable support for Malaysia.

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Mrs. Wiwiek Setyawati Firman, Special Envoy of the Gov't of Indonesia.

Next of Kin

Yesterday a group of families, whose loved ones were on board MH370, arrived in Kuala Lumpur from Beijing. The Government is due to hold a high-level briefing soon for these families, to update them on the latest developments regarding the search for MH370. The briefing will include international experts who were not available during the briefings in Beijing, including experts from China. It will also be broadcasted live to other families in Beijing.

The search for MH370 continues to be a large, complex, multinational effort involving many countries and international agencies. Much of the research that has been used to track MH370 has been provided to the Malaysian investigators by our international partners. This research is extremely complicated, involving teams of highly specialised experts, many of whom are based in different countries around the world.

The briefing will provide an opportunity for the families to hear directly from some of these experts. The experts will be able to explain the research, the data and the methodology that has informed the search operation.

Concluding remarks

We understand that it has been a difficult time for all the families. And we appreciate that many families want to see physical evidence before they will accept that MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.

We find ourselves in a difficult position. I repeat: the question that the families principally want answered, is the question we simply do not have the answer to - namely, where their loved ones are, and where is MH370.

On Saturday I met with the Malaysian and Chinese families based in Kuala Lumpur. It was the most difficult meeting I’ve ever attended. The families are heartbroken. For many, the strain of the past few weeks has been unbearable. But the one message they delivered to me again and again is not to give up hope.

And I promised the families that Malaysia, working with our international partners, will not give up hope. We will continue with all our efforts to find MH370. This is a promise that Malaysia intends to keep. We will continue searching, and we will keep investigating, and we will never give up until we find out what happened to MH370.

-ENDS-

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[Atlas]

Australian Maritime Safety Authority confirms the objects ‘have nothing to do with the missing flight’ (http://m.todayonline.com/widgets/widgets/world/asia/mh370-objects-seen-jet-search-are-fishing-equipment)

A cluster of orange objects spotted by a search plane hunting for any trace of the missing Malaysia Airlines jet turned out to be nothing more than fishing equipment, Australian officials said today (March 31).

The crew of an Australian P-3 Orion search plane spotted at least four orange objects that were more than 2m in size yesterday, and the pilot, Flight Lieutenant Russell Adams, dubbed the sighting their most promising lead in the search for Flight 370. But today, Ms Jesse Platts, a spokesman for the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, said the objects had been analysed and officials had confirmed “they have nothing to do with the missing flight”.

[Cidersomerset]

Ion still says the plane is in a parallel world and the authorities
have been desperately covering it up. I'm going thru satpm/sun am
show 29/3/14......

aprox 11 mins in, a brief question and answer about the
plane......Who know ? I'll post it as I've just heard it.

http://achieveradio.com/archDL.php?ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/media2/PAYDAY/2014-03-29--2300---PAYDAY.mp3


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As per # 535 The plane landed in Hanoi in a parallel world, there was a temporal
shift the seismic activity around Phuket ? , was a little more significant than
reported near to where the plane went first , this created a temporal convergence
to another dimension.....

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSED3UMJaCyDIokY-iBzKAjnKyU99--s40Cn4jwzJVn9XM7LSXa

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=810246&viewfull=1#post810246

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#98 on this thread first mentioned by Ion....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=807290&viewfull=1#post807290

[Cidersomerset]

Plane taken not crashed ?? Thought provoking interview with partner of Philip Wood



'Governments are intentionally misleading us' on Malaysia plane - BBC News

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BBC News

Published on 28 Mar 2014


In a powerful interview the partner of Philip Wood, a passenger on #MH370,
said the search for the flight 'feels like an intentional series of distractions'.
Sarah Bajc wants the authorities to withdraw the original statement about
the flight being down due to 'new evidence'.

[Gardener]

She sounds very together, a rational interview which contains what many here consider the likely outcome of this disappearance. Nothing adds up to a crash. In particular the likely intentional interuption of communication and radar transmission.

This group of engineers she speaks of are at the cutting edge of some high end exotic technology, and I am fairly convinced there was something 'onboard' which could be described as exotic and maybe also not fully understood even by those who were in charge and possesion of it.

Cider' I am reasonably convinced now that ION is correct, and it may have been removed hyperdimensionally, whatever that might entail, for the safety and well being of universal law. I know this sounds too woo woo for words, but there we are.

[Flash]

Here a plea to everyone on Avalon. This plane disappearance has been one of the most obvious information hiding and retaining that officials have made up to now.

And we know that PTB tactics is to have the information spread all over so that it does not make sense unless you research a lot and to slide in false information as well, so that we get fed up and disinterested, as good cattle with little attention span we have.

right now there is 3-4 threads going on on the same topic, the angles barely different. We are starting to spread information. I have been running from thread to thread to follow the story while up to now I was glad to land here, because I could see the truth versus the lies spread around.

It has nothing to do with my thread versus someone else's, I could no care less - the proof being that i did not take care of this thread because information was always added up at the same place. However, I do not like running around and having everythign at the same place may make sense here - from highly technical information to gossips, so that we see through.

So this is a plea, can we keep it together at one place, this story is far from finished and we may help resolve the case in some unsuspected ways if we keep it togehter. BEAT THE PTB TACTICS.

Thank
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Cidersumerset, this video of your above is an incredible find, really worht listen. And we have to keep posting these information they cannot controlled.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I agree, I just saw a thread started on the 15th that I didn't know was on Avalon...

we are juggling 8-12 major events right now, and it would be greatly helpful to keep events all part of the same thread...

otherwise we need multiple posts of the same information to share it with readers


over the last few years, Avalon has been tested, attacked by every direction, multiple governments along with Cabal black ops attacks...

it was quite the roller coaster, but now they have left us quiet as their plans are moving forward, the world is now under attack.

We should get a thread running to keep track of players involved, from top bankers and oil men, to US military personnel in charge of mind control and propaganda.

I've had a few psychic probes come at me, but I hack back and look to see who is involved with those doing the attack...

I have faces and now matching pictures to who I've seen, quietly creating a database of shame...

each time I step across to someone new, I find a whole group behind them, how deep does this go?

what are the chances that everyone involved in the disappearance have been kept silent...

multiple countries, multiple agencies, all quietly covering for each other...

is it really going to take someone on their death bed to share their secret on what really happened?

with all the spins out there, will anyone believe when the real truth comes out?

[Flash]

I had comments my post above was not clear, so here is the clarification:

whatt i am saying is that when information in concentrated in one place, we can see the logic or illogic in it and see the mistakes of PTB. When it is all spread out, we cannot see anymore and disinformation is having a greater impact. Lets beat the PTB by keeping info centralised.

[Bill Ryan]

I had comments my post above was not clear, so here is the clarification:

what I am saying is that when information in concentrated in one place, we can see the logic or illogic in it and see the mistakes of PTB. When it is all spread out, we cannot see anymore and disinformation is having a greater impact. Lets beat the PTB by keeping info centralised.



I think that's a very bright observation... I've put it to the other mods for their consideration. Personally, I have no objection to merging the various MH370 threads.

[Roisin]

The following update IS NOT A JOKE:

The last words transmitted from missing Malaysia Airlines plane were actually ‘Good night, Malaysian three seven zero’ not "all right, good night".

:faint:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/last-words-transmitted-from-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-were-actually-good-night-malaysian-three-seven-zero/story-fniztvne-1226869250467

Next they'll be telling us that that airliner never left the airport in the first place on March 8th and is still parked on the tarmac!

[Selene]

I dunno. At this stage it seems that hardly a single point in the 'official' narrative remains unchanged.

The odd bit of panicked incompetence is one thing, but this.....? What's left here that's still solid information?

And yes, please, let's pull some of those other related threads into this one to centralize our data base.

Cheers,

Selene

[panopticon]

The following update IS NOT A JOKE:

The last words transmitted from missing Malaysia Airlines plane were actually ‘Good night, Malaysian three seven zero’ not "all right, good night".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/last-words-transmitted-from-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-were-actually-good-night-malaysian-three-seven-zero/story-fniztvne-1226869250467

Next they'll be telling us that that airliner never left the airport in the first place on March 8th and is still parked on the tarmac!

When I heard that earlier today on the wireless I just shook my head.

I've done a quick search and the report appears to have originated from a video report by CCTV's James Chau (https://twitter.com/jameschau).

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Below is the earliest report I've found that refer's to Chau's CCTV broadcast.

So, appears that maybe the Chinese & Malaysian officials are going back through the material and finding information which was reported as accurate but in hindsight isn't. Interesting that the official story has been re-written so many times and now we are at a story that doesn't involve pilot co-operation.

If I was more jaded I'd say the first official story "didn't take" in the popular imagination quick enough to take control of public sentiment. Now the Malaysian/Chinese etc officials are actually dissecting what they have to see what is true and what was, umm, planted... Surely not!

Oh and I agree that there should an effort made to keep relevant information in one place. I know it could dilute a thread with inconsequential side chatter but in that instance the mods usually create a thread for that purpose. Yeah, might be a bit of work initially for mods judging/removing non-relevant posts but the benefit of having everything in one place would be great for historical reference. I found it very frustrating during the Japanese Earthquake/Tsunami/Fukushima Nuclear accident that there were so many threads started all over the shop saying almost the same thing. To review the material now requires looking in all the different threads for information that may not have been reported in another thread. Anyway, that's my thoughts.

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Now ‘Good night, Malaysian 370’ last words from missing plane (http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/now-good-night-malaysian-370-last-words-from-missing-plane)
March 31, 2014

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A woman looks at messages of support left for family members and passengers onboard the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) in Sepang, outside Kuala Lumpur March 18, 2014. — Reuters pic

KUALA LUMPUR, March 31 — The phrase “Alright, good night” attributed to co-pliot Fariq Ab Hamid, as the last words from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, was one he never said.

Instead, a report by China-owned news outlet CCTV revealed that the actual words used were “Good night, Malaysian 370”.

The revelation is another in a series of apparent contradictions emanating from investigators looking into the case of MH370, who have drawn repeated criticisms for the questionable accuracy of the information provided.

“The last words are particularly significant because it lessens the probability that either the pilot or co-pilot were involved in the ‘deliberate act’ of steering the plane in the westerly direction (away from its planned route,” CCTV reporter James Chau said in the video report.

Chau, who said he has documented proof and independent corroboration of the actual phrase used, noted that it was a standard greeting used in aviation compared to the more ominous “Alright, good night”.

The CCTV anchor added that the new information was indicative of Malaysia’s commitment to comb through existing evidence once more in light of the disappearance of the Boeing 777-200ER that went missing on March 8 with 239 people on board.

Chau also said the documents he obtained dovetailed with Malaysian authorities’ disavowal of previously released transcripts purportedly on the final communications from the aircraft.

“Facts” surrounding the final known moments of the MH370 have been disputed as quickly as they have surfaced, adding to the confusion in the “unprecedented” aviation mystery.

A previous declaration by authorities that the plane’s Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) was disabled prior to the final radio contact between the co-pilot and ground controllers led to added suspicion falling on the aviator.

But MAS group chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya subsequently clarified that it was not known if the aircraft performance monitoring system was deactivated before or after the radio transmission, only that it was disabled before it could reconnect at the scheduled time.

On March 15, Malaysia announced that MH370 was deliberately taken off course on the day it disappeared, and that investigations were now focused on the 12 crew members and 227 passengers on board.

While the two pilots have borne the brunt of public suspicion, investigators have not uncovered any evidence to suggest foul play on the part of either man or anyone else on board.

The search effort is now concentrated in a section of the Indian Ocean west of Perth in Western Australia where satellite images have spotted pieces of debris possibly from MH370, although recovery could still take years even if it is established that the plane went down at that location.

Source (http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/now-good-night-malaysian-370-last-words-from-missing-plane)

[Atlas]

MH370 PRESS STATEMENT BY MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT, MALAYSIA
MONDAY, 31 MARCH 2014

The Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) would like to refer to questions raised during the press conference by the Acting Transport Minister Dato' Seri Hishammuddin Hussein this evening with regards to the last communications between the cockpit and the air traffic controller.

We would like to confirm that the last conversation in the transcript between the air traffic controller and the cockpit is at 0119 (Malaysian Time) and is "Good night Malaysian three seven zero".

The authorities are still doing forensic investigation to determine whether those last words from the cockpit were by the pilot or the co-pilot.

The minister has instructed the investigating team to release the full transcript which will be made available during the briefing to the Next of Kin.

Ends.

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Now the only way they are going to clarify this is by releasing an audio file of the last words...

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Will Subang ATC now reveal initial response when MH370 went missing? (http://blog.limkitsiang.com/2014/04/01/will-subang-atc-now-reveal-initial-response-when-mh370-went-missing)

Aviation industry experts now want Malaysia’s air traffic controllers to reveal their response when flight MH370 vanished early March 8, after the authorities finally said last night that the plane’s pilots said “Good night Malaysian three seven zero” and not “All right, good night”.

“Subang air traffic control (ATC) has not said what it did when the plane vanished after it signed off from Malaysian airspace. Did they launch an immediate search and rescue? If the lack of military response is anything, it raises a lot of questions about the ATC’s standard operating procedure (SOP),” an aviation expert told The Malaysian Insider, citing International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) regulations require immediate alerts to relevant search and rescue units.

The Malaysian Insider reported on Friday that aviation industry officials were still not clear what the Subang ATC did when it found out the passenger jet had gone missing.

“It is not clear what the ATC did. We know MAS knew the plane was missing but did the military know? In fact, did other ATCs in the region know that MH370 was missing? They could have tracked it if they received early information,” an aviation industry official told The Malaysian Insider.

[panopticon]

Just as a bit of information regarding the RAN Base on Garden Island, Perth WA, near where the current search is under way.

This is the site of the Royal Australian Navy's Fleet Base West (AKA HMAS Stirling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMAS_Stirling)) which is the main Navy port on the Western sea board at Garden Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_Island_(Western_Australia)). HMAS Stirling is the home port of the RAN Submarine Service's submarine fleet (Collin's class vessels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins_class_submarine): max dive depth 180 metres).

Just a bit of trivia for all those non-Western Australians out there. :)

[panopticon]

Here's another report from James Chau from the other day in which he says, amongst other things, that sources have informed him that the lost material from the pilot's flight simulator has been recovered and not indicated his (the pilots) involvement. In addition the 2 Iranian men travelling on stolen passports do not appear to have been involved and there is no indication in audio recordings of the co-/pilot sign-off that they were under stress. Below that is Chau's interview with Hussein in which Hussein admits that there is information that is not being released.

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-- Pan

[Atlas]

http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2014/03/24/understanding-the-satellite-ping-conclusion/

What was not stated initially by Inmarsat or the investigators was that each of the hourly arcs is further away from the satellite than the previous one. In other words the plane was moving away from the satellite continuously from sometime soon after the 2.11am ping.

http://tmfassociates.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/WaPo-ping-arcs.jpg

[mosquito]

I've been trying to remain non-critical of the Malaysians because they DO have a pretty tough job on their hands. But when I read this latest update (elsewhere) ....


The following update IS NOT A JOKE:

The last words transmitted from missing Malaysia Airlines plane were actually ‘Good night, Malaysian three seven zero’ not "all right, good night".


.. I can lo longer deny the stench of fish. I mean ... How bloody difficult is it to get that simple piece of information right ? If they get that so hopelessly wrong, what CAN we believe ?

Maybe the problem is that the original story was based on a translation from Mandarin to English (a dodgy process at the best of times) which was completely unnecessary as ATC/cockpit communications are in English.

I can't get the word "farce" out of my mind for some reason.

[ThePythonicCow]

As an aside, having worked in the military for four years, I find nothing ominous about the alleged sign off of "Good night, Malaysian three seven zero". Perhaps others more familiar with actual commercial pilot radio transmissions can speak more accurately, but I can well imagine that such a pilot would routinely, automatically, without conscious thought, end some of his radio transmissions with his flight number. I don't "hear" this as some sort of terse way of saying that flight 370 will be terminated with extreme prejudice. It "sounds" to me as simply a "say your message, say your flight number, go quiet" routine practice.

(Of course, what was actually said, and the extraordinary difficulty authorities are having in getting even these trivially verifiable facts straight -- yeah -- stinks like a basket of dead fish.)

[panopticon]

As an aside, having worked in the military for four years, I find nothing ominous about the alleged sign off of "Good night, Malaysian three seven zero". Perhaps others more familiar with actual commercial pilot radio transmissions can speak more accurately, but I can well imagine that such a pilot would routinely, automatically, without conscious thought, end some of his radio transmissions with his flight number. I don't "hear" this as some sort of terse way of saying that flight 370 will be terminated with extreme prejudice. It "sounds" to me as simply a "say your message, say your flight number, go quiet" routine practice.

(Of course, what was actually said, and the extraordinary difficulty authorities are having in getting even these trivially verifiable facts straight -- yeah -- stinks like a basket of dead fish.)

That's exactly what has been said over here in Oz.

There appears to be nothing unusual about a commercial airline pilot saying "Good night, Malaysian three seven zero". This is the usual sign-off when moving between air traffic control zones evidently. There was much reported about the sign-off that was originally reported (ie "all right, good night") because that evidently isn't protocol and would have been unusual and possibly a sign of distress.

So, we see the story being re-written again and now the pilots seem to have been removed from the frame.

-- Pan

[mosquito]

.. Perhaps others more familiar with actual commercial pilot radio transmissions can speak more accurately, but I can well imagine that such a pilot would routinely, automatically, without conscious thought, end some of his radio transmissions with his flight number.

In the good ole days (pre-9/11) I was able to sit in on 2 landings and can confirm that it's actually standard protocol for the pilot to state the flight number at the end of message.

Any commercial pilots reading this will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong (for which I'll apologise in advance)

[superconsciousness]

Regarding the whole situation...:

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[Gardener]

Its my understanding that in all radio communication you identify your call sign. In this case M360.
The 'alright goodnight' was not identifying.

[Gardener]

Pardon my ignorance but from the position of the satelite, the plane would be moving closer to the satelite if it took the route towards the Indian ocean. Clearly I am not undestanding something fundamental, but the last and latest handshake as it moved away from the satelite would be as it headed in northern arc towards Khazastan.

http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2014/03/24/understanding-the-satellite-ping-conclusion/

What was not stated initially by Inmarsat or the investigators was that each of the hourly arcs is further away from the satellite than the previous one. In other words the plane was moving away from the satellite continuously from sometime soon after the 2.11am ping.

http://tmfassociates.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/WaPo-ping-arcs.jpg

[panopticon]

Missing Malaysia Airlines jet: Malaysia releases MH370 transcript (www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-malaysia-releases-mh370-transcript-20140401-zqpgu.html)
AFP. April 1, 2014 - 9:43PM

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The shadow of a Royal New Zealand Air Force P3 Orion can be seen on low-level clouds as it flies over the southern Indian Ocean looking for missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370. Photo: Reuters

* Full transcript of communications between MH370 pilots and air traffic control (http://images.smh.com.au/file/2014/04/01/5314322/Audio%2520Transcript_MH370%2520Pilot-ATC_BIT.pdf?rand=1396347156841)

Malaysian authorities on Tuesday released the full transcript of communications between the pilots of missing Flight MH370 and air traffic controllers, saying the exchanges showed nothing unusual.

"There is no indication of anything abnormal in the transcript," a statement by Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said.

The 43 separate transmissions over nearly 54 minutes are thick with air-traffic and navigational jargon and give no hint of trouble aboard the ill-fated plane, which disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8 with 239 people aboard.

The transcript concludes with Malaysian air traffic control first bidding MH370 "good night", as it instructs the pilots next to contact controllers in Vietnam, over which the plane was due to fly.

The final entry from just after 1:19 am comes from one of the two MH370 pilots, who says "good night, Malaysian three seven zero".

The plane disappeared from radar shortly after and is yet to be found, though Malaysia now believes it was deliberately diverted and flew on for hours to the Indian Ocean, where it is presumed to have crashed.

The transcript - and particularly the final words from MH370 - have been the subject of much speculation following earlier statements by authorities and the airline that the last transmission from the plane was a casual "All right, good night".

That apparent non-standard sign-off fuelled speculation that one of the pilots - either Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, or First Officer Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27 - diverted the plane on purpose.

Under pressure to clarify the matter, the government corrected the final words late on Monday but until now had not released a full transcript.

Tuesday's statement said the transcript was "initially held as part of the police investigation", but gave no other reason for the delay.

Malaysia Airlines had said previously that the last words were believed uttered by First Officer Fariq, but the statement said the ongoing investigation was yet to confirm that.

Source (http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-malaysia-releases-mh370-transcript-20140401-zqpgu.html)

[Cidersomerset]

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Flight 370 reality check: A Boeing 777 doesn’t disappear unless governments want it to disappear

Tuesday 1st April 2014 at 04:45 By David Icke

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‘As the conventional news coverage of Flight 370 becomes increasingly delusional
and detached from reality, for the sake of all those families and loved ones still
suffering I thought it important to publish a reality check that can help bring the
discussion back to some common sense.

Let’s cover five indisputable facts about governments, radar and aircraft:’


Fact #1) Every modern nation tracks air traffic with military radar systems

All the key nations involved in Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 run military radar
systems 24/7. This includes Malaysia and India, of course. These radar systems are
operated for purposes of national defense, making sure each nation can identify
aircraft entering its air space.

If you don't believe that military-grade radar systems can track the altitude,
direction and speed of a Boeing 777, then you don't believe in radar at all.

Fact #2) Every modern nation runs civilian air traffic control "passive" radar
systems that work even without aircraft transponders

Beyond the military radar, modern nations also run air traffic control radar systems
which work in both "active" (transponder) modes and "passive" mode (requiring no
transponder). Although civilian air traffic control systems are generally not as
powerful or accurate as military systems, they are nonetheless fully capable of
detecting and tracking a Boeing 777.

In fact, as any air traffic controller will tell you, their radar systems are fully
capable of tracking flocks of birds and other airborne objects which are far smaller
than a Boeing 777.

Fact #3) A Boeing 777 has a massive radar signature

Unless equipped with some sort of exotic technology we've never heard of -- like a
radar "invisibility cloak" borrowed from the Klingons of Star Trek -- a Boeing 777
has a massive radar signature. The cylindrical fuselage, curved wings and surface
controls (flaps, ailerons, rudder) all reflect radar waves with very high efficiency. A
commercial Boeing aircraft is not a stealth bomber.

The explanation that this Boeing 777 "vanished" from radar simply doesn't hold
water. And if the explanation is that "the pilot flew the aircraft at very low elevation
to evade radar," then it makes no sense that the pilot would carry out this complex
evasion for 4-7 hours and then plunge the aircraft into the Indian Ocean.

Furthermore, a suicidal pilot has no need to evade radar in the first place! If he
wanted to crash the plane, he could have done it immediately after takeoff, or at
any point during the first few minutes of flight. There is no need to evade radar if
you wish to consciously crash the aircraft.

Fact #4) Boeing 777 aircraft cannot survive a collision with the ocean and remain intact

One of the most ridiculous theories currently being floated around the mainstream
media -- and written by journalists who apparently have no education in
fundamental physics or flight mechanics -- is that Flight 370 "crashed" into the
Indian Ocean and somehow magically remained fully intact!

Although it's comforting to think that airplanes are made of incredibly strong steel
that can withstand high-velocity impacts with bodies of water, the far more
sobering truth is that aircraft are flimsy structures made primarily of aluminum.
Aircraft are not rigid; they flex and bend, even during flight. If you've ever watched
the wings during flight, you've no doubt noticed that they have a surprisingly wide
range of movement, almost as if the wings are flapping. An aircraft fuselage moves,
bends, expands and compresses due to changes in temperature, ambient pressure
and structural stress.

A large commercial aircraft that crashes into water simply cannot remain intact.
While there are some miraculous water landings where skilled pilots were able
to "land" aircraft on water thanks to near-stall speeds, flaps and amazing flying
skills, a full-speed crash into water can never result in the aircraft remaining fully
intact. The nose, wings, fuselage and tail would all be torn apart by impact with a
body of water.

Even many attempted "water landings" still result in huge structural failures of the
aircraft, as seen in this photo of a relatively gentle water landing of a flight headed for Bali:

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/water-landing-aircraft-failure.jpg

An actual crash into water would produce a massive amount of debris, including
seats, bodies and other debris easy to spot from satellite imagery or rescue
searches.

Fact #5) A vanishing of Flight 370 would have taken the cooperation of governments

Here's the most astonishing fact of all: because of all the facts stated above, the
vanishing of Flight 370 must have required intentional planning and action from at
least one government (and possibly more). Somebody is covering up the truth of
what happened to MH370, and it looks almost certain that the Malaysian
government is part of this cover-up, as I previously reported.

The mainstream media is extremely reluctant to ever report on any sort of
government cover-up, preferring to pretend that governments are always
transparent and honest with the people of the world. Although such an idea is
utterly laughable, it remains the default position of the conventional media. That's
why the media prefers to run with other theories such as "pilot suicide" or "flight
accident," neither of which withstand scrutiny of the facts. (Case in point: If it
crashed into the ocean, the black boxes would have been transmitting their location
for weeks now, and they would be easy to find.)

World governments routinely lie and deceive the public, of course. As a simple
example of that, the U.S. government has now been exposed as spying on all the
other governments of the world with an above-top-secret NSA spy program
revealed by Edward Snowden. Before his revelations, anyone suggesting the
government was "listening to your phone calls" was immediately called a crackpot
by the clueless conventional media. Now, of course, we all have come to realize
that the NSA really is recording all your phone calls, text messages, social media
posts and financial transactions. This is no longer a secret. It's not a conspiracy
theory. It's business as usual at the highest levels of government. And yes, it's
wildly illegal, but it goes on nonetheless.

That's why the idea that a government "couldn't possibly have lied about Flight
370" is preposterous. Of course a government could lie about Flight 370. It is far
harder for any government to tell the truth than to lie, in fact. And the government
of Malaysia no more adheres to truth and transparency than the U.S. government,
the Russian government or even the government of China. All governments
routinely lie to the public almost by default. To expect a government to tell you the
truth about anything is to live in fantasy land.

But if you are crazy enough to believe that governments never lie, then I'm happy
to report to you that Obamacare now has 6 million enrollees who have all paid their
insurance premiums, the national debt of the USA is rapidly shrinking by the hour,
nobody in Washington D.C. ever abuses power, the gun-running conspiracy by
California Democratic Senator Leland Yee never happened and your tax dollars are
always put to a positive purpose for the betterment of society.


Conclusion
Flight 370 most likely did not crash; it was almost certainly taken over (possibly by
remote control) and flown to a destination with all passengers alive and the aircraft
in one piece.

What happens from there is anyone's guess, but the most likely use of such a
stolen aircraft is to turn it into a massive airborne weapons delivery system to be
outfitted with biological, chemical or nuclear weapons. Believe me when I say this is
the real scenario being discussed behind closed doors at the Pentagon. The "pilot
suicide" explanation is merely the sucker's version of events for public
consumption.

Stay informed



Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044511_Flight_370_reality_check_government_involvement.html#ixzz2xdw2vKTA




Read more: Flight 370 reality check: A Boeing 777 doesn't disappear unless
governments want it to disappear

http://www.naturalnews.com/044511_Flight_370_reality_check_government_involvement.html

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Operator]

Pardon my ignorance but from the position of the satelite, the plane would be moving closer to the satelite if it took the route towards the Indian ocean. Clearly I am not undestanding something fundamental, but the last and latest handshake as it moved away from the satelite would be as it headed in northern arc towards Khazastan.


I was looking at the same thing, now realizing that the plane apparently flew away from the satellite. But on that map
the southern corridor seems still possible. The conclusion I made was that, if this data is correct, it could not have possibly
flown toward Diego Garcia.


http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2014/03/24/understanding-the-satellite-ping-conclusion/

What was not stated initially by Inmarsat or the investigators was that each of the hourly arcs is further away from the satellite than the previous one. In other words the plane was moving away from the satellite continuously from sometime soon after the 2.11am ping.

http://tmfassociates.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/WaPo-ping-arcs.jpg

[treeman]

A very good piece with great questions raised....by Matthias Chang.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/disappearance-of-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh-370-the-trillion-question-to-the-u-s-and-its-intelligence-services/5375780

Lets us begin.

1) Was the plane ordered to turn back, if so who gave the order?

2) Was the plane turned back manually or by remote control?

3) If the latter, which country or countries have the technologies to execute such an operation?

4) Was MH 370 weaponised before its flight to Beijing?

5) If so, what are the likely methods for such a mission – Biological weapons, dirty bombs?

6) Was Beijing / China the target and if so why?

7) Qui Bono?

8) The time sequence of countries identifying the alleged MH 370 debris in the Indian ocean was first made by Australia followed by France, Thailand, Japan, and Britain via Immarsat. Why did US not offer any satellite intelligence till today?

9) Prior to the switch of focus to the Indian ocean, was the SAR mission in the South China seas, used as a cover for the deployment of undersea equipment to track and monitor naval capabilities of all the nations’ navies competing for ownership of disputed territorial waters? Reuters as quoted above seems to have suggested such an outcome.



10) Why was there been no focus, especially by foreign mass media, on the intelligence and surveillance capabilities of Diego Garcia, the strategic naval and air base of the US?

11) Why no questions were asked whether the flight path of MH 370 (if as alleged it crashed in the Indian Ocean), was within the geographical parameters of the Intelligence capabilities of Diego Garcia? Why were no planes deployed from Diego Garcia to intercept the “Unidentified” plane which obviously would pose a threat to the Diego Gracia military base?

12) The outdated capabilities of the Hexagon satellite system deployed by the US in the 1970s has a ground resolution of 0.6 meters; what’s more, the present and latest technologies boast the ability to identify objects much smaller in size. Why have such satellites not provided any images of the alleged debris in the Indian Ocean? Were they deliberately withheld?

13) On April 6th, 2012, the US launched a mission dubbed “NROL-25” (consisting of a spy satellite) from the Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The NROL-25 satellite was likely rigged with “synthetic aperture radar” a system capable of observing targets around the globe in daylight and darkness, able to penetrate clouds and identify underground structures such as military bunkers. Though the true capabilities of the satellites are not publicly known due to their top-secret classification, some analysts have claimed that the technology allows the authorities to zoom in on items as small as a human fist from hundreds of miles away. How is it that no imagery of MH370 debris was forwarded to Malaysia, as this capability is not classified though other technologies might well remain classified? (Source: Slate.com)

14) Could it be that the above capabilities were not as touted?

15) However, in December, 2013, the USAtlas V rocket was launched carrying the spy satellite NROL-39 for the National Reconnaissance Office, an intelligence agency which is often overshadowed by the notorious National Security Agency (NSA), only it scoops data via spy satellites in outer space. The “NROL-39 emblem” is represented by the Octopus a versatile, adaptive, and highly intelligent creature. Emblematically, enemies of the United States can be reached no matter where they choose to hide. The emblem boldly states “Nothing is beyond our reach”. This virtually means that the tentacles of America’s World Octopus are spreading across the globe to coil around everything within their grasp, which is, well, everything (Source: Voice of Moscow). Yet, the US with such capabilities remained silent. Why?


Let me state from the outset that I totally agree with the press statements by Malaysia’s Defence Minister and Acting Transport Minister, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein that “we have conducted ourselves fairly, responsibly and history will judge us for that.”

And to a mischievous and presumptuous question from a correspondent of the Financial Times, Datuk Seri with confidence and integrity rightly said without any fear of contradiction that, “I don’t think we could have done anything different from what we have already done.” Well done!

The Financial Times, CNN and other foreign media ought to pose similar questions to the US and its intelligence services and stop insinuating that Malaysia has not been transparent and/or engaged in a cover-up. Foreign media should stop engaging in dirty politics!

It is my hope that following the publication of this article, Malaysian mass media will focus on questioning the integrity of the US’s assistance to Malaysia in the first three weeks of the SAR mission, notwithstanding its recent offer of more assistance.

I take comfort that my reservations about the US and its intelligence services as well as other intelligence services closely linked to the US, especially British secret service, have been more than vindicated by Reuters in its news report on 28th March, 2014 entitled Geopolitical games handicap hunt for flight MH370

The search for flight MH370, the Malaysian Airlines jetliner that vanished over the South China Sea on March 8, has involved more than two dozen countries and 60 aircraft and ships but has been bedevilled by regional rivalries.

… With the United States playing a relatively muted role in the sort of exercise that until recently it would have dominated, experts and officials say there was no real central coordination until the search for the plane was confined to the southern Indian Ocean, when Australia largely took charge.

Part of the problem is that Asia has no NATO-style regional defence structure, though several countries have formal alliances with the United States. Commonwealth members Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand and Australia also have an arrangement with Britain to discuss defence matters in times of crisis.

As mystery deepened over the fate of the Boeing 777 and its 239 passengers and crew, most of them Chinese, it became clear that highly classified military technology might hold the key.

But the investigation became deadlocked over the reluctance of others to share sensitive data, a reticence that appeared to harden as the search area widened.

“This is turning into a spy novel,” said an envoy from a Southeast Asian country, noting it was turning attention to areas and techniques few countries liked to publicly discuss.

Ultimately, the only country with the technical resources to recover the plane – or at least its black box recorder, which could lie in water several miles deep – may be the United States. Its deep-sea vehicles ultimately hauled up the wreckage of Air France 447 after its 2009 crash into a remote region of the South Atlantic.

While Putrajaya has been forced to reveal some of the limits and ranges of its air defences, the reluctance of Malaysia’s neighbours to release sensitive radar data may have obstructed the investigation for days.

At an ambassadorial meeting in the ad hoc crisis centre at an airport hotel on March 16, Malaysia formally appealed to countries on the jet’s possible path for help, but in part met with polite stonewalling, two people close to the talks said.

Some countries asked Malaysia to put its request in writing, triggering a flurry of diplomatic notes and high-level contacts.

‘It became a game of poker in which Malaysia handed out the cards at the table but couldn’t force others to show their hand,“ a person from another country involved in the talks said.

As in the northern Indian Ocean, where Chinese forces operate alongside other nations to combat Somali piracy, current and former officials say all sides are almost certainly quietly spying on and monitoring each other at the same time. (emphasis added)

WantChinaTimes, Taiwan reported,

The United States has taken advantage of the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight to test the capabilities of China’s satellites and judge the threat of Chinese missiles against its aircraft carriers, reports our sister paper Want Daily.

Erich Shih, chief reporter at Chinese-language military news monthly Defense International, said the US has more and better satellites but has not taken part in the search for flight MH370, which disappeared about an hour into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in the early hours of March 8 with 239 people on board. Shih claimed that the US held back because it wanted to see what information China’s satellites would provide.

The above is the reality which we have to confront. Therefore, desist any attempt to label the above mainstream media articles as a “conspiracy theory”. Reuters has let the Genie out of the bottle!

Malaysia’s Minister of Transport Datuk Seri Hishammuddin gave hints of Malaysia’s difficulties (as his hands were tied by intelligence protocols and or refusal by the relevant foreign intelligence services and diplomatic reluctance) but our local media failed to appreciate the nuances of his statements by not directing their questions at those parties that have failed Malaysia as their neighbour and in their duties under various defence treaties and arrangements.

Malaysian media, please read at the minimum three times, the sentences in bold AND WAKE UP TO THE REALITY that our country has been badly treated even though our country put all its national security cards on the table so that countries whose nationals are passengers on flight MH 370 could come forward with sincerity to assist in resolving this unfortunate tragedy which is not Malaysia’s making.

Malaysia is but a victim of this tragedy whose plane, MH 370 was used for a hidden agenda for which only time will reveal.

In my previous article posted to the website on the 27th March, 2014, I exposed how Israel is exploiting the tragedy to create public opinion for a war against Iran, a Muslim country that has close ties with Malaysia.

At the outset of the SAR Mission, all concerned stated categorically that every scenario, no matter how unlikely would be examined critically with no stones left unturned – terrorist hijacking, suicide mission, technical failures, inadequate security, criminal actions of the pilot and or co-pilot etc.

Given the above premise, families of the passengers and the crew of MH 370 have every right to ask the following questions of the US and other countries that have sophisticated technologies to track and monitor airplanes and ships in all circumstances.

Such questions should not be shot down by those who have a hidden agenda that such queries amount to “conspiracy theories”. Far from being conspiracy theories, we assert that the questions tabled below and the rationale for asking them are well founded and must be addressed by the relevant parties, failing which an inference ought to be drawn that they are complicit in the disappearance of MH 370.

Lets us begin.

1) Was the plane ordered to turn back, if so who gave the order?

2) Was the plane turned back manually or by remote control?

3) If the latter, which country or countries have the technologies to execute such an operation?

4) Was MH 370 weaponised before its flight to Beijing?

5) If so, what are the likely methods for such a mission – Biological weapons, dirty bombs?

6) Was Beijing / China the target and if so why?

7) Qui Bono?

8) The time sequence of countries identifying the alleged MH 370 debris in the Indian ocean was first made by Australia followed by France, Thailand, Japan, and Britain via Immarsat. Why did US not offer any satellite intelligence till today?

9) Prior to the switch of focus to the Indian ocean, was the SAR mission in the South China seas, used as a cover for the deployment of undersea equipment to track and monitor naval capabilities of all the nations’ navies competing for ownership of disputed territorial waters? Reuters as quoted above seems to have suggested such an outcome.



10) Why was there been no focus, especially by foreign mass media, on the intelligence and surveillance capabilities of Diego Garcia, the strategic naval and air base of the US?

11) Why no questions were asked whether the flight path of MH 370 (if as alleged it crashed in the Indian Ocean), was within the geographical parameters of the Intelligence capabilities of Diego Garcia? Why were no planes deployed from Diego Garcia to intercept the “Unidentified” plane which obviously would pose a threat to the Diego Gracia military base?

12) The outdated capabilities of the Hexagon satellite system deployed by the US in the 1970s has a ground resolution of 0.6 meters; what’s more, the present and latest technologies boast the ability to identify objects much smaller in size. Why have such satellites not provided any images of the alleged debris in the Indian Ocean? Were they deliberately withheld?

13) On April 6th, 2012, the US launched a mission dubbed “NROL-25” (consisting of a spy satellite) from the Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The NROL-25 satellite was likely rigged with “synthetic aperture radar” a system capable of observing targets around the globe in daylight and darkness, able to penetrate clouds and identify underground structures such as military bunkers. Though the true capabilities of the satellites are not publicly known due to their top-secret classification, some analysts have claimed that the technology allows the authorities to zoom in on items as small as a human fist from hundreds of miles away. How is it that no imagery of MH370 debris was forwarded to Malaysia, as this capability is not classified though other technologies might well remain classified? (Source: Slate.com)

14) Could it be that the above capabilities were not as touted?

15) However, in December, 2013, the USAtlas V rocket was launched carrying the spy satellite NROL-39 for the National Reconnaissance Office, an intelligence agency which is often overshadowed by the notorious National Security Agency (NSA), only it scoops data via spy satellites in outer space. The “NROL-39 emblem” is represented by the Octopus a versatile, adaptive, and highly intelligent creature. Emblematically, enemies of the United States can be reached no matter where they choose to hide. The emblem boldly states “Nothing is beyond our reach”. This virtually means that the tentacles of America’s World Octopus are spreading across the globe to coil around everything within their grasp, which is, well, everything (Source: Voice of Moscow). Yet, the US with such capabilities remained silent. Why?

It cannot be said that it is not within the realm of probabilities that the US may not want the plane MH 370 to be recovered if rogue intelligence operators were responsible for the disappearance of MH 370.

If the above questions have been posed to the US and other intelligence agencies and answers are not forthcoming, I take the view that the Malaysian government ought to declare publicly that our national sovereignty and security have been jeopardized by the disappearance of MH 370 and that the relevant intelligence agencies have been tacitly complicit in the disappearance of MH370.

By coming out openly to explain the predicament faced by our country, Malaysia may prevent a hostile act against a third country.

I therefore call upon Malaysian mass media to be courageous and initiate such queries as only the US and other intelligence agencies can give definitive answers to the above 15 questions.

It is futile to demand answers from Malaysia as we are not in any position to supply the information as we do not have the capabilities of the global and regional military powers.

Malaysians must unite behind the government so that our leaders need not feel that they are alone shouldering this enormous burden.

Matthias Chang is a prominent Malaysian lawyer and author, who served as political secretary and adviser to former Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohamad.

[Hervé]

Pardon my ignorance but from the position of the satelite, the plane would be moving closer to the satelite if it took the route towards the Indian ocean. Clearly I am not undestanding something fundamental, but the last and latest handshake as it moved away from the satelite would be as it headed in northern arc towards Khazastan.


I was looking at the same thing, now realizing that the plane apparently flew away from the satellite. But on that map the southern corridor seems still possible.

The conclusion I made was that, if this data is correct, it could not have possibly flown toward Diego Garcia.



I do have a problem with those data as well:



LOOK !

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http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/ChagosMap-v3-940.gif


So, how did they managed to get this:

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/satellite-contact-map-by-sergio-pec3a7anha-archie-tse-and-tim-wallace-source-malaysian-government.jpg

... with multiple eyewitnesses reporting of a low flying jet in the Maldives... North of Diego Garcia:



Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)



By Daniel Bosley (http://minivannews.com/author/daniel-bosley/) | March 18th, 2014 |


http://minivannews.com/files/2014/03/Boeing_777-200ER_Malaysia_AL_MAS_9M-MRO_-_MSN_28420_404_9272090094.jpg (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)


With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan

Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

“It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.
“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.

Police have confirmed they are looking into the reports without providing further comment.

Co-author of the original story (http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062) Ahmed Naif explained that Haveeru had been receiving similar reports since March 9, but had been concerned about the credibility of the sightings.

“Later we were getting so many comments that we contacted the island and they said it was true,” explained Naif.

One islander, who identified himself as Hamzath, told Minivan News that had also seen a low-flying plane heading from north-west to south-east, though he remained wary of jumping to conclusions.

“People started talking about it when they realised that the flight that we saw had the same characteristics as of the missing plane,” he said. ”We are still not saying it is the same plane, we just wanted to report it just in case.”

Another witness – who wished to remain anonymous – confirmed a similar height and direction but did not see the plane’s colours, while another suggested that the reports had been exaggerated.

“A plane did fly near the island,” said the anonymous witness. “It wasn’t that big, as big as people say.”

“These days people will be out fishing every morning. Around thirty people would always be there in the morning – but no one talked about it then. If it was that noticeable, loud and big, people would talk.”


http://minivannews.com/files/2014/03/73631595_malaysian_airliner_search_v1_976map1.gif

[Gardener]

This seems a reasonable assumption. Diego Garcia could it seems be a red herring intentionally propogated. Bearing in mind the movements 'rt, lft, rt' before it went off radar, if the plane was captured by remote auto pilot, that movement may have been a way of checking the control had been activated. So north or south are both still possible imho. I also took account of cloaking, it doesn't seem feasable that cloaking was used because there is this signal until 8.11am

Operator.....>I was looking at the same thing, now realizing that the plane apparently flew away from the satellite. But on that map
the southern corridor seems still possible. The conclusion I made was that, if this data is correct, it could not have possibly
flown toward Diego Garcia.
(my bold)

[Hervé]

The only reason the position of MH370 has been extrapolated outward is because of a pretended "Doppler Effect" analysis; that is, no hard data!

However, when one reverses said, alleged "Doppler Effect"... where does one end after a 7 hours flight?




http://tmfassociates.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/WaPo-ping-arcs.jpg

[Operator]

The only reason the position of MH370 has been extrapolated outward is because of a pretended "Doppler Effect" analysis; that is, no hard data!

Whoa, I lost a lengthy post this morning when the server was down and at that very moment I wanted to see how it looked like using 'advanced'.
Anyway it is important enough to repeat it, albeit a bit more summarized.

It was about the Doppler shift that allegedly provided some info about where the plane is. Well, it happens that I do have some hands-on experience
with Doppler shift using satellites. As a HAM radio operator I have played with OSCAR10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSCAR) (quite a while ago). When you use SSB or CW, which requires
mixing the signal with a local carrier to get an audible/readable signal, you can hear the frequency shift. Up when the satellites approaches you and
down after it passes and vanishes over the other horizon again ... (they're not geo-synchronous). From horizon to horizon you only had a 15 .. 20
minutes time window.

So these satellites move at approx. the same high speed like ISS and are in no way comparable with the speed of airplanes. It seems to me that the
Doppler shift has a very tiny effect only and would be negelected at all.

Here's the formula ... we can use estimates for some of the data.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/0/5/8/058fcfea2fcf58a52473d7761c45b1d2.png

c = 300000 Km/s (constant speed of light)
v = velocity (in m/s)

I've read that the plane had an estimated speed of 450 nm/h
1 nautical mile = 1852 meters => 450 nm/h = (450 * 1852) / 3600 = 231.5 m/s

I.e. the Doppler shift = 231.5 / 300000000 = 0.0000717 % of the original frequency. That results in 92.6 Hz on 120 MHz (aviation communication
frequency) and 926 Hz on e.g. 1200 MHz. Those shifts are comfortably within bandwidth filters of receivers in order not to worry too much about
it when AM, FM or PSM modulation (likely for telemetry) is used. So how/why were they aware of the exact Doppler shift?

AND ... on top of that this is the most extreme case only when the plane flies directly toward or away from the satellite. Only a smaller vector
portion will result when the direction is under another angle ... So how valid/accurate is this all together ?

[Hervé]

Indeed!

Thanks Operator!

[Atlas]

THE INMARSAT-3F1 DOPPLER DATA DO NOT EXCLUDE A NORTHERLY FLIGHT PATH FOR MH370 (http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/507)

A northerly route for MH370 deep into central Asia cannot be excluded on the basis of the publicly-available Inmarsat-3F1 satellite data.
By Duncan Steel, 2014 April 02

The search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has concentrated upon the Indian Ocean due to an assertion by Inmarsat personnel that the Doppler data could only be fitted by a southerly route of the aircraft. The announcement of this was made by the Malaysian Government on 24th March, with it coming an expression of certainty that the aircraft must have crashed unseen into the Indian Ocean.

I assert here that the assertion by Inmarsat is wrong. I do not assert that the aircraft definitely took a northerly route. However, I present evidence hereunder that a northerly route cannot be excluded on the basis of the satellite data, and that a northerly track remains viable in terms of what the satellite data can tell us.

Note that I make this assertion despite a lack of access to certain data that Inmarsat will only give to the “proper authorities.” My only sources of information with regard to the satellite data are:

(a) The graphic/map issued by the Malaysian Government on 15th March, showing the ‘ping ring’ with elevation angle from aircraft to satellite of 40 degrees; and

(b) The following graph, drawn up by Inmarsat and issued by the Malaysian Government on 24th March.

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Inmarsat_Doppler.png

[...]

All simulant flights I put at a constant altitude of 35,000 feet (5.79 nm) apart from the initial take-off and climb. This does not significantly affect the results obtained here in terms of paths, line-of-sight (LOS) speed calculations and so on, although in the real world obviously the altitude does affect the aircraft through fuel consumption rates and so on.

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/N_3D.png

[...]

Because Inmarsat has refused to make the basic data (i.e. ping time delays and Doppler shifts directly) available to the public I must go on various open statements made by the company, either directly or through the AAIB and thence the Malaysian Government.

What has been stated is that for all pings the aircraft (i.e. flight MH370) was moving away from the satellite. What this means is that I require the LOS speeds between satellite and aircraft as shown in the six plots above to be positive at all times at which data are available [...].

Looking at those plots above, one can see that this condition is met by the first four speeds (200, 250, 300 and 350 knots), but not by the final speed (450 knots); and at 400 knots the LOS speed at 1180 minutes is marginally negative, enabling one to understand that if that speed had instead been set as, say, 380 knots then a positive LOS speed would have resulted at that time.

Based simply on that inspection of the plots one can therefore say that:

(a) A northerly route is possible, and so Inmarsat’s assertion is negated/falsified; and

(b) The speed was likely below 380 knots.

However, please note clearly that the second statement there is based on a particular routing prior to the divergence point at latitude 07.25 degrees North, longitude 97.5 degrees East. I could easily invent other paths that do not contravene the apparent facts of the initial part of the flight and derive some different limit than 380 knots. My point here, though, is that Inmarsat’s assertion that a northern route was not possible or likely was based on a model predicated on an aircraft speed of 450 knots, as shown above the Burst Frequency Offset (BFO) graph at the start of this post; and I believe that assertion is incorrect.

Full post: http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/507

[Operator]

THE INMARSAT-3F1 DOPPLER DATA DO NOT EXCLUDE A NORTHERLY FLIGHT PATH FOR MH370 (http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/507)

A northerly route for MH370 deep into central Asia cannot be excluded on the basis of the publicly-available Inmarsat-3F1 satellite data.
By Duncan Steel, 2014 April 02

The search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has concentrated upon the Indian Ocean due to an assertion by Inmarsat personnel that the Doppler data could only be fitted by a southerly route of the aircraft. The announcement of this was made by the Malaysian Government on 24th March, with it coming an expression of certainty that the aircraft must have crashed unseen into the Indian Ocean.

I assert here that the assertion by Inmarsat is wrong. I do not assert that the aircraft definitely took a northerly route. However, I present evidence hereunder that a northerly route cannot be excluded on the basis of the satellite data, and that a northerly track remains viable in terms of what the satellite data can tell us.

Note that I make this assertion despite a lack of access to certain data that Inmarsat will only give to the “proper authorities.” My only sources of information with regard to the satellite data are:

(a) The graphic/map issued by the Malaysian Government on 15th March, showing the ‘ping ring’ with elevation angle from aircraft to satellite of 40 degrees; and

(b) The following graph, drawn up by Inmarsat and issued by the Malaysian Government on 24th March.

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Inmarsat_Doppler.png

[...]

All simulant flights I put at a constant altitude of 35,000 feet (5.79 nm) apart from the initial take-off and climb. This does not significantly affect the results obtained here in terms of paths, line-of-sight (LOS) speed calculations and so on, although in the real world obviously the altitude does affect the aircraft through fuel consumption rates and so on.

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/N_3D.png

[...]

Because Inmarsat has refused to make the basic data (i.e. ping time delays and Doppler shifts directly) available to the public I must go on various open statements made by the company, either directly or through the AAIB and thence the Malaysian Government.

What has been stated is that for all pings the aircraft (i.e. flight MH370) was moving away from the satellite. What this means is that I require the LOS speeds between satellite and aircraft as shown in the six plots above to be positive at all times at which data are available [...].

Looking at those plots above, one can see that this condition is met by the first four speeds (200, 250, 300 and 350 knots), but not by the final speed (450 knots); and at 400 knots the LOS speed at 1180 minutes is marginally negative, enabling one to understand that if that speed had instead been set as, say, 380 knots then a positive LOS speed would have resulted at that time.

Based simply on that inspection of the plots one can therefore say that:

(a) A northerly route is possible, and so Inmarsat’s assertion is negated/falsified; and

(b) The speed was likely below 380 knots.

However, please note clearly that the second statement there is based on a particular routing prior to the divergence point at latitude 07.25 degrees North, longitude 97.5 degrees East. I could easily invent other paths that do not contravene the apparent facts of the initial part of the flight and derive some different limit than 380 knots. My point here, though, is that Inmarsat’s assertion that a northern route was not possible or likely was based on a model predicated on an aircraft speed of 450 knots, as shown above the Burst Frequency Offset (BFO) graph at the start of this post; and I believe that assertion is incorrect.

I think that I've seen somewhere that part of the engine data is about fuel usage and speed. Now, that will probably be air speed.
So they should have more precise data ... I also wonder how they synchronize the bursts of data by all these engines out there?
There must be additional info hidden in that 'protocol' too ;)

[Hervé]

Soooo... if I managed to understand the above correctly, the whole thing is made to fit their theory since the decided upon plane cruise speed is totally arbitrary and they must have gone through what Duncan did to zero-in on the best fit to their theory...

Soooo...

... to re-iterate: NO hard data!

[Hervé]

[...]

I think that I've seen somewhere that part of the engine data is about fuel usage and speed. Now, that will probably be air speed.

[...]

... that's when the airline company is connected to be monitored; which the Malaysian didn't allow.

Accordingly, RR Trent only received the requests (pings) for connection but with no answer/monitoring/data download follow-up.

[Operator]

---
... to re-iterate: NO hard data!


Indeed ... besides measuring data, especially tiny sensitive bits, is a league of its own. So how hard is hard data?
Satellites don't get frequent calibration checkups ... built in calibration circuits would not be available if these measurements
were not intended to 'locate' an airplane. Without calibration unknown accuracy !

Since it is also a one of reading (measurement not repeated) how precise is it?

I could accept rough indications but not accurate data with known precision ... we don't even know the
measurement's granularity ! How could they take the responsibility to say it's conclusive?

[Atlas]

This morning Malaysia revealed it would gather “false’’ media reports over the crisis and consider filing lawsuits. Mr Hishammuddin said on his Twitter feed the country’s attorney general had been instructed to “compile evidence and advise’’ on possible legal action.

Earlier in the day he was quoted by the Malay Mail newspaper as saying: “We have been compiling all the false reports since day one. When the time is right, the government should sue them.’’

http://malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=255392:msia-draws-up-%E2%80%98enemies-list%E2%80%99-in-bid-to-stop-criticism-against-its-mishandling-of-mh370-tragedy&Itemid=2#axzz2xpZu0WPR

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkJ0uzxCEAAbcFz.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

The little vid gives a few views on what may have happened, among which it said
no VIPs on board. No mention of the 30 VIP computer workers.....

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2 April 2014 Last updated at 07:36

Missing plane MH370: Malaysia mystery ‘may not be solved’

Short Vid on link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26847402

Theories abound about what may have happened to flight MH370

Malaysia has warned that the reasons for the Malaysia Airlines plane's
disappearance may never be known, as Prime Minister Najib Razak heads to
Australia for talks on the search.

Malaysia's police chief said that their investigation could "go on and on".

Ten planes and nine ships are searching the southern Indian Ocean. A UK
submarine has also joined the hunt.Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March as it was
travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. It was carrying 239 people.

Mr Najib will arrive in Perth, Western Australia, on Wednesday evening. He will visit
the new Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC), where the southern Indian
Ocean search is being led.He will meet Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, and
retired air chief marshal Angus Houston, who is leading the JACC.

'Isolated thunderstorms'

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73965000/jpg/_73965142_021749064-1.jpg


Pilots sit in the cockpit of the Japan Coast Guard Gulfstream V aircraft as it flies
over the southern Indian Ocean looking for debris from missing Malaysian Airlines
flight MH370, 1 April 2014 Teams have been searching for the plane for more than
three weeks Meanwhile, Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said the criminal
investigation could "go on and on and on. We have to clear every little thing."

"At the end of the investigations, we may not even know the real cause. We may
not even know the reason for this incident," he said.

He added that police had "cleared" all the passengers of the four key areas being
investigated: hijacking, sabotage, and psychological and personal problems,
Malaysia's Bernama news agency reported.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73965000/jpg/_73965160_021749918-1.jpg

File photo: Royal Navy submarine HMS Tireless, 1 March 2012 British submarine HMS Tireless will also assist search efforts

Khalid Abu Bakar added that more than 170 interviews had been conducted with
family members of the pilots and crew members, and that even cargo and food
served on the plane were being investigated in case of sabotage.

Wednesday's search area is around 221,000 sq km (85,300 sq miles), but cloudy
conditions, "sea fog and isolated thunderstorms" will reduce visibility for search
planes, JACC said in a statement.

The British submarine HMS Tireless has also arrived in the southern Indian Ocean.
It will soon be joined by Royal Navy ship HMS Echo.

The private jet of film director Peter Jackson has also joined the search.

On Tuesday, ACM Houston said it was the most challenging operation he had ever
seen, and warned that search efforts "could drag on for a long time".

"The last known position [of the plane] was a long, long way from where the
aircraft appears to have gone," complicating the task, he said.

Several floating objects have been found in recent days, but none is believed to
belong to the missing plane.Also on Tuesday, Malaysian authorities released the full
transcript of communications between flight MH370 and Kuala Lumpur's air traffic
control.They said there was no indication of anything abnormal in the transcript,
although the last words received by ground controllers are different from those
previously stated.

Officials say that based on satellite data they have concluded that flight MH370
crashed into the southern Indian Ocean, but many relatives of those on board have
demanded proof and expressed anger at what they perceive as a lack of
information.

A closed-door briefing is being held in Kuala Lumpur for families of those on the flight.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73976000/gif/_73976248_malaysian_airliner_search_624_02.04.14.gif

Map: Latest search area

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26847402

[Atlas]

Malaysia did not release the cargo manifest yet.


WHY NOT START BY RELEASING CARGO DETAILS!

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/04/02/igp.ashx?w=620&h=413&crop=1&

Dato' Aloyah Mamat and Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar on 11 March 2014:

Q : This is Pui Kuan from bloomberg. Thinks to ask question on cargo. In term of hijacking the cargo, what kind of cargo the plane are carry inside anything that was a explo, anything could be explosive or inside anything expensive as it like gold or something?

A : We are going to that piece by piece from the photograph and video footage that we got.

[...]

Q : Sir, Martin Merock from the Sydney Morning Herald, is one of the area of your investigation the possibility that there were some bomb loaded through the cargo section of the plane or is there any area of you looking at?

A : Of Course, we will look into all the angle, all those thing and we will.

Q : Could you give us some clue? You told us there some was possible leading, could you give us some clue you got? Could you provide us some clue you got?

A : That what we have going through now. 1 by 1. Slowly.

Q : What confirm information have you got?

A : What confirm information?

A : No, nothing. That’s why we are going to those four area and we have to do it slowly one by one. If it’s confirm means it’s easy for us.

Full transcript (http://www.mot.gov.my/my/Newsroom/Press%20Release/Tahun%202014/MH370%20Press%20Statement%20by%20Dato'%20Aloyah%20Mamat%20and%20Tan%20Sri%20Khalid%20Abu%20Bakar%20o n%2011%20March%202014.pdf)
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April 2, 2014

Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar said the police had to look at every aspect to rule out sabotage.

“For example, when we knew there was a load of mangosteens onboard, we had to find out where the mangosteens came from. We tracked down who plucked the fruits, who packed them and shipped them out, and who put them on the plane.

“Then we had to determine who would have received them in China and who paid for it, and for how much. Imagine how many people we must interview to rule out sabotage and that is just the mangosteens,” Khalid said, adding that the fruits had come from an orchard in Muar.

Khalid added that the food served onboard was also scrutinised.

He said that investigations are still ongoing with over 170 statements from foreign and local sources as well as the families of passengers and crew aboard MH370 already recorded.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/04/02/MH370-search-Police-looking-at-every-detail/

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Link (http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html)

The closer that millions of online sleuths come to tracing the trajectory and destination of the missing Malaysian Airlines jetliner, the likelier it becomes that the National Security Agency and CIA will resort to disinformation, including the planting of falsified evidence, to throw off their pursuers in what increasingly appears to be an electronic hijacking by those spy agencies.

More layers of the ongoing cover-up are being hatched now that eyewitnesses at the Huvadhu Atoll, a diving area in the southern Maldives,, have reported sightings of "a low-flying jumbo jet.: South of Huvadhu Atoll, the closest U.S. military facility is Diego Garcia in the Chagos Islands. The joint U.S. Navy submarine and Air Force facility has underground hangers huge enough to conceal B-52 bombers, a convenient hiding place for a Boeing-777.

Huvadhu is a prominent marker in the vast Indian Ocean, used as the turning point for flights into Diego Garcia. There valuable cargo - either classified documents or a human intelligence asset - can be secretly landed and reloaded on a USAF cargo jet or a Navy submarine. Countless secret and illegal "extraordinary rendition" flights were sent to Diego Garcia in the war on terror, and there is no practical reason why the same US intelligence agencies would not use it to land a civilian aircraft hijacked by remote control.

Pieces of the wreckage spotted by US ally Australia further south of Diego Garcia could be a decoy site, salted with physical evidence of airplane parts that have been moved surreptitiously. As in the unsolved mystery of Amelia Earhart, who was on an espionage mission against the Japanese forces in the South Pacific before her disappearance, there is the possibility that a hostile military force moved tantalizing evidence from the actual landing site to a more distant remote island by plane or ship.

Malaysia Targeted by Air-Sea Battle Plan

The case of a MH370 has been solely focused on the possibility of a route diversion by the on-board crew. Completely ignored in press releases and news reports so far is the elephant in the room, or perhaps a better analogy of a Great White Shark in the bathtub - the massive U.S. Navy and Air Force presence in the seas and airspace surrounding Malaysia.

There is absolutely no way that a flying object as large as a Boeing-777 could evade the 24-hour watch over the South China Sea and the Andaman Sea by NSA-USAF spy satellites, high-tech AEGIS destroyers, the new class of Littoral Combat Ships and P3 surveillance planes.

The reasons for targeting Malaysia becomes clearer ..... More (http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html)

[Bill Ryan]

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To many reading this, this will be stating the obvious: but I'm concerned now that no debris from the Southern Ocean will now be announced to be from the plane. The fruitless search will eventually be called off. The logic tree goes:


If it were part of a larger scenario for it to have been officially stated that "proof" had been found of the plane having ditched there, it would have been announced already (whether or not real wreckage had actually been found). NOT good that they're still looking.



I strongly suspect that decent men and women, having spent tens of thousands of person-hours diligently searching, will be quietly saying to each other: "You know, the thing's not really around here at all". But, of course, they have to continue to follow orders.



Worryingly, that leaves the door open for another scenario to emerge, that of the plane (or its Israeli clone) suddenly appearing elsewhere (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=814657&viewfull=1#post814657) and being used as something far larger and more dangerous.



But: I'm hoping/intending that even if that was the original plan, that plan has somehow gone awry in ways we can't yet know about -- and that nothing 'bad' will happen at all (the logic being that if this had been the original masterplan, it would very probably have happened already). That would mean, then, that the plane will never be recovered -- anywhere -- and it will never emerge what occurred; unless a real insider whistleblower tells all in years to come.

[Referee]

A trusted source of mine within the last four months told me that there were some very odd air exercises going on up at Eilson AFB in AK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eielson_Air_Force_Base). My source is stationed up there. He said he thought is was strange to see commercial aircraft with recognizable logos training with military aircraft. He is pretty straight laced. If he thought it was odd I would have to say it was very strange indeed,

Just food for thought, I don't know if it is anything but thought it deserved a mention.

[SilentFeathers]

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To many reading this, this will be stating the obvious: but I'm concerned now that no debris from the Southern Ocean will now be announced to be from the plane. The fruitless search will eventually be called off. The logic tree goes:


If it were part of a larger scenario for it to have been officially stated that "proof" had been found of the plane having ditched there, it would have been announced already (whether or not real wreckage had actually been found). NOT good that they're still looking.



I strongly suspect that decent men and women, having spent tens of thousands of person-hours diligently searching, will be quietly saying to each other: "You know, the thing's not really around here at all". But, of course, they have to continue to follow orders.



Worryingly, that leaves the door open for another scenario to emerge, that of the plane (or its Israeli clone) suddenly appearing elsewhere (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=814657&viewfull=1#post814657) and being used as something far larger and more dangerous.



But: I'm hoping/intending that even if that was the original plan, that plan has somehow gone awry in ways we can't yet know about -- and that nothing 'bad' will happen at all (the logic being that if this had been the original masterplan, it would very probably have happened already). That would mean, then, that the plane will never be recovered -- anywhere -- and it will never emerge what occurred; unless a real insider whistleblower tells all in years to come.


I think we are about to see the weirdness go in to overdrive.

[Taurean]

I think what was originally planned has been well and truly scuppered and whoever instigated it is going to keep shtum and let the conspiratorialist cancel each other out over time.

[Flash]

Link (http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html)

The closer that millions of online sleuths come to tracing the trajectory and destination of the missing Malaysian Airlines jetliner, the likelier it becomes that the National Security Agency and CIA will resort to disinformation, including the planting of falsified evidence, to throw off their pursuers in what increasingly appears to be an electronic hijacking by those spy agencies.

More layers of the ongoing cover-up are being hatched now that eyewitnesses at the Huvadhu Atoll, a diving area in the southern Maldives,, have reported sightings of "a low-flying jumbo jet.: South of Huvadhu Atoll, the closest U.S. military facility is Diego Garcia in the Chagos Islands. The joint U.S. Navy submarine and Air Force facility has underground hangers huge enough to conceal B-52 bombers, a convenient hiding place for a Boeing-777.

Huvadhu is a prominent marker in the vast Indian Ocean, used as the turning point for flights into Diego Garcia. There valuable cargo - either classified documents or a human intelligence asset - can be secretly landed and reloaded on a USAF cargo jet or a Navy submarine. Countless secret and illegal "extraordinary rendition" flights were sent to Diego Garcia in the war on terror, and there is no practical reason why the same US intelligence agencies would not use it to land a civilian aircraft hijacked by remote control.

Pieces of the wreckage spotted by US ally Australia further south of Diego Garcia could be a decoy site, salted with physical evidence of airplane parts that have been moved surreptitiously. As in the unsolved mystery of Amelia Earhart, who was on an espionage mission against the Japanese forces in the South Pacific before her disappearance, there is the possibility that a hostile military force moved tantalizing evidence from the actual landing site to a more distant remote island by plane or ship.

Malaysia Targeted by Air-Sea Battle Plan

The case of a MH370 has been solely focused on the possibility of a route diversion by the on-board crew. Completely ignored in press releases and news reports so far is the elephant in the room, or perhaps a better analogy of a Great White Shark in the bathtub - the massive U.S. Navy and Air Force presence in the seas and airspace surrounding Malaysia.

There is absolutely no way that a flying object as large as a Boeing-777 could evade the 24-hour watch over the South China Sea and the Andaman Sea by NSA-USAF spy satellites, high-tech AEGIS destroyers, the new class of Littoral Combat Ships and P3 surveillance planes.

The reasons for targeting Malaysia becomes clearer ..... More (http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html)

Excellent find Ron, great article and no rehash of what we already know. Some history of problems between US and Malaysia and also the covering of how extensive the area is covered with surveillance, therefore impossible to hide the jet unless the jet did not go down in water. Great read.

The Malaysian government may be worried of the same as Bill is, if we read that article brought up by Ron. And it does explain why they would contradict themselves when speaking to the public. They did not know which path to take in order to avoid the wrath of the US, as happened to Lybia or Syria.

Please read, it is a great article. The only thing lacking is the potential, if not probable, electronic components that were created by the bunch of specialists on that filght and the potential for biological warfare containers in that plane. All the other potential reasons for taking the plane are explained. And it too leads to Diego Gardia.

As PTB always tries to hit many targets in one shot, Malaysia would have been hit, China would understand the message, highly specialise technical people developing equipement for spy agencies have been taken and may work for the black projects now, and the biological warfare containers ceased and studied and for use later.

[Referee]

Kerry's Cassidy today.

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[Rocky_Shorz]

-------

To many reading this, this will be stating the obvious: but I'm concerned now that no debris from the Southern Ocean will now be announced to be from the plane. The fruitless search will eventually be called off. The logic tree goes:


If it were part of a larger scenario for it to have been officially stated that "proof" had been found of the plane having ditched there, it would have been announced already (whether or not real wreckage had actually been found). NOT good that they're still looking.



I strongly suspect that decent men and women, having spent tens of thousands of person-hours diligently searching, will be quietly saying to each other: "You know, the thing's not really around here at all". But, of course, they have to continue to follow orders.



Worryingly, that leaves the door open for another scenario to emerge, that of the plane (or its Israeli clone) suddenly appearing elsewhere (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=814657&viewfull=1#post814657) and being used as something far larger and more dangerous.



But: I'm hoping/intending that even if that was the original plan, that plan has somehow gone awry in ways we can't yet know about -- and that nothing 'bad' will happen at all (the logic being that if this had been the original masterplan, it would very probably have happened already). That would mean, then, that the plane will never be recovered -- anywhere -- and it will never emerge what occurred; unless a real insider whistleblower tells all in years to come.


if the plane really had problems, someone from Rolls-Royce took the page from the printer, walked into the bosses office and said hey, there is something wrong with this plane...


Malaysian 777: Engine data not tracked for hours, says source

The Malaysian Airlines 777 missing since Friday was not tracked for hours by engine maker Rolls-Royce after losing touch with air traffic control, contrary to a report in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal. Investigators may have had periodic contacts with another set of signals from the jet... link (http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2023120757_missing777trackingxml.html)

not tracked for hours, did anyone happen to ask why?

Don't they monitor flights to report emergencies to local authorities, but for some reason, not this plane?

does it communicate through the same equipment as the plane, or does it have a satcom of its own?

[Flash]

Read the text Ron has suggested Rocky, there was much much more surveillance than Rolls Royce.

[Rocky_Shorz]

but this says so much...

not tracked for hours...

why didn't they just say our signal stopped at the same time control lost contact...

where did it appear? where was it going...

or, where was it parked?


Boeing and Rolls-Royce both receive info from the same system?


that's a lot of people that know...


they changed the story quick but I wanted to remind everyone about the puzzle piece at the beginning, did it get picked up by India ground stations after hours of silence?

more people that know and are being hushed...

[araucaria]

Plane taken not crashed ?? Thought provoking interview with partner of Philip Wood



'Governments are intentionally misleading us' on Malaysia plane - BBC News

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BBC News

Published on 28 Mar 2014


In a powerful interview the partner of Philip Wood, a passenger on #MH370,
said the search for the flight 'feels like an intentional series of distractions'.
Sarah Bajc wants the authorities to withdraw the original statement about
the flight being down due to 'new evidence'.
If like me you thought that this was a very cool, calm and collected interview from someone who has supposedly lost her partner, not even dead but missing, you may be intererested to learn that she was the managing director of the Israeli corporation Tescom. From Jeff Rense (at c. 12 mins):


Jeff Rense & Yoichi Shimatsu - Flt 370 - Israeli Intel Double-Cross

Clip from March 31, 2014 / Published on Apr 3, 2014

Refreshed & updated


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBZlkMQiTZQ&feature=em-uploademail

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.1/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

4 April 2014 Last updated at 09:18

Malaysia plane MH370: Pinger locator deployed in search

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Richard Westcott reports on the use of a pinger locator to find a black box


Search teams have begun using a towed pinger locator to hunt for the black box of
missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Two ships with locator capabilities are searching a 240km (150 mile) underwater
path, in the hope of recovering the plane's data recorder.

Up to 14 planes and nine ships were due to take part in Friday's search.

The plane disappeared on 8 March en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. It was
carrying 239 people.

It is believed to have crashed in the southern Indian Ocean, although no confirmed
debris has been found from the plane.

The search is being co-ordinated from the city of Perth in Western Australia.

The battery-powered pingers on the plane's black box stop transmitting about 30
days after a crash, giving the searchers now perhaps only a few days to locate it.

'Highest probability'

Angus Houston, head of the Joint Agencies Coordination Centre (JACC) leading the
search, said that two ships had "commenced the sub-surface search for emissions
from [the] black box pinger".

Australia naval vessel Ocean Shield was using a towed pinger locator from the US
Navy, while HMS Echo, which had similar capabilities, was also searching.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73766000/jpg/_73766945_tpl_640_v3.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74025000/jpg/_74025849_021779932-1.jpg
Officials said there was "some hope" the locators would be able to find the black box

read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26849818

[Cidersomerset]

I just noticed this article about Diego Garcia and imperial lies in exchange
for a Polaris missile discount. An insight to the BS of beaurocrats who ignore
indigenous peoples rights, both the US & UK have a debt to pay.



March 28 2014 Breaking News MH370 Pilot Home flight simulator had USA Military base Diego Garcia


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The indigenous population were forced to leave....

[Cidersomerset]

This documentary basically goes thru what mainstream has been reporting,
from catastrophic accident to cyber hijacking, its useful for a time line update.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Disappearance Of Flight MH370: 14 Days That Gripped The World

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Published on 25 Mar 2014


On Saturday 8 March, Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 took off for Beijing from Kuala Lumpur
with 239 passengers and crew on board; around one hour after take-off the Boeing 777
vanished from the radar screens. No one knows for sure what happened.

This fast turnaround documentary tells the 14-day story of a mystery that has shaken
modern aviation to its very core, and which will have a far-reaching impact on the
monitoring and security of future air travel.

Was it pilot error, technical failure, terrorism or some other freak occurrence? Using
exclusive archive and testimony from some of the world's leading aviation and
security experts, we will track the search efforts, investigate the theories and
examine the latest evidence.

[Operator]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.1/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

4 April 2014 Last updated at 09:18

Malaysia plane MH370: Pinger locator deployed in search

98_VQQ1Jfi4
Richard Westcott reports on the use of a pinger locator to find a black box


Search teams have begun using a towed pinger locator to hunt for the black box of
missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Two ships with locator capabilities are searching a 240km (150 mile) underwater
path, in the hope of recovering the plane's data recorder.

Up to 14 planes and nine ships were due to take part in Friday's search.

The plane disappeared on 8 March en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. It was
carrying 239 people.

It is believed to have crashed in the southern Indian Ocean, although no confirmed
debris has been found from the plane.

The search is being co-ordinated from the city of Perth in Western Australia.

The battery-powered pingers on the plane's black box stop transmitting about 30
days after a crash, giving the searchers now perhaps only a few days to locate it.

'Highest probability'

Angus Houston, head of the Joint Agencies Coordination Centre (JACC) leading the
search, said that two ships had "commenced the sub-surface search for emissions
from [the] black box pinger".

Australia naval vessel Ocean Shield was using a towed pinger locator from the US
Navy, while HMS Echo, which had similar capabilities, was also searching.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73766000/jpg/_73766945_tpl_640_v3.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74025000/jpg/_74025849_021779932-1.jpg
Officials said there was "some hope" the locators would be able to find the black box

read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26849818

Just as I predicted (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=814828&viewfull=1#post814828) ... late in their time window they will look for the pinger just late enough to conveniently
hear the last life-signals of it to identify the plane and then conclude that it is too deep and the pinger is
not much of a help any longer to locate the plane and launch a DSRV to confirm it.

I suspect a DSRV would find only the blackbox or perhaps even only the pinger ... (easy to drop off while prying eyes are watching).

[Bill Ryan]

Plane taken not crashed?? Thought provoking interview with partner of Philip Wood

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:bump:

Bumping this short but very powerful interview above -- WOW.

[Cidersomerset]

Using her intuition she feels Philip is still alive. It maybe she
is trying to tell 'them' she knows what is happening. She gets
more emotional by the end of the interview. But its sounds
like she may know more than she can say, or it maybe I'm
being influenced by the Jeff Rense vid above.

Still a lot more to this story than meets the eye as we all know.


Partner of missing man on Flight 370 gives emotional plea

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Published on 28 Mar 2014


CNN's Anderson Cooper talks with Sarah Bajc,
partner to Flight 370's American passenger Philip Wood.

[araucaria]

Using her intuition she feels Philip is still alive. It maybe she
is trying to tell 'them' she knows what is happening. She gets
more emotional by the end of the interview. But its sounds
like she may know more than she can say, or it maybe I'm
being influenced by the Jeff Rense vid above.

Still a lot more to this story than meets the eye as we all know.


Partner of missing man on Flight 370 gives emotional plea

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Published on 28 Mar 2014


CNN's Anderson Cooper talks with Sarah Bajc,
partner to Flight 370's American passenger Philip Wood.
Alternatively, it may be an attempt at damage limitation after lack of emotion in the earlier interview, which contained things like



- That must be incredibly difficult for you emotionally.
- Ah, it’s frustrating. I think we are all being hoodwinked…

I have no idea either way. Notice though how the emotion here only came at the very end, meaning that an actor would only have to break down momentarily and not keep up the act for any length of time.

[Flash]

Using her intuition she feels Philip is still alive. It maybe she
is trying to tell 'them' she knows what is happening. She gets
more emotional by the end of the interview. But its sounds
like she may know more than she can say, or it maybe I'm
being influenced by the Jeff Rense vid above.

Still a lot more to this story than meets the eye as we all know.


Partner of missing man on Flight 370 gives emotional plea

UfDS31cjzjk

Published on 28 Mar 2014


CNN's Anderson Cooper talks with Sarah Bajc,
partner to Flight 370's American passenger Philip Wood.
Alternatively, it may be an attempt at damage limitation after lack of emotion in the earlier interview, which contained things like



- That must be incredibly difficult for you emotionally.
- Ah, it’s frustrating. I think we are all being hoodwinked…

I have no idea either way. Notice though how the emotion here only came at the very end, meaning that an actor would only have to break down momentarily and not keep up the act for any length of time.

I do not agree with you. Why, because I know I could withold my emotions if the life of my daughter was in jeopardy for example. I would be coherent to make sure I have an impact and be totally wasted and brake down right after the interview. Some people do have control when the situation demands it.

She is used to television, she knows that an highly emotional presentation won't pass the ramp of television and won't reach the kidnappers.

[Limor Wolf]

cautiously saying, something about this woman feels 'off' to me. There seems to be a real spin going on in the way they 'test' the water with the public these days, it is no more an immersion of the finger to check the temprature, but throwing of some large stones that are squirting all over. An alarming new trend seems to be going on since the 'Sandy Hook shooting' which seems to mix the drama of acting school with real life.

[Flash]

cautiously saying, something about this woman feels 'off' to me. There seems to be a real spin going on in the way they 'test' the water with the public these days, it is no more an immersion of the finger to check the temprature, but throwing of some large stones that are squirting all over. An alarming new trend seems to be going on since the 'Sandy Hook shooting' which seems to mix the drama of acting school with real life.

you are right, testing the waters is for sure, but I do not think it is the way you seem to think. That woman is a Professional and has been around studios for ages. She is used to present without emotions, as any good reported does when presenting in a war situation for example. And she is doing her job. What is the difference here is that in her first video, she was quite clear about the plane having been hijacked and asking Malaysia to say so and take of the passenger from a dead people list, while in the second she is not as affirmative, rather begging than anything else. Add to this that she said her intuition said so, making her discountable right away by most people.

She definitely knows much more than she says and my bet is that she has been threatened. So she walks on glass right now, she wants her boyfriend alive and her own life to live. A bet of mine. That would be why she feels off for some of us.

[araucaria]

I do not agree with you.
You cannot disagree with me dear Flash as I did not express an opinion: there are just too many possibilities. Women can be devious (either withholding or feigning emotions) for good and bad reasons (mostly good, as in your example). And as they are generally more honest than men, a dishonest woman can be a useful weapon (think ofUkraine and Iraq).

[Flash]

Sorry Araucaria, but I do have the "luxury" to disagree with you even if you wrote nothing nor opened your mouth. No need for an opinion. Women's privilege.:p
(devious enough?? ;))




I do not agree with you.
You cannot disagree with me dear Flash as I did not express an opinion: there are just too many possibilities. Women can be devious (either withholding or feigning emotions) for good and bad reasons (mostly good, as in your example). And as they are generally more honest than men, a dishonest woman can be a useful weapon (think ofUkraine and Iraq).

[Atlas]

Here's the real "Mystery" of MH370:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/mh370-questions.jpg

[Limor Wolf]

Yes, I know the details, Flash. Time will tell.. There are cloack and dagger games or dog and pony, whatever you prefer to call it. It seems that they don't care much now but to turn our world into some major theatre scene where the difference between fake and reality will be less than clear, this is what I unfortunately observe.

[araucaria]

cautiously saying, something about this woman feels 'off' to me. There seems to be a real spin going on in the way they 'test' the water with the public these days, it is no more an immersion of the finger to check the temprature, but throwing of some large stones that are squirting all over. An alarming new trend seems to be going on since the 'Sandy Hook shooting' which seems to mix the drama of acting school with real life.

From Jeff Rense in the video first posted by giovonni:
She was:

the big boss of Tescom, the top Israeli software testing company … biggest client Rafael Aerospace, which controls remote piloting system and other avionics, advanced drones marketed through Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI). That should tell you something right there.

[Rocky_Shorz]

cautiously saying, something about this woman feels 'off' to me. There seems to be a real spin going on in the way they 'test' the water with the public these days, it is no more an immersion of the finger to check the temprature, but throwing of some large stones that are squirting all over. An alarming new trend seems to be going on since the 'Sandy Hook shooting' which seems to mix the drama of acting school with real life.

you are right, testing the waters is for sure, but I do not think it is the way you seem to think. That woman is a Professional and has been around studios for ages. She is used to present without emotions, as any good reported does when presenting in a war situation for example. And she is doing her job. What is the difference here is that in her first video, she was quite clear about the plane having been hijacked and asking Malaysia to say so and take of the passenger from a dead people list, while in the second she is not as affirmative, rather begging than anything else. Add to this that she said her intuition said so, making her discountable right away by most people.

She definitely knows much more than she says and my bet is that she has been threatened. So she walks on glass right now, she wants her boyfriend alive and her own life to live. A bet of mine. That would be why she feels off for some of us.

my only question for her...

does your boyfriend normally hide cell phones in his butt?


sorry but maybe he called or messaged her, and she passed it on to someone to bring public...

[Limor Wolf]

cautiously saying, something about this woman feels 'off' to me. There seems to be a real spin going on in the way they 'test' the water with the public these days, it is no more an immersion of the finger to check the temprature, but throwing of some large stones that are squirting all over. An alarming new trend seems to be going on since the 'Sandy Hook shooting' which seems to mix the drama of acting school with real life.

From Jeff Rense in the video first posted by giovonni:
She was:

the big boss of Tescom, the top Israeli software testing company … biggest client Rafael Aerospace, which controls remote piloting system and other avionics, advanced drones marketed through Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI). That should tell you something right there.

Thanks Araucaria, I saw that, and may I ask what does it tell you?

[Cidersomerset]

An article discussing whether it was possible to send
a message, the rest is self explanatory...



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Remember the SHILLS

Sunday, March 30, 2014 10:00

(Before It's News)

This is an update to the Philip Wood report.

Remember the shills

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If you ever get hijacked, kidnapped, or become the victim in a war or terror attack, REMEMBER THE SHILLS.
Remember them if you ever manage to get a message out to the world about where you are, because they
will promptly jump on it to shut you up.

No matter what the story, no matter what the circumstance, if anyone tries to get your message to the public
despite the shills, those trying to help you will become the object of ridicule and the target of thousands of paid
shills, who will lie, hack and cheat their way into burying the fact that you are alive, and that you managed to speak.

Such has been the case with Philip wood. And I would like to point out why.

Philip claimed to get a message out with an iphone after being separated from the rest of the people and put in a
prison cell alone. And every part of what he said was shilled practically into oblivion.

The first thing the shills said was Phillip wood did not exist, but THAT was a lie.

They then said that an Iphone could never be hidden from a search, but THAT was a lie. and I promise you, no
one hides a knife up their @.

They then tried to make people believe that there is no civilian cell service on Diego Garcia that Philip could have
connected with, because “it’s a military base, there are no civilians there” but then Lt. Col Caggns at DOD media
relations in Arlington confirmed cell service in fact IS available on Diego Garcia (go figure) because Diego Garcia
has a large civilian population for such a small island, 1,600 civilians working high paying jobs. And they can’t
call home. YEP. Because according to the SHILLS there can’t be a satellite linked cell tower.

They then insisted that in his @ meant up his rectum, and not just in the cheeks, where the TSA fails 70 percent of
the time. And even if it was his rectum, they lied when they said it would not fit, even though Philip had five hours
to think of a way to get it in there before the plane landed.

Then, after all of that was answered clearly, they then went on to say that it could never have happened because (lie)
“an Iphone cannot be turned off” when it absolutely can be turned off, and that an Iphone will only last a day when
turned on, when in reality if there is nothing wrong with the iphone, it can be turned on for over a week in standby easily.

You see, shills think you are stupid, SO STUPID you will believe that a high end gadget in 2014 always kills the battery
in a few hours no matter what. Welcome 1970′s carbon battery.

And they could not have the real picture out there in circulation, NO. So they hacked their way into the major web site
that posted it, and destroyed the exif so it had no real forensic value within a few hours, and in stupidity made it obvious
by putting up a picture of a bloody body on that same web site. Let me ask, was that a threat?

People were not stupid enough to buy all the shillage, so the shills then hatched the only lie left – that the story was too
perfect to be true. But how else could it be? Consider the message:

“I have been held hostage by unknown military personal after my flight was hijacked (blindfolded). I work for IBM and I
have managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack. I have been separated from the rest of the passengers
and I am in a cell. My name is Philip Wood. I think I have been drugged as well and cannot think clearly.”

Let’s dissect that. “I have been held hostage by unknown military personal after my flight was hijacked (blindfolded).”
If this was a hoax given what was known by all the zit picking kids out there, the message would have instead said
“I have been held hostage by American forces after my plane was hijacked. I am in Diego Garcia. But he does not
know who his captors are, and that is a total green light for the story being true, because they sure as heck would
never tell him. And he obviously did not know where he was.

The kicker? He was blindfolded. The Army will blindfold people with a locked bag over the head that the people they
put it on can’t get off, to leave their hands free when they have been judged to not be a threat. Once in the cell, they
took the handcuffs off because he was not a threat, he was the victim and they left the bag to avoid being identified.
Philip, who may have been beta testing the latest IBM voice recognition software or using the voice recognition abilities
of the Iphone, swiped the screen correctly to turn it on and then talked to it to get it logged in somewhere to get his
message out because he could not see the screen. THE KICKER IS THAT IT IS OBVIOUSLY A VOICE RECOGNITION
MESSAGE. IT’S CHOPPY AND THE WORD PERSONNEL WAS INTERPRETED AS THE WORD PERSONAL. THE TWO ARE
TOO DIFFERENT FOR THAT TO BE A TYPO, VOICE ASSISTED SOFTWARE OBVIOUSLY DID THAT ERROR.

So, the first line of what he said FITS PERFECT.

“I work for IBM and managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack”. Shills ripped this, saying he would
not have bothered with where he worked. That is a load of BUNK. If he was flying to Bejing, he was most likely on a
business flight for work, and wanted to make clear who he was so there would be no mistake. And where else would
he put the cell phone other than his ass? in his ear? his pee hole? Come on now, that shillage was thin.

So the second line could not have been any different in a real scenario

“I have been separated from the rest of the passengers and am in a cell” The fact that he waited to be separated from
the rest of the passengers to get the message out is absolutely the way it would have been, before separation they
would have been closely watching all the passengers and he did not risk losing his phone while under close scrutiny.
Once in the cell, the cell prevents escape and would not have immediate supervision. THAT would be the time to dial out.
So the third line is exactly the way it would be, because Phil is a smart guy, he works for IBM in database security and
knew when to try to reach the outside world.

“My name is Philip Wood. I think I have been drugged as well and cannot think clearly” That supports the story extremely
well, American forces unilaterally drug all prisoners.

BOTTOM LINE? THE STORY WASHES. And NEVER FORGET what the shills did to this if you ever end up in trouble, if you
ever try to call out you had better hope no one in a high position of power in America or Israel can benifit from shutting
you up, because they will if they can.

Philip was probably just an average guy. He probably believes CNN and that arabs did 911. He probably thinks America
is a beacon of freedom and truth, and really believed that if his message hit a blog somewhere it would go viral. He
snapped a picture and sent it, knowing his Iphone would send his location. But that did not work, because everything he
believed about American freedom, evil arabs, and everything else CNN pushes was a lie.

There will be no rescue for Philip wood, because the liars, hackers, shills and war department media made good and sure
that will never happen despite the fact that he did get a message out. Phil will have his mind destroyed so he will never
be able to speak up again, and be used to push a mop for the rest of his life if he is lucky.

And if phil managed to get a message out to anyone in his family, they would have been detained or killed instantly and
kept silent, but that probably did not happen because all calls would have been censored. All log ins to any accounts he
had blocked. The only hope for phil was an anonymous blog that did not require log in.



So if you ever find yourself in Phil’s position, REMEMBER THE SHILLS, THE HACKERS, THE LIARS AND CHEATS, they
will number in the thousands and will hatch any lie possible to screw public opinion against you no matter what message
you get out, REMEMBER THEM, THEY WORK FOR A PAYCHECK AND THEY WILL NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU.

BLOCKBUSTER: THIS IS ACCURATE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT: HIJACKED IBM ENGINEER SUCCESSFULLY DIALED OUT OF
DIEGO GARCIA UPDATED WITH QUESTIONS ANSWERED BELOW MAIN STORY

From http://jimstonefreelance.com

Read more...it goes on for 3 pages see
link below...

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/hijacked-ibm-engineer-successfully-dialed-out-of-diego-garcia-2928892.html?currentSplittedPage=1

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/philliplinkdin.png

[Cidersomerset]

A couple of mainstream updates mainly about weather and conditions...

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Published on 3 Apr 2014

Malaysia plane MH370 Pinger locators deployed in search videolarını Angus
Houston, head of Australia's Joint Agency Coordination Centre, outlines the details
of the day's search for MH370.


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Malaysia Airlines MH370 Search Operations in Extreme Weather Conditions

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Published on 4 Apr 2014


Malaysia Airlines MH370 Search Operations in Extreme Weather Conditions
videolarını CNN's Will Ripley gives an overview of the current weather conditions
and how they will affect the search for MH370.

[Bill Ryan]

Sorry Araucaria, but I do have the "luxury" to disagree with you even if you wrote nothing nor opened your mouth. No need for an opinion. Women's privilege.:p
(devious enough?? ;))




I do not agree with you.
You cannot disagree with me dear Flash as I did not express an opinion: there are just too many possibilities. Women can be devious (either withholding or feigning emotions) for good and bad reasons (mostly good, as in your example). And as they are generally more honest than men, a dishonest woman can be a useful weapon (think of Ukraine and Iraq).


Made me laugh. :)

(I agree with both of you...)

[Atlas]

AirAsia apologises for "sarcastic" article amid MH370 tragedy (http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/airasia-apologises-sarcastic-article-amid-mh370-tragedy-20140405)

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In a statement on Saturday, AirAsia Executive Chairman Datuk Kamarudin Meranun said that the article was printed before the tragic incident took place, but will remove the magazine from all flights on AirAsia aircraft immediately.

"With deep regret and remorse I would like to sincerely apologise for any offence caused by the pilot's perspective article in the latest issue of travel 3Sixty magazine," he said.

[araucaria]

Sorry Araucaria, but I do have the "luxury" to disagree with you even if you wrote nothing nor opened your mouth. No need for an opinion. Women's privilege.:p
(devious enough?? ;))




I do not agree with you.
You cannot disagree with me dear Flash as I did not express an opinion: there are just too many possibilities. Women can be devious (either withholding or feigning emotions) for good and bad reasons (mostly good, as in your example). And as they are generally more honest than men, a dishonest woman can be a useful weapon (think of Ukraine and Iraq).


Made me laugh. :)

(I agree with both of you...)
Yes, she/you made my point for me rather well thank you. We have some pretty useful weapons here on Avalon, don't we, ladies? :)

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)



Quote Posted by Flash (here)

Sorry Araucaria, but I do have the "luxury" to disagree with you even if you wrote nothing nor opened your mouth. No need for an opinion. Women's privilege.
(devious enough?? )



Quote Posted by araucaria (here)



Quote Posted by Flash (here)

I do not agree with you.
You cannot disagree with me dear Flash as I did not express an opinion: there are just too many possibilities. Women can be devious (either withholding or feigning emotions) for good and bad reasons (mostly good, as in your example). And as they are generally more honest than men, a dishonest woman can be a useful weapon (think of Ukraine and Iraq).
Made me laugh.





Yes, she/you made my point for me rather well thank you. We have some pretty useful weapons here on Avalon, don't we, ladies?



The woman of House Avalon, noble compassionate and brave......

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and don't mess with Brienne.....

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[Atlas]

A post by the mother of the Iranian passenger: (I added the photos)


one of kind friends translated the text which I've written for those poeple who doesn't know Farsi :

Dear friends, family, Co-workers and all the people I don’t know but have supported me for the past few weeks. I would like to take this opportunity to apologies for grieve this situation has caused everyone.

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The moment I became a mother, I always prayed to God not to take my children from me. But I guess that’s not the case and here I am left to grieve for my son. I am a mother and it is unimaginable how I feel right now. One thing I am happy is that Pouria got to do what he wanted to do. From what I see in his photo, he seems very happy during his week stay in Malaysia and that makes me happy.. I have given up many things in life to ensure my kids happiness and freedom.

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I wish I could see him one more time. But it does not seem possible. I know we will be reunited again in heaven.

I would not be wearing black to grieve for Pouria and I ask my friends and family to do so! Pouria gave his life for his happiness. Therefore we can’t wear black and grieve for he is happy now.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1911908_696082670434554_1663933384_n.jpg

Pouria is very lucky to have left this world at the time when he is loved by so many people, Friends, family and so many of you whom he never met but sent your love and payers for him and tremendous support for me.

Thank you for your kind words, prayers and support over the past two weeks. I wish the best for all of

A tribute to Pouria Nourmohammadi:

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[araucaria]

cautiously saying, something about this woman feels 'off' to me. There seems to be a real spin going on in the way they 'test' the water with the public these days, it is no more an immersion of the finger to check the temprature, but throwing of some large stones that are squirting all over. An alarming new trend seems to be going on since the 'Sandy Hook shooting' which seems to mix the drama of acting school with real life.

From Jeff Rense in the video first posted by giovonni:
She was:

the big boss of Tescom, the top Israeli software testing company … biggest client Rafael Aerospace, which controls remote piloting system and other avionics, advanced drones marketed through Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI). That should tell you something right there.

Thanks Araucaria, I saw that, and may I ask what does it tell you?

Limor, it tells me that this woman is not just the worried outsider she would be if she were engaged in some activity totally unrelated to the issue at hand. She just happens to have been closely involved in the very sector that is under scrutiny here. If this plane was hijacked, it was likely done through some remote piloting system whose software was likely tested by her company. And she was not a cleaning woman at that corporation, she was the managing director with full knowledge and decision-making powers! And her other half just happens to be on that very plane? It has to be just some extraordinary coincidence, for otherwise it would strongly suggest that she has some insider knowledge of what is going on. Of course, I for one cannot say whether this would be as part of the conspiracy or as a whistleblower, or as a whistleblower acting as part of the conspiracy, but all of these are possibilities need to be looked at.

There is also the fact that we are talking about “the big boss of Tescom, the top Israeli software testing company … biggest client Rafael Aerospace”. This is not the same as saying “the big boss of XXX, the top French software testing company … biggest client Airbus Industrie”. It corroborates the story of the Malaysia Airlines 777 stored in Tel Aviv. We now have a direct physical connection linking Israel to the missing plane. (As always, references to Israel are not to your beautiful people, but to their rogue government.) So far, we have discussed this second plane in terms of one or the other being destroyed and the other wheeled out in its place. It occurs to me that the plane in storage may have been needed for access to a full-scale hardware system on which to run software independently of Boeing and the CIA. If this were so, there would have to be another reason why it had to be a Malaysia Airlines 777 (e.g. collusion with someone working there, possibly the pilot). But given my lack of technical expertise, I can only ask questions, others will have to provide answers.

[Atlas]

all of these are possibilities need to be looked at.

Strangely enough, nodisinfo.com say:


she is not Wood’s wife. Rather, she is married to a man of her given name, Stephen Bajc. Moreover, this is no conspiracy, as it is proven by postings likely issued by the Bajc’s themselves:

http://nodisinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/malaysianbajcmossad.png

A cached copy of the webpage is still available here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BVqS8tE742QJ:www.zoominfo.com/p/Stephen-Bajc/1345307911+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

Steve Bajc on LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/steve-bajc/2/418/ab

nodisinfo.com also points out that Sarah appears in a photo posted by Steve Bajc on 4 june 2012 on his Facebook profile (https://www.facebook.com/steve.bajc):

http://nodisinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/472767_425390437482164_1534500777_o-468x351.jpg
Noah, Steve, Ryan, Sarah and Madison Bajc

On 1st november 2009, Steve Bajc posted this:




With my bride in Naples

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Doesn't look like Naples to me (maybe he was just updating his profile with another photo?). Is this the same woman ?

Could he be her ex-husband ? Well I guess so because Sarah's Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/sarah.bajc) is 'Sarah Hamil Bajc' and Steve Bajc posted this on 6 july 2013:




Happy 75th birthday Grandma Jane! – avec Jane C Hamil.

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And also because he says he is now with Lina Li, below at Angel Stadium of Anaheim:

https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/15982_615396878481518_1616731909_n.jpg

Strange story. Here are the kids' facebook profiles:


Ryan Bajc (https://www.facebook.com/ryan.victor.bajc)
Madison Bajc (https://www.facebook.com/madison.bajc)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/t1.0-9/1002755_608111719210034_1908217102_n.jpg
Ryan and Madison Bajc

On April 1st, Sarah Bajc posted "best of luck to you!!!" on Madison's Facebook page, and has Ryan in her Google+ circle (https://plus.google.com/101579966146442164243/about) so they are definitely from the same family.

nodisinfo.com add:


Make no mistake about it Bajc is a fraudster, and absolute fake, although she is also clearly a Mossad mole. She has to virtually bite her lips when she talks. Anyone watching any of her interviews can tell that she’s lying.

Well, not sure though...

http://nodisinfo.com/mossad-clique-busted-in-malaysian-airlines-hoax/
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Edit: Sarah's Youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmVvPT8x6pWPdg12UCbkljA/feed

[superconsciousness]

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[Barry]

From reading Sigma6's post earlier I think this may endorse why the plane "went missing"

I read this article http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/rothschild-inherits-a-semiconductor-patent-for-freescale-semiconductors/


"The disappearance of four members of a patent semiconductor travelling on Malaysia Airlines MH370 makes the famous billionaire Jacob Rothschild at the sole owner of the important patent."

If I was a war maker like the Rothchilds' are known to be I would have no second thoughts about making this plane disappear.

Hope this article is an interesting read for you as it was for me.

Kindest Regards,

Barry

[Atlas]

"The disappearance of four members of a patent semiconductor

The four members did not disappear because they were not on board the aircraft.

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at a press conference on Saturday, acting transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein said:


"Let me touch on some unfounded allegations made against Malaysia.

"These allegations include the extraordinary assertion that Malaysian authorities were somehow complicit in what happened to MH370.

"I would like to state for the record that these allegations are completely untrue.

"As I've said before, the search for MH370 should be above politics, and so I call on all Malaysians to unite, to stand by our armed forces as they work in difficult conditions thousands of miles from home, and to support all those who are working tirelessly in the search for MH370."
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[SilentFeathers]

From reading Sigma6's post earlier I think this may endorse why the plane "went missing"

I read this article http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/rothschild-inherits-a-semiconductor-patent-for-freescale-semiconductors/


"The disappearance of four members of a patent semiconductor travelling on Malaysia Airlines MH370 makes the famous billionaire Jacob Rothschild at the sole owner of the important patent."

If I was a war maker like the Rothchilds' are known to be I would have no second thoughts about making this plane disappear.

Hope this article is an interesting read for you as it was for me.

Kindest Regards,

Barry

They were not on the plane....

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[Barry]

oops sorry, new to forums did not realise there are 57 pages to this thread so far.

I posted after page 1

But Thanks I did not know they where not on the plane

Thanks NightOwl and buares

[Atlas]

New TV interview with Sarah Bajc aka Sarah Hamil:

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In a strange twist of events Sara Bajc, the girlfriend of missing flight 370 passenger Phillip Wood, told CNN how the Malaysian military and even the U.S. are likely involved in a massive cover-up surrounding the aircrafts disappearance on the morning of Mar. 8.

Astonishingly Bajc told CNN, “The jet [flight 370] had actually been accompanied by fighter planes, there is some witness to that.”.

“I think we need to have a better view into where that plane went and who has got it now”, Bajc told CNN going on to explain how she felt her boyfriend Phillip Wood was still alive somewhere. Bajc also pointed out that the general consensus amongst family members also leans toward the plane still being intact somewhere, alluding to a militarized operation.

“I am sure that the military in Malaysia knew that plane was there and has tracked that plane in some way. Now whether they were in control of it or not we don’t know. Many people are saying that the United States is involved [...] but the general thinking across the families here and even non-families [...] believe this was a military operation of some sort.”, said Bajc.

http://intellihub.com/girlfriend-370-passenger-wood-fighter-jets-accompanied-flight-370-secret-militarized-operation-husband-still-alive/
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If you live in Malaysia or anywhere around here in southeast asia, you would know that it is totally possible that the Malaysian military ignored MH370 going over their airspace. In fact it is highly likely that it happened. It's really typical of the incompetent Malaysia.

[panopticon]

Evidently something is happening in the search for MH370 (according to CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/05/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/)):


A Chinese patrol ship has discovered Saturday a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5 kHz in the southern Indian Ocean, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Let's see where this goes.

-- Pan

Update reported 37.5kHz is the correct frequency for a black box. The ship that has been reported as locating the signal is in the North of the search area.

No confirmation from Australian authorities as of yet (though it has been reported that they are aware of the Chinese report and no denial has come as of yet).

[Hervé]

Here's the real "Mystery" of MH370:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/mh370-questions.jpg

Not included or omitted from that summary:

Possible Fire Suppression Bottle of an aircraft lands on Maldives beach (http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence)

On 25 March, a mysterious object, possibly a fire suppression bottle of an aircraft washed up ashore at Baarah, Maldives. Islanders first thought of it as a bomb and reported to authorities. The Maldives military has said its not an explosive device, but did not confirm if it was fire suppression bottle as people suspected or otherwise. Here are the updates over the past days.


5 Apr 2014
We still have no updates on the object. We have written a possible hypothesis Why authorities keep shut over possible fire suppression bottle found in Maldives (http://www.maldivesfinest.com/fire-suppression-bottle)


Why authorities keep shut over possible fire suppression bottle found in Maldives

5 Apr 2014:
[...]

The case of unknown object washed up ashore at Baarah (http://www.maldivesfinest.com/mh370-evidence) was progressing fast, just like any other, till an aircraft engineer said it looked like fire suppression bottle of an aircraft. That was the turning point. Updates stopped and media-friendly military kept shut. But, why?2 Apr 2014
We have not gotten any additional information about the possible fire suppression bottle found washed up on Maldives beach. It is now rising questions why the authorities are not releasing updated information on this object. Are they simply trying to ignore the fact that an object possibly belonging to MH370 has been found? Or the authorities want the world to focus on the depths of massive oceans just to say, at last, the plane may never be found? We cant believe Boeing and the Malaysian authorities are not aware of this object. Why have not they said anything so far?

Why are the major news networks not reporting this? May be they dont like reaching it to any conclusion. So that they can keep reporting "may be" or just the daily "search planes take off from Path" for as long as they can.


We need your help
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31 Mar 2014
We have contacted the spokesperson of the Maldives National Defence Force, Major Hussain Ali, but we did not get any additional information about the object. When asked about pictures being sent to Boeing, the spokesperson said that he cant confirm that and he does not have any additional update of the investigation. We told him that we will be calling him tomorrow and we are very much in need of fresh information on the investigation of the object.


http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fire-bottle-2.jpg
Photo: unknown object on the beach

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fire-bottle-1.jpg
Photo: Object close-up shot

29 Mar 2014: Unconfirmed reports say the Maldives military has sent pictures of the object to Boeing. We are unable to independently confirm the report, but the report appears to be credible. We will be in touch with military probably tomorrow.


Exclusive to Maldivesfinest

27 Mar 2014:
The spokesperson of the Maldives National Defence Force, Major Hussain Ali, has confirmed to Maldivesfinest that they are aware of the talk relating object with missing MH370. When asked if the MNDF is in touch with Malaysian Authorities or the Airline, the spokesperson declined to confirm but said they are in touch with the 'relevant authorities'. When requested to grant access to our staff to photograph the object, the officer declined to give that chance. But, its likely that the military would soon release an update. We are monitoring the developments and will update the story when there is new information available.

P.S.: Authorities or international media who would like to verify authenticity of this news may contact Maldivesfinest and we shall provide the contact details of the Maldives military. We will also tell you how to verify these contacts, so you know that you are speaking to Maldives military, without a doubt.


26 Mar 2014
A mysterious object was found washed up on beach of Baarah island in the Maldives yesterday. The villagers reported it to police who then handed over the case to Maldives military. After investigation the Maldives Defence Force has said its not a bomb or any kind of explosive device. Read full story published earlier. (http://www.maldivesfinest.com/bomb-on-beach)

An aircraft engineer from Maldives has now said the mysterious object is likely to be a Fire Suppression Bottle of an aircraft. The engineer could not say if it is the type used in Boeing 777 model as he did not personally inspect the object. Meanwhile, we have received multiple messages from readers saying that it looks like plane's fire extinguisher and requested to report to authorities.

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/bomb-in-maldives.jpg
Photo: Object found on Maldives beach

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fire-suppression-bottle-maldives.jpg
Photo: A fire suppression bottle of an aircraft. Source: aircraftengineering.wordpress.com

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/mh370-debris-maldives.png
Location of Baarah in the Maldives map

This object got landed on Maldives beach amid a multinational team looks for missing Malaysian Flight MH370 which is now believed to be gone down in the Indian Ocean. There has been countless satellite images of possible debris from the missing jet, but so far authorities have failed to find actual debris. If this fire suppression bottle belongs to the missing plane it would be the first piece of hard evidence.

We have earlier reported that an islander from Kudahuvadhoo island claimed to have sighted a low-flying aircraft of the similar size as Boeing 777. Maldives authorities investigated and said the claim not valid. Read full story - Residents claim to have seen low-flying aircraft in Maldives (http://www.maldivesfinest.com/seen-mh370-in-maldives)

The object is currently held in the Northern Command of the Maldives National Defence Force.


A key to unlock the mystery
If this object turns out to be part of missing flight, it may suggest that the plane was smashed on touch down or blown to piece in midair. At present, we dont know if it was used one or still have gas. The bottle's connection to missing flight and amount of gas in it could be a key to unlock the mystery behind the plane's disappearance.

[panopticon]

Evidently something is happening in the search for MH370 (according to CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/05/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/)):


A Chinese patrol ship has discovered Saturday a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5 kHz in the southern Indian Ocean, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Let's see where this goes.

-- Pan

Update reported 37.5kHz is the correct frequency for a black box. The ship that has been reported as locating the signal is in the North of the search area.

No confirmation from Australian authorities as of yet (though it has been reported that they are aware of the Chinese report and no denial has come as of yet).

Chinese ships location:
25.58 S, 101.26 E (Source (http://www.jfdaily.com/shouye/focus/201404/t20140405_234374.html))

From Xinhua:


Chinese search vessels discovers pulse signal in Indian Ocean

ABOARD PATROL SHIP HAIXUN 01, April 5 (Xinhua) -- Chinese patrol ship Haixun 01, searching for the missing Malaysian passenger jet MH370, detected a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5kHz per second in southern Indian Ocean waters Saturday.

A black box detector deployed by the Haixun 01 picked up the signal at around 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longtitude. It is yet to be established whether it is related to the missing jet.
Source (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-04/05/c_133241023.htm)

Australian officials are still unwilling to comment about this. There are references to not wanting to upset family and friends of those who were on MH370 if this turns out to be something unrelated to the flight.

[Operator]

'Black box Boeing localized'

A Chinese ship may have picked up signals from the black box of the missing Boeing Malaysia Airlines in the Indian Ocean. There would also be white debris are seen near that spot.

It is not yet confirmed that it actually is the black box of missing flight MH370. Reported by the Chinese news agency Xinhua.


Google Translate

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/22474699/___Zwarte_doos_gelokaliseerd___.html

Here ya go ... another indication of a 'last minute' find of the black box pinger.
I have worked on a passive sonar (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69970-The-Expert-how-an-engineer-fits-in-the-corporate-world&p=816412&viewfull=1#post816412), propagation of sound in sea water is very good.

If they really wanted to locate that pinger they should have done so immediately ...
SAR and navy planes can drop off buoys to listen for submarines and pingers like
this. They can scan vast areas in a couple of hours.
In case of submarines there are emergency pingers mounted on the escape hatches
to locate them exactly and land a rescue vehicle over the hatch.

Interesting article about these pingers here (http://www.hydro-international.com/issues/articles/id1130-Deepwater_Black_Box_Retrieval.html).

[Atlas]

Loop during air turn back untrue, says DCA (http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/mh370-loop-during-air-turn-back-untrue-says-dca-33280)

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH370 did not make an air turn back that resembled a loop, clarified the Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) on Saturday.

http://img.astroawani.com/2014-03/61396164824_295x200.jpg

DCA director-general Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said images that have surfaced, of a circular turn to the right, which was apparently briefed to Chinese families recently, was untrue.

“The manner that the aircraft make the turn as reported in Beijing to the next of kin, is not true. The aircraft does not make a loop and turn to the left. It’s not true,” Azharuddin said.

The images, which was believed to have been prepared by the government for families, had contradicted previous assumption that the aircraft had made a left turn.

[panopticon]

I just had a look at those co-ordinates and, if accurate, the location is a lot further North than the search area. What were they doing that far North?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=25452&d=1396702895

-- Pan

[Atlas]

Boeing should have the technical capacities to significantly contribute to MH370's search and rescue operation.

It is not acceptable for Rolls-Royce being the engine maker of an engine that costs more than RM500 million to not have the technology to track the engine from the plane.

MAS spend a great deal of money to secure the best services from both Boeing and Rolls-Royce but when this incident happened, both of them seemed to have clammed up.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-mh370-tragedy-font-rolls-royce-boeing-should-be-more-involved-1.551330

[Cidersomerset]

In a strange twist of events Sara Bajc, the girlfriend of missing flight 370 passenger Phillip Wood, told CNN how the Malaysian military and even the U.S. are likely involved in a massive cover-up surrounding the aircrafts disappearance on the morning of Mar. 8.

Astonishingly Bajc told CNN, “The jet [flight 370] had actually been accompanied by fighter planes, there is some witness to that.”.

“I think we need to have a better view into where that plane went and who has got it now”, Bajc told CNN going on to explain how she felt her boyfriend Phillip Wood was still alive somewhere. Bajc also pointed out that the general consensus amongst family members also leans toward the plane still being intact somewhere, alluding to a militarized operation.

“I am sure that the military in Malaysia knew that plane was there and has tracked
that plane in some way. Now whether they were in control of it or not we don’t
know. Many people are saying that the United States is involved [...] but the
general thinking across the families here and even non-families [...] believe this
was a military operation of some sort.”, said Bajc.

I think she made it clear that she is not sticking up for any government......

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5 April 2014 Last updated at 13:45

Malaysia missing plane search China ship 'picks up signal'

A Chinese ship searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in the southern
Indian Ocean has picked up a pulse signal, Chinese media say.

They say the signal has a frequency of 37.5kHz per second - the same as those
emitted by the flight recorders.

However there is no evidence so far that it is linked to MH370.

Dozens of ships and planes have joined the search, with the operation moving into
its most intensive phase before batteries on the data recorders fade.

On Saturday the Haixun 01 - one of two Chinese ships in the area - picked up the
signal at about 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longitude, the state-
run Xinhua news agency said.

"It is yet to be established whether it is related to the missing jet," it cautioned.

China's Liberation Daily reported that three people on board had heard the signals,
which were not recorded as they came suddenly.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26902127

[Bill Ryan]

I just had a look at those co-ordinates and, if accurate, the location is a lot further North than the search area. What were they doing that far North?




Denied high-tech info from the American surveillance apparatus (and why might that be?!), the search team coordination function is basically guessing.

They may know how much fuel was on board, but (a) cruising speed and (b) altitude are major, major unknown variables that affect the plane's possible duration in the air by thousands of miles each way.

See this extremely important post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=817243&viewfull=1#post817243) for how the conclusion that the plane must have flown south (not north) was based ONLY on INMARSAT's assumption about the cruising speed. I've not yet seen this very important analysis copied and discussed elsewhere.

[Ahnung-quay]

There are several satellite blackouts at that location on Google Earth.

[panopticon]

I just had a look at those co-ordinates and, if accurate, the location is a lot further North than the search area. What were they doing that far North?




Denied high-tech info from the American surveillance apparatus (and why might that be?!), the search team coordination function is basically guessing.

They may know how much fuel was on board, but (a) cruising speed and (b) altitude are major, major unknown variables that affect the plane's possible duration in the air by thousands of miles each way.

See this extremely important post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=817243&viewfull=1#post817243) for how the conclusion that the plane must have flown south (not north) was based ONLY on INMARSAT's assumption about the cruising speed. I've not yet seen this very important analysis copied and discussed elsewhere.

I get that Bill.

Edit: the search area was split yesterday and the second search area is within the region that the Chinese vessels located the signal.

[Hervé]

The more I look at these INMARSAT data the more convinced I am that they are less than valid and reliable and may be part of an intentional misdirect.

So far, the only certainties there are, are as follows:



a Boeing 777 with its passengers and crew "vanished" from radar tracking after a U-turn and communication disconnection
the plane's engines kept pinging RR detection network for 7 more hours

... and... that's that!


Dismissed, are eye witnesses of a low flying jet over the Maldives as well as a fire suppression container (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=818797&viewfull=1#post818797) likely to be from an airplane:

Residents claim to have seen low-flying aircraft in Maldives (http://www.maldivesfinest.com/seen-mh370-in-maldives)

Some residents of Kudahuvadhoo Island in the Maldives have claimed to have seen a large low-flying aircraft, around 6.15am (Maldives time: GMT+5hrs). Any international flight passing over that island would be highly unusual and domestic transport uses small aircrafts. Police has now started an investigation.

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-mh370-maldives.png


Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)

By Daniel Bosley (http://minivannews.com/author/daniel-bosley/) | March 18th, 2014 |


http://minivannews.com/cmsMUIH10/../files/2014/03/Boeing_777-200ER_Malaysia_AL_MAS_9M-MRO_-_MSN_28420_404_9272090094.jpg (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)


With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan

Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

“It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.

“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.

[Atlas]

Update from Duncan Steel:

Ping Rings from the Inmarsat-3F1 Data (http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/549)

Here is a large view that covers all feasible end points for MH370. Note that in this projection the ping rings are by no means circular: all maps are distorted in one way or another, and this projection keeps all meridians (lines of longitude) equally spaced regardless of the latitude. Note also the black dots showing the sub-satellite points at the different times: yes, the satellite moves/drifts:

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ping-Rings-2D.png

Here is a close-up covering the area of the early part of the flight of MH370, with a good margin around, just in case it is useful to people thinking about a path taken that did not go very far:

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/PR-2D-b.png

Having these range rings early on would have helped to stop some wild speculation, and also suggested paths that can now be seen to be non-viable with fuller information (assuming that these ping rings are correct).

For example, consider the final two range rings, at 22:40 and 00:11 UTC. They are not quite concentric, but for present purposes it is adequate to assume that they are. Their radii are 2206 and 2652 nautical miles. The difference between those figures is 446 nautical miles, and the aircraft took 91 minutes to fly between those rings. That means that the lowest speed it could have had at that time would have been near 294 knots. For that to be the case, it would have needed to be flying such that it was taking the shortest route between each ring (i.e. flying perpendicular to each).

At any other angle the speed would have been higher. Taking into account the approximations made, one might take 290-300 knots as being the minimum speed in the latter part (the last 90 minutes or so) of the flight. Following from previous posts and considerations, it is perhaps a valid assumption that the aircraft was being flown for the last several hours of its flight by the autopilot; and at a constant speed, which we have seen was at least 290-300 knots.

[...]

From this one gets the idea of a path which, compared to the ping rings, is gradually turning (but is also a great circle from its start point) so as to cut the rings at increasing angles, culminating in the largest angle being at the outermost rings. This would also be in accord with the Doppler evidence: the speed away from the satellite keeps increasing.

Full post: http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/549

[Atlas]

I have superimposed Duncan's ping rings with another map showing the oil rig worker's sighting and I can't help but notice the coincidence between the last ping ring and the alleged asteroid sighting...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/mh370-kiwi-rig2.jpg

Amazingly, on this map, the distance between the "military radar" and the "civilian radar" is EXACTLY the same as the distance between the "civilian radar" and the "oil rig worker spotting" ! :shocked:

[Generous]

History may be repeating itself here.
Remember Egypt Air flight 990 crash in 1999. Egyptian military servicemen had just completed a 3 year training exercise in the US and were heading home on that flight. You do the math

http://www.enterprisemission.com/egyptair3.htm
http://www.rense.com/general14/egyptair990.htm

[Cidersomerset]

BBzqFCmgfoU

Published on 5 Apr 2014


A Chinese ship searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in the
southern Indian Ocean has picked up a pulse signal, Chinese media say.

Oceanographer Dr Simon Boxall told BBC News that the 37.5kHz frequency
was used by other devices, but if it proved to be emitted by MH370's flight
recorder then the search would go "from virtually the impossible to the plausible".

"If this is the pulse, you're going from tens of thousands of miles to tens
of miles... this becomes a viable search region."

[Rocky_Shorz]

The more I look at these INMARSAT data the more convinced I am that they are less than valid and reliable and may be part of an intentional misdirect.

So far, the only certainties there are, are as follows:



a Boeing 777 with its passengers and crew "vanished" from radar tracking after a U-turn and communication disconnection
the plane's engines kept pinging RR detection network for 7 more hours

... and... that's that!


Dismissed, are eye witnesses of a low flying jet over the Maldives as well as a fire suppression container (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=818797&viewfull=1#post818797) likely to be from an airplane:

Residents claim to have seen low-flying aircraft in Maldives (http://www.maldivesfinest.com/seen-mh370-in-maldives)

Some residents of Kudahuvadhoo Island in the Maldives have claimed to have seen a large low-flying aircraft, around 6.15am (Maldives time: GMT+5hrs). Any international flight passing over that island would be highly unusual and domestic transport uses small aircrafts. Police has now started an investigation.

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-mh370-maldives.png


Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)

By Daniel Bosley (http://minivannews.com/author/daniel-bosley/) | March 18th, 2014 |


http://minivannews.com/cmsMUIH10/../files/2014/03/Boeing_777-200ER_Malaysia_AL_MAS_9M-MRO_-_MSN_28420_404_9272090094.jpg (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)


With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan

Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

“It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.

“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.

where was the fire suppression bottle found in relation to the sighting?

[Hervé]

Would his majesty condescend to follow the links provided?

[Flash]

The more I look at these INMARSAT data the more convinced I am that they are less than valid and reliable and may be part of an intentional misdirect.

So far, the only certainties there are, are as follows:



a Boeing 777 with its passengers and crew "vanished" from radar tracking after a U-turn and communication disconnection
the plane's engines kept pinging RR detection network for 7 more hours

... and... that's that!


Dismissed, are eye witnesses of a low flying jet over the Maldives as well as a fire suppression container (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=818797&viewfull=1#post818797) likely to be from an airplane:

Residents claim to have seen low-flying aircraft in Maldives (http://www.maldivesfinest.com/seen-mh370-in-maldives)

Some residents of Kudahuvadhoo Island in the Maldives have claimed to have seen a large low-flying aircraft, around 6.15am (Maldives time: GMT+5hrs). Any international flight passing over that island would be highly unusual and domestic transport uses small aircrafts. Police has now started an investigation.

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-mh370-maldives.png


Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)

By Daniel Bosley (http://minivannews.com/author/daniel-bosley/) | March 18th, 2014 |


http://minivannews.com/cmsMUIH10/../files/2014/03/Boeing_777-200ER_Malaysia_AL_MAS_9M-MRO_-_MSN_28420_404_9272090094.jpg (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)


With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan

Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

“It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.

“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.

where was the fire suppression bottle found in relation to the sighting?

Maldives and Maldives


Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268

[Atlas]

where was the fire suppression bottle found in relation to the sighting?

The red dot is the fire suppression bottle and the green dot is the sighting:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/maldives-fire-bottle.jpg

[Rocky_Shorz]

he wasn't landing at male, he was attempting to drop into kadhdhoo airport with a wounded plane...

onboard fire, communications out, and he had one small landing strip right in front of him when the natives heard the low flying plane...

http://laamudiveandsurf.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/airport.jpg

that landing strip is the Island below the green dot...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/maldives-fire-bottle.jpg

the bottom black line on the flight path is the island

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-mh370-maldives.png


to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, suddenly an official story appeared...



The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
March 29, 2014
tags: flight 173 mH 370 maldives 615 am 8 mar 2014 INMARSAT satellite data jacksons intl airport flight 55093 N13979 Google Maps, flight MH370 pings maldives indian ocean hong kong gulf of guinea march 2014 flight 173, maldives mar 8 2014 flight 173 and flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport no Radar - pings INMARSAT SATELLITE with ACAS, N13979 Google Maps (1), no Radar flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport eyewitness 8 mar 2014 615 am lands 620 am defense military technology Google Maps (2), The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar - National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport

link (http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.wordpress.com/2014/03/29/the-maldives-where-flight-mh370-was-seen-8-mar-2014-615-am-not-picked-up-by-radar-national-defense-force-or-kadhdhoo-airport/)

and yes you read that right...

seen 6:15

Lands 6:20...

http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/flight-mh370-pings-maldives-indian-ocean-hong-kong-gulf-of-guinea-march-2014-flight-173-n13979-google-maps-1.png?w=600&h=289

final pings for flight 370 was 10 days after the disappearance?

one of the whistle blowers mentioned setting off the landslide in Africa that would create a mass tsunami that would hit US East coast...

can a plane be made into a big enough explosion to really set that off?


from Rense 10 years ago...

"What most don't know, however, is that on one of the Canary Islands lies a major global catastrophe in the making, a natural disaster so big that it could flatten the Atlantic coastlines of Britain, Europe, North Africa and the United States of America and cause enormous damage to London and other UK cities. Scattered across the world,s oceans are a handful of rare geological time-bombs which, once unleashed, create an extraordinary phenomenon, a gigantic tidal wave, called a Mega Tsunami. These are able to cross oceans and ravage countries on the other side of the world. The word Tsunami derives from the Japanese for harbour wave. They are normally generated by offshore earthquakes, sub-marine landslides and undersea volcanic activity, and range from barely perceptible waves to walls of water up to 300 feet high.

Recently, scientists have realised that the next Mega Tsunami is likely to begin on one of the Canary Islands, off the coast of North Africa, where a wall of water will one day race across the entire Atlantic Ocean at the speed of a jet airliner to devastate the east coast of the United States, the Caribbean and Brazil. link (http://www.rense.com/general56/tsu.htm)"

[Tesseract]

With a frequency detected that matches the black box output, they ought to locate floating debris (if there is any) within the next 24 h. I do not at all understand what is behind the comments that the noise could well be something else, 37.5 kHz is in the ultrasound region of the spectrum... today I read that a dolphin can make sounds up to 150 kHz, but what are the chances one would start clicking away at exactly 37.5 kHz? Perhaps commentators are just being over-conservative given all the false leads that have occurred so far.

I imagine the search teams know the pulse rate of the black box sonic device as well, and if that matches then there really is no other explanation [aside from someone deliberately mimicking the signal]. I read that the signal has been detected two days in a row - they should have enough data to be able to predict with reasonable accuracy where the black box is resting on the sea bed.

[panopticon]

Media release from the Australian Joint Agency Coordination Centre on the signal detected yesterday by the Chinese vessel.

Houston, the head of the Australian task force, is giving an update atm. Evidently the signal detected has been re-acquired by the Chinese vessel.

Houston just told the media off, though I'm not sure they would have understood what he was saying. He said that over the coming days, weeks and months there may be unconfirmed reports. He asked the media to not report unconfirmed reports as fact as it may cause family & friends of those missing distress.

Evidently the signal was first detected 36 hours ago. It was a single signal. 24 hours later and 2 km from where the first signal was acquired it was re-acquired, again a single acoustic signal event. The water at the site of Haixun 01 is 4500 metres deep.

There has been another acoustic signal detected by Ocean Shield in another location about an hour ago. It will be at least 24 hours before Ocean Shield can get to the location of the Haixun 01 (about 300 nm away) if the signal the Ocean Shield is presently investigating is found to not be related to MH370.

Houston just said that these signals are not continuous transmissions. The two signals detections by Haixun 01 have only been between 1 and 2 minutes in length and 24 hours apart. The Ocean Shield signal is going to be investigated before it relocates to the Haixun 01 location.

Also the satellite data is being re-analysed (again) and perhaps MH370 may have been going faster than anticipated and possibly in the vicinity of the Haixun 01. (Making the data fit the observations?)

Houston is a professional but he's looking a bit frustrated.

###

Media Reporting on Chinese Ship Detection of Electronic Pulse Signals (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr010.aspx)
Media Release, 5 April 2014—pm

The Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), said reports that the Chinese ship, Haixun 01, had detected electronic pulse signals in the Indian Ocean related to MH370 could not be verified at this point in time.

“I have been advised that a series of sounds have been detected by a Chinese ship in the search area. The characteristics reported are consistent with the aircraft black box. A number of white objects were also sighted on the surface about 90 kilometres from the detection area. However, there is no confirmation at this stage that the signals and the objects are related to the missing aircraft,“ Air Chief Marshal Houston (Ret'd) said.

“Advice tonight from the Australian Maritime Safety Authority's Rescue Coordination Centre (RCC) and the Australian Transport Safety Bureau is that they cannot verify any connection to the missing aircraft.

“The RCC in Australia has spoken to the RCC in China and asked for any further information that may be relevant.

“The deployment of RAAF assets to the area where the Chinese ship detected the sounds is being considered.

“I will provide further updates if, and when, more information becomes available.”

Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr010.aspx)

[heretogrow]

he wasn't landing at male, he was attempting to drop into kadhdhoo airport with a wounded plane...

onboard fire, communications out, and he had one small landing strip right in front of him when the natives heard the low flying plane...

http://laamudiveandsurf.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/airport.jpg

that landing strip is the Island below the green dot...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/maldives-fire-bottle.jpg

the bottom black line on the flight path is the island

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-mh370-maldives.png


to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, suddenly an official story appeared...



The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
March 29, 2014
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and yes you read that right...

seen 6:15

Lands 6:20...

http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/flight-mh370-pings-maldives-indian-ocean-hong-kong-gulf-of-guinea-march-2014-flight-173-n13979-google-maps-1.png?w=600&h=289

one of the whistleblowers mentioned setting off the landslide in Africa that would create a mass tsunami that would hit US East coast...

can a plane be made into a big enough explosion to really set that off?


from Rense 10 years ago...

"What most don't know, however, is that on one of the Canary Islands lies a major global catastrophe in the making, a natural disaster so big that it could flatten the Atlantic coastlines of Britain, Europe, North Africa and the United States of America and cause enormous damage to London and other UK cities. Scattered across the world,s oceans are a handful of rare geological time-bombs which, once unleashed, create an extraordinary phenomenon, a gigantic tidal wave, called a Mega Tsunami. These are able to cross oceans and ravage countries on the other side of the world. The word Tsunami derives from the Japanese for harbour wave. They are normally generated by offshore earthquakes, sub-marine landslides and undersea volcanic activity, and range from barely perceptible waves to walls of water up to 300 feet high.

Recently, scientists have realised that the next Mega Tsunami is likely to begin on one of the Canary Islands, off the coast of North Africa, where a wall of water will one day race across the entire Atlantic Ocean at the speed of a jet airliner to devastate the east coast of the United States, the Caribbean and Brazil. link (http://www.rense.com/general56/tsu.htm)"

Oh my! There are so many brighter minds here than mine, and I am so grateful for that! Could this plane have been weaponized to set off the Global Coastal Event that Cliff High's Half Past Human website has been predicting for a long time now. If so, let us go to work to change that timeline now!

[panopticon]

So there has been 3 separate detections of a signal. 2 from the Chinese vessel (Haixun 01) and one (in a different location approximately 300nm away from the Haixun 01) within the last 90 minutes by the Ocean Shield. The signal lengths are very short (less than 90 seconds) and not continuous. In addition the signals detected by the Haixun 01 were 24 hours apart.

The Ocean Shield will investigate the signal it has detected and then, if required, move to the location of Haixun 01 (this will take at least 24 hours).

Also, the satellite data has been re-evaluated (shock horror) and it is thought that MH370 may have been travelling faster than anticipated making the location of the Haixun 01 a viable location...

-- Pan

[Tesseract]

Was just watching the press conference with Angus Houston, he repeatedly tried to compare the difficulty in verifying an audio signal with that of verifying a visual signal - which is a complete nonsense. When asked what else could present a 37.5 kHz signal he refused to answer the question. When asked what was the frequency of the signal detected by the Australian ship he refused to answer the question, he was then asked again by someone else and admitted he didn't know that yet, and didn't even acknowledge that the frequency was of importance.

[panopticon]

Was just watching the press conference with Angus Houston, he repeatedly tried to compare the difficulty in verifying an audio signal with that of verifying a visual signal - which is a complete nonsense. When asked what else could present a 37.5 kHz signal he refused to answer the question. When asked what was the frequency of the signal detected by the Australian ship he refused to answer the question, he was then asked again by someone else and admitted he didn't know that yet, and didn't even acknowledge that the frequency was of importance.

Yeah, saw the same report. My interpretation of what Houston was saying when it came to comparing the visual and audio was to let the media know to back off and let the search teams do their job. The comparison was not meant, I don't think, to relate any similarity between the visual search and the signals detected other than there could be false leads that need to be treated carefully. He repeated a number of times that he would like unconfirmed reports to not be reported as fact so as to not harm the family & friends of those missing.

I agree that he didn't answer the question about what else could produce a signal @ 37.5 kHz (I thought that frequency was chosen because there wasn't anything else that uses it [natural or not]) however saying he refused to answer what frequency the signal was detected by Ocean Shield I think misrepresents what he said. He said he hadn't been advised what the frequency was however re-iterated that the signal detected was viewed as a potential lead. He also said that the information had only just been reported to him and he was relating it so as to explain why the Ocean Shield wasn't moving straight away to the Haixun 01's position.

-- Pan

[Rocky_Shorz]

he wasn't landing at male, he was attempting to drop into kadhdhoo airport with a wounded plane...

onboard fire, communications out, and he had one small landing strip right in front of him when the natives heard the low flying plane...

http://laamudiveandsurf.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/airport.jpg

that landing strip is the Island below the green dot...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/maldives-fire-bottle.jpg

the bottom black line on the flight path is the island

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-mh370-maldives.png


to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, suddenly an official story appeared...



The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
March 29, 2014
tags: flight 173 mH 370 maldives 615 am 8 mar 2014 INMARSAT satellite data jacksons intl airport flight 55093 N13979 Google Maps, flight MH370 pings maldives indian ocean hong kong gulf of guinea march 2014 flight 173, maldives mar 8 2014 flight 173 and flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport no Radar - pings INMARSAT SATELLITE with ACAS, N13979 Google Maps (1), no Radar flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport eyewitness 8 mar 2014 615 am lands 620 am defense military technology Google Maps (2), The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar - National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport

link (http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.wordpress.com/2014/03/29/the-maldives-where-flight-mh370-was-seen-8-mar-2014-615-am-not-picked-up-by-radar-national-defense-force-or-kadhdhoo-airport/)

and yes you read that right...

seen 6:15

Lands 6:20...

http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/flight-mh370-pings-maldives-indian-ocean-hong-kong-gulf-of-guinea-march-2014-flight-173-n13979-google-maps-1.png?w=600&h=289

one of the whistleblowers mentioned setting off the landslide in Africa that would create a mass tsunami that would hit US East coast...

can a plane be made into a big enough explosion to really set that off?


from Rense 10 years ago...

"What most don't know, however, is that on one of the Canary Islands lies a major global catastrophe in the making, a natural disaster so big that it could flatten the Atlantic coastlines of Britain, Europe, North Africa and the United States of America and cause enormous damage to London and other UK cities. Scattered across the world,s oceans are a handful of rare geological time-bombs which, once unleashed, create an extraordinary phenomenon, a gigantic tidal wave, called a Mega Tsunami. These are able to cross oceans and ravage countries on the other side of the world. The word Tsunami derives from the Japanese for harbour wave. They are normally generated by offshore earthquakes, sub-marine landslides and undersea volcanic activity, and range from barely perceptible waves to walls of water up to 300 feet high.

Recently, scientists have realised that the next Mega Tsunami is likely to begin on one of the Canary Islands, off the coast of North Africa, where a wall of water will one day race across the entire Atlantic Ocean at the speed of a jet airliner to devastate the east coast of the United States, the Caribbean and Brazil. link (http://www.rense.com/general56/tsu.htm)"

Oh my! There are so many brighter minds here than mine, and I am so grateful for that! Could this plane have been weaponized to set off the Global Coastal Event that Cliff High's Half Past Human website has been predicting for a long time now. If so, let us go to work to change that timeline now!

this was the first time I heard that the flight pinged 10 days later, but wait, it was in the air over the US on the 22nd? Did it fly the cargo back?

remember the headline "March 21, 2014 Malaysia Airlines “Suspicious Cargo” Destroyed In Massive New Mexico Explosion"

http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/flgiht-n13979-pings-mh370-involved-in-crash-mar-22-2014-jimmy-hill-airport-cafe-colorado-usa-google-maps.png?w=900&h=435

I've never heard of these other pings, does anyone know anywhere to confirm the info?

could a jet used in cloaking or running ping diversion have been flown back to Colorado without changing it's signal back?

[Roisin]

I think at this point in the game, it would be fair to say that they have found that plane as indicated by those black box pings. And even if the pings stop pinging, which, according to the experts should be very soon, regardless if they are not able to locate that plane at the bottom of the ocean anywhere in that area where those pings are being picked up now, the official announcement about the demise of that plane will be that it crashed into the ocean due to mechanical failure probably as a result of a fire. Of course, we'll never know the details on that and if the fire was started intentionally or not but rest assured, there are no survivors in this incident.

[Atlas]

A senior Malaysian government source told CNN that Flight 370 flew around Indonesian airspace after it dropped off Malaysian military radar. The plane may have been intentionally taken along a route designed to avoid radar detection, the source said.

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[Roisin]

So from that report, we could surmise that:
* The plane was not controlled via remote
* The plane was hijacked
* Whomever was flying it was a trained 777 pilot
* That possibly it was one of the original pilots of that plane but maybe he had a gun to his head and didn't have much choice in the matter wrt doing what the hijacker wanted.
* That the airliner ran out of fuel and ended up crashing into the ocean?
* Or the hijacker ordered the pilot to dive into the ocean?
* Or maybe that was the decision of the pilot because by that time he didn't see any other options?

Ques: So they flew around Indonesia to avoid radars just to crash in the Indian Ocean? If they planned on diving into the ocean anyway, why bother avoiding radars?

[Atlas]

Malaysian police trawl through CCTV recordings for clues (http://www.stasiareport.com/breaking-news/se-asia/story/malaysian-police-trawl-through-cctv-recordings-clues-mh370-20140406)

Police on Wednesday said they had "obtained some clues" on what might have happened to the flight, based on the statements recorded from more than 170 people. This number is climbing. It was the same day that they cleared all 227 passengers of the flight. They, however, did not give the same clearance to the aircraft's crew. Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar had said police were looking at the crew of the flight, as the main "subjects of investigations".

Among visuals extracted from the CCTV recordings were that of a senior crew member who had a cigarette before the six-hour flight to Beijing. This visual was taken from the only available smoking area of the airport, located in its Satellite Building's East Zone. After checking in, some two hours before the flight, many of those on board the plane had at some point made contact through their phones. Some of the passengers took the opportunity to shop for souvenirs.

Among those traced through the recordings were the two Iranians who went on board using assumed identities. Investigators combing the recordings, first spotted them at the toll plaza in separate vehicles.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/11/1394539387388/c6e758a8-aa17-42de-b1f7-387f9138de6a-620x449.jpeg

"One was in a taxi while the other was sent by a friend in a Proton Satria ... the vehicles stopped near each other and they walked in the same direction separately. They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands, but after that they again kept a distance from each other, they were very calm throughout. Their hands were glued to their phones, texting non-stop ..."

The recordings also traced the 19 Chinese artists and calligraphers, the second largest group that were travelling together on MH370. After a visit to the the city centre in the scorching heat that Friday, they arrived at the airport much earlier before they checked-in. As the group of artists reached the boarding gate, the head of their delegation, Hou Bo, received a call from their Malaysian host asking how they were doing.

Daniel Liau, who is the director of Art Peninsular Enterprise, the exhibition organiser, said he last contacted the delegation head Hou Bo when they boarded the plane on Friday midnight. “He (Hou Bo) told me on the phone that everything was fine with them. I regret this thing happened to them. Most of them are old people and very professional. Despite their age, they stayed at the exhibition venue from 10am until 10pm and yet didn’t complain of tiredness,”

It is also learnt that Mr Fariq and chief stewardess Goh Sock Lay, 45, both communicated via messenger application WhatsApp about 11.30pm. This was the last exchange they made through the application.

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/03/25/masmh370photo11crew2503.ashx/

[araucaria]

They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands
If I read this in a piece of fiction I would put the book straight down. It is utter gibberish. If this is they best they can do to incriminate Iran(ians), it is pitifully inadequate.

[Atlas]

They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands
If I read this in a piece of fiction I would put the book straight down. It is utter gibberish. If this is they best they can do to incriminate Iran(ians), it is pitifully inadequate.

Their school friend said they were changing their hair colors before the flight to match the passports. It seems logical they would try not to appear together and stick to their phones so that no one would notice them.

See my post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=807786&viewfull=1#post807786

[Roisin]

They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands
If I read this in a piece of fiction I would put the book straight down. It is utter gibberish. If this is they best they can do to incriminate Iran(ians), it is pitifully inadequate.


Sorry but I don't agree with that even though it's fashionable within some conspiracy groups to debunk any connection to terrorism to Iranians or Arabs.

That they both arrived at that airport at the same time in separate cars like that automatically raises some red flags including the fact that they were walking next to each other at that airport yet trying to appear like they didn't know each other so the prudent thing to do is to evaluate that in a more in-depth manner.

PS -- that friend said that he took them to the airport but now we are finding out that each one arrived in a separate car. That's another red flag too.

"An unnamed Iranian, who met both passengers in Malaysia and went with them to the airport, has spoken to the BBC's Persian service about the days before their departure. "One of the two was my friend from high school," he told BBC Persian on Monday by phone from Malaysia, apparently referring to Nour Mohammad."

"I accompanied them to the airport. It was almost 8pm that we headed to the airport, and we arrived around 9pm to 9.15pm at the airport and we stayed in the car for few minutes and chatted."

[araucaria]

They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands
If I read this in a piece of fiction I would put the book straight down. It is utter gibberish. If this is they best they can do to incriminate Iran(ians), it is pitifully inadequate.


Sorry but I don't agree with that even though it's fashionable within some conspiracy groups to debunk any connection to terrorism to Iranians or Arabs.

That they both arrived at that airport at the same time in separate cars like that automatically raises some red flags including the fact that they were walking next to each other at that airport yet trying to appear like they didn't know each other so the prudent thing to do is to evaluate that in a more in-depth manner.

PS -- that friend said that he took them to the airport but now we are finding out that each one arrived in a separate car. That's another red flag too.

"An unnamed Iranian, who met both passengers in Malaysia and went with them to the airport, has spoken to the BBC's Persian service about the days before their departure. "One of the two was my friend from high school," he told BBC Persian on Monday by phone from Malaysia, apparently referring to Nour Mohammad."

"I accompanied them to the airport. It was almost 8pm that we headed to the airport, and we arrived around 9pm to 9.15pm at the airport and we stayed in the car for few minutes and chatted."

You are taking the veracity of the narrative for granted (‘the fact that’…). Let me deconstruct this bad fiction for you. Typically a fictional character, as the name suggests, will be characterized. For example, he will be either smart or dumb, or smart playing dumb or dumb trying to act smart. If he is somehow inconsistent in such matters he will be either poorly characterized or it will be an attempt at depicting a personality disorder of some sort.

Applying these principles here, you have two Iranians who are supposedly smart. You need to be somewhat smart (albeit ethically dumb) to take a Boeing 777 out of sight for a month – and that is what they are unavoidably involved in (otherwise why bring them up at all?). You don’t have to be a genius to act as a pawn in the bigger scenario, but you do need to be streetwise in connection with your part in that. Hence you would expect a terrorist at an airport to be aware of surveillance cameras, whose purpose is not to dissect a case a month after the event but hopefully to cause timely action to be taken before anything happens. They might choose to act smart, or to be even smarter by acting dumb. But they would be aware of the cameras at all times. And they would not act smart by staying apart, and then act dumb by shaking hands. In fictional terms it is poor characterization, and in real-life terms it makes no real sense. These guys would have to be real dummies trying to play smart and failing miserably. It is hard to say which was the dumbest thing to do: a) arriving almost together and having to pretend not to know each other, when even a totally inexperienced terrorist like you or me (well me at any rate :)) would know to stagger arrival times, or b) subsequently pretending to bump into each other and shaking hands for the camera (how smart was that?) or c) realizing their mistake and splitting up.

To imagine a terrorist plot employing such grossly incompetent actors beggars belief. If this is truly what is shown on the surveillance cameras, then a much simpler explanation is the totally innocent situation of two Iranians bumping into each other and exchanging a brief word. They may have been two semi-strangers who had just met at some conference for example. That would not even involve a coincidence. But again, the whole narrative is probably made up.

[Atlas]

Yesterday, Sarah Bajc 'liked' the following article on her Facebook page:

Phillip Wood, Flight MH370, Diego Garcia and the black photo. - ThatsNonsense.com (http://thatsnonsense.com/blog/phillip-wood-flight-mh370-diego-garcia-and-the-black-photo/)

[...] We contacted a website called fourandsix.com who deal with digital forensics, and they reiterated that altering the EXIF information can be done, and even ran an instance of the photo through a project belonging to them called izitru.com, a website designed to tell if photos have been modified. The results suggested that the photo was not the original, and that it has been run through a type of photo editing software. This is not to say that the photo itself had been digitally manipulated, but highlights a strong possibility that the photo had indeed been modified in some significant way.

We ran multiple instances of the photo, obtained from various websites, through the same site and received similar results.

http://thatsnonsense.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/file-modification.jpg

One of the tests performed by izitru.com suggested that the EXIF information present was not consistent with that of an iPhone 5 output – this information seems to be supported by an evaluation from a site known as fotoforensics.com, who analysed the photo and maintained that important EXIF information that would normally be present in an iPhone 5 photo was not there, and many values were inconsistent to what one would expect to find in a photo from an iPhone 5. Ultimately suggesting [again] that the photo had been modified.


Some conspiracy sites claim that this is a photo from one of the passengers on the missing Flight MH370. The specific claim is that this is a camera-original "selfie" with GPS coordinates that identify the location as the island of Diego Garcia. The claims are false. The conspiracy is promoting a hoax.

While the GPS data does identify the location as tiny island of Diego Garcia, the metadata is inconsistent with an iPhone 5 running iOS 7.0.6. In particular, it is missing metadata fields that should be present (e.g., Makernotes and EXIF thumbnail), contains metadata that should not be present (Image Unique ID and IPTC Digest information -- both are created by applications), and has inconsistent timestamps: the "Modify Date" is 18 minutes 53 seconds after the creation date. Even the GPS information is inconsistent with the data generated by an iPhone. The metadata has been intentionally modified in order to support the hoax.

Furthermore, after more investigation into the photo, we found the term “Picasa” located inside the images EXIF output.

http://thatsnonsense.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/picasa.jpg
The EXIF information

Picasa is a Google owned image organiser and editor that, amongst other things, has the ability to alter EXIF information, including GPS coordinates. It’s entry into the EXIF information of the photo is not consistent with an original iPhone 5 photo.

[...] Whilst many conspiracy theorist will invariably come out with plenty of “100% confirmed evidence” that they claim will prove the theory that MH370 was hijacked or captured, this photo – that the entire Diego Garcia theory seems largely reliant on – certainly does not qualify as any kind of evidence, and frankly shouldn’t be trusted at all.

“I think this is the first time I’ve seen a photo of nothing presented as proof of anything.” – www.fourandsix.com

[Roisin]

araucaria,

Supposing the Malaysian authorities who made those observations about those 2 young men were not lying and were, in fact, telling the truth. Supposing there's even a video showing each one getting out of a separate car when they arrived at the airport even though BBC news interviewed a close friend of theirs who said that he went to that airport with them in ONE car. So who's lying and who's telling the truth?

The friend who said they all arrived at the airport in one car or those investigators who stated that each passenger arrived in a separate car as indicated by a surveillance video showing each one exiting a separate car at the door of that airport?

And if that friend was lying about that, what else was he lying about?

But in this case, we have 2 people who are using fake passports. So for that reason it would be understandable why they would be streetwise and act like they don't know each other... at least not until they are in the small waiting area where they are waiting to board the plane. By then they will have already gone through the hurdle of checking-in using their fake passports so there would not have been any reason for them to carry on the charade that they didn't know each other anymore -- though they did it in such a way to make it seem like they were surprised to see each other getting ready to board the same plane. Yes, that was all an act and it's one that I'm sure any professional intelligence officer would pick up on right away. lol

At any rate, based on this most recent update that the plane was hijacked, for all we know, there may be others who have orchestrated this hijacking who hired those Iranian men to divert our attention from the real culprits having to do with the hijacking and disappearance of this plane. But at least on the surface, that we have 2 people with fake passports from a hostile country that pumps out terrorists is something that all investigator's are going to be looking at. Sometimes the culprit is in plain sight and for all we know, those 2 may have hijacked that plane. We don't know any more about that than what any of those other theories are saying but in this case, we at least have something more tangible than nothing at all; a video indicating that their friend had lied to the authorities about them arriving in one car when in fact they each arrived in a separate car.

That's something that they will have definitely taken note of.

[Atlas]

Supposing the Malaysian authorities [...] were not lying and were, in fact, telling the truth.

What !!? How could this man possibly tell the truth...?

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;)

[Flash]

Please describe, i do not understand the comment Buares, we must be looking at the pictures with different cultural lenses, because I do not see what you probably see from the comments - what is it?




Supposing the Malaysian authorities [...] were not lying and were, in fact, telling the truth.

What !!? How could this man possibly tell the truth...? ;)

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[Atlas]

No one seems to believe the "official version" of the Malaysian authorities. This is the minister of defence, he is the 'Malaysian authority' (in case of a terrorist/hijacking plot) and he is willingly and obviously lying to us and keeping us in the dark... (Forget about it, I was just kidding. ;))

[Operator]

Was just watching the press conference with Angus Houston, he repeatedly tried to compare the difficulty in verifying an audio signal with that of verifying a visual signal - which is a complete nonsense. When asked what else could present a 37.5 kHz signal he refused to answer the question. When asked what was the frequency of the signal detected by the Australian ship he refused to answer the question, he was then asked again by someone else and admitted he didn't know that yet, and didn't even acknowledge that the frequency was of importance.

Yeah, saw the same report. My interpretation of what Houston was saying when it came to comparing the visual and audio was to let the media know to back off and let the search teams do their job. The comparison was not meant, I don't think, to relate any similarity between the visual search and the signals detected other than there could be false leads that need to be treated carefully. He repeated a number of times that he would like unconfirmed reports to not be reported as fact so as to not harm the family & friends of those missing.

I agree that he didn't answer the question about what else could produce a signal @ 37.5 kHz (I thought that frequency was chosen because there wasn't anything else that uses it [natural or not]) however saying he refused to answer what frequency the signal was detected by Ocean Shield I think misrepresents what he said. He said he hadn't been advised what the frequency was however re-iterated that the signal detected was viewed as a potential lead. He also said that the information had only just been reported to him and he was relating it so as to explain why the Ocean Shield wasn't moving straight away to the Haixun 01's position.

-- Pan

Please keep in mind that the 'reception' of an underwater pinger is similar to receiving a radio signal but then even more
complex. Radio signals fade-in and out because of propagation alterations especially when they are not received via
'line of sight'.

Radio signals bounce against all kind of objects, even layers in our atmosphere. Alterations in (some of) the propagation
paths may cause variation in the phase shifted components of the total sum signal that is picked up by the receiver. So at
1 point in time 2 components can amplify each other while at another moment 2 contra-phase components yield a 'no-signal'
result.

Acoustic propagation in sea water is even more complex. The waves on the surface will act as a very unpredictable reflection
screen. But there are lots of other influences too like change in salinity, temperature differences (inversions), currents,
difference in bottom composition etc. that change speed and direction of the signal. Perhaps this will give a better
indication why it could be heard over unexpected great distances, why the frequency might not be 'perceived' as exactly
37.5 Khz (changes in propagation speed) and why it is pretty difficult to get the direction where it is coming from.

That's why registering the signal with one hydrophone isn't sufficient you need an array with correlating circuitry and
software to make something out of it .... guess what's hidden in that big nose of those submarines ... ;)
Drop off buoys are great to determine a search area but won't be able to locate the pinger exactly. Fading in/out signals
are an indication that they are not real close to the pinger.

[Roisin]

Did anyone even try to analyze (no pun intended) that black image? Because if they did that they probably would not have gone through all of the trouble to find out any more about it. Here's my analysis of it:
http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/13951921587521copy.jpg (http://s932.photobucket.com/user/A99_x/media/13951921587521copy.jpg.html)

[araucaria]

@Roisin #1180

You are still taking slippery language at face value. Ambiguity (and/or trickery) is the hallmark of the notion of fakery with regard to passports and other things. There is nothing easier to fake than a fake passport because normally speaking there will be only one real passport, but there can be as many fakes as you like – you can change any and all the details just as long as the photo bears some resemblance. Multiple passports imply multiple ‘realities’. You can travel with your real passport in one pocket, and with a fake passport you got made for yourself in another. You can even change nationalities at every stopover. But whichever passport you happen to be using, it can all come to nought if the frontier police later declare that you were using another fake manufactured by the Mossad or some such to frame you. It would be easy enough for the border police to scan the inside of this other (fake) passport without the client even knowing of its existence, or alternatively alter the scan file (I’m not sure of the details).

I still have a problem when a version of what happened whereby Iranians of terrorism are suspected involves doesn’t hold water, when there is a much more plausible explanation that assumes that Iranians are probably innocent travelers like nearly everyone else.

This is just one example. Every other statement has to be treated with the same circumspection. You have at least two layers in the description of the video: things that can be seen – they ignore each other, they shake hands; and interpretations of them – they appear to ignore, they pretend to bump into each other. I personally am not defending any particular interpretation, I am merely pointing out some of the difficulties. It is typical of these events (cf. JFK, 9/11 etc.) to spawn myriads of different theories, and this is how it is done.

[Roisin]

Presently there are plenty of possibilities having to do with the demise of this plane that fall into the mainstream dept. And if 9/11 never happened then it would be much easier to go with one of those ones but we live in a different world today where information on the way the world really operates and who and what is running it is so much more accessible than ever before. What was only known by the privileged few is now common knowledge for anyone who seeks it.

In this thread, we are talking about those other alternative theories too but just because one talks about something, does not mean, unless they say so, that that's the theory they are going with wrt to that plane. So don't pin me down on the Iranian theory because as far as I'm concerned, any information that we've been getting from not only the Malaysians but everyone else too cannot be trusted as the correct version of what's been happening. There have been too many changes in the daily update dept. for me to accept that everything they say is true where it's clearly evident that something fishy is going on and that they are hiding something. something BIG.

[Cidersomerset]

MH370: Second pulse detected in hunt for missing Malaysia Airlines plane

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Published on 6 Apr 2014


A Chinese ship searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane has detected a
pulse signal for a second time, Australian co-ordinators say.Air Chief Marshal Angus
Houston called the discovery in the southern Indian Ocean an "important and
encouraging lead" but warned that there was no confirmation of a link to flight
MH370.He told reporters that the second signal was monitored for about 90
seconds and was detected less than 2 km (1.2 miles) from the original.
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6 April 2014 Last updated at 17:40

Malaysia flight MH370: Search ships to verify signals

A UK ship with sophisticated detection equipment, HMS Echo, has arrived in an area
where a Chinese vessel searching for the missing Malaysian plane has twice
detected a pulse signal.Australia's HMS Shield is first investigating a possible third
signal elsewhere in the massive search zone. None have been confirmed as coming
from the flight recorders of MH370.

Meanwhile families of the missing passengers have attended a prayer service in
Kuala Lumpur.The plane disappeared four weeks ago with 239 people on board.
Investigators believe it crashed in the Indian Ocean although no confirmed debris
has been found.

Australian co-ordinators said on Sunday that new analysis of satellite data meant
efforts would now focus on the southern part of the search zone, near where China's vessel is located.

'Some promise'

Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston said China's Haixan 01 had redetected a signal for
about 90 seconds on Saturday, within hours of it being heard earlier.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74069000/jpg/_74069404_021757133-1.jpg

HMS Echo is is expected to arrive in the area where the Haixun 01 is located within hours

Read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26912064

[Roisin]

I've retracted and deleted my comments about the US technological capabilities that I stated earlier in another post and that it's no better than China's. That is incorrect because the US is far more advanced than China is in all area's of technology. I strongly suspect that if they (the US) truly wanted to find that plane, they could have done that but for unknown reasons, they have intentionally maintained a distance in the search of this plane that has resulted in it not being found yet and that alone raises so many red flags, it's been difficult for me to wrap my mind around that. Like most Americans, I'm still clinging to the notion that we are the most humane and charitable nation in the world. Always willing to step in to help out in any catastrophic event that happens in any area of the world. But because the US has intentionally delayed and withheld information with regards to the location of this plane including information on what may have happened to it, it's very surreal to have to come to grips with the fact that this is the country that I live in where we are no longer the good guys and maybe we never were. I shudder to think what our national karma is like but if the case of this missing plane is the "normal" then we're all in deep, deep trouble.

[Gardener]

I have to say Roisin, I did think the satelite capability was better than it appears to be in this instance, which begs a question or three. Those grieving people need closure.

[mosquito]

...

That they both arrived at that airport at the same time in separate cars like that automatically raises some red flags ...

Does it ? Given that all of the passengers knew the departure time of the flight and given that they were all aware of the need to check-in 2 hours before hand (or whatever), I would say there is a pretty good chance that all 239 passengers arrived at the airport withing 30 minutes of each other. This isn't the first post on this thread which leads me to question whether some of our members have ever travelled by plane.

[Roisin]

I have to say Roisin, I did think the satelite capability was better than it appears to be in this instance, which begs a question or three. Those grieving people need closure.

Closure... right. That's what's eating away at not only the heart, minds and soul of their loved ones but for people like you and I and so many others in the world over who are like us too. We are all experiencing it. The uncertainty, the frustration and a deep rooted "something" that occurs when closure is not achieved in the event of the abrupt departure or disappearance or death of a loved one or even a stranger. It's something that reaches deep into the primordial ocean of the unconscious mind on a very collective level hence why so many of us inexplicably connect on a very instinctual level to all of those ancient architectural monuments out there, most of which directly dealt with the transition of man from our physical world into other realms... and most of all, closure. We understand why they were built and why they still remain ... even though thousands of years have passed. There's a reason why that is and we know why. It's all about closure and those structures serve as a metaphor for that in a very tangible and eloquent way.

Those who are responsible for this horrific act of unconscionable violence are dead to that reality. In short, they are not human, they are something else.

[Tesseract]

Was just watching the press conference with Angus Houston, he repeatedly tried to compare the difficulty in verifying an audio signal with that of verifying a visual signal - which is a complete nonsense. When asked what else could present a 37.5 kHz signal he refused to answer the question. When asked what was the frequency of the signal detected by the Australian ship he refused to answer the question, he was then asked again by someone else and admitted he didn't know that yet, and didn't even acknowledge that the frequency was of importance.

Yeah, saw the same report. My interpretation of what Houston was saying when it came to comparing the visual and audio was to let the media know to back off and let the search teams do their job. The comparison was not meant, I don't think, to relate any similarity between the visual search and the signals detected other than there could be false leads that need to be treated carefully. He repeated a number of times that he would like unconfirmed reports to not be reported as fact so as to not harm the family & friends of those missing.

I agree that he didn't answer the question about what else could produce a signal @ 37.5 kHz (I thought that frequency was chosen because there wasn't anything else that uses it [natural or not]) however saying he refused to answer what frequency the signal was detected by Ocean Shield I think misrepresents what he said. He said he hadn't been advised what the frequency was however re-iterated that the signal detected was viewed as a potential lead. He also said that the information had only just been reported to him and he was relating it so as to explain why the Ocean Shield wasn't moving straight away to the Haixun 01's position.

-- Pan

Please keep in mind that the 'reception' of an underwater pinger is similar to receiving a radio signal but then even more
complex. Radio signals fade-in and out because of propagation alterations especially when they are not received via
'line of sight'.

Radio signals bounce against all kind of objects, even layers in our atmosphere. Alterations in (some of) the propagation
paths may cause variation in the phase shifted components of the total sum signal that is picked up by the receiver. So at
1 point in time 2 components can amplify each other while at another moment 2 contra-phase components yield a 'no-signal'
result.

Acoustic propagation in sea water is even more complex. The waves on the surface will act as a very unpredictable refection
screen. But there are lots of other influences too like change in salinity, temperature differences (inversions), currents,
difference in bottom composition etc. that change speed and direction of the signal. Perhaps this will give a better
indication why it could be heard over unexpected great distances, why the frequency might not be 'perceived' as exactly
37.5 Khz (changes in propagation speed) and why it is pretty difficult to get the direction where it is coming from.

That's why registering the signal with one hydrophone isn't sufficient you need an array with correlating circuitry and
software to make something out of it .... guess what's hidden in that big nose of those submarines ... ;)
Drop off buoys are great to determine a search area but won't be able to locate the pinger exactly. Fading in/out signals
are an indication that they are not real close to the pinger.

I don't disagree with any of that in principle - but I wouldn't talk ourselves out of the importance of this ultrasound detection either. No matter how you look at it, this detection narrows down the zone to what is, in relative terms, an extremely small area, and it should be tackled with confidence because the frequency was an exact match. Before this, even the very large search zones were only vague guesses - everyone knew the plane could have been well and truly outside of those zones. This detection changes the odds dramatically to the favour of the search teams, and if the provenance of the signal is genuine, should turn out to be the clue that leads to the plane being found.

Now, it may turn out that the detection was somehow false - stranger things have happened, but these guys have to go with what information they have, and to me this trumps everything else at the current time.

[Roisin]

...

That they both arrived at that airport at the same time in separate cars like that automatically raises some red flags ...

Does it ? Given that all of the passengers knew the departure time of the flight and given that they were all aware of the need to check-in 2 hours before hand (or whatever), I would say there is a pretty good chance that all 239 passengers arrived at the airport withing 30 minutes of each other. This isn't the first post on this thread which leads me to question whether some of our members have ever travelled by plane.

My reply.....


araucaria,

Supposing the Malaysian authorities who made those observations about those 2 young men were not lying and were, in fact, telling the truth. Supposing there's even a video showing each one getting out of a separate car when they arrived at the airport even though BBC news interviewed a close friend of theirs who said that he went to that airport with them in ONE car. So who's lying and who's telling the truth?

The friend who said they all arrived at the airport in one car or those investigators who stated that each passenger arrived in a separate car as indicated by a surveillance video showing each one exiting a separate car at the door of that airport?

And if that friend was lying about that, what else was he lying about?

But in this case, we have 2 people who are using fake passports. So for that reason it would be understandable why they would be streetwise and act like they don't know each other... at least not until they are in the small waiting area where they are waiting to board the plane. By then they will have already gone through the hurdle of checking-in using their fake passports so there would not have been any reason for them to carry on the charade that they didn't know each other anymore -- though they did it in such a way to make it seem like they were surprised to see each other getting ready to board the same plane. Yes, that was all an act and it's one that I'm sure any professional intelligence officer would pick up on right away. lol

At any rate, based on this most recent update that the plane was hijacked, for all we know, there may be others who have orchestrated this hijacking who hired those Iranian men to divert our attention from the real culprits having to do with the hijacking and disappearance of this plane. But at least on the surface, that we have 2 people with fake passports from a hostile country that pumps out terrorists is something that all investigator's are going to be looking at. Sometimes the culprit is in plain sight and for all we know, those 2 may have hijacked that plane. We don't know any more about that than what any of those other theories are saying but in this case, we at least have something more tangible than nothing at all; a video indicating that their friend had lied to the authorities about them arriving in one car when in fact they each arrived in a separate car.

That's something that they will have definitely taken note of.


And prior to that I wrote:


PS -- that friend said that he took them to the airport but now we are finding out that each one arrived in a separate car. That's another red flag too.

"An unnamed Iranian, who met both passengers in Malaysia and went with them to the airport, has spoken to the BBC's Persian service about the days before their departure. "One of the two was my friend from high school," he told BBC Persian on Monday by phone from Malaysia, apparently referring to Nour Mohammad."

"I accompanied them to the airport. It was almost 8pm that we headed to the airport, and we arrived around 9pm to 9.15pm at the airport and we stayed in the car for few minutes and chatted." \

And that in reference to this:




They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands
If I read this in a piece of fiction I would put the book straight down. It is utter gibberish. If this is they best they can do to incriminate Iran(ians), it is pitifully inadequate.

Their school friend said they were changing their hair colors before the flight to match the passports. It seems logical they would try not to appear together and stick to their phones so that no one would notice them.

See my post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=807786&viewfull=1#post807786

[panopticon]

Latest media release from the Australian JACC on the search for MH370.

###

Search and recovery continues for Malaysian flight MH370 (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr012.aspx)
Media Release, 7 April 2014—am

Up to nine military planes, three civil planes and 14 ships will assist in today's search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The search area is expected to be approximately 234,000 square kilometres.

Good weather is expected throughout the day with showers in the afternoon although this is not expected to affect the search.

ADV Ocean Shield is continuing investigations in its own area.

HMS Echo is en route to assist the Chinese vessel Haixun 01, which detected pulse signals in the Indian Ocean.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau continues to refine the area where the aircraft entered the water based on continuing ground-breaking and multi-disciplinary technical analysis of satellite communication and aircraft performance, passed from the international air crash investigative team comprising analysts from Malaysia, the United States, the UK, China and Australia.

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Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr012.aspx)

[Selene]

. I strongly suspect that if they (the US) truly wanted to find that plane, they could have done that but for unknown reasons, they have intentionally maintained a distance in the search of this plane that has resulted in it not being found yet and that alone raises so many red flags, it's been difficult for me to wrap my mind around that. Like most Americans, I'm still clinging to the notion that we are the most humane and charitable nation in the world. Always willing to step in to help out in any catastrophic event that happens in any area of the world. But because the US has intentionally delayed and withheld information with regards to the location of this plane including information on what may have happened to it, it's very surreal to have to come to grips with the fact that this is the country that I live in where we are no longer the good guys and maybe we never were. I shudder to think what our national karma is like but if the case of this missing plane is the "normal" then we're all in deep, deep trouble.

I think the calculation here is a much darker and more cynical one than that of the US simply being seen as The Good Guys. It is in the realm of high stakes political poker, in that Machiavellian stream of “never letting a good crisis go to waste.”

Herewith:

• Let’s assume the plane actually went down catastrophically, for whatever reason: mechanical failure, failed hijacking, suicide, it was Thursday. Whatever.

• The US spy-in-the-sky system, calibrated to watch weapons movements, explosions of any type, UFO arrivals and departures, golf balls in motion, etc is by far one of the secret government’s most closely held secrets. They saw the plane go down; they know exactly where and when.

However:

• All 239 lives have already been lost;

• At no time must this US secret space program be exposed or compromised. 239 casualties aren’t worth admitting to the level of surveillance we are under. That’s a non-starter.

• There is no true upside to leading a rescue, there’s only recovery of the remains to be had, but a big downside in exposing the secret program.


But an opportunity presents itself:


• Given the present superior position of China as the world’s largest holder of US Dollar Treasury bonds there’s much more upside for the secret government/cabal in using assistance in the recovery process to gain some much-needed political leverage with the Chinese.

• Beijing’s toes are not to be stepped on lightly by cavalierly denying them a prominent role in recovering their own citizens. Bigfooting it here would breed resentment and loss of face. This would be a serious tactical error and the Chinese have long memories. On the other hand, letting the Chinese be the heroes....

Therefore:

• Do you really think it’s “coincidence” that it was a Chinese vessel that made the lucky strike, hundreds of miles from the official search area?

• Or is it more likely that they were quietly pointed toward some “interesting coordinates” by “a friend”.....?

I know what I’d think...

Cheers,

Selene

[panopticon]

Please keep in mind that the 'reception' of an underwater pinger is similar to receiving a radio signal but then even more complex. Radio signals fade-in and out because of propagation alterations especially when they are not received via 'line of sight'.

Radio signals bounce against all kind of objects, even layers in our atmosphere. Alterations in (some of) the propagation paths may cause variation in the phase shifted components of the total sum signal that is picked up by the receiver. So at 1 point in time 2 components can amplify each other while at another moment 2 contra-phase components yield a 'no-signal' result.

Acoustic propagation in sea water is even more complex. The waves on the surface will act as a very unpredictable reflection screen. But there are lots of other influences too like change in salinity, temperature differences (inversions), currents, difference in bottom composition etc. that change speed and direction of the signal. Perhaps this will give a better indication why it could be heard over unexpected great distances, why the frequency might not be 'perceived' as exactly 37.5 Khz (changes in propagation speed) and why it is pretty difficult to get the direction where it is coming from.

That's why registering the signal with one hydrophone isn't sufficient you need an array with correlating circuitry and software to make something out of it .... guess what's hidden in that big nose of those submarines ... ;)
Drop off buoys are great to determine a search area but won't be able to locate the pinger exactly. Fading in/out signals are an indication that they are not real close to the pinger.

Thank you so much for that Operator. You've made some excellent points here and I for one hadn't made the intellectual link between the difference in acoustics/frequency between air and underwater environment. I knew it, but just had applied it to this for some unknown reason.

Of course you're right.

You've said there could be a difference in frequency due to the aquatic environment. How much of a difference could this make (not asking for a comprehensive analysis, the variations you pointed out make that ridiculous, rather just a general "lots", "not much" or "little")?

We know that whales communicate over vast distances (which is of course underwater :doh: ) so do you have any idea how far this sort of signal might be able to be detected from point of origin? In other words, could the 300 nm between the Ocean Shield and Haixun 01 be within that range?

-- Pan

[Roisin]

Selene,

Wow! Much food for thought on this one Selene and need time to chew on this for awhile. Thanks for your clarity! Very mind expanding to say the least!

[Tesseract]

Angus Houston announced at the press conference that the signal was detected for 2 h and 20 min by the Australian ship Ocean Shield, and detected again for another 13 minutes on a subsequent pass. The ship will make a number of additional passes to fix the location and, if they can do that, will send down an underwater vehicle.

One of the journalists asked if this signal could be from the same source as that detected by the Chinese ship 300 nm away, to which Houston indicated it was seemingly unlikely, but perhaps possible given the complexities involved such as mentioned by Operator above.

Great work by all involved!

[panopticon]

Angus Houston announced at the press conference that the signal was detected for 2 h and 20 min by the Australian ship Ocean Shield, and detected again for another 13 minutes on a subsequent pass. The ship will make a number of additional passes to fix the location and, if they can do that, will send down an underwater vehicle.

One of the journalists asked if this signal could be from the same source as that detected by the Chinese ship 300 nm away, to which Houston indicated it was seemingly unlikely, but perhaps possible given the complexities involved such as mentioned by Operator above.

Great work by all involved!

G'day Tesseract,

Did you get the name of the bloke he introduced that explained the acoustic details and towed ping locator? (edit: found it, his name is Australian Navy Commodore Peter Leavy)

I also thought it was interesting that the only audio they have to analyse is from the Ocean Shield (which Houston said sounded like an emergency beacon to him). Evidently the Haixun 01 did not record what it detected.

Houston also expanded on why the search area has been isolated to this location (map of satellite detections of "pings" versus fuel and differing flight speed). Did it look a bit to you to like Houston was not convinced by some of the information he was announcing? It seemed a bit forced when he was giving credit to the Malaysian group of search experts, a bit like: 'we've detected "pings" here & here so that's where the satellite and Malaysian search team experts say we are supposed to be looking because blah, blah, blah...'

Anyway, the officials are saying it will take weeks to get any further, especially without wreckage. Some of the media here is asking why the Chinese search vessels were out of the official search area. Houston etc. has skirted around it and said they are communicating/coordinating with the Chinese Government over search area details...

Houston was pretty adamant when he said that while the signal/s detected by Ocean Shield are consistent with a black box recorders locator he was not willing to say that the detection confirmed the location of MH370. He said that without wreckage there could be no confirmation.

The media core sounded like they were about to freak out when he said that...

-- Pan

[Operator]

---
You've said there could be a difference in frequency due to the aquatic environment. How much of a difference could this make (not asking for a comprehensive analysis, the variations you pointed out make that ridiculous, rather just a general "lots", "not much" or "little")?
---


Haha, unfortunately this stuff is complex .... :p



Speed of Sound Underwater

While the accepted speed of sound in air is 340 m/s, the speed of sound underwater is more difficult to ascertain because the speed of sound is much more affected by temperature, dissolved impurities (usually salinity), hydrostatic pressure, and mass density. In an empirically derived formula, the speed of sound underwater in a simplified equation is:

C(T,P,S) = 1449.2 + 4.6T – 0.055T^2

+ 0.00029T^3 + (1.34 – 0.01 T)(S – 35) + 0.16z,

where is T represents temperature in ˚C, S represents salinity in parts per thousand, and z represents the depth in meters. More complex equations have been published, with the most accurate equation to-date involving 19 terms and coefficients up to 12 significant figures (7). Generally, an increase in temperature and salinity will increase the speed of sound in water. Usually, ocean salinity, S, is estimated around a constant 35 ppt, so the sound speed formula reduces to a function of temperature and depth, with the temperature of the water as a greater parameter than salinity. (5, 7).


Full info here (http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/winter-2012/the-underwater-propagation-of-sound-and-its-applications)

So let me go by what I remember (for more simplicity sake) ... I think that practical values range between 1400 and 1500 m/s.
So a 6 .. 7 % variation is possible ... or said in a different way ... I would be surprised if they'd find an exact frequency of
37.5 KHz. But what else could be pinging in that area?

The reason why they hear it for a while and then it's gone is because they are moving ... it is possible that when you hear it
again you are actually further away. Have a look at the image below

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/yShlAl2kMZw/hqdefault.jpg

This is about HF radio waves but the principle is the same ... the signal bounces up and down and can be received at
intervals where it reaches the surface .... You would need a powerful pinger though and I have no idea how powerful
these are but I would guess that with fully loaded batteries ranges of 10+ nm are feasible. Whales produce a much
lower sound and their range is therefor better. However the longer the range the more difficult it is to 'locate' the
source ....

Last but not least ... I expect them to find the pinger but most likely not the plane. Enough to satisfy closure of the
case but no answers on the question 'What happened ?'. But that is my intuition ... not based on intel or info.

P.S. They are most likely not listening at the surface but they are probably towing an array of hydrophones at a certain depth.

[SilentFeathers]

Every week they are coming up with a new BS scenario and headlining it as, "The best lead yet!"....this is getting a bit old and stale. Even if they find that plane today at the bottom of the ocean it really won't eliminate all the speculation and possibilities as to of what actually happened......the guessing game and story will go on and on and on and on.

Finding the plane and positively identifying some bodies may actually give some of those poor families a little bit of closure, but still, even that would not explain much as to of what actually happened.

This is one of those types of events that will never end until the media quits reporting on it and it majorly fades from our memories.

Personally, I am convinced it flew over the Maldives heading south, possibly to Diego Garcia. It either Landed at Diego Garcia or flew past there, and if it took off from Diego Garcia or flew past Diego Garcia it was downed in the Southern Indian Ocean....I am also totally convinced that this flight was closely tracked by more than one source during it's whole journey regardless of where it's finally destination ended up being.

Actual eyewitnesses claim to have seen this jet over the Maldives heading south towards Diego Garcia and every single "search party" looked the other way telling the media the sighting over the Maldives was impossible, that's why I think there may be some truth to this eyewitness sighting.

To think they can find and track a 10 ft. asteroid millions of miles away and can't keep a fix on a state of the art high tech Boeing 777 is ludicrous IMO.



I will still stick to my prediction I wrote two-three weeks ago: They will soon find it and blame it all on the pilot, end of story.......

But, I doubt many will believe "their" version or conclusion that will be labeled as "Official"....and I also doubt that what-ever the "official conclusion" turns out to be will be the truth....

[gripreaper]

But, I doubt many will believe "their" version or conclusion that will be labeled as "Official"....and I also doubt that what-ever the "official conclusion" turns out to be will be the truth....

And this is the salient point. While billions of people around the world are watching this and are realizing that they cannot trust anything coming from media, and that there is a power on earth much greater than nation state which manipulates the entire chess board, it causes them to connect the dots and focus more on the search for the truth.

Let the unveiling continue.

[SilentFeathers]

But, I doubt many will believe "their" version or conclusion that will be labeled as "Official"....and I also doubt that what-ever the "official conclusion" turns out to be will be the truth....

And this is the salient point. While billions of people around the world are watching this and are realizing that they cannot trust anything coming from media, and that there is a power on earth much greater than nation state which manipulates the entire chess board, it causes them to connect the dots and focus more on the search for the truth.

Let the unveiling continue.

It's got to the point that if "they" actually did tell us the truth we wouldn't believe that either.....pretty much part of the game plan I'm sure, it gives them an edge to do and say just about anything they want and spinning the web to keep us trapped in the endless guessing and connecting the dots game......

While we are sitting at our computers, trapped in this web of endless speculation and playing these guessing games, well, "they" pretty much have free reign to do what-ever they want with little or no accountability. "They" pretty much steer the ship while we ride along wondering where it's going, yet seeing the iceberg up ahead, but we can't get to the bridge of the ship to crank the wheel to avoid the iceberg because we are too busy playing guessing games and caught in the web of mass speculation and deception.

Even those of us aware of being caught in this web struggle for solutions to escape it's ridiculous ability to entangle us......

[Bob]

Every week they are coming up with a new BS scenario .. [..]

Personally, I am convinced it flew over the Maldives heading south, possibly to Diego Garcia. It either Landed at Diego Garcia or flew past there, and if it took off from Diego Garcia or flew past Diego Garcia it was downed in the Southern Indian Ocean....I am also totally convinced that this flight was closely tracked by more than one source during it's whole journey regardless of where it's finally destination ended up being.

Actual eyewitnesses claim to have seen this jet over the Maldives heading south towards Diego Garcia and every single "search party" looked the other way telling the media the sighting over the Maldives was impossible, that's why I think there may be some truth to this eyewitness sighting.

To think they can find and track a 10 ft. asteroid millions of miles away and can't keep a fix on a state of the art high tech Boeing 777 is ludicrous IMO.



I will still stick to my prediction I wrote two-three weeks ago: They will soon find it and blame it all on the pilot, end of story.......

But, I doubt many will believe "their" version or conclusion that will be labeled as "Official"....and I also doubt that what-ever the "official conclusion" turns out to be will be the truth....

Hia SilentFeathers

Thought I would share some important data about "black boxes", flight data recorders.. any black-box has a stimulator/programmer used during testing to put in any desired simulation parameters..

Finding a black box, flight data recorder, does not necessarily mean that the actual flight data recorder from the "missing plane" was located, nor does it mean that the performance data recorded there-in was the actual flight.

http://www.google.com.lb/patents/US5260874 - that page shows a patent on a "programmer" able to put the needed "data" into a "black-box" to make the recording say anything that is desired by the "test"..

It seems to me, a box programmed like that could be "dropped" off anywhere.

The "public" is clamoring for "need to see the black box" and those couple items being "found" sure would be a lot less debris to have to handle with...

It's is being talked about in MSM, "amazing that the "boxes" are pinging", and no debris otherwise in the area has been found..

From the Patent (geek-speak) - A flight emulation programmer - inputs data into the Flight Data recorder, AutoPilot, Navigation systems

"The system 20 comprises instruments that generate stimuli normally received by the components of the aircraft 22 when in flight, plus other instruments that monitor the response of the aircraft components.

The system 20 instruments are contained in a van 24 that can be parked adjacent to the aircraft 22. The van 24 is provided with a number of cables 26-34 that provide a conductive path for exchanging electrical signals between the aircraft 22 components and the system 20 instruments.

Air flows having characteristics identical to the air flows measured through the aircraft pitot and static ports are supplied by the system through pneumatic hoses 36 and 38. The system 20 exchanges radio signals with radios on board the aircraft 22 through a set of antennae 40-48 mounted to the outer body of the van 24. Angle-of-attack sensor vanes on the aircraft 22 (not illustrated) are moved by separate angle-of-attack vane actuators 50, one shown, that are also part of the system 20.

The angle-of-attack vane actuators 50 are connected to the van 24 by separate cables 52 (one shown). Personnel in the cockpit of the aircraft 22 can control the tests performed by the system 20 through a portable terminal, not illustrated in this figure, that is connected to the van 24 by an operator interface cable 54.

The aircraft 22 is a conventional modern commercial airliner."

The Patent goes on for quite some pages, but the point is, everything "desired" can be programmed into any black box and flight data-recorder..

[Atlas]

They need to find something quickly because 'time is money' so to speak...

How much has the month-old SAR cost? (http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-mh370-tragedy-font-how-much-has-the-month-old-sar-cost-1.554680)

“Nobody, not the Malaysian government, none of our partners, have talked about dollars and cents. It’s all about trying to find the aircraft,” Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a press conference last month.

The U.S. Department of Defense allocated $4 million to help search for the missing Malaysian jetliner. Between March 8 and March 24, it had spent $3.2 million, said spokesman Col. Steve Warren. As of late last week it had spent another $148,000. The Pentagon has allocated another $3.6 million to cover the cost of a towed pinger locator, used to detect underwater signals from aircraft black boxes, and an underwater autonomous vehicle, which can look for wreckage deep below the ocean surface.

Australia’s defense department said its direct cost of using its ship the HMAS Success in the search is about $550,000 per day, and another vessel, the HMAS Toowoomba, costs about $380,000 per day. But it said there are not only direct costs such as fuel, servicing and crew salaries, but indirect costs such as general administration, building costs and depreciation of aircraft assets, so it is difficult to provide an exact total.

Japan’s defense ministry said it could not provide a figure because the search is continuing. The cost of the search operation is believed to fall within the 880 million yen ($8.8 million) budgeted for emergency relief for the Japan International Cooperation Agency. Some Japanese civilians are also participating, and the government said their accommodation and transportation has cost about 28 million yen ($280,000) as of the end of March.

Geoff Davies, a spokesman for New Zealand’s defense force, said much of his country’s costs will be covered by the existing budget for search and rescue operations, though there are likely to be some extra costs because of the extraordinary nature of the search.

China’s foreign ministry did not respond to questions about the expense of the effort.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

There is a lot of information to go through on this thread, so maybe I've missed someone's answer.

Does anyone know why a "sister", "copy", "clone" (not sure of the right word to use), a 777 with Malaysian markings, has been sitting in Tel Aviv since November of 2013?



Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL

Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

new Thursday 27th March 2014 at 06:49 By David Icke



http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Malay_Boeing_777.jpg

‘Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in
storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155,
an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November
2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it
be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making?’

Read more: Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11-using-the-missing-777/

According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines) Malaysian Airlines has a total of 14 Boeing 777 aircraft.

A researcher (conspiracy analyst) might ask Malaysian Airlines if one of their Boeing 777 aircraft has been parked in Tel Aviv, and if "yes", ask why?

[Atlas]

Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim: Malaysian Government knows Flight MH370's fate:
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Malaysia's Anwar accuses government of MH370 cover-up: concealed radar data
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He described it as "not only unacceptable but not possible, not feasible" that it could travel across "at least four" Malaysian states undetected, adding: "I believe the government knows more than us". "We don't have the sophistication of the United States or Britain but still we have the capacity to protect our borders," he stressed.

[Atlas]

There is a lot of information to go through on this thread, so maybe I've missed someone's answer.

Here you go:


What may apparently be rather unreasonable with such an item, (and should be very carefully considered, as Paul alluded), is that somehow it could be expected that an Air craft such as this would be left in the open in a hangar in Tel Aviv with the possibility to be detected. Unfortunately the agencies can be given a little more credit than this when doing their operations.

I have worked in and around these aviation areas and am familiar enough with both Airports in Tel Aviv as well as the area of the IAI (Israeli Air Industry) where they have those hugh hungars in a close proximity to the airport. As an employee, it is sometimes possible to see foregin Airplains being parked or getting treatment in one of those hangars, a lot of U.S. military Aircrafts as the U.S army obviously has relations with Israel. But a Malasian Airplain is a 'No No' as Malysia is a Muslim country and as such has no relationship with Israel, in fact, no one with a Malaysian passport can enter the country and vice versa, such an aircraft will be highly suspicious to anyone seeing it.

One more thought, it is relatively very easy to paint an Aircraft with any one Logo, it is sometimes done with advertisments for specific occasions and charter planes are being painted all the time and there is no necassity to actually bring a plane such as Boeing which is common enough to the country unless it has some special markings that can survive whatever they are planning for it. Something just does not add up with this story, the more I think about it.


GA Telesis LLC [...] currently has a fleet of only 1 stored plane ... ? Weird indeed.

GA Telesis Continues to Provide Best-In-Class Component Support via Disassembly of Boeing 777-200ER, 767-200ER and 757-200ER (http://www.gatelesis.com/ga-telesis-disassembles-boeing-777-200er-767-200er-and-757-200er/)

July 10, 2013 Ft. Lauderdale, FL

GA Telesis, LLC (“GAT”), announced that it has started the dismantling process for three Boeing aircraft, including one 777-200ER (TRENT 800) (MSN 28418) ex-Malaysia Airlines, one 767-200ER (CF6-80A) (MSN 22326) ex American Airlines and one 757-200 (PW2000) (MSN 25276) ex-United Airlines.

All aircraft have entered the GA Telesis disassembly production line in the USA, and the aircraft dismantling and remarketing efforts will be led by the GA Telesis supply chain and global sales teams respectively.

GA Telesis has been a recognized leader in the aftermarket by becoming the only company to have substantial dismantling and parts redistribution capabilities on three continents. These three acquisitions represent a significant financial commitment towards supporting its customers. A market leader, GA Telesis has always taken an innovative approach towards supporting the aftermarket by providing access high-quality overhauled components for in-production and legacy aircraft. GA Telesis is the first-and-only company to part-out more than one 777-200 and has another 777-200ER aircraft scheduled for disassembly in August. The 777 transactions, as well as the addition of the Boeing 767-200ER and 757-200ER disassembly programs reflects GA Telesis’ dedication to understanding the requirements of their customers’ and the industry’s needs.

For additional information: please contact Rebecca C. Longo at rlongo@gatelesis.com
There is no clone of MH370, the so-called 'double' is a totally different plane with different serial numbers.

[SilentFeathers]

Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!


The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-mystery-over-in-the-next-few-days/

[Operator]

Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!


The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-mystery-over-in-the-next-few-days/

Yes, he just has to say they found the pinger and identified the plane ... there's nobody to verify it :p case closed ... :(

[SilentFeathers]

Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!


The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-mystery-over-in-the-next-few-days/

Yes, he just has to say they found the pinger and identified the plane ... there's nobody to verify it :p case closed ... :(

It wouldn't surprise me if they soon present us with a black box (not bolted to any plane parts and scratch free) with a suicide note duct-taped to it from the pilot.

(and also a last minute confession from the pilot recorded on the device) We'll never hear it but they'll release a transcript of the confession!

[Roisin]

Information I had in this box before was only meant to be here temporarily.

My only hope is that things will be set up by those involved with the search of this plane in such a way to bring some closure for the loved ones of those passengers who were on that plane.

In the meantime, I will keep them in my prayers.

------------------------------------------------------------------
UPDATE:

M'sian minister DENIES report MH370 'skirted Indonesian airspace' to evade radar




KUALA LUMPUR - The crashed Malaysia Airlines flight, MH370 had not skirted Indonesian airspace in a bid to evade radar detection as reported by CNN, said acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein.

"I got the Chief of the Malaysian Defence Force to contact his Indonesian counterpart, and they have confirmed they have had no sighting of the plane," said Hishammuddin at the MH370 press conference held at the Royal Chulan here on Monday.

Hishammuddin had been asked about the report made by CNN senior international correspondent Phil Robertson, who quoted a "senior Malaysian Government official" confirming that the information regarding the flight of the Boeing 777 had been determined based on radar data from Malaysia's neighbours.

"After the Malaysia Airlines flight 370 took that left-hand turn and deviated from its path to Beijing, flew across Malaysia... the official now says that they know from looking at radar data from neighbouring countries that the flight then skirted the radar airspace of Indonesia," Robertson had said in his report from Kuala Lumpur.

MH370, which had been missing for 17 days before it was declared by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Abdul Razak on March 24 to have ended its flight in the Southern Indian Ocean, disappeared from Malaysian radars at 2.15am on March 8 after taking off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport for Beijing at 1.30am. It carried 239 passengers and crew. -Asiaone




Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=258882:msian-minister-denies-report-mh370-skirted-indonesian-airspace-to-evade-radar&Itemid=2#ixzz2yFp0LjEZ
Follow us: @MsiaChronicle on Twitter

[Elainie]

http://www.redicemembers.com/secure/radio/program.php?id=835


Mark Gray - Symbolic Codes & Number Signs of the Missing MH370 Airliner
April 2, 2014
Mark Gray has degrees in Chemistry, Nutrition, and Chiropractic. He has been looking at patterns and synchronicities in symbols, myth and numbers for almost 20 years. Some of his favorite research was in the US Capitol, which resulted in the book “Freedoms Gate: the Lost Symbols in the US Capitol,” co-authored with investigative mythologist William Henry. We’ll begin discussing 2014, the year of the horse and relevant horse themes found in pop-culture. He’ll also discuss numbers and codes seen in pop-culture as well as trident symbolism at the Sochi Olympics. In the second hour, Mark speaks about four different codes that are “numerically switched” and “signs” to look for. He’ll share symbolism related to the missing MH370 airplane going from Malaysia to China. We discuss how this event echoes 9/11. He relates flight MH370 to the TV show Lost and speculates on what may have happened to the 239 passengers. There are also hints that some have hijacked the plane to use it for later terrorist attacks, while blaming their opposition. Mark also talks about significant events and bombings that have taken place on July 22nd, suggesting the signatures of a false flag or an instigated event. Later, he talks about the latest Superman movie, Man of Steel which shows trident shaped spaceships crashing over the Indian Ocean. The hour ends on potential future insight that can be made to understand what can be forecasted using numbers.

[SilentFeathers]

Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!


The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-mystery-over-in-the-next-few-days/


Oops! 30 days are up now and can't hear the pings any more! Time to get back to the drawing board to craft up another lie to string people along!

Missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing:Search team loses Flight MH370 Blackbox signal / Breaking News (http://www.nationalturk.com/en/missing-malaysia-airlines-boeingsearch-team-loses-flight-mh370-blackbox-signal-breaking-news-49228)

[Operator]

Hang loose folk's, the mystery is almost over! LOL!


The mystery revolving around the missing Malaysia Airlines jet could be over “in the next few days, if not hours,” according to Malaysian Transportation Minister Hishammudin Bin Hussein.

http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-mystery-over-in-the-next-few-days/


Oops! 30 days are up now and can't hear the pings any more! Time to get back to the drawing board to craft up another lie to string people along!

Missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing:Search team loses Flight MH370 Blackbox signal / Breaking News (http://www.nationalturk.com/en/missing-malaysia-airlines-boeingsearch-team-loses-flight-mh370-blackbox-signal-breaking-news-49228)

It's 30 days guaranteed and then the battery will slowly get exhausted ...

[Roisin]

U.N. Says It Detected No Crash or Explosion
(test results from this past weekend)

Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/u-n-says-it-detected-no-crash-or-explosion-n55256


"Sensitive nuclear monitoring equipment has found no evidence that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 exploded or crashed, the U.N. said Monday.

While seismic systems used by the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization are intended to detect nuclear explosions, they're also capable of picking up "the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water," Stephane Dujarric, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's spokesman, told reporters in New York.

But tests over the weekend had confirmed that "neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Dujarric said Monday.

The organization's executive secretary ordered that all its sensors be used to try to find the plane, and he encouraged scientists from around the world to "carefully study the available data," Dujarric said."

— M. Alex Johnson

(Article published Tues. April 8th, 2014)

[Atlas]

This was first released 3 weeks ago:

UNITED NATIONS, MARCH 18:
A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

“Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight... the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Dujarric said plane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS).

While the verification system has been put in place to detect nuclear explosions, it is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water.

CTBTO Executive Secretary Lassina Zerbo had last week said that he would put the sensors of the organization at work to see if a possible explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could be detected.

Zerbo has also encouraged all scientists from UN member states to carefully study the available data. He had said the CTBTO uses “infrasound” — or infrasonic sensors — to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions.

Dujarric said the CTBTO has a network, as part of their Test-Ban-Treaty, of extremely sensitive sensors throughout the world that detect nuclear explosions and earthquakes.

The flight MH370 carrying 239 people has been missing since March 8 and a multi-national search has so far shed little light on where the plane could have landed or crashed.

Zerbo had asked the head of the CTBTO’s International Data Center (IDC) to look at the data to find any clues about the missing plane.

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, “or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected.”

“There’s a possibility, it’s not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect” an explosion, he had said.

The mystery of the missing plane from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing since March 8 continued to baffle aviation and security authorities who have not succeeded in tracking the aircraft despite deploying hi-tech radar and other gadgets.

(This article was published on March 18, 2014)

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/international/mh370-un-nuclear-watchdog-says-no-explosion-or-crash-detected/article5799419.ece

[Roisin]

As the NBC news link states that was published today, April 8th, 2014, they conducted additional tests this past weekend to further validate their findings that wrt to that airliner, there was no crash or explosion.

Their initial findings though were first published on March 18th but since then, last weekend they conducted more tests to back up their findings on that.

[Atlas]

So why do they use the exact same quote ?




But tests over the weekend had confirmed that "neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Dujarric said Monday.




neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

[Roisin]

As I stated before in past posts in this forum wrt this missing plane, that plane never crashed in the Indian Ocean. The information in the above 2 news documents confirm that sentiment very strongly.

That information is not based on conjectures but on hard-core verifiable scientific fact.

[Roisin]

So why do they use the exact same quote ?




But tests over the weekend had confirmed that "neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Dujarric said Monday.




neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Thanks for pointing that out! Very interesting!

The NBC article on this was published today, April 8th So it appears that it left out that the information was taken from that original article published on March 18th but it didn't state that in their article.

At any rate, that it was not published by a major news organization (NBC) until today indicates that we are not getting some important news updates on this missing plane in the kind of timely fashion that would allow the avg. person to make informed opinions about this missing plane.

Once again, this information gives credible support to the contention that the plane never crashed in the Indian Ocean in the first place!

[Lifebringer]

Gee, I wonder if they'll go to internet to find out about the Wood's fellow text, the 3 disc on the radar screens of all the air traffic controllers, or the fact they shape shifted into plane shapes before interception.

Also, how the plane upon take off, was being monitored, by one of the shape shifting disc/planes at the back of the runway, looking as if it was to take off after MH307. Funny how all the disc shape shifting planes disappeared off the radar screen after MH first made several directional changes, right, left, right, then massive speed, (faster than other plane blips on screen) whizzing by other planes, and then the disc in front, closing in slowly as a plane would upon collision, and then "NO planes or disc on radar.) Three air traffic controllers downloaded on You Tube the public recorded minute by minute occurrence, posting it the 2nd day. Then comes the Diego base news, and then nothing. So someone is saying the plane exploded, and the UN, and other scientist of expertise, are saying: "Hold on, THERE WAS NO EXPLOSION, SO YOUR HYPOTHICIZING IS MOOT."

LOL

It's gonna all come out next week or so. Too many families witnessed this "incompetent blunder on mic, or temporary abduction, by "natti" or ET trying to get the truth to 289 passengers. But I think the 2nd scenario of "faux tragedy to absorb emotion to keep them strong" has slowly unraveled their whole tapestry of hidden manipulating of the masses/population, by mic to distract from the ICCC and the banker suicides as well as all the stuff with the Fort Hood, cia suicide by top guy? Hmm... sounds like a buckle up and keep your eyes peeled for the sthtf" on them as they have tried to do unto us. Ahhh...God/Source is good.

So far, three scenerios/possibilities, and NONE of them a plane "crash.":wizard::heh::dance:

Like it or not, the stuff is gonna come out and I also wonder whether the Vatican will be the announcers because the GOP are causing so much crapola for the corporations, that the Prez can't get a serious answer or announcement otherwise. Can you imagine some declaring that "he isn't the one to handle it, and then the "hidden mic hand" declare martial law, setting off chain reactions of people's/citizen's rights being stripped. My guess is if new POPE is just a figure head in the Vatican, because the old master won't step down and is hiding from prosecution for cult pedophilia and murder, that the new Pope will make the move to expose them all for the liars over the centuries for power and manipulation. What if.....you betcha, all day long.:lol:

[Roisin]

The you tube video on the link below is an excellent presentation on how the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS) works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6t9Vn7-9eU&list=PL780AED1ACA175D02

[spiritguide]

The UN is a political organization. Repeat, the UN is a political organization. How can you tell when a politician lies? a: When they move their mouths. The history of the UN and it's goals are outlined and it is a dismal failure to date. UN peacekeeping is a laugh IMHO.

Peace!

[Roisin]

Now that we know that the plane never crashed into the Indian Ocean, the question is, who or what has been orchestrating that search in the Indian for that plane?

Selene posted some very interesting information a couple of days ago in another thread on the topic of how they came about focusing in that ocean and that they were most likely directed to that area by US Intelligence:


I think the calculation here is a much darker and more cynical one than that of the US simply being seen as The Good Guys. It is in the realm of high stakes political poker, in that Machiavellian stream of “never letting a good crisis go to waste.”

Herewith:

• Let’s assume the plane actually went down catastrophically, for whatever reason: mechanical failure, failed hijacking, suicide, it was Thursday. Whatever.

• The US spy-in-the-sky system, calibrated to watch weapons movements, explosions of any type, UFO arrivals and departures, golf balls in motion, etc is by far one of the secret government’s most closely held secrets. They saw the plane go down; they know exactly where and when.

However:

• All 239 lives have already been lost;

• At no time must this US secret space program be exposed or compromised. 239 casualties aren’t worth admitting to the level of surveillance we are under. That’s a non-starter.

• There is no true upside to leading a rescue, there’s only recovery of the remains to be had, but a big downside in exposing the secret program.


But an opportunity presents itself:


• Given the present superior position of China as the world’s largest holder of US Dollar Treasury bonds there’s much more upside for the secret government/cabal in using assistance in the recovery process to gain some much-needed political leverage with the Chinese.

• Beijing’s toes are not to be stepped on lightly by cavalierly denying them a prominent role in recovering their own citizens. Bigfooting it here would breed resentment and loss of face. This would be a serious tactical error and the Chinese have long memories. On the other hand, letting the Chinese be the heroes....

Therefore:

• Do you really think it’s “coincidence” that it was a Chinese vessel that made the lucky strike, hundreds of miles from the official search area?

• Or is it more likely that they were quietly pointed toward some “interesting coordinates” by “a friend”.....?

I know what I’d think...

Cheers,

Selene

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=819483&viewfull=1#post819483


In my view, I'm not ruling out that the undersea technology that was generating those pings at what is alleged to be at the same frequency of airliner black boxes, could have been planted there by nefarious agencies. It would be very easy to do that where the generation of those pings were remotely controlled. Conveniently enough, those pings were generating just a few days before the pings from flight 370's black box were supposed to cease... due to the approx 30 exp. date on that. So naturally all of those search ships zoomed over to that area to analyze those pings which, right on schedule, ceased today because the 30 day period for the emission of those pings is over. Pretty nifty right? Right on schedule! Amazing! lol

[Hervé]

My question is: why start a new thread on this instead of keeping the available data within the original thread: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers)?

[edit: thread are now merged]

[Roisin]

The UN is a political organization. Repeat, the UN is a political organization. How can you tell when a politician lies? a: When they move their mouths. The history of the UN and it's goals are outlined and it is a dismal failure to date. UN peacekeeping is a laugh IMHO.

Peace!

The information reported by the UN on this is from an entirely different and independent entity called the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS). They are the ones who conducted those tests wrt to this missing airliner but in any case,
even though the UN supports the testing results of that organization on this, they didn't bother to report any of that information to any major news organization.... not until today.

So this indicates that they are going along with the rest of them on the suppression of significant information about this missing plane where in this case, they delayed information about those findings until today when it was finally reported on NBC news.

I don't trust the UN either but I especially do not trust anything coming out of US Intelligence and the ones who are in charge of the search of that missing plane on the Indian Ocean when in fact, they know it never crashed there in the first place!

Also, there may be opposing factions within the UN and US intelligence wrt to this plane and the release of pertinent information about it to the public.

[Roisin]

My question is: why start a new thread on this instead of keeping the available data within the original thread: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers)?

I agree.. this thread should be tagged onto that thread and so should those other 2 threads on this missing plane that were created after that original one too.

If a mod does that, I'm fine with that but to me, this newest information puts everything about that missing plane into a new light.

This is very important news and is worthy of it's own thread but I have no qualms at all if it goes back to the original Flight 370 thread here.

Please make a similar complaint at:

* "No missing plane" thread

* and the other one started up on if that plane landed at the Diego Garcia airport and if there are underwater bases there or that...

* Amazing (if proved true) IBM ENGINEER TAKEN FROM HIJACKED FLIGHT 370 SENDS TEXT

Just checked those out and I'm not seeing you making any complaints that those threads were created even though there's already a main thread on this plane...:cool:

[Hervé]

Just because, IMO, I consider this valid data; the other two (ooops...three)... well...

[Roisin]

Just because, IMO, I consider this valid data; the other two... well...

Like I said, no prob here if the mods want to transfer this thread to that main one. In fact, now that you bring this up, I would prefer that they do that. thanks :)

PS -- my apologies for starting a different thread up like this on having to do with that plane. Now in retrospect, I should have posted information about that NBC news article in that main thread.

On the other hand though because much of the focus in that thread was on the Indian Ocean search for that plane, because that article gives information indicating that it never even crashed there may warrant a new thread.. I don't know. I started this new on based on that sentiment but maybe I should have just posted it in the main one instead.

[Atlas]

even though the UN supports the testing results of that organization on this, they didn't bother to report any of that information to any major news organization.... not until today.

Sorry Roisin but they did. 3 weeks ago, maybe you have missed it in the US but it appeared on several news media websites elsewhere. I didn't feel the need to add this info on the main thread at the time. So no, they didn't suppress anything here.

THIS INFO IS 3 WEEKS OLD IN CASE YOU DID NOT NOTICE.

[Hervé]

even though the UN supports the testing results of that organization on this, they didn't bother to report any of that information to any major news organization.... not until today.

Sorry Roisin but they did. 3 weeks ago, maybe you have missed it in the US but it appeared on several news media websites elsewhere. I didn't feel the need to add this info on the main thread at the time.

There!

Buares, it's all your fault! :)

[Roisin]

even though the UN supports the testing results of that organization on this, they didn't bother to report any of that information to any major news organization.... not until today.

Sorry Roisin but they did. 3 weeks ago, maybe you have missed it in the US but it appeared on several news media websites elsewhere. I didn't feel the need to add this info on the main thread at the time. So no, they didn't suppress anything here.

THIS INFO IS 3 WEEKS OLD IN CASE YOU DID NOT NOTICE.


Wow... so 3 weeks ago, you didn't think this was important information hence why you didn't post it in that other thread? The search for that plane in the Indian Ocean was by that time well underway... It sounds like you too thought it crashed there and that the information that is the topic of this thread was contrary to your own beliefs on that... that it crashed in that ocean.

So for that reason you decided to not post that article from March 18th there.

Very interesting.

I'm only making assumptions here but this is what it seems like.

[Hervé]

Now, back to the topic, the only realistic conclusion that can be drawn from the "seismographic" data analysis is that there was no high altitude free fall crash nor huge explosion fitting in that time window.

That doesn't exclude low altitude crash or belly landing or multiple small explosions, etc...

[Atlas]

Notice the date and the long list of websites:

http://newsroom.ctbto.org/2014/03/11/ctbto-infrasound-data-being-analyzed-for-possible-clues-on-missing-flight-mh370/

What say you ?

[Atlas]

even though the UN supports the testing results of that organization on this, they didn't bother to report any of that information to any major news organization.... not until today.

Sorry Roisin but they did. 3 weeks ago, maybe you have missed it in the US but it appeared on several news media websites elsewhere. I didn't feel the need to add this info on the main thread at the time. So no, they didn't suppress anything here.

THIS INFO IS 3 WEEKS OLD IN CASE YOU DID NOT NOTICE.


Wow... so you didn't think this was important information hence why you didn't post it in that other thread?

That's amazing!

It's always better to say nothing rather than to spread bull****, isn't it ?

[Roisin]

At this point. the date of the original publication of that information is not even important anymore Buares...

It's that it was published at all and considering the source of that information which is a reputable organization comprised of some of the top scientists in the world.... that's all that's important now.

I'm just amazed how the media ignored this information. Some may have published it but none of them seemed interested in analyzing it and its importance to this case.

[Roisin]

even though the UN supports the testing results of that organization on this, they didn't bother to report any of that information to any major news organization.... not until today.

Sorry Roisin but they did. 3 weeks ago, maybe you have missed it in the US but it appeared on several news media websites elsewhere. I didn't feel the need to add this info on the main thread at the time. So no, they didn't suppress anything here.

THIS INFO IS 3 WEEKS OLD IN CASE YOU DID NOT NOTICE.


Wow... so 3 weeks ago, you didn't think this was important information hence why you didn't post it in that other thread? The search for that plane in the Indian Ocean was by that time well underway... It sounds like you too thought it crashed there and that the information that is the topic of this thread was contrary to your own beliefs on that... that it crashed in that ocean.

So for that reason you decided to not post that article from March 18th there.

Very interesting.

I'm only making assumptions here but this is what it seems like.

It's always better to say nothing rather than to spread bull****, isn't it ?

You are wrong but at any rate, your above statement proves my suspicions on your motive on why you didn't post any information about that article.

Now I'm glad I started up a new thread on this topic.

[Atlas]

Wow... so 3 weeks ago, you didn't think this was important information hence why you didn't post it in that other thread? The search for that plane in the Indian Ocean was by that time well underway... It sounds like you too thought it crashed there and that the information that is the topic of this thread was contrary to your own beliefs on that... that it crashed in that ocean.

So for that reason you decided to not post that article from March 18th there.

Very interesting.

I'm only making assumptions here but this is what it seems like.

May I suggest you keep your assumptions for yourself. I post what I want, I don't need people to tell me what to post, thanks.

[Atlas]

The below article was published 3 weeks ago:

Could a small BOMB have been hidden inside one of the crates of fruit stacked in the cargo hold on MH370? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583207/Could-small-BOMB-hidden-inside-one-crates-fruit-stacked-cargo-hold-MH370-A-new-theory-investigated.html)

Why didn't you post it ? Did you refuse to do so, or what was your motive ? Please explain...

(source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583207/Could-small-BOMB-hidden-inside-one-crates-fruit-stacked-cargo-hold-MH370-A-new-theory-investigated.html)

[Roisin]

Buare... please stop diverting from the topic of this thread. We are not talking about it being first published on the 18th... And so what if it was. That does not make that information any less valid.
Please go back to that other thread ok?? Please???


Once again.... here is the topic of this thread. It's on this NBC news article:

U.N. Says It Detected No Crash or Explosion


"Sensitive nuclear monitoring equipment has found no evidence that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 exploded or crashed, the U.N. said Monday.

While seismic systems used by the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization are intended to detect nuclear explosions, they're also capable of picking up "the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water," Stephane Dujarric, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's spokesman, told reporters in New York.

But tests over the weekend had confirmed that "neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Dujarric said Monday.

The organization's executive secretary ordered that all its sensors be used to try to find the plane, and he encouraged scientists from around the world to "carefully study the available data," Dujarric said."

[Bob]

Roisin posted in another thread, "Missing Jet Update, UN says it detected no crash or explosion (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70295-Missing-Jet-Update-U.N.-Says-It-Detected-No-Crash-or-Explosion&p=820076&viewfull=1#post820076)" (with a suggestion that that thread be merged with this one).. that there is an organization that uses monitoring stations that can detect atmospheric infrasonic (very low pressure waves) - such is part of the monitoring network for the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

They monitor in the Air and Water (infrasonic microphones and hydrophones), they monitor from seismic (sensitive seismometers) earth mounted detectors, and they monitor 24/7 using a 4 geosynchronous 100% earth monitoring satellite system not letting any area of the earth be un-monitored at any time (synthetic aperture radar). And they use other sensors for picking up radio-active substances in the air.

The organization doing the monitoring publishes a FACT SHEET in PDF form. - http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/nwgs/ctbt-fact-sheet.pdf

They also publish a map showing the sensor locations worldwide..

Something that caught my attention in their map:
http://www.ctbto.org/fileadmin/content/reference/outreach/ims_mapfront.pdf
(full map at the above pdf)
snipped map here:

http://chanlo.com/images/sensor-1.jpg

Legend:

http://chanlo.com/images/legend-1.jpg

There are two sensor locations "out in the ocean" - with corresponding identification numbers..

One location looks like it is at Diego Garcia - with sensors identified as:
IS52 - InfraSound monitor
RN66 - Radio Nuclide Station
HA8 - underwater hydrophone

Another one towards the Australian continent:
IS6 - Infra Sound Monitor
RN8 - RadioNuclide Station
(What other island(?) is this and does it have a big runway? Who is based there?) A: Cocos Keeling Islands, over 8000 foot runway, potential key strategic military base location (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/cocos-confirmed-as-pivotal-military-base/story-e6frg8yo-1226346265696)

The data according to the statement at the bottom of "the map" says, the data is transmitted to the IDC (international data center) located in CTBTO PrepCom in Vienna.

My suggestion is for someone to request that data from those two monitoring locations pointed out above.

NB: To get the last 45 days from sensors - IS52, HA8, and IS6

If one wanted to try "triangulation of anomalies" adding in InfraSound sensors from IS16 on the mainland would add the third point. A hyperbolic curve (similar to Inmarsat's projected flight curve) could be obtained with just the data from the two sensors IS52 and IS6 though which should be closer to the "crash" area.

Obviously a "second opinion" on the data-sets stored in Vienna would be appropriate to verify, and cross-check data, potentially leading to an explosion site (or air explosion if such happened), and potentially a crash site (but I seriously doubt that a crash into the water would set off a very large infra-sonic signature at such a distance from the monitors).

Can anyone help with getting this exact data from those monitors? with reference to take off's and landings.

Potential useful tracking "data" obtained from these locations:

http://chanlo.com/images/sensor-2.jpg

As far as the InSar satellites goes - in theory, the interference pattern created by a jet flying would leave a track (if the data has been captured), showing the movement, directional heading of this flight. Supposedly we could assume then, the IDC (international data center) located in CTBTO PrepCom in Vienna would have that data as well, or could obtain such if it hasn't already..

ref: INSAR Q/A understanding the monitoring satellites (http://vldb.gsi.go.jp/sokuchi/sar/qanda/qanda-e.html).

[Atlas]

Buare... please stop diverting from the topic of this thread. We are not talking about it being first published on the 18th... And so what if it was. That does not make that information any less valid.

It was published on the 11th and no, that does not make the information less valid.

[Roisin]

It either crashed or it didn't. Scientific data indicates that it never crashed on land or water.

That's the topic of this thread Buares. Ok?

There's no scientific data that indicates in any way, shape or form that it did... as you believe, crash in the Indian Ocean.

PS .... Buares... for the 100th time, the topic of this thread is on that NBC article that I posted at the beginning of this thread... I even labeled this thread with that headline.

Please refrain from diverting any conversation on the contents of that article in this thread. Ok? Thank you.

[Atlas]

Here is the official data:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/IDC_infrasound_MalaysianAirlines_MH3701.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/IDC_infrasound_MalaysianAirlines_MH3702.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/IDC_infrasound_MalaysianAirlines_MH3703.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/IDC_infrasound_MalaysianAirlines_MH3704.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/IDC_infrasound_MalaysianAirlines_MH3705.jpg

[Roisin]

Please post the link to that article Buares. thank you

Here's the original file on that and it's 5 pages long:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/CTBTO-IDC_infrasound_MalaysianAirlines_MH370.pdf


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Flight MH370: UN N-watchdog says no explosion or crash detected

UNITED NATIONS: A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

"Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight... the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Source: http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-03-18/news/48330862_1_missing-plane-plane-crash-ctbto

[Atlas]

EDIT: Threads were merged (see next post) so I remove this double post.

[Billy]

Like I said, no prob here if the mods want to transfer this thread to that main one. In fact, now that you bring this up, I would prefer that they do that. thanks :)




Threads Merged.

Peace

[Bob]

Here is the official data:


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/IDC_infrasound_MalaysianAirlines_MH3705.jpg

IS06 then is Cocos Island, and IS52 and H8 is on Diego Garcia..

It is suggested that 45 days of monitoring data is essential to be obtained from those locations. I would say essential actually.

The runway at Cocos is 8,009 ft × 148 ft, which should be "long enough".. in theory. Its a bit out of the way tho..

Roisin does this pix look familiar?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Cocos_%28Keeling%29_Islands_Airport_-_RWY33.jpg

Ed update:


http://cc.amazingcounters.com/counter.php?i=3190880&c=9572953


http://chanlo.com/images/infra-1.jpg

see above, the LAST PARAGRAPH should be obvious what that means for the IS52 sensor log.. :)