Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Roisin]

Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370: UN N-watchdog says no explosion or crash detected

Tags: Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization, CTBTO, Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, Malaysian Airlines Flight, MH370



United Nations, Mar 18: A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

“Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight… the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Dujarric said plane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS). While the verification system has been put in place to detect nuclear explosions, it is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water.

CTBTO Executive Secretary Lassina Zerbo had last week said that he would put the sensors of the organization at work to see if a possible explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could be detected.

Zerbo has also encouraged all scientists from UN member states to carefully study the available data. He had said the CTBTO uses “infrasound” – or infrasonic sensors – to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions.

Dujarric said the CTBTO has a network, as part of their Test-Ban-Treaty, of extremely sensitive sensors throughout the world that detect nuclear explosions and earthquakes.

The flight MH370 carrying 239 people has been missing since March 8 and a multi-national search has so far shed little light on where the plane could have landed or crashed.

Zerbo had asked the head of the CTBTO’s International Data Center (IDC) to look at the data to find any clues about the missing plane.

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, “or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected.”

“There’s a possibility, it’s not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect” an explosion, he had said.

The mystery of the missing plane from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing since March 8 continued to baffle aviation and security authorities who have not succeeded in tracking the aircraft despite deploying hi-tech radar and other gadgets.

CTBTO said infrasound is produced by a variety of natural and man-made sources like exploding volcanoes, earthquakes, meteors, storms and auroras in the natural world; nuclear, mining and large chemical explosions, as well as aircraft and rocket launches in the man-made arena.

Infrasound monitoring is one of the four technologies used by the International Monitoring System (IMS) to verify compliance with the nuclear test ban treaty. The IDC routinely detect signals from commercial planes taking-off and landing at airports located in the proximity of IMS infrasound stations. In the past, CTBTO stations have detected some plane accidents, including the crash of a plane at Narita airport in Japan in March 2009.

Modified Date: March 18, 2014 1:31 PM

http://www.india.com/loudspeaker/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-un-n-watchdog-says-no-explosion-or-crash-detected-24478/

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Flight MH370: UN N-watchdog says no explosion or crash detected

The verification system put in place to detect nuclear explosions is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft as well as its impact on the ground or on water



United Nations, Mar 18 (PTI): A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

“Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight… the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Dujarric said plane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS).

While the verification system has been put in place to detect nuclear explosions, it is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water.

CTBTO Executive Secretary Lassina Zerbo had last week said that he would put the sensors of the organization at work to see if a possible explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could be detected.

Zerbo has also encouraged all scientists from UN member states to carefully study the available data. He had said the CTBTO uses “infrasound” – or infrasonic sensors – to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions.

Dujarric said the CTBTO has a network, as part of their Test-Ban-Treaty, of extremely sensitive sensors throughout the world that detect nuclear explosions and earthquakes.

The flight MH370 carrying 239 people has been missing since March 8 and a multi-national search has so far shed little light on where the plane could have landed or crashed.

Zerbo had asked the head of the CTBTO’s International Data Center (IDC) to look at the data to find any clues about the missing plane.

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, “or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected.”

“There’s a possibility, it’s not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect” an explosion, he had said.

The mystery of the missing plane from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing since March 8 continued to baffle aviation and security authorities who have not succeeded in tracking the aircraft despite deploying hi-tech radar and other gadgets.

http://www.tehelka.com/flight-mh370-un-n-watchdog-says-no-explosion-or-crash-detected/

[panopticon]

Here is the official data:


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/IDC_infrasound_MalaysianAirlines_MH3705.jpg

IS06 then is Cocos Island, and IS52 and H8 is on Diego Garcia..

It is suggested that 45 days of monitoring data is essential to be obtained from those locations. I would say essential actually.

The runway at Cocos is 8,009 ft × 148 ft, which should be "long enough".. in theory. Its a bit out of the way tho..

Roisin does this pix look familiar?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Cocos_%28Keeling%29_Islands_Airport_-_RWY33.jpg

Beat me by that much... :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocos_(Keeling)_Islands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocos_(Keeling)_Islands_Airport
http://www.cocoskeelingislands.com.au

-- Pan

[Roisin]

Here is the official data:


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/IDC_infrasound_MalaysianAirlines_MH3705.jpg

IS06 then is Cocos Island, and IS52 and H8 is on Diego Garcia..

It is suggested that 45 days of monitoring data is essential to be obtained from those locations. I would say essential actually.

The runway at Cocos is 8,009 ft × 148 ft, which should be "long enough".. in theory. Its a bit out of the way tho..

Roisin does this pix look familiar?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Cocos_%28Keeling%29_Islands_Airport_-_RWY33.jpg

Beat me by that much... :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocos_(Keeling)_Islands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocos_(Keeling)_Islands_Airport
http://www.cocoskeelingislands.com.au

-- Pan

That photo is interesting to me because that small airport that I "saw" seemed somewhat retro... and the runway in that photo looks old and not modernized. Also, from my viewpoint or rather, my line of vision saw a waterbody on one side of that runway... I had my back to the other side of it so I could not tell what was behind me. But very interesting photo and it does have a certain familiarity to it. Not just saying this either... it really does.

[Hervé]

Bumpity-bump:


Now, back to the topic, the only realistic conclusion that can be drawn from the "seismographic" data analysis is that there was no high altitude free fall crash nor huge explosion fitting in that time window.

That doesn't exclude low altitude crash or belly landing or multiple small explosions, etc...

[Bob]

An airport about this level of "development" ?

Cocos Keeling "international" airport


http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/51056225.jpg
topic - did "it" land there, this is in the route projection as a possibility..

also- there are sensors here that MONITOR aircraft takeoff and landings as was posted earlier, infrasonic sensors.. and sensors on diego garcia (hint hint hint) that routinely monitor take offs and landings..

Please see my post above http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=820111&viewfull=1#post820111 above for the significances..


http://chanlo.com/images/infra-1.jpg


http://cc.amazingcounters.com/counter.php?i=3190880&c=9572953

[Roisin]

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/HomeIslandwedding2.jpg (http://s932.photobucket.com/user/A99_x/media/HomeIslandwedding2.jpg.html)

Saw a muslim girl wearing a scarf and a bike in that lucid dream of that airport and runway with a jumbo jet parked on the tarmac pic above is showing a wedding party on that island.

Bikes are in an old rack in front of the airport's building so that indicates that people use the bike to get around on that island.

Also I said that there could be a university nearby or affiliated with that airport and based on Babd's pic... that building apparently is an Information center and Museum at that airport. Not the same but all of those are learning educational centers.


interesting!

[avid]

Oh deary me = come-out come-out wherever you are, it's only a small matter of time, as the batteries are 'shot', so the HMS Echo ship dashed to Diego Garcia, collected the 'black box' and dropped it off to another ship so it could be 'found' just on deadline...
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2014/04/did-the-hms-echo-pick-up-mh370-black-box-from-diego-garcia-so-ocean-shield-could-find-it-2461592.html

The thot plickens.... will this never end? We just want to know who did what to whom, why, and if there was a global catastrophe averted? Also - to give closure to all of those missing people, who seem to be expendable in the technological nonsense. Of course 'they' know - but as Selene said earlier - they can't admit their technology!!! Unforgiveable, inhumane and stinks of corporate greed again.

[Bob]

One can "drop a box" from an aircraft, and lots have been flying in the area, as pointed out, and the "boxes" cost 10K-15K$.. not a big investment considering how much it costs to search with ships.. they are designed to withstand being tossed about from an aircraft from thousands of feet.. no need to drop one off by boat.. As to Diego Garcia, all the points are simple, the flights in and out of Diego Garcia AND Cocos are on record.. and could be checked against projected landing times. :cool:

As pointed out in an earlier post, any black box flight data recorder can be programmed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=819657&viewfull=1#post819657), "filled with simulated/emulated data" and what's then stored in there can say anything desired as far as data goes. (An example patent that showed an apparatus for doing such type of programming was mentioned). A recorder putting out signals past it's battery life time easily could be from a "freshly dropped" recorder.

Should all that be the case as far as the "box" goes, why would such have to be done, other than it will give a convenient method to keep a plane and its events disappeared.. or a convenient way to "create closure".

As mentioned on the UN report, if they are not fabricating their capabilities of monitoring aircraft taking off, and landing, by using infrasonic records, that their records prove one way or another, landings/takeoffs as previously suggested in the various conspiracy websites, and other websites, that correspond to "CDC lands at Diego Garcia (US and China) long before the missing plane.. (http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-mystery-deepens-after-top-disease-experts-rushed-to-indian-ocean/)" (reference to a potential hazardous cargo/infection), or they could verify possibly the plane seen at the Maldives (the vibration of such could have been recorded if it in fact happened) that morning, or if it landed at the projected landing time at Diego Garcia. AND if it took off afterwards..

[Roisin]

US military eyes Cocos Islands as a future Indian Ocean spy base



United States military aircraft, including drones undertaking surveillance operations over the South China Sea, could be based on Australia's Cocos and Keeling Islands in the Indian Ocean.

As part of enhanced US-Australian military co-operation announced in November by Julia Gillard and the US President, Barack Obama, the islands would replace the US's present Indian Ocean base of Diego Garcia, which the US leases from the British and is due to be mothballed in 2016.

The Washington Post reported yesterday that the US was eyeing the Cocos Islands, 2700 kilometres east of Diego Garcia, as ''an ideal site not only for manned US surveillance aircraft but for Global Hawks, an unarmed, high-altitude surveillance drone''.


''Aircraft based in the Cocos would be well positioned to launch spy flights over the South China Sea,'' the Post reported....

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/us-military-eyes-cocos-islands-as-a-future-indian-ocean-spy-base-20120327-1vwo0.html#ixzz2yK8I4C79

Published March 26, 2012

[Atlas]

Military secrets are not for civilian TV news (http://rt.com/op-edge/lost-airliner-malaysia-nato-china-365/)
by Tony Gosling, April 04

[...] MH370’s pilot was simply called by the military on a frequency not being recorded by Air Traffic Control and told something along the lines of, “Vietnamese and other unspecified airspace is suddenly unsafe to fly in due to a military incident so please change frequency and follow instructions to a distant airstrip where we can put you down safely." The was followed by something like, "Please do not inform passengers as this may alarm them.” The pilot would then be likely to simply comply and passengers may never know that anything was wrong. [...]

[Atlas]

Update by Duncan Steel (http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/621), April 08:

I have so far modelled plausible aircraft paths for uniform speeds of 300, 400 and 460 knots, turning either northwards or southwards

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/C_3D_a.png

Here is an expanded view of the northern paths:

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/C_3D_e.png

Here is an expanded view of the southern paths:

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/C_3D_c.png

I caution again that my ping rings positions were themselves entered by eye, and so may be erroneously placed by 10 km/10 nm, perhaps more.

[...]

An implication of this, if it is correct, would be devastating given that the searches have concentrated upon the Indian Ocean. The implication, of course, is that the LOS speed(s) of the aircraft do not favour one direction (north or south) over the other. Unless I have made a serious error somewhere, the Inmarsat engineers made a mistake in their analysis.

[...]

The posts, by Dr Yaoqiu Kuang, a professor at the State Key Laboratory of Isotope Geochemistry of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, draw attention to imagery from NASA’s Terra satellite which indicate a smoke plume rising from the Beshtash Valley (about 30 kilometres SSE of the town of Talas in Kyrgyzstan), and also thermal emission from the source location of the smoke. The Aqua satellite, which obtained imagery of the same area a few hours later, showed no such smoke plume.

Whilst the area is fairly densely covered in trees, it is at a high elevation and at this time of year covered in snow, so that a forest fire is contra-indicated. Dr Kuang also indicates evidence for rapid snow melting causing the river in the valley to rise.

The locations of Talas and the Beshtash Valley are shown in the graphic below, and can be seen to be fairly close to the termination of the hypothetical 460-knot northern path I have presented earlier in this post.

http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/C_3D_f.png

[Referee]

Note Pentagon blocks all leave to Diego Garcia

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[Roisin]

Here's an interesting comment on that same You Tube page.


Another twin? Just noticed that they listed another 777 airframe with the same construction number as 370 and the twin in Israel... According to Planespotters.net there is another one with out a Registration Number and stored in France... wat!????

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis-php

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N105GT GA Telesis Boeing 777-2H6(ER) - cn 28416 / ln 155
Airframe Details
Construction Number (MSN) 28416
Line Number 155
Aircraft Type Boeing 777-2H6(ER)
First Flight 25-07-1998
Age 15.7 Years
Airframe Status Stored

9M-MRI Boeing 777-2H6(ER) Malaysia Airlines 2x RR Trent 892 C35Y247 20-10-1998 Leased from ALAFCO
wfu 08-04-2013
std at LDE (France) 04-10-2013

N105GT Boeing 777-2H6(ER) GA Telesis 2x RR Trent 892 21-10-2013 std at TLV (Israel) 04-11-2013

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

it would be quite easy to drop the plane at Diego Garcia, give it some new artowrk and fly it straight out of there

[Roisin]

Published on Mar 27, 2014

Why a clone of Malaysia Flight 370 plane is being stored in Israel since 2013?

Planespotters.net has log entries of two identical twins of the missing Boeing 777 of Malaysia airlines, stored in Lourdes, France and Tel Aviv, Israel since late 2013. Hmmmm.... check link below:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qXksDwJMQI

[Roisin]

Comments in the comment section of that video I posted in my last post:


Glen W
1 week ago

Read about this on Christopher Bollyn's website. To my understanding, the one that was in France is the same one that is in Israel. It was just re-registered before it was transported to Tel Aviv for storage.
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Grey Matter
1 week ago

The one in Lourdes changed registration numbers and went to Tel Aviv. They are the same production number and order number. Not to mention, this plane in question was built over 3.5 years prior to MH370, therefore it's not the twin. Malaysia Airlines has about 3 or 4 more matching planes in storage, and the paint jobs actually match on those airliners,

But here's a comment that came after the ones above:


wtfidonthaveaname
1 week ago

FAIL. The registration number on the "plane in Israel" is N105GT, but the registration number on the plane that is missing is 9M-MRO. This is just a different plane in MA's fleet that had to be grounded for repairs by GA Telesis.

[Flash]

this as already been discussed in this thread, you may just read the thread, and it has been kind of debunked, meaning that the plane is not the same make as the one that disappeared. I remain sceptic either sides, but please read the thread.

[Roisin]

this as already been discussed in this thread, you may just read the thread, and it has been kind of debunked, meaning that the plane is not the same make as the one that disappeared. I remain sceptic either sides, but please read the thread.


Here's what someone else said on that You Tube page that may have relevance to your comment Flash:
wtfidonthaveaname
1 week ago

FAIL. The registration number on the "plane in Israel" is N105GT, but the registration number on the plane that is missing is 9M-MRO. This is just a different plane in MA's fleet that had to be grounded for repairs by GA Telesis.

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Oh, never mind, will do some research on that in this thread and elsewhere. It's all very confusing to me at this point. lol

[Operator]

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FAIL. The registration number on the "plane in Israel" is N105GT, but the registration number on the plane that is missing is 9M-MRO. This is just a different plane in MA's fleet that had to be grounded for repairs by GA Telesis.
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Not correct either ... those are not registration numbers but country determined call signs ...
http://www.arrl.org/international-call-sign-series

9M-MRO belongs to Malaysia
N105GT belongs to USA (that plane should absolutely NOT have Malaysian colors!)

[Roisin]

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Quote wtfidonthaveaname

1 week ago

FAIL. The registration number on the "plane in Israel" is N105GT, but the registration number on the plane that is missing is 9M-MRO. This is just a different plane in MA's fleet that had to be grounded for repairs by GA Telesis.
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Not correct either ... those are not registration numbers but country determined call signs ...
http://www.arrl.org/international-call-sign-series

9M-MRO belongs to Malaysia
N105GT belongs to USA (that plane should absolutely NOT have Malaysian colors!)

Flash said that the information about a twin plane in Israel has been "sort of" debunked here in this thread. So is that the part that's been the debunked? That the plane belongs to the USA? That that plane should not have Malaysian colors but does that warrant further examination?

[Operator]

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Quote wtfidonthaveaname

1 week ago

FAIL. The registration number on the "plane in Israel" is N105GT, but the registration number on the plane that is missing is 9M-MRO. This is just a different plane in MA's fleet that had to be grounded for repairs by GA Telesis.
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Not correct either ... those are not registration numbers but country determined call signs ...
http://www.arrl.org/international-call-sign-series

9M-MRO belongs to Malaysia
N105GT belongs to USA (that plane should absolutely NOT have Malaysian colors!)

Flash said that the information about a twin plane in Israel has been "sort of" debunked here in this thread. So is that the part that's been the debunked? That the plane belongs to the USA? That that plane should not have Malaysian colors but does that warrant further examination?

Sorry, I was a bit brief in that post ... I had not much time and was in a hurry.
I only meant to improve the accuracy of the used words. I will try again, I have bit more time now.

There are lot of numbers and identifications involved with airplanes, we should not mix them up otherwise
it becomes unclear what we are talking about.

For instance Flight MH370 is still flying ... daily or weekly since that is to identify the trip it's making. It is
independent of what type of aircraft it is. Although I can imagine that they changed this regular flight number
like they scrap hurricane names if they caused a lot of casualties. In their communication with ATC they identify
with flight numbers because that's what ATC is dealing with: flights.

Then there is the unique airplane identification like 9M-MRO. It is like a number plate on your car. A cop might
pull you over and give you a ticket using the number on the plate as identification of the car. The number
plate is often related to country and/or state and will change when the car changes to another owner (not
the case b.t.w. in all countries, in the Netherlands the number stays with the car).

With planes it's similar when fighter planes approach the airliner for a visual they will read the identification
from the side of the airliner and call it using that identification ... airforce has to do with planes not flights.
If e.g. an US call sign is found on an airplane with Malaysian markings then there is something wrong. Unless
of course the plane is in transition of changing hands when it is sold.

Then there are of course also the serial numbers that should stay fixed with the physical plane like the number
on your car chassis or engine.

So in the end it is only the serial number that should be used to uniquely identify a physical plane at all times.

I must have missed what the core issue was being subject of debunking but I just jumped in to clarify call signs and
make my remark on the weird combination of an US call sign on a plane with Malaysian markings (if true at all).

[Flash]

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FAIL. The registration number on the "plane in Israel" is N105GT, but the registration number on the plane that is missing is 9M-MRO. This is just a different plane in MA's fleet that had to be grounded for repairs by GA Telesis.
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Not correct either ... those are not registration numbers but country determined call signs ...
http://www.arrl.org/international-call-sign-series

9M-MRO belongs to Malaysia
N105GT belongs to USA (that plane should absolutely NOT have Malaysian colors!)

OHHHH, sooooo interesting! An American plane, in Israel, with Malaysian colors! And by chance similar to the one that disappeared. Truly interesting. They are soooo busted with their plans.

If anything "Iranian" as they are trying to make us believe comes to the surface and is used to attack anywhere, it will be about sure it is coming from the USA and Israel.

Forget the debunked, I did not know Operator's information.

[Operator]

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FAIL. The registration number on the "plane in Israel" is N105GT, but the registration number on the plane that is missing is 9M-MRO. This is just a different plane in MA's fleet that had to be grounded for repairs by GA Telesis.
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Not correct either ... those are not registration numbers but country determined call signs ...
http://www.arrl.org/international-call-sign-series

9M-MRO belongs to Malaysia
N105GT belongs to USA (that plane should absolutely NOT have Malaysian colors!)

OHHHH, sooooo interesting! An American plane, in Israel, with Malaysian colors! And by chance similar to the one that disappeared. Truly interesting. They are busted.

Well remember that it is currently owned by GA Telesis (buying/selling (parts of) planes) and while being in a
hangar it could be in transition of Malaysia selling it to the US or vice versa. That can be verified of course.

Why this is done in Tel Aviv ... ? I don't know, could be usual business too ... Perhaps someone with commercial
connections can pickup the baton from here.

[Referee]

Now CNN is debunking Diego Garcia

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[Elainie]

They are now saying they heard more pings.

[panopticon]

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Ocean Shield detects two more signals in search for missing flight (www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/mh370-more-signals-detected/5378012)

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An Australian search vessel has picked up two more signals from what could be the black box from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The man in charge of the search, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said the Ocean Shield picked up the traces on Tuesday afternoon and late on Tuesday night Perth time.

He said he now believed the search was closing in on the area of MH370's "final resting place".

Air Chief Marshal Houston said the Ocean Shield would be looking to pick up more transmissions which would help to better pinpoint where the signal was coming from.

He said once the search area had been narrowed down, searchers could then find something in a "matter of days".

"Hopefully with lots of transmissions we'll have a tight, small area and hopefully in a matter of days we will be able to find something on the bottom that might confirm that this is the last resting place of MH370," he said.

Both signals picked up yesterday lasted just over five minutes.

Retired Air Chief Marshall Angus Houston says the signals have helped crews further define the search area, and he believes they are now closing in on the plane.

He says he is confident the search is in the right area.

" So I think we're looking in the right area, but I'm not prepared to confirm anything until such time as somebody lays eyes on the wreckage," he said.

The signals are becoming weaker and Air Chief Marshall Houston says that is most likely because the batteries are beginning to run out.

More to come.

Source (www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/mh370-more-signals-detected/5378012)

[araucaria]

Now CNN is debunking Diego Garcia

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As the pundit says, but for those magic pings in the middle of nowhere, it's the grassy knoll all over again - the grassy atoll, you got it!

[Creative Lorraine]

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[SilentFeathers]

Now CNN is debunking Diego Garcia

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Once again "they" are using their tools (MSM) to divert (Brainwash) attention away from Diego Garcia; using the phrase "physically impossible" and saying any one who in the slightest way thinks this scenario could be "possible" are "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" (I'm paraphrasing to a slight degree)

Personally I think this is one of the most important reports from CNN yet; in several ways-for several reasons. I also don't think they can keep this plane "disappeared" for much longer.....the "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" are causing certain forces to go in to damage control so to speak. They are even resorting to saying it's "physically impossible" for this plane to land at Diego Garcia when any one with half a brain knows its not "physically impossible". Highly unlikely, but not "physically impossible".

Also, these under ground base/city photo's popping up all over on the internet are probably digital layers and a planted scheme to make people look even more like ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs IMO. CNN will probably report on these underground city photos next soon to prove their point. THEY do not want Diego Garcia to be a focus point, they proven this time and time again, starting with the Maldives sighting weeks back/INMARSAT/etc.

Diverting attention away from Diego Garcia may or may not have something to do with MH370, but, they are sure working over-time concerning diverting public attention and MH370 away from this location.

[Cidersomerset]

I am not quite sure where Dahboo is going with this, the two interviews
posted earlier she clearly says she thinks the plane has been taken
and there is more to it than meets the eye. She does not a feel like
a crisis actor, her CV means she knows a lot more behind the scenes
than she can say publically. So although its good to be wary I think
Dahboo may be a little premature with his analysis. Unless anything
new has appeared regarding Sarah Bajc.

[Bill Ryan]

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Of minor interest, but interesting nonetheless: the cost of the search operation.

http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/04/08/tsr-dnt-johns-cost-mh370-search.cnn.html

Costs are currently running at a rate of $21 million per month (mostly from various countries' military training budgets). Previous extensive search-and-recovery operations have topped out at as much as $50 million, but this might well end up dwarfing that.

[Flash]

I am not quite sure where Dahboo is going with this, the two interviews
posted earlier she clearly says she thinks the plane has been taken
and there is more to it than meets the eye. She is does not a feel like
a crisis actor, her CV means she knows a lot more behind the scenes
than she can say publically. So although its good to be wary I think
Dahboo may be a little premature with his analysis. Unless anything
new has appeared.

I agree, to me she is the only credible witness with enough knowledge and enough friends who knows, to be able to tell us that this plane was taken and it is not an accident ending in the Indian Ocean.

[Cidersomerset]

People of a certain age in the UK will recognise the sarcasm....LOL

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It looks like they are homing in on something, maybe planted ?


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9 April 2014 Last updated at 14:01

Missing Malaysia plane: Search 'regains recorder signal'PreviousLatest

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Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston: "I believe we're searching in the right area"


Teams searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane have reacquired signals
that could be consistent with "black box" flight recorders. An Australian vessel
heard the signals again on Tuesday afternoon and evening, the search chief said.
Signals heard earlier had also been further analysed by experts who concluded they
were from "specific electronic equipment", he said.

Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March, carrying 239 people.

It was travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it lost contact with air traffic
controllers. Malaysian officials say that based on satellite data, they believe it
ended its flight in the southern Indian Ocean, thousands of kilometres from its
intended flight path.

"I believe we are searching in the right area," said Air Chief Marshal Angus
Houston, who heads the joint agency co-ordinating the search.

"But we need to visually identify aircraft wreckage before we can confirm with
certainty that this is the final resting place of MH370."

'Clear signal'

The Australian vessel, Ocean Shield, has been towing a US Navy pinger locator to
listen for signals from the plane's flight recorders in waters west of the Australian
city of Perth.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74126000/gif/_74126013_malaysian_airliner_search_624_09.04.14.gif

Read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26950387

[Flash]

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Of minor interest, but interesting nonetheless: the cost of the search operation.

http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/04/08/tsr-dnt-johns-cost-mh370-search.cnn.html

Costs are currently running at a rate of $21 million per month (mostly from various countries' military training budgets). Previous extensive search-and-recovery operations have topped out at as much as $50 million, but this might well end up dwarfing that.

Bill you also have a report on Russia and Crimea afterwards accusing Russia of wanting to go further into Ukraine and having taken some building in Crimea by force and all the sanctions that could go on, bla bla bla.

[Bill Ryan]

Now CNN is debunking Diego Garcia

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Once again "they" are using their tools (MSM) to divert (Brainwash) attention away from Diego Garcia; using the phrase "physically impossible" and saying any one who in the slightest way thinks this scenario could be "possible" are "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" (I'm paraphrasing to a slight degree)

Personally I think this is one of the most important reports from CNN yet; in several ways-for several reasons. I also don't think they can keep this plane "disappeared" for much longer.....the "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" are causing certain forces to go in to damage control so to speak. They are even resorting to saying it's "physically impossible" for this plane to land at Diego Garcia when any one with half a brain knows its not "physically impossible". Highly unlikely, but not "physically impossible".

Also, these under ground base/city photo's popping up all over on the internet are probably digital layers and a planted scheme to make people look even more like ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs IMO. CNN will probably report on these underground city photos next soon to prove their point. THEY do not want Diego Garcia to be a focus point, they proven this time and time again, starting with the Maldives sighting weeks back/INMARSAT/etc.

Diverting attention away from Diego Garcia may or may not have something to do with MH370, but, they are sure working over-time concerning diverting public attention and MH370 away from this location.



That CNN video report was such a sickening, sleazy, disgusting piece of 'journalism' that I couldn't even bear to finish watching it.

Really. Either there's something very, very wrong in many mainstream news organizations (there is), or they are under orders to debunk dangerous information with nasty smears (they are). A dreadful, hard-to-watch micro case study on where we are right now (or have been up till now)... on this planet.

:focus:

[Operator]

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They are even resorting to saying it's "physically impossible" for this plane to land at Diego Garcia when any one with half a brain knows its not "physically impossible".
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I checked that weeks ago ... according to the original 777-200 specs the runway is long enough.
But they land B-52's there too (they probably do not need their extra braking chute)

http://webspace.webring.com/people/dt/tomcatter_lu/aircraft/bombersfs/b52a7.jpg


Following the fall of the Shah of Iran and the Iran Hostage Crisis in 1979–1980, the West became concerned with ensuring the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz, and the United States received permission for a $400 million expansion of the military facilities on Diego Garcia consisting of two parallel 12,000-foot-long (3,700 m) runways, expansive parking aprons for heavy bombers, 20 new anchorages in the lagoon, a deep water pier, port facilities for the largest naval vessels in the American or British fleet, aircraft hangars, maintenance buildings and an air terminal, a 1,340,000 barrels (213,000 m3) fuel storage area, and billeting and messing facilities for thousands of sailors and support personnel.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

I think that an 11000 foot runway is already sufficient for a B52 ...

Besides:


The island was one of 33 emergency landing sites worldwide for the NASA Space Shuttle
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

It shouldn't be that difficult for CNN to do their homework even from behind a computer.

[Referee]

Yoichi Shimatsu w/ Jeff Rense Worth your time

Israeli Intelligence unit behind Hijacking

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[Operator]

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That CNN video report was such a sickening, sleazy, disgusting piece of 'journalism' that I couldn't even bear to finish watching it.

Really. Either there's something very, very wrong in many mainstream news organizations (there is), or they are under orders to debunk dangerous information with nasty smears (they are). A dreadful, hard-to-watch micro case study on where we are right now (or have been up till now)... on this planet.

:focus:
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Bill, your 'Back to TOPIC' sign prompts me to make this statement once again ...

Although I myself also contribute getting some of the technical details right it is exactly what they are doing on purpose to
keep us busy with. Flush out some garbage so that we have something to play with and to debate.

I've stated this also many times about 9/11 ... it doesn't matter what exactly happened and we should all stop fighting and
debating about who is right etc. The only important thing actually is that the official story stinks and is not feasible at all.
We should immediately point our fingers to officials selling us this garbage for real and hold them responsible. All other
details distract us. So perhaps your comment was more ON TOPIC than all other posts. ;)

[spiritguide]

Diago Garcia is not involved with the missing aircraft except to support the search efforts. The Cocos/Keeling islands are an Australian protectorate and have an Australian Governor overseeing the islands. The Cocos islands was used as a NASA secondary recovery backup for Mercury space capsules if needed during the 60-70's. Copra is the main product of the islands. Diago Garcia is someone's silly diversion to reality. IMHO

Peace!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

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They are even resorting to saying it's "physically impossible" for this plane to land at Diego Garcia when any one with half a brain knows its not "physically impossible".
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I checked that weeks ago ... according to the original 777-200 specs the runway is long enough.
But they land B-52's there too (they probably do not need their extra braking chute)

http://webspace.webring.com/people/dt/tomcatter_lu/aircraft/bombersfs/b52a7.jpg


Following the fall of the Shah of Iran and the Iran Hostage Crisis in 1979–1980, the West became concerned with ensuring the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz, and the United States received permission for a $400 million expansion of the military facilities on Diego Garcia consisting of two parallel 12,000-foot-long (3,700 m) runways, expansive parking aprons for heavy bombers, 20 new anchorages in the lagoon, a deep water pier, port facilities for the largest naval vessels in the American or British fleet, aircraft hangars, maintenance buildings and an air terminal, a 1,340,000 barrels (213,000 m3) fuel storage area, and billeting and messing facilities for thousands of sailors and support personnel.Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

I think that an 11000 foot runway is already sufficient for a B52 ...

Besides:


The island was one of 33 emergency landing sites worldwide for the NASA Space ShuttleSource: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

It shouldn't be that difficult for CNN to do their homework even from behind a computer.

It safe to assume that runways at Dulles International Airport are more than adequate to handle the largest of commercial aircraft.

The longest of the 4 available runways at Dulles International Airport is 11,500 feet long. That is shorter than the 12,000 foot long runways at Diego Garcia. There is more than enough runway for a Boeing 777 at Diego Garcia, especially true if the aircraft is low on fuel.

1L/19R 9,400'
1C/19C 11,500'
1R/19L 11,500'
12/30 10,500'

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Dulles_International_Airport

According to this Boeing link (http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/startup/pdf/777_perf.pdf), a 777/200 needs only 5,100' to land (landing weight and wind not specified).

Obviously CNN is either stupid or highly manipulated. And the people who work there are not stupid.

[Cidersomerset]

Just saw this a couple days old and has been mentioned earlier...



http://beforeitsnews.com/img/b4in/logo.png

MH370 Mystery Deepens. Pentagon Blocks All Leave To Diego Garcia.

Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:44

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5973/images/No%20Leave.JPG


Diego Garcia is well known for its excellent offshore deepsea fishing. That’s why people
would take leave there.

This morning, early on CNN, they had Richard Quest on.

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/5973/images/Richard%20Quest.jpg

Richard Quest mentioned Diego Garcia, and said “the only thing I can say, is they haven’t
proven the plane is NOT there”. I thought that was interesting.

Why have they never aired any of the interview he did with the missing pilots?

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2014/04/mh370-mystery-deepens-pentagon-blocks-all-leave-to-diego-garcia-2461528.html

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Suspicious! Pentagon Blocks ALL Leave to Diego Garcia! -


See more at: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1006858/pg1&mem=#sthash.BLvLDNlw.dpuf

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http://earthlinggb.wordpress.com/2014/03/29/diego-garcia-america-and-britain-did-it-again/

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Lockheed C5B Galaxy Launch From Diego Garcia

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Published on 30 Jun 2012

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Landing at Diego Garcia 28th May 2011

[SilentFeathers]

Now CNN is debunking Diego Garcia

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Once again "they" are using their tools (MSM) to divert (Brainwash) attention away from Diego Garcia; using the phrase "physically impossible" and saying any one who in the slightest way thinks this scenario could be "possible" are "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" (I'm paraphrasing to a slight degree)

Personally I think this is one of the most important reports from CNN yet; in several ways-for several reasons. I also don't think they can keep this plane "disappeared" for much longer.....the "ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs" are causing certain forces to go in to damage control so to speak. They are even resorting to saying it's "physically impossible" for this plane to land at Diego Garcia when any one with half a brain knows its not "physically impossible". Highly unlikely, but not "physically impossible".

Also, these under ground base/city photo's popping up all over on the internet are probably digital layers and a planted scheme to make people look even more like ridiculous conspiracy theory nut jobs IMO. CNN will probably report on these underground city photos next soon to prove their point. THEY do not want Diego Garcia to be a focus point, they proven this time and time again, starting with the Maldives sighting weeks back/INMARSAT/etc.

Diverting attention away from Diego Garcia may or may not have something to do with MH370, but, they are sure working over-time concerning diverting public attention and MH370 away from this location.



That CNN video report was such a sickening, sleazy, disgusting piece of 'journalism' that I couldn't even bear to finish watching it.

Really. Either there's something very, very wrong in many mainstream news organizations (there is), or they are under orders to debunk dangerous information with nasty smears (they are). A dreadful, hard-to-watch micro case study on where we are right now (or have been up till now)... on this planet.

:focus:

I totally agree, this report insulted my intelligence (and I'm usually short a sandwich or two at every picnic) :)

Also, I do not think you went off topic as the way you describe this report IMO is what actually makes it such an important part of this journey of discovery....it's an obvious "planted" report. It's almost like a Master of Illusion, a Magician, protecting the secrecy of one of their best tricks....when a member of the audience starts blurting out how the trick was done, the first thing the Magician usually does is to ridicule the heckler. (or divert attention away from the heckler). Sarah Bajc is likely another heckler in the crowd.

Personally I really do think this was a "Master of Illusion Magic Trick" performed on a global scale; The plane is probably hidden right in front of our face, and we are all looking at the great smoking mirror theorizing how the great Magician pulled it off......

Also:

I believe the Great Magician, the Master of Illusion (and deception), is about to give us his version of how the trick was done......as I mentioned earlier, the Magician is probably going to pull a scratch free black box out of the ocean with a suicide note duct-taped to it from the pilot.....because if the Great Magician actually did tell you how the trick truly was done, well, then he'd likely have to kill ya!

[Atlas]

Does anyone know why a "sister", "copy", "clone" (not sure of the right word to use), a 777 with Malaysian markings, has been sitting in Tel Aviv since November of 2013?
There is no clone of MH370, the so-called 'double' is a totally different plane with different serial numbers.

I need to clarify this point. MH370 was not flown to Israel. However, there is a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 in Israel. I dismissed the theory a bit quickly because there is no way a Malaysian aircraft could possibly land in Israel. But the fact is that Christopher Bollyn found a photo that can prove it:

http://img2.timg.co.il/forums/1_172737942.jpg


By using the twin aircraft they have in storage, the terror masterminds may have a sinister plan for the missing plane to seemingly reappear in a false-flag atrocity. Public awareness of the twin plane in Tel Aviv, therefore, could prevent the evil plot from going ahead.
More on his website: http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11-using-the-missing-777/

MH370 and the Boeing 777 in Israel are not the same planes but they look 'identical'. As to why is there a Malaysian Boeing 777 stored in Israel ? I don't know but it does not necessarily imply a terror plot, some said it might just be usual business.

So that your question is still fully valid Ron.

[Cidersomerset]

This tells you the importance of the Island and the conspiracy carried out to remove
the population, with threats their pets were gassed and it was made clear if they
did not go they would suffer a similar fate. A sad tale of two countries not wanting
to take responsibility of 2000 expendable souls who were just in the way. They
are UK citizens, we have taken in millions of refugees and others into the UK since
1971 and the US could have easily taken them in. This was a conspiracy to pretend
nothing happened and not pay proper compensation.

In 2000 the population won a court case at the High court in London ruling
that they had been unlawfully removed from their land. The victory was short
lived and the foreign office stepped in with more bureaucratic crap to stop
them returning to there homes, even for a visit in fear of upsetting the US.

Blair then brought in a little known act using the Queen to decree the islanders
were never allowed home. What this tells us is ( what we all knew) governments
lie, bureaucrats lie, military lie or 'spin' or diplomacy as they would say.....

John Pilger - Stealing A Nation [2004]

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Published on 24 Feb 2013


'Stealing A Nation' (2004) is an extraordinary film about the plight of the Chagos
Islands, whose indigenous population was secretly and brutally expelled by British
Governments in the late 1960s and early 1970s to make way for an American
military base. The tragedy, which falls within the remit of the International Criminal
Court as "a crime against humanity", is told by Islanders who were dumped in the
slums of Mauritius and by British officials who left behind a damning trail of Foreign
Office documents.

Before the Americans came, more than 2,000 people lived on the islands in the
Indian Ocean, many with roots back to the late 18th century. There were thriving
villages, a school, a hospital, a church, a railway and an undisturbed way of life.
The islands were, and still are, a British crown colony. In the 1960s, the
government of Harold Wilson struck a secret deal with the United States to hand
over the main island of Diego Garcia. The Americans demanded that the
surrounding islands be "swept" and "sanitized". Unknown to Parliament and to the
US Congress and in breach of the United Nations Charter, the British Government
plotted with Washington to expel the entire population.


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No Happy Ending.....judges in Strasbourg rejected their case.....The Bureaucrats
of Europe agree with their bureaucratic brothers.......


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Terri Judd Author Biography
Friday 21 December 2012


Case dismissed: islanders 'waived' claim to Chagos


A group of islanders “callously and shamefully” evicted from their homeland by
Britain received a bitter blow yesterday in their marathon legal battle for the right
to return when judges in Strasbourg rejected their case.

The Chagos Islanders, 1,500 of whom were thrown off their archipelago in the
1960s and 1970s when Britain handed Diego Garcia over to the US to use as a
military base, had fought their way to the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).
But the judges ruled their case inadmissible, as they had already received
compensation and waived their right to further claims.

In 1982, the Thatcher government paid compensation to the islanders in a full and
final settlement of all their claims. But they insist that many of those who signed
with a simple thumbprint were illiterate and desperate for money, unaware they
were signing away their right of return. The exiled Chagossians lost their case

before the House of Lords in 2008 and appealed to Strasbourg.

But yesterday, the ECHR said the case had been settled definitively in UK
courts: “In accepting and receiving compensation, the applicants had effectively
renounced bringing any further claims to determine whether the expulsion and
exclusion from their homes had been unlawful and breached their rights.”

Last night, the UK Chagos Support Association said: “Now that the European Court
of Human Rights has decided that it does not have jurisdiction, we appeal to the
Coalition Government to stand by their pre-election promises to bring about a just
and fair settlement to one of the great tragedies of the 20th century, perpetrated
by the UK on the defenceless.”



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/case-dismissed-islanders-waived-claim-to-chagos-8428202.html

[Selene]

Now CNN is debunking Diego Garcia

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If I may, what I find significant about the CNN Diego Garcia story is that CNN felt it necessary to do at all: the Diego Garcia theory has never been seriously mooted by the MSM, only by AltMedia.

This can only mean that the AltMedia (that’s us and all the other bloggers and indies) is now gaining so much traction with influential readers that the MainStream Media is now forced to respond.

With our sister site, Project Camelot, garnering 20 million unique visitors and sites like David Icke, Alex Jones and Veterans Today getting even more readers, we’ve quite possibly reached a tipping point of mass influence.

The public is listening carefully, and beginning to think for themselves. Mass awakening to the truth is now only a matter of time.

Nice work, everyone.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....:focus:

Selene

[Limor Wolf]

http://img2.timg.co.il/forums/1_172737942.jpg


By using the twin aircraft they have in storage, the terror masterminds may have a sinister plan for the missing plane to seemingly reappear in a false-flag atrocity. Public awareness of the twin plane in Tel Aviv, therefore, could prevent the evil plot from going ahead.
More on his website: http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israelis-planning-another-9-11-using-the-missing-777/

MH370 and the Boeing 777 in Israel are not the same planes but they look 'identical'. As to why is there a Malaysian Boeing 777 stored in Israel ? I don't know but it does not necessarily imply a terror plot, some said it might just be usual business.

So that your question is still fully valid Ron.

Here is a translation from Hebrew of the conversation that accompanied the image of the Malaysian airplane found on 'Israeli Aviation Enthusiasts Forum' (Kudus to the one who found it) , conversation was made in December 2013.

D: A question of identification - Who can tell me what company is that and perheps what is the registary of this 767 that is hosted in this particular area near the Ben Gurion Airport? (The part that belongs to 'Bedek', the IAI- Israeli Aerospace Industry. Limor), Thanks.

T: And no, I do not mean Alitalia

Z: It's a 777, it finished it's life and arrived to be disassembled.

T: Thanks, ziggy, I knew I can trust on you.

E: Forget the registary

Z: It's an N105GT, it used to be an 9M-MRI

I: Ended it's life? it was only 15..
After some searching online, I found that the plane belonged to a company now known as GA Telesis (http://www.gatelesis.com/) (not that I realized what it is dealing with ..)
This search did not help me to understand why it is being disassembled. So I kept searching and found that the company recieved 3 A300 configuration passengers aircraft from Japan Airlines, at that period they were converted to cargo planes and were sold to DHL.
So my conclusion from this search is that this 777 of Malaysia Airlines did not come to Israel for disposal, it came to be converted into cargo. (This is my opinion, it is not necessarily correct so do not relay on it)

D: There is logic in what you say, I will explore the issue in more depth later and will report the results

I: I will wait for the results..

T: With high probability - Out of 18 A300 aircraft of EAT Leipzig (A cargo company that operates the aircrafts for DHL German mail), about 16 were owned by GA Telesis for several months. They were all passenger planes before, and then converted into cargo planes.
So obviously this company is specializes in the conversion of passenger aircraft to cargo (their website says so as well), and the question is what role IAI plays with regards to the 777 in this picture?

I: 'Bedek' is a known IAI unit that deals with the conversion of passengers aircrafts to cargo.

T: Yes, sure but the question is why GA Telesis do not do it themselves, but that's really not that interesting to me ...

Z: It is possible that in 15 years the plane made a lot of flights and for long distances

Z: A conversion to a cargo plane of a 777 is not done in IAI. They usually do only the 767

I: But they still do

C: I do not think that Boeing approved retraining program to 777, i.e there is currently no engeneering program for conversion of the Boeaing 777 - either with IAI or with other conversion companies.

N: First, I would like to say that you took a photography in prohibited area. Second - the above certainly does not look as intended for dissolution.

Z: My friend who is an instructor in IAI said that this plane is meant for dissolution, but there may be a change and another company decided to buy it, I don't know.

The conversation then moved to the the prohibition on taking photos of these areas.
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I do feel that the constant preoccupation with the vanishing plane may be causing us to ignor some very important things that are happening nowdays with and within our society, it may all very well serve the globalist agenda.
As been said, we are made to look to the left when the real things are happening to the right.

Many Blessings ~

Limor

[Operator]

Hmm, could there be a same kind of changeover plan like between the Titanic and Olympic?
Why was a fairly new plane planned to be taken apart? Was it damaged?

[Rocky_Shorz]

[QUOTE=Rocky_Shorz;819011]he wasn't landing at male, he was attempting to drop into kadhdhoo airport with a wounded plane...

onboard fire, communications out, and he had one small landing strip right in front of him when the natives heard the low flying plane...

http://laamudiveandsurf.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/airport.jpg

that landing strip is the Island below the green dot...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/maldives-fire-bottle.jpg

the bottom black line on the flight path is the island

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-mh370-maldives.png


to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, suddenly an official story appeared...

[QUOTE]
The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
March 29, 2014
tags: flight 173 mH 370 maldives 615 am 8 mar 2014 INMARSAT satellite data jacksons intl airport flight 55093 N13979 Google Maps, flight MH370 pings maldives indian ocean hong kong gulf of guinea march 2014 flight 173, maldives mar 8 2014 flight 173 and flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport no Radar - pings INMARSAT SATELLITE with ACAS, N13979 Google Maps (1), no Radar flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport eyewitness 8 mar 2014 615 am lands 620 am defense military technology Google Maps (2), The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar - National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport

link (http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.wordpress.co m/2014/03/29/the-maldives-where-flight-mh370-was-seen-8-mar-2014-615-am-not-picked-up-by-radar-national-defense-force-or-kadhdhoo-airport/)

and yes you read that right...

seen 6:15

Lands 6:20...

http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.files.wordpr ess.com/2014/03/flight-mh370-pings-maldives-indian-ocean-hong-kong-gulf-of-guinea-march-2014-flight-173-n13979-google-maps-1.png?w=600&h=289

this was the first time I heard that the flight pinged 10 days later, but wait, it was in the air over the US on the 22nd? Did it fly the cargo back?

remember the headline "March 21, 2014 Malaysia Airlines “Suspicious Cargo” Destroyed In Massive New Mexico Explosion"

http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.files.wordpr ess.com/2014/03/flgiht-n13979-pings-mh370-involved-in-crash-mar-22-2014-jimmy-hill-airport-cafe-colorado-usa-google-maps.png?w=900&h=435

I've never heard of these other pings, does anyone know anywhere to confirm the info?

could a jet used in cloaking or running ping diversion have been flown back to Colorado without changing it's signal back?

now an image of a large passenger jet parked at this airport, with a broken wing...


From 2 mins into the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUOuQWccbOo

If you look to the left side of the runway, doesn't it look like a plane recently over ran the runway disturbing the ocean bottom? looks like 2 have... or one bounced... :doh:


edited to add: this isn't flight 370, it is an air transport plane of the Maldives, but what it does show, is that flight 370 could have landed, refueled and continued on to Diego GarCIA where the suspicious cargo was inspected for safety before flying it back over Africa to the ping location before refilling and continuing on with the flight to New Mexico... the pings continued, even if flight MH370 ended at Diego...

Airport latitude and longitude are: 0 41' 31" S, 73 9' 21" E
The runway length is 8700 feet (2665 meters)
The aircraft shown in the video, based on wingspan and length, matches a Boeing 767-300ER which, based on load and density altitude, can land/take-off from 8700 feet.
Current Google Earth imagery date is 5 February 2013.

the video mentioned Bing image, but sounds like this plane is parked there almost daily...

[Atlas]

Question by Sarah Bajc at 11:19 AM:

first of all, thank you duncan for your efforts in this. your logic and careful sell assessments for points of error are refreshing in the sea of misinformation we have found ourselves.

my partner philip is on the missing plane. i am not sure if i am the only passenger family member to comment to you, but i can tell you that we share your website link with all families who join our still loose association.

perhaps you have covered this point but i’m just not seeing it in your postings … what about the time after the last received ping and when the plane would have either run out of fuel or made another ping? that could be 5 minutes or 55 minutes. if the person in control of that plane was as clever as i think they were, they could have turned that plane in any direction immediately after that last ping and intentionally ensured it didn’t ping again (by turning off the engines) to disclose a new direction. if you draw a circle around each of your hypothetical plots, what does that open up in terms of ending spots?

there has been much in the press regarding the crowdsourced efforts of tomnod scanning satellite images. it has seemed a waste of time to me as the images offered for public scan are just open water. is there a way to request coordinate sectors (aligned with these new ending circles) from them? from google earth? even better, satellite images from 60 days ago and now for the same areas?

if the above is possible, we could definitely drive a crowdsourced effort to do a compare and contrast to the images from those areas, before and after, assuming we can get the images.

similarly, is there any way for you to know from the data if that last (or even previous) ping was actually emanating from a grounded location (plane landed with engines still on) instead of from the air?

thank you duncan. please do let me know if you have received this comment and have any feedback for me on it. i will share that with the other families.

sarah

Answer by Duncan at 2:44 PM:

Hi Sarah:

Well, this is by far the most difficult received comment for me to respond to, for obvious reasons. My heart goes out to you.

Please be clear that my answers to your specific questions are based only on what I know; what I don’t know; and the application of ‘scientific method’ as best I am able (and I know that many people find ‘scientific method’ to be maddening!)

First: “if the person in control of that plane” – I have seen nothing to indicate that anyone was in control of the aircraft from any time after about an hour into the flight. Everything after that time that I know about appears to be consistent with the autopilot being in control, and no-one on board doing anything. The simplest explanation for that would be some on-board catastrophe that incapacitated everyone. I do not know this to be the case, but at this stage it appears to be the most likely situation.

Whilst my motivation in setting down the preceding paragraph was simply to say what I see from the abstract scientific perspective, having written it I realise that it might provide some solace to you: If indeed that is what happened, then the passengers and crew would not have been conscious throughout some extended flight on which a hijacking had occurred.

Moving on now: “perhaps you have covered this point but i’m just not seeing it in your postings … what about the time after the last received ping and when the plane would have either run out of fuel or made another ping? that could be 5 minutes or 55 minutes” – I came into this (March 22 was when I started thinking about the situation) from the perspective of a space scientist who realised that Inmarsat had made assumptions in producing the March 15th graph (first indication of ping rings) that were invalid, and so I set about pointing this out and putting it right; that is, incorporating the correct orbit/movement of the satellite. I moved on later to thinking about possible aircraft routes, and whether I could constrain them. At all times I have been working from the direction of things in which I might claim some expertise, and thus could be fairly sure that I was doing it correctly (whilst always subject to amending assumptions). In that context, I know almost nothing about the aviation end of things, and it is aviation matters that control how long the aircraft could fly.

Having written all of that, my understanding gained from various correspondents is that the 00:11 UTC ping may have been initiated by a terminal set of automated processes that began with the aircraft running out of fuel (one engine at a time), which affects the electrical power generation and therefore all electronic systems. For example, that 00:11 ping might have been due to one engine losing its fuel supply, with the so-called ‘partial ping’ at 00:19 UTC being prompted by the other engine then running out of fuel. On the other hand, there are other explanations for the pings that have been proposed, connected with the electronics and computer systems failing/re-booting and so on in an extreme situation caused by fuel exhaustion and so electrical power loss. I have received two comments (around here on this website) from people who have information from B777 simulator runs that indicate what happens when such an aircraft runs out of fuel. The above comments I wrote about the pings are in general accord with those simulator runs.

In summary: it seems very likely that the 00:11 UTC ping indicates indirectly the onset of fuel exhaustion in a flight that was not under human control, and that in the following ten minutes the aircraft crashed. I would expect that the crash site is quite close to the 00:11 UTC ping ring as shown in white on my graphics. Since you asked how far from that ring the end point might be, I simply say that people with aviation knowledge and experience have said that as the aircraft actually runs out of fuel and the electronics/avionics systems fail, the behaviour of the aircraft can be quite erratic with a series of stalls and dives, perhaps with rapid turns, and so the crash site might actually be inside of that final ping ring, rather than outside of it as generally presumed.

I repeat what I wrote above: the simplest explanation for what happened to this aircraft is that very early in the flight all on board were incapacitated for some reason, and so it would be safe to assume that at the end of the flight and the impending crash there was no-one in a conscious state.

You asked: “similarly, is there any way for you to know from the data if that last (or even previous) ping was actually emanating from a grounded location (plane landed with engines still on) instead of from the air?” My answer is that although I believe that Inmarsat has made errors in deriving its graph which shows things called Burst Frequency Offsets, the errors involve the sizes of the values (putting things simply) rather than them being entirely wrong. Now, from the BFOs one can derive a Doppler shift, which is a measure of the line-of-sight speed between the satellite and the aircraft. We allow for the satellite’s known speed, and so can then get some evaluation of the aircraft’s speed, although it is quite complicated and not precise. The point is this: even though I think that Inmarsat’s BFO values may have been miscalculated in detail, still one cannot find a fit for a zero aircraft speed at 00:11 UTC. That is, it was still flying at that time.

Regarding satellite imagery: the truth is that is an area that I know quite a bit about, but it would take me many hours or days to describe where and how to access and analyse the available satellite imagery, and that would prohibit me from doing what I have been doing in terms of trying to deduce possible aircraft routes. (An example of what can be done quickly by those who know what to do is the use of data from NASA’s Terra and Aqua satellites by Dr Kuang in China, who quickly came up with a suggested crash location in the Beshtash Valley.) Might I, through this message, appeal to others out there to investigate what can and should be done in this regard? There are many websites to work through, such as http://science.nasa.gov/missions/terra/ ; http://modis.gsfc.nasa.gov/ ; http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/ Those are just NASA websites, through which satellite imagery is freely available (thankyou, American taxpayer!) There are many other space agencies that have satellite imagery available (ESA, JAXA and so on), plus many commercial companies (DigitalGlobe and so on: http://www.digitalglobe.com/ ). Just to note: Google/Google Earth is a user of satellite imagery rather than a supplier, as such.

To close this reply to you, my most earnest wish is that all of us are wrong, and in fact the aircraft was hijacked and safely landed somewhere such as northern Tibet or southern Qinjiang. However, my belief is that what I described above is broadly what happened: there was some calamity such as a fire on board soon after 17:21 UTC, the pilots managed to get the aircraft onto automatic pilot but could do no more, everyone was quickly incapacitated by that catastrophe and were either dead or unconscious thereafter, and eventually the aircraft crashed when it ran out of fuel.

If I can answer any more questions, please do ask. If you would prefer private answers, please either email me direct or else post a comment here saying ‘Not for posting’ and I will then answer by email and not post either your enquiry or my answer.

My best wishes to you,

Duncan

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[Atlas]

Dr Kuang in China [...] came up with a suggested crash location in the Beshtash Valley. [...] This guy (Dr Kuang) is an expert in satellite remote sensing and GIS. He was applying professional skills. Hats off to him, even if his suggestion is wrong. He attacked the problem properly using his particular expertise and experience.

The posts, by Dr Yaoqiu Kuang [here (http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-612468-777530.html), and here (http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-612468-777816.html), and here (http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-612468-778365.html)] are apparently in Han Chinese (not one of my languages), but Google translates.

From the above links (Google translation):

2014-3-20:

Through the analysis of satellite images corridor on the northern section of the arc represents, I found that 2014 March 8 am 6 : 00UTC (am local time 11 : 00 ; YORK pm 2 : 00 ), crossing the United States TERRA satellite images, about south of the state capital in northwestern Kyrgyzstan Talas 30 kilometers of the valley, he is a huge smoke plume, broke through the white clouds, forming a width of 2,000 meters, up to 30 km smoke streamers

http://image.sciencenet.cn/home/201403/19/233930bbf7y0tbb7fzthft.jpg
2014 March 8 am 6 : 00UTC northwestern Kyrgyzstan Talas visible band image near the state capital

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7-2-1 band image

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3-6-7 band image

The source of the smoke streamers have a dense forest, and forest fires may be related. But here is located in an altitude of 2400-3600 meters high mountain regions, this time it is ice and snow, and deserted, most likely due to forest fires caused by the aircraft crashed.

The same day, 7 : 45 UTC (noon local time 12 : 45 ; YORK pm 3 : 45 ), the U.S. transit AQUA satellite images did not see the smoke streamers, indicating that the forest fire duration is not long, has completely extinguished. Just at the source of the smoke streamers on the northern section of the arc represented by the aforementioned corridor.

Further calculations MH370 disappear from the Malaysian military radar time (GMT 2 : 15 ) and position (latitude 5 ° 16 ' , longitude 99 ° 9 ' ), and the distance to that point ( 4880 km), and the flight to the point the time required (per hour 850 kilometers per about 5 hours 45 minutes), with the MH370 finally signaled the time is quite consistent.

Therefore, I speculate MH370 flight probably in March 8 am 2 when 15 to get rid of the Malaysian military radar to track to the northwest of the flight of about 4,900 km, out of fuel, on March 8 Day 8 : 11 points crash Talas south of the state capital of the Kyrgyz Republic of 30 kilometers in the valley.

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northwest near the state capital of Kyrgyzstan Talas image map

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MH370 suspected crash at Beshtash valley landscape topography'

In-depth analysis of thermal infrared remote sensing data further corroborated south of the state capital northwestern Kyrgyzstan Talas 30 kilometers Beshtash a valley valley is likely MH370 airliner crash land speculation.

Therefore, the proposed rescue forces attention south of the Kyrgyz Republic Talas northwest of the state capital 30 kilometers of the valley (specific coordinates: latitude 42 ° 15'37 " , longitude 72 ° 23'48 " ), where March 8 reads There are signs of suspected early morning crash.

[...] our government should be sent as soon as possible to investigate the search and rescue. Of course, time has passed nearly 10 days, the crashed aircraft personnel little hope for survivors, but timely and relevant evidence to find the black box of crashed unravel mysteries, to understand the truth, to prevent similar incidents from happening again, is of great significance.

[sigma6]

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Of minor interest, but interesting nonetheless: the cost of the search operation.
http://cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/04/08/tsr-dnt-johns-cost-mh370-search.cnn.html
Costs are currently running at a rate of $21 million per month (mostly from various countries' military training budgets). Previous extensive search-and-recovery operations have topped out at as much as $50 million, but this might well end up dwarfing that.

There's a strategic motive right there... fly a plane off... how much is one of those worth, then it puts a huge drain on your enemies insurance policies, then another 21,000,000 a month, on top of the Rothchilds eliminating 4 patent holders. The price on that is probably in the mega billions over the next 10, 20 years... it all adds up perfectly... who can deny the financial motive?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

This is gang warfare, pure and simple... (lol, excuse the irony...)
There is just way, way, way too many "coincidences" on this one, and way, way too much money involved, this is a step up from the crashing of the Korean flight, the pattern keeps becoming clearer...

ROTHSHILD INHERITS PATENT AFTER 4 CO-OWNERS "DISAPPEAR" ON MH 370 FLIGHT
http://engineeringevil.com/2014/03/29/rothschild-inherits-patent-after-4-co-owners-disappear-on-mh-370-flight/

Hmmm? • Tags: Carlyle Group, Freescale Semiconductor, Integrated circuit, Jacob Rothschild 4th Baron Rothschild, Kuala-Lumpur, Malaysia Airlines, Patent, Saudi Binladin Group
EEV: Currently single source info., which needs additional confirmation. ( deserves to be noted, even though odd )

Friday, 28 March 2014

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00272/06Jacob_Rothschild_272965k.jpg


The disappearance of four members of a patent semiconductor traveling on Malaysia Airlines MH370 makes the famous billionaire Jacob Rothschild the sole owner of a very important patent.

The mystery surrounding the Malaysian Airlines MH-370 is growing as each day passes with more mysterious silence shadowing the disappearance of the airline. More and more theories are beginning to emerge. We have heard of black holes swallowing the airliner (likely the least intelligent thing ever said on TV), deranged pilots taking it over… But no media outlet has mentioned anything about who was on that plane. Absolutely nothing! Well, for starters, the people who owned the patent to Freescale Semiconductor’s ARM microcontroller ‘KL-03′ which is a new improvised version of an older microcontroller KL-02 were on the MH-370 flight. This report has caught legs across dozens of European based news outlets. Did Rothschild exploited the airlines to gain full Patent Rights of an incredible KL-03 micro-chip? According to the reports, Jacob Rothschild is dubbed as the “evil master plotter”.

A US technology company which had 20 senior staff on board Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems in the days before the Boeing 777 went missing.

Freescale Semiconductor has been developing microprocessors, sensors and other technology for the past 50 years. The technology it creates is commonly referred to as embedded processors, which according to the firm are “stand-alone semiconductors that perform dedicated computing functions in electronic systems”.


Why were so many Freescale employees traveling together? What were their jobs. Were they on a mission and if so what was this mission? Can these employees be the cause of the disappearance of this plane? Could the plane have been then hijacked and these people kidnapped? Did these employees hold valuable information, did they have any valuable cargo with them? Did they know company and technological secrets? With all the might of technology why cant this plane be located? Where is this plane where are these people?”

The 20 Freescale employees, among 239 people on flight MH370, were mostly engineers and other experts working to make the company’s chip facilities in Tianjin, China, and Kuala Lumpur more efficient, said Mitch Haws, vice president, global communications and investor relations.

“These were people with a lot of experience and technical background and they were very important people,” Haws said. “It’s definitely a loss for the company.”


In Malaysia, Freescale’s modern operations facility that manufactures and tests integrated circuits (IC) is based in Petaling Jaya.

Based on information obtained from Freescale’s website, the facility began operations in 1972 covering an eight hectare site and is specifically designed for the manufacturing and testing of microprocessors, digital signal processors and integrated radio frequency circuits.

It also owns Freescale RF which is involved in creating solutions for Aerospace and Defence listed below.

1. Battlefield communication
2. Avionics
3. HF Radar – Band L- and S-
4. Missile Guidance
5. Electronic Warfare
6. Identification, friend or foe (IFF)

Freescale’s shareholders include the Carlyle Group of private equity investors whose past advisers have included ex-US president George Bush Sr and former British Prime Minister John Major.
Carlyle’s previous heavyweight clients include the Saudi Binladin Group, the construction firm owned by the family of Osama bin Laden.

The fact that Freescale had so many highly qualified staff on board the Boeing 777 had already prompted wild conspiracy theories about what might have happened.

The company says they were flying to China to improve its consumer products operations, but Freescale’s fresh links to electronic warfare technology is likely to trigger more speculation and deepen the mystery.

Experts have been baffled how a large passenger jet seems to have flown undetected and possibly beaten military radar systems for up to six hours even though today’s satellites can take a crystal clear picture of someone crossing a street. // Read Entire Report Here .

[ktlight]

Leuren Moret with Alfred Webre: US shot down MH370 over Singapore airspace


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuWyLgIv1kg

"Published on Apr 9, 2014
READ ARTICLE WITH DOCUMENTS & PHOTOS
Part 1 - Leuren Moret: Confirmed -- MH370 shot down by US over Singapore airspace as UK Inmarsat leads 30 day false flag psyops for 5 NWO objectives [READ FULL ARTICLE]
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peaceins... (http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peaceinspace/2014/04/part-1-leuren-moret-confirmed-mh370-shot-down-by-us-over-singapore-airspace-as-uk-inmarsat-leads-30-day-false-flag-psy.html)"

[Roisin]

As for those people out there who are giving us various theories that Flight 370 crashed and/or exploded somewhere, they are conveniently leaving out the following information of well documented credible data by a renowned and respected non-gov't affiliated and independent agency composed of the world's most top scientists that their "Sensitive nuclear monitoring equipment has found no evidence that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 exploded or crashed...." (on land or water).

Those Flight 370 Crash/Explosion Theorists are leaving out that important information because to include it, would negate their theory... of course.:nerd:


U.N. Says It Detected No Crash or Explosion


Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/u-n-says-it-detected-no-crash-or-explosion-n55256


"Sensitive nuclear monitoring equipment has found no evidence that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 exploded or crashed, the U.N. said Monday.

While seismic systems used by the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization are intended to detect nuclear explosions, they're also capable of picking up "the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water," Stephane Dujarric, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's spokesman, told reporters in New York.

But tests over the weekend had confirmed that "neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Dujarric said Monday.

The organization's executive secretary ordered that all its sensors be used to try to find the plane, and he encouraged scientists from around the world to "carefully study the available data," Dujarric said."






Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370: UN N-watchdog says no explosion or crash detected

Tags: Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization, CTBTO, Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, Malaysian Airlines Flight, MH370



United Nations, Mar 18: A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

“Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight… the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Dujarric said plane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS). While the verification system has been put in place to detect nuclear explosions, it is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water.

CTBTO Executive Secretary Lassina Zerbo had last week said that he would put the sensors of the organization at work to see if a possible explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could be detected.

Zerbo has also encouraged all scientists from UN member states to carefully study the available data. He had said the CTBTO uses “infrasound” – or infrasonic sensors – to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions.

Dujarric said the CTBTO has a network, as part of their Test-Ban-Treaty, of extremely sensitive sensors throughout the world that detect nuclear explosions and earthquakes.

The flight MH370 carrying 239 people has been missing since March 8 and a multi-national search has so far shed little light on where the plane could have landed or crashed.

Zerbo had asked the head of the CTBTO’s International Data Center (IDC) to look at the data to find any clues about the missing plane.

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, “or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected.”

“There’s a possibility, it’s not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect” an explosion, he had said.

The mystery of the missing plane from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing since March 8 continued to baffle aviation and security authorities who have not succeeded in tracking the aircraft despite deploying hi-tech radar and other gadgets.

CTBTO said infrasound is produced by a variety of natural and man-made sources like exploding volcanoes, earthquakes, meteors, storms and auroras in the natural world; nuclear, mining and large chemical explosions, as well as aircraft and rocket launches in the man-made arena.

Infrasound monitoring is one of the four technologies used by the International Monitoring System (IMS) to verify compliance with the nuclear test ban treaty. The IDC routinely detect signals from commercial planes taking-off and landing at airports located in the proximity of IMS infrasound stations. In the past, CTBTO stations have detected some plane accidents, including the crash of a plane at Narita airport in Japan in March 2009.

Modified Date: March 18, 2014 1:31 PM

http://www.india.com/loudspeaker/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-un-n-watchdog-says-no-explosion-or-crash-detected-24478/

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Flight MH370: UN N-watchdog says no explosion or crash detected

The verification system put in place to detect nuclear explosions is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft as well as its impact on the ground or on water



United Nations, Mar 18 (PTI): A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

“Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight… the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Dujarric said plane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS).

While the verification system has been put in place to detect nuclear explosions, it is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water.

CTBTO Executive Secretary Lassina Zerbo had last week said that he would put the sensors of the organization at work to see if a possible explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could be detected.

Zerbo has also encouraged all scientists from UN member states to carefully study the available data. He had said the CTBTO uses “infrasound” – or infrasonic sensors – to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions.

Dujarric said the CTBTO has a network, as part of their Test-Ban-Treaty, of extremely sensitive sensors throughout the world that detect nuclear explosions and earthquakes.

The flight MH370 carrying 239 people has been missing since March 8 and a multi-national search has so far shed little light on where the plane could have landed or crashed.

Zerbo had asked the head of the CTBTO’s International Data Center (IDC) to look at the data to find any clues about the missing plane.

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, “or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected.”

“There’s a possibility, it’s not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect” an explosion, he had said.

The mystery of the missing plane from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing since March 8 continued to baffle aviation and security authorities who have not succeeded in tracking the aircraft despite deploying hi-tech radar and other gadgets.

http://www.tehelka.com/flight-mh370-un-n-watchdog-says-no-explosion-or-crash-detected/

[Cidersomerset]

David posted this today , it has been posted before but worth a watch as its
his view on the bigger picture which he has been monitoring for years. TPTB
have been manipulating the US & Israel in particularly to start WW111 to
bring in a new world order.




Thursday 10th April 2014 at 07:17 By David Icke

1S4_J8MiYWE


Please circulate far and wide.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[araucaria]

Signs that black box data may not turn up after all:
Missing Flight MH370 Black Box Data May Have Been Lost Because Of 'Unrobust' Behaviour



http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/09/missing-flight-mh370-black-box-data-_n_5119133.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

[Roisin]

Thus far, there have been no confirmations that any of those weak and very nebulous pulses are signals from Flight 370's black box.

Signals coming from remote location underscore difficulty of recovering flight wreckage

"While Houston was excited about the latest development, describing it as the "most promising lead" so far, he was equally cautious as there could be many other sounds moving through water – known as acoustic energy – which are greatly affected by temperature, pressure and salinity.

"And that has the effect of attenuating, bending – sometimes through 90 degrees – sound waves. So it is quite possible and very hard to predict – it's quite possible for sound to travel great distances laterally but be very difficult to hear near the surface of the ocean, for instance," Peter Leavy, who heads the military task force conducting the search, told CNN." – April 8, 2014.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/signals-coming-from-remote-location-underscore-difficulty-of-recovering-wre

Also.. the US navy ship they had in those waters to help locate "black box" pings stopped searching and pulled out of the search yesterday morning.

[panopticon]

Also.. the US navy ship they had in those waters to help locate "black box" pings stopped searching and pulled out of the search yesterday morning.

Just curious if anyone knows what US vessels are assisting in the search operation?

-- Pan

Oh, and here's the latest media release from the JACC.

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Update on search for Malaysian flight MH370 (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr016.aspx)

Media Release
10 April 2014—pm

The Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), has confirmed that whilst conducting an acoustic search this afternoon a RAAF AP-3C Orion aircraft has detected a possible signal in the vicinity of the Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield.

“The acoustic data will require further analysis overnight but shows potential of being from a man-made source,” Air Chief Marshal Houston (Ret'd) said.

“I will provide a further update if, and when, further information becomes available.”

Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr016.aspx)

[Operator]

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The Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), has confirmed that whilst conducting an acoustic search this afternoon a RAAF AP-3C Orion aircraft has detected a possible signal in the vicinity of the Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield.
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Orion P3's can drop off several buoys to faster determine an area of interest from a wider
range and direct other vessels toward it. I still makes no sense why they didn't do this
much sooner after the disappearance ...

http://media.defenceindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_P-3C_Orion_Drops_Sonobuoy_lg.jpg

[Hervé]

As for those people out there who are giving us various theories that Flight 370 crashed and/or exploded somewhere, they are conveniently leaving out the following information of well documented credible data by a renowned and respected non-gov't affiliated and independent agency composed of the world's most top scientists that their "Sensitive nuclear monitoring equipment has found no evidence that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 exploded or crashed...." (on land or water).

Those Flight 370 Crash/Explosion Theorists are leaving out that important information because to include it, would negate their theory... of course.:nerd:

[...]


[...]

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, “or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected.”

“There’s a possibility, it’s not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect” an explosion, he had said.

[...]
http://www.india.com/loudspeaker/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-un-n-watchdog-says-no-explosion-or-crash-detected-24478/

[...]
http://www.tehelka.com/flight-mh370-un-n-watchdog-says-no-explosion-or-crash-detected/

The closest infrasound geo/hydro/micro-phones being at a distance of some 2000 Km, the only thing these infrasound recordings exclude is a BIG explosion/crash!


Notice the date and the long list of websites:


The 7 closest certified and operational IMS infrasound stations (green icons) are located over 2000km (I06AU, Cocos Island) from the last known position of the plane. What say you ?
These data do not rule out nor exclude anything else!


Now, back to the topic, the only realistic conclusion that can be drawn from the "seismographic" data analysis is that there was no high altitude free fall crash nor huge explosion fitting in that time window.

That doesn't exclude low altitude crash or belly landing or multiple small explosions, etc...... nor a plane disintegrating in mid-air for whatever reason.

As for any credible witnesses, they should expect a visit from those guys in black:


IyaFEBI_L24

[Roisin]

Amzer Zo,

Please view that article that NBC U.N. article that stated that the UN supports the CTBTO's findings that that plane never crashed or exploded. thanks :)

[Hervé]

... and, so what?

What I posted remains valid as far as instrumentation and recording distances go!

They can rule out only a big explosion or a big crash; nothing else!

[panopticon]

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The Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), has confirmed that whilst conducting an acoustic search this afternoon a RAAF AP-3C Orion aircraft has detected a possible signal in the vicinity of the Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield.
---


Orion P3's can drop off several buoys to faster determine an area of interest from a wider
range and direct other vessels toward it. I still makes no sense why they didn't do this
much sooner after the disappearance ...


Yeah I remembered you mentioning that the other day Operator and it's interesting that they were finally deployed on the 9th (coincidentally receiving a faint signal fairly quickly from a receiver at 1000 foot).

Commodore Leavy was talking about their deployment in the 9th April press conference:


Peter Leavy: The short answer is the utility of submarines has been evaluated and it was—when we first started commencing this search, and it was determined that the Collins class submarine would not be optimised for this search. What we do have today, as Air Chief Marshal Houston just mentioned, is a RAAF—A Royal Australian Air Force P-3 aircraft deploying a series of sonar buoys in the field. That does provide more sensors in the vicinity of Ocean Shield without having a ship there to produce the background noise.

The way that will work is an acoustic processor in the aircraft has been modified, some very good work that was only started after the MH370 aircraft was lost, some very good work by the Australian Defence Force and in particular the Air Force, have modified the acoustic processor to be able to pick up the 37.5 kilohertz frequency and we expect any time now the aircraft, the first aircraft out with Ocean Shield will be coordinating with her to lay a sonar buoy pattern. Sonar buoys essentially a sensor package that's parachuted out of the aircraft, floats on the surface of the ocean and will deploy a hydrophone 1000 feet below the surface of the ocean and a sonar buoy that floats has a radio in it that transmits the data back to the aircraft.

Each P-3 is capable of carrying 84 sonar buoys on each mission and so that will provide a sensor, a range of sensors, a number of sensors at least 1000 feet below the surface. The Towed Pinger Locator is obviously much deeper than that but at least it does provide a range of sensors 1000 feet down which are 1000 feet closer to the possible source of the pinger locator beacon on the ocean floor.

The other point I would make is—and Angus Houston mentioned this—is the silt cover on the bottom as well as potentially hiding the debris. Now that we have an analysis that shows there is silt down there, that's quite an absorbing material so we are at risk of a lot of the sound energy being absorbed by the silt rather than if for instance it was a rock sea bed, a lot of that would be reflected back up to the surface or towards the surface. So the fact that there's silt there has also hindered, to a certain extent, the sound path propagation.
Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/interviews/2014/april/tr008.aspx)

-- Pan

[Roisin]

Amzer Zo... if you think CTBTO is lying about that, then you should

address your opinions on their results to those scientists who work at that agency.

But rest assured, they would require that you at least have a PhD in Physics to even

voice your opinion on their statements wrt that plane.

[panopticon]

... and, so what?

What I posted remains valid as far as instrumentation and recording distances go!

They can rule out only a big explosion or a big crash; nothing else!

For CTBTO's information page on this see here (http://www.ctbto.org/press-centre/highlights/2014/researchers-encouraged-to-probe-ctbto-monitoring-data-for-signs-of-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370/).

There are lots of qualifiers "could", "potentially", "may" etc. Just because its been reported that they found "no evidence" doesn't mean that there wasn't an event beyond the range of their sensors. It just means that they are reporting that their sensors didn't pick up any evidence...

-- Pan

[sigma6]

all this searching by the US military is pointless if they were in on it...

[panopticon]

all this searching by the US military is pointless if they were in on it...

What searching by the US military?

I asked above if anyone knew what US vessels were involved in the search.

Do you know how many US vessels/aircraft are involved because I've not found much data on US involvement?

-- Pan

[Roisin]

... and, so what?

What I posted remains valid as far as instrumentation and recording distances go!

They can rule out only a big explosion or a big crash; nothing else!

For CTBTO's information page on this see here (http://www.ctbto.org/press-centre/highlights/2014/researchers-encouraged-to-probe-ctbto-monitoring-data-for-signs-of-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370/).

There are lots of qualifiers "could", "potentially", "may" etc. Just because its been reported that they found "no evidence" doesn't mean that there wasn't an event beyond the range of their sensors. It just means that they are reporting that their sensors didn't pick up any evidence...

-- Pan

That's not true but you can go ahead and interpret that scientific data to fit whatever opinion you are operating from any way you want but none of what you are saying on this adds up to a hill of beans because none of you here have PhD's in Physics.

That agency clearly stated that that plane did not crash and/or explode. Period

And of course in the case of say... a nuclear bomb going off, you can bet your boots that if it went off in some remote place high up in the Himalaya's somewhere, they would be the first ones to know that too!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

<snip> Orion P3's can drop off several buoys to faster determine an area of interest from a wider
range and direct other vessels toward it. I still makes no sense why they didn't do this
much sooner after the disappearance ...
<snip>

Some possible reasons that sonobuoys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonobuoy) were not deployed earlier:


Insufficient resources. (Not likely)
The public would be more suspicious if sonobuoys were never deployed.
The aircraft has crashed into the sea and the powers-that-be want to keep the location a secret. (Probable if there is something on the aircraft they want to keep secret.)
The powers-that-be have the aircraft and plan to use it again in another false flag operation. (False flag operations have been very popular in the community of psychopathic control freaks.)


Considering military presence in the area, and the capabilities of warships, aircraft and satellites to track potential threats, *especially an aircraft the size of a Boeing 777 flying in an unexpected area*, it is a safe bet that the aircraft location has always been known.


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[Atlas]

Notice the date and the long list of websites:
[...] What say you ?
These data do not rule out nor exclude anything else!

@Amzer Zo, this was my answer to Roisin who was contesting the date of the release of the data to the media, on the 11th of March, 4 days after the plane vanished.

[Hervé]

[...]

@Amzer Zo, this was my answer to Roisin who was contesting the date of the release of the data to the media, on the 11th of March, 4 days after the plane vanished.

I posted it because it contained this relevant piece of info:


The 7 closest certified and operational IMS infrasound stations (green icons) are located over 2000km (I06AU, Cocos Island) from the last known position of the plane.

[panopticon]

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A few incidents involving planes have been registered in the past such as the crash of the FedEx cargo plane at Narita International Airport, Japan, in March 2009 or the crash of two F16 military aircraft at an air show in Belgium, in 2003. In those cases, IMS infrasound stations located within a few tens to a few hundreds of kilometres detected the events.
Source (http://www.ctbto.org/press-centre/highlights/2014/researchers-encouraged-to-probe-ctbto-monitoring-data-for-signs-of-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370/)

The closest station to the present search site is 1000's of kilometres away. If MH370 did crash in the present search area would these sensors have been sensitive enough to definitely have detected it belly flopping at that distance?

-- Pan

[Roisin]

Notice the date and the long list of websites:
[...] What say you ?
These data do not rule out nor exclude anything else!

@Amzer Zo, this was my answer to Roisin who was contesting the date of the release of the data to the media, on the 11th of March, 4 days after the plane vanished.

That is not correct. the Plane disappeared on March 8th and the first public news publication of that article was 3 days later, on March 11th... not four.

Also, you yourself stated before that just because that information did not first become public yesterday or the day before but on March 11th instead where most news agencies didn't publish it until March 18th, that does not make that information any less valid.

[Flash]

Amzer Zo... if you think CTBTO is lying about that, then you should

address your opinions on their results to those scientists who work at that agency.

But rest assured, they would require that you at least have a PhD in Physics to even

voice your opinion on their statements wrt that plane.

He has and in a better field in view of the circumstance of this airplane disappearance than physics, but it is up to him to tell in which field. Sorry Amer Zo for letting them know, but there is a limit to insults, Roisin, I usually love your post, please cool off.

Instead of working one against the other, couldn't we use everyone's expertise and know how, psychic, physical, technical, psychological and others, in every possible field we have here on avalon. That would make things extremely interesting, we have here a multi-disciplinary team that no organisation I am aware of has.

[Roisin]

lol, you've got a point there Flash and thanks for intervening! I'll try to do better next time! :)

PS -- I definitely appreciate all views concerning this incident and whatever information comes out about it. But I'm the first one to admit that I went a little too far in that statement of mine that you quoted and I will be very careful not to send off such missives like that in this forum again. My bad and thanks for calling it to my attention. :)

:tea:

[Roisin]

[QUOTE]
The closest station to the present search site is 1000's of kilometres away. If MH370 did crash in the present search area would these sensors have been sensitive enough to definitely have detected it belly flopping at that distance?

-- Pan

Here's an interesting article that may give us some answers about what happens with a large jumbo jet "belly-flops" into an ocean.


Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Why Can’t They Find Any Floating Debris?

Air France Flight 447, which was lost in the Atlantic Ocean on June 1, 2009, gives us some insight into why it has been so difficult to recover debris from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

In 2009, investigators were unable to find much debris from Flight 447, and many of the pieces that they did find were small. Only 3% (about 1,000 pieces—mostly chunks of insulation and honeycomb construction) of the plane was discovered floating on the surface of the water. The twenty-five foot long composite vertical stabilizer was the biggest floater. (A Boeing 777 like the Malaysian Airlines plane also has composite tail sections.) The biggest piece of fuselage, found on the ocean floor, was only twenty-three feet long.

Debris was also hard in part to find because it spread so quickly. Seventeen days after the crash, the debris and bodies from Flight 447 had drifted 100 miles. On day twenty-five, the debris scatter spanned 200 miles. In addition, depending on water temperature, a body will float for perhaps two to three weeks. Only fifty bodies were recovered back in 2009. At this point, Flight 370 has been missing for more than a month.

Flight 447 completely fragmented on impact. (A belly flop with a vertical sink rate of just 30 mph will severely fragment the plane.) Pieces that float can be torn out as the plane breaks up entering the water.

On the other extreme, a plane going down in the water under pilot control may still break up, which is not good; but the emergency slides double as rafts with radio beacons. In 1996, Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 was hijacked, ran out of fuel, and went down in the Indian Ocean. The hijackers actually fought the pilot for control of the airplane during the water landing. One hundred and twenty-five out of one hundred and seventy-five passengers died. Most likely more would have lived if the pilot had had full control. If Flight 370 had crashed in this manner, we most likely would have found survivors weeks ago or picked up a signal from the raft beacons.

Finding the black boxes may not be the end of the mysterious story of Flight 370. According to one experienced Airbus/Boeing pilot (the coauthor of my next book), black boxes can be shut off with circuit breakers in most aircraft. In many situations, pilots are required to remove power from the cockpit voice recorder by using the circuit breaker after an incident or accident to preserve the data. And most cockpit voice recorders only record the last two hours, raising the possibility that evidence of a struggle in the cockpit earlier in the flight may have been overwritten.

bibefpoGeorge Bibel, a former NASA summer faculty fellow, is the author of Beyond the Black Box: The Forensics of Airplane Crashes, published by Johns Hopkins. He is a professor of mechanical engineering at the School of Engineering and Mines, University of North Dakota. He recently completed the Air Line Pilots Association advanced accident investigation course.

http://jhupressblog.com/2014/04/10/why-cant-they-find-any-floating-debris/

[panopticon]

Yep, they're good points in that article Roisin. Especially about the composite tail section.

So...

Where are the wreckage sightings from the air? What happened to the satellite pictures (we were getting them on a regular basis a week ago)? Why is Houston continually saying that there will be no confirmation without wreckage? Why did it take so long for sonar buoys to be deployed? Why is there not more US involvement?

-- Pan

[Roisin]

Great questions Pan hence why this case, though extremely tragic, is nevertheless fascinating because I believe that what we are seeing here is the anatomy of a major conspiracy. That we are tracking updates on it on a daily basis and are seeing so many inconsistencies and holes in their reports, just boggles the mind. Even those who are more prone to sticking with the "official" story are scratching their heads and looking at those alternative theories out there for answers as to the demise of that plane.

Here's the link to the CTBTO sensor map. I'm still studying it but it's very informative... If you click on those boxes including those ones that are faded, they tell where they are located.

http://www.ctbto.org/map/#mode=ims

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/map_lflfjlsdf.jpg (http://s932.photobucket.com/user/A99_x/media/map_lflfjlsdf.jpg.html)

[spiritguide]

P-3 Orions are fitted with various sensor systems and sonar buoys are only used with their sonar system. As for their areas of operation and times and places this info is classified and always has been. Sea-Air rescue is only one of the various missions they are capable of. The capability of these aircraft is beyond anyone's guess. Lockheed builds them! Ex P-3b flight engineer here VP4, 69-70 time frame. For more info on P-3's and their use see http://www.vpnavy.org/index.html for straight skinny (facts).

Peace!

[panopticon]

Last 2 media releases from JACC saying that the signal the Orion detected yesterday wasn't from a black box.
No sightings of objects yesterday or anything recovered by search vessels...
In other words: No change.

###

Search and recovery continues for Malaysian flight MH370 (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr017.aspx)
Media Release, 11 April 2014 - am

Up to 12 military aircraft, three civil aircraft and 13 ships will assist in today's search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Today the Australian Maritime Safety Authority has planned two search areas in close proximity totalling about 46,713 square kilometres. The centre of the search areas lies approximately 2312 kilometres north west of Perth.

The weather forecast for today is 10–15 knot southerly winds with isolated showers, seas swells of 1 to 1.5 metres and visibility of five kilometres in showers.

Yesterday there were no sightings reported by search aircraft or objects recovered by ships.

Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr017.aspx)

###

Update on search for Malaysian flight MH370 (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr018.aspx)
Media Release, 11 April 2014 - PM

The Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), said an initial assessment of the possible signal detected by a RAAF AP-3C Orion aircraft yesterday afternoon has been determined as not related to an aircraft underwater locator beacon.

“The Australian Joint Acoustic Analysis Centre has analysed the acoustic data and confirmed that the signal reported in the vicinity of the Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield is unlikely to be related to the aircraft black boxes,” Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), said.

“Further analysis continues to be undertaken by Australian Joint Acoustic Analysis Centre.

“Today Ocean Shield is continuing more focussed sweeps with the Towed Pinger Locator to try and locate further signals that may be related to the aircraft's black boxes. It is vital to glean as much information as possible while the batteries on the underwater locator beacons may still be active.

“The AP-3C Orions continue their acoustic search, working in conjunction with Ocean Shield, with three more missions planned for today.

“A decision as to when to deploy the Autonomous Underwater Vehicle will be made on advice from experts on board the Ocean Shield and could be some days away.

“On the information I have available to me, there has been no major breakthrough in the search for MH370. I will provide a further update if, and when, further information becomes available.”

Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr018.aspx)

[sigma6]

Photo Of Plane-like Image In Afghanistan Described (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70386-Obama-Has-Partnered-With-The-Taliban-For-U.S-Geopolitical-agenda&p=821208&viewfull=1#post821208)

Read 'em and weep ..... LOLOL!


MH370 Hostage Crisis: Photo Of Plane-like Image In Afghanistan Described

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/8435/images/DETAIL_PICTURE__17272624.jpg



MH370 Hostage Crisis: Alive In Serious Condition, 20 Smuggled Into Pakistan, RU Secret Service Say

http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/10690/images/map-north.jpg

[Atlas]

Malaysian government denies scrambling jets to chase down MH370 (http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysian-government-denies-scrambling-jets-chase-down-mh370-2014041)

"Latest from CNN Claiming that Msian Air Force aircraft scrambled soon after MAS reported MH370 missing early 8/3 is a false allegation. Also claim by CNN that Msian Air Force scrambled and did not inform DCA or SAR ops until 3 days later, 11/3 is also untrue" Defence Minister Hishammuddin's communications team tweeted.

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More than 200 statements recorded so far, say cops (http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/04/11/mh370-search-205-statements-recorded-says-IGP/)

"As of yesterday evening, we recorded 205 statements, with more to come." Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar said Friday.

Khalid also responded to a denial by the Johor Federal Agriculture Marketing Authority (Fama), that a cargo of mangosteens carried on the missing flight had come from Muar.

"The mangosteens may have not necessarily been cultivated in Johor, but the supplier is from Muar. The mangosteens were gathered in Muar before being brought to the KLIA (KL International Airport)," he said.

Johor Fama had explained that the mangosteens carried on the flight were not produced by orchards in Johor as its fruiting season would only start in June.

[Atlas]

The depth of the problem (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/depthmh370.gif

[Operator]

The depth of the problem (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/):


Ok, just what I expected ... even at the deepest possible point, what a coincidence. :eyebrows:

But wait ... that's not too deep !

Remember this ?

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/504/cache/james-cameron-returns-mariana-trench_50423_990x742.jpg

James Cameron going as deep as 6.8 miles in the Mariana trench ....

Perhaps he can have a look (and make the next movie about it).

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/05/23/deep-sea5_wide-127b6c6bd7e3e11ce74553cbf2eeb28ccdb04bc4-s40-c85.jpg

[Roisin]

I doubt very much that this particular "black box" that everybody is searching for would sink to those depths as we all know it's only a movie prop with a pinger on it. :tape2:

[panopticon]

Search continuing off Australia. No new confirmed signals reported or any debris found. Media release below.

###

Search and recovery continues for Malaysian flight MH370 (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr019.aspx)
Media Release, 12 April 2014 - AM

Up to nine military aircraft, one civil aircraft and 14 ships will assist in today's search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Today the Australian Maritime Safety Authority has planned a visual search area totalling approximately 41,393 square kilometres. The centre of the search areas lies approximately 2331 kilometres north west of Perth.

Today, Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield continues more focused sweeps with the Towed Pinger Locator to try and locate further signals related to the aircraft's black boxes. The AP-3C Orions continue their acoustic search, working in conjunction with Ocean Shield. The oceanographic ship HMS Echo is also working in the area with Ocean Shield. This work continues in an effort to narrow the underwater search area for when the Autonomous Underwater Vehicle is deployed. There have been no confirmed acoustic detections over the past 24 hours.

The weather forecast for today is 10 knot south easterly winds with isolated showers, sea swells up to one metre and visibility of five kilometres in showers.

Aircraft and ships reported spotting a number of objects during yesterday's search, but only a small number were able to be recovered. None of the recovered items were confirmed to be associated with MH370.

Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr019.aspx)

[mosquito]

The depth of the problem (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/):



Very sobering diagram.

[heretogrow]

Oh my, yet I am not sure I quite buy it. I think they know exactly where it is!

[boja]

Irrespective of whether the transponder was working at the time,
RADAR Contact was suddenly lost while the plane was at high altitude.

The plane must have been monitored on several military & civilian RADARs.

Surely for this to have happened, the plane must have been blown into many small pieces - or am I missing something ??

[Atlas]

Airborne Contact: Telco tower in Penang picked up phone signal (http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/call-traced-to-co-pilot-s-phone-1.562612)

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.nst.com.my/w1.nst.com.my/polopoly_fs/1.562632.1397234385!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_454/ximage.jpg.pagespeed.ic.Y88HVLmgam.webp

KUALA LUMPUR: Co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid made a call from his mobile phone as the plane was flying low near Penang. It is understood that the aircraft was flying at an altitude low enough for the nearest telecommunications tower to pick up his phone's signal.

"The telco's (telecommunications company's) tower established the call that he was trying to make. On why the call was cut off, it was likely because the aircraft was fast moving away from the tower and had not come under the coverage of the next one," the sources said.

A different set of sources close to the investigations told the NST that checks on Fariq's phone showed that connection to the phone had been "detached" before the plane took off.

"This is usually the result of the phone being switched off. At one point, however, when the airplane was airborne, between waypoint Igari and the spot near Penang (just before it went missing from radar), the line was 'reattached'. A 'reattachment' does not necessarily mean that a call was made. It can also be the result of the phone being switched on again," the sources said.

[araucaria]

Irrespective of whether the transponder was working at the time,
RADAR Contact was suddenly lost while the plane was at high altitude.

The plane must have been monitored on several military & civilian RADARs.

Surely for this to have happened, the plane must have been blown into many small pieces - or am I missing something ??
Military perhaps. What you are missing is secrecy. The need for military secrecy would override any need to inform the public about a matter so insignificant as the loss of a 777. It may sound callous, but in some circumstances the security issues involved might make it perfectly understandable. In our clamour for openness, we tend to forget secrecy/confidentiality is a normal, healthy way of conducting human affairs. I share things with my wife that I don't tell anyone else, and even on a public forum like this, we have a private messaging service for individual members to exchange their private business.

[Cidersomerset]

This article adds to the importance of Diego Garcia in the 'Game of terror '....
and confirms it is set up for these type of operations, known as the
CIA “extraordinary rendition” programme. A Indian ocean Guantanamo
a base not on US soil where they can bend the law.

This shows the base is perfectly capable of being used for nefarious
operations and with the recent suspension of holiday tours little pieces
of the puzzle are coming together. Whether its part of the flight 370
picture is still speculation , but the importance of this little base has
become more clear. It is far from a backwater station.

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THE TELEGRAPH.....


British gave 'full co-operation' for CIA black jail on Diego Garcia, report claims

Fresh claims emerge of high-level British government involvement in the programme



http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02878/diego_2878877b.jpg


The Ground-Based Electro-Optical Deep Space Surveillance facility at Detachment
2, in Diego Garcia, British Indian OceanTerritory Photo: ALAMY

By Peter Foster, Washington

7:17PM BST 10 Apr 2014


The British government allowed the CIA to run a “black” jail for Al-Qaeda suspects
on the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia, it was claimed last night.


The report, based on leaked accounts of a US Senate investigation into the CIA’s
kidnap and torture programme after 9/11, contradicts years of British government
denials that it allowed the US to use Diego Garcia for its “extraordinary rendition”
programme.


The alleged Diego Garcia black site was used to hold some “high-value” detainees
and was made with the “full co-operation” of the British government, according to
Al Jazeera America, quoting US officials familiar with the Senate report.


Last night William Hague was facing demands from international and British lawyers
representing victims of the CIA “extraordinary rendition” programme to urgently
clarify the new allegations in a letter from Reprieve, the legal charity that
represents several rendition victims.


“We need to know immediately whether ministers misled Parliament over CIA
torture on British soil,” said Cori Crider, Reprieve’s strategic director

“If the CIA operated a black site on Diego Garcia, then a string of official
statements, from both this and the last government, were totally false. Were
ministers asleep at the wheel? Or, as the report suggests, have we been lied to for
years?” The new details could be confirmed within weeks after the US Senate voted
last week to declassify a 500-page summary of its three-year investigation in the
CIA kidnap and torture programme that examined some six million classified documents.

A summary of the report is now with the White House which has said it is
determined to release it to the public, subject to national security considerations. It
remains unclear how far the CIA, which has fought bitterly against publication, will
succeed in having it redacted.

The claims that the British were fully aware of a Diego Garcia black site chimes with
claims by a security source to The Daily Telegraph last weekend that Tony Blair and
senior government ministers, including Jack Straw, were briefed in detail
and “every step of the way” on the CIA rendition programme.

Amrit Singh, senior lawyer with the New York-based Open Society Justice Initiative
and the author of Administration of Torture, a book detailing the Bush
administration’s torture policy, said the Al Jazeera report clearly suggested UK
involvement with the CIA programme went far beyond tacit complicity.

“The fact that this says it was being done with full co-operation’ of the British
government suggests that the British government knew exactly what was
happening on its territory and is therefore liable for the secret detention,” she said.

The role of Diego Garcia in the CIA programme has been under scrutiny since 2006
and came back into the headlines after top secret documents found in Libya in 2011
showed Diego Garcia being listed on a CIA rendition flight plan for a Libyan Islamist
Abdel-Hakim Belhadj and his wife Fatima Boudchar in March 2004.

Scotland Yard is currently investigating whether criminal charges should be laid
against MI6 officers or anyone else who was complicit in the rendition of Mr Belhadj
and another Libyan Islamist Sami al-Saadi who was paid a £2.2m “no fault”
settlement by the British government in 2012.

After the Tripoli documents were made public by Human Rights Watch the Foreign
Office issued a statement again denying that Diego Garcia had been used as a
rendition stop.

“No flights with a detainee on board landed on Diego Garcia in March 2004,” said
David Lidington, a minister of state at the Foreign Office, in a written parliamentary
answer of December 2012 in response to a question about the Tripoli documents.

The answer added that aside from two acknowledged cases of rendition through
Diego Garcia in 2002 there were “no other instances in which US intelligence flights
landed in the UK, our Overseas Territories, or the Crown Dependencies, with a
detainee, on board since 11 September 2001.”

In a letter to Mr Hague seen by The Daily Telegraph lawyers at Reprieve asking the
foreign office both to confirm the truth of its early statements and clarify whether –
if rendition flights were not allowed to land at Diego Garcia in March 2004 – it was
because of concerns over earlier detentions.

Responding to the letter, an Foreign Office spokesman declined to elaborate, saying
only: “I refer you to statements we’ve made in the past on this issue.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10758747/British-gave-full-co-operation-for-CIA-black-jail-on-Diego-Garcia-report-claims.html
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.6/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

12 April 2014 Last updated at 10:37

Missing plane MH370: Abbott says signal 'rapidly fading'

vid on link ..."Numerous signals"..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27000576


Signals in remote seas thought to be from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight
MH370 are "rapidly fading" and finding the jet will be a "massive, massive task",
Australia's PM says.

Tony Abbott said he was confident "pings" detected by search teams were from the
aircraft's black boxes.

But no new signals have been confirmed in the search area since Tuesday.

"No one should underestimate the difficulties of the task still ahead of us," Mr
Abbott warned.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74195000/jpg/_74195243_74195242.jpg
Up to 10 planes and 14 ships were searching the area in the Indian Ocean on Saturday
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74176000/gif/_74176109_malaysian_airliner_search_624_11.04.14.gif



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27000576

[Hervé]

Just re-inserting a reality check:

Even if that plane were there, off the west coast of Australia, that is still a distraction from:

How the hell did it get there with no-one noticing?

The latter implies a lot of red faces all around!

The first of those red-face is Boeing with security flaws in its Fly-by-Wire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire) software and hardware (see post # 721 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=811401&viewfull=1#post811401)) which can turn that big bird into a remote-controlled drone with pilots unable to do anything.

[ponda]

Amzer Zo said

Even if that plane were there, off the west coast of Australia, that is still a distraction from:

How the hell did it get there with no-one noticing?

Exactly.Assuming that that was the direction that it headed.



The latter implies a lot of red faces all around!

The first of those red-face is Boeing with security flaws in its Fly-by-Wire software and hardware (see post # 721) which can turn that big bird into a remote-controlled drone with pilots unable to do anything.

I don't know about anyone else but i haven't heard any mention on the msm about the Boeing Uninterruptible Auto Pilot Technology.Now i wonder why that would be...?


This breaking news... (edited)


Co-pilot of missing plane made mid-air phone call (http://www.siasat.com/english/news/co-pilot-missing-plane-made-mid-air-phone-call-report)


Apologies.Already posted by buares in an earlier post.

cheers

[Atlas]

This breaking news...

I posted this 5 posts ago:


Airborne Contact: Telco tower in Penang picked up phone signal (http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/call-traced-to-co-pilot-s-phone-1.562612)

KUALA LUMPUR: Co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid made a call from his mobile phone as the plane was flying low near Penang. It is understood that the aircraft was flying at an altitude low enough for the nearest telecommunications tower to pick up his phone's signal.

"The telco's (telecommunications company's) tower established the call that he was trying to make. On why the call was cut off, it was likely because the aircraft was fast moving away from the tower and had not come under the coverage of the next one," the sources said.

A different set of sources close to the investigations told the NST that checks on Fariq's phone showed that connection to the phone had been "detached" before the plane took off.

"This is usually the result of the phone being switched off. At one point, however, when the airplane was airborne, between waypoint Igari and the spot near Penang (just before it went missing from radar), the line was 'reattached'. A 'reattachment' does not necessarily mean that a call was made. It can also be the result of the phone being switched on again," the sources said.

[Operator]

Airborne Contact: Telco tower in Penang picked up phone signal (http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/call-traced-to-co-pilot-s-phone-1.562612)

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.nst.com.my/w1.nst.com.my/polopoly_fs/1.562632.1397234385!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_454/ximage.jpg.pagespeed.ic.Y88HVLmgam.webp

KUALA LUMPUR: Co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid made a call from his mobile phone as the plane was flying low near Penang. It is understood that the aircraft was flying at an altitude low enough for the nearest telecommunications tower to pick up his phone's signal.

"The telco's (telecommunications company's) tower established the call that he was trying to make. On why the call was cut off, it was likely because the aircraft was fast moving away from the tower and had not come under the coverage of the next one," the sources said.

A different set of sources close to the investigations told the NST that checks on Fariq's phone showed that connection to the phone had been "detached" before the plane took off.

"This is usually the result of the phone being switched off. At one point, however, when the airplane was airborne, between waypoint Igari and the spot near Penang (just before it went missing from radar), the line was 'reattached'. A 'reattachment' does not necessarily mean that a call was made. It can also be the result of the phone being switched on again," the sources said.

Why is this info popping up (inserted?) so late in the unfolding drama? :confused:
A pilot should know he's moving way too fast, they would need to be at low altitude and besides wouldn't a plane
be the same as being in a Faraday cage (although I admit a car would be too but apparently not sufficiently for UHF) ?

What would be his (urgent) reason to make a call in mid-flight?

[Atlas]

Co-pilot did not attempt mid-air phone call, says Hisham (http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/04/12/MH370-search-no-copilot-phone-call-hisham/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

KLUANG: Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein has refuted a report which claimed that Fariq Abdul Hamid, the co-pilot of the MH370 aircraft, had made a telephone call when it was flying low near Penang.

He said by right, he should have been aware of it (the phone call) earlier, if the claim was true.

"I cannot comment because if it is true, we would have known about it much earlier," Hishammuddin, who is also Defence Minister, said after performing prayers at the Taman Sri Lambak Mosque here Saturday.

He said he had adopted the approach not to confirm anything without any corroboration or verification since the beginning when flight MH370 was reported missing.

He said it was irresponsible for any quarters to take the opportunity to make a baseless report.

He hoped the public understood what he was going through because such baseless information not only affected operations but also the families of the passengers and the crew of the aircraft.

[sheme]

One gets the feeling that 'someone' dumped a defunct blackbox into the deepest part of the ocean (no plane attached) the other stuff just meant to complicate and add to distractions. I am not buying any of this garbage.

I object most strongly to the abuse of humanity by the ptw, and I ask for help from friends -let the apocalypse happen now .

(Apocalypse (Ancient Greek: ἀποκάλυψις apocálypsis, from ἀπό and καλύπτω meaning 'un-covering'), translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge, i.e., a lifting of the veil or revelation, although this sense did not enter English until the 14th century.[1] In religious contexts it is usually a disclosure of something hidden. In the Book of Revelation (Greek Ἀποκάλυψις Ἰωάννου, Apocalypsis Ioannou), the last book of the New Testament, the revelation which John receives is that of the ultimate victory of good over evil and the end of the present age.)

[Operator]

I sometimes ask myself:
Suppose the plane was taken over (remotely) ... what would you do to get control back?
Or what would an expert/pilot do? And what could he still do if there is no more access to the cockpit?

E.g. would it be possible to force the computer to fly lower if the cabin pressure drops etc. ?
I know it is speculation, you could call it brainstorming, but could we think of a scenario that fits the facts
(if reports are correct) ?

[Atlas]

US military eyes Cocos Islands as a future Indian Ocean spy base
[...] Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/us-military-eyes-cocos-islands-as-a-future-indian-ocean-spy-base-20120327-1vwo0.html#ixzz2yK8I4C79

Published March 26, 2012

Secret spy station on Cocos Islands (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/secret-spy-station-on-cocos-islands-20131031-2wma0.html) - Published October 31, 2013

Australia's electronic spy agency is intercepting Indonesian naval and military communications through a secret radio listening post on the remote Cocos Islands. According to former defence officials, the Defence Signals Directorate operates the signals interception and monitoring facility – known locally as "the house with no windows" – on Australia's Indian Ocean territory, 1100 kilometres south-west of Java.

The station has never been publicly acknowledged despite being in operation for more than two decades. The facility includes radio-monitoring and direction-finding equipment, and a satellite ground station.

The Defence Department would not comment on the facility and said only that the Cocos Islands host "a communications station" that "forms part of the wider Defence communications network." However, former Defence officers have confirmed the station is a Defence Signals Directorate facility devoted to maritime and military surveillance, especially Indonesian naval, air force and military communications.

Australian National University intelligence expert Professor Des Ball said the facility was operated remotely from DSD headquarters at Russell Hill in Canberra. Intercepted signals are encrypted and relayed to Canberra. He said preparations to establish the Cocos facility began in the late 1980s, and involved a highly secretive signals intelligence group, the Royal Australian Air Force's No. 3 Telecommunications Unit.

[spiritguide]

Diago Garcia and Cocos/Keeling Islands are a diversion to missing A/C mystery. SEATO like NATO is a military self defense pact for the member countries. Why have we not heard of reports from this organization? After all it is their neighborhood. Where is waldo? Are we even on the right page? Many questions, few answers. What a mind scramble, if allowed. IMHO

Peace!

[sigma6]

The depth of the problem (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/depthmh370.gif


Here's the question, is there any evidence to show it is down there? What if it's not down there? Just spending millions of dollars doesn't prove anything, (unless your making a Hollywood movie production.)

[Operator]

Here's the question, is there any evidence to show it is down there? What if it's not down there? Just spending millions of dollars doesn't prove anything, (unless your making a Hollywood movie production.)

No there isn't ... my predictions are still correct that they will find the pinger at the very last moment taking that as identification of the plane.
Two more remarks they made that support my gut feeling:

- the pinger is already fading (which means it doesn't stay much longer there for any one else to verify)
- they already stated that it took years to find the French Boeing in the Atlantic

So when the attention dies off and less eyes are focused on this area there is better opportunity to put any
kind of evidence on the spot that they need to prove the case.

[Agape]

They will be found somewhere else , you can bang on that . They're way off roads with the search now , it's the technologies that befooled their clear sight rather than otherwise .

:angel:

[araucaria]

MH370 and the black box of the mind
Psychoanalyst Josh Cohen on the flight recorder as a potent image of our helpless relationship to the world and to ourselves


The black box is a potently concentrated image of this helpless relationship to the world and to ourselves. We are at the mercy of what it says and does, yet we have almost no understanding of its internal workings, and no means of influencing or modifying it.

It may be that our culture of surveillance – by which I mean not only the persecutory monitoring of the totalitarian state envisioned by Orwell, but the more tacitly imposed, pseudo-benign mutual monitoring of social media culture, as well as tabloid media intrusion – can only be understood in relation to this feeling of helplessness.

For the likes of Paul McMullan, the tabloid journalist who told the Leveson inquiry that "privacy is for paedos", every closed room, and every life lived inside it, is an invitation to break into them with a telephoto lens or a hacking device. And perhaps the willing surrender of our own private lives to the eyes of Facebook "friends", Twitter followers and webcams can be read as a more tacit protest against the black boxes of the self and the world, a fantasy of making ourselves and everyone around us fully transparent. "SECRETS ARE LIES / SHARING IS CARING / PRIVACY IS THEFT" run the slogans of the corporate behemoth imagined in Dave Eggers's recent satirical novel, The Circle. Flood the world with light, and the darkness will be magically eliminated.

The suffering of the MH370 families reminds us of the very real terrors ignorance can induce in us. And yet if the darkness of the self induces feelings of helplessness and dispossession, psychoanalysis reminds us that it is also the basis of our creativity. Without the black box of the unconscious, we would have nothing – neither terrors nor pleasures – to imagine.


Full article here:


http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/apr/12/mh360-black-box-mind-psychoanalysis

[Atlas]

Hishammuddin dismisses Utusan’s CIA-link theory in flight MH370’s disappearance (http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/hishammuddin-dismisses-utusans-cia-link-theory-in-flight-mh370s-disappearan)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlGtBt0CQAAD2eL.jpg

On April 7, Utusan had said that it was time "to think outside the box" over the incident, saying it could be a ploy to tarnish the good relations between Malaysia and China. "If the CIA could arrange for the attack on the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001, it is not improbable to link MH370 with the intelligence agency," wrote Utusan's assistant editor Ku Seman Ku Hussein.

Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein compared the paper's claim to speculative reports in the Western media, saying it was their freedom to do so. "At the end of the day, if their report is false, they will lose credibility,” he said.

Hishammuddin, however, pointed to the US's strong participation in the Defence Services Asia exhibition, which opens tomorrow. “If there is (CIA involvement), I don’t think we would see such a strong presence of the US here,” he added. Hishammuddin's denial today was the second in two days related to flight MH370.

[avid]

http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370rv.html


MH370 Revisited Part 1:
Malaysians Defy Zionist Disinformation

By Yoichi Shimatsu
World Exclusive to Rense
4-13-14

KUALA LUMPUR - At a closed-door seminar on the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, veteran police commanders and retired military officers said that erroneous media reports and bizarre blogger theories are aimed at debunking the logical conclusion that the jetliner was hijacked. Trivialized speculation and futile searching have presented a mid-sea crash as the only possible scenario and a given fact without a shred of evidence.
Meanwhile the country's largest ad agency is pushing a cynical publicity campaign to persuade families and friends to give up the search for their loved ones. Across the capital Kuala Lumpur, gigantic billboards and electronic signs are posted with "condolences" and "mourning" for those aboard MH370, asserting without an iota of proof that the passengers are dead. The shadowy ad firm Ganad behind this cruel hoax is hardly a moral standard bearer, after admitting to unreported business contracts and bribery in a court of law last year.
Who could be behind this campaign to demoralize the Malaysian public? A veteran Malaysian police detective at the seminar said that psychological-warfare tactics are being orchestrated from the Mossad station in neighboring Singapore, a stronghold of Zionist influence since the colonial era. The SingaIsraeli cover-up has backfired, however, as millions of skeptical Malaysians filter fact from corporate media lies and hold on to the possibility that someday, somehow the hostages will be freed from captivity.

Emerging Consensus Points to Israel as Perpetrator
The consensus among the gathering, which included veteran police and military officers who have insider access to government information, includes:
- The last radar detection of MH370, picked up by an airport at Surathani, Thailand, showed the jetliner moving due west between Penang and Lankawi island, past 2 a.m. when radar at the local international airports had already closed. The plane was not following a southerly arc toward Australia as erroneously suggested by European aircraft experts cited in the mass media.
- Eyewitness accounts of a low-flying jetliner over the Maldives are bona fide and consistent with other evidence showing the jetliner was forced to land on nearby Diego Garcia island, a US military facility in the British-controlled Chagos Islands group, where a large contingent of Israeli Defense Force personnel are stationed.
- The early-on claim that two Iranian terrorists were aboard was a red herring planted by the Mossad. The European passports in their possession were stolen in Thailand and their air tickets were purchased over the phone, suggesting a frame-up by Israeli spies, who operate out of the Chabad Houses in Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok. The false terror scare was a ruse to convince the US military to permit MH370 to land at Diego Garcia.
- Before departure from Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) the pilot ordered extra aircraft fuel, indicating a plan to fly the jetliner after transiting at Diego Garcia. With full fuel tanks, a Boeing 777 can easily reach Israel.

Much more on link!

[avid]

http://news.asiaone.com/news/malaysia/mh370-search-boeing-has-patent-autopilot-tech


Boeing has patent for remote control of its airlines

PETALING JAYA - When it was first speculated that Flight MH370 could have been hijacked via remote control access, many dismissed it as far-fetched science fiction.

But the technology to navigate planes, ships, trains, buses and other vehicles by remote control has been around for about a decade.

The Boeing Company, the world's leading aerospace company and the largest manufacturer of commercial jetliners and military aircraft, has the technology.

It owns a patent for a system that enables remote controlling of its aircraft to counter hijacking attempts.

Boeing applied for the patent for an "uninterruptible autopilot control system" about 11 years ago, and was awarded it in 2006.

The system can be activated when the security of onboard controls are jeopardised.

"The method and systems of the present invention provide techniques for automatically navigating, flying and landing an air vehicle," states the report for the US patent number US7142971B2.

Once activated, an aircraft could be automatically navigated, flown and made to land without input from anyone on board.

"Any onboard capability to supercede the automatic control system may be disabled by disconnecting the onboard controls," states the report.

Power is provided to the automatic control system "from an alternative power control element that is inaccessible (to anyone on board the vehicle)".

According to the patent report, control commands could be received from a remote location and/or from predetermined control commands stored on board the plane.

Boeing applied for the patent on Feb 19, 2003, barely two years after the Sept 11 attack in which hijacked planes rammed into the World Trade Centre, reducing the gigantic buildings into rubble.

Eric D. Brown, Douglas C. Cameron, Krish R. Krothapalli, Walter von Klein Jr and Todd M. William invented the system for Boeing. The patent was awarded three years later on Nov 28, 2006.

When the automatic control system is activated, no one on board the aircraft would be capable of controlling its flight.

The patent report also states that a signal might be transmitted to at least one remote location from the plane to indicate that the uninterruptible autopilot mode of the air vehicle has been engaged.

The system includes a dedicated communication link between the aircraft and a remote location, distinct from any communication link established for other types of communication.

According to an independent analyst James Corbett, the US Federal Aviation Administration had reported on the Federal Registrar last November that the Boeing 777-200, -300 and -300ER aircraft were equipped with an electronics security system to check unauthorised internal access.


Apologies if pre-posted.

[avid]

http://www.rense.com/general96/mh2.html

More on the potential fate of the flight, and 'following the money'....


MH370 Revisited Part 2:
Protecting US Defense Technology

By Yoichi Shimatsu
World Exclusive to Rense
4-13-14



KUALA LUMPUR - Several blogs are using dubious photo analysis to question the credibility of Philip Wood, the American aboard MH370 whose i-Phone message showed that the plane had been hijacked, its passengers detained by "unknown military personnel" and the detention center to be on the Diego Garcia military base. The secrecy surrounding Wood's background does not mean that he and his fiance Sarah Bajc are "crisis actors". On the contrary, the facts point to his status as a tech-security agent for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
Across Asia, the DIA has a reputation for professionalism far surpassing the CIA's armchair scholars, narcissist neophytes and diplomatic cocktail freeloaders. Wood fits the DIA profile to a tee, being computer savvy, knowledgeable about defense-related technology, careful in maintaining his cover at IBM, silent about his military record and physically tough.
The fact that the Israelis confined and likely murdered a DIA agent reveals the extreme desperation that compelled the theft of America's most advanced defense technology. The midair hijack aimed at abducting 20 computer-technology experts with Freescale Semiconductor exposes the outlaw mentality of a rogue state that holds its closest ally and benefactor in utter contempt. Simply put, Israel has emerged as America's most implacable enemy and all the more dangerous because it poses as an ally and friend.
Israel resorted to stealing the Freescale Kinetis KL02 and KL03 techology, rather than waiting to pay for licensing rights, because the micro-controller is urgently needed for the upcoming military assault on Iran. The widening divide between the State Department and Israel over Iran policy, particularly the question of a bombing campaign, put the hawkish and fanatic Netyanhu government onto a "go it alone" warpath against Tehran.
Since it is logistically impossible for the Israel Air Force to fly long-distance sorties against Iranian military sites without control over Syrian airspace, the only feasible alternative to aerial bombing is to unleash hordes of lightweight ultra-small robotic weapons that can fly and crawl into underground military facilities.
The KL series microcontroller units (MCU) are the brains for these tiny self-guided weapons, whose sensors can find pathways through air ducts, power conduits and plumbing pipes to attack electronic controls and incapacitate personnel with nerve gas or biowarfare agents. When launched from Dolphin submarines under the cover of nightfall, there is no effective defense against an army of tiny ninja robots.
The one person who stood in the way of Israel's devious plans was Philip Wood, who was not a crisis actor, as suggested in a disinformation campaign, but instead an American patriot. Without his courageous efforts to organize resistance against the hostage-takers, the Israelis would have gotten away with the perfect crime. Now, thanks to his sense of duty and personal sacrifice, the perpetrators stand naked before the world as the despicable thugs they really are. The test of American honor rides on whether the White House or Congress dares to defy Israeli treachery by acknowledging Phil Wood with a posthumous medal.

Much more on link.....

[Frank V]

I say that the plane simply broke up in three peaces above an uncharted island in the Pacific Ocean. For three seasons, the survivors of the tail section and the middle section will be looking for each other, but the nose section crashed in the jungle and the pilot is killed by a smoke monster after about a week. And then there are still The Others to deal with. :p



(For the absolutely uninitiated, check here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_%28TV_series%29). :p)

[avid]

Aragorn - That series was weird - but hopefully not relevant to some ghastly false flag and missing folk today!

[araucaria]

On April 7, Utusan had said that it was time "to think outside the box" over the incident, saying it could be a ploy to tarnish the good relations between Malaysia and China. "If the CIA could arrange for the attack on the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001, it is not improbable to link MH370 with the intelligence agency," wrote Utusan's assistant editor Ku Seman Ku Hussein.

Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein compared the paper's claim to speculative reports in the Western media, saying it was their freedom to do so. "At the end of the day, if their report is false, they will lose credibility,” he said.

Hishammuddin, however, pointed to the US's strong participation in the Defence Services Asia exhibition, which opens tomorrow. “If there is (CIA involvement), I don’t think we would see such a strong presence of the US here,” he added. Hishammuddin's denial today was the second in two days related to flight MH370.


"If the CIA could arrange for the attack on the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001
Wow, he said that? :)


“If there is (CIA involvement), I don’t think we would see such a strong presence of the US here,”
We might if the CIA = US gov't.

[panopticon]

Latest media conference by Houston just ended on search for MH370.

In short, as there's been no more signals received in almost a week the search is changing to using the autonomous underwater vehicle. It will start mapping the sea floor in the region and see if there's anything there.

Once again Houston repeatedly said that without the discovery of wreckage there can be no confirmation.

Preliminary article from ABC Oz below.

###

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Autonomous underwater vehicle to be deployed as use of pinger locator winds up (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/malaysia-airlines-mh370-underwater-vessel-to-be-sent/5388550)

Searchers on the hunt for missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 will deploy underwater vehicles to search for the missing plane without any new signals from plane's black box.

Retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, charged with leading the recovery effort, says an oil slick has also been spotted in the vicinity of the search area, however it is unclear whether it is from the plane.

He says autonomous underwater vehicles will be deployed in the place of the towed pinger locator - used to detect black box signals - to visually locate any wreckage in the Indian Ocean.

The Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) has said there were no acoustic signals detected over the weekend with fears batteries in the plane's flight recorders - or black box - may be fading.

The last of the four signals detected by Australian ship Ocean Shield were received last Tuesday night.

"Despite the lack of further detections, the four signals previously acquired taken together constitute the most promising lead we have in the search for MH370," he said.

"We need to pursue this lead as far as possible.

"Analysis of the four signals has allowed the provisional definition of a reduced and manageable search area on the ocean floor.

"The experts have therefore determined that the Australian defence vessel Ocean Shield will cease searching with the towed pinger locator later today and deploy the autonomous underwater vehicle, Bluefin-21, as soon as possible."

The aircraft vanished off radars on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board, including six Australians.

More to come.

Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/malaysia-airlines-mh370-underwater-vessel-to-be-sent/5388550)

[panopticon]

Today's press conference given by Houston:

it9UPN4aS_w
Houston ended the press conference questions with this:


So at the moment, this is really all we've got. We have got no visual objects. We have—the only thing we have left at this stage is the four transmissions and an oil slick in the same vicinity. So we will investigate those to their conclusion and that's where we are.
Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/interviews/2014/april/tr009.aspx)

-- Pan

[Harley]

Just now from CNN:


CNN Breaking News BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com
9:59 AM (20 minutes ago)

A U.S. official with firsthand knowledge of the investigation into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 told CNN's Pamela Brown today that a cell phone tower in Penang, Malaysia -- about 250 miles from where the flight disappeared -- detected the co-pilot's phone searching for service around the time the plane vanished.

The revelation follows reporting over the weekend in a Malaysian newspaper that co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid had tried to make a telephone call while the plane was in flight. However, the U.S. official -- who cited information shared by Malaysian investigators -- said there was no evidence the co-pilot had tried to make a call.

The details do appear to reaffirm suggestions based on radar and satellite data that the plane turned around and was likely flying low enough to obtain a signal from a cell tower, the official said.

For your info:

The max distance a typical cellphone can ping a tower under perfect line-of-sight conditions is approximately 45 miles and the max distance a typical cellphone can work reliably (again under perfect line-of-sight conditions) is approx 20 miles.

Also, it didn't go to Diego Garcia. Although all of the info about this base that you've been able to dig up from the internet and other sources is quite interesting, that's just my point. Do you really believe it would be all that easy? Think about it.

Also, a plane on autopilot cannot change course unless commanded to do so. So why would someone command this plane to fly around Indonesian airspace and then head South just to crash in the South Indian Ocean, and to do so without any sort of contact? Think about it.

Remember, the search area was completely diverted to the opposite direction when the US/UK were asked for help. Maybe you might want to think about going back to the point where last contact was initially reported lost.

The plane is not in the South Indian Ocean, but as I said many moons ago (in this thread) that's where it'll be found.

[Atlas]

It seems like the plane disappeared twice, once at the northernmost point of Malaysia (at the crossroads between Thailand and Vietnam) and a second time at the westernmost point of Malaysia (at the crossroads between Thailand and Indonesia).


Given that the last known location for the aircraft was just on the Malaysian side of the Malaysia-Vietnam maritime boundary (but with the aircraft headed toward Vietnam), both of these countries likely are aware that at some point in the future their actions in dealing with this crisis could be used as evidence in supporting a future maritime boundary claim.
http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/schinasea.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/19/the-geopolitics-of-asia-are-complicated-and-so-is-the-search-for-mh370/

[avid]

WOW! One plane disappearing twice in differing locations, yet there is the Diego Garcia problem, the Operation Cobra incident, and an oil worker and a sea captain seeing flaming evidence, picking up debris (but was hushed up quickly) near Vietnam. I reckon that it was 'swapped', the Diego Garcia faction is a goer, and any 'evidence' in the south seas is faked. I'm going to concentrate on my family, do gardening, look after my needy cats, and in desperation watch TV. These last few years for me have been totally horrific - but being in here to 'escape' is worse now. Death and illness - I'm going back to face it. :-O

[Atlas]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before:

Warning of ‘possible terrorist attack on China’ received by Taiwan days before Malaysia Airlines jet vanished (http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1445314/warning-possible-terrorist-attack-china-received-taiwan-days-malaysia)

10 March, 2014: Taiwan's spy chief (National Security Bureau chief Tsai De-sheng) revealed yesterday that the island's security officials had last week received a warning about possible terrorist attacks on the mainland.

Security chiefs were believed to have received the alert from Taiwan-based China Airlines, following a phone call to the airline earlier in the day from a man who said he wanted to warn of possible terrorist activity. Claiming to work for an anti-terrorism organisation in France, the caller spoke in French at first but switched to Putonghua with a Cantonese accent when the airline's switchboard operator could not understand him.

China Airlines yesterday confirmed that a call was received on March 4. It said the information it received was passed to Taiwan's civil aviation authority and aviation police. In a statement, the airline said: "China Airlines on March 4 received a call claiming to provide intelligence on terrorist organisations and which referred to mainland China, saying Beijing airport would see terrorist attacks."

There is no indication the warning was connected to the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which vanished from radar screens in the early hours of Saturday.

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From tragedy to diplomatic mess: MH370 and the South China Sea (http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2014/03/19/MH370-china-South-China-Sea-ADIZ.aspx)

19 March 2014: The MH370 incident will impact on territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

Claimants in the South China Sea's territorial disputes, such as China, Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Indonesia, have participated in the search. But adding to public frustration and to a perception of poor cooperation and information-sharing in the region, Thailand yesterday announced that its military radars may have picked up MH370 last week, information that was not passed on to Malaysia.

The implications will not be lost on China. If, as many analysts believe, China this year tries to extend an Air Defence Identification Zone further into the South China Sea, there will be a renewed pressure in the region to improve air and maritime awareness and information-sharing.

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31 March 2014: MH370: A fresh lesson about relationship with China (http://bigdogdotcom.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/mh370-a-fresh-lesson-about-relationship-with-china/)

http://bigdogdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/48951920_south_china-sea_1_466.gif
(ASEAN EEZ Vs China’s claims over South China Sea)

[Elainie]

This came up on my Facebook feed- anyone seen this one yet?

http://www.canalina.com/malaysian-plane-found-near-kandahar-passengers-alive


Malaysian Plane “Found” near Kandahar And all Passengers alive


The Russian media outlet MK.ru is reporting today that Malaysia Airlines flight MH-370 made a hard landing on a rural road southeast of Kandahar, Afghanistan, near the Pakistan Border. According to the report, the passengers and crew are alive.

While the Google translation from the original Russian language is not precise, the MK story says that the Pilots of Flight MH370 did not steal the plane; it was hijacked by unknown persons. This information came from a confidential source inside the Russian security services.

Flight MH370 went missing on March 8 with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board.

The MK story claims that the passengers and crew have been “captured” and that the airplane is on a rural road, southeast of Kandahar, Afghanistan, with a broken wing from a hard landing. The plane is said to be located very near the border of Pakistan. The story even contains a map as follows:

The story goes on to report that all the passengers are alive; that they’ve been divided into seven groups living hand-to-mouth in mud huts nearby.

The story also says that “20 Asian Professionals were captured” and bluntly accuses that the hijacking was done “presumably by the Americans” on “someone’s order.”

Member of the Flight Safety Foundation Sergey Melnichenko, pointed out that on “March 21 Thailand, India and Pakistan said that the aircraft was not tracked by air defenses; not that it did not fly over their countries, just that it was not tracked.

This past Sunday, the head of the Intelligence Committee of the U.S. Senate Diane Feinstein, responding to a question from CNN on the probability of a terrorist component in the case of the missing plane, said “At the moment nothing has been found”.

The story goes on to point out that there are two areas in Afghanistan controlled by the Taliban, with two air corridors where MH370 could fly after disappearing from radar. Rather than admit this, Malaysian authorities are merely relying on the Afghan and Pakistan governments saying military radar never tracked the plane.

The story goes on to say that trust may be misplaced since the border area between Pakistan and Afghanistan is semi-abandoned.

Source

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's the Russian source of the above story:

http://www.mk.ru/incident/article/2014/04/07/1010283-razvedka-malayziyskiy-boing-ugnal-chelovek-po-klichke-hich-zahvachennyie-spetsialistyi-v-pakistane.html




* English summary on the above site *

This information was not published in the world media: "Flight MH 370 Malaysia Airlines missing on March 8th with 239 passengers was hijacked. Pilots are not guilty, the plane was hijacked by unknown. By the way we know that the name of the terrorist who gave instructions to pilots is “Hitch”. The plane is in Afghanistan not far from Kandahar near the border with Pakistan. Plane is on the road near the mountain range, it has a broken wing. Maybe it made a hard landing. All passengers survived, they live in shacks almost without food. Twenty Asian specialists were captured. There is one Japanese among them. All experts were brought into the bunker in Pakistan. Perhaps the terrorists intend to bargain with the Americans. This information has been provided by an anonymous source in the intelligence agencies to the correspondent of the Russian newspaper "Moskovsky Komsomolets (http://www.mk.ru/incident/accident/article/2014/04/08/1010734-intelligence-agencies-quotboeing777200er-malaysia-airlines-near-kandahar-the-name-of-the-terrorist-is-hitchquot.html)".

Разведка: Малайзийский Боинг угнал человек по кличке «Хич», захваченные специалисты - в Пакистане


Об этом сообщил «МК» анонимный источник в спецслужбах и этой же версии придерживаются разведки нескольких стран

«Имя лица, вынудившего двух пилотов Боинга совершить угон самолета компании Malaysia Airlines (рейс MH-370), на борту которого находилось в общей сложности 239 человек – «Хич» (кличка). Пока ничего не известно о его сообщниках. 20 летевших в Боинге-777 особых азиатских специалистов еще в марте были перевезены в один из пакистанских бункеров. Среди специалистов-заложников есть один японец.

В настоящее время все пассажиры самолеты, к счастью, живы и находятся в горном районе к юго-востоку от афганского города Кандагар»,- об этом собкору газеты «Московский Комсомолец» на условиях анонимности рассказал авторитетный источник в спецслужбах, и добавил, что точно такой же версии придерживаются разведки нескольких стран. Данная информация ни в одном из мировых СМИ ранее не публиковалась.

Чуть ранее путем эксклюзивного информирования «МК» стало известно, что "пропавший 8 марта авиалайнер компаний Malaysia Airlines и China Southern Airlines с 227 пассажирами на борту и 12-ю членами экипажа был захвачен и находится к юго-востоку от Кандагара, на территории
Афганистана у границы с Пакистаном. Пилоты рейса MH370 в угоне не виновны - самолет захвачен неизвестными лицами.

Авиалайнер стоит на небольшой дороге с отломанным крылом - т.е. лайнер, предположительно, совершил очень жесткую посадку. Все пассажиры живы, разбиты на семь групп и живут в «мазанках» впроголодь. Все люди в тяжелом состоянии. Из самолета были захвачены около 20 азиатских специалистов, пленение которых было нужно, предположительно, для торга с американской или китайской стороной. То есть данный угон, предположительно, чей-то заказ или же шантаж".

Можно ли доверять этой информации про Боинг? Время покажет...

Эксперт по расследованию авиационных происшествий Евгений Кузьминов (Центр научно-технических исследований и экспертиз) заверил собкора «МК», что Боинг-777-200ER «вполне мог приземлиться на обычной грунтовой дороге более менее плотной поверхности длиной порядка 2000 метров. Правда, для этого должны быть свободные подходы к посадочной полосе - то есть не должно быть деревьев и гор, отметил Кузьминов. Должны быть соответствующие возможности, чтобы можно было маневрировать. При жестком приземлении на "плохую" поверхность, конечно, может подломиться шасси или даже поломаться крыло (вес малайзийского Боинга-777-200ER с пассажирами, экипажем и грузом составляет порядка 200 тонн).

Опытнейший российский авиатор Евгений Кузьминов вспомнил приблизительно похожую посадку авиалайнера, имевшую место в 1968 году, в результате, которой все пассажиры остались живы, а самолет цел (http://www.mk.ru/incident/article/2014/03/31/1006645-spetssluzhbyi-malayziyskiy-boing-nahoditsya-pod-kandagarom-passazhiryi-i-ekipazh-zahvachenyi.html).

Любопытно, что с данными, полученными «МК», не вяжется официальная информация от малайзийских властей. По словам члена Всемирного фонда безопасности полетов Сергея Мельниченко, «21 марта Тайланд, Индия и Пакистан заявляли, что данное воздушное судно через из их органы ПВО не отслеживалось. Не то, что не отслеживалось — его просто не было».

Смотрите материал Сергея Мельниченко: «Судьба малайзийского Боинга: факты, домыслы, версии» (http://www.mk.ru/social/article/2014/04/04/1009092-sudba-malayziyskogo-boinga-mh370-faktyi-domyislyi-versii.html).

СЕВЕРНЫЙ КОРИДОР (с сайта mh370.dca.gov.my):


http://mh370.dca.gov.my/wp-content/themes/MH370/img/map-north.jpg


К месту, еще в марте несколько британских изданий, таких как Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-mh370-plane-3251347), Independent и другие публиковали сообщение о том (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-mh370-plane-3251347), что Боинг-777-200ER после исчезновения с радаров мог улететь в Афганистан или Пакистан, на территории, подконтрольные «Талибану». Однако версия британцев осталась незамеченной за неимением конкретики.

Последней, имеющей хоть какую-то ценность информацией о пропавшем Боинге из Куала-Лумпура, является сообщение о том, что на днях судно австралийских ВМС Ocean Shield зафиксировало новые сигналы, предположительно, черных ящиков пропавшего месяц назад самолета авиакомпании Malaysia Airlines. Об этом на специальной пресс-конференции заявил

глава австралийского Межведомственного координационного центра Ангус Хьюстон.

По его словам, сигналы были зафиксированы, когда судно находилось на севере поискового района. Всего было два сигнала, один продолжался два часа, второй — 13 минут. При этом Хьюстон добавил, что, тем не менее, нет никаких доказательств того, что это сигналы именно черных ящиков с пропавшего Boeing-777-200ER. К слову, работающие на батареях передатчики "черного ящика" перестают посылать сигнал через 30 дней после катастрофы, но иногда продолжают работать и еще несколько дней после этого срока.

Самолёт Boeing-777 (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%84%D0%B0_Boeing_777_%D0%B2_%D0%98%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0 %B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B5%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5_%282014%29), выполнявший рейс из Куала-Лумпура в Пекин, внезапно пропал 8 марта 2014 года. На борту самолёта находились 227 пассажиров и 12 членов экипажа. По неизвестной причине воздушное судно ушло с первоначального курса: последний сигнал с него был получен из Индийского океана.

Поисковая операция с участием нескольких стран продолжается до сих пор. До сих пор не ясно, почему лайнер отклонился от курса и потерял связь с авиадиспетчерами. Последними словами пилотов было: "Спокойной ночи. Малайзийский три-семь-ноль". 24 марта малайзийские власти объявили лайнер разбившимся, а их родственникам руководство авиакомпании Malaysia Airlines (http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html) сообщило, что никто из находившихся на борту самолета не выжил.

ПОЛНЫЙ СПИСОК ВСЕХ, КТО ЛЕТЕЛ НА ЭТОМ БОИНГЕ-777 (http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest_Nationality.pdf)

Между тем, многие члены семей пассажиров "Боинга" обвиняют власти Малайзии в некомпетентном ведении расследования. Родственники пассажиров требуют доказательств того, что самолет действительно потерпел катастрофу и разбился. Многие из них разгневаны недостатком информации, поступающей от малазийских властей.

ФОТО ПРОПАВШЕГО БОИНГА СНАРУЖИ (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Boeing_777-2H6-ER%2C_Malaysia_Airlines_AN2067998.jpg?uselang=ru) и В КАБИНЕ (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Boeing_777-2H6-ER%2C_Malaysia_Airlines_AN0561319.jpg?uselang=ru) (размах крыла: 60,90 м, длина лайнера: 63,70 м).

К сведению, предыдущий случай бесследного исчезновения гражданского самолета имел место 30 января 1979 года во время выполнения грузового рейса Boeing 707-323C компании Varig. Через полчаса после вылета из Токио самолет исчез над Тихим океаном. Несмотря на обширные поиски, не удалось найти никаких следов самолёта либо признаков его падения. Данный инцидент до сих пор считался единственным фактом бесследного исчезновения реактивного авиалайнера и одним из самых загадочных случаев в истории мировой авиации.

[panopticon]

There are 2 other articles on MH370 by the same author (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=_dd&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.mk.ru/authors/page/351281-andrianov-zaur.html).

March 31st:
Special Services: Malaysian Boeing located near Kandahar, the passengers and crew captured (http://www.mk.ru/incident/article/2014/03/31/1006645-spetssluzhbyi-malayziyskiy-boing-nahoditsya-pod-kandagarom-passazhiryi-i-ekipazh-zahvachenyi.html)
April 11th:
Malaysian "Boeing" still hijacked? (http://www.mk.ru/incident/article/2014/04/11/1013028-malayziyskiy-boing-vsetaki-ugnan.html)

-- Pan

[wnlight]

The missing plane is in Pakistan, sitting out on the tarmac at the Pasni airport (covered up). Nearly all of the passengers and crew are alive - so far. I have been saying this since mid March, but not on this forum. The details are in my website www.neun.com/hijack.html, and I will post them here after I organise the information which is currently in a blog style. Thanks, Bill for encouraging me to post this.

[Bill Ryan]

The missing plane is in Pakistan, sitting out on the tarmac at the Pasni airport (covered up). Nearly all of the passengers and crew are alive - so far. I have been saying this since mid March, but not on this forum. The details are in my website www.neun.com/hijack.html (http://www.neun.com/hijack.html), and I will post them here after I organise the information which is currently in a blog style. Thanks, Bill for encouraging me to post this.

A note of endorsement may be in order. :)

I met Warren this afternoon (you'll see from his country flag that he's also in Ecuador). He can tell you a little more about himself if he wishes (not my place to do this!) -- but suffice to say he's a very bright guy with a lot of experience in many different areas of research. He uses dowsing, but very intelligently, as a means of remote viewing information. He's not a kook. The conversation I had with him was most interesting, and I look forward to meeting him again.

I'm not endorsing his data -- I'm not qualified to do so -- but it's interesting enough to share with the intelligent and very open-minded folks here, and I encouraged him to post it here.

[araucaria]

The missing plane is in Pakistan, sitting out on the tarmac at the Pasni airport (covered up). Nearly all of the passengers and crew are alive - so far. I have been saying this since mid March, but not on this forum. The details are in my website www.neun.com/hijack.html (http://www.neun.com/hijack.html), and I will post them here after I organise the information which is currently in a blog style. Thanks, Bill for encouraging me to post this.

A note of endorsement may be in order. :)

I met Warren this afternoon (you'll see from his country flag that he's also in Ecuador). He can tell you a little more about himself if he wishes (not my place to do this!) -- but suffice to say he's a very bright guy with a lot of experience in many different areas of research. He uses dowsing, but very intelligently, as a means of remote viewing information. He's not a kook. The conversation I had with him was most interesting, and I look forward to meeting him again.

I'm not endorsing his data -- I'm not qualified to do so -- but it's interesting enough to share with the intelligent and very open-minded folks here, and I encouraged him to post it here.
It is certainly very interesting data, thank you. I wonder if someone practised in kinesiology would not be able to get answers to the same questions.

[Limor Wolf]

As a side observer, there seems to be a mishmash of sources and items and interpretations and commenntaries where it all leads for the 'Alternative community' to do a good job for the others for what to follow later (with a great possibility) . Just a hunch. Throwing a bone to the dog and you know what will happen to it. Puttings our eyes on the ball or letting the ball drop?.. now that's the real question. Blessings ~

[Harley]

EXCERPT: The Russian media outlet MK.ru is reporting today that Malaysia Airlines flight MH-370 made a hard landing on a rural road southeast of Kandahar, Afghanistan, near the Pakistan Border.


EXCERPT: Here's the Russian source of the above story:

http://www.mk.ru/incident/article/2014/04/07/1010283-razvedka-malayziyskiy-boing-ugnal-chelovek-po-klichke-hich-zahvachennyie-spetsialistyi-v-pakistane.html
[INDENT][INDENT][INDENT] [I]* English summary on the above site *

This information was not published in the world media: "Flight MH 370 Malaysia Airlines missing on March 8th with 239 passengers was hijacked. Pilots are not guilty, the plane was hijacked by unknown. By the way we know that the name of the terrorist who gave instructions to pilots is “Hitch”. The plane is in Afghanistan not far from Kandahar near the border with Pakistan. Plane is on the road near the mountain range, it has a broken wing. Maybe it made a hard landing.

The above report corroborates the info I posted on 15 March (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=809754&viewfull=1#post809754) and on 18 March (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=811184&viewfull=1#post811184), which basically stated the plane was flown to Thailand and then it was flown to Afghanistan.

The reason for Thailand was to get it on the ground and hidden from view before daybreak and before Malaysia reported it missing.

To get it to Afghanistan undetected they changed the transponder codes to those of a military transport, launched from Thailand after nightfall so-as not to be seen, and flew an approved route to their destination.

Although I only receive fragments of info, and I have not heard what happened to the plane or passengers (stuff happens), I am still quite confident that the info given me above was the plan.

And see . . . It's a whole lot easier to make a triple-7 disappear than the so-called "experts" would have you believe.

[araucaria]

Pakistan via Diego Garcia; Afghanistan via Thailand. Is this another line of inquiry that is going to flake off, I wonder.

[Gardener]

Good to see this thread moving north again! And hi to new member Warren :)

[ozlemer]

I read this last week in our national papers.... very strange...

[Atlas]

Posted by s-eremin (http://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/22hxb7/russian_paper_in_moscow_just_leaked_the_mh370/cgn047z):

"I am Russian and I can say that this newspaper, which exists both in printed and electronic forms, is not considered one of the major newspapers in our country. Moreover, in my personal opinion, this one could simply make up the whole story just to have higher ratings and sales. Having come across this reddit post, I have read the article in question in the original, and it has not convinced me at all. It lacks quotations of any reliable sources and precise information. Looks like speculation and another conspiracy theory. By the way, this newspaper had a similar article several days ago, which was referenced and partially translated at beforeitsnews.com."

[sheme]

I can only pray that they are all safe and well .

[sheme]

I am bumping this thread, as the news on the previous page that they may have landed safely in Afghanistan is a glimmer of hope .

[Harley]

Pakistan via Diego Garcia; Afghanistan via Thailand. Is this another line of inquiry that is going to flake off, I wonder.

More than likely.

It was flaked off from the beginning because they diverted everyone's attention to the other direction in a very elaborate (but hole-ridden) way, and I expect them to continue to do the same.

For all I know right now, the answer to the "Where it went" question that I provided may no longer apply because as I said "Stuff Happens".

I do not know who took the plane nor do I know what happened to the plane. For all I know, the plan along with a little assistance could have been given to 'someone of a lesser experience' and then something went wrong, which even makes wnlight (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=822738&viewfull=1#post822738)'s report a valid possibility. But I'm still fairly confident that the answer to the "How did they do it" question that I provided still applies, as it is a quick and relatively simple way to make your plane look like someone else's plane. All you need is Valid Codes, a Valid Call Sign, a Valid Air Route, and the Cover of Darkness.

BTW, this technique has been used for infiltration, surveillance, etc. many times for many years and is simply another form of False Flag.


The above report corroborates the info I posted on 15 March (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=809754&viewfull=1#post809754) and on 18 March (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=811184&viewfull=1#post811184), which basically stated the plane was flown to Thailand and then it was flown to Afghanistan.

The reason for Thailand was to get it on the ground and hidden from view before daybreak and before Malaysia reported it missing.

To get it to Afghanistan undetected they changed the transponder codes to those of a military transport, launched from Thailand after nightfall so-as not to be seen, and flew an approved route to their destination.

Although I only receive fragments of info, and I have not heard what happened to the plane or passengers (stuff happens), I am still quite confident that the info given me above was the plan.

And see . . . It's a whole lot easier to make a triple-7 disappear than the so-called "experts" would have you believe.

But I wouldn't worry about it too much now because I expect that soon they will find the wreckage in the vicinity of the search area. Especially if something did go wrong, they probably can't afford NOT to find it where they are looking. :)

[Atlas]

The question I ask myself is: why a Malaysian airplane with a majority of Chinese nationals ? Why not a Singapore airplane full of Vietnamese for example ? There must be a reason for that... :confused:

[Gardener]

Yes me too buares, and what comes up for me are the interesting passengers and possible interesting contents of baggage hold. Not necessarily that it was out of Malaysia, or that there were chinese nationals. And then there is the multiple reason where several birds might be downed with one stone. Right now its like braiding sawdust, I think there are details not forthcoming as yet. There hasn't been much real focus on what and who the plane was carrying.

The question I ask myself is: why a Malaysian airplane with a majority of Chinese nationals ? Why not a Singapore airplane full of Vietnamese for example ? There must be a reason for that... :confused:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

The missing plane is in Pakistan, sitting out on the tarmac at the Pasni airport (covered up). Nearly all of the passengers and crew are alive - so far. I have been saying this since mid March, but not on this forum. The details are in my website www.neun.com/hijack.html (http://www.neun.com/hijack.html), and I will post them here after I organise the information which is currently in a blog style. Thanks, Bill for encouraging me to post this.

Hi Warren,

You have an interesting blog (http://www.light.ec/hijack.html) about the missing 777, and using dowsing to locate the aircraft in or near the Pasni airport along the Western Pakistan coast.

Have you explored reasons for removing Philip Wood from MH370 when it landed at Diego Garcia?

Have you been able to connect "Dot 1" and "Dot 2" (below)?

I have not rationally connected “Dot 1” and “Dot 2”. Many people feel the U.S. is bankrupt, but considering the magnitude of money involved, there cannot be enough cash in this hijacking to make any financial difference at all. Something is missing.

If the dowsing is accurate, here is long shot. Maybe the U.S. and western economies are in a state of imminent collapse, so they intend to anger the Chinese sufficiently to cause them to collapse the dollar, which they can easily do, then put all the blame on China for some unknown (to me) reason.

"Dot 1"
"Was this crime committed for some reason other than money? No."
"Dot 2"
"I have confirmed by multiple dowsing sessions that the hijacking of the Malaysian plane was a deliberate attack by the US government upon the Chinese government."

Sidenotes:

Using Google Earth, the runway length at Pasni airport is approximately 8830' long.

Minimum runway length for take off of a Boeing 777 is 7000' at maximum weight, on a standard day (sea level, Altimeter:29.92 at 15 °C ). (Reference: F.A.R. Runway Length Requirements (http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/faqs/sec3charts.pdf)).

Minimum runway length for landing a Boeing 777, (Reference: 777 Airport Planning Document (http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/7772sec3.pdf)) at maximum weight on a wet runway at sea level is approximately 6000'.

The runway elevation is approximately 30', so pressure altitude is not a significant factor that could increase runway length requirements for landing or take off.

[panopticon]

Just for reference. The UAV, Bluefin-21, exceeded its maximum depth while on its first survey yesterday. An automatic safety feature led to it resurfacing. It had been on the seabed for only around 2 hours (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-15/mh370-wreckage-site-located-david-mearns/5392440) out of its expected 16 hours (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-14/malaysia-airlines-mh370-underwater-vessel-to-be-sent/5388550).


The question I ask myself is: why a Malaysian airplane with a majority of Chinese nationals ? Why not a Singapore airplane full of Vietnamese for example ? There must be a reason for that... :confused:

Well, how about this then. :)

It would have an effect on the psyche of Chinese who plan to fly. It's one thing if a plane goes down but totally different if bodies can't be found. Then tack on not even knowing where the plane crashed to be able to visit (possibly for ceremonial purposes). I don't know the ins and outs of the grief processes in contemporary Chinese culture, nor if my perception is culturally bound, however from what little I know I think that the lack of a body to bury could lead some groups to the impression that the deceased is not at rest. Other groups may view that the deceased without appropriate ceremony could move into the realms of the Hungry Ghosts. For more on this see here (http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/545193/20140327/mh370-missing-malaysia-airlines-christianity-buddhism-hinduism.htm), here (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/chinese-families-death-rituals-disrupted-missing-malaysia-flight/story?id=22919995) and on Chinese funeral rites in general see here (http://www.sfcca.sg/en/node/62).

BTW, I can't remember it being mentioned on this thread but there were 19 of China's most prominent artists on flight MH370 (source (http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/09/19-prominent-China-artists-on-board-missing-plane/)). What a loss to the world.

http://chineseart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Mehmet-Abula-painting.jpg

http://chineseart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Liu-Zhongfu.jpg

http://chineseart.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Yao-Jianfeng.jpg
Images source (http://chineseart.co.uk/tag/lou-baotang/)

-- Pan

[Atlas]

New interview with Sarah Bajc:

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Glad to see that Sarah has got this out (the possibility of a 360 degree course after a re-boot). I mentioned this to her in an off-line email exchange. It was first suggested here by Brian Anderson, if I recall correctly.

I have been wondering how the heading indicator might have been set [and it must have been preset in order to default to that particular value] at something like 164 deg [or 168deg] in order for an un-commanded track to the south to occur. It just seems like a fairly random number.
Again, I hadn’t paid much attention to the northern track option. But suddenly the light came on as a result of your comment. When the autopilot is powered up the heading indicator defaults to 360 deg. If there was some incident which caused the autopilot to be powered off, even momentarily, then on powering up again the default track would be 360deg. No manual intervention necessary. I wonder – - – ?

http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/666#comment-2089

[Atlas]

Opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, Press Conference, PKR HQ, Petaling Jaya 16/04/2014:

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[Roisin]

But I wouldn't worry about it too much now because I expect that soon they will find the wreckage in the vicinity of the search area. Especially if something did go wrong, they probably can't afford NOT to find it where they are looking. :)

They will never find this plane.

I also think that in the upcoming weeks and months, we may be inundated with false reports from unknown sources (of course!) about the whereabouts of this plane and its passengers but these will be fabricated stories put out by nefarious agencies in their attempt to nullify all alternative theories that are already circulating out there.

[Agape]

In the meantime ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27045512

Hundreds missing as S Korea ferry sinks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/10769791/Aerial-footage-of-sinking-South-Korea-ferry.html

Please send them some prayers ...


:pray:

[Zaya]

I also think that in the upcoming weeks and months, we may be inundated with false reports from unknown sources (of course!) about the whereabouts of this plane and its passengers but these will be fabricated stories put out by nefarious agencies in their attempt to nullify all alternative theories that are already circulating out there.

I agree with the assessment that there will be a lot of false information and fabricated stories upcoming. However, I am not sure if they will be in an attempt to nullify the alternative theories out there. Since this happened, I have had a very strange feeling that this missing plane is being used to distract us from something much, much bigger and more sinister. If our attention is on this plane, it is not in other places (other pieces of the puzzle). What are we not seeing? To me, that will be more important than what we ARE seeing.

Also, this is my first official post here, and I am extremely happy to meet you all and have these conversations.

[Roisin]

Zaya, that's a scary thought and thanks for mentioning that. Much food for thought.

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[Rocky_Shorz]

Passover... Easter...

The Grand Cardinal Cross...

Blood Moon Tetrad...

Attempted civil war in America to take attention away...

this release seems to be everything I was missing...


Wood's role as the security expert for the Freescale Semiconductor team aboard MH370 would have prompted the Israel team to separate him from other passengers for solitary confinement. He was taken the switching facility for an abandoned array of satellite dishes, which appear as circles on the ground, south of the NSA compound.

The Israeli commandos isolated Wood because, as the team security expert, he was the only person who knew how to organize the computer programmers and other passengers to refuse to disclose their names and job titles to their captors. By hiding or exchanging their passports, and refusing any cooperation, the passengers could prevent the hijackers from completing their mission of identifying the Freesoft staffers and taking them on a smaller military aircraft to Israel. Wood's task, in contrast, was to protect the data, so vital to American national security, whatever the sacrifice.

By March 24, Sarah Bajc's on camera interviews with CNN and BBC bureaus in Beijing, and her pleas to the US Embassy, spurred the State Department and CIA officials to launch an inquiry as to why an American security expert was being held by a foreign military. Once investigators examined the GPS data sent with the i-Phone photo, American intelligence officials realized to their dismay that MH370 was parked on the US military base in Diego Garcia.

That shocking discovery caused the American officers at Diego Garcia to order the Israelis to remove the plane and its passengers from their jurisdiction. Since a return to Kuala Lumpur would have caused an uproar, the only acceptable destination was a Royal Australian Air Force base in the Outback, north of Perth. RAAF Base Pearce at Bullsbrook is a joint-use base with the Singapore Air Force, putting it under de facto control of the Israel Air and Space Wing, which organized the MH370 hijacking. link (http://rense.com/general96/mh370rv.html)

http://rense.com/general96/atol/1.jpg

The planned move to Australia was unacceptable to IDF Headquarters in Tel Aviv. The Freescale chip designers were urgently needed to produce their breakthrough microcontrollers in Israel. The Israeli military-industrial complex was obsessed with a crash program to design and build ultra-small self-guided weapons for the coming attack on Iran's underground nuclear plants, air-defense system and command-and-control centers.

Therefore, the Israeli pilots headed toward Australia as ordered by the American military but then faked an air crash in the southern Indian Ocean. A steep nosedive with last-second pullout was enough to deceive the Australian and US governments. After a radar image was picked up in Perth, the pilot turned the plane around in the opposite direction, toward the Red Sea and Israel. This is why the sea search was not launched until more than two weeks after the plane went missing.

Once again, MH370 evaded radar detection, this time on its final journey, to the Promised Land.
http://rense.com/general96/atol/KinetisKL03.jpg


Asleep at the Wheel

The possibility that the passengers and crew were sedated via the air vents was confirmed by a police detective and a military officer at the Kuala Lumpur seminar. Calls to mobile phones of passengers aboard MH370 by relatives triggered ring tones that went unanswered, indicating the passengers had been drugged. That scenario gains credible support from the erratic steering just before MH370 made its U-turn to cross over the peninsula, indicating that the pilot was struggling with drowsiness just before the controls were taken from his hands by an electronic hijack.

The release of airborne-tranquilizers via the interior vents was patented in August 2003 by inventor Jose Paul Moretta, as part of a remote-piloting system to foil terrorist hijackers. Aircraft manufacturers may have developed a working system a decade earlier, at least since 1995, for installation on high risks air routes, for example, the Middle East...

so a plane parked in Tel Aviv could be to test air circulation on a specific style jet...



Part 2


Several blogs are using dubious photo analysis to question the credibility of Philip Wood, the American aboard MH370 whose i-Phone message showed that the plane had been hijacked, its passengers detained by "unknown military personnel" and the detention center to be on the Diego Garcia military base. The secrecy surrounding Wood's background does not mean that he and his fiance Sarah Bajc are "crisis actors". On the contrary, the facts point to his status as a tech-security agent for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).

Across Asia, the DIA has a reputation for professionalism far surpassing the CIA's armchair scholars, narcissist neophytes and diplomatic cocktail freeloaders. Wood fits the DIA profile to a tee, being computer savvy, knowledgeable about defense-related technology, careful in maintaining his cover at IBM, silent about his military record and physically tough.

The fact that the Israelis confined and likely murdered a DIA agent reveals the extreme desperation that compelled the theft of America's most advanced defense technology. The midair hijack aimed at abducting 20 computer-technology experts with Freescale Semiconductor exposes the outlaw mentality of a rogue state that holds its closest ally and benefactor in utter contempt. Simply put, Israel has emerged as America's most implacable enemy and all the more dangerous because it poses as an ally and friend.

Israel resorted to stealing the Freescale Kinetis KL02 and KL03 techology, rather than waiting to pay for licensing rights, because the micro-controller is urgently needed for the upcoming military assault on Iran. The widening divide between the State Department and Israel over Iran policy, particularly the question of a bombing campaign, put the hawkish and fanatic Netyanhu government onto a "go it alone" warpath against Tehran.

Since it is logistically impossible for the Israel Air Force to fly long-distance sorties against Iranian military sites without control over Syrian airspace, the only feasible alternative to aerial bombing is to unleash hordes of lightweight ultra-small robotic weapons that can fly and crawl into underground military facilities.

The KL series microcontroller units (MCU) are the brains for these tiny self-guided weapons, whose sensors can find pathways through air ducts, power conduits and plumbing pipes to attack electronic controls and incapacitate personnel with nerve gas or biowarfare agents. When launched from Dolphin submarines under the cover of nightfall, there is no effective defense against an army of tiny ninja robots.

The one person who stood in the way of Israel's devious plans was Philip Wood, who was not a crisis actor, as suggested in a disinformation campaign, but instead an American patriot. Without his courageous efforts to organize resistance against the hostage-takers, the Israelis would have gotten away with the perfect crime. Now, thanks to his sense of duty and personal sacrifice, the perpetrators stand naked before the world as the despicable thugs they really are. The test of American honor rides on whether the White House or Congress dares to defy Israeli treachery by acknowledging Phil Wood with a posthumous medal.

Get Off of My Cloud

Texas resident Wood was, on the surface, a quiet and unassuming computer memory expert with IBM, following his father's career path. Oddly, no details of his work on cloud computing and computer security in Dallas-Fort Worth are listed on his Linked-in page.

The omission of a local client list is due to the fact that Big Blue's largest customer in Fort Worth is USAF-Lockheed Plant 4 at Carswell military airfield. Plant 4 is where the Air Force and its aerospace contractors install, test and improve the aviation electronics for America's most advanced fighters, including the F-22, F-35 and F-18, along with the navigation systems for drones, missiles and smart bombs. Computer security against hackers and human-based industrial espionage is, therefore, all-important to protecting American defense-technology edge against its many adversaries and friendly rivals.

The Air Force upgraded its longtime partnership with IBM computer services with a 2010 master contract to transfer its production data, including weapons design and personnel matters, to a cloud computing platform with strong security. Even well-protected servers in any lab or office can be hacked with relative ease with newer software. Cloud computing, in contrast, establishes a virtual network protected by the latest firewall software even before its public release. The network is constantly monitored to determine user behavior and to track down any attempts to break into unauthorized areas.

The other advantage of the Cloud is its flexibility, moving as it can across different computer nodes. If a major node is disrupted or destroyed by a virus attack, terrorist bombing or a nuclear strike, the data network simply moves onto other computers in safer locations. Therefore, in event of a nuclear war, America's command-and-control system will survive intact to deliver a precision counterstrike with its remaining arsenal.

Called to Kuala Lumpur

After much of Plant 4, with all its components, came under cloud protection, Wood was transferred to Kuala Lumpur and Beijing following an IBM contract signing with Freescale Semicondutor.

The Austin-headquartered firm, a spinoff of Motorola, is heavily dependent on Asian programmers, with their excellent design skills, mathematical prowess, lower salaries and persistence at quality control. This is why the world's smallest MCUs were designed and perfected at the Freescale plant in Petaling Jaya, on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur.

The creation of the KL series prompted top defense-technology experts to assign watchdogs over Freescale's Asian operations. In November 2013, Joanne Maguire with Lockheed was appointed to the Freescale board of directors. Her career record shows her to be a veteran defense-tech executive as vice president of Lockheed, a member of the national Defense Technology commission, and a director of the Charles Stark Draper Laboratory, a cutting-edge weapons research center in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

At the same moment, Phil Wood was appointed as fulltime technology manager with IBM Malaysia. For the first time in his career, he was given the executive privilege of having a public life and personal freedom, which was disclosed mainly through his courtship of Beijing-based Sarah Bajc. Besides their late-life romance, the couple "covered the bases" of high-tech security, he in the defense-related sector and she in the civilian corporate economy. A wedding could only increase their professional synergy. Their pre-nuptial plan was to set up house in Kuala Lumpur. Instead, their relationship proved to be tragic, cut short by an Israeli special forces team on Diego Garcia.

Israel's Best and Cruelest

Narrowing down the possible suspects in the MH370 hijacking is not especially difficult. The operation requires a unique set of resources, skills and experience. The remote control of a larger jetliner requires a mobile satellite with GPS guidance hardware to chart the path and narrow-band radar to determine the captured aircraft's altitude. In short, guidance through three dimensions plus time, through a spatial-temporal matrix with variable factors including weather, potential mid-flight collision with other aircraft and evasion of radar detection.

In short, the operation requires a well-equipped and highly trained Air Force with the most advanced, which reduces the field to the USAF and the Israeli Air and Space Wing. The operation also involves an on-the-ground military intelligence corps, thoroughly knowledgeable about passenger and crew behavior in a hijacking situation. Among the world's 192 countries, no air force unit has as much air-hijacking expertise as the Special Surface-Air Designation Team Unit 5101, Israel's most secret special forces group, which is known by the Hebrew term for "kingfisher" or Shaldag.

In recent years, Shaldag conducted the deep infiltration into Syrian territory to target a suspected nuclear plant being built by North Korean technicians. Later, Kingfishers aboard helicopters, flying undetected amid white-hot phosphorus barrages, used short-range missiles and gunfire to suppress nearly every Hamas rocket-launch site during Operation Pillar of Fire against Gaza. All the credit was given to Israel's Iron Dome missile shield, while the real story of highly disciplined forward-deployed soldiers will never see the light of day.

The commander of Shaldag has earned a sterling reputation for accurate intelligence work, meticulous preparation, boldness in attack and personal bravery for his many successful operations. As a result, General Benjamin "Benny" Ganz was promoted to Chief of the General Staff of the Israel Defense Force in 2011. His first major decision was to combine the land, sea and air special forces into a combined spearhead called the Iran Force. War is on the horizon.

The electronic hijacking of MH370 to seize the Firewall KL technology has all the hallmarks of Ganz's tactical genius, steel determination and utter ruthlessness. One team led by one leader pulled off the airborne equivalent of an Ocean's 11 heist. On a good day in a certain light, the general even looks like George Clooney.

Outgunned and outnumbered by Israel's best and cruelest, Phil Wood had no chance in this fight, but he tripped up his Israeli captors long enough for this ongoing investigation by many veteran analysis in the US and Malaysia, networked through rense.com, to pick up the trail and pursue the Ganz gang. The American hero's body will probably never be found, when there are so many places to dig holes in the Chagos Islands.

To the Promised Land

So what happened to the Malaysian Airline passengers if they did not die on impact in the southern Indian Ocean?

The jet flew toward the Red Sea, where electronic-warfare planes with Israeli Air Force routinely jam Saudi and Egyptian radar. Nearing the southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula, the Israel pilot would then veer the jetliner into the Gulf of Aqaba and over the Israeli-controlled Negev Desert, while trying not to be spotted near the port of Eilat. The plane was therefore probably flown at night.

To guarantee a safe landing, a Boeing 777 requires a 3900 meter runway like the one at Diego Garcia. There are only three such long airfields in Israel, including the international airports of Tel Aviv Ben Gurion and Ovda outside Eilat. Landing a Malaysian jetliner at either civilian airport would be too conspicuous since Malaysia does not recognize the "Zionist entity" as a legitimate nation-state. Conversely, it would seem equally strange to ground crews for an El Al jet land at Kuala Lumpur. There is no love lost between these two small countries.

That leaves only one possible destination, which is Nevatim Air Base south of Beersheba and close to the Dimona Nuclear Weapons Reactor. The largest airfield in the Middle East, Nevatim is the base for Israel's strategic nuclear strike force and was used for tactical bombing campaigns against Gaza. Its secret facilities include hardened underground hangars large enough to hide a Boeing 777.

There inside the labyrinth below sand, gravel and concrete slabs, Israel Air Force interrogators have by now filtered out the Freescale programmers for dispatch to IDF electronics-warfare laboratories at smaller military bases. Their design concepts and production data will establish production of tiny microcontroller chips at some of the 60 semiconductor companies that are members of the Israel Advanced Technology Alliance (IATI), which is owned by the Paris-based Rothschild Group.

Lord Jacob Rothschild, head of London-based Rothschild Capital and dominant investor in the Blackstone Group, was unable to pry the Kinetis KL series, from the American executive management at Freescale's Austin headquarters. Thus the head of the Rothschild dynasty made a lateral pass to his French nephew Benjamin, whose IATI group is directly connected with the IDF electronic warfare division. The history of the Rothschild fortune follows an iron rule: Whenever you can't buy, steal.

Gen. Benny Ganz and his Shaldag force were given the complicated assignment to obtain the microcontroller by any necessary means. In cooperation with the Mossad station in Singapore and Beijing, the Israeli Air and Space Wing's special operations group devised the operational plan to seize the Freescale programmers and their hard drives aboard MH370.

The operation proceeded much like one of the intricate plots of the Ocean's 11 series, beset with unexpected crises, but in the end brilliantly successful.

The loser in the MH370 heist is not just Malaysia, but also the United States of America, which has been humiliated as well as burned by its little upstart ally. Punishing Israel won't be easy, even for a superpower.

Chandra Muzaffar, head of the Malaysia human-rights group JUST International, described the present situation as: "Barack Obama is only the second president to move away from support for Israel. The first American leader who openly opposed Israel was John Kennedy, and look what happened to him."

The theft of the tiny Kinetis microchip is a giant step toward a war on Iran. The success of the hijack operation is also a major challenge to America's superpower status. A new global empire headquartered in Israel, Wall Street and the City of London now feels confident enough to slap around the Pentagon and the White House with impunity, and kill an American defense intelligence agent inside a US military base.

If history offers any lessons, two centuries ago the Rothschild-financed and controlled Royal British Army smashed through US Marine Corps defenses and stormed into Washington DC. After eating dinner inside the presidential residence, the British troopers set fire to the White House. It is happening again... it continues... (http://rense.com/general96/mh2.html)

[Zaya]

Passover... Easter...

The Grand Cardinal Cross...

Blood Moon Tetrad...

Attempted civil war in America to take attention away...

this release seems to be everything I was missing...

Rocky, what do you think this means? I am trying to formulate my thoughts, but I am still missing a piece it seems.

[Rocky_Shorz]

this world is run by those rich enough to fulfill God's Prophecies...

if their book says the end is a world battle, they feel it is their responsibility to make it happen...

I posted some info on it over in this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70263-Benjamin-Fulford-April-8-2014&p=820984&viewfull=1#post820984)

Passover/Blood moon is when the Jews marked their doors and spirits came through killing everyone in the world except them...

we just went through the same moment, but we're all still here...

Hey Iran, you still there?

yep...

so what has changed?

that's where our crazy friends with money comes in, and why the world needs to watch closer than ever to make sure they don't succeed...

[araucaria]

Hey Iran, you still there?

yep...

And its population is slighter larger than we thought

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/16/iran-parents-halt-killer-execution

[panopticon]

Latest JACC news release states that the oil slick found in the search area was not from MH370. Also evidently there has been some reports in the media somewhere saying the length of time the underwater mapping of the search area will take 6 weeks to 2 months. The media release says that is not the case.

###

Update on search for flight MH370 (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr026.aspx)
Media Release, 17 April 2014 - pm

At the recent media conference conducted by the Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), said that the Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield had detected an oil slick on Sunday evening in her current search area.

Preliminary analysis of the sample collected by ADV Ocean Shield has confirmed that it is not aircraft engine oil or hydraulic fluid.

Additionally, Phoenix International, with the assistance of Bluefin, have assessed that there is a small but acceptable level of risk in operating the vehicle in depths in excess of 4,500 metres. This expansion of the operating parameters allows the Bluefin-21 to search the sea floor within the predicted limits of the current search area.

Some media reports today state that it would take Bluefin-21 anywhere from six weeks to two months to scan the entire underwater search area. This is incorrect.

Since the US Navy provided comment some days ago, the underwater search has been significantly narrowed through detailed acoustic analysis conducted on the four signal detections made by the Towed Pinger Locator on ADV Ocean Shield.

This analysis has allowed the definition of a reduced and more focused underwater search area. This represents the best lead we have in relation to missing flight MH370 and where the current underwater search efforts are being pursued to their completion so we can either confirm or discount the area as the final resting place of MH370.

Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr026.aspx)

[panopticon]

this world is run by those rich enough to fulfill God's Prophecies...

if their book says the end is a world battle, they feel it is their responsibility to make it happen...


Yeah, do a search for the "Armageddon Lobby" (good starting paper here (http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/holy_land_studies/v005/5.1haija.html)). Scary people in that mob.

-- Pan

Just as an add-on here are one of these lobbyist groups (scariest thing for me isn't just that they have such influence, it's that some of them look like ordinary people...)

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[Hervé]

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Submarine sent down for second trip after first mission fails to find trace of missing plane (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-16/submarine-fails-to-find-trace-of-mh370/5394084)

Updated Thu 17 Apr 2014, 12:40am AEST

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5378146-3x2-340x227.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-16/bluefin-21/5394224)
Photo: The Bluefin-21 failed to find any object of interest in its first mission. (Bluefin Robotics) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-16/bluefin-21/5394224)


Map: Perth 6000 (http://maps.google.com/?q=-31.9234,115.8834%28Perth%206000%29&z=5)

The Bluefin-21 submarine has been deployed on its second mission in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, after data from its first dive failed to find any trace of the plane.

What is the Bluefin-21?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/linkableblob/5374352/data/the-bluefin-21-moves-through-the-ocean-data.jpg



An autonomous underwater vehicle (AUV) designed for deep-sea surveying.
It has a "swappable payload". It will first use sonar in the search and will be refitted with cameras if something is detected.
It's 5m long and weighs 750kg. Has an endurance of 25 hours underwater at a speed of 3 knots, with a top speed of 4 knots.
It has a depth rating of 4,500m, meaning it will be at its limit in the Indian Ocean search zone.
Bluefin Robotics says its AUV can also be used for archaeology, oceanography, mine countermeasures, and unexploded ordnance.


The autonomous underwater vehicle was sent on its second underwater journey on Tuesday night, leaving from the Australian vessel Ocean Shield.

The Joint Agency Coordination Centre said data from Bluefin-21's first mission had not captured any debris or other objects of interest.

The unmanned submarine's first mission had to be cut short after it exceeded its depth limit of 4,500 metres and an inbuilt safety feature brought it back to the surface.

Authorities say it takes two hours for Bluefin-21 to reach the ocean floor.
Wednesday's search for the missing plane will include 11 military aircraft, three civil planes and 11 ships.

Poor weather is expected to bring showers and sea swells of up to two metres to the area.

The flight vanished off radar screens on March 8 while en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board, including six Australians.

The submarine was launched after authorities gave up hope of relocating underwater signals from MH370's flight recorders.

On Monday, search coordinator Retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston said no acoustic trace of the plane's black box had been detected for six days.

"We haven't had a single detection in six days ... so I guess it's time to go underwater," he said at the time.

The black box, which refers to two orange boxes that record flight data and cockpit chatter, may provide answers about what happened to the plane.

Wreck hunter confident plane will be found
One of the world's foremost wreck hunters believes searchers have found the crash site of the missing jet, and recovering the black boxes is inevitable.

Video: Finding the wreckage of MH370 is inevitable according to 'wreck hunter' David Mearns (7.30) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-15/search-closes-in-on-malaysia-airlines-crash-site/5392778)

"I think essentially they have found the wreckage site," the director of the UK-based Bluewater Recoveries, David Mearns, told 7.30.

"While the Government hasn't announced that yet, if somebody asked me: 'Technically, do they have enough information to say that?' my answer is unequivocally 'Yes'."

Mr Mearns solved one of Australia's greatest maritime mysteries when he found the wreck of HMAS Sydney (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32047-Of-Myths-Legends-Memories-Perceptions-Statistical-Truth&p=326816&viewfull=1#post326816) deep in the Indian Ocean.

He was awarded an honorary Order of Australia for his work.

He said his confidence about the MH370 work was based on the strength of the sonar "pings" emitted from the plane's black box recorders.

"You just don't hear these signals randomly in the ocean. These are not fleeting sounds, they have got four very, very good detections, with the right spectrum of noise coming from them. It can't be from anything else," he said.

Despite his confidence, Mr Mearns says he would be surprised if the search turned up anything quickly.

He expected it would take weeks, if not months, to recover the black boxes from the Boeing 777.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5386256-3x2-940x627.jpg


Gallery: The search for MH370 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-08/malaysia-airlines-gallery/5308074)

[Hervé]

It's about the media, not the plane (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-24/mcdonell-media-frenzy-descends-on-mh370-mystery/5340242)

By ABC's Stephen McDonell (http://www.abc.net.au/news/thedrum/stephen-mcdonell/166860)
Updated Mon 24 Mar 2014, 2:03pm AEDT

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5324286-3x2-340x227.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-24/messages-of-support-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight/5340370)

Photo: The missing flight MH370 has revealed the shortcomings of world mass media. (Reuters: Damir Sagolj ) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-24/messages-of-support-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight/5340370)


With no new information but a 24-hour news cycle to fill, reporters have made themselves the star of the story for the missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet, writes Stephen McDonell.

The drama around the missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet has attracted enormous attention. There has been almost around-the-clock coverage of the search though often with very little solid information to report on.

That, however, has not stopped the world's media outlets going into considerable detail about all manner of theories as to the circumstances of the disappearance and potential reasons for it. And, when in doubt, make the reporter the story.

"Never forget that we are the story," Aaron Altman sarcastically quipped to Tom Grunick in Broadcast News. His nemesis had teared up in a cut-away of the reporter listening sensitively to a date rape victim. We learn later, of course, that this was acting.

The movie captured the moment in the 1980s when the big American TV Networks really dumbed down the news and made personalities out of their presenters.
Fast forward to now and the transformation has spread around the planet.

The hunt for the missing passenger jet has understandably generated massive international interest.

The problem has been that most days there has been nothing new to report, with the exception of a couple of major shifts like when it emerged that the aircraft had gone off on a completely different direction or when Australia announced a strong lead from satellite images.

This has been especially challenging for the likes of CNN, keen to broadcast 24 hours a day on a story with no news.

This theory ... that theory ... this expert ... that expert ...

Listen to Stephen McDonell's report
Audio: MH370 (Correspondents Report) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-22/the-curious-case-of-the-media-and-mh370/5339282)

The ABC's China correspondent details how the world's media is covering the missing plane on Correspondents Report.

At one point I heard them promoting an item coming up looking at other great mysteries "like what happened to Marilyn Monroe and…"

Are you serious: Marilyn Monroe? World's great mysteries? Is there nothing else happening? Never forget that we are the story.

CNN studio presenter Bill Weir held up a photo of a child who was on board the missing flight. He referred to the child's age in the present tense because, Bill told us, he's not giving up hope that the child is still alive.

Gee thanks, Bill, we the viewers are now enriched with the knowledge that you're not giving up hope.

Richard Quest was interviewing the father of a passenger who was on board the Air France flight that crashed into the ocean prompting a search for the black box that took two years.

In asking how the families coped at the time, Richard added that he was covering this story back in 2009. He acknowledged that he, of course, was one step removed from the families in all this.

What? Are you implying that it's even remotely relevant how hard it was for you to cope with this in the studio from where you reported on this missing flight?

Yet the really cringe-worthy aspect to the coverage of this crisis has been the grandstanding of television networks here at the MH370 media centre.

Although the press conferences are going out live across the world in who knows how many countries on who knows how many networks, here is how Sky News starts its questions in these briefings.

"You're live on Sky News London and our thoughts are very much with your countrymen at very difficult time."

The belief is clearly that the self-promotion of "you're live on Sky News London" is somehow less cold and self-serving if the thoughts of Sky News are with the transport minister's countrymen.

Britain's ITV has taken it upon themselves to demand an apology for the families. At the press conference immediately after Chinese relatives of the missing burst into the media centre to protest, they proudly re-asked the same question of the transport minister:

"We asked you on Monday if you thought the time was now to apologise to the families. After what we witnessed this afternoon, is the time not really now?"
Hishammuddin Hussein responded: "The time is still to look for the aircraft."

These are questions designed for TV reporters to be seen to be asking the tough questions for networks who think their audiences are stupid at a time when there is no news.

Here's France 24 going straight after the transport minister: "What consequences can these mistakes have on your administration? Can you confirm to us that you are Prime Minister Najib's cousin? Are you protected by him?"

Malaysian reporters thought this was pretty hilarious given that this family relationship is hardly a secret here.

The transport minister seemed to think it was reasonably funny too.

Over the laugher in the room he looked perplexed and asked: "Where are you from?"
France 24: "France".

Transport minister: "Yes, I can confirm here that Najib is my cousin. I don't know what I am supposed to be protected from."

The mock outrage, the theories, the false empathy - they can't lose.

The hard thing for all of us though has been to admit at various times that there has been simply nothing new to say.

Yet the nature of these mass international stories has changed forever. Journalists will file a piece based on thin air.

And some of them, with nothing to write about, will even descend into the navel-gazing exercise of analysing how other media outlets are reporting.

Stephen McDonell is the ABC's China correspondent and has been covering the investigation from the MH370 media centre in Kuala Lumpur. View his full profile here (http://www.abc.net.au/news/thedrum/stephen-mcdonell/166860).

[Roisin]

What happened with that S. Korean ferry is another good point wrt the media. Very soon after it happened, news stories were coming out that most had been rescued but then when I woke up the next morning and saw an update on that story, most, in fact, had NOT been rescued and I found that very shocking!

But it was just another glitch put out by the media where they had apparently mis-interpreted crucial information or mis-translated information on what was happening there.

[panopticon]

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Submarine completes first full scan of seabed (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-17/malaysia-airlines-mh370-sub-completes-first-full-scan-of-seabed/5398734)
ABC/Reuters, 17th April 2014.

A deep-sea drone has completed its much-anticipated first full scan of the seabed in the remote Indian Ocean in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Footage from a US Navy deep-sea drone is fast becoming the most important tool for the multinational team searching for the plane, which disappeared from radar screens on March 8 with 239 people on board, six of them Australians.

A sample taken from an oil slick in the same area, some 2,000 kilometres west of Perth, was analysed and found not to be aircraft engine oil or hydraulic fluid.

Authorities believe this is the most likely area where the jet hit the ocean after disappearing.

A series of "pings" recorded this month have led searchers to the remote stretch of ocean in the belief that the signals may have come from the plane's flight recorders.

However, with no pings received in more than a week and the black box's battery now 10 days past its approximate expiry date, authorities are relying on the drone.

The Bluefin-21 autonomous underwater vehicle (AUV) completed its first full 16-hour deployment at a depth of 4.5 kilometres late on Wednesday after a series of technical problems cut short the first two attempts.

"Bluefin-21 has searched approximately 90 square kilometres to date and the data from its latest mission is being analysed," the Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) said in a statement.

The agency also said Bluefin-21 would go deeper as there was "a small but acceptable level of risk in operating the vehicle in depths in excess of 4.5 kilometres".

Search focus shifts to ocean floor

On Monday, the search coordinator, retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said the air and surface search for debris would likely end in three days as the operation shifted its focus to the largely unmapped area of ocean floor.

However, authorities said on Thursday up to 10 military aircraft, two civil aircraft and 11 ships would still search an area totalling about 40,000 square kilometres.

That would suggest searchers, under pressure from the families of those on board the plane, still hold some hope of finding floating wreckage.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott was quoted by the Wall Street Journal on Wednesday as saying that "we believe that (underwater) search will be completed within a week or so. If we don't find wreckage, we stop, we regroup, we reconsider".

Malaysia's defence minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, vowed the search would continue even if there was a pause to regroup and reconsider the best area to scour.

"The search will always continue. It's just a matter of approach," he told a news conference in Kuala Lumpur.

He said Mr Abbott remained in close contact with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak and the two had spoken on Thursday to discuss the search.

"They've been looking for 40 days and haven't found anything floating yet," Geoffrey Dell, Associate Professor of Accident Investigation and Forensics at Central Queensland University, said.

"You'd have to start saying there's either nothing to find or let's move elsewhere," he said.

As well as the Bluefin-21, authorities are relying on daily modelling of ocean currents provided by the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation's (CSIRO) Marine and Atmospheric Research unit, which may give clues about how any surface debris may have dispersed.

"People are spending a lot of their time at the moment looking at the daily models to provide updates," Nick Hardman-Mountford, the CSIRO's principal marine scientist said.

"The winds, ocean currents, the time and cyclones passing through, they can all have an influence on what the ocean currents are doing and the model has to be able to capture all of this," Mr Hardman-Mountford said.

Air Chief Marshal Houston has hinted that the search, although not over, may already rank as the most expensive in aviation history, although authorities are yet to put even an approximate price tag on it.

Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-17/malaysia-airlines-mh370-sub-completes-first-full-scan-of-seabed/5398734)

[ParakeetMGP]

My Intuition is if they landed the plane somewhere, they don't need the Black Boxes in the plane. They (?) took the Black Boxes off the plane and planted them into the Indian Ocean only for capturing the Pinging of them as a Decoy, since this last week and to get everyone else thinking its lost in the ocean. But really it isn't. And that it is going to be assumed its lost in the ocean by not really having the Searchers really being able to be finding this plane there also. While this whole scheme never is discovered for what it was. The longer this mystery goes, the more mysterious its becoming. And more frustrating right now it is to get answers. I am not accepting the main stream media or their cover up news on this. I find much of our main stream media is miss leading everyone. They can't get to the Justice and Truth going on in our world, but I find they are the world's placebo about events that mean nothing anymore really.

[syrwong]

My Intuition is if they landed the plane somewhere, they don't need the Black Boxes in the plane. They (?) took the Black Boxes off the plane and planted them into the Indian Ocean only for capturing the Pinging of them as a Decoy, since this last week and to get everyone else thinking its lost in the ocean. But really it isn't. And that it is going to be assumed its lost in the ocean by not really having the Searchers really being able to be finding this plane there also. While this whole scheme never is discovered for what it was. The longer this mystery goes, the more mysterious its becoming. And more frustrating right now it is to get answers. I am not accepting the main stream media or their cover up news on this. I find much of our main stream media is miss leading everyone. They can't get to the Justice and Truth going on in our world, but I find they are the world's placebo about events that mean nothing anymore really.

My intuition reaction is the same, they had planted a signal device there. How convenient it is to settle the mystery this way: a dying blackbox at the bottom of kilometers deep ocean. I don't have knowledge about the oceans, but I can guess that must be one of the deepest parts of oceans on Earth. Is this true?

[Gardener]

Maybe only a ping 'device' with the right frequency, in an attempt to solve this and bring some sort of public
completion and closure.
I just wish that someone with the right knowledge and expertise would come forward and pick holes in the inmarsat data/decision 'the plane flew south' its just flakey at best. If it truly is a ping decoy then by default they know where the plane is. Maybe even deep in negotiations as we speak.

For sure the answer is in this thread.



My Intuition is if they landed the plane somewhere, they don't need the Black Boxes in the plane. They (?) took the Black Boxes off the plane and planted them into the Indian Ocean only for capturing the Pinging of them as a Decoy, since this last week and to get everyone else thinking its lost in the ocean. But really it isn't. And that it is going to be assumed its lost in the ocean by not really having the Searchers really being able to be finding this plane there also. While this whole scheme never is discovered for what it was. The longer this mystery goes, the more mysterious its becoming. And more frustrating right now it is to get answers. I am not accepting the main stream media or their cover up news on this. I find much of our main stream media is miss leading everyone. They can't get to the Justice and Truth going on in our world, but I find they are the world's placebo about events that mean nothing anymore really.

My intuition reaction is the same, they had planted a signal device there. How convenient it is to settle the mystery this way: a dying blackbox at the bottom of kilometers deep ocean. I don't have knowledge about the oceans, but I can guess that must be one of the deepest parts of oceans on Earth. Is this true?

[Creative Lorraine]

This video is very interesting. I just discovered him tonight 13signsastrology
You might be surprised what his take on the missing plane is . I don't follow news
so I can't verify the things he mentions . I do know about crisis's actors ,know about
the cigar ship over Russia he speaks of warren buffet anyways I found it interesting Let me know what you think ...

MISSING MALAYSIA FLIGHT 370 OR PREP FOR FULL DISCLOSURE???
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[Cidersomerset]

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17 April 2014 Last updated at 13:35

Malaysia missing plane: Mini-sub completes third search mission

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Chris Minor and Curt Newport button up the Autonomous Underwater Vehicle (AUV)
Bluefin-21 before it is launched off Australian Defence Vessel Ocean Shield in the
search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370 on 14 April 2014 The Bluefin-21
searches the sea floor by creating a sonar map A mini-submarine searching for the
missing Malaysian plane has completed a full mission at its third attempt.

Two previous missions to scour the floor of the Indian Ocean for wreckage were
cut short by technical problems. The data from the sub's latest mission is being
analysed. Previous forays have not shown anything significant. It is searching
in the area acoustic signals thought to be from the missing plane's "black box"
flight recorders were heard.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March as it flew from Kuala Lumpur
to Beijing. It was carrying 239 people.Using satellite data, officials have concluded
that it ended its journey in seas west of the Australian city of Perth. They do not know
why the plane flew so far off course and finding the plane's flight recorders is seen as
key to understanding what happened.

Read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27048242

[panopticon]

Yep, still nothing after the data from the first 4 missions has been analysed (the first 2 were shortened) and Bluefin-21 has gone out on #5 (source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr027.aspx)).

According to statements attributed to our illustrious Prime Munster (Mr Tony Abbott) the underwater search in that area will probably be completed by this time next week...

As he said: "If we don't find wreckage, we stop, we regroup, we reconsider".

Sounds like a decent Saturday night... :drum:

-- Pan

[Rocky_Shorz]

What happened with that S. Korean ferry is another good point wrt the media. Very soon after it happened, news stories were coming out that most had been rescued but then when I woke up the next morning and saw an update on that story, most, in fact, had NOT been rescued and I found that very shocking!

But it was just another glitch put out by the media where they had apparently mis-interpreted crucial information or mis-translated information on what was happening there.

Arrest warrant issued for captain in South Korean ferry accident


A ferry from Incheon to Jeju, which was carrying 459 people including 325 high school students on a class trip, listed (leaned to one side) and then sunk within hours. 179 people have been rescued, some with injuries. The cause of the disaster is still under investigation.
2
South Korean prosecutors on April 18 filed arrest warrants for the ship's captain, Lee Jun-seok (pictured), and two other crew members. They face criminal charges for deserting the ship and its passengers after the ferry capsized. By April 18, around 270 people remained missing. Copyright 2014 Reuters

South Korean prosecutors on April 18 filed arrest warrants for the ship's captain, Lee Jun-seok (pictured), and two other crew members. They face criminal charges for deserting the ship and its passengers after the ferry capsized. By April 18, around 270 people remained missing... link (https://cir.ca/news/south-korean-ferry-disaster)


any word on who was on board that might have been a target?

Who could be sending a threat to South Korea? Any connections to freescale manufacturing?

[Debra]

Yep, still nothing after the data from the first 4 missions has been analysed (the first 2 were shortened) and Bluefin-21 has gone out on #5 (source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr027.aspx)).

According to statements attributed to our illustrious Prime Munster (Mr Tony Abbott) the underwater search in that area will probably be completed by this time next week...

As he said: "If we don't find wreckage, we stop, we regroup, we reconsider".

Sounds like a decent Saturday night... :drum:

-- Pan

Something is bugging me .
Australia's flagship airline Qantas has been for many months on the chopping block and the incumbent prime minister - Abbot - refuses to put money in to save the carrier and Thousands of jobs are at stake.

Why then, is millions being spent by the Australian govt on one plane that belongs to another airline and country?

Go figure ..

[panopticon]

Something is bugging me .
Australia's flagship airline Qantas has been for many months on the chopping block and the incumbent prime minister - Abbot - refuses to put money in to save the carrier and Thousands of jobs are at stake.

Why then, is millions being spent by the Australian govt on one plane that belongs to another airline and country?

Go figure ..

No huge surprise here.

Abbott has only been in power for just over 6 months. He's trying to look important overseas and Prime Ministerial at home. Also, he and his cronies have been screaming that Australia is in a "budget emergency" so they can do what Australian conservatives do best... Sell off public assets and reduce public spending. All the conservative State governments have been selling and closing down and selling. The more they spend on the search the more they don't have to make up for the budget.

There's heaps more reasons why Abbott and co don't mind spending the money. Did I mention free trade agreements with China, Japan and Korea? There's talk of beef being covered in the free trade agreement with Japan sometime in 2030 I think, or was it 2040, I can't remember. Why would a neo-conservative/neo-liberal government spend public money on Qantas? There's nothing in it for them. Instead they want to remove foreign ownership restrictions covered in the Qantas specific legislation. Oh what a tangled web they weave.

Australians have been getting told that the coming budget will be a difficult one, we need to tighten our belts, after all "we're a nation of lifters, not leaners" Mr Abbott tells us. Meanwhile, back in reality, the Australian dollar is still high against the green back and that drives down profits for exporters so all our primary industries are suffering, not to mention what little is left of the Australian manufacturing industry.

And then there's all the natural disaster that Australia suffers every year. Will this year be a el nino or la nina year? Will there be droughts & fires or floods on the East coast?

I reckon you're feeling a bit sorry you asked the question now Zebra. ;)

-- Pan

[meat suit]

Yep, still nothing after the data from the first 4 missions has been analysed (the first 2 were shortened) and Bluefin-21 has gone out on #5 (source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr027.aspx)).

According to statements attributed to our illustrious Prime Munster (Mr Tony Abbott) the underwater search in that area will probably be completed by this time next week...

As he said: "If we don't find wreckage, we stop, we regroup, we reconsider".

Sounds like a decent Saturday night... :drum:

-- Pan

Something is bugging me .
Australia's flagship airline Qantas has been for many months on the chopping block and the incumbent prime minister - Abbot - refuses to put money in to save the carrier and Thousands of jobs are at stake.

Why then, is millions being spent by the Australian govt on one plane that belongs to another airline and country?

Go figure ..

because ... maybe they have invented the whole story coz they are combing the oceans for something completely different....

[Roisin]

What happened with that S. Korean ferry is another good point wrt the media. Very soon after it happened, news stories were coming out that most had been rescued but then when I woke up the next morning and saw an update on that story, most, in fact, had NOT been rescued and I found that very shocking!

But it was just another glitch put out by the media where they had apparently mis-interpreted crucial information or mis-translated information on what was happening there.

Arrest warrant issued for captain in South Korean ferry accident


A ferry from Incheon to Jeju, which was carrying 459 people including 325 high school students on a class trip, listed (leaned to one side) and then sunk within hours. 179 people have been rescued, some with injuries. The cause of the disaster is still under investigation.
2
South Korean prosecutors on April 18 filed arrest warrants for the ship's captain, Lee Jun-seok (pictured), and two other crew members. They face criminal charges for deserting the ship and its passengers after the ferry capsized. By April 18, around 270 people remained missing. Copyright 2014 Reuters

South Korean prosecutors on April 18 filed arrest warrants for the ship's captain, Lee Jun-seok (pictured), and two other crew members. They face criminal charges for deserting the ship and its passengers after the ferry capsized. By April 18, around 270 people remained missing... link (https://cir.ca/news/south-korean-ferry-disaster)


any word on who was on board that might have been a target?

Who could be sending a threat to South Korea? Any connections to freescale manufacturing?



I thought the sinking of that ferry has already been attributed to pilot error? Those cars and trucks in the carport were probably not secured enough and once the pilot made that sharp turn, those vehicles slid along with that turn causing the ferry to list over to one side.

[Hervé]

[...]

because ... maybe they have invented the whole story coz they are combing the oceans for something completely different....

"Somebody" lost some nukes... AGAIN!?!

[Debra]

Something is bugging me .
Australia's flagship airline Qantas has been for many months on the chopping block and the incumbent prime minister - Abbot - refuses to put money in to save the carrier and Thousands of jobs are at stake.

Why then, is millions being spent by the Australian govt on one plane that belongs to another airline and country?

Go figure ..

No huge surprise here.

Abbott has only been in power for just over 6 months. He's trying to look important overseas and Prime Ministerial at home. Also, he and his cronies have been screaming that Australia is in a "budget emergency" so they can do what Australian conservatives do best... Sell off public assets and reduce public spending. All the conservative State governments have been selling and closing down and selling. The more they spend on the search the more they don't have to make up for the budget.

There's heaps more reasons why Abbott and co don't mind spending the money. Did I mention free trade agreements with China, Japan and Korea? There's talk of beef being covered in the free trade agreement with Japan sometime in 2030 I think, or was it 2040, I can't remember. Why would a neo-conservative/neo-liberal government spend public money on Qantas? There's nothing in it for them. Instead they want to remove foreign ownership restrictions covered in the Qantas specific legislation. Oh what a tangled web they weave.

Australians have been getting told that the coming budget will be a difficult one, we need to tighten our belts, after all "we're a nation of lifters, not leaners" Mr Abbott tells us. Meanwhile, back in reality, the Australian dollar is still high against the green back and that drives down profits for exporters so all our primary industries are suffering, not to mention what little is left of the Australian manufacturing industry.

And then there's all the natural disaster that Australia suffers every year. Will this year be a el nino or la nina year? Will there be droughts & fires or floods on the East coast?

I reckon you're feeling a bit sorry you asked the question now Zebra. ;)

-- Pan

Thanks Pan:)
But this is where I am going with this.
My first awareness that a plane had gone missing was by watching an interview with a Perth woman on a morning TV show, whose husband was on the flight.
Now I went immediately into thin slicing mode and couldn't help but think this was a false flag of sorts. Yes, I am compromised because of Sandy Hook etc., however it's what went through my mind and I was also alerted by the fact that such an interview with a family member occurred so quickly.
Fast forward to Australia becoming involved in the search. I think you are correct in that Abbot is vying for attention but I also think that he is in this position because he is already compromised.
My question is, by whom?
I have given up any belief that he actually runs the country. He might manage it but he is run .. He's just a puppet.
So, who handles Australia?
Information via the blog from Rense.com that Rocky Shorz posted on the last page, together with that other blogger who joins some fascinating dots (who Ron M highlighted as well) got me thinking about this and specifically these tie in points:
- the Australian airbase near Perth is a training facility that is shared by the Singapore airforce.
- the Rense.com article noted that Singapore has got the back of Israel
- and there is now a break down between Israel and the US, over this new technology.
- Australia also hosts the American owned Pine Gap facility and other installations on Australian soil
- a media hub to focus on the missing plane seemed to be set up in Perth from the beginning, even though full Australian involvement did not occur until it was announced that pings were coming from the Indian Ocean.

So, who is Australia working for? The power behind Israel or the one holding up the US?
I'm curious always by the roles of bit players ..

[Debra]

Yep, still nothing after the data from the first 4 missions has been analysed (the first 2 were shortened) and Bluefin-21 has gone out on #5 (source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr027.aspx)).

According to statements attributed to our illustrious Prime Munster (Mr Tony Abbott) the underwater search in that area will probably be completed by this time next week...

As he said: "If we don't find wreckage, we stop, we regroup, we reconsider".

Sounds like a decent Saturday night... :drum:

-- Pan

Something is bugging me .
Australia's flagship airline Qantas has been for many months on the chopping block and the incumbent prime minister - Abbot - refuses to put money in to save the carrier and Thousands of jobs are at stake.

Why then, is millions being spent by the Australian govt on one plane that belongs to another airline and country?

Go figure ..

because ... maybe they have invented the whole story coz they are combing the oceans for something completely different....

meat suit.
You could be right but I have to ask if this is the case, who's paying?
Yes and who are they? City of London ?
Side note: a royal tour is taking place down under as we write. No important reason, but it sure gives The Prime Minister of Australia some distraction support, perhaps

[Atlas]

Data Doesn’t Lie? (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/04/mh370_inmarsat_the_fuzzy_math_behind_the_search_for_the_missing_airliner.html) by Jeff Wise, April 18 2014:

[...] Given the discrepancies and inaccuracies, it has proven impossible for independent observers to validate Inmarsat’s assertion that it can rule out a northern route for the airplane. “It’s really impossible to reproduce what the Inmarsat folks claim,” says Hans Kruse, a professor of telecommunications systems at Ohio University.

This is not to say that Inmarsat’s conclusions are necessarily incorrect. (In the past I have made the case that the northern route might be possible, but I’m not trying to beat that drum here.) Its engineers are widely regarded as top-drawer, paragons of meticulousness in an industry that is obsessive about attention to detail. But their work has been presented to the public by authorities whose inconsistency and lack of transparency have time and again undermined public confidence. It’s worrying that the report appears to have been composed in such a way as to make it impossible for anyone to independently assess its validity—especially given that its ostensible purpose was to explain to the world Inmarsat’s momentous conclusions. What frustrated, grieving family members need from the authorities is clarity and trustworthiness, not a smokescreen.

Inmarsat has not replied to my request for a clarification of their methods. This week, the Wall Street Journal reported that in recent days experts had “recalibrated data” in part by using “arcane new calculations reflecting changes in the operating temperatures of an Inmarsat satellite as well as the communications equipment aboard the Boeing when the two systems exchanged so-called digital handshakes.” But again, not enough information has been provided for the public to assess the validity of these methods.

It would be nice if Inmarsat would throw open its spreadsheets and help resolve the issue right now, but that could be too much to expect. Inmarsat may be bound by confidentiality agreements with its customers, not to mention U.S. laws that restrict the release of information about sensitive technologies. [...]

If the effort to find the plane using an underwater robot comes up empty, then there should be a long and sustained call for the Malaysian authorities to reveal their data and explain exactly how they came to their conclusions. Because at that point, it will be all we’ve got.

[Atlas]

MH370 PRESS BRIEFING BY HISHAMMUDDIN HUSSEIN - 19 April 2014

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Introductory statement

I would like to begin this statement with a message.

On behalf of the Malaysian government and specifically the MH370 SAR team, we would like to extend our deepest sympathies and condolences to those on board the tragic incident involving the South Korea ferry that departed from Incheon planned for Jeju. We empathise and can imagine how difficult it can be for the families and the SAR team coping with the situation. All our thoughts and prayers are with them.

I will now continue with MH370.

We have now entered day 43 of the search operation for MH370. It has been six weeks since we started the operation in which we have continously refined the search area in the quest to locate the missing aircraft. We have pursued every possible lead presented to us at this stage and with every passing day, the search has become more difficult.

Search updates

On Thursday, I spoke with Angus Houston and he has briefed me on the images captured from the Bluefin – 21 AUV. I can confirm that the Bluefin - 21 has captured clear and sharp images of the seabed while conducting its search mission in the underwater search area. However, from all 6 missions conducted, no contacts of interest have been found to date. Bluefin-21 AUV's seventh mission has commenced this morning.

From the images, Angus has also informed me that the terrain of the seabed is undulating and that the Bluefin – 21 is focusing on the immediate search area based on the pings that have been detected. Some media reports have stated that it would take the Bluefin-21 anywhere from six weeks to two months to scan the entire underwater search area. This is incorrect. The immediate search area that the Bluefin – 21 is now scouring should be completed within the next week.

As Prime Minister Abbott stated earlier this week, and I quote –

“We will regroup and reconsider the SAR operations, if there are no new updates in the given time” – end quote.

I have to stress that this is not to stop operations but to also consider other approaches which may include widening the scope of the search and utilising other assets that could be relevant in the search operation.

The search will always continue. It is just a matter of approach. All efforts will be intensified for the next few days with regards to the underwater search.

I would also like to take this opportunity, on behalf of the Malaysian government, to again thank Australia on narrowing the search area and doing all they can in the search for MH370.

Updates on Ministerial Committees

As I announced a few weeks ago, three ministerial committees have been established. They have been working tirelessly and I will now update you on their progress.

The next of kin committee, led by Hamzah Zainuddin, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, is working closely with various Governments especially the countries whose nationals were on board MH370. From the meetings with the respective embassies and high commissions, various issues that needed urgent attention were addressed.

Hamzah has also discussed with his counterparts in Beijing and both sides have exchanged views and discussed ways and means to deal with the situation with regards to the families of those on board.

The technical committee, led by Aziz Kaprawi, Deputy Minister of Transport, has developed and drafted the proposed structure and Terms of Reference of the Aircraft Accident Investigation Team For MH 370 in accordance with the Malaysian Civil Aviation Regulations 1996 (MCAR 1996) and Annex 13 - Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation, Chicago Convention.

The structure was developed after consulting the experts from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch, United Kingdom (AAIB), National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), United States, Australian Transportation Safety Board (ATSB) and Air Accident Investigation Department, China. The proposed team would comprise of local and international experts.

We have also spoken with the ASEAN secretariat on the possibility of appointing some of our counterparts to come onboard. This is in accordance with the ASEAN Memorandum of Understanding on Cooperation Relating to Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation that was signed in 2008.

The Asset Deployment committee has identified private companies that have the capabilities for deep water salvage and recovery work, and other national assets that can be deployed to support this operation. Local companies such as DEFTECH and Boustead have been tasked to discuss with their international collaborative partners such as SAAB, DCNS (Direction des Constructions Navales) and others to identify the relevant assets and instruments required for the search operation.

I have also been in consultations with Jean Paul Troadec given his experience in handling Air France Flight 447 in deploying private commercial assets to assist in their search operation.

Concluding remarks

As we move on to the next phase of the search, I am humbled that more friends from other nations have expressed their willingness to assist and support our efforts to locate MH370.

Thank you.

[panopticon]

Couple of reports from Aunty. No new news. The politicians are working out whose responsible for any wreckage they haven't found yet and the underwater sea mapping exercise is continuing without turning up any fresh evidence... Panic thee not however, all parties have agreed to continue mapping until there's a reason not to...

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Australia, Malaysia work on deal over recovery of missing plane (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-18/australia-malaysia-work-on-deal-over-mh370-recovery/5399466)
19th April, 2014

Malaysia and Australia will sign a deal that specifies who will handle any wreckage from missing flight MH370 that may be recovered, including the crucial black box flight data recorders, according to Malaysian media reports. Read more (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-18/australia-malaysia-work-on-deal-over-mh370-recovery/5399466)

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Underwater search at 'very critical juncture', could be completed this week (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-19/mh370-search-at-critical-juncture-as-drone-mission-continues/5400094)
20th April, 2014

The current underwater search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, focused on a tight 10-kilometre circle of the sea floor, could be completed within a week, Australian search officials say. Read more (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-19/mh370-search-at-critical-juncture-as-drone-mission-continues/5400094)

[panopticon]

Data Doesn’t Lie? (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/04/mh370_inmarsat_the_fuzzy_math_behind_the_search_for_the_missing_airliner.html) by Jeff Wise, April 18 2014:

[...] Given the discrepancies and inaccuracies, it has proven impossible for independent observers to validate Inmarsat’s assertion that it can rule out a northern route for the airplane. “It’s really impossible to reproduce what the Inmarsat folks claim,” says Hans Kruse, a professor of telecommunications systems at Ohio University.

This is not to say that Inmarsat’s conclusions are necessarily incorrect. (In the past I have made the case that the northern route might be possible, but I’m not trying to beat that drum here.) Its engineers are widely regarded as top-drawer, paragons of meticulousness in an industry that is obsessive about attention to detail. But their work has been presented to the public by authorities whose inconsistency and lack of transparency have time and again undermined public confidence. It’s worrying that the report appears to have been composed in such a way as to make it impossible for anyone to independently assess its validity—especially given that its ostensible purpose was to explain to the world Inmarsat’s momentous conclusions. What frustrated, grieving family members need from the authorities is clarity and trustworthiness, not a smokescreen.

Inmarsat has not replied to my request for a clarification of their methods. This week, the Wall Street Journal reported that in recent days experts had “recalibrated data” in part by using “arcane new calculations reflecting changes in the operating temperatures of an Inmarsat satellite as well as the communications equipment aboard the Boeing when the two systems exchanged so-called digital handshakes.” But again, not enough information has been provided for the public to assess the validity of these methods.

It would be nice if Inmarsat would throw open its spreadsheets and help resolve the issue right now, but that could be too much to expect. Inmarsat may be bound by confidentiality agreements with its customers, not to mention U.S. laws that restrict the release of information about sensitive technologies. [...]

If the effort to find the plane using an underwater robot comes up empty, then there should be a long and sustained call for the Malaysian authorities to reveal their data and explain exactly how they came to their conclusions. Because at that point, it will be all we’ve got.

Thanks for posting the interesting article buares.

-- Pan

[wnlight]

Ron,

Thank you for your thorough analysis. My question:
"Was this crime committed for some reason other than money? No."
was unfortunately poorly constructed for dowsing. I have been dowsing for four years for things other than water, and find that properly formulated questions are my biggest challenge. I should have asked these two questions.
"Was this crime committed for money?" and
"Were there any other significant reasons?"
The answers I get tonight are Yes and Yes.
I suspect that for the Illuminati, money is always a reason. And you know that the Illuminati runs the US government. They buy and control our politicians. Although I live in Ecuador, I have the right to vote for the US president. But why bother when both candidates are bought and paid for before the election? Potential candidates that the Illuminati cannot control are denigrated by the press, and the voters blindly follow the press. Sorry, I do run on...

[wnlight]

Please give me a few minutes to tell you the who, where, how and why of the missing Malaysian flight 370 incident.

The Illuminati recently made a psychological attack upon China.  It was the hijacking of Malaysian Flight 370.  As you know, the CIA are under Illuminati control. The CIA used existing technology to remotely take over the Boeing 777 and fly it to their stronghold of Diego Garcia, just as one would fly a drone.  The plane's crew had no choice but to be unwilling passengers of the remote-controlled airplane.

The cargo and one prisoner were unloaded on the island.  The plane was re-fueled and then flown to Pasni, Pakistan which is an area controlled by the CIA.  It is still there, on the airport tarmac, covered.  All but ten of the passengers and crew are being held prisoner there.  Nine died from stress early into this covert action. Why they kept one passenger, Pilip Wood, on the island, I do not know. I am told they have some use for him.

The naval forces of all those nations out there in the Indian Ocean are trying to do a good thing. That includes the US Navy. They are trying to find a missing airplane using high technology and due diligence. They are looking in the area that provides them with the best chance of success according to the dada that they have. The bulk of the US Navy are really good guys, trying to locate this plane. They don't know that a "pinger" normally used with airline black boxes was dropped into the Indian Ocean to create misinformation. Obama knows the whole story.  The military joint chiefs of staff know the whole story. Many in the US Congress know the whole story.  And now so do you.

Some of you might object to this story, thinking that the Illuminati died off centuries ago.  I know. We are supposed to think that they don't exist.  My opinion is that’s misinformation spread by the Illuminati. Let me tell you that I once worked in a location that doesn't exist on a project that never was for a non-existent company doing impossible things to 'protect' the USA.  Please also keep in mind that many in the CIA are good people duped into doing bad things in the name of peace.

You might also ask "But why?"  I did.  What on earth will they do with that Boeing 777? Not much - maybe salvage the parts. And the captives, sadly, are expendable.  That's not the point.  The point is that China has had to endure the loss of face of being helpless to return their missing people.  China had to let a small, incapable nation (Malaysia) bumble their way through the whole mess.  China has lots of its truly mighty fleet out their finding only flotsam.  The Chinese government looks incompetent, ineffective, and incapable.  To whom?  To their own people. The Illuminate are out to destroy all nations to complete their one world order. They use financial means and military means, but best yet is to stir up social unrest to overthrow governments.

How do I know all this?  Meditation, dowsing and channeling. And history.  Also, this is the only story that fits all the known facts. Such as, the last known bearing of the airplane was more towards the island of Diego Garcia than towards any of the search areas.

Ask me some questions, and I will try to dowse for the answers.

Warren

[Atlas]

Friday, April 18, 2014
Fox Cable Executive Fired for Emails Sent to Malaysia 370 Family Member (http://christinenegroni.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/fox-cable-executive-fired-for-emails.html)
by Christine Negroni

A Fox Cable Network executive has been fired from her job in Los Angeles after contacting the girlfriend of missing Malaysia Airlines passenger Philip Wood, with an offer to raise money through an online website. Darlene Tipton, vice president of standards and practices at Fox, told Sarah Bajc that she and her husband Ken Tipton could potentially raise $15 million for Wood's immediate family and asked if Bajc thought other family members would be interested in such a plan.

Bajc suspected a scam and sent the email to Fox, leading to Tipton's dismissal on April 10. Friday afternoon, Tipton expressed surprise at her termination because other employees used their company email for personal business.

"I have absolutely nothing to lose so I would like to pursue setting up the GoFundMe account for Philip Wood and possibly all 238 passengers," Tipton wrote to an employee at the social media fundraising site, GoFundMe.com.

Tipton’s lawyer Stan Lieber says there’s nothing illegal or immoral about trying to raise funds for someone even without their authorization. “If they don’t want to take it, they don’t have to take it,” he said of the families.

Tipton has posted a rambling video of her husband Ken, taped from his hospital bed where he claims he may know the real story of the missing airliner because it came to him in a vision. Alternatively, he could have been having a medicine-induced hallucination. He's not sure.

The Tiptons are not the only odd ducks I’ve come across since I started covering the action in Kuala Lumpur. A woman named Aida Santa Lucia from a company called Consultant and Advisor Services was in Malaysia a few weeks ago offering to help families select just the right legal representation. Lucia's no lawyer, she will hand the cases she acquires over to a law firm that will then pay her a fee, according to a contract she showed to potential clients. (Just to make it more interesting, the New Jersey office address on the contract is a mail drop that 13 years ago was used as a convenience address by two 9/11 hijackers.)

John Mitchell of USA Consulting, also of New Jersey has been calling lawyers offering to sell retainers he has with more than two dozen MH 370 families. When I called Mr. Mitchell asking for details, he hung up on me.

What is it with Chicago's Ribbeck Law firm? Making the ludicrous claim to be the biggest aviation law firm in the world, Manuel von Ribbeck, met a few days ago with some of the Indonesian families who lost loved ones on Malaysia Flight 370. Four of them signed retainers with the firm I am told.

Indonesia is the home of Firman Siregar, a 25-year old from Sumatra who was headed to a new job at Schlumberger in China when the plane went missing. The very first legal action filed in Chicago on March 26th, was filed on behalf of Siregar's parents. Except for one tiny detail; the parents had no idea about the suit. The man named as Siregar's father in the court document was actually a distant relative. All of this was explained in a letter the family wrote disavowing the suit. The letter was sent to a national news site and the Indonesian government. Since then, Siregar's real family has met with Ribbeck lawyers and are said to be considering hiring them. Go figure.

Sarah Bajc, whose partner Phillip Wood was on the plane, told me a friend in the media recommended she speak to Ribbeck and so she did. The man who called her (Deon Botha) said the Ribbeck firm was providing free counseling and general legal advice and would she like to meet with them? Bajc declined. In an interview with Gloria Riviera for ABC's Brian Ross the woman said lawyers chasing for business so soon was "unacceptable".

The Ribbecks, who other aviation lawyers claim never to have seen at a deposition or in a courtroom in an aviation case, have a second goal. Take all those signed contracts and sell them off to lawyers in the United States who will do the legal work.

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it is a shame that such behaviour damages so many ... the families, their pursuit for the truth, and the good lawyers. Thank you Christine for bringing this to out attention.

Sarah Bajc also 'liked' the video below:

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[Atlas]

Victor has been working on an interpretation of the Inmarsat information and the search region in the Indian Ocean in order to derive an alternative northern path.
http://www.duncansteel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/P_2Db.png


I reversed engineered south path to extract satellite data. North path ends near Qamdo Bamda Airport, Tibet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlnT08kCUAAMaRs.jpg


The math is again leading me towards Tibet and more precisely towards the Qamdo Bamda airport.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Blobj98CcAAyIf7.jpg

[Atlas]

Nifty flow chart by @RickFez1 assessing the various possibilities for fate of MH370
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/mh370-logicalreasoning.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/kVv3lon.png)

[Flash]

the military branch above is not developed enough with all the possible alternatives, from US military to Chinese military to Pakitasni military, to Uzbekhistan military, name it. Military in my views is surely not a stop.

Who is Fez1 pulling us away from a military or state target and pushing us into a terrorist target (commercial)?

[Flash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8enSRBWpKoI

They would be using Equipment that has much less capacities than the one described in the video above to search for the plane in the Indian Ocean. Why?

[Flash]

found in Sigma 6 thread here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70690-MH-370-Flight-370-Former-Political-Secretary-Israel-bought-same-plane-1-year-previous a video of Matthias Chang speaks about MH 370 flight. He says Israel bought form Malaysia an exact plane like the MH 370 last year and will use it for a false flag accusing Iran.


Publiée le 2014-04-16


Matthias Chang Wen Chieh (60) is a former political secretary to former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad .

He has been active in anti-war movement - Premier Foundation. In 2009, Mathias Chang participated in the convoy Viva Palestina . Of religion Roman Catholic and lives in Kuala Lumpur .
On March 25, 2010, Judge Noor Azian Shaari at the Kuala Lumpur High Court ruled Mathias Chang guilty of contempt of court. He was fined RM20, 000 or a month in prison. Cahang be the first witness in a defamation suit against American Express in 2002.

Fault is that he failed to apologize to the court after going quarrels between him, a judge and a lawyer in cross-examination by counsel in the proceedings of a defamation suit against American Express (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd on Thursday, March 25, 2010. Subsequently, Chang out of the witness box and to complain to the Chief Justice . arrested him.

Chang is a lawyer Manjit Singh. Zainur Zakaria act for Chang in contempt proceedings. American Express is represented by Prakash Menon.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpL2il3cdE#t=82&hd=1

[Flash]

Leuren Moret, radiation and electronic weapon systems expert, is having a whole descriptions of those reponsible for that flight and the political inputs that led that tragedy.

This is part of a post transferred from Ktlight thread in order to keep all the information as near or as far fetched it might be, in the same thread to keep information regrouped and coherent, in the hope that someone may use it to find the plane, despite the cover up we have seen

Klight thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70678-Leuren-Moret-MH370-false-flag-includes-Malaysia-oil-grab-Asia-militarisation


Publiée le 2014-04-09


READ ARTICLE WITH DOCUMENTS & IMAGES
Leuren Moret: Confirmed -- MH370 shot down by US over Singapore airspace as UK Inmarsat leads 30 day false flag psyops for 5 NWO objectives (I) [READ FULL ARTICLE]
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peaceins...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuWyLgIv1kg


UPDATED MH370 MEMORANDUM BY LEUREN MORET

This Memorandum is intended to answer the five key questions about the MH370 false flag operation:

Who was behind it?

What caused the disappearance of MH370?

When did MH370 disappear?

Where did MH370 disappear?

Why did MH370 disappear, and why was this elaborate false flag operation carried out?

Leuren Moret: MH370 false flag objectives include NWO-Rothschild Malaysia oil grab; militarization of SE Asia; Inmarsat global plane tracking; advancing global police state



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUgWhUkkzr4


Publiée le 2014-03-13


Leuren Moret: Flight 370 downing was U.S. Navy Energy weapons demo for Putin; Rothschild patent scam; Payback for Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal verdicts vs. Israel, US and UK
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peaceins...

[Atlas]

Leuren Moret is a conspiracy theorist and lobbyist on issues of radiation and public health, specifically advocating against the use of depleted uranium ammunition. She worked at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. She was appointed a citizen member of the City of Berkeley Community Environmental Advisory Commission on September 6, 2001 and served until her termination on January 4, 2006.

Moret describes herself as a whistleblower on nuclear weapon research and states that her 2000 visit to the Peace Museums at Hiroshima and Nagasaki changed her life. Her efforts are focused on educating people about the negative impact of radiation on health and advocates against testing of nuclear weapons. The Tehran Times has described her efforts as a "crusade".

Moret declared on March 21, 2011 that the “Japan Earthquake" and “accidents” that occurred March 11, 2011, were deliberate acts of tectonic nuclear warfare. She claimed further that the "attack" was carried out using HAARP technology by the Central Intelligence Agency, the United States Department of Energy, and British Petroleum on behalf of London banking interests.

http://web.archive.org/web/20131126085241/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuren_Moret

She is not a reliable source:


what she said about "secret Chemtrail experiments in Space" is bull**** (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgalaktische-bloederation.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F01%2Fchemtrails-im-weltall-geheime-shuttle.html)
Leuren Moret, Doug Rokke and Others Mislead Public on Depleted Uranium (http://www.ntanet.net/traprock.html)

[Slorri]

She is not a reliable source:


She is more reliable than most.

[panopticon]

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: Two-thirds of planned underwater search complete with no wreckage found (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-21/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-two-thirds-of-search-complete/5402074)
21st April, 2014

Two-thirds of the planned underwater search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been completed, with no wreckage found.

As many as 10 military aircraft and 11 ships are taking part in the search for the aircraft, which was carrying 239 people when it vanished on March 8 en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.

Flight MH370 inexplicably diverted from its course and is thought to have crashed into the Indian Ocean.

No debris from the plane has been found despite an intensive air-and-sea search and hopes now centre on the autonomous underwater vehicle (AUV) Bluefin-21 of finding wreckage on the Indian Ocean seabed.

"Bluefin-21 has searched approximately two-thirds of the focused underwater search area to date," the Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC), which is managing the search, said in a statement.

"No contacts of interest have been found to date."

The torpedo-shaped sonar scanning device has so far made eight missions to the vast depths of the ocean with no result, despite exceeding its operating limit of 4,500 metres.

The Bluefin-21 commenced its ninth mission this morning.

Authorities believe acoustic signals picked up from the seabed far off the West Australian coast by specialist US equipment - known as a towed "pinger" locator - are the best lead so far in solving the mystery.

With the batteries of the black box beacons now thought to have expired, experts are scouring the seabed in the vicinity of the transmissions to find their source.

"The focused underwater search area is defined as a circle of 10-kilometre radius around the second towed pinger locator detection which occurred on April 8," JACC said.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority says the visual search area today would total about 49,500 square kilometres.

The centre of the search area, which will be conducted by all the planes and all but one of the ships, is about 1,750 kilometres north-west of Perth.

The weather in the region is forecast to deteriorate later today, particularly in the northern sector, as Tropical Cyclone Jack continues its track south.

Widespread showers were developing, with isolated thunderstorms to the north and east south-easterly winds.

Authorities have indicated they may reassess within days how to approach the extremely challenging search for the plane, expected to be the costliest in aviation history, given that nothing has been found so far.

Malaysia's government and the airline have come under harsh criticism from Chinese relatives of MH370 passengers, two-thirds of whom were Chinese, over their handling of the incident.

Earlier today, a Malaysia Airlines plane with 166 people aboard was forced to make an emergency landing in Kuala Lumpur in another blow to the airline's safety image.

Flight MH192, bound for Bangalore in India, turned back after it was discovered that a tyre had burst on take-off, the airline said.

Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-21/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-two-thirds-of-search-complete/5402074)

[Atlas]

OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM MH370 FAMILIES OF 130 CHINESE PASSENGERS (https://www.facebook.com/MH370Families)- 22nd April, 2014, 12:06am (MYT)

Dear All,

On April 21, 2014, 2:00 pm, 45 days after Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 lost its contact, Malaysia representative and NOK of MH370 passengers had a communication meeting at Lido Hotel.
Malaysian Envoy Miss Zhou Meifen, Malaysia Embassy representatives and officers from Malaysia Airlines have confirmed many times that the high-level technical delegation will arrive to meet Chinese families to discuss technical issues. However, Malaysia violated their envoy promises, only representatives of the Malaysian embassy officials Bala and people from Malaysia Airlines attended the venue.

First Bala mentioned that after discussion the interior of the Malaysian authority in the weekend, they believe that discussion related to technical issues should be stopped, and can be postponed to some appropriate time in the future. Now they hope to carry out further work to explore the issue with families. He said that there will be a team arriving in the next 24-48 hours to reach Beijing, they will first communicate with Chinese government, and then talk to the families about what should be settled in the next step.

Malaysia Airlines MH370 has been being lost for 45 days. On March 24, without a responsible manner, without any direct evidence, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib announced the end of flight in the Southern Indian Ocean only based on an analysis report, which is calculated using a never used algorithm by Inmarsat. Nearly a month after this announcement, a large number of aircrafts, ships, and satellites started to search, but nothing was found related to MH370. Not only the families, but also everyone in the world suspect on this deduction. Is it really true that MH370 locates at where Inmarsat has been calculated？ Nothing has been found in the suspected water area that is related to MH370, not even a single piece. Therefore, we have sufficient reason to suspect whether the Inmarsat's inferences are correct, or not.

Based on this issue, some of Chinese families of passengers gathered a technical team, and has cooperate with relatives from other countries. We did research work on the announced satellite coordinates, the handshakes, the Doppler Effect and other issues from Inmarsat. We have request many time to talk to people from Inmarsat, or let them provide us all the raw data of the handshake information from MH370 and the satellite so that we can help them to review whether this inference is correct or not. Everything we do is to provide help to find the plane! However, the Malaysian government has been to avoid this issue all the time.

Not only the Chinese families of the passengers, but also families in Malaysia, India, US, and Australia, all families of the passengers are most concerned about only one issue at this time: where the plane is, where our loved ones are! Bala kept saying that they are sending teams to solve problems families are most concerned about, but do you think a management group can investigate the answer to these questions? This is simply a perfunctory, this is simply an escape, this is simply a provocation to all the families of MH370passengers, as well as disregard for life!

Australian Prime Minister has published a statement saying that he is very confidential that the detected underwater signals was from MH370. This is further confirmed by Malaysian Prime Minister. However, they never published the reason how they confirmed this. Meanwhile, their search continues. We are wondering why they are not focusing on searching, but to begin to discuss the follow-up compensation issues? What evenly happened on the communication meeting in Kuala Lumpur yesterday morning, the technical communication is replaced by the same result. Do they really have the desire to find the plane?

We reject all acts of sabotage carried out the search continues! If the Malaysian government is really trying to help the families, rather than trying to hide, delay, cover up the truth, or ending this incident as soon as possible, they should do everything they can to unite all forces that can help to search!

We demand that Malaysia should invite an independent investigation agency to assist in the investigation and share all data and information as soon as possible. At the same time, we request the Malaysia to send technical delegation to answer questions about Inmarsat issues, crucial problems about aviation system and radar system with family members, to provide all handshake information from Inmarsat to help with confirming the accuracy of the searching sites.

We have only one purpose: find the plane, find our loved ones!

Chinese MH370 Family Committee
April 21, 2014

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[Atlas]

‘Reveal the 1976 Sabah air crash report’ (http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2013/02/26/reveal-the-1976-sabah-air-crash-report/)

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/1976-sabah-air-crash.jpg

After 37 years, the report on the air crash which took place on June 6, 1976, in Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia and took the lives of the chief minister and 10 others is still kept under wraps. Captain Joseph Lakai, a test pilot-turned-politician (he served in the Royal Malaysian Air Force as flight test engineer and test pilot):




To keep the June 6, 1976 crash report continuously away from the public, especially after 37 years, is completely unacceptable. The circumstances surrounding the air crash and the secrecy of the report can give rise to suspicions and speculations. As a patriotic Sabahan, an aviation consultant and a mechanical engineer, I fully agree with SAPP’s [Sabah Progressive Party] efforts to uncover the truth behind the air crash by first getting the 1976 report released.

Immediately after the crash there were allegations of foul play due to the political circumstances at the time. Many questions arose over whether the tragedy was the result of a mechanical problem or bomb or pilot error or problematic aircraft. However the real reason remains a mystery, the air mishap surrounding is still unexplained and this had haunted many who tried to seek the truth behind the tragic incidence, while the original report on the incident remains classified until today.

Why the Government of Malaysia never publish any investigation reports to the public? Now we Sabahans want and should know the truth about what really happened that June 6. Were the deaths of Tun Fuad and his Cabinet members a mishap or sabotage or a political conspiracy? We want the government to reveal the hidden story behind the scenes.

He also echoed SAPP’s stand that if they are voted into power this coming election, the new state government of Sabah will demand the release from the Australian government their forensic findings on the NOMAD aircraft wreckage. He concluded that according to the National Archives of Australia record series B5535 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Six_Crash#Recent_references):

Annexure 1 S33 (1) (a) – Reason for decision (not to make public the findings) were because:

Annex 13 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation – Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation requires that a participating state in an investigation not release details of the investigation without the permission of the main investigating state.
Malaysia has not as yet publicly released their final and full report of the investigation.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau undertakes investigation of aircraft accidents under Annex 13. The public disclosure of this information would lessen the confidence of foreign governments in Australia’s commitment to meeting the requirement of Annex 13 and compromise the future activities of the ATSB and impair its ability to carry out its statutory function.
Release of the information could reasonably be expected to cause damage to the international relation of the Commonwealth.

Annexure 1 S33 (1) (b) –

The information was of an inherently confidential nature when communicated to the Australian government. The information is still afforded security protection by the foreign government and it has asked that the information not be disclosed to the public.
The disclosure of this information would therefore constitute a breach of confidence owed of that foreign government.

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Related article: Theorists insist sabotage killed Tun Fuad and sealed the fate of Sabah’s oil rights 37 years ago (http://www.thestar.com.my/Opinion/Columnists/One-Mans-Meat/Profile/Articles/2013/06/10/Conspiracy-still-in-the-air/) by Philip Golingai dated Monday June 10, 2013

[Roisin]

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: Two-thirds of planned underwater search complete with no wreckage found (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-21/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-two-thirds-of-search-complete/5402074)
21st April, 2014

Two-thirds of the planned underwater search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has been completed, with no wreckage found.

As many as 10 military aircraft and 11 ships are taking part in the search for the aircraft, which was carrying 239 people when it vanished on March 8 en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur.


Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-21/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-two-thirds-of-search-complete/5402074)

To me, this only confirms those suspicions that many of us have had about the actual authenticity of those "blackbox" pings and that so-called "expert" identification of them is far from the exact science than what they were letting on. That they have not found any wreckage at the bottom of that area even though they've already scanned two-thirds of it clearly indicates to us that those pings were most likely from various ships and technology that were located in that area at the time when they were heard and NOT from any airliner black-boxes.

Or, those pings were heard from some kind of technology that was planted down there and so on. And as outside-of-the-box as that may sound, any discerning reader who has been carefully following this story since day one really has no choice but to throw that one into that mix too when considering those possibilities out there concerning the source of those pings.

Then, of course, there was that curious suppression of that information from the CTBTO that first came out on March 11th stating that they had not picked up any information on a global level that any jumbo jet airliner had crashed or exploded.... anywhere on land or sea.

Yet, those intelligence agencies involved in the search of this plane kept insisting that it crashed in the Indian Ocean where they were clearly ignoring that information from the CTBTO.

At any rate, here we are, 45 plus days later and that plane has yet to be found. So who was right about the demise of that plane and who wasn't? Well, so far, the CTBTO's information and public statement about the demise of that plane still continues to hold.

[Bill Ryan]

Something is bugging me .
Australia's flagship airline Qantas has been for many months on the chopping block and the incumbent prime minister - Abbot - refuses to put money in to save the carrier and Thousands of jobs are at stake.

Why then, is millions being spent by the Australian govt on one plane that belongs to another airline and country?



Because of the Australian government's close political relationship with China. Pan[opticon] -- can you confirm?

[Cognitive Dissident]

Something is bugging me .
Australia's flagship airline Qantas has been for many months on the chopping block and the incumbent prime minister - Abbot - refuses to put money in to save the carrier and Thousands of jobs are at stake.

Why then, is millions being spent by the Australian govt on one plane that belongs to another airline and country?



Because of the Australian government's close political relationship with China. Pan[opticon] -- can you confirm?

Not meaning to jump in front of Pan, but my Aussie friends tell me that Abbott is a showman who has leapt at this opportunity to be at the front of the world stage.

In terms of China, yes they have a close commercial relationship, but they have a much closer political/military relationship with the US (think Five Eyes and all that).

Also, from a pragmatic perspective, look at how much criticism Malaysia got for "mishandling" the search (I think there is much more to the story but anyway) - Australia would get a lot of criticism from the world press if it gave anything less than 100% to this search. As to Qantas, it is not as if Abbott is raiding a special pot of money which would otherwise be spent on Qantas - there are always funds for "emergencies", which is why governments like emergencies so much.

From a "conspiracy" perspective, for sure the Australians have Pine Gap and probably know a lot more about MH370 than they are letting on, probably whether it landed on Diego Garcia or not (my guess: I would not be surprised). Who better than the Australians to co-operate with the US/secret government/Illuminati/whoever in planting suitable debris in the remote Indian Ocean - no other in the region has the physical capacity to search out there, so we just have to believe whatever the Australians tell us about what they find...

[sdv]

China, USA, ...
Apologies if I offend by blowing the trumpet of my own belief. The airplane is not where they are looking for it. Australia is spending a huge amount of resources in searching for an airplane where it isn't. Why?
That radar info about the supposed route of the airplane (after one-on-one communication and disappearance) are not conclusive evidence for me in tracking where the airplane went. How many spy planes could have been in the air in that region at that time? Were those radar tracks from the missing airplane or from another unidentified flying object in that area at the same time?
If I was Australian, I would be very annoyed that my government was spending so many resources looking for an airplane in the wrong place and would be asking why.
This has become a theatre of the absurd. In this huge search operation, every bit of flotsam recovered has not been from the aircraft and the so-called signals from the aircraft have now (predictably according to known time) stopped. Is Australia now dredging the depths of a huge portion of a very deep Indian Ocean looking for a tiny black box that has gone silent?
My conclusion? The world, and all its resources, is being controlled by a bunch of wasteful, stupid, cowardly, destructive, pathetic beings!
Stop wasting resources looking for an airplane where it is not. Come clean about all that stupid, ridiculous covert activity that you are trying to hide.
If you really want to find the airplane, follow the leads provided by witnesses on the ground (no such intensive search where witnesses indicated that airplane might have gone down).
In the meanwhile, stay away from flying on a 777. There are flaws on this aircraft.
My gut instinct, and everything I have discovered about airplane crashes, tells me that it did crash into the sea ... but not where they are looking for it.
This whole debacle is about surveillance, control, manipulation ... that's the real story. Taxpayer money is being wasted to cover that up.

[mosquito]

I agree SDV, this is becoming a farce. (I said that a few weeks ago, didn't I ?!).

I've so far refrained from any speculation, I have no idea where the plane is, but my suspicion about what's happening is very simple. Whatever happened to the plane was as a result of the flight management software, and the USA is deliberately trying to keep it from being located in order to protect Boeing. Simple, plausible, based on massive evidence of commercial protectionism by the US, BUT ..... speculation nonetheless.

Whether the above be right or wrong, someone somewhere is deliberately playing silly buggers. But whoever they are, they've made a very serious mistake - the Chinese WILL NOT let this go.

[Roisin]

I wonder if governments around the world are now in "alert/attack" mode due to the possibility that this plane landed somewhere and was converted into a weapon filled with bombs. Are they doing more military drills in the event that a plane like that would have to be shot down should it show up in their territory? In short, are they going through all of the motions now to prepare themselves for another 9/11?

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Israel tightens airspace security after jet’s disappearance
As terrorism fears grow in Malaysian plane case, Israeli officials increase already-tight precautions

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-tightens-airspace-security-after-jets-disappearance/

[bogeyman]

""Malaysia's air force chief, Rodzali Daud, said military radar detected an UFO in an area in the northern Malacca Strait at 2:15 a.m. local time on Saturday about an hour after the plane vanished from air traffic control screens," UFO blogger reported"

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/549105/20140423/mh370-malaysian-airlines.htm#.U1dMik2PKUl

[Hazel]

Yeeers an international cast in Pantomime garb, staging covert cover-ups indeed...
well p'raps..

could well be that.. that plane was discovered to be in play for useage in terrorist menace (e.g. heading to a major city to bring down another 'twin towers' scenario:confused:...) therefore the PTB 'possibly' brought it down in a steep trajectory to be lost in the depths of the ocean, so as never to be traced and actions to never be questioned.:confused: Mmmm or any of the many other scenarios tabled!

All I do know is, the Australian Gov'ts part in this current Pantomime... is as embarrassing to many of its people as was when our then Prime Minister had his overt (butt hugging) liason with Bushes push for seeking weapons of mass destruction in the East post 9/11. By the same token of course, in compassion for the families suffering the losses we buffer that response with a sense of our responsibility to assist.

If the world stage had a parody worth versing its collective confusion and theories, it would be a Walt Disney epic starring its best loved characters from Fantasia and Pinocchio...

Yet another dystopian tragic farce for people to endure..

Crikey Mikey... so impudently Mickey Mouse in Goth' Red Dragon costume!

Euphemistically speaking: as the audience viewing anything on this chiaroscuro stage of many set changes.. realistically, can we ever expect to see behind the masks and plot(s).. if they do in fact exist?

But yes.. we shall not ere away from the need to know the Truth :israel:

[panopticon]

Nothing new in the underwater search however some unidentified material has washed ashore just 10 kilometres from Augusta... Imagine that...

Just for the non-Aussies, Augusta is in the South West corner of Australia and about 2000 kilometres from the present search area... :shocked:

:jester:

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Unidentified material washed ashore (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr035.aspx)
Media Release, 23 April 2014 pm

Western Australia Police have attended a report of material washed ashore 10 kilometres east of Augusta and have secured the material.

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) is examining the photographs of the material to determine whether further physical analysis is required and if there is any relevance to the search of missing flight MH370.

The ATSB has also provided the photographs to the Malaysian investigation team.

No further information is available at this time.

Any further information will be made available if, and when, it becomes available.

Source (http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2014/april/mr035.aspx)

[panopticon]

Something is bugging me .
Australia's flagship airline Qantas has been for many months on the chopping block and the incumbent prime minister - Abbot - refuses to put money in to save the carrier and Thousands of jobs are at stake.

Why then, is millions being spent by the Australian govt on one plane that belongs to another airline and country?



Because of the Australian government's close political relationship with China. Pan[opticon] -- can you confirm?

Not meaning to jump in front of Pan, but my Aussie friends tell me that Abbott is a showman who has leapt at this opportunity to be at the front of the world stage.

In terms of China, yes they have a close commercial relationship, but they have a much closer political/military relationship with the US (think Five Eyes and all that).

Also, from a pragmatic perspective, look at how much criticism Malaysia got for "mishandling" the search (I think there is much more to the story but anyway) - Australia would get a lot of criticism from the world press if it gave anything less than 100% to this search. As to Qantas, it is not as if Abbott is raiding a special pot of money which would otherwise be spent on Qantas - there are always funds for "emergencies", which is why governments like emergencies so much.

From a "conspiracy" perspective, for sure the Australians have Pine Gap and probably know a lot more about MH370 than they are letting on, probably whether it landed on Diego Garcia or not (my guess: I would not be surprised). Who better than the Australians to co-operate with the US/secret government/Illuminati/whoever in planting suitable debris in the remote Indian Ocean - no other in the region has the physical capacity to search out there, so we just have to believe whatever the Australians tell us about what they find...

Good summary Cog.

Short answer...

Yes Bill, Australia has a close though complex political relationship with China.

Modifying the Qantas Sale Act versus partial Australian Government funding of the airline is really a domestic issue that Abbott and co have been playing with since they gained office and unrelated to the MH370 search.

Longer answer (though no where near as long as it could be)...

We can look at this "relationship" between China and Australia (ie Sino-Australian relations) in a variety of ways. The most important is undoubtedly economic. Australia exports ~28% of all resources etc to China while importing ~14% of its total imports from China (source (http://dfat.gov.au/publications/tgs/index.html)). China is Australia's number one trade partner and is the main reason that Australia survived the GFC. These exports are predominantly of natural resources (iron ore, coal, gold, petroleum, wheat, etc) while imports are mostly consumer goods. Massive investment/development has been undertaken by Chinese companies in Australia across sectors and, contrary to domestic sentiment, is not focused only in mining related industries (for example almost all new renewable energy development in Tasmania are backed, at least in part, by Chinese investors).

I wrote a passage on cultural aspects but didn't want to court controversy so removed it. In short Australia has more in common with the UK and US than it has in common with China and this has an impact on Sino-Australian relations. The recent approval for the Australia Network to broadcast in parts of China (this is a major coupe) shows just how close the relationship between Australia and China could be (source 1 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-17/an-abc27s-australia-network-signs-china-content-deal/5396664), source 2 (http://www.smh.com.au/national/abc-becomes-first-western-broadcaster-to-go-chinawide-20140416-36s9c.html)).

Sino-Australian relations are incredibly complex and I personally reckon that there is a need for Australia to complete the underwater mapping of the search area and then look for direction from Malaysia/China. I also think that Houston and Leavy were very surprised that there were signals detected within such a short time. The search shifted and next thing there's a signal. These ain't blokes who believe in co-incidence and I also reckon that's the reason Houston continues to say that there can be no confirmation without wreckage. It's almost like he's daring someone to produce some.

-- Pan

[Atlas]

""Malaysia's air force chief, Rodzali Daud, said military radar detected an UFO in an area in the northern Malacca Strait at 2:15 a.m. local time on Saturday about an hour after the plane vanished from air traffic control screens," UFO blogger reported"

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/549105/20140423/mh370-malaysian-airlines.htm#.U1dMik2PKUl

This info was posted on March 12, 2014:


As it currently stands:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/12/article-2578914-1C38896700000578-489_634x476.jpg


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578914/Nine-fresh-witnesses-place-missing-jet-near-Thailand-despite-Malaysia-military-moving-search-area-west.html



And again 1 month ago:


[...] The final blip came from about 200 miles northwest of Penang at 2:15 a.m. local time on Saturday, General Rodzali said, adding that the data showed the aircraft at an altitude of 29,500 feet. [...]

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/03/13/world/jpflight/jpflight-master675.jpg

[Flash]

Thanks Buares for keeping the information together

Part of the article referred to in above post:




MH370: Radar Detected UFO Before Jet Goes Missing; Malaysian Air Force Head Reportedly Confirms Sightings

By Lou Ramon Aguila | April 23, 2014 10:47 AM EST

The search for the ill-fated Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 continues, but to no avail, mysteries still hover over the disappearance of the jet-passenger along with the 239 people on board. More than a month since it vanished, a new theory has emerged that would surely trigger debates about the existence of unidentified flying objects.

Reuters
Maritime Warfare Officer, Sub Lieutenant Officer Samuel Archibald, looks through binoculars on the bridge of the Australian Navy ship HMAS Perth in the southern Indian Ocean, during the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370, in this picture released by the Australian Defence Force on April 8, 2014. REUTERS/Australian Defence Force/Handout

Reason.com conducted a poll in the United States and found out that five percent of their respondents believed Flight 370 was abducted by aliens. Several bloggers also indicated a number of UFO sightings around Malaysia before the plane's disappearance.

Alexandra Bruce provided vital information on Forbidden Knowledge TV that would back up the alien abduction theory. According to her report, there were two 'distinct anomalies' spotted on the radar (Flight Radar 24) before it went missing.

Forbidden Knowledge TV


"Seeing the radar playback of the moments leading up to the plane's disappearance, one may forgive Malaysia Airlines for not being more forward, in this case - because the radar playback is not only baffling, it shows two distinct anomalies, as pointed out by Intrepid citizen-reporter and YouTube popstar, DAHBOO7.

The radar playback depicts dozens of planes in flight over the region at the time. The first peculiarity is seen in the lower left of the screen. A round object appears in the vicinity of Flight 370 (and amid several others), which the radar does not automatically "read" as airplane. Suddenly, this round object take the form of a "plane" on the radar screen and accelerates at a rate of speed that must be at least five times the speed of the surrounding planes, heading eastward, over the South China Sea - and just as suddenly the object stops and appears to hover in place."

UFO blogger also documented a confirmation by Malaysian air force chief Rodzali Daud that military radar received signal from an unidentified flying objects near the location where MH370 reportedly vanished.

"Malaysia's air force chief, Rodzali Daud, said military radar detected an UFO in an area in the northern Malacca Strait at 2:15 a.m. local time on Saturday about an hour after the plane vanished from air traffic control screens," UFO blogger reported.

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To contact the editor, e-mail: editor@ibtimes.com

[ghostrider]

They will never find the plane , Israel bought one just like it a year ago , according to Matthias Chang secretary for the former prime minister ... he believes Israel will use flight 370 to somehow provoke war with Iran and attempt to get American involved ... two edged sword for him , now they won't do it , or they will and they will suicide him in a mysterious manner and cover it up ... if we only had a media in the mainstream , go visit Israel and ask them on camera WHY DID THEY PURCHASE A BOEING 777 FROM MALAYSIA , one just like MH 370 ??? It is my opinion , the plane was highjacked by remote control and the black box turned off , the stand in plane bought by Israel will be trotted out when needed and the blame will be placed on Iran ... the black ops folks have technology we won't learn about for another 40 yrs when it becomes old hat and even more technical advancements are made ...

[Operator]

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It is my opinion , the plane was highjacked by remote control and the black box turned off , the stand in plane bought by Israel will be trotted out when needed and the blame will be placed on Iran ...
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I understand the goal you describe, it must something like that. But somehow it doesn't make completely sense to have a
stand in plane while you just hijacked one ....

[Nick Matkin]

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It is my opinion , the plane was highjacked by remote control and the black box turned off , the stand in plane bought by Israel will be trotted out when needed and the blame will be placed on Iran ...
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I understand the goal you describe, it must something like that. But somehow it doesn't make completely sense to have a
stand in plane while you just hijacked one ....

Need to ask a range of pilots what's actually possible. They'd almost certainly know if it is technologically possible on ANY commercial aircraft to remotely control it. It can be done on other (military/drone) aircraft, but unless the equipment was especially installed, I doubt it's possible to do it on a civilian jet. But like I said, ask a pilot.

Nick

[Hervé]

[...] if it is technologically possible on ANY commercial aircraft to remotely control it. It can be done on other (military/drone) aircraft, but unless the equipment was especially installed, I doubt it's possible to do it on a civilian jet. But like I said, ask a pilot.

Nick

... or read the thread for pertinent data:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=811401&viewfull=1#post811401

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=811440&viewfull=1#post811440

Boeing got its Fly-By-Wire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire#Airbus.2FBoeing) designed so that it could prevent highjakers to overtake their planes... but the FAA papers indicates that its inherent security flaws allow for hackers to get their cotton picking hands into that system... which the military have direct access to (in case the plane got highjacked).

Now... what kind of hackers get the kind of finance to spend their time to design hacks into planes' systems?

... since bank accounts are a lot more lucrative than highjacked planes and a lot more incognito/stealth than ransom demands.

Anyone has any recollection of all the disinfo about "stuxnet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet#Discovery)"?

[Snookie]

I know someone who works for an Intel agency, who said they couldn't say much, but that it wasn't terrorism.

This type of comment leads me to believe it was initiated by some country's military, and perhaps several countries. I tend to believe what Chang said when he accused the Isrealies since they immediately rolled out those 3 "experts" who accused Iran of orchestrating it within days of the plane disappearing.

[sheme]

I wonder had this plane every flown to Israel -could a swap have been performed on the turn around- would it be noticed?

[Operator]

I wonder had this plane every flown to Israel -could a swap have been performed on the turn around- would it be noticed?

You mean like I suggested in this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=820676&viewfull=1#post820676) post (about Titanic) ?

[Hervé]

I know someone who works for an Intel agency, who said they couldn't say much, but that it wasn't terrorism.

This type of comment leads me to believe it was initiated by some country's military, and perhaps several countries. I tend to believe what Chang said when he accused the Isrealies since they immediately rolled out those 3 "experts" who accused Iran of orchestrating it within days of the plane disappearing.

Or, else...

... someone's got Boeing by the throat!


Well, beside a kitchen sink to throw in as well, me think somebody got their hands on a new toy that could turn that plane into a stealth drone. The kind of technology Henry Deacon/Arthur Neuman was working at putting together for 9-11.

But, this time without most anybody being in on it which would imply the faking + jamming + shutting off of signals from a specific target. Now, who could do that? And, at the same, time making a number of nations' military and civilian organizations look like fools and losing face.... on top of the emotional shock generated by the loss of passengers and crew.

[panopticon]

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Metal material washed ashore on WA not linked to missing flight (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-24/atsb-rules-out-link-of-metal-material-to-mh370/5408286)
24th April 2014

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau does not believe material found on a beach in WA's South West is connected to the missing Malaysia Airlines jet.

The material was found on a beach in Augusta yesterday by a member of the public and handed to police.

Photos of the items were sent to the ATSB for examination.

ATSB spokesman Martin Dolan has ruled out any link with MH370.

"We've carefully examined detailed photographs that were taken for us by the police, and we're satisfied that it's not a lead in terms of the search for MH370," he said.

"We want to pursue every possible lead that will help us find MH370 but sadly this is one that is not going to help in that search."

http://apanopticview.drivehq.com/misc/ATSB 'satisfied' that material found off Augusta is not linked to MH370 -- ABC Newsradio 2014-04-24.mp3
ATSB commissioner Martin Dolan speaks on ABC NewsRadio about the MH370 investigation (download (http://apanopticview.drivehq.com/misc/ATSB 'satisfied' that material found off Augusta is not linked to MH370 -- ABC Newsradio 2014-04-24.mp3))

However, Mr Dolan is encouraging people to continue coming forward with any other discoveries.

"We do encourage everyone who thinks they have viable leads in relation to the aircraft to contact the ATSB," he said.

"We want to pursue everything. There are going to be a range of cases where something that looks positive turns out not to be on closer examination."

The ATSB has also given the photographs to the Malaysian investigation team.

The search continues for wreckage from the Boeing 777, which vanished on March 8 carrying 239 people, including six Australians.

Planes were grounded for a second day on Wednesday after poor weather hampered search efforts.

The aerial search was initially suspended on Tuesday when bad weather caused by ex-Tropical Cyclone Jack moved into the area.

Twelve ships are continuing the search.

Acoustic detections remain most promising lead: ATSB

Mr Dolan says the most positive lead continues to be the four detections of acoustic signals that are consistent with a black box pinger.

However the pinger has stopped emitting signals.

"We are continuing our underwater search of the area, at this stage it remains our most possible lead," he said, referring to the use of the autonomous underwater vehicle Bluefin-21.

"So we are doing a sonar search of the area to see if there is any wreckage on the sea floor.

"We haven't been successful in detecting anything to this point but there is some time to go there.

"If the current phase is not successful... then the next phase will be a much more lengthy one."

Australia has vowed to keep searching for the missing plane as the Bluefin-21 nears the end of its first full mission.

Search officials have said that once the Bluefin-21's current mission, 2,000 kilometres north-west of Perth, is finished, they will redeploy the submarine to other areas yet to be determined.

Mr Dolan says authorities remain confident they are searching in the right area.

"All the analysis available to us... is that somewhere in the Indian Ocean, on that arc that was calculated from satellite connections, is the most likely place to find the aircraft," he said.

"We are satisfied it went south in the Indian Ocean."

Source (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-24/atsb-rules-out-link-of-metal-material-to-mh370/5408286)

[Cidersomerset]

"From The Beginning We Have NOT Believed They Are Looking In The Right Place" Flight 370

Thursday 24th April 2014 at 04:42 By David Icke

AQj95TvNScw

Published on 22 Apr 2014

April 22, 2014 CNN http://MOXNews.com

[Cidersomerset]

The BBC has gone very quite on this story, the last post seems
to be on the 15th April 2014........


http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.6/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

15 April 2014 Last updated at 17:19

Deep sea challenge for MH370 searchThe underwater search for wreckage from
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 came to a sudden halt on Tuesday when the robotic
mini-submarine Bluefin-21 exceeded its maximum depth and returned to the surface.

Bluefin-21 had begun its search on Monday near an area of sea bed known as the
Zenith Plateau, around 1,800km north west of Perth, Australia, and close to where
ultrasonic "pings" likely to have come from "black box" flight recorders were detected.

But after scanning the sea bed for six hours, a sudden depth increase triggered an
automatic safety device, returning the mini-sub to the surface.

Bluefin 21 was expected to resume scanning on Tuesday, but search teams may
now have to turn to other types of underwater vehicle capable of going deeper.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74275000/gif/_74275283_depth_comparison_624.gif


Graphic: Depth chart
One such craft could be the Remus-6000, which was used in the search for the
wreckage of Air France Flight 447 in 2011.

The AUV Abyss, a Remus-type owned by German Ocean Research group Geomar,
could be readied at its base in Kiel and sent to Australia within two weeks.

"To our knowledge there are only two Remus type AUVs available, one is ours, and
one is at Woods Hole (Oceanographic Institution) in Massachusetts, America," said
Geomar spokesman Dr Andreas Villwock.

Dr Villwock explained that the Abyss mini-sub would not need any special
configuration, and could be flown to Australia by air cargo and shipped to the
search zone.

However, he added that no formal request had yet been received from the
Australian authorities.

A spokesperson for Woods Hole said it had not received a formal request either.

Deep-sea records

The record depth for an unmanned craft is held by the Japanese mini-sub Kaiko,
which reached 10,911m in the Challenger Deep section of the Mariana Trench - the
deepest known part of the ocean - in 1995.

Kaiko was lost in 2003, but in 2009 the American mini-sub Nereus reached
10,902m in the same area.

The deepest manned voyage came in 1960, when the Trieste - a deep-diving
submersible known as a bathyscaphe - reached 10,916m in the Mariana Trench.

In 2012, film director James Cameron became the first person to travel solo to the
bottom of the Mariana Trench.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74275000/jpg/_74275286_ocean_depths_624_14_04_14.jpg

Ocean off the coast of Australia
Unknown waters

Depths in the current search zone range from 1,753m to 6,000m, but the sea bed
in the region has not been extensively surveyed.

The BBC's science correspondent Jonathan Amos says that the topography of the
ocean floor in the zone is unusually rugged, making the operation extremely
challenging.

Current maps of the area's sea bed are mostly based on satellite surveys, and more
detailed models are being assembled by the Commonwealth Scientific Industrial
Research Organisation (CSIRO).

"Satellites are continuously monitoring the ocean, the principal ones for this
investigation are European and US sea-level measuring satellites," said the
organisation's oceanographer David Griffin.

"We're also using thermal imagery of the ocean to see the details of what the flow
(current) has been."

He explained that if the location of the detected signals had correctly identified the
crash site, multi-directional ocean currents could explain why no wreckage has yet
been found.

"It's right at a position where the current is flowing in one direction just south of
that position, and in the other direction just north of that," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27033921

[syrwong]

I think this news report from New Strait Times three days ago is interesting and may be what the investigators actually believed.

KUALA LUMPUR: Members of the International Investigation Team (IIT) who have been putting their heads together since day one to find Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 are now looking at the likelihood of starting from scratch in hopes of finally solving this unprecedented aviation mystery.

Sources within the team that is based in Kuala Lumpur told the New Straits Times that among areas they were revisiting was the possibility that the Boeing jetliner had landed somewhere else, instead of ending up in the southern Indian Ocean.

“We may have to regroup soon to look into this possibility if no positive results come back in the next few days ... but at the same time, the search mission in the Indian Ocean must go on.
“The thought of it landing somewhere else is not impossible, as we have not found a single debris that could be linked to MH370.

“However, the possibility of a specific country hiding the plane when more than 20 nations are searching for it, seems absurd (Italics added),” the sources said.

Read more: MH370 probe team may be forced to ‘start again’ - General - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/mh370-probe-team-may-be-forced-to-start-again-1.574277#ixzz2znpNbjIz


This possibility was denied by the Malaysian Government in a press conference yesterday.

[panopticon]

I think this news report from New Strait Times three days ago is interesting and may be what the investigators actually believed.

KUALA LUMPUR: Members of the International Investigation Team (IIT) who have been putting their heads together since day one to find Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 are now looking at the likelihood of starting from scratch in hopes of finally solving this unprecedented aviation mystery.

Sources within the team that is based in Kuala Lumpur told the New Straits Times that among areas they were revisiting was the possibility that the Boeing jetliner had landed somewhere else, instead of ending up in the southern Indian Ocean.

“We may have to regroup soon to look into this possibility if no positive results come back in the next few days ... but at the same time, the search mission in the Indian Ocean must go on.
“The thought of it landing somewhere else is not impossible, as we have not found a single debris that could be linked to MH370.

“However, the possibility of a specific country hiding the plane when more than 20 nations are searching for it, seems absurd (Italics added),” the sources said.

Read more: MH370 probe team may be forced to ‘start again’ - General - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/mh370-probe-team-may-be-forced-to-start-again-1.574277#ixzz2znpNbjIz


This possibility was denied by the Malaysian Government in a press conference yesterday.

Thank you Syrwong for linking to the article.

What a very interesting piece. Remember that the Malaysians seemed to go back to basics a few weeks ago and re-analyse everything. That's why the originally referenced voice recording transcript was shown to be inaccurate.

Guess we'll have to wait and see where this turns next.

-- Pan

[Roisin]

'We have no reason to lose that hope'

Added on April 23, 2014

Pralhad Shirsath explains why he isn't losing hope that his wife, and the other passengers from Flight 370, may be alive.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/04/24/cnn-tonight-pralhad-shirsath-wife-missing.cnn.html

[donk]

Jospeh P Farrell drops some high-octane speculation, believing the situation to be profound:

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Forgive me if this has been posted already

[PurpleLama]

Jospeh P Farrell drops some high-octane speculation, believing the situation to be profound:



Forgive me if this has been posted already

For those like myself, who are less than youtoob friendly.

http://www.thebyteshow.com/Audio/JosephPFarrell/JosephPFarrell_CovertWars_BreakAwayCivilizations3_14Mar2014_TBS.mp3

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Why is a Twin of the Missing MH370 in a Hanger in Israel? - See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14652

http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14652

[Gardener]

Going back to square one by one group of 'unbiased' intelligent people (making no assumptions) and without attachment to the outcome; examining every second and yard of the journey and the 'reliable' data. I would seriously be looking at the radar of those random movements, the local 'other' anomolies just before the plane blipped out. The question: What could have cause a right-left-right movement and why? For example fighting for control of the plane.

There are too many compartmentalised data streams and worldwide committees, the smoke and mirrors brigade.

[Hervé]

Why is a Twin of the Missing MH370 in a Hanger in Israel? - See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14652

... indeed, why?

Well, following my pet theory:



[...] if it is technologically possible on ANY commercial aircraft to remotely control it. It can be done on other (military/drone) aircraft, but unless the equipment was especially installed, I doubt it's possible to do it on a civilian jet. But like I said, ask a pilot.

Nick

... or read the thread for pertinent data:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=811401&viewfull=1#post811401

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=811440&viewfull=1#post811440

Boeing got its Fly-By-Wire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fly-by-wire#Airbus.2FBoeing) designed so that it could prevent highjakers to overtake their planes... but the FAA papers indicates that its inherent security flaws allow for hackers to get their cotton picking hands into that system... which the military have direct access to (in case the plane got highjacked).

Now... what kind of hackers get the kind of finance to spend their time to design hacks into planes' systems?

... since bank accounts are a lot more lucrative than highjacked planes and a lot more incognito/stealth than ransom demands.

Anyone has any recollection of all the disinfo about "stuxnet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet#Discovery)"?



I know someone who works for an Intel agency, who said they couldn't say much, but that it wasn't terrorism.

This type of comment leads me to believe it was initiated by some country's military, and perhaps several countries. I tend to believe what Chang said when he accused the Isrealies since they immediately rolled out those 3 "experts" who accused Iran of orchestrating it within days of the plane disappearing.

Or, else...

... someone's got Boeing by the throat!


Well, beside a kitchen sink to throw in as well, me think somebody got their hands on a new toy that could turn that plane into a stealth drone. The kind of technology Henry Deacon/Arthur Neuman was working at putting together for 9-11.

But, this time without most anybody being in on it which would imply the faking + jamming + shutting off of signals from a specific target. Now, who could do that? And, at the same time, making a number of nations' military and civilian organizations look like fools and losing face.... on top of the emotional shock generated by the loss of passengers and crew.

... isn't it obvious?!

Let's see... assuming one is a hacker and wants to find all the flaws Microsoft left unhandled in its Win 7 or win 8.1 operating systems... what does the hacker do?

I think it would seem like a good idea to get one's hands on one of those operating system and take it apart to check how it all works... right? Kind of like reverse engineering it... right?

Now, let's say that some US military competitor wants to find out how the hell said US military can prevent a civilian (but also a military) jet from being hijacked and remotely flown like a drone... what would that competitor do?

It seems to me that such a competitor would get its hands on a specimen and start tinkering with it... right? And perhaps, while at it, find ways to outsmart the official remote system in order to make it the competitor's own... right?

There! No need to swap planes and other complicated schemes: just need to find the ways to hack into the military remote control system and take it over... right?

Seems to me that MANY militaries got red faces... like with 9-11: somebody outsmarted them all!

Now, according to that scenario, such competitor's got more than Boeing by the throat!

[Operator]

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Now, according to that scenario, such competitor's got more than Boeing by the throat!
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That also touches once again on one of my main questions "What is globally so threatening that countries/governments even
keep their mouth shut about the public 'secrets' of their alleged 'adversaries' ?"

What is it that unites them in keeping secrets ?

[Hervé]

[...]

That also touches once again on one of my main questions "What is globally so threatening that countries/governments even
keep their mouth shut about the public 'secrets' of their alleged 'adversaries' ?"

What is it that unites them in keeping secrets ?

The only thing I can think of is that time-proof scam of "Mafia protection" of having a cocked, loaded gun held to their head... to secure an agreement... using a number of tools/threats.

The first one of these tools to get nations in the fold was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki despite Japan having been ready to surrender for months prior. That was the first world wide "See what we can do?!"

... then the world got a cold war and a space race.

The next "See what we can do?!" was 9-11 as another, well documented, world wide demonstration of technological capabilities.

The next one I am aware of was the "Earthquake machine" experimented with that "Boxing Day" tsunami and reproduced to keep Japan in the fold as well as a number of others with the Haiti quake.

And now it seems like it's a "How many planes do you need to see disappear before signing on the dotted line?"

[ThePythonicCow]

The more I look at these INMARSAT data the more convinced I am that they are less than valid and reliable and may be part of an intentional misdirect.
Today from Missing plane mystery solved? (Veterans Today; Kevin Barrett) (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/24/mh370solved/):

One clue: Tatum provides evidence for the possible involvement of the CIA-based Bush crime family in the cover-up. The fake satellite trail to the remote and dangerous Southern Indian Ocean, a gigantic red herring, was fabricated by INMARSAT – whose largest owner, Harbinger Capital, is the new name for George H.W. Bush’s notorious Zapata Corporation.

[Hervé]

Waoww... :jaw:

Thank you Paul!


Edit:

Comment from the VT article (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/24/mh370solved/):


LC April 24, 2014 - 7:05 am (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/24/mh370solved/comment-page-1/#comment-535809)

A retired air force general had told me that he had personally seen demonstrations of large fly-by-wire airliners take offs & landings in the 60’s. He also said that select U.S. air-command centers had the capability to take over certain planes’ control remotely since the 60’s (including all heavy military aircraft)!!!

Here is a massive U.S. bomber flying-by-wire (totally)-1961 Remote Controlled B47 Bomber Plane Predecessor to the drone:


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[ThePythonicCow]

A confirmation that Zapata is now Harbinger, from Wikipedia no less: Harbinger Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbinger_Group):

Harbinger Group Inc. (NYSE:HRG), formerly Zapata Corporation, is a holding company based in Rochester, New York, and originating from an oil company started by a group including the former United States president George H. W. Bush. Various writers have alleged links between the company and the United States Central Intelligence Agency. In 2009, it was renamed the Harbinger Group Inc.
That's an interesting choice of name. Google has this definition:





harbinger

noun

a person or thing that announces or signals the approach of another.
"witch hazels are the harbingers of spring"
synonyms: herald, sign, indication, signal, portent, omen, augury, forewarning, presage

[ThePythonicCow]

However ... it seems that Harbinger sold their stake in INMARSAT a few years back.

From Reuters, October 2010: Harbinger sells half of Inmarsat stake (http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/05/us-inmarsat-harbinger-idUSTRE6940ZP20101005)
From NYTimes, February 2011: Harbinger to Sell Remaining Inmarsat Stake (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/02/07/harbinger-to-sell-remaining-inmarsat-stake/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0)

This was not just a simple investment however. Both Harbinger and INMARSAT are heavily involved in cellular and satellite communications, as explained in detail in this DailyWireless.org article: Harbinger Sells Inmarsat Shares (http://www.dailywireless.org/2011/02/07/harbinger-sells-inmarsat-shares/).

By the way, that sale of INMARSAT stock by Harbinger was conveniently timed, to say the least. As told in this article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/8367115/Harbinger-hedge-fund-escapes-66m-loss-on-Inmarsat-stake.html) in the UK Telegraph, INMARSAT stock dropped sharply in March 2011, when their CEO downgraded earnings, warning that its customers were cutting back on expensive satellite calls in favour of cheap emails.

[Limor Wolf]

Why is a Twin of the Missing MH370 in a Hanger in Israel? - See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14652

... indeed, why?

Well, following my pet theory:

... isn't it obvious?!

Let's see... assuming one is a hacker and wants to find all the flaws Microsoft left unhandled in its Win 7 or win 8.1 operating systems... what does the hacker do?

It seems to me that such a competitor would get its hands on a specimen and start tinkering with it... right? And perhaps, while at it, find ways to outsmart the official remote system in order to make it the competitor's own... right?

Hey Amzer Zo, I would say that might be true from a citizen's point of view, but I believe that operation wise any inteligence organisation won't conduct itself in such an amateurish way. The Malaysian Air craft that is parking in the hangar in Israel was purchased from an international company GA Telesis (http://www.gatelesis.com/) that deals with dismantling old aircrafts or either convert them from passanger carriers to cargo. It is also reasonable to assume that there is a surveillance on which country buys which aircrafts and for which purpose, we can also be pretty sure that no important technology, electronic or otherwise was left on the "twin" malaysian air plane when it changed hands via this purchase and even earlier. And every Boeing model from the same type is pretty much identical to the other.

Saying that, about a week ago I researched a little using key words and found some old news items (2012) originating from a secondary Israeli press source that may be of interest.. The first one is 'saturated' with an Israeli agenda, of course, but worth to read for the 'between the lines' aspect:

".. the wild card is in Israel’s hand - with Electrnonic Magnetic Pulse (EMP) inscribed on it."


"What would an EMP attack look like?

If Israel chooses one of its Jericho III missiles to detonate a single EMP warhead at high altitude over north central Iran, there will be with no blast or radiation effects on the ground.

Coupled with cyber-attacks, Iranians would not know it happened except for a massive shutdown of the electric power grid, oil refineries and a transportation gridlock. Food supply would be exhausted and communication would be largely impossible, leading to economic collapse"

Read more here:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12017#.UL8ni-SE0sd

From two years ago -

A panel discussion was held on the threat of an Electromagnetic Pulse, or EMP, attack on the United States.

"It is estimated that Iran could launched such an attack in just a few years, and it would leave the U.S. essentially in the “Stone Age.”

"Ambassador Henry F. Cooper, director of the Department of Defense’s Strategic Defense Initiative Organization under President Reagan, concluded his own remarks by saying that EMP is an “existential problem,” and it is “ludicrous that our representatives are not providing comprehensive defenses that are needed.”

Read about it here -
http://teapartycommandcenter.org/forum/topics/low-tech-emp-to-send-us-back-to-stone-age?xg_source=activity

In the meantime, despite the accusations against Iran, it is apparent that the US and Israel are the ones developing the disastrous EMP technologies -
(financed by BOEING..)

"Today we make science fiction -a science fact", Says Boeing program manager, adding - "It was fantastic!"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhZLkmQ0jUE#t=37

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162868

"Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy, announced that “our government has been using EMP protection within the military and its continuity plan since the Cold War. The President and his men are well protected against EMP, including when traveling in Air Force One …"

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177314


And all that may link us to the 'Veterens today, Kevin Barrett's' article with regards to the disappearence of the Boeing 370 Paul has posted. Something there that was quoted has caught my attention and actually was on my mind for a while -


" Matthias Chang recently sent an email to MH-370 investigators in the alternative media with a “hint”":


“WHAT IF THE DISAPPEARANCE OF MH 370 IS SUCH THAT IF THE TRUTH BE KNOWN AS TO HOW IT HAPPENED IT WOULD NOT ONLY BE A SECURITY ISSUE, IT WOULD ALSO HAVE A GLOBAL IMPACT ON THE WORLD’S ECONOMY."

It may very well be that the 'how' is more important than the 'why', with the rapid development of electromagnetic technology, we are entering a new era very much timed and orchestrated by the global cabal that may or may not be related to cosmic battles and has the potential to crash the economy, my own speculation is that this is one way to present this to the public and start a war that would look like nothing we have seen before, and everything begins in one mysterious plane that disappered in March 2014.

[Hervé]

Hi Limor,

Thank you for the "intelligence" point of view :)

However, there may be a couple of points which may need to be reconsidered.

The first one, of course: where best to hide something?

Then, there is that comment you got from someone that the picture of N105GT at Tel Aviv airport was illegal or not supposed to have been taken.

The third is that, that N105GT plane flew from France to Tel Aviv, hence, I suspect that all its electronics were functional for the flight.

Finally, the company which sold it deals indeed in DISMANTLING airplanes for spare parts or conversion into cargo planes. Hence, what better ways to take the system apart and see what can be done with it as a test plane for a hacking system.

So, that's the idea. However, someone else might have one of those 777 in their backyard...


[...]

Hey Amzer Zo, I would say that might be true from a citizen's point of view, but I believe that operationally any inteligence organisation won't conduct itself in such an amateurish way. The Malaysian Air craft that is parking in the hangar in Israel was purchased from an international company that deals with dismantling old aircrafts or either convert them from passanger carriers to cargo.

[..]

Moreover, with an EMP device, all electronics are shut down guaranteeing a crash rather than a hacking of the system to turn it into a remote controlled plane.

The "how" it happened is indeed the key to the whole thing since there is no crash site, the plane did fancy climb up and down and then completely disappeared with, apparently, no signals of any kind emitted from any of the beacons except for the RR engines pinging their satellite every hour, for 6+ hours.

Hence my conclusion that someone's got a new toy and did a fine job of "playing" with it.

With my own doubt regarding the INMARSAT satellite data, I would look within a circle with a 6-7 hour-flight radius centered on the last known or alleged radar position because that plane would have to be within that circle whether landed or crashed.

[Atlas]

CNN's Richard Quest and Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak: "The PM says he's prepared to release the preliminary report on Flight 370 next week, even though he refuses to declare the plane lost."

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[ThePythonicCow]

It may very well be that the 'how' is more important than the 'why'
Yup - as I wrote over five weeks ago:


So ... that means they can't tell us.

My small brain can only think of two reasons they couldn't tell us ... either because of who did it, and/or because of how they did it.

[ThePythonicCow]

The "how" it happened is indeed the key to the whole thing since there is no crash site, the plane did fancy climb up and down and then completely disappeared with, apparently, no signals of any kind emitted from any of the beacons except for the RR engines pinging their satellite every hour, for 6+ hours.

Hence my conclusion that someone's got a new toy and did a fine job of "playing" with it.

With my own doubt regarding the INMARSAT satellite data, I would look within a circle with a 6-7 hour-flight radius centered on the last known or alleged radar position because that plane would have to be within that circle whether landed or crashed.
Personally, I don't trust any "information" from official government or corporate sources on this flight any further than I could throw a 777.

[gripreaper]

Personally, I don't trust any "information" from official government or corporate sources on this flight any further than I could throw a 777.

Since the triple seven weighs 660,000 pounds, I'm pretty sure I could not throw it at all. It's too heavy.

[Roisin]

Malaysia Airlines staff detained, attacked by angry relatives of MH370 passengers in China


KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Angry relatives of people missing on Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 held some members of the carrier's staff for more than 10 hours in a hotel in Beijing, the airline said on Friday.

The jetliner vanished on March 8 with 239 people on board while on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Many of the passengers were from China and their relatives have grown increasingly frustrated with the failure of a multinational search to find any trace of the plane.

More than 200 family members held 10 Malaysia Airlines staff after a briefing at a Beijing hotel, only releasing them early on Friday, the airline said. "Malaysia Airlines confirms that its staff were held at the Lido Hotel ballroom in Beijing by the family members of MH370 as the families expressed dissatisfaction in obtaining details of the missing aircraft," the airline said.

In another incident, a Chinese family member attacked a Malaysia Airlines security supervisor on duty at same hotel on Tuesday, the airline said. The member of staff sustained a light injury and the airline had filed a police report, it added.

The search for the missing airliner is likely to drag on for years, a senior United States defence official said earlier on Friday, as an underwater search for any trace of the plane's wreckage off west Australia appeared to have failed.


- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/malaysia-airlines-staff-detained-attacked-angry-relatives-mh370-pass#sthash.cXa9oBCc.dpuf

[observer]

Whenever one is involved in a criminal operation one will rarely surround one's self with any individuals other than those one can trust.

This criminal operation has it roots all the way back to the Dawn of Man. Any member familiar with my comments will know where I'm directing the focus for this continuing agenda. Most recently we can trace the evidential trail back to the Kennedy Assassination.

The same names keep reappearing throughout the trail of evidence.


Zapata Oil (now the Harbinger Group Inc.) is implicated in the Bay of Pigs invasion, and consequently an integral component of the Kennedy Assassination (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsMKMMlleOE).
Lee Harvey Oswald and Barry Seal (http://www.nndb.com/people/140/000129750/)were wing partners in the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol involved with flying guns to Cuba under the direction of David Ferrie the New Orleans CAP Commander, and confirmed CIA operative. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ferrie)
Barry Seal went on to fly guns to Nicaragua in exchange for drugs in the Iran/Contra affair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US).
The base in the US where all of this took place was Mena Airport (http://www.ncoic.com/clinton.htm)in Mena, Arkansas.
This airport was a key component of the Vincent Foster alleged suicide (Bill Clinton's Lawyer). (http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/trust.html)
And, of course, the Iran/Contra affair was directly associated with the Reagan White House through Oliver North (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/03/1199001/-Jeb-Bush-Oliver-North-and-the-Murder-of-CIA-Drug-Smuggler-Barry-Seal-in-1986).
The common denominator in all of this extemporaneous trail-blazing is George H. W. Bush. He was associated with each of the individuals in the list.


That criminal operation continues to this Flight 370 affair. It seems the Carlyle Group (another of Mr. Bush's assets) is directly involved in the mysterious disappearance.

Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29Cn1iyiJI

[Atlas]

Freescale employee was almost on missing airplane (http://www.azcentral.com/business/news/articles/20140310freescale-employee-almost-missing-airplane.html)

http://i.azcentral.com/i/f/9/7/L169_CIFR9f5734ebe3eec3453e5c35df1975879f.JPG
Wayne McCleve, pictured here with his wife Camette

Wayne McCleve (facebook (https://www.facebook.com/WayneMcCleve) - LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/wayne-mccleve/14/697/951)), 49, took a later morning flight instead of the flight that left the Malaysian capital at 12:41 a.m. Saturday. News bulletins about the missing Boeing 777-200 led to some anxious moments just after 6 p.m. Friday Arizona time for McCleve’s wife, Camette, 46, and their six daughters.

“I was (panicked) only for a little bit until I could confirm that was not his flight,” Camette said Monday. She said she checked her iPad to confirm her husband’s itinerary on a flight that took off hours later on Saturday morning. “I instantly got some relief,” Camette said. “I just couldn’t wait to talk with my husband.” She finally spoke with him at 4:30 a.m. Saturday Arizona time.

The Freescale workers were spending four weeks in Malaysia and four weeks in Tianjin, China, to set up processes for two new factories, Camette said. “He got to know them very well,” she said of the missing Freescale employees.



https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-frc3/t1.0-1/c12.12.155.155/s100x100/972243_10200795257100481_1605672483_a.jpg

My dad traveled from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to China yesterday and when we first heard this report we thought he was on this missing plane. Luckily my dad took a later flight but 20 of his coworkers are on that plane. I can't even begin to say how grateful I am my dad is ok and is coming home soon but I wish it was under different circumstances. My family and I know that divine intervention saved my dad's life and we feel incredibly blest. Can't wait to have him home on Tuesday!

Freescale declined to comment about Wayne McCleve and the employees on the missing flight.




Why hasn’t the company [Freescale] used Facebook as a platform to individually honor and profile each employee death? (source (http://www.owendunn.com/enterprise-risk-management-blog/freescale-semi-conductor-flight-mh370-and-lessons-on-managing-employee-death/))

[araucaria]

Whenever one is involved in a criminal operation one will rarely surround one's self with any individuals other than those one can trust.

This criminal operation has it roots all the way back to the Dawn of Man. Any member familiar with my comments will know where I'm directing the focus for this continuing agenda. Most recently we can trace the evidential trail back to the Kennedy Assassination.

The same names keep reappearing throughout the trail of evidence.



Zapata Oil (now the Harbinger Group Inc.) is implicated in the Bay of Pigs invasion, and consequently an integral component of the Kennedy Assassination (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsMKMMlleOE).
Lee Harvey Oswald and Barry Seal (http://www.nndb.com/people/140/000129750/)were wing partners in the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol involved with flying guns to Cuba under the direction of David Ferrie the New Orleans CAP Commander, and confirmed CIA operative. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ferrie)
Barry Seal went on to fly guns to Nicaragua in exchange for drugs in the Iran/Contra affair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US).
The base in the US where all of this took place was Mena Airport (http://www.ncoic.com/clinton.htm)in Mena, Arkansas.
This airport was a key component of the Vincent Foster alleged suicide (Bill Clinton's Lawyer). (http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/trust.html)
And, of course, the Iran/Contra affair was directly associated with the Reagan White House through Oliver North (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/03/1199001/-Jeb-Bush-Oliver-North-and-the-Murder-of-CIA-Drug-Smuggler-Barry-Seal-in-1986).
The common denominator in all of this extemporaneous trail-blazing is George H. W. Bush. He was associated with each of the individuals in the list.



That criminal operation continues to this Flight 370 affair. It seems the Carlyle Group (another of Mr. Bush's assets) is directly involved in the mysterious disappearance.

Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29Cn1iyiJI
We've been through all this stuff before. This lay (edit: may) well be part of it, but you would need to explain to me why the patent-holders' deaths were not established at some stage by producing bodies. A missing person is only legally presumed dead after a lengthy waiting period. These people may have spouses who are unable to remarry and presumably would continue to collect any income from the patent.

[Operator]

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We've been through all this stuff before. This lay well be part of it, but you would need to explain to me why the patent-holders' deaths were not established at some stage by producing bodies. A missing person is only legally presumed dead after a lengthy waiting period. These people may have spouses who are unable to remarry and presumably would continue to collect any income from the patent.


Very good point ... but what if there was a plan to crash the plane producing the evidence of non-surviving passengers
and somebody intervened? I think that the main reason we don't understand the whole scenario yet is because there
are several different elements at play instead of a straight forward executed plan.

[observer]

Whenever one is involved in a criminal operation one will rarely surround one's self with any individuals other than those one can trust.

This criminal operation has it roots all the way back to the Dawn of Man. Any member familiar with my comments will know where I'm directing the focus for this continuing agenda. Most recently we can trace the evidential trail back to the Kennedy Assassination.

The same names keep reappearing throughout the trail of evidence.



Zapata Oil (now the Harbinger Group Inc.) is implicated in the Bay of Pigs invasion, and consequently an integral component of the Kennedy Assassination (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsMKMMlleOE).
Lee Harvey Oswald and Barry Seal (http://www.nndb.com/people/140/000129750/)were wing partners in the New Orleans Civil Air Patrol involved with flying guns to Cuba under the direction of David Ferrie the New Orleans CAP Commander, and confirmed CIA operative. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ferrie)
Barry Seal went on to fly guns to Nicaragua in exchange for drugs in the Iran/Contra affair (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US).
The base in the US where all of this took place was Mena Airport (http://www.ncoic.com/clinton.htm)in Mena, Arkansas.
This airport was a key component of the Vincent Foster alleged suicide (Bill Clinton's Lawyer). (http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/trust.html)
And, of course, the Iran/Contra affair was directly associated with the Reagan White House through Oliver North (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/03/1199001/-Jeb-Bush-Oliver-North-and-the-Murder-of-CIA-Drug-Smuggler-Barry-Seal-in-1986).
The common denominator in all of this extemporaneous trail-blazing is George H. W. Bush. He was associated with each of the individuals in the list.



That criminal operation continues to this Flight 370 affair. It seems the Carlyle Group (another of Mr. Bush's assets) is directly involved in the mysterious disappearance.

Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29Cn1iyiJI
We've been through all this stuff before. This lay well be part of it, but you would need to explain to me why the patent-holders' deaths were not established at some stage by producing bodies. A missing person is only legally presumed dead after a lengthy waiting period. These people may have spouses who are unable to remarry and presumably would continue to collect any income from the patent.

Thanks for the 'bump' araucaria, but I believe you missed the point of my comment completely.

Comment #1481 had nothing to do with "bodies". Although if you listen to the video I offered around the 3:30 mark you will clearly hear that the patent ownership in question reverts to Freescale Semiconductor and not to the heirs of the principals involved.

This part of the evidence has nothing to do with the point of my comment.

Comment #1481 shows a trail of evidence, notwithstanding an incomplete trail. If one follows all of the available evidence one will see a much larger picture emerge aside from the facts surrounding flight 370.

If one looks at the Big Picture one can clearly see the usual suspects obscured behind all of the smoke-and-mirrors.

Flight 370 had nothing to do with ownership of patients, although it does appear that ownership will revert to the "last man standing". I'm certain The Carlyle Group will have no problem waiting for the final distribution of patent ownership."

Flight 370 was about ritual sacrifice. The appearance of those "usual suspects" in the ashes corroborates this interpretation of the evidence.

These individuals.... these usual suspects, are soul-less beings. They are possessed by hyperdimensional reptoid entities - call them archons if you prefer.

Regardless of the semantics the fingerprints of these soul-less individuals cover this template of mass ritualistic sacrifice, dating all the way back to the Dawn of Man.

This flight 370 event is just one more dot in an extremely complex array of dots forming a much bigger picture.

They are very clever at what they do....

[Hervé]

I wonder who else has got a toy that makes plane disappear...


Russian Su -24 scores off against the American "USS Donald Cook"


http://cdn.ruvr.ru/2014/04/21/1505240080/9RIAN_00185088.LR.ru.jpg


Russian Sukhoi Su -24 with the newest jamming complex paralyzed in the Black Sea the most modern American combat management system "Aegis" installed on the destroyer "USS Donald Cook". Pavel Zolotarev, Deputy Director, Institute of USA and Canada, shares details about this version which is being actively discussed in the Russian media and by bloggers.

US destroyer "Donald Cook" with cruise missiles "Tomahawk" entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10. The purpose was a demonstration of force and intimidation in connection with the position of Russia in Ukraine and Crimea. The appearance of American warships in these waters is in contradiction of the Montreux Convention about the nature and duration of stay in the Black Sea by the military ships of countries not washed by this sea.

In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer. However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex. According to this version, "Aegis" spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. And suddenly all the screens went blank.

"Aegis" was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information. Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated missile attack on the target. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times.

Read more: http://indian.ruvr.ru/2014_04_21/Russian-Su-24-scores-off-against-the-American-USS-Donald-Cook-5786/

[araucaria]

Although if you listen to the video I offered around the 3:30 mark you will clearly hear that the patent ownership in question reverts to Freescale Semiconductor and not to the heirs of the principals involved.

If you read my post, Observer, you will clearly see that I was not referring to heirs, I was referring to families of living persons. I do not agree that “They” have all the time in the world. On the contrary, there are many signs that they are working to a very tight schedule, with things like WW3 possibly more than fifty years behind schedule already.


They are very clever at what they do....

So you keep telling us. This is a very negative loser mentality to be undertaking anything.


Regardless of the semantics the fingerprints of these soul-less individuals cover this template of mass ritualistic sacrifice, dating all the way back to the Dawn of Man.

This flight 370 event is just one more dot in an extremely complex array of dots forming a much bigger picture.

If everything always boils down to the usual suspects doing their usual thing, then that is not “an extremely complex array of dots” at all: on the contrary, we always know, even in advance, whodunnit and why, and can respond to soulless destruction with mindless kneejerk reactions. What makes this case particularly interesting is that apparently something did not go according to plan, and maybe they are not quite so good at what they do as they would like us to believe. Things have been going pear-shaped for some time now, and this is what is alerting people to what is going on.

[panopticon]

Nothing found in the underwater search area so now a change of tactic announced by the Mad Monk:

A-e9Y1uhUGc
Article from Aunty on the new search phase available here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-28/abbott-says-mh370-search-moving-to-new-phase/5415764

Abbott/Houston press conference transcript available here:
http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/interviews/2014/april/tr011.aspx

-- Pan

[araucaria]

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: Malaysian prime minister admits lost plane WAS tracked by military radar

Najib Razak says nothing was done to identify or intercept aircraft because link was not known at the time




The Malaysian prime minister has finally confirmed reports that the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was tracked by military radar, as he prepared to host US President Barack Obama in Kuala Lumpur seven weeks after the plane disappeared.

Najib Razak said a preliminary report into the incident would be made available to the public over the course of the coming week. It is expected to raise the issue of how Malaysia’s air force and surveillance networks failed to track the plane once it lost contact with civilian air traffic controllers.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-malaysian-prime-minister-admits-lost-plane-was-tracked-by-military-radar-9293254.html

[Roisin]

A US defence official told Reuters on Friday that the sea search is likely to drag on for years as it enters the much more difficult phase of scouring broader areas of the ocean near where the plane is believed to have crashed.

Mr Obama said: “Obviously we don't know all the details but we do know the plane went down in the ocean in this part of this world. It is a big place and it is a very challenging and laborious effort. It is going to take quite some time.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-malaysian-prime-minister-admits-lost-plane-was-tracked-by-military-radar-9293254.html


Obama is saying that the plane went down into the Indian Ocean regardless of the fact that they do not know ALL of the details about what happened to it.

Does anyone see the contradiction in that statement? I mean, if they don't know all of the details about what happened to that plane, how can one then, in the same sentence, affirmatively state as a statement of fact, that it went down into that ocean especially when there's absolutely zero proof that that's what happened to it?

And notice that he didn't say it "crashed" into that ocean. All he said was that it "went down" ... so what does "went down" really mean? In normal everyday vernacular, if a plane crashed into the ocean, most Americans would say, "The plane crashed into the ocean". But Obama didn't put it that way and instead said that it "went down" into the ocean which is sort of a fuzzy way of saying that because it leaves everything open for more than one interpretation as to how it got into the ocean.

At any rate, at this point in the game, we need to read between the lines. In this case, him saying it "went down" as opposed to "it crashed" into that ocean may mean nothing at all.. but on the other hand, he could have stated it that way to obfuscate what really happened to it.

[Roisin]

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370: Malaysian prime minister admits lost plane WAS tracked by military radar

Najib Razak says nothing was done to identify or intercept aircraft because link was not known at the time




The Malaysian prime minister has finally confirmed reports that the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was tracked by military radar, as he prepared to host US President Barack Obama in Kuala Lumpur seven weeks after the plane disappeared.

Najib Razak said a preliminary report into the incident would be made available to the public over the course of the coming week. It is expected to raise the issue of how Malaysia’s air force and surveillance networks failed to track the plane once it lost contact with civilian air traffic controllers.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-malaysian-prime-minister-admits-lost-plane-was-tracked-by-military-radar-9293254.html

So coincidentally, Obama just so happens to be visiting Kuala Lumpur, after that plane has not been found in the area that our Navy directed the search at, at the same time the PM of Malaysia is finally announcing that his country's military radars tracked that plane whereas before, that information was more or less withheld from the public?

Could it be that our gov't had something to do with the PM's decision to not make such an announcement like that during the time when they were still searching for the plane in that area where those alleged black-box pulses were heard? That they told the PM not to make such an announcement at that time but now Obama, after visiting him to talk about everything, has finally given him permission to inform the public about that and that that radar data will be released to the public too?

Does this indicate the actual extent that our gov't has had concerning the search of this plane? That our gov't has been controlling what information could or could not be released to the public and that Malaysia' gov't has been obeying whatever our gov't has dictated in that area?

Is this a confirmation on what we already knew? That our gov't has been running the show all along including the information flow be it from them or Malaysia... including those other country's involved in the search too?

Wow, this really DOES sound like there's some kind of cover-up involved in the search of this plane... doesn't it?

[Roisin]

In 2003, a Boeing 727 was stolen and disappeared from an airport in Angola



On May 25, 2003, a Boeing 727 with the registration number N844AA - formerly owned by American Airlines - was stolen from Quatro de Fevereiro Airport in Luanda, Angola. A Miami-based company called Aerospace Sales & Leasing Co. was reported to be its last owner.

Most intelligence agencies believe the missing plane to be in the hands of terrorists or drug dealers.

N844AA was formerly owned by American Airlines, and was one of two at Quatro de Fevereiro in the process of being converted for use by an Africa-based airline. The aircraft had been sitting idle in Angola for 14 months, and it owed more than $4 million in backdated airport fees.

Reports conflict as to whether it was to be used by TAAG Air Angola, or if it was in the process of being converted to a diesel tanker, with seating removed and attachment of aluminium fuel tanks to the floor.

There were reports that a male boarded the aircraft, but was not seen leaving it. When the aircraft started taxiing down the runway, the control tower tried to make contact, but there was no response. The aircraft was seen to be making abrupt changes in direction while on the taxiways, and even during the takeoff run.

Reportedly, the aircraft was later in the airspace of Seychelles where it asked for permission to land, but disappeared shortly thereafter. It has not been seen since.

Ben Charles PadillaA 51-year-old mechanic from Florida named Ben Charles Padilla was aboard the aircraft during the theft, and is believed by U.S. authorities to have been at the controls of the aircraft during the theft.

Padilla's family have repeatedly stated that they thought he was kidnapped, and that he was in Angola only because the aircraft leasing company had sent him there to participate as an in-flight mechanic for the aircraft's impending flight to the company's headquarters.

There were unconfirmed reports of a struggle onboard during the theft, due to the fact that the aircraft made dangerous maneuvers while taxiing before and during takeoff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N844AA

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/3201872/

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/91406-727-stolen-angola-11.html

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BEN CHARLES PADILLA
LUANDA, ANGOLA
MAY 25, 2003

DESCRIPTION

Age: 50 years old Hair: Brown
Sex: Male Eyes: Brown
Height: 6'2" Race: White
Weight: Unknown Complexion: Light
Remarks: Padilla is a United States citizen from the state of Florida.

THE DETAILS

On May 25, 2003, at approximately 6 p.m. local time, an airplane took off from DeFevereiro International Airport in Luanda, Angola, with neither clearance nor a flight plan, and has not been seen since. The plane is described as a 200 series advanced 727 jet with a tail number of N844AA, and a serial number of 20985. It is unpainted silver in color with a stripe of blue, white, and blue. The plane was formerly in the air fleet of a major airline, but all of the passenger seats have been removed. It is outfitted to carry diesel fuel.

Law enforcement officials believe that Ben Charles Padilla may have been on board the plane at the time it disappeared. The FBI is interested in locating Padilla, as he may have information as to the whereabouts of the plane.

IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS CASE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST AMERICAN EMBASSY OR CONSULATE.

[Operator]

In 2003, a Boeing 727 was stolen and disappeared from an airport in Angola



On May 25, 2003, a Boeing 727 with the registration number N844AA - formerly owned by American Airlines - was stolen from Quatro de Fevereiro Airport in Luanda, Angola. A Miami-based company called Aerospace Sales & Leasing Co. was reported to be its last owner.

Most intelligence agencies believe the missing plane to be in the hands of terrorists or drug dealers.

N844AA was formerly owned by American Airlines, and was one of two at Quatro de Fevereiro in the process of being converted for use by an Africa-based airline. The aircraft had been sitting idle in Angola for 14 months, and it owed more than $4 million in backdated airport fees.

Reports conflict as to whether it was to be used by TAAG Air Angola, or if it was in the process of being converted to a diesel tanker, with seating removed and attachment of aluminium fuel tanks to the floor.

There were reports that a male boarded the aircraft, but was not seen leaving it. When the aircraft started taxiing down the runway, the control tower tried to make contact, but there was no response. The aircraft was seen to be making abrupt changes in direction while on the taxiways, and even during the takeoff run.

Reportedly, the aircraft was later in the airspace of Seychelles where it asked for permission to land, but disappeared shortly thereafter. It has not been seen since.

Ben Charles PadillaA 51-year-old mechanic from Florida named Ben Charles Padilla was aboard the aircraft during the theft, and is believed by U.S. authorities to have been at the controls of the aircraft during the theft.

Padilla's family have repeatedly stated that they thought he was kidnapped, and that he was in Angola only because the aircraft leasing company had sent him there to participate as an in-flight mechanic for the aircraft's impending flight to the company's headquarters.

There were unconfirmed reports of a struggle onboard during the theft, due to the fact that the aircraft made dangerous maneuvers while taxiing before and during takeoff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N844AA

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/3201872/

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/91406-727-stolen-angola-11.html

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BEN CHARLES PADILLA
LUANDA, ANGOLA
MAY 25, 2003

DESCRIPTION

Age: 50 years old Hair: Brown
Sex: Male Eyes: Brown
Height: 6'2" Race: White
Weight: Unknown Complexion: Light
Remarks: Padilla is a United States citizen from the state of Florida.

THE DETAILS

On May 25, 2003, at approximately 6 p.m. local time, an airplane took off from DeFevereiro International Airport in Luanda, Angola, with neither clearance nor a flight plan, and has not been seen since. The plane is described as a 200 series advanced 727 jet with a tail number of N844AA, and a serial number of 20985. It is unpainted silver in color with a stripe of blue, white, and blue. The plane was formerly in the air fleet of a major airline, but all of the passenger seats have been removed. It is outfitted to carry diesel fuel.

Law enforcement officials believe that Ben Charles Padilla may have been on board the plane at the time it disappeared. The FBI is interested in locating Padilla, as he may have information as to the whereabouts of the plane.

IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS CASE, PLEASE CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE OR THE NEAREST AMERICAN EMBASSY OR CONSULATE.

Makes no sense ... so it was idle on the airport for 14 months and yet it had fuel to take off and fly to the Seychelles? :suspicious:

[Roisin]

Here's another page of various news articles on that missing plane:
http://www.flightlinemalta.com/airaccidents/N844AA/


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Here's a somewhat different spin from CNN:

Missing jetliner spurs terrorism concerns

U.S. adds to military forces in Horn of Africa

Saturday, July 12, 2003 Posted: 12:46 AM EDT (0446 GMT)

Marine Brig. Gen. Mastin Robeson on the missing 727: The U.S. military "would not hesitate to shoot it down."

(CNN) -- The recent disappearance of a Boeing 727 along with a resurgence of terror activities near the Horn of Africa have spurred the United States to add new combat power to the region, the senior U.S. commander based in the area has said.

"We've been in a more aggressive posture for over a month," Marine Brig. Gen. Mastin Robeson, commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Djibouti on Friday.

The Horn of Africa sits across the Gulf of Aden from Yemen, which is the homeland of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

Robeson told CNN he had identified an "operational need" for Air Force F-16 and F-15E aircraft along with Navy F/A-18s, when a Boeing 727 vanished after leaving Angola's Luanda airport in May.

He has asked the Pentagon to reassign the aircraft to the French military base in Djibouti. It is unclear when the Pentagon might act on his request.

U.S. officials are not sure what happened to the 727, but they say the possibility exists that the aircraft is in the hands of terrorists. Other reports have suggested the plane's owner took it from the airport in a financial dispute.

"We have the ability to identify it from other airplanes in the air," Robeson said. He added that if it appears, the U.S. military "would not hesitate to shoot it down."

Robeson noted that all 727s in the region fly on approved commercial air routes, so if this plane were to appear suddenly, it would be deemed a threat. He noted the continuing threat of an attack from aircraft in the region.

Robeson said the U.S. fighter aircraft are being requested in order to pursue a "more aggressive campaign" against terrorists in the region now that the situation in Iraq no longer requires large numbers of aircraft to conduct missions.


The Horn of Africa sits across from Yemen, Osama bin Laden's homeland.
There have been intermittent deployments of fighters to the Horn of Africa in the past, but mainly on long missions that originate and then return to bases in the Persian Gulf.

By deploying from Djibouti, the planes could fly over the area for longer periods of time than planes that must refuel elsewhere.

Robeson said his request is for four to six aircraft to be deployed from Camp Lemonier on an intermittent basis. They would supplement French Mirage jets and radars providing air-defense coverage for the base.

But, he said, the planes could potentially be used to protect U.S. ground forces involved in any future military counterterrorism missions.

The request to put planes in Djibouti "signals an increased emphasis on the counterterrorism war in the Horn of Africa," Robeson said. According to the AP, Robeson referred directly to al Qaeda as a target of "selective actions."

Robeson told the AP that in the past four months, he's noticed "a pretty active flow" of terrorists into or through the Horn of Africa.

"We've definitely seen an increase not just in presence but in active transnational terrorist planning" he told the AP.

This week, a U.S. military assessment team has been at Camp Lemonier to try to determine what it would take to have the Air Force and Navy aircraft operate out of the base on a routine, temporary basis, according to a statement released by the Pentagon on Thursday.

The Combined Joint Task Force for the Horn of Africa, formed in late 2002, is charged with conducting any operations that might be needed to counter terrorist activities in the region, including in Yemen.

Between 1,300 and 1,600 U.S. ground forces are stationed at Camp Lemonier, according to the AP. They include infantry and special operations forces from all the services. Helicopters and refueling aircraft are based there, but no fighters or bombers, the AP reported.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/91406-727-stolen-angola-5.html



Yes, I am Joseph B. Padilla, SR.
I am the brother of the suspected pilot of the missing Boeing 727 from Angola on May 25 2003.
If anyone has any new information on the where-abouts of my brother, please e-mail me at, padilla1956@cox.net
I found your site today and I am hoping someone will know if the plane has been found or not.
Thank you,
Joseph B. Padilla, SR.
Phone - 850-944-9688
Pensacola, FL.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/91406-727-stolen-angola-5.html



From NBC(12/8):

Quote:
Investigators still do not what happened to a Boeing 727 cargo jet that vanished from an Angolan airport in May, but they have now concluded that the jet likely ended up being given a new appearance and put to use in Africa’s thriving illegal market for planes, possibly in gun-running or narcotics smuggling, U.S. officials and aviation experts told NBC News. Click “Play Video” for Lisa Myers’ report for “NBC Nightly News.”



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In Angola, A Jetliner's Vanishing Act
Boeing 727 Is Subject Of Search, U.S. Worry

By John Mintz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 18, 2003; Page A01


The Boeing 727 had not budged from its parking place at the airport in Angola's capital city for 14 months, so when the jetliner started taxiing down the runway, the men in the control tower radioed the pilot for an explanation. There was no reply from the cockpit, even after the plane rumbled to a takeoff into the African skies.

The plane has been missing since it took off from the Luanda airport around dinnertime on May 25, setting off a continent-wide search for its whereabouts that includes the CIA, the State Department and a number of African nations. Their fear is that terrorists could stage a replay of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, using the plane in a suicide attack somewhere in Africa.

U.S. authorities say it is likely the airplane was filched as part of a business dispute or financial scam. But even so, they say, there is a danger that unscrupulous people in control of a plane that size could make it available to arms or gem smugglers, guerrilla movements or terrorists.

It has been a commonplace for decades in Africa for the paperwork on commercial aircraft, especially small and mid-sized planes, to be dodgy, and for regulation to be extremely lax, industry officials said. Planes continually change ownership, and the aprons of some African airstrips are littered with wrecked aircraft stripped for parts.

But losing a 153-foot, 200,000-pound aircraft is no common occurrence.

"I haven't come across this before in 22 years in this business," said Chris Yates, a civil aviation security analyst for the private Jane's Aviation service. "It is not a stretch to think this plane could end up in the hands of terrorists. A number of companies involved in gun running [and other crimes] in Africa have indirect ties to various terrorist groups."

In the post-Sept. 11 world, even the possibility that terrorists could obtain a large aircraft prompts intensive government scrutiny. U.S. officials are alarmed because large swaths of Africa are under heightened alert for terrorism. Last month, 42 people, including 13 terrorists, died in a series of orchestrated suicide bombings in Casablanca, Morocco. In November, 16 people, including three terrorists, died in the bombing of an Israeli-owned hotel in Mombasa, Kenya.

Western intelligence officials say al Qaeda operatives are known to be casing possible targets in Kenya and other East African nations. On May 15, British officials suspended flights to and from Kenya after raising the perceived threat to its commercial flights there to the highest level, "imminent."

Homeland Security Department officials said that given the likelihood that thieves and not al Qaeda are behind the 727's disappearance, there is no cause for grave alarm.

"Yes, there is concern, and an ongoing search, but it is not one that could be described as a desperate search," said Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Roehrkasse.

U.S. spy satellites have snapped pictures of remote airstrips throughout Africa, starting with ones that are within half a fuel tank's distance from Luanda's "4 de Fevereiro" International Airport. The 28-year-old 727 had taken on 14,000 gallons of A-1 jet fuel shortly before it departed.

U.S. embassy personnel are traveling around Africa to ask host aviation ministries for any sign of the aircraft. "They haven't seen hide nor hair of it," said one government official. "It's so odd."

A large number of people and companies have owned, leased or subleased the aircraft in recent years. U.S. officials say that a few have been involved in shady endeavors. One firm recently involved in owning or leasing it, a U.S. official said, "has a history of allowing aircraft to be used by people for illegal things."

According to the private Airclaims airplane database, the 727's current owner is a Miami-based firm called Aerospace Sales & Leasing Co., which bought it in 2001 after it was flown by American Airlines for decades. In 1997, Aerospace Sales's president, Maury Joseph, was barred from running any publicly traded firm after he was convicted of forging documents and defrauding investors by exaggerating the profits of another company he ran, Florida West Airlines.

Joseph's son, Lance Joseph, said the company has committed no wrong. He said a firm that had leased the plane from Aerospace Sales -- a company whose name he said he couldn't recall -- had removed the seats and replaced them with fuel tanks. It flew the 727 to Luanda with a plan to deliver fuel to remote African airfields, he said.

According to the Airclaims database, a company called Irwin Air had planned to buy the 727 last month. No more information could be learned about the company.

Helder Preza, Angola's aviation director, told the Portuguese radio network RDP that the plane arrived in Luanda in March 2002, but that authorities prevented it from flying on because "the documentation we held did not pertain to the aircraft in question."

Angolan officials also demanded stiff ramp fees as well as settlement of private liens on the 727, Joseph said. Aerospace Sales was settling the disputes and planning to repossess the aircraft and fly it away when the 727 -- one of about 1,100 worldwide -- disappeared, he said.

Joseph also said that in recent months a former Aerospace Sales associate with whom he has had bitter financial disputes, Miami aircraft broker Mike Gabriel, had been in Africa stating that he planned to stop the plane's repossession and make a claim on it.

In the 1980s, Gabriel was convicted of importing 5,000 pounds of marijuana. He did not return messages left at his office requesting comment, and his attorney, Jack Attias, declined to comment.

Preza, the Angolan official, said that "the owner of the aircraft contacted us saying he wished to fly out of Angola." Then, he added, a man who presented himself as "the legitimate representative of the aircraft's owner'' -- a man Preza described as a U.S. citizen but whom he declined to name -- entered the aircraft. Moments later, Preza said, the man flew the plane away.

"The person who flew out the plane was no stranger to the aircraft," Preza said.

Another twist in the case is that the State Department is asking its diplomats in Africa, in searching for the 727, to ask host governments whether they have any information about two men that its cables say "reportedly" own the plane -- Ben Padilla and John Mikel Mutantu. The men are not listed as owners on any public database, and no other information about them was available.

Aviation expert Yates said the plane might never be located. "I suspect it's disappeared into the murky world of African aviation," he said.

Staff researchers Margot Williams and Mary Louise White contributed to this report.


© 2003 The Washington Post Company

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/91406-727-stolen-angola-3.html

[Roisin]

Makes no sense ... so it was idle on the airport for 14 months and yet it had fuel to take off and fly to the Seychelles? :suspicious:


This is the photo of that stolen 727's internal tankage setup (allegedly 6000 US gallons) - not sure if it is usable for range extension - or just A to B tankerage.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/91406-727-stolen-angola-7.html
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747Focal : from an earlier post :
quote :
American Airlines B-727 reg.#N844AA , and it was converted to a fuel tanker last year. It has ten 500 gallon aluminum tanks bolted to the floor with 4 inch valves on each tank joined together by 4 inch high pressure hoses leading to the aft where refueling is accomplished. There is also a very unique vent system which allows almost zero fumes into the aircraft. The tanks are held to the seat tracks in four corners buy half inch bolts.(I would hate to see where the tanks would end up if a few G's were pulled)

I do not think 5000 gal + full 727-100 does makes up for a full 767-300 , but I stand to be corrected.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/91406-727-stolen-angola-6.html

[mosquito]

Missing flight MH370 'found': Exploration company claims it may have located crashed passenger jet

Here's the latest piece of news, which could be promising, and not a little embarrassing to the authorities and "experts" if it turns out to be true



A marine exploration company based in Australia claims it may have located the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370 - 3,000 miles away from where authorities have been looking.....According to Australian news Channel 7 News, the Adelaide-based company GeoResonance says its own private research has identified elements on the ocean floor in the Bay of Bengal consistent with material from a plane.

Source:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-found-exploration-3470569

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Missing flight MH370 'found': Exploration company claims it may have located crashed passenger jet

Here's the latest piece of news, which could be promising, and not a little embarrassing to the authorities and "experts" if it turns out to be true



A marine exploration company based in Australia claims it may have located the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370 - 3,000 miles away from where authorities have been looking.....According to Australian news Channel 7 News, the Adelaide-based company GeoResonance says its own private research has identified elements on the ocean floor in the Bay of Bengal consistent with material from a plane.

Source:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-found-exploration-3470569

Thanks for the link mariposafe.

Video from 7 News mentioned in original article (https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23036893/exploration-company-believes-it-may-have-found-mh370/):

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Information on Georesonances use of former Soviet military tech out of Sevastopol National University of Nuclear Energy and Industry in Ukraine available here (http://georesonance.com/) and here (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/sa-business-journal/adelaide-company-georesonance-to-use-former-soviet-union-weapons-technology-to-search-for-for-oil-and-gas-in-sa-qld/story-e6fredel-1226631746538).

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MH370: Evidence of False Flag

Tuesday 29th April 2014 at 05:36 By David Icke


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‘On March 26, 2014, investigative journalist Chris Bollyn broke what has probably
been the most important story to date on the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370
(MH370). With the befuddled and clueless mainstream media (MSM) parroting what
the government was telling them and some theorizing anything from black holes to
alien abduction, Bollyn reported that there was a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777
identical to MH370 which had been stored in a hangar in Tel Aviv since November
2013.[1] For those knowledgeable of Israel’s long history of false flag attacks, the
implications of such a long shot “coincidence” were alarming and frightening.

In October 2013 a Ft. Lauderdale, Florida-based company, GA Telesis (“GAT”),
acquired a 15-year-old Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 (“GAT’s Malaysian 777”) from
Kuwaiti-based ALAFCO Leasing (lessor to Malaysian Airlines). GAT’s Malaysian 777
was flown to the relatively small and seasonal Tarbes Lourdes Airport in France’s
Pyrenees mountains around October 4, 2013.[2] This movement of the plane
coincidently occurred a week after President Obama announced that the US would
seek diplomatic solutions with Iran regarding its nuclear program. While the plane
was at Tarbes Lourdes, the Malaysian Airlines name on the plane was apparently
painted over, although the signatory red and blue stripes on the fuselage remained.’

Read more: MH370: Evidence of False Flag

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/26/mh370-evidence-of-false-flag/

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

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28 April 2014 Last updated at 07:15

Missing plane: Search enters 'new phase'

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Mr Abbott said it was now highly unlikely that any debris would be found on the
surface of the Indian Ocean

The search for the missing Malaysian plane is entering a "new phase", Australia has
announced, after the initial undersea search found nothing. PM Tony Abbott said
that "a much larger" area of the ocean floor would now be targeted.But he said it
was "highly unlikely" any surface wreckage would be found, and suspended aerial
searches.Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 went missing on 8 March as it flew from
Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. The plane, carrying 239 people, disappeared off radar
over the South China Sea.

Officials say that, based on satellite information, they believe it ended its journey in
seas north-west of the Australian city of Perth, far from its planned path.

Read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27184295