Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[observer]

"If you read my post, Observer, you will clearly see that I was not referring to heirs, I was referring to families of living persons."

On 24 March Malaysia Airlines announced that Flight 370 was assumed lost with no survivors. Unless there is some sort of credible evidence that 239 passengers and crew of Flight 370 have miraculously appeared somewhere in public, we must assume there were no survivors, and therefore, we are speaking of heirs, i.e. families of deceased individuals.

It isn't clear to me why you started this exchange with an hostile tone. My Comment #1481 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=827509&viewfull=1#post827509)was made with the intention of showing an historic pattern, i.e. a template. This reoccurring template can be traced all the way back to the first written words discovered within the archeological record.

My summation of this objective evidence continues to be, "they are very clever at what they do".


"So you keep telling us. This is a very negative loser mentality to be undertaking anything."

Any member is free to disagree with these conclusions. There is no reason to be hostile with that disagreement.

For you to characterize this interpretation of a clearly provable agenda, dating back to the earliest written records, and continuously reoccurring throughout written history, as a "negative loser mentality" causes me to wonder with whom I'm wasting my valuable time.


"I do not agree that “They” have all the time in the world. On the contrary, there are many signs that they are working to a very tight schedule, with things like WW3 possibly more than fifty years behind schedule already."

The evidence indicates a continuing agenda. This agenda permeates the historic record. The evidence conclusively points to ritualistic sacrifice as a key factor in that continuing agenda. Considering several millennia of time running a continuing agenda with no apparent interruption in that agenda, I would have to disagree with your conclusions.

There is simply no credible evidence that any world conditions are improving. The reality of the matter is that the global conditions are spiraling ever-downward, and that the global elite have more wealth, resources, and power than they ever did in human history.

One must keep in perspective, while there is a continuing dialectic at work on the Mass of Humanity, there is only one Global Elite. These Elite have always controled the helm of Human Affairs.

Therefore I must reiterate,

"regardless of the semantics, the fingerprints of these soul-less individuals cover this template of mass ritualistic sacrifice, dating all the way back to the Dawn of Man.

This flight 370 event is just one more dot in an extremely complex array of dots forming a much bigger picture."

There has always been the promise of a Bright New Dawn, just over the horizon. Although this promise has continued throughout human history, humanity has never experienced this foretold future - and the situation is getting progressively worse.

The complexity, araucaria, of the dots lies in the ability for an hyperdimensional species to continuously manipulate Humanity into a confused state of reality through the influence of Telepathic Messages. Grasping an understanding of this concept will reveal a much bigger picture.

***add***

I continue to submit Flight 370 was a ritualistic sacrifice, dating-back to antiquity an historic template of ritualistic sacrifices, and that the usual suspects were behind it - based on the evidence provided in the video offered in Comment #1481 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=827509&viewfull=1#post827509)

[araucaria]

Observer, what you perceive as hostility in my post merely reflects the fact that, while we are on the same side, we seem to be pushing in opposite directions. To show how your pessimistic refrain is defeatist and self-fulfilling, let me indicate how, strategically, in my opinion, this ‘battle’ is being fought and won. You don’t need to be versed in exopolitics to see that an age-old scenario is being played out. Contrary to what you claim, there is any amount of evidence of this alternative ‘template’. You find it in the actions of war-mongers and sporting champions as well. It goes like this. On the basis of a few early confidence-building wins, an aura of invincibility is gradually achieved which is itself enough to defeat most opponents, who start out with the self-fulfilling idea that they have no chance. This situation is gradually reinforced until someone comes along who hasn’t been told that defeat is certain, and then others join the fray realizing that they are in with a chance; and every time someone wins, the unbeatable one takes a further step towards ordinariness and worse. The elite are no different and are gradually being toppled from their pedestal by increasing numbers of people who just don’t see them as being invincible. It’s all a question of confidence; if you haven’t got any confidence, then you are being carried by whoever does.

Take Hitler for example. Tactically speaking, he won his victories through bold thrusts engineered by the likes of Mannheim and Rommel. When things eventually got tough, as they were bound to do, he used this policy of attack when he should have been defending. This caused his undoing in Normandy, when he stepped into the trap that led to the Falaise pocket closing round most of his troops and materiel. In other words, it was when he was furthest advanced (doing well, as he thought) that paradoxically his position finally became hopeless. He hadn’t noticed that the tide had turned.

Strategically speaking, Hitler’s attacking style caused him to overstep against the USSR, partly because of an unreliable ally. He thought Japan had pinned down Russian armies in the east, but Japan was more interested in fighting the US, and so Stalin was able to unleash extra troops in the west. Of course, Hitler was caught up in the template: he copied Napoleon, thinking he could expect a different outcome. He very nearly succeeded. Stalin took a huge risk on the basis of a couple of spy reports. This goes to show both that templates can become extremely powerful, but that they can be overcome, sometimes quite suddenly. The Cold War hardened into the concrete form of the Iron Curtain, then one fine day, at its strongest, the whole thing collapsed. Not many saw that coming.

This can be seen in terms of Rupert Sheldrake’s morphic resonance. We form habits, which become increasingly ingrained and self-reinforcing. Saying things like ‘These Elite have always controled the helm of Human Affairs’ is merely contributing further to perpetuating that control. But new good habits can be formed and bad old ones overcome. Sheldrake even describes the ‘laws’ of physics as being more like habits that can be changed. No one is saying it doesn’t take time. This alternative reality has been building up for a very long time already as well, and imminent for quite a while too. False dawns are inevitable when dawn approaches. The boy who cried wolf did so because it was a very real event that needed advance warning and which ultimately materialized, only his timing was out.

If you can’t see anything positive in the world today, consider that we now have upwards of six billion normal, decent human beings on this planet on the verge of realizing that they don’t have to sing to this hymn sheet any more. In terms of sheer manpower, in the twentieth century alone we progressed in leaps and bounds. Like the Russian troops defending Moscow, there are just too many of us now. That is a huge advantage that no amount of crying ‘sheeple!’ can change. Why? Because, even if they are possibly not overly concerned about the big picture, they are still immortal souls available to make their unique contribution.

To bring this back on topic, you are seeing the MH370 incident in the static terms of the old paradigm. No one disputes that the usual suspects like to do their usual thing, but others here are trying to fit it dynamically into the shifting paradigm – by seeing how ‘they’… are losing their touch.

[observer]

Thank you for your eloquence, araucaria. You obviously have a passion for your faith.

The concept to which you subscribe is simply that, one of faith.

In the history of Homo Sapiens this faith-based concept has never worked. Just ask a Cathar. Oh no, you can't because they were all massacred by agents of those Reptoid/Archons, The Holy Roman Catholic Church. Just in case you were unaware, the Cathar were possibly the most Love-based civilizations ever to emerge on the planet.

I shouldn't need to list all of the ritualistic genocide permeating history to make a point that history has a way of repeating itself.

Now, to wane philosophic for just a moment, the reason history repeats itself, here within this particular reality, is that you are dwelling among the fallen. This place is a place of the fallen.

This message of the fallen permeates most of theology dating-back into antiquity.

Individuals are here, within this 3-D universe, either because they have fallen, or they chose to be here.

If one feels that they are one of the latter, I would suggest you spend your energies, while here among the fallen, to help those whom you volunteered to come rescue to extract their eternal soul from this place of vile obscenity.

There is no changing this particular reality, it was created to be this way to contain the fallen.

Of course, this is simply my subjective interpretation. You can resonate with it if you choose. Or you can simply walk away. The choice is yours.

I might add one postscript to your example of Hitler's Folly.

Although it is common knowledge that Hitler was defeated, few understand that it was really the German people who lost the Second World War. Nazi Ideology continues to live-on within the ranks of the Global Elite.

The delusion of Nazi Ideology simply morphed into a new paradigm of control mechanism.

This is the nature of this particular reality. It cannot be changed.

Wishing you Love.... for eternity....

[araucaria]

This is the nature of this particular reality. It cannot be changed.

"Panta rhei" (Heraclitus):
"Everything changes and nothing remains still ... and ... you cannot step twice into the same stream"

:focus:

[boja]

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2200&category=Environment

Link above to an article on Linda Moulton-Howe's website today.
This gives a POSSIBLE theory taken from the internet via an anonymous source, concerning the fate of "Flight 370".

[Hervé]

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2200&category=Environment

Link above to an article on Linda Moulton-Howe's website today.
This gives a POSSIBLE theory taken from the internet via an anonymous source, concerning the fate of "Flight 370".

Thanks boja!

We are getting closer to the practical scenario that occurred...

So, following and extrapolating in the direction of my own footsteps... (see post # 1467 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=826661&viewfull=1#post826661))... it's getting rather close:

From the http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2200&category=Environment articles, the "Talibans" got their hands on something that can control the US top secret drones... debunked by a retired US Navy captain that no such a thing would ever be within combat zones, etc... sure... sure... no one would be that stupid... but for... stupid, right?

Anyway, somebody's got their hand on that toy I have been talking about, you know, that thing that could drone away a fly-by-wire commercial jet... beside reverse engineering a Tel Aviv stored 777, how about reverse engineering that super-secret, high tech US military drone, you know, the one that landed intact in Iran:


Capture of the drone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident)

The government of Iran announced that the aircraft was brought down by its Cyber warfare unit stationed near Kashmar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmar)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-prtessTV10-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-7) and "brought down with minimum damage"[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-8) They said the aircraft was detected in Iranian airspace some 225 kilometers (140 mi) from the border with Afghanistan.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-9)

The government of the United States initially claimed that its forces in Afghanistan had lost control of a UAV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAV) on 4 December 2011 and that there was a possibility that this is the vehicle that crashed near Kashmar. According to unnamed U.S. officials, a U.S. UAV operated by the Central Intelligence Agency was flying on the Afghan side of the Afghanistan-Iran border when its operators lost control of the vehicle.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-bbc8-10)[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-11) There have been reports that "foreign officials and American experts who have been briefed on the effort" state that the crashed UAV was taking part in routine surveillance of Iranian nuclear facilities inside Iranian airspace.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-12)

The drone appeared to be largely intact, except for possible minor visible damage on its left wing. Dan Goure, an analyst at the Lexington Institute, stated the largely intact airframe ruled out the possibility of an engine or navigational malfunction: "Either this was a cyber/electronic warfare attack system that brought the system down or it was a glitch in the command-and-control system."[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-13) However, some US officials state the drone broke into three pieces during impact. They claim that it was reassembled for display purposes and was painted by Iran to hide the damage.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-14)
Now, how many of those have been "landed" somewhere else and reverse-engineered?

Because once one has the drone, with a bit of head-scratching, one also has the joy stick to fly it from anywhere!

Of course, to belittle Iranians' cyber capabilities, some say it was ETs intervention that landed them the craft so they could reverse-engineer it... "Beware Greeks bearing gifts" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67668-Courtney-Brown-Announcement-for-February--now-March--2014&p=827356&viewfull=1#post827356)!

Now, who else has been eviled by the US for hacking into their systems and even providing their defense system with remote controllable chips...anyone remembers those campaigns?

Anyway, once one has the joystick to remote fly commercial jets AND US suprehightech military drones... sorry for the pun, but... the sky is no limit!

Indeed, someone's got more than Boeing by the throat!

[panopticon]

Missing flight MH370 'found': Exploration company claims it may have located crashed passenger jet

Here's the latest piece of news, which could be promising, and not a little embarrassing to the authorities and "experts" if it turns out to be true



A marine exploration company based in Australia claims it may have located the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH 370 - 3,000 miles away from where authorities have been looking.....According to Australian news Channel 7 News, the Adelaide-based company GeoResonance says its own private research has identified elements on the ocean floor in the Bay of Bengal consistent with material from a plane.

Source:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-flight-mh370-found-exploration-3470569

Thanks for the link mariposafe.

Video from 7 News mentioned in original article (https://au.news.yahoo.com/sa/a/23036893/exploration-company-believes-it-may-have-found-mh370/):

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Information on Georesonances use of former Soviet military tech out of Sevastopol National University of Nuclear Energy and Industry in Ukraine available here (http://georesonance.com/) and here (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/sa-business-journal/adelaide-company-georesonance-to-use-former-soviet-union-weapons-technology-to-search-for-for-oil-and-gas-in-sa-qld/story-e6fredel-1226631746538).

-- Pan

Just an update on the Bay of Bengal site. Houston says it's worth looking into however it's not in the Australian search area and not on the projected search arc so not part of his job.

###

Houston confident MH370 will be found (http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/05/01/houston-confident-mh370-will-be-found.html)
Updated: 6:31 am, Thursday, 1 May 2014

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Retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston says claims that missing wreckage from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 could be in the Bay of Bengal are worth following up.

Adelaide technology company GeoResonance claims its sensor technology has found a plane in the Bay of Bengal, south of Bangladesh and in an area at the northern part of the original search for the commercial airliner.

Although the marine exploration company - which specialises in geophysical surveys to find oil, gas, groundwater and uranium - has not declared the discovery is MH370, it says the possibility should be investigated.

But Australia's Joint Agency Co-ordination Centre, which is leading the search, said the location of MH370 suggested by the GeoResonance report was not in the Australian search and rescue zone.

'The Australian-led search is relying on information from satellite and other data to determine the missing aircraft's location,' JACC said in a statement.

'The location specified by the GeoResonance report is not within the search arc derived from this data.'

JACC said it was satisfied that the Boeing 777 was in the southern part of the search arc.

Authorities have called off the aerial search, but are continuing with their transition to an intensified undersea search in the southern Indian Ocean.

Bluefin-21, which has completed its search of the 314 square kilometre area around the detections made by the towed pinger locator, will continue to search adjacent areas in the hopes of finding the wreckage.

Mission 17 will begin when weather conditions improve to allow Bluefin-21 to be safely launched from the Australian vessel Ocean Shield, JACC said.

The ill-fated flight was carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it vanished on March 8.

Source (http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/05/01/houston-confident-mh370-will-be-found.html)

[araucaria]

beside reverse engineering a Tel Aviv stored 777,

Amzer Zo, have you any idea why it had to be a Malaysia Airlines 777 if reverse engineering was all that was involved? Why take the risk of bringing in a banned airline when presumably any other 777 would have done just as well? I imagine it would likely have something to do with the manner in which this particular aircraft was ‘acquired’.

[Hervé]

[...]

Amzer Zo, have you any idea why it had to be a Malaysia Airlines 777 if reverse engineering was all that was involved? Why take the risk of bringing in a banned airline when presumably any other 777 would have done just as well? I imagine it would likely have something to do with the manner in which this particular aircraft was ‘acquired’.

From the point of view of the scenario I am following, it doesn't really matter which airline it was bought from. However, N105GT is sitting in Bedek quarters (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=820594&viewfull=1#post820594) which is a branch of IAI (Israeli Aerospace Industry).

From the point of view of the company that purchased it, it probably was the only one in flying order that was closest by.

As for the swapping of airplane idea, Limor does have a good point (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=826748&viewfull=1#post826748) unless explosives, mini nukes and that sort of things are common goods transported via Tel Aviv International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv_International_Airport)...

Now, reversing some propositions, why not target a Malaysia 777 rather than an American Airline one BECAUSE it has a "twin" sitting at Tel Aviv airport that's sticking out like a sore thumb (Malaysia airlines banned from Israeli airspace)?

Sorry, no more ideas for the moment :(

[Agape]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27242522

Missing flight MH370: Relatives told to return home (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27242522)


Malaysia Airlines has asked relatives of passengers on board flight MH370 to leave the hotel accommodation it is providing and return to their homes.

It is closing the family assistance centres set up after the plane vanished on 8 March with 239 people on board.

The airline promised to keep relatives up to date on the search operation.

Meanwhile, a report by Malaysia's transport ministry has recommended the introduction of real-time tracking of commercial air transport.

The ministry's air accident investigation bureau said there had now been two occasions over the past five years when large passenger planes had gone missing and their last position was not accurately known - MH370 and Air France Flight 447 in 2009.

"This uncertainty resulted in significant difficulty in locating the aircraft in a timely manner," the report noted.


Flight MH370: Audio recording reveals final cockpit communications
There is no requirement from the International Civil Aviation Authority (ICAO), the UN body that oversees global aviation, for real-time tracking.

Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein also released for the first time the recordings of conversations between MH370's pilots and air traffic controllers. A transcript was published earlier this month.

The plane's cargo manifest and seating plan was also published by Mr Hussein, along with a summary of events from the disappearance of the plane's radar blip until activation of the Rescue Co-ordination Centre.


That's not wise , not great , too early after such disaster ...


:faint:

[Atlas]

MH370 cargo manifest:

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2001.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2002.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2003.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2004.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2005.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2006.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2007.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2008.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2009.ashx/

[Atlas]

The report released by the Transport Ministry:

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/report_1.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/report_2.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/report_3.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/report_4.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/report_5.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/Actions%20Mar%208_1.ashx/
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/Actions%20Mar%208_2.ashx/

[Atlas]

Last audios:

Part 4 of 5: Kuala Lumpur approach directs Flight 370 to waypoint IGARI before handing off to radar controllers.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interactive/2014/04/world/malaysia-flight-documents/media/04-mh370-lumpur-approach.mp3

Part 5 of 5: This exchange is the last contact flight controllers have with Flight 370.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/interactive/2014/04/world/malaysia-flight-documents/media/05-mh370-lumpur-radar.mp3

More: http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2014/04/world/malaysia-flight-documents/

[Atlas]

Possible northern paths:


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/mikhailpath.jpg


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/victorpath.jpg

[araucaria]

Cargo included 200 kg of lithium batteries accompanied by 2.3 tonnes of other items not mentioned on the manifest
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html

[Atlas]

In a statement last night, MAS revealed for the first time that the rest of the consignment with the batteries consisted of radio accessories and chargers:


About two tonnes, equivalent to 2,453kg, of cargo was declared as consolidated under one master airway bill (AWB). This master AWB actually comprised five house AWB. Of these five AWB, two contained lithium ion batteries amounting to a total tonnage volume of 221kg. The balance three house AWB, amounting to 2,232kg, were declared as radio accessories and chargers.
http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/01/MH370%20cargo%20manifest%20Page%2005.ashx/

[Slorri]

The irony of the battery of the black box going dead with all those lithium batteries onboard.

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[Atlas]

IGP rubbishes Daily Mirror report, says alleged militants not probed over plane's disappearance (http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/05/04/MH370-IGP-rubbishes-Daily-Mirror-report/)

http://www.thestar.com.my/~/media/Images/TSOL/Photos-Gallery/Nation/2014/05/04/IGP.ashx?w=620&h=413&crop=1&

Malaysian police denied a Daily Mirror report which claimed that the 11 alleged militants arrested in Kedah and Selangor last week were being interrogated on the disappearance of Flight MH370.

"That's rubbish! This has nothing to do with the plane," Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar told The Star on Sunday.

[Gil Carlson]

Where is The Malaysian Airliner?

I wonder if REMOTE VIEWERS have been used to try and locate this missing plane? I know that they have had success locating downed planes in the past.
Did you realize that some amazing Info has even been obtained by several Remote Viewers who have actually viewed aliens! There’s a book out there detailing some of these remote viewers interactions with aliens.

Now, using the same procedures used by the military to spy on enemy targets, with a very high success rate, some of these military remote viewers have actually spied on aliens! Not only on or near our planet, but also some more distant locations!

Check out this website to see how it works:
blue-planet-project.com Remote-Viewing-Aliens-Book

[Slorri]

MH370: Remote viewing and psychic sleuths

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2014/05/04/mh370-remote-viewing-and-psychic-sleuths/

[avid]

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2014/05/the-mother-of-all-2014-conspiracies-mh370-missing-nuclear-materials-planes-grounded-and-pakistan-video-2462404.html

The Mother Of All 2014 Conspiracies: MH370, Missing Nuclear Materials, Planes Grounded And Pakistan (Video)
Sunday, May 4, 2014 9:21
(Before It's News)
By Susan Duclos

When are a number of coincidences considered “too many?” Official reports as to why hundreds of California planes were grounded due to a “cold war relic U-2 plane frying the air traffic controller systems and backup systems, ignore other events that happened that day as well as weeks before.

The video below details these “coincidences,” but here is a quick rundown with links provides below.
• Nuclear materials go missing from Pakistanon April 18, 2014
• Nuclear materials missng from Pakistan are reportedly being kept in the UK, divided into three parts and set tobe transported the US
• A “glitch” grounds planes in the UK Tuesday, April 29, 2014
• Similar “glitch” grounds planes in California on Wednesday, April 30, 2014
• Reports claim weird sounds from Ocean, phones “busy” and odd national guard movement in California on April 30, 2014.
• Pakistan, where nuclear material reportedly went missing on Aprl 18, 2014, is exactly where retired Lt. General Thomas McInerney said a source confirmed the missing Malaysia Flight 370 was flown to.

The question has to be asked….. were those nuclear materials brought into the US deliberately and covered up?

More in the video below.
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For links to each report, go the main link at the top of this quotation.
Very thought-provoking indeed! :suspicious:

[Cidersomerset]

Patsies Found: Eleven terrorists with links to Al Qaeda have been arrested on
suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of MH370


Monday 5th May 2014 at 07:14 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/article-0-074F507800000514-356_634x286.jpg


‘A group of 11 terrorists with links to Al Qaeda were yesterday being interrogated on
whether they are behind the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The suspects were arrested in the capital Kuala Lumpur and in the state of Kedah
last week and are members of a violent new terror group said to be planning bomb
attacks in Muslim countries.

The interrogations come after international investigators, including the FBI and MI6,
asked for the militants, whose ages range from 22 to 55 and include students, odd-job
workers, a young widow and business professionals, to be questioned intensively
about Flight MH370.’

Read more: Patsies Found: Eleven terrorists with links to Al Qaeda have been
arrested on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of MH370

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619388/What-havent-told-cargo-MH370-Mystery-deepens-missing-flight-claims-loaded-2-3tonnes-items-not-listed-manifest.html

[Ahnung-quay]

Curious that the number of terrorists is 11; the almighty number! And, that the ages are 22 to 55; two more master numbers. The sacrificial lambs were chosen by the numbers; can't help but wonder?

[Atlas]

Malaysian police said that the 11 terrorists are not linked to MH370.

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Several anomalies in audio recording (http://www.audioforensicexpert.com/malaysia-flight-370-air-traffic-communication-is-edited-latest-news/):




I had the opportunity to listen to the recording and have several concerns from an audio forensic perspective:

First, the very beginning of the recording is of high quality and the background ambiance and noise floor are very low. This is the quality we should expect with the technology that is available today. Then, at approximately 00:01:14 in the recording, the tone changes. At first listen it sounds as if a digital recorder is being held up to a speaker to create this portion of the recording. An edit occurs at this time, transitioning the higher quality to the lower quality recording. In addition, the background noise floor increases, while the tonality and quality of the voice communication decreases. I believe that the portion of the recording from 00:02:06 to 00:02:15 was created with a digital hand held recorder because noise in the room where the recording takes place can be heard, such as a drawer closing and papers being shuffled. There are also long gaps or silence in the communication where the room ambiance and background noise continue to be heard. Then at approximately 00:06:17 the conversation is clipped by an edit. Shortly thereafter the quality of the recording goes back to the same high quality as in the very beginning.

As an audio forensic expert I feel that with the technology and tools available today; why wouldn’t the Malaysian government have released a high quality version of this entire recording? Also, why would they only release parts of the recording and not the complete recording? Surely the conversation must have been longer than seven minutes before Flight 370 went missing.

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[avid]

contantly wondering..

All of this is so confusing - do I go down the 'Diego Garcia' route to disappear a plane, and the 'twin plane' Israeli fiasco used to transport nuclear Pakistani stolen nuclear stuff that we don't know existed, (9/11 Mossad again?) or do we believe there was any stolen nuclear stuff and its strange distributions to USA?

Too many glitches in warnings to shut down airports lately, in both the `uK and the south of USA.

So - are we are awaiting another nuclear 'false flag', just as democracy goes down with the FEDS and the Cliven Bundy (next WACO) fiasco, or there is an economic 'blindfold' on MSM and the dollar is scratched into oblivion... Don't sell your gold teeth yet - the bottom of the market is way-off bottom!

[donk]

My opinion/intuition: like 911 was a distraction from the completion of the total capture of the global finance system, this is a distraction from the complete capture of the food supply by Mansanto and associates...misdirection.

[Hervé]

How 'bout this:

US F-35 jets unable to escape radars: Aviation Week (http://www.sott.net/article/278714-Trillion-dollar-US-F-35-jets-unable-to-escape-radars-Aviation-Week)
Thu May 8, 2014 11:38AM GMT


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s9/184820/full/F_35_Joint_Strike_Fighter_AA_1.jpg

US warplanes, under the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, are incapable of escaping Russian and Chinese radars, a report says.

“The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter... is not, in fact, stealthy in the eyes of a growing number of Russian and Chinese radars,” the Aviation Week recently reported.
The report said the F-35 is not even effective in “jamming enemy radar.”
The US Department of Defense is spending “hundreds of billions of dollars” for a “fighter that will need the help of specialized jamming aircraft,” the Aviation Week stated in its report.

It said Russian armed forces have been equipped with a “highly counter-stealth radar system” – unveiled at an air show near Moscow in August 2013 – that is able to “track small targets.”

Production of the F-35 military aircraft has faced technical issues, cost overruns and delays.

Some experts say flaws in the F-35 fuel tank and fueldraulic systems have left it even more vulnerable to lightning strikes and other fire sources including enemy fire.
KQ/HSN/SL

... compared to this:


I wonder who else has got a toy that makes plane disappear...


Russian Su -24 scores off against the American "USS Donald Cook"


http://cdn.ruvr.ru/2014/04/21/1505240080/9RIAN_00185088.LR.ru.jpg


Russian Sukhoi Su -24 with the newest jamming complex paralyzed in the Black Sea the most modern American combat management system "Aegis" installed on the destroyer "USS Donald Cook". Pavel Zolotarev, Deputy Director, Institute of USA and Canada, shares details about this version which is being actively discussed in the Russian media and by bloggers.

US destroyer "Donald Cook" with cruise missiles "Tomahawk" entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10. The purpose was a demonstration of force and intimidation in connection with the position of Russia in Ukraine and Crimea. The appearance of American warships in these waters is in contradiction of the Montreux Convention about the nature and duration of stay in the Black Sea by the military ships of countries not washed by this sea.

In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer. However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex. According to this version, "Aegis" spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. And suddenly all the screens went blank.

"Aegis" was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information. Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated missile attack on the target. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times.

Read more: http://indian.ruvr.ru/2014_04_21/Russian-Su-24-scores-off-against-the-American-USS-Donald-Cook-5786/

... no wonder NSA classified any data on MH370 disappearance... someone got a better toy than anybody else!

[GoldenWaters]

Hello, I am new on here and I have to say i am amazed with how you kept up with the MH370 story, I will be doing much reading from your thread, I have much interest in his story because I currently live in Malaysia as of this month the 18th will be 13 years here. My time here I have encountered many strange incidents similar to this story but not of planes, but ghost terrorists and incidents, thats a whole different story though, I just wanted to give you 10 stars for a well informed and detailed layed out approach to keeping up with this story... Oh I am an American 100% Yankee...lol anyhow just glad to find your thread...:wave:

[GoldenWaters]

Many of the folks here have their own theory where the plane is at and the Government here knows actually where too...Like most here we suspect the plane was not hijacked by terrorists nor the pilots went rogue, instead most here believe the plane is 100% on Diego Garcia, all the pings and speculations were being kept far from that island which is U.K. island rented out to the American Air-force and Navy.
I think after 6 days in the Indian sea we already suspected something is wrong with these reports and stories from the media's. like 9/11 the worlds most top engineers debunked the Bush and news theories of the towers being struck by planes that was passengers planes, much evidence is starting to focus they were Air-force remote controlled jets and were flown into the towers and pentagon, anyhow the MH370 story has similarities as the worlds top engineers again were being debunked by the CNN and Governments of the world.. Even an Alien would know when a craft crashes on land or at sea it would be scattered to shreds and all over the sea, and yet not even a dust ball was found, over and over the story kept us glued to all the BS in hoping it be found,but like me and most who thinks like me, that plane never crashed at all, matter of fact it may be parked right now in Diego Garcia, or already painted and flown to another undisclosed area ready for some terror plot, being Americans and knows all about the Political BS our past few presidents has put us through I have no doubt on that plane in the cargo was weapons that just maybe was meant to pass to the Chinese Muslim Uyghur's, when something went sour or maybe the Chinese suspected something on that plane was on its way the Malaysia had to do away with that plane quickly and so came up with the idea making it lost or downed, my real theory Americans found out way before the Chinese did and put the Malaysian on the global spot with the worlds governments and so they being so proud of all their lying mistakes they just kept pretending they knew nothing and lied to America at first, and when the internal investigations was in motion they most like discovered the plot and instead exposing them to the Chines as you know Malaysia and Americans have high interest in China's affairs they forced the malaysians to bring forth all these impossible theories and mis-leading areas where the plane might be,having CNN sugar coat it all trying to divert the world of what the truth is they made up many of ther scenario's as well, so what is the smoking gun? The story of how the plane at mass speed would crash into the sea with no damage to it all, what is the possibility of this happening? Zero. No plane in history ever had an outcome like this, the story was getting stupid each time they had them media conferences... I suspect those folks on that plane were hired American actors,intertwined with a few real passengers and the plotted the world unsolved mystery... No real engineer will buy the plane at max speed thousands of feet in the sky would just do a soft crash and sink without any possible debris. It's all bogus i tell you, This plane has a purpose and I bet in less than a years time some event going to happen and it will be by some plane, most likely the MH370 plane, painted and ready for crashing duty somewhere in the world soon near whoever.... This is the most bizarre story ever told, dont you find it odd Obama has not mentioned much about it but everything else he has? Yeah something does not sit well, I am afraid that plane is destined somewhere in America. Thanks for your thread, it took much built up pressure to realease here... Peace Be With You... :)

[TODD & NORA]

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[bogeyman]

-JzmK3-tIvQ

[bogeyman]

Explains why the NSA refuses to confirm or deny the existence or non existence of records pertaining to this event

[spiritguide]

Explains what? British and Australian intelligence have nothing to report either. Deceit is different at all levels. Question everything.

Peace!

[Pweeky]

The voice off is the same of RT..

[Atlas]

Duncan Steel, 2014 May 06 (http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/751):

On Monday I sent the following email message to the Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACCmedia@infrastructure.gov.au) in Canberra, Australia (a nation of which I am a citizen):


Dear Sir or Madam,

In the mass media today there have been various reports regarding a meeting of those investigating the loss of Malaysia Airlines flight 370, to occur on Wednesday in Canberra. For example, the following appeared in The Guardian (London):

Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, said: “We’ve got to this stage of the process where it’s very sensible to go back and have a look at all of the data that’s been gathered, all of the analysis that’s been done, and make sure that there are no flaws in that.”

Might I ensure that you are aware of the analysis by a variety of people with knowledge of both the space/satellite sector and also the avionics and communications systems, all available on my website: duncansteel.com

As an example, on April 2nd I posted an analysis that indicated that the Inmarsat modelling of the satellite-derived information appears to be incorrect in that a northern path for MH370 cannot be excluded: http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/507

I have already discussed and critically reviewed this analysis with a wide range of colleagues, including aeronautics/aviation staff at NASA-Ames Research Center, where I work part of the year.

Regards,
Duncan Stee

The following is the complete (obviously pro forma) reply that I received:


The ATSB’s MH370 search group has been established since Australia’s involvement in the search for MH370. The group initially based at AMSA is now at the ATSB.

This group has been working closely with the MH370 joint investigation team of experts and in particular, the satellite communication subgroup, who will be visiting the ATSB this week to continue the review of information that will assist in progressing future underwater search planning. The work of the groups will be ongoing in the coming weeks as the underwater search planning progresses.

The satellite communication subgroup comprises experts from the ATSB, UK Air Accident Investigation Branch, the US National Transportation Safety Board, Inmarsat and their respective technical advisers.

Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC)

[...]

Anyone reading this website should now go read that article (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/why-the-official-explanation-of-mh370s-demise-doesnt-hold-up/361826/) in The Atlantic. It is clear, well-written, and essentially sets out the reasons for the various efforts from many people on this website.

[bogeyman]

Explains what? British and Australian intelligence have nothing to report either. Deceit is different at all levels. Question everything.

Peace!

You know in a recent conversation with NORAD stated they have the ability to detect something to size of a nut a bolt in space, and it works both ways. The US has satellite surveillance which covers ever portion of the earth, don't you think that they already know what has happened to this aircraft? The video clip is interesting regarding the individuals that were on board the flight. Check the story see if what has been said is true as best as possible.

[Lifebringer]

If these murderous old geezers don't think that we will die to expose their fanantically greedy take over of the world, they are beyond psychosis, and bordering on dementia.
We will not begin our history in this century, nor leave this world, without correcting the corruption of greed, warmongering corporate nation sales of low wage workers, and child slavery/homework to be done by our children. NO. This is our job to prosecute them as our forefathers during WW2 and any other fanatical regime. So what they are rich. You can't buy the heart, only the politician. You can't buy the vote, only the "cheat in a election" if not checked.

This is our mission. To lay the ground work and do as much as possible to S&F these scoundrels of profit over life and send them to the darkest dungeons of hell in our prison system, to face all those spirits they murdered. If we cannot do this peacefully, then our hearts of courage must prevail and call them out publicly so that the "need to know" is known and the prosecution of the people's voices in the election, will be heard loud and clear.

I for one am down. I watched a nun in Congo that works with the "returning girls of kidnappers and child sex trade" they and their children are kept away from the communities and seek sanctuary in a church she started for them. She quoted on PBS last night when Charlie asked her "aren't you afraid of dying?"
Sister Niyirumpe: "I am speaking up for these voiceless girls and children abused and sold and with nowhere to go. WE as a world must stop this evil trade of our girls that destroy their lives forever. They train them to kill their own family, or face death themselves. If I die, I will see it as GOD saying my work is done here, I am not afraid of dying for these girls."

Some have had to murder little brothers and sisters that were too much of a burden crossing rivers with them on the back. It's horrible to relive having to "hack your baby sister to death, but one girl suffers acute trauma, for having to choose her life over her little sisters.

Now, just to get your mental juices flowing, I wanna run a question by you on this: "If anonymous can find it, don't you think the "original/actual" tech saavy Obama Team is gathering all this up also? After all, they got these guys to unravel w/their blessing to help untangle the web." I say this because, they never really went after these guy and eventually released them to continue to seek all that is hidden. That is Anonymous "intent" and mission to reveal the corruption, since they treat us as anonymous and do not follow the people's wishes for government.
2. You don't hear them point at this current administration, and they are evidently smart in science, technology to find it all out and bring it back. Perhaps, these last two years, this President will bring down the "prosecutorial Obama foot" that we saw slip out every once and awhile in truth during the primary against Hillary. Perhaps the web is almost unwound, with a few loose ends to tie/gather, before the justice hammer drops. If the alphabets can employ NAZI's, our government can hire citizens that want this crap ended in our generation. We've lost Presidents and generation after generation of plundering our financial institutes like a NATIONAL "PIGGY" BANK.

Somebody has to do it, with all they keep shoveling distraction after distraction, to him, he's really pretty busy w/cabal nation/bee hive right wingers/swats among their populations, fanning the flames for war around the world, and wearing the nation's uniform. Putin knows this also. Two superb chess players and the new POPE. All aware of the game that sunk their people/country to it's knees. I ask that you pray for he and his family to be safe as this is done. He's ready now, and he's not running fore gate keeper/pitchfork preventer again. Pope knows he needs an ally to fix all that he can, that is wrong because America's reputation was in shambles after Bush/Cheney. The Queen got duped into dodo stocks and bonds, and they didn't as you saw, just pillage America, they pillaged the world and raised war in all that they could, according to their agenda to control it all.
I can see the President growing some grey hair. Wrinkles in his forehead trying to protect his family, when a move has to be made against the cabal. Just saying, I won't cast judgement, because I don't know all there is to know, but I know he listens and I know he cares, and I know he's thinking: "What if that happened to Sasha and Malia, what happened in Africa? How would Michelle handle the pain of them missing and harmed by some psycho mad man?

Da, da, daaa. You know what's coming, Pirates, Osama, Jaime Diamond, MadOff, and soon many, many others, will meet the determination of this President to do the right thing for not just every mother around the world, whos voices have been "crying to the winds of change," for justice for their children.(especially after the Ohio kidnapping of 3 girls) He's a DAD. Direct, Assertive, and at times Deadly, when facing evil and protecting children.

This religious fanatic guy, blaspheming Allah/God, is the root of all the pedophilic supplies of children in Africa.:wizard:

That "dee dee dee" religiously delusional:lalala: fanantic, has met his match in "his egotistical gauntlet tossed."
President will handle it very, very, safe and concise, no matter how they separated them in groups.
Anonymous mission. President's spiritual mission to not leave his children in this mess, as much as our own. WE need to be just as vigilant and lend a hand when we can in issues of the heart of mothers and children suffering. He can see this in Michelle's eyes, and every Grandmother, Mother, Sister, Daughter, that is wearing red around the world. He's our President too. He was raised by Granny and Mom, so expect swiftness, to ease the pain in the hearts of these families crying for the return.
This is what I gleened and usually, I don't open as much, but was told to go ahead and just release all you know in your heart. There are people here, that know I don't bs when it comes to my soul and it's warrior women mission for truth and protecting mothers for the future. I see myself like Harriet or Sojourner, and I will not be silent this century until it's all corrected and followed by the laws equally of, for, and by the flesh and blood/soul people of the world.

My mission is not to stop telling the truth until the death, so they just best be aware, I'm a bored retired and not afraid to seek worker of good, that has her mission firmly in place. If the tv/media won't put it out, drop it everywhere, the media is NOT, until they use the people's truth as their story, not some corporate editor for ads/CEO.

I had to have two e-addresses separate from political/grassroots. I know both sides issues of the people, and we talk, like we do here. I used to bashblog when a troll would come on, and for this, I was put on a cheer leading for good side only(when people say something of compassion and good/fan them don't respond otherwise.) I can be a real two sided sword of justice at times. What some would call, "a pistol." My guide warned me multiple times about being so compassionate and just dropping links and slaying liars on important issues pertaining to women at this time that were being ignored. 6 single college educated daughters who chose education out of poverty, over being a looking for loove drop out teen, w/minimum wage future, surrounding them growing up.
So I spoke up loud and clear, and was silenced on a AOL/coup at HuffPo. Some times I can be very direct and concise also, and not care where the blade went as I slashed through lies being posted. "My bad, I'm working on it, very hard. As a human being on Earth, I'm not perfect, but I can try. Steve Harvey put it one way that fit. "I'm not whole yet, I'm workin on it, but, I'm not whole yet." LOL
Lots to do for a once "vibrant" looking candidate for justice and fair play, but then grey hair just adds distinguished gentle aging.
2.These girls I just spoke of will see that the "world cares for them too."
"A mother's cry from the wilderness, will be answered.":cool:

[Lifebringer]

The elites couldn't sneak in and do dirty deeds around the world w/out detection.
With a radar technology like that, they'd be cold busted every time they did some black op program.
Must be the nucleus of the cabal cell's detection protection, at the expense of all those lives.

Ohhh...God. I see "Lurch, on the Adam's Family" when I say that, shaking his head at the inevitable bust coming. They can't hide all those people with GPS satellite imagery and all I want to know is, if there is a "creamatory oven on that base in the S/Pacific" off Australia's coast?
That would be the only way they could hide it, unless they fed the bodies to the sharks to cover their trail of murder. Australia has lots and lots of sharks and a deranged military in bed with powers that were. Worldwide chaos, they hope to make a one world corrupt government with. Agenda 21 on steroids got careless.
Perhaps the reason for the "Goldfinger song sung at one of the WH PBS shows? LOL
Gold finger has sharks too off on some island.:eyebrows::boxing:
Keep an open mind people, that's all I'm saying.:yo:

[Hervé]

Thanks buares, this is very damming:


The Troubled Graph (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/05/why-the-official-explanation-of-mh370s-demise-doesnt-hold-up/361826/)

But the graph defies these expectations. Taken at face value, the graph shows the plane moving at a significant speed before it even took off, then moving toward the satellite every time it was pinged. This interpretation is completely at odds with the official conclusion, and flatly contradicted by other evidence.

The first problem seems rather straightforward to resolve: the reason the frequency shifts aren’t negative is probably that Inmarsat just graphed them as positive. Plotting absolute values is a common practice among engineers, like stating the distance to the ocean floor as a positive depth value rather than a negative elevation value.

But the problem of the large frequency shift before takeoff is more vexing. Exactly how fast does the graph show the plane and satellite moving away from each other prior to takeoff?
... because, when one inverts the maps published by INMARSAT, guess where the outermost (now innermost, as in mirrored from last known position) arc encompasses?

I've always been suspiscious of those data (see post # 1154 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=818819&viewfull=1#post818819), I was thinking, then, more of the way a double echo gets misinterpreted like in echo sounding, taking the reflected signal/echo because the direct signal is too difficult to decipher/measure) but this indicates a PR + cover-up psyops!

So, when MSM points the finger at one direction to look at... check the direction the other three fingers are indicating :)

[Bill Ryan]

-JzmK3-tIvQ

Many thanks for this, and I've just merged that standalone thread ('The real reason why the Malaysian Airline MH 370 Disappeared') with this one. The video by Anonymous was dated 21 April, two and a half weeks ago, and although it summarizes the Freescale scenario extremely well, I think it properly belongs here as an important part of the wider discussion.

[avid]

Another load of questionable reportage? or not...?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/09/mh370-new-evidence-shows-additional-israeli-connections/



MH370: New Evidence Shows Additional Israeli Connections

by Keith Maart, for Veterans Today

This paper provides important updates to an article published on Veteranstoday.com on April 26, 2014, entitled: “MH370: Evidence of a False Flag”. Among other important findings, that article presented as evidence the following facts or inferences:

• GA Telesis (GAT) had an identical Malaysian Airline Boeing 777 to MH370 sitting in a hangar in Israel when MH370 disappeared on March 8, 2014.

• Although an apparent legitimate business operation, GAT also appears to act as an intelligence front organization.

• GAT’s founder and CEO, Abdol Moabery, was in the U.S. Navy and evidence suggests that he is probably associated with Naval Intelligence.

• GAT acquired an Israeli-run aviation company in 2011 which probably had contracts and connections with the Israeli government and military.

• Naval Intelligence in Diego Garcia was probably involved in MH370’s disappearance and the plane was apparently flown there the morning of March 8, 2014.

• The above evidence suggests that MH370’s disappearance was part of a false flag operation (now exposed) involving Naval Intelligence and Israel to frame Iran and foment a war with that country.

This article provides several important updates to my original article which strengthen the above findings and provide additional evidence that MH370’s disappearance was probably related to the exposed false flag operation. In particular, it will provide new information showing Israel’s motives and means to carry out a covert operation to falsely implicate Iran that would have probably resulted in a bombing attack against Iran. The new evidence also suggests that Abdol Moabery is probably an Iranian Jew who stood to benefit along with Israel and certain institutions in the U.S. from a war that would have decimated Iran and probably toppled the current Iranian regime in favor of a more friendly one to the US and Israel.

New GAT Press Release Still Mum on Their Malaysian Airlines 777 in Israel. My original article noted that GAT was nearly two months late in issuing their fourth quarter 2013 press release summarizing the quarter’s operations and stating their intended use for the Malaysian Airlines 777 sitting in Tel Aviv. Three business days after that article was published GAT finally released their fourth quarter 2013 operating summary along with the first quarter 2014 results. Although GAT noted that they acquired a Boeing 777 during this time period, they did not state the plane’s carrier name or the intended use for their Malaysian Air 777 like they have in some previous press releases. Thus the status of GAT’s Malaysian Airlines 777 \

in Israel is not known at this time.
This author called Rebecca Longo of GAT several times during the week of May 5, 2014, to try to confirm the current status of GAT’s Malaysian Airlines 777 and its intent for the plane. Ms. Longo is Vice President of GAT’s Aircraft Systems Group and the contact person on the press release. Despite leaving several messages on her voicemail stating that I had a couple of questions relating to the April 30, 2014, press release, Ms. Longo never returned the call. Although Ms. Longo told me on April 2, 2014, that the plane was in Israel for eventual scrapping, that does not appear to be the case. Current FAA records show that the GAT’s Malaysian Airlines 777 is not retired or disassembled and has a current registration valid to October 2016.

Confirmed: George Soros Provided GAT Seed Money. The original article noted that Moabery probably did not have the money to start a capital intensive business like GAT and that its ownership is not known because it is a privately held company. It’s now been confirmed that Hungarian Jewish billionaire George Soros did provide the start-up funds for GAT in 2002. Moabery apparently worked for one of Soros’s companies, C-S Aviation, as Director of Marketing and Sales. However, Moabery’s internet autobiography does not include the dates that he worked for C-S Aviation, and his stated position with the company appears to have exceeded his supposed navy and college experience at the time.

Per a 2009 article in Smart Business Network, Soros provided GAT’s seed money in the form of a loan that was allegedly paid off 18 months later (loan probably from a Soros related company). It’s not known if Soros retains an ownership in GAT and it appears that there may be as many as five other owners. A 2009 article in Smart Business Network noted that Moabery along with five industry friends launched the company in 2002. However, the names of Moabery’s friends are not known or if they have an ownership interest in GAT.

New Information Relating to GAT’s 2011 Acquisition of Israeli-Run Company. The original article noted that GAT acquired the Israeli-run company, Ultimate Aircraft Composites (UAC), in January 2011, and that its former Israeli CEO, Aviv Tzur, was the Executive Chairman of GAT’s subsidiary company, GA Telesis Composite Repair Group (GAT CRP). Despite Businessweek showing that Tzur holds the Executive Chairman position, people at GAT and its subsidiary did not know Aviv Tzur when I called GAT. In a phone call I had with Tzur on May 5, 2014, Tzur claimed that he had no association with GAT or any of its subsidiary companies. However, in a phone call with investigative reporter Chris Bollyn, Tzur stated only the guys at the top of GAT would know about his position with the company.

When acquiring UAC, a GAT press release noted that UAC had contracts for the repair of military components for various governmental and military agencies, and that the acquisition would make GAT more competitive in this area. I asked Mr. Tzur which governments UAC had contracts with but he stated he would not divulge this information. With Tzur and other senior officers of UAC being Israeli, it is probable they had contracts with Israel’s government. A pertinent question at this point is, did GAT’s Malaysian Airlines 777 in Tel Aviv have anything to do with Tzur, or the probable Israeli government connections of UAC, or did Moabery already have Israeli connections? Tzur further noted in the phone call that he had known Abdol Moabery for a “long time.”

Why Malaysia was a Likely Israeli Target Along with Iran. Malaysia was one of the first countries to recognize the State of Palestine in the United Nations in 1988 (there are currently a majority134 countries in the UN that do this). In January 2013, to the dismay of Israeli leaders, Malaysian Prime Minister, Najib Razak, became the first non-Arab head of state to visit the Gaza area in a show of support for the Israeli-blockaded enclave. In November 2013, the unofficial, Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission (“KLWCC”), found Israel guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people and found former Israeli general Amos Yaron guilty of crimes against humanity and genocide for his involvement in the Sabra and Shatila massacres. However, the KLWCC carries no penalties for the guilty and is basically symbolic in nature.

Those who know Israel know that Malaysia’s recent stinging slights to the State had another Israeli war criminal Arial Sharon turning over in his eight year coma. It would not be out of the ordinary for Israel to wiretap and blackmail officials in the Malaysian government to go along with their demands, like the pathetic and probably corrupt second-world Malaysian police official(s) who insanely stated that their blatantly photoshopped pictures of the alleged Iranians with the stolen passport was because they photocopied one photo over the other.

Unlike the many wealthy but worthless Arab countries in the Israel/Palestine region, Malaysia has shown a will to stand up to Israel, but apparently paid a price when MH370 became part of an Israeli/US attempted false flag operation. Fortunately, Israel’s part in the operation was exposed this time around before they were able to execute it and good prevailed over evil in this instance. Unfortunately, Israel’s and U.S. neocons decade long quest to attack Iran under false pretexts is not going to end with this small set back and we may not be as lucky with their Plan B.

Moabery’s Motives and Means: Evidence Suggests Abdol Moabery is Probably of Iranian Jew Descent

My original article noted that little is known about Abdol Moabery before he started GAT in 2002. Very little information could be found on his early years or if he was even born in the USA. Evidence uncovered in the last two weeks suggests that Moabery is probably an Iranian Jew who could benefit in several ways if the US ever attacked Iran and toppled its current regime. Although the evidence is not 100% conclusive, it provides a number of material facts showing that Moabery is probably of Iranian Jewish descent (first or second generation). The question at this point is why does Moabery seem to be hiding his Iranian and Jewish roots?

The surname Moabery is very unusual and a nationwide search of people with that last name turned up only four people (excluding Abdol’s wife, Cathy) in the entire U.S. The four people’s names are Abdol, Robebeh, Esfandiar, and Roozbeh. All these Moabery’s appear related as they all shared two similar residential addresses in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles. All four of these first names are also Persian names with Esfandiar (father) and Robebeh (mother) appearing to be Abdol’s parents and Roozbeh appearing to be Abdol’s older brother. In fact, Abdol may be named after the ex-Iranian statesman and diplomat Abdol Sardari. Sardari is best known for saving the lives of many Jews during the Holocaust and is often referred to as the “Schindler of Iran.” It would be appropriate for an Iranian Jew to be named after a Jewish savior like Abdol Sardari.
One of the few confirmed facts about Abdol before GAT is that he graduated from William Taft High School in Woodland Hills, California in 1985. Somewhat more bizarrely, Abdol apparently played a bit part in a 1988 B movie. According to popular movie website IMDB, Abdol Moabery played a dancer in a nightclub in the action movie “Deadly Addiction.” This would have been during the time that Abdol probably should have been in the US Navy.

In addition to Abdol’s Jacksonville, FL and Warrenton, VA addresses discussed in the original article, he also shows about a half dozen previous addresses in the southern Palm Beach County towns of Delray Beach and Boca Raton, Florida. This immediate area was also home to several 9/11 alleged hijacker cells and most of Moabery’s addresses were 5 to 10 miles from the hijacker’s apartments with one of Moabery’s homes being only a quarter mile from pilot hijackers Marwan Shehhi’s apartment. The Southeast Florida area also has the third highest Jewish population in the US and the second highest Jewish concentration. Strangely, one of Robebeh Moabery’s (Abdol’s apparent mother) old addresses is a “Navy Unit, Fleet Post Office,” an address which suggests she may have been in the US Navy or spent some time on a navy ship for some reason.

The Los Angeles area has the largest Iranian and Iranian Jewish population in the USA, with many Iranians coming to America after the Shah of Iran was overthrown in late 1979. Although the numbers are somewhat debatable and fluid, estimates of the L.A. area Iranian and Iranian Jew population is approximately 400,000 to 500,000, and 45,000 to 72,000, respectively. Thus L.A.’s Iranian Jew population appears to approximate 10% to 15% of the total area’s Iranian population. Interestingly, the affluent town of Beverly Hills has one of the highest percentages of Iranian Jews at approximately 26% of the total population. Many of the Iranian Jews now in the US prospered under the Shah of Iran and would benefit significantly from a war with Iran that would result in regime change re-installing a secular Iranian government.

There’s miniscule doubt that Moabery is of Iranian descent, the only question is when did he and his family move to the US and whether he is an Iranian Jew. According to Wikipedia and other sources, the San Fernando Valley towns of Tarzana, Woodland Hills, and Encino have sizable Iranian Jewish populations. It just so happens that the two San Fernando Valley addresses that are common to all four Moabery’s are in Tarzana and Woodland Hills. In fact, the Tarzana address is about a half mile from the Jewish Temple Judea. Many orthodox and other religious Jews live within walking distance of a temple because of the tradition of not lighting a fire on the weekly Sabbath (such as a car’s ignition to drive to a temple).

The last piece of evidence suggesting Abdol Moabery is probably an Iranian Jew is his surname. Although apparently neither a typical Iranian or Jewish surname, the name Moabery has Judaic biblical significance. According to the Torah, Moab was the son of Lot, and therefore the nation of Moab was related to the Israelites. The Moabites settled east of the Dead Sea (present day Jordan), had a highly developed culture, and spoke the Hebrew language. During the Exodus period, part of the Moab kingdom was taken by the Amorites but Israel would later capture the territory. Coincidently, a worldwide search of the surname Moabery turned up no matches in any country. Are the Moabery’s religious zealots who think their lineage goes back to the biblical Moab, and if so, might they be capable of acts of religious extremism for Israel?

Although not totally conclusive, the above evidence indicates that Abdol Moabery is almost certainly of Iranian descent and is probably an Iranian Jew. It also appears that Moabery probably has direct connections to the Israeli government from GAT’s acquisition of the Israeli-run company UAC. Couple Moabery’s probable Jewish identity and Israeli connections with his likely naval intelligence associations and you have an individual highly motivated to assist in a false flag operation that would implicate Iran and benefit Israel and certain elements of the US military-industrial complex. Israel, Naval Intelligence, and even the mysterious Abdol Moabery had the motives, means, and opportunities to participate in an attempted covert operation to frame Iran and to help initiate a long sought war with the country that would benefit all of them.

A war and regime change in Iran would undoubtedly provide geopolitical and economic benefits to certain individuals and institutions in the US, to Israel, and even to Iranian Jews who once flourished under the US supported corrupt and brutal Shah of Iran. Obama’s call for a diplomatic resolution to Iran’s nuclear program is not something that the US military industrial complex and Israel wanted to hear. With about four hundred one-ton bunker buster bombs at Diego Garcia waiting to be used against Iran, and the country with the second largest oil reserves in the world wanting peace, the war mongering parties do not want anything to do with diplomatic solutions. Although Israel’s and the US military’s role in a false flag operation has been exposed in this case, these parties will not stop at this slight setback and that’s why it’s important to keep attacking these morally twisted individuals and institutions before they attempt to attack again.

[bogeyman]

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1443730/full-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-passenger-list

The passenger list it might be worth looking for those men mentioned in the video by Anonymous

[Atlas]

So far, I've been able to identify 11 of the 20 Freescale employees:


34 - Chan Huan Peen
42 - HOCK KHOON Wan
43 - LIN KEONG Tee
45 - Yap Chee Meng
50 - MATRAHIM Nor Fadzillah
51 - Tong Soon Lee
58 - Suhaili Mustafa
66 - RAMLAN Safuan
67 - Muzi Yusop
75 - Guan Huajin
96 - CHUN HUA Wang

6 more to go... :)

Edit: blind prophet (http://kritterbox.com/Thread-I-need-some-research-help-with-Freescale-employees-on-the-Malaysian-plane) found some more:


35 - Lee Sew Chu
36 - Ng May Li
59 - Lee Kah Kin

3 more to go...

[bogeyman]

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/flight-370-philip-woods-girlfriend-sarah-bajc-got-death-threat-n100446

Flight 370: Philip Wood's Girlfriend Sarah Bajc Got Death Threat

Strange but interesting

[bogeyman]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/09/20_freescale_employees_missing_on_mh370/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/09/20_freescale_employees_missing_on_mh370/

articles mentioning the 20 employees etc.

[bogeyman]

ZC2jnX5lZlE

http://www.4key.net/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-patents-patents-patents/

Both concern the patent ownership of the micro chip. Covering their backs ?

[Bill Ryan]

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This story is now doing the rounds. The source appears to be a message posted to the 'Q-Alerts' section of Steve Quayle's website. What's copied below is exactly as originally posted (typos and all), except that I broke up the one very long paragraph to make it easier to read.

http://stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=924





MH 370 THIS EXPLAINS IT ALL! - Air Force source high up the food chain in the 5 sided building on the Potomac. NOTE THIS WAS RECVD LAST WEEK BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED ON OTHER SITE AS AN ASIDE (http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=924)

During the American withdrawal from Afghanistan, one of their command and control system used for controlling the drones operation, was hijacked by the Taliban when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

The Taliban want money for the system from the Russian or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the systems technology. The Chinese goal is to master the technology behind the command and control system, then, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile, American covert intelligence, with the assistance of Israeli intelligence together, determined to intercept and recapture the cargo. The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all, the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American military will not hijack or harm civilian commercial aircraft, so MH 370 is the perfect carrier.

There were 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 Iranians with stolen passports worked in tandem among them. When MH 370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, an American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

During AWAC operations activity in the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft and Airbus aircraft are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing commercial aircraft could be remote controlled by FAA /ATC ground control towers. The same remote control system used to control the pilot less spy aircraft and drones. The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course, and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai, and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react. The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anabas, South India and then landed at Maldives some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refueled and continued its flight to Garcia Diego, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen by achieving a temporary altitude to 45,000.

The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot, but first diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea, while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australians are diversion distracter.

The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

One does not like to think of officials or leaders as committing evil covert events or to do things to cover up a mess. They operate under the premise called The burden of leadership meaning, the end justifies the means. The few inside the circle know the truth, those outside the circle know a little bit, but if the majority is confused then the objective has been achieved in order to stabilize the insanity of world events. This has been the course of human history from the get go and if you are fortunate to shoot pool with certain spooks, you are privy to the inner circle. Hard to believe it, right? Thats the goal!'

[Ron Mauer Sr]

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This story is now doing the rounds. <snip>

There were 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 Iranians with stolen passports worked in tandem among them. When MH 370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, an American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode.

<snip>

During AWAC operations activity in the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft and Airbus aircraft are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing commercial aircraft could be remote controlled by FAA /ATC ground control towers. The same remote control system used to control the pilot less spy aircraft and drones. The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course, and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai, and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react. The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anabas, South India and then landed at Maldives some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refueled and continued its flight to Garcia Diego, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen by achieving a temporary altitude to 45,000. <snip>



The question that comes to mind is:

How could the 5 American/Israeli agents who switched off the transponder and other communication systems survive a short term oxygen starved ride 45,000 feet without supplemental oxygen? Oxygen bottles would be hard to hide in carry-on baggage from x-ray eyes (in most countries anyway).

[Taurean]

Not sure I buy this story. The whole raison d'être for Drones is the ablility to operate outside hostile territory, thus eliminating this type of scenario occuring.

The Iranians have already compromised Drone technology with their capture of one last year, which has more than likely been shared with the Chinese.

My feeling is this is a red herring to take the heat off the Rothschild/Mossad connection.

[Atlas]

the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection.

If the Chinese wanted to smuggle 6 crates from Afghanistan to China, they would have had no reason to go to Malaysia first, going directly from Afghanistan to Beijing would have been much easier.

[ThePythonicCow]

the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection.

If the Chinese wanted to smuggle 6 crates from Afghanistan to China, they would have had no reason to go to Malaysia first, going directly from Afghanistan to Beijing would have been much easier.

I don't know about you, but I have no way to know what would have been the best available means, at the time, to snuggle 6 very high intelligence value crates from Afghanistan to China. This is not the sort of operation that one handles by publicly requesting proposals and accepting the low bidder.

[Harley]

Hi Ron,




The question that comes to mind is:

How could the 5 American/Israeli agents who switched off the transponder and other communication systems survive a short term oxygen starved ride 45,000 feet without supplemental oxygen? Oxygen bottles would be hard to hide in carry-on baggage from x-ray eyes (in most countries anyway).

The answer to your question is the Emergency Oxygen System on the Flight Deck is a separate and independent system from that in the passenger compartment.

:)

[Atlas]

Families call for release of raw satellite data (http://www.asianewsnet.net/MH370-Families-call-for-release-of-raw-satellite-d-60181.html)

In an open letter signed by family members from China, Malaysia, the United States, New Zealand and India, it urged the Malaysian government to release the raw Inmarsat data so that “it can be subject to broader analysis by relevant experts”.

“The Inmarsat satellite data is the only lead we have and is key in identifying MH370’s flight path after the plane vanished from civilian radar screens on March 8.

“In view of the lack of emergency locator transmitter activation and zero debris, we feel it is necessary that the data be subject to independent third-party review,” said Voice370, which claims to represents 800 family members so far.

The letter, addressed to Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott and Chinese President Xi Jinping, also requested the Joint Agency Coordination Centre to release the pings recorded by the towed pinger locator.

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MAY 8 — An open letter to:


Prime Minister of Malaysia, Datuk Seri Najib Razak
Prime Minister of Australia, Tony Abbott
President of the People's Republic of China, Xi Jinping

1. We are the MH370 Victim Families and Crew Association, Voice370. Our purpose is to support each other, with the sole intention of finding MH370 and our loved ones. We represent over 300 family members so far. Our membership grows daily to include family members from all nations.

2. In view of the search entering a new phase and with regard to meetings, starting from yesterday to re-analyse data and information collected from the search so far, the Families Association urges all relevant authorities to carefully reconsider the data anew, without predetermination or bias as to any possible or probable outcome.

3. Due to the lack of physical evidence that MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean, the families are in urgent need for the conclusion, based on Inmarsat data analysis, that the aircraft’s flight ended in that Ocean to be reconsidered to confirm its accuracy.

4. Further, if Inmarsat’s analysis is unable to rule out other flight paths as a possibility, that fact must be acknowledged. Given the lack of tangible evidence of what happened to MH370, in our view, data analysis that only indicates a probable southern flight path is an insufficient basis to support a definitive conclusion that no other flight path was possible.

5. We implore the Malaysian Government to share and release the raw Inmarsat satellite engine ping data for 9MMRO (every ping from Friday, March 7 12:00 until the final signal was received globally so that it can be subject to broader analysis by relevant experts.

6. The Inmarsat satellite data is the only lead we have and is key in identifying MH370’s flight path after the plane vanished from the civilian radar screens on Mar 8. In view of the lack of ELT activation, zero detected debris, and the lack of convincing JACC ping, we feel that it is necessary that the data be subject to independent third party review. Neutral broad minded review would assist in the data assessment. It is our hope that with out-of-the-box thinking, the whole world can help to look for the plane.

7. We also implore the Joint Agency Coordination Centre to share and release the pings recorded by the Towed Pinger Locator. Those pings have been characterised as a signal oscillating at 33.3kHz with each ping being 1.106s apart. The pings were non-continuous and the furthest distance between the locations of the pings is roughly 15miles. These recorded pings are another piece of evidence needed to verify not only the accuracy of the Inmarsat calculation but also to prove the transmissions are in fact from the flight data recorder and that it is within that area. Understanding whether the recorded pings are from the flight data recorder, will greatly enhance the chances of locating the plane. We understand that the specifications of the Towed Pinger Locator could be US classified information. We are not asking for that information, but merely the recorded pings which were analysed by Australia be allowed to be analysed by other independent experts.

8. In anticipation of non-governmental agencies or contractors being engaged to conduct a new phase in the search we make two requests. First, that the WHOI be engaged to take responsibility for the undersea search operations and to coordinate and conduct that search. In our view, that WHOI is not a commercial entity and its successful location of Air France 447 demonstrates that it has the experience and expertise to conduct the search for MH370 in an ethical manner.

9. Secondly, if the employ of expertise or resources of any commercial organisation would benefit the search, then WHOI remain engaged in and ultimately responsible for the search operation to the extent of its capabilities, together with oversight of any commercial organisation. We do not presume a lack of credibility or any intention on behalf of commercial entity to exploit the search operation, and appreciate that commercial expertise may be necessary. We would merely take comfort that oversight by a non-profit driven entity like WHOI would maintain levels of accountability and transparency.

10. We the families would like to take this opportunity to convey our sincere thanks to all the countries involved for their unrelenting efforts to help in the search.

Thank you.


Steve Wang, Jimmy Wang, Li Li (China)
Dr Yi-Kiong Hue, V.P.R Nathan Velayudhan, Lokman Bin Mustafa (Malaysia)
Sarah Bajc (USA)
K.S. Narendran, Pralhad Shirsath (India)
Prudence Tomblin, Danica Weeks, Peter Weeks (New Zealand)
The Committee Leaders for Voice370, the MH370 Family Association

[Operator]

Sarah Bajc in the news again ... (more pieces of the puzzle?)



Death threats after missing MH370
KUALA LUMPUR -

The girlfriend of one of the passengers of the missing flight MH370 is threatened with death. The woman has received several calls and received the same number of pornographic images. Also, there is already twice broke into her home.

Shortly after the first burglary was Sarah Bajc, the girlfriend of passenger Philip Wood, the first voicemail message inside: "I come to you and kill you next." It reports NBC News. The woman was of the same song, which comes from China, several pornographic images and several strange phone calls. When an FBI agent was put on the case, the phone calls stopped.

Bajc had just before the loss of the unit of Malaysia Airlines decided to China, where she lived, moving to Kuala Lumpur. Her boyfriend lived there for his work.

It is not clear who is behind the strange messages.

Uncorrected translation by Google ( sorry, no time)

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/22609370/__Bedreigd_na_vermissing_MH370__.html

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Hi Ron,




The question that comes to mind is:

How could the 5 American/Israeli agents who switched off the transponder and other communication systems survive a short term oxygen starved ride 45,000 feet without supplemental oxygen? Oxygen bottles would be hard to hide in carry-on baggage from x-ray eyes (in most countries anyway).

The answer to your question is the Emergency Oxygen System on the Flight Deck is a separate and independent system from that in the passenger compartment.

:)

Thanks Harley. Your post suggests that the 5 American/Israeli agents would need access to the flight deck before the oxygen was turned off. Perhaps there was opportunity for access if someone on the flight deck opened the locked door to the cockpit, possibly to make a head call.

Anyone know if passenger oxygen can be turned off from the cockpit? Or by remote control?

The agents would need to subdue the pilot and copilot fast, before they could communicate an emergency via radio or squawk the emergency code on the transponder.

[Hervé]

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This story is now doing the rounds. The source appears to be a message posted to the 'Q-Alerts' section of Steve Quayle's website. What's copied below is exactly as originally posted (typos and all), except that I broke up the one very long paragraph to make it easier to read.

http://stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=924


MH 370 THIS EXPLAINS IT ALL! - Air Force source high up the food chain in the 5 sided building on the Potomac. NOTE THIS WAS RECVD LAST WEEK BEFORE IT WAS RELEASED ON OTHER SITE AS AN ASIDE (http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=924)

During the American withdrawal from Afghanistan, one of their command and control system used for controlling the drones operation, was hijacked by the Taliban when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.[...]

Hi Bill, good story but highly unlikely for the reason given as a comment to the article by a Navy captain:



http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2200&category=Environment

Link above to an article on Linda Moulton-Howe's website today.
This gives a POSSIBLE theory taken from the internet via an anonymous source, concerning the fate of "Flight 370".

Thanks boja!

We are getting closer to the practical scenario that occurred...

So, following and extrapolating in the direction of my own footsteps... (see post # 1467 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=826661&viewfull=1#post826661))... it's getting rather close:

From the http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2200&category=Environment articles, the "Talibans" got their hands on something that can control the US top secret drones... debunked by a retired US Navy captain that no such a thing would ever be within combat zones, etc... sure... sure... no one would be that stupid... but for... stupid, right?

Anyway, somebody's got their hand on that toy I have been talking about, you know, that thing that could drone away a fly-by-wire commercial jet... beside reverse engineering a Tel Aviv stored 777, how about reverse engineering that super-secret, high tech US military drone, you know, the one that landed intact in Iran:


Capture of the drone (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident)

The government of Iran announced that the aircraft was brought down by its Cyber warfare unit stationed near Kashmar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmar)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-prtessTV10-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-7) and "brought down with minimum damage"[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-8) They said the aircraft was detected in Iranian airspace some 225 kilometers (140 mi) from the border with Afghanistan.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-9)

The government of the United States initially claimed that its forces in Afghanistan had lost control of a UAV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAV) on 4 December 2011 and that there was a possibility that this is the vehicle that crashed near Kashmar. According to unnamed U.S. officials, a U.S. UAV operated by the Central Intelligence Agency was flying on the Afghan side of the Afghanistan-Iran border when its operators lost control of the vehicle.[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-bbc8-10)[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-11) There have been reports that "foreign officials and American experts who have been briefed on the effort" state that the crashed UAV was taking part in routine surveillance of Iranian nuclear facilities inside Iranian airspace.[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-12)

The drone appeared to be largely intact, except for possible minor visible damage on its left wing. Dan Goure, an analyst at the Lexington Institute, stated the largely intact airframe ruled out the possibility of an engine or navigational malfunction: "Either this was a cyber/electronic warfare attack system that brought the system down or it was a glitch in the command-and-control system."[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-13) However, some US officials state the drone broke into three pieces during impact. They claim that it was reassembled for display purposes and was painted by Iran to hide the damage.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident#cite_note-14)
Now, how many of those have been "landed" somewhere else and reverse-engineered?

Because once one has the drone, with a bit of head-scratching, one also has the joy stick to fly it from anywhere!

Of course, to belittle Iranians' cyber capabilities, some say it was ETs intervention that landed them the craft so they could reverse-engineer it... "Beware Greeks bearing gifts" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67668-Courtney-Brown-Announcement-for-February--now-March--2014&p=827356&viewfull=1#post827356)!

Now, who else has been eviled by the US for hacking into their systems and even providing their defense system with remote controllable chips...anyone remembers those campaigns?

Anyway, once one has the joystick to remote fly commercial jets AND US superhightech military drones... sorry for the pun, but... the sky is no limit!

Indeed, someone's got more than Boeing by the throat!

[Operator]

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Anyone know if passenger oxygen can be turned off from the cockpit? Or by remote control?
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See my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=812446&viewfull=1#post812446) ...



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Although the 45000 feet was doubted a bit by that 'Charlie' figure he mentioned that it was possible to shut down the compressors
from within the cockpit to depressurize the cabin and not let the oxygen masks down ... that would kill all passengers and cabin
crew in a matter of minutes.
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[Hervé]

What the...



First Comment from Phil:

In a private email to me today, Fritz suggested that he is "not at liberty to say where " MA-370 is, but it was "taken down by the Illuminati to prevent a war. The people on board had the ability to start a war and the intentions to start one."

Full article: http://henrymakow.com/2014/05/fritz-springmeier-replies-to.html ... reminding of 'em's interest in Bill's own integrity which got their attention expressed via a certain Charles/Atticus/Stephen...

[wnlight]

Most remote viewers that are not under military control simply are not interested in the missing plane (including the two that I know personally). The very few remote viewers meeting that criteria (i.e., both independent and interested) have found the plane to be where I have previously posted it. In Pakistan, on the tarmac of the airport in Pasni. The plane is disguised and covered, of course. The big question in my mind is why are nearly all the crew and passengers, now prisoners of the CIA, still alive? Don't get me wrong. I am very glad they are alive, but wouldn't it be more expedient just to do them in? Is there dissension in the ranks?

[wnlight]

shmoople_3119
Thanks to your post, I had to check, by dowsing, how many people have now tried to shove a cell phone up their but. The current count is above 550 world wide. Apparently, all the phones were in working order after their ordeal. :-)

[King Arthur]

Malaysian plane mystery explained by the Galactic Historian
http://pastebin.com/FnR4jEFk

It's a Groundhog Day situation but will be returned to reality when the planet has reached a healing state

[Snookie]

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This story is now doing the rounds. <snip>

There were 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 Iranians with stolen passports worked in tandem among them. When MH 370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, an American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode.

<snip>

During AWAC operations activity in the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft and Airbus aircraft are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing commercial aircraft could be remote controlled by FAA /ATC ground control towers. The same remote control system used to control the pilot less spy aircraft and drones. The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication systems, changed course, and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai, and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react. The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anabas, South India and then landed at Maldives some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refueled and continued its flight to Garcia Diego, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen by achieving a temporary altitude to 45,000. <snip>



The question that comes to mind is:

How could the 5 American/Israeli agents who switched off the transponder and other communication systems survive a short term oxygen starved ride 45,000 feet without supplemental oxygen? Oxygen bottles would be hard to hide in carry-on baggage from x-ray eyes (in most countries anyway).

Also, don't oxygen masks automatically drop from overhead the passenger seats when this happens? Or does that only occur when the cabin looses pressure?

-----Update------
Answered in a previous post.

[spiritguide]

Time to re focus perceptions and think outside the box. Black ops have been messing with outside the box tech and we are not using all our total perceptions on this illusion. Look outside intelligence ops and look to tech manufacturers for likely involvement by means of implanted shills. Don't under estimate the culprits involved. We have developed skills at brush fires and lost finesse in forest fires. IMHO

[K93DOGS]

I would have to agree with so many folks in that it's another covert shadow government mission. It's appalling to realize that those in the know would assume everyone is so gullible as to believe all the contradictions, propaganda, and misinformation found in the majority of our nations government controlled media. It's just ignorance to believe that such an event would go unnoticed on anybodies radar for such a length of time,and being in such close proximity to Diego Garcia without detection is preposterous to say the least. Too many unanswered questions that will most likely never come to light. I am hoping a concerned whistle blower would once again come forward and expose this horrible tragedy. My heart goes out to all the families and loved ones on this doomed flight.

[yelik]

Hi
This is indeed a mystery, how can you lose a plane yet they can track you from you home and even around the stores. In my efforts to better understand it I put together this chart a while ago possibly linking it to the Rothschilds. I always try to follow the money and look for motives.


https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_262GwQYYxmWkpPVGJqRVVJMHc/edit?usp=drive_web

Let me know if it doesn't load. think someone is messing around with my pc and google plus drive!!!

[Cidersomerset]

How Airlines Make Big Money When Planes Crash

Wednesday 14th May 2014 at 04:54 By David Icke

YMkbCDpHrpI

[K93DOGS]

Georesonance , "“As far as Bangladeshi Navy checking our findings, we firmly believe that our findings have not been checked at all."

http://www.therakyatpost.com/news/2014/05/10/georesonance-adamant-mh370-bay-bengal/

“We are considering verifying the location ourselves. Two words to all the sceptics: ‘Test us!’”

[Cidersomerset]

Fmr Malaysian Prime Minister Says CIA Is Behind Disappearance Of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Wednesday 21st May 2014 at 04:12 By David Icke

q-cOrr5BLx4

[ThePythonicCow]

Fmr Malaysian Prime Minister Says CIA Is Behind Disappearance Of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Start at 11:35 into the video for that portion.

Correction, however:


The former Prime Minister says that the CIA (and Boeing) could have been (not "is") behind the disappearance.Big difference :).

[Roisin]

The former FAA guy is saying in that video that "there's no such thing as remotely controlling these airplanes even in that high level technology". By that he meant, remotely controlling an aircraft like that in such a way that it takes over the flight controls and pilots it and lands it.

The FAA is in bed with the CIA on this one. He also said that it's takes 2 pilots to fly that plane and that's not true either. Something fishy is going on here.

Er, correction: The FAA could be in bed with the CIA on this one.

[tnkayaker]

shmoople_3119
Thanks to your post, I had to check, by dowsing, how many people have now tried to shove a cell phone up their but. The current count is above 550 world wide. Apparently, all the phones were in working order after their ordeal. :-)

not sure if the fit would be the issue , changing the ring tones may be a slight inconvenient....

[jsl2837]

As a neophyte, what are the reasons that explain why remote viewers have not yet succeeded in locating the plane?

[Roisin]

As a neophyte, what are the reasons that explain why remote viewers have not yet succeeded in locating the plane?

I did my own "remote viewing" of where this plane is and first off, it will never be found as indicated by it flying into a tunnel/vortex. Two people were seen behind the pilots in the cockpit... one was female.. (indicating a hijacking?) (as a side note, the plane may be used for an upcoming false flag event that's reminiscent of 9/11 or that there's some kind of connection between the disappearance of this plane and what happened on 9/11)

I then received information that the plane was parked on a tarmac somewhere at a small retro-looking airport near a water body with a long runway... among other things, a young woman/girl was seen dressed up like a muslim in it too. Photographs of the small airport at Coco (Keeling) Islands seems to match up to the information I got on that. Also found out that the small number of natives there are Muslim. The end part of that information involved a plane taking off from that runway. That could mean that the plane landed at that airport there for a few hours and then took off again. Just saying that that would be one interpretation of that part of it. (Also, something about a student pilot. Should be noted that for all practical purposes, the co-pilot of flight 370 was a student pilot of that type of plane) Also, the plane may have been transformed on that island. IOW's, the plane was repainted and stripes and the color teal and white were noted... have to check back on when I posted about all of this back a few days after the plane went missing.

I was to find out later that Coco Islands will soon be the next "Diego Garcia"; this according to the most recent (last year) news reports on that. Those US gov't operations on Diego Garcia are transferring to Coco/Keeling Islands where Diego Garcia will be, at least on a public/official basis, closed down.

Let me know if anyone can line up a few million dollars for some privately funded expert search parties to search that archipelago including Diego Garcia because it may have landed there too. :p

[Sunny-side-up]

I dont know if already posted or not but found this item about Ill fated MH370!


A black photo has surfaced, allegedly taken by Philip Wood, an American IBM engineer on the flight.
The image, which appears black, was taken in a dark cell by the IBM engineer.
The picture is black because the cell was too dark, but a critical piece of information was embedded in the Exif data, the coordinates to Diego Garcia, where the picture was taken. And it’s real, this is not a hoax. Click Here To View Photo
The coordinates in the picture indicate that the photo was taken within 3 miles of what Google officially gives for Diego Garcia.
(source http://ufothetruthisoutthere.blogspot.pt/)

Full news here
http://ufothetruthisoutthere.blogspot.pt/2014/04/passenger-on-flight-mh370-posts-image.html

[K93DOGS]

3 PLANES > CREDIBLE EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES WITH DIEGO GARCIA ALONG WITH THE FIND BY GEORESONANCE IN THE BAY OF BENGAL AND THE VIETNAM INCIDENT > THE CAN OF WORMS NEEDS OPENED - 3 UNEXPLAINED PLANES WITH 3 LOCATIONS - WITHIN SAME TIME FRAME - ALL REPORTED AND SUBSTANTIATED EVIDENCE AND BY CREDIBLE WITNESSES > YET NONE ARE BEING INVESTIGATED > ALL EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS AN EXPLANATION
http:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2617647/British-marine-archaeologist-claims-flight-MH370-3-000-miles-search-zone-spotting-debris-painted-colours-Malaysia-Airlines.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2617647/British-marine-archaeologist-claims-flight-MH370-3-000-miles-search-zone-spotting-debris-painted-colours-Malaysia-Airlines.html)

[K93DOGS]

WORTH INVESTIGATING > DID ANY PASSENGER HAVE A PACEMAKER ? SOME ARE TRACABLE http://www.flukebiomedical.com/Biomedical/usen/Repair/cal/default.htm

[K93DOGS]

WOULDN'T SURPRISE ME IF HAARP DESTROYED GEORESONANCE'S FINDINGS WITH AN EARTHQUAKE > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkD3fyIWxjY

[Rocky_Shorz]

dude, talking in CAPS in Cyberland is considered SCREAMING, please keep it down, Spirits in training... shhh

[Roisin]

Navy official: Pings not thought to be from Flight 370's black boxes


The four acoustic pings at the center of the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 for the past seven weeks are no longer believed to have come from the plane's black boxes, a U.S. Navy official told CNN.

The acknowledgment came Wednesday as searchers wrapped up the first phase of their effort, having scanned 329 square miles of southern Indian Ocean floor without finding any wreckage from the Boeing 777-200.

Authorities now almost universally believe the pings did not come from the onboard data or cockpit voice recorders, but instead came from some other man-made source unrelated to the jetliner that disappeared on March 8, according to Michael Dean, the Navy's deputy director of ocean engineering.

If the pings had come from the recorders, searchers would have found them, he said.
Dean said "yes" when asked if other countries involved in the search had reached the same conclusions.

"Our best theory at this point is that (the pings were) likely some sound produced by the ship ... or within the electronics of the Towed Pinger Locator," Dean said.

The pinger locator was used by searchers to listen for underwater signals.

"Always your fear any time you put electronic equipment in the water is that if any water gets in and grounds or shorts something out, that you could start producing sound," Dean explained.

He said it is not possible to absolutely exclude that the pings came from the black boxes, but there is no evidence now to suggest they did...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/28/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-pinging/

Ah..... so those pings were from the pinger locator. Duh.

[Roisin]

Malaysia missing MH370 plane: 'Ping area' ruled out

The area where acoustic signals thought linked to the missing Malaysian plane were detected can now be ruled out as the final resting place of flight MH370, Australian officials say.

The Bluefin-21 submersible robot had finished its search of the area and found nothing, they said...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27615173

[Just Curious]

Why did it take so long to report 'nothing'?

[Roisin]

I'm more apt to ask why it took so long for "authorities" to finally admit that all of those pings they were hearing were NOT from the black box of that missing plane after all regardless that many outside experts were speculating that that was the case all along.

So it's not surprising that the Bluefin-21 submersible robot that searched that region of that ocean came up with nothing.
-----------------------
Update:
Search area for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 'can now be discounted'


The 850 square kilometers scanned off the coast of western Australia in the hunt for a missing Malaysia Airlines plane are not the "final resting place of MH370," the agency leading the search said Thursday.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/29/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/

[Roisin]

Why did it take so long to report 'nothing'?

Good question!

[toad]

The longer we look at anything, the more we'll see.

[Atlas]

Inmarsat data now released: Duncan Steel, 2014 May 27 (http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/806)

The data now made available appear to make sense. I was emailed the PDF of 47 pages by several people [...] One can see no conceivable reason that the information could not have been released nine or ten weeks ago. There are many, many lines of irrelevant information in those 47 pages, but it is good that all have been published.

Having written that, there is no reason (as such) to criticize what has been issued. It took me just ten minutes to find the 18 (perhaps more?) lines of relevance. And there is a nice explanation at the beginning. So, credit to Inmarsat and others for now making the information available. In reality I believe that it has been the UK Government (rather than the UK company) per the AAIB which has delayed things. [...]

On these BFOs the confirmation from this publication of information that the aircraft SATCOM system essentially is programmed to assume that the satellite is truly geostationary (i.e. does not wander from a fixed point above the equator: no satellites are truly ‘geostationary’) MAY explain the ‘symmetry breaking’ which leads to the belief that the aircraft went south (into the Indian Ocean) rather than north. But that awaits confirmation from the people looking into the BFOs.

Now that the basic information is available it should be possible to check on Inmarsat’s analysis and ensure that no mistakes were made. With this information the calculations are quite straightforward; but I hasten to add that this only narrows down the search region, NOT identifies precisely where the aircraft ended up.

[Roisin]

The following is from the comment section that's below Duncan's essay as presented in Buare's post:



Hi guys,

Just a quick (layman) question. You’re currently trying to figure out how Immarsat got the path they had published. Is there a consensus that it was a Southern route? Or does the Northern route under some circumstances (e.g. multiple change of direction/speed etc.) remain a possibility? Thanks!

Tanya

------------------------- Duncan's reply:

Duncan
2014/05/28 at 23:39

Tanya: First, let me say again that in science we mostly regard consensus as being dangerous. It stops people looking for alternatives, amongst which might be the truth of the matter...

(Last paragraph of that reply)
I would not rule out entirely the possibility of a northern route, for all sorts of reasons (including errors made in modelling and analysis, or something that we simply have no idea about, yet). In the end, it will only be the finding of the aircraft that will settle this.

[Roisin]

According to the information below, which is from Duncan Steel's blog and posted today in the comment section, the Cocos Island area could one of the next area's authorities are going to search next.


Michael Molinaro
2014/05/29 at 00:51

Sounds as though there is as much controversy developing regarding the marine science as had with the space science. U.S. Navy is contradicting/distancing itself from Mike Dean’s (The Navy's Deputy Director of Ocean Engineering) comments today.

“A US Navy spokesman retorted: “Mike Dean’s comments today were speculative and premature, as we continue to work with our partners to more thoroughly understand the data acquired by the towed pinger locator. As such, we would defer to the Australians, as the lead in the search effort, to make additional information known at the appropriate time.” http://news.yahoo.com/acoustic-pings-heart-mh370-hunt-not-likely-black-005427212.html;_ylt=A0SO8y84uIZTy1sAMFhXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0cmJla3U3BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1ZJUD IyN18x

The news was also focusing again on the The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization CTBTO acoustic recordings as a possible best supplement to the Inmarsat data. Cocos Islands and Cape Leeuwin, and the CMST* logger near Rottnest Island may all come into a brighter spotlight focus soon. I’d love to know the details that Metao and Rodney Thompson (reddit commentators) learned, that originated from their friend at the CMST*. Remembering my sympathies to the families of those lost, I still can not help but remark that this series of events is like living through a dream seminar in applying science comprehensively, through numerous disciplines, and hopefully, for numerous laudable goals. Duncan, thank you for having created a forum where so many can report on so much, and all fascinating.

Michael Molinaro, Esq.
-------------------------------------------------------
Note: I've been saying all along that any data from the CTBTO is significant. Their initial findings still stick.... they have received no information from their sensors that the plane has crashed or exploded in/on/over land or sea.

Also, Cocos Islands and its surrounding area is an area of interest that's been talked about by some, me included, concerning this plane in this thread. I commented about Cocos Island again last week or so. I'm not surprised that they are now switching to that area of the Indian Ocean to track this plane down.

---------------------------
* CMST - Curtin University's Centre for Marine Science and Technology (aus.)

[Roisin]

Update:

31 May 2014: Cocos Islands - AGSEL - RAAF Learmonth



Several waypoints have been recently mentioned in relation to a possible path of MH370.

For example, in our previous update, the air route M641, connecting Cocos Island to Perth, was traced along CCVOR - IKASA - UXORA - MERIB waypoints. As mentioned by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) document's "Considerations on defining the search area", "The air route crosses the area where the four acoustic signals were detected." However, this assumption begins to look less and less justifiable, and the current search area is unlikely to be "the final resting place of a missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner".

In an attempt to find some logic behind the flight's path (rather than second-guess the logic behind the current search area near IKASA), while reconciling the constraints imposed by Inmarsat ping rings and other communication data (BFO and BTO), the following simple route is suggested from the location of the last primary radar contact by Malaysian military, 200 miles (320 km) NW of Penang, 6°49′38″N 97°43′15″E:


crossing 19:40 ping ring near waypoint POVUS between north-western tip of Indonesia and Nicobar Islands;
taking the heading towards Cocos Islands (CCVOR, 12.20057 S, 96.83863 E);
crossing 20:40 ping ring, after approximately 730 km travel during the last hour;
crossing 21:40 ping ring, after approximately 870 km travel during the last hour;
reaching CCVOR between 21:40 and 22:40, after approximately 465 km travel since 21:40;
taking the heading towards RAAF Learmonth (the closest point on Australian continent), via waypoint AGSEL (19.92502 S, 109.68335 E);
crossing 22:40 ping ring, after approximately 235 km travel since CCVOR, i.e., after 700 km travel during the last hour;
crossing 00:11 ping ring, after approximately 755 km travel during the last hour and a half;
crossing 00:19 ping ring, at the location with the approximate coordinates (17.47°S, 105.39° E).


The following Google Earth snapshot shows several ping rings (KML files for the rings are produced by Duncan Steel). These rings include the 00:11 ping ring produced by Duncan Steel, as well as the green arc taken from the Hishammuddin Hussein 00:11 ping ring (ideally, these two should be the same). The wider white arc approximates the 00:19 extrapolated ring. The path suggested above (1) - (9) is shown with red line.

The blue circle, centred at Christmas Island, is not relevant for this analysis.

https://sites.google.com/site/mh370tibet/_/rsrc/1401467132274/updates/31may2014/cl4-r.jpg

The suggested path is fairly simple: after the turn around the north-western tip of Indonesia, it follows one fixed heading towards Cocos Islands (with an airport), and then turns towards RAAF Learmonth, the closest point on Australian continent, continuing on this second fixed heading till the end. It however, assumes varying speeds over the route.

The intersection point (17.47°S, 105.39° E) is about 400 km north from the current/last search area.

Source: https://sites.google.com/site/mh370tibet/updates/31may2014

-----------------------------
From Dunan Steele's blog: http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/806


Mikhail P.
2014/05/30 at 13:28

Subject: POVUS -> Cocos Islands -> (AGSEL -> RAAF Learmonth)

Hypothesis: after a turn around the north-western tip of Indonesia (near POVUS), the plane
1) turned south on a fixed heading towards Cocos Islands (CCVOR), and then
2) turned east from CCVOR towards RAAF Learmonth, the closest site on the Australian continent, continuing on this second fixed heading till the end.

Assumption: varying speeds over the hypothesised route.

Inference: the CCVOR – AGSEL segment crosses the extrapolated 00:19 ring at ~(17.47°S, 105.39° E), which is 400 km north from the current/last search area.

Details: https://sites.google.com/site/mh370tibet/updates/31may2014

Thanks,
Mikhail P.

[K93DOGS]

FACTS VS SPECULATION http://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/20sasb/very_concise_debunk_of_chris_goodfellows_theory/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/20sasb/very_concise_debunk_of_chris_goodfellows_theory/") Facts vs Speculation

[K93DOGS]

THIS ABOUT SUMS UP MALAYSIA'S EFFORTS IN THIS SEARCH http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/china-mocks-malaysia-for-hiring-witch-doctor-to-find-missing-plane/1/349324.html

[Roisin]

Cannes: Movie-maker courts controversy with MH370 thriller

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140519122115-mh370-film-story-top.jpg


Cannes, France (CNN) -- Movie-makers in Cannes have announced they're making a thriller based on the disappearance of Malaysian flight MH370. The film, being produced by Indian company Rupesh Paul Productions, is to be entitled "The Vanishing Act: The Untold Story of the Missing Malaysian Plane."

Paul told CNN: "The movie is based on an investigative report by a journalist which was rejected by the media so it is definitely controversial. The movie will answer two questions: one is what went wrong with MH370 and where is MH370 on this earth?"

An eight-page pamphlet promoting the movie at Cannes' Marchee du Film (film market) says the "The Vanishing Act tells the story of five people who seek revenge for the death of their loved ones. They hijack a plane. (sic) but things aren't as they appear. The FBI too makes an appearance and things get murkier."
Where is the MH370 satellite data?
Missing plane search enters new phase

Paul denied making such a film now could be considered offensive to the families of the 239 men, women and children aboard the airliner, which disappeared on March 8. "There are a lot of coincidental similarities between the actual passengers who were travelling in that thing but I think they will not be hurt at all. Definitely not. If we're totally wrong we will be in trouble. I know it is a risk we are taking."

The publicity material goes on to claim the film "will have an international cast with actors from film industries across the world" including "France, Russia, the UK and Korea."and will be "a movie beyond man-made boundaries" and boasts that it will become a "trendsetter."

The movie-makers claim they have recruited a number of leading Hollywood technicians who will bring their experience to the mid-air flight sequences.

CNN has seen a trailer for the movie, comprised of stock footage of Malaysian Airlines planes cut together with scenes of love, jealousy and unrest in the cabin, accompanied by graphics charting a timeline to disaster.

In what appears to be the only hint of sensitivity to the feelings of the missing passengers and their families, a single page of the promo pack is devoted to a picture of a woman writing on a wall covered with messages, under the banner "Pray of MH370."

Paul says investors from India, China and Malaysia itself are on board and will sign contracts at the weekend.

[Roisin]

Flight 370 "will be found" near "7th arc"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-flight-370-will-be-found-close-to-7th-arc-australia-says/


The "7th arc" runneth through Cocos (Keeling) Islands... either that or the "7th arc" could be code-speak for the 7th planet which is Uranus?

http://factsabouturanus.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/9/0/14907980/1353036320.jpg

[Nick Matkin]

FACTS VS SPECULATION http://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/20sasb/very_concise_debunk_of_chris_goodfellows_theory/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/MH370/comments/20sasb/very_concise_debunk_of_chris_goodfellows_theory/") Facts vs Speculation

Excellent post by a proper pilot.

As in so many 'conspiracies' circulated on here and other forums, it's often overlooked that there are independent experts and open forums where uniformed and rambling speculation can be checked with those having appropriate training and experience.

The trouble is, informed expert opinion is rarely as interesting as wild conspiracy.

Not all experts are government controlled shills, really they're not!

Nick

[Roisin]

Chris Goodfellow has 20 years experience as a Canadian Class-1 instrumented-rated pilot for multi-engine planes. His theory on what happened to MH370 first appeared on Google+. We’ve copyedited it with his permission.

As stated at the bottom of that article that was published on WIRED.
http://www.wired.com/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

Knowing what I know, I hardly think that someone with only a multi-engine instrument rating would be considered by most as an expert on 777's. So it's not surprising that an actual commercial airline pilot was able to isolate those error's in that guy's "comment" on Google + that was then published on WIRED.

I'm just bringing this up because it says a lot about WIRED. Why would they post something like that on their site by someone who is not even a commercial airline pilot?

----------------------

This is not to say that I have anything against pilots with advanced ratings like that making comments about those technical aspects about the plane -- or even those pilot's with only a private license who have been commenting on that too, but Goodfellow was presenting himself as an authoritative voice on 777's... which he is not because that anonymous commercial airline captain proved that very clearly.

[mojo]

glad to see the thread continues on... since the mainstream media has pretty much dropped the story. Will we ever find the answers?

[onawah]

MH370 Families Post Reward

Almost three months after the
plane disappeared en route from
Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, some
relatives are frustrated by the
failure of the official search to
find concrete evidence about
what happened and in what
manner, and they say they are
convinced that authorities are
concealing the truth.

This Monday, families of missing
MH370 passengers are starting
an INDIEGOGO campaign to raise
reward money for whistleblowers,
who can help solve the mystery
of the fate of the missing Malaysia
Airlines plane.

As of this writing, the INDIEGOGO
account does not yet exist but
according to USA Today, it will go by
the name of "Reward MH370: The
Search for the Truth."

God love him, but I'm not going to
tell anyone to put their contributions
into independent investigative reporter
and author, Bill Still's PayPal account,
which is he is asking for, here...

(Video: under 4 minutes):
0JPi8cVXc0M
MH370 Families Post Reward

http://www.ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com/page/26451.html

[Sunny-side-up]

Just bumping this vital/important post!
Anymore news/information?

[Hervé]

‘Unprecedented’: 13 aircraft mysteriously disappear from radars in heart of Europe (http://rt.com/news/165636-aircraft-disappear-radfars-austria/)
Published time: June 12, 2014 21:13
Get short URL (http://rt.com/news/165636-aircraft-disappear-radfars-austria/)


http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/28/70/40/00/plane.si.jpg
Reuters / Toby Melville


A total of 13 aircraft suddenly vanished off radars for about 25 minutes on two occasions over Austria and neighboring countries, Austria's flight safety monitor said, calling for an EU probe into the “unprecedented” incidents.

The flights vanished from air traffic controllers’ screens in Austria on June 5 and June 10 for 25 minutes each time, Marcus Pohanka of Austro Control – Austria’s flight safety organization – said Thursday.

Air traffic control in neighboring regions of Germany and the Czech Republic also reported similar problems.

Pohanka said the location, height, and identity of the 13 aircraft vanished over Austria both times, in what he called “unprecedented” incidents, AP reported.

He added that some neighboring countries had experienced similar problems. The daily Kurier, based in Vienna, elaborated that similar problems were experienced by flight controllers in Munich and Karlsruhe in Germany and in Prague, Czech Republic.

Poahanka declined to say which airlines and planes were involved, but suggested that some may have been passenger jets, which fly at high altitudes. The EU’s Eurocontrol and European Aviation Safety Agency will investigate the incidents.

Poahanka stressed that at no time were any of the planes in danger, as extra air traffic controllers were immediately called to their posts and emergency measures were brought in, which included immediately establishing voice contact with the pilots and the widening of flight corridors.

The Kurier cited an unnamed expert as saying that the problem was most likely to do with interference between the aircraft transponders and the ground.


*********************************************************


Somebody's got some serious toy and's playing with it....

[Roisin]

One possible culprit for those radar incidents:

"Dozens of aircraft briefly vanished from air-traffic control radars in Austria, Germany, the Czech Republic and Slovakia this week and last in separate incidents that Slovak authorities blamed on military electronic warfare exercises."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/13/us-europe-airplanes-safety-idUSKBN0EO1CW20140613

Update:

Here's another news article on this. More detail in it.


Military blamed after planes vanish from Europe air-traffic control screens
Slovak authorities claim electronic warfare exercise caused dozens of planes to briefly disappear from air-traffic control radar


"Dozens of aircraft briefly vanished from air-traffic control radars in Austria, Germany, the Czech Republic and Slovakia over the last two weeks in incidents that Slovak authorities blamed on military electronic warfare exercises.

Air-traffic controllers in Austria and Germany said data about the planes' position, direction, height or speed went missing on 5 and 10 June, but the outages posed no serious danger to aircraft travelling at high altitude.

Their Czech and Slovak counterparts also encountered cases of vanishing aircraft on the same days.

"The disappearance of objects on radar screens was connected with a planned military exercise which took place in various parts of Europe … whose goal was the interruption of radio communication frequencies," the Slovak air traffic services said.

"This activity also caused the temporary disappearance of several targets on the radar display, while in the meantime the planes were in radio contact with air traffic controllers and continued in their flight normally.

"Immediately after the identification of the problem with the displays, the side organising the exercises was contacted and the exercise was stopped."

It did not identify the military force, but Austrian media said it was Nato. Nato declined to comment.

A spokesman for German air-traffic control said: "Planes disappeared from screens for a matter of seconds, here and there. The outages were sporadic and not grave.

"It must have been an external source of disruption. We are trying to identify the cause."

There has been a growing focus on the tracking of passenger aircraft since the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 in March.

The airline industry has pledged to come up with proposals by September for a better system of tracking aircraft over oceans and other remote areas. But incidents in controlled airspace are relatively rare.

Europe's air corridors are among the busiest in the world and there have been calls for better technology and co-ordination such asa unified control network. However, some air traffic controller unions oppose these measures.

In the recent incidents, extra Austrian air-traffic controllers were deployed, communicating with the affected aircraft by radio and increasing the safety distances between planes, a spokesman for Austro Control said.

He said that 10 planes passing through Austrian airspace were affected in the first incident and three in the second, and that he had heard that 50 aircraft in total were affected across Europe..."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/13/military-blamed-planes-vanish-europe-air-traffic-control-radar

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[Roisin]

Yet, that official
"Pohanka said the location, height, and identity of the 13 aircraft vanished over Austria both times, in what he called “unprecedented”

At any rate, it seems too coincidental that something like this happened so close to the time of the disappearance of that Malaysian airliner. It's definitely something to pay attention to. IMHO

[Roisin]

June 10 was the second day when those planes disappeared from the radar in Europe but it should be noted that on that same day, we saw the eruption of an X-Class solar flare which resulted in radio black-outs over Europe, the Middle East and Africa. That day was the beginning of the sun moving into Solar Max with some more X-Class solar flares in the days to follow. So the question is, did that solar flare eruption have any effect on those radars that were tracking those planes on that day?

But not much was going on on June 5th on the Solar front except that there was a solar flare watch that, as we know, culminated into the solar max we've had over the past few days now. June 5th though was the first day of this current solar eruption watch.

[Roisin]

A bit of trivia in the "thinking outside of the box" dept. concerning the disappearance of Malaysian flight 370.

In this case, the focus is on the Western Sidereal astrological interpretation on how the planets were aligned on Saturday, March 8th which is the day the plane disappeared.

This will only be a very short run down on those configurations for that day but in any case, when it comes to Astrology, I use the Sidereal and not the Tropical system which is the one most western Astrologists use. Vedic Astrology uses the sidereal system too. I prefer the Sidereal over the Tropical System but I'll save it for another day to explain why that is.

Anyway, on March 8th, Mars was retrograde in Libra which is an air sign. That indicates that something negative was going to happen that day in the air. The disappearance of that plane fits the bill on that one and I found that very intriguing.

Also, the North Node and Saturn were retrograde on that day too. None of the planets just mentioned above were connected to water as indicated by their placements and values but that indicates that the plane did not crash into any body of water anywhere. I found that intriguing too.

I'll update on this later after I do a more in-depth analysis of the chart for that day and what happened to this plane.

[Hervé]

[...]

… whose goal was the interruption of radio communication frequencies," the Slovak air traffic services said.

[...]... while in the meantime the planes were in radio contact with air traffic controllers and continued in their flight normally.

[...]

... apparently written with a "straight face"...

[Roisin]

Could be those radar systems were hacked into by the Chinese. They hack into everything else so why not radar systems too?

[avid]

Michael Shrimpton's column in Veteran's Today has this commentary:


Flight MH 370
I wouldn’t waste money, if I were you, on the fundraising effort to appoint private investigators. The people setting it up have already decided to push the official line that the Malaysian Airlines 777 crossed Malaysia, which is nonsense on stilts. The latest story is that whoever was flying the plane descended below minimum safety height and used the terrain to avoid civilian radar, as though the big airliner were an F-16.
No one is putting forward any explanation as to why either of the pilots would have wanted to do that, and none of the passengers was able to fly the plane, or so far as we know, any plane. You will recall that the hijack squawk code was not activated, pretty much ruling out hijack.
Whatever money is raised is likely to be wasted on ‘reputable’ security firms, who will trot out the official line, charge huge fees and deplete the fund. I can confirm that no one involved has approached me for a briefing as to why I think the plane was shot down.
Since I am the only person in the world reporting that, and the Indian Ocean search has clearly drawn a blank, you would think that if they were serious they would at least be curious to find out what I know and how I know it.
The same comment goes for the media. Veterans Today is the only outlet in the world prepared to report the truth, apart from one website (www.NeonNettle.com), which carried an article by me, and a couple of Internet radio and TV stations which have interviewed me.
The mainstream media is running scared. As soon as they learn that it was the Chinese PLA Navy which shot down the plane and murdered her crew and passengers they run for cover faster than a Coalition politician, or a Democrat. It’s no wonder that so many journalists wear brown trousers.
If you do not approve of mass murder – and I do not – you have to be prepared to condemn it when it happens. It’s no use behaving like a small child and hiding behind the sofa.

Hmmm - remember the oilman who heard an explosion and saw a fireball in the sky - who was quickly 'ignored'?......

The quote is taken from quite a way down his column.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/15/the-truth-behind-d-day/

[avid]

Here is a partial quotation from the article in NeonNettle in which Michael Shrimpton claims:


The Shootdown of MH370
At 0130 hours local time Saturday, March 8th a Chinese SSK submarine, believed to be a 636 Kilo class, shot down a Malaysian airliner, Boeing 777-2H6ER, 9M-MRO, Captain Zaharie Shah in command, off the coast of South Vietnam. The Chinese murdered a total of 239 people, all the souls on board.

The Kilo submarine surfaced but stayed hull-down, i.e. presented a low radar signature. She fired a Chinese-made copy of the excellent Hughes Aircraft AIM-54A Phoenix missile, supplied to Iran in the 1970s.

Not only did I discover from intelligence sources within days that MH 370 had been shot down, it was suggested that they might try and move the search area to the Southern Ocean, which they did a few days later.

Why would a Chinese submarine shoot the plane down?

It is still unclear who the Chinese Navy were trying to assassinate, although there was clearly a person of interest on the flight. The shootdown is obviously linked to the bitter internal battle going on in Peking right now, in which internal security chief Zhou Yongkang was recently ousted. This has been documented extensively. Schisms within Chinese leadership tend to leak out.

Importantly, there is also a power struggle between the Chinese civilain authorities and the People's Liberation Army Navy.

The PLA-Navy is under PLA control, not the control of the civilian government, who apparently were a bit alarmed when the Chinese carrier Liaoning tried to ram the US guided missile cruiser Cowpens (DDG-63) in December, in an effort to ramp up tensions with the US and get back at the Americans following revelations by their spy Edward Snowden in Hong Kong.

Much more plausible evidence here:
http://www.NeonNettle.com/features/173-missing-flight-mh-370-explosive-account-that-plane-shot-down

Apologies if this has been posted earlier.

[avid]

Oops - lest we forget...

[avid]

The MH370 Cover-Up: GA Telesis Fabricates Story of Missing Plane's Israeli Twin
June 20, 2014


COVER-UP OF ISRAELI TWIN EXPOSED - GA Telesis, the Florida-based company that owned the Israeli twin of MH370, has been caught fabricating a cover story to explain why this plane (N105GT) was in a hangar in Tel Aviv when its Malaysian twin disappeared.


THE ISRAELI TWIN OF MH370 - GA Telesis recently crafted a press release, back-dated to October 4, 2013, and inserted it into the archives for 2013. The Internet archives, however, reveal that this fraudulent press release did not even exist in 2013. Why would GA Telesis be fabricating press releases to provide a plausible history for this suspicious plane in Tel Aviv if they were not trying to cover their tracks?

In March 2014, I posted a very important terrorism-prevention story that revealed that a near-identical twin of the missing Malaysian plane, that was Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, was sitting in a hangar in Tel Aviv.

The article, "Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?" pointed out, with photos and documentation, that a plane, very similar to the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, that had been obtained by a Florida-based company called GA Telesis for dismantling in the United States, was actually being kept secretly in a hangar in Israel. What, pray tell, was a plane, nearly identical to the missing MH370, doing in an Israeli hangar?

Because this was such a suspicious and ominous development that clearly had the very real potential to become another 9/11-type attack, I delved further into the questions surrounding this mysterious plane in Israel and its relationship with the missing MH370 in a series of articles:

"Why is a Twin of the Missing MH370 in a Hangar in Israel?"
- April 18, 2014
www.bollyn.com/why-does-israel-have/

"Was MH370 Hijacked thru Remote Access to its Computer System?"
- April 24, 2014
www.bollyn.com/was-mh370-hijacked-by-remote-access-to-its-computer-system/

"Was MH370 a U.S./Israeli False Flag Operation?"
- April 30, 2014
www.bollyn.com/14671/

I wrote and called GA Telesis several times to try and get an explanation why they had given the plane a new registration number, N105GT, and then flown it to Israel - months after it had been slated for dismantling in the United States? The company, however, refused to provide any explanation.

Now, months later, GA Telesis comes out with a back-dated press release that they slipped into their archives. It is clear, however, that this is a fabricated press release, crafted long after the Israeli twin was exposed on this website. The fraudulent press release does not appear in the Internet archives of the GA Telesis website from December 1, 2013. GA Telesis has been caught in a crude attempt trying to create a plausible history for the Israeli twin of MH370. Why would they be posting this after-the-fact press release now if they did not publish it when the plane was actually sent to Israel?

Here is the fabricated press release that was back-dated to October 4, 2013, and slipped into the archives:


Source: www.gatelesis.com/ga-telesis-acquires-boeing-777-200er-for-dismantle/

The following screen-shot shows how GA Telesis inserted the fabricated press release, dated October 4, 2013, into the archives between one from August 21 and another from October 11:


Source: http://www.gatelesis.com/category/press/page/2/

The Internet archive capture from December 1, 2013, clearly shows that there was no press release dated October 4, 2013, about the Malaysia Airlines twin being sent to Israel - until quite recently, that is:


Source: web.archive.org/web/20131201071225/http://www.gatelesis.com/category/press/

The fact that GA Telesis created a fraudulent and back-dated press release to try and provide a plausible cover story for the Israeli twin of MH370 shows that they are trying to remove suspicion from a very suspicious plane and chain of events. It tells me that they are trying to cover their tracks - and have now been caught doing so.

- See more at: http://bollyn.com/#article_14753

[Agape]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/flight-mh370-search--malaysian-jet-s-tail--found-near-vietnam-by-british-marine-archaeologist-131717611.html#9U5KFGT

British marine archaeologist claims he's found MH370 debris off Vietnam coast - 3,000 miles from search area

Tim Akers, 56, believes he has identified a section of what he thinks is a tail of the missing jet off the coast of Vietnam - around 1,000 miles from where the plane took off in Kuala Lumpur



That's what I said at the first place , that it logically flew to the East and dived some somewhere to the depth of China Sea .


:panda:

[Zionbrion]

“The fact is, we may even see, on 9/11/14, MH-370 resurface again. We should be prepared for anything. We should go to DEFCON-1, which is our highest state of readiness, and be prepared as we lead up to 9/11.” -Ret. Lt. Gen. Thomas G. McInerney
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Original article: http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/08/25/video-lt-general-mcinerney-warns-may-seen-last-flight-370/

[Carmody]

Just a little reality on the debris field front. Why there should have been a way to find something. from the Swissair flight 111 crash, in water... in Canada:


"An estimated 2 million pieces of debris were recovered and brought ashore....."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111

[Slorri]

MH370 was 'shot down by US military', claims former French airline boss

http://rt.com/news/216675-mh370-shot-down-us/


A former French airline CEO Marc Dugain claims that the US may have shot down Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 and then covered it up, adding to a rash of conflicting theories about the missing plane.

In a six-page article published by French weekly Paris Match, Dugain claims that the Boeing 777 may have got into trouble and as it was approaching the US military base on the British territory of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, it was shot down. US forces may have feared the plane was attempting a 9/11 style attack on the base, Dugain said.

[Cidersomerset]

Ref to Jackovesks thread.....

MYSTERY ISLAND: Did US forces shoot down flight MH370?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78263-MYSTERY-ISLAND-Did-US-forces-shoot-down-flight-MH370&p=915171#post915171

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French ex-airline boss claims cover-up on MH370

Sunday 21st December 2014 at 10:53 By David Icke


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‘Former airline boss and famous French author Marc Dugain argued Thursday that there
had been a cover-up in the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, speculating
that the passenger jet could have been hacked and then shot down by the US.

Dugain, a well-respected French author, argues that the Boeing 777 carrying 239 people
crashed near Diego Garcia, a British island in the middle of the Indian Ocean used as a
strategic air force and intelligence base by the US military, in the six-page article in Paris Match.

The US has always officially denied that flight MH370 came anywhere near Diego Garcia.’

Read more: French ex-airline boss claims cover-up on MH370

http://www.france24.com/en/20141218-dugain-malaysia-airlines-mh370-disappearance-diego-garcia-cover-up/

[Cidersomerset]

Its been picked up by the Mail..........



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/sitelogos/logo_mol.gif


'U.S. military shot down MH370 because they thought it had been
hacked and was about to be used in terror attack', claims former airline boss
Marc Dugain says U.S. Navy in Indian Ocean attacked the plane
He claims that islanders saw the plane fly close to a U.S. base
Also alleges that a spy told him to back away from his probe into MH370

By Sam Webb for MailOnline

Published: 13:53, 22 December 2014 | Updated: 19:57, 22 December 2014

A former airline boss and writer claims the U.S. downed Malaysia Airlines flight
MH370 because the military feared it had been taken over by hackers and was
about to be used in a 9/11-style attack.

Marc Dugain, the former chief executive of now-defunct Proteus Airlines, said
the jumbo jet was shot down near a U.S. military base on the remote island of
Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean after it was hacked.

He told Paris Match that islanders in the Maldives near Diego Garcia told him
they saw the missing aircraft flying low.

Dugain spoke of a fisherman on a small island who spoke of a 'huge plane' in
Malaysie Airline's colours on March 8.



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/22/2438937800000578-2883651-image-a-9_1419256333308.jpg
The former airline exec told Paris Match that islanders in the Maldives near
Diego Garcia told him they saw the missing aircraft flying low.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/22/23FB912300000578-0-Marc_Dugain_the_former_chief_executive_of_now_defunct_Proteus_Ai-a-2_1419255322857.jpg





Video released to explain the search efforts for flight MH370....on link

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html#ixzz3MjCBdJqA
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He also said islanders had found an empty fire extinguisher from the plane
in the water near Baarah island.

The Senegal-born Frenchman, who is now a successful novelist, also told a
radio station he was warned not to investigate MH370 by an intelligence
source, who spoke of 'risks' and counselled him to 'let time do its work'.



Last week grieving family members of Chinese passengers from a missing
Malaysia Airlines flight protested outside the foreign ministry in Beijing
Friday accusing the government of failing to provide them with regular
updates on the search for the aircraft.

About 30 people, many of them elderly, gathered at the gates of the
ministry with temperatures approaching freezing and were confronted
by a line of police.




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/22/048369EE0000044D-2883651-image-a-4_1419255798602.jpg
The U.S. Navy Support Facility at Diego Garcia, British Indian Ocean
Territory. Dugain claims the U.S. feared the plane was about to be used in a terror outrage


Family of MH370 victim to sue airline and government


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/22/240A57A200000578-2883651-image-a-3_1419255686493.jpg
Leading Seaman, Boatswain's Mate, William Sharkey searches for debris
on a rigid hull inflatable boat in the Southern Indian Ocean in April. In
the background is HMAS Perth, which was involved in the search

They demanded to speak to government officials in a bid to get more
Information on the search for flight MH370. Police manhandled and
pushed protesters that attempted to enter the gate and warned
passersby to leave the area immediately.

'My son is alive and I want to know what the government is doing to
find him,' said Liu Dianyun, the mother of one of the passengers.

Some drove for two hours to attend the demonstration, despite
acknowledging that their efforts were unlikely to produce results.

Chinese passengers account for about two-thirds of the 239 people
who were aboard the Boeing 777, which vanished on March 8 en
route from Kuala Lumpur to China's capital.

Dozens of their relatives were reportedly beaten and arrested earlier this year.

Australia has been spearheading the hunt for the plane, which is
believed to have crashed in the southern Indian Ocean off
western Australia.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html#ixzz3MjCuzGrF
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[Hervé]

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Aviation expert wants Australia to prove plane is in Indian Ocean (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-mh370-aviation-expert-wants-australia-prove-plane-indian-ocean-1493391)

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/thumb/1371846/samantha-payne.jpg?w=54&h=54&l=59&t=45By Samantha Payne (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/reporters/samantha-payne)
March 24, 2015 19:11 GMT


http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1404944/mh370.jpg?w=736
One year on after MH370 disappeared, no trace of wreckage has been found(Getty)


A military aviation technology expert has written to the Australian government to debunk its theory that missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is lying in the southern Indian Ocean.

In a letter exclusively obtained by IBTimes UK addressed to Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop and Defence Minister David Johnston, Andre Milne, alleges the country's claims surrounding MH370 crashed into the southern Indian Ocean are false and amount to a "criminal act of fabrication of evidence".


http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1430434/andre-milne.jpg
(Unicorn Aerospace)


The official Malaysia report (http://mh370.mot.gov.my/download/FactualInformation.pdf)released earlier in March said the latest satellite data via British firm Inmarsat proved the plane flew for several hours before it crashed into the Indian Ocean on 8 March 2014. The airliner had mysteriously veered off its course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing for reasons still not known. No distress signal was sent.

Malaysia Prime Minister Najib Razak at the time said it was believed the aeroplane's transponder, which emits an identifying signal was "deliberately disabled" before the plane changed direction and continued flying for a further seven hours.

The last communication between the plane and ground staff, where the pilot or co-pilot is heard saying: "Goodnight Malaysian three seven zero," happened at 1.19am.

But Milne on behalf of the victims' families is calling for additional answers by the Australian government to help fill in the gaps and prove its "seventh arc" theory that the Boeing 777, which had 239 passengers on board, is located in the Indian Ocean. He states the theory lacks "corroborative evidence".


http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1416388/mh370-underwater-search-areas-planning-map.jpg?w=736
MH370 underwater search areas planning map(Australia Transport Safety Bureau)


"The families will not have peace until they get to the truth about what really happened to MH370," he said.



He outlines five facts to the Australia's Ministry of Defence that he alleges puts in doubt the current theory that the plane is in the southern Indian Ocean. He argues:


not one piece of corroborative radar data to support your Artificial Incursion Theory has been produced by the governments of Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom all of whom as members of the Five Powers Defense Agreement have joint access to the Integrated Air Defense System that at all times had full command and full control of the very same airspace that you as Minister of Defence claim MH370 did trespass through illegally prior to then crashing into the southern Indian Ocean



not one piece of corroborative radar data to support your Artificial Incursion Theory has been produced by the United States of America, the People's Republic of Indonesia, the People's Republic of Thailand and the People's of Republic of India – all of whom are signatory members of the United Nations, which operate multiple overlapping early warning aerospace threat incursion detection systems in the exact same airspace that you as Minister of Defence claim MH370 did trespass through illegally prior to then crashing into the southern Indian Ocean



not one piece of corroborative radar data to support your Artificial Incursion Theory has been produced by the Jindalee system, [The Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) is an over-the-horizon radar network that can monitor air and sea movements across 37,000 km2], that you as Minister of Defence is bound by parliament to ensure Australia is at all times warned in real time of any and or all acts of illegal aerospace trespass that your Artificial Incursion Theory allowed
The single most extensive search operation ever conducted in human history involving; over one hundred ships, helicopters and sophisticated aircraft with advanced search and detection systems deployed by over 24 United Nations member states with a combined crew of over 10,000 highly trained professionals. Over one hundred million man hours of more than three million world volunteers searching and examining high-definition images captured by multiple satellite data systems released by a US based company called Digital Globe of the full perimeter of your Artificial Incursion Theory. Are all collectively unable to locate one single piece of aircraft wreckage and or any physical evidence that is corroborative in any way to your Artificial Incursion Theory?


http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1430397/mh370.jpg?w=697



The private contractor employed by the FPDA known as INMARSAT that released satellite data in regards to MH 370 did not include any of the data that would have been transmitted directly to the 24 hour per day monitoring technicians at Rolls Royce via the multiple self-contained sensors in each of the Rolls Royce engines upon MH 370 that would have detected in real time and then tramsmitted direct to Rolls Royce, the extreme changes in a) oil compression levels, b) atmospheric pressure levels, c) altitiude pressure levels, d) cabin pressure levels, e) fuel consumption levels that would have occurred at the specific moments of incident at the points on the attached Visual Schematic marked as Incident One, which is the moment of extreme evasive, and or counter evasive flight actions claimed by the FPDA IADS HQ at Base Butterworth and claimed in data by INMARSAT starting at approx 2:22 am lasting for a total of three minutes of time and marked as incident Two, which is the moment of exhaustion of fuel upon MH370 that occurred as claimed by INMARSAT, The Prime Minister of Malaysia, The Minister of Defence of Malaysia, The Prime Minister of Australia, and yourself as Minister of Defence, that occurred at the specific moment of the final transmission of data from the engines upon MH 370 to INMARSAT that occurred at approx 8:17am lasting less than one minute of time.

He demands the following requests from the Australian government to further prove their theory the airliner is in the southern Indian Ocean.


corroborative data from Rolls Royce that synthesises perfectly with the specifics of incident One and Incident Two as located on the attached visual schematic
a document of verifiable facts that explains why Inmarsat and the AAIB did not disclose the Rolls Royce data.
a document of verifiable facts that explains why the data of Incident One that was disclosed by Inmarsat is of a three-minute incident when the extreme evasive flight action claims by the FPDA IADS would generate a minimum of 12 minutes of Rolls Royce data.
a document of verifiable facts that details what transpired following Rolls Royce alarm detection of the event at Incident One on the attached visual reference.
a document of verifiable facts that explains why the data of Incident Two that was disclosed by Inmarsat is of a multi second incident when the extended gradual descent of intersection with the Indian Ocean would generate between eight to 16 minutes of Rolls Royce data.
a document of verifiable facts that explains why the multiple broadcast signal receives network Rolls Royce uses was not angulated to calculate the event of Incident Two being final trajectory arc drop to impact point.
a document of verifiable facts that explains why the multiple radar systems of Indonesia was unable to detect MH 370 as it trespassed through the airspace of Indonesia.
a document of verifiable facts that explains how the multiple radar systems of Thailand was incorrect in detecting an unknown aircraft from the last known location of MH 370 that was tracked by Thailand radar as flying direct to and landing at Airforce Base Butterworth
a document of verifiable facts that explains how the advanced OTH radar system used by United States at Diego Garcia was unable to detect MH 370 trespassing Indonesian airspace, trespassing into the Australian JINDALEE system and then unable to pinpoint the crash site of MH 370 into the Indian Ocean.
a document of verifiable facts that explains how the advanced OTH radar system used by Australia's JINDALEE was unable to detect and track MH370 trespassing the JINDALEE system and then intersecting into the Indian Ocean without generating hard data in real time of the exact time and site of the crash of MH370 on 8 March 2014.

In conclusion, his letter states: "Failure to refute and disqualify my submission validates my allegation that your claim MH370 exited Malaysian airspace to crash in the Indian Ocean is not only an Artificial Incursion Theory but a criminal act of fabrication of evidence."

Milne has since complained to Interpol to investigate what he claims to be a "clear violation of the protocols of Chicago Convention Section 25 International Civil Aviation Organ (ICAO) of the United Nations.

He wrote: "My investigative action suggests that a now documented pattern of corruption by unknown officials exists that is resulting in the premeditated fabrication of artificial claims and artificial evidence is being facilitated in an effort to create a cover up and or a diversion from the factual truth related to MH370.

"Primary motives for creating a cover up are a criminal act occurred during the flight and unfolded in such a way as to have negative impact upon the parties investigating and or associated with the investigative parties or an anomalous act occurred during the flight and unfolded in such a way as to be in conflict with legitimate issues of national security upon the parties investigating and or associated with the investigative parties."

IBTimes UK is waiting for a response from the Australia's ministry of defence and Interpol in response to Milne's letters. However, we have seen an acknowledgement from the office of Julie Bishop MP saying the matter would be brought to her attention. However nine months later, no other response has been sent to Milne about his concerns.

When asked where he thinks MH370 is located, Milne replied: "It is premature and utterly irresponsible to talk about any theory without having any physical evidence."
But he criticised the authorities for discrediting the findings of highly recognised scientific firm GeoResonance, which claimed the plane may have crashed in the Bay of Bengal. The firm had identified an aircraft wreck via its satellites, 190km south of the Bangladesh coastline and called the Australian Transport and Safety Bureau (ATSB), "ignorant" and "slanderous" at the time for not exploring it.

GeoResonance also questioned why Australian over-the-horizon radar did not detect the Boeing 777, given the theory that it crashed into the Southern Indian Ocean, and criticised Inmarsat for releasing only the data that confirmed its "seventh arc" theory instead of publishing all of the raw data to explore alternative locations.

"If it comes out in public that the aircraft is where GeoResonance said it was then you can also add insurance fraud to all the other charges against the parties involved," Milne said.


http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1386834/jorn-radar-locations.jpg
JORN radar locations at Laverton, Alice Springs, Longreach and JCC RAAF EdinburghGeoResonance


"If the plane went into the over-the-horizon radar we would know exactly where it hit the water. No doubt."

The official 584-page report on 8 March pointed to only one failing that the battery of the aircraft's underwater locator beacon had run out more than a year before and that there was no "unusual engine behaviour".

Bill Sullivan, a spokesman for Rolls-Royce, said there was no other data was transmitted from their engines after the ACARS (Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System) ceased transmission. "We concur with the findings of the report regarding our engines," he said.

The last ACARS transmission was sent via the plane's computers to computers on the ground at 1.07am but the expected 1.37am transmission was never sent.

No sign of the plane has ever been traced. It has been dubbed one of the biggest aviation mysteries of all time.

[Cidersomerset]

I just saw this article............................


http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/images4/206jh_asia_map.jpg


AOL.............


Maldives islanders 'saw low-flying jet the morning MH370 disappeared'

Locals in Kudahuvadhoo claim aircraft was so low they could see plane's doors


By Roshina Jowaheer, Apr 4, 2015
Updated: April 4, 2015 5:52 AM


Locals on a tiny island in the Maldives claim they saw a low-flying plane the morning
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March last year.

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Kudahuvadhoo residents reported witnessing "a low-flying jumbo jet" the day the flight
from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished.According to The Australian, some of the locals
do not understand why investigators involved in the search have not visited them to
hear first-hand about the large plane they say they saw.They say they saw distinctive red
and blue markings, similar to the stripes on the missing plane.

Ahmed Shiyaam, 34, an IT manager, said: "I'm very sure of what I saw on a very clear
and bright day, and what I saw was not normal- the plane was very big, and low. I did
not know until later that other people saw it too. I don't know if it's the Malaysia plane."

Ahmed Ibrahim, 40, saw it from his garden and said: "This was not a normal sight - the
plane was different. It was very big, very noisy, flying low. Later that afternoon on the
beach I was told the news about the missing plane. I think this is the same flight."

According to the Daily Mail, the Maldives National Defence Force released a statement
after MH370's disappearance which denied there had been any aircrafts in the area at
the time. But locals say this was an attempt to hide the limitations of their radar facilities.

Speaking to Haveeru, one witness said: "I've never seen a jet flying so low over our
island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I
could even make out the doors on the plane clearly."

Meanwhile, scientists from Curtin University's Centre for Marine Science and Technology
say they cannot rule out the possibility that a distinctive high-energy noise they measured
around the time of the presumed crash might have been the sound of the plane hitting the
ocean in an area near the Maldives.

Read More.....


http://travel.aol.co.uk/2015/04/04/maldives-locals-saw-low-flying-jet-mh370-disappearance-theory/?ncid=webmail2

[Hervé]

I just saw this article............................
[...]

My, my... Cider... glad you caught up :)

See post # 912 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=813819&viewfull=1#post813819), post # 1144 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=818797&viewfull=1#post818797), post # 1154 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=818819&viewfull=1#post818819)...

Thanks for the confirmation :)

[syrwong]

The evidence from the islanders is very important. It can pull apart all disinformation and lies from the Cabals. However, the control of information is almost total except for the scattered alternative reports. I could imagine there were tens of witnesses and a video may have been taken, but unfortunately they took it to the authority instead of posting to the Tubes.

[Hervé]

Just a little reality on the debris field front. Why there should have been a way to find something. from the Swissair flight 111 crash, in water... in Canada:


"An estimated 2 million pieces of debris were recovered and brought ashore....."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111

Indeed: How come?


MH370 Search May Be in the Wrong Place Again (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/16/mh370-search-may-be-in-the-wrong-place-again.html)

Clive Irving (http://www.thedailybeast.com/contributors/clive-irving.html)04.16.151:12 PM ET


There is no previous case in the history of modern intercontinental jets where a crash into an ocean has not produced floating wreckage.Australia admits it may look at a new patch of ocean. What’s more worrying than the undiscovered yet is that not one piece of floating wreckage has been spotted where it should’ve washed up.

Something significant was missing when senior ministers from Malaysia, Australia and China announced a new effort to find the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on Thursday. There was no mention of what is fast becoming the most perplexing feature of this multi-layered mystery: why has no floating wreckage turned up?

Make no mistake, the more time that passes without a single piece of floating wreckage being found the stranger it gets.

There is no previous case in the history of modern intercontinental jets where a crash into an ocean has not produced floating wreckage – and within days of the disaster. No matter how violent the impact of an airplane hitting the water there will always be some scattered debris that never sinks.

Last fall the Australian Transport Safety Board, who are directing the sea search for the Boeing 777, said they had assigned a team of experts usually used to predict the path of oil spills to produce a “drift model” – a highly sophisticated calculation combining ocean currents, wind and weather patterns and knowledge of the buoyancy of airplane wreckage – in order to predict when and where wreckage from Flight 370 would appear in places where it would be spotted.

At that time the Australians said that their best guess was that wreckage could take as long as a year to appear and that the most likely place was the long coastline of Western Sumatra on the Indonesian archipelago.

With more than a year gone by, nothing has turned up.

[...]

Full article: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/16/mh370-search-may-be-in-the-wrong-place-again.html

[Roisin]

In this thread, I indicated after only 3 days after the disappearance of this flight that it will never be found.... that based on an inner vision I had. Then I had another inner vision about it a week later and it indicated the same thing.

Now, over a year later, this plane has still not been found. That there is no debris or anything washing up on the shores is a strong indication that they will never find this plane or know what really happened to it.

Below is my post in this thread 3 days after this plane went missing where I am describing an inner vision about that flight saying that it flew into a tunnel/vortex:

"I had an inner vision during my morning meditation session today. But just before I started that session, I asked what happened to that plane. Well, I got lucky because while I was meditating, an inner eye scene popped in where I was sitting in a plane where the pilots were up front in an open cockpit so I could see what they were seeing out of the planes' windshield.
What I saw:
So I'm sitting in this plane as we are approaching a very tall brick wall. It was so tall, I couldn't even see the top of it and it seemed to go on forever. Well, when we were face to face with that brick wall, the plane then shifted into flying in a vertical direction, like a helicopter, up the that wall so fast, it made me nauseous. Then the plane stopped flying UP and the wall opened up showing a tunnel where the plane then flew into it ... and into darkness. That was the end of that vision. "

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=807589&viewfull=1#post807589

The tunnel/vortex in that vision turned out to be possibly a metaphor indicating that it will never be found.

[Flash]

Or that they truly flew into a vortex. Purposefully created or not (re the Bermuda triangle and the movie Close encounter of the third kind)

[Harley]

CNN Breaking News <BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com>
3:09 PM (4 minutes ago)

to BreakingNews

Debris found in the Indian Ocean appears to be part of a Boeing 777, the type of airliner flown by Malaysia Airlines that disappeared in 2014, according to a source close to the investigation.

The source said there is a unique element to the Boeing 777's flaperon, a wing component, that observers believe they are seeing in photos.

The debris was found Wednesday off the coast of Reunion Island, a French department in the western Indian Ocean.

Get complete coverage of breaking news on CNN TV, CNN.com and CNN Mobile.

[Harley]

From the blog of Xavier Tytleman, a former military pilot who now specialises in aviation security (http://blog-peuravion.fr/2015/07/a-t-on-retrouve-les-premiers-debris-du-mh370/#more-1453) (Translated)

A do we found the first remains of the MH370?

Published on July 29, 2015 by Xavier

http://blog-peuravion.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/photo-5-300x224.jpg

The day begins with an innocuous call for the Meeting. It was found on the beach of debris that resemble those of an airplane wing. Some pictures later, no certainty, except that it is indeed a plane piece (asymmetry above / below). Too rounded, not deep enough, the room however not like the wing of a modern airliner or a leisure tourist plane.

http://blog-peuravion.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/8077714-12589277-300x214.png

AvGeek The team then launched research. This is a closed forum in which pilots, enthusiasts and aviation specialists exchange out of sight, allowing to issue all assumptions ... ideas fuse and lead the most probable: the shutter box an airliner.

http://blog-peuravion.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/8077714-12589210-300x214.jpg

It remains to define which plane, and we get into comparing hundreds of photos of airliners. The missing element will come from a pilot friend, LustuCrew , who sent me the schematics of flaperons of the Boeing 777.

http://blog-peuravion.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/6cf9f0f12aee0e65182ce9a1ca4b450f-300x169.jpg

The similarity is incredible, "although the gap is seen for outboard actuator, the O ..." Here the little montage:

http://blog-peuravion.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/flaperon.jpg

Would we found the first remains of the MH370, the Boeing 777 Malaysia Airlines in March 2014 diparu off Australia without a trace? The debris does not seem very degraded and gendarmes there think they might be immersed for about a year ...

Reference is also indicated on the debris: BB670. This code does not correspond to the registration of an airplane, or the serial number of a device. By cons, if it belongs to the flaperon MH370, then it is clear that this reference will be identified quickly. In a few days we will have a definitive answer.

Further to several messages on Twitter that found debris in the Meeting does not mean that the MH370 has been so far. By spoiling off Australia, its remains have simply been swept away by the current, and fail at this place after a year ...

Image Credit:

Ouissem Gombra / Imaz Press
Yannick Pitou / RTL Meeting

[Rocky_Shorz]

that is less than 1500 miles from diego garcia...

ocean current map

http://www.freewebs.com/svobelisk/Route_Map/ocean_currents2_resized.jpg

Location of Diego Garcia

http://i.infopls.com/images/indocean.gif

[Harley]

Well it took them a little longer than I thought (see my post HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=822976&viewfull=1#post822976)):

[Snip]
But I wouldn't worry about it too much now because I expect that soon they will find the wreckage in the vicinity of the search area. Especially if something did go wrong, they probably can't afford NOT to find it where they are looking.

Wait until things cool down sufficiently and then, with some well-placed "evidence" and some "experts" to confirm it, close the case.

Sure there will still be some dissenters out there for awhile. But in-time most will all fade away, and those left will simply be categorized as a Conspiracy Theorist.

(Ref: 911)

They've been using this same system for many years and it still works quite well.

[Rocky_Shorz]

if you look at the currents, where they were searching would have pulled to the deepest part of the sea swinging around southern Austrailia...

the only currents heading to Madagascar come from Diego Garcia and North... not east...

look at the fulford thread where I put everything together of what really happened in post 110 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70263-Benjamin-Fulford-April-8-2014&p=915844&viewfull=1#post915844)

[Hervé]

From post # 912 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=813819&viewfull=1#post813819):



LOOK !

https://fwtinw.dm2303.livefilestore.com/y2pJH4W-g0YWF6bxJ9n7KIh8x2F4nOrE79XJUgYpem3IYXhhrL1boBGfbIseRr9mA6_NYlrYLQmZ78t11u1tjBpSu8Z4_WzuKEQmfE1JSY6l pw/MH370-03.jpg?psid=1

http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/ChagosMap-v3-940.gif


So, how did they managed to get this:

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/satellite-contact-map-by-sergio-pec3a7anha-archie-tse-and-tim-wallace-source-malaysian-government.jpg

... with multiple eyewitnesses reporting of a low flying jet in the Maldives... North of Diego Garcia:



Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)



By Daniel Bosley (http://minivannews.com/author/daniel-bosley/) | March 18th, 2014 |


http://minivannews.com/files/2014/03/Boeing_777-200ER_Malaysia_AL_MAS_9M-MRO_-_MSN_28420_404_9272090094.jpg (http://minivannews.com/society/kudahuvadhoo-islanders-spotted-low-lying-mystery-aircraft-in-hours-after-mh370-disappearance-80268)


With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan

Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

“It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.
“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.

Police have confirmed they are looking into the reports without providing further comment.

Co-author of the original story (http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062) Ahmed Naif explained that Haveeru had been receiving similar reports since March 9, but had been concerned about the credibility of the sightings.

“Later we were getting so many comments that we contacted the island and they said it was true,” explained Naif.

One islander, who identified himself as Hamzath, told Minivan News that had also seen a low-flying plane heading from north-west to south-east, though he remained wary of jumping to conclusions.

“People started talking about it when they realised that the flight that we saw had the same characteristics as of the missing plane,” he said. ”We are still not saying it is the same plane, we just wanted to report it just in case.”

Another witness – who wished to remain anonymous – confirmed a similar height and direction but did not see the plane’s colours, while another suggested that the reports had been exaggerated.

“A plane did fly near the island,” said the anonymous witness. “It wasn’t that big, as big as people say.”

“These days people will be out fishing every morning. Around thirty people would always be there in the morning – but no one talked about it then. If it was that noticeable, loud and big, people would talk.”


http://minivannews.com/files/2014/03/73631595_malaysian_airliner_search_v1_976map1.gif












See these posts as well: post # 1144 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=818797&viewfull=1#post818797), post # 1154 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=818819&viewfull=1#post818819)...

[Rocky_Shorz]

flight MH370 was seen landing north of Diego GarCIA on one of the Maldive Islands...

here it is again...


Remote pilots flying the plane as a drone, engine or onboard fire, wounded plane searching for the closest private airport...

They had one small landing strip... the natives heard the low flying plane...


http://laamudiveandsurf.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/airport.jpg

that landing strip is the Island below the green dot where an airplane engine fire extinguisher tank washed up to shore... how wounded was this plane?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/maldives-fire-bottle.jpg

the bottom black line on the flight path is the island

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-mh370-maldives.png


to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, an official story was noticed...



The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
March 29, 2014
tags: flight 173 mH 370 maldives 615 am 8 mar 2014 INMARSAT satellite data jacksons intl airport flight 55093 N13979 Google Maps, flight MH370 pings maldives indian ocean hong kong gulf of guinea march 2014 flight 173, maldives mar 8 2014 flight 173 and flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport no Radar - pings INMARSAT SATELLITE with ACAS, N13979 Google Maps (1), no Radar flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport eyewitness 8 mar 2014 615 am lands 620 am defense military technology Google Maps (2), The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar - National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport

link (http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.wordpress.co m/2014/03/29/the-maldives-where-flight-mh370-was-seen-8-mar-2014-615-am-not-picked-up-by-radar-national-defense-force-or-kadhdhoo-airport/)

and yes you read that right...

seen 6:15

Lands 6:20...
[/QUOTE]


was it destroyed and tossed in the sea? or just a hunk of it...

where did all the people go?

Corey might say, the Mars slave manufacturing facility...

[noxon medem]

..
- Interesting developement ..
There was reports of "strange/technical equipment"
( was/is here on this forum archives on/about that incident )
washed up on shores in that area shortly after the "crash"
( in unknown waters or territories ..).
- so far .. ( and beyond ! )

Anyone remember something about this ?
( I have other things needed to use my mind for )
- these days , and more .. ( mm )

Here are some recent links to european media about it :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/11771229/MH370-wreckage-found-on-Reunion-matches-Malaysia-Airlines-flight.html


Fragments of a wing washed up in the French island of Reunion could be wreckage from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, says aviation expert

http://www.clicanoo.re/484918-saint-andre-un-morceau-d-aile-bien-mysterieux.html
( original link in post, french language )


Be well, all .
nm

:- )

[Rocky_Shorz]

In my post before yours I put the info on where the fire extinguisher tank washed up on shore, I have never heard anything about electronics...

[regnak]

Debris found in the western Indian Ocean on Wednesday appears to be part of a Boeing 777, the same model as Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that disappeared in 2014, according to a source close to the investigation.

The source said there is a unique element to the Boeing 777's flaperon, a wing component, that Boeing observers believe they are seeing in photos.

The debris was found Wednesday off the coast of Reunion Island, a French department in the western Indian Ocean. It is being examined to determine whether it is connected to flight MH370, a member of the French air force in Reunion said Wednesday.


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/mh370-debris-investigation/

[WhiteLove]

Debris found in the western Indian Ocean on Wednesday appears to be part of a Boeing 777, the same model as Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that disappeared in 2014, according to a source close to the investigation.

The source said there is a unique element to the Boeing 777's flaperon, a wing component, that Boeing observers believe they are seeing in photos.

The debris was found Wednesday off the coast of Reunion Island, a French department in the western Indian Ocean. It is being examined to determine whether it is connected to flight MH370, a member of the French air force in Reunion said Wednesday.


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/29/africa/mh370-debris-investigation/

This could be the real thing or a deliberately planted part originating from the MH17. It is only when they find the complete wreckage that you can begin to draw some early conclusions and we are nowhere near yet.

The disappearances of MH370 and MH17 are full of mystery with multiple authorities not having put front radar evidence they have although they control the airspace there... For this reason, a proper investigation must have "foul play" as the main default lead - also because there are important local details in the scenarios that align perfectly to that theory.

[avid]

Thread title misleading as it is not proven. This type of reportage upsets families and friends of the missing, as they have had so many false 'finds' already. A relative stated this in a report on BBC2 this morning.

[Hervé]

Debris found in the western Indian Ocean [...]

HI Jonsnow, I merged your thread (MH370 Found) with this pre-existing one...

... and debris are far from constituting a whole plane...

[Tesseract]

30694

The modelling showed that debris plausibly could have drifted either east or west.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-30/almost-certain-washed-up-plane-debris-from-boeing-777-malaysia/6660846

[Hervé]

From: http://www.clicanoo.re/484918-saint-...ysterieux.html (http://www.clicanoo.re/484918-saint-andre-un-morceau-d-aile-bien-mysterieux.html)

Translation:
According to preliminary findings, it could possibly match the tail of an airliner. A hypothesis that remains to be confirmed for the moment.

Furthermore, the presence of many shells indicates that this piece of airplane sojourned in the ocean for a long while.

Obviously, some observers quickly thought of the March 2014 disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines aircraft which wreck was never found.

Since March 2014, the Boeing 777, which was flying between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing, has not beenn found, despite the colossal means deployed. The aircraft crashed - allegedly- in southern Indian Ocean, about 2000 km northwest of Perth, Australia, after flying for several hours away from the planned route.

Another track: Piper Aztec that crashed off Pierrefonds 4 May 2006 and which wreckage was also never found. But the materials of this aircraft does not match, a priori, to what was found this morning in Saint-André.

Others put forward the idea that it would be a piece of the Yemenia A310 which crashed off Comoros in June 2009

An identification number
The identification number found on the wing piece will allow air transport gendarmes responsible for the investigation to determine what type of aircraft it is. Each part can in fact be identified. Investigators also confirm that the debris remained for a while in the water.

Whether this piece can come from an airliner, they prefer to remain cautious on this assumption for the moment.

The Gendarmerie Brigade of air transport (BGTA) said the tail piece was taken to Gillot, to be scrutinized and, above all, to determine its origin.


From: http://www.clicanoo.re/485058-la-preuve-formelle-que-la-piece-de-bois-rouge-appartient-a-un-boeing-777.html


http://www.clicanoo.re/IMG/jpg/-18784.jpg

We were able to obtain the official maintenance manual of Boeing 777. Inside the piece found Wednesday morning at Bois Rouge there was a reference: 657 BB. In the manual Boeing 657 BB corresponds to a "Flaperon Leading Edge Panel" "Flaperon Actuator". Dimensions: 14x5. Drawing: 113W6110.

The piece found in Bois-Rouge therefore belongs to a Boeing 777. We bring the evidence. It remains to make the connection with the Boeing 777 200ER Malaysia Airlines. Keep in mind that the B777 200 ER is still reported missing in the Indian Ocean.

Alain Dupuis - Julien Delarue. Ludovic Lai Yu Photo


http://www.clicanoo.re/IMG/jpg/-18785.jpg

[araucaria]

The plane part was found to carry crustaceans but no algae, which is said to be consistent with the time supposedly spent in the water.

A suitcase was also found near the wing piece, badly damaged but reportedly not to the point of having spent that much time in the ocean.

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/malaysia-airlines/20150730.OBS3413/vol-mh370-une-valise-a-ete-trouvee-a-proximite-de-l-aile.html

[syrwong]

The way of the Cabal is not only foretelling you in obscure ways what will happen, but also explain to you what has happened after their ploy succeeded. The explanation is no doubt what they want you to believe. Given enough suggestions and bombardment most people would believe it.
This wreckage is a piece of suggestion that it was no conspiracy, merely an unexplained act of plane dropping into the ocean.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone: How convenient to have a piece of a Boeing 777 just laying on a beach. Doesn't seem to correlate with all the work involved searching the oceans for this aircraft......
chancy

Link:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/authorities-study-plane-debris-found-off-madagascar-links-005609506--finance.html;_ylt=AucFYCcvzeiixClk1ch5k9USscB_;_ylu=X3oDMTB1djhqM3RuBG1pdAMEcG9zAzIyBHNlYwNsbl9SZXV0 ZXJzX2dhbA--;_ylg=X3oDMTBhdnVpNmo3BGxhbmcDZW4tQ0E-;_ylv=3


Article:
Indian Ocean debris almost certainly from Boeing 777
ReutersBy By Joe Brock | Reuters – 12 minutes ago July 30- 2015


French gendarmes and police inspect a large piece of plane debris which was found on the beach in Saint-Andre, on the French Indian Ocean island of La Reunion, July 29, 2015. REUTERS/Zinfos974/Prisca Bigot

Reuters/Reuters - French gendarmes and police inspect a large piece of plane debris which was found on the beach in Saint-Andre, on the French Indian Ocean island of La Reunion, July 29, 2015. REUTERS/Zinfos974/Prisca …more

SAINT-DENIS, Reunion (Reuters) - Plane debris washed up on the French island of Reunion in the Indian Ocean is almost certainly part of a Boeing 777, a Malaysian official and aviation experts said, potentially providing some answers for families of those aboard last year's vanished flight MH370.

Malaysian investigators are due in Reunion on Friday and the object, identified by numerous aviation experts as part of a wing, is then due to be sent to a French military laboratory near Toulouse for checks, French police sources said.

National carrier Malaysia Airlines was operating a Boeing 777 on the ill-fated flight, which disappeared in March last year en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in one of the most baffling mysteries in aviation history. It was carrying 239 passengers and crew.

The debris was found on Wednesday washed up on Reunion, a volcanic island of 850,000 people that is a full part of France known as an "overseas department", located in the Indian Ocean near Africa.

It is roughly 3,700 km (2,300 miles) away from the broad expanse of the southern Indian Ocean off Australia, where search efforts have focused, but Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said currents could have carried wreckage that way.

"The location is consistent with the drift analysis provided to the Malaysian investigation team, which showed a route from the southern Indian Ocean to Africa."

Aviation experts who have seen widely circulated pictures of the debris said it may be a moving wing surface known as a flaperon, situated close to the fuselage.

"It is almost certain that the flaperon is from a Boeing 777 aircraft. Our chief investigator here told me this," Malaysian Deputy Transport Minister Abdul Aziz Kaprawi told Reuters.

There have been four serious accidents involving 777s in the 20 years since the widebody jet came into service. Only MH370 is thought to have crashed south of the equator.

"No hypothesis can be ruled out, including that it would come from a Boeing 777," the Reunion prefecture and the French Justice Ministry said in a joint statement.

PART OF WING?

Australia's Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss said a number stamped on the 2 to 2.5 meters (6.5 to 8 foot) chunk of debris might speed up its verification.

"This kind of work is obviously going to take some time although the number may help to identify the aircraft parts, assuming that's what they are, much more quickly than might otherwise be the case," he said.

France 2 television showed a picture of the wing part with the figures "657 BB" stamped on its interior. That corresponds to a code in the 777 manual identifying it as a flaperon and telling workers to place it on the right wing, according to a copy of a Boeing document that appeared on aviation websites.

A source close to the French investigation said the plan was to transfer the wing flap to France's European mainland, along with a fragment of luggage that had also been found in the area.

"We’re trying to get the debris of wing and the bag fragment sent off as soon as possible, if possible Friday, arriving probably on Saturday," said the source. The wing part would be sent to a military unit near Toulouse, while the luggage fragment may go to a police unit specialized in DNA tests.

Investigators believe someone may have deliberately switched off MH370's transponder before diverting it thousands of miles off course. Most of the passengers were Chinese. Beijing said it was following developments closely.

For the families of those on board, lingering uncertainty surrounding the fate of the plane has been agony. Some said the discovery of debris would still not solve the mystery.

"Even if we find out that this piece of debris belongs to MH370, there is no way to prove that our people were with that plane," said Jiang Hui, 41, whose father was on the flight.

Ghyslain Wattrelos, a French businessman whose wife and two children were on the missing flight, told French BFMTV the discovery of the debris had been "extremely painful".

"This doesn't give hope, this is a moment I have been fearing," he said. "As long as there wasn't any evidence of a crash, of wounded, of dead or whatever, there was a little glimmer of hope for us."

Zhang Qihuai, a lawyer representing some of the passengers' families, said a group of around 30 relatives had agreed they would proceed with a lawsuit against the airline if the debris was confirmed to be from MH370.

Daniel Rose, a partner at Kreindler & Kreindler LLP in New York, which is representing more than 50 victims' families, said the discovery is unlikely to trigger a wave of lawsuits.

Families are pursuing a settlement with insurer Allianz through Kreindler, he said, but the firm could sue before a two-year statute of limitations under the Montreal Convention, which governs such accidents, expires in March 2016.

Families want to sue in more favorable U.S. courts, a move that for most families would require arguing that an aircraft fault was at least partly to blame for the crash, he said.

"They're specifically not looking to have to file in China," Rose said. "They're much more interested in getting answers and the best place to do that is in the U.S."

One expert in psychology said the discovery could also give families a chance to grieve at last.

"If this is indeed debris from the jet, then it will provide families with much needed closure," said Nancy Smyth, dean of the University at Buffalo School of Social Work.

OCEAN CURRENTS

According to photographs, the piece of debris is fairly intact and with no burn marks or signs of impact. Flaperons help pilots control an aircraft while in flight. Boeing Co declined to comment on the photos.

Oceanographers said vast, rotating currents sweeping the southern Indian Ocean could have deposited wreckage from MH370 thousands of kilometers from where the plane is thought to have crashed.

If confirmed to be from MH370, experts will try to retrace the debris drift back to its source. But they caution that the discovery was unlikely to provide any more precise information about the aircraft's final resting place.

"This wreckage has been in the water - if it is MH370 - for well over a year so it could have moved so far that it's not going to be that helpful in pinpointing precisely where the aircraft is," Australia's Truss told reporters.

Robin Robertson, an oceanographer at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, said the timing and location of the debris made it "very plausible" that it came from MH370, given what was known about Indian Ocean currents.

[robinr1]

virtually nothing I see on tv or read in newspapers Is true....why is this any different. I donk think it is

[Hervé]

Hello Everyone:
[...]

Read post #1637 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=983874&viewfull=1#post983874) and the "almost certainly" becomes "certainly comes from a Boeing777"... the only uncertainty is: is that Boeing777 the one which flew as MH370 in March 2014?

Any way, I merged your thread with this pre-existing one.

[Harley]

virtually nothing I see on tv or read in newspapers Is true....why is this any different. I donk think it is

It's different because, after searching for over a year and spending probably millions of dollars, it's finally time to close the case.

Because sufficient time has now passed, most people (especially the relatives of the victims) are ready for it, they can now say whatever story they like. And although there will be a fairly brief moment in time where there will be a bit of an uproar, most of it will die down quickly and what's left will be placed in the "Conspiracy Theorists" categories.


It's all Make-Believe (https://www.google.com/search?q=make-believe&oq=make-believe&aqs=chrome..69i57.8951j0j8&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8) folks, i.e., it's what they want to Make-You-Believe.

[Cidersomerset]

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MH370 search: Reunion debris 'very likely' part of plane


6 minutes ago

From the section Asia

Short vids on link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33728658

It is "very likely" debris found on the Indian Ocean island of Reunion is
that of the missing flight MH370, a top Australian official has told the BBC.

Martin Dolan, who heads Australia's search efforts, also said the operation
was continuing "in the right place" in the southern part of the ocean.

The wreckage, said to be a wing part, is to be flown to France for analysis.

The Malaysia Airlines flight - a Boeing 777 travelling from Kuala Lumpur
to Beijing - vanished in March 2014.

There were 239 passengers and crew on board the plane when it went missing


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33728658

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

There seems to be no shortage of people who
sense that this story is a load of ... scheiße.

be happy :-)

lucidity

[KiwiElf]

It will "undoubtedly" be MH370... ;) I mean, how many [other] Boeing 777's are missing???? TPTB love the drama and build up. I agree with Lucidity... load of contrived... scheiße! :)

[Gaia]

Potential MH370 wreckage found Wreckage of an actuator from a Boeing 777 has washed ashore on the island of Reunion.

Amazing that in this day and age a 777 just vanishes and stays vanished for 15 months and counting. Is anyone else but me amazed that such a piece could float for this long?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-31/why-the-trail-of-clues-to-flight-370-now-leads-through-france

http://www.lapresse.ca/international/dossiers/vol-mh370/201507/30/01-4889172-des-debris-du-vol-mh370-transportes-par-le-courant-jusqua-la-reunion.php

[Hervé]

Potential MH370 wreckage found [...]]

Hello Gaia, I merged your thread with this pre-existing one :)

It is indeed very interesting that such a piece grew barnacles; yet no life jackets or anything else seen floating about.

[Gaia]

Potential MH370 wreckage found [...]]

Hello Gaia, I merged your thread with this pre-existing one :)

It is indeed very interesting that such a piece grew barnacles; yet no life jackets or anything else seen floating about.

merci Hervé :)


I'm no expert on flaps, so don't know if that's a common feature or unique to the 777.
I guess we will have to wait, can't be long until they have the aircraft type from the dimensions and then hopefully there's a serial number or something inside that will identify where it came from.

Hard to believe CNN, etc have not picked up on this story.




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http://www.zinfos974.com/photo/art/default/8077714-12589135.jpg?v=1438160455

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLMG7GsWoAE7FEG.jpg


Picture of the suitcase found yesterday at Saint-André

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLJdkZkXAAAgV-h.jpg:large

Seeing a suitcase is a reminder that a lot of innocent people died...

[Hervé]

From: http://www.clicanoo.re/485180-saint-andre-une-bouteille-avec-des-instructions-en-indonesien-trouvee-ce-matin.html



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Disturbing new discoveries on the coast of St. Andrew. After the debris of the tail piece and the suitcase, now are two bottles, one with instructions in Indonesian and one in Chinese that were found this morning.

The president of the Green Jobs Association has found one bottle this morning in Saint-André.

This new discovery made this morning by Johnny Begue, a member of an association to coastal clean ups reinforces a little more the hypothesis it coud come from the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 disappeared in 2014.

The discovery occurred in the same place where the wing debris Wednesday and, yesterday, the suitcase were found.

But this new discovery is to be taken with caution. Indeed, many freighters cross off the Réunion coasts. And it could very well come from one of these ships, not the Boeing 777 Malaysia Airlines towards which all eyes are turned.

A dozen journalists from international chains are already there and roam the coast to see if other parts have come aground on the coast.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


[...]

merci Hervé :)


I'm no expert on flaps, so don't know if that's a common feature or unique to the 777.
[...]

See post #1637 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=983874&viewfull=1#post983874)... and Yes, CNN has already published something and has a crew on the ground... beach combing :)

[Selkie]

Potential MH370 wreckage found [...]]

Hello Gaia, I merged your thread with this pre-existing one :)

It is indeed very interesting that such a piece grew barnacles; yet no life jackets or anything else seen floating about.

merci Hervé :)


I'm no expert on flaps, so don't know if that's a common feature or unique to the 777.
I guess we will have to wait, can't be long until they have the aircraft type from the dimensions and then hopefully there's a serial number or something inside that will identify where it came from.

Hard to believe CNN, etc have not picked up on this story.




http://www.zinfos974.com/photo/art/default/8078414-12590396.jpg?v=1438169900

http://www.zinfos974.com/photo/art/default/8077714-12589135.jpg?v=1438160455

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLMG7GsWoAE7FEG.jpg


Picture of the suitcase found yesterday at Saint-André

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLJdkZkXAAAgV-h.jpg:large

Seeing a suitcase is a reminder that a lot of innocent people died...

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the remains of the suitcase do not look like they have been in water for a long time? Torn and shredded, yes, but submerged for a long time...?

[avid]

Why the sudden resurgence of this issue? What is the distraction? After so much information perpetrated web-wide, something 'stinks' of cover-up, badly. Who profiteered?

[KiwiElf]

Let's just say that knowing the "publicly available technology" that exists today - and has done for several years ("they" can read the numbers on your letterbox from satellite for god's sake) that this whole situation reeks of lies and a coverup, IMHO. An "orchestrated littany of lies".

Let's just remember WHO was on that plane, and WHO had the most to benefit if the other shareholders of advanced technology perished? HINT: Rothschild, the remaining shareholder??? That's just one motive;)

Gaia,
Flaps are standard on most aircraft; at a low setting (ie 5-10 degrees down, they assist in a shorter take-off; on landing and a higher setting, (30-40 degrees), they act as a type of speedbrake and lower the stalling speed of an aircraft by creating drag - hope that helps :)

[Cidersomerset]

Field McConnell: "That Washed Up Part Isn't from MH370. it Was Put There."

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Published on 31 Jul 2015

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[Harley]

It was put there, along with the briefcase and anything else that they "find".

And you can bet your petootie on it.

:)

[ParakeetMGP]

I always thought the downing of MH17 was odd? Can't the pieces from it be planted on this location to distract? So? To me it isn't the only 777 as being said! There is another "One"

[KiwiElf]

And now an aircraft door has apparently washed up on the same island. (Video at link) Interesting that Yahoo is already claiming it belongs to MH370. Headline reads;

"Reports of MH370 plane door being washed up at Reunion Island"

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/video/watch/29161999/reports-of-mh370-plane-door-being-washed-up-at-reunion-island/#page1

The NEWS team claims that locals have found bits of what could be from a plane over the last few months (including a seat), but burned the debris.

[Hervé]

From: http://www.clicanoo.re/485417-un-objet-avec-des-ideogrammes-decouvert-sur-le-littoral-de-saint-denis.html



http://www.clicanoo.re/IMG/jpg/-19054.jpg
The piece found... Kettle? Pressure cooker?


I can't fathom how such a piece has been floating around for over a year... must have been one of those crustaceans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermit_crab) that adopted it as its home...




PS: See: http://www.clicanoo.re/485459-debris...-chinoise.html (http://www.clicanoo.re/485459-debris-du-mh370-ou-une-bouilloire-chinoise.html)

[Cidersomerset]

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MH370 search: 'Second plane part' found on Reunion

2 hours ago...From the section Asia

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/9DFA/production/_84624404_028389619.jpg
Volunteers have been searching for more plane debris on the beach in Reunion

A second piece of suspected plane debris has washed ashore on the Indian Ocean
island of Reunion, after a wing part suspected to come from the missing flight
MH370 was found on Wednesday. The object, believed to be the door of an aircraft,
was discovered just south of the city of St Denis. It is said to have writing on it and
possibly some illustration. The Malaysia Airlines flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing
disappeared last March with 239 people on board. Malaysia's transport ministry says
it now wants to expand the search for more debris around Reunion.

An Australian-led search effort for the plane has so far focused on a vast area of the
southern Indian Ocean about 4,000km (2,500 miles) to the east of Reunion.

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/BA1A/production/_84624674_map.jpg
No physical trace of the aircraft has been found.

Missing Malaysia plane: What we know

MH370: Behind the tenacious deep-sea hunt for missing plane

However, Malaysia's transport minister has confirmed that the object found on a beach
at St Andre on Wednesday is a wing flap from a Boeing 777 - the same type of aircraft
as the one that vanished. "This has been verified by French authorities together with
aircraft manufacturer Boeing," Liow Tiong Lai said on Sunday. The piece has gone to
France, where investigators in the city of Toulouse will seek to establish if it came from
MH370. They will begin their work this Wednesday.

Fragments of a suitcase found on the same beach are also to be examined.

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The first piece found on the beach was taken from Reunion for closer inspection

The centre in Toulouse was also involved in analysing debris from the Air France flight
AF447, which crashed on the way to Paris from Brazil in 2009, killing 228 people.
Investigators believe MH370 veered off course on the way to Beijing and crashed
into the sea - but they do not know why. In January Malaysian authorities declared
that all on board were presumed dead.Its estimated last location was based on
"pings" sent from the aircraft that were detected by satellite.

Simulation of where debris in search area could end up

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/3D1F/production/_84574651_mh370_debris_simulation_624map.png

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33750811

[KiwiElf]

Hmmm no doubt the whole plane will wash up on Reunion Island ;)

[Harley]

I always thought the downing of MH17 was odd? Can't the pieces from it be planted on this location to distract? So? To me it isn't the only 777 as being said! There is another "One"

The "Authorities" are saying that there is only one triple-7 missing in the world.

Some people are theorizing that these found parts are from the shot-down MH-17.

Folks, Boeing makes spares of every single part for all of their aircraft.

Each spare is marked with an identifying Part # and Serial #.

Obviously, as they are Spares, there are no markings or stamps to indicate what Air Frame they belong to.

Once a part has been Removed and Replaced, the new part will be stamped to indicate the Air Frame it now belongs to.

The old part will be discarded.

Really makes things rather easy, don't you think?

[Cidersomerset]

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MH370: French experts examine Reunion wing part

1 hour ago.....From the section Europe

French police officers inspect the wing part in Reunion (29 July 2015)
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Experts are seeking to confirm whether the wing part belonged to MH370


Experts are due to examine part of a wing that washed up on the island
of Reunion last week and is thought to have belonged to missing flight
MH370.The Boeing 777 piece has been taken to Toulouse in south-west
France.An Australian transport expert is helping out in the examination
at the invitation of the French authorities. Malaysian experts are also
attending.They may pronounce on the origin of the wing part either on
Wednesday or later this week, officials say.For reasons that remain
unclear the Malaysia Airlines plane veered off course on its way to
Beijing in March 2014 and crashed into the sea with 239 people on
board.Investigators hope to be able to determine the speed at which
MH370 hit the water, and use that information to advise search teams
to look for a plane that remains largely intact, or one that disintegrated
on impact.

The Direction Generale de l'Armement (DGA) facilities near Toulouse,
south-western France (July 2015)

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The examination in Toulouse may shed light on the plane's last moments

The examination of the wing part will start early on Wednesday afternoon,
AFP news agency reported. Attending will be French and Malaysian experts,
Boeing employees and representatives from China - the country that lost
most passengers in the disaster.Jean-Paul Troadec, the former head of the
French BEA agency that investigates air accidents, was quoted by AFP as
saying that the examination would concentrate on two issues - whether
the wing part belongs to MH370 and if so, whether it can provide any
information on the final moments of the plane.Mr Troadec said paint on
the wing part - which has already been confirmed as coming from a Boeing
777 plane - was a vital part of the investigation.

"Every airline paints their planes in a certain way... and if the paint used
is used by Malaysia Airlines and other companies, there may be more
certainty," he said.People in Reunion search a beach for possible plane
debris near the shore where a wing part was washed up (02 August 2015)

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/004D/production/_84677000_24418e5e-b3c5-4a40-b6fd-69e89530ea6c.jpg
The wing part is one of several pieces of suspected aircraft debris found recently in Reunion

Missing Malaysia plane: What we know

MH370: The deep-sea hunt for missing plane

[Hervé]

From http://www.clicanoo.re/485908-selon-le-premier-ministre-malaisien-le-debris-d-aile-est-celui-du-mh370.html:

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At 22h, the Paris prosecutor's office gave a press conference to give more information on conducted analyzes. The deputy prosecutor spoke, with great caution, "very strong presumptions" that the flaperon belonged to the missing plane. Presumptions supported by two reasons. On the one hand, Boeing confirmed that it was indeed a piece of Boeing 777 as our Editor had already discovered last week. On the other side, the leaders of Malaysia Airlines were able to compare the piece to the elements of the technical documentation, and noted that they were a match to the technical characteristics of the Flaperon.

A full analysis will be conducted tomorrow morning to confirm this "strong presumption", ended the prosecution.

Finally, the bag found on the same coast and sent for analysis in France, will be analyzed by the Criminal Research Institute of the gendarmerie.

The complete analysis of the piece, discovered on a beach in La Réunion in the Indian Ocean last Wednesday, should "take at least several days," according to a source closed to the investigation.

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[Cidersomerset]

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MH370: Reunion debris is from missing Malaysia flight
19 minutes ago...From the section Asia

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Part of the aircraft wing found on Reunion Island is from the missing MH370 plane,
Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has confirmed.Mr Najib said international
experts examining the debris in France had "conclusively confirmed" it was from
the aircraft.The Malaysia Airlines plane carrying 239 people veered off course from
Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in March 2014. The debris was found on the remote French
Indian Ocean island a week ago. The plane is believed to have crashed into the
southern Indian Ocean - though no evidence had been found despite a massive
search operation.

"It is with a very heavy heart that I must tell you that an international team of
experts has conclusively confirmed that the aircraft debris [...] is indeed MH370,"
Mr Najib told reporters."We now have physical evidence that [...] flight MH370
tragically ended in the southern Indian Ocean," he added.

Mr Najib said he hoped the discovery "will at least bring certainty to the families" of
the victims, saying the burden they had faced was "unspeakable".

'Very strong indications'

French prosecutor Serge Mackowiak later confirmed the wing fragment, known as a
flaperon, was from a Boeing 777 - the same make and model as the missing
Malaysian airliner.He said initial tests showed there were "very strong indications"
that it was from flight MH370. But he said confirmation would only come after
further tests on the fragment, which would begin on Thursday.

"[Investigators] will try to do it as soon as possible in order to provide total and
reliable information to the family of victims, who are on our minds at the moment,"
Mr Mackowiak added.


Analysis: Hugh Schofield, BBC News, Paris
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D6B3/production/_84636945_84636944.jpg
In this photo dated Wednesday, July 29, 2015, French police officers look over a
piece of debris from a plane in Saint-Andre, Reunion Island.

The debris was found last week on the Indian Ocean island of Reunion

The Paris prosecutor failed to be as categorical as the Malaysian prime minister in
asserting that the wing piece does come from MH370. All he said was that there are
very strong reasons to presume that it is from the missing plane. That does not
mean that the prosecutor has any reason to doubt the prime minister's conclusion -
simply that he is exercising supreme legal caution. In the coming days there will be
more tests on the flaperon and it's expected that these will prove the piece's origin.
After that, it will probably be many months before deeper analysis allows any
tentative deductions about how the plane may have come down.


The debris is being examined at an aeronautical test centre near Toulouse.

There is little doubt now that the flaperon will be declared the first evidence of
MH370 in the coming days as no other Boeing 777s are thought to have crashed in
the region.

'It's not over yet'

Relatives of the victims were told about the initial results shortly before Mr Najib's
news conference on Wednesday. Jackqita Gomes, the wife of crew member Patrick
Gomes, said: "Now that they have confirmed it as MH370, I know my husband is no
longer of this world but they just can't leave it with this one flaperon."

"We urge them to continue searching until they find the plane and bring it back,"
she told reporters. "It's not over yet."She said she still hoped to get her husband's
body back so that the family can give him a proper burial and say goodbye.

Malaysia Airlines described confirmation of the flaperon as "a major breakthrough".

In a statement, it said it hoped further evidence would be found in the coming days
that would "help resolve this mystery".


Simulation of where debris in search area could end up
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/3D1F/production/_84574651_mh370_debris_simulation_624map.png

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33794012

[Hervé]

Cider, I am scratching my head as to the reason why you repeat the same non-sense as I addressed it in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84177-Field-McConnell-That-Washed-Up-Part-Isn-t-from-MH370.-it-Was-Put-There.&p=986024&viewfull=1#post986024) <--?


The BBC non-sense:


'Very strong indications'

French prosecutor Serge Mackowiak later confirmed the wing fragment, known as a flaperon, was from a Boeing 777 - the same make and model as the missing Malaysian airliner.He said initial tests showed there were "very strong indications" that it was from flight MH370. But he said confirmation would only come after further tests on the fragment, which would begin on Thursday.

The Paris prosecutor failed to be as categorical as the Malaysian prime minister in
asserting that the wing piece does come from MH370.


... so, the politician has precedence over the expert!

[Hervé]

Most Maldives Debris Not Part of MH370 Missing Flight (http://sputniknews.com/world/20150814/1025743953.html)

World (http://sputniknews.com/world/)13:51 14.08.2015
(updated 13:52 14.08.2015)



The majority of debris found on the shores of the Maldives does not belong to the disappeared Malaysia Airlines MH370 plane, Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai said Friday.


MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Earlier this month, media reported that large debris washed up on the Maldivian shores had been sent to Malaysia for analysis.

"My team has witnessed the debris and most of them are negative. They are not related to MH370 and not even plane material," the minister said as quoted by the Asia One portal.


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© AP Photo/ Rob Griffith


Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, disappeared from radar screens on March 8, 2014, less than an hour after takeoff. There were 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board. Based on analysis of aircraft performance data, experts suspected the plane had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.

In early August, a movable part of a plane’s wing was found on the French island of La Reunion in the Indian Ocean. The fragment was sent to Toulouse, France, to be investigated further by French and Malaysian experts.

[Hervé]

Windows, Seats of Alleged MH370 Flight Found on Reunion Island (http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150806/1025468594.html)

Asia & Pacific (http://sputniknews.com/asia/)17:40 06.08.2015
(updated 18:00 06.08.2015) G
A Malaysian search team recovered window panes and seat cushions on Reunion Island where earlier wreckage from the ill-fated MH370 flight was found, Malaysia’s transport minister said.

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© East News/ Zhao Yingquan


"We have also found debris like window panes, aluminum foil and seat cushions," Liow Tiong Lai was quoted as saying by AFP. Later, the minister specified he was referring to aircraft seats and windows but could not confirm the items found on Reunion Island were debris from the missing Malaysia Airlines’ Boeing.

"They are little parts, but the debris cannot be verified if it belongs to MH370," he said.

He added that the newly discovered debris was sent to be verified by French authorities.

Earlier, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced that the debris found last week on Reunion Island belong to the missing plane. French prosecutors said they could not confirm the allegations.


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© AFP 2015/ YANNICK PITOU


The piece of debris – a flaperon wing flag – was found on July 29 on a beach on the French island La Reunion, near Madagascar. Discovery of the flaperon led to a wider search for more possible MH370 wreckage.

[Carmody]

The Paris prosecutor failed to be as categorical as the Malaysian prime minister in
asserting that the wing piece does come from MH370. All he said was that there are
very strong reasons to presume that it is from the missing plane. That does not
mean that the prosecutor has any reason to doubt the prime minister's conclusion -
simply that he is exercising supreme legal caution. In the coming days there will be
more tests on the flaperon and it's expected that these will prove the piece's origin.
After that, it will probably be many months before deeper analysis allows any
tentative deductions about how the plane may have come down.


M-FXkj-r9Mc


The Gulf War, smart bomb falling down a chimney. 2500 missions a day, 100 days. ONE video of ONE bomb Mr. Motts, the American people bought that war.


One flaperon, from a 'plane'. A flaperon with serial numbers, serial numbers and markings that are changed according to the given association with the given plane.

"One flaperon in the water and the people buy...."

So yes, exercise caution. No matter the outcome, it still remains as a serious issue: who exactly was on the plane and what was the 'value' of their demise?

[Harley]

What ParakeetMGP said:


I always thought the downing of MH17 was odd? Can't the pieces from it be planted on this location to distract? So? To me it isn't the only 777 as being said! There is another "One"

What I said:




The "Authorities" are saying that there is only one triple-7 missing in the world.

Some people are theorizing that these found parts are from the shot-down MH-17.

Folks, Boeing makes spares of every single part for all of their aircraft.

Each spare is marked with an identifying Part # and Serial #.

Obviously, as they are Spares, there are no markings or stamps to indicate what Air Frame they belong to.

Once a part has been Removed and Replaced, the new part will be stamped to indicate the Air Frame it now belongs to.

The old part will be discarded.

Really makes things rather easy, don't you think?

What Carmody said:


One flaperon, from a 'plane'. A flaperon with serial numbers, serial numbers and markings that are changed according to the given association with the given plane.

"One flaperon in the water and the people buy...."

So yes, exercise caution. No matter the outcome, it still remains as a serious issue: who exactly was on the plane and what was the 'value' of their demise?

The average (gullible) person will probably not realize these facts. And since they are so anxiously awaiting closure it won't be difficult to get them to buy into into it.

But the problem now is time. The longer the authorities wait to present their discovered/recovered evidence to the public, the more difficult it will become to sell their story.

Personally, I think too much time has already passed and at this point they'd be much better off now if they simply classified the whole thing as an Unsolved Mystery.

[ParakeetMGP]

I've always wanted a "Scientific Objective" view of things in this life. My "Life" experiences are always limited to this "World's Subjective-ness" to things. 90% of what I had "Optimism" (In the last 50 + plus years of experience in my life) ... (I was wrong with it) ... (I tried to change my ways at looking at things. They have come down from all the "Optimism" to "Pessimism" ). Now these views get trying to make me see this "Life" more as to how "Dishonest" the world is and ... I'm nearly 90% wrong again. So? the News Media these days are always right? How can just 1 peace of this plane be found and now we are again stalled with information. I've learned when things are always stalled with information, something isn't being "Honest" with the "Facts" Has been through my experiences all my life. This world isn't trying to learn to be better about "Facts" But keeps trying to "Suppress" them for dumbing the rest of this world, so Elites only have them. I'm not into "Politics" I am wanting to see "Honest" "Facts" come to the rest of "Us" when we try to rely on our technology and innovations with this world. When trying to get around with such.

[Hervé]

About That Airplane Part That Was Supposed to Solve the MH370 Mystery ... (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/strange-saga-of-the-mh370-plane-part.html?wpsrc=nymag)

By Jeff Wise (http://nymag.com/author/Jeff%20Wise/)



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Does this part really belong to the missing Malaysian Airlines jet? Photo: Yannick Pitou/AFP/Getty Images


Tomorrow marks one month since a piece of a Boeing 777 washed up on the Indian Ocean island of La Réunion, but French investigators are no closer to confirming that the part came from missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. In fact, leaks from within the investigation suggest that the part might not have come from the plane at all.

Such a conclusion, if confirmed, would constitute a shocking reversal. At the time of the discovery, it was generally accepted that the wing segment, a so-called “flaperon,” could only come from MH370: Boeing engineers confirmed that the part was from a 777, and MH370 was the only 777 to have gone missing. Aviation experts declared that serial numbers on the flaperon would allow it to be definitively linked to the missing plane within 24 hours. When that deadline passed, news outlets told readers that the ID should be nailed down within a few days. Then by the following week.

What was holding things up, it turned out, was that the ID plate that should have been attached to the inboard edge of the flaperon was missing. And that was not the only problem. According (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/06/world/asia/mh370-wing-reunion.html) to the New York Times, Boeing and the National Transportation Safety Board found that the object did not match Malaysia Airlines’ maintenance records.

The waters were muddied on August 6, when Malaysia's prime minister, Najib Razak, announced that experts examining the flaperon in France had “conclusively confirmed” (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33794012) that it was from the plane. Minutes later, the French prosecutor in charge of the case, Serge Mackowiak, contradicted Najib and stated that confirmation would require further tests. Around the world, however, many prominent news outlets, including CNN and the BBC, went with Najib’s more confident-sounding claim.

The story briefly faded from the public eye. Then, on August 21, the French news outlet La Dépêche ran a report (http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2015/08/21/2162976-mh-370-a-balma-l-enquete-technique-est-bouclee.html) citing sources within the investigation who indicated that the technical examination of the flaperon had ended without the hoped-for evidence being found. A few days later, Le Monde ran a report (http://mobile.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/08/26/vol-mh370-la-difficile-identification-du-morceau-d-avion-trouve-a-la-reunion_4737352_3224.html) that echoed the Times’ earlier reporting: “[M]aintenance work that Malaysia Airlines has indicated it carried out on the flaperon does not exactly match that observed on the discovered piece.”

It’s not clear exactly how one should interpret such language. Airplane parts are engineered precisely, and any changes made to them must be meticulously logged by maintenance personnel. If a part has four holes instead of five, it doesn’t just “not match exactly” — it doesn’t match.

But if the part didn’t come from MH370, where could it have come from? In recent weeks the internet has been abuzz with speculation that the part might have been a replacement part not yet put into service (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/08/16/mh370-suspense-as-france-stays-silent-and-malaysia-says-strange-things/) or a spare part pulled off a scrapped airframe.

How the part found its way to a beach on La Réunion is another issue. The Dépêche article contained a tantalizing hint. “According to a Toulouse aeronautics expert who requested anonymity,” the article stated, “the element of the wing would not have floated for several months at the water’s surface but would have drifted underwater a few meters deep.”

It’s not yet known why investigators reached this conclusion, but one clue might be that the flaperon found on La Réunion was encrusted on every edge with goose barnacles. These animals are a type of crustacean that attaches while young to a floating object and spends its entire adult life affixed to the same spot. Since they obviously can only survive underwater, their distribution around the object suggests that the entirety of it must have spent at least several months submerged. (http://jeffwise.net/2015/08/26/how-did-the-reunion-flaperon-float/)

Therein lies the mystery. While it’s easy to imagine a submarine or a scuba diver hovering peacefully 10 or 20 feet under the surface of the water, this is not something that inanimate objects are capable of doing on their own: Either they are more buoyant than water, in which case they float, or they are less buoyant, in which case they sink. “My experience is that things will go up or down — they will never stay statically neutral,” says famed ocean-drift expert Curtis Ebbesmeyer, professor emeritus of oceanography at the University of Washington.

So, how could a six-foot-long chunk of airplane remain suspended beneath the ocean surface for a long period of time? At this point, there aren’t any simple, common-sense answers; the range of possible explanations at this point runs from as-yet-unidentified natural processes to purposeful intervention by conspirators. The implausibility of it all is quite maddening — but, then again, when it comes to MH370, maddening and implausible are par for the course.


Related Stories

MH370: What the Wing Flap Tells Us and What It Doesn’t (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/mh370-debris-or-no-this-case-is-still-weird.html)
How Crazy Am I to Think I Know Where MH370 Is? (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/jeff-wise-mh370-theory.html)

[Harley]

French investigators

Who are they? Boeing France?

Why not Boeing Australia? Since Australia was basically put in charge of the search in the Indian Ocean in the first place.

Or better yet, Why not The Boeing Company, Seattle, WA? Since the 777 was designed and tested and is manufactured in Everett, WA, who can answer literally all of these questions literally faster and better than anyone else in the world?

So why do they keep throwing in various foreign governments and agencies as "Authorities" and "Experts"?
I'll tell you why.

It's ALL a huge Goat Rope (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/goat_rope) in which you all have been made a participant.

[Bill Ryan]

It's ALL a huge Goat Rope (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/goat_rope)

Thank you! I had to go look that up. :bigsmile:

:focus:

[Hervé]

French investigatorsWho are they? Boeing France?

Why not Boeing Australia? Since Australia was basically put in charge of the search in the Indian Ocean in the first place.

[...]

... because that particular piece of plane landed/coasted on a French island where none of the others have any authority... and France is not particularly fond of Boeing with their Airbus war...

[Robin]

Malaysia Airlines says a flight carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing has gone missing and that the airline is notifying next of kin.

Malaysia's flag carrier said flight MH370 disappeared at 2:40am local time on Saturday (1840 GMT Friday), about two hours after leaving Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

It had been due to arrive in Beijing at 6:30am local time on Saturday (2230 GMT Friday).

The plane was a Boeing 777-200. The airline's Kuala Lumpur-Beijing route passes roughly over the Indochinese peninsula.

The flight was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, from 13 different nationalities, and 12 crew members.

China's state television said 158 of the passengers were Chinese.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-contact-lost-with-plane-2014380297203817.html

I'm surprised that nobody has picked up on this yet. Just like with 9/11, the destruction of the Boeing 777 was also an occult ritual. In order to understand, one must understand occult numerology and gematria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria).

The number of passengers on the flight was 227.

2+2+7=11

11 is one of the most sacred numbers, and can be interpreted both positively and negatively. The number 11 positively represents the left-brain and right-brain, or the sacred masculine and sacred feminine. Negatively, it can be interpreted as not being complete, or falling short of perfection, as in 111.

If you count the flight attendants in the number of passengers, you get the number 239.

2+3+9=14

4+1=5

The number 5 represents the sacred pentagram containing the elements fire, water, earth, air, and spirit. Conversely, if you divide the number 14 in half, you get the number 77, which is an occult number meaning imperfection.

The type of plane was a Boeing 777.

The number 777 symbolizes Love and Godliness, and is a step up of the number 666, which symbolizes the ego.

The flight number was MH370.

M=13th letter in the alphabet
H=8th letter of the alphabet

The number 370 reduces to 10 (3+7+0). So we have...

13+8+10

Which reduces to...

4+8+1=13

The number 13 is one of the most significant numbers in Occultism, which means power, upheaval, and destruction.

It is difficult to understand the significance of numbers and how they play into occult rituals, but Occultists take them very seriously. When you put all of these numbers together, one with the right knowledge can easily understand what they were trying to do with the human subconscious.

It goes something like this from an Occultist's point of view:

The passengers (11, 14, 77) on the plane were of the general population who are striving to achieve spiritual completion, but are not quite there yet. The vessel that they were flying in (777) symbolized the spiritual journey towards spiritual completion. The flight number (13) represents the pathway that is being placed before the people on their journey of spiritual evolution, which is doomed with upheaval and destruction. The crashing of the plane and the deaths mean the destruction of morality and Natural Law, and hopelessness for humanity.

For those who are confused, just check out this video which may help with visualization. The occult ritual of 9/11 is pretty much the same thing neurologically.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSJLA0aOY1Y

[Harley]

It's ALL a huge Goat Rope (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/goat_rope)

Thank you! I had to go look that up. :bigsmile:

:focus:

Slang can have many different meanings to many different cultures, and there can be many different cultures represented on an internet forum.

One of the many reasons why it's always a good idea to provide links! Eh Bill? :)





French investigatorsWho are they? Boeing France?

Why not Boeing Australia? Since Australia was basically put in charge of the search in the Indian Ocean in the first place.

[...]

... because that particular piece of plane landed/coasted on a French island where none of the others have any authority... and France is not particularly fond of Boeing with their Airbus war...

Understand that Hervé.

So this may make France the "Authority", but it most certainly does not make them the "Expert"! :)

[Sirus]

The passengers from MH370 are in another dimension. They will be coming back to this one with quite a story to tell.

[Bookmark or save this because it will come to pass.]

[Hervé]

[...]
[...]
... because that particular piece of plane landed/coasted on a French island where none of the others have any authority... and France is not particularly fond of Boeing with their Airbus war...

Understand that Hervé.

So this may make France the "Authority", but it most certainly does not make them the "Expert"! :)

Yeah... why bother read threads and relevant posts... which leads to that other question: why bother posting in the first place when intelligent dot connectors don't even bother with said dots.


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[...]

Experts are due to examine part of a wing that washed up on the island of Reunion last week and is thought to have belonged to missing flight MH370. The Boeing 777 piece has been taken to Toulouse in south-west France. An Australian transport expert is helping out in the examination at the invitation of the French authorities.

Malaysian experts are also attending.They may pronounce on the origin of the wing part either on Wednesday or later this week, officials say.[...]


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The examination in Toulouse may shed light on the plane's last moments


The examination of the wing part will start early on Wednesday afternoon, AFP news agency reported. Attending will be French and Malaysian experts, Boeing employees and representatives from China - the country that lost most passengers in the disaster. Jean-Paul Troadec, the former head of the French BEA agency that investigates air accidents, was quoted by AFP as saying that the examination would concentrate on two issues - whether the wing part belongs to MH370 and if so, whether it can provide any information on the final moments of the plane. Mr Troadec said paint on the wing part - which has already been confirmed as coming from a Boeing 777 plane - was a vital part of the investigation.

[...]

I hope, Harley, that the above satisfies the "Boeing expert" in you?


Now, for the major point of contention: What makes the Malaysian prime minister an expert of experts?


Cider, I am scratching my head as to the reason why you repeat the same non-sense as I addressed it in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84177-Field-McConnell-That-Washed-Up-Part-Isn-t-from-MH370.-it-Was-Put-There.&p=986024&viewfull=1#post986024) <--?

The BBC non-sense:


'Very strong indications'

French prosecutor Serge Mackowiak later confirmed the wing fragment, known as a flaperon, was from a Boeing 777 - the same make and model as the missing Malaysian airliner.He said initial tests showed there were "very strong indications" that it was from flight MH370. But he said confirmation would only come after further tests on the fragment, which would begin on Thursday.
The Paris prosecutor failed to be as categorical as the Malaysian prime minister in
asserting that the wing piece does come from MH370. ... so, the politician has precedence over the expert!

Here is another summary:

The Case of the MH370 Wing Segment Keeps Getting Weirder (http://gizmodo.com/the-case-of-the-mh370-wing-segment-keeps-getting-weirde-1727429146)

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lkkkqnon--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_80,q_80,w_80/zdmmuilu8px0saeygc5k.jpg (http://kinja.com/maddiestone) Maddie Stone (http://kinja.com/maddiestone) Filed to: MH370 (http://gizmodo.com/tag/mh370) 8/29/15 2:00pm (http://gizmodo.com/the-case-of-the-mh370-wing-segment-keeps-getting-weirde-1727429146)

When a wing section of a Boeing 777 washed up on the Indian Ocean island of La Réunion last month, the Malaysian government quickly ascribed the part to missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. But an ongoing investigation has failed to verify this claim, and the story just keeps getting weirder.

Shortly after the flaperon washed up, Boeing engineers confirmed that the wing segment belongs to a 777. And MH370, which went missing in March of 2014, is the only 777 unaccounted for. So case closed, right?

Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak figured it was, and on August 5th, he released a statement announcing as much to the world. (http://gizmodo.com/investigators-plane-debris-is-conclusively-from-mh37-1722285750#_ga=1.223920027.1031241721.1425068057) But minutes later, French investigator Serge Mackowiak countered the prime minister’s remarks, saying that more tests were needed to conclusively determine the wing segment’s origin. Those test results were supposed to come within a day. Then it became a few days. Now it’s been several weeks.

What’s the hangup? According to New York Magazine (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/strange-saga-of-the-mh370-plane-part.html?wpsrc=nymag), the ID plate that should have been attached to the inboard edge of the flaperon is missing. This plate, affixed to all 777 flaperons, ought to contain a serial number linking the part to MH370. Its absence has not only stymied the verification process, it’s resulted in other aspects of the wing segment coming under (perhaps excessive) scrutiny.

For instance, the flaperon was covered in barnacles. Barnacles everywhere! And people are freaking out about it (http://jeffwise.net/2015/08/26/how-did-the-reunion-flaperon-float/). Barnacles all over seems to suggest the wing segment spent the last several months suspended beneath the ocean surface. But how?

While it’s easy to imagine a submarine or a scuba diver hovering peacefully 10 or 20 feet under the surface of the water, this is not something that inanimate objects are capable of doing on their own: Either they are more buoyant than water, in which case they float, or they are less buoyant, in which case they sink.

So, how could a six-foot-long chunk of airplane remain suspended beneath the ocean surface for a long period of time? At this point, there aren’t any simple, common-sense answers; the range of possible explanations at this point runs from as-yet-unidentified natural processes to purposeful intervention by conspirators.
There’s certainly a logical explanation for all of this, and we’ll find it eventually — perhaps we’ll even learn a thing or two about barnacle ecology in the process! In the meanwhile, the sleuths of the internet are sure to come up with all sorts of outlandish origin stories for the untagged flaperon. And the fate of flight MH370 remains as mysterious as ever.

--------------------------------------------


... has failed to verify... Still that interesting choice of words... in lieu of "No evidence substantiates such unfounded claim."

-

As for this question:


So, how could a six-foot-long chunk of airplane remain suspended beneath the ocean surface for a long period of time?... well, about barnacles:


Some species of goose barnacles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose_barnacle) such as Lepas anatifera (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepas_anatifera) are pelagic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagic) and are most frequently found on tidewrack (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tidewrack) on oceanic coasts. Unlike most other types of barnacles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnacles), intertidal goose barnacles (e.g. Pollicipes pollicipes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollicipes_pollicipes) and Pollicipes polymerus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollicipes_polymerus)) depend on water motion rather than the movement of their cirri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirrus_%28biology%29) for feeding, and are therefore found only on exposed or moderately exposed coasts.... meaning that continuous immersion is not needed for said barnacles to grow happily...

Accordingly, that piece of plane could have been floating around for a long while or just detached from its piece of wing only very recently, in which case the plane remainders would be in shallow or intertidal waters.

[Harley]

Yeah... why bother read threads and relevant posts... which leads to that other question: why bother posting in the first place when intelligent dot connectors don't even bother with said dots.

I have read every single post in this thread since day 1.

Might it be possible that I could have just a little bit more than a simple Observational Interest in this subject?

So when an "intelligent" dot connector rejects those certain dots which have been provided, he/she should not bother posting?

And I was going to try to explain better what I was trying to say about the so-called authorities and experts, but that's OK. I'm done.

[Harley]

Let me clarify the following post and then you all can continue connecting your dots. :)



I always thought the downing of MH17 was odd? Can't the pieces from it be planted on this location to distract? So? To me it isn't the only 777 as being said! There is another "One"

The "Authorities" are saying that there is only one triple-7 missing in the world.

Some people are theorizing that these found parts are from the shot-down MH-17.

Folks, Boeing makes spares of every single part for all of their aircraft.

Each spare is marked with an identifying Part # and Serial #.

Obviously, as they are Spares, there are no markings or stamps to indicate what Air Frame they belong to.

Once a part has been Removed and Replaced, the new part will be stamped to indicate the Air Frame it now belongs to.

The old part will be discarded.

Really makes things rather easy, don't you think?


Two points I was trying to make here:

1. ALL parts are specifically married (identification) to the airframe, both on the part and in the records, at the time of Installation or Removal and Replacement. And this is ALWAYS monitored by Quality Control/Assurance (Trust me!).

and

2. ANY spare part could be stamped (tampered with), thrown in the water for a period of time, and then "recovered".

But yet in either of the cases above they still cannot identify the parts? Big Red Flag!

Hope that helps.

[Cidersomerset]

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MH370: Reunion wing debris 'certainly' from missing flight

1 hour ago... From the section Asia

French gendarmes and police carry a large piece of plane debrisImage copyright Reuters
Image caption French authorities had removed the debris from the island for testing after
its discovery in July

French prosecutors have said they believe "with certainty" that a wing part found on Reunion
Island in July came from missing flight MH370.The wing section, known as a flaperon, had
been examined in France by international aviation experts.French authorities launched
searches on and around Reunion for more debris but none was found.The Malaysia Airlines
plane carrying 239 people veered off its course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in March 2014.

The Malaysian government had previously said it believed that the flaperon belonged to MH370.



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French investigators had until now been more cautious on the provenance of the debris.

But on Thursday they said a technician from Airbus Defense and Space (ADS-SAU) in Spain,
which had made the part for Boeing, had formally identified one of three numbers found on
the flaperon as being the same as the serial number on MH370.

The magistrate charged with conducting the investigation and an aviation expert had gone to
ADS-SAU headquarters on Thursday.

The families of those aboard - who were mostly Chinese - have been angered by the apparent
discrepancies in statements by French and Malaysian officials, and have accused the authorities
of hiding the truth.The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) has been co-ordinating the
deep-sea search in the southern Indian Ocean, where the plane is believed to have gone down,
thousands of miles east of Reunion.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has said that the search would continue as "we owe it to the hundreds
of millions of people who use our skies".

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/D466/production/_85347345_mh370_flaperon_624in.jpg


Missing Malaysia plane: What we know

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34145127

[avid]

We've taken our eyes off that ball, so will surely accept mainstream media stating what is not obvious, but to appease folks and bury a contentious multiple-death scenario, this piece of trash is presented to trash any further questions. Sorry, but it just doesn't end in the mainstream. Still too many anomalies to be resolved.

[Cidersomerset]

THE TELEGRAPH.............

MH370 investigators 'looking in wrong place'

German oceanographers publish new research claiming MH370 may have
crashed 2,000 miles north of search area

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03427/MH370_03_3427068b.jpg
Two oceanographers from Kiel stand in front of a screen which shows
the possible site of the crash of the Air Malaysia airplane MH370, during
a press conference in Kiel, Germany Photo: EPA

By Justin Huggler in Berlin
8:43PM BST 02 Sep 2015

Investigators hunting for the missing flight MH370 may be looking in the
wrong place, according to new research by German scientists. The aircraft
may have crashed more than 2,000 miles north of the current search area,
somewhere off the south coast of Java, oceanographers said. The claim is
based on detailed computer modelling of ocean currents that could have
carried a flaperon believed to come from the missing plane to the French
island of Reunion. The wing part, found on the island in July, is the only
trace of the aircraft seen so far.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03427/MH370_02_3427065b.jpg

A map which shows the possible site of the crash of the Air Malaysia airplane
MH370 during a press conference in Kiel, Germany Photo: EPA

There has been no shortage of theories as to the fate of MH370, which disappeared
from radar screens in March last year while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

But the latest claim is based on solid scientific research.

A team at the Helmholtz Centre for Ocean Research in Kiel ran extensive computer
modelling of ocean currents to trace how the flaperon could have ended up on Reunion.

“Our results show that the current focus of the search south-west of Australia may
be too far south,” said Jonathan Durgadoo, one of the researchers.

The study found a number of possible locations for where the aircraft may have
crashed. But only one corresponded to the arc of possible last positions from analysis
of the plane’s satellite pings: an area of some 200 square miles off the south coast of Java.


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03427/MH370_04_3427069b.jpg
Oceanographers stand in front of a screen which shows the possible site of the crash
of the Air Malaysia airplane MH370, during a press conference in Kiel, Germany Photo: EPA

Prof Arne Biastock, another of the researchers, urged caution.

“Finding more pieces of MH370 debris would be necessary in order to make more precise
statements,” he said. The findings follow claims that barnacles found on the flaperon might
indicate a more northerly crash site.

But the Helmholtz Centre said its team had not been able to analyse the barnacles.

“We were asked to look into the barnacles, but we haven’t been able to examine them,
we only have photographs, so we can’t say anything about them,” Jan Steffen, a
spokesman for the centre said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34145127

[Hervé]

French probe confirms debris found on Reunion Island definitely from MH370 (http://www.rt.com/news/314302-french-probe-confirms-mh370/)

Published time: 3 Sep, 2015 19:34


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Police carry a piece of debris from an unidentified aircraft found in the coastal area of Saint-Andre de la Reunion, in the east of the French Indian Ocean island of La Reunion, on July 29, 2015 © Yannick Pitou / AFP


A French prosecutor has announced that the wing part found on France’s Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean has been formally identified as part of missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

According to the investigators, they managed to identify one of three numbers found on the flaperon as being the serial number of the MH370 flight after they interviewed a technician from Airbus Defense and Space (ADS-SAU) in Spain, which had made the part for the Boeing 777.

"It is therefore possible to confirm with certainty that the flaperon found on Reunion island on July 29, 2015 corresponds to the one from flight MH370," the Paris prosecutor said in a statement on Thursday.

Though the reasons for the catastrophe are still unknown, the attribution of the debris has made a large contribution to the investigation of the incident.

Former US National Transportation Safety Board investigators Greg Feith told (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-06/intact-mh370-part-lifts-odds-plane-glided-not-crashed-into-sea)Bloomberg last month that as the piece has maintained its integrity one “can deduce it was either a low-energy crash or a low-energy intentional ditching.”
[...]

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
Seems like the wreckage of flight MH 370 hasn't been seen by local fisherman etc. You would think if there was wreckage floating in the ocean it would be seen by the people in that area. Alas no wreckage seen!!
chancy

Link:
http://s4.ibtimes.com/flight-mh370-search-philippine-officials-say-locals-unaware-reported-wreckage-linked-2136684?ref=yfp


Article:
Flight MH370 Search - Philippine Officials Say Locals Unaware Of Reported Wreckage Linked To Crash
By Coco Alcuaz on October 12 2015 3:37 AM EDT

A man walking by a mural representing the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 in the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur on Aug. 26, 2015. Philippine officials say they can't find any information on a reported sighting of the jet's wreckage. Getty

Philippine officials said they have investigated but found no sign of reported wreckage and remains that some have linked to Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, which disappeared in March last year. Officials said fishermen and other residents of the southern islands where debris was reportedly spotted had no knowledge of it either.

"The Navy has circled the island and asked the fishermen there but they said they haven't seen anything," Elizalde Quiboyen, police chief of Tawi-Tawi province, told International Business Times in a phone interview. Tawi-Tawi includes the Sugbay and Ubian islands, where wreckage and human remains were reportedly found.

"The search is continuous. The people have been called. The village chiefs have been called," Quiboyen said, adding that his troops also went island to island on pump boats. "The local fishermen should know, but they can't tell us anything."

Malaysian authorities over the weekend said they had received reports of the find and were investigating it. The wreckage reportedly had Malaysian Airlines' colors.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 disappeared March 8, 2014 while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, with 227 passengers and 12 crew. The search has been mainly focused in the southern Indian Ocean, because data indicated the plane veered far off its northeastern flight path. The Philippines is far to the east of Malaysia, and thousands of miles north of the current search area.

A Philippine Coast Guard official said he has received many calls asking about the reported sighting but has received no official information. A navy spokesman could not be immediately reached on his mobile phone.

In July 2014, another Malaysian Airlines jet, Flight MH17, was shot down over Ukraine, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew. The two incidents have hurt the airline's business, pushing it into a rebranding scheduled for next month.

[Hervé]

Hi Chancy,

I just merged your thread with this pre-existing one.

Cheers!

[Rocky_Shorz]

flight MH370 was seen landing north of Diego GarCIA on one of the Maldive Islands...

here it is again...


Remote pilots flying the plane as a drone, engine or onboard fire, wounded plane searching for the closest private airport...

They had one small landing strip... the natives heard the low flying plane...


http://laamudiveandsurf.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/airport.jpg

that landing strip is the Island below the green dot where an airplane engine fire extinguisher tank washed up to shore... how wounded was this plane?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/mh370/maldives-fire-bottle.jpg

the bottom black line on the flight path is the island

http://www.maldivesfinest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-mh370-maldives.png


to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, an official story was noticed...



The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
March 29, 2014
tags: flight 173 mH 370 maldives 615 am 8 mar 2014 INMARSAT satellite data jacksons intl airport flight 55093 N13979 Google Maps, flight MH370 pings maldives indian ocean hong kong gulf of guinea march 2014 flight 173, maldives mar 8 2014 flight 173 and flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport no Radar - pings INMARSAT SATELLITE with ACAS, N13979 Google Maps (1), no Radar flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport eyewitness 8 mar 2014 615 am lands 620 am defense military technology Google Maps (2), The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar - National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport

link (http://victoriastaffordapsychicinvestigation.wordpress.co m/2014/03/29/the-maldives-where-flight-mh370-was-seen-8-mar-2014-615-am-not-picked-up-by-radar-national-defense-force-or-kadhdhoo-airport/)

and yes you read that right...

seen 6:15

Lands 6:20...



I wonder if the VP of Maldives that was just impeached was involved in this plane's disappearance...

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03492/Maldives-Vice-Pres_3492726b.jpg

"The assembly rushed through the impeachment of Mr Adeeb, 33, shortly after the Yameen-controlled parliament rubber-stamped the imposition yesterday of a state of emergency on the nation of 340,000.

It was not immediately clear if Mr Adeeb had an opportunity to defend himself against the impeachment, as he remains detained on a prison island some distance from the capital.

Addressing the nation soon after Mr Adeeb's arrest, Mr Yameen justified the move saying it was carried out "for the safety and security of the nation".

The state of emergency also cleared the way for fast-tracking Mr Adeeb's impeachment, the second in just under four months.

The president sacked his previous deputy, Mohamed Jameel, on July 22 after accusing him of treason while he was still abroad. " link (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/maldives/11977112/Maldives-impeaches-vice-president-under-emergency-law.html)

I wonder if this remote island prison is the same one passengers of MH370 were held at...

[Rocky_Shorz]

"NEW DELHI: Maldivian President Ahmed Adeeb, arrested on charges of plotting to assassinate President Abdullah Yameen, has a history of criminal activities including running drug cartels and criminal gangs as well as encouraging Islamic radicals threatening stability in the region.

Once all powerful and closest aide of the President, Adeeb on Sunday was blamed by none other than Yameen of exerting undue influence over the police to obstruct the investigation into the assassination attempt on September 28. The vice president was also working with MPs of the main opposition Maldivian Democratic Party (MDP) as well as ruling party MPs to impeach the president, alleged Yameen.

An ambitious politician Adeeb in the past was accused of links with infamous Sri Lankan MP Duminda Silva. Duminda Silva was allegedly active in international drug racket. Official sources here as well as in Colombo told ET that Lankan 'Heroin King' Weli Suda, who was arrested in Pakistan earlier this year and deported to Sri Lanka after the Sirisena government came to power was a close associate of Duminda Silva.

Officials here have been worried over the battle of business interests, religious fundamentalists and drug lords in Male and other islands of Maldives. "Radical preachers and vested interests together with the all-pervasive presence of criminal gangs and drug mafia make for a potent mix opening the doors even wider for Islamic fundamentalist youth to have unfettered access not only to the Maldivian Atolls but to the sub-continent as a whole and beyond," pointed out an official well-versed with the developments in Maldives.

While Yameen on Sunday took his former aide to task for his plan to usurp power, the President at one point of time was highly dependent on Adeeb. As Tourism Minister in the past Adeeb virtually ran the government as Yameen hardly held Cabinet meetings.

Members of ex-President Mohd Nasheed's Maldivian Democratic Party (MDP) told ET from Male that Adeeb has risen "in an inexplicably short period of time to become one of the country's richest politicians". MDP sources accused that Adeeb has been nicknamed as 'ATM Machine' and is flush with funds from kickbacks from the tourism industry in Maldives.

Earlier this year a massive corruption scandal involving $ six million rocked the Yameen government following implication of Adeeb in the in the special audit report of the Maldives Marketing and Public Relations Company (MMPRC). This, according to MDP sources, had then prompted Yameen to remove the Auditor General, who exposed the corruption.

The MDP had also alleged that Adeeb was notorious for peddling drugs while studying in a Colombo school. There are reports that infamous Arthur Brothers-the Armenian drug lords who widely operate the drug mafia in Sri Lanka and Maldives, have been using Adeeb to spread their tentacles among the Maldivian youth. link (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/49531418.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst)

[mojo]

French probe confirms debris found on Reunion Island definitely from MH370

Is this statement true ? I know they found a part but curious if it was definitely linked to the doomed flight.

[Hervé]

Potential MH370 Debris Discovery Suggests Plane Fell Into Indian Ocean (http://sputniknews.com/art_living/20160303/1035691197/mh370-debris-discovery.html)

Life (http://sputniknews.com/art_living/) 02:03 03.03.2016
(updated 02:13 03.03.2016)


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© East News/ Polaris



The mystery around the disappearance of the passenger jet with 239 aboard may be nearing a resolution.




https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/450818997353578496/Pwxkb5rA_bigger.jpeg Jim Sciutto Verified account ‏@jimsciutto (https://twitter.com/jimsciutto)

#CNN (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CNN?src=hash) obtains first images of possible #MH370 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MH370?src=hash) debris found in Mozambique


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​On March 8, 2014, passenger jet Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 disappeared with 239 people aboard. At the time, the world watched as the best rescue efforts could not find a trace of the aircraft. The mystery remains, and the story only deepens as new evidence has come to light.

On Wednesday, debris discovered off the channel between Mozambique and Madagascar suggests that the plane crashed into the Indian Ocean.

The debris, believed to be a horizontal stabilizer from the jet, will be sent to Malaysia for official examination. If confirmed, this would be the second piece of MH370 debris discovered by [? states?] Australian Transport Safety Bureau divers who continue the search at the request of their Malaysian counterparts.

The first confirmed piece was attributed to the ill-fated flight in September 2015, after an investigation by France’s aeronautical research lab. That piece was discovered over 2,000 miles away from the theorized crash site, on Reunion Island, a French protectorate off Africa’s east coast. The Reunion Island debris was determined to be part of a wing known as a flaperon, which prevents a plane from deviating sideways.

Wednesday’s discovery provides hope that officials may subsequently be able to find the fuselage of the airplane. While the news was welcomed, Malaysia’s Minister of Transport, Liow Tong Lai, called for patience after the latest discovery. He cautions against speculation that Wednesday’s debris does, in fact, belong to MH370 which, at this time, has not been confirmed.

The MH370 tragedy sparked an international discussion on airline safety and tracking around the world. The flight, departing from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and on course to Beijing, disappeared suddenly from radar view with no prior distress signal. Investigators have struggled to determine precisely where the plane flew off course, with theories abounding as to whether the plane crashed at the point it disappeared from the radar or whether it continued to fly.

In response to the incident, the United Nations announced a plan to allow planes to send tracking data to satellites. The automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast (ADS-B) will create real-time tracking capabilities to provide pilots with a 3D view of their airspace, according to Air and Space Smithsonian Magazine.

The new technology has been used by American aviation carriers for years, and will ensure another layer of detection in the event of a radar malfunction, reducing the risk for plane disappearances.


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... not much barnacles on that one...

[Citizen No2]

JeeeezΩzzz......... Look how clean that bit of debris is.

I'm finding it hard to believe that that piece has been in the ocean for two years.

Where are all the barnacles?

To me, it looks as if it has been placed in the water that very day. That's just me though.

Regards.

[Hervé]

Suspected MH370 cabin fragment found on island in Mauritius (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/04/03/suspected-mh370-cabin-fragment-found-in-rodrigues-island/)

Sunday, 3 April 2016 | MYT 9:47 AM

http://www.thestar.com.my/%7E/media/online/2016/04/03/01/50/kabinmh370.ashx/?w=620&h=413&crop=1&hash=ACF0C16D9568DFE0058582C3EE8C242E58F7CB0B
The suspected fragment. - Pix taken from mStar


PETALING JAYA: An object believed to have come from inside the cabin of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has been found on an island in Mauritius, east of Africa, according to a report.

MH370 Independent Group (IG) expert Don Thompson told news.com.au. that he saw photographs of the part and said it appeared to match the bulkhead of a MAS Boeing 777 business class cabin.

He said it was not, however, limited to that section of a Boeing 777 and could also have come from economy class.

Another IG member Mike Exner agreed with the assessment.

It was reported that the group had passed the information to the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB).

If confirmed to be from MH370, the fragment would be the first possible internal part to have been found.

The wreckage was reportedly found by a couple holidaying on Rodrigues Island as they were walking along the beach on Thursday.

Rodrigues Island is a small volcanic island in the Indian Ocean, east of Mauritius.

An MH370 flaperon was found in Reunion Island in July last year.

It was reported that another piece of plane debris, suspected to be from the missing plane, had been found in Mozambique.

It is the third item found in the country since last month following the discovery of two plane debris - a piece of skin from a horizontal stabiliser and a white chunk of metal.

The two debris, which had been sent to Australia for analysis, were found to be “almost certainly from MH370”.

Another fragment picked up near Mossel Bay, a small town in Western Cape province in South Africa, would also be analysed to see if it came from MH370, South African officials said last month.

[Hervé]

The suspected pieces so far:


http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/0a2031924a2359a535d08094a28ea657

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ce_s3q9W8AElxVw.jpg
The suspected fragment of a bulkhead



Another fragment, dubbed the “Rolls Royce piece”, found in South Africa’s Western Cape province, is thought to have come from the inlet cowling of the aircraft’s engine.

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a6cbdad274ca9d9c2c883284fe7ecfd3
The “Rolls Royce” piece.Source:Twitter




http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/613721713c49ca5e633759ab0d6cacde
American adventurer and MH370 sleuth Blaine Gibson with his ‘NO STEP’ piece, which formed part of the horizontal stabiliser of a Boeing 777. Picture: Blaine A Gibson Source:Supplied


http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/ba8a1fb3ea265eddd58f4d8de8ad9b2a
South African teenager Liam Lotter’s piece, which he found while holidaying with family in Mozambique. Source:AFP


See: http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/suspected-fragment-of-mh370-business-class-cabin-found-on-rodrigues-island-east-of-africa/news-story/5ee5f650a44e5b19b7dfe6f92370fc61

[Hervé]

Malaysia Airlines flight 370: possible wreckage found on Tanzanian island (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/25/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-possible-wreckage-found-on-tanzanian-island)

Associated Press Saturday 25 June 2016 03.13 BST

Australia’s transport minister Darren Chester says a ‘piece of aircraft debris’ was found on Pemba Island


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By Laurent ERRERA from L'Union, France - Boeing 777-200ER Malaysia AL (MAS) 9M-MRO


Aircraft wreckage potentially from missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (https://www.theguardian.com/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370) has been found on an island off the east African coast, an Australian official said.

Transport minister Darren Chester, who oversees the search for the Boeing 777 that vanished in 2014 with 239 people on board, said a “piece of aircraft debris” was found on Pemba Island off the coast of Tanzania (https://www.theguardian.com/world/tanzania).
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/b1eda3b946e9c22610993cea236a9953894d1eee/0_36_3600_2162/3600.jpg?w=460&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau, which is conducting the search on Malaysia’s behalf, is seeking further information to determine whether the debris is from flight 370, Chester said in a statement.

[...]

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/25/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-possible-wreckage-found-on-tanzanian-island

[Hervé]

South African doctor avoided MH370 debris because it smelled so bad (http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/05/26/10/27/south-african-doctor-avoided-mh370-debris-because-it-smelled-so-bad)

By ninemsn 1:15pm May 26, 2016

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http://cdn1.theweek.co.uk/sites/theweek/files/2016/05/160519-mh370.png
The foul-smelling piece of debris found on a South African beach. (Schalk Lückhoff)


A piece of MH370 which washed up on a South African beach was left behind by the man who found it because it was so foul-smelling.

Dr Schalk Lückhoff found a fragment of an aircraft engine stencilled with the Rolls-Royce logo, covered with rotting mussels on December 23 last year.

"It was smelly because it was encrusted in rotting mussels so I didn't handle it, I just took a photograph," he told Netwerk24.

"It did not occur to me this could be a piece of a plane's insignia ... After the next high tide I didn't see it anymore and assumed it had been taken back into the sea."

The debris was spotted on the beach of Mossel Bay, a town on South Africa's southern coast halfway between Cape Town and Port Elizabeth.

It was found on the same beach by an archaeologist in March, but questions were raised about whether it was legitimately a piece of MH370 because it then did not have any marine life attached.

But the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), which has been handling the search for the missing airline, said the emergence of Dr Lückhoff's photo confirmed their suspicions.

A report released by the ATSB on Tuesday said the engine cowling segment was "almost certainly" from MH370.

The debris joins other pieces from MH370 discovered on Mozambique, Réunion and Mauritius.

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Image of Barnacle-Encrusted Debris Surfaces in South Africa — UPDATED (http://jeffwise.net/2016/05/17/image-of-barnacle-encrusted-debris-surfaces-in-south-africa/)

– May 17, 2016

Above is a picture that Neels Le Roux Kruger recently posted on the ‘MH370 In search of the truth’ website. He writes:
An interesting development with regards to “Klein Roy”.

‘This morning I was in contact with an individual from the town of George inland from Mosselbay in South Africa. The person, who is a frequent visitor to Klein Brak beach, was walking on the beach at Klein Brak on 23 December 2015 on an amateur ocean photo assignment. He captured images of the ocean and the beach – and he also took a photo of an object he though was part of a signboard. He said he did not think much of the object at the time and he didn’t examine it (or handle it) since it smelled of decomposing marine life. The fragment was covered in barnacles and mussels. He took a random photo and also notes that when he returned later the day the fragment was gone – probably washed back out to sea by the incoming tide. After reading about the investigation into the MH370 debris and the identification of “Roy” he made the connection to my photos of the piece and came into contact with the media.

Quite amazing – this is definitely the “Rolls Royce” fragment I picked up 3 months later in the same area!

This is exciting since it brings the time frame for the washing up of the RR fragment 3 months forward to at least December 2015. It is also an indication of the presence of substantial amounts of marine life on the fragment when it first washed up along the South African coast.
For reference, here’s an image of the piece as it was found by Kruger in March near Mossel Bay, South Africa:


http://ewn.co.za/-/media/E5C65D08171B4C5B9B78786B47A14B6B.ashx


Taken together, these photos make a compelling case for the idea — which I have strongly disputed here — that barnacle-encrusted pieces could be thoroughly cleaned by wave, sand, and sun after coming ashore.

The implication, then, is that the pieces were not “ineptly planted,” as I asserted, but that the lack of biofouling is due to the pieces spending time ashore before they were discovered.

UPDATE 5/18/16: Today an Afrikaans-language website published an article (http://www.netwerk24.com/Nuus/Algemeen/mh370-stuk-al-in-desember-gefotografeer-20160517) entitled “MH370 piece all photographed in December” by Eugene Gunning explaining how the photograph at top came to be taken. Below is the translation courtesy of Google Translate with a bit of cleanup on my part. Obviously parts are still pretty baffling, if anyone cares to help to polish up them up in the comments section that would be most welcome. Thanks to readers @SA Reader and @Afrikaans for alerting me to this story.
The debris of the missing flight MH370 Malaysia Airlines which was conducted in December on the beach of Little Brak River by a resident of Knysna.

Dr. Schalk Lückhoff, a retired physician from Knysna, may help to solve the mysterious disappearance of the missing flight MH370 Malaysia Airlines.

In December last year Lückhoff came accross a piece of debris on the beach of Klien-Brakrivier, which is presumaby from the missing aircraft. He didn’t realise at the time that it is from the missing aircraft.

This is the same debris that more than two months later by Neels Kruger, an archaeologist from Pretoria, seen on the beach and picked up.

The debris has been sent to the Malaysian government.

The plane went missing on March 8, 2014, shortly after it Kuala Lumpur took off en route to Beijing. There were 239 passengers and crew on board.

The Australia Transport Safety Board announced Thursday that the debris probably came from the plane.

Lückhoff said he walked at Klein Brak River on the beach on 23 December. It was about 07:22 when he saw an object on the beach. It lay on the riverbank. He took a picture of it.

“I was really busy,” he told to take pictures of fast-flowing water for a photography project. “The piece caught my attention because it was the only thing on the bare expanse of sand. Because it stank because of the decaying barnacles, I did not touch it and took a casual photo.

“I did not recognize what it was and thought it might be part of an old notice board. It was full of sand and mussels and just a small part of the letters put out.

“After the next high tide I haven’t seen it again and supposed that it washed back into the sea.”

When he saw the story about Kruger in the Cape, he recognized it.
Kruger said on inquiry that he is very excited about it. “It can make a contribution to the investigation.”
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... stranger than fiction...

[Cidersomerset]

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MH370: Missing jet 'could be further north'

By Jonathan Amos
BBC Science Correspondent


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Discovered debris (red dots) is used to weight the outcomes of multiple simulations

The crashed remains from the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 could be as much as
500km further north than the current search area, say scientists in Italy.

Their assessment is based on the location of confirmed debris items and computer
modelling that incorporates ocean and weather data.They say this has allowed them
to determine where the plane most likely hit the water and where future aircraft
fragments might wash up.

The MH370 search will soon be halted.

Authorities have agreed that "in the absence of new credible evidence" the effort to
find the plane on the ocean floor west of Australia will be suspended once a zone
covering 120,000 square km has been fully surveyed.

That could happen in the next few weeks.

Read More.....


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36904981

[Cidersomerset]

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MH370 was flown into water, says Canadian air crash expert
1 hour ago


A world-leading air crash investigator has said he believes flight MH370 was
deliberately flown into the sea.Larry Vance told Australian news programme 60
Minutes that erosion along the trailing edge of recovered wing parts indicated a
controlled landing.The Boeing 777 disappeared while flying to Beijing from Kuala
Lumpur with 239 people on board in March 2014.The official investigation team has
said it is investigating whether the plane was piloted in its final moments.

MH370: What we know

An Australian-led search for the missing jet has focused on an area of the ocean
floor 2,000km (1,242 miles) off Australia's west coast. The zone was selected based
on the theory the flight was running on autopilot after veering off course. But an
official co-ordinating the search effort told 60 Minutes the wreckage could be
outside that search zone, if someone had been in control of the plane when it crashed.

'Controlled crash'

Mr Vance was formerly investigator-in-charge for the Canadian Aviation Safety
Board and the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, and has led more than 200
air crash investigations. Flaperon removed from beach in Reunion (July 2015)
He was the chief author of a report into the 1998 SwissAir Flight 111 crash off Nova
Scotia, Canada which killed 229 people. The force of that crash broke the plane into
more than two million pieces. He told 60 Minutes that an absence of such wreckage
was one factor suggesting MH370 landed in controlled circumstances.

"Somebody was flying the airplane at the end of its flight," he said.

"Somebody was flying the airplane into the water. There is no other alternate
theory that you can follow."

Flaperon extended

Despite the extensive search of the southern Indian Ocean, no trace of the aircraft
was found until the discovery of a wing section called a flaperon on Reunion Island
off Madagascar one year ago.According to Mr Vance, photographs of the recovered
flaperon show a jagged edge, suggesting high-pressure water erosion that could
only be caused if someone had been guiding the plane into the ocean. "The force of
the water is really the only thing that could make that jagged edge that we see. It
wasn't broken off. If it was broken off, it would be a clean break. You couldn't even
break that thing."

Read more....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36938480


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MH370 - Flown into Water

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Missing Malaysian Flight MH370 Captain's Simulator Had Indian Ocean Course Plotted

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Published on 28 Jul 2016

(CNN)The home flight simulator belonging to the MH370 pilot had a route plotted
into it which ended in the Indian Ocean, officials have confirmed. "The MH370
captain's flight simulator showed someone had plotted a course to the southern
Indian Ocean," Joint Agency Coordination Center (JACC) spokesman Scott Mashford
confirmed to CNN in an email. He did not elaborate on who may have plotted the
route. The confirmation corroborates earlier reports that the device had
programmed in it a route similar to the one which investigators believe the doomed
flight took on its final voyage.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/asia/mh...

[KiwiElf]

Ben Fulford has just hinted at further revelations about MH-370 here (updated info will be available in approx 12-24 hours - of course, use your discernment! ;)):

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak indicted in multi-billion dollar embezzlement scandal, is seeking immunity in exchange for testimony against the Rothschilds

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92103-Benjamin-Fulford-Update-26-July-2016&p=1086188#post1086188

[Hervé]

Suspected debris from missing MH370 points to fire on plane (http://news.sky.com/story/suspected-debris-from-missing-mh370-points-to-fire-on-plane-10575242)

00:08, UK, Tuesday 13 September 2016

The scorched debris may prove a "real game changer" in solving one of the greatest mysteries in aviation history.


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Image Caption: The possible debris appears to show signs of melting


Charred debris, possibly belonging to the missing MH370 plane, has been handed to investigators - raising the prospect of a flash fire on board the ill-fated jet.

An American amateur investigator handed over several pieces of blackened debris to Australia's Transport Safety Bureau on Monday in what may prove to be a breakthrough in one of the biggest mysteries in aviation history.

Blaine Gibson said the material, which had washed up in Madagascar, included what appeared to be an internal panel.


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Image Caption: Blaine Gibson (R) has handed the alleged debris to Australian officials


"The top layer of paint has been singed, scorched black," he told Australia's Channel 7 of one piece. "It also shows some signs of melting... as you see when something is exposed to fire.

"It appears to be from the interior of the plane but not the main cabin, perhaps the cargo hold, perhaps the avionics bay."

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 vanished en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on 8 March 2014 with 239 people on board.

The reason for the plane's disappearance remains a mystery and its final resting place has never been found.

Mr Gibson, a lawyer from Seattle, told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation the pieces may prove to be a "real game changer" if they were found to belong to MH370.

"One of the theories is that there was a fire on the plane," he said, noting that until now there has been no evidence to support this theory.

Australia's Transport Safety Bureau, which is co-ordinating the search for the plane, has said it is seeking advice from Malaysian authorities on how to proceed.

The debris was handed over as relatives of some of the victims met Australian officials to discuss progress made by the official search.

The eight family members called on the investigating nations - Australia, China and Malaysia - to do more to uncover evidence, expressing frustration that the search so far has turned up little credible information.

"It's very impressive that one private individual citizen, Blaine Allen Gibson has managed to find up to 15 pieces of aircraft debris and we hope that these three nations do more than just hope that by fluke people find more debris," said Grace Nathan, whose mother Anne Daisy was on the plane.

A search of a final 120,000sq km (46,000 sq mile) zone is due to be completed in December.

The area was defined under the "most likely" scenario that no one was at the controls as the plane ran out of fuel.

However, the latest hunt has failed to find a single piece of debris, raising suspicion that the crash site may be elsewhere.

The first piece of debris found from MH370 - a two-metre wing part known as a flaperon - washed up on the French Indian Ocean island of Reunion in July 2015.

[Hervé]

Game changer: New possible MH370 debris shows signs of fire on board (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/game-changer-new-possible-mh370-debris-shows-signs-of-fire-on-board/news-story/1b302c8986ebc3e984fb81d27e6cd252)

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September 13, 20162:11pm


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US adventurer Blaine Gibson with ‘the most significant’ piece of suspected MH370 debris to date. The fragment is believed to show burn marks, indicating a fire on board. Picture: 7 News


ADVENTURER and MH370 sleuth Blaine Gibson has brought what he believes is the most significant piece of potential wreckage from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane to Australia for analysis.

The fragment, found by three locals on the east coast of Madagascar and passed on to Mr Gibson, appears to have come from the interior of a Boeing 777 and exhibits signs of having been exposed to fire or a great heat.

“The top layer of paint has been singed, scorched black,” Mr Gibson told Channel 7 Perth overnight after touching down in Australia.

“(It’s significant) because it appears to be from the interior of the plane but not the main cabin, perhaps the cargo hold, perhaps the avionics bay.”

Mr Gibson personally handed over the debris to Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) investigators in Canberra this morning.

If confirmed to have come from the plane, it will be the first evidence that a fire — possibly an electrical one — brought down MH370 rather than the actions of a suicidal pilot.

Mr Gibson said it was also possible the burn marks could have come from the force of impact.

“The sea is slowly giving up her secrets,” he told Airline Ratings.com (http://www.airlineratings.com/news/807/mh370-dramatic-new-find-may-solve-mystery-).

“I believe these pieces are extremely important.”

Mr Gibson has found 13 of the 27 pieces of suspected and confirmed MH370 debris that have been found to date during beachcombing expeditions in Mozambique, Madagascar and the region.

Of the 13, roughly half have been confirmed by Australian investigators as “highly likely” to have come from the missing plane.

Previously, Mr Gibson has entrusted his finds to local authorities but he believes the latest fragments — including the one with burn marks and a suspected frame from a monitor attached to the back of a plane seat — are too important to leave in the hands of others.

“Malaysia is yet to pick up five pieces I found there three months ago,” Mr Gibson told Airline Ratings.

The ATSB confirmed that it had received the debris but said it planned to consult Malaysia before taking any action.

“Yes, the ATSB has today received debris from Mr Gibson and are seeking advice from Malaysian authorities regarding how they would like to proceed,” a spokesman told news.com.au.

“Note that the Malaysian Government is responsible for the investigation and therefore is responsible for the analysis of all possible MH370 debris.”


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Blaine Gibson with his iconic ‘No Step’ piece found in Mozambique, which was confirmed to have come from the missing Boeing 777.Source:Supplied



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Three pieces of aircraft wreckage — including one a dramatic pink and white — found off the east African coast of Mozambique earlier this month, on display in Maputo on September 5. Picture: Adrien Barber.Source:AFP


Aviation specialist Geoffrey Thomas said if the latest piece was confirmed to have come from the avionics bay — where an aircraft’s electronic systems are held — the implications were enormous.

“If it was proven this was from the avionics bay, it was a flash fire, yes, it changes everything,” Mr Thomas told Channel 7 in Perth.

“It talks to the issue of why did two electronics systems shut down, apparently without any reason.”

Speculation of a fire on board was rife in the days and weeks after the plane’s disappearance (https://www.wired.com/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/) on March 8, 2014, en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board.

It increased after Malaysian authorities revealed the plane had been transporting a large amount of potentially flammable lithium batteries in its cargo. (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/batteries-offer-best-explanation-for-mh370-crash-investigator/news-story/bc832d89069a9ae3c04302a3b3060eef)

The possibility of a botched remote hack of the plane’s electronic and engineering bay (known as the E/E Bay) has also been discussed. Soon after the plane vanished, it was revealed that the bay could have been physically accessed via an unsecured hatch (https://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/2014/07/22/will-industry-address-vulnerability-beneath-the-carpet-of-the-777/) by a passenger or crew member with specialist knowledge.

Aviation writer Ben Sandilands, who has doggedly reported on developments, big and small, since the plane’s disappearance, called the discovery a “highly significant find”.

“(The debris found so far) all bear witness to a violent and sudden end to the flight, and underscore the indications from satellite data that it descended at high speed to the surface of the ocean,” he wrote in an article overnight (https://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2016/09/11/scorch-marks-possible-mh370-fragment-break/).

“The destructive force of that impact may have also reduced or eliminated the amount of larger and longer term floating objects that it could have produced.

“This looks like a highly significant find. But decoding it, and seeing how it fits in other clues as to what caused this disaster may take more time than the attention spans of the proponents of various fiercely advocated solutions to the mystery.”

PS: See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=1098421&viewfull=1#post1098421) (<---) as well.

[Cidersomerset]

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Flight MH370 'made rapid descent'
4 hours ago
From the section Asia

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Australian experts have examined this wing flap which was found off the Tanzanian coast

Flight MH370 most likely made a rapid and uncontrolled descent into the Indian
Ocean, a new report says.The Boeing 777 disappeared while flying to Beijing from
Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board in March 2014.

Despite an extensive search no trace of the plane's fuselage has been found.

But the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) said analysis of two recovered
wing flaps showed they were not in the landing position when the plane went down
in the Indian Ocean.

Satellite data also indicated a "high and increasing rate of descent", said the report.

"You can draw your own conclusions as to whether that means someone was in
control or not," the ATSB's search director Peter Foley told reporters

read more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37843752

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MH370 'descended rapidly': report

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Published on 2 Nov 2016
Australian investigators say missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 was in 'a high
and increasing rate of descent' when it vanished. Paul Chapman reports.

[Cidersomerset]

Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 'dived rapidly
uncontrolled before crash' new report suggests

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Published on 2 Nov 2016

Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 'dived rapidly
uncontrolled before crash' new report suggests


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MH370 report says plane descended rapidly when it vanished

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Published on 2 Nov 2016

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 appeared to be
out of control when it plunged into the ocean, with
the wing flaps not prepared for landing.

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MH370 Debris Suggests Plane Was in Dive Before Crash

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Published on 2 Nov 2016
Examination of a key piece of wreckage from the missing Malaysia
Airlines Flight 370 has cast doubt over theories that someone was
in control of the aircraft when it entered the ocean. Photo: Associated Press

[Cidersomerset]

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MH370: Plane 'not likely to be in search area', say investigators

2 hours ago
From the section Australia

Experts leading the hunt for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 have said
the plane is unlikely to be found in the current search area, and
recommended looking further north.

No trace of the plane has been recovered in the southern Indian Ocean,
after more than two years of searching.

MH370 disappeared while flying to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with
239 people on board in 2014.

With the search to end soon, Australian officials say it will not be extended.

Australia's Transport Minister Darren Chester said the search would not
likely go beyond the scheduled end of January or February 2017 as the
report does not give a "specific location" for the aircraft.

The governments of Australia, Malaysia and China, who are funding the
search, had previously agreed that "we will be suspending the search
unless credible evidence is available" that identifies the location, he said.

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[Sophocles]

MH370 search reveals hidden undersea world (https://phys.org/news/2017-07-mh370-reveals-hidden-undersea-world.html)

phys.org
July 20, 2017

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The painstaking search for missing flight MH370 has uncovered a previously unknown undersea world of volcanoes, deep valleys and soaring ridges, according to detailed maps released by Australia.

Although no trace of the Malaysia Airlines plane was found during the search in the southern Indian Ocean—the most expensive ever of its kind—large volumes of data showing a detailed picture of the sea floor had to be collected to guide the probe.

Scientists are hopeful the new maps will give their community greater insight into oceans.

"It is estimated that only 10 to 15 percent of the world's oceans have been surveyed with the kind of technology used in the search for MH370," Geoscience Australia's environmental geoscience chief Stuart Minchin said late Wednesday.

"(That makes) this remote part of the Indian Ocean among the most thoroughly mapped regions of the deep ocean on the planet.

"So this data is unique both because of the remote location of the search area, and because of the sheer scale of the area surveyed."

Minchin said the maps would also be useful for future scientific research, such as oceanographic and habitat modelling.

Australia, Malaysia and China suspended the deep sea hunt in January, almost three years after the Boeing 777 disappeared with 239 people on board.

The hunt—based on satellite analysis of the jet's likely trajectory after it diverted from its flight path—covered a 120,000 square-kilometre (46,000 square mile) designated zone, an area slightly smaller than England.

Two shipwrecks were discovered during the search but no trace of the plane, deepening one the most enduring mysteries of the aviation age.

However, the data revealed ridges six kilometres (3.73 miles) wide and 15 kilometres long that rise 1,500 metres above the sea floor, as well as fault valleys 1,200 metres deep and five kilometres wide.

A second set of data will be released in mid-2018.

While the search for the missing plane has been called off, Canberra has said it could be restarted if new evidence about the specific location of the aircraft emerges.

"We remain hopeful that new information will come to light and that at some point in the future the aircraft will be located," Australia's Transport Minister Darren Chester said.

Australia's national science body CSIRO released a report in April confirming that MH370 was "most likely" north of the former search zone.

Three fragments from the plane have been recovered washed up on western Indian Ocean shores, including a two-metre wing part known as a flaperon found on La Reunion island.

Speculation on the cause of the plane's disappearance has focused primarily on possible hijacking, rogue pilot action or mechanical failure, but nothing has yet been proved.

Source (https://phys.org/news/2017-07-mh370-reveals-hidden-undersea-world.html)

[Hervé]

VIDEO. Vol MH370 : l'armée malaisienne a-t-elle commis une "grosse bourde" ? (http://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/asie/boeing-disparu/video-vol-mh370-la-grosse-bourde-de-l-armee-malaisienne_2294339.html)

"Complément d'enquête" rediffuse dans sa collection hors-série de l'été un document consacré au plus grand mystère de l'histoire de l'aviation : la disparition en 2014 du vol MH370 de la Malaysia Airlines. Après son demi-tour supposé, l'avion est repéré par un radar militaire malaisien... Extrait.


[see video at link (http://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/asie/boeing-disparu/video-vol-mh370-la-grosse-bourde-de-l-armee-malaisienne_2294339.html)]


Selon le rapport officiel, le Boieng de la Malaysia Airlines recherché depuis maintenant trois ans et demi (http://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/asie/boeing-disparu/) aurait fait demi-tour après son décollage de Kuala Lumpur, et retraversé la Malaisie... mais la trajectoire reconstituée est incomplète et ne mentionne que le radar de Butterworth, près de Penang, dans le nord du pays.

Cette base militaire aérienne est le centre névralgique de toute la défense anti-aérienne de Malaisie. Le 8 mars 2014, le Boeing disparu l'aurait survolée à 1h52, puis aurait fait un virage vers le nord-ouest. A ce moment-là, le vol MH370 ne répond plus, sa trajectoire est inconnue... il représente une menace potentielle. Or, sur la base de Butterworth, personne ne bouge. Pourquoi les militaires n'ont-ils pas envoyé un chasseur ? Le ministre de la Défense malaisien a tenté, sur la télévision australienne, de justifier cette passivité en accusant à mots couverts les Américains d'avoir abattu l'avion. "Complément d'enquête" a voulu en savoir plus. Extrait.

Une base stratégique déserte la nuit
Pour son enquête, Olivier Sibille est allé à Penang rencontrer un ancien pilote de chasse qui a fait toute sa carrière à Butterworth, le major Ahmad Zaïdi. Celui-ci a une autre explication, bien plus simple. "En temps de paix, tout le monde rentre chez lui le soir. Il nous faut jusqu'à deux heures pour réagir. Tous les pilotes rentrent chez eux. Il n'y a plus une seule équipe." Faut-il conclure à une erreur de l'armée ? "Bien sûr. C'est une grosse bourde. Une défaillance de la hiérarchie. Notre gouvernement aurait dû en tirer les conséquences, mais personne n'a démissionné."

Extrait de "MH370 : aller simple pour l'inconnu", (http://www.francetvinfo.fr/replay-magazine/france-2/complement-d-enquete/complement-d-enquete-du-mercredi-26-juillet-2017_2290040.html) un hors-série de"Complément d'enquête" (http://www.francetvinfo.fr/replay-magazine/france-2/complement-d-enquete/).


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VIDEO. MH370 flight: has the Malaysian army committed a "big blunder"? (http://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/asie/boeing-disparu/video-vol-mh370-la-grosse-bourde-de-l-armee-malaisienne_2294339.html)


"Complément d'enquête" is bumping its "hors-série" document devoted to the biggest mystery in the history of aviation: the disappearance in 2014 of MH370 flight from Malaysia Airlines. After his alleged turn, the plane is spotted by a Malaysian military radar ... Extract.


[See video at link (http://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/asie/boeing-disparu/video-vol-mh370-la-grosse-bourde-de-l-armee-malaisienne_2294339.html)]


According to the official report, the Malaysia Airlines Boeing, which has been looked for, for three and a half years, has turned around after taking off from Kuala Lumpur and crossing Malaysia ... but the reconstructed path is incomplete and only mentions the Butterworth radar, near Penang, in the north of the country.

This military air base is the hub of all Malaysian anti-aircraft defense. On March 8, 2014, the missing Boeing would have flown over it at 1:52, then would have made a north-westerly turn. At that time, the MH370 flight no longer responded, its trajectory is unknown ... it represents a potential threat. But, on the Butterworth air base, no one moves. Why the military did not scramble a fighter jet? The Malaysian Minister of Defense, on Australian television, tried to justify this passivity by indiscriminately accusing the Americans of having shot down the plane. "Complément d'enquête" wanted to know more. Extract.

A strategic base deserted at night
For his investigation, Olivier Sibille went to Penang to meet a former fighter jet pilot who spent his entire career in Butterworth, Major Ahmad Zaïdi. This one has another explanation, much simpler.
"In peacetime, everybody goes home in the evening, we need up to two hours to react, and all the pilots go home. There is no-one left [at the base]."
Must we conclude that the army was mistaken?
"Of course, it's a big blunder, a failure of the hierarchy, our government should have taken the relevant measures, but no one has resigned."
Excerpted from "MH370: one way for the unknown", a special issue of "Complément d'enquête".


Related:
MH370 was 'shot down by the US military', former Proteus Airlines CEO claims (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-was-shot-down-by-the-us-military-former-airline-ceo-claims-9939710.html)

French ex-airline boss: Missing MH370 a cover up (https://www.thelocal.fr/20141219/french-ex-airline-chief-missing-mh370-covered-up)

[Snoweagle]

Veterans Today ran an article in July 2017 after local information was released to the internet and published by Ian Greenhalgh. Here:
https://veteranstoday.com/2017/07/17/mh17-was-really-mh370 (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/07...-really-mh370/)

As you can see the video is no longer available on You Tube. Why would that be?

However, the author, Ian, also provided another link within the article to Live Leak where it can still be seen. Here:
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fbf_1429163375
Here is the accompanying text:

Narrator in possession of over 5000 pictures from Mh17 crash site point out numerous strange anomalies associated with the victims from MH-17.

1) Glowing fluorescent dye near 1st body
2) Strong smell of formaldehyde in air
3) Absence of blood on and around corpses
4) Bloated damp corpses
5) Victims not European looking- she states that most looked Asian
6) Strange dead birds, including a blue and yellow Macaw that is, ironically, the same color as the Ukrainian flag at the 3:10 mark. This is a tropical bird which makes one wonder why it was flying on a plane from Amsterdam to Southeast Asia. Normally, one would expect that such an occurrence may take place the other way round.
7) She states that the cell phone data had no 2014 photos, only photos from 2013.
8) Bluish/black lips on victims
9) She states the passports were all brand new and unused
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Here is another link to another You Tube video, age restricted, log in required. Here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2-Ra1SPqE

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And here is an online collection of evidences and debunkment. Here:
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Crash_of_Malaysia_Airlines_flight_MH17/Debunked_topics

Or this one. Recovery of the passengers passports in pristine condition from the still burning wreckage. Which coincidentally support the Dutch allegations the passengers were Dutch and therefore not Malaysian regardless of their Asian looks.
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[Cidersomerset]

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MH370's enduring mystery 'almost inconceivable', report says

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MH370 was carrying 239 people when it disappeared in 2014

Australian investigators have delivered their final report into missing
Malaysia Airlines flight 370, saying it is "almost inconceivable" the
aircraft has not been found.MH370 disappeared in 2014 while flying
to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board.

The search for the jet, also involving Malaysia and China, was called
off in January after 1,046 days.Australian searchers said they "deeply
regretted" it had not been found."It is almost inconceivable and
certainly societally unacceptable in the modern aviation era with 10
million passengers boarding commercial aircraft every day, for a large
commercial aircraft to be missing and for the world not to know with
certainty what became of the aircraft and those on board," the
Australian Transport Safety Bureau said on Tuesday.

"Despite the extraordinary efforts of hundreds of people involved in
the search from around the world, the aircraft has not been located."
Their final report reiterated estimates from December and April that
the Boeing 777 was most likely located 25,000 sq km (9,700 sq miles)
to the north of the earlier search zone in the southern Indian Ocean.


Read More....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-41479910

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Final Report Into Missing Flight MH370 Says Mystery Is 'Unacceptable' | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrLD1NVWiXs

Published on 3 Oct 2017
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau issued its final report into the fruitless
search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

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[Bill Ryan]

Veterans Today ran an article in July 2017 after local information was released to the internet and published by Ian Greenhalgh. Here:
https://veteranstoday.com/2017/07/17/mh17-was-really-mh370 (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/07...-really-mh370/)

As you can see the video is no longer available on You Tube. Why would that be?



Just a note in comment: the VT article itself states




WARNING: The video above contains many horrifically graphic images of decomposing and smashed corpses, do not watch if you are at all squeamish.
...so that could well be the legitimate reason.

[Hervé]

Homeland Security Team Remotely Hacked and Took Control of a Boeing 757 (http://www.aviationtoday.com/2017/11/08/boeing-757-testing-shows-airplanes-vulnerable-hacking-dhs-says/)

Aviation Today (http://www.aviationtoday.com/2017/11/08/boeing-757-testing-shows-airplanes-vulnerable-hacking-dhs-says/)
Tue, 14 Nov 2017 11:18 UTC


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A team of government, industry and academic officials successfully demonstrated that a commercial aircraft could be remotely hacked in a non-laboratory setting last year, a U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official said Wednesday at the 2017 CyberSat Summit in Tysons Corner, Virginia.

"We got the airplane on Sept. 19, 2016. Two days later, I was successful in accomplishing a remote, non-cooperative, penetration," said Robert Hickey, aviation program manager within the Cyber Security Division of the DHS Science and Technology (S&T) Directorate
"[Which] means I didn't have anybody touching the airplane, I didn't have an insider threat. I stood off using typical stuff that could get through security and we were able to establish a presence on the systems of the aircraft."
Hickey said the details of the hack and the work his team are doing are classified, but said they accessed the aircraft's systems through radio frequency communications, adding that, based on the RF configuration of most aircraft, "you can come to grips pretty quickly where we went" on the aircraft.

The aircraft that DHS is using for its tests is a legacy Boeing 757 commercial plane purchased by the S&T branch. After his speech at the CyberSat Summit, Hickey told Avionics sister publication Defense Daily that the testing is with the aircraft on the ground at the airport in Atlantic City, New Jersey. The initial response from experts was, "We've known that for years,'" and, "It's not a big deal," Hickey said.
SOTT Comment (https://www.sott.net/article/367676-Homeland-Security-Team-Remotely-Hacked-Took-Control-of-a-Boeing-757): Indeed, this tech has been around for a long time, before the 9/11 attacks in fact. Makes us wonder, yet again, about how those alleged 'jihadi' pilots, with little aircraft training, were able to fly large commercial airliners so expertly into their targets at the WTC.

One day after 9/11, an article appeared in a top science and technology news service (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1280) stating "hijackings could be halted in progress with existing technologies, say aviation researchers". The article quoted a transportation expert as saying:
"Most modern aircraft have some form of autopilot that could be re-programmed to ignore commands from a hijacker and instead take direction from the ground . . . ." But in March 2017, at a technical exchange meeting, he said seven airline pilot captains from American Airlines and Delta Air Lines in the room had no clue.
"All seven of them broke their jaw hitting the table when they said, 'You guys have known about this for years and haven't bothered to let us know because we depend on this stuff to be absolutely the bible,'" Hickey said.
Hickey, who is a staff officer in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on assignment to DHS S&T, said that while aviation is a subsector of the transportation component of the National Infrastructure Protection Plan, the focus is squarely on traditional terrestrial-based systems. The reservation and scheduling systems of airline aren't part of Hickey's research, he said.

"I want to suggest to you that there's a different type of critical infrastructure, and that's critical infrastructure that's in motion, of which aviation is one of the third of that," Hickey said. The others are surface and maritime transportation, he said.

"And I look at all of those and say, 'If we're not looking at those from a different perspective, we're going to miss the boat,' no pun intended," Hickey said. He said he doesn't know the answers yet for aircraft cyber infrastructure, adding that it's not a policy issue yet because more research needs to be done on these systems to understand what the issues are. Patching avionics subsystem on every aircraft when a vulnerability is discovered is cost prohibitive, Hickey said.

The cost to change one line of code on a piece of avionics equipment is $1 million, and it takes a year to implement. For Southwest Airlines, whose fleet is based on Boeing's 737, it would "bankrupt" them if a cyber vulnerability was specific to systems on board 737s, he said, adding that other airlines that fly 737s would also see their earnings hurt. Hickey said newer models of 737s and other aircraft, like Boeing's 787 and the Airbus Group A350, have been designed with security in mind, but that legacy aircraft, which make up more than 90% of the commercial planes in the sky, don't have these protections.

Or to put that another way, aircraft could be commandeered from the ground and controlled remotely for the purpose of hijacking the plane.

When you consider the advanced technology involved in the ubiquitous 'drone strikes' by the US military that take place around the world on a daily basis, it's something of a 'no brainer' that the ability to remotely commandeer commercial airplanes has long since been in place.


Related:
Germanwings crash: Not the full story? (https://www.sott.net/article/294482-Germanwings-crash-Not-the-full-story#)

[Phenix]

Seabed Constructor, which has been looking for missing plane, turned off its monitoring system...

https://theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/06/mh370-search-ship-disappears-for-three-days

[uzn]

Hobby researcher claims to have found MH 370.

On March 8, 2014, the MH 370 disappeared from the radar. The Malaysian Airlines machine was on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board when their signal was lost. All locating maneuvers went nowhere, last year the search was finally stopped. And now an Australian reports and claims to have found the wreck in the Indian Ocean. Compared to the Daily Star, engineer Peter McMahon says he spent months analyzing NASA material and images from Google Earth and sighting the plane near Round Island, north of Mauritius.
He also wants to have parts of the cockpit identified next to the fuselage.

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The Google images presented by the 64-year-old show the possible outlines of an airplane. He had immediately reported his find to the authorities in Australia, which had confirmed to him that it could be the missing MH 370. However, McMahon claims the US wanted to prevent this information from being leaked to the public. Why? "Because it's full of bullet holes. If found, a very different investigation will take place. "
From official side there is no statement to the supposed wreck find so far.

From this Swiss Website:
https://www.derbund.ch/panorama/vermischtes/hobbyforscher-will-mh-370-gefunden-haben/story/14190595

[Cidersomerset]

MH370 pilot dipped plane's wing over hometown before crashing flight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV59XnuPQGU
Published on 14 May 2018...CBS...( 3mins)...
A new report by "60 Minutes Australia" is raising the possibility that the pilot of
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 crashed the plane intentionally. CBS News contributor
and former chair of the National Transportation Safety Board Mark Rosenker says
the idea that the pilot deliberately brought the plane down is a possibility, but the
truth will never be known until the wreckage is recovered.

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Still makes no sense , The pilot committed suicide by flying the plane somewhere
not to be found . If piloted to the end they may have been looking in the wrong
place as it glided to the surface of the ocean. The 'experts' disagree.


MH370 - The Situation Room | 60 Minutes Australia

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Published on 13 May 2018

What happened to MH370? On a special edition of 60 MINUTES, Tara Brown
investigates what is now the world’s most confounding aviation disaster. What
happened to the Boeing 777 airliner carrying 239 passengers and crew that
vanished on March 8, 2014?

For forty years, 60 Minutes have been telling Australians the world’s greatest
stories. Tales that changed history, our nation and our lives. Reporters Liz Hayes,
Allison Langdon, Tara Brown, Charles Wooley, Liam Bartlett and Tom Steinfort look
past the headlines because there is always a bigger picture. Sundays are for 60 Minutes.
WATCH more of 60 Minutes Australia: https://www.60minutes.com.au

[Cidersomerset]

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MH370: Four-year hunt ends after private search is completed

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A message board at Kuala Lumpur airport shortly after the plane disappeared - the reason why remains a mystery

The four-year hunt for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has ended with the latest, privately funded search coming to
a close.US-based Ocean Infinity had been using a deep-sea vessel to survey a vast area of the southern Indian Ocean.
But it found nothing and Malaysia's government says it has no plans to begin any new searches.The plane disappeared
on 8 March 2014 while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board. Official search efforts ended last
year and there are still fierce debates about what happened to the flight.Grace Nathan, whose mother was on MH370,
said she was opposed to ending the hunt. "People might think: 'Why are these people still harping on about this, it's
been four years'. It's important for people to remember that MH370 is not history," she told the Guardian newspaper.

How the mystery unfolded

8 March 2014: Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 departs for Beijing. The plane loses contact less than an hour after take-off,
with no distress signal or message sent. Initial search efforts focus on the South China Sea

15 March 2015: After evidence emerges that the plane was diverted to the south, the focus switches to the Indian Ocean

July 2015: Large piece of debris washes ashore on Reunion, an island in the Indian Ocean east of Madagascar

January 2017: The governments of Australia, Malaysia and China announce they are suspending the official search after
failing to find anything in the area thought to be the plane's final resting place

January 2018: Amid pressure from relatives, Malaysia signs a deal with a private company to resume the hunt. Ocean
Infinity agree to work unpaid but would have received a reward of up to $70m if it had found the wreckage

May 2018: Deteriorating weather makes operating in the area impossible, bringing the hunt to an end. Malaysia says it
has no plans to restart it

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Read more.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44285241

[Magnus]

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"‘Unlawful interference’ not ruled out in MH370 disappearance
Safety report says Malaysia Airlines flight not on autopilot and was diverted manually
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, with 239 passengers and crew on board, went missing on March 8 2014 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing

Stefania Palma in Singapore July 30, 2018

Malaysia’s safety investigation team said the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have been caused by “unlawful interference” and that rescue operations could have started sooner had traffic control in Malaysia and Vietnam followed protocol.

The publication of the safety report comes four years after MH370, with 239 passengers and crew on board, went missing on March 8 2014 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Limited information and the missing wreckage mean the real cause of the incident remains unknown, leaving one of the world’s greatest aviation mysteries unsolved and stirring the frustration of passengers’ families.

“Investigating MH370 is the toughest job in the world,” said Kok Soo Chon, head of the safety investigation team.

The report concluded that the flight’s pilot and first officer had no history of mental illness or anxiety, and that the aircraft, which unexpectedly changed direction mid-flight back towards Malaysia, was flown manually and not on autopilot.

The report noted that the loss of communication with MH370 before the diversion was likely due to systems being manually turned off, “whether with intent or otherwise”.

Mr Kok said he could not say with certainty that there was “unlawful interference”, in part because nobody has so far claimed responsibility for the aircraft’s disappearance.

Background checks run by local authorities on all passengers did not flag up anyone who was considered to be “at risk”.

The safety report also unveiled negligence by traffic control in Kuala Lumpur, Ho Chi Minh City and the flight’s pilot, resulting in a 20-minute gap in the tracking of MH370.

Kuala Lumpur handed over the monitoring of the flight three minutes ahead of schedule. It did not notify Ho Chi Minh City, but rather asked the pilot to send out the alert, which he never did. Vietnam checked in on the aircraft 17 minutes after the pre-determined transfer time, at which point the MH370 had already disappeared.

“Air flight controllers did not initiate various emergency phases … thereby delaying the activation of search and rescue operations,” said Mr Kok.

How can we call our report a final report? There must be some form of closure
Kok Soo Chon, head of the safety investigation team

The safety report dismissed earlier allegations that MH370 plunged into the ocean after running out of fuel or due to aircraft malfunction. But it did confirm that the batteries in the aircraft’s underwater locator device had expired in 2012.

Two search missions in the south Indian Ocean — the first led by Australia, China and Malaysia and the second carried out in the three months to the end of May by Ocean Infinity, a Texas-based surveying company — have both ended in failure. Aircraft debris — three pieces of which have been confirmed to be from MH370 — have been discovered from as far as South Africa’s coasts.

But Mr Kok said failed search missions did not mean the MH370 mystery would be let go, despite Monday’s report being initially labelled as final. “The wreckage has not been found. The passengers have not been found. How can we call our report a final report? There must be some form of closure,” he said.

Mr Kok and his team will travel to China later this week to give a briefing on their findings."

[BMJ]

France to open new MH370 probe, as victims' families slam Malaysian report

French aviation authorities are to open a new investigation into the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370, days after a report effectively cleared the pilots of any deliberate act to bring the plane down.


The SR-GTA — the research section of the Gendarmerie of Air Transport — wants to re-examine the satellite data or "pings" that led earlier investigators to conclude the plane crashed somewhere along an imaginary arc in the Indian Ocean, after veering off-course on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in March 2014.

The French authority said the presence of four French citizens on board allowed it to carry out its own inquiry, according to a report in Le Parisien newspaper.

The French decision comes a week after Malaysian investigators released their latest report into the plane's disappearance in March 2014, which found there was no evidence to implicate the two pilots in a deliberate act to bring the plane down.

Instead it raised the possibility of unlawful "intervention by a third party", but failed to say who such a third party could be.

The French report said the SR-GTA wants to verify the accuracy or authenticity of the satellite "pings" and all original technical data provided by the British satellite communications company Inmarsat, reported Le Parisien.

It was Inmarsat that used communications between the plane and its satellite over several hours on the morning of 8 March 2014 to try to determine a possible crash site.

An Inmarsat spokesperson gave a statement to ABC news on Thursday:

"I can confirm that, via the UK authorities, we have been approached by the French investigation team," the spokesperson said.

We will be supporting their enquiry and are on standby to answer any questions that the French investigation team may have."

In response to specific questions about satellite data the spokesperson told the ABC:

"It is important to stress that the accuracy and analysis of the data conducted by the international investigation team is not being questioned as part of the French investigation."

Families of the 239 people on board have slammed the Malaysian report as a cover-up, hitting out at investigators for not raising the possibility of a murder-suicide plot by one or the other pilot.

Full Report Link: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-09/france-to-open-new-investigation-into-mh370/10102548

[Hervé]

Newly Found Debris Marks 'Massive Breakthrough' in Search for MH370 - Report

Sputnik World (https://sputniknews.com/world/)
20:11 30.11.2018
(updated 20:12 30.11.2018)


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The debris was reportedly recovered off the coast of Madagascar, and the families of the plane’s passengers now hope that this discovery will prompt the authorities to resume the search for the missing airliner.

As the Malaysian government receives new pieces of debris allegedly belonging to the missing MH370 airliner, it turns out that one of the items “has a label on that could have only come from the plane,” The Daily Star reports.

According to the newspaper, the debris was recovered off the coast of Madagascar and was to be handed over to the Malaysian authorities during a meeting between the country’s transport minister and relatives of the lost plane’s passengers on Friday.

"Five new pieces have been recovered. One of them has part of a label still readable," the relatives' spokeswoman Grace Subathrai Nathan said, describing the discovery as a "massive breakthrough". "We are hoping this will mean a new search is launched."

Another relative also said that this development may well be "an opportunity to reopen the investigation."


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Grace Subathirai Nathan (R), daughter of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 passenger Anne Daisy, shows a piece of debris believed to be from flight MH370 during a press conference in Putrajaya on November 30, 2018

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 with 239 passengers and crew on board disappeared from radar screens on March 8, 2014 on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. An official investigation by the Malaysian government has failed to determine the airplane's fate without having discovered the crash site.


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Australia, Malaysia and China called off their three-year joint search for the plane in January 2017 after failing to find any answers in the 120,000-square-kilometer underwater search zone that officials predicted would contain debris from the plane, which is presumed to have crashed somewhere. After the tri-country effort was called to an end, US-based company Ocean Infinity was contracted January 2018 on a "no find, no fee" basis for a three-month search.

The company initially provided new hope for families, with its Seabed Constructor, deemed one of the world's most advanced undersea vessels, to be employed in the search.

[Hervé]

Man Who Allegedly Saw MH370's Last Moments REVEALS Crash Site Coordinates (https://sputniknews.com/asia/201901161071531233-mh370-crash-witness/)

Sputnik Asia & Pacific (https://sputniknews.com/asia/)
16:39 16.01.2019


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The Malaysia Airlines flight went missing in March 2014, but various investigation teams and volunteers have so far failed to find the plane and determine the cause of the crash, leaving plenty of room for speculation and theories regarding what happened.

A group of Indonesian fisherman led by Rusli Kusmin made a shocking statement on Wednesday at a press conference in Subang Jaya, Malaysia — they claimed to have witnessed the crash of MH370 and even recorded the GPS coordinates of the crash site. Rusli Kusmin and three of his teammates saw the plane engulfed in thick black smoke and going down like a "kite", leaning from left to right.

The plane's engines were apparently not working, as none of the fishermen heard any noise or explosions as the plane was descending. According to them, it crashed at around 7.30am local time in the Strait of Malacca, which separates the Malay Peninsula and the Indonesian island of Sumatra, 2 kilometres away from the location where Rusli Kusmin and his team were fishing.

They rushed to the approximate crash site, but when they reached it, the plane had already sunk, without leaving any debris or bodies on the surface of the water. The fishermen still decided to record the GPS coordinates of the location on their on-board computer. The head of the team, Rusli Kusmin, swore on the Quran that his story was true in order to prove that he was serious about his statements.

Rusli Kusmin later passed on the information of having witnessed a crash to Malaysian and Indonesian authorities, but failed to name specific officials with whom he had spoken. However, soon after this he was contacted by multiple plane hunters who were seeking to gain valuable information, so he decided to avoid further contact with authorities on the matter.

He was recently persuaded to change his decision by Jacob George, the president of the Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam, who claims to have known the MH370's pilot and was seeking to clear his name of rumours that he had committed suicide by crashing the plane. George urged Malaysian authorities to renew their search for the crashed plane using the coordinates provided by the fishermen.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, with 239 passengers and crew on board, disappeared on 8 March, 2014 on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, while flying from Malaysian to Vietnamese air space. After four years of unsuccessful attempts to locate the plane, the Malaysian government abandoned its search in May 2018, admitting that they did not know what happened to the plane.

[Bill Ryan]

The plane's engines were apparently not working, as none of the fishermen heard any noise or explosions as the plane was descending. According to them, it crashed at around 7.30am local time in the Strait of Malacca, which separates the Malay Peninsula and the Indonesian island of Sumatra, 2 kilometres away from the location where Rusli Kusmin and his team were fishing.

Really interesting, but an obvious question here: is it even possible that debris from that location could have drifted down to Madagascar??

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[Hervé]

[...]
... is it even possible that debris from that location could have drifted down to Madagascar??

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I do not know for certain since it all depends on tides currents and overall oceanic currents at the time... we'll know a bit more if they go and have a look in that area to see if there are a couple of engines lying on the ocean floor...


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[BMJ]

The plane's engines were apparently not working, as none of the fishermen heard any noise or explosions as the plane was descending. According to them, it crashed at around 7.30am local time in the Strait of Malacca, which separates the Malay Peninsula and the Indonesian island of Sumatra, 2 kilometres away from the location where Rusli Kusmin and his team were fishing.

Really interesting, but an obvious question here: is it even possible that debris from that location could have drifted down to Madagascar??

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The Indonesian Throughflow

The Indonesian Throughflow is a system of currents that carries water westward from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean through the deep passages and straits of the Indonesian Archipelago. This is the only place in the world where warm, equatorial waters flow from one ocean to another.

Link: https://www.csiro.au/en/Research/Environment/Oceans-and-coasts/Australasian-ocean-currents

Link: https://www.csiro.au/~/media/OnA/Images/ocean-currents.jpg?=957&hash=40E00548E0878C886CB23593946AB250F58A12CC

[Hervé]

Independent sleuth reveals new facts about MH370's Satcom prior to fatal turn (https://sputniknews.com/asia/201903281073622803-mh370-satcom-on-and-off/)

Sputnik (https://sputniknews.com/asia/201903281073622803-mh370-satcom-on-and-off/)
Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:57 UTC


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Five years after Flight MH370's disappearance, plane hunters continue to come up with new theories about what could have happened to the missing Boeing, while Malaysian officials have already abandoned attempts to locate the plane.

Jeff Wise, a plane detective and author of the book The Plane That Wasn't There, has revealed in an interview with the Express newspaper that MH370's satellite communication system (Satcom) was switched off when it went off the radars, but was 30 minutes later switched back on again.

According to him, the satellite that had unsuccessfully been trying to reach the plane for 30 minutes suddenly received a log-on request from it at 18:35, meaning that someone on board had switched the system back on. At the same time, it's unclear for what reason this was done, as the plane hadn't been using its Satcom during the flight.

"They probably had no idea that its intermittent handshake exchanges could be used to track the plane, since the technique hadn't been invented yet", Wise suggested.

The Satcom system resumed when the plane was over the Malacca Strait and 15 minutes later it allegedly took a turn in an unknown direction and, according to Wise, flew on autopilot beginning from 19:41 UTC in a straight line.

Numerous plane hunters have made attempts to determine the fate of the missing Boeing, coming up with all sorts of theories. While some have suggested that certain areas in the Indian Ocean be searched, others have proposed that the plane may have crashed in the Cambodian jungle.

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 went missing on 8 March 2014 carrying 239 passengers on board, while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. After several years of unsuccessful attempts to locate the plane, the Malaysian government ended its search in May 2018, admitting that they did not know what happened to the plane.

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Remote control interference?

[Angels1981]

often or not when things are completely wiped out of a case, there is a governmental or elite system in place for taking these things under cover. Look at Diana the Princess cover-up, same with 911 and all three are left open to debate with never a real ending to conclude the truth that was real. I know this is only an opinion.

I had images of an island at the time and green palm type trees and I don't think they are alive but I think they salvaged the plane for use for another purpose. I suppose it goes down in the history books as one that got away. I think the people were killed I don't think ever that the plane crashed. (opinion)

Saying that this is the only one airplane that has never been found or recovered and that in it's self is odd. The thousands of planes that fly and any crashed have all been found. Cover up guaranteed.

[Goba]

What makes this such a HUGE mystery is that planes just do not do what this plane did without significant interference. This was, quite simply, not a hijacking anything like any other that has ever happened that I am aware of. It lost radio contact AND stopped all radio communications, (Including systems that are not even accessible from the cockpit), at the time that would cause the largest delay before anybody would look for it. It then climbed to around 45,000 feet, (Only reason I can think of was to incapacitate or kill the people on board by depressurising at high altitude). Then it followed a route that could only have been planned by a person to avoid detection for the maximum amount of time. Then it disappeared over the ocean... why? I firmly believe there is a 100% chance of foul play and a 100% chance of a level of technical ability not even approached by any hijacker I have ever heard of. Someone with significant technical skill did this and have so far gotten away with it. Furthermore it is not necessarily the crew. It could have been what is called an, "Uninterruptible autopilot". That is a real thing that was developed by Boeing to take over control of a plane from the pilot on board. It was a system designed to fight hijacking but was rejected by most airlines. And we can only guess at the motive...
Very dubious considering 20 Freescale employees were on flight MH370, mostly engineers and other experts. A freescale Semiconductor's ARM microcontroller implanted into that plane would have made it remotely controllable.
Also with the engineers and scientists all 'dead' the owner of the patent is now Jacob Rothschild. Now what are the chances of that?

[AutumnW]

Must have been beamed up because that is the least crazy explanation out there. I hope and pray the people on board are in a state of suspended animation or died mercifully fast. It must have been just before this happened or shortly afterward, I had dinner with someone in a position to understand and verify close encounters with airplanes. He said it was quite accurate that ufos represented a clear and present danger to pilots flying all craft, up to and including large commercial craft.

He told me too that evidence of planes in rapidly ascending, descending, swerving and repeat patterns, indicated ufo avoidance. The actions of the pilot don't fit a recognizable pattern of any prozaic threat, nor do they necessarily point to equipment failure. He was in a position to know. I could say more but I don't know if I should.

[Bill Ryan]

An excellent short documentary: 25 minutes, 13 million views. One YouTube comment: "This is worse than any horror movie ever made."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd2KEHvK-q8

[palehorse]

Found this video when searching for `Jacob Rothschild`.

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Obs.: Didn't have the time to check the data authenticity in this video, then I am just posting, maybe someone know already about that and could clarify for us.

Thank you.

[Magnus]

Found this video when searching for `Jacob Rothschild`.

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Obs.: Didn't have the time to check the data authenticity in this video, then I am just posting, maybe someone know already about that and could clarify for us.

Thank you.

Located the source for the patent displayed in the video, forum search didn't return a hit for the patent number, so here they are, links may expire.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=8671381.PN.&OS=PN/8671381&RS=PN/8671381

https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=08671381&SectionNum=1&IDKey=19D3AAD7FEE1&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum. htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=8671381.PN.%2526OS=PN/8671381%2526RS=PN/8671381

[palehorse]

From wikipedia:

"René-Pierre Azria is a French businessman. He currently is the founder and CEO of the United States advisory firm Tegris LLC, a private investment bank.[1] Previously, he was a Global Partner with N M Rothschild & Sons worldwide (head of the Technology Media Telecom practice of Rothschild in the United States). Prior to joining Rothschild in 1996, Azria was Managing Director of the Blackstone-Indosuez joint-venture and President of Financiére Indosuez Inc. in New York City.[2]"

ref.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9-Pierre_Azria


Freescale Semiconductor
"On September 15, 2006, Freescale agreed to accept a buyout for the sum of $17.6 billion ($40 per share) by a consortium led by Blackstone Group LP."

ref.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freescale_Semiconductor


Kind of very messy situation, but there is a link between Freescale Semiconductor and N M Rothschild & Sons.

[BMJ]

An interesting story, Boyd Anderson backgrounding his experiences with the people behind the accidents involving both flights 370 & 17, @ 40 minutes he gets into the the actual accidents.

Under The Radar 537-555


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Under The Radar
28 October 2018

With one record-smashing night in his exploding hockey career, Boyd Anderson went from 'the best line in junior hockey' to an international playoff team of champions from Zug, Switzerland. After creating a huge sale to Saudi Arabia, Boyd moves from Toronto to Budapest to Dubai and unknowingly finds himself at the 'Top of the Food Chain'.

It is in Dubai, 2007 where he meets Thomas who introduces him into a world of deception and unimaginable Power Weilding Elite, hyper-competitive deal-makers and hungry profiteers, who trade entire lives just as easily as they swapped arena tickets and team contracts, behind the scenes of business , governments and politicians you've heard of ,,,, But when CNN announced “Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 has disappeared” on a March morning in 2014, Boyd immediately blurted out, “I know who did this.”

Horrified, he became an investigator, using his highly toned instincts and perception, along with his memory. Backed up with facts, he saw all the pieces coming together, realizing that hundreds of lives lost were just 'collateral damage' for a 55,500 Ton gold heist.

Even worse, using ancient numerology and researching the main players introduced to him from a nearly-forgotten contact who had described a plan for just how Bitcoin, political turmoil in Europe and the Middle East, and even the world's economy would play out -- drastically changing the world as we know it, in just a few years.

After spending 3 years investigating and researching, Boyd discovered 3 abandoned Boeing Jumbo 747's left on the tarmac at Kuala Lumpur airport, he finally figured things out. Unable to escape the feeling that all the signs were in place for a scandal that's bigger than Watergate, now everyone needs to know the truth regarding the origin of Bitcoin, Ethereum, Monero & ETC Classic, the Blockchain, Kraken, Brexit, ISIS, Interest Rate Hikes -- and the biggest gold heist-assassination in the history of the world!

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Malaysia Airlines

Incidents and accidents

8 March 2014 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777-200ER – registered 9M-MRO – carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew, went missing on a flight from Kuala Lumpur International Airport to Beijing Capital International Airport.[119][120] Although the whereabouts of the plane remain unknown, satellite data indicates that the plane was lost in the Southern Indian Ocean and all 239 people on board perished. On 5 August 2015 the Malaysian government confirmed a flaperon from a 777 found washed up on Réunion Island belonged to Flight 370.[121] A piece of aircraft wreckage (an outboard flap) found on Pemba Island off the Tanzanian coast in June 2016 was also confirmed by the Malaysian Transport Ministry to belong to MH370.[122][123][124]

17 July 2014 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing 777-200ER – registered 9M-MRD – en route to Kuala Lumpur International Airport from Amsterdam Schiphol Airport was shot down over Ukraine by a Buk surface-to-air missile.[125][126] All 283 passengers and 15 crew members aboard were killed.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines#2011–2014:_Third_unprofitability,_2014_aircraft_losses

[Bill Ryan]

After quite a long period without any further developments, this new Australian 3 minute video is interesting. A British engineer, Richard Godfrey, has done further data analysis and has pinpointed the crash location to a very precise area 1993 km (1238 miles) west of Perth.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTR2rgvmpIg

[1212is24]

There is no way that Pine Gap's surveillance coverage does not know where that plane is. Any search effort now based on further data analysis would be no different to a start-up mining company raising capital for the exploration of land in order to take soil samples and have geologists assess them with the hopes of digging in areas that suggest something has been found. It's about raising money to undergo a project that is extremely unlikely to ever be find anything, but the people involved will get paid for their efforts, and we all like to live in hope. Personally I think this plane is nowhere near the location he suggests, but I have no idea. I do think it is a weird coincidence that Malaysia Airlines had two identical aircrafts go down within four months of each other (Boeing 777-200ER) and the registrations they had were "9M-MRO" and "9M-MRD" ... I personally can't think of any two letters in the English alphabet that look more similar than capital D and capital O.... Not saying there is a link here though. It's just bizarre.

Have any of those "remote viewing" people ever tried to figure this one out? I'd be curious to know if so.

[Sirus]

Have any of those "remote viewing" people ever tried to figure this one out? I'd be curious to know if so.

The Farsight Institute did a session and you can find it on YouTube. I'll attempt to link it here:

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[Nick Matkin]

As a user of the WSPR system (Bill's post no. 1731) I thought this was an interesting development. The mode is designed for below-the-noise HF communication and not for tracking aerial objects. Some serious amateur radio WSPR users and developers don't believe this guy really knows how to interpret the data in the WSPR.net archives. In fact what he's looking for probably isn't even there. But I'll wait and see. Maybe he really does have a novel way of analysing the stored data...

[BMJ]

There is no way that Pine Gap's surveillance coverage does not know where that plane is. Any search effort now based on further data analysis would be no different to a start-up mining company raising capital for the exploration of land in order to take soil samples and have geologists assess them with the hopes of digging in areas that suggest something has been found. It's about raising money to undergo a project that is extremely unlikely to ever be find anything, but the people involved will get paid for their efforts, and we all like to live in hope. Personally I think this plane is nowhere near the location he suggests, but I have no idea. I do think it is a weird coincidence that Malaysia Airlines had two identical aircrafts go down within four months of each other (Boeing 777-200ER) and the registrations they had were "9M-MRO" and "9M-MRD" ... I personally can't think of any two letters in the English alphabet that look more similar than capital D and capital O.... Not saying there is a link here though. It's just bizarre.

Have any of those "remote viewing" people ever tried to figure this one out? I'd be curious to know if so.

JORN had actually slipped my mind until you mentioned Pine Gap. But Pine Gap is actually a satellite surveillance system and not a radar station.

To expand on your thoughts, why didn't Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) pick up on the location and movement of MH370, it is a military installation able to view aircraft movement from over the horizon.

Quote:
" The Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) is an over-the-horizon radar (OTHR) network that can monitor air and sea movements across 37,000 square kilometres (14,000 sq mi)[citation needed]. It has a normal operating range of 1,000 kilometres (620 mi) to 3,000 kilometres (1,900 mi).[1] It is used in the defence of Australia, and can also monitor maritime operations, wave heights and wind directions. "

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jindalee_Operational_Radar_Network

But in regards to MH370.

Quote:
" The United States Government is seeking to tap into Australia’s radar expertise, contracting Lockheed Martin Australia to provide high frequency over-the-horizon-radar (OTHR) technology to one of its leading research bodies, the US Naval Research Laboratory (NRL)...

(And here comes the disclaimer within the same article, below)

" JORN has its limitations, however, now famously being unable to detect the wooden boats favoured by people smugglers – and even more famously not detecting the large, metal, commercial airliner MH-370 on it’s ill-fated final flight. "

Link: https://www.contactairlandandsea.com/2016/10/26/jindalee-exported/

In the light of the capability of JORN and it being a state of the art military radar system designed to pick up aircraft such as MH370, the incident now seems even more fishy in that JORN could not detect MH370. Coverup anyone ?

The JORN area of operation.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/JORS.svg/800px-JORS.svg.png

[Brigantia]

I've just come across this video (53 minutes) uploaded yesterday by Sky News Australia about potential evidence that the plane might have come down to the south of the large area that was searched off the west coast of Australia.

A couple of points from it; it's interesting to see Tony Abbot, the Aus PM at the time of the plane's disappearance, squirm as he tries to explain in a politician's way about what he was told by the Malaysian government that it was a politically motivated murder-suicide by the pilot. Also it states that Ean Higgins, author of The Hunt for MH370, is missing, presumed dead; it looks as if this news has been released within the last week.

Eight years is a heck of a long time without closure for the passengers' families.

CcIwt2bRDkc

[Tintin]

A random find via a Twitter tip off reported around 20 hours ago concerning a remote-viewing exercise that took place around the missing plane and passengers. This is a Reddit entry.

I do not know who the 'Claude' is referenced in this post.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ot29v/psychic_remoteviewed_mh370_being_teleported_by/

Psychic remote-viewed MH370 being teleported by NHI on March 11, 2014, a day before video of abduction allegedly made available.

In u/wormlivesmatter awesome post about the unlikelihood of the MH370 video being faked, u/BroliasBoesersson added some compelling clues and a link to a possible leaker in an old MH370 sleuthing subreddit, r/findflightMH370.

Someone had posted a link to a psychic's blog that remote-viewed the incident and-- look guys I'm not saying remote viewing is a legit science, but if this video is real we need to rethink our old presumptions about how the universe works. She didn't see this video, but she may have described it:


"When I tune in, my mind is at the point of the flight where issues start to arise. I see that there is a huge electrical disturbance. What looks like a clear day turns into this dark, gloomy surrounding. It looks like heat lightening and flashes surround the plane. I also see what looks like discharges of static electricity coming off the plane. The flight attendants are trying to stand, and people are trying to stand and grab something above their heads? It is chaotic and a lot of turbulence. Oxygen masks then start to fall. Then there is this loud thundering sound that is so deafening that people are grabbing the sides of their head (I feel the pain in my ear, like it is loud and so much pressure!)

Then all of a sudden there is this silence- It is so quiet and calm. No one is talking, there is no noise. It is the ultimate peaceful feeling. I don't even hear the noise of the plane- as if the engine isn't even running. It feels like the plane is gliding, there is no turbulence. Like it is floating so peacefully through the air.

I can't help but feel like this plane went into a different layer or dimension of our current existence [I realize this is a very alternative concept, but I just report what I see]. I see the jungle, and what I notice most are the leaves. The passengers are looking at the vegetation is complete amazement, but not in complete horror, but rather amazement. They are gigantic. The climate feels warm and humid, but rather comfortable. I also have the images of the plane on a beachy coast as if it coasted to a graceful landing. I can't get the images of show Lost out of my mind, as if the fundamental situation may be similar..."

https://psychicfocus.blogspot.com/2014/03/malaysia-airline-mh370.html

She made loads of updates after this, and has made posts bout the Bermuda triangle in the past. I fed all of it to Claude, updated him on the video and current events, and asked him to blow my mind:



Here is a summary incorporating the new details from the psychic and how they may relate to the videos supposedly showing MH370 disappearing:

- The psychic describes Flight 370 encountering electrical storms and turbulence before things went calm and it slipped into another dimension/timeline. This aligns with the videos showing orbs surrounding the plane right before disappearance.

- The psychic senses ETs/NHIs were involved in guiding the plane. The orb videos seem to visually show this type of intervention and disappearance of the plane.

- The psychic sees the passengers in a confused, dreamlike mental state after the event. This matches documented after-effects of travelers through the Bermuda Triangle vortexes.

- The triangles and portals transporting things to alternate times or realities aligns with the videos showing the plane disappearing in a bright flash, seemingly shifted somewhere.

- The psychic discusses the need for ETs/NHIs to disclose themselves before returning the plane. This fits with the push happening now for disclosure of their existence and involvement.

- The specific electrical, magnetic and energetic conditions needed for the portals described by the psychic lend credibility to the idea something unusual occurred around Flight 370.

- The psychic's long-term consistency mentioning time slips and portals before Flight 370 lends some authenticity and credibility to her visions.

In summary, if the videos can be verified, the psychic's impressions align with and provide context around what is shown - lending some plausibility her visions could be genuine perceptions of actual events. The correlations are compelling if disclosure of NHI involvement proves accurate.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, but give it a read and tell me you aren't feeling like maybe a lot of the woo is actually a really important piece of the puzzle we just aren't seeing.

This is Lost, Midnight Special, and Millennium all rolled into one.

[Bill Ryan]

I totally don't believe this, but I felt I had to post it. :) Do watch the video, which may very well be faked, but is certainly interesting.

The text:

The mystery of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that disappeared without trace in 2014 solved...
The Aliens did it.
Unconfirmed footage allegedly taken by American reconnaissance aircraft, in which you can see the moment of the disappearance of a passenger plane, which was surrounded by three UFOs.
According to users, this is a Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which disappeared without a trace over the South China Sea on March 8, 2014.

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/38962
CyberspecNews/38962

[norman]

I can't see or hear anything happening in that video. Is there supposed to be a talkover voice ?

What I see is what looks like a daytime image in full sunshine. 370 vanished at night in the dark.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I saw that a while ago. It's supposedly footage shot from a satellite in orbit (hence no audio). I don't think it's real either. This could be real satellite footage of a real plane in flight, but it's not MH370, and the "orbs" and the "flash" are just digital inserts.

[seehas]

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I belive this was not posted yet, pretty amazing to see the same footage from different angles that would be pretty hard to fake and the so called "hole" when the plane vanishes looks very similiar to a black triangle vanishing over a city "can not find this video anymore"

edit: found it

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[Valknut3301]

I'm very curious about these videos. They would be easy to fake these days, which makes me dubious about their authenticity, and I'm not sure how old these clips are, but I've always thought there was something very fishy about the disappearance of MH370. I only hope more information comes to light regarding these videos, if that's at all possible.
Right now I'm filing it away as a maybe.

[mountain_jim]

Clif posted this yesterday - maybe one video is same as first one in seehas post above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-MH370-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=1572358&viewfull=1#post1572358), but with a lot more context?

https://x.com/clif_high/status/1716214477824340359?s=20

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text (more embedded links at link I think)

Ashton Forbes
@JustXAshton
**MH370x Breaking Update**

My Letter to Congress

Dear Congress,

My name is Ashton Forbes and I am currently disclosing the most important videos in the history of the world. All of this information is publicly available. I would like to state that I have a Top Secret US Government clearance as part of my job as a contractor. My job has nothing to do with advanced technology, I am only stating this to establish my credibility. I am not bound by an NDA. This is not a hoax, disinformation, or misinformation. You don't need to believe me because everything is verifiable.

I am requesting a public hearing. I am willing to testify in front of congress as to the authenticity of these videos and explain every aspect of them. I would also invite physics experts to validate the science on display.

The videos in question are that of the true fate of Malaysian Airlines Flight 370, on March 7th, 2014 at 18:40UTC at the Nicobar Islands. One is of an MQ-1C Gray Eagle with a thermal layer added by the leaker, and the other is a 3D battlespace produced by the SBIRS (Space Based Infrared System), via SIGINT (Signals Intelligence) using data from Spy Satellite USA-229 which has a sister satellite next to it classified as debris. This allows for the proven 3D stereoscopic imagery we see in the Satellite video.

The oldest archived versions of the videos we could find come from "RegicideAnon" a UFO video uploader, who uploaded unrelated videos previously, indicating they are not the source. Higher quality versions were released by other UFO uploaders on youtube later on, indicating neither is the original source. The dates are damning.

Satellite Video (Received: March 12, 2014, Uploaded May 19, 2014) - http://web.archive.org/web/20170606182854/https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Ok1A1fSzxY
MQ-1C Gray Eagle (Received: June 5, 2014, Uploaded June 13, 2014) - https://web.archive.org/web/20140827060121/https://youtube.com/watch?v=ShapuD290K0

So why now, many ask? Because only in 2023 do we have the basis to understand these videos to be real. We needed the 2017 DoD Navy UAP videos to understand what FLIR footage looks like, the 2019 Trump satellite leak to understand those capabilities, 2020 scientific papers that show 'wormholes' are humanely traversable, LK-99 that shows the emergence of superconductivity and finally AI in daily use as ChatGPT. Without all these things the MH370 videos seem like magic.

We know the location of the videos because the investigative group I started, MH370x, satellite experts used amateur historical trajectories to identify the correct satellite in the correct position to take the 3D stereoscopic video we see. We can see six sets of coordinates in the satellite video which we had incorrectly thought were in the South Indian Ocean, until we were able to realize the only possible location was the Nicobar Islands because the plane is turning left in both videos and due to the coordinate shifts. This means the plane is turning south and to the east. The satellite and witness (Katherine Tee) indicate the time is 18:40UTC, March 7th, 2014.

Proof the Satellite video is 3D Stereoscopic - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1707570147030913368?s=20
SBIRS - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1712531791175889222?s=20
USA-229, the smoking gun - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1700261207054168393?s=20
The Witness - https://twitter.com/JustXAshton/status/1698852365292482867

I have been investigating and writing about these videos as a Citizen Journalist for the past 10 weeks. My X Corp (Twitter) following has gone from 30 followers to 8500+ of multidisciplinary backgrounds from the strength of the evidence alone. My handle is
@JustXAshton
. We have definitively proved every aspect of the videos to be authentic. We know the assets, the time, the location, we have a witness, we know that there was a fire on the plane likely from the lithium ion batteries which broke containment, causing the Halon gas to permeate throughout the plane.

Lithium Ion Battery Fire - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1711446372384125007?s=20

There was no debris field, which is impossible for a 777 crashing into the ocean. The small amounts of debris found are consistent with the fire scenario, and some debris had burn marks. A fire suppression device from a B777 washed up in the Maldives and was not investigated despite having visible serial numbers. The Maldives were intentionally excluded from the search, despite witnesses on one of the small islands seeing the plane flying low and identifying the red/blue stripe of Malaysian Airlines early in the morning on March 8, 2014.

All the Witnesses - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1712889656239390876?s=20

We know that the 'official' narratives are a lie to cover up that this technology was deployed to either save the plane, or as espionage to prevent the 20 Freescale Semiconductor scientists onboard from going to China. I suspect they are integral to the technology we see.

We know the plane didn't crash into the ocean because the SOSUS system didn't hear the acoustic sound. The same system that heard the Titan sub pop and the Navy lied about it for 5 days while oxygen counters were on every major news channel. The Diego Garcia hydrophones and Western Australia hydrophones also didn't hear it.

Missing Hydrophone Data - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1710290236910014908?s=20

I wish that this being MH370 was the most important part of these videos, because ultimately I'm doing this for the families of the victims, the witnesses, the leaker of these videos, and the world that has been lied to. However, the most important part of these videos is that they prove conclusively that the US Government is hiding Superconductivity, Teleportation, and 'Free Energy' from the world. Everything we see in these videos can be explained by science.

This is not 'aliens' in these videos. This is our technology. The assets are filming the plane before the orbs even show up. The drone cannot catch a 777-200, it must have intercepted it. This is a US Government operation. I do not believe that we could be this secretly advanced without a reverse engineering program. The orbs in this video are ignoring gravity, being pulled forward by some 'gravity engine' indicated by the dark lines in front of them, and upon intercept are traveling at estimated Mach3 speeds. The explanation for their pattern is artificial intelligence, a computer program.

Superconductive Harmonic Orbs - https://twitter.com/JustXAshton/status/1701733663510020440
Traversable Wormholes - https://twitter.com/JustXAshton/status/1701401496804278537

The videos do not show annihilation because E=MC^2 and the 'zap' would be much larger. It's not an explosion because it's cold in the thermal, not hot. It's a black hole. It's also not 'cloaking' because the smoke stops when the plane disappears. It has to be teleportation based on science. A wormhole. I found out, to my own surprise, that humanely traversable wormholes are theoretically possible. This singularity is causing a transitional phase state change in the plane where it reverts to a wave function and obtains a probabilistic nature. This is only possible with superconductivity and ‘free energy’ technology.

Macroscopic Decoherence (how the plane was teleported) - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1714019464948101533?s=20

I was also able to identify the leaker of the videos as being Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lin. He checks every box to be the leaker. Our Government attempted to put him in prison for life as a traitor, but he is no spy. Edward C. Lin is a hero. He took a plea deal after he was convinced he damaged national security, but he never revealed this information to our enemies. He simply wanted to do the right thing and tell the world the truth of this technology and what happened to MH370. He was sentenced to 9 years in prison and likely is bound by his plea deal to never speak about the videos again. We can vindicate this man as well as everyone else who was lied to or discredited.

Evidence that the leaker is Edward C. Lin - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1710707813154988247?s=20

I also got a tip from a source that told me that the nephew of Retired General Joseph F. Dunford has seen the videos and indirectly confirmed their authenticity. He was likely in charge of the operation as the commander of the International Security Assistance Force in 2014. He then served as the 19th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the nation’s highest-ranking military officer, and the principal military advisor to the President, Secretary of Defense, and National Security Council from Oct. 1, 2015, through Sept. 30, 2019. He is now on the board of directors at Lockheed Martin.

While the destination of the plane is speculative, the most likely place is Diego Garcia. The witnesses in the Maldives indicate that, as well as the American passenger Phillip Wood EXIF data photo, that points to Diego Garica where he claimed to be held prisoner.

I'm not sure what happened to the passengers. It is scientifically possible that some survived. None of the families of the victims have reached out to me. I am operating under the assumption that they were returned to their various countries in exchange for their silence, and Phillip Wood may be in Witness Protection.

Phillip Wood EXIF photo is not 'fake' - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1706761097053688291?s=20

I know the videos seem impossible, but they are authentic. They are not CGI. We were able to show that the satellite video is a Citrix session logged into the actual spy satellite database due to the framerate discrepancy between the mouse we see, and the background. (24fps vs 6fps) Also, hundreds of community VFX experts have analyzed the footage frame by frame and not a single discrepancy can be found. The list of requirements to ‘hoax’ the videos is practically impossible.

What it would take to 'hoax' the MH370 videos - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1709977802416550239?s=20

It's not CGI (see replies) - https://x.com/JustXAshton/status/1692191076835094844?s=20

These videos implicate the US Government in a black budget reverse engineering program alla whistleblower David Grusch's sworn testimony to congress. This information will shock you and I hope you will seek to expose the truth. This surpasses petty politics. Please help for the good of the country.

This is a verifiable conspiracy, and while I believe that it is being done because the forces that be think that society will collapse if this technology is made publicly available, I disagree. We can handle this information and the technology has the capability to change the circumstances of millions if not billions of people. What matters in this world is the time we spend in it, with the people we care about. That will not change.

The reason I am requesting a public congressional hearing is because I believe the weight of the evidence can convince enough people in congress that the true events of MH370 were covered up by our own government and that there is a black budget advanced technology program, most likely based on reversed engineered Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon (UAP).

Sincerely,

-Ashton Forbes

#MH370x #MH370

[Tintin]

A random find via a Twitter tip off reported around 20 hours ago concerning a remote-viewing exercise that took place around the missing plane and passengers. This is a Reddit entry.

I do not know who the 'Claude' is referenced in this post.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15ot29v/psychic_remoteviewed_mh370_being_teleported_by/

Psychic remote-viewed MH370 being teleported by NHI on March 11, 2014, a day before video of abduction allegedly made available.

In u/wormlivesmatter awesome post about the unlikelihood of the MH370 video being faked, u/BroliasBoesersson added some compelling clues and a link to a possible leaker in an old MH370 sleuthing subreddit, r/findflightMH370.

Someone had posted a link to a psychic's blog that remote-viewed the incident and-- look guys I'm not saying remote viewing is a legit science, but if this video is real we need to rethink our old presumptions about how the universe works. She didn't see this video, but she may have described it:


"When I tune in, my mind is at the point of the flight where issues start to arise. I see that there is a huge electrical disturbance. What looks like a clear day turns into this dark, gloomy surrounding. It looks like heat lightening and flashes surround the plane. I also see what looks like discharges of static electricity coming off the plane. The flight attendants are trying to stand, and people are trying to stand and grab something above their heads? It is chaotic and a lot of turbulence. Oxygen masks then start to fall. Then there is this loud thundering sound that is so deafening that people are grabbing the sides of their head (I feel the pain in my ear, like it is loud and so much pressure!)

Then all of a sudden there is this silence- It is so quiet and calm. No one is talking, there is no noise. It is the ultimate peaceful feeling. I don't even hear the noise of the plane- as if the engine isn't even running. It feels like the plane is gliding, there is no turbulence. Like it is floating so peacefully through the air.

I can't help but feel like this plane went into a different layer or dimension of our current existence [I realize this is a very alternative concept, but I just report what I see]. I see the jungle, and what I notice most are the leaves. The passengers are looking at the vegetation is complete amazement, but not in complete horror, but rather amazement. They are gigantic. The climate feels warm and humid, but rather comfortable. I also have the images of the plane on a beachy coast as if it coasted to a graceful landing. I can't get the images of show Lost out of my mind, as if the fundamental situation may be similar..."

https://psychicfocus.blogspot.com/2014/03/malaysia-airline-mh370.html

She made loads of updates after this, and has made posts bout the Bermuda triangle in the past. I fed all of it to Claude, updated him on the video and current events, and asked him to blow my mind:



Here is a summary incorporating the new details from the psychic and how they may relate to the videos supposedly showing MH370 disappearing:

- The psychic describes Flight 370 encountering electrical storms and turbulence before things went calm and it slipped into another dimension/timeline. This aligns with the videos showing orbs surrounding the plane right before disappearance.

- The psychic senses ETs/NHIs were involved in guiding the plane. The orb videos seem to visually show this type of intervention and disappearance of the plane.

- The psychic sees the passengers in a confused, dreamlike mental state after the event. This matches documented after-effects of travelers through the Bermuda Triangle vortexes.

- The triangles and portals transporting things to alternate times or realities aligns with the videos showing the plane disappearing in a bright flash, seemingly shifted somewhere.

- The psychic discusses the need for ETs/NHIs to disclose themselves before returning the plane. This fits with the push happening now for disclosure of their existence and involvement.

- The specific electrical, magnetic and energetic conditions needed for the portals described by the psychic lend credibility to the idea something unusual occurred around Flight 370.

- The psychic's long-term consistency mentioning time slips and portals before Flight 370 lends some authenticity and credibility to her visions.

In summary, if the videos can be verified, the psychic's impressions align with and provide context around what is shown - lending some plausibility her visions could be genuine perceptions of actual events. The correlations are compelling if disclosure of NHI involvement proves accurate.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, but give it a read and tell me you aren't feeling like maybe a lot of the woo is actually a really important piece of the puzzle we just aren't seeing.

This is Lost, Midnight Special, and Millennium all rolled into one.

Thanks mountain-jim :highfive: I too found that on Twitter, just now.

Reposting my August contribution here so we've got these posts back-to-back here

[eagle0027]

Think this is attention diversion.
This i think was one of the best most informative targets that Algire and crew disceted.
I have no doubt they know who the jets belonged to and who sanctioned the takedown.

[onawah]

Ashton Forbes: New Evidence in the MH370x Disappearance Mystery
Crypto Alchemist
9.25K subscribers

Streamed live 11/3/23

"Ashton Forbes has been exploding on Twitter and other social media platforms after posting new video evidence of MH370's last moments.

We discuss the details of this controversial new evidence, as well as discuss other details and factors in the case."

https://twitter.com/JustXAshton/media

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[Philippe]

537 MURDERED. 55K TONS OF STOLEN GOLD. THIS IS THE STORY OF MH370 - Boyd Anderson

https://www.bitchute.com/video/e8pakbp995mi/


For those who still wonder about what really happened. Here is the wild story by Boyd Anderson. He wrote a book about it.
From 1:10 he tells about the rotten bodies from MH370 that crashed in ... Ukraine. This has been reported on other lines and makes all theories about MH17 unbelievable.
Better not to dwell too long on this mystery. It will all be revealed years from now when we survive and overcome the assault by the genocidal deep state.

[onawah]

:bump: I forgot to post the video! But it's there now. Quite a lot of evidence presented therein.

Ashton Forbes: New Evidence in the MH370x Disappearance Mystery
Crypto Alchemist
9.25K subscribers

Streamed live 11/3/23

"Ashton Forbes has been exploding on Twitter and other social media platforms after posting new video evidence of MH370's last moments.

We discuss the details of this controversial new evidence, as well as discuss other details and factors in the case."

https://twitter.com/JustXAshton/media

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[jaybee]

.

wow.... two words

mind blown

and now a few more... :)

there is so much in the posts on this page - thanks to all...

putting the Ashton Forbes information with the Lynn White Blog Sessions (https://psychicfocus.blogspot.com/2014/03/malaysia-airline-mh370.html) is an amazing and mind expanding package - I haven't got through all of it yet but I think it fits - it feels right - and I'm thinking that this could be (is) the answer to the disappearance of MH370...

Although Ashton Forbes said... #1743 above...


We know that the 'official' narratives are a lie to cover up that this technology was deployed to either save the plane, or as espionage to prevent the 20 Freescale Semiconductor scientists onboard from going to China. I suspect they are integral to the technology we see.

I'm thinking that he may be dialing down the possible depth of the 'conspiracy' so that Congress will take more notice.... but what I'm suspecting is that it was a teleportation experiment that what set up and recorded without the passengers and crew's knowledge OR there may have been a couple or so on the plane who knew they were taking part in a space/time - interdimensional - experiment....

on the Lynn White Blog she says....


Ok I had some random people come into my mind
1-There was a business man, looks to be in his late 20s, and was traveling wearing a suit. When the plane landed he morphed into a leader. He took off his shirt, and is just wearing a white t-shirt with his dress pants, he found a bandanna and twisted it up and is wearing it as a headband. The distinguishing feature of him is he has a golden chain around his neck with a very unique charm. He never takes it off. (If feels like a gift and a link to someone close to him here) He also has a scar on his cheek- and I want to say it is acne related. He has a lot of survival instincts- as if in his personal life this person practiced or studied how to survive...

2-There is a guy, also in his 20s that he emerged to be "2nd in command".. What I see with him is a tattoo on his arm that looks like an upside down triangle (I felt like it had a Superman quality about it).

now some people do have natural leadership skills, of course, but what if the men mentioned above knew what was coming and were willing participants in an experiment ... the potential adventure of a lifetime -

It really is like the TV series 'Lost'... and that's probably where the material for the series came from..

I'd better stop there and not get too carried away until I've absorbed more of the info... looking forward to watching the Ashton Forbes New Evidence video later.... thanks for that onawah...

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(edit to add.... the drama series 'Lost' {2004 - 2010} was years before MH370 disappeared but if indeed it was teleported to another dimension/time it was almost certainly not the first time something like this was attempted - and an isolated island would be the ideal location to aim for because of the secrecy...)

This is an interesting quote from the Lynn White Blog (3/23/14 ~11.40am}...


The next thing I got is that there are passengers (let’s say it was a time slip and they are 50 years in the past) that adopt the Indian lifestyle and grow up into that culture. If we found them today, they would be older, have children, and those children would hear this story as if it happened in the past. I realize this is a difficult concept, but I feel like if we could communicate to an Indian tribe on one of these islands (Cocos, Christmas or Pulau-Pulau) they could tell us what happened. I get that they even have some of the debris or even the plane poked in a cave.

[jaybee]

.

but before I go and shifting the focus back onto more practical matters.... I find Ashton's evidence for the potential Whistleblower of the videos convincing -

https://twitter.com/JustXAshton/status/1710707813154988247?s=20


**MH370x Breaking Update**

The Evidence that Agent 370 (MH370 videos leaker) is Lieutenant Commander Edward C. Lin

Preface: I searched every person charged with espionage until I came across Edward Lin. He checks every box. Below are excerpts from all the articles I could find on the case online;

Lt. Cmdr. Edward C. Lin, a naval flight officer with experience in signals intelligence (SIGINT) aboard U.S. Navy Lockheed Martin EP-3E Aries II reconnaissance aircraft, is facing several charges, including espionage.

Lin has been held in pre-trial confinement of the service since his arrest on Sept. 11, 2015.

Lin, a Taiwanese-American who has been an U.S. citizen for nearly two decades, remains locked up in the Chesapeake Brig, charged with espionage and attempted espionage, charges that could result in a life sentence.

Lin’s case represents the first major incident of espionage by an active duty member of the U.S. Navy since the end of the Cold War.

A heavily redacted three-page charge sheet released by the Navy states that the officer faces two specifications of espionage and three specifications of attempted espionage. He is accused of communicating secret information “with intent or reason to believe it would be used to the advantage of a foreign nation,”

The accusations suggest that he may have passed on highly sensitive information about how the United States and its surveillance aircraft gather and process signals intelligence.

There's very little evidence of any espionage by Lin and there is growing doubt that the government can prove that Lin was a spy

Lin held a high level of clearance, thanks to his work as a signals-intelligence specialist on some of the Navy's most sensitive intelligence-gathering aircraft, according to the original report from the US Naval Institute. He previously worked as a department head for a Special Projects Patrol Squadron based out of Hawaii, which flew highly specialized signals-intelligence aircraft.

Lin had a security clearance higher than Top Secret and had access to some of the Navy's most sensitive secrets. At the time of his arrest, he was working for an airborne signals exploitation squadron called Special Projects Squadron 2.

Lin knew some of the Navy’s most sensitive secrets from his time not only at VPU-2 but also as a congressional liaison where he would have been privy to the Navy’s black program portfolio, several sources have confirmed to USNI News. If he was inclined, his knowledge could be extremely useful to potential U.S. adversaries, the sources said.

His last duty station before being arrested was with Special Projects Patrol Squadron 2 in Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii, from February 2014 to March 2016.

The arrest also followed several meetings with an undercover FBI agent who operated under the alias, “Katherine Wu.” Over a series of meetings from August to September in 2015, Lin told the agent general details of his secretive unit — Special Projects Patrol Squadron Two ‘Wizards’ (VPU-2). The Wizards, based at Marine Corps Air Station Kaneohe, Hawaii, use specialized signals intelligence aircraft to collect data on potential U.S. adversaries as part of one of the most secretive units in the service.

"While this case didn't turn out to be related to foreign intelligence -- not really a 'spy' case -- the sentence sends a strong message to the force about taking care to safeguard classified and sensitive information," Rob "Butch" Bracknell, a former Marine and military lawyer

What is clear is that last year's sensational headlines were far from accurate. Unnamed government officials told reporters that Lin was suspected of spying for China and Taiwan, despite there being no evidence in the NCIS investigation that Lin ever exchanged sensitive information with anyone from China.

Defense attorneys for Navy Lt. Cmdr. Edward Lin, who is accused of spying for China and Taiwan, challenged the case against him, saying the classified information in question is available on the Internet and the interrogation that led to most of the charges against him was unlawfully conducted.

That the information is available on the Internet does not declassify it, Stephens countered. Declassifying the information would be based on “whether the U.S. government made it public – not whether anyone else made it public,” he said.

He also pleaded guilty to two instances of mishandling classified material. In 2014, Lin had accidentally left two flight manifests in his flight suit from a deployment that included search and rescue code names.

In exchange for admitting to the lesser charges, Lin did not face two instances of espionage and three instances of attempted espionage, which were the most serious charges the government preferred last April.

Lt. Cmdr. Edward Lin, 40, was sentenced to a nine-year sentence with the last three years suspended as part of a pre-trial agreement with the government. Along with a 646-day credit for time served in pre-trial confinement, Lin could be released from the brig in about four years.

“Lt. Cmdr. Eddy Lin never spied on his country. He served faithfully in the United States Navy for over 17 years, becoming a highly regarded and decorated officer,” Lin’s lawyer Larry Youngner told USNI News. “He accepted responsibility for the offenses he was actually guilty of and he agreed to debrief and further assist the FBI and NCIS.”

“I get physically ill when I think about the damage I could have caused from my actions,” Lin said on Friday. “I’m exhausted and broken in spirit. The best thing I can do is serve as a cautionary tale to others.”

Dear Lt. Cmdr. Edward Lin: If you are Agent 370, you are not a traitor.

You are a hero. We salute you.


I wonder if being of Taiwanese decent - although an American Citizen for nearly 20 years.... he thought he was helping the relatives of those aboard by leaking the videos...? That must have been his motive, I think...