Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Flash]

Jst announced by the Chinese television and the airliner


Malaysia Airlines says a flight carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing has gone missing and that the airline is notifying next of kin.

Malaysia's flag carrier said flight MH370 disappeared at 2:40am local time on Saturday (1840 GMT Friday), about two hours after leaving Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

It had been due to arrive in Beijing at 6:30am local time on Saturday (2230 GMT Friday).

The plane was a Boeing 777-200. The airline's Kuala Lumpur-Beijing route passes roughly over the Indochinese peninsula.

The flight was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, from 13 different nationalities, and 12 crew members.

China's state television said 158 of the passengers were Chinese.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-contact-lost-with-plane-2014380297203817.html

[Synchronicity]

Strange. What is the terrain they would have flown over like? Just wondering what obstacles to finding them will be :(

[pumashared]

wonder if this has anything to do with that north korean missle

[yuhui]

Strange. What is the terrain they would have flown over like? Just wondering what obstacles to finding them will be :(

According to Flightradar24.com, Flight #MH370 disappeared from Flightradar24 at 17.19UTC time between Malaysia and Vietnam


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[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

That is horrible news :( Thank you though for posting, it's big news too actually!!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/07/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-plane-carrying-23-people/

Malaysia Airlines loses contact with plane carrying 239 people
Published March 07, 2014FoxNews.com

I cant get it to load on my PC but:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html

Boeing 777 carrying 239 people vanishes over Vietnam 'after abruptly plunging 200ft' two hours after take-off amid fears of crash
By ASSOCIATED PRESS and RICHARD SHEARS

PUBLISHED: 19:56 EST, 7 March 2014 | UPDATED: 21:37 EST, 7 March 2014

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/07/malaysia-airlines-beijing-flight-missing/6187779/

BEIJING - A Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is missing and all 239 people on board are feared dead.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/08/article-2576087-1C1E661600000578-870_634x414.jpg

[Elainie]

http://news.yahoo.com/turbulence-in-flight--reasons-to-worry--and-not-to-worry-165623271.html

[Sidney]

It seems strange they did not mention if they are sending search planes to see if there is wreckage anywhere. What is their plan? Did the plane disappear over water, mountains? I mean, normally jets don't just disappear into thin air. emphasis on "normally". :)

[Elainie]

Latest news is that the aircraft's signal has been located near Vietnam's Ca Mau province.


HANOI, March 8 (Xinhua) -- A Vietnamese official of search and rescue said Saturday that the signal of the missing Malaysia Airlines plane has been detected, local media reported.

The official told local VNExpress that the signal of the plane with 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board has been detected at some 120 nautical miles southwest of Vietnam's southernmost Ca Mau province.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2014-03/08/c_133170609.htm



Reports seem to be conflicted though- some say signal has been located:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/national_world&id=9458786

While other reports deny this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/08/malaysia-airlines-missing-vietnam-idUSL3N0M505Z20140308

[seeker/reader]

a 777 goes missing on 03/07, any numerology involved? Its 03/07 in the western hemisphere. What was the local time the plane went missing? Okay, now I see it was 03/07 GMT when the plane went missing and it was flight 370......


Okay, so flight 370 which happens to be a 777 goes missing on 03/07.....


777 is 3 7's, 3x7=21, 2+1=3


HMMMMMMM.........could it be a conspiracy?

[Elainie]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/08/malaysian-airlines-plane-live


Here is the report via Yahoo Singapore referring to the Vietnamese navy’s claim that its military radar recorded the plane crashing into the sea. Stressing again that this is an unconfirmed report and the airline has not commented on it. Associated Press is also reporting named Vietnamese officals pinpointing more exactly where the last signal from the plane came from:

“Pham Hien, a Vietnamese search and rescue official, said that the signal was detected 120 nautical miles southwest of Vietnam’s southernmost Ca Mau province. Lai Xuan Thanh, director of Vietnam’s civil aviation authority, said that the plane was over the sea and bound for Vietnamese airspace but air traffic officials in the country were never able to make contact.”

[Atlas]

Mohan Ranganathan, an aviation safety consultant who serves on India’s Civil Aviation Safety Advisory Committee:


The online flight data suggested the plane had experienced a very rapid loss of height and change in the direction it was heading

From: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/08/malaysia-airlines-experts-surprised-at-disappearance-of-very-safe-boeing-777?CMP=soc_568

Malaysia Airlines did have an incident in August 2005 with a 777 flying from Perth to Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. While flying 11,580 metres above the Indian Ocean, the plane’s software incorrectly measured speed and acceleration, causing the plane to suddenly shoot up 915 metres. The pilot disengaged the autopilot and descended and landed safely back in Perth. A software update was quickly made on planes around the world.

[sigma6]

Computer controlled planes are a recipe for espionage, remote-control and sabotage...
And in a world of insurance and debt obligations, crashing a 777 can be as lucrative as the sinking of the Titanic, which was really the Olympia
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ especially if you can tie it in with some international crime syndicate with an agenda...
or important people that need to offed... just saying there is a calculus in a world of commerce,
where human life has a price.

Of course who would want to live in world where human life has a price?... (uhhh, multi-millionaires and billionaires)

[Atlas]

Lt. Gen. Roy Deveratruda, commander of the Western Command (Westcom), said the BRP Del Pilar (PF 15), BRP Jacinto (PS 35), and BRP Mabini (PS 36) along with a surveillance plane have been dispatched for search operations in the WPS, including the sea lanes of Palawan.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/82251/phl-military-sends-search-planes-boats-to-help-locate-missing-malaysian-plane

Malaysian authorities dispatched a plane, two helicopters and four vessels to search seas off its east coast in the South China Sea, said Faridah Shuib, a spokeswoman for the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/82241/vietnam-chinese-state-media-say-malaysian-jet-crashed-off-vietnams-coast---reports

KUALA LUMPUR - (UPDATE4 2:40PM) The missing Malaysian Airlines jet with 239 people onboard that went missing on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing has crashed off the coast of Vietnam, according to various international media reports thaht quoted the Vietnamese military.

The Vietnamese navy officer supposedly quoted as saying the plane had crashed has clarified his reported statement, Reuters reports. Admiral Ngo Van Phat told Reuters the plane “could have” crashed in Malaysian waters, 153 miles off the coast of Vietnam’s Tho Chu island, based on its speed and last known location. He denied saying he knew it had crashed.

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China's state television said 158 of the passengers were Chinese. Some 160 Chinese had been due to be on the flight but two missed it, according to Xinhua, quoting China's Civil Aviation Administration. Seven Australians also were aboard, three French nationals, four from the United States including one infant, 38 Malaysians, and 12 Indonesians.

-update-

The Malaysian Airlines plane was carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew members, the airline said. It said there were 153 passengers from China, 38 from Malaysia, seven each from Indonesia and Australia, five from India, four from the U.S. and others from Indonesia, France, New Zealand, Canada, Ukraine, Russia, Italy, Taiwan, the Netherlands and Austria.

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The plane "lost all contact and radar signal one minute before it entered Vietnam's air traffic control," Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of the Vietnamese army, said in a statement issued by the government.

The tip of the wing of the same Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777-200 broke off Aug. 9, 2012, as it was taxiing at Pudong International Airport outside Shanghai. The wingtip collided with the tail of a China Eastern Airlines A340 plane. No one was injured.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/03/239_people_malaysia.html

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07:33 GMT - China ships - China's State Oceanic Administration says it has ordered maritime patrol vessels conducting missions nearby to head to the area to join rescue efforts.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jvhDdV-q_h5fF33X04HrzOjGXjZA?docId=d0db577e-b093-4078-bee9-1fd20d41ce22

BEIJING, March 8 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang on Saturday urged emergency measures over the missing Malaysian flight bound for Beijing with more than 150 Chinese nationals on board.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-03/08/c_133170987.htm

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(auto translation: ) the Naval Command (H.Phu Korea, Kien Giang) said the Navy has identified the position of the aircraft Malaysia Airlines falls, the property is Tho Chu Island, H.Phu Korea (Kien Giang) about 153 nautical miles (300 km).

http://vn.news.yahoo.com/v%E1%BB%A5-r%C6%A1i-m%C3%A1y-bay-malaysia-m%C3%A1y-bay-qu%C3%A2n-080539554.html

[Becky]

I've got an unusual possible explanation - something I've just read in 'The Convoluted Universe' book 1 by Dolores Cannon. She talks about how there are many many universes (new ones are created all the time) and some are so similar to this one that they sometimes overlap/connect. When this happens objects can occasionally go from one universe into another....actually it may not have gone into the next one but just 'de-materialized' at the connection between the two. Apparently according to information in Dolores book, we can sometimes traverse from one universe to another and back into ours without even noticing - just by walking down a street.

Something very odd happened to my daughter and me last weekend. We were driving into Cabot circus car park in Bristol, UK, and an ambulance was in a hurry to get past us to get to something. As we circled up the levels of the car park we saw a potentially horrific scene...a group of people behind a row of cars all peering down to the ground, and a massive pool of blood seeping from under one of the parked cars and into the driving space close to us -both of us panicked and felt shock and horror, but we drove on up to the next level, parked our car and then we couldn't help but see what had happened. Less than 5 minutes later when we walked down to the next level there was NOTHING - no sign of anything having happened - no ambulance, no blood, no people...and we checked on other levels too just in-case we got the wrong level. It was very very odd. So odd we just couldn't explain what we had seen. When I read just a couple of days later in the Dolores Cannon book about similar situations i do wonder whether we had for a few minutes slipped from one universe into another very similar one overlapping ours. My daughter and I just cannot explain what we saw...it literally doesn't make sense. It is funny how we were able to rationalize it at the time and say that we must have made it up or had a shared 'experience'. Anyway, sorry if this is an odd explanation or verging off topic, but Dolores Cannon connected the disappearance of planes to traveling from one Universe to another one ...it had happened more often around the Bermuda triangle.

[Atlas]

John Sudworth reports from Beijing International Airport:

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Update from Malaysian Airlines (http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html):

Subang ATC had lost contact with the aircraft at 2.40am. The last known position of MH370 before it disappeared off the radar was 065515 North (longitude) and 1033443 East (latitude). [...] So far, we have not received any emergency signals or distress messages from MH370.

[...] The passenger manifest will not be released until all families of the passengers have been informed. The flight was carrying a total number of 239 passengers and crew – comprising 227 passengers (including 2 infants) and 12 crew members.

[...] The passengers are of 14 different nationalities. All crew on-board are Malaysians. Please take note that the earlier statement did not include the number of Indian nationals. This was due to confusion between the country code of Indonesia and India.

The below table shows the latest number of passengers and their nationalities:


China/Taiwan: 154 including infant
Malaysia: 38
India: 5
Indonesia: 7
Australia: 6
France: 4
USA: 3 including infant
New Zealand: 2
Ukraine: 2
Canada: 2
Russian: 1
Italy: 1
Netherlands: 1
Austrian: 1


The public may contact +603 7884 1234.
For media queries, kindly contact +603 8777 5698/ +603 8787 1276.

[superconsciousness]

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http://wonksmedia.com/mh370.pdf

[Atlas]

Territorial dispute zone ?

http://midfield.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/sea-territorial-disputes.jpg (http://endyonisius.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/konflik-laut-china-selatan.html)

[Tesseract]

It has been confirmed that at least two passengers on the doomed flight were using stolen passports:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-live-3219331#.UxsgENI6mPV.twitter

[syrwong]

From Mirror:

But speculation about a possible terror attack has increased in the past few hours in light of the revelation that two of the passengers were travelling of stolen passport.

Last week 33 people were stabbed to death and 130 injured after a terror attack at a railway station in north-western China.

The government blamed separatists for the slaughter.

All these, together with Ukraine, have to be viewed in a broader perspective. It appears that terrorist attacks are being administered to Russia and China for the purpose of destablizing the countries before military attack. This tactics has certainly been used in Syria or Libya and elsewhere.

[Flash]

From Mirror:

But speculation about a possible terror attack has increased in the past few hours in light of the revelation that two of the passengers were travelling of stolen passport.

Last week 33 people were stabbed to death and 130 injured after a terror attack at a railway station in north-western China.

The government blamed separatists for the slaughter.

All these, together with Ukraine, have to be viewed in a broader perspective. It appears that terrorist attacks are being administered to Russia and China for the purpose of destablizing the countries before military attack. This tactics has certainly been used in Syria or Libya and elsewhere.

It would make sense in a tactical point of view, but not in a global point of view. The west would never got out of a war with Russia and China, but the planet would be destroyed. Hopefully this is not the case, hopefully this is a local terrorist threat, nothing else.

[ghostrider]

I wonder if the so called inventor of the Bitcoin was on the flight or one of his family members ??? love to see the manifest , who is who and why they were on that flight ...

[Roisin]

Do they know if the plane blew up yet via a bomb? Has anyone seen any news articles on that yet?

I have a really ominous feeling about this one. It sounds like other here share those same sentiments too.

The problem is though that airlines will do everything in their power to prevent information on what really happened in cases like this so as not to lose any business.
Am I right about that?

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Oh, ok... someone else here posted about it being a possible terrorist attack:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-missing-passports/

[Roisin]

I was just looking at the passenger list and their nationalities and even though there were 2 on that flight with stolen passports, there were also 2 Ukrainians. Considering most of the passengers were Chinese with a very small representation of people from affluent major G8 country's that we find on most international flights, I'm surprised that no one has focused on those 2 Ukrainians especially in light of what's been going on there over the past few weeks.

Perhaps they were pro-Russian Ukrainians or more specifically, pro-Russian Crimean instead who were planted on that flight to blow it up or hijack it to turn the world against Ukraine so Putin would have an easier time annexing Crimea to Russia.

To me it seems like it's more than just a coincidence that 2 Ukrainians were on a Malaysian flight like that especially when the last attempted hijacking of a major airliner occurred on the first day of the Sochi Olympics where that hijacker was also Ukrainian.

Here's a list of the nationalities of those on that flight. But since this list came out, it was then established that the Italian and the Austrian were people with stolen passports.

Flight manifest: Nationality of passengers

China/Taiwan: 153 including infant.
Malaysia: 38.
India: 5
Indonesia: 7.
Australia: 6.
France: 4.
United States: 3 including infant.
New Zealand: 2.
Ukraine: 2.
Canada: 2.
Russian :1.
Italy: 1.
Netherlands: 1.
Austrian: 1

Source: Malaysia Airlines statement

Two Ukrainians on a flight like that in that part of the world is as odd as it would be to find two Guatemalans on it instead. The Ukrainians don't fit the roster profile on a manifest for a flight in that part of the world.

[Sidney]

I was just looking at the passenger list and their nationalities and even though there were 2 on that flight with stolen passports, there were also 2 Ukrainians. Considering most of the passengers were Chinese with a very small representation of people from affluent major G8 country's that we find on most international flights, I'm surprised that no one has focused on those 2 Ukrainians especially in light of what's been going on there over the past few weeks.

Perhaps they were pro-Russian Ukrainians or more specifically, pro-Russian Crimean instead who were planted on that flight to blow it up or hijack it to turn the world against Ukraine so Putin would have an easier time annexing Crimea to Russia.

To me it seems like it's more than just a coincidence that 2 Ukrainians were on a Malaysian flight like that especially when the last attempted hijacking of a major airliner occurred on the first day of the Sochi Olympics where that hijacker was also Ukrainian.

Here's a list of the nationalities of those on that flight. But since this list came out, it was then established that the Italian and the Austrian were people with stolen passports.

Flight manifest: Nationality of passengers

China/Taiwan: 153 including infant.
Malaysia: 38.
India: 5
Indonesia: 7.
Australia: 6.
France: 4.
United States: 3 including infant.
New Zealand: 2.
Ukraine: 2.
Canada: 2.
Russian :1.
Italy: 1.
Netherlands: 1.
Austrian: 1

Source: Malaysia Airlines statement

Two Ukrainians on a flight like that in that part of the world is as odd as it would be to find two Guatemalans on it instead. The Ukrainians don't fit the roster profile on a manifest for a flight in that part of the world.

2 Ukranians and 1 Russian. ??????? Im with you roisin. Something is off about this.

[Roisin]

Right... the Russian too simply because the 2 Ukrainians were on that flight too. It will be interesting to see if any journalists from a major newspaper or magazine researches on this. To me, it automatically raises a red flag.

[superconsciousness]

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/08/malaysia-airlines-plane-vanishes-over-south-china-sea-239-passengers-feared-dead-4473676/

Malaysia Airlines plane crash: Lack of SOS call from missing jet ‘extraordinary’

At least 239 passengers on board a missing Malaysia Airlines plane are feared dead after it disappeared over the South China Sea.

A major search operation was launched after the plane flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing lost communication in Vietnam’s airspace at 1.20am local time.

A leading aviation safety expert has said it is ‘extraordinary’ that the pilots of the jetliner did not make a distress call.

The Boeing B777-200 aircraft would have been cruising at about 35,000 feet when it lost contact over the South China Sea.

It would have given the pilots ‘plenty of time’ to report any technical problems, Flight Global’s operations and safety editor David Learmount said.

======================

EMP attack would knock out SOS call capabilities onboard the jetliner...

[Harley]

Just received this at 5:20 PM:


The FBI is sending agents to Malaysia to support the investigation into the disappearance of Flight 370.

The FBI is getting involved because of the Americans on board, and they are not ruling out terrorism or any other issue as a possible cause in the jetliner's disappearance.

There have been no sightings of wreckage or other signs of the aircraft. We have not been able to locate anything or see anything. There's nothing new to this report.


Previous to the above (3:45 PM) I had received this:


Twenty of the passengers aboard Flight 370 worked with Freescale Semiconductor, which is based in Austin, Texas. 12 of the employees are from Malaysia and eight are from China.


I don't know if these two reports are related in any way.

[superconsciousness]

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Flight%20MH%20370%20Passenger%20Manifest.pdf

[Carmody]

Just received this at 5:20 PM:


The FBI is sending agents to Malaysia to support the investigation into the disappearance of Flight 370.

The FBI is getting involved because of the Americans on board, and they are not ruling out terrorism or any other issue as a possible cause in the jetliner's disappearance.

There have been no sightings of wreckage or other signs of the aircraft. We have not been able to locate anything or see anything. There's nothing new to this report.


Previous to the above (3:45 PM) I had received this:


Twenty of the passengers aboard Flight 370 worked with Freescale Semiconductor, which is based in Austin, Texas. 12 of the employees are from Malaysia and eight are from China.


I don't know if these two reports are related in any way.


In 2011, the company launched the industry’s first multimode wireless base station processor family that scales from small to large cells – integrating DSP and communications processor technologies to realize a true "base station-on-chip".[12] In addition, a recent ABI Research market study report states that Freescale owns 60% share of the Radio Frequency (RF) semiconductor device market.

Also in 2011, Freescale announced the company's first magnetometer for location tracking in smart mobile devices.

and,


Motorola announced that their semiconductor division would be divested on October 6, 2003 to create Freescale. Freescale completed its IPO on July 16, 2004.

On September 15, 2006, Freescale agreed to a $17.6 billion buyout by a consortium led by Blackstone Group and its co-investors, Carlyle Group, TPG Capital, and Permira.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freescale_Semiconductor

Black ops makes for strange bedfellows. Kinda. The story for the longest time, was that Motorola was owned by 'organized crime'. Which is why, of course, the world's largest similar organization, ie their partner, 'the law', would use Motorola products. then of course, skull&bones, Dulles brothers, project paperclip, the union banking corporation, the Bush-Carlyle connection, CIA, and so on.

Smells like some sort of a 'hit' to me.

Direct (backdoor but very real) CIA connection to owning the company that designs the complex computer/RF chips that are in your wireless devices?

That's what it reads, to me.....

[Roisin]

Two more Europeans with suspect identities onboard missing MH370

http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/two-more-europeans-with-suspect-identities-onboard-missing-mh370

"Authorities have yet to confirm the identities of two more European passengers on flight MH370, adding to two others using stolen passports in the Malaysia Airlines plane which vanished over the Malaysia-Vietnam maritime border yesterday. The Malaysian Insider understands that all four had bought their flight tickets from China Southern...

Authorities have yet to confirm the identities of two more European passengers on flight MH370, adding to two others using stolen passports in the Malaysia Airlines plane which vanished over the Malaysia-Vietnam maritime border yesterday.

"The background checks with the embassies are being done but these two cannot be confirmed," a source told The Malaysian Insider, adding that both were from the same country."

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So are they the 2 Ukrainians?

[Carmody]

And the partner Blackstone, reads like a who's who and what 's what of the rolling breaking disaster capitalism that has become America today.

Here's one that points to the direction it is coming from and going to. Remember this mess is precipitated on a housing disaster that was purposely created. That we have a derivatives mess that cannot exist, a bubble of bull**** created by people driven by god-knows-what, for who knows what.

The second chapter of the derivatives bubble is to feast on the bones, repackage and make MORE bull**** derivatives.... as the world finance corpse that they created 'looks like it moved a bit', so they hit it again, with the same trick.

And we find Blackstone in this:


After subprime mortgage crisis, Blackstone Group LP has bought more than $5.5 billion single-family homes for rent and then sell when the prices rise.[18]

Neck deep in the same mire and crap.

You can't even talk about the connections that are in this downed flight without touching (all over) the darker parts of what is responsible for this current world political and finance situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blackstone_Group

[SilentFeathers]

This is starting to grab my attention, it seems they would of found debris by now if it crashed....and if it was highjacked, it seems it still couldn't of flew too far without being noticed by some intelligence orgs and or some radar/satellite systems. Plus a 777 needs a pretty large runway to land.

If they don't find a debris field within the next 24hrs, I'll really be surprised.

[Tesseract]

It turns out those stolen passports were on the interpol database - and yet the carriers were still allowed to get through security.

Another thought I had - why don't they ever use satellites for these kind of searches, or to track the planes?

[Atlas]

"We received information from a Vietnamese plane saying that they found two broken objects, which seem like those of an aircraft, located about 50 miles (80 kilometres) to the south-west of Tho Chu Island," said an official from Vietnam's National Committee for Search and Rescue, who did not want to be named.

Vietnamese authorities searching waters for a missing Boeing 777 airliner have spotted an object that they suspect is one of the plane's doors:

http://www.thanhnien.com.vn/Pictures201403/Vu_Bang/anhTN.jpg

http://bizlive.vn/uploaded/huyenphuong/2014_03_09/khu%20vuc%20tim_rpxd.jpg

[Tesseract]

There is a video online showing an animation of the flight radar record for flight MH307, the maker of the video - dahboo77 - highlights a nearby object that seems to change direction and fly at a high speed:

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I went to flighradar24 myself and replayed KUL (that's the airport flight 307 departed from) data from around that time. I saw that the record in dahboo77's video is correct, there is shown a fast moving plane. I hovered the cursor over the little plane icon to identify the mystery flight. The flight in question is KE672/KAL672, Korean Airlines, Kuala Lumpur to Seoul.

This link might not work, but if it does it will take you straight to the radar animation showing all flights in the air at UTC 16:50.

http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-03-07/16:50/12x/5.58,104.05/7


The website doesn't run very smoothly for me, but I was able to get a flight path that makes very little sense, however I have analysed it and summarised that in the image below. The KAL672 plane apparently reverses course twice, then flies faster than it should be able to, before slowing down to normal speed, disappearing moments before flight 307 disappears, then reappears moments after, on its correct heading. Some of the details change a little bit if you reload the page and play it again, so this is just approximate.


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The flight path of KAL672, if you click the plane icon again after its played through till at least 17:47, shows up in the correct form, shown below. I suspect the above path is an artefact of bad data or bad software.

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I also show the map of the wreckage site, very approximate, from Buares location, and the last radar image of the fligh 307 from flightdata24.

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[Sidney]

Just received this at 5:20 PM:


The FBI is sending agents to Malaysia to support the investigation into the disappearance of Flight 370.

The FBI is getting involved because of the Americans on board, and they are not ruling out terrorism or any other issue as a possible cause in the jetliner's disappearance.

There have been no sightings of wreckage or other signs of the aircraft. We have not been able to locate anything or see anything. There's nothing new to this report.


Previous to the above (3:45 PM) I had received this:


Twenty of the passengers aboard Flight 370 worked with Freescale Semiconductor, which is based in Austin, Texas. 12 of the employees are from Malaysia and eight are from China.


I don't know if these two reports are related in any way.

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post edit Sorry Carmody, I see you beat me to this. I slipped by your post the first time around.

Freescale Semiconductor

http://www.freescale.com/

link to a few other related articles
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing/index.html

THIS
got my spidy senses tingling. Might be nothing, or it might be something. Click on it to make larger.
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link to that page for further possible dot connecting. This could very well have absolutely nothing to do with this crash. But as the smart meter subject matter is controversial, and that so many victims of this plane crash were Freescale employees, it needs to be looked at in my opinion. Freescale also does many other things besides smart meters. Although, the smart meter obviously has been quite lucrative.
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?code=APL_ENERGY_EFF

post edit Sorry Carmody, I see you beat me to this. I slipped by your post the first time around.

[Atlas]

SEPANG: A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control.

The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft:


"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.

"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.

"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection,"

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-pilot-i-established-contact-with-plane-1.503464

[syrwong]

SEPANG: A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control.

The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft:


"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.

"The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

"There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end.

"That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection,"

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-pilot-i-established-contact-with-plane-1.503464

Sad, very sad. So mystifying and the truth could be frightening. Base on this thread alone, I rule out natural causes.

[Elainie]

http://rt.com/news/malaysia-plane-missing-crash-766/


"Adding more mystery to the story, the family of one of the passengers aboard the missing plane successfully rang the person's cell phone, but nobody answered, Mirror Online reported.

The relatives asked Malaysia Airlines to use satellite technologies and intercept the phone signal before its battery is run down."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-live-3219331

"
This picture reveals the possible debris which investigators are searching for in the South China Sea.

According to the South China Morning Post, it was taken by a passenger on board another flight landing in Kuala Lumpur.

He spotted the yellow dots in the sea as the plane started its descent and posted them online.

[Sidney]

The FBI also now suspects there were four stolen passports used and not two.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fbi-fears-four-passengers-malaysian-3224401

[Agape]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/09/wsj-suspicious-floating-object-spotted-off-vietnams-tho-chu-island/

They say the 'floating object' at the Tho Chu Island is not debris from the plane ( Update )

It seems to me ... but that's going to be purely on my assessment now .. they lost orientation at night, for some reason, whether the crew was hijacked or not and took it eastwards ..some parts of the China Sea are very deep ,
they may be found somewhere completely off the track.

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/map/google_map_malaysia.htm

I'm really surprised where are all the guys with the satellites providing actual time information .


:angel:

[Harley]

Something to take note of:

This airframe suffered substantial damage on 09 Aug 2012
when it lost the tip of a wing after colliding with a China
Eastern Airlines A340 plane during Taxi operations.

From the AviationSafetyNetwork (http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=147571)
(Click on image to enlarge)
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Narrative:


A taxiing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 passenger plane (9M-MRO), flight MH389, contacted the tail of a China Eastern Airlines A340 plane, B-6050, waiting on the taxiway at Pudong International Airport. No one was injured.

The tip of the wing of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was broken off and hung on the tail of the China Eastern Airbus 340-600, according to pictures posted by passengers on the Internet.

The very same plane crashed on 08MAR2014 02:40 a.m. LT in the Gulf of Thailand.

[Sidney]

Something to take note of:

This airframe suffered substantial damage on 09 Aug 2012
when it lost the tip of a wing after colliding with a China
Eastern Airlines A340 plane during Taxi operations.

From the AviationSafetyNetwork (http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=147571)
(Click on image to enlarge)
25158

Narrative:


A taxiing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 passenger plane (9M-MRO), flight MH389, contacted the tail of a China Eastern Airlines A340 plane, B-6050, waiting on the taxiway at Pudong International Airport. No one was injured.

The tip of the wing of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was broken off and hung on the tail of the China Eastern Airbus 340-600, according to pictures posted by passengers on the Internet.

The very same plane crashed on 08MAR2014 02:40 a.m. LT in the Gulf of Thailand.

So that is THE same plane, not just one like it????? Just to be clear.

[Atlas]

According to The Aviation Herald's radar data the aircraft was last regularly seen at 17:22Z (01:22L) at position N6.9 E103.6 about half way between Kuala Lumpur and Ho Chi Minh City (Vietnam) at FL350 over the Gulf of Thailand about 260nm northnortheast of Kuala Lumpur and 90nm northeast of Kota Bharu 40 minutes into the flight, followed by anomalies in the radar data of the aircraft over the next minute (the anomalies may be related to the aircraft but could also be caused by the aircraft leaving the range of the receiver).

Aviation sources in China report that radar data suggest a steep and sudden descent of the aircraft, during which the track of the aircraft changed from 024 degrees to 333 degrees. The aircraft was estimated to contact Ho Chi Minh Control Center (Vietnam) at 01:20L, but contact was never established.

http://www.aeroinside.com/item/3790/malaysia-b772-over-gulf-of-thailand-on-mar-8th-2014-aircraft-missing

[Atlas]

According to the states run Chinese news agency Xinhua Chinese police established that one of the Chinese passengers listed on the manifest never left China, is still at home and in possession of his passport, therefore was not on the accident flight. The passenger's passport had not been lost or stolen, the numbers on his passport and the passport number noted on the manifest are identical however.

China Southern Airlines, code share partner of Malaysia Airlines, reported that they sold a total of 7 tickets for the accident flight, amongst them the tickets for the Italian and the Austrian as well as one Dutch, one Malaysian, two Ukrainians and one Chinese.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/malaysia_b772_9m-mro_gulf_of_thailand_140308_map.jpg

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

[Harley]

So that is THE same plane, not just one like it????? Just to be clear.

Same plane.

Easily verified by doing a search on Registration: 9M-MRO (from above).

I see one article by FlightGobal.com with the headline: Missing MAS 777-200 had no major prior incidents which was just published yesterday 08Mar14.

You gotta be careful where you're getting your info from! LOL

From the Aviation Safety Network's 'About' page:


Mission Statement
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The ASN Safety Database contains detailed descriptions of over 10,700 incidents, hijackings and accidents.

Sources
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Sources used as a basis for the accident database are aircraft production lists, ICAO Aircraft Accident Digests since 1952, and NTSB, TSB etc.

[KiwiElf]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/21898165/vietnam-says-it-may-have-found-missing-jets-door/

The wingtip incident was fairly minor and unlikely it would cause the loss of an aircraft should it break off again. Latest (conflicting reports) now indicate wreckage may have been found including a "passenger door" (photo at link). In my opinion this looks more like an emergency escape hatch as it's basically "square", not a rectangular main door. The MSM have also corrected the 2-hr duration to just over 1-hour into the flight (which makes a lot more sense given the location of the oil slick).

As I've iterated in past posts (unrelated), the MSM are notorious for wild speculation and innacuracies when it comes to reporting aviation incidents. ;)

[Roisin]

That there is even the possibility that an airliner can disintegrate into nothingness in mid-air certainly will cause me some real discomfort on my next flight out of town. lol

[KiwiElf]

Second that Roisin! - Very disturbing and many anomalies with this one! (and I won't be boarding any commercial flight any time soon ;))

[SilentFeathers]

It didn't disintergrate, it evaporated.....

This is really getting a bit weird, a 777 just doesn't "evaporate".....

[Sidney]

yahoo news article, regarding "plane may have disintegrated". Are we really suppose to buy this? I agree silentfeathers, stranger by the day.
http://news.yahoo.com/missing-malaysian-jet-may-disintegrated-mid-air-source-002831393--sector.html

[mosquito]

Unfortunately everything is pure speculation until the wreckage is discovered. And despite what some people think, that is far from easy. The Air France flight which "disappeared" after leaving Rio a few years back was only discovered after 2 days. Oceans are big and deep, and though the point at which contact was lost is obviously a good starting place for the search, it's by no means certain it will be found exactly there. Commercial flights are in constant communication with the ground, so when it's said the aircraft "disappeared", they don't mean literally, they mean that contact was lost; suddenly and inexplicably. That suggests a catastrophic failure. Yes, it could be that the plane disintegrated for no apparent reason, but it would be the first time in aviation history ! We won't know until the wreckage is found (if ever) and the evidence examined.

Stolen passports do not necessarily equate to "terrorists" (another convenient scapegoat), a far more plausible explanation would be ... Mossad or any other "intelligence" agency.

What troubles me slightly is that "pilot error" has become an easy and convenient verdict. The Air France flight and the Korean flight last year were actually more a case of computer error, to which the pilots were unable to respond in the time available for the simple reason they'd been told that the avionics were infallable.

I'm a little puzzled about how it is that a plane could crash into a very busy shipping lane without being noticed.

[KiwiElf]

And it gets stranger...

Family phoned passengers on missing Malaysia Airlines flight
Yahoo!7 and AFP March 10, 2014, 4:24 pm

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/21903917/family-phoned-passengers-on-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight/

Family members of passengers on missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 said they have been able to ring mobile phones, and are begging officials to track the signals before the batteries run out.

One Chinese family said they had been able to successfully call the mobile phone of a passenger on the flight, Singapore's The Sunday Times reported.

On a Beijing Television news bulletin, a man is shown dialing his older brother, with the call connecting but nobody picking up.

The man, who spoked to reporters at a Malaysia Airlines briefing in Beijing, said he had been able to make three calls to the phone, but no one had picked up.

Thai police said Sunday they were investigating a "passport ring" as details emerged of bookings made in Thailand with stolen European passports for the vanished Malaysia Airlines flight.

Two European names -- Christian Kozel, an Austrian, and Luigi Maraldi of Italy -- were listed on the passenger manifest of the flight MH370, but neither man boarded the plane, officials said.

Both had their passports stolen in Thailand over the past two years.

Malaysia has launched a terror probe investigating the suspect passengers and the United States has sent in the FBI to assist.

Flight information seen by AFP shows that tickets were booked in Maraldi and Kozel's names on March 6, 2014, and issued in the Thai city of Pattaya, a popular beach resort south of the capital Bangkok.

The e-ticket numbers for their flights are consecutive and both were paid for in Thai baht Each ticket cost THB 20,215 (US$625).

Kozel was booked to travel from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777, then on to Amsterdam and Frankfurt while Maraldi was booked on the same flights until Amsterdam, where he was to continue to Copenhagen.

Interpol confirmed that "at least two passports" recorded in its Stolen and Lost Travel Documents (SLTD) database were used by passengers on board the flight, which was carrying 239 people.

"The Austrian and Italian passports were added to Interpol?s SLTD database after their theft in Thailand in 2012 and 2013 respectively," it said in a statement. "Interpol is also conducting checks on all other passports used to board flight MH370 which may have been reported stolen."

A senior Thai police official told AFP that authorities were probing a passport racket on the resort island of Phuket, where Maraldi's passport was stolen.

"A police team combined with local police and immigration are working to track down a passport ring," southern police commander Panya Mamen said.

A district official in Phuket said that Maraldi had presented himself to police there on Sunday.

"An Italian tourist, Luigi Maraldi, has met (the) southern police commander today in Phuket to say he was not on the plane and his passport had been stolen since last year," district police lieutenant colonel Akanit Danpitaksart told AFP.

He said they had no information on Kozel's passport but Austrian foreign ministry spokesman, Martin Weiss, said Sunday that it had been stolen on a flight from Phuket to Bangkok.

- 'Too soon to speculate' -

The Interpol statement said no checks of the stolen Austrian and Italian passports were made by any country between the time they were entered into Interpol's database and the departure of the flight.

"Whilst it is too soon to speculate about any connection between these stolen passports and the missing plane, it is clearly of great concern that any passenger was able to board an international flight using a stolen passport listed in Interpol's databases," said secretary general Ronald Noble.

"This is a situation we had hoped never to see," he added. "For years Interpol has asked why should countries wait for a tragedy to put prudent security measures in place at borders and boarding gates."

Last year, passengers were able to board planes more than a billion times without having their passports screened against Interpol's databases. The SLTD database, created after the 9/11 attacks in the United States in 2001, now has more than 40 million entries.

[Elainie]

Anyone think it was some sort of advanced missile/particle beam weapon that caused the plane to vanish? Maybe the captain saw it coming and attempted to veer away from it as reported (plane attempting to turn around/veer off course).


"Six important facts you're not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370"

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#ixzz2vXldnQE2
http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html

[Atlas]

One of the two suspects who used stolen passports to board the missing MH370 flight has been identified.

"I can confirm that he is not a Malaysian, but cannot divulge which country he is from yet," said Inspector General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar.

http://img.infonet.vn/t660/Uploaded/trongan/2014_03_09/Tienphong.jpg

[Slorri]

It is reported now that they have radar tracking of Flight 370 further north and east of Vietnam.

Busted! Flight Radar Caught Changing Flight Path of Malaysia Flight 370!
hNZtz-HVy6c

[Agape]

Well, you know how this 'flight radar' map works if you're flying frequently . Somewhat like the Sat-Nav GPS system in your car .
It corrects itself automatically after it receives feedback - signal from the aircraft , every 5 minutes or so ..it should, sometimes it loses the signal and corrects itself later.

If it receives no updates it shows plane flying in presumably constant speed and altitude till its next update .
It's prone to errors and not well equipped for detecting anomalies, and further you're from the land , or in turbulence , the signal tends to fluctuate and the transmission is delayed .

So this shows only very approximate position and situation of the aircraft .


If - for example - the plane was hijacked - and the terrorists ordered them to shut positioning systems and radio communication and change the course .. they'd be able to do that .. for a good while .. depending on the area where they fly through,
they obviously avoided entering either Vietnamese or Chinese air space .

:grouphug:

[syrwong]

Anyone think it was some sort of advanced missile/particle beam weapon that caused the plane to vanish? Maybe the captain saw it coming and attempted to veer away from it as reported (plane attempting to turn around/veer off course).


"Six important facts you're not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370"

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#ixzz2vXldnQE2
http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html

I suspect there is a high level conspiracy in this case. The black box and the radar signals should have made locating the plane an easy job. The sea is only 50 meters deep. It may be easy to prove a conspiracy, but extremely hard to reconstruct the conspiracy. We all know that 911 is a conspiracy, that flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. It lifted off, but what happened to it, and the passengers? We all know that cell phone calls could not have been made from the plane too.

What is disturbing in this case is rather similar. The plane lifted off and vanished. Surely there should be more than just oil slick and a piece of metal? These remind me of the rotor engine on the lawn of the Pentagon, just to replace the whole plane. We all know a cell phone call by a relative of a passenger could never have reached the plane, yet it rang except that no one received the call.

This post can be disregarded if the plane is ever found on seabed. I am just making a wild guess assuming it is never founded.

[Atlas]

Surely there should be more than just oil slick and a piece of metal?

Lab analysis reveal that the oil slick spotted in the ocean comes not from MH370, but from ship bunkering activities.

Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) Eastern Region chief First Admiral Datuk Nasir Adam said: "The result of the analysis is negative, the samples are not from MH370.

"The samples are actually from a ship," he told the media today at the MMEA headquarters in Pasir Puteh, Kelantan.

In the report released at 5pm, the director-general of the Chemistry Department, Ahmad Ridzuan Ibrahim, said the sample was put through three tests.

The first test was to establish if it contained "mineral oil", followed by a test to determine if the sample from the oil slick contained "light oil" or "heavy oil". The final stage, the profiling process, is to check the fuel type (kerosene, diesel or petrol).

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/oil-slick-samples-are-not-from-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-says-mariti

[Flash]

May be it is a lesson to China, with the new American technology to show off, since the majority of passengers were Chinese, for China not to side on the Russian side

[sheme]

Would microwave heat destroy a black box I wonder.

What vile threat was made here with this catastrophe? They do these things without our consent, I object.

[mosquito]

The media here have now declared it's a mystery ......

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2014planemissing/2014-03/10/content_17336083.htm

It must be awful for the families of the crew and passengers, having no closure, just more and more media speculation.

[Agape]

They had fuel for at least another 11 hours of flight . That may have taken them theoretically very far from the area being searched now .

[Atlas]

Hong Kong's Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City in the South China Sea, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0

[SilentFeathers]

Earlier in this thread I said i'd be surprised if they didn't find a debris field in 48 hrs or so, well, I'm surprised.

It is now looking like something may be totally off with this, that either this jet was highjacked and is sitting at a runway somewhere or it was actually shot down, perhaps reflecting Dahboo7's video.

Either way, this plane did not go down near the location where they originally said it did IMO because they would of surely found some debris by now.

Also, regardless of what actually happened or is happening, the spin masters will likely blame it on Russia, or perhaps N. Korea.

[Atlas]

Latest press conference:

nyPgc2OKoow

Two passengers thought to have boarded the missing Malaysia Airlines jet using stolen passports look like former Premier League footballer Mario Balotelli, the director-general of the country’s civil aviation department has said. When asked by assembled journalists what they did look like, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said based on CCTV footage they resembled the Italian footballer, who now plays for AC Milan. ‘Do you know Balotelli? They look like Balotelli,’ he said, without clarifying why he singled out the former Manchester City striker.

Earlier Home Minister Zahid Hamidi reportedly said that the two passengers who used the passports looked Asian in appearance. “I am still puzzled how come (immigration officers) cannot think: an Italian and Austrian but with Asian facial features,’’ he was quoted as saying by Malaysia’s national news agency Bernama.

http://www.news.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing-desperate-search-for-wreckage-and-clues-two-days-after-it-vanished/story-fndir2ev-1226849847203

[yuhui]

BEIJING, March 10 (Xinhua) -- China has adjusted the operations of orbiting satellites to help in the search of the missing flight MH370, according to a website run by the People's Liberation Army.

Citing Xi'an Satellite Monitor and Control Center, the China military web (chinamil.com.cn) reported late Monday that the center had launched an emergency response for the search and adjusted up to ten high-resolution satellites. The center purged the original commands of several satellites to offer full services in weather monitoring, communication and other aspects for the search.

Contact with Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was lost along with its radar signal at 1:20 a.m. Beijing time on Saturday as it was flying over the Ho Chi Minh City air traffic control area in Vietnam.

The flight was carrying 12 crew members and 227 passengers, including more than 150 Chinese.

A large-scale search conducted by multiple countries has found no sign of the plane so far.

BEIJING, March 10 (Xinhua) http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-03/10/c_133175721.htm

[SilentFeathers]

I'm starting to wonder if this jet was jacked and possibly flown to, well, um, N.Korea? (or that's what they'll tell us what happened).

Speculation runs amok when there is no debris found......

Also, something this big has the whole worlds attention......I'm sure they won't let this crisis go to waste.

Or Iran?????

"Mr Ali', cash & a Tehran mobile no: MH370 takes on SINISTER TWIST with Iranian link (http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=241062:mr-ali-cash-a-tehran-mobile-number-missing-flight-takes-on-sinister-twist-with-iranian-link-in-ticket-purchase&Itemid=2)

[Cardillac]

Hi all,

there's been an absolute DEARTH of info about this incident; just a few articles (precious few)- WHY?- is something going on that we don't yet know about?-

three days after incident: countless sources from various countries searching ocean/land but no sign of wreckage anywhere-

normally MSM would be all over/spinning articles on this subject but something has obviously happened that not even MSM/nor alternative media will touch with a ten foot pole-

according to my latest sources (whatever they're worth) the plane first curved (1st source) then curved 180 degres to go back to/from original source (2nd source) then...

blackout on radar screen; no SOS, no nothing;

it's known the South China Sea contains its own version of the Bermuda Triangle but is this area included?-

please state thoughts fellow Avalonians- and please be well all-

Larry

[SilentFeathers]

There's already a thread about this here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers

Multiple threads about the same subject matter seem to be making this forum a bit confusing lately....

[Roisin]

I read a twitter by a high ranking official in that part of the world who said that too... that there's something like a Bumuda Triangle in the area where the plane disappeared. Others there who were also citizens of the same country on that twitter page were expressing their dismay at that official for even suggesting something like that so early in the investigation and that everybody else at that time were expressing their condolences wrt to those who died on that flight. No one questioned that the man was not really a high ranking official so that in itself gives interesting credibly to that person's post on that. So, it sounds like that area has some kind of a history wrt missing planes and boats...

Note: Maybe a mod should transfer the posts in this thread over to the main thread on this topic.

[Roisin]

Update:

Oil slicks not connected to missing Malaysia Airlines plane, tests show

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-mystery-deepens-as-oil-debris-links-ruled-out-1.506197


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MISSING MH370: Mystery deepens as oil, debris links ruled out


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KUALA LUMPUR : Mystery deepened Monday over the fate of a Malaysian jet carrying 239 people, as tests on oil slicks scotched suspicions it was aircraft fuel while the search for debris failed to yield any trace of the missing aircraft.
Laboratory analysis of the oil samples showed they were not from the Malaysia Airlines jet but were a type of fuel used by ships, the Maritime Enforcement Agency said in Kuala Lumpur.

Read more: MISSING MH370: Mystery deepens as oil, debris links ruled out - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-mystery-deepens-as-oil-debris-links-ruled-out-1.506197#ixzz2va9pOrB8

[tnkayaker]

It seems strange they did not mention if they are sending search planes to see if there is wreckage anywhere. What is their plan? Did the plane disappear over water, mountains? I mean, normally jets don't just disappear into thin air. emphasis on "normally". :)

it had been reported that there was an ongoing search and rescue going on with no debris being found as of the end of the first or second day, and that the only thing possibly related was 2 oil slicks in the ocean and one plane door , but no other wreckage than that as of yesterday i think it was .

[sirdipswitch]

There's a Triangle south of Sumatra, and one to the north at the South China Sea, but nothing in between where the plane disappeared. At least that's what all the Vortex charts indicate, that I just looked up.

[Harley]

Just received this via email
10:57 AM


Tickets linked to stolen passports for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 were purchased by an Iranian man.

At least two people on board the plane were traveling on passports stolen from an Austrian and an Italian.

An Iranian man by the name of Kazem Ali purchased the tickets for two friends who he said wanted to return home to Europe. Ali made the initial booking by telephone, but either Ali or someone acting on his behalf paid for the tickets in cash.

[Atlas]

N.Korea?

Or Iran?????

Or China ?

Chinese Martyrs' Brigade group claims responsibility for flight MH370 (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Chinese-Martyrs-Brigade-group-claims-responsibilit-30228845.html)

Or Japan !?

The plane was brought down by a localized EMP, emitted from an Aichi M6A, launched from an I400 Japanese sub (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3131185/posts?page=138)

Or Mossad !!?

Did the Mossad Blow Up the Malaysian Airlines Jet? (http://nodisinfo.com/mossad-blow-malaysian-airlines-jet/)

Or Passenger 84 !!!?

Who is Passenger 84 on MH370 ? (http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/who-passenger-84-mh370-4603214.html)

Or the military !!!!?

Was Flight MH370 Shot Down By the Military — Accidentally or Otherwise? (http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2014/03/was-flight-mh370-shot-down-by-the-military-accidentally-or-otherwise/)

Or another dimension !!!!!?

Malaysia Airlines plane went to another Dimension? (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2502306/pg1)

Or Aliens !!!!!!?

Did Aliens Abduct Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370? (http://nationalreport.net/aliens-abduct-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/)

or anything else ??

[Elainie]

What about the plane being in the Devil's Triangle area- lots of strange disappearances there.

[Atlas]

What about a mechanical failure ?

[Sidney]

Just received this via email
10:57 AM


Tickets linked to stolen passports for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 were purchased by an Iranian man.

At least two people on board the plane were traveling on passports stolen from an Austrian and an Italian.

An Iranian man by the name of Kazem Ali purchased the tickets for two friends who he said wanted to return home to Europe. Ali made the initial booking by telephone, but either Ali or someone acting on his behalf paid for the tickets in cash.

The rats nest just gained a few more sticks. Seriously, Iran now?

[Nick Matkin]

All this discussion of two passengers on stolen passports, without any mention of how common this is. I mean - it might be that 50 per cent of flights have passengers with dodgy documentation.

How often does it occur? Is this very unusual, or fairly common, but only revealed on this flight due to media interest?

Nick

[Slorri]

It is reported now that they have radar tracking of Flight 370 further north and east of Vietnam.

Busted! Flight Radar Caught Changing Flight Path of Malaysia Flight 370!
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It is possible that this radar playback is from the day after.
That is, the 9th local time, and the 8th UTC.
In that case it is another plane. And it might in fact be followed by another plane. Perhaps they were looking for debris.

It does match the radar from the 9th.

[aranuk]

It turns out those stolen passports were on the interpol database - and yet the carriers were still allowed to get through security.

Another thought I had - why don't they ever use satellites for these kind of searches, or to track the planes?

You make great sense Tesseract!
I also agree.

Stan

[aviators]

I'm a little puzzled about how it is that a plane could crash into a very busy shipping lane without being noticed.

Yeah X2

I'm not sure the body of water we're taking about (for the crossing) is that huge
Providing they didn't go too far off course.

As a side note : there have been cases of planes and ships disappearing without a trace in the past.

Going out on a limb here, but I'm starting to believe there were no plane crashes on
911 So WTF happened to those planes. :cool:

Our media is capable of spinning this story or faking it to fit there agenda.

[Operator]

All this discussion of two passengers on stolen passports, without any mention of how common this is. I mean - it might be that 50 per cent of flights have passengers with dodgy documentation.

How often does it occur? Is this very unusual, or fairly common, but only revealed on this flight due to media interest?

Nick

I had the same questions ... however if there is one person other than them buying their tickets then this ties them together.

[sdv]

Hi all,

there's been an absolute DEARTH of info about this incident; just a few articles (precious few)- WHY?- is something going on that we don't yet know about?-

three days after incident: countless sources from various countries searching ocean/land but no sign of wreckage anywhere-

normally MSM would be all over/spinning articles on this subject but something has obviously happened that not even MSM/nor alternative media will touch with a ten foot pole-

according to my latest sources (whatever they're worth) the plane first curved (1st source) then curved 180 degres to go back to/from original source (2nd source) then...

blackout on radar screen; no SOS, no nothing;

it's known the South China Sea contains its own version of the Bermuda Triangle but is this area included?-

please state thoughts fellow Avalonians- and please be well all-

Larry

Until they find the wreckage and the flight recorders, investigators have nothing to work with and cannot determine the causes of the crash outside of speculative theories, especially as there was no mayday call from the cockpit or no indication of any problem communicated to air traffic controllers from the cockpit.

Recently, as a person who has always been apprehensive about flying, I watched everything I could find about aircraft accidents and investigations.

It is not unprecedented for an airplane to suddenly plunge in a nose dive to sea or the ground. An inexplicable problem with the plane (if pilots know what has gone wrong, they know how to deal with the situation) or a mistake in maintenance or pilot error (some bum pilots who do all the wrong things in an emergency) are the usual causes. Pilots will usually fight like hell to get back control of the plane (and probably why no emergency call was made, especially if the loss of control was drastic and sudden). So, basically, sometimes no mayday call is made.

What happened seems to have been catastrophic and sudden, because a crew in trouble would alert air traffic control that they need to land as soon as possible.

Don't fly on a 77 if you have an alternative. There might be a problem with the airplane that happens infrequently, but until there is an aircrash where there is wreckage and flight recorders to examine, the cause will not be identified.

The Lockerbie investigation was exclusively focused on finding evidence for a bomb because of the involvement of one individual. If the FBI is involved in the investigation, they will have tunnel vision and will look only for evidence of a terrorist bomb.

So, what did happen that incapacitated those in the cockpit so that there was no control and the plane plummeted? What would do that? Not decompression because they have emergency oxygen masks. Perhaps instruments going haywire because pilots are very dependent on flying a plane according to information given by instruments (so they may trust what instruments are saying even if it contradicts what they are physically experiencing, especially at night or in bad weather ... not night or bad weather?). The crew know how to get out of a nosedive or stalling, but if they responded inappropriately (has happened, and I think of one crash where the co-pilot was pushing the nose down when the pilot was trying to push the nose up) they would have probably been so panicked and confused that they would not have sent out a distress call (really, a lot of crew do not send out a distress call in those last few frantic minutes).

An airplane that loses all engines can glide and there is time for the crew to speak to air traffic control, so if it was sudden loss of all engines then only an incompetent crew would not send out an alert before the plane crashed.

My prediction is that a terrorist bomb will be blamed and if there is a fault in the aircraft, we may only find out when the third or fourth 777 crashes. I think there is very little chance that we will find evidence of the truth (theories, speculation, but no evidence) and that if a missile (physical or energetic) brought this plane down, we will never have that conclusion from an investigation nor have the evidence to challenge the conclusions of the investigation.

From what information is available, it seems that the airplane broke up before it hit the water or hit the water at an angle that resulted in complete break up on impact (this does not always happen). The former scenario is more likely because an airplane that breaks up on impact does leave a lot of physical evidence, which has not yet been found.

Radar records do seem to indicate a sudden loss of altitude so the airplane probably suddenly nosedived into the sea and it was catastrophic so the crew did not send a mayday call.

Not necessarily a bomb I say, but the FBI will want it to be a terrorist bomb and this may become the official story unless evidence is found to prove them wrong. The news about the stolen passports may be a common occurrence that we only find out about when a plane crashes. A lot of people probably travel with false passports. Were those people using false passports economic spies or saboteurs? As Europeans travelling on European passports, they must have stuck out like a sore thumb on that plane. Does not the CIA prefer to use false identities? The false passports may be a red herring that have nothing to do with the plane crash, but an interesting side story.

Unfortunately if there is a problem with the 777 that crops up occasionally (and often a problem with the plane is often the cause of accidents), then we will probably have to wait for the third or fourth crash to find out what it is.

[Roisin]

True story about how a 727 disappeared but then came back 10 minutes later.

It's about a Boering 727 that disappeared on approach to Miami International Airport only to reappear at exactly the same position ten minutes later -- except that every clock and watch on board was ten minutes behind ground time.

10 minutes later when they came back onto the radar, once they landed, they noticed that their watches were 10 minutes behind ground time.

The air traffic controllers told the crew that they went missing but the crew didn't have any knowledge of that. They did not notice any time lost at all.

The controllers told them that when they disappeared off the radar, several airliner's flew through the same space that airliner had occupied before they came back, 10 minutes later.




Here's more information on that:

There was a book out by Martin Caidin called "Ghosts of the Air" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1880090104/qid=1052891442/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-3521886-1160721. One of the incidents he detailed was the 10-minute disappearance of that NAL 727 on approach to MIA. I would suggest this book to any aviation enthusiast as he details many odd phenomenon with airplanes. One of the things that makes this book so much more interesting is that Martin Caidin acknowledges he received literally hundreds of "ghost stories" but only included those where he could find corroborating testimony from many participants and/or official documentation.

One of my favorite stories from the book was about a group of British Bombers that went out on an early WWII night bombing raid over Germany. Hours passed and, when it was approximately time for the bombers to return to the base, the base commander heard one of the bombers returning. He advised the field chief to have that crew report to the commander's office immediately on arrival. A few minutes later, the crew of the bomber came into the commander's office and wrote down their reports - heavy resistence, high allied losses (afterall, something like 12 bombers out, only 1 back). Before the crew left, the commander had each one of them sign their reports with their service number and then sent the off to the O-Club for a well-deserved drink.

Shortly after, the field chief came into the commander's office and advised him of the tally for that evening's raid - 12 bombers out - NONE returned! Wow! Reports in the following day confirmed that all of the bombers sent out were destroyed over Germany however, the "debriefing report" the commander had gotten from his "returned crew" accurately matched the intelligence reports received the following day (with the obvious exception of the one aircraft returning to England). Handwriting analysis of the debriefing reports signed by that crew, matched the handwriting of the crew that was KIA over Germany that night!

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/1088847/


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I have that book and that's where I found out about the incident I told at the beginning of this post.

[SilentFeathers]

You have to figure that likely every one had a cell phone on them too and no one managed to make one call to anybody stating that something was wrong....this whole thing just seems way to bizarre.

[Referee]

M from Canada.... with more

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[sdv]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dBa5_yGs64

[Keltikmuse]

Seems 10 different countries are looking for it /them/parts. Latest from British news http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html

[Harley]

You have to figure that likely every one had a cell phone on them too and no one managed to make one call to anybody stating that something was wrong....this whole thing just seems way to bizarre.

Try using your cell phone while you're out over the middle of an ocean.
Let me know how that works out for ya! LOL!

(Not picking on ya SF! :))

[Harley]

Wow, the conspiracy theories! LOL!
Great entertainment though! :)

Now it's my turn!!
(Just a story)

The plane is cruising normally with the Autopilot engaged.

Hijackers/Terrorists, probably with little to no knowledge of flying this aircraft, entered the Flight Deck and overwhelmed the Flight Crew.

In order for them to take control of the plane so they could do whatever they planned to do they would have to disconnect the Autopilot. So with little to no knowledge of how to operate the plane, they disconnected the AC Electrical Buses on the Overhead Panel (Think of it as the Main Breaker in your house.)

http://www.meriweather.com/flightdeck/777/over/elec.jpg
Note: Disconnecting the Busses would kill virtually all of the electronics equipment onboard the aircraft (This would account for the loss of all contact by the ground), however the aircraft is still flyable manually (requiring training and experience!) through backup systems which are powered from the batteries.

When the Autopilot disengaged the aircraft immediately dropped in altitude some 200 feet before the (hijacker) could recover and stabilize. Once stabilized they could fulfill their plan, whatever that may be.

It wasn't until they attempted to make contact with the ground to announce themselves and their demands/intentions (after all, what good is it to hijack or terrorize if no one knows about it?) that they discovered they had no communications.

At this point the main part of their plan has already failed so they attempted to change course (possibly for a new destination - 'Plan B'), but in doing so the aircraft made an abrupt 180. When the Hijacker attempts to correct for this maneuver, he probably over-corrects which causes the aircraft to perform even more wild maneuvers.

By this time the Hijacker has lost control and he knows it. Their plan is lost. So he simply sends the plane down into the sea.

Because of the semi-shallow AOA (Angle of Attack), the aircraft struck the sea and sank quickly (mostly intact, which would account for the lack of a debris field). The plane now lies at the bottom in about 65 feet of water. There are no survivors.


Note: The above is a fictional account!

I hope you enjoyed it!

:)

[Virma De Ris]

You have to figure that likely every one had a cell phone on them too and no one managed to make one call to anybody stating that something was wrong....this whole thing just seems way to bizarre.

Try using your cell phone while you're out over the middle of an ocean.
Let me know how that works out for ya! LOL!

(Not picking on ya SF! :))

Let's assume that the back of the seats still have a telephone device, the one that you use a credit card to make a very costly phone call from mid air. Someone inside that airplane must have thought of using it, assuming that such device was available. Still this is all speculation.

~Praying for all involved to find their peace.~

[Harley]

Let's assume that the back of the seats still have a telephone device, the one that you use a credit card to came a very costly phone call from mid air. Someone inside that airplane must have thought of using it, assuming that such device was available. Still this is all speculation.

See my post just preceding yours, Virma.
(We posted at the same time).

:)

[Agape]

I dare to say this much : the search and rescue operation is damn slow . It's only today when China announced deployment of their satellites , if they've done it on Saturday they could have saved someone .
The same goes for all the other countries and their satellites .. of course, tell me the taly of how expensive the technologies are and how difficult to operate .

They have to be drowning till now, even if they 'landed on water' and did not quite nose dive , it could be few people getting out somewhere .. between the East coast of Vietnam and the Phillipines . The China South Sea is pretty deep there .

Of course .. in case of landing on water ... the door is not always easy to open ... and the plane is not really meant to float for long so it goes down anyway .



:angel:

[Atlas]

Stolen passports on flight MH370 linked to people-smuggling network

The disaster that befell flight MH370 has thrown fresh light on a sophisticated illegal immigration network that uses stolen passports to smuggle people from South-East Asia to Europe, experts said last night.

When it emerged that two of the 239 passengers on board the flight between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing had been travelling on stolen Austrian and Italian passports, it was initially feared that the flight may have been the victim of a hijacking or bomb attack. [...]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article4029137.ece

[SilentFeathers]

You have to figure that likely every one had a cell phone on them too and no one managed to make one call to anybody stating that something was wrong....this whole thing just seems way to bizarre.

Try using your cell phone while you're out over the middle of an ocean.
Let me know how that works out for ya! LOL!

(Not picking on ya SF! :))

The looks of the radar they may of had service, text off satellites (if that's possible) I'm just trying to think of everything and so far most of what I've thought of doesn't quite add up.

Also:

This is a bit suspicious too..

Real-time flight trackers seek missing Malaysian Air flight 370, find only holes (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/03/10/real-time-flight-trackers-seek-missing-malaysian-air-flight-370-find-only-holes/)

[Cidersomerset]

A IBM executive from Texas was on the plane that was not supposed to be on it,
and look in South Vietnam. I am just listening to the 8 pm segment of last
weeks 'Payday' Bobs weekend radio shows that goes on from 12 to 18 hours
depending on the atmosphere of the show live. The last couple of weeks Ion ( The
voice of the Guf ) has come back livevia JW ( human) and great interaction and
knowledge has been imparted and fun had by all listening both live and in the
archive. 10 mins in Ion comes on and the first question by Gregg one of the
regulars is about the missing plane , and Ion gives ones of his usual cryptic
answers, only five minutes before Sarah takes the conversation in another
direction. So it will be interesting to see if the all knowing voice of the Guf is right
on this one...LOL

Sometimes someone else will go back to a previous topic and if they add more in a
later segment. I will add, since its a current event I thought it worth a mention.


http://achieveradio.com/archDL.php?ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/media2/PAYDAY/2014-03-08--2000---PAYDAY.mp3

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latest from BBC

China urges Malaysia to intensify search for flight MH370



http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73483000/gif/_73483790_china_malaysia_plane3_624.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26513506


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[Elainie]

It gets even weirder:

"Selamat Omar, a Malaysian whose 29-year-old son Mohamad Khairul Amri Selamat was a passenger on the flight, told of getting a call from the airline saying the plane was missing."

[SilentFeathers]

Not sure if true or not but there has been a couple of articles about people calling some of the missing passengers cell phones and they are ringing but no one answers. Probably hogwash but then again, stranger things have happened.

[Elainie]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/10/vietnam-says-it-cant-find-object-thought-to-be-from-missing-malaysia-airlines/


it was the above where that was mentioned.

[Sidney]

Ok so I just thought of something. Al of these supposedly stolen passports, and people on the plane not suppose to me etc, what if this is a false flag created to roll out mandatory chipping in order to fly. It seems the passport thing has been he frontline of this investigation so far. Alll eyes on the passports and whos whats and wheres. Should be be going down that list of passengers to make sure they even really exist?

[indigopete]

[QUOTE=Cardillac;807177] Don't fly on a 77 if you have an alternative

Are you serious ?

The 777 has not had ONE fatal accident due to malfunction in its entire 20 year history. That's a phenomenal safety record and unprecedented as far as I know. The one fatal accident there was was that one where the tail hit the end of the runway at LA. Pure pilot error.

It's the most reliable aircraft ever built - probably because it was the last of a technology generation that had reached full maturity. After that they started with the carbon fibre 787's and we all know how that ended up.

[KiwiElf]

Early in the prototype testing of the 777, one engineer raised alarms about catastrophic vibrational problems in the event of an engine failure, and the aircraft flying for a lengthy period of time on the remaining engine, ie several hours. I'm not aware that any such incident has occurred and I certainly don't think this is the case here. But anything mechanical can fail at some point, and that's largely dependent on maintenence and age or teething problems with new technology (as is the case with the 787 Dreamliner). Regardless of the aircraft's undeniable reliability, the human factor is always a big question mark.

Re the "Dragon's Triangle", this is not in the same area: the "Asian Bermuda Triangle" is below and to the East of Japan (approx 100 km from Tokyo, stretching to Formosa). However, that's just one of 12 "vortices"... apparently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Sea

[Flash]

The posts here are good, but we are presently running around 2 threads of the same topic. It would be nice if the thread were merged so that we can have all info and logic in one place, it makes for better findings and debates.

Cardillac, if you do not mind, we could merge our two threads. What do you think?

[Flash]

The information here is very good. Thanks everybody.

It would be nice if we could merge both threads on this topic. Mods, is this possilbe?

[Atlas]

the United States extensively reviewed imagery taken by spy satellites for evidence of a mid-air explosion, but saw none, a U.S. government source said. The source described U.S. satellite coverage of the region as thorough.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/11/Missing-MH370-fate/

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divers/mh370.jpg

[Yetti]

Hello Sigma6 , In my country they say: piensa mal y acertaras!. Transl: THINK BAD AND YOU'LL NAIL IT! I have some itchy sensation that you are in the right track!, the whole subject is full of holes, passports stolen, no debries on sea surface, search party no one knows anything of? ,too fishy .......and then probably the'll come up with a ultrastupid explanation like Oh! the food on board was too hot and interfere with electronics, bla lara lala!

[superconsciousness]

It was a terrorist attack...specifics to be released once certain leads are investigated.

[Ellisa]

The media here is concentrating on the stolen passport question. Apparently there are thousands that go missing every year. The plane had mostly chinese people on board, but there was also a large number from other countries. It really is no longer possible to assume that anywhere is populated by a certain ethnicity. Europeans are no longer unusual in eastern China, and many Australian and New Zealanders, for example, have asian or middle eastern ethnicity.

I think it is a good thing that this mysterious event is not being treated with media hysteria. The facts are gradually coming out, though it is possible it will be years before the most likely story will emerge.

I am hearing in all the news, and other sources, that this type of aircraft is very safe indeed. The one crash was proved to be human error, and there have been no other scares. That is why there is so much concern, and the lack of a mayday call does seem odd to say the least.

[Elainie]

MAS CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya repeated that the airline follows every protocol and security measure and responded to questions on the cockpit, saying cockpit door is always kept locked, and cannot be opened from the outside, adding that the pilots in the cockpit will be able to see who is outside the door via a video feed.


http://www.therakyatpost.com/news/2014/03/11/mas-flight-goes-off-the-grid/

[Atlas]

Man claims possible sighting of airliner (http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-man-claims-possible-sighting-of-airliner-1.505683?cache=03%2F7.223813%2F7.276921%3Fkey%3DMalaysia%2F7.293573%2F7.308059%2F7.541994)
Kota Baru: A businessman in Ketereh claimed that he saw a bright white light, believed to be of an aircraft, descending at high speed towards the South China Sea about 1.45am on the day flight MH370 went missing.

Alif Fathi Abdul Hadi, 29, told the New Straits Times what he saw after lodging a report with the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) in Tok Bali earlier today. Alif said he was in the compound of his home when he saw the bright white light, which he described as similar to the ones used by airplanes during night flights.


"I was walking towards my back door when I caught a glimpse of the white light.
"It was moving towards the sea, towards Bachok area, which was unusual.
"Usually, aircrafts that fly over here have their usual route pattern, but this one went completely towards the other way,"

Alif said he watched the light's movement for about five minutes, before realising that it was descending.
However, he said he was not sure that it was an airplane as he only saw the light.
He said there was no blinking red light.


"I did not think much about it, and went to sleep.
"Only the next day, when I heard the news on the radio, I thought that the light I saw could be from the aircraft's.
"After discussing with my family members, they advised me to lodge a report, and I hope this information can be of any help,"

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.nst.com.my/w1.nst.com.my/polopoly_fs/1.505685.1394428961!/image/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_454/ximage.JPG.pagespeed.ic.QVDOgCDqD_.webp
Alif Fathi Abdul Hadi, 29, (right) lodged a report with the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) in Tok Bali today. Accompanying him is his uncle Rosman Ishak, 55. Pix by Hariz Mohd.

[mosquito]

Ok so I just thought of something. Al of these supposedly stolen passports, and people on the plane not suppose to me etc, what if this is a false flag created to roll out mandatory chipping in order to fly. It seems the passport thing has been he frontline of this investigation so far. Alll eyes on the passports and whos whats and wheres. Should be be going down that list of passengers to make sure they even really exist?

My thoughts exactly. The FBI are involved so the desired conclusion will be "terrorists", regardless of the truth. We can be certain of one thing - there will be increased airport security from now on, checking of passports definitely, and probably accompanied by some other meaningless, invasive, irrelevant procedure.

Actually this is something else that's been puzzling me: Passports were standardized on the insistence of the USA in order for them to be readable by the scanning devices. THEY ARE scanned and read at passport control (at least they are at every border I've crossed in the last few years), but it would seem that whatever computer system those devices are attached to doesn't check the legitimacy of the passport ! Not for much longer methinks.

People are asking why no-one was suspicious of Asians carrying European passports. Why should they be suspicious ? People emigrate and take on new nationalities. Two of the "Canadians" on the plane were Asian too. As far as I'm concerned, if the passport holder looks like the photo in the passport, there should be no problem. There's already too much suspicion in this world, we don't need any more. But, like I said - we can be certain that we are in for some increased paranoia and increased security, alll for our own good of course.

[Referee]

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[LivioRazlo]

Natural News Just posted a good article about what isn't being told about the disappearance of this flight. Worth a look or posting here.

[Elainie]

LivioRazio- yes, I posted the link yesterday on page 4 of this thread (I think it was 4).

[Sidney]

Here it is again.
http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html

(NaturalNews) There are some astonishing things you're not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the flight that simply vanished over the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people on board.

The mystery of the flight's sudden and complete disappearance has even the world's top air safety authorities baffled. "Air-safety and antiterror authorities on two continents appeared equally stumped about what direction the probe should take," reports the Wall Street Journal.

WSJ goes on to report:

"For now, it seems simply inexplicable," said Paul Hayes, director of safety and insurance at Ascend Worldwide, a British advisory and aviation data firm.

While investigators are baffled, the mainstream media isn't telling you the whole story, either. So I've assembled this collection of facts that should raise serious questions in the minds of anyone following this situation.

• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself -- an object designed to survive powerful explosions -- has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because -- as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore -- "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

One theory currently circulating on the 'net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" -- which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed -- three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.

Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished

The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they've somehow missed all along).

The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the 'net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.

Personally, I'm not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn't been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.

The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

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[Ahnung-quay]

Quote from the end of that Natural News article-If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#ixzz2vcYQcwHv.

There's another thread about a UFO over the Ukraine. Even though some of the article that was cited about the "Dreadnought" was bogus, could there really be a craft in use that was built on earth that could destroy a 777 including its black box without leaving a trace?

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

I am unsure whether this particular report has been posted as yet (forgive my lack of research if it has) but this could throw a bit of a spin onto the whole topic....

http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2014/03/malaysia-plane-crash-20-all-electric-car-linked-green-tech-passengers-on-board-names-released-2432738.html

It is conceivable that the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 plane is “cloaked,” hiding with high-tech electronic warfare weaponry that exists and is used. In fact, this type of technology is precisely the expertise of Freescale, that has 20 employees on board the missing flight

[Operator]

There's another thread about a UFO over the Ukraine. Even though some of the article that was cited about the "Dreadnought" was bogus, could there really be a craft in use that was built on earth that could destroy a 777 including its black box without leaving a trace?

Yes, something like that ... the Iranians have demonstrated that they are able to pick the most sophisticated drones out
of the air like they were fresh berries on a bush. The moment they take over the target is wrapped in a 'bubble', no signal
goes in, no signal comes out. That complete 'system' becomes one and is landed as one ...

I am not sure it was used here (and by them) but the technology evidently seems to exist.
Perhaps this is a demonstration of some sort and maybe one day we'll see the airplane back in one piece (would be nice!).
And yes, that's some scary game-changing technology ...

[Mandala]

N.Korea?

Or Iran?????

Or China ?

Chinese Martyrs' Brigade group claims responsibility for flight MH370 (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Chinese-Martyrs-Brigade-group-claims-responsibilit-30228845.html)

Or Japan !?

The plane was brought down by a localized EMP, emitted from an Aichi M6A, launched from an I400 Japanese sub (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3131185/posts?page=138)

Or Mossad !!?

Did the Mossad Blow Up the Malaysian Airlines Jet? (http://nodisinfo.com/mossad-blow-malaysian-airlines-jet/)

Or Passenger 84 !!!?

Who is Passenger 84 on MH370 ? (http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/who-passenger-84-mh370-4603214.html)

Or the military !!!!?

Was Flight MH370 Shot Down By the Military — Accidentally or Otherwise? (http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/2014/03/was-flight-mh370-shot-down-by-the-military-accidentally-or-otherwise/)

Or another dimension !!!!!?

Malaysia Airlines plane went to another Dimension? (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2502306/pg1)

Or Aliens !!!!!!?

Did Aliens Abduct Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370? (http://nationalreport.net/aliens-abduct-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/)

or anything else ??

Wow, there's nothing like giving us a menu of possible choices. Talking about covering all bases and then some.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Or it could of been hijacked in such a way that the hijackers have demanded that the plane has gone missing (mystery until they have what they are asking for) Once the location of the plane is in the media then they'll kill everyone.

Because many of the family members have apparently called people that were on board the plane and the phones rang... no answer but they rang.
All the families are being held in a very secure hotel thats being protected as if the reptilian queen of the gods was inside.

My initial thought was that it was a natural accident and before they released information, many opportunities were thought of and again they could take advantage of an event that was kind of gifted to them.

Anyway..

[Violet]

The ringing phones have just been dismissed by Dutch radio as clear nonsense and not useful whatsoever. The dismissal in itself must have not lasted for longer than half a minute in a broader debate about the crash.

Playing advocate of the devil: why are ringing phones nonsense as a clue from a technical perspective, that is.

[Nick Matkin]

You have to figure that likely every one had a cell phone on them too and no one managed to make one call to anybody stating that something was wrong....this whole thing just seems way to bizarre.

A cell phone will only work when within a cell! The oceans aren't covered unless you have a sat phone. You don't have to go far off the coast to lose coverage.

Granted that line of site coverage may be tens of miles, even vertically, but it's still quite possible that the plane is well outside any signal areas. And don't forget that the cell phone signal is restricted to only getting out through the windows and any other non-metallic areas, so will be significantly reduced in strength.

If the crew didn't have time to send a distress signal, I doubt any of the passengers would have either.

And before we indulge in too much speculation as to why the disappearance is strange, and why this or that hasn't happened, how many of us actually have any training in aviation, know anything about crash investigations or have genuine inside knowledge about what is being investigated here? I don't, and I doubt many others do either. If you do have professional knowledge, then please speak up and tell us your opinion.

This dreadful incident may have been due to some whistle blower being silenced and the rest are 'collateral damage', criminal or terrorist activity, or even an impressive alien abduction. But it may just be a tragic accident.

Nick

[SilentFeathers]

This is weird!

BTW: I'm just posting some thoughts and some things I'm finding, troubleshooting so to speak. I'm no expert nor am I a genius detective.

As for these phones, I am not absolutely sure this isn't really happening.....


Vanished Malaysia Airlines flight leaves relatives with anger and phantom phone calls

One of the most eerie rumors came after a few relatives said they were able to call the cellphones of their loved ones or find them on a Chinese instant messenger service called QQ that indicated that their phones were still somehow online.

A migrant worker in the room said that several other workers from his company were on the plane, including his brother-in-law. Among them, the QQ accounts of three still showed that they were online, he said Sunday afternoon.

Adding to the mystery, other relatives in the room said that when they dialed some passengers’ numbers, they seemed to get ringing tones on the other side even though the calls were not picked up.

The phantom calls triggered a new level of desperation and anger for some. They tried repeatedly Sunday and Monday to ask airline and police officials about the ringing calls and QQ accounts. However unlikely it was, many thought the phones might still be on, and that if authorities just tracked them down, their relatives might be found. But they were largely ignored.

According to Singapore’s Strait Times, a Malaysia Airlines official, Hugh Dunleavy, told families that the company had tried calling mobile phones of crew members as well and that they had also rang. The company turned over those phone numbers to Chinese authorities.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/vanished-malaysia-airlines-flight-leaves-relatives-with-anger-and-phantom-phone-calls/2014/03/10/fdb78642-a862-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html

[Nick Matkin]

The voice mail of a mobile phone is not on the phone, but on the phone company's server. If you put your phone in a metal box, drive into a no-coverage area or throw your phone on the fire, and I phone you, I won't get an unobtainable signal, it'll ring and then go to voice mail or just say be something like 'the person you have called is unavailable'. Is that not what's happening in these reports?

That's what happens in the UK, and I doubt our system is different to that of any other country.

However, I am unfamiliar with the workings of the QQ messenger service, so don't know if if that is behaving normally under these circumstances or not.

[Cidersomerset]

Just saw this on Davids site .........


Six important facts you’re not being told about lost Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Tuesday 11th March 2014 at 06:55 By David Icke


http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/300X250/Transportation/Jumbo-Jet-Airplane-Fly-Sun-Blue-Sky.jpg


‘There are some astonishing things you’re not being told about Malaysia Airlines
Flight 370, the flight that simply vanished over the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people
on board.

The mystery of the flight’s sudden and complete disappearance has even the
world’s top air safety authorities baffled. “Air-safety and antiterror authorities on
two continents appeared equally stumped about what direction the probe should
take,” reports the Wall Street Journal.

WSJ goes on to report:

“For now, it seems simply inexplicable,” said Paul Hayes, director of safety and
insurance at Ascend Worldwide, a British advisory and aviation data firm.

While investigators are baffled, the mainstream media isn’t telling you the whole
story, either. So I’ve assembled this collection of facts that should raise serious
questions in the minds of anyone following this situation.’





• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders
that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are
bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well
as detailed flight data and control surface data.

• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after
falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's
why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need
to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a
signal means the black box itself -- an object designed to survive powerful
explosions -- has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some
powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris
has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because -- as
you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore -- "your seat
cushion may be used as a flotation device."

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370
was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris
floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it
has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to
have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

One theory currently circulating on the 'net is that a missile brought down the
airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" -- which
means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-
air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris
when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large
radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic
authorities.

• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the
moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed -- three pieces
of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air
explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial
data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-
educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with
all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if
transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the
location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar
systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When
planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.


Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished
The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to
have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a
cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the
hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that
they've somehow missed all along).

The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we
do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-
sounding theories across the 'net, including discussions of possible secret military
weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even
conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.

Personally, I'm not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely
explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn't been found yet because it fell
over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by,
even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.

The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370;
but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new,
mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes
out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever controls it already has
the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of
unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft
suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html##ixzz2vewHeDyB

http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

[syrwong]

The voice mail of a mobile phone is not on the phone, but on the phone company's server. If you put your phone in a metal box, drive into a no-coverage area or throw your phone on the fire, and I phone you, I won't get an unobtainable signal, it'll ring and then go to voice mail or just say be something like 'the person you have called is unavailable'. Is that not what's happening in these reports?

That's what happens in the UK, and I doubt our system is different to that of any other country.

However, I am unfamiliar with the workings of the QQ messenger service, so don't know if if that is behaving normally under these circumstances or not.

In China and Hong Kong, if your phone is not active, say turned off, there is no ringing tone and an immediate voice notice that the phone cannot be reached. The QQ messenger shows offline quite immediately if the mobile device is off internet connection.

I believe this very weird thing did happen, more than any "report" or "unconfirmed report" from the authorities as there seems to be reports and denial of reports one after another.

[Operator]

.....
The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370;
but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new,
mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes
out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever controls it already has
the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of
unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft
suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html##ixzz2vewHeDyB

http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

I've seen the above already posted ... (not sure if it was this thread)

However see my previous post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=807411&viewfull=1#post807411) on the last part.

If I remember correctly it was Mehran Keshe who explained that Iran was now able to take some
missiles in mid flight and 'return them to sender' with this technology.

[yuhui]

The QQ messenger shows offline quite immediately if the mobile device is off internet connection.

Still, there is possibility that the QQ messenger login in automatically on other computer/ipad/ipod....with passwords saved from previous login in. I mean, if someone happens to open passengers's computers at their workplace or home or somewhere, QQ will possibly indicate online....it's quite possible.


Also, according to "South China Morning Post" (on Chinese weibo: http://weibo.com/2647349703/AA9Ww3j1Y)

"The sister of one of the Chinese passengers claimed to have gotten a ringing tone when she called his phone, while a man calling his missing brother said the phone had rung three times before appearing to hang up."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-the-conspiracy-theories-20140311-hvh9t.html#ixzz2vf80zmNm


This can also be caused by forwarding system in Singapore or...when someone's phone is stolen.

[Roisin]

I had an inner vision during my morning meditation session today. But just before I started that session, I asked what happened to that plane. Well, I got lucky because while I was meditating, an inner eye scene popped in where I was sitting in a plane where the pilots were up front in an open cockpit so I could see what they were seeing out of the planes' windshield.
What I saw:
So I'm sitting in this plane as we are approaching a very tall brick wall. It was so tall, I couldn't even see the top of it and it seemed to go on forever. Well, when we were face to face with that brick wall, the plane then shifted into flying in a vertical direction, like a helicopter, up the that wall so fast, it made me nauseous. Then the plane stopped flying UP and the wall opened up showing a tunnel where the plane then flew into it ... and into darkness. That was the end of that vision.

Interpretation:
They say that when a plane crashes into the water, it's like hitting a brick wall. So that tall brick wall in that vision could have been the ocean and that airliner could have dived into it.

I'm surprised I saw that because prior to starting that meditation, it made more sense to me that the plane broke up in mid-air up 35,000 ft and that seems to be the prevailing sentiment of most aviation experts who have commented in the news about the demise of the plane.

But I saw otherwise because in my vision, it flew into a tunnel in that brick wall.

A detail I left out.
That tall brick wall first impressed me as a very, very tall building; like a sky scraper because it had windows too. But once we were face to face with that building, I didn't notice that we were passing any windows as we flew up that wall and then into that tunnel.

PS -- Just read over David Icke's explanation of what may have happened to that plane. He says it just vanished.

Of course, my own interpretation of what I saw in that inner vision of mine could be incorrect. Maybe the tunnel the plane flew into was something else and not the ocean. Maybe the brick wall only looked like it was made of brick but it was actually something else. If Icke's view is correct, then that would be something like a laser beam. But then again, maybe it flew into a spaceship. Who knows?

[aviators]

.....
The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370;
but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new,
mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes
out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever controls it already has
the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of
unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft
suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html##ixzz2vewHeDyB

http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

I've seen the above already posted ... (not sure if it was this thread)

However see my previous post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=807411&viewfull=1#post807411) on the last part.

If I remember correctly it was Mehran Keshe who explained that Iran was now able to take some
missiles in mid flight and 'return them to sender' with this technology.

My first question would be: can radar track this plane over the entire route?
Some parts of Ocean are unreachable by land based radar.

Many believe there were no planes during 911 . I mean the crashes were all faked.
So I have raised this question before. What really happened to the planes that day??
This has always bothered me.

[Roisin]

Isn't there another transformer on these airliner's that send information not to the control tower but to the airlines maintenance office. The information sends constant updates on the status of the plane's mechanical status. It's separate from the communication/GPS transformer. Read this somewhere in the news concerning this plane. Whatever the case may be, it appears that that transformer must have been shut off too. Anyone know about this?

[Operator]

My first question would be: can radar track this plane over the entire route?
Some parts of Ocean are unreachable by land based radar.

Many believe there were no planes during 911 . I mean the crashes were all faked.
So I have raised this question before. What really happened to the planes that day??
This has always bothered me.

As far as I understand it the plane was on radar at the moment it vanished (so not out of radar's reach).
Whatever happened they didn't see it descent either, be it controlled or uncontrolled.

[aviators]

My first question would be: can radar track this plane over the entire route?
Some parts of Ocean are unreachable by land based radar.

Many believe there were no planes during 911 . I mean the crashes were all faked.
So I have raised this question before. What really happened to the planes that day??
This has always bothered me.

As far as I understand it the plane was on radar at the moment it vanished (so not out of radar's reach).
Whatever happened they didn't see it descent either, be it controlled or uncontrolled.

Yeah I have read somewhere it made a few turns. Assuming this air space has good radar coverage you would be able to track its moves at 35 000 feet.

[Agape]

http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/11/live-updates-malaysias-missing-plane-tracked-on-strait-of-malacca--reports/

Malaysia’s military believes it tracked the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner by radar over the Strait of Malacca, far from where it last made contact with civilian air traffic control off the country’s east coast, a military source told Reuters news agency. The Strait of Malacca, one of the world’s busiest shipping channels, runs along Malaysia’s west coast.

The airline said on Saturday that the flight carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew last had contact off the east coast Malaysian town of Kota Bharu.
“It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait,” the military official, who has been briefed on investigations, told reporters.

The Malaysian military believes an airliner missing for almost four days with 239 people on board flew for more than an hour after vanishing from air traffic control screens, changing course and travelling west over the Strait of Malacca, a senior military source said.

Malaysian authorities have previously said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for the Chinese capital Beijing.

At the time it was roughly midway between Malaysia’s east coast town of Kota Bharu and the southern tip of Vietnam, flying at 35,000 ft (10,670 metres).

“It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait,” the military official, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

A non-military source familiar with the investigations said the report was being checked.

“This report is being investigated by the DCA (Department of Civil Aviation) and the search and rescue team,” the source said. “There are a lot of such reports.”

If the reports from the military are verified, it would mean the plane was able to maintain a cruising altitude and flew for about 500 km (350 miles) with its transponder and other tracking systems apparently switched off.

Malaysia has extended the massive search operation for the plane to the Malacca Strait after initially focusing on the South China Sea.

Earlier, Interpol assumed the terrorist link was fading away after the international police inquiry on two suspect passengers travelling with fake passports. According Interpol the two passengers of Iranian nationality could be related more with an human trafficking situation that with terrorism.




Smoke and mirrors :angel:

[aviators]

(Operator) If I remember correctly it was Mehran Keshe who explained that Iran was now able to take some
missiles in mid flight and 'return them to sender' with this technology.


Yes, and don't forget Iran supposedly landed one of our (US) drones.

[syrwong]

.....
The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370;
but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new,
mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes
out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever controls it already has
the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of
unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft
suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html##ixzz2vewHeDyB

http://www.naturalnews.com/044244_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_vanished.html#

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/

I've seen the above already posted ... (not sure if it was this thread)

However see my previous post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=807411&viewfull=1#post807411) on the last part.

If I remember correctly it was Mehran Keshe who explained that Iran was now able to take some
missiles in mid flight and 'return them to sender' with this technology.

My first question would be: can radar track this plane over the entire route?
Some parts of Ocean are unreachable by land based radar.

Many believe there were no planes during 911 . I mean the crashes were all faked.
So I have raised this question before. What really happened to the planes that day??
This has always bothered me.

There may be two technologies in frequent use for control and blackmailing.
No.1 HAARP.
No2. Snatch a plane out of the blue sky technology.:p

[Operator]

There may be two technologies in frequent use for control and blackmailing.
No.1 HAARP.
No2. Snatch a plane out of the blue sky technology.:p

Let's assume for a minute that 2 really happened ...
You would expect that if a country does like to give such a signal they would take a military plane
or something of that sort. But that would be covered up immediately ... now they have full attention.
This can NEVER happen unnoticed with an airliner ... when this technology is in the right hands it is
a very effective defense mechanism. So effective that future wars were virtually impossible. :eyebrows:
I think this is what Mehran Keshe meant when he said he would share/release technology this year that
would end all wars (Maybe a bit too positive/naive but still !)

[Violet]

You have to figure that likely every one had a cell phone on them too and no one managed to make one call to anybody stating that something was wrong....this whole thing just seems way to bizarre.

A cell phone will only work when within a cell! The oceans aren't covered unless you have a sat phone. You don't have to go far off the coast to lose coverage.

Granted that line of site coverage may be tens of miles, even vertically, but it's still quite possible that the plane is well outside any signal areas. And don't forget that the cell phone signal is restricted to only getting out through the windows and any other non-metallic areas, so will be significantly reduced in strength.

If the crew didn't have time to send a distress signal, I doubt any of the passengers would have either.

And before we indulge in too much speculation as to why the disappearance is strange, and why this or that hasn't happened, how many of us actually have any training in aviation, know anything about crash investigations or have genuine inside knowledge about what is being investigated here? I don't, and I doubt many others do either. If you do have professional knowledge, then please speak up and tell us your opinion.

This dreadful incident may have been due to some whistle blower being silenced and the rest are 'collateral damage', criminal or terrorist activity, or even an impressive alien abduction. But it may just be a tragic accident.

Nick

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost.html

[Ammit]

Just a thought here

Would the black box be able to survive a massive emp?.

[Sidney]

I had an inner vision during my morning meditation session today. But just before I started that session, I asked what happened to that plane. Well, I got lucky because while I was meditating, an inner eye scene popped in where I was sitting in a plane where the pilots were up front in an open cockpit so I could see what they were seeing out of the planes' windshield.
What I saw:
So I'm sitting in this plane as we are approaching a very tall brick wall. It was so tall, I couldn't even see the top of it and it seemed to go on forever. Well, when we were face to face with that brick wall, the plane then shifted into flying in a vertical direction, like a helicopter, up the that wall so fast, it made me nauseous. Then the plane stopped flying UP and the wall opened up showing a tunnel where the plane then flew into it ... and into darkness. That was the end of that vision.

Interpretation:
They say that when a plane crashes into the water, it's like hitting a brick wall. So that tall brick wall in that vision could have been the ocean and that airliner could have dived into it.

I'm surprised I saw that because prior to starting that meditation, it made more sense to me that the plane broke up in mid-air up 35,000 ft and that seems to be the prevailing sentiment of most aviation experts who have commented in the news about the demise of the plane.

But I saw otherwise because in my vision, it flew into a tunnel in that brick wall.

A detail I left out.
That tall brick wall first impressed me as a very, very tall building; like a sky scraper because it had windows too. But once we were face to face with that building, I didn't notice that we were passing any windows as we flew up that wall and then into that tunnel.

PS -- Just read over David Icke's explanation of what may have happened to that plane. He says it just vanished.

Of course, my own interpretation of what I saw in that inner vision of mine could be incorrect. Maybe the tunnel the plane flew into was something else and not the ocean. Maybe the brick wall only looked like it was made of brick but it was actually something else. If Icke's view is correct, then that would be something like a laser beam. But then again, maybe it flew into a spaceship. Who knows?

Hi Roisin, My interpretation of your vision, is that the plane was sucked straight up, with some unseen force(technology) and was led to a wormhole. Maybe they were taken to another planet that is being set up for habitation, and perhaps they needed all those folks who just happen to specialize in energy technology.

Of course this is just my first thoughts after reading your post. :)

[syrwong]

There may be two technologies in frequent use for control and blackmailing.
No.1 HAARP.
No2. Snatch a plane out of the blue sky technology.:p

Let's assume for a minute that 2 really happened ...
You would expect that if a country does like to give such a signal they would take a military plane
or something of that sort. But that would be covered up immediately ... now they have full attention.
This can NEVER happen unnoticed with an airliner ... when this technology is in the right hands it is
a very effective defense mechanism. So effective that future wars were virtually impossible. :eyebrows:
I think this is what Mehran Keshe meant when he said he would share/release technology this year that
would end all wars (Maybe a bit too positive/naive but still !)


Let use hope all wars become unwinnable. If wars are winnable, then as long as there is STS mentality and war is profitable, there will always be wars. But I think such a technology will only reduce the significance of air superiority.

The choice of time for attacking the plane (2:30am) is to minimize eyewitnesses，because there would have been plenty. Terrorists don't need that.

[Cidersomerset]

update...Just listening to the news in the background, its reporting the Malaysian
air rescue is working on the possibility that the plane had taken a left/west turn into the Malacca straights.

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Plane 'changed course'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26527439


http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/842966900.jpg?1394437038

http://static.guim.co.uk/ni/1394450559787/malaysia_plane_crash_460SVG.svg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/sitelogos/logo_mol.gif


Why are the missing Malaysian Airlines passengers' phones still ringing? Relatives'
agony as search zone now switches to entirely new area and Iranian man on
missing passport traced and 'isn't terrorist'

Smartphones of missing aboard flight MH370 'are still ringing', families say

19 families of missing claim to be connected - airline have also called crew

Growing frustration for relatives with no information on their missing

Angry relatives threw water bottles at officials unable to offer any answers
Malaysian police say one of the two men on stolen passports was Iranian
Was asylum seeker, 19, 'not terrorist', and his mother was waiting for him

Fate of Boeing 777 remains mystery and search now concentrates on different sea
at least 200 miles from where it was last recorded

But John Brennan, head of CIA, said terrorism 'could not be ruled out'


By James Nye

PUBLISHED: 04:20, 11 March 2014 | UPDATED: 18:26, 11 March 2014


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578020/Why-cellphones-missing-Malaysian-Airlines-passengers-ringing-Family-members-claim-loved-ones-smartphones-active.html#ixzz2vgFTM9cS
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[Roisin]

Thanks Sidney. I think that interpretation of it makes more sense because if it crashed into the sea, then one would expect that the plane would be sucked in a downward direction. But that's not was happened... the direction was up so that's very telling... thanks for commenting on that.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Why are the missing Malaysian Airlines passengers' phones still ringing? Relatives' agony as search zone now switches to entirely new area and Iranian man on missing passport traced and 'isn't terrorist'

Smartphones of missing aboard flight MH370 'are still ringing', families say


That could become interesting since smartphones don't hold their charges for very long, if they still ring a week from now it will be even more mysterious.

[Operator]

If the phones are really still ringing as would they be online in a cell then it would be very easy to locate
them since the technology to connect to them knows exactly where they are.

It would be a piece of cake for 'any' (not a single one blocking info) authority to locate the cell of these phones.

[syrwong]

Thanks Sidney. I think that interpretation of it makes more sense because if it crashed into the sea, then one would expect that the plane would be sucked in a downward direction. But that's not was happened... the direction was up so that's very telling... thanks for commenting on that.

I made a I Ching Oracle for the fateful plane earlier tonight and got "Decoration" with moving line at the top. Standard interpretation for this is, in case of missing objects, it is not lost, go search at a high place.

Quite interesting in view of your realization.

[Roisin]

That's interesting and thanks for sharing! I think when information of this nature corroborates with the same information others are receiving from those information channels that lie outside of the mundane too, that helps us to decide if the information is close to the truth or not. It's always great to get a confirmation on super-sensible information that we get via when others are getting the same information too.

[Leon]

Reading the news on this:

Stolen passports used!

Transponder stops!

Iranian connection???

Sounds like a repeat of 911 planes... or am I missing something here?
Could this plans transponder have been deliberately switched off?
Could it have then been remotely flown?

Or am I on the wrong track here or is this going to become another false flag?

[Camilo]

Disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 begins to demand supernatural explanations

As the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 continues to absolutely baffle investigators, explanations for what might have happened to the flight have entered the realm of the supernatural. Astonishingly, the Washington Post is now reporting that smartphones of some passengers who boarded the flight are still active and connected to the ‘net even though the plane they were on has vanished.

Continue reading here...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/six-important-facts-youre-not-being-told-about-lost-malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html

[Virma De Ris]

http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/

I don't know if someone has posted this yet. It's just another "answer" to the mystery of the flight.

[Atlas]

Iranian passengers identified (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/photos-released-of-suspect-iranian-passengers-on-missing-flight-mh370/)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fake-passports-iran.jpg
CCTV grab of Mehrdad and Seyedmohammedreza, who traveled on fake passports on flight MH370.

Malaysia’s national police chief, Inspector-General Khalid Abu Bakar, identified one of the passengers as 19-year-old Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad. Inspector-General Khalid said Mehrdad’s mother contacted Malaysian authorities after he failed to arrive on a connecting flight to Frankfurt.

Mehrdad, who was traveling on a passport reported stolen in Thailand last year by 30-year-old Austrian Christian Kozel, didn’t appear to be connected with any terrorist groups, Inspector-General Khalid said, adding that he had been in contact with Iranian authorities. “We believe he was trying to migrate to Germany,” he said. “His mother was expecting him to arrive. She contacted us here, so that is how we know he is the one.”

9mKFGdsm4nc

Interpol Secretary-General Ronald Noble told reporters that the second man, Delavar Seyedmohammedreza, was also only trying to get to Europe by using a stolen Italian passport.

[Atlas]

Second eyewitness (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-two-men-claim-have-seen-plane-plunging-into-sea-1439730):

Fisherman Azid Ibrahim, 66, in Kota Baru, told the New Strait Times that an airplane appeared to fly low below the clouds which he followed for about five minutes before it disappeared. He was out at the sea with six other fishermen about 14.4 km (8.9 miles) from Kuala Besar in Pantai Cahaya Bulan.

Ibrahim said the plane was flying so low that he could see its lights "as big as coconuts". He had spotted the plane with his friend at about 1:30am local time, while all his fellow fishermen were fast asleep in the boat.

"I only heard about the plane yesterday. My friend, Pak Da asked me where the plane was heading to at this time of night," Ibrahim said, adding it was flying lower than usual.

The fisherman reported the incident to the police the next morning after he heard the news of the missing plane around the coast, and his account was telecast by a local broadcaster RTM.

[Harley]

Received this via email this morning:


Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble is saying that the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is probably not linked to terrorism.

"The more information we get, the more we're inclined to conclude that it was not a terrorist incident."


After that, I then received this:


According to an unidentified senior Malaysian Air Force official, Malaysian Flight 370 was last detected flying over a small island hundreds of miles from the flight's usual route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

If the new data is correct, the aircraft was flying in the opposite direction from its scheduled destination and was on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula from its scheduled route. Previous accounts had the aircraft losing touch with air traffic control near the coast of Vietnam.

[meat suit]

Iranian passengers identified (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/photos-released-of-suspect-iranian-passengers-on-missing-flight-mh370/)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fake-passports-iran.jpg
CCTV grab of Mehrdad and Seyedmohammedreza, who traveled on fake passports on flight MH370.

Malaysia’s national police chief, Inspector-General Khalid Abu Bakar, identified one of the passengers as 19-year-old Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad. Inspector-General Khalid said Mehrdad’s mother contacted Malaysian authorities after he failed to arrive on a connecting flight to Frankfurt.

Mehrdad, who was traveling on a passport reported stolen in Thailand last year by 30-year-old Austrian Christian Kozel, didn’t appear to be connected with any terrorist groups, Inspector-General Khalid said, adding that he had been in contact with Iranian authorities. “We believe he was trying to migrate to Germany,” he said. “His mother was expecting him to arrive. She contacted us here, so that is how we know he is the one.”

9mKFGdsm4nc

Interpol Secretary-General Ronald Noble told reporters that the second man, Delavar Seyedmohammedreza, was also only trying to get to Europe by using a stolen Italian passport.

oh dear, those boys are sharing the same pair of legs....

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

Who is to say that the passports were stolen? They could have been bought... When this all 'diappearance' happened, the owner of the passport could have felt safe to come out and share his story...

just turns out the guy was iranian.

[Atlas]

oh dear, those boys are sharing the same pair of legs....

Nice catch. The photo was released by the police:

http://4-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/576x324xmother-iranian-suspect.jpg.pagespeed.ic.zytpKPli6p.jpg

Fz.com was alerted to the anomaly by our National Security columnist Andrin Raj.

“I have no idea why they would want to doctor the picture,” he said, adding that it could have been an administrative mistake that one should not be looking into.

“But this is certainly going to add fuel to the fire that Malaysia has not been on the ball or worse, something to hide,” he said.

http://www.fz.com/content/mh370-leggy-iranians-give-more-fodder-conspiracy

[SilentFeathers]

I had an inner vision during my morning meditation session today. But just before I started that session, I asked what happened to that plane. Well, I got lucky because while I was meditating, an inner eye scene popped in where I was sitting in a plane where the pilots were up front in an open cockpit so I could see what they were seeing out of the planes' windshield.
What I saw:
So I'm sitting in this plane as we are approaching a very tall brick wall. It was so tall, I couldn't even see the top of it and it seemed to go on forever. Well, when we were face to face with that brick wall, the plane then shifted into flying in a vertical direction, like a helicopter, up the that wall so fast, it made me nauseous. Then the plane stopped flying UP and the wall opened up showing a tunnel where the plane then flew into it ... and into darkness. That was the end of that vision.

Interpretation:
They say that when a plane crashes into the water, it's like hitting a brick wall. So that tall brick wall in that vision could have been the ocean and that airliner could have dived into it.

The first vision I had about this (I emailed it to you) was that the plane was intact but everyone looked dead, or passed out.

That was right after they started reporting on this I think, or within 24hrs.

I'm sticking to my initial gut feeling and intuition about this and figuring this thing was highjacked and either is sitting on a runway somewhere or was downed in a location far away from where they are claiming it disappeared. With all the spy satellites etc etc etc., I also do not believe "no one" knows where the jetliner is.....someone knows.

Not for a second do I believe this thing went in to another dimension or Et's beamed it somewhere.....this has human prints all over it IMO and is starting to look like a well planned out operation.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Iranian passengers identified (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/photos-released-of-suspect-iranian-passengers-on-missing-flight-mh370/)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/fake-passports-iran.jpg
CCTV grab of Mehrdad and Seyedmohammedreza, who traveled on fake passports on flight MH370.

Malaysia’s national police chief, Inspector-General Khalid Abu Bakar, identified one of the passengers as 19-year-old Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad. Inspector-General Khalid said Mehrdad’s mother contacted Malaysian authorities after he failed to arrive on a connecting flight to Frankfurt.

Mehrdad, who was traveling on a passport reported stolen in Thailand last year by 30-year-old Austrian Christian Kozel, didn’t appear to be connected with any terrorist groups, Inspector-General Khalid said, adding that he had been in contact with Iranian authorities. “We believe he was trying to migrate to Germany,” he said. “His mother was expecting him to arrive. She contacted us here, so that is how we know he is the one.”

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Interpol Secretary-General Ronald Noble told reporters that the second man, Delavar Seyedmohammedreza, was also only trying to get to Europe by using a stolen Italian passport.

oh dear, those boys are sharing the same pair of legs....

And half a butt, this is going to be a good one, a half @ssed copy paste job, no pun intended:confused:

[Atlas]

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1367678/mehrdad.jpg

An unnamed Iranian, who met both passengers in Malaysia and went with them to the airport, has spoken to the BBC's Persian service about the days before their departure. "One of the two was my friend from high school," he told BBC Persian on Monday by phone from Malaysia, apparently referring to Nour Mohammad.


"I met him the first day he arrived in Malaysia … He said he was staying for three to four days but was eventually going to Germany. His final destination was Frankfurt,"

Nour Mohammad's latest posts on Facebook show him in Kuala Lumpur. "Feeling excited," he wrote as he arrived in Malaysia in late February. In one of his earlier posts, he asked friends to "pray" for him, possibly worried about the risks of travelling on a forged document. According to the friend, Nour Mohammad and Delawar stayed for almost a week in Malaysia before their departure.


"We went together to book the flights, and I even had his booking number and was checking his flight status online all the time,"
"That's why I remember which flight he was taking: I had seen his flight number.

"I accompanied them to the airport. It was almost 8pm that we headed to the airport, and we arrived around 9pm to 9.15pm at the airport and we stayed in the car for few minutes and chatted."

The friend said he had discovered the pair were planning to travel with stolen passports during the final days of their stay.


"The last night before the flight, they both stayed at mine,"
"His [Nour Mohammad's] friend was dying his beard and hair and was checking the colour to match with the picture of a passport. He was making himself look like the photo in the passport,"

"When we printed the tickets, I realised that the passports were fake. My friend's passport belonged to Austria and my friend's friend had a passport belonging to Italy … They had three flights to take: from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, from Beijing to – I think – Amsterdam, and from Amsterdam my friend was heading to Frankfurt and his friend was going to another country."

He said his friend's mother had since contacted him and asked him to inform the airline about his forged passport.


"His mother told me how he got hold of the fake passport. He had bought the fake passport and wanted to go [to Germany] to seek asylum, and his mother told me his son was travelling with another person.

"My last contact with the two was 11.30pm, when they had passed the immigration gate. I wanted to make sure they found their way. They said they were waiting to get on the plane. I have [since the mother's contact] informed the airline, and this is how I've made sure they were aboard the flight."

[Cidersomerset]

Ion said on the 8pm sat 8/3/14 seg show I posted a couple of pages back.

An executive from IBM Texas was on the plane that should not have been.

Start digging in South Vietnam and you may find out where to go.

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This must be the executive. not wishing to sound callous it is a odd
thing for Ion to say. It does not lie, so although ions answers can
be cryptic, it would not make these two sentences up without reason.
Its a shame they never followed it up . Anyway we'll see where
it goes. I'm intrigued and annoyed they did not ask for more
details.


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By Richard Shears and Lizzie Parry
PUBLISHED: 00:56, 8 March 2014 | UPDATED: 23:22, 8 March 2014


Missing American: The sole adult passenger traveling aboard the missing
Malaysia Airlines flight on a U.S. passport has been identified as IBM
executive Philip Wood, 51, who worked in Kuala Lumpur

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html#ixzz2vhRj3m5D
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Family of Texas man on flight comforted by faith

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The latest theory is the plane may have turned back......


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Mystery Malaysia flight may have been hundreds of miles off course
By Greg Botelho. Michael Pearson and Jethro Mullen, CNN
March 11, 2014 -- Updated 2321 GMT (0721 HKT)

Vid on link...

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/?hpt=hp_t1

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CBS News....

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysian-airlines-mystery-military-says-missing-jet-changed-course/

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Was flight MH370 lost in an aeronautical black hole or did catastrophic power failure
prevent air traffic control plotting its every move?

Boeing 777's transponder should provide information to traffic controllers
But at 1.20am on Saturday, transponder on flight MH370 stopped working
Experts baffled by loss of communication and subsequent lack of debris

One theory links 20 defence tech experts on board to electronic warfare
Another suggests a bomb went off while plane flew over Malaysian jungle
There are also 'aeronautical black holes' in the region that could mean the plane is
hundreds - or even thousands - of miles away from searches

Nuclear experts are now using a 'infrasound' to find out if an explosion took place
at the altitude of the plane


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/11/article-2578197-1C3269D300000578-437_634x668.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/10/article-2577557-1C2CFCAC00000578-207_634x424.jpg
The plane would also have been fitted with an indestructible black box recorder and
a beacon to continue transmitting its location should it land in water

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2578197/Is-Boeing-777-hiding-invisibility-cloak-lost-black-hole-Experts-try-unravel-mystery-Malaysia-Airlines-missing-aircraft.html#ixzz2vhqeeorr
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[Roisin]

According to MAS CEO,

"All MAS aircraft are equipped with a continuous data-monitoring system called the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS).

"ACARS transmits data automatically and there were no distress calls relayed from MH370."

So even if the pilot could not make any distress call, the ACARS would have transmitted any technical problems automatically. THERE WAS NO DISTRESS CALL RELAYED.

Interpretation:
The public is out of the loop on the real information about the disappearance of this plane.

[Atlas]

More 'witness reports' (http://m.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/kelantan-police-hand-over-witness-reports-to-dca):

Kelantan police chief Deputy Comm Datuk Jalaluddin Abdul Rahman said

the first police report was made at 7.45pm on Sunday by a fisherman who claimed to have seen an aircraft flying unusually low at 1.30am while he was at sea.
“The second report was lodged at 2.54pm on Monday by a man in Chabang Empat, Tumpat,” he said. “He was planting chili at 2am when he saw a plane flying low, at an altitude of about 300ft, and claimed he saw the symbol of a wau (kite) on the aircraft.”
The third report was lodged at 4.15pm by a neighbourhood watch member, who saw a plane flying low and what appeared to be sparks coming from it.
The fourth report was made at 5pm by a Jabatan Agama Islam employee who was in Kampung Pasir Kasar Sering, Kota Baru, and saw an aircraft heading towards the sea at 1.45am.

“Based on our investigations, all the reports indicated a bearing of 350 degrees north towards the sea,” Jalaluddin said. “We had also taken a statement from a bus driver who saw a plane at 3.45am, also heading in the same direction, while he was at Setiu in Terengganu.”

http://m.themalaymailonline.com/images/sized/ez/Jalaluddin_Suhaidi1203_400_266_70.jpg
Jalauiddin (left) handed the reports and a statement to Kelantan DCA Suhaidi Yusuf.

[KiwiElf]

Well even the MSM TV News are starting to mention the possibility of a "supernatural event" (take that as you will ;)). If there is some "unexplainable technology" (or group, such as the Cabal etc) involved, it will be difficult to explain that way to the general public? Some form of soft disclosure coming mebbee? Courtney Brown's big announcement? Just a thought... ;)

[Atlas]

M'sian officials tell relatives of victims: Last contact with MH370 was during handover from Msia to Vietnam

KL air traffic said "we are handing over to Ho Chi Minh" and MH370 flight's last heard words were "Okay, good night"

https://twitter.com/STForeignDesk

[KiwiElf]

Cider, your first diagram (above) is very telling.... When the story first broke, it was stated the airplane disappeared approx 2 hours into its flight. More recently that was changed to less than an hour. Your diagram shows approx 2 hrs of flight time.

When it was first announced, I ran the same flight in a simulator. A 2-hour flight would have put it well beyond the Vietnam mainland above, had it stayed on its original course, reaching the coast of the nearest land (Phnom Penh) after 1 hr 15 min approx. So I initially wondered why they were searching the area where they lost contact (unless Malaysia Airlines flies their planes VERY slowly). Starting to make some interesting sense now... sort of ?

That revised track puts it on a heading to Sumatra, or remotely, maybe further North/West in the Andaman/Nicobar Islands if it changed course again. :confused:.

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[Atlas]

MikeSeberger said he read an article about DigitalGlobe's crowdsourced search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 and decided to help out. He said he saw this image very quickly after he started looking at sections of the map. "At first, I skipped past it, thinking, 'Nah. No way I would find anything THAT quickly,' he said. "But then I kept scrolling back to it and thinking to myself, 'It DOES resemble a plane.'"

He said he couldn't tell what section of the map he was looking at, but he flagged it so someone else could take a look. He didn't see anything else that looked unusual. Seberger said he thinks it's unlikely that this image shows the missing plane and assumes that he proably saw a ship that was in the area.


I made an animated gif with an overlay of an intact 777:
http://cmd0.com/images/plane.gif
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1103537

[Elainie]

The above image my twin daughters had found Friday evening after hearing about the plane, they put the coordinates on Google earth they thought it resembled a plane. So if this man saw this image 8 hours ago and it's in the same location as it was Friday night, you would think others would have seen it too. And they were doing it via Google earth.
This plane disappearance has really captured our attention as we were almost on flight 800 many years ago and my friend's brother died on the Swissair crash also out of JFK. He had an ominous feeling before he boarded that flight.

[naste.de.lumina]

To add mystery to the case, had contact with this video below:


Radar detection accuses possible UFO or Unidentified aircraft
disappearance during the Boeing 777-200 of Malaysia Airlines

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P.s.: If this video has already been posted please excuse me.



Hugs.

Naste.

[SilentFeathers]

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[SilentFeathers]

This story is taking some wild turns now, and it seems to be escalating, tomorrow the story will probably get even wilder....."they" won't be able to keep it under control so to speak much longer IMO.

"they" = those in the know

[KiwiElf]

Well they're now running with the U-turn course change on MSM - doesn't necessarily mean the plane has gone down in the Straits of Malacca; it could have continued on to Sumatra and/or made another course change flying below the radar. But someone is hiding something ie, Malaysian govt dispute this story (but not the Malaysian Airforce official who first announced the course change earlier today). Why did it take them so long to tell us and why weren't alarms raised as soon as the plane changed course???

The passengers phones continuing to ring unanswered has something to do with this I'm sure.

[Robin]

Hi folks,

I have been following this thread with keen interest, and I have to admit that I am quite surprised that the level of discussion has been centered around terrorist plots. You guys sound like the Mainstream Media...I thought we were conspiracy theorists! ;)

Sarcasm aside, I think that it is more likely than anything else that this large plane has encountered the phenomena scientists and science-fictionists call time warps.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Phx6Z1kSDg

We have all heard of the Bermuda Triangle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle), right?

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4eHOT7DgUU_C4Ngzyt3GsvpAgp5MMm JUWzvagk5goGvpffwWy

Time slips, time warps, vortexes...whatever you want to call them, have been reported for thousands of years by people. There is no way that all of these ships and planes disappear without a trace all around the world due to terrorist plots.

For those interested in contactee stories, I recommend checking out the Thiaoouba Prophecy (http://thiaoouba.com/mic.htm). What I think to be a very credible story of a man who went to another planet for nine days, he describes how he entered some kind of time warp where he was caught between two realities.

If this does not satisfy you, then check out what Stephen Hawking (http://www.hawking.org.uk/space-and-time-warps.html) has to say about physics and time warps.

Or maybe you'd prefer what Albert Einstein theorized about time and space:




Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_warp_(science_fiction)): "According to Einstein's theory of general relativity, when a body of mass "m," volume "V," and length of "l" moves with a velocity "v," then its physical properties change in many ways (such as its length decreases and mass increases). These factors keep on increasing and decreasing with the increase in velocity. When the body reaches the speed of light "c," its length becomes zero, its mass becomes infinite and the time factor vanishes. In other words, no time passes inside the event horizon of the moving body. In this way, the body sometimes takes irregular shapes and covers a distance of millions of light years in no time, because the passage of time for that moving body has vanished. During this process, the body is said to be moving with a (time-)warp speed."

David Wilcock's book Source Field Investigations is a great compilation of this phenomena, where he provided compelling scientific evidence that prove and explain them:

Source Field Investigations (http://www.scribd.com/doc/153574164/David-Wilcock-The-Source-Field-Investigations-Exopolitics-BEST-Full-PDF-Book): Part II, Chapter 17: Time Slips, Time Warps, and Vortex Phenomena

For those who do not want to read, you can listen to David Wilcock's beautiful voice! ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avjRRHqryQQ

Methinks that there is more to this world than simple "terrorist plots." Ley lines and vortex energetic points (http://shirleymaclaine.com/articles/sites/article-315), most likely located geometrically all around Earth may be linked with Earth's vital source of energy input and output. Doubtless all the ancients as well as spiritual tribes know all about this.

[Tesseract]

I was thinking that if the plane either nosedived or was brought down on the sea in a controlled manner, they might not find any debris, aside from the plane itself.

The plane was seen flying at <300 ft elevation, that suggests a controlled sea landing may have been on the cards. Maybe they'll find the plane on the sea bed in one piece... But flightradar24 has the plane at 35000 ft when it crosses the coast if I remember correctly...

The bits and pieces of the media coverage are hard to put together. In the early reports, they said they were talking about the straits of Malacca, but it took 2 days for the media to give us this 'wow' story about the plane changing course towards the straits of malacca... Also seems they are now suddenly interested in the transponder, not just the radar..

If the plane really did end up in the malacca strait, why was the elevation so low before it allegedly crossed the mainland again... It seems odd that they would take the plane down to 100 m and then fly at least tens of miles, overland, - but maybe my wires are crossed here..

Perhaps they lost electrical navigation aids, took the plane down low and navigated by dead reckoning, however 100 m seems far too low for that. More like the height one might risk flying at to avoid radar.. Interestingly, they would have been at a point on the peninsula where they could have crossed at low elevation (no hills or mountains). Be interesting to know if ship radar would be expected to detect something that low.


25195


Not sure if it means anything, but I can't help but notice the new SW heading points the plane right at Aceh, Indonesia, which has the ambition to separate from Indonesia.

[KiwiElf]

Sam, the MSM isn't all BS. Looks like our last 3 posts were simultaneous (scroll up). ;)

[Tesseract]

To add mystery to the case, had contact with this video below:


Radar detection accuses possible UFO or Unidentified aircraft
disappearance during the Boeing 777-200 of Malaysia Airlines


P.s.: If this video has already been posted please excuse me.



Hugs.

Naste.

The UFO was a korean airlines flight, at least according to flightradar24, I describe this I think on page 2 of this thread somewhere. The data for that flight is apparently anomalous, but probably a software issue, and the high speed section is to do with getting the plane back to a correct data point.

[gripreaper]

After several days, all we know is it "disappeared".

There is something to the Freescale Semiconductor, Carlyle Group, Blackwater connection, at least in my mind. Anyone who can disintegrate two concrete and steel buildings in less than 8 seconds, turning 200,000 tons of concrete into dust, while stacking the steel members in 30 foot sections within the buildings footprint, can certainly disintegrate a plane with 20 software engineers on board.

Mainstream has no idea the technology that exists and what it's capabilities are, and who has access to it, and why they are moving the chess pieces like they are at this time. Suffice it to say, the posturing and sabre rattling is beyond civil and purports something very deep and sinister.

All this is from my own uninformed and unsubstantiated opinion based on nothing but rabid speculation. No facts whatsoever.

[Tesseract]

Ah, god damn it, why do they keep doing this to us?

The report of the flight being picked up on radar by the Malaysian military over the Malacca Strait is apparently completely bogus. Can now re-focus on the original area..

Next we'll learn those eyewitness reports are also fabrications...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-12/malaysian-military-denies-detecting-missing-plane/5314212

UPDATE: Vietnam has now cancelled its air searches over the radar fiasco.

[andresrx1782]

Well since we're all putting out our theories I'll add mine, and say that while the analysis that has been made with the tools and information available to us implies a supernatural phenomenon, we should still look for an ordinary answer. Now with that said it remains truth that two passengers were using false passports and another one was an executive at ibm, could this have been an APIS operation? Does anyone here has insight into their modus operandi?

The situation in ukraine is still escalating and it appears to be related to fringe subjects, so adding another fringe incident at the same time in another part of the planet seems like a coincidence. Are we seeing a conflict between local secret services, experimentation fodder for visitors, or just another set of victims of the financial conflict.

[Tesseract]

Agreed, andresrx, Occam's Razor says it's just at the bottom of the sea. What brought it down is anyone's guess though.. As has been pointed out, the search area is enormous. They are using aircraft, sure, but the problem is those aircraft have to fly quite low if they want to spot anything small, that limits their viewing area. There was a case many years ago in Australia where some wrecked fisherman in a life boat had search planes fly them over numerous times, but the fisherman were not spotted, since the planes were too high.

There is certainly a lot of dark energy around, things feel very ominous Some chatter getting around of a market crash happening in the next few weeks. Crimea referendum has the potential to kick something off.. Some serious stuff going on with Libya, North Korea and Iran now as well, might post about that tomorrow.

[Agape]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26527390

Malaysia Airlines MH370: Air force denies Malacca Strait comments


Malaysia's air force chief has denied remarks attributed to him that a missing Malaysia Airlines plane was tracked by military radar to the Strait of Malacca, far from its planned route.

Rodzali Daud said such reports in local media were untrue, but it was possible the plane had turned back.

Flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing went missing on Saturday, after taking off with 239 people on board.

Meanwhile, Vietnam said it was scaling back some of its search activities.

"We've decided to temporarily suspend some search and rescue activities, pending information from Malaysia," Vietnam's deputy minister of transport Pham Quy Tieu said on Wednesday.


Earlier this week, Malaysia widened the search for the missing plane amid conflicting reports on its last known position. Early search efforts focussed on waters between Malaysia and Vietnam.

The Malaysian authorities initially said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport, as it flew over the South China Sea, south of Vietnam's Ca Mau peninsula. No distress signal or message was sent.

On Tuesday, a local media report quoted Gen Rodzali Daud as saying that the flight was last detected by military radar at the Strait of Malacca, off Malaysia's west coast.

On Wednesday, Gen Rodzali Daud said he "did not make any such statements", but the air force had "not ruled out the possibility of an air turn-back".

Meanwhile, AFP news agency reported that the search had been expanded into the Andaman Sea, north of the Strait of Malacca, citing Malaysian civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman.

"We are not going to leave any chance. We have to look at every possibility," he said, without indicating why the search was expanded north.

'Shock at allegations'
At least 40 ships and 34 aircraft from several different countries are taking part in the search for the plane.

Two-thirds of the passengers on board the plane were Chinese. Some were from a range of other Asian countries, North America or Europe.

Earlier, it emerged that two men travelling on stolen passports on board the plane were Iranians with no apparent links to terrorist groups, officials said.

Meanwhile, Malaysia Airlines said in a statement that it was "shocked" by reports made against its First Officer, Fariq Ab Hamid, who was the co-pilot of the missing flight.

A South African tourist told Australia's Channel Nine that she and her friend were invited to sit in the cockpit with Fariq Ab Hamid and the pilot during a flight in 2011, in an apparent breach of airline rules.

Malaysia Airlines said it took the reports "very seriously".

"We have not been able to confirm the validity of the pictures and videos of the alleged incident. As you are aware, we are in the midst of a crisis, and we do not want our attention to be diverted," it said.

Officials still do not know what went wrong with the aircraft.

None of the debris and oil slicks spotted in the South China Sea or Malacca Strait so far have proved to be linked to the disappearance.

In the US, CIA Director John Brennan said the possibility of a terror link could not be ruled out. But he said "no claims of responsibility" over the missing jet had "been confirmed or corroborated".



I thought it does not make great sense .


....

On purely personal note ... I felt in turmoil about this has occurred two days later after I've had that very strange dream of huge light with Z shaped debris falling to the sea ,
lucky for me I logged the event here :: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69078-Interdimensional-Portal-in-Russia-UFO-but-What-s-Coming-through..&p=805463&viewfull=1#post805463

but confused the event with situation at Crimea . I sometimes get signs of strong situations forwards , not always knowing what they mean but if I see them they somehow happen . This was eery too fast .

But I tend to refuse the worst possibility at the same time . The blazing light we witnessed in that dream, though I was half awake at the end was enormous and we ( plenty of people at the coast including some 'Indian rickshaws' driving to the sea ) all just starred to it . First it looked like large rectangular object ( not evenly shaped ) low above our heads but it was obvious it's going to fall . It started dissembling to those Z shaped puzzle pieces and followed by blazing light .
I later thought it would have been a missile .

On Saturday ... after we all heard the news and they already started searching for the craft , I made urge effort to connect to them ( mind link ) and to my surprise ,
I heard hum , like a white noise but I felt 'hey we're still there' .

I did not know about people trying to call cell phones and getting signal .. which makes very little sense anyway .

My immediate impression at start was that they lost course , for whatever reason and took it around the coast, never reached Vietnamese air space and landed somewhere in the deeper water of China South Sea .
The point is, as most maps confirm , the sea between Thailand and Vietnam is shallow and if they crashed there they'd be found .

So the only plausible explanation of the moment, as Tessaract noted above is they took nosedive , somewhere deep to the ocean ,
perhaps a submarine or two would have a chance to locate them .

The question whether 'black box' signal can be heard from deep under ocean seems questionable .


Of course there may be other explanations .. if the plane was hijacked, cloaking technologies used .. they could be somewhere far off but not till now, since they'd have to refuel . And it'd not go unnoticed .


There was one 'funny' occurrence recently with Ethiopian pilot diverting flight to Geneva seeking asylum ...

http://www.startribune.com/245785411.html

;) So if I could wish something .. it'd be rather that .



Peace :angel:

[KiwiElf]

None of this makes any sense, but someone (or some "group") is lying,... or deliberately covering up/:bs::bs:attempting to mislead...

[Referee]

Could we be looking at a methane release as the cause?

[Operator]

Well even the MSM TV News are starting to mention the possibility of a "supernatural event" (take that as you will ;)). If there is some "unexplainable technology" (or group, such as the Cabal etc) involved, it will be difficult to explain that way to the general public? Some form of soft disclosure coming mebbee? Courtney Brown's big announcement? Just a thought... ;)

Probably not .... Courtney started that announcement thingy way back in February. It would mean that he had
information back then about a future disappearance. Although it was delayed and of course it wouldn't matter
if they can just take any plane for the purpose ... but it sounds a bit too far fetched I think.

[Agape]

Could we be looking at a methane release as the cause?

Is that a joke ? ;)

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Well even the MSM TV News are starting to mention the possibility of a "supernatural event" (take that as you will ;)). If there is some "unexplainable technology" (or group, such as the Cabal etc) involved, it will be difficult to explain that way to the general public? Some form of soft disclosure coming mebbee? Courtney Brown's big announcement? Just a thought... ;)

Probably not .... Courtney started that announcement thingy way back in February. It would mean that he had
information back then about a future disappearance. Although it was delayed and of course it wouldn't matter
if they can just take any plane for the purpose ... but it sounds a bit too far fetched I think.


Just because Courtney has big name, Courtney probably had the information in February ? Cheers ;)

[mosquito]

What was, yesterday, an intriguing mystery is rapidly turning into a comedy of errors ! The oh-so-efficient miltary take 3 days to tell us they tracked it going South West, then they tell us it's not true ! The USA says it's satellite coverage of the area is "thorough" but obviously not bloody thorough enough to be of any use ! The Chinese are busy telling the Malaysians to increase their effort, which I thought was a bit unfair at first, but it does actually seem as though the Malaysians aren't exactly in the running for an efficiency medal. The Western media are, predictably, still wetting themselves over the fact that there were stolen passports being used (Q: do you really think spies travel using their own identity ?) and now they can get their knickers further twisted by the Earth shattering news that the first officer once invited someone into the cockpit.

The key to this case isn't anything to do with passports, the pilot's sexuality, the stewardesses choice of hosiery or anything else like that. The key is the facts: There were no ACARS reports, no distress calls, the transponder was not responding, all communication was lost suddenly. Hmm, but then, why the hell can't they find it ?

We know it's not another false-flag operation, for the simple reason that, if it was, there would have been some official or expert giving us the verdict at 06:00 on Saturday.

I'm beginning to wonder whether the autorities are just covering up for their own incompetence.

I feel so sorry for the families, they still know nothing, and some sections of the press still think they have some kind of right/duty to publish pictures of people in distress.

[Atlas]

Fishermen find life raft near Port Dickson (http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-fishermen-find-life-raft-near-pd-1.509222)

A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson town at 12pm yesterday.
One of the fishermen, Azman Mohamad, 40, said they found the badly damaged raft floating and immediately notified the Kuala Linggi Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) in Malacca for assistance to lift the raft as it was very heavy.

"We managed to tie it to our boat as we feared it would sink due to the damages," he said. When the MMEA boat arrived, the fishermen then handed over the raft into their custody.

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.nst.com.my/w1.nst.com.my/polopoly_fs/1.509224.1394605949!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_454/ximage.jpg.pagespeed.ic.grTlz23VJG.webp
(The life raft found by a group of fishermen 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson yesterday)

However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard.

[KiwiElf]

Now they're suggesting a fracture in the fuselage of the plane has caused this, depressurising the aircraft, rendering passengers and crew unconscious, and somehow making all the communications devices (there are several), inoperable. :bs:

[Atlas]

A police report have been lodged by villagers in Marang, Terengganu alleging that they heard a loud explosion early Saturday morning when the jetliner lost contact with the control tower. The Terengganu police confirmed today having received a report on a loud explosion heard by villagers in Marang on Saturday morning. Terengganu police chief Jamshah Mustapa said the report had been forwarded to the Bukit Aman police yesterday for further action. He said from the report that was lodged, the eight men only heard the explosion, but did not see any object.

“So far, we only received one report at the Marang district police station yesterday morning,” he told reporters

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1903005_818631871497315_608893674_n.jpg

Yesterday, the eight men, who are residents at Kampung Pantai Seberang Marang, lodged a report on a loud sound they heard north-east of Pulau Kapas, believing it was linked to the disappearance of the MAS aircraft on that day. They were seated on a bench about 400m from the Marang beach well past midnight when they heard the noise, which sounded like the fan of a jet engine.

http://www.actformalaysia.com/2014/03/12/mh370-floating-debris-under-scrutiny/

Chinese search and rescue teams claim they have salvaged floating objects possibly from the missing plane, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/XinHua-300x199.jpg
Members of the Chinese emergency response team on “South China Sea Rescue 101″ salvage floating object at the possible crash site

[Atlas]

'Phantom call' theory dismissed by experts (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/mh370-phone-theory-debunked/)

Technology industry analyst and "E-Commerce Times" columnist, Jeff Kagan told CNN that no conclusions can be reached concerning the ringing phones.
When a cell phone rings, it first connects with the network and attempts to locate the end-user's phone.


"If it doesn't find the phone after a few minutes, after a few rings, then typically, it disconnects and that's what's happening,"
"So, they're hearing ringing and they're assuming it's connecting to their loved ones, but it's not. It's the network sending a signal to the phone letting them know it's looking for them." "Just because you're getting ringing, just because the signs that we see on these cell phones, that's no proof that there's any -- that's just the way the networks work."

[Atlas]

Oil Rig Worker: 'I Saw the Malaysia Airlines Plane Come Down' (http://mashable.com/2014/03/12/malaysia-airlines-370-search-area/)

In a email sent to his employer, which was acquired, confirmed, and then shared by the ABC journalist Bob Woodruff, the man says, "I believe I saw the Malaysian Airlines plane come down. The timing is right."

He describes seeing what he believes to be the plane burning — in one piece — at high altitude, flying perpendicular to the standard plane routes that cross over the area.


"From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds. There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary, or going away from our location,"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BihixI6CYAAz_s5.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

Bill Still's theory on this plane - it was hijacked, perhaps by the co-pilot:
S-dgxjKRzno

[Hervé]

Oil Rig Worker: 'I Saw the Malaysia Airlines Plane Come Down' (http://mashable.com/2014/03/12/malaysia-airlines-370-search-area/)

In a email sent to his employer, which was acquired, confirmed, and then shared by the ABC journalist Bob Woodruff, the man says, "I believe I saw the Malaysian Airlines plane come down. The timing is right."

He describes seeing what he believes to be the plane burning — in one piece — at high altitude, flying perpendicular to the standard plane routes that cross over the area.


"From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds. There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary, or going away from our location," https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BihixI6CYAAz_s5.jpg

There is that one-in-diminishing-zillion* "chance" the plane and a meteorite met...

* Loud booms and falling meteorites are more and more common to the point of people getting hit by those flying red-hot pieces.

[andresrx1782]

At this point we're already seeing tampered and false evidence as proven by the fake military report of the flight being picked up on radar, so we need to analyze each new piece of evidence with a critical mind and not try to force them to match a single theory. Theory should match the evidence not the contrary, let's not make the most basic mistake in an investigation.

Pieces of airplanes were found in the pentagon, and the twin towers after 9/11 and the evidence still doesn't match their existence ...

The email seems solid enough with a lot of information, hopefully we'll se a person standing up and taking credit for it, not just an NN in an oil rig.

[panopticon]

Oil Rig Worker: 'I Saw the Malaysia Airlines Plane Come Down' (http://mashable.com/2014/03/12/malaysia-airlines-370-search-area/)

In a email sent to his employer, which was acquired, confirmed, and then shared by the ABC journalist Bob Woodruff, the man says, "I believe I saw the Malaysian Airlines plane come down. The timing is right."

He describes seeing what he believes to be the plane burning — in one piece — at high altitude, flying perpendicular to the standard plane routes that cross over the area.


"From when I first saw the burning (plane) until the flames went out (still at high altitude) was 10-15 seconds. There was no lateral movement, so it was either coming toward our location, stationary, or going away from our location," https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BihixI6CYAAz_s5.jpg

There is that one-in-diminishing-zillion* "chance" the plane and a meteorite met...

* Loud booms and falling meteorites are more and more common to the point of people getting hit by those flying red-hot pieces.

What is reported in the email screamed bolide to me. I've seen a few over the years and they look just like that, even the 10 - 15 second timing was about what I'd expect from a high level skimmer. He wouldn't have been able to make out a plane in the dark (nor distance) so the only thing to do would be check out the area indicated for wreckage. Is this in a region that the deflated rubba dingy was found or along the projected flight path(s)?

I agree Amzer Zo, chance of an impact happening is pretty small, especially as the Earth isn't going through a major meteor shower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_meteor_showers) atm.

-- Pan

[Hervé]

As it currently stands:


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/12/article-2578914-1C38896700000578-489_634x476.jpg


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578914/Nine-fresh-witnesses-place-missing-jet-near-Thailand-despite-Malaysia-military-moving-search-area-west.html

[Atlas]

the only thing to do would be check out the area indicated for wreckage.

No info on Mike McKay at the moment. The oil rig is real.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BigkZz8CYAEU1vv.jpg:large

[Roisin]

I had an inner vision during my morning meditation session today. But just before I started that session, I asked what happened to that plane. Well, I got lucky because while I was meditating, an inner eye scene popped in where I was sitting in a plane where the pilots were up front in an open cockpit so I could see what they were seeing out of the planes' windshield.
What I saw:
So I'm sitting in this plane as we are approaching a very tall brick wall. It was so tall, I couldn't even see the top of it and it seemed to go on forever. Well, when we were face to face with that brick wall, the plane then shifted into flying in a vertical direction, like a helicopter, up the that wall so fast, it made me nauseous. Then the plane stopped flying UP and the wall opened up showing a tunnel where the plane then flew into it ... and into darkness. That was the end of that vision.

Interpretation:
They say that when a plane crashes into the water, it's like hitting a brick wall. So that tall brick wall in that vision could have been the ocean and that airliner could have dived into it.

I'm surprised I saw that because prior to starting that meditation, it made more sense to me that the plane broke up in mid-air up 35,000 ft and that seems to be the prevailing sentiment of most aviation experts who have commented in the news about the demise of the plane.

But I saw otherwise because in my vision, it flew into a tunnel in that brick wall.

A detail I left out.
That tall brick wall first impressed me as a very, very tall building; like a sky scraper because it had windows too. But once we were face to face with that building, I didn't notice that we were passing any windows as we flew up that wall and then into that tunnel.

PS -- Just read over David Icke's explanation of what may have happened to that plane. He says it just vanished.

Of course, my own interpretation of what I saw in that inner vision of mine could be incorrect. Maybe the tunnel the plane flew into was something else and not the ocean. Maybe the brick wall only looked like it was made of brick but it was actually something else. If Icke's view is correct, then that would be something like a laser beam. But then again, maybe it flew into a spaceship. Who knows?



In the above quote which is from a post I posted yesterday, I described an inner eye vision I had during my morning meditation session. Just prior to that session, I asked what happened to that Malaysian plane.

I describe was I saw in that vision in that post. But I was stumped on why I saw that tall brick building at the very beginning of that vision because it didn't seem to have any connection to what the vision seemed to be about.
(I just bolded the text in my post above that I quoted about the details of that building I saw in that vision)

Well, just now I know why I saw that because all over the news now are headlines about that explosion that just occurred in a massive brick building in Harlem in NYC. The pictures of that building in terms of it's bricks and color of the bricks and the style of the building and its windows match up to the building I saw in my vision. So that vision was precognitive because that building that I saw in iit turned out to be all over the news the next day (today) having to do with an massive explosion in that buidling.



It could mean that terrorism is involved in both incidents (the missing plane and the explosion in that building) but whatever the case may be, there is some common thread that runs through both incidents hence why that tall massive brick building that I saw was at the beginning of that vision too.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/explosion-manhattan-apartment-building/story?id=22874973

[SilentFeathers]

Bill Still's theory on this plane - it was hijacked, perhaps by the co-pilot:
S-dgxjKRzno

Right or wrong, this guy is quite logical and I agree with some of his theories about what happened or is happening....worth watching (and bumpin) this short clip, thanks Paul.

[Hervé]

Stargazers Witness Close Encounter (http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/03/11/2014031101638.html)

A bright shining object in the skies captivated observers in Suwon on Sunday night. Experts say it was probably a shooting star.


http://english.chosun.com/site/data/img_dir/2014/03/11/2014031101551_0.jpg
A shining object (in circle) is captured by an in-car camera system in Suwon, Gyeonggi Province on Sunday. /News 1


The object blazed across the night sky for some moments before crashing to earth.

Several videos capturing the scene from in-car systems were posted on social networking sites.


http://english.chosun.com/site/data/img_dir/2014/03/11/2014031101551_1.jpg
A black rock presumed to be part of a meteorite is stuck in the soil in a greenhouse in Jinju, South Gyeongsang Province. /Newsis


On Monday morning, a black rock measuring 25 by 50 cm and presumed to be part of a meteorite was found in a greenhouse in Jinju, South Gyeongsang Province.

[Nat_Lee]

Well we don't know until we know !

My greatest love to all the families and friends for their sad lost ..

[Roisin]

Bill Still's theory on this plane - it was hijacked, perhaps by the co-pilot:
S-dgxjKRzno

Right or wrong, this guy is quite logical and I agree with some of his theories about what happened or is happening....worth watching (and bumpin) this short clip, thanks Paul.



I look at synchronicity's and what Bill Still's is saying in that video and what happened this morning with that massive explosion in that hi-rise in Harlem.... and then that vision I saw of that brick building that I had yesterday morning, a vision that also had something to do with that missing plane.... well, the information here seems to be pointing into the direction of sabotage and maybe even terrorism.

The running theme in my above comment is 9/11, terrorists, explosives, hijacking, skyscrapers and buildings blown up, airliners etc...

[aviators]

What still doesn't fit about this story is how it just disappeared off radar
at 35 000 feet.

I keep hoping Iran makes a press conference and says we have your plane
and passengers and all is well. Welcome to the future!

I know I am probably dreaming. Trying to think positive! ;)

[Atlas]

China's ambassador to Malaysia said the families of Chinese passengers on board the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 need fast and accurate updates on the situation and appealed to the media to leave them alone.


They have kept calm and patient. They just want to get accurate information - what happened, what's going on and what is next step.

http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/straitstimes.com/files/imagecache/story-gallery-featured/20140312/japress123e.jpg


Updates and information have been chaotic. All kind of speculation and rumours have been flying about. This is bad, which is why we have requested for the Malaysian authorities to disseminate information promptly and accurately. At the same time, I request that the media do not aid in any hearsay so as to help control the chaos...

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/china-envoy-says-families-mh370-passengers-need-fast-accurate-

[Atlas]

A Vietnamese search crew came up empty after searching the Vung Tau area in the nation’s southeast in response to a tip from an oil-rig worker who said he spotted what appeared to be a plane on fire. That was the area where a plane reported metal debris earlier this week, according to Vietnam’s Civil Aviation Authority.

“Nothing found today, but maybe something will pop up tomorrow,” Le Minh Thanh, deputy commander of Vietnam’s Navy, said in a briefing in Phu Quoc.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-11/malaysia-probes-hijack-to-sabotage-terror-not-ruled-out.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiiXNGiCUAEHzxP.jpg:large

[Operator]

There's another thread about a UFO over the Ukraine. Even though some of the article that was cited about the "Dreadnought" was bogus, could there really be a craft in use that was built on earth that could destroy a 777 including its black box without leaving a trace?

Yes, something like that ... the Iranians have demonstrated that they are able to pick the most sophisticated drones out
of the air like they were fresh berries on a bush. The moment they take over the target is wrapped in a 'bubble', no signal
goes in, no signal comes out. That complete 'system' becomes one and is landed as one ...

I am not sure it was used here (and by them) but the technology evidently seems to exist.
Perhaps this is a demonstration of some sort and maybe one day we'll see the airplane back in one piece (would be nice!).
And yes, that's some scary game-changing technology ...

Wow, it can be even a far stranger scenario ... I just read the update on http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

Jim Stone says (summarized) that the plane can be made to disappear from radar by an AWACS plane nearby and
that it is then hijacked to go elsewhere.

How about the technology I mentioned above is abused to falsely put the airliner in Iran or North Korea to blame them?
Question is which parties are able to use AWACS planes ... :p

[Elainie]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/12/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140312


(Reuters) - Malaysia's military has traced what could have been the jetliner missing for almost five days to an area south of the Thai holiday island of Phuket, hundreds of miles from its last known position, the country's air force chief said on Wednesday.

[Tesseract]

Authorities are now investigating a UFO that was in the vicinity at the fateful hour.


Air force chief Rodzali Daud said authorities were investigating an unidentified flying object about 320 kilometres north-west of the Malaysian state of Penang around the time the plane vanished early Saturday.

That is hundreds of kilometres to the west of the plane's planned flight path between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-12/malaysia-airlines-mh370-authorities-deny-chaos-missing-plane/5316886

EDIT: The context of the UFO may be that it MAY have been the missing flight itself, see link below. Is the retracted radar claim now unretracted?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/12/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140312

[Atlas]

An article on chinatimes.com (http://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20140308003502-260401) dated 20:25 on March 8, 2014 mentions SOS signals:


另外，美國駐華大使館稱，淩晨2點43分美軍駐紮在泰國烏塔堡軍事基地曾監聽到一段馬來西亞航空公司MH370航班緊急呼叫的SOS信號，客機駕駛員呼叫稱機艙面臨解體，他們要迫降.

"Furthermore, according to the US Embassy, at 2:43 in the morning, American military personnel stationed at U-Tapao Airforce Base received an emergency SOS transmission from Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370; the captain of the aircraft shouted that the cabin was disintegrating and the plane needed to make an emergency landing."

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1zx8m5/china_times_reports_that_the_us_embassy_said_the/

[syrwong]

It seems a disinformation campaign was ready to embark right at the beginning. That is why there is so much reports and denials. There appears to be a lot of information, and yet in reality very little information.

Apparently the Chinese Government was not happy with the Malaysian authority when they complained they should speed up the search. I think there is be more to it. Judging from the tradition distrust of the US government by the Malaysians, I think it is strange that they immediately accepted an FBI team to come to investigate while not doing much to help the Chinese.

I read from TV news that the Vietnamese withdrew all searches on the complain that the Malaysian authority did not supply them the neccessary information. If they are paying lip service to the Chinese and Vietnamese governments, what is going on?

Even the officer who gave news conferences appears to have a lot to hide. When asked to describe the looks of the two men who used stolen passports, he dismissed they were Asians, reluctant to say more, and on pressed,he compared one to the very black Boletelli football star!

The whole area is quite populated, there is never a shortage of eyewitnesses if the plane flew low. It must have, if we don't suppose a high and dark technolgy. Why is there so scanty eyewitness/whistlle blower reports, and those few appears more like disinformation?

I think there is a huge conspiracy going on.

[Atlas]

Iranian Lawmaker Blames U.S. for Plane Disappearance (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/iranian-lawmaker-dismisses-blame-attached-to-flight-370/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1)

On Tuesday, an influential Iranian lawmaker accused the United States of having “kidnapped” Flight 370, saying it was an attempt to “sabotage the relationship between Iran and China and South East Asia.”

The parliamentarian, Hossein Naghavi Hosseini, who is the spokesman for the foreign policy committee, responded to the news on Tuesday that two Iranian nationals had been traveling on the missing flight holding stolen passports. This accusation was a “plot,” Mr. Naghavi Hosseini said, according to the Tasnim news agency.

http://img7.irna.ir/1392/13920803/2339508/2339508-3397111.jpg


Documents published by the Western media about two Iranians getting on the plane without passports is psychological warfare. Americans recruit some people for such kinds of operations so they can throw the blame on other countries, especially Muslim countries.

[HaulinBananas]

Remote Viewer Gerald O Donnell sent out a message regarding the missing plane last night to his subscribers - it is on his website at:

http://probablefuture.com/Be-or-Not-Be.htm

" Dear friends:

An unusual and still mysterious event has occurred with an airliner which perceptually vanished over S.E. Asia. . . . . . . "

at the bottom of the same page is a 19 minute mp3 file - apparently this was channeled information.

[Operator]

Iranian Lawmaker Blames U.S. for Plane Disappearance (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/11/iranian-lawmaker-dismisses-blame-attached-to-flight-370/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1)

On Tuesday, an influential Iranian lawmaker accused the United States of having “kidnapped” Flight 370, saying it was an attempt to “sabotage the relationship between Iran and China and South East Asia.”

The parliamentarian, Hossein Naghavi Hosseini, who is the spokesman for the foreign policy committee, responded to the news on Tuesday that two Iranian nationals had been traveling on the missing flight holding stolen passports. This accusation was a “plot,” Mr. Naghavi Hosseini said, according to the Tasnim news agency.

http://img7.irna.ir/1392/13920803/2339508/2339508-3397111.jpg


Documents published by the Western media about two Iranians getting on the plane without passports is psychological warfare. Americans recruit some people for such kinds of operations so they can throw the blame on other countries, especially Muslim countries.

Ok, that sounds like a possible scenario with the blanks filled in from post 207 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69217-Boeing-disappears-in-flight-with-239-passengers&p=808124&viewfull=1#post808124)

[Roisin]

Remote Viewer Gerald O Donnell sent out a message regarding the missing plane last night to his subscribers - it is on his website at:

http://probablefuture.com/Be-or-Not-Be.htm

" Dear friends:

An unusual and still mysterious event has occurred with an airliner which perceptually vanished over S.E. Asia. . . . . . . "

at the bottom of the same page is a 19 minute mp3 file - apparently this was channeled information.

I've never heard of this person but it's nice to see an RVer who also gets information from intelligences from realms outside of our own. But I'm always leery of those who call themselves channelers even though the information I receive is sent to me telepathically too. I'm checking out his site though and will listen to his recording on this topic. Thanks for sharing! :)

[Atlas]

I'm checking out his site though and will listen to his recording on this topic.

I listened to the mp3, he didn't find the plane, he is not a RVer, he is a channeler.

[Virma De Ris]

I was talking with my husband about the mystery surrounding the flight. I've told him since the first time I saw the news that it reminded me about the Back to the Future scene when Doc Brown first got the Delorian to disappear from their current space/time reality. Today I remembered a scene from the TV series The Event. It's the one on this link:

zpxIOZm9hZs

"They" like to perform before us, right?

If I remember correctly the airplane in the TV series appeared in a desert, Nevada maybe? Anyway, aliens living on Earth moved the plane before it crashed.

[Atlas]

An article on chinatimes.com (http://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20140308003502-260401) dated 20:25 on March 8, 2014 mentions SOS signals:


另外，美國駐華大使館稱，淩晨2點43分美軍駐紮在泰國烏塔堡軍事基地曾監聽到一段馬來西亞航空公司MH370航班緊急呼叫的SOS信號，客機駕駛員呼叫稱機艙面臨解體，他們要迫降.

"Furthermore, according to the US Embassy, at 2:43 in the morning, American military personnel stationed at U-Tapao Airforce Base received an emergency SOS transmission from Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370; the captain of the aircraft shouted that the cabin was disintegrating and the plane needed to make an emergency landing."

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1zx8m5/china_times_reports_that_the_us_embassy_said_the/


June 5, 2012: US suspected of using U-Tapao airport in Rayong for secret military purposes (http://www.examiner.com/article/us-suspected-of-using-u-tapao-airport-rayong-for-secret-military-purposes)
Jun 6, 2012: US denies secret plans for U-Tapao (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/296742/us-denies-secret-plans-for-u-tapao)
June 25, 2012: U.S. Plans for U-Tapao Airfield Cause Stir (http://blogs.wsj.com/searealtime/2012/06/25/u-s-plans-for-u-tapao-airfield-cause-stir/)

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-TM764_navalb_E_20120625034229.jpg
General Martin Dempsey shakes hands with Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra

Is Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight Involved With Secret NASA and Pentagon Activities in U-Tapao, Thailand? (http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/utapao)

[Roisin]

I'm checking out his site though and will listen to his recording on this topic.

I listened to the mp3, he didn't find the plane, he is not a RVer, he is a channeler.

Thanks for the info on that.

[Harley]

Just now received this via email:


A Chinese satellite has observed a suspected crash area at sea.

That's all it said. Will post immediately if I receive more.

[HaulinBananas]

I'm checking out his site though and will listen to his recording on this topic.

I listened to the mp3, he didn't find the plane, he is not a RVer, he is a channeler.

No, he didn't find the plane, but his theory as to the disappearance is offered. I listened to the mp3, and it is simply the source information to the exact transcription offered on that page.

However, he does do RV as well, even teaches it, and is well known as a Remote Viewer. His website has information on his courses, links to numerous interviews he has done, videos, etc - all related to RV. He does have more of a spiritual leaning though.

I am not a "believer" of his views, but I do listen and add his information to all the other information offered by a variety of people with different leanings, or agendas.

Since the topic of this thread was the missing airliner, I added his information.

There is no need to spend time listening to the mp3 at the bottom of his page, as it is transcribed exactly right above it. I listened to the mp3 and read the transcription at the same time. Matched up.

But, he is known as a Remote Viewer, as well as a teacher of Remote Viewing. However, this posting on his page was Channeled, as is evident by the mp3 file he added at the bottom of the page.

[Atlas]

Just now received this via email:


A Chinese satellite has observed a suspected crash area at sea.

China releases satellite images of possible crash site (http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2014/mar/12/mh370-search-extended-into-andaman-sea-live-updates)

CNN has broadcast more details of the Chinese satellite images. It said they were published by the Chinese State Administration for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (SASTIND), and dated March 9. They show a suspected crash site in the South China Sea, not far off the plane’s projected flight path. They show three large pieces at sea, the largest of which, according to SASTIND, measured 24m by 27m.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/12/1394657491578/a2f5fb6a-2799-4715-95d8-57c5aed39341-620x372.jpeg

The Chinese agency gave coordinates of 105.63 east longitude, 6.7 north latitude, which would put it in waters northeast of where it took off in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and south of Vietnam.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BijkNg1CIAAiI6L.jpg:large

[KiwiElf]

It's showing as Breaking News on CNN now; large pieces of wreckage - which may or may not be the Malaysia plane - have been photographed by Chinese satellites to the South East of where they originally lost contact with the aircraft.

[Roisin]

Thanks for your feedback on that Haulin... looking at his site now and it's very interesting. Will listen to that recording.

[Earth Angel]

this is interesting......I am not familiar with Bill Still however, he thinks the plane may have been hijacked and may be used to attack Israel

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[Atlas]

http://trendypie.com/scripts/images/443861426357436417.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.60.1/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png

12 March 2014 Last updated at 22:00

Malaysia Airlines MH370: China in new 'debris' clue


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not sure if this is the same vid as on below link. Could be ?

Vid on link....Its not working at the moment probably due
to being busy....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26554875


Chinese officials suggest the images may show pieces of wreckage


Satellite images of possible debris from the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370
have been released on a Chinese government website.

The three images show what appear to be large, floating objects in the South China
Sea. Previous sightings of possible debris have proved fruitless.

The China-bound plane went missing on Friday with 239 people on board.

It vanished about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur as it flew south of
Vietnam's Ca Mau peninsula.

No distress signal or message were sent.

The three images are:

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73541000/png/_73541784_303252.png

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73545000/png/_73545575_303251.png

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73545000/png/_73545577_303253.png



The images were taken on Sunday, a day after the plane disappeared, but were
only released on Wednesday on the website of China's State Administration for Science.

Map co-ordinates place the objects in the South China Sea east of Malaysia and off
the southern tip of Vietnam.

China's official Xinhua news agency says the largest of the objects measures about 24m x 22m (78ft x 72ft).

'All right, roger that'

China has deployed several high-resolution satellites - controlled from the Xian
Satellite Control Centre in northern China - to help search for the jet, the People's
Liberation Army said on Tuesday.

Earlier, Malaysian authorities revealed that the last communication from the jet
suggested everything was normal on board.

Flight MH370 replied "All right, roger that" to a radio message from Malaysian air
control, authorities said. Minutes later all contact with the plane was lost.

China's foreign ministry has complained that there is "too much confusion"
regarding information released about the plane's flight path.

There were 153 Chinese nationals on the flight.

"It is very hard for us to decide whether a given piece of information is accurate,"
spokesman Qin Gang told reporters in Beijing.

Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein dismissed the allegations and
said that Malaysia would "never give up hope" of finding the plane's passengers and crew.

"It's only confusion if you want it to be seen as confusion," he told a press
conference.

"I think it's not a matter of chaos. There are a lot of speculations that we have
answered in the last few days," he added.

Earlier on Wednesday, Malaysia's air force chief Rodzali Daud denied remarks
attributed to him in local media that the flight had been tracked by military radar to
the Malacca Strait, far west of its planned route.

Gen Rodzali Daud said he "did not make any such statements", but added that the
air force had "not ruled out the possibility of an air turn-back".

Early search efforts focused on waters between Malaysia and Vietnam but the
search area has since been widened.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73522000/jpg/_73522823_china_malaysia_plane5_624.jpg

map
Are you in the area? Have you been affected by this story? You can share your views and experiences with us using this form:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26554875

[Atlas]

Peter Goelz, former managing director of the US federal National Transportation Safety Board, told CNN: "These (images) are the first solid piece of evidence we have that are on the correct flight path."

The US Navy reportedly has a destroyer already in the area and has deployed another vessel to investigate.

The Chinese agency provided no explanation why the images were only released on Wednesday.

US authorities cautioned the large objects may not be the wreckage as ships have been known to dump junk at sea in the past.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-crash-site-found-by-chinese-satellite/story-fnizu68q-1226853195656

[SilentFeathers]

If this is actually the wreckage, east-southeast of where it was said to be lost, and after they saying it "may have turned west" and all the other rumors generated.....well, the Malaysian officials are either numb and dumb and a bunch of idiots, or they are totally trying to cover something up (like a high-jacking).

Time will tell I suppose.....

Either way, this satellite photo isn't making much sense considering EVERYTHING we've been told so far.

[Atlas]

Passenger leaves ring, watch for toddler sons before disappearance (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/malaysian-airlines-passenger-leaves-ring-watch-toddlers-article-1.1717953)

Mechanical engineer Paul Weeks left his family behind in Australia, bound for a dream job in Mongolia. He gave his wedding ring and watch to wife Danica and said to give the marriage band to whoever of sons 3-year-old Lincoln and an 11-month-old Jack married first, 'if something should happen to me.'

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1717951.1394563152!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/ring12n-2-web.jpg

Before taking off on the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner for a new job in far off Mongolia, Paul Weeks took off his wedding ring and watch and handed them to his wife Danica.

“If something should happen to me then the wedding ring should go to the first son that gets married and the watch to the second,” Weeks said, the worried wife recalled.

Weeks, 39, is the father of 3-year-old Lincoln and an 11-month-old Jack. A former soldier from New Zealand, Weeks moved his family to Australia after their home in Christchurch was flattened by earthquakes.

Danica Weeks said her husband, a mechanical engineer, had just landed a “dream job” with Transwest Mongolia and had packed “lots of photos” of his family in his luggage.

Weeks was flying to Beijing, from where he was to take a connecting flight to the Mongolian capital, Ulan Bator. He was supposed to return home in a month.

[Agape]

If this is actually the wreckage, east-southeast of where it was said to be lost, and after they saying it "may have turned west" and all the other rumors generated.....well, the Malaysian officials are either numb and dumb and a bunch of idiots, or they are totally trying to cover something up (like a high-jacking).

Time will tell I suppose.....

Either way, this satellite photo isn't making much sense considering EVERYTHING we've been told so far.


It does make ( navigational ) sense . Not unless they confirm it anyway . My question is WHY satellite images from Sunday the 9th are only being released on Wednesday the 12th when it's all too late to save something.

[Elainie]

One image looks like the nose, the other one the wing portion and the other one fuselage (to my eyes at least). It seems consistent IMO.


"The objects aren't small: 13 by 18 meters (43 by 59 feet), 14 by 19 meters (46 by 62 feet) and 24 by 22 meters (79 feet by 72 feet). For reference, the wingspan of an intact Boeing 777-200ER like the one that disappeared is about 61 meters (200 feet) and its overall length is about 64 meters (210 feet)."

[Roisin]

How do we know if they weren't planted there? Why did China wait 3 days to show us these images? Including the press? Something's fishy here.

One expert in the CNN article on this said that those objects are too big and square to conform to anything on the plane. He's not in agreement with others who are saying that those objects could be part of the downed plane.

But they should go to that location to check things out anyway. Which, of course, I think they are going to do but just hope they haven't sunk by now as those photo's were taken days ago.

Ques: is that satellite still picking up the same objects now at this current time?

[Selene]

I suspect the three-day delay was simply because this finding was outside the original "official" search area - which shifted further west later. These images are east of the original search map - speaking out might have been judged 'irrelevant' or 'unhelpful' and the Chinese gov't would certainly not want to appear clueless, turning up with out-of-bounds data....

Just speculating.

Cheers,

Selene

[Cidersomerset]

How do we know if they weren't planted there? Why did China wait 3 days to show us these images? Including the press? Something's fishy here.

if it is the wreckage they must be able to find the black box, and remains . It will be interesting what happens next.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-irFRNw7_Ytk/UsXgXCTzApI/AAAAAAAALuk/zedWUWyUAnc/s1600/1.jpg

[Roisin]

Well at least they have the coordinates and I will keep saying my rosaries in hopes that they find that box and the plane. I'm in tears every time I read about what those family members have been going through. What a tragedy!

[Elainie]

This comment is on Facebook on Malaysia Airlines page:

"Orkun Altintaş My cousin from the army,This information is confidential.Malaysia military aircraft struck.They fear that the Chinese government.was placed into the jamming aircraft.Concealing information.Plane is found, but it is hiding.This is a BİG game.Be realistic.They closed up the facts.
FALLING THIS AIRCRAFT, IT REDUCED..."

[Atlas]

This comment is on Facebook on Malaysia Airlines page:

"Orkun Altintaş My cousin from the army,This information is confidential.Malaysia military aircraft struck.They fear that the Chinese government.was placed into the jamming aircraft.Concealing information.Plane is found, but it is hiding.This is a BİG game.Be realistic.They closed up the facts.
FALLING THIS AIRCRAFT, IT REDUCED..."

Can't find it. Can you provide a link or screenshot ?

[Cidersomerset]

The three images show what appear to be large, floating objects in the South China
Sea. Previous sightings of possible debris have proved fruitless.

This came to mind, I don't know how rubbish polluted this area is ?

But general flotsam seems to be on the rise everywhere.


NOAA Ocean Today video: 'Our Debris Filling the Sea'

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[Elainie]

Buares- it is this page; https://www.facebook.com/malaysiaairlines

under this thread: [#MASalert] Caregivers deployed at 5 stations with at least one caregiver & translator assigned to each family - http://bit.ly/MH370updates

[Atlas]

Thanks, found it.

The poster is Orkun Altintaş (https://www.facebook.com/altintas.orkun.9) from Istanbul, Turkey.
https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-frc3/t1/c0.0.160.160/p160x160/1656320_216857255182927_760316776_n.jpg

He is answering Dirk Borgsmiller's comment: Have to really wonder what is going on with Malaysia military. Only today decide to release details of tracking the plane back over the Malay peninsula. Have thousands of people and resources focused on wrong area. Why?


This comment is on Facebook on Malaysia Airlines page:

"Orkun Altintaş My cousin from the army,This information is confidential.Malaysia military aircraft struck.They fear that the Chinese government.was placed into the jamming aircraft.Concealing information.Plane is found, but it is hiding.This is a BİG game.Be realistic.They closed up the facts.
FALLING THIS AIRCRAFT, IT REDUCED..."

[Elainie]

Major Ed Dames
3 hrs ·
Just got back after being out on another field assignment. As you can imagine, I have received several messages about flight MA #370. But the real question is not “where” the plane is, but rather "what happened". Next weekend is a very important live event that I’m currently preparing for so I may pass this project on to the RV Community to set up a few cues and runs the targets. As some of you know, we’ve done a few of these types of targets in the past including sessions related to downed aviator Steve Fossett in which I have included the prediction video below. A year later after our live prediction on national radio, our information was confirmed on national news…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9gEzDYgaw8

Remote Viewing Steve Fossett (Ed Dames)
Learn Remote Viewing today at www.LearnRV.com. This rare interview with Major Ed Dames reveals the shocking truth surrounding the disappearance of Steve Foss...
YOUTUBE.COM|BY RVPRODUCTS

[Harley]

01.15 Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, has said Malaysia had not been officially informed by China about the satellite images, which he said he was learning about from the news. He said if Beijing informs them of the coordinates, Malaysia will dispatch vessels and planes immediately.

"If we get confirmation, we will send something,” he told the Associate Press news agency. Until then, he urged caution. “There have been lots of reports of suspected debris.” - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10687223/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-plane-crash-live.html

Note to Self: NEVER FLY WITH MALAYSIA!

[Roisin]

01.15 Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, has said Malaysia had not been officially informed by China about the satellite images, which he said he was learning about from the news. He said if Beijing informs them of the coordinates, Malaysia will dispatch vessels and planes immediately.

"If we get confirmation, we will send something,” he told the Associate Press news agency. Until then, he urged caution. “There have been lots of reports of suspected debris.” - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10687223/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-plane-crash-live.html

Note to Self: NEVER FLY WITH MALAYSIA!

So is it any wonder why that plane hasn't been found yet? This is just.... unbelievable.

[Gardener]

China had this satelite picture 4 days ago???? I guess they were under a lot of pressure to get closure!

[gripreaper]

Look, if you have a thin dime sitting in your driveway, rest assured, satellite can see it. I call total :bs: on any reports stating that they don't know EXACTLY what happened, and where.

[Operator]

Major Ed Dames
3 hrs ·
... Next weekend is a very important live event that I’m currently preparing for ..

Says the teacher of Courtney Brown ... :madgrin:


01.15 Malaysia’s civil aviation chief, Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, has said Malaysia had not been officially informed by China about the satellite images, which he said he was learning about from the news. He said if Beijing informs them of the coordinates, Malaysia will dispatch vessels and planes immediately.

"If we get confirmation, we will send something,” he told the Associate Press news agency. Until then, he urged caution. “There have been lots of reports of suspected debris.” - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10687223/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-plane-crash-live.html

Note to Self: NEVER FLY WITH MALAYSIA!


China had this satelite picture 4 days ago???? I guess they were under a lot of pressure to get closure!


Look, if you have a thin dime sitting in your driveway, rest assured, satellite can see it. I call total :bs: on any reports stating that they don't know EXACTLY what happened, and where.

Yes, I heard on MSM that the Chinese have these images since last Sunday ... are they deliberately creating the noise
that Courtney was talking about ? Is that why Ed Dames says it is more important why the plane is missing ? :eyebrows:

[Tesseract]

Former director of NTSB says the objects in the satellite images are most likely not the missing aircraft. [watch video]

I too, struggle to see how you could get a bigger than 20 x 20 m square from a 777 jet - unless there are multiple large fragments clumped together somehow.

http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/12/china-satellite-images-may-show-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/

[andresrx1782]

Look, if you have a thin dime sitting in your driveway, rest assured, satellite can see it. I call total :bs: on any reports stating that they don't know EXACTLY what happened, and where.

Of course is bull, you cannot turn off all the tracking technology, disappear completely from ground radar, have two happy go lucky guys with fake passports on the plane, and tell me that a blurred square floating god knows where is the wreckage of an airplane. Let's pray for the departed and pursue the truth.

[Harley]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10687223/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-plane-crash-live.html

03.40 Chinese Premier Li Keqiang has said as long as there remains a “glimmer of hope” China will not stop the search for the missing plane and called for the “relevant party” to step up coordination.

"This is an international and large-scale search operation involving many countries. The Chinese government has asked the relevant party to enhance coordination, investigate the cause, locate the missing plane as quickly as possible and properly handle all related matters,” Li told reporters.

The so-far fruitless search for the plane entered its sixth day on Thursday, and China has dispatched multiple aircraft, ships and satellite in the multinational search mission.


Geesh, I hate to be the one to start another conspiracy theory but the redirect of the search in the opposite direction by an unsubstantiated report made by an unnamed official in the Malaysian military . . . The huge circus and goat-rope going on between the Malaysian civil and military authorities . . . And what looks like the apparent reluctance of the Malaysian Military to return to the original search area to follow up on the Chinese satellite report?

Yeah, read between the lines.

Far more shocking things have come to be known as facts in the past.