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Rocky_Shorz

17th March 2014, 15:06

that was the largest quake in 20+ years...

did anyone else feel it?

edited to add...

I'm going to keep this thread rolling to keep track of LA Quakes and discussion on possible causes...

Fracking
Sun Energy
HAARP

Tesla_WTC_Solution

17th March 2014, 16:45

That's not good, you just felt one in LA??

Good grief. :( I am supposed to be driving across the state soon, lol

mgray

17th March 2014, 17:22

If the treat of sanctioning Russia draws a 4.4, what happens when it goes to a full-court press? LOL

ghostrider

17th March 2014, 23:35

The big ones down in Chile could be sending a wave up north to an already fragile plate off the California/Oregon coast ...

Tesla_WTC_Solution

18th March 2014, 02:38

U know what's funny?

I got here to the EQ zone (Seattle) and found out this evening my MANDATORY court appearance was cancelled.
They say I am ok, I say we are ****ed!

Rocky_Shorz

22nd March 2014, 07:30

If the threat of sanctioning Russia draws a 4.4, what happens when it goes to a full-court press? LOL

2 - 5.2

Report date: 01:59:39 AM 22.03.2014
Magnitude: 5.2
Depth: 13 km
Continent: North-America
Country: United States
State: California
Location: Mojave

Report date: 12:58:17 AM 22.03.2014
Magnitude: 5.2
Depth: 10 km
Continent: Middle-America
Country: Mexico
State: Sonora
Location: Puerto Penasco

Rocky_Shorz

29th March 2014, 04:14

we felt that one in San Diego, LA must have rocked 5.4

superconsciousness

29th March 2014, 04:17

We'll be out there next month...organizing an ET retreat mid-April out in Joshua Tree. Anyone interested - if so, send a PM to this account.

Wind

29th March 2014, 04:42

we felt that one in San Diego, LA must have rocked 5.4

See these, Rocky.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

WmxruhxyHck

Tesla_WTC_Solution

29th March 2014, 06:15

5.1-magnitude earthquake hits Los Angeles area
By Ben Brumfield and Alan Duke, CNN
updated 1:35 AM EDT, Sat March 29, 2014

Los Angeles (CNN) -- A 5.1-magnitude earthquake hit the Los Angeles area Friday night, the USGS reported.
The epicenter was in Orange County near Fullerton, but it rattled residents in nearby areas as well, including Hollywood Hills.
The shaking could be felt for about 15 seconds, and was followed by several aftershocks.
One minor injury was reported in Orange County, emergency officials said.
The USGS had earlier reported it as a 5.4-magnitude, but later downgraded it to 5.1.
The epicenter of the temblor was one mile east of La Habra and four miles north of Fullerton, the U.S. Geological Survey said.
"Tonight's earthquake is the second in two weeks, and reminds us to be prepared," Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti said.
Hours before, a 3.6-magnitude tremor hit the same spot, according to the USGS.
Over a week ago, a 4.4-magnitude quake hit about 15 miles north of downtown Los Angeles at around dawn.
Friday's quake was stronger and shook longer.
Twenty years ago, a 6.7-magnitude killed 57 people in the greater Los Angeles area and caused $42 billion in damage.
CNN's Joe Sutton contributed to this report

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/29/us/california-earthquake/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Rocky_Shorz

29th March 2014, 21:42

a 4.5 just hit close to yesterdays quake after today's X flare that was earth directed...

ML 4.5
Region GREATER LOS ANGELES AREA, CALIF.
Date time 2014-03-29 21:32:46.0 UTC
Location 33.96 N ; 117.89 W
Depth 9 km
Distances 34 km E of Los Angeles, United States / pop: 3,792,621 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29
24 km N of Santa Ana, United States / pop: 324,528 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29
2 km SE of Rowland Heights, United States / pop: 48,993 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29

Bob

29th March 2014, 21:57

greybeard

29th March 2014, 22:02

This may help.
Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgHmD5ATl68

Rocky_Shorz

29th March 2014, 22:03

our daily discussion on sun activity is usually this thread... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29825-Sun-Stuff-What-s-up-&p=815560&viewfull=1#post815560)

in my signature "charts" is quick access with a click on what is currently going on with energies from the sun, but that link goes to current activities

those dirty lil Frackers are happy I found something other than their operations causing quakes... ;)

Bob

29th March 2014, 22:54

I see the UTC timing of the FLARE was 1746 UTC, the cited quake was "Date time 2014-03-29 21:32:46.0 UTC"

I see the report says: there is no determination at this time if this flare from Sunspot AR2017 will hit the earth.

http://spaceweather.com/images2014/29mar14/m9.jpg?PHPSESSID=sd5n6kolv95nuc70loanugppv2
(UV-Flash image from SDO)

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ - Region 2017 produced a R3 (Strong) Solar Flare Radio Blackout event at 1748 UTC (1:48 p.m. EDT) on March 29th. This event was very impulsive or short-lived and impulsive events are not generally associated with significant coronal mass ejections. Forecasters are currently awaiting coronograph imagery to see what, if anything may be expected for geomagnetic storming as a result. Stay tuned for updates."

I have been tracking the solar particle flux, Earth geomagnetic, solar wind, and CME's with respect to if there is any correlation with the volcanic activity, seismic activity in Ecuador. So I stay up on this.

I didn't find anything anywhere tying the 1746/8 UTC event on the sun from that sunspot to the timing of the California event mentioned in post 11 and my question in post 12.

When I checked the seismic reports in Ecuador for the 4 volcanoes I am monitoring I did not see any spike, no peak, nada on the time indicated in the UV spike graphic for the 1746/8 event.

I would call it premature at this point to say this event caused the California activity.

With no CME showing up, no seismic correlation to the solar event, I don't get what would "have heated up anything" in the California fault zones at this time window to create a seismic shock or slip in the plates.

Bob

29th March 2014, 22:59

Would you show the Forum the LINK Rocky, for that "X" class - I would like to see what sunspot it came out of, if it came out of a sunspot.. Which sunspot number?

Thank you so much :wave:

a 4.5 just hit close to yesterdays quake after today's X flare that was earth directed...

ML 4.5
Region GREATER LOS ANGELES AREA, CALIF.
Date time 2014-03-29 21:32:46.0 UTC
Location 33.96 N ; 117.89 W
Depth 9 km
Distances 34 km E of Los Angeles, United States / pop: 3,792,621 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29
24 km N of Santa Ana, United States / pop: 324,528 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29
2 km SE of Rowland Heights, United States / pop: 48,993 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29

The big ones down in Chile could be sending a wave up north to an already fragile plate off the California/Oregon coast ...

I've been tracking this stuff and posting in the News Update sub-forums, the Ecuador Volcanoes, which are on the Ring of Fire that these are all part of. You can see what activity shows up and see the seismic reporting page for at least 30 days for all of Ecuador (it is relatively real time for events).

I tend to believe what GhostRider suggested about the events from down in S. America sending a wave up north. The volcanoes in Ecuador, and Mexico, Pan America do show this. To see earthquake activity happening from the Eureka region (northern California) earlier then reverberation down south in S. America, it makes good sense. The energy is much higher from plate fault slippage than any brief glancing x-ray flare (which only "rang" the ionosphere for a short period of time), or any man-made event like a low-powered (non-operating) radio transmitter that heats small parts of the ionosphere... (No fraking in Eureka, offshore) And no fraking in Ecuador, offshore where the big quake hit, and no fraking in Chile where that quake hit.)

I don't see any tie in, either with any human activity inducing it, or solar activity which wasn't energetic enough to melt any plates. If the plates melted deep in the earth due to a solar X-ray glancing flash as mentioned earlier in the thread, the people in California would be dead from being cooked by radiation. That did not happen. (Common sense..)

My suggestion would be, look for long duration Solar Earth Facing Coronal holes which produce constant low levels of particles directed into the earth, worldwide. If there then is an increase worldwide of earthquake activity during the coronal events, then one could derive a possible tie-in.

Rocky_Shorz

30th March 2014, 01:35

Earth is hit by the x-Ray energy 9 minutes after the flare lasting for the duration, when we are being hit by solar winds, it seems to combine to charge plates for quake releases.

the shock wave takes 3-6 days to arrive if it is earth directed but doesn't seem to effect quakes like the solar winds/X-Ray combo

the light purple shows the flare and duration almost 2 hours...
http://lasp.colorado.edu/eve/data_access/quicklook/quicklook_data/latest_3day.png
Energy is hitting these locations, the same as peak quake activity...
http://www.ips.gov.au/Images/Satellite/Total%20Electron%20Content/Regional%20Maps/World_tec.gif
http://www.ips.gov.au/Images/HF%20Systems/Global%20HF/Ionospheric%20Map/WorldIMap0.gif
http://static2.emsc.eu/Images/map_zoom/WEBMAPS/2W/TWORLD.2weeks.jpg?dt=1336796853393
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/Xray.gif

California has been so quiet for so long through the active sun, now recently it seems like the plate is charge and releasing, 2 M flares yesterday and we had a 5+ in almost the same area.

fracking involved? most likely

but did you notice the swarms of quakes in Oklahoma?

again a fracking area, getting hit by the same energies as California...

don't quote me, I'm just thinking out loud... ;)

Newser) – More than 100 aftershocks have followed yesterday's magnitude-5.1 earthquake in southern California, including a magnitude-4.1 rumble this afternoon. The moderate earthquake yesterday forced several dozen people in one community out of their homes after firefighters discovered foundation problems that made the buildings unsafe to enter, authorities said today.

Fire crews red-tagged 20 apartment units in a building in the Orange County city of Fullerton after finding a major foundation crack. Structural woes including broken chimneys and leaning were uncovered in half a dozen single-family houses, which were also deemed unsafe to occupy until building inspectors clear the structures. The damage displaced 83 residents. Despite the evacuations, yesterday's quake, centered about 25 miles south of downtown Los Angeles, mostly frayed nerves.

link (http://www.newser.com/story/184529/strong-aftershock-rattles-southern-california.html)

Bob

30th March 2014, 02:01

More likely the ring of fire chain, with the events coming up from South America are more like it.

This has been building since February 1 and it's documented on the Ecuador volcano threads. the x-ray energy wasn't apparently strong enough other than to create a temporary ionization change that affected radio communications.

What has tracked with eruption and seismic activity enhancement is Solar coronal HOLES earth-facing, which had the CONSTANT (many days of activity) particle stream that had to be absorbed, and it was that most likely that evoked sliding and melting, and subsequent earthquake and volcanic activity. This has been documented over the last month with the Ecuadorian volcanoes I have been following.

NB: There haven't been earth facing coronal holes for a while now.. so there isn't a sufficient excess particle energy (calorically speaking) from the sun to evoke such melting/slipping.

I don't see it with these couple of major quakes in LA, and the after-shocks - and any solar activity currently happening as glancing events, really I don't believe is sufficiently earth affecting enough to melt plates. The events are too transient as cited on the solar observatory websites.. I think what you are seeing is coincidental, considering the timing is sufficiently OFF from the x-ray "flash".

Staying on the point, I don't believe there has been "high-pressure fraking" under LA, Rocky.. :rofl:

fracking involved? most likely

but did you notice the swarms of quakes in Oklahoma?

again a fracking area, getting hit by the same energies as California...

don't quote me, I'm just thinking out loud...

OK..

ED Note: Acid well stimulation, in California doesn't go down to the depth this quake was (4.6 miles), and high pressure "North Dakota" style fraking isn't going on in California on top of an active fault zone. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-100-aftershocks-los-angeles-area-after-5-1-quake-n66721

From the California department of Conservation - http://www.conservation.ca.gov/index/earthquakes/Pages/qh_earthquakes.aspx -

"What causes an earthquake? Earthquakes occur when the two sides of a fault slip suddenly against each other. The Pacific and North American plates move past each other about 1.5 inches a year.

"The friction between the plates causes stress, which is released when the blocks of crust slip suddenly along a fault plane. That releases waves of energy that travel through the ground, causing the shaking you feel.

"How common are faults in California? There are hundreds of identified faults in California; about 200 are considered potentially hazardous based on their slip rates in recent geological time (the last 10,000 years). More than 70 percent of the state's population resides within 30 miles of a fault where high ground shaking could occur in the next 50 years."

from: http://www.decodedscience.com/m4-4-m3-9-earthquakes-strike-north-los-angeles-16-17-march-2014/43719 -

"It’s been a shaky week in California. Monday 10 March saw the north of the state rocked by the largest tremblor for years – an M6.8 off Cape Mendocino and its many aftershocks – and a couple of days later, Californians felt a tremor of M4.4 in the Sierra Nevada.
On Sunday 16 it was the turn of the populated coastal strip to feel the force of the planet with a relative tiddler of just M3.9 25km from Santa Clarita. And Monday 17 saw an M4.4 event strike just north of Santa Monica. Although there were no reports of damage or injuries at the time of writing, USGS maps indicate that the tremor was felt across much of Los Angeles."

Basically the above explains this has been going on since the 10th of March, and there were no solar events triggering them.

"Very many earthquakes occur throughout California on a daily basis. A map of seismicity in the area over the last week clearly illustrates this.
It’s possible to pick out the fault lines in the state; but those lines are not the only locations for tremors. (And, incidentally, the line of earthquakes along the western margin of the Sierra Nevada indicates another smaller tectonic block)."

Here on this page, a good illustration of the faulting that happens in California -
http://www.tinynet.com/faults.html

From the USGS - it explains that the quakes in this area have happened before - http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/ci15481673#summary

The event was felt widely throughout Orange, Los Angeles, Ventura, Riverside, and San Bernardino counties. It was preceded by two foreshocks, a M3.6 at 8:03pm and a M2.1 at 8:16 pm.

There have been 38 aftershocks as of 10:45pm, the largest of which was a M3.6 at 9:30pm, and was felt locally near the epicenter. The aftershock sequence may continue for several days to weeks, but will likely decay in frequency and magnitude as time goes by.

The maximum observed instrumental intensity was VII, recorded in the LA Habra and Brea areas, although the ShakeMap shows a wide area of maximum intensity of VI. The maximum reported intensity for the Community Internet Intensity Map (Did You Feel It?) was reported at VI in the epicentral area.

This sequence could be associated with the Puente Hills thrust (PHT). The PHT is a blind thrust fault that extends from this region to the north and west towards the City of Los Angeles.

It caused the M5.9 1987 Oct. 1 Whittier Narrows earthquake.

Previously, the M5.4 2008 Chino Hills earthquake occurred in this region. It caused somewhat stronger shaking in Orange County and across the Los Angeles Basin. "

As far as where are the OIL WELLS - in the area, this map was drawn up as of 2011
http://earthconsultants.com/cms/pdf/Yeats2010_10066AnnualReport_sm.pdf by Earth Consultants who were responsible of providing historical data on the depth of faults, analysis of oil well logs..

http://chanlo.com/images/LA-1.jpg

As you can see, the oil wells are no where near the La Habra Syncline. To assume that old wells would all the sudden be responsible for a current set of quakes in a natural earthquake prone area simply one cannot connect those dots.

What the oil logging did show was that the area has faults which ARE capable of quaking due to the reverse slippage at depth, and folding slippage at shallower depths. In other words, this area can fault due to the pressure from the hills.

Rocky_Shorz

30th March 2014, 02:10

Bob

30th March 2014, 02:27

this is California, I wouldn't laugh too hard... (http://fullertonrag.com/2014/03/05/fullerton-oil-wells-are-being-acidized-find-out-more-at-march-15-event/)

March 19, 2014 4:17 PM
Los Angeles City Council Blames Fracking for Earthquake...

“It is crucial to the health and safety of the City’s residents to understand the seismic impacts of oil and gas extraction activities in the City,” the motion says. “All high-pressure fracking and injection creates ‘seismic events.’ . . . Active oil extraction activities are reportedly taking place on the Veteran’s Administration grounds in West Los Angeles, nearby the epicenter of the March 17, 2014, 4.4 earthquake.” link (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/373717/los-angeles-city-council-blames-fracking-earthquake-alec-torres)

maybe it's the new Noah movie not being religious enough...

everyone better step away from Hollywood...

Do you even know what acidizing is? It's like pouring hydrochloric acid in one's cesspool to get the crap loosed up so it will flow..

High pressure fraking as is done in North Dakota Williston Basin wasn't done anywhere UNDER LA or the earthquake areas..

From your "Link" - the quake is DEEP which coincides with the ring of fire events, not shallow fraking events.. “My first impression is that sounds implausible,” seismologist Lucy Jones said. “The earthquake was so deep. Induced earthquakes are almost always shallower than this.”

I wish you would study fraking, go on site as I HAVE up in Williston, Dickenson North Dakota, and see for yourself, talk to the engineers, talk to the people there to get their own historical perspective over the 30 or so years they have been watching all that stuff in action. I've spent 5 years now being on-sites first hand.

When you can do that, my feeling is the education would be immeasurable and you could relay to all of us how fraking really works, what is the difference between nitro-fracking, proppant fracking, high pressure gas fracking, or liquid fracking, or simple acid clean the pipes stimulation..

Rocky_Shorz

30th March 2014, 02:34

at least take the time to look at the map, zoom in to all the red dots and yes, it is La Habra, in the center of these quake swarms...

just a coincidence I guess...

Bob

30th March 2014, 02:46

at least take the time to look at the map, zoom in to all the red dots and yes, it is La Habra, in the center of these quake swarms...

just a coincidence I guess...

http://http//maps.fractracker.org/latest/?webmap=99ae030fd5844eadb3d14398cbcdafbd

The link doesn't work, and this is I think moving towards off topic.. There is NO high pressure fracking happening in the area, that has ANY capability of triggering a DEEP earthquake.

Please research what a deep earthquake is, and what a shallow local and deep earthquake is - you may want to start at: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=18&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CNgBEBYwEQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.idosi.org%2Frjes%2Frjes4(2)12%2F5.pdf&ei=CYU3U8-1E8H6qAHY5YG4Dg&usg=AFQjCNERc478KdiQsZLLArv6BpMAhijHrw&sig2=Osti3rxNrnyl5Aw15fPHxQ - it should open up this PDF: http://www.idosi.org/rjes/rjes4(2)12/5.pdf

I would think if you want to start a NO-FRAKING thread that would be a great and I would love to hear more.

--Peace

PS: the OP said this:

Default Los Angeles Earthquake - 4.7 Mag
that was the largest quake in 20+ years...

did anyone else feel it?

and nothing more - if the intent was to tie an X-ray flash was inducing the quake(s), or to discuss fraking I would have certainly appreciated some more information in the OP that was specific.

AS it was written its asks did anyone feel it and it was large. I should say NO I didn't feel it.

I did ask a question about the statement of solar activity, (an x-ray flash) and found no-correlation nor anything proving that an X-ray flash would spike a quake hours afterwards.

Rocky_Shorz

30th March 2014, 03:24

http://maps.fractracker.org/latest/?webmap=99ae030fd5844eadb3d14398cbcdafbd

again, this is a discussion thread on earthquakes and possible affects that are causing the LA Quakes...

active fracking wells in the center of the quake swarms are worth investigating.

looking at the world maps where the sun energy is concentrated is the same as the active quake areas.

I'm not trying to teach anything to an expert, but wanted to share what I've learned with those who aren't...

Fairy Friend

30th March 2014, 03:31

I believe the Sun and the moon and fracking and of course convection currents in the core and the movement of the tectonic plates pressing against each other all causes quakes.

Fairy Friend

30th March 2014, 03:48

Fracking effects stabilization of the entire zone. Fracking done in Oklahoma destabilizes along the whole subduction zone which affects California and up along the East Coast believe it or not. These quakes were predicted and that's a lot of proof for me

Rocky_Shorz

30th March 2014, 05:22

what if you knew complaining about Chemtrails and Fracking causing quakes could land you in jail for life?

Koch Industries just bought Corrections Corporation of America...

right now we should expect our government to immediately react asking the fracking operations be idled until the quakes stop like they do on the Madrid fault-line.

LA council tried to react 10 days before the damaging quake caused by fracking, but they had no power to do anything. The destroyed buildings and homes should be sent as a bill to the fracking operators for carelessness. When you're fracking around a fault-line, you should be responsible.

Wind

30th March 2014, 12:22

Some videos to watch.

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superconsciousness

30th March 2014, 14:54

Instead of Joshua Tree, we're going to Point Doom State Beach in Malibu, CA for the nighttime retreat (https://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=Point+Dume+State+Beach&fb=1&gl=us&hq=point+doom). The best night would be on April 14th - the first of four blood moons slated for 2014-15:

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/highlights/April-2014-Total-Lunar-Eclipse-252931091.html

25404

If you want to attend, just show up with a lawn chair and whatever you want for the night...there should be plenty of folks to join us that night.

The last time I personally observed a blood moon was mid-May 2003 when ZetaTalk's Nancy Lieder unwittingly identified the date of the May 2003 blood moon as the imminent arrival of Planet X:
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEmono/TLE2003May15/TLE2003May15.html

25405

When I respectfully criticized Nancy's findings that same day, she promptly kicked me out of her little private forum group. People are still lapping up ZetaTalk and others on "the circuit" spewing forth distorted New Age dribble to keep the masses placated.

panopticon

30th March 2014, 15:37

What has tracked with eruption and seismic activity enhancement is Solar coronal HOLES earth-facing, which had the CONSTANT (many days of activity) particle stream that had to be absorbed, and it was that most likely that evoked sliding and melting, and subsequent earthquake and volcanic activity. This has been documented over the last month with the Ecuadorian volcanoes I have been following.

NB: There haven't been earth facing coronal holes for a while now.. so there isn't a sufficient excess particle energy (calorically speaking) from the sun to evoke such melting/slipping.

There is a wealth of scientific study available on the non-terrestrial factors affecting seismic activity and I've read a bit of material on it over the years as it interests me.

As Bobd rightly points out high speed particle streams from earth facing coronal holes are considered by many scientists as possible major contributors. As are solar flares, plasma density/velocity, position of the Moon relative to the magnetosphere (ie Full moon most interactive tidal forces etc during CME or coronal hole stream) and even cosmic ray density. All these variables need to be considered.

Plus, there is no reason to assume that an individual element of these influences can be correlated as a causing agent in every (or indeed any) instance. There could be a lag time between the cause and activity which is very difficult, if not impossible, to correlate. That having been said there have been studies that have shown a number of factors contributing to increased seismic activity.

We have identified two solar activity agents responsible for triggering earthquakes: coronal mass ejections which are the cause of the greatest geomagnetic disturbances around sunspot maximum, and high speed solar wind from solar coronal holes which lead to the second geomagnetic activity maximum in the sun-spot cycle. Coronal mass ejections lead to numerous weaker earthquakes at sunspot maximum, while high speed solar wind triggers the strongest earthquakes on the descending phase of the sunspot cycle.
Odintsov et al. 2006. 92.

They go on to give a possible series of events leading to an earthquake:

Therefore, a step by step schematic scenario of solar activity effects on seismic activity could include the following elements:

pressure pulses associated with high speed solar wind streams or CME driven shocks compress the magnetosphere,
the auroral electrojet strengthens,
the generated atmospheric gravity waves are transmitted downwards,
westward zonal winds strengthen,
surface air pressure changes,
the pressure balance on tectonic plates is disrupted and
if enough tension is accumulated, an earthquake is triggered.

Odintsov et al. 2006. 93.

Anyways, so as to not go on, here's some references for those who have an interest:

A really good old paper on the Luna/Solar effect:
Schneider 1967. Interaction of the Moon with the Earth's Magnetosphere (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1967SSRv....6..655S).

Simpson 1967. Solar Activity as a Triggering Mechanism for Earthquakes (http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2F0012-821x%2867%2990071-4).

Odintsov et al. 2006. Long-period trends in global seismic and geomagnetic activity and their relation to solar activity (http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Katya_Georgieva3/publication/248549966_Long-period_trends_in_global_seismic_and_geomagnetic_activity_and_their_relation_to_solar_activity/file/50463525862439d421.pdf).

Tavares & Azevedo 2011. Influences of solar cycles on earthquakes (http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx?paperID=5319).

Kovalyov & Kovalyov 2014. On the relationship between cosmic rays, solar activity and powerful earthquakes (http://arxiv-web3.library.cornell.edu/pdf/1403.5728v1.pdf).

NASA Introductions 2008. The Moon and the Magnetotail (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/moonmars/features/magnetotail_080416.html).

-- Pan

Rocky_Shorz

30th March 2014, 16:52

Would you show the Forum the LINK Rocky, for that "X" class - I would like to see what sunspot it came out of, if it came out of a sunspot.. Which sunspot number?

Thank you so much :wave:

a 4.5 just hit close to yesterdays quake after today's X flare that was earth directed...

ML 4.5
Region GREATER LOS ANGELES AREA, CALIF.
Date time 2014-03-29 21:32:46.0 UTC
Location 33.96 N ; 117.89 W
Depth 9 km
Distances 34 km E of Los Angeles, United States / pop: 3,792,621 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29
24 km N of Santa Ana, United States / pop: 324,528 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29
2 km SE of Rowland Heights, United States / pop: 48,993 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29

Morningsong posted what you were looking for...

Here's news from spaceweather.com:

SOLAR FLARE CAUSES RARE 'MAGNETIC CROCHET': On March 29th at 17:52 UT, the magnetic canopy of sunspot AR1890 erupted, producing a brief but intense X1-class solar flare. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded the extreme ultraviolet flash:

http://spaceweather.com/images2014/29mar14/x1_strip2.jpg

Radiation from the flare caused a surge in the ionization of Earth's upper atmosphere--and this led to a rare magnetic crochet, measuring 17 nT at the magnetometer in Boulder, Colorado.

A magnetic crochet is a ripple in Earth's magnetic field caused by electrical currents flowing in air 60 km to 100 km above our heads. Unlike geomagnetic disturbances that arrive with CMEs days after a flare, a magnetic crochet occurs while the flare is in progress. They tend to occur during fast impulsive flares like this one.

The explosion also hurled a CME into space: movie. The bulk of the CME is sailing north of the sun-Earth line, but there appears to be a faint Earth-directed component that could deliver a glancing blow to our planet's magnetic field on April 1-2.

More flares are possible this weekend. NOAA forecasters estimate a 55% chance of M-class flares and a 20% chance of X-class flares on March 30th.

The X-flare did produce a small proton flux:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/Proton.gif

..and it seems to have convinced the electron flux to get back on track:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/Electron.gif

I recently mentioned we need to weave the Sun Energy, isn't Crochet a fancy weave?

dang rookies... ;)

Bob

30th March 2014, 16:58

Would you show the Forum the LINK Rocky, for that "X" class - I would like to see what sunspot it came out of, if it came out of a sunspot.. Which sunspot number?

Thank you so much :wave:

a 4.5 just hit close to yesterdays quake after today's X flare that was earth directed...

ML 4.5
Region GREATER LOS ANGELES AREA, CALIF.
Date time 2014-03-29 21:32:46.0 UTC
Location 33.96 N ; 117.89 W
Depth 9 km
Distances 34 km E of Los Angeles, United States / pop: 3,792,621 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29
24 km N of Santa Ana, United States / pop: 324,528 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29
2 km SE of Rowland Heights, United States / pop: 48,993 / local time: 14:32:46.0 2014-03-29

Morningsong posted what you were looking for...

Here's news from spaceweather.com:

SOLAR FLARE CAUSES RARE 'MAGNETIC CROCHET': On March 29th at 17:52 UT, the magnetic canopy of sunspot AR1890 erupted, producing a brief but intense X1-class solar flare. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded the extreme ultraviolet flash:

http://spaceweather.com/images2014/29mar14/x1_strip2.jpg

Radiation from the flare caused a surge in the ionization of Earth's upper atmosphere--and this led to a rare magnetic crochet, measuring 17 nT at the magnetometer in Boulder, Colorado.

A magnetic crochet is a ripple in Earth's magnetic field caused by electrical currents flowing in air 60 km to 100 km above our heads. Unlike geomagnetic disturbances that arrive with CMEs days after a flare, a magnetic crochet occurs while the flare is in progress. They tend to occur during fast impulsive flares like this one.

The explosion also hurled a CME into space: movie. The bulk of the CME is sailing north of the sun-Earth line, but there appears to be a faint Earth-directed component that could deliver a glancing blow to our planet's magnetic field on April 1-2.

More flares are possible this weekend. NOAA forecasters estimate a 55% chance of M-class flares and a 20% chance of X-class flares on March 30th.

The X-flare did produce a small proton flux:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/Proton.gif

..and it seems to have convinced the electron flux to get back on track:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/Electron.gif

I recently mentioned we need to weave the Sun Energy, isn't Crochet a fancy weave?

dang rookies... ;)

Thanks - still no data on any CME from that, but the sunspot still seems active, and the one right next to it. The x-ray energy didn't have that much continued energy - (have you noticed a sunburn yet? :eyebrows: )

Post update - NOAA is reporting that if there is a CME that hits (they said there was a couple CME's that launched off this sunspot), they are expecting it in the 1st of April - 2nd of April window. At that point keep aware of any volcanic and seismic activity, watching the electron and proton graphs and solar wind speed and polarity..

Rocky_Shorz

30th March 2014, 17:27

Bob

30th March 2014, 18:39

I'm trying to understand how X-Ray energy can triggers these events... The event lasted for 2 hours, how does Xray energy cause a surge in electric currents in our atmosphere...

maybe if I could understand this, I would know why these events make me light headed to the point I need to hang on so I don't tip over, it's intense, and I don't know why it affects me so strongly when others around me don't notice it at all...

"Radiation from the flare caused a surge in the ionization of Earth's upper atmosphere--and this led to a rare magnetic crochet, measuring 17 nT at the magnetometer in Boulder, Colorado.

A magnetic crochet is a ripple in Earth's magnetic field caused by electrical currents flowing in air 60 km to 100 km above our heads. Unlike geomagnetic disturbances that arrive with CMEs days after a flare, a magnetic crochet occurs while the flare is in progress. They tend to occur during fast impulsive flares like this one.""

X-ray creates "ionization" like a type of electric glow. Like looking into a neon tube, when the gas is electrified it glows. I have some good reports on what low frequency electrical fields from the change in the ionosphere to earth "poles" (not as in north south poles, but the ionosphere being one pole, the surface of the other being the other) is associated with "stress", heart attacks, psychosis. A couple microvolts of change is apparently enough for the bio-nervous system to react. Everyone on the planet would have been reacting if the x-ray ionization effect was dramatic enough to have created widespread coverage. It didn't and people globally didn't freak out.

To melt plates, consider the amount of energy being radiated by yellowstone's magma dome, about 4 gigawatts daily and CONCENTRATED over a 40 by 40 mile region, and with that much radiation NOTHING happens in the way of magmatic to volcanic eruption..

So 4 million homes a day being run off that much power if it could be used.. The key word is concentrated.. Similar to how a laser when pin-pointed to one millimeter spot and coherent into a that very small spot can create a lot of heat. When something is distributed, widely, though nothing significant happens (that's the difference between point source effects and widely distributed exposure). The terminology watts per centimeter gets one an idea of distribution relationships..

Yellowstone's hot spot for instance is well covered and it is radiating sufficiently to prevent even a minor active volcano from appearing. Should such a volcano appear, no doubt it would act like Ecuador's Reventador to relieve any buildup. The tiltmeters, the uplift meters have been monitoring all this for years.

Rocky_Shorz

30th March 2014, 18:56

what I was shown through a dream is not how the sun heats the surface plates to cause slides, it is more like a charged plate like a Capacitor, lightening strikes up, our plates have an immense amount of energy and when it releases creates the movement.

http://iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov:8080/IswaSystemWebApp/iSWACygnetStreamer?timestamp=2038-01-23%2000:44:00&window=-1&cygnetId=40

Fairy Friend

30th March 2014, 21:34

I can so relate to you guys on this thread, this has been a hobby of mine for well over 30 years. I am so happy, you make me happy.

You have to look at this as not interfering with the system but fueling it. The plates move in all different directions. The mechanism is convection currents beneath into the liquid core more which makes some plates collide and others slide against each other and some pull away from each other. Dutchsinse is the one who clues into this and where the pressure is building or not.

Convection currents are swirls in fluid beneath the crust more into the liquid core. We have a hot spinning liquid core of Iron and Nickle, heavy conductive metals, if I remember right, etc. The mechanism has been in play on earth long before man and this connection to the sun maybe fueling it. These swirls are bringing hot liquid up in spots and drawing or pulling down in others. This force can submerge or raise entire continents or melt them. One of the extinction level events in the past may have been where 3 of these swirls where going upwards in one area and melted most of India. They are actually very stable and do NOT change a lot. Why Iceland and Hawaii persist and it can be where a super volcano is also like Iceland.

I think this just revs up and fuels this movement. A subtle change driving things into motion.

Just my 2 cents but I to have dreams, but unlike others, they just plain show me things. Not always symbolically, this case both. I dreamed of boats floating on the water bumping into each other. Another person, thinking this way too, used the metaphor of the shell broken on an egg and you push one part it affects the ajoining parts. One boat hit another, then another on the surface. But anchored by forces below too.

Your dream, Rocky_Shorz, reminded me of something I saw recently and I cannot place it. It was about the magnetic field carrying charge or ions maybe, through and around the earth and then discharging it from one side of the planet to the other. I think it is referenced under the earth having a shield here in the forum but I can't find the video I saw. The force drives the winds (as well as friction the old thinking which is not wrong but not complete) and maybe down the road makes hurricanes. Butterfly effect. I so think this matches your dream. Just a thought but can't seem to find it (video). These internal forces create the magnetic field (from hot, spinning, metal core) and maybe the connection here.

This sun connection is more new to me but clearly people are bravely putting their thoughts out there. And predicting quakes.

Delight

30th March 2014, 21:47

I was born in San Gabriel and have a connection energetically with California. In the last few days I have been sensing a huge tension building and keep imagining that there are pops of energy to release the build up manageably. I also imagine this popping everywhere else because IMO the earth MUST shift. It is just what is necessary for her body. it is not our fault or the sun's fault that the responses are real to one another.

The whole issue of earth changes is the artificial hold on people to stay put in a location where we own a piece of real estate. Fences and boundaries, hotels and houses, workplace and school "locations" make us "stay put". The whole problem is that we cannot predict anything in advance of long enough to move. And we have Power from stupid systems like nuclear.

IMO the last GREAT worldwide civilization was nomadic. I imagine soft flexible stuff that did not fall on people. I imagine them taking what was important with them, their skills, their navigating instruments, their lore and learning and because they were brilliant and close to the ground, they knew a little in advance to get out harm's way.

I wish the best to all in LA and the vicinity because it still feels very tense to me as I notice it.

Bob

30th March 2014, 21:57

When y'all get a chance, check out Mitch Battros - http://www.earthchangesmedia.com/secure/3247.326/article-9162531129.php there is a nice discussion (in simple terms) of New Force Driving Earth's Tectonic Plates

"By Earth Changes Media
Jul 7, 2011 - 11:04:23 AM"

"Using analytical methods to track plate motions through Earth's history, Cande and Stegman's research provides evidence that such mantle plume "hot spots," which can last for tens of millions of years and are active today at locations such as Hawaii, Iceland and the Galapagos, may work as an additional tectonic driver, along with push-pull forces."

Mitch has been pushing the Solar-Earth volcanic and seismic event "theory" for many years and has gotten some great support from scientists.

One can do a google on "Mitch Battros" + Heating Plates for instance and get some good links to his articles..

Rocky_Shorz

1st April 2014, 00:24

for those who are wondering why I posted the animation above, as a liquid magnetic core, the outer reach of it's magnetism is the shield from sun energy...

what happens when a massive CME energy wave impacts the shield?

the liquid center receives a jolt, that moves magma around and the ripple is felt to the surface as quakes...

this is different than a capacitor discharge type surface quake...

at first I thought Koch was chemtrailing the skies of California to protect the people from large quakes by absorbing and reflecting incoming energy, but then I realized this energy seems to release where fracking operations are located... by shielding the energy, it helps hide locations of the fracking operations...

of course the same people that say global warming isn't real will tell you fracking releases energy preventing big quakes...

Rocky_Shorz

8th May 2014, 06:57

LA just had another quake people felt it throughout the city, only a 3.3...

0km (0mi) WNW of Cudahy, California
1km (1mi) S of Bell, California
2km (1mi) ENE of South Gate, California
2km (1mi) S of Maywood, California

pyrangello

8th May 2014, 11:50

Pretty shallow rocky , didn't know that about the magma, thanks

Rocky_Shorz

21st May 2014, 03:27

Santa Cruz Bans Fracking

"Scenic coastal area becomes first county in California to do so as issue becomes a statewide concern
May 20, 2014 10:00PM ET

Santa Cruz on Tuesday became the first California county to ban fracking, the latest in a string of moves by local governments in the state to take a stand against the controversial oil and gas producing method.

Although San Cruz County does not have any oil or gas production, advocates said momentum for a ban took shape after reports surfaced saying that oil companies were exploring the possibly of fracking in neighboring San Benito county. Also, scenic Santa Cruz was the epicenter of the 6.9 magnitude Loma Prieta earthquake that killed more than 60 people in 1989.

Fracking has emerged as a top environmental issue in California. Its Monterey Shale formation contains an estimated 15 billion barrels of hard-to-reach oil, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Shale formations contain fine-grain sedimentary rock, which can be rich in oil and natural gas.

Fracking, or hydraulic fracturing, relies on injecting water, sand and some chemicals deep beneath the earth's surface to break up rock and free up oil and gas trapped below.

Environmentalists say the chemicals used in the process can pollute underground water supplies and cause other damage.

Advocates say the Santa Cruz County ban is intended to pressure California Governor Jerry Brown into agreeing to put a halt to the practice in the state, a step he refused to take in the last legislative session.

Brown has said he supports fracking because he believes it is better for the state to produce its own crude oil than rely on imports.

"While Governor Brown refuses to protect our health and environment from fracking risks, local communities across the state are moving forward with measures to fight oil industry pollution," said Rose Braz of the Center for Biological Diversity in San Francisco.

An oil industry representative on Tuesday played down the significance of the Santa Cruz vote, calling it "symbolic."

"Activists are going around the state pursuing total bans on oil and gas development under the guise of wanting to ban fracking, but in places where people earn their livings responsibly producing our oil and gas resources, this strategy won't work," said Dave Quast, California director of Energy In Depth, an oil industry-backed group.

The action in Santa Cruz follows a vote earlier this month by city leaders in Beverly Hills to ban fracking, making it the first municipality in the state to prohibit the practice.

Los Angeles and Culver City are considering bans on fracking as well. Nationwide, there is a growing list of towns, cities and counties that have either banned or placed moratoriums on fracking. Dallas has an ordinance that effectively bans fracking within city limits. Dozens of towns in New York, Colorado and other states where wells are becoming increasingly common have also come out against the practice."

Al Jazeera and Reuters

yes that's right, not even worth local news, I had to read it from the other side of the world...

link (http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/20/santa-cruz-bans-fracking.html)

Rocky_Shorz

3rd June 2014, 17:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Omha8C4WY

Colorado landslide located in Fracking operation

the comments coming at him through Koch and Halliburton shills are funny...

http://files.cdn.ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/fq.jpeg

Bob

3rd June 2014, 19:16

Rocky_Shorz: "Colorado landslide located in Fracking operation"

That is incorrect.

The COLORADO LANDSLIDE:

Has nothing to do with "Los Angeles Earthquake - 4.7 Mag",
(has) nothing to do with Frac'ing.

It seems to me, that equating Colorado's mud slide disaster with a "fraking campaign in California" or fraking protests in United Kingdom is non sequitur, and misleading.

As stated below:

http://www.geologyinmotion.com/2014/05/massive-mudslide-in-colorado-on-sunday.html

" HEAVY RAINS appear to have triggered a massive mudslide, this time in the Grand Mesa country of Colorado. The location is 11 miles southeast of Collbran, about 40 miles east of Grand Junction. The area is remote, cell coverage is sparce to nonexistent, and news is just starting to break of this event. More than 3/4" of rain hit the area on Sunday. "

" Geologist Jonathan White, with the Colorado Geological Survey, said that another slide seems inevitable because of the buildup of water in a depression created by the big slide. The depression that he's referring to may be at the top of the slide in the lower photo. Water has been flowing into the depression already, but White says that it's impossible to tell when the next slide could occur--perhaps even years from now when people have forgotten the danger. The terrain is too unstable for any work to drain the water, and Jonathan Godt, a geologist with the USGS says that "practical engineering measures for things of this size are pretty limited. "

Rocky_Shorz

4th June 2014, 20:39

Bob

6th June 2014, 01:21

that's the official report

until you see the 2000 fracking wells around the mountain...

Fracking is completely safe, UK is about to shred their country and destroy its water, look at the ones who did the safety study...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpG70cUIMAAkm-K.jpg

no conflict here...

and yes Bob, the 4.7 Mag Quake in LA along with the 300 plus aftershocks were located at the location of 5 live Fracking operations, located on one of the worst fault lines you could ask for to drop bombs down a hole to break up the earth below...

There IS NO OIL in that part of Colorado, up in the mountains where the landslide occurred. The area was soaked with water from rains, an unstable muddy slope.

Ever see a California mudslide where a hillside disappears down a ravine?

http://www.bepreparedcalifornia.ca.gov/BEINFORMED/NATURALDISASTERS/Pages/LandslidesandMudslides.aspx - here is a primer to understand how mud, soil and water on an unstable surface can create a slide. It's a good read for a non-geologist.

http://www.geotimes.org/nov05/featureLaConch.jpg

(If you have found oil there up that high on the mountain side, please lemme know, its worth gillions.. I'm sure lots of landowners would be delighted.)

FYI - the use of a MAP (in your post #42 above) showing OIL/GAS wells from front-range WELD COUNTY, is no where near where the mudslide occurred up in the mountains.

Providing such a weld county reference map is using data having nothing to do with a mudslide up in the mountains. Such is misleading. http://files.cdn.ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/fq.jpeg << is the map that you used to point out the mudslide..

http://chanlo.com/images/slide-1.jpg

the above shows the location of the slide and where weld county front range is - quite a large difference in location.. not "around the mountain" 285 miles AWAY

http://chanlo.com/images/rocky-post.jpg

Rocky_Shorz

6th June 2014, 03:15

"for all of you oil and gas shills out there..."

watch the Video starting at 2 minutes if you haven't made it that far...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Omha8C4WY

after watching the video now you have seen this slide was between 2 fracking wells, by the end of the video it shows where the carbonated CO2 sand flowed up to Gas Tanks for the operation. This is the Collbran Gas System...

the ones who mind are being affected by Fracking daily, they live with it, what could have been done clean, has been shorted out of greed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH1W9HXne7I

I'm bringing this across from the Bundy thread showing there is a solution... bombing fault lines, I have no answer to except stop...

now, the question is why, yes I love my oil and gas cheap like the next guy, but Texas is on it's way to being a Toxic Waste Dump...

These systems need to be brought in now, as you produce water turn the fields green, and blast clean water into previous injection holes to pull it out for refining.

Come on Perry, you want important high paying jobs in Texas, force frackers to go clean...

http://www.altelainc.com/images/uploads/Greg_with_PW_008.jpg
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Treated produced water from our system, with an EPA-based permit from the State of Colorado, was clean enough to discharge into the most pristine stretch of the Colorado River.

Particularly in the Marcellus Shale, through a project with the U.S. DOE's NETL (National Energy Technology Laboratory), Altela's system was proven to treat frac water to well below safe limits, and even below legal reporting limits, suitable for beneficial re‐use by well operators for additional stimulations and also suitable to be discharged to surface waterways.
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hey Koch,

you can offer a buy back for the filters and refine the sludge, isn't this the start of a Chemtrail cocktail? "barium, strontium, and radium/radon constituents"

add that to what you make on your patent fee for the Fracking Technologies. Winner Winner...

because we'd hate for everyone to realize someone with your money is behind all of these sites getting richer by the day...

someone who could get sued...

yep, you better straighten up your sites before I start tweeting lawyers...

thunder24

6th June 2014, 03:51

http://maps.fractracker.org/latest/?appid=3871156863a54ff2ac98b10235dfff57

how close is grand junction to orange indicated in this map.... can a geology expert entertain my question?

...the oil and gas pits are how close to grandjunction... pits indicated by green?

and the landslide was an hour east of grand junction?... hour far as the crow flys?

Rocky_Shorz

6th June 2014, 03:58

looks like they start 5-10 miles from Grand Junction

the oil Spills in Yellow are 50-60 miles away

thunder24

6th June 2014, 05:34

Rocky_Shorz

6th June 2014, 05:56

this is the images of the fracking operation at the Fracking Sand flow

http://i0.wp.com/dutchsinse.tatoott1009.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/colorado-frack-slide-may-26-2014.jpg?w=474

Rocky_Shorz

8th June 2014, 19:44

http://managed-futures-blog.attaincapital.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Sand-Portrait.bmp

"Yes, that is in fact 8 Million pounds of rock, sand, and soil to create the largest land art portrait, in Belfast, Ireland. We can’t tell if it’s a work of art or a little bit creepy (like it’s looking into your soul), we’ll let you decide. Besides this work of art there has to be another use for 8 million pounds of sand, right? If fact, that’s the exact amount of sand needed in order to frack one well, 8 Million pounds. Huh… using a commodity to mine other commodities… Who knew the futures markets could be so meta.

We’re not one to get in a political battle weighing the economic benefits and environmental drawbacks, but with more and more states legalizing Fracking (Illinois, California), us managed futures folk are asking ourselves what does the sand market look like? Not so bad, says the Wall Street Journal, explaining the use of sand is up 25% since 2011.

“Energy companies are expected to use 56.3 billion pounds of sand this year, blasting it down oil and natural gas wells to help crack rocks and allow fuel to flow out.

“During the first nine months of this year, the more than $245 million in sand sold to energy companies accounted for 62% of U.S. Silica’s sales, up from 53% during the same period in 2012 and 33% during the first nine months of 2011.”

U.S. Silica used to use majority of their sand to make glassware, and the screens for iPhones and iPads. Now more than half of Silica’s sand goes towards fracking, and with the United States having the resources to frack, it doesn’t seem like things are slowing down."

http://managed-futures-blog.attaincapital.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/US-Fracking-Map.png

" “In Wisconsin, the source of white sand perfectly suited for hydraulic fracturing, state officials now estimate more than 100 sand mines, loading, and processing facilities have received permits, up from just five sand mines and five processing plants operating in 2010.

Canadian National Railway Co. is spending $68 million over three years to upgrade and restore more than 100 miles of track in Wisconsin so it can boost sand shipments out of state.”

Again, us managed futures folk are asking ourselves with this kind of production, and an increase on the horizon, why not have a futures market for sand?

Think about it… in order to Frack one well, successfully, it requires 4 million pounds…. But some companies have started doubling the amount of sand used (8 Million), to potentially add around $600,000 in value from each frack. Last year, the price range of sand was in between $50 and $75 per metric ton. Say each company uses 8 million pounds of sand, convert that to metric tons (8,000,000 * .004535 = 3,628), multiply that by spot price (3,628 * $75= 272,100) per Frack. What do you think CME, ICE, or anyone? One sand futures contract could be equivalent of 8,000 lbs. of sand?

You’re probably thinking, what happens if Fracking eventually dies, because water from people’s kitchen sinks light on fire, or the increase in earthquakes could prove to be more hazardous than the benefits of cheaper energy commodities.

We think Sand being used to make cell phone screens along with pretty much all glass in the world today, might offer some bit of security for the demand in the market.

P.S. – for more on fracking impact on the Nat Gas futures market, see this chart, from a Wall Street Journal article here. (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303559504579199781135303794)

one thing I disagree with...

"the benefits of cheaper energy commodities."

gas is as expensive as it's ever been, Fracking California has done nothing to bring it down. It's all about greed holding the prices up.

Time for all states to immediately put regulations on Fricken Frackers...

I saw the list of 2000 chemicals used in fracking earlier today...

what could be the use of formaldehyde and arsenic other than putting dangerous toxins into water supplies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=timfvNgr_Q4

Simple breakdown on what is involved with Fracking (http://www.dangersoffracking.com/)

Rocky_Shorz

8th June 2014, 20:27

Main stream media showing this location in their videos, clearly the landslide location contains the only fracking / injection well operation for several miles in any direction:

39°15’50.15″N , 107°53’47.92″W
http://dutchsinse.tatoott1009.com/5272014-4-mile-long-landslide-at-colorado-fracking-operation/

dude...... is this true? cause they b saying these disposal wells be screwing shiit up....

take a look for yourself

"Toxic chemicals are used at every stage of development to reach and release the gas. Drilling muds, a combination of toxic and non-toxic substances, are used to drill the well. To facilitate the release of natural gas after drilling, approximately a million or more gallons of fluids, loaded with toxic chemicals, are injected underground under high pressure. This process, called fracturing (frac’ing or stimulation), uses diesel-powered heavy equipment that runs continuously during the operation. One well can be frac’ed 10 or more times and there can be up to 28 wells on one well pad. An estimated 30% to 70% of the frac’ing fluid will resurface, bringing back with it toxic substances that are naturally present in underground oil and gas deposits, as well as the chemicals used in the frac’ing fluid. Under some circumstances, nothing is recovered.

Drilling or reserve pits are found on most well pads. They hold used drilling muds, frac’ing fluids and the contaminated water (produced water) which surfaces with the gas. Produced water is found in most regions where gas is extracted and continues to surface for the life of the well (20 to 30 years). It is a common practice to haul it in “water trucks” to large, central evaporation pits. Many of the chemicals found in drilling and evaporation pits are considered hazardous wastes by the Superfund Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act (CERCLA). Upon closure, every pit has the potential to become a superfund site.

Potable and arable water resources in the West are already marginal and especially vulnerable to contamination. Mountain watersheds that provide drinking and irrigation water for vast numbers of people downstream are at risk of contamination as a result of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) leasing of hundreds of thousands of acres of underground mineral and gas resources to energy developers. Just as there is no accounting for what happens to the millions of gallons of fluids used to drill and fracture each well, there is no accounting for the source of the water being taken to complete these processes, how much of the fluid is water, and where and in what condition it is returned to the watershed.

In addition to the land and water contamination issues, at each stage of production and delivery, tons of toxic volatile compounds, including benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, xylene, etc., and fugitive natural gas (methane), escape and mix with nitrogen oxides from the exhaust of diesel-driven, mobile and stationary equipment to produce ground-level ozone. Ozone combined with particulate matter less than 2.5 microns produces smog (haze). Gas field produced ozone has created a serious air pollution problem similar to that found in large urban areas, and can spread up to 200 miles beyond the immediate region where gas is being produced. Ozone not only causes irreversible damage to the lungs, it is equally damaging to conifers, aspen, forage, alfalfa, and other crops commonly grown in the West. Adding to this is the dust created by fleets of diesel-driven water trucks working around the clock hauling the constantly accumulating condensate water from well pads to central evaporation pits.

All meaningful environmental oversight and regulation of the natural gas production was removed by the executive branch and Congress in the 2005 Federal Energy Appropriations Bill. Without restraints from the Clean Water Act, Safe Drinking Water Act, Clean Air Act, and CERCLA, the gas industry is steamrolling over vast land segments in the West. Exploitation is so rapid that in less than 6 months in one county, 10 new well pads were built on the banks of the Colorado River, the source of agricultural and drinking water for 25 million people downstream. Spacing has dropped from one well pad per 240 acres to one per 10 acres. From the air it appears as a spreading, cancer-like network of dirt roads over vast acreage, contributing to desertification." link (http://endocrinedisruption.org/chemicals-in-natural-gas-operations/introduction)

http://www.hcn.org/issues/43.3/unpacking-health-hazards-in-frackings-chemical-cocktail/graphic

the Fracking Chemical cocktail...

Chemical Name CAS Chemical Purpose Product Function
Hydrochloric Acid 007647-01-0 Helps dissolve minerals and initiate cracks in the rock Acid

Glutaraldehyde 000111-30-8 Eliminates bacteria in the water that produces corrosive by-products Biocide
Quaternary Ammonium Chloride 012125-02-9 Eliminates bacteria in the water that produces corrosive by-products Biocide
Quaternary Ammonium Chloride 061789-71-1 Eliminates bacteria in the water that produces corrosive by-products Biocide
Tetrakis Hydroxymethyl-Phosphonium Sulfate 055566-30-8 Eliminates bacteria in the water that produces corrosive by-products Biocide

Ammonium Persulfate 007727-54-0 Allows a delayed break down of the gel Breaker
Sodium Chloride 007647-14-5 Product Stabilizer Breaker
Magnesium Peroxide 014452-57-4 Allows a delayed break down the gel Breaker
Magnesium Oxide 001309-48-4 Allows a delayed break down the gel Breaker
Calcium Chloride 010043-52-4 Product Stabilizer Breaker

Choline Chloride 000067-48-1 Prevents clays from swelling or shifting Clay Stabilizer
Tetramethyl ammonium chloride 000075-57-0 Prevents clays from swelling or shifting Clay Stabilizer
Sodium Chloride 007647-14-5 Prevents clays from swelling or shifting Clay Stabilizer

Isopropanol 000067-63-0 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent Corrosion Inhibitor
Methanol 000067-56-1 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent Corrosion Inhibitor
Formic Acid 000064-18-6 Prevents the corrosion of the pipe Corrosion Inhibitor
Acetaldehyde 000075-07-0 Prevents the corrosion of the pipe Corrosion Inhibitor

Petroleum Distillate 064741-85-1 Carrier fluid for borate or zirconate crosslinker Crosslinker
Hydrotreated Light Petroleum Distillate 064742-47-8 Carrier fluid for borate or zirconate crosslinker Crosslinker
Potassium Metaborate 013709-94-9 Maintains fluid viscosity as temperature increases Crosslinker
Triethanolamine Zirconate 101033-44-7 Maintains fluid viscosity as temperature increases Crosslinker
Sodium Tetraborate 001303-96-4 Maintains fluid viscosity as temperature increases Crosslinker
Boric Acid 001333-73-9 Maintains fluid viscosity as temperature increases Crosslinker
Zirconium Complex 113184-20-6 Maintains fluid viscosity as temperature increases Crosslinker
Borate Salts N/A Maintains fluid viscosity as temperature increases Crosslinker
Ethylene Glycol 000107-21-1 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Crosslinker
Methanol 000067-56-1 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Crosslinker

Polyacrylamide 009003-05-8 “Slicks” the water to minimize friction Friction Reducer
Petroleum Distillate 064741-85-1 Carrier fluid for polyacrylamide friction reducer Friction Reducer
Hydrotreated Light Petroleum Distillate 064742-47-8 Carrier fluid for polyacrylamide friction reducer Friction Reducer
Methanol 000067-56-1 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Friction Reducer
Ethylene Glycol 000107-21-1 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Friction Reducer

Guar Gum 009000-30-0 Thickens the water in order to suspend the sand Gelling Agent
Petroleum Distillate 064741-85-1 Carrier fluid for guar gum in liquid gels Gelling Agent
Hydrotreated Light Petroleum Distillate 064742-47-8 Carrier fluid for guar gum in liquid gels Gelling Agent
Methanol 000067-56-1 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Gelling Agent
Polysaccharide Blend 068130-15-4 Thickens the water in order to suspend the sand Gelling Agent
Ethylene Glycol 000107-21-1 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Gelling Agent

Citric Acid 000077-92-9 Prevents precipitation of metal oxides Iron Control
Acetic Acid 000064-19-7 Prevents precipitation of metal oxides Iron Control
Thioglycolic Acid 000068-11-1 Prevents precipitation of metal oxides Iron Control
Sodium Erythorbate 006381-77-7 Prevents precipitation of metal oxides Iron Control

Lauryl Sulfate 000151-21-3 Used to prevent the formation of emulsions in the fracture fluid Non-Emulsifier
Isopropanol 000067-63-0 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Non-Emulsifier
Ethylene Glycol 000107-21-1 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Non-Emulsifier

Sodium Hydroxide 001310-73-2 Adjusts the pH of fluid to maintains the effectiveness of other components, such as crosslinkers pH Adjusting Agent
Potassium Hydroxide 001310-58-3 Adjusts the pH of fluid to maintains the effectiveness of other components, such as crosslinkers pH Adjusting Agent
Acetic Acid 000064-19-7 Adjusts the pH of fluid to maintains the effectiveness of other components, such as crosslinkers pH Adjusting Agent
Sodium Carbonate 000497-19-8 Adjusts the pH of fluid to maintains the effectiveness of other components, such as crosslinkers pH Adjusting Agent
Potassium Carbonate 000584-08-7 Adjusts the pH of fluid to maintains the effectiveness of other components, such as crosslinkers pH Adjusting Agent

Copolymer of Acrylamide and Sodium Acrylate 025987-30-8 Prevents scale deposits in the pipe Scale Inhibitor
Sodium Polycarboxylate N/A Prevents scale deposits in the pipe Scale Inhibitor
Phosphonic Acid Salt N/A Prevents scale deposits in the pipe Scale Inhibitor

Lauryl Sulfate 000151-21-3 Used to increase the viscosity of the fracture fluid Surfactant
Ethanol 000064-17-5 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Surfactant
Naphthalene 000091-20-3 Carrier fluid for the active surfactant ingredients Surfactant
Methanol 000067-56-1 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Surfactant
Isopropyl Alcohol 000067-63-0 Product stabilizer and / or winterizing agent. Surfactant
2-Butoxyethanol 000111-76-2 Product stabilizer Surfactant

One of the problems associated with identifying chemicals is that some chemicals have multiple names. For example Ethylene Glycol (Antifreeze) is also known by the names Ethylene alcohol; Glycol; Glycol alcohol; Lutrol 9; Macrogol 400 BPC; Monoethylene glycol; Ramp; Tescol; 1,2-Dihydroxyethane; 2-Hydroxyethanol; HOCH2CH2OH; Dihydroxyethane; Ethanediol; Ethylene gycol; Glygen; Athylenglykol; Ethane-1,2-diol; Fridex; M.e.g.; 1,2-Ethandiol; Ucar 17; Dowtherm SR 1; Norkool; Zerex; Aliphatic diol; Ilexan E; Ethane-1,2-diol 1,2-Ethanedio.

This multiplicity of names can make a search for chemicals somewhat difficult and frustrating. However, if you search for a chemical by the CAS number it will return the correct chemical even if the name on the fracturing record does not match. For example if the fracturing record listed the chemical Hydrogen chloride and you searched for it by name using a chemical search site you may not get a result. But if you search for CAS # 007647-01-0 it might return Hydrochloric acid which is another name of Hydrogen chloride. Therefore, by using the CAS number you can avoid the issue of multiple names for the same chemical.

Multiple names for the same chemical can also leave you with the impression that there are more chemicals than actually exist. If you search the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) ‡ website the alternate names of chemicals are listed. This may help you identify the precise chemical you are looking for. The NIST site also contains the CAS numbers for chemicals. NIST is only one of many websites you can use to locate additional information about chemicals. You can also search the following websites using the chemical name or CAS number:

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I'm sharing this so North Carolina Police and Firemen can point here and say it is already public knowledge... the site I found it on didn't come up in a google search...

so share it wherever it's needed...

Rocky_Shorz

21st June 2014, 23:40

178 barrels of oil spill into Colorado’s only designated wild and scenic river

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"A 7,500-gallon storage tank of crude oil has completely drained into the scenic Cache La Poudre, Colorado's only designated National Wild and Scenic River, southeast of Fort Collins.

Vegetation was covered by an oil slick a quarter-mile downstream, but authorities claim “no drinking water intakes have been affected.”

The environmental disaster occurred at Noble Energy facility near Windsor in northern Colorado, in imminent proximity to the popular Poudre River Trail, the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (COGCC) reported late Friday afternoon.

Spring floods caved in the riverbank with a sat storage tank containing 178 barrels (roughly 7,500 gallons or over 28 tons) of crude oil. As a result the tank dropped from its foundation and broke a discharge valve, so all of the oil inside just flowed out right into the river, polluting the water and vegetation several hundred meters downstream...

A statement issued by the Colorado Department of Natural Resources maintained that no drinking water intakes have been affected by the spill, said Todd Hartman, a representative of the Colorado Department of Natural Resources.

“The release is not ongoing,” he said, adding that the well near the tank has been shut in.

A similar tank next to the damaged one remained intact.

The operator of the oil storage facility reported the incident to Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission and State Department of Public Health and Environment.

A combined response team from these organizations and Noble Energy have been deployed to the area.

The clean-up crew deployed skimming absorbent material everywhere oil could be seen and used a vacuum truck to remove oil-contaminated water from the low area around the tank. " link (http://rt.com/usa/167460-colorado-river-oil-spill/)